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We watch "Future’s End, Part I" (S3 Ep.8)
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Welcome to Janeway’s Children
This week we are watching "Future’s End, Part I", in which we travel back to 90s LA, meet a young comedienne and try to keep track of the time travel.
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Transcript
The Strange Phenomenon of Repetition and Distractions
00:00:00
El Platypo
This needs big distraction energy for me. Distract, destract, destract, destract, destract. Yeah,
00:00:07
Red D
You know when you like say a word so much, you're like, is that a real word? Is distract a real word?
00:00:12
El Platypo
I know.
00:00:14
Red D
I don't know.
00:00:14
El Platypo
Well, ah to be honest, it's very weird, but I find it very difficult to stop myself doing sort of a Donald Trump fist dance to this music.
00:00:22
Jen
Oh no, don't.
00:00:22
El Platypo
Yeah, no, don't do it, Red. Don't do it.
Humor in Creating and Promoting TikTok Ads
00:00:25
Red D
That's so funny. Maybe I should make another TikTok ad.
00:00:26
Jen
I can't unsee it.
00:00:29
Red D
After my one I made six months ago. um
00:00:32
Jen
You guys are very good at it.
00:00:32
Red D
yes
00:00:34
El Platypo
Wait, you made a ticket.
00:00:34
Jen
It's a bit worrying.
00:00:34
Red D
ah
00:00:35
El Platypo
You made a tick or cat about this.
00:00:35
Red D
I don't know. About this podcast, but used Donald Trump to pro promote it. I mean.
00:00:43
El Platypo
But hang on before you go there. Like, did you make a tick tock ad about this podcast?
00:00:48
Red D
Yes, I told you guys. I think I even
Podcast Jingles and Trump Dance Moves
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Red D
showed you when I used AI to make our logo animate.
00:00:55
El Platypo
I'm having to raise an eyebrow very high here. Cause I remember the logo, but i do not remember. We'll talk of a tick tock ad.
00:01:03
Jen
I remember talking about it, but I didn't really, I mean, don't think I ever saw it. Did you send us?
00:01:08
El Platypo
Maybe we should settle this creative and commercial difference offline when we're not doing it in front of everyone who presumably listens to this.
00:01:08
Red D
Are you on TikTok?
00:01:17
El Platypo
On the other hand, I'd love to continue this as a commercial dispute right now.
00:01:17
Red D
Well,
00:01:21
Red D
well, I was just so happy that we managed to use the whole jingle. So that's why I kept talking and dancing like Donald Trump. Um, ah
00:01:29
El Platypo
That's a bad reason to dance that way, dude. That's such a bad reason to dance that way.
00:01:32
Red D
I think the dances are music, I think. Everyone probably thinks that. um
00:01:38
El Platypo
I don't know, man. i get i I got PTSD already. Before the even tea.
00:01:43
Red D
You've seen my dancing, so you should be able to manage. ah um
00:01:48
El Platypo
I've
00:01:48
Red D
same
Return from Break and Star Trek Voyager Discussion
00:01:49
El Platypo
experienced your dancing.
00:01:50
Red D
Jamie, you should've leapt to my defence there. Anyway, back to the...
00:01:53
El Platypo
Oh, yeah, sorry. Oh, I mean, yeah what are you talking about?
00:01:54
Red D
ah
00:01:56
El Platypo
There's no comparison. Sorry, have I flustered long enough?
00:02:01
Red D
Yes, that's good. So welcome back, everybody. Bit of a break. One of us decided to get sick and have an operation.
00:02:08
Jen
Thank you.
00:02:08
El Platypo
It was an extreme measure to take to avoid talking to you, our beloved listeners, but I stand behind taking it.
00:02:14
Red D
Very extreme. i mean, you can always use the codeine when we're recording our podcast, the letter of a codeine.
00:02:22
Red D
That might be amazing. But we are back. We are doing... Oh, I only wrote down the name. ups My brain? It's back to being a sip. Season 3, Episode 8, Star Trek Voyager, Futures End, Part 1.
00:02:35
Red D
So, yeah.
00:02:38
Jen
To a parto.
00:02:39
Red D
Two parts. And it's halfway through the season. i was like, is it the end of the season? Well, anyway, we'll we'll find out next time. But um Jamie, Jenny, welcome back.
00:02:50
Red D
And Jamie, are you ready to do a one-minute summary? Or have you been through all the episodes and checked if it's your turn or not to do the one-minute summary?
00:02:59
El Platypo
I do love it when my victories are paid in patrony. um As just happened there. I haven't prepared this in any way, shape or form, but I think it's fair to say that this is that eternal story of a starship lost in quadrant far, far from
Time Travel in Star Trek: Love, Hate, and Humor
00:03:21
El Platypo
home who run across a small starship in a rip in the space-time continuum saying, I must destroy you to save your planet in the future.
00:03:32
El Platypo
Give yourselves up now. and then basically blowing them and itself through the rift in the space-time continuum into the past as opposed to the future, and our intrepid band of Star Trek voyages embarking on adventures in 1990s Los Angeles, trying to find out the source of subspace frequency harmonics that suggest their time-travelling tormentor
00:03:41
Jen
Hmm.
00:04:04
El Platypo
Maybe on the surface. The plot continues.
00:04:07
Red D
Nice. Nice, Jamie.
00:04:09
El Platypo
Well, at most just threw in a load of pauses when I hadn't figured out what to say next, but apparently it adds drama.
00:04:15
Red D
Yeah, was great. And I think I ah realized why I made a mistake about who is moderating because I don't actually go in alphabetical order.
00:04:17
Jen
It was.
00:04:23
Red D
I go Jenny, Jamie, Redd. But anyway, we don't have to get into that now. But...
00:04:27
El Platypo
Just in case our listeners are unsure about this, Red falsely accused me of moderating today. What she didn't know is that for the first time ever on this series, I'd actually done my research and listened to the preceding two podcasts.
00:04:40
Red D
Oh, is that why we got more listens? That's great.
00:04:43
El Platypo
it It is. i had a lot of time to listen to things while I was on my hospital bed, from which I have arisen to preach with you, my fair friends.
00:04:51
Jen
Oh, you should have spent some of that time listening to our podcasts and seeing what they actually sound like as a as a listener.
00:04:58
El Platypo
I really hate to say this, but that's actually what I did. Indeed, what I said I just did.
00:05:01
Jen
Did you really?
00:05:02
El Platypo
That is what I just said I did!
00:05:03
Jen
i thought you were joking.
00:05:03
Red D
The secret's out.
00:05:04
Jen
oh my goodness. but But I thought you joking. Are you serious? Oh, well, how did how did we sound?
00:05:09
El Platypo
Yeah, of course I'm serious.
00:05:13
El Platypo
Like Argonauts. Heroes of old.
00:05:17
Jen
Excellent.
00:05:18
El Platypo
Yes.
00:05:18
Red D
I mean, I like listening to us, but I guess it's because I like talking to us.
00:05:23
Jen
Oh,
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Red D
Yeah.
00:05:23
El Platypo
The lad sounds amazing. And, you know, the other two are pretty cool, too.
00:05:27
Jen
I'm just a bit scared to listen. Like I listened that one time, the first time we ever did one. And ah my expectations of hearing my own voice were, you know, extremely low.
00:05:39
Jen
And so actually I was pleasantly surprised. but But then since then, I've been afraid to listen again.
00:05:44
Red D
Yes, I mean, I wouldn't say... That makes sense. I mean, lot of people don't listen to themselves or watch themselves, as it turns out, as I've learned from all this TV rewatching podcast.
00:05:54
El Platypo
hmm
00:05:54
Red D
But um I don't think we said sound as bad as we fear. And yeah.
00:06:02
Jen
yeah as bad as you think in your head yeah
00:06:06
Red D
and Right. So back to the podcast. Initial reactions. Jenny, do you want to kick us off?
00:06:12
Jen
oh okay okay i mean you know, you guys, you know, I love Voyager. So I, I, I always pretend gone to me first because, uh, I love so many episodes, but unfortunately this is not one of them.
00:06:18
El Platypo
Hmm. Hmm.
00:06:26
Jen
So my initial reaction, when I saw it, I knew exactly which one it was because I'm like, Oh, so I don't know why I'm not blaming the episode, of the actors or any, anything about it, but it's, um, it's not massively one for me.
00:06:41
Jen
And because you can see the part one and I know it's one that I'm not so keen on and it's a double hitter. So I'm kind of like, oh, there's two of them.
00:06:52
Jen
So I'm very sorry that was my initial reaction. um
00:06:56
Red D
I'm sad we don't have like a giant disappointed sigh on the soundboard and then I can play it now.
00:07:00
Jen
ah I really, really tried to think of why, because I thought, you know, otherwise it's just, there's nothing really to talk about in it, is there?
00:07:03
El Platypo
Hmm. Hmm.
00:07:05
Red D
Very good.
00:07:13
Jen
But I, I'm not sure why, I just don't find it that interesting, these couple. what What about you two?
00:07:20
Red D
Yeah, Jamie, go ahead.
00:07:23
El Platypo
So actually, my reaction is actually quite positive, given the fact that the way in which I typically react to Star Trek episodes, which are doing the whole time travel thing, echoes the captain's resolution on and during this actual episode on the topic of...
00:07:39
Red D
you
00:07:44
El Platypo
actually, frankly, Star Trek episodes with the time travel thing, which is that her very first resolution on her first day in Starfleet is never to get caught in one of those godforsaken paradoxes.
00:07:55
El Platypo
Now, given that's how I feel about the time travel genre in general in Star
Nostalgia and Cultural Memories of 1996
00:08:00
El Platypo
Trek, I actually rather enjoyed this one. um Yeah, I thought it was interesting. It allowed a little bit of a chemistry builder of an episode so that you get to see the dynamics between people in you know a different environment.
00:08:14
El Platypo
um I found bits of it irritating, but nowhere one near as irritating as I normally find the time travel bits. And it was able to keep the plot progressing sufficiently quickly that I wasn't sort of dragged into the mire of, oh, for goodness sake, can we get back to the things that I love about Star Trek Voyager? um So that was cool. I really, really liked actually some of the awkwardness that is always generated when people do a time travel sort of scene.
00:08:44
El Platypo
um It actually worked and was played quite well. um And yeah, it gave us opportunities for new things like, for instance, Ensign Kim's first time in the chair.
00:08:59
Red D
Ah, yes. It's very first time. Still not promotion worthy, but, um, so this is, well, yes.
00:09:04
Jen
Thank you.
00:09:06
El Platypo
Says who?
00:09:08
Red D
So I think I'm probably maybe halfway between the two of you. Um, I think I was also a slightly bad mood when I started of watching and i was like, Oh, it's going to be hard work.
00:09:21
Red D
But then when they met in LA, did get sucked in and, um, And I don't know why, but I always liked, i mean, I've never seen her in anything else, but I'm like, ah Sarah Silverman, because, you know, she was a stand-up comedian. She is a stand-up comedian. i think she was in other things with TV, but I only ever saw maybe a bit of a stand-up. um And Ed Begley Jr., the guy who plays Henry, evil guy.
00:09:46
Red D
I've seen him in so many things growing up as a child. I tried to go through his, like, IMDB whatever to see what I really knew him from, but he's been in so many things. I think I just recognized his face from everything like touched by an angel and various other things. So I always love to see people.
00:10:05
Red D
There's something I really love about. I'm not that I've done this actively, but like tracking people's careers and realizing, Oh, they were in so many things.
00:10:08
El Platypo
In the context of...
00:10:12
Jen
Mm-hmm.
00:10:13
Red D
I saw them in one, but then I, you know, I don't know, like just like this, I find it.
00:10:16
El Platypo
Christopher Walken, for instance.
00:10:18
Red D
Yes, but people who are more like character actors or whatever that are just being on all these TV shows that you grew up and love. But I didn't really realize because i thought like as an actor you went to a show once and that was it and you never saw you again.
00:10:28
Red D
Like as a kid I really didn't understand all these things. but
00:10:32
El Platypo
Especially if you dine on that show. like Then you were definitely never going to be again.
00:10:34
Red D
Yeah, man, that's end of career. oh So yeah.
00:10:36
El Platypo
Yeah.
00:10:37
Red D
So
Villain Motivations and Time Travel Complexity
00:10:38
Red D
I did like the familiar faces.
00:10:40
Red D
um But okay, so I guess, Jenny, is it going to be tough for you to come up with some points to discuss this evening? Are you kidding
00:10:40
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:10:47
Jen
twice Yeah, I mean, is it...
00:10:48
Red D
like I guess you can throw some bad things in, but you kick us off?
00:10:53
Jen
Yeah, sure. i mean, it is a weird one, though, because normally if I don't like an episode, I still have quite a lot of things to say. Maybe bad things. um I did struggle with this one.
00:11:04
Jen
Do you know what it is When Jamie was speaking, there was something you said which, um I don't know, like initiated this thought, but I think maybe it's just the fact that they're not I like Voyager because they're on Voyager and in space and that's the setting.
00:11:22
Jen
And a lot of this is just like the setting as if you were watching a show in about LA, you know, and maybe that's what it is.
00:11:27
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:11:31
Jen
It's not that it's like a bad episode. It's just not something I'd necessarily choose to watch if it was a show in that setting. That would be less interesting. So it might just be that.
00:11:40
Red D
Yes, because that was my huge complaint about Picard, the series that came out of it. Was that so much of it was set on Earth. i was like, what is the point of this?
00:11:47
Jen
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
00:11:49
Red D
What is the actual point? So that makes sense to me.
00:11:51
Jen
Yeah. Yeah. It might just be that. I might, because I've got so few points, I might use that as my first point.
00:11:59
Red D
Yeah, I think that's a great, great first point. I know you've only got three, so let's ration them out.
00:12:04
Jen
um'm I'm sure more will come to me as we talk, but but yeah.
00:12:06
Red D
I'm sure.
00:12:08
Jen
Thanks, Red.
00:12:08
Red D
ah Jamie, over to you. how do you want to What favorite bits, annoying bits, new bits did you want to discuss?
00:12:13
El Platypo
no. so I mean, i actually got one of my points in earlier about the description, the captain sort of having a very, very clear thing about the fact that of all the situations she doesn't want to get into,
00:12:26
El Platypo
ah the very first one she decided that she didn't was a godforsaken time loop paradox. um And I, leaving aside that sort of caption, how I felt about the time travel trope typically, ooh, alliteration, I like what I've done with that note. um I just found it, I find it adds a nice bit of humanity to the captain's character to actually find there are some situations she doesn't relish getting into as much as she, you know,
00:12:53
El Platypo
plays that line like, yeah, of course, no sweat, hair flick and all that sort of jazz, but um it's nice that she positions some things as not her wanting to do anything about them or actually find herself in them.
00:13:04
Red D
That is interesting. Jenny, do you have a reaction to that? Or do you agree?
00:13:11
Jen
I think it's a really good point actually, yeah, because it makes it a bit more realistic. I mean no one loves everything, do they?
00:13:18
Red D
Yeah, I think it is.
00:13:19
Jen
Mainway hates time travel.
00:13:20
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:13:21
Red D
I think it is realistic. But to me, it's bit like, but you're a captain. You should be dedicated to all forms of problems that you, but but I think your reaction is more normal.
00:13:29
El Platypo
Oh yeah, but...
00:13:33
Red D
My reaction is more
Humor and Chaos in Time Travel Narratives
00:13:35
Red D
people that have to be perfect, which is unhealthy.
00:13:38
El Platypo
What the hell? People don't have to be perfect, that's what makes them people.
00:13:41
Red D
I learned how to be a person from watching TV. So I needed them to be very good role models.
00:13:48
Jen
in
00:13:49
Red D
So that's interesting to me.
00:13:51
Jen
I mean that's I mean friends is basically how we learned to have relationships and friendships I mean that's how we grew up yeah
00:13:55
Red D
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:13:57
El Platypo
let's say
00:14:00
Red D
um Anything else to add there, Janie? Or should I move? Should I jump jump in with a point?
00:14:05
El Platypo
but No, you you let's let's go to you. i feel like you really like this episode, so I'd really like to hear some of why you like this episode.
00:14:13
Red D
Oh, I'm not sure. But first of all, we're in 1996, baby, which now looking back was pretty sweet time to be a alive.
00:14:21
El Platypo
Yeah, yeah.
00:14:23
Red D
um So I wanted to know, I mean, I think I guess I was 15. um Don't remember anything, but do you remember 1996? Do you remember anything? I guess you were a bit younger.
00:14:33
Red D
So maybe, I don't know, like any fun memories or fun bands or favorite stuff?
00:14:35
El Platypo
yeah oh
00:14:41
Jen
I feel like that might have been around the time of sort of Spice Girls, um maybe um Boy Zone.
00:14:44
Red D
Yes, that's what I was just thinking.
00:14:50
El Platypo
eura ninety six
00:14:52
Red D
There we go.
00:14:53
El Platypo
yep
00:14:54
Jen
it ninety yeah Wasn't 96?
00:14:58
Jen
It does ring a bell, but I can't think why, like in terms of pop pop culture.
00:15:01
Red D
there a World Cup or Euro?
00:15:02
El Platypo
and was No, there there was there was a European Cup in in England where England actually reached a semi-final before then, you know, twathing themselves out against Germany.
00:15:02
Red D
Oh.
00:15:09
El Platypo
Stuart Pearce.
00:15:10
Jen
Oh, was it that one? It was the one where Beckham did the foot thing and he got a card.
00:15:13
El Platypo
Oh, no, no, that was that was, I think that was the 1998 World Cup. This one was Stuart Pearce. No, not Stuart Pearce. Gareth Southgate missing the penalty against Germany.
00:15:24
Jen
oh
00:15:24
Red D
How long is gas off keeping alive?
00:15:25
Jen
Oh.
00:15:26
Red D
Oh no, he's a coach now, right? No, my manager.
00:15:27
Jen
Yeah, yeah.
00:15:27
El Platypo
Yeah, yeah.
00:15:28
Red D
Okay.
00:15:28
El Platypo
he He isn't just some elemental figure as much as his coverage in the English press might suggest he is.
00:15:33
Red D
Yeah.
00:15:34
El Platypo
And I love him dearly. Hmm.
00:15:35
Jen
I mean, him becoming coach was a bit of a, um like it makes you feel old I mean because it's the first time I think that not that I'm a particular football follower I'm not at all but did watch I guess the the world cups growing up you know because everyone does in the UK even if you don't like football um and no actually remembering someone from my childhood who was playing and is now coach made me feel little bit
00:15:41
Red D
Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:42
El Platypo
Hmm. Hmm.
00:15:47
Red D
yeah
00:15:59
Red D
Fair enough. Fair enough. ah Yeah, I wish I could remember a bit more. I just think maybe 1996 was the probably around the time I started going to the
Voyager's Impact on 1996 Culture and Technology
00:16:10
Red D
socials at the boys' schools, and but which was very exciting.
00:16:13
Red D
ah
00:16:14
Jen
Yep, yep, exciting times.
00:16:15
El Platypo
Socials at the boys' schools.
00:16:17
Red D
At the boys' schools and dancing to, like, Faithless and...
00:16:20
El Platypo
Did they ever go to socials at the girls' schools?
00:16:23
Red D
They didn't really host them, I think.
00:16:25
El Platypo
Aren't they?
00:16:25
Red D
But, like, they were at...
00:16:26
El Platypo
That's a bit sexist.
00:16:28
Red D
I'm not sure why, but Ronda Walsh, Saks, Bishops, they all hosted the socials.
00:16:33
Jen
Oh Red, I don't know if you were a fan, but I recently watched something which basically did a rundown of all of these songs from Steps
00:16:43
El Platypo
Oh.
00:16:43
Jen
You remember Steps?
00:16:45
Red D
I remember steps.
00:16:46
Jen
Oh my goodness. I think that must have been, yeah, back in the 1996.
00:16:47
El Platypo
No.
00:16:50
Red D
Yes, i'm sure there's peak steps time.
00:16:50
Jen
That would have been the time.
00:16:51
El Platypo
What's...
00:16:51
Jen
Peak Steps, yeah.
00:16:52
El Platypo
hmm. Was Oasis Reblur a thing back then as well?
00:16:56
Red D
Yes, probably.
00:16:58
Jen
I think so. I think that was my older sister was into them at the time. i think I was bit too young.
00:17:04
Red D
Yeah.
00:17:05
Jen
But yeah, definitely around that time.
00:17:07
Red D
1996. Good times, I think. And I did enjoy...
00:17:10
Jen
All the best movies in the ninety s
00:17:10
Red D
So they... Yes. Sometimes people post on social media, like, in this week, one week in 1995, these top like amazing films came out.
00:17:22
Red D
You're like, wow, that was... don't know. and I'm going to make something up now, like Shawshank Redemption, Sister Act, and Jurassic Park or something. like like
00:17:30
Jen
Oh yeah.
00:17:30
El Platypo
Hmm. Hmm.
00:17:31
Red D
Probably those did come out the same week, but you know what mean.
00:17:34
Jen
Yeah. Oh.
00:17:35
Red D
But I did, and for me, it was like, oh, 1996, because I guess that's when, like, in real life, when the episode was made, I think, I guess, or somewhere around there. um I'm just, but I did like the twist where they, like, at the scene, up like, they've been
Character Surprises and Cultural References
00:17:49
Red D
torn through that vortex, whatever thing, and they see Earth, and I guess you're like oh, my God, but they're in the right place at the wrong time, because they're now 1996. And I did enjoy Tom's line, which was, like, when...
00:18:03
Red D
a case, Janeway. He's like, oh, yeah, you're the expert in the late 20th century or early whatever stuff. And he's like, what what do we need to fit in or whatever? He's like, to blend in, we need nice clothes, fast cars, and loads of money or something, which I'm like, I think that's still accurate.
00:18:14
El Platypo
Yeah.
00:18:15
Red D
Yeah,
00:18:16
El Platypo
Yeah, isn't that accurate in Voyager's Day?
00:18:16
Jen
Thank you.
00:18:19
Red D
it's still the case. So i enjoyed that little line.
00:18:20
El Platypo
And actually, could I engage with that question? just When they go down in 1996, baby, ah not the title of anyone's sex tape, do they have loads of money, the Voyager crew?
00:18:37
Red D
No, there's no money in a the Starfleet.
00:18:41
El Platypo
Can't they, like, replicate it or forge it?
00:18:44
Red D
Yes, they can.
00:18:44
El Platypo
i'm just I'm just looking at you know the opportunities for exploitation here.
00:18:45
Red D
That's true. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's a good point because
00:18:49
El Platypo
Just in case I ever find myself in that situation. Not that you know secretly conducting negotiations with an alien ship off Earth here.
00:18:57
Red D
Because Jenny, I'm sure you'll probably remember this, like they've eliminated the concept of money in the 24th century or something, but you're right.
00:19:03
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:19:03
Red D
Like they, they had to like get a vehicle by pretending to take it for a test drive, but they could have maybe just replicated some money before they went down.
00:19:07
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:19:12
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:19:13
Red D
Good point, Jenny.
00:19:13
Jen
That's a really good point.
00:19:15
El Platypo
That's what you keep me here for along with the face.
00:19:18
Red D
ah of Jenny, do you want to take over?
00:19:22
Jen
Yeah, well, I had so a few points and Jamie already stole one.
00:19:27
Red D
Sorry.
00:19:27
Jen
And I just, you know, he, yeah, because I also said, Harry in the captain's chair.
00:19:34
Red D
Oh, but you.
00:19:34
Jen
Hurrah. We love Harry in the captain's chair. He's getting some captaining experience. And, you know, that's a good thing considering he's basically not going to get a promotion for seven years. so
00:19:47
Red D
Join the club, Harry. Yeah.
00:19:50
El Platypo
Does anyone get promoted in that seven years?
00:19:53
Jen
Well, how can they? Because they need everyone to do their job in order to make the ship run.
00:19:55
Red D
yeah
00:19:58
Jen
Because they don't have anyone to replace the junior...
00:19:58
El Platypo
yeah, but I mean, preume presumably so some mid-level minions without plot armour die at some stage and folk need to sort of shuffle up the career ladder.
00:20:08
Jen
Oh, wow, that's brutal.
00:20:08
Red D
And, yeah.
00:20:09
Jen
If someone dies, then you get a promotion.
00:20:11
Red D
Oh, gosh, okay, yes. I don't want that promotion.
00:20:13
El Platypo
Hey, we've we've all heard of Dead Men's Shoes.
00:20:13
Red D
That's Jenny, do you think Harry made the right call to go lower, closer to Earth?
00:20:15
El Platypo
It's a thing because it's a thing.
00:20:24
Red D
Wow, excuse that very scientific terminology. So that he could beam up the captain and Chakotay, but with the risk of being seen by the Los Angelians.
00:20:28
El Platypo
The angels.
00:20:35
Jen
I mean I was quite surprised he chose to do that actually don't know would Jane may have done that
00:20:36
El Platypo
the angels
00:20:42
Red D
That's true, she would have. Leave no crew member behind. Sacrifice everyone for the few. That is her motto.
00:20:48
Jen
well but yeah
00:20:48
El Platypo
She did say his timing was impeccable. And if Janeway is the standard of leadership, then if Janeway is the standard and we aspire to meet that, then he is he did the right thing.
00:20:50
Red D
She was happy with his decision. No.
00:21:00
Jen
Yeah, I mean, i guess I wouldn't have expected him to leave them behind or anything, but maybe given them a bit more time. do you know i mean?
00:21:08
Red D
Yeah.
00:21:09
Jen
i don't know if if I was, it was clearly the right decision, but if I was in his shoes, I guess I might have thought I'll give them more time, which clearly would have been the wrong wrong call. But you know, sometimes they do have episodes where they say, give them more time, trust them.
00:21:21
Jen
so and then And then that works out.
00:21:22
El Platypo
yeah god stop cramping her style disobeyed a direct order harry for him for heaven's sake
00:21:24
Jen
So...
00:21:29
Jen
I'm just glad that he made a call and it was right.
00:21:29
Red D
But Lana wasn't very helpful. Yeah.
00:21:32
El Platypo
what did balana say in this situation what a way to take responsibility onto yourself oh dear license
00:21:34
Red D
She was like, it's your decision. You decide.
00:21:40
Jen
Yeah, I reckon that was a um ah artistic license kind of thing. Like they wanted to show that it was gonna be Harry's decision, you know, to make sure that he got the full credit when it went right. Because in reality,
00:21:53
Jen
I mean, if you're quite junior to the captain chair and you've got all of these really expert people around you, you would want to include them in the decision, I would think.
00:21:54
El Platypo
uh
00:21:57
El Platypo
sister
00:22:00
Red D
Yes. Yeah.
00:22:00
Jen
Like, yes, the the final decision rests with you, but you would take all the expert advice, surely.
00:22:00
El Platypo
this assistant it
00:22:03
Red D
Yeah.
00:22:06
Jen
Head engineer, you know, but you did good in the end.
00:22:09
Red D
yeah Agreed.
00:22:11
El Platypo
assist
00:22:11
Red D
He did good. um So Jamie, any next point?
00:22:18
El Platypo
Right, I just want to talk to the fact that Captain Branson's immediate realm of insult for a police officer who he feels is over-employing the powers of state is quasi-Cardassian totalitarian.
00:22:33
El Platypo
And I just think that we need to dig into that a little bit more deeply. Because I could um i can understand Cardassian quasi-totalitarian, but I can't understand quasi-Cardassian totalitarian.
00:22:47
Red D
No, yes, the order.
00:22:50
El Platypo
Yes.
00:22:50
Red D
Because he doesn't look Cardassian.
00:22:53
El Platypo
No, he's not.
00:22:54
Jen
Maybe that's why he says crazy.
00:22:56
Red D
Yeah.
00:22:56
Jen
He's like, you've got you look you you look human, but then...
00:22:56
El Platypo
Well, yeah, but is there anything about him?
00:22:58
Red D
Oh, he is wearing a grey uniform, isn't he? and on
00:23:01
El Platypo
No, he's wearing a thin blue line.
00:23:03
Red D
Like ah the police uniform.
00:23:05
El Platypo
Yeah, it's not grey, it's dark blue.
00:23:05
Red D
But I think it was... Is it? Okay. Because I was going to say it's grey uniform.
00:23:08
El Platypo
Yeah.
00:23:10
Red D
Maybe it's similar to how Cardassians...
00:23:11
El Platypo
Well, I did my research as well for this episode, actually, Red, and I found out that the LA police uniform is a deep navy blue as opposed to grey in anticipation of precisely that point being made.
00:23:14
Red D
Gosh, Jamie, you remember I don't like it when you do your research.
00:23:24
El Platypo
um
00:23:25
Red D
Just try to be helpful.
00:23:27
El Platypo
Just trying to stand my ground.
00:23:27
Jen
Wow, that is some research.
00:23:29
El Platypo
I've realised a lot of people have been pushing me around on this podcast.
00:23:32
Red D
Wow, you've changed since you've had that operation.
00:23:34
Jen
He's got more time on his hands.
00:23:34
Red D
gosh.
00:23:35
El Platypo
I just realised I've got to live life to the full. i've i've
00:23:38
Red D
You
00:23:39
El Platypo
I've lost myself slightly in trying to not be annoying. I need to go back to my roots.
00:23:42
Red D
need to go back.
00:23:43
El Platypo
Make Jamie Grace again.
00:23:44
Red D
So what do you...
00:23:45
El Platypo
M'njka.
00:23:47
Red D
make jamie great again oh dear make jamie less annoying more annoying again make jamie
00:23:48
El Platypo
M'njka.
00:23:55
El Platypo
You only get to say that if you can say the acronym, because I came straight out with M'njka, because I did my research before this podcast, and I found out that Make Jamie Grace Again spelled M-G-G-A, pronounced M'njka.
00:23:55
Jen
Revert all the personal growth.
00:24:08
Red D
you said a lot of research so what do you think why do you think the line is written that way
00:24:12
El Platypo
Well, I'm just throwing out to the group to crowdsource an answer because that's the most annoying thing that I can do in this situation.
00:24:16
Red D
I tried to answer.
00:24:17
El Platypo
But I actually think that thelo writers thelo right just the the screenwriters either made an error there or
00:24:18
Jen
Thank you.
00:24:27
El Platypo
or it's supposed to show that he's not in his right mind to suggest that someone would be quasi-Cardassian totalitarian as opposed to Cardassian quasi-totalitarian.
00:24:38
Red D
Yes, I was thinking of him. His mind is juggled.
00:24:40
El Platypo
Maybe his mind is addled from the guilt of having responsibility for the deaths of billions of everyone he knows on his shoulder for 30 years.
00:24:42
Red D
Addled. Yeah, juggled.
00:24:49
El Platypo
I think we should be a bit more sympathetic here, people.
00:24:52
Red D
Jenny.
00:24:53
Jen
So I, I have just done, well I was busy doing my own research you see.
00:24:53
Red D
Hand raised.
00:24:54
El Platypo
I can't believe no one slated me for that last statement.
00:25:00
El Platypo
Oh, God, were you going to get the LA police officer seat uniform?
00:25:00
Jen
So here's
00:25:04
El Platypo
Yeah.
00:25:04
Red D
This is not a research podcast.
00:25:04
Jen
the thing.
00:25:06
Red D
Never mind.
00:25:06
El Platypo
is Yeah.
00:25:08
Jen
But here's the thing, because i couldn't really understand you guys, because I was like, I don't understand what they're saying, because to me, the way he said it is the way that makes sense. I don't understand why it would be the other way. So I looked up right, and quasi means according to Google.
00:25:20
Jen
um Apparently, but not really, i.e. seemingly. So he is not really, he's not really to Kardashian, which is very clear.
00:25:26
El Platypo
Seemingly Cardassian.
00:25:29
Jen
So it makes sense.
00:25:30
El Platypo
he's not but He's not seemingly Cardassian either.
00:25:33
Jen
Yeah, he's seemingly Kardashian from his behaviour because he's acting all authoritarian.
00:25:35
Red D
Yes.
00:25:39
El Platypo
Hang on. Hang on. night Neither all totalitarians are Cardassian, nor are all Cardassians totalitarians.
00:25:41
Jen
He's definitely not really Kardashian.
00:25:46
Red D
No, all Cardassians are totalitarian.
00:25:49
El Platypo
What, even the ones on Deep Space Nine?
00:25:53
Red D
Yes, you because you never know really if that tailor's good or bad. And he's the, uh, hmm.
00:26:03
Jen
But he doesn't, it he looks human, doesn't he?
00:26:03
Red D
Not to paint all the Cardassians.
00:26:05
El Platypo
Yeah, dude. what why you being so Why are you being so xenophobic? Just paint them all with one brush. Someone stand up for the right to cut that thing.
00:26:13
Red D
Oh yeah, we also meet that guy's daughter.
00:26:14
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:26:16
Red D
She's very nice. That's true. Sorry, Jenny, you were saying.
00:26:21
Jen
Oh, just that, I mean, i think of it like he looks human. So he's, he saying, right, well, he's human. So he would only be seemingly Kardashian, not apparently, but not really.
00:26:32
Red D
And as you say, it doesn't have to be because of his appearance, but because he's- he's apparent, I think, that they've had interactions before. So he might just not like someone ah you know, trying to control his behavior because he's a nuisance on the streets kind of thing.
00:26:50
Red D
um Sorry, that's how he's portrayed.
00:26:51
El Platypo
That's a nuisance on the on the streets, fire between the sheets.
00:26:55
Red D
Yes, I was like, who's going to finish that for us? oh
00:27:00
El Platypo
Now, in the interests of backing up my research, I have just posted a photo of the LAPD formal uniform on the group, and you will find that it is a very dark navy blue.
00:27:00
Red D
um
00:27:10
El Platypo
So it has to be about his behaviour.
00:27:11
Red D
that's not what the character was wearing i'm sure he was wearing a lighter gray top or lighter top and darker pants i can't be 100 sure on the color
00:27:13
El Platypo
It was! it was!
00:27:19
Jen
Oh, see, I thought it was navy blue navy blue police uniform.
00:27:22
El Platypo
Yeah. Oh my goodness.
00:27:24
Red D
gosh maybe i just maybe the like mention of kardassian just transformed my experience of that
00:27:28
El Platypo
Yeah. Jeepers, dudes.
00:27:30
Jen
Mm.
00:27:30
El Platypo
How prejudiced is that? She hears Kardashian, she thinks, great. Sorry. i'm I'm desperately trying to play the alien card on someone tonight.
00:27:42
Red D
Okay, my turn, i think. um Okay, back to, um i mean, I'm still in early 1996 LA. I clearly want to go to there. But um I did like Tuvok's comment when they beamed down to the planet and they tried to blend in.
00:27:57
Red D
where're like and they I think, are they on Venice Beach or something? I can't actually remember. Maybe it's not even LA. But, you know, they're surrounded by the eccentrics of 1996 LA. Tuvok's like, we could of just worn our Starfleet uniforms.
00:28:09
Red D
No one would have even noticed. Like, And I love that comment.
00:28:11
Jen
Mm-hmm.
00:28:13
Red D
And I think that also applies in London because you can wear whatever you want. You can go out on your pajamas. You can go out in your... Yesterday I saw dapper gentleman in like houndstooth suit, houndstooth hat, like a black and white houndstooth tie.
00:28:27
El Platypo
hell hell's tooth
00:28:30
Red D
Houndstooth, I think is the...
00:28:32
El Platypo
what is okay
00:28:32
Red D
Like a black and white check, let's just say. But like his suit, his jacket, his hat, then a purple tie.
00:28:34
El Platypo
okay
00:28:38
Red D
He looked great.
00:28:39
Jen
Yeah, you can walk your ferret.
00:28:39
Red D
was like... You can walk your parrots.
00:28:42
Jen
Seen that in London.
00:28:43
Red D
You can
00:28:43
Jen
Yep.
00:28:44
El Platypo
Yeah. You can walk your little crow that you keep in your pocket on a leash. i've I've seen that too.
00:28:50
Red D
You can wear like...
00:28:54
Jen
Yeah. and Oh, you can dress up with your friend in an entirely covering your entire body head to toe as a dinosaur. and stand stand on top of a road bridge with passing traffic underneath you and pretend to have dinosaur T-Rex fights.
00:29:04
El Platypo
On New Year fighting.
00:29:10
El Platypo
well Seen that as well, yep.
00:29:11
Jen
I've seen that.
00:29:12
El Platypo
New Year's, multiple times.
00:29:13
Red D
Did you see that or were you the dinosaurs?
00:29:14
Jen
Oh no, no we we saw it. Yeah, very distracting when you're driving.
00:29:19
El Platypo
I'll just say that one year we saw it.
00:29:21
Red D
Oh. So I like that comment and it just made me think of London.
00:29:25
El Platypo
I can't believe we're not leaping on the one year we saw it past that, but anyway.
00:29:30
Red D
Well, and then the next year you were those dinosaurs, is that what you were?
00:29:33
El Platypo
i and i I don't answer questions, that's what I do.
00:29:37
Red D
Okay. I'm trying now to think of, i've I mean, I'm sure I've seen a very, very exciting things. I think I've mentioned them all. So back to you, Jenny.
00:29:48
Red D
I know you're maybe on point two of three. ah
00:29:51
Jen
Yep, yep, I'm running out rapidly. um
00:29:53
El Platypo
If you run out of time this episode, just, you know, start repeating what gets posted repeatedly in the chat.
00:30:00
Jen
No, you know, I never have a problem, i never have a problem increasing the points during the chat because you guys make such interesting points and then I think, I think of more things to say.
00:30:00
El Platypo
It's it's it's a moment.
00:30:10
El Platypo
Aww.
00:30:11
Jen
um ne Well, fortunately, fortunately, or perhaps unfortunately, the second point is very long. So, um let me see if I can try and
00:30:17
Red D
Great. Go for it.
00:30:20
Jen
say it in a much more succinct way. um So yeah, when i watched this when was younger, I could never understand why the Starlink character doesn't just listen to what they say and then say, oh, right, okay, well, yeah, I won't take this time ship into the future then, because after all, he's gonna blow himself up as well as the solar system.
00:30:42
Red D
Oh, good point.
00:30:42
Jen
And I don't know why he, does he, so the question was like, does he meet these people immediately think they're lying to him? and
00:30:50
Red D
No, I have a question. I have a response, but when you finish, sorry.
00:30:53
Jen
Okay.
00:30:53
El Platypo
Yeah, stop interrupting, Red. God, can't believe you.
00:30:56
Red D
Just raised my hand.
00:30:57
El Platypo
Sorry. sorry
00:30:59
Jen
No, I mean, I know because the thing is, yeah, I may just have missed something that is, you know, some, some storyline that i aspect that I have ah failed to recognize, which would change this point entirely.
00:31:00
El Platypo
if
00:31:14
Jen
Because what then was went on to thinking about was how watching it as an adult, um I don't really, that doesn't really come to me as a question because I can just imagine the sort of person that would just refuse to listen to any information.
00:31:29
Jen
um And I think Janeway says at the beginning before they meet this guy that he clearly has a huge ego and that makes it very easy to imagine the kind of person who would actually go to their own destruction rather than listen to unheeded information, even if it's in their best interest.
00:31:35
Red D
Yes. Yeah.
00:31:44
El Platypo
Hmm. Hmm.
00:31:47
Red D
ah Yeah. I mean,
00:31:49
Jen
um Maybe I'm jaded from meeting terrible people as I grew up. I don't
00:31:55
Red D
no, but I think that's so interesting that like, I find that really interesting because as a kid, I a hundred percent understand you like that is so dumb. Why are they doing that? And then like, as an adult, you still think that's dumb.
00:32:02
El Platypo
Hmm. Hmm.
00:32:05
Red D
Why are they doing that? But you're less surprised, I guess.
00:32:08
Jen
know. Hmm.
00:32:08
Red D
um But I want to interrupt.
00:32:10
Jen
That is much clearer way.
00:32:11
Red D
Yes, sir, go ahead.
00:32:12
Jen
Now I was gonna say that's a but much better, clearer way of explaining it rather than my mumble jumble of words.
00:32:15
Red D
Because
00:32:18
Jen
Thank you.
00:32:19
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:32:20
Red D
but because I was also going to say what you what you said reminded me of all the, you know, true true crime podcasts ah that I listened to and they were interviewing hosts of true crime podcasts and they were like saying is there a pattern, a type of person that is more, you know, have you identified a pattern of the people that are willing to commit a serious crime very often against someone they are actually in a relationship with let's say and they were like no it can be anybody, like you know there's no pattern but someone was like yes but a lot of people think they're going to get away with it
00:32:42
El Platypo
hmm
00:32:54
Red D
So I think there's that element of criminality in this character, whether it's intentionally or not, where he thinks he's smarter than everyone else and he can somehow profit from what he has and it won't end badly for him. He'll like, I'll smart everybody in the end.
00:33:07
Red D
Even though, sorry, I'm always relating a lot of stuff to true crime.
00:33:11
El Platypo
ah sister
00:33:11
Red D
But um maybe that's an element. He just thinks he's smarter than everyone else and he'll figure a way to not get blown up.
00:33:16
Jen
Yeah.
00:33:17
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:33:18
Jen
It's even without any reasoning. That's the thing which gets me, like it's not even...
00:33:22
Red D
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:22
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:33:23
Jen
Yeah.
00:33:24
Red D
No, because if they had to stop and reason, then they would realise that they are wrong.
00:33:28
Jen
yeah
00:33:28
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:33:30
Jen
yeah That is scary though that the true crime says, no, it can be anyone. You can murder your spouse. I'd be worried if I was you, Jamie.
00:33:40
Red D
Especially after he has she had to look after you all week.
00:33:42
El Platypo
Yeah, I'm vulnerable right now, man. If she gets me now, there's no one going to be able to help me.
00:33:47
Red D
ah Jamie, I also have to ask, what does MAGA stand for?
00:33:52
El Platypo
Margo.
00:33:52
Red D
That's... Ma- no, M-O-G-A, the picture that you sent in the chat that I'm trying to incorporate in live.
00:33:58
El Platypo
No, I didn't send... I sent MJGA. Dude, it's in the chat!
00:34:01
Red D
M, is that a J?
00:34:03
Jen
That's the make Jamie great again.
00:34:04
El Platypo
dude it's um it's in the chat
00:34:07
Red D
I'm looking at it, that looks like an O in the middle, M?
00:34:09
El Platypo
No, no, not the WhatsApp chat. It's it's in the actual this chat.
00:34:11
Red D
Yeah, I know, but I'm looking at the WhatsApp chat.
00:34:14
El Platypo
do you
00:34:14
Red D
This is...
00:34:15
El Platypo
i would like I am offended. i love it. I can be so annoyed right now. I'm offended do you think that I would be that bad at handwriting that I would spell it one way repeated times in one chat and then get it wrong the one time I write it down.
00:34:20
Red D
Oh wait.
00:34:34
Red D
I'm confused and my phone is running out of battery. So let's move on.
00:34:37
Jen
you
00:34:38
El Platypo
Yeah, and honestly, Red, can't we state a
00:34:42
Red D
Okay. So let me open this again. so that was Jenny. Jamie, your turn.
00:34:47
El Platypo
Oh, gosh. I actually need to bring sanity to this. Okay, so I had a bit of a thing throughout this episode, which is that basically um whilst I got past the whole time travel of Trump, there were still times when I found it annoying, and I ended up basically going with... like who's neelix now like who's doing something really really ah you just just very very silly indeed um and in the first instance the holder of the neelix currently neelix spoon is whoever basically plays the part of neelix giving away the fact they're actually you know
00:35:31
El Platypo
a landing party from a ship to the people who've got no idea about that whatsoever. And it sort of goes from Branson, and this is the worst insight you can throw him his way, trying to be Neelix deliberately by telling everyone he's from a different planet and just not being taken seriously. So that's failed Neelix.
00:35:49
El Platypo
um So from then...
00:35:51
Red D
By Neelix, you mean the person that sets off all the chaos in the episode?
00:35:55
El Platypo
By being discovered, yes, as the member of the landing party.
00:35:57
Red D
Oh, okay.
00:35:59
El Platypo
So then it goes from Branson to Tom when he's answering Sarah Silverman, asking which college he went to, and he goes, Starfleet Academy, somewhere on the East Coast.
00:36:10
El Platypo
And I'm like, okay, you're Neelix now. To Neelix, just for, like... being taken by the ultimate soap opera who's the father cliche, ah to me then just ending up writing in despair that Voyager is Neelix as it gets seen for 10k up in the atmosphere randomly doing flybys a la Top Gun over the building of Mr. Starling.
00:36:38
El Platypo
So many people were Neelix this episode, I feel.
00:36:41
Red D
Jamie, that was some very impressive, I guess not literature literary, but TV analysis, I have to say.
00:36:48
Jen
Mm-hmm.
00:36:48
Red D
um
00:36:49
El Platypo
I'm quite... i mean, I'm offended by the fact you don't think I'm capable of impressive analysis. Always the tone of surprise.
00:36:54
Red D
and never said you would have would, never said that, but that is a next level analysis, I think.
00:37:01
El Platypo
Well...
00:37:02
Red D
I was like, of course the X loves soap operas. That's hilarious. And I love the scene of Voyager flying over LA. Makes me happy. Jamie's like, oh.
00:37:12
El Platypo
wonder how they I wonder how they're getting discovered this away mission. They don't have Neelix down there to do the job for them.
00:37:21
Red D
So that is really interesting. If I was smarter, I would come up with a better response. But I think that was really interesting.
00:37:29
El Platypo
Sorry.
00:37:30
Red D
Make Jamie great again. Now, speaking of Captain...
00:37:35
Red D
Braxton or Brattonston.
00:37:37
El Platypo
Branston.
00:37:37
Red D
So, um, uh, well, actually you had a few things to say about him. So maybe I'll wrap them all up. I did really feel for him when we find out he's been LA for like 30 years.
00:37:48
Red D
Has he been homeless the whole time?
00:37:49
El Platypo
Indeed, that's desperate.
00:37:50
Red D
And he was sent to an institution.
00:37:52
El Platypo
That's hard lines.
00:37:53
Red D
I was like, that's a huge, that, yeah, that's a lot to take in because it happened due to this time walk basically.
00:37:56
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:38:01
El Platypo
Hmm. Hmm.
00:38:02
Red D
um I did think he reminded me of Gandalf when in the moment where he was like, Voyager fools. And it reminded me of run you fools or whatever from Gandalf.
00:38:11
El Platypo
Hmm just just accept that you must all die now for my future you fools
00:38:18
Red D
ah And then when he was explaining A to B to c did anyone understand what you're saying? Because I was making notes. I was like, can anyone explain the sequence of events that mean they, everything lands up being exploded?
00:38:33
El Platypo
yeah Yes, but he's incorrect by his own logic.
00:38:33
Jen
I'll try, I'll try yeah so he's odd so it's a loop and they don't know what came first chicken or egg so
00:38:34
Red D
Jenny! Yes. yes
00:38:43
Jen
um A. There was a massive explosion, solar system destroyed in his time and in the debris they found evidence of Voyager and then B. He went back in time to try and destroy a Voyager to stop it happening and then C. By doing that um he was put into this situation where he was taken to 90s LA, Voyager followed him and met him and his time ship which led back to the situation A, i.e. Voyager and his time ship colliding to create the explosion.
00:39:24
Jen
that right?
00:39:24
Red D
Great. Yeah, I think that is right. i That makes sense to me. But as I said, I wasn't... Jamie, you you think there's a flaw in the logic of the this Branston?
00:39:33
El Platypo
I do, but I mostly feel that way because Branson is a character from Downton Abbey. No, mean...
00:39:43
Jen
Bye.
00:39:46
El Platypo
i mean The logic breaks down when it keeps trying to switch responsibility between Voyager and his space probe. And because to take action as direct as destroying Voyager, they would need to be the direct causal agent as opposed to just on the scene of and the evidence pointing actually to his vehicle.
00:40:10
El Platypo
um And it's also not sufficient to allow him to use the trope of, yes, but actually no, but actually yes, when he's asked, is actually Voyager's fault?
00:40:22
El Platypo
It's not. It's his for trying to destroy them to prevent it that actually does it. um But I suppose in the throes of 30-year-old trauma and insanity, he's probably not ascribing...
00:40:39
El Platypo
ethical causality, particularly rationally. So I suppose that's acceptable from a plot writing perspective.
00:40:48
Red D
Again, sign up for Jamie's Philosophy Podcast, available on other channels.
00:40:49
El Platypo
sorry i Sorry, I trained off
00:40:54
El Platypo
that. sir Was that a bit rambling? I beg your pardon.
00:40:57
Red D
No, I liked it.
00:40:57
Jen
No, made complete sense.
00:40:57
Red D
I liked it. I think you guys really helped I had that question. So back to you, Jenny.
00:41:06
Jen
Oh, well, my mind is far away in the philosophical, yeah, yeah, the loop and yeah, I mean, there's this other episode, I don't know if we've done it yet or if it's coming up, where they get stuck in the, it's like Groundhog Day, isn't it?
00:41:09
El Platypo
Ethical causality.
00:41:20
Jen
It reminds me of that left episode, can't remember very well now, but like,
00:41:23
Red D
oh oh
00:41:24
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:41:25
Jen
and then somehow one of them realizes that they're repeating and then they have to try and break out of it and this' that's quite a good episode.
00:41:30
Red D
yes
00:41:31
Jen
Anyway, I won't ruin that one by chatting on about now. Yeah, I did start to run out a little bit of things to say at this point. So the only thing I could think to point put down was um I thought it was a weird decision that when they first went through the time, what do you call it?
00:41:49
Jen
to the I don't know what it, do you know, does anyone know what calls? Where they they get pulled in into 1996 through some kind of space chasm?
00:41:58
Red D
Yes, but they they didn't they didn't use like normal terms.
00:41:58
Jen
I don't
00:42:01
Red D
They like said, I don't know, disturbed protons or something. i don't I don't know. So I also don't know the terms.
00:42:06
Jen
know. it was something like that. Anyway, they go through, crash, find, wallop, and then ah the scene is everyone recovering and you know getting up from the floor. And Jamie stands up from the floor and um you know starts doing her hair.
00:42:20
El Platypo
ah Also, does anyone see that weird ball thing on the floor as well when she's getting up from it?
00:42:21
Jen
What? What? Why? What?
00:42:27
El Platypo
There's a weird sort of one of those suckery balls that maybe I think she's been serving.
00:42:28
Red D
Oh.
00:42:31
Jen
Oh, it's the tennis ball. You know, she takes, it doesn't.
00:42:34
El Platypo
It doesn't look like a tennis ball.
00:42:34
Red D
Yeah.
00:42:35
El Platypo
It looks like a ball of suckers.
00:42:36
Jen
Yeah, it's a very, maybe that's the type of tennis ball they use on board a spaceship because then if it crashes into a window, it just gets stuck on the window rather than, you know, well, you'd hope a tennis ball wouldn't smash them.
00:42:47
Red D
know but
00:42:50
Jen
ship window, yep, they're bit stronger than that.
00:42:51
El Platypo
What is...
00:42:53
Jen
But yeah, she takes it with her into the captain's chair and then all the way through that scene for some reason.
00:42:56
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:42:59
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:43:00
Jen
Anyway, these are minor details.
00:43:02
Red D
I didn't notice her fix her hair, but I thought the way she got up was a little bit, I don't know how to say this, like, um, underwhelming considering they've just gone through something quite major.
00:43:15
Red D
Like she seemed like kind of fine.
00:43:15
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:43:16
Red D
Like, oh, okay. Somehow. Yeah. So I guess like, I also noticed something about that little moment that I, um, was a bit, uh, off kilter or something.
00:43:19
Jen
again that
00:43:24
El Platypo
Mm-hmm.
00:43:28
Red D
and I mean, you noticed her hair. notice that bit, but yeah.
00:43:32
Jen
It was an odd one. Yeah, I don't know if... I mean probably it's just one of these things they didn't really... maybe they just didn't even think about it at the time. don't know.
00:43:42
Red D
No, because it's just a little... I mean, no, she doesn't have a line, or or she goes into some lines. They just gotta, like, somehow... um And it is difficult.
00:43:53
Red D
I know it is difficult to look like you've just... You're in a battle scene, or you are, because they're having to do all the shaking and everything themselves a lot of the time.
00:44:00
Jen
you
00:44:01
Red D
so yeah. um And Jamie, you said something about the scene as well. Oh, the ball. Yeah. So we all picked up something a little bit odd, but...
00:44:08
El Platypo
I'm
00:44:11
Red D
so Okay, well, Jamie, you've got a bit of time to think of some more points as we move around the circle. Jamie, back to you.
00:44:20
El Platypo
umm So, I mean, I have one very, very brief point, but then I have another one that's ah HR related, so of course it must take all of our time. ah The first one is, did anyone notice when we're shown Starling's office for the first time, the photo of Starling and Nixon suggesting he's a wrong one?
00:44:37
Red D
No, I didn't see that.
00:44:38
Jen
No.
00:44:39
El Platypo
We need to...
00:44:40
Jen
I saw was on the cover of like Time magazine or something.
00:44:40
El Platypo
I don't
00:44:44
Red D
Oh, okay, so he was really positioned at this powerful...
00:44:45
El Platypo
know.
00:44:47
El Platypo
asshole place, because he was also positioned in a framed photograph of Richard Nixon, the person who was fired for Watergate and corruption.
00:44:48
Red D
Yes.
00:44:56
Red D
Watergate. Such innocent times.
00:44:59
El Platypo
Yeah, when when people would jump when they did the wrong thing.
00:44:59
Jen
Hmm.
00:45:02
Red D
Yes, that sadly is over. Wow, people just cling on. No shame. um I...
00:45:07
Jen
you
00:45:09
Red D
um Oh, I didn't see that. I guess I was writing down. But I think I've seen that in previous watches. But it's a good way of, like, setting the scene or giving an indication of the characters.
00:45:17
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:45:18
Red D
So I do enjoy it when I spot those things.
00:45:22
El Platypo
I agree. um And shall I go on to my HR-related point?
00:45:24
Red D
No, because I have...
00:45:25
El Platypo
or noy Oh, no, do you? Oh, no! Whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:45:29
Red D
Because I have...
00:45:29
El Platypo
M'chka has been halted.
00:45:31
Red D
No, because I have some more than... I have more than one. that Not that I'll have to do them all, but... um I did, so this is very random, but Kez and Neelix, two of your favorite characters, Jamie and Jamie.
00:45:44
El Platypo
I love Kez.
00:45:46
Red D
Good. But I really enjoyed that they were given the task of monitoring all the news feeds. And it reminded me of some of the work that I do because they were doing some social listening. They had developed an algorithm, given it some keywords, and to check for any mentions of, like, sightings of Voyager, I guess.
00:45:56
Jen
Yeah.
00:46:03
Red D
And I And I was like,
00:46:06
El Platypo
um I know. know.
00:46:08
Red D
um and maybe i'll wrap in the other like tech thing but for some reason i gave you a real kick when that starling guy was like oh she's already emailed her colleague or something i was like email and in my mind i'm like that's all tech i'm like no we still use email today for some reason i was like because when i listen to the office ladies podcast sometimes that someone will use like a
00:46:23
Jen
Thank you.
00:46:24
El Platypo
Hmm. Yeah.
00:46:30
Red D
Blackberry or fax and they'll be like, ah, old tech alerts. So I was like, email, old tech alerts. Then I'm like, no, I used email today. It's still around. But for some reason, 1986 was, I guess, a fairly early mention of email.
00:46:44
Red D
Although I'm not sure. So yes, I really was thrilled that I grew up and did Kez and New York's job, basically, now as an adult. So socialistic.
00:46:56
Red D
Um... Janie, do you have anything else? Did that strike it, spark any thoughts? Exactly. I don't
00:47:03
Jen
Oh, yes. Well, no, i was I was about to be feeling like i was way out of date when you were talking about email being, I thought you were going to say it was really ah an old tool that, you know, no one uses anymore.
00:47:16
Jen
I was about to be horrified because I use it all the time in my job outside.
00:47:16
El Platypo
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.
00:47:21
Jen
my God.
00:47:22
Red D
like, oh, email, that's old fashioned.
00:47:22
Jen
I mean,
00:47:24
Red D
No, I use that to today. i don't know.
00:47:25
Jen
I mean, but to be fair, it is old fashioned in that it has been around for a really long time now in in the context of, don't know, there's a lot of new stuff constantly coming out.
00:47:30
Red D
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:34
Jen
And right now it's all about AI and chat DTP and things. And, you know, there's this whole period of like a decade or so after the internet when it was all social media and the first time Facebook appeared.
00:47:46
Jen
on um So by that frame of reference, email seems very old.
00:47:52
Red D
yeah
00:47:52
Jen
It seems, it's been, don't know, many tens of years. ah can't think when. don't get what you're saying.
00:48:00
Red D
Yes, I think i I still remember. I do still remember because I guess the World Wide Web was invented before email. But I'm pretty sure I can still remember watching on the news a news item about the first email that was sent. Or like the first, let's say, outside of the university, you know, when it went like mainstream.
00:48:18
Red D
um So I do remember that.
00:48:21
El Platypo
Hmm. Hmm.
00:48:22
Jen
I read some sort of, I don't know, I guess it was a meme or something recently about, you know, a bunch of, an office, someone played a sound on YouTube that was the old dial-up modem sound and all the millennials perked up their heads like, like a, what are those little animals that perk up meerkat, you know, as if they were, all the millennial meerkats were being called home to their place of, um,
00:48:37
El Platypo
census
00:48:39
Red D
poked up but ah be a beer cat
00:48:51
Red D
yes take me home I'll come that's so funny I need to see that um okay so Jamie however you want to proceed How many points do you have left?
00:48:52
Jen
Belonging.
00:48:53
El Platypo
assistance
00:49:06
El Platypo
Well, I...
00:49:06
Red D
feel like you want to address the HR issue, so go for it.
00:49:12
El Platypo
I mean, you realise that all that you've done by saying that is guaranteed that I don't say it next, because I have to be contrary. So I actually want to address Tuvok's behaviour in The Getaway by Van, and I absolutely love the fact that in what is presumably their filming of the stunt gone wrong...
00:49:27
Red D
Oh, yes.
00:49:29
El Platypo
Tuvok running into and diving into the van to get away from pursuit is not done smoothly and stylishly. It's done with him absolutely tw at getting twatted on the backside by the van moving off as he dives into it in a way that's far more realistic than would be the case if someone you know did it in Hollywood style, just straight in without it. But he just gets absolutely... Oh,
00:49:55
Red D
I did notice that. was like, oops.
00:49:57
El Platypo
nexted on the backside by the van moving off as he's mid-dive into it.
00:49:57
Red D
Yeah.
00:49:58
Jen
is
00:50:02
El Platypo
So I just thought we should take a moment to appreciate the visual comedy of the moment.
00:50:06
Jen
Yeah, it's I was going to say there is quite a contrast the to, ah you know, the Benedict Cumberbatch.
00:50:06
El Platypo
30 to 40 second silence would be appropriate. So...
00:50:15
Jen
and I mean, I know it's not the same species, but um Khan when he's playing Khan and he's the guy who plays Tuvok in the movie.
00:50:17
El Platypo
Oh, shit. Come on! Hmm.
00:50:24
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:50:27
Jen
And they're both
00:50:27
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:50:28
Jen
is very Hollywood. The scenes with them where they're fighting, and where they're running, and when they're jumping from van to flying hovercraft van in the skies of Earth above Starplate Academy, it's exactly what you're describing.
00:50:29
Red D
oh
00:50:32
El Platypo
Hmm. Hmm.
00:50:36
Red D
Oh, yes.
00:50:40
Jen
It's very Hollywood and they look very super superhero cool doing it. um So yeah, it's bit of contrast from good old Tuvok and Voyager.
00:50:50
Red D
Which one do you prefer? or do you like both?
00:50:53
Jen
and like both.
00:50:54
Red D
Okay. Yes, but it's funny because I noticed that. I was like, ah I wonder if that's how it was supposed to happen.
00:51:00
El Platypo
hmm yeah
00:51:01
Jen
Thank you.
00:51:02
Red D
But he made it in the band. I guess in a sense, watching it, was like, oh is he going to make it? So that was good. But not sure it was intentional. um Okay, so I think it's my turn.
00:51:15
Red D
I only have small things really left. But I have to say, I did think that Chakotay and Janeway made a very good 90s power couple.
00:51:24
El Platypo
yeah
00:51:24
Red D
Like the way they were dressed. I almost had like um kind of small, I know their style is actually quite different, but they almost might reminded me like a couple out of the Matrix.
00:51:29
El Platypo
sustain
00:51:36
Red D
um Like, a so the they were very stylish. I mean, i wouldn't say should they should dress like that now, but they were a very stylish 90s power couple.
00:51:48
El Platypo
it's bit like huge in Japan stylish for the I agree
00:51:51
Red D
yeah to Yeah, but I yeah i like their style.
00:51:54
El Platypo
ah agreeham
00:51:54
Red D
They blend it in.
00:51:59
El Platypo
Yeah, does Janeway blend in in the you know massive white suit of enormous bagginess on the beach where no one else is in a suit?
00:52:05
Red D
Yeah.
00:52:07
Jen
I think it's pretty 90s.
00:52:09
El Platypo
No, it's pretty 90s, but it's not pretty LA beach-ish.
00:52:14
Red D
True, but it was very much suited maybe the office, the styling office.
00:52:19
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:52:19
Red D
um
00:52:19
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:52:21
Red D
But I enjoyed them. But I don't want to say anything that might set Jamie off for not giving his point later.
00:52:28
Jen
laughs
00:52:29
El Platypo
Oh, well.
00:52:31
Red D
And maybe while I was to wrap up, so... in terms of like their disguises. I thought they looked great. Tuvok's like hat just to hide his ears because that would just give them away. Although Sarah Silderman character spots them. But the way he just tries to pass them off as a family trait was quite funny.
00:52:49
El Platypo
No, he doesn't.
00:52:49
Red D
was like, I guess you could
00:52:50
El Platypo
He doesn't. He doesn't. Tom Paris does, and he turns that into a diss. It's a family trait. They're a bit sensitive about it.
00:52:58
Red D
Yeah, but I was like, I guess, because I was like, oh my gosh, if she sees his is, that's like a huge giveaway. And then he just, they come up with an explanation. Yeah.
00:53:08
Red D
Jenny, anything you want to throw in As we wrap up, I guess.
00:53:12
Jen
Was that was that Jamie or Jenny?
00:53:15
Red D
Jenny. Jenny.
00:53:16
Jen
Ah, ah um not really. I was just thinking that, I don't know if I was that lady in that situation and I saw the ears. I don't know that I would jump to alien though. I think I think there's just something wrong with this is. But maybe that's just me.
00:53:35
Red D
Well, nowadays you'd think someone has had surgery on their ears, but...
00:53:35
El Platypo
in a
00:53:38
Jen
Yes.
00:53:38
El Platypo
Well, actually, I had an experience when I was very, very young in school that makes me think of this slightly. So that was... like I was about three or four.
00:53:50
El Platypo
And this was in a school which had kids up to... the Girls up to 13, boys up to, I think, five or six. um But there was a girl there who had, like, enormous canines
00:54:04
Red D
Why isn't anyone doing anything
00:54:04
El Platypo
gent genuinely like like pair pair of vampire teeth in sort of thing and i saw a tv program about vampires and then i sort of saw this girl you know that same year and was like is it this that is that not is that is that is that and i was like is it a vampire is this just some poor girl and like honestly i spent
00:54:05
Jen
Thank
00:54:21
Red D
about this?
00:54:28
El Platypo
the the entire year batshit terrifying mean this poor this girl thankfully like was years older than me it didn't have a clue that I was you know going through this whole crisis of yeah a vampire are vampires real um ah or is this just you know normal because everyone else seems to be acting as though it's normal just ah does that just mean that you know some people get teeth like that or that vampires are normal and walk amongst us um So I can actually empathise with the perspective that Jenny says, that people would just write it off as, you know, an affectation or an odd condition.
00:54:39
Red D
Oh, the three-year-olds. Oh.
00:54:44
Red D
Oh.
00:54:56
Jen
Okay.
00:54:57
Red D
Oh, wow.
00:55:09
El Platypo
If it's, you know, just one-off and treated and acted and styled out as completely normal.
00:55:15
Red D
Yeah, sorry, I'm i am just thinking about you as a three-year-old kid, so cute.
00:55:19
Jen
Mm-hmm.
00:55:19
Red D
Anyway. um Right, Jamie, do you want to give us perhaps a final point or two?
00:55:24
El Platypo
Well, I hope... I hope this isn't... hypocritical in the wake of what I just said, but I wanted to sound this episode's vaguely sexist screenwriting klaxon alarm, which I've decided to make a thing on all featured podcasts. Can we take a moment to consider Chakotay reacting to Captain Janeway saying, that woman who just passed us scantily clad, in brackets, my observation, could be my great-great-grandmother.
00:55:56
El Platypo
And Chakotay looking back and going, she has your legs. Can we take a moment just to consider on that?
00:56:00
Jen
Thank
00:56:03
El Platypo
And also the whole, why is Tom's modest operandi of flirting with Sarah Silverman's character? Lean over her close and then mansplain her own research to her.
00:56:14
El Platypo
I just, I quite enjoyed those. And I wanted to put those to you as this week's example of vaguely sexist screenwriting, clacks and lull.
00:56:24
Red D
well when you gave the example the well i guess my example but the one of jacote and janeway and you re-explained the joke i'm like oh that's really funny because like he's making the joke about i forgot that that she could have been related like um so but when i heard it i was like oh that's uh
00:56:38
El Platypo
yes
00:56:43
Red D
I'm always seeing a little bit light floating, which never leads anywhere. But Jenny?
00:56:48
El Platypo
You sound disappointed by this rant.
00:56:49
Red D
Also,
00:56:50
El Platypo
You sound disappointed.
00:56:50
Jen
Yeah, I mean, I've got to say I did not pick up on particularly on those two. And, you know, I am a bit like hyper alert to the Voyager people leaning over people and naturally closely, especially men over women.
00:56:58
El Platypo
Hmm. Hmm.
00:57:05
Jen
That seems to happen a lot in the Voyager universe, but I didn't really notice it so much.
00:57:10
Red D
yeah.
00:57:10
Jen
I think Jogod is just making a joke and then Tom's flirting, you know, and she's kind of flirting back.
00:57:11
Red D
Yeah. no
00:57:18
Jen
So...
00:57:19
Red D
Also, we didn't see that other woman's legs. So maybe we were terrible. I don't know. afraid so. so
00:57:25
El Platypo
I mean, that that's not a good career move if if you're not the skipper.
00:57:29
Red D
no
00:57:32
Jen
I suppose it is a little bit, I guess it's flirty isn't it because if you if it was just a joke and not flirty you'd say well she has your eyes, not your legs.
00:57:41
El Platypo
Yeah. Can I take it therefore that once again this week, I have virtue signalled in vain and I sounded the klaxon mistakenly, mistakenly.
00:57:48
Red D
so And we shut it down.
00:57:52
El Platypo
That is really disappointing as someone who yearns to be the HR rep for this podcast. But okay, I acknowledge the error on your side and the joint work will do to change you.
00:58:06
Red D
Okay. Yeah, maybe maybe I need to change. I'll become a little sensitive.
00:58:09
Jen
Yeah.
00:58:11
El Platypo
Oh, it's not easy.
00:58:11
Red D
um um Right. I think I have a final point from myself. But um this episode, I guess we end on kind of a cliffhanger in the sense that um because they're monitoring the TV networks, is it Harry?
00:58:28
Red D
Or someone is like, oh, Janeway, you need to see this.
00:58:28
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:58:33
Red D
And it's the footage of Voyager flying over. Leia has been captured on your own someone's, I guess not phone, but some amateur footage.
00:58:38
El Platypo
Hmm.
00:58:40
Red D
And it's a huge deal, I guess, in this episode.
00:58:44
El Platypo
Hmm. Hmm.
00:58:44
Red D
But... It just made me laugh because those types of videos come out all the time. And they always, like like, they always, there's always, I presume, some non-alien explanation. Like, I think even last year, there was, like, a spate of these things seen over, I don't think it was that way, some way.
00:59:03
Red D
And I was like, oh, is this really aliens now? And then it just fades into the background. So it seemed like already a really big deal. But I was like, you know what? These people see these videos all the time. You don't have to worry for it, Jim.
00:59:16
Red D
Just um stay calm and carry on, i guess, as some British people say. And maybe maybe we should mention that ah the Doctor lands up on Earth, even as Voyager is flying away, because the Starling character downloaded it from Voyager.
00:59:23
El Platypo
Keep calm and carry on.
00:59:34
Red D
So just a little plot point to mention before we wrap up.
00:59:40
El Platypo
I agree. I think it's it's worth keeping on podcasters. focused on the fact that in spite of the fact that Starling appears to hold all the cards. To quote the crystal method, there is still hope.
00:59:50
Red D
twist yes and uh jenny what do you think if you saw a video like that of uh what would you think would you think it's a real starship or aliens or
01:00:05
Jen
Well, I mean, my default setting is always like, oh, there's some explanation. you know So I wouldn't be excited.
01:00:11
El Platypo
yeah Yeah, like mine with that girl's canines.
01:00:11
Red D
yes
01:00:15
Jen
I do sometimes think, though, that if anything ever did happen, i would definitely miss it because I would just immediately dismiss it as some reasonable explanation.
01:00:26
Jen
you know so if there was any kind of extraterrestrial signal, it would be lost on me.
01:00:32
Red D
oh that's funny, they went to summit, decent, reasonable explanation and okay i guess i was gonna say and on that note but actually we still have themes and star player so who's ready for a theme?
01:00:46
El Platypo
Time travel.
01:00:46
Red D
i'll go, time travel
01:00:48
Jen
yeah that's the only one I was thinking of
01:00:51
Red D
My theme is I want to go to l LA and I need to stick to my plan. I want to drive across America and get to LA in time for the Olympics and go watch some of Olympics.
01:00:59
El Platypo
um Amazing.
01:01:00
Jen
oh wow wouldn't mind seeing LA
01:01:01
Red D
and This reminded me of that plan.
01:01:02
El Platypo
Great shot. I love that.
01:01:08
Red D
I would like to go. ah So time travel, anything else you want to throw in there before we do start clear?
01:01:15
El Platypo
I think development opportunities for the minions as we quite clearly see that Harry steps up.
01:01:22
Red D
Ah, yes. think, yeah, I did a good job.
01:01:24
El Platypo
Acting up does the job. and do-oo-oo to-oo do I think the possibility that the entirety of the 20th century computing boom and by extension the Matrix is caused by that asshole time-travelling his ship back and giving it to Starling should be kept in mind.
01:01:30
Jen
technology
01:01:47
Red D
Also, but go ahead.
01:01:47
Jen
think technology is a theme isn't it it's like you know we can't beat him because he's got since 29th century technology and we're only century and then And then the poor lady at Zeti with her 1990s technology and the whole idea of how stuff just becomes out of date and obsolete.
01:01:50
El Platypo
Hmm.
01:01:53
Red D
Oh yes.
01:01:53
El Platypo
Hmm.
01:01:56
El Platypo
hmm hmm
01:02:03
Red D
yeah
01:02:10
Jen
What was once it's viewed as, you know, the future.
01:02:14
Red D
Yeah. Also, there was that little moment where Janeway is explaining to Chakotay that in 2047, there was a big earthquake and LA was submerged and it's now a great coral reef, which I guess now we're closer to 2047 than when the episode came out.
01:02:27
El Platypo
Hmm. Hmm.
01:02:30
Red D
You're like, ooh, that's, a you know, like film and TV, when things that were very far in the future are getting closer. You're like, I don't know. It always just makes me think.
01:02:42
Red D
Okay. Star Player.
01:02:48
Red D
I'm happy to kick us off, I think, if we...
01:02:51
Jen
Yeah, you go first, Red.
01:02:53
Red D
I am going to do the... I don't actually... I think you said her character name, but I did like the Sarah Silverman character. um
01:03:01
El Platypo
hmm
01:03:03
Red D
I thought she... I mean, it does i was I did Google, like, why was she in Star Trek? Because she's not a standard comedian.
01:03:07
El Platypo
hmm hmm
01:03:09
Red D
And then I think at the time she was interviewed in, she was like, oh, I don't want to be in sitcoms. not very good. I want to play... play, I mean, I don't know at the time what was happening in the sitcom world. um She was like, I want to be on a more serious show, but where the comedy is, now maybe I'm making this up, but a bit more natural, or you know not like over the top of it.
01:03:28
Red D
And I think she did bring a lot of comedy to the role, um even just some of her expressions and stuff, so I did enjoy it.
01:03:32
El Platypo
Hmm.
01:03:35
Red D
And I liked that chemistry that was building between her and Tom.
01:03:38
El Platypo
Hmm.
01:03:39
Red D
So she'll be my star player.
01:03:42
El Platypo
Okay. That's interesting. So I would like to give mine on the basis of achieving celebrity in outer space first. And I would like to award that to Blaine's twin brother from the soap opera.
01:03:56
El Platypo
has an elix hooked on his saga.
01:04:00
Red D
Very good. ah But do you remember the line that she gave the not father of her child, but twin brother of the father of her child?
01:04:08
El Platypo
What does it matter? It'll still be genetically ours or something like that. that
01:04:14
Red D
Very good.
01:04:15
Jen
Okay, in that case, then I will have to give it to Harry because, you know, he's in the chair, he made had to make a call under pressure and he did it and it was the right call and
01:04:19
Red D
Aww.
01:04:26
Jen
poor thing doesn't get promotion for seven years so we've got give something.
01:04:30
Red D
but he'll get star players.
01:04:31
El Platypo
Hmm.
01:04:31
Red D
So that's good.
01:04:31
El Platypo
What does he do so wrong for the next seven years after that shining star? Gosh.
01:04:37
Red D
Yeah. As Jane said.
01:04:38
Jen
I mean possibly he does get something. They get those little buttons on their neck don't they when they get they move up ranks. I can't really remember.
01:04:46
Red D
Yeah.
01:04:46
Jen
I just yeah it comes up
01:04:48
Red D
I mean, it's not something, yeah, it's not something i ever noticed myself, but when I started listening to Delta flyers and all, it's always like, ah, Harry you never got promoted.
01:04:49
El Platypo
Hmm.
01:04:57
Red D
Poor Harry. I was like, ah, I wasn't really, I didn't care about promotions as a kid, so I wasn't paying attention.
01:05:03
Jen
Yeah, yeah, that's only something that occurred to me re-watching it. isnt i
01:05:08
Red D
Well, very...
01:05:08
Jen
I think they do have an episode on it though where it is a theme, like how do you manage when you know no one can stop doing the job that they were initially brought on to do?
01:05:22
Jen
Because in the real world, you even if you're not promoted, you would move on to different projects to learn different skills to you know grow.
01:05:24
El Platypo
Hmm.
01:05:29
El Platypo
You go crazy. Yeah.
01:05:30
Jen
Yeah, so how to avoid that. I think it does come up by current episode.
01:05:35
El Platypo
Hmm.
01:05:35
Red D
Well, we're in season three. that That will come up eventually. But I'm going to hit the jingle. And thanks, guys. I guess we'll see you for part two.
01:05:47
Red D
Future Zen, part two.
01:05:50
Jen
Oh, not another one.
01:05:50
El Platypo
Hmm.
01:05:51
Jen
No, I'm joking. I'm joking.
01:05:52
El Platypo
Can't wait! It'll be magnificent!
01:05:55
Red D
Oh, I don't know when that's going to come up because I might be in Mexico in two weeks' time.
01:06:00
Jen
Oh, nice.
01:06:01
Red D
But we'll be in touch. We'll...
01:06:03
El Platypo
I will not generate a new appendicitis to avoid another time travel episode. I can assure you of that.
01:06:08
Jen
listen
01:06:10
Red D
Yes, I guess you can't lose another appendix. Okay,
01:06:13
El Platypo
Munchka, munchka, munchka.
01:06:13
Jen
and It's gone.
01:06:16
Red D
don't hang up. Bye.