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The Pitt Season 2 Episodes 1-6
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Dr. Langdon and Rocky's Hot Dog Challenge
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Dr. Langdon, this is Rocky. Great name. What brings you in Rocky?
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Very sick. When start? An hour ago. After he won a hot dog eating contest. A hot
Philip DeFranco's Relevance Debate
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dog eating contest? How many do you
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eat? Three hundred fifty-one hot dogs?
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Yeah. I was in heaven. You were in
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That like my Philip DeFranco. Okay, I got that reference. Is he still a thing? Does he still make stuff? I imagine he's still terrorizing people in one way or another.
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I'm sure he's
Zodiac Signs and Goat Cheese
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a nice guy. Does he follow you Twitter? Can we get him on? Hey, can we... Philip DeFranco, can you come on podcast so you can refuse to give an opinion about a movie instead of the current events? Give us the dish on your brother, James.
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DeFranco.
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Tell us about your hot um wife, Allison Gouda.
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Now I want Gouda cheese. m I'm a goat man myself, you know. if I see goat cheese as an option, yeah, that's that's I'm all about that, you know. feel like Dr. King would so like goat cheese. Mm-hmm.
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Well, she is my ah lunar New Year animal. Is that what they call it? Zodiac animal? I'm not sure. But if if I could choose one, it would be milking.
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What is the...
Boba Tea Love Story
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Oh, it's Boba. I was trying to like, what was the thing that the one patient asked her if she likes when he's like trying to ask her out? And it's like, oh, ah do you you like Bo? She's like, I love Boba. And also the thing I love about that scene is, ah okay, yeah, we're
Dr. Robbie's Reckless Ride
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already into it. These guys got juice. Don't.
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making a pit stop dr robbie's pulled pulled pulled his motorcycle in we're working on it no helmet and we keep ominously bringing up that he should wear his helmet and then there's all these other ah motorcycle victims come in and and they're like ah fully i had a helmet on rock robbie's like It doesn't apply to me. Well, Robbie's too slick and too cool.
Season 2's Fear and Truths
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And even though he visibly is somebody who is middle-aged, he definitely still does carry himself with the demeanor of a younger person. um and and And I feel like this new season, season two, is definitely a lot more about like confronting things that people are, you know,
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too afraid to wrestle, russell you know? Like, it's a lot about, like, things that have been laid bare. Sorry, that have just been laying there, and now the sheet needs to be pulled. ah The first season was a lot of, like,
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The first season had that for sure, ah but it also felt as if like there was a level of ah like people didn't have all of the information. Right. there There were aspects in terms of discovering and and those allowed for people to be more open, et cetera. But now in season two, instead, it feels like everybody's kind of hiding something despite even being closer in quotations as a work unit.
00:03:41
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Right. Like we have the the building blocks or like the what we think is the necessary information about like who these people are. But then there's still it's like, oh, what what else are we missing? And also what has happened? Because this is shift takes place on July 4th. I'm not sure. how much time has passed since season, at least a year, right? Because some of the residents are like on their next year. so they're like, you know, the ones that were year one are now year two residents. So it's been, it's been a year at least almost real time, almost real time. yeah Like another real time show, 24, the following s shift takes place on the day of the California primary.
Kiefer Sutherland as Batman?
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Jack, you kill it you can't torture fucking Dr. Robbie. I'll do whatever I goddamn have to do. Listen, I love this show, but when they waterboarded Louie, that was just too far, man. that was i was out. Who do you work for?
00:04:37
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Where are you getting all the fentanyl? Where are all the drugs that are missing? you know and like Yeah. It's kind of surprising no one's fan casted Kiefer Sutherland as, like, older
Critique of 'The Boys' Political Themes
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Batman. Like, we've already had, like, the Snyder Batfleck was, like, adjacent to the, you know, Frank Miller Dark Knight, you know, the Dark Knight Returns. But, like, they didn't go all the way. They're like, well, yeah, Ben Affleck's older, but he's not, like, old, old, you know. But, like, Kiefer plays definitely...
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a He's maybe like, what, like a decade older than than Ben? Not really that much older, but he reads older. for sure. he He reads like he's like almost in his like late 60s. Right. But I imagine he's he he has to be in his 50s still. I don't know. Right. He was definitely still like it he was in like an eighty s star specifically for sure. And then like his dad kind of a similar thing. Right. Where he always kind of looked like.
00:05:36
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Like he could be super old or super young, right? I guess that's just like the Sutherland charm. Yeah, he's only 59 and Ben Affleck is 53. That's crazy to me. Like Ben Affleck looks like he could easily pass for like early 40s, despite the Phoenix on his back.
00:05:51
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Yeah, absolutely. Because they were already like kind of aging. I don't know if it was just makeup or maybe it was just he just carried himself older. Like, you know like i I believe that when he was Batman, I'm like, wow, this guy's seen some shit. And that was just his normal Ben Affleck, like going to get coffee demeanor. He was just like, I'm just going to play
Eddington and The Pit's COVID Portrayal
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this real. If we're going to fan cast Kiefer Sutherland in a Batman movie, I would say that actually the right way would to go would be to make the show villain.
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Not quite Joker, actually. I would say you'd want to model his performance based off of his character in Dark City. And you want to do a character like ah Two-Face. You want to do a character like the Penguin. He would crush a role like that because it's so against type. And when you put Kiefer Sutherland in a role that's so against type, he actually always delivers. Yeah. So, yeah, but that's that's that's where my mind goes when I hear that his name, you know?
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Yeah, that would be good. Or maybe like Hugo Strange. Like I'm just thinking like ones we haven't gotten like on screen. Well, the ones we haven't gotten like in the movies. Like I'm sure if I actually stuck with Gotham, I'm pretty sure they did like every single villain ever, which is funny that that shows about every it was originally pitched as like, yeah, this is is about the Gotham PD and Jim Gordon trying to it's just going to regular cop show. And then like they're like, what if we just do to every Batman movie?
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Like brute Bruce is a sure and he's just he's just a kid, right? Yeah, i don't care. Like they all existed before he even put on the costume. Who gives a fuck? There is no faster way for me to fall asleep ah than to ah even consider watching a television show about superheroes. Truth be told, you know, like maybe one day I will
Noah Hawley's TV vs Film Success
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watch Peacemaker and i I'm sure I like it because I like James Gunn. That's when i find one the good ones.
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there's There's only handful. It all sucks. Yeah, most of them suck shit. The one I will and always do go to the bat for is ah Legion ah because ah dan the dance dan Dan Stevens fandom. And then also I just think Noah Hawley mostly, ah at least as far as TV is concerned, I still haven't seen his movie that he did with Padme Amidala. Oh, I know why that's... like good Well, Dan Stevens is in it too, you know? So, like, you've got no excuses, the fan, right? I guess. But but I heard that movie sucks shit.
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Oh, but it's also amazing. Like, it's it's one of those movies that's so spectacularly bad that I would... easily recommend it to anybody who's vaguely interested in
'Lucy in the Sky' Film Critique
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the film. um that There's a scene, because they they do this whole thing with aspect ratios in the film, right? Where, ah like, scenes will, like, change aspect ratios within the moment. And unlike a movie like Xavier Dolan's ah Mommy, where it's done sparingly and it and like it it feels like a real, like, cathartic moment, there's, like, sequences in... ah
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Lucy in the Sky, which is the film. I don't even think we've named it. um But Lucy in the Sky, when there are scenes where like you'll have Natalie Portman and she's a kitchen island, right? And the aspect ratio will go like really tight on her. And then rather than like playing with that space, it just tracks her around the island, right?
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So instead it's just like just completely superfluous. The whole film is kind of like that. And then when you recognize the fact that like the true story it's based on was even more ludicrous than what they decided to depict, it makes what you watch even funnier.
00:09:26
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That's yeah, because I remember the actual astronaut that she's made. Like that story was crazy when that when that came out. But I didn't even sound like the movie. It's not when they were. doing the movie, it seemed like it was like, oh, this is vaguely inspired by, and in in a way that's almost similar to how they were, martin you know, Josh Safty would talk about Marty Supreme, but even less connected because it's like, there are parallels between Marty Mauser and Marty Reisman, like the actual guy. And there's like, there are real things in that movie, but like the Lucy in the sky, at least how they were presenting It was like, yeah, we kind of just like took the idea of a lady astronaut losing her shit.
TV Directors in Film Industry
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Kind of. Yeah. And I think that it there is a world where it could have worked, but the problem is, is, like, it's trying to be both batshit insane and then also, like, a serious awards contender. Like, they they think that there's, like, some kind of world where Natalie Portman's nominated for this thing, despite the fact that there's a story about an astronaut who drove cross-country with somebody hostage while pooping into diapers. Yeah. Like...
00:10:28
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Come on. Like there is a way to make that movie and it's not the way that Noah Hawley made it. My original point to get to here was that like Noah Hawley as a television director always screams to me that he's a guy who's dying to be a filmmaker, very similarly to Sam Levinson. And then when you finally do see what they actually do, right, they're they're all idea guys. You know, like they have all the stylistic things down. They're very similar to Matt Johnson's character in The Dirties is like they understand these things, you know, conceptually. They know how to recreate certain things and even sometimes show you something cool. But ultimately, it all and almost feels like they don't understand why these things work on an on on an intellectual level.
Legion's Thematic Depth
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And, you know, even though film is a collaborative ah medium, also TV is even more, you know, like there's still, except for ah Sam Levinson thing, I think he did write all of Euphoria, which does explain why that show goes the way it does. But like, you know, like all the Noah Hawley stuff, like Legion, Fargo, there's other cooks in those kitchen. Like he's not directing every episode. He's not the sole writer on the show. So there's like other...
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voices that an idea like people who maybe don't just have idea of you know so there are i mean and a show like legion you could definitely kind of just get away with style over substance although i would argue that that show does have things it's it's like at least trying to contend with that you you can argue how well does deal with sort like because it because it gets into like some heavy you know stuff but like uh it kind of a mixed bag on like how well it lands the plane in terms of those, those themes.
The Boys' Social Themes Critique
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But like, uh, it's at least like going for it in a way that like, I can't think of any other like superhero. Like you'd be like, yeah, the boys is talking about real world stuff. I'm like, okay, they're just, you know, they just gave Homelander a Trump quote, you know? So it's that. Yeah.
00:12:22
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OK, so I've never really watched The Boys, but whenever I see people talk about ah the politics of that show, it's emblematic of something I don't like in a lot of popular media, specifically in television as well, where it'll be like kind of progressive, but like.
00:12:38
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Four years too late. Three years too late. Right. And like the dumbest guy, you know, right, is watching that and they're going like, wow, I never really thought about it that way before. Yeah. Right. And for like, it's not to say like, oh, I am smarter than the show, but also in the same way, it's like you are.
00:12:54
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But it's like if you exist within the world is what I'm trying to get at. Like these are things you would already pick up on you know, like. Exactly. And also the way the boys does it, like it tries, it just does a one-to-one. There's no like extrapolation from theme. So like you get very messy kind of forced things where they'll do storylines about like soup rights and do like soup lives matter, you know. And it's like, okay, yeah.
00:13:20
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But in the show, as we've depicted, the most of the Supes are like fascists, you know, and they're the, you know, the ray ever the you know the ah the ruling class. ah And so then you're trying to like also equate them to marginalized community. It's like you're getting really iffy here with like the metaphor.
00:13:40
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Like something like that would only work if they were. Also playing it in a way where it was like a self victimization thing, you know, like it was like a made up thing, like, ah I don't know, like white people being upset about being called cracker or something.
Eddington's 2020 Depiction
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Right. Like then, then, then I'd be like, okay, that's clever. Right. But based on the way that you're describing it to me, right. It just sounds like they play it straight. And like, that's just, you know, at that point they're just pulling things from the headline.
00:14:04
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Free of context, right? Without any kind of consideration in terms of like commenting upon, you know, Black Lives Matter or what have you. and and And on that note, right, it's not even like those things are free from, you know, commentary. You know, we just – we've talked about Eddington for sure, right? And so that's a project that did that really well in my eyes. And I believe you felt the same way, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that that was not afraid to to tackle the thing. And even if some people did have the criticism of that saying, like, it's just showing what 2020 was, it doesn't actually have a take. And I i disagree with that because it's like, yes, it is.
00:14:41
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I would even push back against that. It's just showing 2020 because it's more, it's definitely heightened. Like, like, yes, things were crazy then, but this is kind of like how yeah it's your memory of a thing will be like, you know, exaggerated and, and at at a certain pitch that doesn't match. Like if you were to actually like just play back the tape of footage of what was happening. So I i think it's it's like going for that sweet spot of like this is kind of like it's it's going for what 2020 felt like more than what it actually was.
The Pit's Realistic Trauma Portrayal
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For sure. And actually, this was something I forgot to bring up on the last podcast. when We were talking about the pit season one. um I really love the way that COVID was depicted on that show.
00:15:26
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I felt that, um you know, when it comes to ah how people talk about it from their day to day lives or in other instances of fiction beyond the Pitt or Eddington, um I've felt that there has been some kind of like jokey kind of. approach to it with no, ah you know, serious ramification, or if they do think about it from serious ramification, they're thinking about it from like a very melodramatic standpoint. And what I really liked about what they did in the pit was that it was ah from the obviously the doctor's perspective, and it just made it look like hell because of all procedure they had to do. And what i and the reason I bring it up in relation to Eddington, right, is because, like, imagine taking what happens in the pit during those flashbacks, right? Just, like, those images and what somebody would have to, you know, go through every day to do that, right? And then, like, immediately compare that with, like, Joaquin Phoenix, you know, crowd full of people in New Mexico. And just thinking about the fact that those two things are happening at the exact same time, right? That there is no... you know It's not even like you know this is a yeah a week later or something. No, it's like this was happening pretty much. like the
00:16:33
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And these are the two different versions of reality in a way, right? And the pitch still shows it like subjectively because it's so always through Dr. Robbie's like kind of trauma of of of these events that happened. Right. during COVID, but it obviously, because of the the tone of the show, is just overall, is just more grounded. Like, you could argue, like, just in terms of like, visually, like, it's, it almost, it it it looks more melodramatic, like how ah something that would be but more over the top would be presented, like a flashback that's, like, really extreme, but it's still at the pitch and tone, like we talked about in the first season, of how, like, everything's so low-key and subtle. And I mean, this is a...
00:17:19
Speaker
It's it's a ah moment of yeah great trauma, like Robbie's mentor is dying. And then you also see that the girl that they you know could have maybe tried to save also dies, dies of covid. But it's so so it's it's like a heightened event, but still being portrayed, I feel like a way lower key than like another medical show would have like presented it.
00:17:42
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For sure. Right. And it goes back to like what the ethos of the pit is, which is like it's just a part of their job. So they have to do it no matter what. If it's like, you know, taking the time out of their day to make sure that somebody is all right. All that stuff. It's all under the same banner. Right. And ah furthermore.
00:17:58
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Like, you know, people obviously will make jokes about others who will talk about ah how like COVID it was the worst for them. Right. Or like, oh, you know, all you had to do is sit inside, whatever. Right.
00:18:10
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The idea, like doctors are like the number one people, like doctors, nurses, health care in general. Right. Like they are the number one people where it's like, if anyone has the right to complain about COVID, it's them. Right. Them and the people who were hospitalized with COVID. Like those are the two people who are like, yes, this, I think they had it the worst.
00:18:29
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Yes. And you could very easily see why they have like unresolved post-traumatic stress. Right. And even in this new season, COVID still being brought up. And at no point do I ever feel like it's an easy trick or like a cheap shot or something. It always feels like this is something that actually is sitting at the backs of their minds at all times. Because it would be. Yeah, because I've seen we'll get into the season. I think there are things, critiques you could level at it. I mean, we still haven't gotten the full picture yet. So a lot of it, I feel like it's kind just wait and see where some of these storylines or characters are going. But I've seen people say that, like, don't know, this season kind of feels more like after school, especially or like preach. I'm like, well, one, the show's always been woke, you know, in dealing with like themes of real world stuff. But it doesn't feel like. any more like didactic that it was like sure in like the most recent episode Dana will be talking about you know how some of the staff didn't come back after COVID because can't blame because of their mental health like they're like using like you know you could be like oh it's just like therapy speech or whatever it's like I think that they would talk like this I think that this is like what they dealing with like even few years on like I mean if we're to take it that's like happening you know like kind of concurrent with our you know it's like 2025 2026 for them it's like this was few years ago but this would still be lingering like it still has scars and I don't know people know this there's still people dying of COVID like every day
00:19:58
Speaker
No, we got rid of that shit. No, it's done now, right? We we bombed China. Now it's done, you know? um But... We got the labs. Yep, exactly. yeah Precision strikes. Also killed all of the communists in the same... as All the bats and all the communist bats. the The communist bats, exactly. They were the ones. They were biting people and then they got communism. That's the root of communism. um But anyways... And that's how I'm donning one. Donnie is New York Nosferatu. You know, he's, what is it? What's that Eddie Murphy? Is it like Brooklyn Vampire or something? I think that's like that's right. Yeah.
00:20:37
Speaker
Yeah. that's That's him. That's Silver on. Vampire Brooklyn. There it is. There it is. I've never seen it, but I think Wes Craven directed it.
00:20:49
Speaker
That sound, that's crazy. Maybe I need to see it. it right? Am I right? Yeah, you are right. Huh. That's insane. i I want to see, is this like, ah is that like that Chevy Chase movie that John Carpenter did, right, where it's like a nightmare production? I would love that. If it was like horror director trying to work with comedic actor going wrong is is like ah is like a notified rule or something, you know? Right.
00:21:14
Speaker
Yeah. Because like, you know, Eddie Murphy, it's kind of, I feel like still at the heights of his, but like when did the Nutty Professors come out? Those were late ninety s early 2000s.
00:21:27
Speaker
Okay, yeah, okay. So there this is, like, between The Nutty Professor coming out and, like, Beverly Hills Cop 3. three So he's still riding high. Still selling out, like, stand-up and all that stuff. Like, honestly, he didn't fall off until Shrek and Haughton Mansion, right? Because that was, like, the moment where people were like, we don't take you seriously anymore, you know? And and he had flops before that, but it wasn't, like ah like, fatal, you know? Like, it was, like... He could still, you you were still like, okay, well, maybe the next one or two movies later, he's just still going to deliver a hit. It's like, wasn't like a big deal, but like, yeah, now he doesn't even do actual movie. He just does like straight to like streaming. Occasionally do like legacy sequels to his own thing. Like a coming to America legacy sequel. It's no one's seen because it's on Amazon. i haven't watched it. And and I, I, I,
00:22:21
Speaker
I almost wanted to just for as a Wesley Snipes completion. I was like, ah, it sounds like Wesley's kind of funny in this. Maybe I should watch it. Has Wesley ever done a bad performance?
00:22:33
Speaker
maybe Probably not. And I think the lesson there is if you pay your taxes, it makes you a worse actor. So don't pay your taxes. IRS, if you're listening, get fucked. that That's the tax season message from these guys got juice.
00:22:52
Speaker
Tax season. Okay. so everybody always complains every year, right? They're just like, oh, a tax season so annoying. All these receipts I'm holding on to, you know, just from, you don't care. If you hate taxes, why are you doing them?
00:23:05
Speaker
You know, it's a free country, you know, ah last I checked. Yeah. This just sounds like gay this sounds like you're your problem. You know, you're a sovereign citizen, just like me, you know? So you can do whatever you want. Oh, and then he also did a legacy sequel to Beverly Hills Cop, which I did watch, and I kind of remember it being all right. I was like, this is, like, maybe by...
00:23:28
Speaker
Second or third favorite Beverly Hills. go Like it's like not. That movie really good. it's it's It's pretty solid. ah It just know it because it's a Netflix movie. ah And like a lot of streaming movies, like I have trouble like recalling. I just remember the feeling of liking it you know, and and that it was it was done well. of the only specific, like, moments I remember is that when he pretends to be ah a casting agent and he talks about Jupiter ascending and he's bullshitting, like, he sees the one guy who's a fan or was, like, an extra Jupiter ascending and the guy's like, what your favorite parts? Like, oh, when they were ascending, you know, he first got Jupiter ascending. laughter laughter laughter
00:24:12
Speaker
That movie's got good bits. And like the the the action sequences actually feel cinematic, which is something that you can't say about nearly any of the Netflix, ah you know, action films. ah But one thing I wanted to point out here, and then maybe we should get back to the pit, but also ah I just wanted to call out Joseph Gordon-Levitt, right? Because he's been recently in the news. Have you seen this or no? the He ah doesn't want anyone to use the internet or...
00:24:40
Speaker
Yeah, i've I've seen that stuff. i Man, what a big fall off. Like he could have been our Jimmy Stewart. Now he's slowly morphing into like a John Voight, you know, hate to see it.
00:24:52
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's it sucks. I don't know what really is going on there. what's What's the deal with like Rian Johnson's collaborators just like slowly turning insane? Right. Because like he seems like a chill dude. Right. But like first Natasha Lyonne with the AI stuff and now Joseph Gordon-Levitt, you know, like i would hate to see Daniel Craig get in this nafu for whatever reason.
00:25:15
Speaker
No, he's fine. He's grounded. He's got Rachel Weisz to keep him, you know, solid. Like you can't really go off the reservation if you go home to that every night. Well, like yeah ah there the Hollywood rumors is that they're swingers, you know, so it's like, that's also good for their match.
00:25:34
Speaker
The pit. The pit.
00:25:39
Speaker
I got to say, ah this episode's up till this point, right? Like, out of all the characters, right, I've heard definitely people say, like, oh, where's Mel King? You know, I feel like I haven't seen her or whatever.
00:25:50
Speaker
I feel like Santos is kind of getting the short end of the shrift this season. I feel like she's, like, in one note so far, which tells me something cool is probably going to happen with her. But, like, at least when it comes to, the like, the dynamicism, I feel like it's been given to several other characters. Yeah.
00:26:04
Speaker
Mostly the note that she keeps hitting is that she is really, really fucking tired and that she's having trouble catching up on her charting. And so I think through her we are going to see some fallout from we've already seen some fallout from the charting. So, like, you know, we're we're just going to jump over like the episodes that have aired this season. But there is a new character this season, Dr. Al Hashimi, played by. Let me get this actress because. She's quite good. And she's been in other HBO stuff. Let's see. ah a set
00:26:39
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Septimofi. She was in. I mainly know her from. She was in the ah but the Wire creators show that he did about sex workers in like the 70s New York. The Deuce. She was she was really good in that. Yeah.
00:26:57
Speaker
I mean, most of the cast besides one declaring exception of... We'll we'll get to them. Of that show is really good. thought you decided we'd get to him like, like, i was like, James Franco's in the pit.
00:27:10
Speaker
thought for For a moment that you, when you were saying that, I thought you were referring to like the new cast members of see the pit season two. But then halfway through that, I recognized that you were talking about James Franco. And I was like, you know what? I'm going stick with it. I like the idea that like James Franco will be rolled in on a bed and they're just going like, there's nothing we can do.
00:27:29
Speaker
Put them in the incinerator. Yeah. Just like in the first five minutes of Alien Covenant, he just like dies, burns up in his sleep. And they're like, oh, damn.
00:27:40
Speaker
it's It's one of those scenarios where like it's it's one of those patients where they come in and it seems like there's nothing wrong with them. And then all of a sudden they get like a like a blood clot or something and they just die. Right. Like if he if he had a fate like that, then that's the only way that he could like I would accept that on the show, you know?
00:27:56
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. To get back to the new doctor, right? This new kind of person who's stepping in. Dr. AI, as she's been affectionately called on online. ah So, like, one of the... i there's there's There's multiple points that we could come at her from, but if one of her main things this season she keeps pushing is that there's this app that uses a generative AI that that can speed up charting that she's like... And she keeps hammering home, like, you still need to proofread it because there's, like, a 2%... you know, margin of error. But it's like you're in a field where a 2% margin of error could like mean someone's life. Like even for lower stakes fields, like it seems like that's pretty risky to use. Like ah one of those, you know, apps or something put something out to like, it was specifically being billed to like, like, oh, for like accountants and people in financial jobs, like you can use the software to speed it up. But then they also like put asterisks and like, sometimes it gets numbers wrong. So, you know, be careful.
00:28:55
Speaker
Like, wait a minute, that's their job is numbers. That's like telling me like my abacus is missing beads, right? Like that's the last thing you want to hear, right? and And also like it's interesting too that we have this whole like AI ah option that's provided to Santos because obviously Santos is like the vehicle for this, all this kind of stuff to come up.
00:29:16
Speaker
But then there's, I think it's Dana who comes up to Santos and talks to her about just dictating it you know just like speaking into their phone and then i think it's actually there is it king is it is a doctor king perhaps perhaps it's king because they have that heart-to-heart right but to get to what i'm saying here right like in terms of uh trying to you know do their charting just like from a efficiency from a proficiency standpoint king has the upper hand over ai technically right they yeah have to proofread either option either way right it's just a matter of like you your own words that you just kind of messed up or a misdiagnosis that you may miss before it gets set up upstairs and somebody has the like the wrong surgery. Right. And I think that this show is bringing up this AI thing because it's a very similar problem that we saw with Dr. Robbie in the last season trying to improve efficiency. Right. It's the same forces. Right. Like it's it's ah money people who are trying to ah push efficiency. Right. Right. if the technology isn't quite there yet, even if the space isn't quite available, like in the first season. Right. It's the situation where, ah you know, they're trying to rush things forward to try to do more wealth extraction. But the core issues are still present. And it's apparent ah in this season just as much so as it was in the last season.
00:30:34
Speaker
But the interesting thing with Al Hashimi is, is that like there's seems to be contradictions of like that she's pushing efficiency in this form. But then also like a lot of the other characters on the ensemble that like there's a streak of empathy and then that she'll go above and beyond to try and like do something for certain patients that might not be like like. that even Robbie is like when they have that, uh, that convict who comes in, who like, you know, got stomped on and he's like, okay, well it's time to send them back. Like we don't have the room for it. And then, you know, she's like, well, he's not getting good enough nutrition there. Like we, let's find a way to to keep them here for a few days. So it's like, ah it's, it's interesting. And I'm like, cause she, she's not like purely an administrator, purely a money person. So it's like, like obviously she's,
00:31:20
Speaker
She's a doctor. She wants to help people. But somewhere down the line, she got convinced that this was actually the and she even has the line. The most recent episode is like, yeah, just because the system's busted doesn't mean you don't try you know to to fix it or something. So she sees this as some kind of salve or possible solution to address the systemic woes. But it's not. No, I think it's i think it's actually more cynical than that. I think that she sees Noah Wiley going on this sabbatical, and I think she's trying to squeeze him out. I think that that's what's about to happen. She's she's coming in here and she wants to do but ah like at an aggressive expansion kind of thing. And furthermore, like that all this talk could talk about efficiency, right?
00:32:04
Speaker
Like the the the goal should be betterment of the treatment. Right. And while her heart is in the right place, because everybody's in the on the show, their heart is in the right place. Right. Like nobody wants a patient to die or to give them worse treatment. Right. But she's missing things often in scenes like she is not on the same level as even just the regular doctors who are in there. Sometimes she's being amazed by the techniques they're pulling off. And yet she's still carrying herself as if like she's got something above them. As if she knows a bit more, as if she's got something to teach them.
00:32:36
Speaker
And especially that comes out during the AI conversation. What I'm getting at here is that I don't think that she's like a bad person. I don't think that, you know, she's doing any of these things maliciously. I think that she genuinely believes what she's doing is the right thing. And I do think that she's like, a you know, ah ambitious ah ladder climber. ah But at the same time, I think that she's a little blind to the ah problems that some of her methods could cause.
00:33:02
Speaker
I agree with that. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we've we've already seen that play out and it'll be interesting to see. Like, she's already kind of been forced to confront the the flaws in her approach, but she kind of is just dismissive in terms of like, well, I told you, like, you got to proofread it. So it's like, it's going to take some like major, like, I feel like someone's just going to have to die because of her AI app. And then we see like what...
00:33:29
Speaker
Okay, what how does she react to that? Because then that's the true test of like, does she like, okay, maybe you guys do know something that I don't and, you know, she humble humbles herself or does she dig her heels in and then maybe try and find a scapegoat? Like it could go either way. I mean, like you said, like none of the characters are actively like – you know They're all doing what they think is best, but she is human. And when if something push comes to shove, especially for something big like that, for someone especially someone who's very like you know careerist and career-minded, driven like that, that's like...
00:34:04
Speaker
Will, yeah, will she actually take accountability for when her app causes a major, like, thing? Because it's going to, it's just not, it's not a matter of if, it's when. it's it's It's, we're you know, we're, like, almost, like, halfway through the season, right? It's episode six, so it's it's just a matter it's a matter of time. Within the next couple episodes, it's going to happen. Or i alluded to, i don't remember if this was on mic during our season one talk, in the previews for the season, it seems like there's going to be some kind of, like,
00:34:33
Speaker
power outage or something that knocks out their network and they're kind of to go manual so like that's also going to be like it seems like she's completely tied to the tech that there's not really like she might just fall apart like when that happens I don't know I don't know like how someone like that at least from what we've seen maybe that reawakens her old training and she you know has to get down and you know dirt you know do things manual again and you know she sees the value in that that could also you know be that kind of makes sense for this kind of show of her of instead of it just being like pure her being a purely antagonistic force of it being like you know like oh no she's going to come over to their side eventually but it did it will it will take some
00:35:15
Speaker
some trials and things that are going to go wrong before that to happen. The only thing that makes me like fully on edge about her is actually like the preview that we get for the, sorry, ah ah is the preview that we get for the next episode.
00:35:32
Speaker
ah Because the next episode they're showing that like the CEO of the hospital is coming by in like board shorts and a t-shirt. I love i love that that outfit he has. It reminds me of that scene in in the The Irishman where – Yeah, Stephen Graham comes to the doors. He just comes with short. What's happening?
00:35:51
Speaker
Like, can you believe this weather, Frank? and and the And the interesting thing about that clip is that ah she is standing right behind him. Right. And she is happy that he's there. Right. And so there's like a personal connection or she's trying to work a personal connection.
00:36:07
Speaker
Or she knows what's coming and is a fan of it. And based on the way that what that the way that that is being presented to us, as anybody who's watched a movie or a television show before, we know that what he's about to say is about to be a bunch of bullshit. So, um you know, not to, you know, do much theorizing about what the future could be for this show. But I think that both of us are seeing that there is some kind of, ah you know, a future that's being presented that needs to be kind of reckoned with in a way. Very similarly to the first season, how ah Dr. Robbie was going back and forth with that head higher up as well. Right. So the show's not like repeating itself so much as it's using this structure as a way to talk about another aspect within the health care industry. And I do also appreciate the fact that, again, similarly to the first season, it's not trying to, you know,
00:36:59
Speaker
make the American health care industry seem better than it actually is. Like they show a lot of the horrors of it and a lot of the reasons why it's held back. So I really appreciate the show still for being consistent in its morals as well.
00:37:12
Speaker
Yeah, it's – I mean we get that in multiple storylines. ah I mean in the first season we did, of course, but in this season ah we have a patient who I believe he's like – was working construction or something and he ah you know he fainted and you know they they saw that he he's diabetic. It's like he hasn't been able to take his medicine in the way that he's supposed – he's kind of like halving the dose just so he can stretch it out more because it's like he doesn't have – the insurance to to pay for it. But that's also... Pulling a Langdon.
00:37:44
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. yeah so ah Self-medicating or deciding your own dosages. And honestly, like I've been, I have, you know, ah you know, state provided healthcare care now. So thankfully that covers my medications. But I've i've been there where it's like you got to...
00:38:00
Speaker
fucking stretch shit out and you're like, I think I could do a different dose of this. ah Don't probably don't do that. It's like, you know, different degrees of consequences depending on what it's for. But especially if you're diabetic, like that's not going to work.
00:38:15
Speaker
And so you know, he has to be hit with the reality of like one, he needs to be taking his medicine that he can't afford. But then also his stay in the hospital because they need to keep him there longer in order for him to actually like get better uh but he won't be able because the emergency room is fucking expensive so uh they have to figure out like a workaround for that and actually the one who comes up with the workaround is one of the the med students like the one of the new med students uh come comes up with that uh believe what i'm trying to remember the the new character she's got glasses she's short
00:38:51
Speaker
Mm-hmm. forget our name as well i just want to let the audience at home know you know like what doug was saying before about his experiences we are trained professionals right you know you know how jackass opens with the yeah those title cards right you know just imagine one of those but also i agree with yeah everything you're saying in terms of it being like true to life you know you get to those desperate situations right you just You need to make do with what you got, right? And with and the one thing I love about the storyline, this idea that... um
00:39:24
Speaker
ah the daughter starts a GoFundMe to try to like supplement the costs. And then there's this added layer where the father feels shame for it. Right. And he wants her to take it down. And again, speaking to like the American health care's inadequacies, inadequacies in terms of taking care of its people. Right. The fact that it takes people having to make GoFundMes to get life saving ah care is just absurd in any country, let alone one that's supposedly a first world nation. Right.
00:39:52
Speaker
It's absurd. And I remember when that started becoming a trend that they were it was almost presented in like a heartwarming context of like, oh, look at how everyone came together to help this person get out here It's like that shouldn't have to happen. Like we should all just have health care full stop. Like exactly.
00:40:11
Speaker
it it wouldn't it It wouldn't be such a heartwarming thing if the solution, which is is surprisingly easy to tackle, right, was addressed. You know, like that's that's all it really comes down to, right? But ah ah the fact that this show can have that kind of conversation, you know, instead of like – going on cable and watching whatever doctor show, right? The good doctor, right? The best you're going to get it's like is like a, you know, illness of the week. Maybe like, I don't know.
00:40:40
Speaker
Maybe someone's got like some kind of like, I don't know. Like it's always like random shit where they're just focused on one thing where it's like... Oh, but it's harder for me to do blank or something. And then it's like, it's okay. I've been there too. And then they have like a ah hug moment, right? The show, this show will do that like rapid fire and then it will find ways to just do it very quickly without having to overplay its hand, which I really appreciate.
00:41:05
Speaker
but But also without having some kind of realistic, unrealistic solve of like, yeah, whatever, we we've we solved it for you. It's like they can find, sometimes they can find the solution for this patient is that we are going to move him to another floor. And even though he is like, they don't admit people who are like hooked up to the thing that he needs for his diabetes is like, okay, we're just going to give that to him in pill form so he can be admitted to to that floor, which is cheaper. Like, it's like, that's he's still going to owe that money and they're probably they're still gonna need that go fund me like like that that's like still in play like he they kind of is more of like him having to x you know uh you have some humility and and accept of like like okay yes well you're probably here man because there's like no other way you're gonna be able to even with the discounted thing that they figured out like you're still gonna owe this money so you just gotta do that
00:41:58
Speaker
The fact that like the end of this arc really is just like somebody holding a clipboard, just being like, we'll see what we can do. You know, it's you know that it's not exactly going to go the way that it should. Right. ah But also speaking to kind of like some of the things that because i actually like not to even say from like a recency bias thing, but i I truly think that the episode that just aired episode six of season two, I think this is like one of the better episodes of the show. right i don't I'm not saying best or anything, but it's like everything that I like about the show is here, you know?
00:42:31
Speaker
I would agree. And then also, right as the credits there, this was directed by Noah Wiley. And a shockingly well-directed episode of television. Because we talked about in season one of how, at least from what I've seen of ER, in a very ER-like manner, there's a lot of long takes as we follow all this very complex blocking and action that's occurring on screen. But like...
00:42:55
Speaker
there's seemed There's like just a casualness to way the way the camera floats through all the spaces and in this episode that I really – it's doing a similar thing was where we're tracking a lot in like, you know, contained ah you know amounts of – like within single takes we're we're following all this action. But it just – it kind of fits the energy of the show. We've talked about like how that kind of casually doesn't – it doesn't overplay a lot of these like serious issues or or themes. And it's like – it's almost like visually it was doing that same thing too.
00:43:26
Speaker
I would actually like I'm not sure how many people have done this. It almost feels hacky for me to say it because it feels so obvious. But obviously, this show is pulling so much from like Robert Altman, you know, and the way that there's like these overlying, overlaying audio tracks, the way that there are these like very deep. Yeah.
00:43:51
Speaker
you'll follow one character bleed into another character all that stuff and then on this episode in particular they were going really hard with that like there were moments where like People were like in the background of a frame. you would start to follow them. A person would enter into the foreground, carry you somewhere else. It was really well choreographed, but there was actually something. And then there's also like this great shot that people have been sharing on the internet from this episode where there's like,
00:44:15
Speaker
several different windows throughout different rooms. And there's like four layer deep of like different doctors who are just looking at each other through the windows. And like, it's evocative for the moment. And then it's also evocative just as its own standalone image. Like you could hang that in a gallery and it would make sense. Right. There was something really wonderful about that. And then also, some park sham wood shit like having multiple reflections in, in, in a single shot. Like, I love that. Yeah.
00:44:43
Speaker
and And the fact that the like the the image was composed in such a way to where ah some of those characters, those figures were very small in the frame. Yet somehow, even just looking at it, you knew who you were looking at. You knew each of the doctors that were in that frame. And I really love that from a storytelling perspective and then also just from like, you know, a visual composition thing. But actually, one of my favorite scenes of direction in this episode, and it speaks to, like, a lot of why this show is good overall, is there's a sequence where, like, a guy had his leg broken open, right? And ah they have to turn off the lights because they have this UV light thing. And they're like, we're going to shove this in your leg. And if, like...
00:45:24
Speaker
The goo comes out of your leg and it's glowing out like it's glow in the dark. Right. Like if it's coming out of your leg, then we know we have to take it to surgery. Right. That is like the perfect setup for any kind of like prop in a movie or a TV show where you' it's like, of course, you're going to get the glow in the dark goo to come into the guy's leg. Right. You set that up. You're going to do it. Right. And then it doesn't do it. It decides like they decide to move them along.
00:45:46
Speaker
It's Chekhov's goo. They did Chekhov's goo. It was crazy. And I was like, it's such a visually, um you know, dynamic thing to just introduce out of nowhere. And obviously it's treated very casually as well. ah But it's like these little moments where you're like, of course, I'm going to see the goo come out. Of course, I'm going to see like, you know, some neon stuff. And then they don't do it and they just move on to the next thing. The show can always...
00:46:10
Speaker
pull that rug from underneath you yeah it subverts in in ways like like almost at this point i'm expecting the subversion but then it still subverts that like in in a way that i don't expect and i feel like we're going to have to rip the band-aid off and talk about this this patient in this case this the this beloved i mean louis louis louis This is sadder than the ah season two or was it season three Louis CK Louis the show arc where his girlfriend dies in a hospital and he walks away on New Year's. That that is the hyper niche for anybody who's unfortunately watched that show.
00:46:54
Speaker
I've watched that show and I forgot that. up I don't know if it's just like protect my brain protecting itself that and some some of those those have been lost. I mostly remember David Lynch being on it and then like some of the Seinfeld episodes that he was on. Although I don't know. Robin Williams.
00:47:12
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like one of his last performances was on that show. Damn. Yeah, yeah. ah So anyway, back to the pit. Yeah. ah louie Back to a good show.
00:47:26
Speaker
Louis Cloverfield, as we've established it, that is canonically his full name. ah Wild. i I want to know in the writer's room whose ideal was that and was it an intentional reference? You know, like were they thinking like, it's been a while since we've gotten her anything from the Cloverfield universe. I think let's just do this like everyone's favorite patient. Like, let's just have them. be named cloverfield one of the writers is just a really big dan track denberg fan a
00:47:58
Speaker
yeah so yeah louie louie's back you know he's the regular he's an alcoholic and like we talked about season one it's something they all know that it's like he's shrinking himself to an early grave like there's not they can they can and maybe have in the past suggested like you know like treatment you know like go go to AA take an ease on your liver. They know he's not going to do any of that. So all they can do is help him there. And like, it was crazy how much they had to drain this fluid from like, I guess it was from his liver that had collected from just like all the, you know, fucking shit he'd been drinking. And it like filled like six bottle, like, like it's hilarious.
00:48:36
Speaker
it kept It just kept going. And it was like, yeah, a normal patient they would do that for would be maybe be be like three bottles they have to drain. And he kind of had an idea of like – it was like, yeah, probably like a couple more after they were on bottle four. And it was six bottles. So it's like, it's like oh, so you've done you've done all this before. ah and then – My favorite aspect was how, like, good he was feeling, you know? Like, he was always just like, oh, this hits the spot. Oh, I'm yeah glad it's finally happening, you know? and it Because, like, you know, the season, you know, it's been very tension-heavy without a lot of, like, unleashing, and you know that something's coming around the corner. And every time they would check in on Louis, would just be like, keep it coming. Yeah.
00:49:19
Speaker
like he was He was a very stable force throughout this early half. So then when we do get that moment where, you know, things were going so well and then just on the flick of a dime, he's not doing well at all. And Robbie about to bring him a beer is the craziest part. Exactly.
00:49:37
Speaker
Like it's 4th of July, we should say, like, that's the day that this shift takes place on. So like you have people who are like mid celebration or trying to get back to a party. So there was like there was like a patient who was waiting on a room and someone came to visit him and like had like a mini cooler. it was like, all right, we're going party here. then, you know Robbie, Robbie took the the beers like, come on, man, it's um it's ah it's it's an yeah ER. And then he grabs one of the beers And then goes off. He's kind of been a a little bit of an enabler season because there's like a line where he's like, oh, yeah, dana where he's like, don't don't you need to smoke right now or something? He's enabler to everyone but Langdon. But we'll get we'll get back to our point oh a little bit. ah Yeah.
00:50:18
Speaker
He's playing with lang Langdon's heart right now. Oh, I can't wait to talk about Langdon. But but we got to keep talking about Louis because i like that moment at the beginning of this episode, right? The fact that this moment just happens the way that it does. Louis' death is probably like, cause because Louis' death is the evolution of like all of those characters getting over the shit from the first season, right? Because think about how many times like they all tried their best to save somebody and they tried really hard and they failed and they just couldn't do it.
00:50:47
Speaker
you know And they tried for too long. Like like they kind of didn't recognize the point of no return where it's like, there's nothing we can do. We need to call it. No, they kept trying, you know. And here, very somberly, they try all the things that they can try.
00:51:03
Speaker
and even though they love Louis, they have to call it, you know, and be like... this this is it. Like, call it. Like, yeah, he's gone. and And like, I don't want to like, you know, put too much on Robbie in this sense, but you do get the impression that Robbie is already kind of like questioning Langdon the the entire time that he's been working, right? And he's already getting upset about the woman that he, you know, was looking at her foot, right? And something went worse with that, right? Yeah. um and so And when he sees what's happening with Louis on the end of the last episode before this most recent one you can hear and like that he's like you know kind of like untrusting of Langdon being with Louis when that stuff happened despite like Langdon himself being quite close with Louis right like he had a very good bond with him and then even when they're trying to save him and Langdon tries to intubate him but then there's all this blood coming up through his lungs and like Robbie's even questioning if he did that correctly is like
00:51:59
Speaker
He says something about like the way he went in is like you you did it right. Right. And like Langdon did. He didn't fuck up any of this. Like like we said a lot of the times like these are all the good doctors and the things that go wrong are like either like freak incidents or like things you could not have anticipated. This is like it's the spot of like they could have anticipated this because this was inevitable for for Louie. Like that it they just didn't expect it to happen now today that it's like yeah because he was you he was chill. He was just having a great time. he was having a great time and he was chilling. So it's like, yeah, I mean, obviously this guy is going to die early.
00:52:38
Speaker
Look at him. He's an alcoholic. So it's like this is not going to end well. But like, yeah, they just – no one was expecting that. And that's why it hit so hard. Because I kind of was thinking was like, nah, they'll save him. Most people on the show get saved. And those the big death will be something else like deeper in the season. Like, no, this is – I mean, there probably still will be other deaths that will have major ramifications. But – This is going to, you know hang over them. And especially the one that had been taking the most direct, besides Langdon, because Langdon was kind of, ah you know, having having these personal moments with with Louis. ah Whitaker was the one also yeah who was, like, having a lot of one-on-one time with Louis. And pointedly, he's not there when it happens. He was yeah taking care of something else. And then after it happens, they're like, sorry, we didn't have time to get you No, no, it's worse than that. It's fucking Ogilvy, the worst fucking person in the world. Every time I see him in the fucking frame, I want to elbow him in the face, right? He says he fucking croaked the fucking gall on that dude to say that about Louis of all people.
00:53:48
Speaker
Okay, we we don't need to spend too much time on Ogilvy, but fuck this guy. The worst. He's one of the new med students, and he seems competent, like, you know, on the baseline cop that they all have, everyone on this show.
00:54:02
Speaker
But, like, he doesn't even seem like like Santos was cocky and could back it up. Like, I don't even think this guy is Santos. Like, like I feel like he thinks he's Santos, but, like... He almost killed someone. He almost kills someone by trying to pull out that piece of glass. Right. And it speaks to who he is, where it's like he he does know a lot. He does have a lot of knowledge. Right. But then he lets that get to him if he gets too much praise. And then he just ends up becoming like ah careless, you know, ah doesn't reckless even, you know. And that's not the kind of vibe you want on the show.
00:54:37
Speaker
In a hospital, right? The only person he seems to defer to is weirdly Donnie, like the nurse who's now this year, he's like an RN. So he has a little more ah authority and in Donnie rules. But like, I'm curious, like, why you you kind of don't give a shit about respect to anyone else? Why? i Again, I'm saying this with all love to Donnie, but I'm like, why why? Because he's like, oh, I've... You know, I heard you do the best, you know, like stitch work or something, you know, and like sewing up this guy's leg. i'm like, is there like a romantic thing? You're like, why, why, why are you zeroing in on Dottie right now?
00:55:15
Speaker
Dottie's got a family, you know, like, come on. Yeah. Ogilvy was just one of those people when when they came me on screen, I knew what their deal was. that You give a character that kind of haircut and you're telling me that I should not like them, right? Well, just his stance. like He'll just stand with his stethoscope and just be like kind of like, whatever, bro.
00:55:36
Speaker
Yeah, he's like, what are we going to do something fun, you know? I'm glad that he got poop on his finger, you know? I'm glad that they made sure that that was something that we got see. Yeah, that was great. See, this is why this show's great.
00:55:49
Speaker
And Whitaker even... And it's it is not just a funny moment. It's good storytelling because it's like parallel Whitaker getting peed on because Whitaker even can see that there's about to be a butt explosion. It's almost like gesturing. He's like, not saying it in a complete sentence, but he's like trying to... but get out to Ogilvy's like, uh, you may wanna, and I don't, for whatever reason, Ogilvy's not like registering what Whitaker's saying, or maybe he just doesn't give a shit because he doesn't respect Whitaker. But, uh, for that, he gets shit all over him
00:56:20
Speaker
Yeah. and and And it's a moment where everybody in the back of the stadium is even like on their feet cheering, you know, like everybody has been waiting for a moment like this. And the fact that it's like scooping butt out of a granny's butt, you know, just like the added detail of that, you know, it's just perfect. But he learns nothing from it. There's no humility learn or even from the glass pulling thing, which should be like, oh I, you know, I flew too close to the sun. I was maybe I'm not as big a hot shot as I think I am. I still have things to learn.
00:56:50
Speaker
I don't think that was his takeaway from anything that he's experienced so far. Which leads me to believe we're leading to like a bigger fallout. It's like that it's like the like they something really worse could have happened from the glass thing. They were able to stabilize that patient. But it's like he's going to end up killing someone. in a more i Maybe even a little more because like other – You know, even Whitaker, you know, in his first, you know, year ah you know, he lost someone. But it's like it was never framed as like, yeah, Whitaker fucking fucked up. I feel like it's going to be maybe the most overt we've seen a character like fuck up in terms of like, yeah, this patient is pretty but it is dead because of like that. Like that's that's coming. I feel like.
00:57:33
Speaker
it It is only a matter of time, and I really wouldn't be surprised if, like, Ogilvy is used as the vehicle in which Langdon and Robbie are able to make up in some way, right? Because, like, no matter what you could say about, like, the worst Doctor from even the first season, that ah glass thing alone, just in the way that it was handled, was so harsh, right? Using Whitaker as an example, again, and we should definitely get into him at some soon ah in this season, too. But Whitaker as a character was always like really wanted to do the best work. And when he did mess up, he was super apologetic. he is He's in touch with his emotions in a very raw and honest way and puts others before himself. Right.
00:58:15
Speaker
um And in terms of this season, he has a bit of confidence. He has a bit of swagger. He has a bit more stability in his life, but he still has that baseline empathy. I don't feel as though he's, you know, like let let any of his better fortunes change him in any way.
00:58:30
Speaker
I think he knows he's a good doctor, but he still... exactly He knows his place, basically, is that he knows that he still has things to learn and who to defer to. Like, he it's not like he's ah ever going to be like, yeah, fuck Robbie. I know more than him. Like, no, he still defers to the people he knows to defer to. Even things like...
00:58:48
Speaker
when they were prescribing pain medication for Louie and Whitaker decides to be the one to like put in the script because he was technically the one who was like seeing Louie first. He then starts like being like, fuck, that's going to come off his, is, is like Langdon going to be mad at me and think this is like me judging him like on on an attic thing. Cause like, like shit, like he feels bad about it instead of just being like, yeah, fuck Langdon, that fucking junkie. I know better than him. Like, no, he's like, yeah
00:59:20
Speaker
and they I think other than Robbie, who needs to get over himself a little bit, that they all like ah understand Langdon's value. Like that, like no, no one's like, ah, fuck this guy's back. But, but then we get that reveal in this episode, right? Where it's like nobody had texted him or anything when he was retreated treatment. And that's at this moment, we got to talk about Langdon, right? Because if there's ever been. Guess who's back. Back again. Langdon's back. Tell a friend.
00:59:46
Speaker
Guess who's back. Guess who's back. Guess who's back. Guess who's back. man not not not See, see you you went with Eminem. But like if i've if I've ever seen a character who's been more Drake coded, you know.
01:00:04
Speaker
i't Like, this is him, you know, like Langdon. I feel like this like real friends should be like going off when he's like walking into the hospital and and he's just like, I'm surrounded by snakes, you know, and then he goes. And while he was gone, robb like Robbie dropped a diss track that had like a picture of ah ah a GPS. The morphine angle was the one I was expecting.
01:00:27
Speaker
The cover to the diss track was just like the Google Maps of of of his place. And instead and and if Google Maps had instead of like a predator symbol, it had like a junkie one. they just had that all over Langdon's house.
01:00:42
Speaker
is is It's just a picture of David Hasselhoff eating a cheeseburger off the ground. but Dr. Langdon in this season, right? I love him because he's rusty. I love him because he is unsure of himself, but he's still just as great of a doctor as he ever was. And as we said on the last season, you know, he was a drug addict, but he was never a bad doctor. And the only time that he, like, the only time he got snippy was when people thought, were accusing him of being a drug addict, right? So to have him here where he's genuinely apologetic and only just, like, rusty because he hasn't been in practice this entire time, you know? It's it's fun to see him come back into the swing of things and to have a lot more interaction with customers, ah not customers, patients. And... I used the term ah baby girlification of the show on the last ah season. I feel like if and anybody got the baby girlification treatment on the show but this season, it is totally him.
01:01:42
Speaker
Langdon is getting all of the baby girling. For some reason, the fandom was assuming that he had been divorced or his wife left him like in the meantime. I saw like a lot of comments like that. And then when it was confirmed... Like when he says to Dana that like, oh, that he is really thankful that his wife, you know, like believed in him and gave him a second chance. And he's like, yeah, it's because she's a good woman. But people were like surprised at that. I was like, I didn't assume that his wife until the show tells me that he's divorced. I wasn't going to like be like, oh, obviously he he lost everything, including his yeah family. Yeah.
01:02:19
Speaker
Like, have you interfaced with anybody in the world? Right. It's like there are people who are with other people who are drug addicts and they get through it together. You know, that is the thing that happens. Right. It's not like, oh, no, you you are this. And now I leave you forever or something. It does happen a lot. Right. But then that's also what the show is saying in terms of like the had something going on. And his wife takes off the mask. It's Dr. Robbie. And he's like, I'm leaving you. I got pregnant with your kids this entire time. Figure that out, you know, and then he leaves.
01:02:52
Speaker
We're finished. What we had, it was false. But the the the the the thing too is that, um you know, Langdon keeps on trying to make amends with everybody, but everybody is just, they don't want to talk about it. And it's a mixture of both like they see it as an embarrassment and they just kind of want to like move past it. Right. And then there's also the other element where they don't,
01:03:15
Speaker
trust him at all right like santos specifically right he's giving him the side eye the entire time and also i do feel as though uh you know on the last season uh dr robbie definitely saw langdon as his number two right i think that when we come in on this season i think that santos has taken that position over and absolutely absolutely she's she's she's his favorite yeah yeah she's she's the She's the new Langdon, which makes it interesting that really all – we've kind of just been seeing Santos as more fallible so far because she's, like, really tired and making all these, like, little mistakes or, like, is like – the charting's holding her back and and stuff like that. So it's it's is this like, oh, okay, so is this also going to be a path towards –
01:04:02
Speaker
Langdon's reascension, but it's like, ah, Santos is s slipping. Langdon's coming back. I feel like he wouldn't do that in like an intentional malicious way. He seemed fully humble in terms of like, if you have friends who've gone through the steps or recovery, like he's doing them. He seems very sincere in that. And, and like when he's ah trying to, even if the conversations themselves are awkward, he is very sincere in that when he's like, you know, one of the steps make amends. So he's like trying to have one-on-one time with everyone. Uh, to like, you know, apologize and frustrate. He get the one person that he really needs to do that with will not give him the time of day. Like, it's funny how you see Robbie like clock where Langdon is and i'll like, do like do go out of of another patient's room. Like it's basically, it turns into a stop he for for Langdon that he's like, he like goes like doing metal gear salad shit to avoid him.
01:04:54
Speaker
And it just also goes to show that like the problem with this equation isn't necessarily Langdon. Like it is actually Robbie being avoidant, right? Despite him being in a healthier spot than he was in the first season, the things that he was struggling with the first time around are still present this time around, right? He hasn't fixed all of his shit. And this with his behavior with Langdon is a part of that.
01:05:14
Speaker
And, you know, like the the the whole situation with Langdon, right? Like, that That situation very easily could have had his medical license revoked. It's very easy, like he's very easily could never have been a doctor again. Right. But like in the fact that he was able to come back the way that he has and to, you know, show that he has made amends in those ways, earnest in earnestness. Right. Right. That does speak to some level of good faith in at least the attempt. And I think that what's holding Robbie back is just like that this distrust, you know, and go back to Santos. Right.
01:05:45
Speaker
And how she's kind of being like, ah you know, seen as the second in command in the season. I find interesting that the way that she performs tired is very similar to like Robbie's normal demeanor. Right. Right. Like she'll have like the things around and like kind of like keep her like neck kind of like rested on the stethoscope to kind of like. And and and when Robbie does it, it feels like he's just kind of hanging out and he's throwing a ah smile. But then when you're seeing Santos do it, you're also thinking to yourself like, oh, like she's really tired. And like Robbie's also really tired as well. And it just feels like Robbie's found a way to like channel that tiredness into like a sarcastic wit. Right. Interesting. becomes his baseline after a certain amount of time, whereas with Santos, this feels like a departure.
01:06:30
Speaker
now Now let's now bring Langdon back into this equation, right? When Langdon was number two in the first season, he was never like that, right? Even though all of this shit was thrown onto his table, right? He didn't let that show on his face. He never cracked, right? Maybe it was the drugs. Maybe that was the thing that was helping him manage.
01:06:47
Speaker
But at the same time, ah Robbie is an overachiever, right? He does takes on too much and part of the job. Right. And with the people who are around them, they're taking on too much as well. Right. And perhaps what Langdon was doing was to cope with that. Perhaps Langdon was handling that cope, that stress better than Santos is in some ways. Who knows? Right.
01:07:07
Speaker
I'm just bringing all these things up because I'm interested to see how they play with these things as we move further into the season. Yeah, it's interesting. and And Noah Wiley said that, ah and I guess this is more than just like his read of the character since he also is a producer and like writer and and director on the show. But he's saying that a lot of ah Robbie's like ah issue with Langdon is that. he could see that Langdon has done the work on himself. And that's almost threatening to Robbie of like someone who is, he is in a plate where it's like, okay, I don't think he's going to jump off the roof, but he's riding his motorcycle without a helmet.
01:07:47
Speaker
And then also lie ah other, you know, his coworkers like data though that he wasn't right. But like so to someone else, I think to one of the patients, he says like, I ride with a helmet, you know? So it's like, it's, it's like, he's not even acknowledging there's like,
01:08:00
Speaker
You maybe have a little bit of a death wish going on. Like you're about to go on a long motorcycle trip too. You're probably not going to be wearing your helmet on during it. ah Yeah. So I think that there's still this lingering thing of like, is Robbie okay? The answer is no, he's not. But it's like – how is that affecting his relationship? Not just like his – He's still a great doctor and like team leader. It's just that like he it's affecting maybe his judgment in terms of like other these other people like Langdon.
01:08:31
Speaker
He's becoming more selfish. Right. And that's part of the reason why he needs the sabbatical. And also the idea that, you know, riding without your helmet and all these things, if we're talking about him with suicidal ideation. Right.
01:08:42
Speaker
All it takes is just, you know, a little twist of the bike. Goes off the wrong way. It's very easily seen as an accident instead of a suicide. And, you know, he's that's the way that he could imagine himself going out, right? I mean, it's not scuba diving. He should go scuba diving if he wants a really clean out. that that's ah My best friend Noah Durst told me that if you want to...
01:09:02
Speaker
You give everyone a clean out for your suicide. You got to go scuba diving. bring Bring up our names when you talk to Nora. ah but you You'll get a a discount coupon, you know, just just as a heads up.
01:09:15
Speaker
um But ah there's another character I wanted to talk about in terms of like, I can't wait to see what happens next with them. You're not going to guess who I'm going to say. Dr. J, funniest fucking reveal.
01:09:29
Speaker
Funniest reveal of the season so far. The fact that she's a fucking influencer doctor is hilarious. Although it it tracks because well that was the first season, right, where there was the influencer patient that that she helped out with. So yeah almost exactly i almost feel like though those were the seeds of like being like, hmm, I could also do this.
01:09:54
Speaker
it's she Dr. J, like, is when that's when that's revealed, I'm just like, oh that makes so much sense. And, and like, yeah there's so many of these types of people, right, where it's like TikTok creators who are like, hi, I'm and a technical engineer, and now I'm going to also be a TikTok celebrity, right? Right. I feel like there's so many of those types. And Dr.
Dr. J's TikTok Identity and Family Dynamics
01:10:14
Speaker
J going down that route was just so funny to me, especially through the prism of her doctor parents, right? Because imagine how much shit she's probably talking about on that TikTok page. And she's not using...
01:10:26
Speaker
Her name. It's not just like the Dr. J is catchier and like makes more sense is like a web handle. But it's that she's askew. She's like, I'm making my own name for myself. I'm not using my parents name.
01:10:38
Speaker
Like I'm not Jabadi, you know, like that that has baggage of it. Not that like the random TikToker would know who, you know, ah that surgeon is. But it's it's that I feel like for her, she gets to carve her own identity.
01:10:52
Speaker
The fact that that one ah patient wants her specifically and sees her as like the smartest doctor, right? It's a very funny moment. And also, again, Langdon, right? Like Langdon is having so much fun with it, right? Like he's not like, you know, he's not making fun of them, but he's like, you know, playing into it a little going like, oh Dr. J, you're the best, you know? Yeah. Really But ah what you also see the Javadi, she's like so excited that somebody knows them and sees them for who they are in that moment. And I'm like, really sweet. Seems like something that would actually happen if like whatever a doctor is doing this kind of shit. And I'm just kind of also very excited to see what the fallout of this is going to be. Like, I feel like her parents going hate this. Well, then because then there's also the whole. through line of the nurses finding out that it's going to be her 21st soon because we didn't mention like, uh, we get a lot of hints to, but it's confirmed like that she's not 21, like that she like was able to skip grades just cause she's just like a fucking, that's how great of a student she And probably just cause of the extra pressure put on her by parents to like overperform academically. ah but that she, you know, she was under 21 in the first season. Now she's about to be 21. So like the nurses are kind Yeah, we need to throw something for Dr. Javadi. So I don't know if there's going to be some kind of the convergence of of those of these things of like it's, you know, ah a little mini birthday celebration. And then like the mom gets wind of it somehow. I think her dad is also a surgeon. We're going to meet him this season. Like he was in a can't wait something. So I'm interested what the dynamic like obviously there's going to be pressure from either side if they're both in the medical field. But I wonder if the dad has maybe like a more chill like, you know, maybe he's a girl dad, you know, so that he's like closer with with her than than the mother, you know, so. like It's a good cop, bad cop situation.
01:12:47
Speaker
hmm. Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see that dynamic play out ah and how both of them react to finding out about this, like, ah you know, but web infamy. So, ah yeah, ah i'm I'm interested to see where that's going. She's she's great. I mean, i've I've always liked her. She's just adorable. Her awkwardness is
Dr. J's Romantic Endeavors
01:13:10
Speaker
adorable. But then it's like she is competent, like she's great, like she like everyone else. They're They're good do they're all good doctors.
01:13:18
Speaker
Of course. Exactly. I'd be upset if they weren't, you know, if they if they weren't doing the right thing. um We got to talk about Dorf, right? ah Fucking ahs guy who's trying to hit on her in the while he's got the leg thing on. And then she's, like, also flirting with this, like, old dude. with the What the hell was that? It was hilarious, but also, like, a nice moment of her coming over. The season begins with her oversharing to... Was it Santos? It was someone...
01:13:47
Speaker
Someone younger that she's like, I need to get laid. You know, like that's like... It was Santos. It was Santos. Yeah. She says that at the very beginning of the season. So then you first you have this old guy who's like... He's like a Walmart greeter something, but but also sounds like a a player because he's like, my social calendar is the most important thing. Like I can't...
01:14:07
Speaker
He like kind of lays out his whole strategy to where he takes everyone and then like how that works. so He's like, I can't change my social calendar. That's but what I live for. but and then and then there's I forget what the other guy, you know, the more age appropriate interest is, is therefore it's a very minor soccer player or a football player. Like he's like sprained his ankle or something. He's an athlete of some sort.
01:14:29
Speaker
Yeah, he he's spraying something and he yeah is just complimenting her the whole time. And then he does shoot a shot and ask her out and then she kind of plays it off. But then Circle it comes back and is like, ah yeah, let's they make plans to go to like some art thing, I think, after her shift or or something. It's like. The
Death Doula's Role and Intentions
01:14:49
Speaker
plan is for tonight. So she's like, actually, begins the shift. I need to get laid. Sees these hot guy opportunities like, hmm, let's capitalize on this. And just the idea. And it's not even the only character of this season who's possibly picking up patients as potential dates like Donna with the inmate. Yeah. The most recent episode. Right. Like there there are, ah you know, whenever they they cross that line, I always think to myself, is that some kind of like breach of some kind of like social contract? But then it's also like, you know, these are all just people trying to move through life and they're trying to, you know, do the best that they can to suit all of those needs at any given moment.
01:15:31
Speaker
A patient that's like that, too. That we should talk about is ah the the patient, like the there's the the dying ah mother, not mother, a wife with the doting husband who just like is, you know, really like trying really hard, but like she's almost like given up.
01:15:49
Speaker
in a way and And then the reveal that she has a death doula, which I had never heard. I've heard of a doula, you know, who helps deliver and bring life into the world. But and then I was like, yeah, I guess there would be death doulas. Like, it's just like a logical extension of that, especially because end of life care is such a tricky thing to navigate. But who is the death doula? It's the night, like, ah charged. her Like, we see her go home at the beginning of the season and then she's back. I'm like, where the fuck do you sleep, girl? She takes naps when she's, you know, at at this family's house, you know. Yeah. But I was in the back of my mind, you know, the the genre movie fan part of me was just thinking to myself, I'm like, I'm really hoping this is like that Sarah Paulson movie run where like she's not actually like, you know –
01:16:40
Speaker
a terminally ill cancer patient. She's just like being intubated into illness through this death doula. And they're going to find out that like the death doula is the reason behind all of this. Like a part of you is just like, I don't trust you, death doula. you're You're up to something. We don't know much of a joe about...
01:16:58
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's it's it's a joke, but we don't know much about her other than that she's like the night shift, you know, like she's basically like the night version of Dana. Like that that's that's what her her job is normally. But in terms of like her actual demeanor, we're we're only seeing her like when they're dealing with the influx of the Pit Fest victim. So we don't really get any insights into like her personality or worldview other than like the like the baseline of everyone there that they want to save people. But... The fact that you've chosen
End-of-Life Choices and Emotional Dilemmas
01:17:27
Speaker
the job death doula kind of indicates a certain like you maybe understand that point of view to even more because like they're when they're there, their job is to save lives. Right. They want to save as many people as possible. But there is a little bit aligned when that mother or the wife is checked in where the husband is is like, yeah.
01:17:50
Speaker
Yeah, I freaked out and I called 911 of like, because like she was in hospice care and there's a lot of things in place where it's like you kind of aren't supposed to during a scenario like that. It's like even if they're in pain, you kind of just let it you find you find ways to make them as comfortable as possible. But like taking them to the hospital is like antithetical to that level of care. So there's there's like the the thing where you could kind of tell the husband hasn't fully accepted that this is the end for her.
01:18:20
Speaker
And then the whole like there's there's just a weird energy in in in those scenes because you see McKay kind of looking over the family. And I mean, obviously, obviously there could be some tension of like this is a a young mother who's dying. She's maybe thinking about herself and and and stuff like that. But I think there's also the tension of...
01:18:39
Speaker
kind of similar to like lost causes, like say Louie, where you know that there's only one way that this end, this is really confronting it of like, no, this this person is at the end and they, they decided that they didn't want the life-saving, you know, the husband brought her there. So it's like,
01:18:57
Speaker
the The kind of conflict of that, and it almost made me think of like, because at the end of this episode, you see the husband that that they're going to send her home, discharge her with the pain meds ah to take home.
01:19:10
Speaker
ah The husband goes on ahead. She's like, go ahead without me. I'm like, oh, are is she in the death duel going to come up with a like... i don't know. You just give me something like, i don't think assisted suicide is legal where they are. But if you are in that medical field, you have access to stuff and, you know, maybe she's of the because I, I don't know if this is a hot take. I think you should be able to, if you're in that level of pain or from they have something terminal, you should be able to check out whenever you want. I think that I don't think that's like a word ah controversial. We're Kevorkian build. We're Kevorkian build on this podcast. Okay. Okay. But obviously, right? And and I think it's i don't think that like it's going to be something like that, right? Where like they're going intubate her in that way. i think that it's it's more so that like she knows that her time is up just like within hours, perhaps, you know, she feels she's losing the power and the strength that she usually has. Right. Like she can't even physically leave the bed.
01:20:09
Speaker
Exactly. She has to get the bedpan and to her, that's like the ultimate indignity, right? Like to her, she's like, no, don't worry, I can go, you know, but then when she realized that she can't, she's like, oh, maybe I am much worse than I ah it could be. And by sending her husband
Cultural Solidarity in Unexpected Bonds
01:20:22
Speaker
home, she's like, she wants to die alone in peace because that in some way to her in her mind would provide some peace to her husband. It would be easier for him to not be there to witness that happen with her.
01:20:35
Speaker
um Or there's something darker going on, which I've heard some people try to say, but I'm like, i don't think it's anything like that. i oh that the husband is stooping the death doula or something? but I've seen people. That would be a good, for that would be great.
01:20:50
Speaker
I feel like the next episode is just like her going like, I know what you're doing with my husband. It's like some kind of like real housewives argument. Just goes full soap. Yeah. She like gets up.
01:21:03
Speaker
Yeah. just She's finally okay to stand and they have a fight. I think it's just going to be a much more som air a somber end to that because it's – You know, when someone chooses that is making those decisions, those end of life ah care decisions, the hospice, I feel like a lot of the time is the decision is like, I want to die in my home, you know, like with some kind of idea of of dignity. But that was kind of taken That plan shifted when she was brought to the hospital and now that her options are dwindling even faster than she probably anticipated that, like you said, like I think it's like she doesn't want she's kind of in her mind, I think, sparing her husband of like, you don't have to see me like this. And it's this is this is it, you know, but like you don't have to see me in this final, you know, like spare me that indignity because then that's also like, yeah, I don't want you seeing me like this. Well, the word that she's, well, the term she uses is that, like, she's seen the light leave his eyes, right? She no longer recognizes the warmth that they once had in a relationship context.
01:22:07
Speaker
So, ah to her, she feels as though, like That last moment would almost not be the same as if it were with a different version of that relationship. You know, like if if let's say she was terminally ill and then she just was on the deathbed suddenly and he was there, like it would be one thing. But like in some ways, the relationship isn't the same as it once was. Right. It's a complex way of looking at like connection, human connections in that way.
01:22:35
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Again, another reason why The Pit is a good show. But speaking of complex human relationships,
Racial Profiling and Mental Health Challenges
01:22:43
Speaker
we haven't talked about it at all. We need to get it out on the table, out the field. There is a Jewish-Muslim solidarity moment, I guess you could call it, right? And it definitely feels weird in a modern context, but we got to talk about it, right?
01:23:00
Speaker
No, I mean, it it only felt weird because I wasn't sure where the show was going. Because initially, like, ah you know, Robbie and her have have the the cultural connection and he's not really religious, but, you know, he was...
01:23:16
Speaker
raised in the faith and has, you know no you know, the temple that he was brought to as as a as a kid or or whatever. And then this is someone who went to Tree of Life where there was that that horrible shooting. and ah But the thing that I... because you know, we have the Muslim nurse in the room and there's like looks between the patient and the, and I was where i was like, Oh, like, where are we going here? but no, it ends up being a very wholesome thing because she's like, thank It's like your people were, were the ones who helped us, you know, raise money in the wake of it. You marched with us and you were there for us. ah Yeah. It's, it's, it's a nice moment. I mean, it's a simplified moment because you're making one person stand in for like all of,
01:24:02
Speaker
a a faith of of ah of a demographic because you'd be like, you yes, no, you but specifically, you youre you are every Muslim right now.
01:24:12
Speaker
man You on behalf as the Muslim delegate, right? I bestow upon you my gratitude. Right. But like, obviously, we're joking about it a bit. Right. But like the moment is genuinely nice. Right. It is like a like ah a very sweet, like recognition of humanity. um i think that the reason that it feels weird almost is because they're like mining the tension of it. Right. Or they're like, but that's a Jew and that's a Muslim. Right. Like they're they're going to know they're supposed to be. But, you know, yeah We're actually subverting it. And look, they they get along. You didn't think you didn't think we were yeah doing that. You didn't think that was even possible, did you? It feels like it's like straight out of like the Bush years almost. Right. Like that's something that would have been on like, you know, 2004 television almost.
01:25:02
Speaker
And, you know, like we're not there anymore. And also to like, you know, do that in a – because like the reason that that would always happen would be like this whenever people go like, oh, it's like imagining peace in the Middle East, you know, like it's always that kind of conversation, right? And the reality is it's like peace in the Middle East is actually pretty easy if you think about it from a certain perspective of like what's going on, right? Yeah, it should be. Yeah, it should be.
01:25:31
Speaker
Right. when it comes to that whole conflict, it's not it has nothing to do about the individuals. It has everything to do with just like larger military powers. Right. So that's ah the only reason where I get it there.
01:25:45
Speaker
All of that aside, ah basing it in a level of truth, having it. So this is something that like. Obviously did happen. And even if they had made it up for the show, this concept of like this one community sticking up for another one is, again, very true to life. You know, when the when, you know, we saw it in fucking Minneapolis recently. Right. Many communities were coming together to fucking help out one another there, despite the lack of ah solidarity between the police, even in the people, despite them technically being closer in some regards. Right. And they should do a nice storyline. When are get are we going get that?
01:26:20
Speaker
Man, like how crazy that would be. Imagine like, you know, they've got ice guards standing outside of the hospital waiting to pick up immigrants. Dr. Robbie, that's how Dr. Langdon gets back on Robbie's eye. Langdon like punches them in the face. Yeah, hell And then he like takes a puff from like a meth pipe to show that like he really doesn't give a fuck. Yeah.
01:26:39
Speaker
but This is only improvements here. And the show's already doing great, you know? The show's already doing great. Other topical storylines, or at least ones that feel... i yeah this This one feels more, I guess...
01:26:56
Speaker
Based in, like like you said, this one takes larger, so you know, stand-ins for these groups and then and then brings it down to a personal level. I think ah the the storyline about the Vogue starts personal and is then gesturing at larger stuff. But as you know, like like the show, most of the stuff is focusing on on the personal aspect. There's a a law student who seems to be suffering some kind of...
01:27:21
Speaker
psychotic break or like, you know, the having so having some kind of episode. But he's brought in because a security guard at the campus fucking tased him. And they have to they have to to drug the patient to get to get him to calm down. And then it's not until he's awake that they're able to like start actually investigating and figure out what happened. But ah the... So he's not losing his mind, right? Like he's totally fucking being victimized in some regard, in my opinion. Would would you agree? yeah it's The show seems like it is like trying to do both. So I'm curious to see. It's like because it's like, yes, he this cop for I don't know what he the cop was like, yeah, he's on drugs. So I had to tase him. And then they find out there's no drugs in his system. Maybe a little unrealistically that immediately has the cops who are taking the security guard statement change their tone like that changes things. I feel like the cops will still be on the security guard side to be like, well, that guy's black, though. So he probably was a threat. Right. Well.
01:28:20
Speaker
if we're If we're talking about, like, unrealistic, he wouldn't have tased him. He would have shot him. Right. Like, let's be real here. It's it like that that's how fucking dire it is. ah But what with when it comes to, like, this ah the way that they present it to us, like, they're trying to show us that he's, like, on the bed and he's going, ah you know, like, like filmmaking 101, you see that and you're like, oh well something's going on here, right? But as they keep on giving us more and more information, more of that information is just further and further proving that this guy isn't really that, like, he's not, like, an aggressive person at heart in any way, right? No, he's not aggressive at all, but maybe because... He he is, he is like
01:28:59
Speaker
being profiled and discriminated against but maybe that is also happening in tandem with some like kind of early onset symptoms of something because it does also sound like that it he's maybe hearing voices like it's it's still a little murky and like they're still they're trying to get to the but they're not making assumptions and they're trying to get to the bottom of it and like but they they are asking the questions of like whether you know there's a history of mental health because they really haven't been able to talk to anyone who was there in the library. Like they get ahold of the girlfriend, but the girlfriend hadn't even had contact with him in a while or or his sister. Like no one they've had that they've been able to reach out to was actually there.
01:29:40
Speaker
Imagine like you go in for like a schizophrenia diagnosis, right? And you're like, doc, like I'm hearing voices, you know, they're telling me things. And then the doctor just like leans back in there and they just go,
01:29:51
Speaker
You're right. I hear like they're telling you the truth. You know, we all listen. Like, I can't hear these voices, but, you know, you got to tell me what they're saying, you know, because he sounds like they're telling you some cool things, you know, like maybe that's what's going on. You know, i don't know. Some of the leftovers. Yeah.
01:30:05
Speaker
yeah Yeah. It's pretty much it. It's it's. is yeah It's that one actor, right? That pretended to get raptured, right? The one from that sitcom, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's his story.
01:30:19
Speaker
Perfect Strangers, exactly. Well, I was going to say, or Kevin or his dad show up at the hospital and they're like, yeah, I'm hearing voices. But then it's like the voices are real. You need to swallow that cum, Kevin.
01:30:35
Speaker
yeah Yeah, so i'm I'm very interested to see where they're going with that. Because I think that does align with what the show is doing. And if it has the nuance to be like this person is has some kind of mental episode that they're going through. But that doesn't also negate like the the racial element of what happened here. Like that that's like both things can be true. And then that's also a thing of like, you know, like there's very often, like you said, realistically, if someone is Who is of the wrong skin color is having some kind of mental episode. They just get shot, you know, like that these things usually end very darkly. So like that they can comment on of like, like, oh, well, maybe what if there's a more empathetic approach to these issues or just like they do with everything else?
01:31:20
Speaker
And also, like, it's not like every instance when that happens. Right. But the show is even in its own way ah signaling to the fact that ah it's it's an escalation to violence at the end of the day.
01:31:33
Speaker
Right. Like, did it it did't need to get to that point? Who knows? We'll hear about it very soon. Right. But it's like ah what's going on with like ah what Zoran Mamdani was talking about with how he wants to like ah change cops. Right. Like having more social workers, which is something I also agree with. Right. The idea that like you have people who are not cops who go and deal with. You don't send the guys with guns as the first yeah line of the, you know, the first responders to someone having a mental health episode. Right.
01:32:02
Speaker
I think that that is where that storyline is going. I think that it's like showing that's where it's ultimately going to end up. But who knows? You know, it can go in any different direction. Maybe he's not hearing voices.
Dr. King's Malpractice Lawsuit
01:32:13
Speaker
Maybe someone has a speaker in the library and is trying to like fucking gaslight him. There's like a whole conspiracy. Like someone's like, oh, yes. If it's a conspiracy angle, like maybe like the the school is out to get him. Oh, I would love that.
01:32:27
Speaker
It's like you're not paranoid, bro. There is a conspiracy. me and and then like ice cube from war of the worlds like zooms in and he's like the tripods are here like like that's the level of storytelling that would be on at that point and i'd be with it uh we've we've talked about uh lagged it already but we should also mention that in the same episode that we lose our beloved louis we gain another i kind of hope this guy becomes ir regular i mean it sure it ah happens to be on that holiday when there would be eating competition so maybe this is the only time we see him but rocky who's a professional hot dog eater the eight it ends up being like 36 hot dogs but when he's enjoy doing the numbers i was on the same page as lane and i was like did you yeah you just did like three numbers it's like he's like 351 hot dogs So, so like, again, not recency bias, I swear, but that seat, that's that section alone. One of the best Langdon moments ever, you know, like it's the genuine like, oh, and then like 36. That's a lot. yeah you see You see it on on his face of calculating like, yeah, that's still not good. yeah
01:33:46
Speaker
and And like that i I also love ah how Rocky like he's sitting there with the tub when he comes in. He's just like, I don't feel good. And then like every time he talks to Langdon, it's just like. what o but And then because the curt first I don't know, those curtains just don't only pull so far. You can see other patients nearby could just see him hurling. Like you have a guy in a bed nearby who's about to eat a sandwich. He just kind of puts it down. And then after Rocky leaves, you know, like he gets it all out of his system. He's like, ah you know, no more hot dogs today, right? He's like, yeah, but I got to defend my you know title next year or whatever. Like it was like, yeah, he's not going to stop eating professionally, competitively. And then Donnie shows up and he's like, hey, there's a hot dog van or cart outside. and You want one? He's like, I think I'm done with hot dogs forever. Yeah. You know, like as a hot dog aficionado myself, you know, as a big fan of of the the beef, all you know all of them, you know, i just – I'm not going to –
01:34:48
Speaker
I'm not going to pretend like I would be strong enough to stick it through after a situation like that. You know, it's ah it's a situation where it's like that does feel like a legitimately traumatizing situation. The fact that Rocky is able to get through it and have that, you know, wherewithal to want to do it again.
01:35:05
Speaker
Stronger man than i so He's a pro, you know, that's why. Exactly. that's so he Separates the fake eaters from the real ones. I get, you know, like he's that's why he's doing it competitively. Exactly. Yeah. I'm stuck in Costco. This guy is up with Nathan's, you know. ah Oh, we should talk about ah King, like our our our girl. ah Yeah. Yeah. She must be protected at all costs. ah But she she was really worried about that date, that court date.
01:35:36
Speaker
So is is that like at the end of this shift, right? Is that why she's like it's weighing on her specifically now or is it it's just imminent? It's just coming. i think we're going to get it like in the third, like either like the last third or in the third quarter of the season is timeline when it's supposed to I think they said like eight hours from the first episode. So we will we will see it in this in this season. like that did she So, yeah, she's being sued for malpractice. And Robbie, you know, is, is ah you know ah you know, trying to assuage her her worries of, like, everyone in the yeah ER r gets sued. Like, that's just, like, an inevitability. Like, we all we all get sued. I've been sued a few times. It usually ends up siding with the doctors. Like, we're we're fine. You'll be fine. ah And
Robbie's Internal Struggles and Misogyny
01:36:25
Speaker
then Dr. Alashimi, she's like, I've never been sued. to Like, shut the fuck up, Dr. Alashimi. Get the fuck out of here. We don't want to hear that talk to Dr. King. She needs to be protected, you know? And like, the thing is, is like, she's got a point. Right. Like Dr. Ali Shimi has got a point that like that's not a regular thing. And I'm interested to see which family or which you know person is suing Dr. King for this, because it does seem like it might be someone from the first season just based on like her her nervousness of it all. Right. goes Beyond just like anything normal. I i feel like there's something a bit personal about it. And like I'm just ah I'm really nervous about like how that's going to be there. And also another thing, too.
01:37:11
Speaker
She keeps on trying to like open up to Santos and others and and like no one's really giving her the time of day. And she's been completely cut off from Dr. Langdon to put despite being like, you know, very excited to talk to him. You know, Robbie has kept them apart purposefully. It's very ah interesting position.
01:37:28
Speaker
it it and Like, she's the one who is outwardly the most excited when he is back. She's like, Dr. Wang! And then, like, she, like, goes in for a... She does the Muppets. She does the little, like, Kermit the Frog hand thing.
01:37:45
Speaker
Like, she wants to, like, touch him, but then she just stops before and then she has to do, like, one of those. It's awesome. She's she's the best. It's incredible. But she hasn't actually been able to interface with him much, like you said. And I don't think it's just been like, oh, let's keep Langdon away from the person who's going to most utterly support him. He was just keeping Langdon in triage just because he's like, fucking junkie, I don't trust you. You're going to fuck something Where are you going to do the least amount of harm? Let's just keep you there. then...
01:38:18
Speaker
to I think before the ah bridges are mended, there still will be a little bit of the rift because, I mean, he was side-eyeing Langdon during the whole Louis thing, you know, and it's like that was no one's fault. But, you know, people blame other people in in their grief for stuff, especially, ah you know, Robbie already has the axe to grind against against him. So it's pretty easy to just make that person be a scapegoat.
01:38:45
Speaker
Well, as we've already established, right, like, Robbie is not well. He's still suicidal in in certain respects. And, like, the fact that he's not over the slang shit is very much so depicted as a problem with Robbie, right? And as we've kind of alluded to before about, like, the fan reaction to Robbie, they've been very... ah upset with his behavior being like, oh he's not being, you know, kind enough to Langdon. He's being unreasonable.
01:39:12
Speaker
I feel like it's more so speaking to like a character flaw within himself that he needs to get over throughout the whole season. And people are just getting like mad at storytelling. They're getting mad at like character arcs. Because I've also seen the the them straight up say, like, not just Langdon, that Robbie's, like, misogynistic because they'll be like, they they'll point out that him, like, telling Santos not to nod off is like, oh, Robbie couldn't go two seconds without yelling at a woman. like, wait, hold on a second. Like, to she he's her boss, so he needs to... tell her to not fall asleep. Like, but seems pretty reasonable. And all his, I mean, he has conflict with Hal Hashimi that's been the whole season. But like you've been saying, she's been pretty overtly having an energy of like, am the new you. Get used to it. Like, there's a new sheriff in town. So, like, I don't even think that's like a... of
01:40:03
Speaker
this is woman doctor thing, because that doesn't fit with, like, the Robbie we know. It's just more of, like, who the fuck are you? who Like, this is my ER. Like, is you know, you can't tell me run things. But then it also, like, ah to make that even more complicated, there are even moments where Dr. Alashimi and... ah ah Dr. Robbie have like flirtation too, right? Like, so despite even like this power grab they grab thing, you know, like they're still like sizing each other up at points, which is very, an interesting ah element to add to that dynamic. But to speak to any kind of like misogyny within Robbie himself, like I'm,
01:40:38
Speaker
Maybe they can go down that route, but, like, when it comes to him as a character, I feel like it's far more about, like, this internal baggage, shame and guilt, right? Like, problems that he's made, like, mistakes he's made in trying to save people's lives or to make time in other people's lives, right? Yeah. I feel like that's the route the show is going down and it definitely makes – it's an easier case – there's an easier case to be made for those things with what we've seen so far.
01:41:05
Speaker
In terms of like talking about like his behavior towards women, it's like, don't know. I feel like him and Donna are tight all the time. Yeah, no. Yeah. The only, the only like thing he, he he'll make little comments to Dana, but it'll usually just be when she's like kind of correct. Like, like no one's outwardly calling out like how problematic this like motorcycle trip is. But Dana keeps clocking of like, yeah, the no helmet you're wearing and you're going on this trip. Like kind
Robbie's Romantic Developments
01:41:35
Speaker
of like, she's the closest one to coming to calling him out for being like, yeah, that's not a good thing to do if you're suicidal, man. Don't. maybe don't be like doing all this motorcycle shit that's pretty dangerous and and like you can see the frustration from that because he doesn't want to be called out on on on that but like i think that's when he like tells like don't you to go like have a smoke or something but like he's i i don't i haven't i haven't clocked any like misogynistic vibes also he is there is a love interest this season for him or someone that he has been seeing it's i forget what her role we like we meet her brief Briefly, when she comes down to, is she a social worker what's her job? I'm trying to remember.
01:42:19
Speaker
Something along those lines. But then also we just have to, like, point out the fact that, like, Robbie's a bit of a sly dog, right? Yeah. He's slept with many women within the medical field. And, like, this is not even, like, a new thing for, like, the show of the season. Because even him Dr. Collins had a past who we alluded to, you know, in season one we talking about it. She's not back this season.
01:42:41
Speaker
ah Maybe she'll return in the future. She'll come through a portal, you know, Avengers style. ah when there To testify in the Dr. King case, you know. Yeah. That would be so – comes through the back doors of the court. Fucking cheer. ah but Pulls the red rooms and, like, dresses like Dr. King. like But that's a case of, like, she had a completed arc and, like, realistically she ah fucking miscarried during her shift. So maybe maybe she's done. You know, like, I i would – it's very understandable if someone's like, maybe I do something else now. You know, like, that's –
01:43:22
Speaker
That makes sense to me. Maybe I'll be a travel agent. You know, like something like that happens and you're just like, well, you know, maybe I could do something with like a bit of sunshine, you know. but Or just not the emergency room, you know, just something because something's still in medicine, but like, you know, less like confronting death every second. Maybe she could have gotten an entry level position at Theranos. Who knows? But like...
01:43:48
Speaker
yeah I'm so glad I stuck up there. and oh man. i Imagine if Elizabeth Holmes came through the doors of the pit. like but but it But it's Amanda Seyfried from – I never watched that miniseries, but it's her. I've only seen that clip where she comes in awkwardly and like doing a dance. like As Elizabeth Holmes, like, she just does that same dance. She comes in.
01:44:07
Speaker
I need to watch that show because, like, personally, I'm obsessed with Elizabeth Holmes. I think she's hilarious. Like, talking about a problematic fave, I love Elizabeth Holmes. ah But I also just— the idea a man is i freeed She's very funny. She's putting on a voice. Yeah. She's trying to make her voice sound deeper. It sounds super serious. It's so funny. It's awesome. That's like a fucking Tim tim Heidecker character. Like, it's awesome. Yeah, like like someone who just watched some Steve Jobs, like, you know presentations like, oh, well, this is the voice you use. And then she just does that, but doesn't like adjust it for, per per because like, yeah, I can believe a lot of people in whatever, you know,
01:44:48
Speaker
ah field tech or whatever are doing some kind of affectation or presenting themselves a specific way but it's like usually like modulated to like at least like it sounds somewhat believable but she's just like fully just do and and like we
Dr. Al Hashimi and Medical Orthodoxy
01:45:05
Speaker
said Amanda Seyfried the idea of her doing it and I did not realize because that he just looks so different in the scenes that I've seen Naveen Andrews from fucking great actor He's he's like the co-lead in it, Saeed himself. If you look at the person that he's playing, you know, like that's very nice, very generous of them. I have to say. They made him hotter.
01:45:29
Speaker
Yeah. You can be the judge of that, you know. but oh yeah yeah. That's a glow up. That's a glow up.
01:45:40
Speaker
I that's another reason why I want to watch the show, because like sometimes you see those things. Right. And like when you see that within the show, you're like, oh, OK, they're going to really lean into something. Right. And obviously, ah Amanda Seyfried is a very talented actor. I feel like ah they would have a good in on it. Right. And then.
01:45:59
Speaker
Yeah, with Elizabeth Holmes, ah like, good to get back to the pit a bit, i I would love to see her as a patient if she was, like, you know, it something was wrong with her leg and she's like, I feel something wrong in my foot, you know, like that.
01:46:12
Speaker
Or just a stand-in where they're, like, making fun of a tech person because they've already, they already have an AI support. Aishimi. I mean, yeah, I mean, we have we have the AI storyline, but then to actually have someone i mean, maybe you can have a little bit of this with like the the CEO who's going to be coming to the hospital, but like someone who's like clearly not of medicine, but trying to act like an authority on it. Like, Al Hashimi's interesting because she's supposedly of both worlds, although we've never seen her directly.
01:46:43
Speaker
Like, she'll she'll just throw out textbook of, like, yeah, this is what you're supposed to do for this kind of patient. Then usually they just do something completely completely unorthodox, but then save the patient anyway. And she'll be like, huh, that's interesting.
01:46:55
Speaker
i like that she hasn't had any moments where she's been like, you did it the wrong way, and now I'm going to chastise it. Like, when she sees that... ah that the pit gets results, she lays off a bit. And I do respect that about her. Like the fact that she isn't like, you know, hounding these people too much about the way that they do things. The fact that she does respect that they have that their methodology. That's that's a big ah point in her favor in my eyes.
01:47:21
Speaker
And just the fact I think this episode really shows the duality, the most recent one of like the fact that she went so hard at bat for that ah that convict of like not wanting to send him back immediately to prison. And the fact that that motivates Dana to kind of this almost feels like a reawakening for Dana of like that. She like maybe like they all care about their patients and want the best with like. To get her back on that, like a little bit of Dr. Robbie Wagle, where you're like willing to color outside the lines to help someone because she goes inside and then like, you know, his pulse starts. straight You know, we don't even see what he she does, what Dana does. She's just like, yeah, I don't know. And then I was like, I guess we got to keep her. And he asked her, like, what did you do? And she just plays dumb. She's like, I don't know.
01:48:07
Speaker
I, you know,
Farewell to Louis and His Backstory
01:48:09
Speaker
i don't want to know, you know, keep it between them, you know, and I'm happy for them, as i' I'll say, you know, but, ah you know, I feel like we're we're, you know, reaching the end of this episode. So I do think that we just have to like,
01:48:23
Speaker
We just got to talk about the funeral of Louis, right? As its own thing. Because like this, this is probably one of the best, like I've cried during the show, but like the way that this scene made me cry was definitely the hardest I've had on the show. Like it, like it, cause it comes like, even though we're building to it and even though the show feels like it comes out of nowhere because you see, you see one of the new nurses who's like been with Dana the whole day. They're like, you know, preparing his body basically. And then there's moments leading up to that when they're trying to,
01:48:53
Speaker
Like Langdon found a photo with with a wife. He was like, I didn't know he had a wife and kids. What's the deal with that? Can we find any next to kin? They find his emergency contact number. And it's the number. It's the emergency number for the VR. Is is there his... There's friends.
01:49:14
Speaker
And then like we like not not to jump ahead too much. Right. But like you've got them at the bedside and they're all talking about like these memories that they have of them. And the question of the picture comes up. Right. And Robbie has already given like us and other doctors within the pit background info about Louis. So clearly he already knew a bit more about him. than everybody else, right? But in this moment, this is when he shares Louie's backstory, something that like we' we've only had like some kind of glimpses towards. And we learned that he had a wife who was pregnant who died before having their child, that despite him not even being sure about being a father. And it sent him down this pit of alcoholism.
01:49:52
Speaker
And something that we were talking about, about like enabling On the last episode, something like in terms of like this is an alcoholic who like, you know, they were kind of like just getting him better but then still kind of feeding into it. In ah in a weird, dark way, it's like almost like when we hear this information, it's like like life was just broken, you know? There was nothing... It weirdly justifies it, especially from a Dr. Robbie's point of view where it's like, well, if anyone has an excuse to drink, it's this guy And why yeah why Robbie would be willing to bring him a beer. Whereas, you know, for Langdon, Langdon's, you know, initially when he was confronted was like, yeah, my back was really fucked up and I was trying to wean myself off of it. So like, To Robbie, one is more legitimate than the other. I mean, like i think the show is saying someone with an addiction, they deserve our empathy regardless. Like before we even knew about this backstory, we cared about Louis. But this is just kind of like a hat on hat almost of doing like, no, actually, it's like really sad. And it's like kind of it just frames the whole thing in a more tragic light.
01:51:03
Speaker
the The moment that does it for me and like it like I'm like I can like literally feel it in my stomach is like when because you get the setup right where they're talking about like preparing the body and they're like, we only want to have like one hand sticking out. And it's that comment about in case somebody wants to hold it, you know, in case a loved one. And yeah.
01:51:23
Speaker
no Because nobody showed up. Right. It's just them. Right. And it's the fact that it is the doctors who are are there and who are the loved ones who are holding their hands. And it's so quick. You know, this whole scene, you know, like this whole funeral. Right. It's only isn't like the last two minutes of this episode. Right. Like they they they give us this information. They have a moment and then it's done, you know, and it's like one of the s sweetest things I've seen on television.
01:51:50
Speaker
Yeah, and the the fact that
Noah Wyle's Directorial Debut
01:51:52
Speaker
it cuts out so quickly from this reveal, it was kind of I mean, like sometimes I will clock how much is left in the episode just from like I'm just curious from like a writing and episode structure standpoint of like what they're going to do. But I wasn't even I was just suing the episode that I wasn't even paying attention to that. And then, you know, age we just go to black and like directed by Noah Weil, I was like, what fuck?
01:52:15
Speaker
dad it And the fact that it was Noah Wiley, right? Like, I think that he has. like Maybe this is his first episode. I don't know. Right. But it's like the fact that like I have to imagine with how long yeah ER r ran, he maybe had to direct an episode. Because I feel like that's like the normal trajectory of like a show long running show. yeah This is his first episode of The Pit. He directed. Oh, OK. He never directed any ER. He directed five episodes of The Librarians, though. Yeah. Oh, I can't. I can't wait.
01:52:44
Speaker
I can't wait to watch that. Like that's like that's like the Indiana Jones knockoff he did. Right. Yeah. For i oh it's TNT. I thought it was on Syfy channel, but maybe the Syfy did reruns or something. Whatever. Same difference. Who knows?
01:52:57
Speaker
But like the fact that like this episode was as good as it was because like this was a massive revelation episode in several aspects. Right. And yet it never lost the nonchalant feel that the show manages to keep every episode. And when it does have those moments where it has to hit those emotional X's to really stick to landing, it's It never felt like it was coloring outside of its own box. Right. and And that's why I love the show. That's why, you know, season two, I don't think that season two is like setting the world on fire the same way the first one was. But then again, the first one was so much of like a full contained experience that i almost feel as though I can't like accurately critique or praise this season so far until I get the conclusion. Right. Yeah.
01:53:44
Speaker
I'm
Future Episode Anticipations
01:53:45
Speaker
partially excited and, you know, partially nervous in that uncertainty. But at the same time, everything I've seen so far has been wonderful. Yeah, I'm mostly excited. It just has to me curious of like how this because season one was so tidy in like a full meal of like, yeah, where how are we going to wrap some of these these things up or like where were some of these storylines going? And we should say our boy, it will be back next week.
01:54:11
Speaker
Jack. Jack. Will return. it And it seemed like in the preview, he had like some kind of military fatigues. ah Like, like we, we know he had a military history because of like the, the leg thing, but like I, I, you know, I wasn't expecting him to see, see him actively in, in that kind of gear. So it makes me wonder, I'm like, where did you come from? that You're wearing that right now. Are you at? Yeah. You weren't just at the VA a hall decked out in full, like, where like body armor and shit. Like something was going on. I would have loved it if instead of this show taking place during July 4th, it was happening during January 6th.
01:54:49
Speaker
And then that would have fully explained itself. Or it's July 4th, but it's the 4th of July in Independence Day.
01:55:01
Speaker
Welcome to Earth. about the I can imagine Jack taking the, ah you know, flight controls, you know, they have to flip them upside down. I can just see him doing that, you know, like that. That's ah that's a him coded move if I've ever heard one. And then Robbie has to go in renegade surgery on an alien. They're like, we can't cut into it We don't know what to do. And he's like.
01:55:23
Speaker
He's like scrubbing in. He's like, I don't care if I live or die. Fuck it. i I don't care if they got acid blood. I'll fucking stick my hands in here. Instead of the White House exploding as like the iconic image, it's just Whitaker's face exploding. like Scanner style, you know, like...
01:55:43
Speaker
no no No shade to Whitaker. But yeah I was going to say, if they kill Whitaker, I'm I'm I'm dropping the show so fast. and i'm Right. Writing my congressperson. ah The ah only other Whitaker thing I want to throw out before before we conclude is that he had a patient last season ah who was like, you know, we know his he grew up ah on a farm and that there there was a couple who I think it was like some kind of.
01:56:08
Speaker
gas canister explosion for the the husband. And they had got him stable. He had some serious burns. But ra as they were winning away, Robby's like, yeah, he's not going to survive like the day, basically, because like that's bacteria. In fact, like you're going to get like sepsis or some shit, like know that level burns, like even if you do stabilize. And that did happen. like The husband dies, but he's been spending time on the farm with the wife. he says just helping He's just helping out. He's just...
01:56:37
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He's a helpful guy, you know. But Santos does make – I forgot what she calls. She's like – she makes some kind of udders pun. Yeah. She she says something about milking. Yeah. yeah It's – and ah I like how antagonistic she is now with Whitaker in the sense that because they're lot closer after – Yeah, they're the roommates. Yeah.
01:56:58
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and And like she definitely has like the kind of like cheeky kind of like making fun of him kind of energy. And he feels self-conscious. Like I feel like he's regretting living with Santos. But she's having a blast.
01:57:10
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he He's maybe regret, but it seemed like he did. it was especially self-conscious about the the comments about the widow, which made me question, is something going on there? Like you got kind of defensive. So, I mean, I guess he he's a, you know, someone like him would take offense even if if he wasn't, you know, because it's just like, how dare you? But I also like, I don't know. We're Chris Heumann. He's allowed to the sha shack up with the farm. well oh It's fine. I don't judge.
01:57:39
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hey, if Dorff can get it on, you know, let let Whitaker, you know, take up some plot of land is way we'll because this shift, we know how many episodes are in the season. We've already gotten to the point where people are like, yeah, it's just a few more hours, even though we know it's going to be like 10 more hours, you know, of of of of the shift. So um I'm already thinking ahead to like, oh, Dr. McKay is not going to make her date or something because they're going to be there longer or something. Plans they're making for post-shift are not going to pan out the way. Oh, and another thing that was slyly just thrown out, like there was definitely a vibe in the first season. But between Santos and one of the, ah I think it's Dr. Ghost Garcia, ah one of the surgeons, like that there was, they had some kind of plans for afterwards. And she's like, ah rain check. And then say how you see Santos looking like a little dejected. and and And Robbie even clocks it like he looks over at her after You know, Garcia says she can't make it that night. And so I'm like, something's going So the lesson there is ah your work crush, throw a scalpel into their foot and then, you know, they might be into it.
01:58:52
Speaker
later. is it Hey, that makes for a great, like, you know, you're hanging out with a bunch of other couples, right? You're talking about like, yeah exactly the meet-cutes, right? that's ah That's a great story. You know, Rob Reiner, God bless his soul, you know, he would have filmed that for When Harry Met Sally if he could, you know? um i am totally on board with this relationship, but then also at the same time, I know how this show works. This could be like the last time it's even brought up in this season. Who knows, right? Right. that that' Because we might have find these we might be seeing the end of the the relationship, We don't because it's been like a year yeah it that happened and they could have been, you know, fooling around or we don't know, even know how serious it's been. Like something good could have been happening in the past year. But maybe this is Garcia like trying to awkwardly end and actually end it instead of just postpone that actual night. Like, I don't know. We'll see.
01:59:42
Speaker
and Only time will tell. And, you know, I'm excited to see the rest of the season. ah Certainly beats the hell out of the Scream television series. Yeah. but I don't know. I haven't started season three yet. Maybe three is going to gonna be my favorite piece of screen media ever.
01:59:59
Speaker
maybe maybe ah Maybe this will make Wes proud. Who knows? Who's to say? We we haven't seen it. It's Schrodinger's television show. you know It could be the best television show ever. ever and It could be the worst. Who knows? It kind of doesn't matter because Seven's coming. And it's like, you might as well just take a shit on Wes's grave. Like, just fucking dig him up. Fucking defile defile the corpse. That'd be more respectful than Scream Seven. Yeah.
02:00:26
Speaker
Yeah, like honestly at this point, like I would rather like watch all of the Puppet Master movies than watch just Scream 7. You know, like everything about that and what it represents just seems so ugly. And it just looks dumb. It just looks really, really bad. Like even if – because like, yeah, I watch plenty of – evil being consume evil media all the time but besides this one trying to speed run being the most evil movie because it's not just like the Palestine of it all of like that's why their lead is gone it's like they're they keep adding it's like a hat on a hat on a hat on a hat they're like yeah also we love AI also you want to take some place your bets
02:01:08
Speaker
the The betting one is the craziest to me because this movie was spoiled like months ago. You know, like, why would you make this one the one? Right. And, and ah you know, all of those things that we've just listed sound so absurd. Right. They sound like, you know, that's like a joke The Onion would write. So the fact that these things have happened thus far, you're like almost like white knuckling it to see what's what next true shoe is about to drop. Like, I almost feel as if like there's more evil shit to come. I think it there is, forbi because it and it's just unreal that it's Williamson never, you know, it's like the guy who with Wes created this franchise that we, you know, credit with a lot of how clever and like,
02:01:53
Speaker
straight up brilliant that original movie is is a lot of it is in the script but then you hear and anything he says about this movie sounds like the dumbest shit ever and it's it's like it just sounds like from of a different person like do you know that you like co-created scream like do you remember that do you know why that movie was even good like like yeah like what do you think you're doing here it's like we're we're not even doing the meta angle and like this is why you don't fucking make a scream movie why are you wasting my time? Why are we here? Like, yeah, I don't know. I'm excited to watch this though for the podcast, at least, you know, like that's going to be a lot of fun. um
Show's Narrative Complexity and Themes
02:02:34
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And I guess so next time we talk, I guess we'll be either a Matt Johnson or a pit.
02:02:40
Speaker
Yeah, I think it'll be another Matt Johnson operation avalanche. ah But then, yeah, I, I'd like to keep these, these weekly conversations going where we're let's just oh almost at the, I guess the, what episode this was this was episode six so yeah there's like like nine more of of of the season i I'm i'm very because this is about to get to like it was the pit fest stuff popped off like you know around around now Right. So it's going to be interesting. of Like we've already getting the patients from the other hospital that we don't still don't even know what happened there. They've been taking bets.
02:03:18
Speaker
I think it is really just based on previews that there is some been some kind of power thing and that it's going to also then affect their hospital. So but I don't know if the context of that. Like, is it just is it just a fluke? Like there's just power out citywide power outages because of something or is it something more sinister? It's the aliens who want to eat your data. That's what I think it is. That's why I invoked it before. Amazon's going to save the day again. your food.
02:03:49
Speaker
John Cusack from the movie Cell is going to come in and he's going to save everybody. um yeah it's it's ah All the cards are in the right place for it, you know?
02:04:00
Speaker
ah I've got the exact right Joker cards in my Bellatro run. i was trying i feel like... like Someone who did that horrible war of the world, someone was pointing out some of their other credits recently and it was like something. Their music video director.
02:04:15
Speaker
is it Is it the director? Maybe it was the director. i was oh, one of them, one of the writers wrote Osmosis Jones. don't ah That the the film that was the inspiration for that infamous kid rock song.
02:04:29
Speaker
The it's not statutory. It's mandatory. Yeah, think they that was for that movie. They play they play that in ah in a children's movie. Yeah. And that, like, imagine, like, you're, like, Sony Pictures, I guess, was who put that one out, right? Like, i imagine them, like, they're they're getting ready to put the movie out, and they're, like, assembling all of the songs from the artists that they had hired to make songs the movie. And they're just like, what the fuck? Like, ah the movie comes in, like, a week. Oh, shit. I just throw it in there, you know, like. they theyt No one's going to notice. Mm-hmm.
02:05:03
Speaker
ah The kids like it rock still, a right? Like, ah you know, the throw it out there. Yeah, I i guess that is just there's like he's hot right now. We got a I don't know.
02:05:16
Speaker
Bloodhound Gang was also hot. Then put put one of their socks in. osmosis yeah You know what? I'll go a step further and just say they did never should have released Osmosis Jones.
02:05:27
Speaker
I don't even remember it. I think I feel like that was one of the first movies i went to alone because one of my none of my friends wanted to see it. And I was seeing it as a Bill Murray fan, you know, because I was just like, like, oh, this this is a Bill Murray movie. Not realizing that it's just mostly inside of I knew it was ad going to be animated. but I was like, oh, we're really just cutting to Bill Murray eating like a a hot dog off the ground or something. And it's mostly just the cartoon part. Yeah.
02:05:53
Speaker
I had this DVD growing up as a kid and I remember like my parents must have bought it because they thought it was like an animated children's film. But like it's more adult than that. Right. So like I remember growing up watching. Oh yeah. Because it's the Farley Brothers.
02:06:07
Speaker
I forgot about that. Exactly. And and they it like the whole thing is essentially just like a noir detective story, but like told as an animated body adventure film. Yeah. So like, you know, it is more adult than it lends on. And i remember ah like growing up watching it and I'm just like and like, it's one of those things where you' just like, you could tell it's adult, but then also you could understand that it's bad, you know, they'd say it's both of those things. Right. Yeah.
02:06:35
Speaker
and Unlike The Pit, which is adult and good. Exactly. Just start bringing it a full circle. all right. So, yeah, ah we'll we'll keep checking in week by week. you Check on our our favorite doctors. um But until then, you have anything you want to plug?
02:06:51
Speaker
ah I want to plug The Good Doctor. ah You know, i Yeah, that's that's about it. i Yeah. I mean, check out ah all the other cool stuff we've been putting on on a feed. And then also me and Tony have been going on on Sourcewall Radio, as we alluded to, covering not just the screen movies, but the show. You're like, there was a screen show. Yeah, there was three seasons of it yeah and and it. And the show was so quotations good that they decided to just reboot it.
02:07:20
Speaker
Like after the first two seasons, they decided to just throw it everything that they had done before and just do it again, all brand new and with only six episodes. So, you know, that's what you can look forward to ah this coming Sunday. we we did We did four hours on season two of, of man.
02:07:37
Speaker
reeb show it was crazy. and I hit hour three and I was like, what, what's going on here? You know, like I started to get delirious. Like I was like, what's going to happen? You know? So yeah, you could check all that out. And then, uh, yeah, like I said, we got more pig coverage coming your way. So stay tuned. You've been listening to one or 2.3.
02:07:58
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The pit.
02:08:23
Speaker
Well, I was it as a pair You were it as a pair You're building that day