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The Pitt Season 2 Episode 13 w/ Jared Gilman
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The Gilman (@@realJaredGilman) returns to discuss the latest episode of our favorite show about really chill and well adjusted doctors. We discuss everything from the recent Season 3 casting news and the fan reaction, if turmeric is good for you or not, and pitch our ideas for potential spinoffs. You don't want to miss this one!
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Transcript
Leadership and Personal Doubts
00:00:00
Speaker
Just to, I'm not sure that Alashimi is fit to run this place. What's that supposed to mean? I'm sure. I'm trying to figure that out. Did you know that she wants to have two attendings on at all times? No. Is that something she's worked at with Gloria? I don't know. I also don't know if Langdon is going to relapse. I don't know if Whitaker is going to be able to take care of my shit. I don't know if Javadi is going to give up on what she's good at or if Samira is going to flame out because it's a bullshit with her mother. Is there anything else? Yeah, you.
00:00:22
Speaker
I don't know about you running around whole syringe of Versed in your pocket. I'm worried about the people that I care about. We'll all manage until you come back. We always do. Yeah, what if I don't come back?
00:00:34
Speaker
I don't even want to be around anymore. What? I don't want to be around anymore.
00:00:47
Speaker
Like you don't want to live anymore?
00:00:53
Speaker
I don't know.
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Speaker
Yeah. All right.
Podcast Discussion and Speculations
00:01:21
Speaker
We're back to talk season two, episode 13 with our our resident pit correspondent, Jared Gilman. Thanks for coming back, Jared. Hello, hello, hello. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me again. i cannot wait to dive into this episode with you guys.
00:01:35
Speaker
Hell yeah. We're reaching the end of the season and yeah see more after this one, which is nuts. It's they went by so fast. Yeah, almost feel like it. Right. It almost feels like just woke up. was just 730 yesterday. earlier What? Right. Wow, that was only what? 10 weeks ago, 11 hours ago. You mean hours. It's the same day. Yeah, I'm talking for us personally, but it's still it's bled together. What do you mean for us personally? For us personally, it's also just been a day. This whole year has been a day. Right. We've been at the hospital this whole day.
00:02:16
Speaker
It's Fourth of July. Wake up, guys. Wake up, you know, so it's shining a flashlight in our eyes. I guess. No, this is actually no, we can't wake up. We're all in our death dreams. So this is this is it actually. It's Jacob's Ladder style. Well, I was thinking like maybe we're really inching towards like a kind of like end of Evangelion kind of scenario, kind of like the end of the first season. Right. Where it's just like everybody surrounding, you know, congratulations, all that stuff. I feel like we could be heading towards one of those.
00:02:47
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a total kind of like self-actualization, like getting through all your mental health hurdles and like really becoming the person you're meant to be, like that whole thing.
00:03:00
Speaker
Yeah, that's the other show. And then the movie is the polar opposite. Exactly. It's just fun. It's completely fun. Yeah. The end of the season is just, you know, like, you know, who needs that motorcycle? And Robbie walks away with his friends in his arms, you know? Oh, God. Yeah. And then the pit, the pit, the the end of the pit, Evangelion or whatever. The pit fun galion. He's choking Dana at the end. Yeah. It's just like you see him go on that bike, the motorcycle trip, and like you see exactly how, you know, his final moments go down. all set to come sus or todd that one song you know as everything yeah tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down it could be shutter island situation where they've staged this whole day as like an intervention for rob they knew about the trip so they're like we need to like you create a stressful situation to make robbie reach his breaking point so he doesn't go
00:04:01
Speaker
Or if it's actually, though, if you're if you're saying this is it's a Shutter Island situation, maybe he already won on the trip and made the attempt and he's in the asylum. Yeah. They're all just like recreating the circumstances to get him to not go not do the trip or like seek life again or something. i don't know. so Yeah. They're re-simulating it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah It would be great if just like at at like the, you know, the end of the next episode, just Ben Kingsley walks through a door. You know, that's all you need. You know, if if that's the confirmation. well if you see Mark Ruffalo, then, you know, you Sam Jackson, Sam Jackson, like I'm collecting a team of doctors. There's a new strain of COVID coming. It's it's set to be the most unstoppable one yet. or Jack Abbott like leans down and he has move into collecting all the infinity stones.
00:04:56
Speaker
I hope I play season 10. They are. They do just make up stuff like they should make up a new disease by the time. yeah to Like that point. They got to find some kind of way to jump the shark. I feel like that, you know, the show, it's like setting itself up to be too good.
00:05:11
Speaker
They got to figure out a way to make it bad. Yeah. We need a meteor shower. need like, you know, some life changing thing that's, you know, just major earthquake. 10.0 magnitude earthquake in Pittsburgh. I mean, and giant spiders come out of it for some reason. Yeah, it's just prehistoric bugs coming back. And you've got like characters just flinging or the pit.
00:05:37
Speaker
just got zapped to dinosaur times. I'll that one movie. Right. I think we'll I will make references to you every week. I think maybe. I apologize. I think I did that last week in Oak Street.
00:05:50
Speaker
Oh, I mean, I'm pumped for oak Oak Street. Like, yeah, I mean, yeah, not to dox myself movie this year, not to dox myself, but but Oak Street is um the word oak appears in my my street name. Whoa.
00:06:07
Speaker
So so it's as if my street was zapped back to prehistoric time, basically is what i'm trying to say. Right. It's awesome. Very relatable. Just like yeah every town has an Elm Street, right?
00:06:21
Speaker
Although, although, again, my street is not Oak Street. It just has the word Oak in it. it's It's a different doesn't end in street. It ends in another word. It's just the word Oak is there. was just like, yeah.
00:06:34
Speaker
Although I think the other title kind of of sounded better, right? What was the other title? it was cooler. it was I forget, but it was cooler. i mean Let me look it up. ah that Disappointment's pullover. No, that's Bo's Afraid. better that is a better title. better title yeah I do think Bo's Afraid is a pretty funny title. I do like that title.
00:06:58
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's fitting. It fits the movie. And then I think it works, too, because then, you know, the moment at the very end when... He encounters the thing in the attic and the thing is like, don't be afraid, Bo. It's okay, Bo. Don't be afraid. It's great, great, great moment for a little title callback, I think.
00:07:19
Speaker
The original title for End of Oak Street was Flower Vale Street. Flower Vale Street. Yeah. A more flowery, if you will. so Yeah. Something with a little more emphasis. will you I will admit, my street does not have the words flower or veil in it, so I would not have had the personal connection to the title the way that I do now.
00:07:41
Speaker
Which, which you know, just being an honest, you know, person who watches film, that would have like reduced at least a star star. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have to be honest about that. Yeah.
00:07:53
Speaker
I heard they wanted to call it the end of Cloverfield Lane because it's secretly a Cloverfield movie. It would be really funny if that's the case, if it if it's like a stealth Cloverfield movie. But I think like i remember when Overlord, people were saying that maybe it was a stealth Cloverfield
Industry Insights and Personal Stories
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Speaker
film. I think that was the plan originally. and then they changed it. Oh, yeah because of the paradox or whatever, that the one that...
00:08:16
Speaker
It was so bad. Yeah, it literally Overloaders, the first reverse Cloverfield movie, which is very rare. You know, you know, I didn't did just hear the news that he had to move back to New York.
00:08:27
Speaker
He like shuttered the l L.A. office and like laid off a bunch of people or something. Is that that that was what happened? With JJ? Yeah. What's going on, JJ? Bad robots not doing too good.
00:08:39
Speaker
I made a joke that he was funding the next Gracie Abrams album. But beyond that, like, like, that's just a bad joke. You know, I think that like at the end of the day, people are losing their jobs. That sucks. And also, like, yeah, I think also like J.J. Abrams hasn't made a movie really since the Rise of Skywalker, which that was seven years ago. feel like that broke him a little bit. Yeah, I feel like that's. Yeah, such an unfortunate thing.
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Speaker
hmm.
00:09:08
Speaker
I'll never forget. i will never forget the time that my mom ah surprised me. Like, she was like, all right, Jared, we're going into the city to go see... No, it wasn't even the city. It was NJPAC.
00:09:21
Speaker
We're going to NJPAC to see something, I'm not going to tell you what it is. I was maybe like... had I had been 14 or 15 years old, so like in the prime like age range for for that kind of thing. And so basically what had happened was J.J. Abrams had written that book. Remember when he released a book, like a novel?
00:09:43
Speaker
Oh, how kind of. What was the title of it? It was a mystery book style, like, thing. So, like, or mystery box style thing. So, like, no plot information was really disclosed. It was just like, ooh, J.J. Abrams wrote a book and it's a mystery sci-fi and conspiracy or something. i didn't actually read it, but my mom surprised me because he was at NJPAC being interviewed by none other than Lena Dunham.
00:10:14
Speaker
oh cool. Amazing. Amazing pairing. You know, I, but you know, when she's at more of the height of her popularity and like, I, even then it's like such a random pairing, but And then the the other the other thing, too, was that when we got to the theater, instead of a traditional audience Q&A where they give the mic sound, people ask questions and stuff. They just had audience members write questions and then put it into a box. And then like Lena Dunham had the box and would just pick questions at it random. And then that was the audience participation, know, the audience Q&A portion.
00:10:52
Speaker
And so my mom was like, Jared, do you want me to write a question for you? and I was like, ah Sure. OK, whatever. You're not thinking anything of it. why Ask JJ a question. Yeah. what Yeah. You know. and so then, you know, we get to we go watch the the thing and then the audience Q&A gets opened and she she gets the box. She starts picking questions out. It's kind of funny because she's just like,
00:11:20
Speaker
So as a couple, but then it gets to a point where she's just like tossing them because they all kind of suck. She's just like, without a du she's just like, oh, this question sucks. No, no, this one's not good. No, no, no, no. This is about Star Wars. I can't ask that. and and it ah Whatever. ah But then she gets to one. She's like, oh, this is a good question. It comes from Jared Gilman.
00:11:44
Speaker
And I was, I wanted to jump out of the box, see it or something. I just was like, I, no, don't say my name. Don't, don't do that. everybody i didn't write this question. This wasn't my question. i didn't This was my mom's question. Yeah. in your mind, everybody's starting to look at you right at that moment. Yeah, like the whole theater just knows exactly where I'm sitting. They just turn to face me. Now, that luckily, that didn't happen. But like i I was in a box seat, too. was like I was elevated. That's what I what i mean. when I was like, I wanted to just like leave. I just was like, no, i and don't want to hear my name in front of all those people, but whatever, whatever, whatever. And so The question, though, it was kind of... It was it was actually like kind of a thoughtful question that my mom asked. It was just like... ah Because he, you know,
00:12:36
Speaker
was At that time, Bad Robot had a bajillion projects that, you know, they were producing. so my mom was just like, how do you wear so many hats, you know, when you're working like that? And he was like, well, I have an amazing team of people who work for me and they're the ones who help organize my crazy schedule and everything. Something to that effect. Again, this is like 10 years ago. so you know. Yeah.
00:13:00
Speaker
But ah so it was kind of like a night. And then afterwards, I like stayed in line and had him sign the book. feel bad I never read it. But but I so I got to meet J.J. Abrams at that night. He's very nice. You know, he stayed and signed everyone's things and was like, you know, very ah ah friendly and I remember how. it Oh, right. Yeah, because ah it just sucks because look, now it's like, what's he working on? What's his? He's got the Oak Street movie.
00:13:35
Speaker
He's got a new movie coming out with Glenn Powell, I think. The Great Beyond. It's supposed to come out this November. I just saw that on IMDb. What is that? He directed it? He directed and wrote it. It says a young newlywed couple struggles to survive against a supernatural entity. i mean, it's got a good cast. Glenn Powell, General Ortega, Sam Jackson.
00:13:58
Speaker
And it's like it sounds like a ghost movie or something.
Character Arcs and Plot Predictions
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Speaker
Yeah, maybe even an alien film. Who knows? Maybe and maybe a ghost alien. Hey, best of both worlds. Yeah.
00:14:08
Speaker
We haven't seen one of those yet, have we? Yeah. A ghost alien. There must have been a few, right? Like maybe like what was not even prize? They didn't do like a ghost alien movie in the 80s. Well, Life Force has space vampires, which is. Yeah, it's close. That's true. That's the space that had space vampires.
00:14:29
Speaker
Mm hmm. And they float around. There's space ghost goes to coast, but that doesn't count. Yeah, that's right. That's just strictly a title scenario. Yeah, it's just under the wire kind of thing. He's also it's also space ghost. these You're not alien ghosts.
00:14:44
Speaker
Right, right, right. He's like a person. Anyway, pit. yeah ah anyway pi exactly well that Doug and I were talking about before you hopped on, Jared. Yeah. You know, kind of separate from this episode itself, but it was announced that Dr. Mohan will not be returning for a season. Yeah. It seems to have lit the the Twitter sphere on fire. A little bit.
00:15:10
Speaker
little bit. A lot of craziness. I feel like we should talk about a little bit Yeah, we should. We should. I mean, it all makes sense. during And that performance is awesome. you Oh, yeah. No, she's great. Like, she's a great character. And, you know, you just want to see her be OK. And so it's all been really tragic this season, especially where this this this episode leaves her off. It's just.
00:15:33
Speaker
o You just hope that like, yeah or however she exits, it's not like, ah you know, it's it's it's it's it's it's ah not tragic. It's more that she's just too stressed and needs to be somewhere else.
00:15:50
Speaker
i But yeah, when the news first broke, it you know, I think I hadn't even been thinking about like, what her character was going through. it was just, like, you know, the logic of, like, it being a teaching hospital that has a lot of people, like, you know, coming in and out.
00:16:07
Speaker
And so I was like, oh, yeah, that's that okay, get it. So this gives them imp perfect excuse to just rotate people in and out. But then, like, you're rewatching this episode, I'm like, oh, shit, she's not coming back, but do we know that she's going to be working somewhere else? Right. She's been, like...
00:16:26
Speaker
Oh, God, you know, just like... It's so in the Yeah, the worst things going on for her, you know, Robbie being, you know, horrible, least helpful, you know, source yeah ah for her.
00:16:43
Speaker
And now, like, her two patients, like, are both... One dead and the other one is... Not doing great. No. It's a really rough day.
00:16:54
Speaker
Yeah. ah Like, it's it's shown, like, literally at the end of this episode that she had a worse day than Ogilvy, really, right? Yeah. Yeah. and And we'll get to Ogilvy when we get to Ogilvy, but with with Mohan, like... I kind of get the sign that you were saying before, Jared, is that like, you know, we started watching the show, I'm sure individually, all of us when we first watched the first season, we're like, oh, it would make sense if like there were less of these people around.
00:17:21
Speaker
Right. Like it would make sense if like we shuffled out some of these characters and we had new characters. And this season does a lot of introducing of new characters, people who are extras on shifts, as well as like this night shift. People who are coming on. And I think that it's totally gearing us up to, you know, characters who we like on this season not being in the next ones. And I wouldn't be surprised if like this is just the first domino to fall of many others that we'll get later.
00:17:46
Speaker
um Yeah. When it comes to this character in particular leaving like. Honestly, I think that she's a great doctor and it's like i feel like she can overcome this. But then I also think like what's really best for her. And I think maybe not this hospital because it's also yeah she's already looking for a way out. So I don't really see why we like it already. The season is based around like she's applying to places.
00:18:10
Speaker
She's probably going to get a new place and she's going be gone by the time the next season rolls around. So it's like it just makes sense from the timeline anyways. So like all the curve level online just makes no sense to me because I'm just like, it just seems almost. oh yeah. I think people were taking it like they were like trying to read into it. Like there's some kind of like thing happening between the lines like like she thought she was going to come back and she didn't know she wasn't going to come back. And so that news dropped and then they were like, oh, She just moved to L.A. just to be on the show. And it's like, well, well, no, no. She's just she's got this show on her resume. She can now have like a career. Hopefully, if you know, there things happening and, you know, she can sign on to other projects and stuff.
00:18:53
Speaker
You know, I'm imagining she's probably out there auditioning a ton or whatever. whatever right now So it's maybe she's going to get her own geriatric spinoff. Maybe. Maybe. that's So something I was thinking was slow. Slow.
00:19:08
Speaker
What if we get that night shift? You know, yeah like what if she's on the night shift? You know, like yeah bring her back for that or something. I don't know. There's so many different ways they could go. And it's like to speculate now before anything else, it's rather bizarre. And then also it's like, you know, Dr. Collins didn't come back, you know, like. Yeah, I'm also upset about yeah that. I think people were upset. Yes. And they were all again, I think it was well also to there was like a the actor.
00:19:38
Speaker
Didn't she turn out to be like religious or like right? lean Oh, the Dr. Collins actress? Something there was like something people to twist figured out. I could be totally misremembering, totally wrong. Take everything I'm saying with the biggest grain of salt. I did not do any research.
00:19:57
Speaker
I'm just trying to remember from a year ago. Based on the readings, you know, it was like and then so there was like some fan speculation that like political differences led to her leaving or something. But like, I don't know, I think it's just I think like you when you can't you don't we don't have enough to go off to to like make any of these kinds of assertions, I think.
00:20:25
Speaker
yeah people are jumping to conspiracy theory like i understand if someone has the frustration that like yes it's baked into the show that they can rotate out the cast and we can bring in like fresh characters characters move on from the show but the fact that the characters that ah do leave our so far it's been like women of color i could see that someone having that frustration that's the other that's actually right that was the thing that people were were also kind of dinging the show for it's like hey, why are you only replacing
Casting Decisions and Cultural Dynamics
00:20:54
Speaker
them? Why not like all these other characters you got?
00:20:58
Speaker
That's totally valid, but we don't need to invent conspiracy theories to, like, justify, like, of, like, why that is. That just, like, it's like, oh, well, they probably just weren't even thinking about, you know, they were making these decisions. Yeah, it seems like one of those things is kind of like an oversight, like unfortunate, like, oversight, you know, or maybe next season they'll try and be better about it.
00:21:20
Speaker
ah But if it becomes, like, a legitimate thing over the next few years where it's, like, only those people are the ones getting rotated out, That's an issue. And it's, it's, it's a whole, it's kind of like a fool me once, fool me twice kind of thing. I think.
00:21:34
Speaker
full entire can't be pulled again Yeah. We're only, and we're only at, yeah, you can't, once you do the third time, then it's like, all right, there's a pattern. we're only at number two. Yeah, people are going to be hyper vigilant about the casting like going into season four. so like Well, and the fact that it's like, yes, we are losing Mohan, but Dr. Ellis, who every time we see her is fucking awesome. She's going to be a serious regular now. So like I'm excited for that. like i'm I'm not saying that it's like one a you know woman of color it makes up for another. It's like they're different. They're interchangeable, but like at least we get something, you know, because she's cool. She's a cool character. I mean, I guess it would be one thing if like it was if she was being replaced with like a white dude.
00:22:20
Speaker
yeah Yeah, exactly. Right. um Speaking of the pit, we've got Santos getting vibe checked by McKay in this, you know, just like completely being a doomer, as we say. Right. Yeah. Completely tossing ah every patient under the bus. Like, what do we think about that?
00:22:39
Speaker
Well, like we've we've seen her be like kind of checked out and just like she's not sleeping. She's she's reaching not the same kind of breaking point as Robbie. Like she's not about to ride off a motorcycle, but but wow she did pocket the scalpel. Yeah, that's what she has her own self-destructive tendencies and like it is teetering on the edge of of something. So like her lashing out at her patients is, you know, and especially, you know, hey, um i
00:23:10
Speaker
i I don't necessarily disagree with her assessment of that particular patient not being the smartest. I wouldn't praise it that way, especially if I was a doctor. you know like i think i think I side with McCain terms of like, yeah, you got to have the little a little bit of heart, even even if they are you know like getting their health advice from influencers are on TikTok or something. or you know like i see This woman seems like she's probably like you pretty aligned with RFKs, like health ideas. When they ask if she takes Tylenol, she's like, God, no. Yeah. Oh, you're right. Yeah, totally. Do you guys know who played her?
00:23:51
Speaker
Who was that? That was Noah Wiley's wife. Really? oh, oh, oh, oh. Because I knew she was going to be on the show patient. Yeah. That's funny. And then you're like the split second before you said who it was. don't if you got it. I was like, oh, yeah, like the lights went off. I was like, holy shit. She was great. Yeah, she was hilarious. And I have to say with this storyline in particular, before getting back into Santos specifically, was that like, you know, unfortunately, I did at one point date somebody who was very into like believing all of those, you know, food blogs and was point in time where like, you know, I'd be going over to her place like every once in a while. She'd be cooking something up and every single time there'd be fucking turmeric in it every single time. And like, it's totally like a cliche. I'd almost say when it comes in my mind about remembering this relationship, it was just like, you know, like and I'd call it out to I'd be like, lots of turmeric, you know, just they'd be like, oh, it's amazing. You got it. Because I think it does. It helps fight Alzheimer's. It does have some kind of benefits in terms of its antioxidant properties. Right, you just don't want to do too much. If you just spam it and act like it's a cure-all, then it's not to be good.
00:25:07
Speaker
Taking 500 milligram pills five times a day. liked her response. She's like, from a spice? Yeah.
00:25:19
Speaker
Like, yeah, too much of anything is not good for your body. I just liked the shade of her because she almost looks like the woman who came in with the American bikini that's horribly sunburnt. Yeah, the other way.
00:25:33
Speaker
Yeah. One's red, the other one's gold. Too many carrots. Yes. but But this thing with Santos, right? I think it's very interesting. I just want to call this out because, you know, a lot of her ideology is still very much so riding on Robbie. And she's reinforcing that again in this moment, right? Because she's talking about like, well, Robbie has it all together. And ah a lot of her ideology is a direct opposition to like what everybody else on the show has been saying up until now. Right. Like everybody else, even Joy, right, would be like, well, we still got to take care of the patients. Right. Well, actually, Joy does have a moment. Joy does have that moment right where she says something in front of a patient like, whoops. Oh, yeah. When she yeah yeah does the the fuck up.
00:26:22
Speaker
But least then she she probably is never going to do that again. that was like a one time, know, mistake. Exactly right. But what I'm getting at here, you know, is that this was like ah the one moment really beyond maybe even like an Ogilvy, you know, maybe being like fat phobic that one time. Like Santos is like at this moment being like an unsympathetic person in a way we...
00:26:43
Speaker
expect from her almost. But then at the same time, it's like she's kind of in a mental state that's ah in opposition to what everybody else is trying. Yeah. Like, I feel like, a you know, it's like I get I get where, you know, she's having a really shitty day. She's she's had probably had not just a shitty day, but like, ah you know, probably had a tough time in general. She's she's she has major feelings for Garcia. Right. And she won't even come over from and in bed. Right. That's a shame. Right. Yeah. She just got turned down.
00:27:14
Speaker
Whitaker was about to abandon her, you know, like she's got like nothing going for her in internally, she feels, you know, and I do really like feel for her. And the fact that she can't even reach out for help because, like, there's another... It's almost like a... It's another beat of this of the Whitaker scene from last episode where he's talking about, like, admit that you like me living with you, but where he's kind of trying to kind of...
00:27:38
Speaker
ah instead of being confrontational ah with, with it like get trying to get her to admit it, where he's just being like, I don't have to move out you know, like kind of just like of like, yeah, I can just, you know, take care of Robbie's stuff a couple times a day and then come back. And, and she's like, why would you do that? And he's like, why not?
00:27:56
Speaker
You know, like, yeah, It's like if she because she I think he realizes that she's not going to be able to at least now admit that one that she likes living with with Whitaker and that she doesn't want to be alone because I feel like that's what that's all about. Is that, you know, like if she's in this dark place that like similar to Robbie not being able to ask for for help. Who's who's ah the the person Robbie's dating Noel or something like we get we get. Right. right We get that scene where he's like asking her to to come with. But like, that's the best he can do. Like, he can't like actually like ask for he's like, please, someone save me from myself. Like he can't do say that. But you just be like, hey, you can come with me. So like this is kind of like ah Santos's version of that is like she's she's just unable to to ask for that kind of help.
Robbie's Challenges and Narrative Tension
00:28:46
Speaker
This is the closest that no Wiley's ever been to a Tim Robinson character. Right. He's constantly just like, ah, ah, like in every scene. And I'm not even exaggerating. Right. Like he's bursting at the seams and like he's lashing out at everybody and he's not even hiding the fact that he's, you know, on the edge. And and like you're saying, Doug, that moment where he's reaching out, you know, and it's so preposterous. She thinks that he's being like romantic almost in a way. And at that moment when she she's like, see you in a week, there's that's almost her way kind of throwing it back at him, you know, because he was throwing out a you know, please help me thing. And she was like, you know, this is my way of doing that almost to be like, I'm not going to get in the way of what you're going through at this current point point. But I know, but just know I am there for you a week from now. you know, kind of thing like on your end. Once you get through this rough period, I'll be here for you. The problem is, is that Robbie is so blinded and on this mission quest and he's not listening to anybody and everything he's, you know, criticizing everybody else around him for. He is guilty of way more. Yeah.
00:29:53
Speaker
Yeah. Also just learning the bit about his mom the very end. Oh, that's heartbreaking. Piece the puzzle. Because then I've seen people post clips of like earlier things. when Like one, it but puts into perspective how he snaps at Mohan of like, oh, are you sad about your mommy issues? and But then also with the baby Jane Doe where he's like, oh, your mom must have been a bad way to leave someone like you. I even saw someone speculating, like, what if it wasn't that she just left? What if she killed herself? Like, what if is this is like something that runs in the family, you know? like Yeah. Another reason why wouldn't want to talk about it at all. Like, you know, because Dana had no idea.
00:30:37
Speaker
The whole time they were working together, she had no idea. And that's like the person he's closest to. It was like, if Dana doesn't know, then fuck. Although, you know, like Duke didn't know. He barely knew he was a doctor, you know? Like, he's amazing at your compartmentalizing his his lives.
00:30:54
Speaker
you and The question is, does he have any even one life? Right. Like he he just kind of seems like a vacant vessel at this point. And for sure, like like even Abbott is like doing a lot of like, you know, side eyeing this episode, just not even like asking the question, but always looking and giving off the impression of are you all right? And it seems like like we're at a point where he's going to step in or something, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:17
Speaker
I definitely is is gearing up toward the the big intervention style ending, I think. Because it'll be great to see, you though. I can't wait to see how they how they ah depict it.
00:31:28
Speaker
Because the preview for next week, you see that someone fucked with his bike. So I'm thinking Abbott says at one point I have to go up like the computers come back on to greek you know because they paid the ransom. But he's like, I have to go upstairs to admin and like, you know, whatever, catch him up to speed. I'm sure he did have to do that. But what if he also went down to the parking lot? Yeah. He just like just took off his leg. He's the other end.
00:31:54
Speaker
I like the idea of Abbott's like leg being like a weapon or like a kind of like a multi-tool, like in an Inspector Gadget sort of way. Yeah. He has like a hidden grenade launcher in it. Yeah.
00:32:10
Speaker
Just like a hammer, a knife, gun, everything you need in that leg. Yeah, Robocop has a gun in his leg. Why not Abbott? Yeah, it's like the the the ankle foot section is actually a gun. and The leg is like a sword and a hammer.
00:32:26
Speaker
There you go. Multipurpose. Yeah. Close range and long range. Exactly. You want versatility in warfare. He's a human Swiss Army knife. Yeah. So like he's the Swiss Army man. Swiss Army leg. swiss Sorry. You got a good man with a Swiss Army leg.
00:32:43
Speaker
We want to be ex exact. No farts here. But yeah I feel like everyone to some degree knows that Robbie is in a super bad place. But I feel like Jack would probably better than anyone because they're the ones. Yeah, they have that history.
00:32:59
Speaker
They seem to have a history of just talking each other off the literally off the ledge. They literally are the friends that talk each other off the ledge when they need to. and So I think like if anything, it's going to be like Abbott.
00:33:11
Speaker
abbott being is probably gonna be the one that or they could subvert it and have it be someone else and make everyone really think oh shit he isn't even listening to abbott like right and then someone else swoops and maybe duke or fucking dana or who who knows maybe he just robbie has an internal thing he's like shit i can't leave or he leaves and then we just have to wait till next season.
00:33:39
Speaker
Yeah. How evil would it be if like it just if they leave it? We just don't know. drives. You see him drive off. It goes black. I would. I packle i would be careful. but Well, well ah it the.
00:33:56
Speaker
Oh, I just lost it. The. Hmm. Yeah, never mind. all You'll get it. You'll get it. Yeah, I'll get it back. i kinda thought Yeah, exactly. Just got out the window off the track. You know, it happens. It happens. Yeah.
00:34:10
Speaker
ah What else with Robby? Since we're on the Robby topic, we said the mom stuff. Oh, oh there's the moment where because, you know, the Mohan of it all, like her patient ah Diaz ah is is back. The one that she tried. She did everything she could to try and help him. And then yeah he's in this horrible situation.
00:34:33
Speaker
They say he's going to live, but it's not going to be. It's going to be a and and not a great situation. you know, a different quality of life than before. Yeah.
00:34:44
Speaker
I felt that that like whole moment when that woman came in and was talking about the cost of living, you know, with the the money and she's like, don't worry, you're covered. There was something so fucking eerie and gross about that shit. You know, the idea that they were fucking struggling like penny to penny, every paycheck ah to live a life. And now they can live comfortably because their fucking husband is, you know, he's technically disabled now. So like, He qualifies for for different, you know, benefits. And like the fact that Noel doesn't clock, that that's like not the time. Like, like, come on, girl.
00:35:21
Speaker
Nuts. I wanted to like not not because like like obviously it's like a necessary conversation to have. But at the same time, it's like right now. That's a manor. Oh, yeah. Non-existent.
00:35:36
Speaker
Yeah, but but there's a whole thing when they're in the operating room because they have the whole thing. Like he has like like all this extra inner cranial pressure. So they have to like fucking like go into his head to relieve the pressure. But the way they like cross the the one the one tube underneath everything, like going in one side at the end, like, ah, that was... Every episode, there's always one, you know, Spanish thing. And this week it was that for me.
00:36:04
Speaker
There's been gross head stuff a couple episodes in a row like this. So just see. Yeah. The head. firework guy bad head Yeah. and in the surgery room, right, as as we said, like Mohan like is in this position and she's just kind of like zoned out at this point because. Like, yeah, you know, this is really fucked up. And I like because they had that personal connection and she just can't do it. And honestly, in that moment, I'm totally with her. I'm like, it's been a long day. That's a really traumatic experience. She's going like, as we call that her own Ogilvy situation. And ah this is a situation that she's going to remember for the rest of her life. And then in that moment, ah you get. Yeah.
00:36:43
Speaker
Robbie going to Javadi to step up for this brain surgery. And what did you guys think of that moment when he's like, you know, it was interesting. it was interesting, it you know, because it's like.
00:36:55
Speaker
one of those things where i could totally see both sides of the equation where it's like i felt bad for javadi because like she's also like kind of at past her her peak a little bit and like probably you know does not want to fuck up in front of a legendary neurosurgeon like you know and then all of a sudden not through her own volition but but robbie just like pushing her off it's like you know she's at the the the top uh thing the diving board or whatever she's on top of the cn tower and robbie just cut her yeah who her you know it's a bit kind of kind of mean but also you know at least it all went well nothing horrible happened and she ultimately i think is you know
00:37:43
Speaker
better for having done it but just like uh you know watching it was a little like yeah mom i was on edge because i just just like you know really uncomfortable it's the way he did it right because like yeah i think in his mind that he thinks that is being supportive like he is right because there was a moment also earlier in the season where he kind of like tried to have javadi's back of when her mom like hey show your mom here yeah er is why you belong here yeah yeah yeah So he wants her to have these these moments of empowerment, but because he is the way he is right now, he is is not able to set that up in the right ways because he's doing it in a way that just puts more pressure on her.
00:38:23
Speaker
Yeah, he's being incredibly controlling about it and not supportive. Yeah. He's become a lot more transparent, right? Where like his before he would kind of like nudge people in the right direction. And that was his magic as a doctor. And right now we're seeing like we've seen it gradually throughout all these episodes. We've talked about the incremental changes here and there. And at this point now, the facade has been fully off. He is barely keeping it in. And, you know, with Malhan, he's still, you know, snippy and snappy with her. Right. Right. But the moment he gets with Javadi in that moment, he's like still setting her up in a moment to let her shine. But he's still doing it in an an elegant way. Yeah.
00:39:02
Speaker
Like if this is a situation where Javadi could do it because she's a fucking rock star. We've seen that several times. Same deal with Mohan and Mohan. Yeah. Step aside for a very reasonable reason. And one thing that's interesting Is that this there's this been this question about Alashimi, right? About her zoning out. Right. yeah And what I what I find interesting is that Robbie is trying to like string a along ah a thread almost in the sense that like, you know, oh, because Mohan and Alashimi were at the same practice for a little bit. Right. She he's trying to like, you know, see a pattern in their behavior. What do you guys think about that?
00:39:39
Speaker
Well, I thought it was him kind of like trying to play detective because he notices like one of those moments where she just said it's just for like a second where she like loses focus and zones like we we saw previously in the season. But he clocks it. And now he because he he's like looking for he both.
00:39:56
Speaker
wants to go on this trip but is also looking for excuses not to go so i feel like this is an example of that where he's like oh something's up with alishimi i gotta get to the bottom of this and put on my detective hat so like yeah because mohan had had that experience with her he's like can you tell me but you know he's ah he's just he thinks he's on fucking law and order now that he can like you know question her and be like hey tell me to What's Alashimi's deal? ah But I... And, you Mohan is just like, yeah, maybe she was just tired or something, which would be reasonable to think because they've all had long days. But I don't think anyone's first thought would be like, she's got something neurologically wrong with her. Because, like, all of the moments, you know, seem...
00:40:43
Speaker
Like when that went in this episode, when she had her moment, when she's explaining the thing and she paused, I thought she was done explaining the thing when she paused. And then everyone was like, Alohimi, are you there? And I was like, she is there. what What's going on?
00:40:56
Speaker
I was I felt. Yeah, I was like, she looked. And then and then like rewatching, was like, oh, yeah, wait, she I guess there was more she was going to say about that, huh? But it's also case like I don't know anything about any of this medical stuff. So, like, I don't know, know, you know,
00:41:11
Speaker
It kind of one of those moments where it was like she was like, you know, in the middle of something and trailed off a bit. And then it was kind of a worry. Yeah, I think. And again and then on rewatching it, I think what had happened was she was listening to kid breathing and he wasn't yeah breathing right. And I think that triggered something.
00:41:28
Speaker
Because one of the other times it happened was with baby Jane Doe, where she was like, yeah, at Jane, baby Jane Doe and kind of like for a second, like, ah you know, not blacked out, but she kind of just like faded out for for us a second. So like, i think there is something to do like she she has a neurologist that she sees there's definitely a neurological component to this. But maybe this is yeah tied to some kind of trauma where she lost a child or something like I don't know. Yeah, it does seem like that could be a potential like it is like a she has some kind of like traumatic, like post-traumatic kind of thing going on. Or yeah, or it is, you know, something going on with her brain.
00:42:06
Speaker
But let's be real here, right? Like, at least she's got a neur ah neurologist she's talking to. Yeah. At least she's like actually trying to get a handle on it and trying to do it in a way that doesn't like impact attention to it or you know like uh she's trying to do it discreetly privately which which is her right guess yeah yeah totally her right getting at because yeah she's she's never in a position where like she zones out in the middle of a life-threatening situation right not yet Well, like, that's the thing that Robbie would say, right? Yeah. But then it's also like a situation where it's like, you know, ah she, you know, understands that she has limitations and she knows when it's getting to the point where it's too much. We've never, ever seen that moment. And it's a question of like, would you get there? Well, I don't know. We're in this position where we're watching Robbie run around, barking at everybody, like actually making the environment worse and more stressful for everybody. So it's like the same thing that he's, you know, worried about her. He doesn't recognize that he's almost kind of instilling within the rest of the hospital around him.
00:43:07
Speaker
Yeah. Because if this was Robbie who had the same kind, whatever her situation is, condition, he wouldn't be seeing a neologist neurologist. We already know how terrible he is at like going to therapy. like That therapist calls him out of like like, okay, maybe the next guy will work better. i mean I mean, sometimes it does happen where you have to try out multiple therapists so you find the one, but I feel like for Robbie's case, it's more just he doesn't want to do that. He's like, I i think I'm just going to kill myself. Should I go on my bike trip? See a month. How do you get rid of bad thoughts? You just end thoughts in general.
00:43:42
Speaker
Yeah, simple. It's come on like you got it's simple math. um But the the thing that you go back to Dana a bit, right, because I feel like in the last time that we saw her going at it with Robbie, it was a lot more ah in her court almost. Right. Like she was almost like giving him the hard truths and he had to just kind of take it. And all of you is throwing back was like,
00:44:06
Speaker
his own petty insecurities. I feel like the all pretense of like disagreement is gone in their argument at the end. Right. Like, it just feels like it's almost like he he is just yelling at her.
00:44:19
Speaker
I'm killing myself. And it's going to be I'm going to make it your problem. This is really the yeah, the first time I think she it really dawned on her that this is like you know, a one way trip.
00:44:32
Speaker
Because they're openly taking shots at each other. Now, there was a point in the beginning of the episode where, you know, she she's saying to him that he can leave now. And then he's like, oh, why don't you leave? And it was he like is like calling her a hypocrite, basically in front of everyone. And they're just being very snippy and un unprofessional. And well, he is being. Yeah, i mean, there is a bit where he started like, you know, started ah yapping about... Garcia? land Yeah. er but Was it orland Orlando? I think it's the same guy. Orlando Garcia, I think, is his full name. Yeah, ya yeah, yeah. yeah ah But yeah, like he was, you know, he was like blabbing about...
00:45:14
Speaker
you know, maybe you didn't want to wake up like, you know, it's not something you do in the middle of, you know, right as his wife is like walking out. Yeah. Like Jesus, dude.
00:45:26
Speaker
and And then like Dana's like, you know, it's like, you don't you don't you got to kind of got to stop yourself. And he's like, I did stop myself. But it's like, no, you didn't, dude. You didn't say it because she stopped you. Yeah.
00:45:40
Speaker
Like it it very much is like kind of like mother child, you know, what they kind of get get out at the end, you know, yeah a child misbehaving and the mother like reprimanding kind of it's getting to that moment with the with them.
00:45:54
Speaker
For sure, because like that we definitely know that Dana's had a bad day as well, given everything that she's had to go through as well. But like despite her yelling in a bathroom, which is a valid reaction to what had happened when she did that. Right. um She's been able to manage this. It's the fact that Robbie is unwinding in this way that she's really deteriorating in this. So she's not deteriorating because of the day that she's had. She's deteriorating because she is worried about him. And it's reflecting not just on like, you know, them, but like the whole hospital, you know, all of the day shift is kind of just in tatters at this point. Yeah. And like the night shift people are doing like, you know, are the ones kind of saving the the day for for some of these pet patients. Exactly.
00:46:37
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah. And with with Dana, like I like we've talked about the mother comparison. She's still like the, you know, the general manager at the Waffle House of my eyes. You know, like she's she's running a thing like a, you know, like a diner. She's the AD. Yeah.
00:46:54
Speaker
yeah The AD of the pet. Yeah, exactly. ah What else about Robbie? Oh, oh, oh, well, on the Dana note, I think one of the best there's there's, you know, if if the show doesn't get me to outright like start tearing up, there'll just be a moment that like, you know, just hits you right, right in yeah your heartstrings. And I feel like yeah the Dana um ah Digby, i almost called him Mr. Digby, but he keeps correcting. He's like, it's just Digby. But but like he's he's just kind of been around the whole season. But like and when they give him the haircut, I also just love the lives like oh I thought Tom Cruise. is
00:47:37
Speaker
Well, let's be honest, right? Like, I just love every time and the way that Dana says, all right, Mr. Digby, you know, like it's like one of those like classic. You almost imagine like Harley Quinn saying it or something. It's perfect.
00:47:49
Speaker
um and and And also like that moment of Emma giving him the shave. Right. Yeah. Yeah, that was just like a wonderful because of everything that she has gone through that day. Like, like at the moment, you're like, my come on, like after being put in a headlocker to make her shave this guy, like that sucks. But like, it's actually like a really nice moment. yeah She's like the most confident she's ever been after that horrible moment. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's here. She's at the beginning, I think, you know, she made the announcement. She was like, oh, no, I'm fine. OK. Yeah.
00:48:21
Speaker
All right. Although she does go home. she still goes home. Which, you know, good going on her. Just, you know. Keeping her cool, but also recognizing her limit kind of kind of feel.
00:48:33
Speaker
But I also don't get the sense that because of like the assault or something that like, like you said, like she seems fine. And I don't think she's just saying that, like, I think it's she's going to be back. You know, like I've seen some people worry about like the turnover between seasons of like, oh, no, say goodbye. All the new like students are like, goodbye. And I'm like, i I don't know. I feel like there's nothing to indicate. at least Yeah. you That she won't be bad. Either she'll be back. Either she'll be back or there'll be like a line or two about her doing well wherever she is. Like if she's not back, if she's not on that shift, you know, because she just might be on a different shift. Yeah. Yeah. Like, honestly, when Emma started the show, like she kind of was really reserved. She was kind of in a background a bit. Yeah. But with this whole arc throughout this entire season, I felt like just in the way that she was able to care for these patients, I truly felt like she stepped up and she proved her own. So it would be a shame if she didn't show up again. But I really did like Emma on the show. was a yeah She Yeah, she was great. and And like her exit on here at this point, what I was saying was that like it's almost like anyone who leaves after, you know, any point from the last episode, it's like you got out. Congratulations. Yeah. You avoided the explosion.
00:49:46
Speaker
Yeah, like you don't need to be here to see this, Emma. and and And I guess we could go right into it. Like the same goes for Ogilvy, right? How do we feel about Ogilvy's moment here? ah His whole, you know?
00:49:59
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like in Skaia it's gotta be like a you know now it's like the defining moment of his day like and it's probably just the kind of thing that's put everything that came you know before it into perspective in a way that's probably making him feel really shitty about himself and about his like behavior and his sort of perspectives outlook you know things that you know back and forth see what's happening and you hope that it's the kind of thing that that's what's going on and said like you really I guess I don't
00:50:35
Speaker
know yet i'm kind of just hoping that the you know this whole internal thing that's going on is is a thing of like self-reflection of like oh these are the ways that i could ah you know i was this or that and uh really he's just traumatized maybe he's just you know freaked out because like he thought this guy just what was it he missed a kidney stone and then and then it wasn't even a kidney stone it was like this it was an aneurysm and then something he needed He had already discovered, but because the computers were down, like, they couldn't, they didn't even know. so it was like, he had no chance of ever saving this guy because of the situation at hand.
00:51:17
Speaker
So there, you know, there is that thing, too, where he might just be, who knows where he's at, but, like, you know. I saw something that seems normal. Yeah, I saw something the actor said where he was saying like, oh, I don't really even see this as like ah a redemption arc for Ogilvy, but it's like a destruction arc. A destruction arc because, yeah, he's like, yeah he's someone who...
00:51:42
Speaker
you think shouldn't thrive in an environment like this because because ah that is a thing where some doctors are just very cold no bedside manner but though they are very good at their jobs you know so it's like that that you he might be the the cliche of of that but like no that this is like that environment just crushed him Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:03
Speaker
Well, it seemed like it wasn't even like he had like a cold bedside manner, or more like it was like smug. Like he was very like he seemed a bit like know it all or a bit like like you had like a chip on his shoulder. Yeah.
00:52:20
Speaker
Yeah. Like he he just needed like kind of a real humbling of sorts. And he got one. It just was, you know, really horribly tragic one.
00:52:31
Speaker
you think that his reaction was that he picked up that James Baldwin book and like really took it to heart? no
00:52:41
Speaker
Well, i think there is definitely the part to because like the reason that he gave him the book and then they have that moment is like there's there's some kind of familial thing that whatever baggage with his father he has that like he saw something of that in in this patient. So then losing him is like, oh, no, you know, it's like that could have been my dad that died.
00:53:01
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's a really wonderful moment, too, because then you get Whitaker as well, because like I feel like we did have a few of those kinds of moments where Whitaker was rocked to his core last season. Right. And to have him be in that position where he can, you know, be a shoulder for somebody else to lean on a bit. um It's it's a nice little moment. Them looking get out onto the sunset. Right. kind of Like in the back of the truck. I don't know. I liked it. Even if I don't like Ogilvy too much, I still kind of keep him at arm's distance. I'm glad that, you know, at least at some level he like felt something. And I'm glad that like that's something that was resonant with him and whether or not we see him in the next season. Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? Right. Like the character that's like. It would be neat though. He comes back and he's like, you know, totally different, like more. Sure.
00:53:49
Speaker
and then he And then there's a new you know new student and he's all who who's doing all the things he was doing you know and this season, and he's got to be the guy who's like, no, you've got to have more empathy for these guys. You can't make jokes. You can't do this. You can't whatever.
00:54:05
Speaker
Yeah, um that'd be cool to see him back. for For me, like, the big takeaway from that scene is ah for Whitaker is, like, he's not going anywhere because ah Whitaker's alluded to that, like, he wants to go and practice rural medicine. like in indian Yeah, but but it seems like he's almost, like, talking himself back into just staying at the yeah ER. like Where he's kind of just talking like that he's, like, ah almost, like, addicted to it. There's, like, there's nothing like it the way he's talking about it, where it's just like, yeah, that... that that that kind of rush of being able to do emergency medicine and like not problem solving and all that stuff. i mean, yeah, you can do that in a rural setting, but it's definitely not going to give you that same rush. Much slower pace. Yeah. Let's be honest here about Whitaker, right? Like he really likes it when people are dependent on him. Right. Like in that even the whole thing about like Santos.
00:54:50
Speaker
Yeah. He gets a little enjoyment out of getting her to admit that she likes having him around. well well Well, not even that so much, right? It's like the fact that he still ultimately decides, regardless of that moment, like to still live with her because he knows how much it means to her. Right. Yeah. And and then even in this, you know, moment where he's talking to Ogilvy about what he likes about the ER, I think it just totally makes sense. I don't think it's anything weird or unusual about him. I think some people are just wired that way where they just yeah get genuine enjoyment about helping other people. And Whitaker seems like that kind of...
00:55:24
Speaker
warm soul. he's He's handling his stuff way better than most of the people who have been handling their stuff tonight. Yeah. I mean, yeah, besides like some of the med students other than Elgalvee, like he is probably one the most well adjusted people there. ah before And like a year ago, he was one getting splattered with everything.
00:55:43
Speaker
He's got splattered with poop, with blood. Yeah, he got all the fluids all over him. There was the mouse this year. Was that this year? That was last season. The mouse. Was it? I don't know. They're blending together now. Yeah, yeah. That was the first season when they win the rats. Last season. Yeah. That's when he used his farm boy knowledge to get him. But before we get get too far from Emma, I just wrote really want, like, that moment that's one of my favorite moments of the episode and maybe the season when, because, uh,
00:56:10
Speaker
you know, a Digby complimented Emma of like, was like, how long have you been a nurse? She says, it's my first day. so you're really good at this. But then yeah after after they give him the haircut and kind of like the little makeover, he's where he's like, oh, my family's not going to recognize me. they Yeah. And then she asked, like, did you dance with your daughter at your we wedding? Because she said that's the last time he looked like that was at his daughter's wedding. And he and said, yeah, dancers and she'll never forget know you. And it's like, oh,
00:56:40
Speaker
maybe Maybe some of the best writing this season. Yeah, it's good stuff. Yeah, that's what the show excels at. um We meet some new doctors like from like we know the night crew who's come in. Like I love ah Dr. Shen, who ah constantly has like a drink. Like he just has like an iced coffee at all times. And his reaction to when he's asking, like someone's asking like if they needed a card for Rob, he's like, no, he didn't want any gifts. And he was like, was there cake? And he's like, oh, man, I want to see cake. Yeah, that was funny.
00:57:15
Speaker
He's just one of those people, those corporate or like, you know, mass, you know, hired people where it's like they look forward to those birthdays. You know, they come every couple, you know, a couple times every month, but they look forward to that cake. Oh, if there's pizza or like cake, you worry. Yeah, I'm fucking that's that's the why I'm there. Like, I'm i'm not missing that.
00:57:33
Speaker
Exactly. We meet Dr. To Marion, the one of the the night residents. Yeah, she's cool. And then she has the moment with Alashimi where they speak our Armenian together. Oh, yeah. And then and then a month Monica. is Is that the mega nurse? she mag so megan not action Yeah.
00:57:59
Speaker
Just her look. did She likes to look terrified when she hears them speaking. Like, oh my god. She's ready to call Ice back there right now. Yeah. In the Ice update, they kind of maybe know where Jessie's being taken, which is scary. Like, three episodes. episodes right later that like they just are finding it to like have someone it's it's ah it's awful what they're doing all around to like the the people that they they pick up but like to someone who was working there just doing their job that they take and that they don't they don't know for hours where he's even going to be like that's crazy
00:58:35
Speaker
And they already are stuck talking about the GoFundMes, right? Like, it's it's a situation where it's like they already got his back and good, like, damn right they should. You know, Jesse was a goddamn hero, a goddamn patriot, if you will. You know, he did the right thing in that moment. Yeah, great.
00:58:49
Speaker
He should have done more. He should have fucking clawed. He just put a hand out. He's like, fucking, he should. Well, I there was a little implication that more may have happened. What was it? McKay kind of leans over. It's like he did a little more than just touch him. Yeah.
00:59:06
Speaker
But they're underwriting it on the report to kind of like, you know, yeah help about a little bit, which is awesome. Yeah. it they Not that you know, oh, you know, they're no practice. No, that's great. Actually, speaking of great moments as well, I really love that moment when they're doing charting and stuff and it's just like ah Mel Whitaker and Santos. Right. And the the paper gets jammed. Right. Yeah. Like ah that was just like a really wonderful little moment between characters, you know.
00:59:36
Speaker
Yeah, that was that was fun. We haven't seen them really just like hanging out like that. That was more like a season one dynamic where they were like new and they it felt it felt like a nice lower stakes thing where it's like, can they finish charting and shred this thing?
00:59:52
Speaker
Yeah, it's so kind of funny. I think maybe it was on Twitter. Someone posted the season one clip or something and just watched it. It's kind of crazy how much calmer that season feels compared to this season, even though that season was really intense. They had a mass shooting. Yeah, there was a whole mass shooting that happened. Like, that was crazy.
01:00:12
Speaker
But then this season, it's just like constant because of the the hack and the going analog and all that. It's just the backlog of all everything is just made it made it, you know, feel three times is like busy, I guess.
01:00:26
Speaker
Mm hmm. It just feels like they're sitting on a bomb this whole season, especially this bad guy. You don't even realize how frantic everything is until you just watch an episode from the previous season and see how much calmer, you know, relatively it is. Mm-hmm. One of the things I like about this moment coming at this moment right now, right, is that, you know, one of the things that Robbie keeps on saying as he's going on these tirades that he is, is that all this place is falling apart without me. Right. But these three are just enjoying a small moment with each other and they're, you know, finding solace in each other's company. Right. Going to Dean's point, this place will continue far after him. Right. And I think that what this moment is showing that no matter how long this day has been, know, how shitty everybody has been put through the ringer and all that stuff, they're still finding respite, you know, in the little moments. And I think that that's a wonderful thing to keep on reinforcing. And it goes against Robbie's point almost in a way.
01:01:24
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, because what are the things that Robbie lists when he's talking to Dana where he's like, he's like, I don't know what if I can leave the hospital to Alashimi. Yeah, he doesn't if Alashimi is fit. He doesn't know if Whitaker is going relapse. He doesn't know. Whitaker going to relapse. He's going to relapse more rats. Yeah, like... Oh, you know what not Whitaker? Fuck. Yeah. like yeahla That's funny to imagine Whitaker as an addict. Yeah, not Whitaker. Jesus Christ. Langdon. Langdon is going to relapse. Whitaker is fine. Whitaker. But Langdon's also fine. Like, he's like a little sad. Langdon's OK. He's like that. That's like not or that's a reach that that that that fear. You know, he's afraid for his friend. That makes sense. You know, ah he's afraid for. Oh, yeah. And he mentions um Mohan, mahan I think, too. Right. Yeah. ah
01:02:21
Speaker
So and then and then then, you know, he caps it off with you, Dana. Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:30
Speaker
it's ah It's a situation where it's like it's feels like projection, right? It's going through their own shit and he's like, you're in recovery, you're in recovery, you're in recovery. You all suck. It's like, what you mean? Like they're trying their best. It's all just like negative. All of the things about himself that he hates, he's projecting on all these other people.
01:02:52
Speaker
and hopefully they'll reach out to him before it's too late. But we'll have to just wait and see. but But the fact that he'll say that he's worried Langdon will relapse within, the you know, ah an hour ago, he was kind of defending Langdon to al- Hashimi when Al Hashimi was like, he stole drugs from the ah ER. And he's basically just saying like, hey, we have the best of the best here, including it Langdon is implicitly included in that and being like, hey like we need our guys because they know their shit. Like and we save lives. So but but but then he's also like how that fucking Langdon. He's a loose cannon.
01:03:32
Speaker
damn it Langdon he's sitting at his desk give me your badge and gun it's like we're the best we're the best doctors around only when I'm here to make sure that they don't go off the deep end right I'm already off the deep end Right. you're already a swimming.
01:03:48
Speaker
Really, I just want to drag you all down with me. He wants to be the loose cannon is the problem. Yeah, you should talk about Langdon specifically with that whole like Mel conversation. That was like a really nice moment where it felt like that was the first time really this whole day that they've had like, you know, a a friend bonding moment. Right. And it was nice to see because yeah it was Langdon. we said it before that like he just kind of has like a mopey moment where he's just like everyone's talking shit behind my back I don't know if I can do this yeah kind of you Charlie Brown ass attitude right milking cheers him up it's nice yeah she cheers him up by quoting Kelly Clarkson well she yeah she says that but does not kill us makes us sorry he's like oh Nietzsche like yeah yeah yeah definitely him and not not Kelly Clarkson
01:04:39
Speaker
Which is a funny character detail. It's like, yeah, they're doing the shippers mental illness. No help. I have to say, you know, like they're just, you know, putting more logs in the fire. think the shippers have to remember is that friendship exists. Yeah.
01:04:55
Speaker
No, they're in love and they're going to get married. Platonic friendship is is a totally valid thing that can happen between a man and a woman.
01:05:06
Speaker
No, not possible. but doug doug Doug, you haven't seen the bear, right? Not yet. No, but i know of that. fan there's There's a there's a ship in it that the fans are like ravenous about, right? Yeah, they they they want a debris to get with ah Bruce Springsteen, right? And we're the lead. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:05:29
Speaker
without spoiling too much of the show, right? Like I'm not, you know, ruining anything by saying this, but like a lot of their relationship is like about how he has gone through a lot and now he's putting that on her. You know, it's like almost like he was given trauma and now he's giving her trauma. Right. And it's like one of those things where it's like, I don't know if I want to see them in a relationship, you know, like I don't know. It sounds like a bad relationship. Exactly. So that's where it's a little different for me. Right. Or it's like, you know, that might be unhealthy. The worst problem here is that he's married.
01:06:04
Speaker
Supposedly. I mean, if he has a I mean, you know, then it's OK. Or if it's an open marriage, you know, then whatever. That's the twist. That's the twist. leans in at the end and he's like, we're open. you know I mean, that's like when he said my wife almost left me. That's how he kept it together, where he's like, OK, fine, we'll open up the marriage. And then, you know, it was out of desperation.
01:06:30
Speaker
Invite the yoga instructor over. See if I care. You know, like one of those.
01:06:39
Speaker
I mean, yeah, we still haven't seen the wife and those faces he's making like when they're talking about running by the missus where he's like, oh, what's going on? What's going on? he's looking like he's stubbing his toe.
01:06:59
Speaker
Oh, he's he's still the funniest character to me. I still think he's hilarious. Oh, yeah, I'm pro. I'm very pro-Lignan. You know, he's he's great. He's great. So you could have seen more of those reenactors this week. But yeah, yeah. At least we did get more of the horribly sunburnt woman. I do like seeing her walking getting around in full pain. No offense to her pain, but it's really funny. as it No, it is funny. ah That's great. no oh And then speaking of great images, not from this week, but from next week due to the flag.
01:07:35
Speaker
Oh yeah. Flag dude. What's the fucking flag in his chest neck or something? Oh my god. I cannot fucking wait to see what that's all about. Yeah, I mean, we've been waiting because you were saying earlier, it like the the Fourth of July specific injuries. We kind of just are scratching the surface. Like, yeah, we've had some fireworks blow up, but like there's going to be some crazy stuff we're going to see like that. Yeah. In these last two weeks, there has to be.
01:08:01
Speaker
hmm. I mean, you know, we have had to get them out, but like, you know, come on. Two more episodes. We're teetering on in another explosion of some kind, you know, whether from a patient or something like not just Robbie, something else is going to grow wrong. Because even though this season has been so stressful, there hasn't been many like pressure valves being released. And I feel like they're about to fly like the valves are about to fly off. Yeah, these are so pent up.
01:08:31
Speaker
Well, maybe once Robbie sees what happened to his bike, he's not going to be able to. Oh, yeah. That kind of was his release valve that he was like, but like, OK, I just got to get through today. i'm just going to kill myself and it'll be fine. But now if that option's taken away, he's probably going to explode on like fully explode on someone in in the hospital. like whether it's a ah patient or just in front of everyone. I feel like it's going to be very public. He's not going to have like the room to himself. It's not going to be like last season where he was able to go into the room by himself.
01:09:05
Speaker
It's going to be like for everyone to see. And then, It's really just I think the question is just like, what is the fallout going to be? Is he going to get a reduced position for next season as a result? Is he going to are they going to have to put him on like a hold or mental health kind of leave for, you know, like, is he you know, like what does this mean for Robbie in season three?
01:09:33
Speaker
who Because what if he lives, but he's barely in the season because he's like not, you know, like, yeah, he's not actually capable. He just becomes like a cameo or something in the next season or whatever. He just shows up for a couple episodes to stress everyone out. And then the night dips.
01:09:54
Speaker
I see it happening. At the same time that The Bear was premiering, there was a British movie that premiered called Boiling Point. It stars Stephen Graham. Yeah. Adolescence. And it's like the one version. It's like all in one take. And it's it's like The Bear basically.
01:10:11
Speaker
Exactly. It's the same people that did Adolescence, right? Exact same. Yeah. So you got the same director and everything. So they love one takes. OK. They do that. That team really do. The interesting thing is that there was also a TV series. And the reason I'm bringing it up is because ah in the movie, it's all about how this guy who owns the restaurant, who is also the lead chef, his whole life crumbles. You watch the entire like process of that in that one, right? The next season is about how his sous chef, right? The second in command takes over and starts a new process, right? And he's like kind of almost like...
01:10:50
Speaker
living in his apartment in shame because of what had happened in the movie. And I feel as though there is a version where Robbie is going to be in a similar position as Stephen Graham in this Boiling Point series. Or um I think I feel like it wouldn't be too far off to say that he would be in a position like Langdon. Right. How ironic would it be with after all of this, he's put on a similar length leave as Langdon.
01:11:12
Speaker
Right. And then at that point, he would have, you know, he would have no position to say because, and I'm not saying that, you know, from a position of like blanked in vindication, I'm not saying that at all. It's because he has passed judgment on him. So right. And it's so, it's so blind to his own thing. And he's done that to everybody, not just him. That would be an interesting season three point like day would be like it's like, yeah, whatever happens at the end of the season results with Robbie needing to go on an extended leave. And then season three is his first day back in the way that like this season is Langdon's first day back.
01:11:48
Speaker
Exactly. He's now exactly in the same position as Langdon and people are treating him like they treated Langdon. Yeah. And he can't take that. Right. This idea of like ah he is so confident and self-assured in how he is the boss, the expert. Right. And now that he's at this point where he's not even holding that together because in his eyes, he's like, I'm not going to be here, you know, to see me after this. Right. Like I can act however I want. The fact that he's going to have to stay and, you know, rectify with his behavior, that's going to really tear him apart.
01:12:20
Speaker
It'll be great because will be us and the audience, the audience and Robbie seeing what has changed but without him, you know, in in whatever amount of time. Like, that'd be a really cool way to like, have that in. We're just like, oh, this is Al-Halashimi. Al-Shimi has robot doctors now. Whoa. Yeah. You've got like the Tesla robots, you know, they like come out and they like to greet. They dance. Dr. Claude, Dr. Grok, Dr. Sora, doctor Whatever the fuck. See you know, like all Dr. Chat GPT. Robbie walks into the ER. r There's nobody in the waiting room and it's just a giant screen. And it's like, hello, Dr. Robbie. Like, sure it's like it's like ah it's like two giant screens. You got the the big eye and then the other giant screen of all the patients waiting in their zoom boxes. Yeah, yeah they haven't left the house yet. Yeah, but yeah they're just like on zoom or some shit. They they look like Matthew McConaughey's what's called motivational speeches during COVID. Yeah.
01:13:27
Speaker
Yeah, no, there's a lot of possibilities with this, you know, where the pit could go.
Character Dynamics and Career Struggles
01:13:33
Speaker
And I feel like this episode is just more of dialing all of that stuff up and these little tender moments that remind us why we're watching the show. And speaking of not necessarily a tender moment, this is just a funny moment. I want to talk a call out. So Duke, we haven't talked about Duke. Yeah, this episode. Oh, his bit with the nurse or something. I'm going to give her lessons. Yeah, that was fun. I like she ready for it. She's ready for those lessons. Yeah. I mean, first I thought I was like, oh, love to see like a spinoff. A Duke spinoff for like, you know, Duke and Dr. Robbie or not even Dr. Robbie. Sorry, Mike, whatever his biker name is. don't know. Yeah.
01:14:15
Speaker
I like that we're we're pitching spinoffs because like night crew, that's like, you know, understandable. But now we're we're pitching like Walking Dead style spinoffs where it's like just like a random character that we're like, oh, people like this person, right? pi It's like the from the book of the pit chapter. Yeah. yeah Chapter to Robbie. Chapter Duke.
01:14:38
Speaker
ah It has nothing to do with medicine. It's just about the ins and outs of like being a mechanic and he's like, yeah, chicks. But it's like it takes place in a single day. That's like the whole, you know, every pit spin off. Yeah. The gimmick has to be that it takes place in one day, the whole season. 20 minutes every episode is him just on smoke break.
01:14:58
Speaker
Yeah.
01:15:04
Speaker
That's great. ah but yet But yeah, but yeah, the seems the worst is confirmed about Duke. Like he needs surgery order to live. And then there's kind of like the frustrating but very real note of like they're telling him of like Robbie wants to get his friend to the front of the line. But they're like, it's the weekend. It's Fourth of July. yeah you need to get like cardiologist approval. You got to get like all these other approvals before it can even get him into surgery. So it's like, you know, I'm never going to happen for maybe another month or two or something.
01:15:37
Speaker
No, I think they say a week. they say week? OK, my bad. But it was like a period of time. Yeah, it was like had to wait like a period of time and his whole thing is like, oh, great. Now he's got to wait and he could die 50 percent.
01:15:48
Speaker
50 percent chance he dies while he waits. Great. Or whatever. Because he says, yeah, what happens if he keels over like in while waiting? he's like, well, he calls 911. You know, like that's the system. Yeah. You have to wait until you're actually dying and then we can do something.
01:16:03
Speaker
It's this like savior complex that Robbie has had this entire season and then also specifically with everything that's been happening with Dana, where he's like, I got to make sure that everything's held together. I got to hold Alishimi accountable. I got make sure that Langdon doesn't relapse. You know, it's the same thing with Duke where it's like, well, You know, if I'm not there to make sure that Duke does these things, then he's not going to live, you know? So yeah um the the problem is that Duke doesn't even know what he has. You know, he just knows that he's had this, you know, ah ride up and down from this other floor. So the idea that Robbie is trying to like almost police what his procedure is going to be, almost because he's afraid that if there's that week period because he's not there, he's just not going to follow through on it. It's almost kind of like
01:16:46
Speaker
He's babying his friend who's much older than him, you know? Yeah. He's like and it's like he's being the parent that he didn't have. Exactly. Yeah.
01:16:57
Speaker
I mean, he's got other issues that he's probably got father issues, too. That would make so Dana's his mom, Duke's his dad.
01:17:06
Speaker
Makes sense. You know, like psychoanalyzing Robbie. that's what People tune in for. Why aren't the fans shipping Dana? and Oh, wait, Dana has a husband. Never mind. Dana and Duke should get together. Well, Duke does have the charm. That's at least what we know. But yeah, Dana can leave her husband. if If Langdon can leave his wife, Dana can leave her husband.
01:17:33
Speaker
All bets are off. of I mean, we don't know what her home life is like. Yeah. She'd be as bad as Langton, for all we know. yeah Yeah, she just says she cuts in her husband's hair. That doesn't mean anything. like Oh, yeah, that is true. She does cut his hair. That's right. That's right.
01:17:50
Speaker
Yeah. Anyway, I hope they get moab she gets more lines about her husband or things they do. In general, I just i love it when like the characters have... you know, personal lines where you learn more about what's going on outside of the pit.
01:18:04
Speaker
Well, it's nice to think of them as having lives because so many of the characters very clearly, like Robbie, have nothing outside of the pit. So it's like they're like they're not even really people. it's like Robbie's got his motorcycle club and that's about it, I guess.
01:18:19
Speaker
Right. And that's that seems like less like him trying to find a hobby or personality and just clean. He he just needs something. And then also like he loves riding his motorcycle. and He's got these gi people who also love riding their motorcycl motorcycle motorcycles. So there there you go.
01:18:34
Speaker
Yeah.
01:18:37
Speaker
We didn't talk about the new guy on the hospital who is ultrasounding everything. I just like Anderson. He's cool. Yeah, he's he's like the night shift guy that's like ultrasound classes. That was that was a fun little save.
01:18:50
Speaker
no Gets a little moment to catch up with ah Langdon and makes ah Mohan so insecure. She throws out her ultrasound application and nearly jams the printer, jams the jammer or the shredder.
01:19:06
Speaker
Yeah, I like that it's a me because like he even throws her a bone of like, hey, you want to come with me on on this thing? Like, because he's like doing research for, you know, like ah some research thing he's doing for the reency residency he wants to do for for ultrasound. So and like he's like, yeah, you can come with me. But then she's just like, oh, this guy's so far ahead of me on that. So like, I'm just going to fucking not do an ultrasound residency like that. Yeah.
01:19:30
Speaker
It almost feels self defeatist in Mohan's position. Right. But then I also get it because like she's had such a shitty day and she does feel so, you know, like it feels like this entire season has just been like people telling her what to do. She had both Alishimi and Robby tell her to work with old people, which was like almost like a giant slap in the face in her eyes. Right. Right. So like it's a very defeatist day after everything she's gone through. I totally am like yeah everything that's happening to her. it sucks.
01:19:58
Speaker
I just hope wherever she lands, it's in a way where it feels like it's not like a she's banished to wherever more like that. Like she's like, I've decided and figured out this is what's best for me rather than like, ah like you said, like a defeatist way in terms of like, I don't know how we get there in two hours, like if she how she you know mentally gets gets gets to that place. But I want to see it happen on like a good note where she's like figures out like, yes, this is OK. This is what is the path I need to take.
01:20:28
Speaker
I know it just came to me, you know, Dr. Javadi's mother comes down. Right. And she's like, Dr. Javadi, I'm sorry, but I'm going to know, you and I am I'm removing relinquishing custody of you. You are no longer my daughter. And Mohan, you are now my daughter.
01:20:47
Speaker
You know, I'm going to fast track you through neuroscience and you are going to go in that direction. And that's how I will move forward. Yeah, what if she's not in the main cast, but she's still in the house? She's just on another floor. Like, she's just like upstairs. Like, yeah, that'd be fun.
01:21:03
Speaker
It's like all the diet it's like all the dialogue about Mohan. It's like, oh, I just saw her. We just said, you know, you just had this great dialogue upstairs while ah all you were doing surgery or something. She's thriving. They're saying she's the best neurosurgeon ever. That that would be really funny if that was the way to like satiate the fans like, you know, like there's a moment in season three, like every episode where everyone just goes, they sit down, they just go, well, it's like what Dr. Mohan used to say, you know, and it was just like some filler line that she said, like in the background of a scene or whatever from one of the first two seasons. like
01:21:42
Speaker
Is there anyone like someone like runs in into her on the upper upper floor and just takes a selfie? Because why not? And then they come down and then they're like, look, at look at what I just look at. I just ran into mom. It's like a selfie. And it's like a horribly photoshopped image or something.
01:21:57
Speaker
or it's blurry because it's Whitaker's phone. And it was like all shaky. know how yeah takes Whitaker's selfie. it was on the wrong camera you know that was so funny when like when we see we saw him take the photo and then there was a week before we found out that it was blurry everybody called it being blurry because that was the funniest possibility yeah the fans and the writers were on the same wavelength which uh which is great doesn't always happen that way
01:22:33
Speaker
But when it's when it does, it's beautiful because it means at least like people are in the right wheelhouse, which is not always the case. One thing we didn't talk about Langdon, actually, and I do want to call this out, is the whole in intubation moment with that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's stressful moment. And again, like again, another reason why why ah Mel had to kind of talk him down a bit because he is just like he missed that. He feels like shit, you know, like he just feels like he should have caught all the all that and he didn't.
01:23:03
Speaker
ah totally weighing on him. It's because he's not taking drugs anymore. he's if he he started using it again... If he was on those benzos, he would have he would have been in his right mind to catch all that.
01:23:16
Speaker
It's like the movie Lucy, right? You know, he's needs see he's really he's only using like 10, 20 percent of his brain. When he's on Benzos, it's like 80 to 100. He gets really good at stock trading as well. Yeah, yeah. He just goes full on limit limitless.
01:23:36
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Well, and it sucks for him because the few allies he felt like he because like Al Hashimi was being super supportive and warm of him and was initially like, oh, good, you got the help you needed until she realized that it is interesting that it's like even if he didn't tell them explicitly, no one assumed that the person with the drug problem was getting them from the place where, you know, drugs are. drugs Yeah, I guess they were just she was just really giving him the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, ah just like being as charitable as possible.
01:24:12
Speaker
But I feel like Alashimi will get over it, right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think she's going to, you know, in a week, you know, I don't think that Alashimi going to acting like that. It's just today.
01:24:23
Speaker
Yeah. Like, I don't think that she's ever going to like, like she'll definitely like have reservations with him, but I don't think that she's going to like, you know, treat him any. She's not the same. Yeah. Although I guess it is the thing of like the fact that he kind of got away without the full like consequence of steel of what would have happened if like it it had.
01:24:43
Speaker
been disclosed that he was like stealing drugs from the hospital. Like, right. Like he, the, the, the rehab stuff that he did was for addiction. He didn't actually like get caught for like stealing. Right. Well, cause I guess that's kind of part of it. Well, cause legally that would be a whole thing for the hospital too. Like that'd be bad them.
01:25:03
Speaker
Yeah, the hospital's trying to issue any kind of responsibility. And as we've seen in the first season, they're they're trying to cut corners and costs wherever they can. Right. And they're you they're trying to be wily about that in that sense.
01:25:16
Speaker
At the end of the day, like the timeline that he was on, it makes sense for what had happened. And there are doctors who go through this exact process. Right. The problem is, it's like it really comes down to the individual at this point. And we're seeing the difference here. Right. Like, it's not like Alishimi is walking around. People will just be like,
01:25:34
Speaker
He's seen Langdon. Yeah. like like robb is Right. Like, like, he's just like, you know, you see him, you know, like he's he's going to do something, you know, like it's it's like that's him the entire
Creative Speculations and Industry Humor
01:25:45
Speaker
time. It's it'ss like that moment from The Simpsons where they're all watching Homer's like he's about to do something stupid.
01:25:53
Speaker
Just you. Is a fucking gossip. I would love it if like, you know, there was a moment where, you know, like maybe like like Langdon gets like steak bite looking things on his his arm or something. But it's like, no, a patient bit me, you know, like it's like explainable. There's a vampire in the pit.
01:26:14
Speaker
Now we're talking. Yeah. talking That'll be season seven. know, save the the. That's the Halloween season. That's the one where day play they got to do one on Halloween day. I can't can't wait. I mean, do doctors dress up on Halloween? Whatever. Just do it in the show. I don't care whether they do it in real life. I feel like.
01:26:37
Speaker
I feel like they do. Maybe. probably depends on where the place is. Yeah. I made a tweet about this, right? And some people with some medical experience responded in the replies and they were saying things along the lines of like, um you have to wear a costume that's easily removable.
01:26:56
Speaker
Right. Right. Depending on the circumstance. So it's like, yes, they can wear costumes on Halloween, but it's almost like, you know, it's not going to be fun, though. Right. That can still be that can make for great like moments where, you know, they're cheery and costume and oh shit, something happened, which, you know, just comes right off and they're in doctor mode.
01:27:17
Speaker
Like one person who replied says they got chest compressions from a woman who was wearing bunny ears. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, make for some really great, ah really great memes.
01:27:33
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Just, you know, doctors and like weird outfits performing life saving surgery on people. if I were Dr. Robbie. That's perfect fodder for that shit. if i were dr robbie i would go in there as pinhead you know just just the elaborate makeup you know the head and everything else is fine you know yeah you don't need you don't need anything you know your head to look normal that can be all fucked up yeah it's not going to get in the way of your hands no it's death scope who needs that
01:28:05
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Langdon should have like a superhero costume on and he has to rip out through the spandex, like kind of like Superman does, where he just like takes it off to like you perform surgery. Yeah.
01:28:17
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I feel like like now would Santos is like comes in a fursuit. Yep. Yep. Right. you like she yeah she start she's like decides She's like, fuck it. All right. That one furry recommended it to me. Fuck it.
01:28:32
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I was going to say like Mel Mel gives me the impression that she would wear like one of those, you know, like inflatable costumes that have the motor in the back of them. Right. Like no and inflatable dino.
01:28:43
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Yeah. A dino or like a penguin, you know, something like that. You know, what would McKay wear? The kids would be low-key. She would wear a Chucky. Dude, Chucky. That would be so good. Yeah.
01:28:58
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That would be the right answer. I haven't watched the Chucky show, but apparently she plays a younger version of her dad. There's like a flashback. Yeah, apparently she does. She plays the young... ver like him as a criminal, which is great. I wish I watched that much of the show. I watched like...
01:29:15
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Most are good amount of her first season. It was good. I just fell off of it. I need to watch all of them. I've only seen like the first two child's movies are great. The movies, the movies like child's play of the like the first three child's plays. The first one is the best. Mm hmm. But the second two are still fun. They have like their moments for sure. And then Bride of Chucky is great. And then Seed of Chucky is even better, in my opinion. fact, I would call Seed of Chucky the peak of the Chucky movies. And then the ones after that are a little aren't quite as good, but they're all right. They're not bad. In fact, she's think, of one, if not both of them.
01:29:58
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And she was good. i just the movies themselves where were maybe more like scaled back. Right. You know, made made a little puzzle one.
01:30:10
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Oh, the remake. hmm. I forget if I saw that. I watched the Red Letter Media video on it where they talk about the whole plot, and that's why I probably can't remember if i actually watched it or not.
01:30:21
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I will go to bat for it. It's actually not half bad. It's a pretty decent. OK, OK. But instead of like magic, it's like a malfunctioning AI, right? That goes evil. Yeah. And it's Mark Campbell. Right. OK. Right. Not even the same voice. you know, like there's issues there. But like Aubrey Plaza is a single mom in that way. She's like surprisingly well suited for that role. and ah And oh, I mean, yeah, she's she's super funny. I can totally see her working and then something like that.
01:30:48
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hmm. And playing well off a kid. Yeah. Yeah, she does. I want it.
01:30:55
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Yeah, no. Yeah, got I got to check it out. could Catch up. I just like that, like how many horror franchises can say that, I mean, besides the remake where it's like one, it's not the same director, but it's like the same writer who's like, it's like, oh, this is all from one one guy's twisted vision, the twisted mind.
01:31:12
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Yeah. Somebody still retain control there. Yeah. What's his name? God damn it's on my tongue. Mr. Child's play.
01:31:24
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Yeah. Maybe not a great name, but. yeah Don Mancini. Don Mancini. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Yeah. The pit.
01:31:36
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The pit. Okay, so... Oh, yeah, also... Oh. No, sorry. What were you saying? I was about to say something completely non-Pit related, but something that that we've been talking about each week yeah that I've been on.
01:31:48
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a little mode turn update. Oh, we gotta talk, yes. yeah Okay, if we're ready for that, we're done with Pit... Yeah. Yes. but Before we continue, though, I will say this to Doug specifically. So, Doug, I checked and like before I give you the Vimeo link, because I know you want to start the Moturn binge as well. Right. Yes. I would suggest you go to to be first. Right. Because to be has ah Freaky Farley.
01:32:12
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It has ah Monsters in Manch Vegas. OK. And it has. ah don't let the river be sketchy right which i'd say like those are the first three movies you should watch anyways right okay so like if you want to start the moturn binge do it now because i need to find my password for the vimeo okay yeah no worries ill i'll i'll start with the first i was probably gonna go in order or in that order i my first no turn was magic spot which i i was out of order but had such a great time I had such a great time with just magic spot that it like was the thing that convinced me to just go through the whole catalog. So, you know, that's another good entry point to you, I think. so So just on the update front, like what movies? Oh, yes. Have you seen?
01:32:57
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Yes. So at this point now, I've seen quite a few. In fact, the ones that i haven't. So the ones that I the next one I want to watch is Sammy.
01:33:10
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Sammy Sammy don't know if I've seen that one it's 2002 it's like one of the druid ones but it has like a specific plot that just seemed really fun where so you've been even watching the druid movies I haven't done no I haven't gone that's like that would be the only druid movie I think that that that I would have watched I don't think freaky farly that's its own thing so That's like the delineation, right? Yeah. Pre Freaky Farley, it's like three or four Druid movies. Yeah. But Sammy just seems like because it's like it's like his he plays like a dude that like hits his head and is convinced he's a totally different person or something. Like, it just seems like a funny idea for a movie. and I'm like, I don't care. It's a second film in the four out of the four or whatever. i don't think it's going to, you know, matter all that much. But I'll I'll get to them. But then then I want to watch some.
01:34:03
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From like the newer I still got to watch Metal Disactor Maniac. Amazing movie. Hilarious. Yeah. Because that one's like his longest. It's like his longest movie. It's like 108 minutes, right?
01:34:18
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I don't think it's 108 minutes. I think it's longer than that. 148 IMDb says. Yeah, that's what I was saying in IMDb. It was an hour 48 or a hundred. Oh, I thought you said an hour and eight. That was my fault. Oh, no, no, no, no. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah, an hour 48, 108 minutes, which I think is like their longest film.
01:34:39
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I think so as well. And it's also like a really funny, sly comedy. Right. And and I won't spoil anything about it, but it's a it's a movie about people who are going on sabbatical. So like it's it's really funny.
01:34:54
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Oh, yeah. But but you you've you've said some movies that you haven't seen. You know, I know that you've seen Local Legends, which is just I watch Local Legends and then I watch Local Legends Bloodbath, which I you did. Oh,
01:35:05
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Yeah, I had a great time with that. It just was so good because it's like it's like the most sort of like behind the curtain kind of movie, you know, where it's like he's playing the the like version of, you know, like the this like total narcissistic, like he loves himself and his work and like.
01:35:28
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The whole reason it was like he had directed local legends was because Charlie took his name off of it. And then they're whole having like a whole that whole thing was so good. the God, I don't want to say too much because because Doug hasn't seen seen it. won't. Yes.
01:35:44
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ah in In a vague sense, right? Like local legends, bloodbath, which which I did see like ah ah in a theatrical sense. I saw it when it premiered in Toronto and it was ah one of those movies where um so it's it's it's not quite a condemnation of his audience, but it's almost like him rectifying with what he's built. Right. Yeah. It's like it's like a very honest kind of like it's like the pessimistic sort of view of his career and like how it's made him as a person.
01:36:13
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But it's it's really funny and well done. ah You know, it it goes about in a very entertaining way. And it's so in stark contrast with local legends, which feels like this, like, you know, here is my life, you know, and here are the weird things that I do. Kind of reminded me almost it like his take on like a Seinfeld or Kerb almost. Oh, that sounds good.
01:36:35
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Because like there's a girl who's like got a crush on him and he's got no interest, but he's trying to navigate through this like awkward dynamic that's been created between the two of them. But then Bloodbath, it turns out that that was a whole fabrication that he's created based on this like totally awkward real life relationship he had with woman where he was the one he was like being the weirdo.
01:36:58
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It's like it's so it's so good. It's crazy that he's like using his own wife in that way to write like where she's like having enough. Like, I don't want to say him I don't. Yeah, I don't want to put it out there. I'm sorry. i got to stop myself. She's so game for all this stuff that that he that he does in his films. It's great.
01:37:15
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And I kind of love to see like a legitimate like documentary about ah about them and like their process and everything. You know, yes, absolutely. I'll like the legends is is great. like I love it. But also at the same time, I really would be interested to just see like what their deal is, you know, like what their whole, you know, what's the process, you know?
01:37:34
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Yeah, their process. ah But so with the ah what what you've noticed with like, you know, local legends bloodbath and you said that you saw her she got murdered. One thing I will point out now that you've seen these films is that like he will do these like dark versions of these other films. Yeah, it's almost like they're like alternate sequels where it's like they they don't necessarily exist within the same timeline of the first films they built off of them. But it's not entirely. I kind of felt that way with Evil Puddle.
01:38:08
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Yes, that's that's like almost like an evolution of ah River Beast in a way. Right. But also Magic Spot, because it's like a magic rock or, you know, they they step on the rock and magic spot and then they go into, you know, they they both films have like a the beyond, but the beyond is like different.
01:38:26
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the The one thing you should know, Doug, is that all of these movies have like incredibly complex lore like they're like each of them will have like really like these movies are mostly short, like 90 minutes, but like long portions of them will just be devoted to people explaining like the intricate plot mechanics. And you're like, this is fascinating. Like, like, like, yeah, but it's also kind of fun because like similar ideas seem to kind of crop up.
01:38:51
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Yeah. Like there's an internal logic. dirt and kitty litter sort of being used as like multi-purpose things. love that. You know, its just the way that like, you you know, take a rock and it becomes, and you know, like a item of like magic powers. And, you know, he's able to like really mythologize like just the most mundane, silly stuff.
01:39:18
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ah It's all in just like his environment, right? It's just yeah this tree right here has this magical power and this thing will do whatever. Right. Like, I'm just using it as an example, right? This water is evil. This puddle is evil.
01:39:33
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and And that movie is so complex and like yeah how many characters there are. Yeah, it's like a ton of characters in that one. Yeah. includ Including, including
01:39:47
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Me familiar face and and and this chat, maybe. Oh, yeah. Briefly. I'm very briefly in Evil Puddle and there you could see me twice in the film, but I am one the last frames. Nice little close up shot. Yeah.
01:40:03
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And honestly, I'm shocked because I'm not seeing you. Yeah, no, I don't think I have Rolo Tony on IMDb, unfortunately. And I'm fine with uncredited. No, I was looking up your actual. I didn't see your name. They should have credited. I don't think they credited you even during the end credits, I don't think. don't think they had a list of all the people at the concert. They should have done that.
01:40:26
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What was it? Moturn Extravaganza. mo like Yeah. do Do you know what that is even? Is it that's like the the the like in person kind of festival thing that that he does?
01:40:41
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Yeah, so it's it's really like going to that was crazy because it's like a three day experience. It's not just like one day. And it's the first day is was a screening. It was a screening for Slingshot Cops. And they had like everybody who had had been in the films was there in attendance. Like like because they're all friends with Matt Farley and they love these movies. And like they think about every single like reoccurring actor who is in these movies, like even like. ke Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of them. they yeah They were all there. they got Those two British guys. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Are they Australian are they British? They're British. I'm bad. i think they're British. Yeah. british Yeah. I'm pretty so. Yeah. I forget that one guy, but he's like balding with the brown hair, like sideburns like that guys are hilarious, like a like a really good guy. But yeah, they're they're like, ah yeah, no. And then the second day was a five hour concert.
01:41:36
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That concert was five hours long. And yeah I can believe it. He's got a ton of music. literally like you just always making songs and they're all novelty like and again I mean Bloodbath even funnier to watch because it's like what you would think like you know living with someone like singing about poop every day like Well, in the first movie, right? Like, it's like, oh, look at how charming it is, right? Like he's found a way to, you know, you know, do what he loves. And then the bloodbath, it's like it's killing him. It's it's destroying him and his life. And it's really interesting. um Yeah, no, there's so many more. I can't wait for you to see like Boston Johnny Boston. Oh, OK. So, so, so actually, I should continue. I saw Boston Johnny. Excellent. I did watch that one. That one was like nutty as hell. Just that character felt like a fucking like
01:42:29
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cross between like Tim Heidecker and God. So God, Adam Sandler. like Yes. 100%. It felt like you as you know, like ah you put like a Tim Heidecker character and an Adam Sandler character in a blender and you get Boston Johnny.
01:42:45
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I love that his nemesis in that movie is Toronto's own Will Sloan. Yeah, it's just like the named after the the film critic. Will see yeah, just like the great like the the like most specific like reference. But he's also a fan. So I guess that's how it all started.
01:43:01
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Will Sloan, because it doesn't need to be pointed out like Will Sloan and Justin DeClu from the important cinema club here in Toronto, they have been massive. It's like they've boosted the signal of the Motörn films for years now. Right. So I felt like a little like homage almost like, you know, like a little, little thank you, like a little like, you know, like ah something nice little reference.
01:43:22
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On that note, like Will Sloan is going to be in the next movie, too. So it's like, like, it's very clearly. like So what's and is the next movie evil spot? Yes, they're shooting evil spot right now.
01:43:32
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I can't wait. I cannot fucking wait. It's it's like all of these movies are so wonderful, right? Yeah, I wish I wish they could. I'm assuming they're all non-union.
01:43:46
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Like it's it's literally like they shoot them on the weekends. Yeah. Honestly, I want to know if you want to know how they make these movies and this is a plug for the Motörn method. Right. Read that book. Right. Like it's it's a very easy to thumb through. I've got sitting around here somewhere. I've read it. I got I got to finish notes from underground. I'm reading that much lighter short film.
01:44:11
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but But yeah. Fair enough. yeah I got to read that to you, though. that that That's probably the proper peek behind the curtain that, you know, instead of like local legends or whatever. it's It's a really interesting book because it's not really that. Like every page, right, is like a like a big typeface paragraph. Right. And it's just like a couple of sentences. And it's just like Matt Farley's own like.
01:44:37
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Here are the ways to keep motivated and be creative, and you're the exact ways to do it. It's like it's a very no nonsense kind of film book, and it's incredibly readable and it's very easy to like you could like I could see somebody putting a bunch of sticky notes in there for like the ones that stuck out to them the most. It's a very easy, quick read.
01:44:58
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That's that's nice. Mm hmm. low to Yes. OK, so then I've seen so I've seen i'll just let me look through Farley's IMDb just to make sure because I did watch a bunch, as you can tell.
01:45:14
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ah Did you see her? She got married because. Yes, so i watched her. She got married. And that was a little that was actually a little surprising because, you know, a little like much more like low key or more like. Yes. Not as like overtly funny. ah But then also the the ending, I just was like I kept because the way that I heard you got murdered starts with the recap. It's a little bit, you know, the way that it's edited, it's a little deceptive. If you hadn't seen her, she got married because like it is. I just assumed.
01:45:47
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Sorry, Doug. i just assumed the mailman, you know, was a murderer. And so then I watched her. She got married and i was like oh, wait, OK, because then obviously, you know, you watch her. She got murdered. There's the bit where the ghost and she's like, you murdered me. But he still says to some degree, like, yeah, but I saw after what he did, I had to kill him or whatever. I was like, OK, but then the movie's different. Then it actually pans out differently. And I was like, oh, all right.
01:46:16
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Neat. You know, it doesn't matter which order watched it in there, it's still something that, you know, a little kind of surprise or a little subversion. ah That that heard she got murdered is so like, like similar to local legend. Legends bloodbath is so bleak. It is so like, like despondent. And it's this idea like, again, it's another way where Matt Farley is like looking at himself as like a version of himself that's different, right? Like he's almost like the sold out version, but even not like super successful. You can't even imagine that idea for himself. And the. one sequence when he's working with the mailman and he's singing her, she got married like in that live audience is amazing. Like that's like one of my favorite moments of their entire filmography. That's just chills in my spine thinking about it, you know, love it.
01:47:07
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Yeah. and then, yeah, Evil Puddle. I said that Boston John, he said that heard you got murdered. Magic spot. Heard you got married. Slingshot cops. Did I mention slingshot cops last week? brought it up briefly, but I don't think you talked about it. Slingshot cops is a barrel of monkeys. A lot of fun. Yeah, that was a fun one. i can't. I can't. Sensefoot is just, you Yes. Sensefoot.
01:47:30
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One of probably the craziest Kevin McGee character ever, right? Yeah. Oh, my God. Just the purple foot. Just having to film like the foot against people's like noses and eyes and stuff. Yeah. to been Jared, let's explain it to Doug real quick. Tell tell him who Purple Foot is. This is not. So so Slingshot Cops, just to backpedal a little bit. Slingshot Cops is about as a cop buddy cop movie where they use slingshots. They don't use guns.
01:48:01
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And the bad guy is is this evil supernatural being called Sensefoot who can at will make his foot turn purple. And then once he puts his foot on any part of your body, it will then take whatever s sense that is associated with that part of the body. So if he puts his foot up against your mouth, you will not be able to speak.
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01:48:28
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If he puts his foot up against your nose, you won't be able to smell.
01:48:32
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he puts his foot up against your eyes, you won't be able to see. If he puts his foot up against your ears, you won't be able to hear. But worst of all, worst of all, if he puts his foot up against your bare foot,
01:48:44
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You die. That's it. whoa Yeah. This movie is fucking awesome. It's it's it's a fucking riot. It's a great movie. So yeah. And that's for it.
01:48:56
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Don't even get me started on on the evil puddle from Evil Puddle and the destruction that that causes. Man, I love I love an evil puddle, how there's like so like we've talked about the cast already, but it's like the fact that it's going from like guys in a pizza parlor to like a bunch of kids, you know, like it's like old. Yeah, like everybody is getting is getting exposed to the evil puddle.
01:49:20
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It's like a whole community. It does feel like he's leveling up It's his biggest. It's got to be his biggest like cast. You haven't seen Metal Detector Maniac, but I'm assuming Evil Puddle has got a bigger cast than Metal Detector Maniac.
01:49:34
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Metal Detector Maniac is like somewhere between her. She got married and her. She got murdered. Cool. I mean, it's it's similar. Like, it's like a suspicious dude and people are like, what's up with him?
01:49:45
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Kind of Yeah. hot Right. Yeah. So like without spoiling too much about the movie, it's these two guys who go on sabbatical and and they're making their music teachers at a college. And it's the idea is that they want to take this time off so they can write an album. And then like they're having trouble coming up with an idea for an album. And then they see this metal detector maniac and they start coming up with this backstory for him. And like it's it spirals out from there. Right. It's one of those. Yeah, that sounds fun
01:50:17
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it's It's very Coen Brothers. OK, yeah, you saw me. thought he needed needed to. But but you are. Well, well, I don't even need to sell you on them. I keep on seeing that Matt Farley is loving your binge through to like he like every time you post about it, he's like, Jared Gilman is, you know, watching both terms.
01:50:38
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Yeah. Also, the other thing, too, that I discovered um because, you know, I watched Local Legends and he mentions his me is his very storied music career and he mentions how he has songs about all the celebrities.
01:50:55
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He's got songs about all the directors. So I like looked it up and yeah, he's got a song about Wes Anderson. whoa And he like specifically mentions Moonrise like a bunch of times in the song because he wrote that album, I guess, in like 2012. So he had just seen it. So he had just seen And he kind of does a little dig at it, which is really funny. It's like Moon and Red's Kingdom. It's a very fun, cute movie, but love Wes Anderson. He's a genius, genius director. I love him. And then at the very end of the song, he's like, that's Life Aquatic movie. I really didn't get that one. Darjeeling Limited. Oh, no, not that one. And I'm in Red's Kingdom. That was a cute movie. But, you know, with Wes Anderson, you really expect much more from that guy. You know, much more than just a little cute movie. Something like that. like, oh, thanks, thanks, thanks, Matt.
01:51:47
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There are so many reasons. There are so many great Matt Farley albums. um Yeah, can only imagine. Have you like done the dig on like what like conceptually some of these things are? Because like there are some of them that have like, you know, like he does concept albums. Did you know that?
01:52:08
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Well, I mean, like, I know, like, you know all the songs about celebrities pooping and farting and like, you know, the you can submit your name and I'll write a song all about you or whatever. Like, you know, it's just.
01:52:23
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tries to like think of every possible search term, like base search term, and then he makes a song out of it just to like, you know, cheat the algorithm of it. Because I'm seeing here it and I'm like each song he makes like a few bucks off of it because he does like tens of thousands of songs. It's like he makes enough money that way, which is just, like, amazing.
01:52:45
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yeah That's awesome. Just, like, insane, like, work ethic just to be able to do that. Because it's just that long, that consistently... It says he has over 25,000. And the songs are, like, not that bad. Like, you know, it's like there's there's a sense of, like, musicianship to him that, like, you know, like, he knows what he's doing. He knows how to jam, you know? Like, he's, like, engaging to listen to even if he's singing about, like, Scarlett Johansson, like, pooping or whatever. It's like, you know, like, he makes a good hook out of it.
01:53:21
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what What I love about him is that he has like a million different like artists, like he calls himself different things across. Like, it's not just Matt Farley. Oh, yeah, that's it. It's like a bunch of different bands, a bunch different like projects, you know, its like different names for different things. It's it's it's very extensive. It's like he's devoted his whole life to this stuff. It's really impressive. And it also it's just that thing of like all of us look at everyone else on this planet stuck on our fucking phones doing nothing. Meanwhile, this guy is out there making 100 like 50 songs a day.
01:53:56
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yeah You know, like what the fuck? He's got one of my favorite like artist name and album title, right? it The toilet bowl cleaners never going to flush again. Yeah.
01:54:11
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great You know, there's one album I'm trying to find. i know it's somewhere. I'm just forgetting the name of the artist. But there's this one concept album that he did, because obviously all of these like he'll create these different artists names and he'll be like, this artist name is for all of the animal songs I do. And this artist name Yeah, for all of the places songs that I do. And one of the concept albums that he made was like he was supposed to be the guy who sang about like animals. But then somebody yeah one of the other artists took their job. And then the whole album is like he's gone rogue and he's like flashing out at Motorn Media and and like their songs. Oh, yeah actually, I know exactly what I need to look up because I remember the name of the song.
01:54:57
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ah So, yeah, he was like Red Letter Media hasn't like covered Motern. Right. It just makes sense. Right. like Yeah. OK, yeah. So it's OK. So he's he played. This is from the artist called The Singing Animal Lover. um and And he has many songs like Matt Farley is a musical spammer con man.
01:55:23
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And the album is from It's Time for People to Know the Truth. The first the first title song is Matt Farley is a thief and a liar and a jerk. And then it goes on to have things like, um let's see.
01:55:40
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ah Birds are better than people. Kelsey. Squirrel is my friend. I get no phone calls detaching from humanity. I like living in a cave. my Mom and dad are so disappointed in me.
01:55:55
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Yes, yes, this is this is a 33 song album of this concept.
01:56:09
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I'm probably going to just watch it on video or or camp. I don't know though the the stuff with the director. I don't I kind of don't want to give him money. That is fair. That is fair.
01:56:24
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Did you guys remember what I brought up about Borg lead? Like, I'm not sure if you were there for this cover. I think I brought it up to you, Doug. ah Like my dream some scenario. You did. a Yeah, ah fucking of room on Twitter or whatever. I did a Twitter space and for on Dream Scenario when it came out and Christopher Borgley joined it. And it was one of those situations where it's like, oh, my God, like, I can't believe like the director of the film and also like other people from the film joined it it as well. Like it was a it was kind a moment. That's cool.
01:56:53
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And it was cool at that time. yeah You know, free of that context. I was like, OK, like and I had like a mini interview with him at that moment. Right. It was a cool thing. But, you know, with all that stuff that did come out, you know, it's just one of those things not even like it's it's almost kind of personal for me at that point, you know, where it's like I feel like, oh, you know, like I talk to you, you know. But like, OK, so I'm trying to just remember it was like an he wrote like a creepy essay back in 2012. In wherever he's from, I forget which country. Norway. Norway, the age of consent in Norway is 16. And what he did was he wrote an essay about why it was OK that he had dated a 16 year old and why dating a 16 year old was like some kind of like great experience in his life. And in the essay, he's talking about like, oh, the people in my life were like, you shouldn't do this, Borghli. It's gross, Borghli, Borghli. Stop doing that. And he's like, no, I had to because I looked up to my favorites, Woody Allen, like a name drop set.
01:57:58
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I mean, this sounds just like one of the characters in the drama, honestly. It's the kind of thing where, like, I yeah, it sucks that he wrote that essay and that he had that mindset. What's happened in the time since? Well, like, I will just also before we move on, before we know of like like evidence corroborating this, where there are like pictures on this girl's Instagram, you know, of him dating her. And there's like i like all say is that he admitted to it.
01:58:29
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He did it. That's the end of the story. You know, the the country. Yeah, I guess it's the kind of thing where it's like you hope that like maybe in the last 10 years he's had a new sort of like perspective on it and he wouldn't defend it the way that he did back in 2012.
01:58:44
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But he also very well. It also makes me look at stuff in Dream Scenario a little differently about like the cancel culture stuff in that in that store. I'm like, oh, is it like him thinking about like, oh, no, they're canceled me for a dating 16 year old. Right.
01:59:02
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But again, I don't know. I guess it's just like with the drama, it was like it was everything that was in it was very like interesting. It was well done. it looks interesting. Yeah, it's it sucks it that it has this attached to it because like I like it. Look, I love those actors. I'd seen them together. It seems like a really cool pairing. Someone even compared Robert Pattinson's performance to Charles Grodin in the Heartbreak Kid. That's one of my favorite movies of all time. Wow. I still got to see the heartbreak kid, but I think I can kind of like, yeah, because he's like, it's sort of a thing of like he.
01:59:40
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Yeah, because you're sort of teetering between like, not really, you're kind of like, dude, get over it. But also it's like, oh, I kind of get why, you know, he's like as upset as he as he is about it. But also it's like, get over it But it's also the thing to where it's the the initial and the inciting conversation. you know, it's kind of kind of fascinating because it's like the one one one character who who's more accusatory. She actually did something that's like far worse than what anyone else in the table really did. And then like. Like
02:00:18
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um Zendaya, zenaia like there was really one thing that she should have said that she didn't say that it's one of those things where it's ah, she just said that she just emphasized this. Then the whole movie maybe you could have coach on a little, a little better maybe. but like the other characters seemed like she had an ax to grind. So maybe it was, an you know, a unwinnable battle or whatever, but like,
02:00:45
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But yeah, it was a really it was a really well done movie. Shame that the director is, I guess, a bit of a creep. Yeah. Or the very least was definitely a creep before and up through 2012.
02:01:01
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It's just one like on on Doug's note, it's like it kind of just sours it. And I probably like I still want to watch the drama because like you've got great performers in it. Right. it it And I do want more like adult dramedy filmmakers, you know, like that's a thing really lacking right now. Right. So to have like somebody who was pretty promising in my eyes with dream scenario, I thought the dream scenario. I love dream scenario. Yeah. Yeah. to To, you know, have that come out, it it really does put a damper in my note. But also I'm trusting what you're saying, Jared. You know, I think that it will it will be a movie that i check out, but, you know, just not right now, you know.
02:01:45
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Yeah, I guess it's also the thing, too. It's like, I guess, you know, you hope there aren't anyone else that haven't, you know, that of course. If there's anyone else who hasn't like spoken out about their experiences with him. Because that's just what he's published. Like that was something he wrote. So I'm like, yeah, we know.
02:02:05
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Yeah. the Morgan Spurlock, right? Wait, what did Morgan Sparks do again? i Oh, you didn't you guys didn't know that? more Yeah, got it. I mean, were there multiple controversies with Yeah, a little bit. No, no, Doug, what he did.
02:02:19
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There was, but there was a period where he did come out where he was. He did kind of like misuse. I committed sexual assault. Because he felt bad. guilty for my sexual assault. He was trying to like, he was trying to like, he was doing a public confession with I think.
02:02:35
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Because if he was like, he felt really guilty. And it was like now, you know, me too is a big thing. And he was like seeing all these big dudes getting canceled. And he was like, oh, shit, I got skeletons. Here we go.
02:02:47
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kind of pulled like a Macklemore when like he won the Grammy instead of Kendrick Lamar. And then he posted the tweet. Right. Like that. Like, but worse than that. Right. Because he didn't even like send a message to his victims. You know, he just kind of like put it up on a fucking blog or whatever. And it it was gross. Right. And, you know.
02:03:06
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Hey, Morgan Spurlock's dead, you know, evil has been defeated. Yeah. since You know, we can we can talk about him this way. But, you know, at the same time, he really made a bad decision. i went to I went to had a classmate in middle school who he was like family friends with that. Oh, geez. for a lot Weird. Yeah.
02:03:24
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yeah I never had anything, you know, seemed like a chill uncle kind of dude from the little things I heard from from my classmate when I was in middle school.
02:03:38
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I don't know. I will admit that I. But but I guess it's also it's interesting because it's like he he had an alcohol issue and then, you know, supersize me. It's like the big like takeaway it was like, ah if I if you eat McDonald's every day for a month, you're going to have a liver of an alcoholic. He did have that because of the drink. No. Yeah.
02:03:59
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Which means that it's OK to eat McDonald's. Yeah. McDonald's. indicated Totally fine. I had McDonald's every day. So did White's Kid You Know just get lucky? Or did Trevor Moore know before everyone knew that, that he was an alcoholic? Because that's the White's Kid You Know sketch where it's just like, I'm going to drink whiskey every day instead of meals. And then so I'm like, did they do that after everyone Because I feel like that that sketch was before there was like public knowledge. So I'm like, is Trevor Moore just psychic? Was he psychic?
02:04:33
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They had a weird, you know, kind of like finger on the pulse. That's why they killed him. That kind of thing. You knew too much. Got too close. And that's why... I love that, like they can just like upload their sketches with like new titles that like respond to the. Yeah. liness Like, are we invading Iran today? Perfectly worked for the sketch.
02:04:53
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Yeah. Doug, your conspiracy it makes a lot of sense because what they did was they paid Zack Greger off, right? They're just like Zack Greger. You know, you keep your mouth shut up about this conspiracy. We'll make you a great horror. We'll give you Resident Evil. You want Resident Evil? Yeah. Two words. Resident Evil. want a new Fury Road, but that sounds so good. I cannot wait.
02:05:14
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Yeah, no, I can't. I mean, there's fans like, oh, why is it even called Resident Evil if it's not going to be like the like games exist? Go play them. and And also the games have nonsense stories. I love those games, but the stories in the games are like, make these into movies.
02:05:31
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Yeah, like, I don't know. and my My favorite are like the the armchair film critics who are just like, well, what is this mean? You know, like they're just like, you know, I I'll believe it when I see it. That's a Kriker hack, you know, weapons sucked anyways. And I'm just like, ain't talked about idiot. Like it just like that. Like ah he's he's doing interesting things. He's made two great movies. I bet this Yeah.
02:05:55
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everyone's got their own ideas of what a good movie is in their heads. And if if the thing they're watching doesn't meet it, it's bad. And then you suck for like, yeah, I had a pretty sobering conversation earlier today. I'll talk about off mic, but it was like one of those things where it was like reminded of that kind of, ah you know, discussion, you know, this idea where it's like, we got to hold them accountable for like the mistakes they made in filmmaking. I just think it's such a gross way of approaching the medium. I just think that it is. You know?
02:06:27
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Yeah. If you're going to hold anyone accountable, hold them accountable for the things they do in real life. Right. Exactly that, Jer. It's like if you don't like the movie, just you don't like them. That's fine. like You're allowed to not like every anything. You have to like make it like um um a moral stand. Oh, I forgot. Paul Walter Hauser is going to be in the Resident Evil. This is going movie of the year. think Griffin Newman. Griffin Newman's supposed to be in it. Zach Cherry is going to be in it, too.
02:06:54
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Oh, yeah. What? i I just met Griffin. I mean, I could ask him about that. but And then um like, do you do you guys know like subation that podcast like on YouTube or at all or no? I'm not familiar. Vaguely. I'm a big fan because I remember like spill dot com and that's a whole thing to get into. But Corey Coleman is friends with Zack Greger and like he's also like had flown out to the set as well. So there's a chance that he was in it as well.
02:07:27
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yeah he's he's he's hiring all the podcasters it's really funny hey we're podcasters Zach put us in the movie Zach come on the show yeah I mean that would be your dream I've I've I mean I've I've been into him since yeah wise kids you know days like that's I'm a huge fan absolutely um I was late. i kind of I became aware only when he made Barbarian.
02:07:53
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and missed I missed quite as kids, you know, when it was actually happening. or Actually, no, you know what? It was when Trevor Moore passed away. That's when I became aware. And then, ah because then yeah, because Trevor passed away. It was like Barbarian and that happened very close. Barbarian was in production when Trevor passed away, I think. So, yeah, then that was probably around when I i became aware of them.
02:08:19
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and like was watching their sketches. I still have to watch his first movie, Miss March. Oh, yeah. A classic. yeah Unfortunately, I have seen that movie. It's not good.
02:08:30
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I watched the Civil War on drugs. That was a kind of Civil War on drugs. That was fun. They say we're seceding. Seceding at what? funnier when you're on drugs. Do you think that they bumped into Noah Wiley's descendant there?
02:08:47
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Bro!
02:08:52
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Hey, at least at least he fought for something. Yeah. At least he stood on a specific ground. Don't question me on which grounds.
02:09:04
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Oh, yeah. An ancestor. Oh, yeah. You said the sandwich. So you took me a second. Sorry, you said no. I went the opposite direction. Yeah, I went the opposite direction. A kid in the future who is really into the Confederacy for whatever reason. And I'm holding him accountable. It's like an X-Men family tree. Like how Cyclops' son is also older than him. Or something like that.
02:09:32
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Yeah, it's like weird. There's like an old like guy in a bar and it's like, that's her son. It's like, what?
02:09:42
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So anyway, the the pit we bit I think we I think we've said everything about that. I mean, any crazy predictions you guys want to make before next week or?
02:09:55
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i Uh,
02:09:59
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think I think that I think that,
02:10:14
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There will be another hour of the pit. That's bold because I don't know. It might not. What if it's a half hour? There might even be two hours. Might even be two. I can't say what's going to happen on the next episode, but I think on the final episode, I think I know what's going to happen, which is we're going to, you know, get Forrest Whitaker. He's going to walk in front of the screen and he's going to talk about how we we're in the Twilight Zone this entire time. That's that's what we're heading towards. That sounds good. Yeah.
02:10:42
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I think they're going to to set off. I think they're going to have to set off a nuke in order to travel back to the the present because they're stuck in the the past or like the 70s or something. And then right energy from the nuke.
02:10:56
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That explosion for that will also create an alternate timeline, which is is it limbo? People will think that it's like, oh, they were in limbo the whole time. No, no. They made another timeline. Idiot. Watch the show. Yeah.
02:11:09
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This season will end with Robbie going, we have to go back. Jack, also a doctor. Or just it ends with them going through the the wormhole and they get at the other other side. They're in front of Laura Palmer's house. They check in. What year it? It's two random people. And then she's like, what ear is it? And then Laura Palmer screams. and then Final frame black David Lynch ever directed in a TV series. Rest in peace.
02:11:41
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well are you What about the short with the monkey? I didn't see that one, but is that the final? We're not counting that? Okay. No, no, no. It was fun. i had fun with it. I had fun with it was, you know, he ended on a goo. He ended on a silly one. Let him. It's David. You can end on a silly is just him being like, i am talking to a monkey and the monkey is just like, you know, saying things back. It's just Yeah, it's it's what he said. It sounds fun. I don't know. It's.
02:12:09
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Yeah, like it's like it's like the i you I monkey you murdered someone and the monkey runs off and that's a it. It's for some reason.
02:12:22
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Yeah, I mean, my my sense of humor overlaps with his a lot because there's stuff that people. Yeah, it was funny. There's stuff in the return that people are like, I don't know about the Dougie stuff. I'm like, the Dougie stuff so funny. Like, you like.
02:12:36
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No, there's yeah, that was great. Return is like a dark comedy. You know, like I don't trust those people. I don't trust the people who don't like Scott. Scott Ackerman says when he watches the return, he skips all the Dougie stuff.
02:12:52
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Oh, fans. but Best friendship with Scott Ackerman ended. Adam Scott is my new friend. Yeah. Comedy bang bang.
02:13:03
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More like comedy fuck you.
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02:13:06
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but More like comedy wet fart wet fart. Yeah. Shots fired.
02:13:15
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ah and ah any Any plugs? Anyone want to plug anything before we sign off? Jared, you go first. Uh... you can continue to follow me on Twitter.
02:13:29
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Cast me in something. if you're If you're a casting director and you're listening to this, please cast me in something. If you're a director you're listening to this, I'm still acting. I'm still doing things. I'm doing a movie later this year. I did a movie last year.
02:13:43
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i'm doing things. i got things. But I'm also, you know, open. I've got an open schedule. Please. Reach out to my manager or through Twitter DMs, whatever.
02:13:58
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my my manager is... You can reach her. Fuck it. Reach my manager at JessicaLauren at DMantAlent.com. There it is. There. That's the plug. If you want...
02:14:11
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I need to offer up my services as an as an actor. Of course. Right. That's how you do it. I want to advocate advocate for you as well. Right. Because like the audience at home can't you know see this. But every time Jared has said something on this podcast, he's pantomimed it. So like, I just want you guys to know that like Jared's a really committed person. Oh, yeah, I'm doing like a whole performance right now. It's like I'm i'm on my feet.
02:14:35
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i got props. I got like a curtain to just a whole production. And if you want to see it, you got to hire. it Right. You know, just getting it. Yeah. no No, absolutely. Thank you again for coming on, Jared. Thank you, man. um want to Thank you for having Love having you. On the plugs front, I do want to ah plug a couple of things, like just quickly. Today was the day I recorded the Larry Fezzett interview. Yes. Oh, yeah. saw you posting about that. That was so how it had it go. Like, I guess we can keep this in if you want, Doug, you can cut it out if you want. keep it The interview was amazing. ah We like so. So yeah in in film, we trust like we got on like 30 minutes early just to kind of like, you know, like, oh, how are we going to approach this all and stuff? And then Larry comes on and then like we talked off mic for 30 minutes just about politics. And it was hilarious. And it was like there there were some things that I wish that I could like.
02:15:37
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take from that and bring them on the podcast. there There was one moment where he talked about how like when he was shooting beneath ah the movie that I love that's like very maligned. It was like right at the same time as like Facebook and Twitter was becoming a big thing. And he was talking about how on set it was like an inside joke where they were like, like, you know, like the idea that like was so new and they were saying that as vocally and And he was talking about his distaste for liking things, right? Because he was like, how ridiculous is the idea of liking something right for thing for for all things across all platforms like he was going and he's like, OK, OK, so just like remember this, right?
02:16:16
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Tom Noonan just died, right? And somebody posts Tom Noonan died. Like there's something wrong with that. Yeah, no, it's all. It's like, yeah, it's yeah. Anytime there's something tragic or whatever, it always feels so weird to like favorite or like it or whatever.
02:16:32
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you know, it's like, yeah. I guess that's also why, like on Facebook, there's, you know, yeah you have options. You know, you can it doesn't always feel like can be a heart, can be a sad face, could be a hug emoji. It could be if you sound saucy. The devil. Twitter needs to get. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Twitter, they they were saying they're going to do a dislike. But I've seen that show up on my app, but it doesn't it doesn't.
02:16:57
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Oh my god. I don't know if it's the beta testing it, but if you click it, because I just wanted to see what it did, it doesn't it doesn't seem like it's like a Reddit downvote. It just then brings up a link to like, do I want to report this post or reply? I'm like, no. OK. Or like request moderation, like, you know, like the note, if there's a note on a post or something or correction, you you you can request it through there. But like that shouldn't be through the downvote. Also, I don't want there to be downvote. I don't want Twitter to be Reddit. Like, let's not do that.
02:17:29
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Yeah, it's just like, yeah, it's annoying. Like, if we're talking about just from a baseline desire, right? People like the endorphin rush of Twitter. There's a lot of bop, bop, bop, instant dopamine to the brain. Look at this thing pop off. I did this. well You know, like, there's a lot of people measuring those metrics, right? And people like that feedback loop. The moment that you add a negative feedback loop to it is the moment that that people who still get those numbers also know that they're full of shit, because then you'll have the equal amounts of people who are just like, you know, calling them out for that. And the moment that that happens.
02:18:00
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Yeah, I guess what I will say is that there sort of exists that which is just like the the like the view to like ratio. You know, it's like if you get some bajillion views and like a few likes, you know, that that's like the equivalent of like everybody just like that. That's a also like people will do that if they're looking for that.
02:18:19
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Right. Like that that's not like on display. Right. Something like that. Yeah, I guess it's a bit different than like a dislike to like thing or whatever. Exactly. Yes.
02:18:29
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we went far away from pheasanton but i'll finish up what i was saying quickly uh so we started recording two and a half hour long record it was like one of those things where like you know it was an interview but then it was also just like you know freewheeling from one thing to another just based on how people were feeling the moment i felt like i could have covered a lot more but at the same time like he like really had a lot to bring to the table and it will be a great discussion you guys want to hear it it will be coming out this thursday i want to get the date right because i don't know which day this will be dropping it'll be the 9th of thursday you're listening to this if you're listening to this after the fact so you know it's there you know all that stuff is what i'm saying i don't know i'm covering bases um then when it comes to other stuff coming up i'll be on seeing faces and movies um be recording that on monday don't know when that will be dropping but look out for that um that's all i gotta plug
02:19:23
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all right no oh sorry i just i'm doing a voice on a friends animated web series called uh the ballad of vampire ranch cool nice uh i don't know when it's coming out but i think the instagram page is up so like if you if you look it up on instagram like vampire ranch or the ballad of vampire ranch or something i think there's an instagram page for it i'm du I got like a little voice in and I'm like a supporting character, but you know, we've had a couple of sessions already. content.
02:19:59
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Very quick little. It's like a it's like an Instagram Reels style, like minute to two minute long episode kind of kind of things. But it's with the goal of becoming like a bigger kind of series. If it, you know, gains track proof of concept for like a mini series kind of thing. It's Scott, like we we have a like a good podcast. cast, surprisingly,
02:20:24
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like i'm Julia Antonelli is in it. She was young. Oh, she was really good. um a yes I yes, actually i did a short film with her a couple of years ago. so we're we're kind of like buddies through that.
02:20:39
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But then also Laurie Hernandez, who is ah an Olympic gymnast and Dancing with the Stars winner.
02:20:52
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who is now she is on Broadway. She's making her debut on and Juliet, the Romeo and Juliet musical. um And she's got other, fred but like she's very like impressive. Prestigious. Yeah. That's it's a good resume.
02:21:10
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You know, just like kind of just kind of crazy little group of people. she My friend, my what my college friend rounded up for her animated web show. But but yeah, it's fun, fun scripts should be fun to be fun show. i think I've only seen like.
02:21:26
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And a very like a rough animatic of like the first episode, but it looks really good for, you know, like what what it is like you know, it's it's got like a fun little style to it.
02:21:38
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Sounds cool. Yeah. Can't to see it. That's a little plug. And then, yeah, just my plug is for a year. You follow the show at TheseGuysGotJuice. My personal Twitter is at DougFiles if you're so inclined. Also, me and Tony show up pretty regularly on Unsourced Wall Radio. I'm pretty sure tomorrow we're still on for the Children the Corn 3. I haven't heard any differently. I mean, it's Easter, but fuck it. I don't care. We'll talk about Children of the Corn 3.
02:22:11
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I've had a lot of family on vacation and I'm doing an early Sunday anyways. So it's, it's all good. in My books, it's a religious picture. So, you know, it's fitting that we're, that that's what we're doing. Uh, and full harvest. Yeah. and And then just stay tuned in here. More, more pit coverage. We got some cool movies we're going to be doing. and, uh, I'll just say we, we, was Cool, cool guess. And then also, I think, Tony, we both said that terms of other TV shows, I mean, this is even before the pit ends. Is it next weekend? Euphoria starts. We're going to doing Euphoria. You want to do Euphoria? Yeah, didn't you say you were down to do that? I'm down to do Euphoria. I'm down.
02:22:52
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I mean, it's going i mean it's gonna be dumb, but I'm going to watch it. I've never actually watched Euphoria. I've never I've missed that wave. I can see. The first season is actually good. and Yeah.
02:23:06
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I've heard the first season is like really well done and the second season just goes off the rails. And then this season is like living off the rails already. they They
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02:23:15
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shot. Yeah. 65 millimeter film like like the the thing that is interesting about Euphoria is that it's specifically in season two. Right. Like that was definitely the one where they went off the rails. It was largely because like Sam Levinson went like major auteur with it. Right. It was like he was like, ah we're going to go way long on set days. I'm going to come up with things improvisationally. We're to, you know, and and it definitely sounded like it was a hell on set. You know, if you were an actor on that, it probably sucked. That's people left the show. Yeah. um But at the same time, it did a lot of cool filmmaking tricks at points like it was cool. It's like, yeah, there were there were moments where you're like the first season is definitely more cohesive. But then the second one, it's like their own flourishes where you're like, holy shit, they just did that. And and like it's it's cool in that sense. But then it's a mess narratively. This third season, it has train wreck written all over it. Like I'm like, this is going to be a disaster. You know, it's now like ah a neo noir and like we're we're we're like, yeah, it's like it's like it's sort of it's a little it's a sort of Stranger Things ish where it's like start it off is this like kind of one thing and now it's just like blown up.
02:24:32
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It feels like totally unintentional. It feels like it has ah ah everything to do with the everybody's schedules. Right. Like there is like how. Hmm. Oh, yeah. so it's like everyone, all the characters are off doing their own little adventure because, yeah, they can't get all the actors to come back at the same time. feels like that to me, right? Like just from the opposite. And then there's so many like new characters that they're bringing in from this new season. It's like because it's going to be a lot more on Zendaya, which is like fine by me because she was the most interesting character, but And then it's all they're all graduated. They're all adults now. And they're all like, yeah, they're not. That'd be funny if they were still in high school. And then she.
02:25:07
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Yeah, she's like smuggling for the cartel, but in high school.
02:25:13
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Drug running stuff looks like fun. Like, ah I'm hoping that that stuff is at least I'm sure it's going to be very culturally sensitive to and its portrayal of like Mexico. i That's what I'm expecting to be very measured.
02:25:25
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Well, if there's anything. yeah Yeah. How strong do you think that yellow filter is going to be during quick the. Crank the filter to Max? Yeah.
02:25:36
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There's going to points where it's like you think you're in piss, right? It's just yellow and it's just a block of yellow, right? You just get like, what can I see? You know, that's what it's going look like. But when it comes to Sam Levinson shows like I don't want to support what he's doing. I don't like the idol. That was a massive disaster. Bad show that that was that that was like worth the hate. I forgot that was sorry. Forgot.
02:26:03
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Forgot. Forgot. It was also I always think the idol is the weekend. I forgot. It's also well the weekend certainly does no favors in that show. He's responsible for some crimes. Yeah.
02:26:16
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There's a hurry you up tomorrow. tells that was terrible. that All the clips I've seen from that are rough. Yeah. It's just like it's that and then like because it's it's it's meta because it's literally about the weekend and and a super fan of the weekend.
02:26:35
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So she's like playing the weekend songs, talking about how genius they are. And it's it's it's like very kind of like ego stroking for the weekend. It's like trying while still putting him through a misery style movie, which is like a very odd way to stroke your ego, I guess. But yeah, what?
02:26:57
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Like, I'm going to I'm going to talk about how great of an artist I am, but also I'm going to put myself through some horribly painful, you know, like, but you know, situation. It's also a situation it's, you know, Trey Edward Schultz had nothing to do as a director. He was like, you know, maybe I could like, you know, do this cool camera move here and there. Right. But beyond that, he was just kind of like, I kind of have to put the camera here. Which is also like kind of a shame because I like Crescia. I remember when Crescia came out I was like, oh, my God.
02:27:28
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it's just like $10,000 movie and it's amazing or whatever. Did you know that they they had originally made that movie and it failed and they had to do it again? Like it was like they did that and and like they all they put almost put out a version and they i put out that version and they had to put out that different version. So Kareesh is like the redo. Yeah, I feel maybe I did know that, but I forgot. But yeah, that's yeah. It's just like a crazy moment, right? Where it's like everyone knows that things can go wrong just like that, especially on a thing like that. but and on On a first movie, too. Like, yeah, that's what is the hardest.
02:28:02
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Mm hmm. That's not their entire fault whatsoever. That's more so just like an interesting fact, to it you know? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's all it little sounds little like a ah Violent Nature a little bit. They had to redo that one.
02:28:18
Speaker
Good movie. Good movie. But, uh... Yeah. And then it comes at night. I thought it was good, even though everyone hated it because nothing came at night. See, stuff like that makes me more. I still haven't seen it comes at night. But when people make that complaint like that makes it sound more interesting, just like when people complained about in a violent nature like it's so slow. I'm like, I bet I'll want it to be slow or yeah, want it to be slower. Yeah, yeah.
02:28:43
Speaker
Not slow enough. I still have to watch the movies of Larry. So I had a really fun time. I was going to say to that. Yeah, I feel like I've seen she had like a world that one just came out. That was blackout. It was a recent film. Did you see that? We had Barbara Crampton in it.
02:29:03
Speaker
No, I'm thinking I were. I'm thinking of different creatures. What? Yeah, I wanted to get a kid for Malcolm in the Middle. I think watched that.
02:29:14
Speaker
would be
02:29:17
Speaker
yeah Well, no, I know I watched it because I have it rated on my IMDb, so I know I watched it. But like my memory of it's not good. Definitely check it out again. I need to rewatch it to like, yeah. Yeah, yeah no, if you guys like like we stripped your down horror, right that's what it is, stripped down horror, you know, then you'll really like it.
02:29:37
Speaker
That's what I like. So. But I know I've seen like stuff he's like, oh, he pops up play everywhere. Yeah. Well, yeah, like I've yeah, like Good Boy and Maxine. Killers of the Flower Moon. Right.
02:29:51
Speaker
right that du die the Mountain river of grass Um, and a valley of violence. Until Dawn, the game. He's the flamethrower guy.
02:30:05
Speaker
Oh, I still got those games are fun. but Yeah, I watch playthroughs. Yeah, it's like choose your adventure games. Does indeed he didn't get credit for that? Because this doesn't show up as like under the writers.
02:30:18
Speaker
No, he with the writer that worked on it, right? That was somebody that like he helped make the game with like, like they needed to help with the writing of it. OK, no, never mind. I just I just didn't see it. that He's under screenplay by. OK, cool. Yeah.
02:30:34
Speaker
Yeah, it's nuts. He's got a crazy, crazy filmography. The pit. The pit. All right. Yeah.
02:31:03
Speaker
Well, I've walked it in the pan. You were in the pan. You're building that deep.