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The Pitt Season 2 Episode 12 w/ Jared Gilman
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Will everyone band together to save Robbie from his imminent breakdown? Or should they all push him off the roof? Jared Gilman comes back to help Doug & Tony answer these questions and more!
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Transcript
Langdon's Mistake and Personal Impact
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Langdon is not a kid. No, but he's your guy and you're taking him personally. Langdon fucked up and you think that makes you look bad, but it's on him. How am supposed to leave this place when it's a shit show?
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First you can't stay, now you can't go.
Decisions and Realizations in Chaos
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What is it, Rabinovich? No, I'm going. I just thought i could leave it a little better when I did. Oh, don't be such a martyr. This place is always teetering on the brink of disaster. With or without you.
Survival and Informal Discussion
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We do it every night, every day off. This place is bringing to one person. It'll survive without Adamson, it'll survive without me, and it'll survive without you.
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you get the opportunity, you should kill yourself.
Geographical Confusions and Humor
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All right. With Doug and Tony and a joint again with our regular pit correspondent, Jared Gilman. Yeah. yeah Man. Not from Pittsburgh, but but I'm like within the tri-state area of Pittsburgh, so...
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Speaker
So there you go. This is just the pit crew. We're here. We're back to talk about another great episode of the pit. and I'm going to be filming near, no, near Philly, not Pittsburgh. Never mind.
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but Oh, wait. No, wait. Wait. Hold on. ge geographic Geography. Fuck up. Philly. Wait. Pittsburgh is in Philly. They are different. They are different. Okay. How far is Philly from Pittsburgh?
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Actually, do we know. Do we know? I do the same thing in my brain all the time. i You know, why not?
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Speaker
We're talking about the pit. We should get our geography... It's four hours. Four four hours and 45 minutes. That's a three-hour, 104-mile drive. Okay, so I'm nowhere near Pittsburgh.
Pennsylvania Vibes and Film Locations
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I'm i'm shooting. I'm to be working on a micro-budget near Philly, so...
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Oops, my bad, guys. Edit that out. Or keep it in for the audience. No, I do that same thing in my mind. Because, like, it doesn't... Pittsburgh doesn't feel like it should be in Pennsylvania. Like, that doesn't sound right. Like, I'm like, Pennsylvania? That's not where stuff, like, that happens on the... Like, I'm not watching the pit. I'm like, this feels so Pennsylvania, right?
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Yeah. Pennsylvania, you think, like, Amish or whatever. Yeah. You think, like... Long, big fields or I don't know. It sounds like Transylvania. Maybe there's vampires. Yeah, Transylvania. Personally, I think of Hershey Park.
00:02:40
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Lots of nickels at the same time. I've been to Philly a few times. It's a neat little vibe. A buddy of mine took me to the actual Paddy's pub or whatever. Oh, cool. Yeah, so that was kind of neat. Although it was closed, so I only got to see from the outset. I can go in.
00:02:57
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I really want to go to Philly, and and you should do this when you're there, Jared, is I want to try to find a way to get to Shyamalan's estate.
M. Night Shyamalan Connections
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Oh, because there's got big compound out there. Yeah, I want to try that next time. Definitely want that. i Just come with your headshot, you know, knock on the door. I mean, I did have, I went to college with one of his daughters. That's amazing. In fact, it's it's not just one of his daughters, but ah the daughter that made her own movie.
00:03:28
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oh ah the one with the fanning. Dakota Fanning.
Film Discussions: 'The Watchers' and 'Servant'
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Yeah. And a bunch of fairies in the woods. evil fairies. it was called like Watchers? The Watchers. Because there was other horror movies that came out. There was like there was like The Watcher. There was Watcher. and like Yeah, with Micah Monroe, there was a movie called Watcher.
00:03:47
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yeah it was actually pretty good. liked that one a lot. Yeah, I liked that one a lot. And then I had a lot of fun with The Watchers. i felt like that is what I'll say. Like, it's, yeah I mean, like, I think like, you know, it's, it's,
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Speaker
i for like a general audience who has a certain expectation you know a certain i don't know logic or whatever in their movies or don't know No, I guess what I'm trying to say is it was like corny and whatever, but I had a lot of fun with it. It was kind of silly. It was kind of goofy, you know, lots of lots of quote unquote cringeworthy moments, you know, but I thought it was like pretty fun.
00:04:34
Speaker
Yeah, just the fact that that is what it is, fairies, like, makes it, like, fun to me. Like, yes there's plenty of things, holes you can poke in the logic of it. and like of Like, this is kind of ah dumb, right? I'm like, yeah, sure. But it's so weird. I don't know. I think I see a lot of potential there in her. Like, I want to see what she does next because also really like the episodes of that Apple show Servant. Oh, I've never watched Servant. I haven't gotten to that yet. It's really good. fun.
00:05:02
Speaker
Because it's all just one, like basically this one house. And then sometimes the yard and area, like the block around the house, like the stories, all the, and sometimes each season, like you expand, you're like, I did not realize they had this in there. Like a new area of the house is unlocked.
00:05:21
Speaker
That's cool. I think that show also like I feel like a lot of people will always throw around the Lynchian, ah you know, yeah, div in a very, you know, yeah way. i think that Servant gets that nice balance between comedy and horror that Twin Peaks is known for. you know, where where there's a lot of things where you're like, is what I'm watching right now real?
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And I think that the show does that stuff really well. um And on Watchers, like it it's a movie that feels like it's better Lady in the Water, which is like, none that's a movie that I wish I liked. Yeah.
00:05:55
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And again, that's another movie I had fun with, I think, yeah because of like kind of the the ridiculousness of it all. But how straight it all plays. like how deadly serious everything is, but, you know, they're using terminology like Narf and...
TV Series 'Lost' and 'From' Comparisons
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Paul Giamatti stuttering, you know. Yeah, oh my God, the stutter, his stutter.
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ah bob Balaban is like the the evil critic. oh You know, that was great. i just thought it was so fun. But like... Eh, no. But, uh, going back to The Watchers, though, I think also the other thing that that that ah made me a little biased was that I had just finished watching Lost for the first time. Oh, shit. Okay. And so, like, anything with, like, a secret hole in the floor gonna win me over, at least in that period of time, you know? Like, and that Watchers is a great hole-in-the-floor movie, I think.
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Mm-hmm. time you see a hole in the floor, you're just like, Desmond's there. like you nice i literally can't see a hatch without that hat happening. Oh, yeah. ah whether i Because I had that same experience during Watchers. i got so giddy when that happened. And then and there's ah there's a show on MGM Plus of all places. it's like i think the showrunner is like a fringe writer. Not From. Are you talking about From? I'm talking about From. my God. There's a hatch in front. That's a hatch in the floor show, too. that's that's also It's also directed by big loss director. Yeah, Jack Bender.
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a lot of He did a lot of the episodes on that. ah And it's it's it's like a bit of a... I'm curious to see, you know, maybe season four... I mean, I feel like each season it's been like, I feel like but we do nothing beats that first episode where the kid gets impaled in the leg during the accident.
00:07:48
Speaker
That was like gnarly as hell. You know, there's been moments throughout, like the pulpit in the third season. that was great. I like where it feels like they're headed with the lore because it feels like it's like going almost it in like, not just like, like folklore or like folk magic stuff. But I'm like, Oh, is this like referencing like a specific, like, like cultural, like, like, you know, mythology, like, like, I don't know, like,
Mythology and Narrative Quirks in 'Lost'
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yeah I feel like I've seen people online like speculate like, oh, like this is kind of similar to some Gaelic myths or something. like i'm ah So like the fact that it's incorporating like any of that is... Because Lost has magic, but it's like non-specific. it's its own like They create their own mythology. The light. The...
00:08:38
Speaker
the light like the the for that they yeah that the the Oh God, the the wind creature. the Right. The smoke monster. The smoke monster. Yeah. Yeah. I just like there's a literal cork at the center of the, cause like Jacob, Jacob has the metaphor for he's like the islands, like a bomb, the cork keeps the light in. And then Jack just goes to the center in the finale. I'm like, no, there's a literal cork he has to pull. Yeah.
00:09:03
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It's like a literal thing you gotta like keep turning and make everything work or whatever. Good show. I, yeah, but, but yeah, no, From was just fun because it's like, didn't they just like introduce a new, a surprise new villain for this season too?
00:09:17
Speaker
a dream yellow or something? You hear him on the phone in the first end of the first season when the one dumb dad is, is like trying to do the antenna and he's like, you should tell your wife to cut, stop digging. And then so like, right. Okay. yeah I forgot about that.
00:09:36
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as yeah elect ons Not yet. Not yet. I know. I like that show. have you recommend right i know. I know. It's, it's, ah you know, I was,
00:09:47
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i I've been a bit bad about like TV watching over the last like ah six months or so. I'm the exact same do Doug made me watch it because for the pod, actually.
Viewing Habits and Past Relationships
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And like, it's if you were already watching it. and yeah i I didn't mean to misrepresent. I knew it was for the show, like in my mind. But like, i yeah, no, it's one of, you know, it's like a more like a relationship depression related issue, i would say.
00:10:20
Speaker
Fair enough. Because when I was in jail, we were watching a lot of TV together. And so, like, binging through shows and stuff. Right. ah I've just been doing a lot more movies.
00:10:34
Speaker
Yeah. No, fair. and and the time i got it I'll get back to the TV show. Lost was like a big show for us. From was a big show for us, too. yeah so i'm a little bit like When that comes back, i'm a little bit like am i goingnna I guess I'll get back into it. I'll try and watch it again.
00:10:51
Speaker
You know, we watched The Pit together and I've been able to do season two. All right. So, you know, although I guess maybe it's easier if it's one episode at time as opposed to like binging a whole thing. Right. Well, and for me, at least because I've had that thing where I'm like, I associate the thing with the ex who introduced me to it. But then also sometimes the thing gets me. Can take a life of its own, you know. Like because like Twin Peaks, for example, like that's got me into that. I'm like, well, that's David Lynch. So that's like on another level. Yeah.
00:11:19
Speaker
David Lynch, you fell more in love with than the person you were with before. Me and David Lynch are still in a relationship, even though he's dead. It's just trying to necrophilic. It's okay. It's all right. I'm still a truther. I still think he's out there somewhere. Like Tupac. I don't feel like he's dead, you know?
00:11:38
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Natasha Lyonne has him in her basement and he's signing off on AI. he said one good thing about AI and he's never going to see his son blue sunshine ever again. Blue skies, golden sunshine ever again. Blue sunshine. That's Mars. Jesus Christ. Heroes. That was like the first like...
Impact of Early TV Shows: 'Heroes'
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I think that was probably, like, the first show, like like, network TV show that I ever watched when I was a kid.
00:12:10
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Hell yeah. It's a great show, right? That first season? Yeah. And then it was great because, like, I was, like, watching it as it was airing. So I was, like, a little kid. And so my parents were, like, fast-forwarding through all the violent, like, the really violent scenes, like, with the hidden pen to the air. Like, you know, fucking, like...
00:12:28
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breaking her bones or cutting up her skin or whatever like being inside out or some shit. Zachary Quinto cutting people's heads open. Yeah, Zachary Quinto like cutting people's heads open. My parents like sometimes fast forward do some of it. Sometimes it'd be like, right, whatever. It's okay. It's superhero related.
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But like I think as I got older, you know, then it was like whatever. But the first season or two was a lot of there is some fast forwarding. Yeah. But it was kind of funny. It was funny because, like, again, hadn't watched it in years. And I was, you know, we were watching a lot of TV. And that was one of the shows.
00:13:04
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Also because she knew one of the actors on it. Oh, cool. ah ah the One guy who played ah Peter Petrelli. Oh, wait, right?
00:13:15
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no no No, no, no, no, no. Sorry, I'm getting him wrong. The brother, the brother, the brother. Petrelli's brother becomes president. That guy. Yeah. Yeah. past star adrianne ya Yeah.
00:13:27
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ah She's like, they had, ah I think the same voiceover agents or same agency, something like that. And then they got to know each other, you know, and then, and then i actually met him at like a holiday party as my need I got to tell, I got to tell him like, Hey, I grew up watching heroes. Yeah. Hell yeah. And then, and then I, uh, Oh God. And then back when I was a kid, I met Zachary Quinto at like an after party. that's cool. Me and my parents met him and we all were like, we loved you on heroes. And he was a little bit like, it yeah I couldn't tell if it was like a little embarrassing to say that.
The Cultural Moment of 'The Slap'
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it Was this pre or pro slap?
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Oh, oh, oh, that slap. ah You know, it was 2013. So might be pre pre. That's pre-slap. Yeah, that's pre-slap. do you lucus was on I think Lucas was on that show.
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That's funny. Yeah, think. I could be wrong. I really only know from the trailer, you know, yeah the famous trailer. I did watch a video essay on it, actually, though, who kind of going more into depth with, like, each of the episodes. Apparently it was, like,
00:14:39
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not half bad, but it just, because of the way the trailer, because the way it was marketed, it just turned into a huge meme. Yeah, it's super sensationalized. ah A man hits a child, and the whole show is about that, right? Yeah, although I guess it's like the show is really not, it's more about, like, the end of it like the the dynamics and stuff, and then, like, how that slap changes every, sort sort of, it's almost like the, ah it's not maybe, like, the the the thing everyone keeps going back to, but it's, like, the first, like,
00:15:09
Speaker
step in like a dissolution of like this dynamic or something I think it's like the but it's been a while since I watched that video I could be misremembering I mean it has a stacked cast I'm kind of tempted to go back and watch yeah it had a good cast it was like you know ah I forget but i do you remember yeah like yeah like I mean, come on. That that alone. But Lucas Hedges is also. Yeah, he is. he's a Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uma Thurman, Bandaway Newton. That's right.
00:15:42
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Yeah. Peter Sarsgaard. Like, come on. Like, that's that's probably really good. Pretty sure it's got to be about a little bit more than just a slap. Right. Probably a little more going on in there than just a father hitting another person, another family's kid.
00:16:00
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Who's to say? I feel like it's also like a culturally forgotten about moment because when did happen, that was everywhere. But now um that show is almost forgotten, right? Well, because another slap took its thunder. Yeah. It's like, yeah, you hear the slap, you think.
00:16:15
Speaker
oscars but i do think it's funny that when when you said it i knew what you were talking about like i didn't think although maybe it was the sort of thing where in my head i had to like sift through the the files of my memory and the first thing i had to sift through was oscars and then nope no no no put that aside we're talking about zack right now yeah will smith and zack quinto should do something They should call it the slap so they can both share, you know, like a culturally important thing called the slap.
'Project Greenlight' and Industry Insights
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Yeah.
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didn didn didn't Didn't Zachary Quinto also work on Project Greenlight? Like, wasn't there like a version of Project Greenlight where like they moved it away from Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and it was Zachary? Because I think it was Zachary Quinto who it was after with Shane Dawson.
00:17:02
Speaker
Oh, okay. Oh, wait. Shane Dawson, like, won Project Greenlight? He was on Project Greenlight, yeah. feel like I knew that. It was one of those facts I found out later in life because I was never like a fan of. I never watched Project Greenlight, but I like I am fascinated by it, like because of what it was. mean, I because it's like it is almost like a like a microcosm like this stuff, just putting someone through the studio system.
00:17:34
Speaker
Pretty much, though. And then, churning out some, like, product that is not quite what, like, it's like, you know, like a bastardized version of the thing they wanted to do. I'd be in the thrift store looking through, like, the DVDs, and I'd find every now and then, like, a Project Greenlight movie. Yeah.
00:17:53
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yeah It's like watching student films, you know, out of context. Sorry, sorry. my My parents just got back home. I'm going to be yelling. I apologize. Hey, hi ah i'm I'm recording.
00:18:04
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i'm doing the I'm doing more of the podcast. But it's all good. It's all good. All right. theyre in Doug, you had a note about the... Oh, oh does zachary Zachary Quinto's thing was called The Chair. It was... it was ah the Chair. It was created by a Project Greenlight people, but his was like the star
Family Interruptions and Personal Anecdotes
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spinoff. Project Greenlight 2.
00:18:27
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Yeah, but on another network. Project Yellow Light.
00:18:34
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But yeah, he did like Shane Dawson, like was on that one. Unfortunately, i like I feel like ah I'm not anti YouTuber filmmakers. You know, I feel like, you know, like with with what happened with like Iron Lung, you know, I'm like, that's great. You know, but like yeah and then there'll be instances like Shelby Oaks where I'm like, what are we doing here, folks? hey You know what I mean? Oh, hey, hey, hey. why No, I'm on. I'm doing the po I'm recording the podcast.
00:19:01
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Oh, I forgot about that. Which one is this? The one about the pit. Oh, right, right, right. Sorry. It's okay. So it's a video? No, it's an audio podcast, but we got the video on just because.
00:19:15
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Yeah, that's the typewriter. It's like a selectrix. Yeah, so it's an electric typewriter. But the drum that was the famous one, it was called selectrix. Oh. Yeah, we're missing, I'm missing, it's missing an ink ribbon, so I'm waiting on that.
00:19:30
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Can he get one? Yeah, he can. He can. Yeah, Grandma had a slot tritz that had, um you could make corrections on it. Oh, wow. It had like button. don't know about that with this one. but It had a special button and had like white tape. Wow, that's cool. That would light out the mistake. It was a good thing to have.
00:19:51
Speaker
Yeah. Did you hear any of that? That's okay. Did you catch any of what my mom was saying? Yeah, yeah, we heard it. Okay, okay, okay.
Film Role Preparation with Typewriters
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Yeah, I was, I was, I didn want to cry i was like, that typewriter sounds cool. They heard it, they heard it. Sorry about that.
00:20:09
Speaker
No, it's okay, it's okay. Sorry for context. ah The movie that I'm doing um in near Philly, philly up ah my character is like an aspiring playwright, but he's he's taking like a substitute teacher teaching job.
00:20:26
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um But his like playwriting gimmick is that he only uses a typewriter. And so i in trying to prepare ah that I should at least have some...
00:20:42
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kind of biarity familiarity, you know, trying it out. Uh, and so, uh, the director, found one. i think he, I think it was at a thrift or online. i forget, but he found it. And, uh,
00:20:59
Speaker
We met up a year, two days ago. to the movies and then ah did the exchange. Nice. now I have a typewriter, but it's missing an ink ribbon. It's got no ink.
00:21:16
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So he was able to ah find it, i think. I think he said he was able to if i find one online and it should be You know, hopefully in the next like week or so, i would hope.
00:21:30
Speaker
couple weeks maybe at the most. Is it like an electric typewriter? is it Yeah, so it's an electric typewriter okay that we got. It was going to... And so initially i was I was thinking it was going to be an analog typewriter, and I think he thought that too because initially there were going to be lent like an analog typewriter from...
00:21:53
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someone he knows like family or something but I guess that was like that was like something that was like quote unquote promised a long time ago and yeah he had never really followed up with them things could always change and so it seems like it might be that we're just gonna go with this electric typewriter for the movie and But also it's like it could be kind of funny, too, because it's like I'm thinking, you know, because it' you know not only is he using like an antiquated form of writing, but it's also like, yeah, the better version.
00:22:28
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Yeah. Like in his head, maybe he this is his compromise. It's like he's like, all right, I'll go electric. And then you get some electric typewriter or something. Well, why are you upset at me? It's the most efficient version of like, you know, what what I could be doing for this. Right. Like I'm seeing where you're coming at, you know, and yeah that's definitely something that can inform that character. Right. Like I respect that you're getting that familiarity. You know, I feel like not every ah actor goes out of their way to do that, you know, and it's one of those things that's. ah
00:23:00
Speaker
important stuff for trying to get into the mind of yeah the role. I just, it's like one of those things where it's like, I'd hate, like, you know, i mean, granted, I'm not, i don't think there's, I'm not using it like a whole, i'm not really using it, using it in the, in the script, but sure like, I, I just want to look like I know what I'm doing when I'm holding it.
00:23:21
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And like, you know, ah there might be bits where are you see me typing, but they're in like montages or something. ah but even still, if that happens, I want to just look like i know what I'm doing and not like a fucking like,
00:23:37
Speaker
I don't know, a caveman looking at, like, piece of technology, and you know, a phone or something. I don't know. Well, it adds an authenticity to it, and that's, you know, that helps it resonate when, yeah you know, we the viewers, are watching It's like, yeah, he knows what he's, guys that guy's used a typewriter. Yeah.
00:23:57
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keep Speaking of authenticity, the pit. Speaking of authenticity.
Authenticity in Acting and Medical Roles
00:24:01
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Yeah, I don't know if I could ever be a doctor for a part. That's a level of authenticity that's very commendable. i want to be Getting through all those lines every week, all that medical jargon and saying it like you know exactly what you're you're talking about, i that is a skill.
00:24:23
Speaker
Mm-hmm. It's fast and efficiently and not mumbling and not eating your words and not like, you know, like. But still casually. Right. Yeah. Yeah. There has to be like a familiarity with the lines. And that's something that the pit actors are nailing really well. Is that like. Yeah. Like this is their everyday experience. Like it's one thing to be like, oh, I know all of this. But then it's another thing to be like, I've said this a million times to a million different people. And that's that. Right. I feel like if I were to be cast on the show, I want to be a patient. You know, I want to be rolled in. I want to few funny lines and I want to leave. You know, like I feel like they're funny lines or tragedy.
Emotional Depth in 'The Pit'
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or suffering or you know it starts out funny and then it goes sideways or whatever it's yeah like the next episode oh oh god m I mean all the Roxy stuff this season was tough i like I don't remember a specific like you know bawling moment watching this season like i there were a couple during the first season I recall but there would be moments in the Roxy stuff where I was getting really close to it because that's been like the through one of the through lines yeah Yeah, I think for me it was a bit when McKay kind of convinced the kid to go in
00:25:40
Speaker
I don't think I, like, teared up, but, like, in terms of, like, moments that were like, ooh, that's the one that for me sticks out, where where yeah that I remember off top my head, just where a she's, like, you know, and it's something you hear a lot, but still, just, like, the way she performed and the way it was executed, all that just...
00:25:59
Speaker
And she's like, you know, you're going to regret it in 30 years if you don't go in there and say goodbye to your mom. Like, you know, it's a very real thing. And what's effective is I don't think we get an answer to that. I don't think we actually see him go in there or anything. Right. Like we just see that conversation and that's that. It might cut away to like a different storyline after. I thought he was in my head. I was like, he's walking in now. But maybe he don't see it.
00:26:25
Speaker
I've been. I would need to rewatch it. Yeah. The reason this quilt moment matters to me so much is that, like, ah you know, obviously that moment is effective. I'm in agreeance there. Yeah, no, and I think it's also like a personal, like, you know, and that's, you know, a total, like, personal kind of preferent and personal thing that it did.
00:26:42
Speaker
The way that it's like, okay, the way that she dies, right, is like we get that, like, you know, syringe and we get the close-up and then the the we cut to the next episode. And then we're kind of cutting around it.
00:26:52
Speaker
Right? Like, you don't see the fallout of it. And then this is, like, the only time that we get, like, the reckoning of the death itself beyond Robbie telling her that. This is her moment of solitude where she's McKay's able to take that and think to that herself about what this ah just transpired. It was yeah really affecting because, like...
00:27:12
Speaker
In this whole episode, this is where a lot of things are starting to spill over. These characters can't contain themselves anymore. i feel like to have this moment where McKay is like to herself and is able to appropriately, you know, ah give her a time and attention to her grief and to sort this out appropriately. It hit my heartstrings. That's all i'll say about that. Yeah, no, you're right.
00:27:34
Speaker
Fiona Dourif is just such a fantastic actress. that like she You really feel... You feel everything in the show, but like like when she is going through an emotional arc like that, because like there's something that adds to it that fact she wasn't even there. She was so invested in Roxy and saw herself in her, and she wasn't there at at that point. She's got the whole thing to see about like not being able to cry, but...
00:27:57
Speaker
You know, because she's so, like, drained. Yeah. Yeah. Another show that would feel like, like, oh, well, you're stating the text. Like, we kind of get that. Like, the show is about, like, them ah struggling to, like, feel in touch with their emotions when they have to deal with, such like, such horrible things all the time. Like, that's part... part So like in a lesser show, someone just like saying that, like that that's that's done that to them would would feel like a cheat or something. But like I buy, I'm never, I'm not taking a, whenever the characters like maybe overtly state something in the show, i never feel like it takes me out of the, but like I never feel like the show is like grandstanding. Like it, yeah you know, like it feels natural, like.
00:28:40
Speaker
ah you know Only times a show ever kind of like becomes you know average strays that kind of natural naturality or whatever is when they get like explaining different issues or explaining different whatever, you know or social whatever, whatever.
00:29:00
Speaker
then people can, yeah then it then, you know, then you can say it almost becomes like PSA-esque, but it's never like to the detriment of the show. It's always because this is important information. It's like, you know, valid to, you know, good that it's being presented to a love mass audience so they understand, what you know, what's what. But like, ah her saying, i wish I could cry right now,
00:29:26
Speaker
you know, but I can't is, ah you know.
Character Development and Realism in 'The Pit'
00:29:30
Speaker
It's character motivated. Like, like so so it it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't feel like a cheat. And to go off of what you're saying there, Jared, about like, you know, how sometimes maybe it could come off a bit preachy, you know, is kind of what I'm getting at. There is like sometimes it's talking about social issues, sometimes it can feel that way. I don't even have that as an issue. It's more so like what I see other people, you know, say about it.
00:29:55
Speaker
I think that the great thing about the show is that while it's the intent of, you know, this is the true experience of being in a hospital, right? That's what it's selling you, right? It's yeah ultimately coming from a perspective. This is still a story we're being told. And all of this is arcs and all of these things are coming from a perspective that's going somewhere. This doesn't feel random. This doesn't feel like in the middle of a hospital and all this stuff is just transpiring. It still feels like there are arcs being set up and all that stuff.
00:30:23
Speaker
So when it comes to, you know, ah all of this stuff feeling grounded, that's where it comes from. It comes from that fiction, right? And to bring that back into McKay and that conversation that she's having with Langdon at that point, right? And can't wait to talk about him in this episode. But like... Oh, God, yeah. Yeah. The thing that's happening there is like, ah you know, I think about people in their daily lives, right? And obviously, you know, people will write things for film and television where it's like those are the exact best things that need to be say said in those moments and maybe you could... ah throw that criticism to the pits way, but I choose to look at it a different way, which is that people are very expedient in the way that they speak in terms of immediate problems, right? If let's say you're talking to somebody and your coworker and they say to you, hey, what's wrong? I feel like the way that somebody breaks down the way that they do like McKay or Santos or what have you in this episode is very real because they're just letting it all out.
00:31:21
Speaker
And I think that there is a realism just in that alone. Also Dana. And of course. And I get what people could come from where it comes to this stuff being like blunt. But at the same time, um i feel as though this is the way that...
00:31:37
Speaker
all the stuff just piles on and then comes out, you know, you just let it out. and And that feels really real to me. Yeah. Yeah. It's all coming from like a genuine place from within these characters. Like after everything she's been through, i buy that she would be saying this in this way. So I'm not like, I'm not questioning it.
00:31:54
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. But Langdon comes in there and he, and you want to hug hearing all of this and he goes for the want to hug. oop Yeah.
00:32:06
Speaker
I would have taken it. He's probably a good hugger. Especially after all the therapy he's gone to. He was right. That's, you know, so that's part of, that's one of the steps. You got to hug, hug it out.
00:32:16
Speaker
I love the bit with the, ah the, the reenactors and he walks in and he just like fanboys out and they're just like, okay, cool. Thanks. Yeah. They seem upset. like and Yeah, they're just like, dude, we're in a hospital. Come on.
00:32:32
Speaker
like whoa you guys have cool blades on you, you know? like I can't wait to tell my mom about this. Yeah, I can't wait to my mom about this. the The great thing about Langdon this whole season is he's kind of just like, every time he's not talking to a person he works with, when he's talking to patients, it's really whimsical.
00:32:51
Speaker
Like, he's going through, like, a fun ride almost. Yeah. nothing like It doesn't feel like anything has been so traumatic in the same way that other people's days have been, which has been very funny, I guess, to experience from that respect. um there There was the moment in a previous episode where like he put the kid down and like his back hurt. Yeah. No. like He seemed super well adjusted, and then especially by comparison of everyone else like breaking down. Everyone else is like, yeah...
00:33:20
Speaker
is is like at their wits end or past it really and he is uh you know it's his first day back he's just happy to be here yeah he he stopped mel from yelling at her sister before right and robbie is like yelling at everybody now right like robbie is like like a tyrant almost you know right yeah that hospital um But the the ah the thing ah to go back to ah that scene with McKay and Langdon that kind of then spurred out a bit to get into more characters and also more about Langdon. um In that moment with McKay, this comes kind of after he has those tense moments with Alashimi. And I feel as though in that sequence with McKay, he's trying to dial up his empathy meter because he feels like no matter what he's doing in these other sequences, um in terms of being professional stuff, it's not being enough.
00:34:17
Speaker
You know, he feels like he's doing everything right. And now he's not getting that result. He's like, maybe I need to do more. And that's why he says that. and And I feel like that's a funny way in which that he could be coming into this. I'm interested in seeing where he goes from here, because especially from how all these characters are now perceiving him, I feel like ah he's not as in the wrong as all these other characters are turning out to be. Yeah, I mean, it's also kind of just like it goes to show like the ripple that you leave behind, even when you're getting better, like, you know, like...
00:34:50
Speaker
the people you left behind might, might not be. Even when you come back, you know, you're better, but they're still thinking about the day you fucked up. Some of them haven't even moved on from then. Yeah. Like, and then another element is that, uh,
00:35:06
Speaker
like something that this episode in particular really hammers home, but this is something that's been happening this whole season is this idea that like some of these people are in tune with what their boundaries are and some of them aren't. And the the the main way that that starts to express itself is that these people see others who are honest about their expression as like bad people. Yeah.
00:35:29
Speaker
And that it's, there's like a nobility in holding it all in. And we're now starting to see what the repercussions of that is. Yeah. Yeah. Robbie's the king of holding. I mean, he tells Mohan, like, you have to separate it, leave it all at the door. And, but he, he wants to die. you're like bringinging it in He's He's, he, it's in the hospital with him. He's got ah his buddy right there. He's trying to, you know, give a cancer diagnosis to you.
00:35:56
Speaker
And he's got his motorbikes, you know, out front. Like, you know. He goes out, pets his suicide bike. like okay, you're still there. Any minute now. Good. Dana did not flatten any of the tires and leak any of the gas.
00:36:15
Speaker
Jared, you're you're spoiling future episodes, you know, that like Mel's going to do that, you know, like somebody's going to stop it, you know, like. Yeah, yeah. so i'm worried I'm worried about Duke, that something's going to happen. Oh, yeah. That that that's going to be the typical, because like, it's like he's already kind of past the point of of that he's lost, can't handle it, but but he's still like shrugging through the day and working. And like they also coming up with for starting to vocalize reasons that, uh, Like he can't leave, but I don't want to, ah before we get fully into Robbie, I want to talk about Langdon some more. ah okay Because yeah, Al Hashimi's whole vibe towards him switched up. She was like one of the like overt allies he had, I feel like, on his day back.
00:37:01
Speaker
ah Because she just saw him. Yeah, she just saw he was a smart, really gifted doctor who knew his his shit. And she was, that first impression was right because he is a great doctor who knows his shit. But now with this new information that's changed, that's changed it.
00:37:18
Speaker
I didn't realize she didn't know. I kind of just, for whatever reason, I just assumed she knew. and then And then when like that got revealed and her eyebrows raised, I was like, oh, shit. Yeah.
00:37:30
Speaker
Because it didn't process to me that people know he went to rehab and was in recovery, but not that it was from taking the medicine, like the meds from. Right. Yeah. Only select people that he's like talked to know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then, but then also too, when she overhears Santos, you know, dishing it out him, I kind of was thinking, oh, maybe she's catching what she's saying. Like she's hearing the words that she's saying. I feel like did say it overtly. Santos didn't say it.
00:37:59
Speaker
She says it, yeah, very overtly. And so I assumed that Alashimi had heard all that. But I guess not because then, you know, and when she goes to talk about it, she doesn't actually say what
Moral Implications and Hospital Dynamics
00:38:10
Speaker
was going on. She was like, why are they having a WWE-style fight in my hospital or something, you know? She didn't say it like that. I'm poorly quoting, but those are you know.
00:38:19
Speaker
She says they're in the ring. They're in the ring. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, you know, she didn't actually hear what was said. She just saw the body language and very harsh expressions.
00:38:30
Speaker
Yeah, she just saw Santos pile driving. lang yeah so I think that like ah it it kind of comes down to what Dana says later when we obviously I don't want to jump too far ahead. But like when Robbie says that to her face about Langdon, she goes, so what? Think about all the lives he saved. Right. And I feel like Alashimi's reaction is the opposite. of that where she's thinking to herself like think about all the people who possibly died because he took that right so ah it's it's ah a situation where I don't think that Alishimi is the type where she's gonna you know hold it over him all the time like Robbie does but I mean like he was over prescribing people so he would so you know he was stealing his little chunk he wasn't killing anyone
00:39:18
Speaker
now and No one, no. Right. Druggies are. I mean, that's the assumption. That's the hopeful assumption, at least. Maybe maybe that was a lesson he learned after he killed someone from taking their benzos.
00:39:30
Speaker
You know, no, I got plenty of benzos to go around everywhere. Everyone's fine.
00:39:37
Speaker
Langdon, it says here that there is an exorbitant amount of benzos delivered to the pit. Fortin pit? Do you want to explain to me this extension? Just solve the Adderall storage with benzos.
00:39:50
Speaker
Exactly. There you go. actually, no, he's also going to stop the fentanyl ah you know epidemic. You know, he's going to switch them, you know. but You guys, you know, you've been on this for so long, you got to try something new, you know. Yeah.
00:40:02
Speaker
yeah to just do a new strain. I got a medical grade. um But the Langdon stuff is kind of like the core of the larger issues in this episode because it's it's not like revealed, but it's more so just like it seems like the Langdon drama of him being back is the vector in which the bad the people who are bad at handling their emotions are offloading ah their own issues. Right. Yeah. It's like yeah they're essentially passing the buck onto him. and And I'm not saying that they're like, let Langdon off scot-free. I feel like that, like he's still got his own things. But the problem is that ah they have their own problems as well.
00:40:45
Speaker
And they see like ah um a place where they can get some kind of moral hierarchy or like some kind of like separation where it's like, oh, well, he's doing that. I'm better than that. And I can still keep doing this. And and I think that that's a very interesting piece of writing to keep in the show and to introduce so late as well.
00:41:04
Speaker
but By the way, i I was using a nasal inhaler stick. if someone If you guys saw me take a whiff of things while we were talking about Langdon doing drugs, it wasn't when was just like, oh yeah, I gotta fucking do a bump right now. No judgment, no judgment. It's a judgment-free zone in here. Some drug sound real good right now. You got a Langdon Max is what the kids are saying, right? Yeah. You don't want to get... We don't know that it didn't make him a better doctor. Like, you know, like but Dan said, he saved a lot of lives. So he is a good doctor. But but some people just can't see past ah a person's mistakes or their worst day, you know? And that's like, was it even in the... Yeah, man, especially like, you know, in the case like Santos where that worst day was a very like...
00:41:53
Speaker
particular moment for her that that like it's hard for her to like move past Ron that makes sense it totally makes sense because like she had a very different experience with Langdon she saw Langdon worst right yeah and like obviously you know there are problems with Santos as well in terms of like how she's been handling her own day. Right. But that's in a different conversation. Right. Because like what she experienced is like, it's normal for her to be upset about that. And, and if he is it almost feels weird that other people around her are not as ah sympathetic with her. Right. Instead, like the, Yeah. Well, it's like Robbie says in, in to Alishimi after she's like, he was taking medicine for stealing meds from the ER. r He talks about how they're like, can stand toe to toe with any ER r in the country. So like, he's almost being like, it doesn't matter. We're so fucking good. Like that's like, we're the best of the best. And,
00:42:54
Speaker
It's almost implicitly still acknowledging that about Langdon. Like, yeah, he's still here because he's fucking good. Like, he's not going to say that to Langdon, at least not today. He's not. But ah it's like, don't tell him I said this. yeah That's the thing. That's the thing. You're you absolutely right, Doug, is that in this scene, he's he's and implicitly unblind. He's like, we got to keep him around.
00:43:15
Speaker
Then the thing is, he's he's going to treat him the same way that he treats Mohan. He's going to treat him the same way that he treats like any of the other doctors that he doesn't really truly respect or care about in this hospital. And that that he's got his favorites. And at the end of the day, like, I don't want to jump too far ahead because obviously we're kind of teasing out this whole Dana conversation because it's so pivotal. Well, Dana and Robbie are linked like this episode, I feel like. So like, yeah, we were going to talk about both of them. Yeah, this is the Dana Robbie episode for sure.
00:43:45
Speaker
This is the Emmy clip reel episode. right yeah absolutely. Unless have their own, you know, moments. Whitaker gets up for his monologue, you know, and he just goes off. Well, they're saving – because Whitaker does have a good scene this episode, but, like, he's kind of been more in the background this season. This whole season. Yeah, we'll kind of check in lincoln a with him occasionally, but, like, yeah, you got stop hanging out with that farm widow.
00:44:13
Speaker
Anyway, you want to allow sit for me? like Like, there's stuff happening with – But like he hasn't had like, yeah, a major like arc payoff yet. Yeah, he's going to have some moment with ah with with Amy.
00:44:27
Speaker
On the phone, maybe. Hopefully. Maybe. Oh, yeah. And he's like, you like living with me. Say it Beautiful. dad is That was fun. It's great. It's it's like ah you get why Javadi is so tickled at seeing that that interaction because it is a fun, fun funny scene. But then there is something heartbreaking about that Santos can't. Like, she needs someone right now, especially like I kind of like when I was like, oh, yeah.
00:44:52
Speaker
The reason that she was upset when she heard he was house-sitting is like, she kind of maybe doesn't want to be alone right now because she's like feeling a really, really dark space. She just fucking pockets a scalpel. Right. So it's like, yeah, if you leave me alone, I'm probably going to start doing that again. So like she she's like, yeah, I need someone there. oh yeah, that's right. Because there's a...
00:45:16
Speaker
is it Her thighs at least was a with Santos? Yeah, when when she goes to the bathroom in one episode, you see the cuts on her thighs. Yeah, so it's it's it's almost, you know, it's like she's potentially going to relapse, which is, you know, just tragic that that that it would...
00:45:38
Speaker
yeah get that way. It's like an extension of the whole Langdon stuff, right? Yeah, because Langdon is like back on, you know, he's figured himself out, you know, and she's teetering off right as she's teetering off.
00:45:54
Speaker
It's part of the reason that Robbie... This is the guy that was like a dick to me, and now he's doing better, and I'm like, fucked. Right. Well, she she says to Robbie, like, oh, like, she she makes his her detestment with ah Langdon very clear, right? Yeah. She's like...
00:46:14
Speaker
I don't want to work with an addict kind of thing, right? And Robbie just kind of pushes it off, right? And ah then with ah Whitaker, she says that the a addiction is not even a part of her, you know, calculation there. It's just about, you know, the emotional trauma that she went through with that. And that's totally valid still, right? Yeah. um But the idea that she's willing to wield that addiction against him in social commentary with other people, right, It's it says to me that she is, you know, separating what she's going through from, you know, what it is. Right. Which is a similar struggle, which is ah a moment of, ah you know, um like almost empathy and and seeing what's like that negative self projection kind of thing. Yeah. Like I see myself in you, but I hate that about myself. So i'm going to be mad at you.
00:47:07
Speaker
And then even going back to the first season, right? It feels like a lot of the reason why Santos and Langdon even had this big falling out was because they're very similar doctors.
Potential Crises and Character Arcs
00:47:18
Speaker
Right. Who are both very good at their job. And like she almost kind of looked up to Langdon before she looked up to Robbie. So like when she went through what she did with Langdon, it hurt all the more. Right. So it's it's just there like this cyclical thing. And what I'm seeing in the season is that she's being set up for disaster again with Robbie.
00:47:37
Speaker
Yeah, because like as Dana, like we're going to have to you know breach the seal and on the Dana stuff. But like when Dana says to Robbie of like ah he was the golden, Langdon was the golden boy. And then when he did that, that you think that makes you look bad. Like you're you're taking that all all that on. So I'm wondering, like, because Santos is his new favorite, like, you know, so is her downfall gonna be the thing that like finally you know like i don't know she he walks into the bathroom and she's like bleeding out or so you're like i don't know she starts cutting right there at work i don't know oh god yeah like if she makes an attempt in front of him and then that's kind of what snaps him into place about his whole like trip or something that would be easy
00:48:23
Speaker
Well, or he preaches to her about like how your life is sacred and you shouldn't, you shouldn't take it. And he's like, anyway, gotta go on my trip. Although I guess it's like, if she doesn't attempt, she would have to go on a, like a side cold and everything. So that'd probably fuck things up for the future seasons. would imagine.
00:48:40
Speaker
Yeah, she would go through a similar position as Langdon, honestly, like at that point, right? Yeah. It's like, like ah talk about the irony, right? But at the same yeah time, yeah you know, like, ah like i hope that's not where they're going with this, but yeah at the same time, they are setting the seeds for this, right? So it's like, who knows? Yeah. um like For me, I'm looking at this from like ah what what's happening with Robbie. We brought up Duke already and like with the Santos but stuff included.
00:49:12
Speaker
I think where we're heading towards as well is that like Lang. Sorry. Robbie's going to stay there for at least three more episodes, obviously, because we have three more episodes left. And obviously Robbie's going to be there for all of those. I think what's going to be interesting is seeing how many of these doctors stay because of Robbie staying there and seeing all of the toll that that takes, not because they're done with their joy. I'm going to miss. She better, they better bring, even though she does not want to work in the yeah ah ER, want them to find some way to bring her back next season. Cause she, she's great. She was, she was fun. I enjoyed her. like i should spin up Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:49
Speaker
Yeah, but the fact that she's like, yeah, it's over. I'm i'm not being ah paid to be here. Actually, the opposite. You know, like she has to be. She's in school. She's paying for school. That's why she's there.
00:50:01
Speaker
she's like, yeah, I just got to have a healthy work life balance. Like, I think she could just she could just clock from just being there a few hours of like, you guys are fucked up whom from this.
Rumors and Relationship Impact in 'The Pit'
00:50:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:14
Speaker
And I really admired that she waited the full day. Right. Like she never like made any comments about this beforehand. But then like right now as she's at the door, she goes, hey, Whitaker, I need to get a selfie with you before I leave. it is like a phantom of the pit.
00:50:30
Speaker
but so So how did people find, because I'm like Santos discovers him in the first season. i don't see her as being a gossip, but like something like that could easily spread in the hospital is like, but like maybe. I'm guessing Dr. J made a video.
00:50:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. yeah it's It's like a TikTok explained video where it's like, here's story about the phantom of the, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I honestly like, Doug, I think you're too optimistic. I think that Santos would totally tell everybody, you know, everybody knows Huckleberry. no like yeah yeah i feel like she would totally like he moves in and then she goes like, yeah, he's living here because before yeah and then, you know, so it's all.
00:51:12
Speaker
Yeah, I could see her doing that. Totally. You know, and that's part of the reason why people hate her. because She's airing all the dirty laundry out, you know, and she's like, why does everyone hate me? I was pariah.
00:51:24
Speaker
but It's just because we can't confide shit with you. Yeah. Passing so much judgment all the time. she's ah She's having a rough time, though. Like, that's what's so great about this show is that these characters are multifaceted. Because it's not just like, yes, we know she's... uh, you know, has a self a harm, you know, pat like issues with that. But then also, ah child sexual assault, maybe in the past, based on how that first season that with that one patient that like, that seemed very personal season too.
00:51:56
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. that that That's a very personal thing to her. So I'm like, if it, if not you, then like someone extremely close to you that happened to, like santa Like, at the end of the day, we joke about Santos, but like i again, I veer very similarly to Langdon, right? Where it's like ah like a lot of the things that she's going through, it's very human, you know? Yeah. I don't hold any of that against her.
00:52:22
Speaker
Yeah, I just feel bad for for you know? i mean, the biggest feel... You want everyone to be okay. You want everything to be okay for everyone, really, and it's just like, you know, sad that it's just like fucking...
00:52:34
Speaker
Well, the the first season had a big like event, this mass casual event where everyone had to band together for, you know, this, this huge yeah cause. And now it feels like we're slowly just, everyone's like being torn apart, like from, from the inside. Like it's all being internally driven, not like, doesn't really seem like the cases are the things that are breaking them, even though they are, we seeing, you know, those are like kind of like piling on like the emotional burden. Right. Oh, yeah. It's like everyone's like interpersonal like relationships are just like falling apart. And then and then the hospital is also falling apart because of the fucking, you know, hack thing. Although at least like that's going to resolve itself soon. Yeah, they they paid the rent. And I like that that's resolved, you know, like off screen basically, because, like yeah, the doctors wouldn't be a part of. So they're not. They have no control over that stuff.
00:53:26
Speaker
They're not cyber you know security experts. So ah they're like, yeah, we caught the hacker and it was, um I don't know. No, they paid. i prefer I was going to joke about someone who would be funny to be a hacker, but ah I can't think of a good answer.
00:53:43
Speaker
But yeah, it makes sense they would pay it. You know, there's a lot at stake. They need the hospital back. i I really like that point you brought up, Doug, about like how the patients are not the main reason that things are getting as bad as they are. And and like I always feel like the water park catastrophe was like a red herring. We're like, yeah, like, oh this is it. You know, there's a mass casualty event. And it's like, okay two people.
00:54:06
Speaker
Right? And that's it. They were traumatic people, mind you. You're very traumatic. Very traumatic. Don't get us wrong. But at the same time, you know. Not a mass casualty event.
00:54:17
Speaker
what What's ended up happening instead is that like they are now treating their patients less carefully. And it's right like we aren't like, like in the, in the way that the show is always told us, you know, like the show is always like, Oh, let's put
Storytelling Techniques and Tension Building
00:54:32
Speaker
the patients first. But then also a lot of this is just through the actions. What I really admire about this episode in particular is that a lot of this stuff is very subtle. Like I'm thinking about that woman who's sunburned, just kind of walking in the background of CQ. Yeah. Yeah. and And there's a few moments like that in this episode. And and I feel like it's almost like a Jacques Tati comedy almost, where you're like you're watching this and you're just going like, oh, like someone in the background is going. Yeah, I mean, the show does such an amazing job of making the hospital just feel alive and like like a real, like well-oiled machine that's constantly moving, even when you're not. you know, present for something, like, you know, it's, they do a really great job of that.
00:55:13
Speaker
And I think it really just has to do with the way they do it. I think it's like, it's just like very, like, ah what's, what's the, it's kinetic. Yeah. Yeah, but like they, it's like it's everything I read or hear about it just sounds very intense.
00:55:30
Speaker
It's just like they're constantly shooting, and constantly like doing things. And like the way the camera follows different characters, I feel like is in line with, because like when it's like following Robbie room to room, it's different than following like one of the nurses, like when the camera, does because that's happened a lot this season too, where it's like, it'll be like, okay, the nurse will be our a pivot point as they move between rooms. But Like when when it's on Robbie and he's going down the hall to another room, it's almost just like, oh, he's barely making each step. Like, you know, the camera like see is like almost communicating like that inner to turmoil. Yeah.
00:56:07
Speaker
There's a moment ah in this sequence, in this episode, and I've seen some people call it out online. and It's just like with Robbie as he's walking from room to room, like you're calling out, Doug. And ah what I love about that moment is that similar to the first season there, when his pressure was mounting, there was like a white noise hum that came in. um And it got to the point where it became more and more frequent.
00:56:31
Speaker
And this was the first time this season that that hum came back. And like, was like, Oh, okay. And this was something that like, like Doug and I have been talking about since we started doing the season two, like his next freak out, it's going to in front of everybody. Like I don't think he's going able to contain it in. And I think we're heading towards that.
00:56:49
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's going to be bad. yeah and maybe that will be the thing that makes everyone have to like a common cause that like kind of unites all these like...
00:57:01
Speaker
these disparate threads and conflict of like, they see Robbie lose it. Cause like he's, he's even in this, you know, state where he's like coming apart. He's still there. North star. Like you said, like if he stays, other people are going to stay, you know, like that. That's yeah like, okay. Yeah. Robbie's staying. I'm fucking staying. Um, well we've brushed up against the,
00:57:24
Speaker
the dana yeah i was gonna say we haven't gotten and weve we've been like foreshadowing and and hinting and it like yeah not and now an hour in we're like okay i guess we should talk about the like fulcrum of the episode giant dana sized elephant in the room with us right now yeah and that she's right here yeah and the totally awesome thing she did like you Like, as soon as it was clear, when Robbie was like, i what what happened? he fell. like, hell yeah. did i was I was hoping, as good she had that needle on her, I thought that maybe she just, like, bopped him. I hied him out i would still been on her side.
00:58:10
Speaker
Whatever did in that moment, like, I'm a willing to look the other way, right? Oh, God, yeah, of course, yeah. I mean, that's exactly what the camera did. It was like, you see Dana going off screen, and it was like, nope, we don't need to see that. That's her and her eyes only.
00:58:27
Speaker
You got stay on Robbie running through the lobby, right? like Yeah. um but They did that earlier in the season too when there was like ah that inmate who was there and she was trying to keep him there longer to get his nutrition. And she like does something to his vitals. So they'd be like, yeah I guess we got to keep them.
00:58:44
Speaker
and and and And I think there was some question too of like, it may it may have been for Robbie even of like, what what happened? You know, and then he had a look. So like the fact that that now there's like an even bigger thing, like this is something you have to get the police involved than now. Like, this is like a a big thing. Yeah.
00:59:02
Speaker
And it sucks it is. It's like, I feel like you you would think logically it's not self-defense. The guy was like choking the shit out my nurses. It's like you gotta get in there. Right. It's gonna cause a bloody nose. It's gonna cause a bloody nose. You gotta to do what you gotta do.
00:59:20
Speaker
Also, that guy sucks. Yeah, oh god, yeah. The guy fucking sucks. Somehow more unappealing than the ice agents.
00:59:31
Speaker
right Yeah, kind of. The writer's part. yeah I mean, granted, the ice agents didn't have like extensive dialogue scenes the way that like he did. feel like if they had more to say, we would also really hate them.
00:59:44
Speaker
Very valid. The way that we don't like this call for guy. um But yeah, like the fact that he was like, he didn't admit the cocaine thing, even though it's like, ah no way he's not getting out of there without them knowing. like But then once used the cocaine as like a defense of like, didn't you say it was like that that interaction between the, like almost like I'm not responsible. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not responsible. was like It was this cocaine, cocaine, little thingy.
01:00:13
Speaker
I mean, and he's clearly an aggressive person sober, too, because when he offers him the pamphlet, he's like, he's like, I thought he was getting ready to do another assault. I was like, dude, calm down.
01:00:24
Speaker
Yeah. The handcuffs aren't enough. You know, this guy needs to be locked away. tren em ah for for For me, i'm I'm coming at it from, like, Emma and her relationship with Dana this entire series. like Oh, God, yeah's yeah. That, right? And then, like, yeah think about how Emma was introduced, right? Where this is, like, her first shift, right? And she's going through all of this stuff throughout this entire season. We're like, we we watched episodes ago how she had to go step by step through, like, a rape victim, right? yeah And, like, the the the whole, i like...
01:00:57
Speaker
Every, uh, it's like episodes ago for us, but only hours for them. that right and then it's like yeah all the necessary steps to do something like that is you know a life-changing experience right yeah this is also a life-changing experience and this all these backs and forth and like this is the thing that weighs on dana every day that like kills her inside right and she's like seeing these things that break her every day happen to this like bright-eyed person there's a yeah real strong degree of tragedy here that like ah yeah it's compelling television
01:01:30
Speaker
very And there's no hesitation on Dana's part to be protective of Emma. Whereas when this happened to Dana and she was assaulted, she wasn't sure she wanted to press charges. like but Like to Emma, she's like, you got to like, like this is like, yeah this is important. Like, cause what it happened to Dana, she's like, don't worry, no big deal. Like, let's just go back. You know? So the fact is like, no, this can not happen to anyone else.
01:01:55
Speaker
And she's right. It shouldn't happen. There just should be no zero tolerance for that. Yeah. It's just fucking crazy. It's like when we joke around about like, you know, Dana being innocent, like, and like, um to be clear, it's not a joke, really. But like at the end of the day, it's like, you know, the we've seen throughout this entire season season, right? Like going back to that ah sexual assault plot line, right? Like that whole button to that was that the police didn't show up for a full like week or two weeks, right? After the test spoiled, right? It's this idea that like nobody's actually doing anything to improve
01:02:29
Speaker
the scenario around them and then also for when Dana to have done this right to have saved Emma from this headlock um Robbie is then floating the potential of firing her of like having her go through the same thing that Langdon just went through right and and it's it's bringing this whole question of like what's the problem really at the root of and maybe is it Robbie you know Yeah, because he's framing it like he can't trust her. Well, because he wants to have it both ways and seem like he's the cool guy who's got her her back. Because when they have that conversation outside, he's like, I'll i'll write this because like the prescription for the the thing that she had, the drug that she injected him with, is like you need a doctor to so sign off on that. And she's he's like, right i would I would do it. I'll sign off on a bunch of them. Who cares? That's not the point. But I'm like, OK, but something's the point because you're like making you won't drop
01:03:19
Speaker
this. Like, you can you can't just be like, you know, you did what you had to do. gotta keep our people safe. It's like he's just, like, determined to make everybody mad at him, so that way they're just, like, not gonna be too sad when he doesn't come back. That too, right? Like, he he wants them to hate him ah a little bit, right? So then when like that happens...
01:03:40
Speaker
Oh, no one wants me here. Oh, okay. I see how it is. Like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yeah. It's just like another also it's like that process of like giving up like on all levels.
01:03:55
Speaker
I guess no one really does care about me because I made everything because i was awful to everybody. and There's no saving anyone here. We're all terrible. We all do horrible things. We all suck at our jobs.
01:04:08
Speaker
I'm out. sons but But then this also comes into confluence with ah what that conversation with Alashimi was like too, right? With Dana as well, like going back and forth, they have all these conversations. But then ah one of the conversations that Robbie has here involves him being like, he needs to be there in order for this hospital to be the way that it is. And then he's confronted with that from Dana where it's like this hospital is going to be gone. Like it's going to keep going, right? And like you're to be gone and it's still going to run. and Yeah. And the part of him inside of him can't figure that out.
01:04:43
Speaker
Yeah, he's been wrestling with both parts of that all so all season where it's like, no, i believe he really does seem like a guy who like wants to die. But then he also will talk about things like early in the season when he told Langdon, I don't know if I want you in my yeah ER. It's like, why are you concerned about who's going to be working there if you're going to be dead? Like, you know, you're not making plans for the future.
01:05:04
Speaker
It's this bizarre, like, confluence of, like, trying to yeah make the plate make sure the place doesn't completely burn to the ground in his absence, but also burning, like, bridges with everybody.
01:05:19
Speaker
and it's it's it's just, like, very, it's self-destructive as hell. ah But it's also egotistical, right? yeah It's not, it's not, like, I'll say it right now, like, he's suicidal, but like, I don't think he's going to go through with it. I feel as though he's doing a lot of this for attention in the sense where it's like, he's, he's reaching out right now.
01:05:44
Speaker
This is like him going like, I need someone, right? And there needs to be some kind of like, boundary that needs to be pushed from the people like on the sidelines? you know These people who... like Think about it. like i mean It definitely feels like there's going to be a moment where there i mean and there already were conversations in this episode that were addressing it.
01:06:05
Speaker
right And we've got to think about who's addressing too. right It's only Dana. right It's like Dana from a higher... Also, Dr. McKay had the one bit ah with Robbie where she's... ah I was talking about like ah people in recovery or people weaning Close to the edge. Close to the edge, and then you know like that interaction. And then there's the bit, ah the the Latin bit, during when they're treating one patient. He says a morpho T, and then Santos says, was it Santos? Yes, she says memento mori.
01:06:46
Speaker
And I was just like, oh, they just saw the new 28 Years Later movie. Dr. Robbie's cutting into somebody's skull and he's just like, I appreciate the filmography of Nia DaCosta.
01:06:58
Speaker
Dr. Kelson should be in the pen. Yeah. Dr. Robbie's just like, man, i want to go party with Samson. h want to go motorcycle riding with Samson. Ralph Fiennes just like blows drugs into Robbie's face. Yeah.
01:07:15
Speaker
This covers him with iodine. it Perfect. Makes him a little What I like about all this is that like the everybody in the hospital knows what's happening to Robbie, but like it because of their hierarchical standards, they can't call him out. There's only much they can Yeah. And I feel like that's going to break away. Like that's what I see is going to come is that I feel like after a certain point, they're not going to be able to like hold that in. If everybody is seeing this guy right off to his death, I feel like someone's going have to step in. Someone's going have to break door to call. Although it would be crazy.
01:07:55
Speaker
Would be absolutely like crazy, kind of ballsy. like, if, if no, if, if the whole like last episode just plays out in like a series of like looks from everyone where they all know what's happening, but they're none of them can or has like the strength to stop it.
01:08:14
Speaker
And then you just just watch Robbie go off into the sunset. Yeah. And that's the show we don't even know if he kills himself. Right. have to wait until next season to find out the fallout of him riding into the sunset. I could see that being the finale. Like, honestly, that would be baller. I feel like it's like such a crazy thing about the show is it really does feel 50-50 like whether or not they'll go in that direction or if like someone steps in there's a big like argument breakdown meltdown thing where they're all present for it and it's this big climactic like breakdown moment and then it changes everything and then Robbie is saved.
01:08:59
Speaker
or whatever, but it's still this like ripple effect thing of, like, we all just had to do that. How is that going to emotionally affect us next year when we come back? That type of deal.
01:09:10
Speaker
um or you know, Robbie go you know it goes messily, and then Robbie still leaves and kills himself, because they failed ah you know, this last-ditch effort to get him to not on the trip. The one thing I keep on coming back to, right, is, like, we keep on talking about how this show is coming from one perspective, right? There is one arc that this is all being told from. And, what like, the perspective is obviously multiple because there's a whole show-running team behind this. But, like, there's clearly still an end point in a through line.
01:09:43
Speaker
I feel as though Robbie is the centering anchor, and I do believe he's going to be back for season three. Like, You don't go to the bathroom with him.
01:09:54
Speaker
You to the bathroom with Dana. You don't go to the bathroom with Robbie. That's the only thing got. That's where they break down, right? Yeah. That's that's like, you know, like or also like you can't take ah Robbie to the maternity area, right? With ah all the giraffes and stuff. Yeah. That's what breaks down to. But I really get the impression that this show is built around Robbie more so than like yeah ER r is, right? Like ER is like a hospital.
01:10:21
Speaker
but I mean, it's like, you know, you have posters of the show. It's it's just his face. Exactly. But they're doing that to subvert it. So when you die. Yeah, it's like, yeah, that's like the other side of it, too. It's like maybe they're just. We'll see it coming. Build up for a big like, you know, stab in the heart of we're going to kill off our lead character now and not just kill him, but we're going make him kill himself.
01:10:44
Speaker
Right. just It's like its own. it would be one of the ballsiest things I've seen in any TV show. It would. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, part of a part of me thinks like, yes, that would be ballsy. But then also, like, I see that that's where it's going. And I'm almost like, is it almost ballsy or not to go in that direction? You know, to get. Well, it's like it's it's it's I guess we're saying it's ballsy in the sense that, like, you're losing one of your pillars, like at at the end of your second season.
01:11:13
Speaker
And, you know, in that view, it's like would be seen as safe to just keep him and then just find a new way of writing, you know. then that way, it's like, yeah, it's ballsy to change his dynamic while still having him maintain a role in the show for sure.
01:11:29
Speaker
But it's also ballsy in its own way of killing him off and then just having the rest of the cast just have to deal with the fallout. because you're Maybe even bringing in like a replacement yeah too or something.
01:11:39
Speaker
I mean, they're having more guests. They're having the guy from the Cosby show show up next week. They're having Noah Wiley's sister play a patient. Oh. And then, oh there's another casting thing, like another, oh God, another, like, patient, I think. And I'm forgetting already. Well, well Patrick Ball's ah wife was already the woman with the eyelashes. So like we've already have a lot of right we've already had a lot of these like, you know, ah crossover. We'll see her, but not Langdon's actual wife who could be imaginary. I don't know. Does he have a
01:12:18
Speaker
I think he does. I think he does. Yeah, he does. But how divorced they are is the question. Right. Here's what they do. they They have at the end of the season, like his wife appears, and it's just the actress who plays Mel King playing a double role. It's just like. She's got like ah a totally like jet black hair or something. Yeah.
01:12:40
Speaker
No glasses. got a pixie cut. You know? Yeah. Totally like makeup. Lots of makeup. Heavy makeup. Right. Very confident. Very confident. Yeah. I mean, she looks really different in other... I haven't seen her in a ton things besides the pit, but I'll just see stills of like just her vibe and how she's made up. And she said in interviews, like, she's like, I wasn't sure if I could do King. Like, will people buy me as a mousy? Like, kind of... like quiet person. She does a great job. I'm like, that's, I assume that's who you are now because of the
01:13:12
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like every actor is just amazing in terms of just like settling into their rhythm and all that, you know, there is, there is a lot of, like And I feel like the the filming process of the show would have to do like a big helping a contributor in this because a lot of the show has to be about like being in the moment.
Set Dynamics and Actor Interactions
01:13:32
Speaker
OK, the cameras turn on We got to say a couple of lines. You have to be ready to do that. and and And I don't feel as though anybody is struggling more than anybody else in being able to meet that task.
01:13:43
Speaker
I mean, granted, naturally you never know. you Who knows when the show's over and then the cast members do their own little tell-alls about the shooting. and course. You find out all the set stories that we were never privy to when it was airing.
01:13:55
Speaker
Dr. Javadi was a mess, all that. Yeah. Noah Wiley was a tyrant on the set. He was a character as Robbie. He was just like, go off on people.
01:14:05
Speaker
You know, actually though, ah my my ah buddy and my ex got to be an extra in season one, was one of the people who was in the waiting room.
01:14:16
Speaker
that's cool. And he said it was like a very tight knit. Everyone was like very close. It was like a big kind of family, like, you know, a well-eiled machine kind of thing. you know.
01:14:29
Speaker
You get that impression. Like, it yeah it feels like a family. It does. Like, in how it's produced and how, like, these character dynamics are playing out, right? Yeah. But it's awesome it's also, like, everyone, ah even, like, the minor characters feel like they showed up to the set, they were given lots of information, and they know exactly who they are.
01:14:49
Speaker
Cool. Like, I like that. Yeah. I don't know. No, this is like, I don't know if this is what, this isn't like, this is more like my impression. Like I haven't heard anything. No, no. Sure. Of course. Of course. yeah But that is good to hear. That's the case. But I'm just talking in terms of watching it. Like, it just seems like everybody is like, so keyed in.
01:15:07
Speaker
Yeah. They are. Okay, we we we mentioned Javadi. Let me do a Javadi tangent real quick because like do Dr. J check in. Oh, God. Yeah, the fucking, what's her name? Outside taking the smoke. That's right in front of I've been calling her old Dana because ah for i thought, i because she does, and maybe she was kind of like a mentor figure to to Dana, but this is the episode where we really see like, they're very different.
01:15:32
Speaker
Something a little different about this nerds. Well, I don't think we called it out, but like she was talking to the ICE agent. I missed that. That just like totally... like I was like like... I just missed that interaction ah because i I can only hold so much for all the craziness in the show in my head. Yeah, she's just outing patients and staff. She's like, yeah, we got Haitian kid upstairs. like we here Here's everyone who works here. Like we see her handing over the blueprints to the hospital, right? Yeah. In a paper format. Have you ever needed to do like a extraction or ah whatever?
01:16:16
Speaker
You go to this wing, you go to this wing, to this wing, and that's it, you know? Yeah, you're the fire exits. ah But the... the the The thing with Monica is that, like, we've definitely had this these little moments where we're like, oh, maybe she's not the greatest, but this is the moment where, like, oh, she's a conservative child. And and the the whole, like, you know, Javadi being like, oh, savant is, like, a term we don't say anymore. I think it's, like, a little silly. Makes wonder if they had a different term in there or if they wanted to Like, are slurred. Yeah. Yeah.
01:16:53
Speaker
Because i never realized, didn't think savant was like a slur or a derogatory. didn't realize. I thought of it as more of a cliche. Maybe it's more like idiot savant, like that phrase. Yeah, exactly.
01:17:09
Speaker
It's this idea of like a dumb person who's ah magically good at one thing. Yeah. That's like a harmful stereotype. And I imagine that that's what they're getting at. Yeah, that's what. Yeah, yeah.
01:17:20
Speaker
And then... Getting in, no good doctorisms here. just at At the end of the day, it's like, that's one of those things that like somebody, like, am I too woke? Am I the woke the the friend that's too woke kind of meme, right? Like, that's what it almost comes across as. Not to say that that's not, you know, something that's worthy of, ah you know, critique or what have you. But I'm just saying, like, in in a a conversational situational moment, right? Yeah. Like, she is going a bit too far, and then Monica definitely goes too far, too. Yeah. It's like...
01:17:53
Speaker
And it's just like, you know, when someone's like like, hey, that word is derogatory. Okay, sorry. That's really the response yeah they're looking for. You millennial snowflakes. Yeah, you know, it's like, that meant to be this huge thing. And so then it's like, she just put blew it the fuck up.
01:18:15
Speaker
yeah I mean, it's telling at the start of the scene is that she's Dana went through the trouble to get her the like nicotine patch like our yeah ums ah prescription. And then she's just out in the bay like having a cigarette. And Javadi's like, you can't do that. Yeah.
01:18:31
Speaker
And Javadi at that moment is trying to upload the ice confrontation on her phone. That's true. That's true. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait see what happens with that. Yeah.
01:18:44
Speaker
That'll be fun. I hope there's a protest. I hope people show up protesting. Like, that'd be crazy. They still don't know where Jesse is, which is scary. No, which is, He's in entertainment still, isn't he? Yeah. I mean, but they don't know where they took him. I'm probably going for the rest of the season, i would imagine, because that shit takes time, and this show only goes until 10 p.m. Yeah.
01:19:06
Speaker
So we're going to have to wait until third season. And we only know what can be discovered within the you know the yeah er r So like if unless someone comes running in and be like, I found where he is.
01:19:17
Speaker
ah Joy actually left to go find Jesse. She's like, I'm not leaving. Yeah, that's the big reveal. Yeah. I hope that like ah season three opens and it's just a shot for shot remake of the opening for season two. But it's Jesse on the motorcycle coming into the hospital. And he's like, I'm finally out of the ice internment camp. You know, like he's. Yeah. and then And then he goes up to the wall of remembrance and then you see at the very bottom right corner, you see Robbie's picture.
01:19:44
Speaker
That's how it's revealed. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And Jesse has an eye patch for some reason. You're like, oh, fuck. Some some shit happened. Actually, no, it would be
Fast and Furious Franchise Insights
01:19:52
Speaker
really funny, a though. It's like he he walks by the wall of remembrance and then like he he goes to like the bottom corner, but then like the picture is gone. But there's like a space where there should be a picture.
01:20:02
Speaker
And you're like not sure if it's Robbie, but then it's like some other doctor and then Robbie just shows up. He's like totally fine. Yeah. But they do the thing from Fast and Furious 7 where ah they they hire a different actor to play the body of Robbie and they just superimpose Robbie's face on him. Because, no, Wiley died.
01:20:22
Speaker
Exactly. Don't think you can leave without saying goodbye. Could you just... I'm a big Fast and Furious fan. I'm sorry to say. I like that a lot of other action movies are true. want to see a movie about the making of those movies.
01:20:38
Speaker
I feel like... well especially depressing Well, especially like after Justin Lin left and it's like, oh, been the Vin Diesel. But also it's like the Vin rock drama, you know, all that stuff. With like Hobbs and Shaw being and like its own movie or whatever. Yeah.
01:20:59
Speaker
And then them getting The Rock to come back in that post-credit. Because you because like it seemed like he he was just going to do Hobbs. He was like, I'm not going to be part of the main thing again. You're like, ah, shit. This is feud's real.
01:21:10
Speaker
but there yes What? Do you guys remember Brie Larson was in Fast Furious? like Yeah. at all she's She's the daughter of Kurt Russell? Is that her daughter?
01:21:23
Speaker
Oh my god, that's right. all Kurt Russell, was he like a CIA guy or something? Mr. Nobody. yeah Trust me, I'm a fan.
01:21:34
Speaker
What if that's the end though? They never follow that cliffhanger. I will say that ninth movie was the first movie I saw in a theater after the pandemic hit. Wow. The one where they go to space. So that's a good one to come back to the theaters for. Yeah. Yeah. Ludacris is good in that one.
01:21:52
Speaker
he' Just him and Tyrese just questioning if they're even real because they keep surviving the most crazy shit. I you feel like that's kind of the peak of the the series. And then like X didn't really work as well for me. Yeah.
01:22:07
Speaker
Yeah. though though Though X is interesting because there is a shot for shot remake from the of the stair sequence from Battleship Potemkin. enough With the but it's like a giant boulder that's coming down the staircase. it's if you If you take the Battleship Potemkin staircase. Yeah, yeah you can set by set it. That's funny. That's funny.
01:22:28
Speaker
it's right It was Louis the Terrier. What about the dam sequence the end? That's clearly referencing insert classic art house movie here. the frame Clearly the dream sequence in the end of the half you know, that POV shot going down the dam is clearly what that's referencing.
01:22:48
Speaker
Duh. It's the same as ah all of the love interests for Vin Diesel within ah the Fast and Furious franchise. It's the same as that sequence in 8 1⁄2 when the camera's panning around and you're meeting all the lovers who are in the in the little ah farmhouse, you know? yeah i feel like that's the way that Vin Diesel imagines like his romantic leads where he's like, oh, these beautiful women.
01:23:12
Speaker
It's the farmhouse, you know? Yeah, it's the... Vin Diesel, Vin Diesel home. What if that's how X, and like there's never a conclusion to that cliffhanger in X. It's just that dam blows up.
01:23:25
Speaker
It looks like everyone on that a helicopter die it just explodes here like they're they dead. and I'd be happy. I'd be happy with that. Yeah. I mean, it's literally going out with bang.
01:23:37
Speaker
Their version of the Joker just wins. It's all right. Yeah. Like, you guys remember in, like, Toy Story, right, where, like, you know, like, the whole thing with Woody's character was, like, his TV series ended on a cliffhanger, right? where i was like, oh, you know, like, nobody really cared and, that like, that they just kind of canceled the show, right? Like, I feel like... ah something like that when the fast furious franchise, you know, if they just ended on X and they were just like, Oh, we don't give a shit anymore. You know, we'll just do like another Tokyo drift and reboot the whole thing. You know, like I'd be happy with that. You know, that sounds good to me, you know, because they, they went way too far. They went in the wrong direction. And, and that last one really just felt like a collection of scenes yeah that like either were funny or were horrible.
01:24:23
Speaker
Yeah. They didn't know how to top going to space because once you escalate that, I was thinking time travel. I'm like, well, you you have a car and if it goes 88 miles per hour and you got a thing, i mean. Maybe maybe it's like not it's fast. Really fast.
01:24:43
Speaker
you got to go really fat really Yeah. nitro Yeah. on the nitrous yeah yeah you They make a cargo light speed or they make a cargo like, i don't know, like rocket speed, like real fast, like, you know, just like, and and that's the gimmick. And they go too far back and there's dinosaurs. Yeah.
01:25:03
Speaker
Yeah. Exactly. Oh, yeah. No, it's, it did you know, we ah fucking Oak Street the shit. hell Yeah. Well, I was going to go in a different direction because, yeah Doug, you brought up this idea of like a time travel thing. And and before we started recording, we were talking about the movie yeah Time Crimes. and Oh, yeah. about Vin Diesel's take on Time Crimes. And like, I can't get that out of my head.
01:25:26
Speaker
know, Diesel's just be what the fuck? You telling me I went back in time, doc? Just 10.30.
01:25:35
Speaker
That's my bedtime. oh My bones are raking. Oh, speaking of old people, there's ah mo Mohan ah and hilarious yeah her her storyline with, I mean, this this this storyline hit home. I mean, like it's not designed to be a cheer jerker in the way the Roxy one is, but that's that's real stuff in terms of, you know, ah elder care. I've seen my parents deal with that with that. Yeah, yeah. It was the older couple and the husband who's got to get extra testing. a
Family Dynamics and Elder Care
01:26:05
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And having to have those difficult conversations where it's like, yeah, you want them to respect their independence, but it's like, how do you, you know, approach like keeping them yeah safe? Yeah, yeah.
01:26:15
Speaker
And all that. Like, I really felt for their their daughter there because I'm like, it's not easy stuff to to navigate. ah And they've they've taught they've had, like, caregiver stuff before. Like, there was the ah the woman who it seemed like maybe bailed on her mom, but she just, like, fell asleep in the parking lot last last season. Oh, man. Yeah, yeah. So... yeah But tying this to Mohan was interesting. ah And the payoff of it is just more insane Robbie stuff because, you know, she she she kind she she they don't want to, like, move into a retirement home. So Mohan takes...
01:26:54
Speaker
some kind of measure of like, okay, well well, let's, let's try switching up the medication and see how, how that helps. So they don't have to just make that decision right away. Kind of like meeting them halfway. And, and then Robbie's just like, yeah, geriatric Maybe you're suited for the pace of that. You slow fuck.
01:27:12
Speaker
Yeah. That was like a very loaded ah comment. That was pretty dickish. And it's not different from what Alishimi had recommended to Mohan before, right? But she did it in like a nicer way. She was like, this is like really good This will be great for you. You'll be great here. is Something, something, something. And then Robbie's like, yeah, this will suit your pace.
01:27:38
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. the The implication being you're a shitty doctor. and Yeah, like he's slow for the rest of us. so I mean, he seemed kind of looks annoyed when they were coming to her, and when when she came to him like with about like about the patient, and he was almost just had a look on his face of like, really? Like, like you got This is what you're bringing to me right now?
01:28:04
Speaker
And I feel like they have talked about before another, ah like, was that thing last season where it's like Mohan can spend a lot of time with patients because she wants to get to know. Yeah, she gets like very, like, oh, what's the word? Meticulous. I mean yeah, she's very, she's just, she's a good doctor. She wants to like know what's what's wrong with their patients and and then help them. So that's like what you want. But yeah, they, they're an ER, so they need to be about expediency.
01:28:31
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I'll take it a step further. Mohan's one of the best doctors there, right? And she doesn't get the same respect as a Whitaker. She doesn't get the same respect as a Santos, right? It's only based on... King just seemed like two patients today. Robbie didn't ah yell at yell at her, did he? Yeah, she had a tough deposition. She just found her sister had sex. Leave her alone. And she found her sister had sex. Yeah, that's maybe even worse. Yeah.
01:28:59
Speaker
And the dad is, yes, arguably. Yeah. For her. Yes. Yeah. All of those, all of those ah elf viewings were like tears in the rain, right? Like just gone. But Mel, I feel like is kind of invisible at this point. I feel like even though she has had all these things, like she hasn't really contributed a lot to this plot. Going back to Mohan a bit, like I feel as though Robbie's problems go, um you know, obviously Robbie's suicidal. He's putting all these things onto other people in unfair ways. But I do feel as though there is preferential treatment going on within this hospital. Yeah. And I do feel as though whatever Robbie thinks he's doing great, it's there's definitely room for improvement. And Mohan's the first line of defense.
01:29:49
Speaker
I also forgot that Robbie was seeing someone because in this episode, he offered, you know, would she's you know ever at the same thing everyone asked.
Personal Struggles and Help Seeking
01:29:58
Speaker
him was like, oh, you're really going on this trip, huh? And then, and he's like, do you want to come with me? Because it's going back to what you were saying, Tony, of like...
01:30:06
Speaker
i I feel like both things are true that he really does want to die but then also he's like he doesn't know how to ask for help so like like that's kind of his thing of like ah it's it's almost like Santos like needing Whitaker to be around so but he's like oh yeah you come with me so then I don't kill myself please like I do not trust myself to to take that trip alone i mean but he can't say that you know and and he doesn't even like try to push it further you know when she's like ah I can't get Between a man, his Zen quest or something. He should be pleased. He's a yeah death Zen quest.
01:30:42
Speaker
I like that ah Duke is feeling kind of like left out. You know, like he's kind of just sitting in a room to rot, you know? and Yeah. I felt bad that he had his CT scan pushed. And then he was just like trying to leave. It's tough situation all around.
01:31:01
Speaker
It has more to do with... ah Robbie wanting to keep him there so then he can like, you know, figure out what's wrong with Duke. But it's not even because he wants to make Duke better, but because like he wants to rub it in his face almost like there's a weird dynamic going on there.
01:31:19
Speaker
I also see it as a part of him extending like very, he's like, I can't leave. Like, look at all this stuff going on. Like, was Duke. Yeah. Cause in the, the peeve for next week, he's saying like, yeah, I, uh, everything's, uh, that's going on. Like, I don't know if Langdon's going to relapse. Uh, what's the other thing that he lists? Uh, I didn't watch, try had never watched the previews. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's them.
01:31:44
Speaker
I don't intentionally watch them and then someone will post on the timeline. I'll be like, okay let's let's see what this is all about. I missed those posts somehow. I'll see like the image, know, sometimes I'll see images, but I never actually see the preview itself. I'll see like ah when they're on like a morning show, you know, like I like seeing like, you know, when they have like an actor on or like, you know, like an exclusive clip for the next season. I'll try to stay away from these, you know, like next week ons. um That being said, ah to hear that they're kind of basing it around like, is Langdon going to, you know, relapse that That's just Robbie saying that, though. Like, yeah, like no it there's no I mean, yes, his back is OK, but I don't think he's going. Yeah. Again, unless he's hiding how much and how in pain he is from the the holding kid.
01:32:36
Speaker
and He's just been like hiding the back pain from everybody this whole time. but But I feel like it also would if that was the direction they were going in. Right. They would have played that out more. Yeah. They wouldn't have had him and like fanboy out in front of those like reenactors. You know, like it would have been something different.
01:32:54
Speaker
You wouldn't. know Unless he's wincing and that's not he's like he's not smiling. He's wincing. But no, I don't think that's the case. That's that's the reach. Yeah, I think he's he was in pain and he's just dealing with He's like, okay, this sucks. that's what But he's like you know he's committed to staying sober is my impression that he's just going to do whatever it takes, even if he's going to tough it out through some some really uncomfortable.
01:33:22
Speaker
backba Especially at a job in a job like that, I bet it really sucks if your back is like fucked up. Yeah, because it's like you need you need to be on the ball. You can't be thinking about the pain you're in Which is why drugs made him a better doctor. I mean, look at Dr. House.
01:33:41
Speaker
He tried going clean and what happened to him? I mean, you know. Worst doctor. He became a much worse doctor. did the Like, but you can't argue with the results. And, and like, ah like that's that's what I'm thinking is, like, they're going to get to the point where, like, everybody's going to be like, we need Langdon to take the drugs.
01:34:01
Speaker
And that's what I'm hoping for, you know, is that moment where everyone's like, not only... Is he a drug addict, but we need him to take drugs to be a better drug addict? They figure out how to do it.
01:34:11
Speaker
They figure out how to how to how to administer it in a controlled way in which he does not relapse into further addiction, but is only just strengthened from the benefits of these benzos that he had been taking.
01:34:27
Speaker
Yeah, somehow he gains the ability to slow down time. Yeah, and that's why he gains the ability to like to to sprout multiple Langdons in which he gets to see them do every possible like permutation of events. And then he figures out from that what's the right thing to do.
01:34:46
Speaker
Exactly. It's it's it's ah it's a Bradley Beard situation. Oh, I was going with the other 100% brain, ah Lucy, where Scarlet Chompans. God, yeah, Lucy, yeah. Once she uses 100% of her brain, she time travels and then becomes the internet.
01:35:02
Speaker
Yeah, she becomes the first the first like being and then also everything at the end. yeah She's everywhere. She doesn't have a physical form.
01:35:13
Speaker
That was fun in that movie. That's a definite co-worker movie. you know Yeah. Such a shame that they got the guy from Old... Wasn't it the guy from Old Boy? That the man guy?
01:35:24
Speaker
The guy played the bad guy? Yes, that, and then also it's a Luc Besson picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Morgan Freeman. Yeah, of course, Morgan Freeman. but But I just always remember... ah Minxing Choi is that a I believe so yeah the old boy guy yeah yeah the old boy guy just being the bad guy and then just feeling god damn you know what a wasted opportunity of like a great actor you know like and kind of like a throwaway part
01:35:56
Speaker
I had a roommate who thought that stuff was, ah you know, let's and to put it, Kylie, he had some untraditional beliefs. Oh, he like believed he thought the 100% of the brand thing was real? Like when she started levitating people, he's like, this could happen. Good for him. you know, it must be a really fun brain to exist in where you think that that's what would happen. Like anything's possible. yeah Doug, have you talked to them recently? or No. Like, is every attempt meeting them, like, every time you get close to them, you could black out and you wake up and, like, you're somewhere else, right? Is that is that what was happening or...
01:36:41
Speaker
No, he ended up being kind of a shitty person who stole yeah stole from us and ghosted on like a few months rant. But, you know. You never know. He could have stumbled onto some random NTT, you know, somewhere.
01:36:54
Speaker
probably. That's the drug. That's the limitless drug, right? Yeah. I'm remembering it right. It's NTT. Wait, wait. When you lock your brain, right? Like your brain no longer sees the need for rent. Does Dr. Manhattan pay rent? I don't think so. don't think so. don't think so.
01:37:12
Speaker
ah You just like invest in all of the correct cryptocurrencies or whatever. You just like never have to worry about money ever. Bradley Cooper was the best NFT trader Yeah.
01:37:30
Speaker
Anyway, the pit. I feel like we've gotten all the major
Graphic Scenes and Empathetic Interactions
01:37:34
Speaker
stuff. I guy had his head blown open. Another firework-related accident this episode. Gnarly.
01:37:43
Speaker
Very gnarly. Again, as I predicted, there were going to be more of those. and Not just a hand, but also a head. ah that Oh, God, in the bit where she's just like, where they're doing the thing, that the stitching it, but with the clamp thing. Oops, staple. She's like, oops. and then And the guy's like, what, did something happen? And they're like, never say oops in front of a patient. Never do that.
01:38:07
Speaker
I'm like, oh my God, I would have been the person saying oops in that situation. I would have been not only saying oops, I would have been like, oh, shit. Oh, fuck. Oh, no. And doing the worst, like, bedside, you know, like, behavior.
01:38:22
Speaker
oh God. Yeah. There's so much pressure. every episode Every episode, there's a new gnarly injury of some sort. It's great. Can't wait for next week.
01:38:34
Speaker
Gonna miss it when it's off season. Yeah, there's nothing like it It's a little dose of body horror every episode. And yeah and yeah like the the great thing about that moment of like the like saying, whoops, is that it comes from joy, right? Because this whole season has been like how great joy has been. She's definitely one of the MVPs. She's like always on the ball, photographic memory.
01:38:58
Speaker
If we're going to round out the episode soon and we're calling out some like you know moments that we you know appreciated, I wanted to call out the moment when Perla takes out ah the guy the brother, right, of the fucking victim. That was great.
01:39:12
Speaker
Gets him to count. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When she ah yeah and she has him do the breaths and all that. That was like a great little moment. Yeah. i'm I'm just a big Perla fan, you know, and and and and that little moment was really nice to me. That's all I wanted to say about that. Yeah.
01:39:27
Speaker
It was cool they gave that to her because I feel like we know the least about her than the other nurses. And yeah, so just to give her this severely human moment where she's, yeah, she, I mean, understandably, I'd be freaking out if that was happening to my brother. Yeah, there were a couple really intense cases this week.
01:39:46
Speaker
Just like the the one guy was like not breathing and he was like, vomiting or whatever and then i yeah that was that was gnarly and the way the fireworks a patient when he like seemed is seemingly alright but then is having chest issues and then yeah yeah that's like oh the blood's pooling up right and see it in his chest oh we're fine Yeah, just when you think you're they're out of the woods, like a new a new thing happens. Because, like, it seems like the episode's winding down and like that isn't that's like when Joy leaves towards the end. And then right as she leaves, ah they come in. ah
01:40:26
Speaker
What was the patient? Like, Mr. Garcia, the diabetic who, like, couldn't afford who had all the medical debt. Yeah, and that's a big cliffhanger next week. Yeah. He, like, comes in. He's, like, out. He's gone.
01:40:39
Speaker
I mean, she warned, like she was literally warned him on his way out. They told us in that preview. They told us in the reviews previously on. Yeah. Reminded us that she said that to him on his way out. or That's when you know it's coming. right Yeah. When it's in the, it's in the previous, in the recap, you know, okay. Uh-oh.
01:40:56
Speaker
I didn't see that previously on, right? But like how many episodes, how many times in this show, period, but then specifically this season, have there been moments where a patient has had to walk out or something? Yeah. Well, you better come back or whatever, right? The fact that it's this patient, I feel like stings extra hard considering they're you know, somebody who is not making a lot of money, right? Yeah. And B, like, you know, like their family is going to be a large part of that. And it's like, now that we know that they're undergoing this level of trauma and stress and possibly like life-affecting, I'm worried. i Yeah.
01:41:34
Speaker
And how it's going to affect Mohan because she was trying everything she could to help. Like she even had like a free like sample be a pack to go of medicine because she like she's like, you can't, he didn't want to stay because he couldn't afford it because he he needed to like get his blood sugar back up to like a certain level to help him but he was gone gone too fast couldn't even give him some skittles yeah sorry and then and then it was floated like oh you can uber the medicine to his place but we never saw that happen but like because like so many a billion other things happened after that and and then now he's back like so she's gonna blame herself and after robbie's already piled on her stuff like he is he gonna be like yeah it's your fault
01:42:17
Speaker
it's It's like the first season ended with Robbie on the roof. This season is going to end with like so many people on the roof. they're They're all going to be on the roof. Yeah, everybody's on the roof. They hold hands and jump together.
01:42:31
Speaker
it's like It's like the end of Us, you know, like their hands wrap around America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hands across the pit. Hey, there we go Hands across Pittsburgh. Yeah.
01:42:44
Speaker
It's literally just the pit. It's like just the hospital. All the doctors across like the perimeter of the roof holding hands. Except the right wing nurse. She's like, I don't hold hands. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
01:42:57
Speaker
Or she's like on the bottom taking a smoke smoke break or something like watching them all like and laughing like these snowflakes, these little special, special people. I hate this woke hospital.
01:43:09
Speaker
yeah Their formation in holding hands, the way in which they are laid out around this hospital proves to her that the world is flat. Yeah. o Yeah. Yeah.
01:43:22
Speaker
I think that just makes sense to me. but That makes sense. absolutely feel like I feel like that's all for the pit, right? We mined this pit dry. It was a long episode. it was like ah It was a longer episode than the the other ones, which was see. Yeah, i think we did a full two hours, I think. I mean, but also also the the the episode of the pit itself, I think, was like a slightly longer Right? It was like closer to 50 minutes. We had been getting like 41 versus 44. Yeah, we've been getting 44, 45. And, you know, i drew i like fifty I'll take what I can get, but I had felt a little cheated. So I'm glad we were getting back to, you know, 50. I'm like, I need to see as much of that hour as possible. Because when you go the next hour, I'm like, what were they doing? Just get in the bathroom? Yeah.
01:44:08
Speaker
masturbating. have a Yeah, I get through the day somehow. i mean, we don't see them ever snack. Like, they don't get lunch breaks, but we know they have to, like, cram something in their mouth at some point. you know, so, like, that's, they're doing that during the the time we don't see. Well, I mean, look, if Jack Barrett can go 24 hours without using bathroom, I think these guys can make 12 hours worth I mean, that's the 11 or it's like, that's why 24 is like, you just got to suspend your disbelief. I'm like, why is Jack not shitting himself now?
01:44:40
Speaker
Like literally, he's got a stomach of steel.
Nostalgia and TV Show Realism
01:44:45
Speaker
And he does a show I still need to watch. I, yeah, I never actually watched it properly. It's just, you know, the famous. existence I've seen clips, I've seen bits, I've seen like action sequences and kill camp videos and stuff.
01:44:59
Speaker
it It looks ridiculous. It's become like my background, like I'm doing laundry or something and I'm only half paying attention show because I never watched it when it was on. But, you know, I like spy stuff.
01:45:12
Speaker
And so, yeah, yeah like Kiefer Sutherland. The constant ticking in the background while you're doing it. helps keep you on time for the laundry. Well, and I'm just interested watching it now because I know like they had to delay the premiere of the spoilers for the pilot. But a plane blows up, you know, like terrorists exploded. And like so they had to push it a couple months after 9-11. But that first season, it's about European terrorists, European terrorists trying to kill the first black president. they They're trying to kill Barack Obama. Wow. Was it the Irish?
01:45:47
Speaker
No, no. Oh, that's a shame. They're like some kind of like Slavic or something. You know, they're like, oh, of course. That's like it's the turning point because it was made before 9-11. Like that's when the Russians were villains. And then afterwards, I'm like, oh, the next season, he's going to be running through mosque and stuff. Oh, shit. You got to watch Homeland for that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did watch that because I liked the concept of like, no, this one guy was turned like the, like, and we're just going to like follow that through of like, and then he kills the vice president. Yeah.
01:46:23
Speaker
That was another show I missed. So you just ruined it for me. Now it's not. How dare you? That's the first thing I saw Timothee Chalamet in. He was with the vice president's son. Oh, God. I forgot he was in that.
01:46:34
Speaker
yeah Another point for you to watch Leftovers, Jared. ah Margaret Qualley is in The Leftovers. Oh, cool. Yeah, that was the first thing I saw her in. She's great. I think the first thing I saw her in, if it wasn't The Nice Guys, it was whatever I saw before The Nice Guys, I guess.
01:46:51
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like like she i definitely recognize her in Nice Guys, but then ah definitely ah Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. you know Oh, yeah. I feel like that's like a cool thing. That was like defining kind of thing. Yeah. who no All right. checking, looking. IMDb's leasing.
01:47:09
Speaker
Get to the bottom of this. Yeah. Yeah. Nice Guys. That was like her second movie after Palo Alto. Which I haven't seen. Yeah. yeah That's a Tumblr movie. Palo Alto is ah a Tumblr movie, if I've ever seen one, where it's like, there's certainly elements of it, but it's like, a lot of the elements that people like are largely signatory. But yeah.
01:47:34
Speaker
the pet The Pit. The Pit. The Pit. Great show. Great show. Love that it's a once a year type of show and not a once every three years type of show. It's like real TV, like how they used to. And we get longer seasons. Like the fact that we're this deep.
01:47:49
Speaker
Well, 15 episodes instead of like 24. Right. But that's still better than like eight. You know, like that's what you get on like yeah a lot of HBO shows. Yeah. And it's like eight, but then it's like one season, but it's split like over two. Oh, yeah. Eight and then three.
01:48:05
Speaker
What you get is what you get. and um yeah And I'm picking up what you're laying down there, Doug, where it's like, you know, like I'm i'm happy that it's just this contained thing. um And I'm happy to see where it ends up.
01:48:16
Speaker
With them all jumping off the roof. Yeah. Or tackling Robbie to make sure he doesn't go on the suicide motorcycle trip. It's like a giant pile up in the lobby.
01:48:28
Speaker
Or Mel and Langton kiss while his wife is in the car with the kids. likes yeah s Flaming on the horn. All these things are going to happen. Maybe Dana will punch Robbie in face.
01:48:42
Speaker
Maybe Dana will drug Robbie and that's how he doesn't go on the motorcycle trip. She's got another syringe, you know, and yeah and and then they frame him for having drugs and then he has to go to rehab. And they're like, how you like it now?
01:48:55
Speaker
yeah Langdon is like his AA, like, you know, like he's got to be the person. he He's a sponsor. Yeah. Or they just like blow up the motorcycles before you can ride them.
01:49:08
Speaker
Oh, another idea. All of the motorcycles in Pittsburgh have blown up because of that, you know? Like, they they just don't want them to get
Short Films and Personal Experience
01:49:16
Speaker
on, you know? Yeah, no. It's like, Robbie can't ride a motorcycle. No one can ride a motorcycle.
01:49:22
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah. It's like ah those ah scooters, you know, all those, like, motorized scooters that are connected through the apps, you know? Yeah. All go off at once, you know? Yeah. He's trying to rent a Divi bike. He's like, I'm going to do it somehow. Yeah.
01:49:38
Speaker
He's on a rickshaw. You know, he's like how much should can i pay you to take me off of a cliff right now? This guy, he just, he's like, totally gives up.
01:49:50
Speaker
Goes on horseback. Yeah, but then I feel bad for him. I don't know if they do it in Pittsburgh, actually. I just know they do it in like New York City. They still have, like, you know, horses. Horse-truck carriage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:50:05
Speaker
It's always weird in Chicago when I see the mounted cops. Like, there'll be yeah cops on horses. I'm like, that's... You're not a real cop. What century do you think this is, buddy?
01:50:16
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, also like... Yeah, New York City, too. And then there's just, like, horse shit in the room. Yeah. So that's funny. Anyway, the pin. anyway the
01:50:30
Speaker
The pit is not opposite of horseshit. Yeah, the pit is great. ah Yeah. ah ah So, yeah, that's we're going to keep going to the end of the season. um Did you have anything you wanted to plug, Jared? um but there' just I just, don't know. i Follow me on Twitter if you want.
01:50:54
Speaker
I don't know when many of my short films are coming out. Yeah. Yeah, yeah well well, once there's dates, we can update like this. Yeah, once I have dates for things, I'll be like, yo, go check this out. But I don't know when anything is coming out right now. so Yeah, fair.
01:51:11
Speaker
I would not do well with that. I'm so impatient. I'd be like, I gotta know. if yeah If I was in something, I was like, tell me. Yeah, it's a lot resisting urges or just like thinking, oh, I want to text that person and then I just get distracted from something else. and then And then usually it's like late at night that I had those thoughts like, oh, I got to contact that person. But it's like 3 a.m. m and I'm like, i can't do that.
01:51:36
Speaker
Right. I can't because like the the short, i'm I'm doing a short film where I'm playing a dishwasher and I just played a dishwasher and a micro budget last year.
01:51:47
Speaker
so i want to, I've been meaning to like contact those directors because i want to know how it's doing. I'm like, ah it's a perfect, you know, like conversation starter. Like guys, guess what? I'm playing another dishwasher again.
01:51:59
Speaker
I found my type. you know Yeah. Yeah.
01:52:04
Speaker
Hey, this a former dishwasher. It's a great it's a great role. That's a real dishwasher.
01:52:12
Speaker
Yeah, it's a grind. I can only do it on on and on for for a movie. It's definitely, a yeah. Just f fucks up your hands, you know, for being in water. Even even if you have gloves on, you're like, oh, man. Yeah, I'm just slutty.
01:52:28
Speaker
When I worked in the kitchen, like, I remember the the dishwasher guys, they were always the guys who were on Molly, but they were always the happiest guys, you know? Probably Molly. I would show up stoned for those shifts often because I could just be back there with music on. So, yeah. Yeah. I feel like that would be how would have to get through it because, like, it's just, you know, doing a lot of the same things over and over again, putting hours on end every day. Yeah.
01:52:53
Speaker
I feel like, Doug, at least you'd have better music than the guys that I worked with. You know? I was complimented by manager. They'll be like, wow, where have you heard of this? I'm like, oh, i don't know. Yeah, it was fun because the character I was playing in the movie also was like, he wears headphones and is always listening to music when he's working. So it just I got to do a similar kind of thing, which was, you know, it was fun.
01:53:14
Speaker
Obviously the fake version, but still. No, that's authentic though. That's the authenticity. That's what we were talking about. I was legitimately listening to music for those takes because like I didn't want to just like mime and get everything wrong. like I wanted to like actually have a song my in the in the headphones that I was listening to.
01:53:31
Speaker
i don't know. Hopefully they'll use it in the actual movie, but we'll see. Yeah, it's that attention to detail that pays off. And then Tony, i mean do you and i have anything you want to Yeah, I guess I'll plug that. ah A, ah the Larry Fessenden interview is happening next week. Oh, that's awesome. Get ready for that. um And then ah the second thing is for Two Cents Critics, ah I just did an episode on Better Man, the Robbie Williams film. Oh, cool. That a fun movie. I enjoyed that one. Yeah.
01:54:04
Speaker
get hyped for that episode. But beyond that, you know, like this is, this is the main thing, you know, like, Oh, you know what? Also unsourced wall radio. That's where you can find ah Doug and I, you know, like we're doing ah the children of the corn movies over there. i mean, maybe we'll bail on on it after three. We will see.
01:54:24
Speaker
Jared, have you seen any of the Children of the Corn movies? Actually, I haven't. That's one of the one of the horror franchises. I haven't actually dipped my toes in yet, but I know they're fun. I know they're like, they're like, there they're B movies. They're like, but they're bad. Yeah, they're bad, but they're fun though, right? there There's hints of stuff in the first one, but it's like weird. I'm like, this is the one that got like 12 sequels because it doesn't feel like there's a lot that much to mine. And they probably don't really mine anything, huh?
01:54:54
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, there's cool time cups. Yeah, we did. We had a conversation, like on that episode, where we're just like, if this is gets this as bad as we think it is, then we're pulling the ripcord and we're moving to the howling instead. oh my God.
01:55:09
Speaker
Yeah, there's only satback there's only six of those, right? Seven, actually. Wait, how many children on the corns are there? Twelve. Twelve? Yeah, twelve. And they're all like the same movie, basically.
01:55:21
Speaker
Well, they did a remake. Yeah, I remember the remake that came out a few years ago or you're whatever. Yeah, i'm ah I'm assuming the sequel is just going to be like an an adult shows up and it's like, oh, these kids are creepy. Yeah. Yeah, they all killed their parrot. I don't know. like because Like, what else are they going to Isn't it like a corn creature?
01:55:43
Speaker
they They kind of don't show it in the first one. So I'm interested if other ones are going to have like a bad puppet or something. But I would prefer like ah like a low-budget puppet thing other than the... nu Sometimes it's cool to not see the... Like, because I can... see that when that's executed well but this felt like it was just cheap like're like like oh he cannot um or they just couldn't come up with a design that didn't look like silly corn but like show me the silly corn monster Didn't they show in the remake?
01:56:13
Speaker
Hopefully. I think I remember hearing that people were complaining about like a weird looking monster in it or something. That's better than the first one because the first one doesn't even have a monster.
01:56:24
Speaker
Like the first one is just this like, oh, here is like a a visual layer effect we put on the screen. And that's what it is, you know? know So, yeah. Yeah. You know, I did think of something I want to shout out. Nothing i have anything going to do with. I have nothing to do with it. But, like, I've just been watching the movies the past week, and they've been Moturn Media...
Moturn Media and Narrative Style
01:56:45
Speaker
Hell yeah. ah Matt Farley, Charles Roxburgh. Roxburgh. Roxburgh. Yeah, again. Yeah. I watched,
01:56:58
Speaker
well, obviously Magic Spot a week ago, but then since then I did um Freaky Farley, my murder Murder, Marriages, Monsters, and Nance Vegas.
01:57:12
Speaker
flater The um River Beast. Was that it? those are the The River Beast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The early ones. Yeah, the early ones. yeah Because like even earlier than that, he's got Druid movies. like Yeah. Several movies about Druids. like I haven't even gotten that. I haven't gotten that far. I haven didn't go that far deep. and I know he's got his own like ah the local Legends movie.
01:57:36
Speaker
think that might be what end up watching next, maybe. Yeah. That's like the, you know, slacker of his filmography, right? Okay, okay. ah like like, I know we were rounding out this episode, but i just seen, like, you've seen these Mozart movies, so I need yeah talk to you about them. Yeah. ah The Mange Vegas, I love that movie. Like, isn't that movie just a fucking amazing movie? They're all just, like, they're all, like, really, i love the writing. Like, it's also, like... like ah specific but like you know like it's it's it's it's I don't want to use the word quirky because it's like an overused word but like it's it is like it's like very like enjoyably like quirky and like ah they almost like I almost feel like the the way that I feel like when I watch like a good like Danny McBride show or something like where he's got like his own way of speaking like it feels like that when I'm watching like a Motörn movie almost. like It's like they just have their own way of saying things and it's just very endearing and funny a lot of the time.
01:58:37
Speaker
ah And ah they always seem to go, like maybe with the exception of River B. Sound, I think is maybe the most straightforward plot-wise But like Manchegas and like Freaky Farley like kind of go like on like take like left turns almost like midway through, which I thought were like really kind of goofy and funny. ah Like Troggs and, you know, like the pretty crazy shit. Farley gone becoming a killer and all that. Yeah.
01:59:09
Speaker
Well, Freaky Farley is the only one of their movies that I can, like, directly tie to another movie. Well, because it's like they'd say it's Silent Night, Deadly Night Part 2 or whatever, that structure. Because it I realize that now because it's like, yeah, the first half of the movie is like the clip show where you're watching, like, the first movie's events and then everything after that is movie two, which is, like, kind of neat. neat way of, like, doing it.
01:59:38
Speaker
I like, I've kind of it's kind of the thing, I like it, I think I like it when, like, a movie is like, a you know, it's like the first movie, but it feels like a sequel. Like, like that, the, the fucking, uh, Johnny,
01:59:52
Speaker
a violent nature movie. Oh, yes, in a violent nature. Like, I like that that movie felt like the fifth movie or whatever, like, you know, like, ah in this, like, franchise. So it almost feels a little weird that they're getting a sequel, that that there's a second one coming out. Yes. I'm hoping it'll be fun.
02:00:10
Speaker
Maybe we can save this conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm getting tangents on tangents. Let's wrap this up and then let's return to that point. Okay. Yeah, so. Yeah, The Pit, you had your plugs. I mean, I just have this, you know, find me here. We're going to keep doing pit coverage. Also, just we got some cool movies lined up that we want to cover. And yeah, guess you can follow me on Twitter at the Thug Files where post pit. meet sometime.
02:00:40
Speaker
Yeah, and that's been it. We'll see you next time. The pair. Well, I walked in the pair. You were in the pair. You're building that.