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Shuckle (Ft. Aaron Margolin)
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We know you Shuckle-heads have been sitting home fermenting patiently for this episode! Aaron Margolin (Pokémon Master & Worlds Biggest Shuckle Fan) returns to give his expertise on 'The Mold Pokemon'. Your juicer at home may be called a "Ninja" but this juice brewing Pokémon has all the makings of an even deadlier warrior!
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Transcript
Introduction & Guest Spotlight
00:00:20
Speaker
Welcome to the Daycare Diddos, where once again we are asking you to please, please
00:00:30
Speaker
Don't trifle with shotgun. With us, as always, in random order is, I'm Peter, and with us is Sarah. Hello. Steven. Give me that sweet, sweet juice. Dave. My ability is gluttony. And returning guest, Aaron.
00:00:59
Speaker
Hello, hello, hello, hello.
Shuckle Fandom: Aaron's Journey
00:01:01
Speaker
Now, since we've already gone into, way back in our Magmar episode, your history with Pokemon, I don't think we're going to go over that again unless you have any addendums. But our question for you today is,
00:01:23
Speaker
What's Shuckle mean to you? Why Shuckle? I've been told that you are the number one Shuckle fan of the world. Ever? I think it's ever forever. For a little bit of back work, we originally heard you on the Adventures in Collecting podcast with our good buddies, Eric and Dave. Yeah. And you spoke at length about the greatness
00:01:51
Speaker
of this tiny rock worm. And since then we said like, well, we gotta get you on. And this has all been building up to this episode, everything. I feel like Daycare Dittos exists so that we can get to this exact episode. Have really the, I was gonna say like, I'm trying to think of a science guy to put here where it's like the leading Sir Isaac Newton of Shuckle. I would, yeah.
00:02:20
Speaker
I would say I'm the Bill Nye, the science guy of Shuckle. Whatever that could mean, 100%. Yeah, I have had a long love of Shuckle. Shuckle is, it's very interesting because last time I was on, and I think I did admit to saying like, oh, you know, Magmar for a long time was my favorite and now it is Shuckle.
The Unique Appeal of Shuckle
00:02:45
Speaker
It is still Shuckle, so that has not changed since the last time I was on the podcast.
00:02:49
Speaker
Um, but I, I, I don't particularly like orange and red, but for some reason, like those two guys got me, got me down. Uh, uh, I, I love, I really do love Shuckle. Uh, and I think what Shuckle means to me, I really do think it is the perfect, um, it's, it's the perfect type of Pokemon for someone who enjoys Pokemon like me. Uh,
00:03:13
Speaker
There is the cute cool factor for most Pokemon, right? Like they tend to fall leaning one way or another. Definitely more on the cute side. It is not akin to Charizard or akin to Lucario or anything like that. But something that is so remarkable about it in addition to its brilliant
00:03:32
Speaker
uh color choice Berlin character designed by um I think it's I think it's Morimoto I think Shigeki Morimoto that that designed Shuckle he did yeah uh and he's like just an absolute all-timer uh also has done like he did Taurus he did Mew so he knows how to do the the cute and and the cool but Shuckle despite being so cute
00:03:51
Speaker
is a powerhouse. And I'm sure that was a million notes from this because one of the demonstrable things is that incredible defense and special defense stat. So in addition to being cute, there's a way to have Shuckle be unbelievably powerful. And something about that, you could never tell that a character designed like this is you're able to do an incredible output of damage in the games.
00:04:19
Speaker
I love that. I find that gimmick hilarious. And yeah, he's just a cute little worm guy. I was today years old when I learned that Shuckle was a powerhouse. Oh yeah. Me too. I had no idea. I was always like, oh yeah, people always boost up Shuckle, but it's because he's just a little guy. And then I'm like, oh wait, this guy can fight. No, he's got a crazy stat spread.
00:04:44
Speaker
Yeah, and it wasn't until I really took a deep dive into Shuckle because I've looked at its Pokedex entries and I'm like, man, this Pokemon is pretty useless. And then I was like researching some more and more and more. And I noticed some of the things that people can do with Shuckle and I was like, oh, OK, hold on a second. Who are you? And it all fits into a perfect little package. Like you're saying Morimoto just didn't miss when it comes to the these like
00:05:14
Speaker
Well, we were going to make like our own tier list. We were trying to figure out like like a Pokemon. We've been talking about the little stinkers. Oh, yeah. There's little stinkers. There's little fellas. I think Shuckle fits as like a little fella. I would agree. Yeah. But like Morimoto, Diglett, Manky, Tauros, Mew, Shuckle and Pyloswine. Like if that was on my LinkedIn, like
00:05:43
Speaker
You get hired forever. That's a, that's a great resume right there for create Pokemon. I have, I have, it's the one, it's the one folder I have in Pokemon Go. I don't know when I made it. Um, it's called, uh, absolute or the absolute freaks. Uh, and, and it is, it is three, uh, very random selected. Cause I've, I mean, I've been playing ghost since, since launch for some reason it is, it is, um,
00:06:13
Speaker
A magmar, classic of course. A licky licky, which I think is just, it was just a lick of tongue. Dunsparce, loved the Dunsparce episode by the way. That's a top 10 for me, love that little freak. And then my best friend partner in Go, a shiny shuckle named Sweet Boy.
Creative Shuckle Concepts
00:06:35
Speaker
But yeah, little stinker, absolute freak, absolute freak in a positive tone. I love that absolute freak.
00:06:42
Speaker
I think yeah, because we're trying to figure out like, you know, people will go on like stream and do a tier list. We did one live for the starters, but we're like, we need to go through and make like a stinker fella absolute freak is I'm writing what it what's the exact
00:07:00
Speaker
It was absolute freaks. Absolute freaks. All right, putting that in quotes. We're going to need to put that in there. Look at this absolute freak. And like positive. Yes. Like in parentheses, compliment. So we also have to have a tear that's an absolute freak, but negative. Derogatory. Yeah, right. Oh, man.
00:07:25
Speaker
like a stinker and a stanker. You want to be a little stinker. But then when somebody's got a little, you got a little stank on it, it's like a whole different kind of thing. Like a like a little stanker drives like a Chevelle. Which Pokemon drives a Chevelle? Oh, man. It's got to be like Sock. Yeah. And Thoreau drives like a Ford
00:07:49
Speaker
like definitely a pickup truck of some sort. Yeah, for sure. Do they make Pokemon guess who?
00:07:58
Speaker
I mean, you could just as easily just make it yourself. I think that would be the best game to play with this group.
Pokémon Day Announcements
00:08:05
Speaker
I feel like there's a lot of Pokemon where, like, if you ask one specific question, it kind of... Yeah. I mean, like, I guess if they restrain it where it's like, does, you know, does your Pokemon have a horn? Oh, there's lots of Pokemon that have a horn. It's like, what coloration? But it's like, is your Pokemon a dragon type? And then you just see, like,
00:08:25
Speaker
It's dragonite. Ah, you got it. Yeah. Is your Pokemon in the top 1% of? That's right. Hmm. That's yeah. And plus, there's only so many options. I learned recently that I did I watched like a statistics video on guess who? Because I don't know. That's that's just what I do in my. Yeah. And that's really fun. It. Well, the thing is, like there are
00:08:54
Speaker
three, they basically pick like hair color. There are like three of each with the hair color. They try to make it even. But they also did things where they were like, Yeah, but the time it was made, there's only like four women. There's only like you could really pick it out and kind of sparse between but you should be able to guess every four turns you if you use like the proper tactics. Yeah, but Pokemon, I think if you're doing Pokemon, guess who? You can't just have like a board of like
00:09:22
Speaker
30. Like you need to go all out and do like a board that can fit a whole generation. Yeah. Yeah, that's a math problem. That's exponential. Yeah. Is it a legendary? Yes. Click, click, click, click. Did you ever have to say whether or not your videos are justifiable? Because when I was sick, I watched
00:09:43
Speaker
Probably four hours on polka blocks puffin puffins and polka beans All those mechanics and I was just enjoying myself so well, I mean lotta I was gonna bring this up to We're recording this on our usual launch day, but yesterday was Pokemon day Yeah, and we got a bunch of announcements which are fun and exciting
00:10:12
Speaker
Um, but I'm very excited, uh, because of a new legends, uh, game. So we were going to see Pokemon Lumiose. Um, and it's, what is it? Uh, ZA. Yeah, for Zygarde. And I don't know what the A stands for.
00:10:32
Speaker
Maybe just Arceus again. Maybe. But I'm excited because this was X and Y was the first game Pokemon game I played. So yeah, this is going to be fun for me. Famously. Yes. And then they're back. People. Yes. People lost their mind because all they showed at the end was the little mega. I guess it's not like a logo. It's technically the megastone. The stone. Yeah. So.
00:10:59
Speaker
I wanted to put this out there because I think it's too early. We haven't even gotten into the real meat and potatoes of Shuckle. But I have a question that I want everybody to answer at the end. But first, Aaron, I wrote this down just for you. Oh, please. Because it has been so long since we've had a single Pokemon episode. So this is something for everyone to think on. And it's Shuckle. Evolution?
00:11:29
Speaker
regional form or mega-evolution.
00:11:33
Speaker
or nothing, is that also an answer? I guess we're nothing. You don't want to taint the water. But it's just like, if you could pick any one of those, we'll discuss and go through the stuff and we can circle back. Now, is it more of what we would like to see or what we think we will see? I think what we would like to see. What you think is the best fit? Because I have my answer already. Because famously, we were talking about a grass type
00:12:01
Speaker
Voltorb and literally they announced it the next the day the episode came out at 7 a.m They announced it at like noon in the Pokemon direct. So we were like, wow, maybe maybe we're on the same I don't think we could strike lightning twice like that But we gotta we gotta call our shots and get as many of them on the board as possible
00:12:21
Speaker
But to be fair, I don't think we're getting this in a new game. It's just that mega evolution is back, and I don't know if they're like, shuckled. So just this is not about what we expect. This is more about what you would like, what you'd like to see. So. Yeah. So. Go ahead. It's mega regional. An evolution or a regional form?
00:12:48
Speaker
Uh, someone can. You can also do. You could also do regional forms that have their own separate evolution. Yeah. Like a sneeze situation. Yeah. Um, uh. Like a, like a diglet, wiggle it. A uh. Yeah. What are those called? Um. Yeah. There's a name for that. Psych-outs. Yes. Divergent. Divergent. Yes. Evolution. Yeah. Um, uh, if I recall correctly and please correct me.
00:13:17
Speaker
I don't, I think Shuckle, Shuckle is in X and Y. I don't think it is in, I can't remember how they rationalize the national Pokedex in X and Y for a life of me. I don't know if it's that there is, cause you know how sometimes it's like, and now Pokemon like in Black and White was like, wow, Pokemon that aren't native to, you know, are showing up. I don't know if they did that for Callus. I know it's in the game. I can't remember if it's in actually the Pokedex. The reason why I say that is,
00:13:46
Speaker
Uh, if they go and if they go the route of legends, right, then it's a very slim chance, uh, or legends, uh, Arceus, then it's a, it's a very slim chance because of, um, uh, they tend to be like, Oh, only like the native Pokemon show up right in the game. Let's just say it is, I think, I think the most likely what I would want is a mega because
00:14:09
Speaker
Really, I actually really wanted Shuckle to get a Gigantamax form back in Sword and Shield, because I think that a Gigantic Shuckle where, let's be very fair here, the shell gets larger and gets more holes, but I think the little guy stays the same, and it becomes an insane defense powerhouse.
00:14:34
Speaker
where it's like, you got to walk into the cave to find the Shuckle inside and it's just like the defense stat is outrageous. Frankly, actually, that could just be a mega because the megas actually aren't a flat stat increase, right? So it's like, what if we just took Shuckle's defensive stat and made it even more terrifyingly large? I just have the mega shaker on.
00:15:01
Speaker
Yeah, I have this vision of like a giant mountain and you look up and you just see the shadow of like a tiny little head reach over just peeking. The only thing about mega evolutions that we learned is most of them are in excruciating pain.
00:15:15
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, a lot of them don't canonically like it. If it was an Aerodactyl that were the Pokedex entries that doesn't enjoy it or something like that. Yeah. And then Slowbro is slowly being digested. Yes. Yeah, I think almost all of them are. Like Cesar is its internal temperature. It gets too hot and it will burn up if it stays as a Mega.
00:15:43
Speaker
Yeah, some of them were melting, I think. I forget. Like, yeah, it gets to the point where they're like, you know, critical mass. Yeah, they're basically final. Mega Pinsir was the only one who was happy. Who? Mega Pinsir was happy. Mega Pinsir. You couldn't you couldn't tell if you looked at it. Yeah. But yeah, limit. We haven't gotten 100 percent. Yeah, it's like. Yeah. So so I will stand by.
00:16:08
Speaker
I will stand by mega because that is what I would truly deeply love. I don't know the chances of it, but I stand by it. I guess, I would like a regional form. Yeah, I was going to say regional for X and Y that makes a delicious blue cheese with the mold. Oh, that would be so good. Yeah.
00:16:34
Speaker
See, I was thinking a regional for Sun and Moon, where it would be like one of those crater or like the deep sea volcano snails and stuff. Yeah, it'll be like a rock dark or a rock fire type or something. And it would, I don't know, just be. Yeah, mine's a rock cheese type. Originally, I was thinking a regional form, but like, you know, when like hermit crabs find their way into like
00:17:04
Speaker
like soda cans or whatever. Yeah. And I was like, that's too depressing that it like, like a shuckle that lives in trash. Oh, yeah, it's like a curcilla to like me. Yeah, kind of make like a poison for him. But then when you were talking about the underwater, what if it was like from a comet or space rock and you learn that shuckle is from the stars?
00:17:24
Speaker
Ooh, like a fairy type or something. Yeah. And yeah, some sort of space chuckle. And if you want to make it cute, it's just like a space rock and maybe give him a little bubble on his head. That looks like a make him great. Yeah. You look like a little alien great inside of a meteor. That would be great. Oh, that I love that. I'd name him Mulder because he is the mold type. So it's perfect.
00:17:53
Speaker
And if any of that comes true, I'm absolutely going to start playing the lottery. Yeah, cash in. You got your shuckle wish. Yeah. I would like to see an evolution only because all of the Pokedex entries talk about how the inside of its shell is just fermented gooey liquid. And after a while, that's got to turn into something fierce. I just need to know what that turns into.
00:18:21
Speaker
like the elevator door scene in The Shining. Something, I don't know. I don't know if it's like a very delectable like beer or something or- It evolves into drunkle.
Humorous Shuckle Evolution Ideas
00:18:33
Speaker
You're drunk uncle, Pokemon. Yeah, something, I just need to know what that fermented goo turns into.
00:18:42
Speaker
What if they flat power trick it, though? I mean, like, what if what if with that, that it's like it becomes kind of an artillery situation where it's like, yeah, its defense is super low, but its special attack is crazy because it just fires out this fermented liquid. Yeah, it's targets.
00:18:59
Speaker
Or the fermentation is so strong in there. It's a poison type. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's perfect. And it's like a like a dragapult where it fires the shuckle worm out of the holes. I feel like I feel like also the whole fermentation aspect of Fido and Dashbun like wasn't properly
00:19:24
Speaker
It's a lot of people don't know that that's like its deal is that it's breath ferments things. And we need another fermenting Pokemon. I double down on the fermentation thing. Yeah, definitely. Shuckle's evolution could be a kombucha Pokemon. Oh, perfect. Or it's like one of those very fancy tequilas that has a worm in it. Yeah. Yeah. That's all in.
00:19:52
Speaker
the uh beta pokemon notes actually about that but but actually we we skipped something we have added a new segment to the show since we left the 151 erin uh because we do have listeners uh that were too cool for pokemon after the first 151 and may not remember some jodo pokemon so we we uh for all the people who may not know jodo we play a
Shuckle's Appearance & Biology
00:20:18
Speaker
what does that Pikachu look like? Where? Because to them it's all a Pikachu. So we describe, we go around and describe to the people who may not know what this little guy looks like, what it looks like. And do you want to do the honors of describing what this Pikachu looks like? This Pikachu, let's see. So this, this Pikachu is, if, if this Pikachu
00:20:47
Speaker
let's say if normal Pikachu happened to be made out of clay and you were like, I'm gonna make this Pikachu look like a, I'm gonna make this very abstract, like a child's Play-Doh depiction of like a horse with it's like soft, like roundy appendages. And then you just put that in like, I guess a red, I don't know what other, a red shell that kind of looks like a pot.
00:21:16
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Like a strainer almost. Yeah. Yeah. Like it like it like a very abstract strainer that Picasso made. Right. That's what this Pikachu looks like. If you can if you can believe the tapestry of imagery that I just wove for you. It's pretty good. Perfect. Yeah. Do you think the shell feels like a ceramic vase or? I do. I do. I think it feels more like a like like like a like a
00:21:45
Speaker
like a made pot than like a snail shell. Yeah, yeah. And going off your description, I feel like it looks like a sculpture of like a bowl of like instant ramen, but like at the MoMA. Someone, speaking of that, someone, and I'm gonna forget what the, do you guys know off the top of your head, the Japanese pottery,
00:22:16
Speaker
With a gold? Yeah. Kitsune... Kitsugi? Kitsugi, yeah. Yeah, so someone, speaking of like regional variants or especially, you know, because this does take place in an antiquity, right? It does take place during the urbanization of Lumio City.
00:22:42
Speaker
if someone did a render of Shuckle in a shell that looks like it was made with that Japanese pottery, where instead of it having holes, it was the gold cracks. And I think that's what solidified to me. It's like, oh, it is kind of like pottery. It is way more like pottery than a mollusk shell or something. Yeah. Man, I need to find that. That sounds awesome. I'll look for it. That's cool. That's cool.
00:23:09
Speaker
The shell always kind of reminded me of like a sweet potato ocarina. Oh, yeah. And it's just like a little worm sticking its head out. I was always a little bit because I imagine myself as the Shuckle, of course. And I always because I mean, we will talk about this and it'll come up sooner or later.
00:23:34
Speaker
and Sarah's already touched upon, how berry juice gets sort of fermented within this shell, or not even fermented, but turned into like a gooey viscous berry juice. And I always thought that would be very uncomfortable for me as the Shuckle. Right, like does it always have a big belly ache? And then something else that I thought about was this Pokemon must smell awful.
00:24:04
Speaker
I wonder if there's like little little flies that kind of like follow around it. Like a cutie fly just loves Shuckle because it smells so bad. I'm actually thinking it smells pretty sweet. Yeah, they do describe it as sweet, but thick and pulpy also. So I don't know. It is that is 100 percent like mead.
00:24:28
Speaker
It only kills 20 HP, so it can't be that good. I mean, Lemonade does like 50. Now, don't get me wrong, though. 20 HP in the right circumstance, like the Little Cup, Lifesaver. Huge.
00:24:43
Speaker
Yeah, so if you're if you're just a level five pokemon or you're playing in primarily level five, uh pokemon competitive play um, I think at times where Shuckle wasn't in the generation people had to switch up their strategies for lacking berry juice as a held item and sometimes it's even been uh banned so
00:25:13
Speaker
Very contentious little item that only heals 20 HP. I will be delicate about the way that I say this because it is something that I did when I was doing a little research on my favorite little guy. I did notice something about the juice situation. Do tell. Spill the juice. Let me spill the juice. Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire's Pokedex entry states
00:25:41
Speaker
Nothing, nothing new to the Shuckle Cannon. Quietly hides under rocks, keeps his body concealed in its shell. Here's the new bit of lore that the folks at Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire dropped. Stays concealed inside its hard shell while eating berries it has stored away. Next sentence. The berries mixed with its bodily fluids to become juice.
00:26:10
Speaker
Yes. This is, to me, with my reading into that, this is not the process of fermentation by exposure. It's not unlike how there are those coffee beans that are digested by serval cats, right? Oh, yeah. And the biology of that ferments the beans. This is one of those situations, but that's how yeast works.
00:26:38
Speaker
Right? Like yeast digests other things. And that's what, you know, that's how you keep yeast alive. To me, that's what Shuckle always, if Shuckle never felt like a, like a bagworm of any sort to me or a mosque, it seemed like a yeast to me.
00:26:53
Speaker
Yeah, and it does go into the fact that it could be based off of different kind of fungi. And it is called the mold Pokemon. So, I mean, I could definitely see all that. And it is a pretty fun guy. It's just so weird for me, though, because when I look at Shuckle, I'm like, cute turtle. And then it's like, no, it's a fungus. Yeah, big turtle vibes for sure. But it is turtle a little bit.
00:27:20
Speaker
I mean, Shuckle, the name kind of has turtle in it. And Barnacles, the the ones that it's based on potentially are known as tortoise scales. So it could have a good reason for why it looks turtle like so. It also the biology of this Pokemon is just crazy.
00:27:45
Speaker
Like the weirdest thing about it is the Crystal Pokedex entry really got me because it says the fluids secreted by its toes carve holes in the rocks for nesting and can be mixed with berries to make a drink.
00:28:03
Speaker
Yum, that sounds glorious. I just- Toe juice. So this is toe juice that can carve out rocks. So the fact that it mixes with berry juice to create something that doesn't kill you. Are those his little toes that are sticking out? Yes, I would say so. How many does he have?
00:28:29
Speaker
I think you have four in the head. There might actually be a little tail. There's no extra ones, right? I got a little plush here. No, it's four. Just four. Okay. Is that a sitting cutie by any chance? It is a sitting cutie. How would you rate it?
00:28:44
Speaker
How would I rate it? Like can you give me like a contest? Does it sit cute? Does it sit and is it cute? Does it have a good sit? Shuffle does really nothing but sit cute. Yes, it does sit cute. I don't have any other sitting cuties. My very good pal who does wonderful
00:29:06
Speaker
Pokemon toy photography, Adam Kovasos, nostalgic Adam. He sent me a care package and he sent me as much Shuckle, more Shuckle product than I thought existed. It was very sweet. So yes, he sits great. Yeah, definitely. He sits easy.
00:29:22
Speaker
How many how many holes are within the shell I'm looking at Shuckle right now and it looks like there are four for the Feet one for the head and then three empty ones and I just want to confirm that that is accurate I'll be right back. I'm gonna grab I have a figure somewhere and then I can compare the figure to the to the plush because the plush is
00:29:51
Speaker
has three dominant holes and then like, they're like spots almost. Yeah. I guess his fingers have been juiced through it yet. Yeah, but I guess there's holes, you would have to count the holes for the toes. The toes, yeah. Man, we're getting down to science. What a fascinating character.
00:30:09
Speaker
Yeah, I'm gonna guess right off the bat. There's five for head and limbs and three empty holes for putting in or taking out very you got some you got some weekday holes and some weekend. You got some options. When you want to put your toes up, you put them out the back holes. Yeah, when you're relaxing.
00:30:30
Speaker
kick your toes up and relax, like, shuffle. Yeah, it looks like, yeah, it's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven dominant holes if you include the ones where, like, the toes are sticking out, and then you've got those little chips almost. And that really does. That, to me, that gives the most, like, pottery or vase, because it looks like a blemish that you would find on, like, a vase or something like that.
00:30:59
Speaker
That's great. Okay. That is... We've solved that. That's the good science, yeah. We figure chocolate out. Yeah. I'm always counting holes. Call me Stanley Elnits, because I'm always thinking about them holes. Gotta take them holes. Yeah.
00:31:18
Speaker
Oh, oh my God. Do you think that the, I know that, you know, you guys spend so much time on this podcast talking about holes. Both the movie, not enough time, both the movie and the book, total, total, like I'll align that non-sequitur to, do you think that the juice tastes like sploosh? I think that juice tastes pretty gross. I don't know. I just think, you know, you're not talking about sploosh, you're talking about shuckle juice.
00:31:48
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I think Shucklejuice tastes disgusting. I think Shucklejuice probably tastes better than sploosh, but it has... sploosh and berry juice both have good healing properties. And you'd have to imagine sploosh is fermented, what with it being... I don't know why I'm pivoting. Every conversation has to go back to like the peach drink from Holes. Yeah.
00:32:12
Speaker
I did not know what sploosh was, and now I googled it, and I know. Sploosh. Okay, I'm gonna say this, I'm sorry. Never read the book, never saw the movie. Are you kidding me? Really? Oh, it's excellent.
00:32:24
Speaker
I'm surprised that they didn't make you in school. So when I say family helmets to you, nothing comes to mind. I know the name. I knew the name because it was a... What's his face? Shia LaBeouf. Shia LaBeouf, yeah. But I have not... Shia LaBeouf. I remember because my younger brother had to read it and I remembered him discussing it and stuff, but I never... Yeah. Maybe I was too old. When did the book come out? I was probably beyond...
00:32:52
Speaker
I'm an old fart. I mean, I think I remember seeing the book on the shelf when I was in like first or second grade. So had to be like ninety six. No, it came out in ninety eight. Yeah. OK. I recently rewatched all this Pokemon. It holds up tremendously. The movie. The movie. The movie has a busted cast. The cast is incredibly good. Yeah. It's a great story. Yeah.
00:33:17
Speaker
I think if we ever did, uh, like specials, uh, well, well viewing of holes is definitely viewing the holes. Jon Voight Sigourney Weaver. Yeah. Yeah. Dooley Hill. He's in it. Patricia, Patricia Arquette, Henry Winkler. Oh yeah. This is, this is crazy. Yeah. We got to cast holes.
00:33:46
Speaker
Man, I'm loving this. Great holes, who knew? I did post a picture from the anime of berry juice and it looks almost like green tea. It needs more color for sure. It does that. I feel like it should be some because isn't in the in the games, isn't charcoal juice bright?
00:34:03
Speaker
In the games, it's like a half coconut with like a straw sticking out of it. It's so good though. Looks way better. But still, yeah, like a kind of like orangey greenish color. I don't know.
00:34:19
Speaker
I have a photo for Science 2 that I just put up that I found while Googling Shuckle. Did you guys know that Shuckle is a Cardinals fan? Did you see the one that I posted at the top of the chat with the polka dollar chain necklace? Oh, that's very good. And those like, yeah. It reminds me of what's the turtle from Rock was Modern Life? Philbert? Yeah, his face gives me a very Philbert look.
00:34:49
Speaker
I think berry juice will probably taste like a pina colada they drink berry juice in pokemon horizons because shuckles on that on that airship oh is that the that's the new series right coming to netflix it's the new series that's coming to netflix on march 7th yeah
00:35:10
Speaker
I was on Netflix the other day and I let out a little squeal. It's good. I've been watching it since it came out last April. I've only heard good things. I'm very excited because it's really daunting. Mr. Zwanzig, a friend of the podcast.
00:35:30
Speaker
police are of all of our facts. I think he recently did a re-watch of most of the anime and I salute him because that seems like such a great undertaking and he has said that it is wonderful throughout and there's some really
00:35:52
Speaker
great things, but just like One Piece, I just, it's too much for me to step into it right now, and I think Horizons would be very nice to just dip my toe into and just start from there. From my work, I dove into pretty much every episode at that point. What is interesting is that there are certain
00:36:16
Speaker
canonical, there are certain seasons that have more canonical weight than others. And what they did that I find so tremendously respectable in journeys and then the additional, you know, sub seasons of that
00:36:32
Speaker
that series uh uh is that they kind of decided to canonize it all like black and white is a really great example of like they kind of wreck they didn't wreck calm but they kind of did a soft reset right where the certain things you weren't sure if they were canon or not and then um journeys was like no everything is everything mattered um and then if you did what uh uh the
00:36:54
Speaker
the person who you mentioned rewatched everything. Wow. I obviously care a lot about Pokemon. In the last few episodes, as well as the Ash versus Leon battle, I actually like
00:37:14
Speaker
Like, cry cried? You know, Shutting Interior is normal for me for something emotional. I was like, wow, I, you know, I might be one of a handful of people who like went and did the whole rewatch and then kind of culminating to this. This is a really cool send off. So yeah, I salute that because it is a pretty peculiar task to watch it over like 1,500 episodes. Yeah, that's so many. It's a lot. It's a lot.
00:37:44
Speaker
Yeah, it's funny because last time you were on with Magmar, you were discussing the beginning of the end, basically. Like about Leon showing up and having a squash match to start off that championship to really show his power, especially with the type disadvantage. And then when it really did come out, I remember it being news on like... Oh, people are still talking about it.
00:38:10
Speaker
but it was just like ash finally won and it was on like random you know when like something would happen and your parents would be like look what's in the paper it's that thing yeah it felt like that it was and people are saying after 25 years but ash is still 10 so technically yeah it did not take him that long i do have a actually this is this is a this this is a compliment like i'll make it quick there's a compliment story to
Personal Pokémon Memories
00:38:37
Speaker
The last time I was on the podcast where I was talking about my introduction to Pokémon because since then, obviously, yeah, I was talking about beginning at the end. So when that episode aired in Japan, I happened to fly out to Ohio where members of my family live. My cousin, my older male cousin, is the person who introduced me to Pokémon when I was
00:39:00
Speaker
five years old. And was four, four years old. And so he was he was the start of it all like like he because he's like four years older than me. He was obsessed with it. He got four year old me obsessed with Pokemon. And it really was a just a tremendous experience. I was at his place. And we were both taking care of his at that point.
00:39:26
Speaker
newborn daughter, his first child, first kid of that generation of my family. And here I am sitting next to my cousin who introduced me to Pokemon with his child, who I'm like the godfather of, watching Ash fulfill that 25. And it really was this moment of like,
00:39:48
Speaker
Wow, it really is over, huh? Like, wow, the future actually kind of came, didn't it? And that was a, yeah, so there's a full circle there, is that he introduced me to Pokemon, and we both, with his newborn daughter, got to see the end of that series together. That is such a sweet story. Yeah, I'm very lucky. I was like, I think that's probably why I cried too, because I think that was like, resting the emotional weight of like, it's a full circle! Oh my god!
00:40:14
Speaker
And it's so nostalgic, but also at the same time, it's like you're like your family starting a new chapter and that's also equally exciting. Yeah. Yeah. And so crazy to that. I mean, a lot of the things I liked as a kid, I still like as an adult, but Pokemon is still chugging along and just as strong as ever.
00:40:36
Speaker
Uh, probably stronger than ever. I think, especially just what I see at the comic shop. And anytime I hear like Pokemon day was yesterday, I know that it's getting a little more standardized. It's not as arbitrary as it was, but I always think back to that beautiful day in Bryant park in the city for the 10th anniversary. And I was there with my two best friends.
00:40:56
Speaker
I was there with Peter and Hulk Hogan. The three of us really had a great time, and Jimmy Hartmouth of the South was there, too. Wait, yeah, I recently saw that video, right? Where there's that video of him where he's just like, I'm here with my friend Pikachu. Like, was that for that? Was he actually at the oh, my God. Yeah, there's a I'll send you a video where we were there. Oh, were you like watching him talk about his friend Pikachu in front of the camera?
00:41:25
Speaker
So he went up on stage. They had a stage, the guy who, I always forget his name, Jason something who performs the original theme song. Jason Page, I believe. Yeah, that's it. He came out and sang the song live and then he- Very good performance too. Yes, beautiful, beautiful. It was like, you know, voice of a champion. I might have a comic on last year.
00:41:49
Speaker
He's everywhere now I'm glad he's having a huge like he's riding the Pokemon wave yeah having a ton of like. Just like. He's everywhere every convention I see him online every shop but. Yes it was in Brian park kind of midtown Manhattan if you just walk past through.
00:42:13
Speaker
through Times Square, you hit Brian Park and they decorated it with statues, life-size statues of Pokemon. So you would look in the brush and you'd see like a Metapod in it or like there's like a big Venusaur in the bushes and then the fountain was full of like
00:42:30
Speaker
Squirtles and whoopers and stuff. And then on the stage, Hulk Hogan came out. I remember him saying, like, it makes sense that the championship wrestler Hulk Hogan is here with the championship Pokemon Pikachu, brother. Yeah. And then he talked about his son. He did not know what he was talking about, but he was trying his best. Somewhere I have a photo of us waiting in line playing Pokemon. Yeah. From the news.
00:42:56
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because that was back in the day where we all waited in line to get our 10th anniversary flying Pikachu's and legendaries where you like put your GBA cart into the machine. Yeah, you could choose from any legendary besides like your Celebi or Mew. But I think everything else was on the table.
00:43:18
Speaker
And the people there were just other, they did not care. I remember one, you were able to bring two carts. I wanted to finish the legendary dogs on one. And I just got two Raikus. I was like, I like Raiku a lot, but.
00:43:32
Speaker
Sorry, Entei. Yeah, I think I got, yeah, legendary dogs. I think I got a Suicune, I got a Raikou, and then two flying vegan shoes. Because this was before all the Jodo stuff, so. But now we're in Jodo, and we're discussing our French Shuckle. Yeah, and Hulk Hogan. Hulk Hogan is very much a Shuckle. Yeah, he's kind of like the Hulk Hogan of Pokemon, if you think about it.
00:43:58
Speaker
because he, you look at him and he's just an old hot dog colored man who- A little moldy. A little moldy, his hair. Oh my God. He pretends he still has hair. And you can tell that his stats are who knows. But then when he starts doing his taunt- Yeah, we gotta start talking about- We gotta talk about this special power. We gotta talk about these Shuckles stats. When Shuckles starts hulking up. So let's discuss.
00:44:29
Speaker
Yeah, because you guys are talking about what I assumed to be, and I didn't do any of the research because of fever and math don't mix, but you were probably touching on the fact that if because of how absolutely uneven
00:44:48
Speaker
Shuckle's stats are that it has the greatest potential for damage output. It has the greatest standard deviation of all Pokémon in its base stats, so we can get into the math of it all.
Shuckle's Stats & Potential
00:45:05
Speaker
That basically just means that the stats are either some of the best or some of the worst.
00:45:11
Speaker
Um, and we could start with base HP. Uh, it's the worst of all rock type Pokemon and only three other Pokemon are worse than it, which is real quick, real quick. I just wanted to say I was so pumped about this because it's like three of my all time favorites. And I just love this little squad. Like I'd go and get a beer with this squad. Yeah, they couldn't take their beer, but they, they share.
00:45:36
Speaker
It's Shed Ninja, Wigglet, and Diglett. Yeah. Those are three little stingers. And they're all Dave's favorites, like all time favorites. I was like, where's Tangla? Let's make this happen. Let's do this. We're going out. Yes. Then we could move on to attack. Shed Ninja cannot eat paufins. Oh. Yeah. I'll never turn into a melodic. Yeah.
00:46:03
Speaker
Shuckle has the lowest base attack stat of all Bug-type and Rock-type Pokémon, and there's only two other Pokémon that have a lower base attack, and that's happening in Chansey. I do think, though, yeah, if you use Power Trick, Shuckle can temporarily reach a base attack stat of 230, which would be the highest of all Pokémon.
00:46:28
Speaker
So it's like that meme that goes around. It's like who would have a stronger attack, like literal God or a little worm rock or whatever they say. Yeah. I think what, what is it? Uh, uh, like the.
00:46:47
Speaker
unavailable form of Eternatus is the only Pokemon that even like holds a candle to the craziness that are a shuffles like yeah. But that doesn't count. That's like saying like the strongest character in Smash Brothers is Giga Bowser. Like you can't play as him. That's true. Although I think
00:47:11
Speaker
I think it was figured out how you can debug yourself to actually use Master Hand and Crazy Hand. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, they have Smash moves and everything. Moving on, Shuckle has the lowest base special attack of all Pokémon, tied with Feebas, Bonsley, and Alolan, Sandshrew.
00:47:36
Speaker
And then it also has the lowest base speed stat of all Pokemon tied with munchlacks and pukumuku There's there's so like There's like a bit with Shuckle, right? Like there's like a there's a gimmick and there were and there's and my favorite Pokemon are getting Pokemon the the thing that makes me sad genuinely is like the Pokemon that you're prattling off it's like I
00:48:01
Speaker
Okay, what's Pyukumuku's excuse? Like, there's no, and I guess Pyukumuku does have a gimmick. I think, what was it? Oh, Alolan Sandshrew, what did Alolan Sandshrew do to get the lowest special attack? There's no reason for that. He's just a guy.
00:48:17
Speaker
Poor little fella. I know. What's the problem? Maybe he's just hibernating. He just doesn't want to deal with life. Yeah. Because gimmick Pokemon like Sheninja, like it's one HP. It's literally just like the, you know, let it ride. Right.
00:48:33
Speaker
And Shuckle is like a more involved, let it ride Pokemon to be fair. But like, it makes me feel bad for like, and again, like you said, like Munch, like, okay, Munch likes a baby Pokemon, that's totally fine. Its stats are kind of purposefully supposed to be under, you know, presented. But yeah, alone, sand true. That's a base form.
00:48:53
Speaker
Does a lowland sandshrew have just like ball or attack them? It's probably got a really good, I know it's got a really good defense cause it's a steal ice, right? Yeah. I mean, I've, I've used a low lowland sand slash before on an ice team. And, uh, yeah, I mean, solid, uh, solid attacker. Um, uh,
00:49:16
Speaker
It was pretty quick. I think it has like a slush rush ability in the, um, in the, uh, hail, which is now, uh, snow. Um, so yeah, it's just a, it's just an attacker, like a swords dance. You set up a swords dance and you attack, attack, attack. Okay. So it's base, um, attack is 75.
00:49:40
Speaker
Okay. Okay. So that that kind of Peter, can you beat this thing up? It's a we gave Peter base stats.
00:49:50
Speaker
I'm pulling him up now. Just to see if he can beat up Pokemon. This is a lowland sandshrew. I do this with my D&D group where sometimes we talk about certain challenge rating monsters and like, if we have a flat 10 stat, could we fight this thing? And the majority of the answer is no. Yeah. Could you fight the floating sword?
00:50:14
Speaker
What was the attack on the Sandshrew? 75? 75. I probably matched it, yeah. Ooh, but it has a 90 defense. But what's Peter's special attack? Because that's where it'd have to go for it. So Peter's special attack is 60, and his defense is 80. So he's kind of like an Alolan Sandshrew. Peter got great defense. Yeah. I'm assuming your base stage.
00:50:35
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I was trying to make myself pretty close to like just a normal guy. I think we just said like, what's a normal Pokemon. Oh, yeah, we went like right down the middle on those. Yeah.
00:50:50
Speaker
Yeah. So I think it would be a good fight. You guys actually buffed me up quite a bit because I was, I was throwing out much lower numbers and you guys were like, no, Peter, you're better than that. You got to beat up an A-POM at least. Yeah, it was A-POM. It was A-POM. That's where we were. If he could beat up an A-POM. Could you beat up a Shuckle?
00:51:13
Speaker
Could I beat up a Shuckle? No. Here's the thing. You'd have to beat it up immediately or else it would punch a hole through the earth. Yeah, you have one wrong move. You have one wrong move. You have one move to make and it's probably gonna be a wrong move. There's a lot of tools in the tool belt. I mean, given enough time and an angle grinder maybe, but...
00:51:35
Speaker
Sorry, Shuckle. But yeah, no, if I only had one shot, one opportunity to seize everything I ever wanted, I would let it slip, yeah. Yeah, spaghetti on my shirt already. Yeah, I'd probably pour myself a quick berry juice and kiss the earth goodbye.
00:51:54
Speaker
We talked about all the bad stats. We should talk about the thing that makes Shuckle so great. Has the highest base defense and special defense stats of all obtainable Pokemon. It is tied with Mega Steelix and Mega Aggron.
00:52:12
Speaker
But its special defense is, Shuckle's special defense is technically tied, so that kind of makes it better than Mega Agron and Mega Steelix because defensively, total between defense and special defense, it's better in both, so.
00:52:31
Speaker
It's a beast. Yeah. And also it doesn't have to, you know, mega evolve or anything. No. He's just going about his business. Yeah. He just comes out of the box like that. Stock. Yeah. If he got an evolution, then he could carry an Eviolite, which would. They're not going to have another Duraludon situation on their hands. Yeah.
00:52:57
Speaker
Oh yeah, because that's the thing, right? That made Dora Ludaan crazy. Yeah. Which is crazy to me to think about.
00:53:10
Speaker
that that Pokemon now has, um, yeah, it's technically an unevolved Pokemon. Wild. Yeah. Um, yeah, so it's got all those high stats and then by using power trick
00:53:28
Speaker
it can temporarily, as we say, reach an attack of 230, which is insane. And on top of that, it has a hidden power, which this is something I didn't know. Do you guys know the hidden power of contrary? Contrary is... If you try to drop a stat, it instead increases it.
00:53:58
Speaker
Yep. Okay. Yeah. So I learned that that also has no effect on power trick. So you could start using shell smash to start boosting up your stats as well. So it's crazy that this Pokemon like you can get the, you know, the wheels turning really quick with this thing.
00:54:22
Speaker
let me validate my chuckle head position here. So when Sword and Shield came out, I decided to, this was like the dumbest, like I had way too much time on my hands when I did this. I did a Shuckle only run of Sword and Shield. And I allowed myself to Shuckle.
00:54:50
Speaker
And I wasn't like, nuzlocking it or anything like that. I was just like, can I beat this game with just two Shuckle? So the power trick thing was like, that was my like, ace is running the power trick gambit with Shuckle. Both of them were sturdy.
00:55:09
Speaker
Um, uh, but, and then the contrary thing is, is a, um, that's, that's one of the options, but the other option that I took was, uh, and this is why I know that they built Shuckle for this exact reason is that I think it was in gen five or four is when they gave, they gave Shuckle power split.
00:55:29
Speaker
So power split, it makes you change, it makes you, it neutral, not neutralizes, it equalizes your Pokemon's attack stat with its opposing Pokemon. So if Shuckle was against a Lucario and it used power split, it makes the, it splits the difference and that's the attack stat that Shuckle had. And then I would run power trick. So its defense is passable.
00:55:57
Speaker
and its attack is insane. Meanwhile, I just debuffed Lucario's attack to nothing. And then I would toxic stall.
00:56:08
Speaker
I had so much time on my hands. Oh my god. Toxic stalling is my favorite thing to do. It's so much fun. It's so much fun. But yeah, so if I could validate it, I did manage to beat Sword and Shield with just two Shuckle. But it was the most underhanded way to beat a Pokemon game I think I've ever tried. That's so cool, though. I would love to see that battle animated.
00:56:33
Speaker
where someone's like, go, Lucario, mega evolve. And then you're like, chuckle, do this. And then, and then, I mean, that's the best part is that the defense stat that it switches into is like good. It's not great, but you've still debuffed your enemy like crazy.
00:56:50
Speaker
Yeah. And then the other Pokemon is just coughing and rolling around on the ground choking. And Shuckle's just kind of like smiling and waving and just hiding, making some kombucha in his shell. How sweet. How sweet.
00:57:07
Speaker
how sweet. You know that in the anime, there's an episode called a better pill to swallow an old man harvests berry juice with multiple shuckle to create medicine.
Shuckle in Media
00:57:22
Speaker
Oh,
00:57:23
Speaker
And it's pretty nice. And he befriends a purple Shuckle. And that Berry Juice attracts Pokemon to anybody. And because of that, Team Rocket wants to steal it. That's the first appearance of Shuckle. But I also thought it was interesting because Shiny Shuckle now is blue. But if you look in the original Sprice, it kind of has a little purple feel to it. It was purple. It was 100% purple in, oh my god, what was it?
00:57:51
Speaker
gold, silver crystal. It was 100% purple and yellow and so cute. That's a pretty good purple. It is such a good purple. Then they just turned it blue, which is fine in blue. But the purple is so regal. It's a very pretty purple, yeah. Right. Because it's like going back to the whole, it looks like a vase and like the MoMA, like a very fancy pottery. I don't know. I just think the purple looks so regal and royal. I love it.
00:58:19
Speaker
But Blue's fine, I guess. Well, originally in the demo, I don't know if I can send over the photo. I don't know if I can just add. Actually, no, I can't add that way. So there is a beta of Shuckle. And unlike the other ones, it's pretty similar. But the V side of it is
00:58:49
Speaker
a little more accentuated. If you take a peek at it, I'm gonna drop it into the chat. So this original Shuckle looks more like a snake in a pot. And it was the fermentation Pokemon. And apparently it was in reference to snake wine, where they use snakes to ferment alcohol.
00:59:15
Speaker
which gave me the question, where could I get snake wine? And do they still make snake wine? Oh.
00:59:23
Speaker
And the answer that I just answered myself is a scary thing. Oh my god. So I thought snake wine would be like they used snakes to make wine. I didn't know that they put the entire snake inside of there. Yeah, it's like the worm in the tequila. It's the same idea. Yeah, but they pose the snake. This one has a scorpion in its mouth. Yeah.
00:59:47
Speaker
Yeah, um, famously Max Scoville on the comedy button was talking about getting Vietnamese snake wine. And I think one time when we went to Mount Fuji, I saw a bottle of it right just on display.
01:00:04
Speaker
I think there is a trainer in the manga, what's her name? Something Pike, Pike Queen Lucy, who had a Shuckle and she is specifically like, she has like a Seviper and all like snake-like Pokemon. If you look her up, Pike Queen Lucy, she's very snake-like and she has Shuckle as one of her Pokemon that fights for her.
01:00:32
Speaker
in relation to the snake wine, I guess. This is such a... This Pokemon is so... It's so remarkable because I don't think that many Pokemon have...
01:00:47
Speaker
the identity crisis of Shuckle, because Shuckle, like half of this episode has been like, it's a mollusk, it's a snail, it's a snake, it's mold, I mean, and it's objectively a mold, it's a turtle, right? Like, and most Pokemon it's like, yeah, that's a rat.
01:01:05
Speaker
Like, I mean, did you know it's also an endolith? Sure. Those are organisms that live inside rocks or animal shells, which Shuckle is known to do. And that's so. And all of these things that you guys have been, that we've been throwing out, like all are viable. They're all equally, I think as viable. Yeah. But, you know, when I was playing the game, I have to be honest, I was like, why is this thing turning berries into juice? I don't get it. Like.
01:01:34
Speaker
It didn't make I was like, it's it looks like a shell with like a eel coming out of it. It's a bug type. And it turns berries into juice. I was like, I feel like I'm missing something. Now you got it. That's also a nematode. Oh, yeah, that one just made me think of my good pal Doug funny. Spongebob. Love the nematode.
01:01:59
Speaker
Kalukuku. Everybody had fun with the names, so we have our English name, Shuckle, which comes from Shucking, Shackle, potentially Barnacle and Turtle. Could all be inspirations for the name. The Japanese name is SuboSubo.
01:02:20
Speaker
Subo is a jar, and Fujisubo is a barnacle. So it's the Subosubo, the jar barnacle. In French, we have Keratroc, which is a combination of carapace and rock. So not too special there, but it's a cool name, Keratroc. Then German is Patrot.
01:02:47
Speaker
Uh, which comes from pot and verrotten, which means to like rot or spoil. Um, Oh, rotten pot. I love that. That's the best. That could be our little like, uh, like punk band.
01:03:01
Speaker
We also have the Chinese name, which is hoo-hoo, which comes from the word jar. And then also we have the Korean name. The Korean name is dan-dan-ji, which comes from dan-dan-hara, which is hard, and dan-ji, which is pot.
01:03:31
Speaker
So lots of, uh, lots of cute little names. Uh, you know, a lot of the times the Korean or the Chinese names will be just, uh, kind of the Japanese name, uh, translated like phonetically. Um, but it was, it was cool that they got their own little names now, uh, in just about every language except Italian. That's just Shuckle. That's just Shuckle baby.
01:04:01
Speaker
And that's just Chicago. Do we have any other facts before we move on to the game? I have one extra little special thing I did for this this episode. Ooh, do tell. So the Pokedex entries were a little lacking and I was like, oh, well, you know, I'm going to go to Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon and that's where the good stuff's going to be. But they don't have exactly what I was going to do. Listen, I am.
01:04:27
Speaker
I don't support AI, but for fun little fun things, I think that's fine. So I had chat GPT, right. Shuckle, a ultra sun and ultra moon, a Pokedex. I love this. Oh my gosh. Pokedex. Yeah, no problem.
01:04:42
Speaker
Pokedex entry, Shuckle, number 213. Shuckle, a fortress of bug and rock, lurks in the shadowy recesses of Alolan crags, its impenetrable shell exuding an aura of indomitable might. Unleashing the power within this patient guardian ferments berries into a concoction of raw potency, using it not only for self-defense, but as a silent pact of allegiance with those daring enough to earn its trust.
01:05:09
Speaker
Beautiful. Absolutely. Patient Guardian. That's like if it was like a totem Pokemon. Yeah. I mean, listen, I did have to tell the GPT to make it a little cool. So it's Ultra Sun, you know, you got to go hard. Please make Shuckle cool.
01:05:30
Speaker
Yeah. Ultra Sun, Ultra Moon go so hard. It's like they're written by like Danzig and a 13 year old boy. Yeah. I do. I do really love those, uh, those Pokedex entries. Uh, then right behind it, the, uh, Arceus ones are really, um, I, my quick little factoid about Shuckle is that competitively.
01:05:54
Speaker
Usually in Pokemon a good offense is the best defense because a good human opponent will just set up against you.
01:06:06
Speaker
However, Shuckle was briefly banned in the tier that it was in. I think it was like a PU tier or something like that. Because it stinks. Potentially. And I think this might have been in X and Y or one of the older competitive formats. It was...
01:06:36
Speaker
almost universally like Requirement on a team because it would be the best Pokemon to set up entry hazards like The the pointed stones and stealth rocks and then sticky web which of course is one of the best moves in Pokemon because
01:06:59
Speaker
It really sets up a lot of your slower Really powerful attackers to just get that that one hit KO attack in so very briefly just because it was the
01:07:16
Speaker
like Necessary Pokemon and everybody's team if it's necessary It's it probably should be banned and they they banned it briefly So in one format at one point Shuckle was so powerful. It was banned And it's not currently available in this generation so Yeah Let's see. I think I think things may have changed since then I think
01:07:47
Speaker
There's a lot more Pokemon in the tiering that Shuckle would be in, so that entire scene is changed. I don't know if it still gets all of the same moves. I know they changed a lot of the movesets over the years. Gimmick Pokemon are difficult to balance in certain things. I know Sheninja is not making its way into a game like...
01:08:14
Speaker
Scarlet Violet, especially with type changing. Yeah. Yeah. And even with that, just having if you've caught one that it shows what's super effective, it leaves the guessing game out and it's yeah. But all right. Anything else about about Shuckle before we go to the card game? I think we're good to start our wonderful guessing games. All right.
01:08:42
Speaker
Yay, who doesn't love
Shuckle TCG Game
01:08:43
Speaker
games? Okay, so this is one of our favorite segments where everybody who's on the podcast, guest included, will guess how many cards our friend Shuckle appears in the trading card game. I always give the guests the option to go first or not. So Aaron, would you like to take a stab at it first? Do you want to see what some of the others have to say? I would, I'm happy to go first. All right.
01:09:14
Speaker
I'm going to say... I'm gonna say a confident...
01:09:22
Speaker
I don't know, it's confident, and then I agree with you. I just, okay, so, oh, listen, I know it's at least one because one of the greatest cards designed by Yuko Mori, the queen of Pokemon and TCT illustration, Clay Art Queen, she did one, that was one of her firsts. I'm going to say a confident 14.
01:09:49
Speaker
Okay, I love the confidence. 14 is on the table. Who would like to go next? Well, I'm gonna say a confident 16. I'll do the indomitable 15. Is this price is right? One dollar. I'm gonna say 12.
01:10:10
Speaker
Okay, three of you were so close, but Steven actually got the right number with his in between 15. But I love the confidence and the confidence was really strong. You were so close. Wait, what was the final number? 15. We ball parked it. We were all ball parked. That was good. Like Steven on either side. Okay.
01:10:35
Speaker
No, I was just gonna say, I think 15 is like a good amount, you know? Yeah. Pokemon has been around for a while and they've been getting cards, like 15 is usually around the right answer. Especially because they have no evolution, no mega, no nothing special, it's just Shuckle. So I think that's pretty good. Which is special enough. Right. But...
01:10:57
Speaker
All right, and now we're going to move on to a game that we've always called Who Are You Gonna Kiss? This is a game about kissing. Happy Valentine's Day. You miss it? Well, guess what? It's time for kissing. I'm gonna talk about four different Pokemon where if you leave them at the daycare and with your Shuckle, one of these will not produce an egg. All right, so I'm going to list these four Pokemon. You guys let me know which one will not produce an egg.
01:11:27
Speaker
All right, so we have Dwebble, Surskit, Snom, and Orthworm. What is that? Orthworm? It's that adorable worm guy from the new game. Oh, oh, oh, right, right. I'm gonna say Orthworm. I'm gonna say Snom. It was, you said Snom, Orthworm, Dwebble, and- Surskit.
01:11:57
Speaker
I might say Surskit. I think it's... Oh gosh, I think it's Orthworm 2. But those are all... You can have the same answer. Those are all the... Gosh, I want to say they're all the same...
01:12:16
Speaker
Egg type, but I'm going to say Orthworm just from a scale perspective. I feel like they could they could have like sized it up to some, you know, actually, no, I'm going to take that back. I am also going to do Snom. Wildcard Snom. All right. In the end, it is Orthworm. No way. So because Orthworm is pretty much all bug Pokemon are within the bug type.
01:12:45
Speaker
Uh, the bug egg type, but Orthworm, not a bug. It's just in the field, the field type. It's not a bug. What is it? I think it's just steel type. It's steel. It's just steel. Yeah. So it's, but bug, I always have fun with bug because like, uh, Gliger's in bug that people don't expect. Pineco's in bug and people don't expect, but yeah. So that, that's, that's that. Um.
01:13:12
Speaker
So that has been an action-packed episode with the biggest Shuckle fan.
01:13:22
Speaker
in this planet. Yes. That's right, everyone else. And you will fight? I will fight anyone who wants to. Yeah, if anyone wants to meet me in an open field, that's like, you know, I'll send you my address and we'll find an open field. I actually don't think there are many open fields near where I live. But, you know, but as we've mentioned earlier. A quarry. Yeah, a quarry, a stone. Any place where they work with stone and mineral,
01:13:51
Speaker
I'll fight you in. It'll be fun. So how's that shell you've been working on? The one that you filled with all that gross juice that you were going to fight people from? Uh, not good. Not good at all. It is not coming along. Oh, okay. So he'll fight you. He's got to wait a little bit. Yeah, please. Yeah. Give me, let me, if I can, if I can power split and then power trick. Oh boy. Yeah.
01:14:16
Speaker
If I could just, uh, uh, quick defense curl and then get up, uh, four turns of, uh, of rollout. And then you just stand in front of me, please. Thank you. Yeah. I'm just on the corner belly drumming, making people uncomfortable. Oh man. When I first heard of the move belly drum, I think I actually laughed out loud. It's a great move. Great move.
01:14:45
Speaker
Well, Aaron, thank you for coming again. Thank you so much for having me. Spreading the joy of Pokemon and just, I always have a blast. We always have a blast talking with you. Yeah, it's always so much fun. I'll have to think about what Pokemon next. You know, I am a Spinda fan. That might make you guys about Spinda when you reach Hoenn. That sounds good. I really do. Always appreciate you guys having me on. Always have a blast. It's so much fun talking with y'all.
01:15:15
Speaker
Well, every episode is just as unique and special, like every little spinda dot. Yeah. I'm actually going to try to catch every single type of spinda before you come on next. Good luck. I think that's impossible, but good luck. I am fairly sure that is impossible, but somebody's got to do it.
01:15:34
Speaker
That's right. The internet exists. I mean, somebody has to find a way to do it. Yeah. I'll reach out to Joe Merrick and see if he did it as he runs Serebii.net. I'm sure he has. Probably. Yeah. Aaron, do you want anybody to meet you anywhere or find you? Not meet you. That's bad. In a field. In a field or a stone quarry.
01:15:53
Speaker
Where could people find you? Do you want socials on this? If you want to follow me on Twitter, I'm not going to call it the other thing. Me neither. I'm at Aaron underscore Mark Olin. Or if you want to follow me on Instagram, I am the man with the red mane.
01:16:17
Speaker
I'm pretty much my own name on other social media sites like Blue Sky, which I'm trying to do more on. But if you want to find me to fight me, I am looking up local stone quarries. We can have ourselves a Metal Gear Solid tussle at the end of that game. So find me in a metal quarry.
01:16:39
Speaker
Yeah, thank you for being on. Thank you to Karl Germ for our theme music. Find us in a field and fight us, or you can find us online on the Instagram.
01:16:57
Speaker
We are so happy that you're listening to us and if you have too much of the pulpy berry juice and it's not sitting well in your stomach, then you might be prone to fits all.