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Euphoria Season 3 Episode 6 & 7
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Uncle Juice's Influence
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Speaker
Uncle Juice is a good man. He's never gonna stop being the Juice. He could explain a lot, Juice. Just hear him out, Juice. He's right, Juice. Listen, Juice. Juice, Juice, this is your life.
00:00:12
Speaker
Juice, Juice, um, please, Juice. Juice, Juice was there for me every night. It's like he's not really the Juice anymore. I gotta get you dressed, Juice. Juice, Juice, I will.
00:00:23
Speaker
Juice, Juice, Juice. Come on, juice. Juice! Juice! They have some juice here.
00:00:36
Speaker
They have some fucking juice.
Introduction to 'These Guys Got Juice' Podcast
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Speaker
Welcome to the shit show. I mean, this is These Guys Got Juice with our groundbreaking Euphoria coverage.
00:00:49
Speaker
You know, that no one else is having these important conversations. And that's why we need to have... Because nobody else cares. i mean, i are are people I'm not paying attention to the ratings. Like, I know they're down from like previous seasons, but are is there enough of a like thing there that the HBO might be like, hmm, don't know. Maybe we should call him back for for another season. You know
Euphoria Ratings Trends
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Speaker
what, Doug? I haven't checked. mine I want to do right now. how Right. Because like I would assume I would assume this. i one to No. Yeah. I mean, this is this is what we do. Real time research. Some people show up prepared with stuff. That's bullshit. We we try and give it to you on. OK. OK. Hold on. i Hold the hold the phone here. It actually seems like before you season three is on the uptrend.
00:01:39
Speaker
From season two, because season two was ah way down from one. and then this is actually, yeah, if we're looking at the same numbers, like I'm Wikipedia has like the numbers next to the episodes. But that's that's crazy. That's insane to me. yeah Like just for the listener at home, I'm seeing like a stop. That is something. You know what? We are eating crow, Mr. Levinson. We. and And weirdly, because normally it's like a season premiere and then a finale are like the highest rated episodes. Like there's more there's episodes that are higher than the premiere, like in the middle of the season. I'm trying to since
Artistic Criticism of Euphoria
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Speaker
these this all the shit blurs together. i'm like, what happened in those episodes? Was was that like when Sydney Sweeney was giant and her tits were in the windows and one of them? I think that has to be for one of them.
00:02:27
Speaker
But Just look at each of the different users based on which fetish catering. Right. Right. And then just gauge with the audience score based on like how. Well, one episode was catering to have Gunwell travel fans and they're pretty active online. So yeah I think that's that's why that episode has a boost. It's just Tarantino and his friend. I just imagine like it with a bunch of like neckbeard form dwellers. They're like, come on, guys. You know, you know, that old Western. we all love it. Roger. Flat earther. No. Just like enjoying it. Like that's the kind of thing to do like the neon Western anymore. um But the sense when you're watching, but it's like there's when everything was like this, there was a lot of bullshit. Well, but even, even, even that garbage was still, i would put miles ahead of this, like what we're watching. because like, like there's some,
Character Development Debate
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Speaker
sometimes that stuff had some kind of artistic intent. Like this is, this is the same level as like, ah like,
00:03:24
Speaker
stranger things of like where it's just pastiche with not like any identity of its own because it's like the characters that I was attached to, ah they're gone. Like there's there's those actors that played them are there in the show ah for now. I mean, there's we'll get into it. But one of the... I mean, whatever. One in particular is done. One in particular is gone for sure. I mean, yeah, we don't have to hold back on spoilers.
00:03:51
Speaker
So Lord, he made it out. like So I guess good good good job, dude. He defeated the escape room in record time. but i I wonder if he was just like Harrison Ford, like in Star Wars, he just like just as like, please kill me. Just like, please, please, can you please kill me. Yeah. So like we just like now that like he's out of dispatch from the show, like on the show, nervous of him not wanting to be on the show anymore and him just being like, write me off and go like not nothing that radically compelled o pay off. So it seems like he
Narrative Inconsistencies
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Speaker
was waiting for the first time. Clearly he's ah he wants off. but, but us as the audience, like since all those other scenes just played the same beat over and over, like where a guy gets sent to rough them up, cuts off a finger or a toe or something. and then he screams like a little bitch. Like, it's like funny the first time, but then you keep doing it and it's like, okay, this is the same joke. You're being this into the ground.
00:04:43
Speaker
And, and then, and then he literally is in the ground and it's like, okay, well, if that's the payoff, you should have killed him at like at the beginning. He should have died on his wedding episode or something. Yes.
00:04:54
Speaker
Like, well, like that was what I was going to say, too, where it's like this stuff should have already killed off from the show. I have no problem with that. I don't like get off, you know, but this decision to hold them on, hold on for as long cheapens the fact that he was there in the first place. Right. Right. And then also one thing I was like, it's like any kind of open up the coffin and then also don't show me this. Go show him in the car. Show
Lack of Thematic Depth
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Speaker
us opening up the car. You don't even really need the setup of the snake. I mean, you know, like there was the Hitchcock quote of suspense is like, you know, there's a bomb under the table and the audience doesn't know. But that's like you're you're building you're building on that dramatic irony to like.
00:05:36
Speaker
build tension within the scene there's nothing that we gain through the digging and like that whole showdown encounter leading up to to it with alamo there and all that like that's just and then all the stuff we had to get there fucking suck too so it's like by the time that they're digging him up i'm just exhausted i'm like we just what are we doing yeah everyone should be in a coffin well Like, ah yeah we're ahead of these characters, right? Like, we don't care about. I'm wondering what people are getting out of the show. And just to go back to the holding the gap on biblical right, because I think clearly trying to pull it back up and others, the snake at the Alamo, right? Like I have this introduction to this and it just speaks to like some kind of insider word or that, you know, hold it off. Yeah. Why are there two snakes? It should be the same snake. It should have been Alamo's snake. It's a way they're like, oh, where's Alamo's snake?
00:06:27
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check off snake and i also just don't like the fact that like what was once a petty drama pretty little liars on crack kind of show is now just like focusing on three different yeah and and and like would be fine if the gang back you know you've got good actors leading them
Comparative Critique with Other Filmmakers
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but like as a collective i'm like these are not interesting and they're just like 14 year olds not even in a cartoon e way because it's like okay you got the nazis now you got the blaxploitation cowboys and like i know oh and then the the fucking armenian like uh coffin makers and so like that i mean of those three it is so if the bit had any other notes just the the novelty of like a cough a funeral home or coffin makers that also like bury people alive because they're gangsters is like fun but like the payoff to that like i said takes so long to get there that i'm not i'm not deriving any fun i'm just sick of it by now by that point because i'm like all right these guys don't do anything else they just cut off fingers and toes like can you show me like another mode or something it More so just feels like we are aware of where it's going. It's that point where it's like, well, why did we carry? We didn't even need the wedding. If this was where it was going to my eyes. Right. his Character has nowhere to go. All that stuff was to trick us up front. You know, yeah it's almost as if Sam Levinson was thinking about was thinking about, you know, how people were as it was coming out. Right. And he was going like, oh, I'll trick people. Actually, a part of this. Pull the rug from. He'll be like, oh, my God, you can be Lord. And it's not that. Because he never felt like he was a part of it other than the wedding episode where i guess he interacted with the most other actors. Like he's, he's just been in his own thing. Like I kept calling it like a shitty Coen brothers movie and like, yeah, that's, that's what it was. And then we just get like a shitty Tarantino riff payoff, like of, of it with the coffin bit. Like it's like none of it. Like, Yeah, like on paper, do I like that? Like, oh, this this ah toxic abuser asshole manipulator, like he just spends the whole season failing and then dies like that's that's like a funny idea. But like, yeah, it doesn't. In theory, yeah, but it's not like earned or connected in any way to the character that we knew. We could could have made without just turning him into a new guy. You can make that a believable transition of like, yeah, a guy like that out in the real world, realizing that he doesn't have like the kind of power he did in high school like that. That's a real kind of person. it just never...
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ah That's not don't connect on any of these characters anymore. Like Rue a little bit at the
Social Critique Attempts in Euphoria
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Speaker
beginning. You can maybe see of like, OK, I can see how the Rue we know got into this scenario. But then it's just so far gone from anything, especially with all the religion bullshit that it's like. I don't I don't I don't know. I mean, I know how it's probably going to end with her, like, you know, like embracing Jesus or something. But like that's is is that assuming HBO doesn't, you know, renew it or there's no more. And this is the end.
00:09:34
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They're not calling it the series finale. But if it is because some because some shows don't get a definite answer by the end of the season, then they just are never renewed. So that could easily happen. yeah and And there's a chance that like months from now, they'll just like surprise it out on a new site. Yeah. and And as you're saying, they're being very coy about it. I think it's because, like, Sam Levinson just wants have another meal. Right. Like, he's lost all of his options. He sees these ratings, and he knows he's like, still got it. Yeah. People want me, you know? And, like, unfortunately. Yeah, it's just, it's just I guess that people are easy to rage bait. I guess i guess it's just the...
00:10:07
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You know, I said the show used to be somewhat inspired by his own experiences with addiction. So like Rue was probably initially the character he saw himself in most. And now I'm just thinking like, oh, is the character is he's he's Cassie. And Cassie's going on those right wing talk shows, the rage bait, just so she can get like more clicks and stuff. I'm like, well, that's, that's what he's doing. And ah even this dumber version of Cassie is better at it than he is. Cause he's not like,
00:10:38
Speaker
it's not It's not even a good provocateur-ing, you know? Like, it's a like I'm not... I'm not being provoked in, like, a way
Speculation on Character Development
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Speaker
like, oh, i'm like oh my God, i can't believe... It's like, yeah, I can believe what he's doing, and that's kind of the problem, that this all just...
00:10:54
Speaker
feels so predictable. the framework which like something could be provoked having like oh it's this awkward setting with these awkward types of people and i think that there needs to be a bit more of a subversion something we're not making it so over overt and it's just the fact that it's so obvious in its provocation that it just makes it fall it's flat and If we're going to jump around to Carrie, like brought up Cassie, we'll talk where she is in the season now where it's like she has this chance of getting into l L.A. nights, but then it starts to fall apart because of her work and where she had already deleted her only thought that she had made it. And we're starting to see like I think we called this on prior episodes. It's like starting to see like everything building crumbling. She's not in control of it. And I think that we're going to see her lose control point where Cassie's going to lose it all. i lose it all in terms of like any kind of uh like dignity that character has will be like she she's gonna end up just like stripping at the or whatever it was it called the silver slipper or whatever the alamos join or ors yeah or or just being straight up just you know like yeah she's she's there she's gonna be turning tricks or something like like that's that's the in like best case scenario at this point right like best case scenario that she's with like the you know like yeah there's no like
Narrative Logic and Consistency
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good ending for her unfortunately yeah that's pretty bleak and then ah but of course her judgmental sister is getting promoted off of the tease of her getting on the show so it's like yeah, what are we doing with this fucking moralist? Like, whatever. If the show, I'm not expecting, you know, Lemonson to be a woke king or whatever, but it's like, even if you're going to do some kind of regressive, like, like, okay, leaning into like, if this is like some kind of neo-Nor, neo-Western, you want to do like a crime doesn't pay, but in this case, it's like sex work doesn't pay. And then you end up, you know, like digging your own grave in that sense. It's like, but this is such a dull, obvious way of doing that. oh For sure. without it's It's just ah talking down. It's bringing up time topics without like um ultimately Sam left to cover
Analysis of Thematic Elements in Euphoria
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these topics and he knows it. And i think the audience to a certain degree doesn't care. And and he's making he's making exploitation. Right. That's what Aria is always was. And it's leading into just like a different version of that. Problem is, is that this is actually less well crafted than the And specifically with the Cassie character, you know, like it's just like pushing all of the stuff that was the dumbest about her to the nth degree and going to her sister, you know, the Maude Apatow character. We're going to do another fucking is this play about us, I think, in the next episode. Yeah, yeah. We're going to see like a a chunk of L.A. Nights if I were. And it's going to be about fucking Rue. Probably. i mean, there'll be some Cassie in there, too. But yeah, like. You know, like when it comes to stories about sex workers, there's definitely been so much discourse around like filmmakers, like whether, you know, Sean Baker's work is exploitive of of that career choice. and And it's like, well, even if you have that critique, I think people who have that viewpoint would at least have to concede that Within those stories, there is like empathy for like he's they're they're portrayed as characters, like like people,
Character Depth Critique
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you know, like there's their dimensional, like the other flawed and messy, but they're like human.
00:14:07
Speaker
ah There's it's also important to to to make the distinction that like Sean Baker, I don't like sex work as bad. he sees no a thing that happened. Right. And I think that Sam Levitz's sex work as like a moral cultural decay, right? Like he sees it as like the fact that it is as popular as it is speaks to something wrong with society rather than a reflect the way that society is built. How do we accomplish, how how do we tackle those? no That's the real conversation. That's because he's coming at it from a place of privilege when, you know, yeah ah Sean Baker has like, seems to have a good understanding of poverty and like what that experience entails and like the, why. He was a heroin junkie. Right. when When he made that, that takeout movie or whatever, he was living above a Chinese food restaurant, like taking heroin, going to film school classes where he shared classes with Todd Phillips. Imagine that experience.
00:15:01
Speaker
Like, Imagine being a heroin junkie film student and you're in class with Todd fucking Phillips. I lose it. Make you rethink your life choices. And yeah, not not to invalidate Sam Levinson's own experiences with addiction, but I just don't think his word is like, I don't i don't thinkt think he's struggled in that same way.
00:15:23
Speaker
Well, I don't think that ah Sean Baker necessarily came from like, you know, you know, super low class family or whatever, but fuck Sam Levinson's dad's Barry fucking Levinson. So it's like, there's a, there's a, there's a floor to how far you can fall when you're like, regardless of like how actively you are fucking up your life. Like it's, it's kind of like, you know, like if you're a Nepo baby, sometimes it almost feels like that's your job to push it of like, how much can I fuck up and still like keep this afloat? Like, I think, you know, Chet, Chet, chet hanks is a poster child for that uh hunter biden time hunter biden you know like like that's they're they're they're good at that there are kids that will go through their entire lives and will accomplish nothing right and you'll hear like oh like uh so and so's kid just died and you're just like oh and they did nothing all right whatever go get right you know uh oh excuse me if like i don't know mike myers is you know how to add a peaceful life Good for them. You know, yeah you won the lottery, you know, you know, I going to be upset about their obscene wealth? Sure. You know, ah but at the same time, ah
Comparison with Other Cinematic Works
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Speaker
you know. But I'm also not begging him to do like a Ken the Hat legacy sequel where he plays like the son of Ken the Hat or something. Exactly. I don't need them to force themselves into a celebrity star. Right. And with Sam Levinson, it feels like I feel like when I imagine what kind of person who's at parties getting too fucked you know.
00:16:46
Speaker
at these like, you know, Hollywood rich kid nip up parties and that's probably where his space was. Right. So it's like it's very clear to see like, you know, the kind of. um And it it seems like now whatever kind of trying to tell, it feels further away from whatever dark space origin of euphoria was. And now we come romantic. Yeah, um there was at least a through line.
00:17:07
Speaker
Yeah, there at least was a through line with Rue in season one with that. But like now I like you said, he's so removed from it. Like, I don't I don't know where he what he's drawing from other than like fantasy versions of these things. Sorry, i interrupted your thought. No, no, no. No, that was it. Yeah. you Continue.
Flaws in Storytelling Techniques
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Speaker
ah I don't know if I had anything else on on that. But yeah, no. its talk about ah We should talk about the opening because we we flashed to Coleman Domingo. I wanted to bring this up specifically. Oh, wait, wait. We also, since the last one we did, we didn't also didn't do episode six. So do we do we want to say anything about that? Alamo's riveting backstory. I saw some people be like, low-key, kind of a good backstory. Or or or I saw someone even post like, I want a spinoff about Alamo's mom. I mean, good good actor. like you know like like Just like the rest of the show. like you have You have strong ensemble. ah But...
00:18:09
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What's, you know, the takeaway is like, ah ah, his mom was like a con and a con woman. And, yeah you know, that that's he realized they trust no bitch. Basically, like, like, that that that is it was a long, elaborate way to say that of like, yeah, women be lying. So that's why he can't trust them. yeah And now he must traffic them.
00:18:33
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. The the the intro is just an elaborate like way to explain somebody's misogynistic worldview. um And it's it's to imagine somebody wanting a full series out of that is hard to me. But when it comes to that episode before the one that just came recently, um like I feel like the one before the one that came recently was a lot of setup for this next episode. Right. Beyond that, like we we get the the conclusion of the arc of, you know, Zendaya's head getting hidden. Right. with the bar all i was shutdding i thought I thought she was dead for sure. No. Yeah. It was the video. visual of her head in the ground while she's on speakerphone with Faye is like, it's cute, but like it's every it's like everything else in this season, it's all in service of stupidity. So like, I can't, I can't even enjoy the the fun, like banality of their conversation because I forgot what what ah Chloe Cherry's even talking to her about or something, but it's just... it's like drawn out conversation. So there's like awkwardness there like everyone's listening to her while her head's in the sand. Like that could be a fun setup, but it's, he's too in love with all these scenes are way longer than they need to be because he wants to, he wants us to hear this dialogue and be like, wow, what a wordsmith. Can't believe he went. Something that had a like alt-right pipeline, the the Nazi pipeline, right? And like beyond the baseline, like, oh, she likes the fact that he gives her a text, right? Why is this the place that she's decided to sell, right? Like, it's, I, I, I don't, I get it.
00:20:06
Speaker
You know, Faye has never been like a smart character, right? To make a Nazi. Like I'm sure. I think like the dumbing, the dumbing down of all the characters in this is pretty atrocious to the fact, like you said, like Faye was never the smartest character. She just hung around Fez and got high and would be like, say spacey things.
00:20:24
Speaker
And I don't mean Kevin space. She wouldn't say, let me be Frank or anything. Although that'd be, that'd
Cultural Critiques and Character Arcs
00:20:29
Speaker
be pretty funny. Now, Chloe Cherry and house of cards, do it. Netflix. euphoria season four it's going back to its roots they're going to israel and you guessed it it's gonna every episode's gonna end like twin peaks the return it's just him in a club yeah just like him coming out there's a red curtain no no sorry blue and white blue and white yeah yeah
00:20:53
Speaker
I mean, i'm not I wouldn't not watch it, but no, to to your point, like it doesn't really make sense other than the like, yeah, ah she likes the attention, but it makes her a character that, you know, didn't have a super ton of death before, but it just flattens her. It makes her so shallow to the point where.
00:21:13
Speaker
of incredulity where I'm like yeah is she because I can buy the fact that she's going along with it yeah for the attention and then the opportunity to rob him like that makes more sense for her character but then the fact that ah you know like the end of the last episode when she's like oh there's no money in the safe like and and then she's going to rat out her friend immediately like she's going to take it personally she's gonna like flip it around and be like you lied and though rationally that's not right she was gone like the moment that she got the fucking swastika right like the situation where it's like you let that happen to you're like you know oh what what happened well they play that scene for laughs because like like she doesn't even know what he's she's getting she's like is it a butterfly and then he's like yeah something like that but it's like okay But they're playing it like she knows it and they're playing it like she's like, oh, like it's kind of like, right? Like that's the way the show's handling it, which is bizarre, you know, like and rather than having to say about, you know, lower class America's obsession with that and the contradict what that says about the American condition. Instead, it's just using that as a shock. It's like, yeah, it So like, do you have anything to say about that? Yeah.
00:22:23
Speaker
Go a step further. especially in tino would go further than that you know yeah and it would it be messy and problematic probably but at least it would be a statement you know ah you know i would rather have jango and chain than Bold statement. Bold statement. And I rarely say that. Even other Tarantino movies, I don't say that, too. Yeah, no, Jango and Jane's one of his worst in my i mean I mean, you know, with a cast like that, there's some fun to be had.
00:22:55
Speaker
Fun needle drop. Sure. uh, and like a really, really cool action set piece, you know, like that remix with, uh, Tupac and James Brown. Like, yeah, yeah. That's, that shit's really cool. But like, it's a three hour movie. Most of it is not that, uh, I would, i fucking sucks. i would i have a bad movie I would say hatefully like like eats its lunch like in terms like his Western ah you know plays like and that one that one is like so much more restraint like he's that's what I don't get which I mean I guess I do get because he he thinks too much about like what other people's reactions to his stuff is. That's what the whole like 10 movie rule bullshit is. But it's like, you know, your best movie is Jackie Brown, but he won't make another movie like that because of the tepid response to it. But it's like... you should yeah And he also doesn't like the fact that people said that it felt the least like his work. Right. He wants his stuff to have that authorial voice. So he's upset that people see a detachment. jack Sometimes you can pull your style back and still be good. You know, like yeah directors who have inherent style that aren't so self-conscious. Yeah. Do bears here into you.
00:24:09
Speaker
And while we're at it, do better. Sam Levinson is this. This is a fucking mess. Going back to other characters, Rue, horrible character now, just like completely aimless is turning into like a fucking afterschool. sp that Like her dialogue. um Do you think God forgives all sin or of whatever she says? don't Uh, so did you see the, uh, uh, the, the actress who plays her mom, uh, put out a story this? Uh, did you see? No, no. Nika, Nika King, think I believe. Yeah. What was her story? Like she filmed an entire sequence for that, you know, like she filmed the entire other end of that phone call. Right. And then only see her cut to that one line. Right.
Narrative Depth and Engagement
00:24:50
Speaker
And like, apparently she told all her friends and family, she's like, I'm on euphoria this four years. I'm back on euphoria. Yeah. And then has that one line, you know, and while I'm watching that sequence, I'm just being like, why are we not seeing her? know, like, well, especially Fesco. They make her. Yeah, that's so I mean, we'll talk about that. It's fucking I hate that. But like.
00:25:10
Speaker
the The fact that the mother is supposed to be such an important part of her motivation in this. Like, she is aimless, but her she keeps telling Coleman Domingo her motivation for going through with this thing is, like, they threatened my mom. So, like, like that that' she keeps reverting back to that. I have to do this for her Shouldn't we see that full thing? Shouldn't we, like, read should remind us of it? I mean, we know in theory that Rue has a mom, but like, you know like show us some concrete evidence about that and that connection. The first part of the show was about how she was an addict and how it personally affected her mom and her sister. And like the sister doesn't even exist anymore. right
00:25:54
Speaker
Like, like that's another element of, of the show. That's completely, you know, the, what made it so special. I mean, good for storm read. I mean, I guess she's, court yeah, she's doing other stuff. Right. Yeah. She's, she's in stuff. Uh, nothing I've seen. to Have I seen any of this stuff? I thought she had like, so i don't know.
00:26:11
Speaker
Oh, maybe. ah OK, the is missing a sequel to the searching or it's like it's like in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah. And that was pretty good. Did you ever see that? I saw searching. I didn't ever saw missing. Missing is missing is a little ah goofier, right? Like it's it's it's little too self-serious at points. So it's a little you can you can laugh at it at points. um But i I still enjoy it. It's still a good time. I feel like searching had a tinge of that. it just hit it a little better. The goofiness and the disparity between the seriousness and that a little better. And then by the end, you, you kind of really like, Oh, okay. This is like a little schlockier than, than it's presenting itself as, uh, but yeah, I, I really liked that first one. Yeah. And I'd highly recommend missing if you liked searching. It's definitely not in the war. of the like I mean, no nothing else. da That's a ah class of its own. one hundred percent well ice Ice Cube should be on this. Euphoria season three. Yeah. ah He could be Elmo Brown's dad. Oh, there's an idea. Or his brother or something. They're the same age. Yeah, they're probably the same age. But I'm just saying, like, in and Sam Levinson's limited worldview, going to have to be related to what we we only have a couple
Speculation on Narrative Directions
00:27:26
Speaker
black lineages here that we can tie him to. No, oh no, no, Doug, I figured it out. If we're looking from that perspective, right, Sam Levinson's reductive view of, like, you know, black people, whatever. Cousin. That's what he's going to Yeah.
00:27:40
Speaker
That's what put in my room. Uncle. If you'd ever heard about Rue's extended family, you know shows up. yeah Uncle Cube. How come you never come to the cookout? first line You high again. Dumbass. He slaps her side. Even just swearing, like just like like having nice cube isms, you know, like.
00:28:07
Speaker
but like would genuinely I would genuinely enjoy this show because like we have Rosalia on here right as the the stripper with the neck bracelet on. i would love it if there were more musicians who were just like quoting their song lyrics on this show. like Kid Cudi shows up and he's like, it was just on a pursuit of happiness. you know I mean, kid he's a fun screen but presence. i'm never going to say he's the best actor ever, but I've enjoyed him and thinking like everything I've seen him in X. He's fun. Yeah. I never saw the Need for Speed movie. ah He's good in it. ah Inexplicably, that's the film where Rami Malek gets naked. ah I did not know that. Maybe, maybe I should watch Need for Speed.
00:28:53
Speaker
yeah funny his character's arc makes no sense in Silent Night but Kid Cudi's good at grimacing and selling that he's an angry cop he's also underrated his season of Comedy Bang Bang he's he's pretty good like you obviously he's no Reggie Watts or ah Weird Al but like i think I think he fits into the dynamic pretty good well did you did you see fucking Stephen Colbert what he did recently oh the public access thing did yeah did you watch that I didn't watch it yet, but I, people were saying like, cause here's the thing. It's like, ah these late night, uh, comedians, when they get come under fire, like I got to defend them because it's like a fascist is trying to silence them. But then I'm like, I don't think there's any of them are funny or, you know, like Colbert hasn't been like really on for like a while, but I heard like, he's kind of like locked in a little bit in, in this, uh, uh, yeah, this public access thing. The secret sauce, the thing that nobody will tell you without watching it, right, is that he doesn't have like his usual band. he just has Jack White there with like a tape deck that's just like, you know, loading songs on through the tapes and playing them for the outros, right? And beyond that, Jack White is just the co-host. like Jack White is doing bits, like riffing with them. And like Stephen Colbert jokes, right? Like does his usual like, you know, here's the setup because of something that's been in the news.
00:30:17
Speaker
Here's the punchline. You know what I mean? Like that kind of delivery. And he'll do that rapid fire. But then he has like things that are far more organic. Like he has on the show. Come on. He'll talk about like ah local politics and like local squabbles. Right. Those were the things I really appreciated. And then also just to have Jack White of all people chiming. I feel like he's like the perfect kind of person where he's not trying too hard. Yeah.
Character Focus and Narrative Balance
00:30:41
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He's Jack White. Right. Like I feel like Jack White figures where he is genuinely not trying too hard. You know what i mean?
00:30:46
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I mean, i don't I wouldn't even say it's a hot take. If someone told me my favorite Elvis performance is Jack White in Walk Hard, ah it's it's pretty great. Look out, man. oh Only two people know karate, the Chinese and me. yeah Have you seen any clips from ah this special at all or no? No, no. I've just seen like the thumbnails shared of it. i will spoil I will spoil one thing because I haven't even said who else comes on this thing. Right. Because there's two other huge celebrities who show up. um But ah there's a moment where they do a taste test of chili dogs. Right. There's apparently like two different chili dog chains in Monroe. They're like competing. So they like do taste test of them. ah But rather than like cutting the hot dogs in half, they do the lady in the tram.
00:31:31
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Each end of it. Nice. And and it like, it's like, it sounds like Jimmy Fallon fucking, you know, ah you know, it sounds terrible, but it's because it's Jack white. And because like Steven Colbert is not getting into shit. It works. really Sounds good. it Sounds good. ah I feel like earlier in our coverage, I made claims just based off randomly off of what IMDb listed as like, who would be in the cast because it had the ah Hunter, ah you know, Schaefer's ex. Dominic Pike. Yeah. He was listed in the season, but it like you know i was like, that is does not make sense like story-wise or or logistically. Just hold the phone, Doug. We've got an hour and a half left. do you you think he's going to show in the finale? He's going to show up to her sugar daddy's penthouse. Since that's the only set they let Hunter Schaefer occupy.
00:32:26
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ah okay exactly she went, she went to the TV set once, you know, ah to the, the, the LA nights or whatever. So she could draw her dick painting. Yeah. Here's what they'll do. they'll they'll They'll have it. So it even actually started to go back to the LA days. She was on that set, right? But nobody else was on that set with her. So actually what it was, was they built a separate l LA set for her to shoot in to make it look like it was her on that l LA set. And then got Because,
Narrative Expectations vs. Reality
00:32:53
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because yeah Lexi is the only one who interacts with her in those scenes. It's a, and then it's just Lexi showing it to, or I think she's there for one scene where Sharon stone is like reacting to the painting. Maybe it's hard to piece it. It's shot differently. Yeah. It's, it's a, it's a different set. I a hundred percent, but I, every time i remember Sharon's stone is in this, I get sad.
00:33:21
Speaker
yeah What's she doing here? What's she like? that Like she's supposed to be like stamp where it's like here, like, like character. I can't believe we've got you in stone. Like Oliver Hoven. Well, because especially because that storyline is so flat, like all the storylines doesn't have anything to to say, but it's just such just like. Like, when's the last time I've seen her in anything? And and it's like, yeah, I don't know. Like, to waste it on this, it's it's blasphemy.
00:33:50
Speaker
I mean, I never saw Nobody 2. Maybe she's great in that. Sure. Nobody 2. I like Nobody 1 more. yeah I mean, hey, the guy who knows exactly one plot structure.
00:34:01
Speaker
If you plug Bob Odenkirk into it, it's pretty fun from from for first nobody. At least I haven't seen the new one where it's not the same character, but the same writer and producer.
00:34:13
Speaker
And so I assume it's all it's also everyone's out to get Bob Odenkirk, who's a secret badass. right like that's probably the the plot of normal yeah and it's fucking ben wheatley too right isn't it ben wheatley directed it yeah so it's like all over the place in that sense that that looks like one that's gonna just like you know come like everyone's gonna forget that one even happens it's already on demand i should i should download uh ben wheatley watch it on your fridge ben wheatley what is it's good on uh, when you used to like make, like, I'm not going to say he was like movie the best guy ever, but like, you know, they're, they're, they're, they're the movies had like things in them.
00:34:53
Speaker
Um, yeah I, but on that noticeable decline. On that note, I will, if he wants to make Schlock, he needs to like lock in and adapt the rest of the Meg novels. Cause he did the Meg sequel. And I know, i know there's like a Loch Ness monster crossover with the Meg in those novels. And then there's also trying time travel. They go back to the Jurassic ah era or something. So Ben, come on, deliver.
00:35:22
Speaker
It's chop chop. Also, I just like this this world that you're, ah you know, proposing where it's like almost a giant monster kaijus, but it's strictly water based. Right. Yeah. That's something you don't see every day. Right. I think that people could be into that. And those are the scarier ones. I mean, for me, at least the ocean, the ocean's fucking terrifying, like arguably.
00:35:44
Speaker
I wouldn't want to do either. But if you put a gun to my head, like, well, you want to go to space? you want to go into like the type that tight that tight and submersible bullshit? Go to the bottom of the ocean. I'd be like, no, just hold on one second. Hold on one second, Doug. if you an Easy answer there. Hold on. If you're saying those are the two things, because like, I don't think that there's even a Titan submersible equivalent. for some space you know i don't think that there's one one one that's guaranteed to explode yeah well then okay so here's what either use the one with the xbox controller in the deep sea or or you have a whole team of people who are back in in fucking houston who are who are checking in with you every fucking minute you know which one do i want
00:36:33
Speaker
It's a tough one. I don't know. Let's see. don't know. I was really good at Ratchet and Clank growing up. That was a different console. But you know what? My friend had an Xbox, so was able to play both. My friend, I carpooled with that Xbox, so feel pretty confident that I could play. Yeah, I did the combat evolved campaign on legendary. So, you know, not to brag. You know, what makes that Titan story even better, though? That they were all billionaires who willingly paid to do that. Well, sure. Yeah, for sure. was just going to say that the controller wasn't even legit. It was a Mad Cats
Narrative Consistency Issues
00:37:10
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one. Oh, yeah. It's just like some third party shit. Well, Mad Cats is worse than third party. That's like fifth party or something.
00:37:17
Speaker
Yeah, that that's ah the party was over two hours ago and you're still here. What party? There hasn't been a party here in hundreds of years. ah Please. No, sorry. You got the wrong house.
00:37:30
Speaker
Madcats podcast brought you by Madcats. Yeah. Sorry. We just destroyed the brand deals with Madcats. Are we bringing them in? They're going they're going to. Sure. Provocative.
00:37:41
Speaker
They'll hear this. Like, that's what we want to be associated with. Euphoria. That's, that's, that's the market we want to tap. Oh boy. It's different from what they're used to right now, which is just, i don't know, Bitcoin. um But yeah, ah back to euphoria. How come no one's doing Bitcoin in like, cause all the references for this are so dated. It's also murky cause they keep referring to like the pivot point of COVID. I know this is post COVID, but it also doesn't feel like it's contemporary in terms of like set like now, like, like, No, it feels like it's supposed to be the 70s. It feels like it's supposed to be the 70s, but they even with within the like world of the show, I'm like, is it like 2023, 2024 or something, like closer to 2020? It doesn't even feel like we live in a world where it doesn't even feel like they're in a post-Biden world yet. No.
00:38:29
Speaker
No, exactly. It doesn't even feel like Biden even exists in this world. feels like this exists in a world with without Biden for whatever. Oh my God. Can you imagine? It's like, it it's like yesterday. Nobody knows about Joe Biden.
00:38:45
Speaker
Doug, Doug, I try not to imagine. i try not to imagine. It's too terrifying. stupid I, you know, i wake up in the middle of the night. Is he still there? Is he still there? Someone check.
00:38:59
Speaker
Someone check. Is Joe still there?
00:39:04
Speaker
himish patel going around trying to explain the concept of joe biden to people it's like wait a second i could do all the things that joe biden did and then i can get famous you know i could do all of his famous moves get to the next scene and it's talking to about corn pop at the end instead of me going to john lennon's house he goes to corn pop's house it's
00:39:28
Speaker
And instead of it being like a really humble, very like, ah like, oh yes, we've, we've arrived. It's this nice moment. He's just like really aggressive. Just like, I told everyone I knew it. I don't fucking exist. Like he's, he's just really happy that he can fucking love everyone's face that he exists.
00:39:46
Speaker
Oh, I might have to to delete this. Too good a concept. No, actually, they're going to say that we were well actually you're fucked. I'm fine. Yeah. Scarty will protect me. Yeah. Unfortunately. Yeah.
00:39:58
Speaker
Unfortunately, until Canada decides they extradite and then you're fucked. Yeah. Well, they're getting rid of the whole like private information thing, weren't they? Where then I'm at the point where it's like, I'm not true. I don't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dominic Fike is still listed on like it eight episodes and some of those are from season two. But then what it says through 2026. Like here's here's an idea. Right. So we didn't see jewels at all. Like in the last episode. Maybe the intro will be like catching up with spitball because we have been getting kind of catch up. Maybe. maybe we'll get a catch up with Laura because we've been getting catch ups with like fucking Alamo, you know, like who knows? Laurie used to be somewhat interesting before she was explicitly a Nazi. Like she was already like a sex trafficker and like a drug dealer. So like not a good person, but I liked that. I mean, I just like that actress. So like, it's just a fun idea of like, yeah, what if she was a drug Lord? Yeah. Like, but then good in season two.
00:40:56
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to To make that and like so kind of like legitimately threatening. If like anything, making her a Nazi almost takes some of the bite
Intent Behind Narrative Choices
00:41:03
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out of it because the rest of her family is so stupid that like I'm like, oh, so she's like an inbred hillbilly, too, I guess. Like it's like it seemed like she was like more of a, you know, like a few steps ahead or just because of how detached she was emotionally detached, like that that gave her power.
00:41:19
Speaker
But now I'm just like, oh, is she just vacant because she's a hillbilly Nazi? it's it's it's detaching of her character again, similar to other people we'll talk about discussion. Yes, with with Laurie specifically, she's presented as like, you know, a monotone but charismatic character. To make her a Nazi, it's like a hat on a hat kind of thing where it's like, I was already scared of it. And making her like this, it's like you're trying to be edgy against her. So, you know, if he wanted to talk about uh you know far right politics in america there was a way for him to do it this just feels like it's just like way slinging it around you know being as similar to you know the way he writes black people on the show like speaking of how he writes black people on the show colman domingo came back we got like backstory violently i mean like dc there's no like favorite actor
00:42:09
Speaker
what act appears in this my neighbor David Lynch told me she's like holding a pen for some reason she's like this crack pipe is a tool and just like is like a tool is ai just a portal It'll open right up to Mr. Lynch. Mr. Lynch, come back. know, like that's what's happening. Yeah. They're like, why is she here? Just because it's kind of like, and not, not to the same degree as Sharon Stone, because like at least Natasha Lyonne's like a regularly working actress, but it's like, what, what did she read here in the script that was like that?
00:42:45
Speaker
That's good. Yeah. That's interesting. No, I imagine this was a scenario where she was like, Hey, there's a new season of euphoria going on. Can I have a role in it? That's what this felt like to me. Like, and then Sam Levinson's like, Oh, Natasha Lyonne wants to be in my show. And then rather than, you know, like being smart and giving her like I don't know, the Sharon stone role, you know, that would make way more sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's not like Natasha Lyonne would have said no. Right. Yeah. Nothing else going on. um but She got no poker face.
00:43:19
Speaker
Oh, exactly. The inverse of Lady Gaga song. Imagine it just in reverse right now. That's the sequel to was that podcast horror movie?
00:43:30
Speaker
the ah The bad one. Undertone. Undertone. Yeah. Undertone sequel where Lady Gaga songs backwards instead of ah nursery rhymes. honestly probably probably a more enjoyable experience probably more broadly and her well don't underestimate the lady gaga hey well i was gonna say i underestimate them slightly because why why did joker 2 fail huh you can't blame the product is they a perfect product was delivered so The fact that the audience is sure there was two jokers. There's two jokers. So it gave you everything you wanted. Why would like some movies they they promise more and they give you less. This gave you exactly what they promised. You should
Significance of Characters
00:44:11
Speaker
do it would be such a good practical joke and a good bit if he did a third one.
00:44:15
Speaker
like there's there's even less story to elaborate on for a third movie but then announce that especially after how poorly two did it'd be like yeah I'll see it the the third one is just like I don't know, like a retelling of a comic book. Like it's like a comic book slop shit now, all of a sudden, like a clear cash grab. Yeah. Joaquin Phoenix fights Batman. It's just like a normal Batman movie. so The whole humor would be derived from the fact that Joaquin Phoenix was made to do this shit.
00:44:49
Speaker
but then He was like, now here's Joaquin Phoenix in a $150 million dollars like superhero movie. And he just looks pissed as hell. Yeah.
00:45:00
Speaker
Sounds good, though. What you mean? What do you mean? I have to go run into the blue light that's shining into the sky. I don't want to do that. They should know they make it an adaptation of I haven't even read the storyline. I just probably know about the three Jokers, like in the comics, when Batman learns that there's been three Jokers. So the third Joker movie should just be the three Jokers. And it turns out that each was a different Joaquin Phoenix Joker. Well, they set you up to think that that these were been multiple iterations. But then you start bringing in other Joker actors to convolute it to like, do you somehow you somehow coax Jack Nicholson into doing one a one scene cameo where he's just like he's sitting courtside of the Lakers game with like a wig on or something. The only way they could get him was that you have to shoot it at the courtside.
00:45:52
Speaker
he's he's got his pasta or is whatever he's eaten they they they've only set up half of the volume around him because they can't walk the whole view right and they couldn't stop the game so you occasionally see someone like run in front Yeah, exactly. It's there's like clearly they mask them out, but there's like, like it's not perfect. right Yeah. You just see like part of a leg moving through. yeah It's like it's they did a good job, but not good enough job. So like you're watching it. Yeah. As you can tell, we are talking about everything. And there's good reason for that. ah we We talked a bit about Coleman Domenko. There's nothing really that we see about his character that we didn't already know. and talking about, you know, not feeling the impact of COVID. He's the only character who shields that show at that point. um But at the same time, going building up, really, um it feels as though more of these characters should have had these kinds of struggles. You know this is something that happened to everybody. And it seems like the only one who was given something that was interesting. Especially for Rue, because they were emphasizing how hard it was for addicts. And it's like, huh, isn't our main character an addict or something? who
00:47:08
Speaker
I wonder what happened there. How did she do during COVID? I don't know. I hope that like they they show that in the next ah episode, but it's literally just like a 15 second cutaway. Where is this? She's like, it was the worst time of my life. No, it's just another conversation of her on the phone with Fez and she's freaking out. And it is, is is i miss you, bro. This is like horrible. bit of Fucking there's there's been ah trying to think of comedians have done like one, one sided phone conversation ah bits. ah ah there There's a couple that had famous ones, but like those, those were done for, for comedy. ah
00:47:54
Speaker
But like, there's nothing gained here in any, but like our fans of um Angus cloud, like ah who I could say, yeah like I was not like he had a ton of stuff that he was in that I could, you know, rewash on the regular, but he used a great presence. Like I even liked him in movies that weren't great. Like Abigail, like yeah I was just like, I'm just happy to see him.
00:48:16
Speaker
And it's, it's, yeah our world is lesser with, with him gone, but this does not do tribute to him in any way. It's, it's, it's, it's gross. Yeah, no, it it does feel like they're pulling a rip where it's like, oh, well, nothing's really going on. And we don't really know how to add. Sorry about Faye before. is in the whole Folks, Fez, folks are over to her side. Right. And it just feels like such a shit that it's just like like. That deployment of him, because that's like her ah making a Hail Mary because she needs Faye's help.
00:48:46
Speaker
That would have made more sense if they had killed Fez. If there was that linger if there was a lingering scar there. And then so then that then that paints Rue in like a shady light, too, because the show is is abusing, you know, the memory of him. So that would be like ah a moment of like, oh, Rue and her desperation. Oh, that's that's kind of stings. Why does she do that? You know, but instead the show is unironically invoking him in ah in ah in ah in that way. And it's like, why are you doing that? Every time they invoke him, they'll essentially remind of his death. Get you to sympathize with right? has nothing. How this character, like I say, sees as how the audience knows what it's happening.
00:49:26
Speaker
Right? So it's not good storytelling. It's just manipulating everybody. Isn't it sad they die? And you brought it up on previous podcasts we've done. not outside the realm of possibility that they do a Paul Walker. Like the the more they know, the more that this is a possibility. Yeah,
Engagement Level of the Narrative
00:49:39
Speaker
because especially like in those movies, and I think we're both on the same page, we're fast fans, but not going to claim that there's not some ah yeah questionable choices being made, especially when it comes to Brian. I disagree. i i disagree. Everything is perfect in this movie.
00:49:58
Speaker
What if X is just like the end point? Like they don't, that cliffhanger, it seems like everyone died ah Dom's ah on a dam that's exploding with his son. And just like Jason Momoa I really hope that if... If the television series things are true, right? And there's like four of them in production. I hope that all four television shows are just like, you know, essentially like every c series that they're making is just like a set piece within the finale of the second part. Right, right. And then they string them together. And it's just um but the the the second movie. Well, because originally, that's what it is before all that shit came out about Vin, they were planning, it wasn't just going to be a part two. They were talking like, yeah, he was saying shit like there might be another trilogy ah after that. And then The Rock was going to get another thing because they set that up in the last movie too, where he's like, somehow I'm back. you thought you thought we hat You thought we hated each other. We still do, but I buy i came back because of money.
00:51:01
Speaker
I need a new beach house. comes in Black Adam didn't work. I almost said Black Shazam. What's the same difference? Black Shazam didn't work. I'm here. ah I'm surprised that White Shazam worked, to be honest. with The first one's okay. You know, like ah of that era of DC movies, none of them like fully work, but I would say ah Shazam's kind of ahead of the pack in terms of like, it's not as dour and up its own ass, like like some of the the Snyder DC stuff. And then, ah you know, the Zachary Levi of it aside, I mean, well, that that's actually, you know, like at the time you're like, oh, that's perfect casting to play an adult child, you know, like like ah a child who's given an adult body. you're like, yeah, that makes sense. That's that's that's his whole, that's just what he is.
00:51:51
Speaker
So like that that that that tracks. And then the horror filmmaker turned superhero genre thing, like it's not like a blanking on the lights out guy's name, but you like he's no Sam Raimi. Sam Bird? Sam Bird. Andy Sandberg. Yeah, no, I, I, it is Sandberg or something, but yeah, he's no Sam Raimi, but there is something to that juice of like getting a horror filmmaker in that realm because there's like a scene that was like legitimately, I was like, Oh, that's cool. They put that in a ah kid's like these demons are massacring a room of people. That's, that's going to scare some kids. Good. Like, that's cool. I'll never watch Shazam personally. It's just like, I see that trailer or whatever. And I'm just like, that's not, it surprises me whenever, you know, when it continued. And when I saw that clip of Rachel Zegler on the red carpet, right. You ever see that one for the second movie? No. Where it's like, they ask her why she did it.
00:52:45
Speaker
Right. And she was just like, I needed a job. ah I am very much so team Rachel Zegler. I love her. I'm just team Zegler.
00:52:56
Speaker
actors admitting when something was phoned in or that they did it for a paycheck like like jeremy allen right recently it was pretty candid about like how the filming of his him playing jabba's son and in the interview the way he framed yeah yeah exactly No, no. Cause he said like, he made very clear. It's like, yeah, they give you you a script that just has your lines, not even the other people you're off of in the scene. And so he doesn't have any context for any of that shit. And then, and yeah they expanded the role, but it didn't seem like in a way where it's like he was given anything to play or in any way that it was just, just him meeting Jon Favreau at a party and and be like, yeah, we'll give you something. And then they did, but it's not like, yeah.
00:53:42
Speaker
feel like Jeremy Allen White's kind of getting the short end of the stick in terms of like choosing the right roles and stuff like choosing a Bruce Springsteen made by the guy who made fucking Crazy Heart. Bad decision, man. Don't do that. Being in the Mandalorian Grogu. Yeah, you're in a Star Wars movie, but you're in that one. It probably would have even been better to be in the Ryan Gosling one coming out like like that. Oh, geez.
00:54:02
Speaker
Like. I feel like that's like, I'm worried about that one. I'm worried that one's going to cause mass shootings. i I think, I think Star Wars, as we know, I mean, yeah, as, as we knew it, it was dead, but think Star Wars just as a cultural thing is, is dead. Like, and, or, and, or was a, you know, they that was, that, that was like a computer malfunction that that was allowed to happen. That was, that was, that was some like accounting error where they like, oh, shit, we accidentally did something really fucking good. And that's never going to happen again with Star Wars. It's just going to be ah that cowboy hat fucker playing with toys.
00:54:41
Speaker
ah So like that's and that's that's a shame. Like the head
Narrative Complexity and Cohesion
00:54:45
Speaker
it's weird to live in a world where Dune has so much more cultural relevancy than Star Wars. Like that. That's a movie where people are anticipating like Dune 3. Like I'm looking forward to Dune 3. Well, here here's.
00:54:56
Speaker
Like this is something I thought about recently with Star Wars. We're completely off track. And there's certain the things I want to get to with you for you before we're done. But like when it comes to ah Star Wars. Right. um So originally there was this like perception where there was Star Trek and there was Star Wars. And Star Trek was the nerdy one. And Star Wars was the cool And the implication in being the cool one is that everybody knows what Star Wars is. Right. Like fucking grandma likes Ewoks. right so like everybody can watch star wars you throw it on right we're at the point now right where like children are being raised and there are definitely multiple households that are not you know vested in high fighters the rebel alliance what have you right so it it's showing that there is a shift happening and and what i'm noticing and with the whole rigmarole i'm getting people saw star trek and star wars as two separate prisons i actually think that they're actually
00:55:47
Speaker
their their parallels and we see that star trek had started later than the star wars and we're just now seeing star wars catch up to the star trek trajectory meaning that that they're aging out we're at the point now where there needs to be something new something to replace that but we've gotten that yet they're not going to replace it with anything new because they're stuck in the nostalgia loop of eating its own tail like it's one will come out of nowhere one will come out because that's what happened star wars right like it was an independent film right like it's gonna come out of nowhere yeah yeah no that's that that that's that's true uh but but star wars itself isn't gonna do any anything new uh like because it's it won't even within its own world it's just stuck within the same 30 year time span of like okay this took they're just trying to squeeze this much stuff in between like episode three and a new hope they're like did you also know these guys were around doing a thing like don't give a shit, especially when you make the cartoon. I'm sure for cartoons, those shows are fine. You know, like that seems like that's probably Cowboy Hat's expertise is making entertaining cartoon shows.
00:56:57
Speaker
But if you once you start making those cartoons, you can still have them be quote unquote canon. But but once you have them be actually important to like the like live action stuff, you That's that was the biggest fun. Like, that's when the Mandalorian started like falling off a cliff, like in the end because it's like, I don't know who those guys are. I'm not going to go back and watch 60 episodes of that thing. I'm i not even motivated to look up the wiki of like, who is this this guy? with four arms. I don't give a shit. I want it to ever feel like extended universe stuff because the problem universe stuff, any moment it can be removed from the timeline that people could just like go like, yeah, we don't care about that.
00:57:36
Speaker
Right. Like if they decide tomorrow that they're going to make a movie set in that rough timeframe, there's a solid chance that they'll just ignore a lot of this, right? Only recent Star Wars has been in this position to where they would try to incorporate that. that's because Dave Filoni referring to as the cowboy hat. Yeah. But yeah,
00:57:55
Speaker
When it comes to. He's kind of like the white Alamo Brown. Some ways. Some might say. I think that trans ah Star Wars is entering a point where it's going to get put out to pasture. Where like a lot of people in their 40s and 50s will like it. And a lot of people in their 50s and 60s will like it. And then it will become a thing that you see on TCM. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's that's definitely the trajectory. Like, I don't I don't see it being refreshed in any any in any meaningful way that brings people in. yeah um i I see superhero movies like, you know, Iron Man and stuff like that. 20 years from now, do a remake. They'll come back. superheroes can get a a fresh wind. I think ah i yeah, I don't, I don't know that that's going to happen with star Wars. And that, that was the problem is that they tried to make it like Marvel in terms of like it being disconnected universe and stuff. It's like one, you don't have like each of those characters, know,
00:58:49
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could sustain franchises on their own with Marvel. But now you're bringing in characters like just like random cartoon people where I'm like, I don't know or care about those people. So like that's not that doesn't have the same juice as like, oh, you're bringing in people who are fans of Thor. These people are fans of Captain America, the Iron Man fans. Like, yeah, no, it's it's all it's all dumb. Speaking of dumb stuff, euphoria. Yes.
00:59:13
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If we're talking about some dumb stuff specifically, I want to talk about that's Maddie. i think that Maddie was the one who has done the th dirtiest on the most recent episode of Euphoria, where it's like she's tricked into this whole sex trafficking situation, right? You know, fool around with Alamo's toes. How did she not see any of the fact that he was doing sex trafficking coming? How is Rue still being surprised by this stuff so late into the season? How, like, how has this never entered their minds and how is this now? I feel like this would have been like the first question. Like she didn't ask any questions to Rue about who this guy is, even if she didn't get a vibe. And then to make her so dumb, the biggest sin to me is like you make her so dumb that when she's in that hot tub with Alamo that she's like, yeah, Rue's talking about crazy stuff like about Nazis and the DEA. I'm like, girl.
01:00:04
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He's
Impact of Storytelling Choices
01:00:05
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a gangster. he he carries a gun and has goons visibly around him. Even if you're like blind to the sex trafficking part, this is not a man who you want to tell that your friend was talking about law enforcement. Does she even care about Rue? Right. Like at that point. Right. Like if if you know that in the back of your mind and could tie Rue back to the DEA to somebody that she's working with in this line of work. And they sha they were portraying Rue and Maddie as still tight at the beginning of the season, like that she was one of the people that. rue would crash with and confide in and stuff and and and so the fact that that they're doing this now yeah it does i think it's just that they're making her dumb like i don't even think it's supposed to be like she's selling rue out i i think she's in that moment supposed to be completely ignorant to what she's done which is way worse you know in terms of like treating her character because she was never dumb like like that was never of a maddie character yeah Yeah. Like she always knew what was up. Like she was blinded to the Cassie Nate thing, but that was just like best friend blinders. You know, like that was that wasn't like ah her actually being stupid. She just, you know, didn't want to believe that her best friend would would do that. She literally expected better from them. And then explains why she's Jaden this season, which to that degree I got. But now we're at the point where she's become stupid. It's literally just like you could see that coming from a mile away. And there's no reason for us to see why, you know, any kind of enchantment or romanticization she may have had would have blocked her judgment. It's just bizarre the way that and and it makes it so ah I don't feel good about Alexa. They're better. that's the way She deserves better. And it's weird that they were selling her out in in this instance in terms of like the show, I think, wants us to believe that her and Cassie are like closer than ever. i Because like that that's why she goes through all this and makes the deal with the devil with Alamo is to save Cassie.
01:02:05
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And I initially, it is especially like the show's point of view, i was like, oh, was she not just using Cassie to like make money off of? ah But now it seems like, no, she really cares. I'm like, when did that happen? Also, why? There's also a sense that they're trying to be like, oh well, let's put this to bed. Like you've been so obsessed with Nate, what I've been telling you. And like now often let's dig him up all that. I don't think that like, like you said, they're in a place like that, especially that same ad. He fucking slapped Cassie, right? the Become her pin, right? Yeah. and And no matter how much revenge i want to see from Maddie to Cassie, I don't want i don't want to see her. story No, that's not what I wanted. i wanted her to like, like boss bitch her way to like a position of power in like Hollywood or something, you know, like that seemed like that that was like the manager track that she was like going to do something.
01:02:58
Speaker
there But now they're just they're tying her to Cassie's fate. And so it seems like there's nothing good. It's like in store for any of them. Like you said, like they're one out in best case scenario is that influencer. Yeah.
01:03:13
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I guess like the influencer house. Like, and then like, is that, is that the happy? Like, it's like some kind of bittersweet, happy ending of like, oh, they got, they avoided sex traffic, but now they're trapped in the hell that is in the world of influencers. Like, like that's, I don't know. See the hat that he was wearing. i Read what it said. Uh, no. What does his hat say? Violence in movies and sex on. Look.
01:03:43
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is
01:03:48
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I think Harlan could show up in the finale. and I would have much preferred it if he was in the fucking Batman outfit first episode. did Doing a Stewie voice. What the deuce? Right over here.
01:04:01
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ah somebody we haven't caught up on just yet. Jules has nothing to do in the show anymore. ah She slapped finale. She slapped Rue last episode, which was funny. I mean, like, I don't, I don't know that that moment was even supposed to be played for last, but it was funny just because of the editing of it, because like she's Rue sitting on, like on the couch or something like arguing with, with Jules about the, you know, her sugar daddy. And then You know, when she says something to she suddenly transported right next to the painting so that like she can get slapped and the painting can fall on her. So I laughed at that. Right, right. I i was just in bewilderment that like rules has no interior thought.
01:04:46
Speaker
Right. Like the fact that Rue has to say these things to her and it feels like it's the first time countering these thoughts bewildering to me. You know, I thought she was a smarter case as well. You know, like it feels like the only way that the early reason these characters are written this way, they need to have these ah writing, you know, they need to be told. by But it's like to what end were these revelations leading? Because like we theorized earlier, like, is it because Rue and Jules are the end game? Like they keep invoking that like in those confrontations where it's like, well, you want to be with me and then they'll get into an argument or whatever. I'm I'm like, I don't know
01:05:20
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Is that what they want? Like, not even what I want is the viewer. I'm just asking, like, what are those characters want? Because like for that to even make sense, like that that doesn't make sense. I'll go a step further. Hunter Schaefer and Zendaya want, right? It's like sequences like, these you know, there is genuine chemistry. There's sparks. Right now it feels like they're in separate rooms. That feels like they barely like having conversation. are I don't know what's going. I don't know if that's why I don't know if it's, ah you know, both of them are just bis what it It feels like it has to be a scheduling thing, but it, yeah, it just cuts into the emotional core of those characters because whether or not they end up together, like there should still be some engagement when they're in a scene together. ah
Thematic Exploration and Execution
01:06:04
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you know, like if they're ah sharing a space and having lines and emoting, should, I should care what the outcome of that scene is. And instead of there, they're on a loop, like, Like a lot of the arcs are in a loop of like, you know, how Nate just was in the same holding pattern until he died. It's like they're going to have the same argument and confrontation about Jules's choice to be this the sugar baby. And all all these are like first draft ideas for the character. You're like, OK, what's what's Jules up to this season?
01:06:35
Speaker
She's a sugar baby. OK. And then what else? you You sit in this, you just sit in this place. sweet room to fuck. Like it's just like the same thing over and over. It's like, it's the first draft idea exactly as you're saying, right? it's It's surface level. None of this stuff is like, you know, permeating beyond. It's like, what's what's your idea beyond that? Okay, she's she's a sugar baby and you iterate iterate on that. Like...
01:07:00
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Yes, and like, yes, and yourself, you know, you'll forget improv, like just like work with yourself into a more fleshed out idea. is basic stuff and stuff that he used, seemed to used to be able to do that. Like this is, this is getting to the point where I'm like, is this finale going to be worse than the finale of the idol? Can we put a pin that front of the washroom? Okay, sure, sure. Can we do that? But I do want to pick up on that. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. One second. All right. We're back. We said this on, we've already echoed the sentiment on other talks, but justice for labyrinth because, you know, there's nothing the music's place. We have nothing. Like, like I, I, I, maybe I'm tuning it out because I'm tuning the show out, but I'm like, uh, on name, it says Hans Zimmer did the score. But if you were to ask me, what did he do the euphoria season three? I, I don't know what to tell you. Uh, I would guess that he like went to Abu Dhabi. That would be my guess. It's just like, when it comes to the loss of Labyrinth, it's shocking. Especially considering Labyrinth's whole deal was, you know, kind of remade or go and create a possible influence. That would be such a clean way to tie her stuff it now to season one. Exactly. Exactly. Right. It was there. And I don't know what the deal is. I feel like that's a state. You know what it feels like, Chris, because Hans Zimmer is a bigger name. It's like, oh, cool. How cool is it? I got Hans. That's a guy who does like big movies and shit. Like I'm I'm I'm a big dick, dude. Like I'm basically Christopher Nolan. So like, you know, like, I don't give me give me a Zimmer score. Meanwhile, like Hans Zimmer is in like the fucking recording booth and he's got a ham sandwich. And he's, and he's got a million interns around him doing all the work and he's just like, okay, now what else we got this? Like, and he's pulling a five other projects, right? Yeah. That's the problem. When you get a Hans Zimmer, there's not enough identity and the show's really lacking the identity. Whenever it's, it's natural score. The needle drops can be fun from time to time, but whatever, it's just the casual score. It's like some of the, anytime they do like the Western stuff, like they'll do like the classic, ah,
01:09:20
Speaker
but Like, true do do you know, like all that classic stuff. And it feels like the stock version never worked. I would much rather have the yodel or, ah, from Fallout, like the ghouls theme. Like, give me give me, give me that kind of Western, like, throwback stuff. Like, that's, that's, your and that's just, so I mean, of, far superior show but also just like if I'm looking for like some kind of western pastiche like you get you get a bunch of stuff in fallout that's a that's a whole ass meal like that's that's man that just makes me angry thinking about a real tv show so we yeah should probably drop it
01:09:54
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Well, the big problem with Euphoria is that this doesn't have Justin Theroux in it. And not every project can have Justin Theroux in it, but definitely weighing heavy on this one. Especially if you just gave him like like a pencil mustache and he was hes like playing like some kind of Howard Hughes, kind of like a centric industrialist or something. I'm Nate Jacobs' uncle. And am the one who invented the flower. ha ha!
01:10:22
Speaker
Fucking flower. Fuck that shit. Like it was funny. That's the scene in the wedding was funny with the one friend. But like ah there's no there's no payoff to like it's just him like stamp stomping on it and cursing the flower. How bury Nate Jacobs alive and not put the flower on top of his burial. Yeah. How? Yes. Or find some way for the flower to kill him. Like like that. I like this idea because I like the idea of like him stomping on flowers. He slips and he breaks his neck he's like like he's such a fail son that it's just like glad like like yeah getting buried alive is almost too big of a of a thing for how nothing his storyline was so i i would laugh if that would just say yeah if he if he's stomping it and then the one goon comes after him and then he runs and then just fall falls and dies yeah
01:11:15
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Yeah, possibly more dignified than the way that we get. umre We're kind of running out of cares. Gus, we did touch briefly on Maude Apatow's character. She's just slow ranks like she's talking about how everybody else around her is, you know, sick and demented. She's she's a rude, but also kind of annoying about being a new convert.
01:11:34
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Yeah. Like, what do you think about that scene? That that was pretty. funny It's a funny scene, especially like it's like him trying to be self-aware of how ridiculous this season is because it's she's just her reciting plot points of like, yeah, like doing stuff for like, you know, Nazi drug runners and, you know, al mo bra you like I like I like when she's like, you worked with Nazis. I thought you worked for a black cowboy. You know, like, like just saying it out loud makes it more ridiculous. And it should be a moment of like, haha, okay, so you're in on the joke of like how absurd this all is. But doesn't like dynamic in the scene between the characters in that in there is fun. It's just like as of like
Character Development and Alignment
01:12:17
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meta moment, it falls flat because it's like, well, Yeah, you know how absurd this is, but you're not like doing anything into that. Like you're not leaning into it for some kind of Verhoeven like commentary or and you're not like doing anything fun or original with it. So it's like, don't don't try. and It's almost making it sound more interesting than those plot points are because you're like, yeah, wait, she yeah she was working with Nazis and a black cowboy. How is the season fucking boring? That's what's so bizarre about it, right? Because so much of it is possible. um and And also it's been going on with Bishop, our favorite character from Alice, right? The most cowboy of all of them, right? Yeah. Nothing's going on because they're saving the last minute fed reveal that that's, that was, that was on some, some forum Reddit scrolling. That was, that was like a theory people kept posh, like throwing out there. Like, is is it possible that the bishops undercover,
01:13:14
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ah ah you know this show's so dumb at this this point that maybe possibly maybe sure why not maybe the best way to answer because if you're like oh realistically would uh an undercover agent cut someone up a cartel style in the shower probably not but but but wouldn't that be fucking cool if he did Yeah, it just shows how fucked up everything is. Like, fucking even... Even the cops are fucking doing shit like that.
01:13:45
Speaker
It's like, yeah. Doesn't that kind of remind you the state This is just a we live in a society meme. Like, he's like... Yeah, it is. forum edgelord without... Like, those guys are edgier. Like, there's no... whole season the... If you're familiar with the Wise Kids, you know, sketch sex robot where there's a sex robot shows up and is dancing around and just keeps saying sex robot, sex robot. It's like gyrating and dancing. it's kind of has the energy of like, look how crazy this is. Isn't it crazy? I'm a sex robot. Like, don't you want to know, like what my deal is? Like, where am I from? And it's just everyone's just annoyed with him. And then he goes to jail and then they execute the sex robot. And then Trevor Moore at the end is like, what did we learn here? And the other guys is like about to say something, but then he kicks you like he doesn't know. Like, well, yeah, what was the point of that?
01:14:42
Speaker
And like that's that's the season. That's good. That's good. So I'm saying we need to execute Sam. That's the point of that story. Not off the table. um Here's a question. So like we're going into, know, the series finale, right? um Do we have any predictions of like how things are going to play out? Everyone dies. No, because they're going to play it safe on the off chance that there is another season. So I think besides, you know, yeah Nate, obviously Jacob already got his freedom, but I think everyone else they're going to, you know, keep at least on the table in terms of like being able to return. But Cassie and Maddie are probably just going to be hooking. It's just going to probably be like really bleak. And then they'll probably like intercut intercut between their fate of like them getting trafficked to like ah fucking Lexi's like episode is showing and everyone loves it or something. It's like her success. because she chose the virtuous path we'll probably get some like celebrity cameos collectional versions of the euphoria yeah probably and what what those things always don't understand for going for the easy cheap uh like stunt casting it's always funny to get someone like yeah not not even necessarily like a d-lister or like ah a has-been actor but someone who's like just off-brand enough but then you're like yeah i guess they would be cast as this person in this world, you know, like, cause I get, they're going to get someone like too big and recognizable, but I'm thinking about the in universe movie at the end of Barry, when they make the movie about Barry's life, like, like that, that reads more real. And like, they got like Jim, Jim Cummings plays the fake Barry. Like, I'm like, yeah, yeah, that, that, that's perfect. I always do like the Christian Slater test, you know, like imagine if it it was Christian Slater, you know, like that you needed someone of that caliber. Yeah. Yeah. ah This show doesn't deserve Christian Slater, though. It's no it's no Mr. Robot made by the wrong made by the wrong Sam. don't know. Sam Levinson working with Obama would be a funny thing. You know, he would make them all buy like, you know, like and then and then people would be questioning like whose decision that was and he would be playing Koi. He's like, I don't know. It just came up naturally in the writing process that we decided that ah everyone should be on the DL, as they say.
01:17:16
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Well, you know, I'm a fan of the show, but I recognize that Drake is a producer, but can like I feel like you do something like that, you know? ah And they're not like us. I don't know. like
01:17:32
Speaker
ah We going to be all right. he just e goes, he goes back a couple of albums. Yeah. Not even to like the buzziest one. Yeah. Yeah. ah I just thought of a very funny sentence. So I'm just going to say it. I can't wait for the Obama list this year.
01:17:53
Speaker
god like like how many people have said that do you think like people who just like genuinely like oh i can't wait for it the people who genuinely are like i would have voted for him for a third term if it was possible like it all those guys ah of course so so like bradley whitford because that's the funniest thing when he was like yeah i i believe that that's that's just that's not even my character i'm like yeah we know man i'm You were in Aaron Sorkin shows multiple, you know, yeah, yeah your work speaks for yourself.
01:18:25
Speaker
If you spend enough time on those sets, you start to do you think that's just how reality works. its Like maybe NATO was the best thing. to do Maybe a good speech can change the world.
01:18:38
Speaker
did they just if they just they just do it speaking jesus uh yeah maybe he shows up like literally i don't know well that's the idea because because we've they've they've done the like the burning bush almost feels quaint like it's on the nose but i'm like is is is this supposed to be a maximalist show like where you like push buttons like like get get a little blasphemous with it with it or is sam levinson like religious now where he wouldn't do that because i'm like like just do fucking do some like creature level shit where jesus Jesus shows up. No, no, no. Doug, Doug. So here I, I found a way to like bring everybody back. Right. And when I say everybody, I mean you and me. Uh, so here's what they do. They need Jesus at some point. Jesus appears and like takes care of the threat. Like maybe like Jesus like snaps his finger like Lori's head explodes. And then like, and then they're like, who's Jesus? And then like Jesus turns his head and then you've been asking for it this entire time. That's when we see Fezco.
01:19:39
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Oh,
01:19:43
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And then it's like, they're like, what are you doing here? Fesco is like, what do you mean? and My name is Jesus. And then like leaves. And then right afterwards, who gets a
Storytelling Methods and Consistency
01:19:51
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call on her phone? Says he died. the penitentiary. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. that that that i'm I'm back. I'm back in now. so yeah, back in. yeah you just It's going to be.
01:20:06
Speaker
I'm betting all my money on it. um This is the only way i'm going to be able to afford a house in my lifetime. but Or if he's making Family Guy references, you know, like he could always just do Ted. The Ted show had a recurring bit where there'd just be like a guy the high school who was just like a normal kid, like with blonde, with long hair. But like there'd be a scene where young Mark Wahlberg, you know, the kid playing him is at the year in the Right. You're always going to appreciate something that's actually physically there over something that's like. Yeah. So that's what you just know. Tactile is always better. And and it's not even like the AI is more cost effective at this point. Like, hey, there's been multiple stories that have broken, like where companies like is Microsoft one of them? Some companies have been like told they're losing money. Some companies were telling their teams, no AI, like it's too expensive. So like, yeah, that bubble is going to burst. And when it does, I'm going to go back to that guy in my gym sauna room and I'm going like point him and be like, ah! I told you. love those kinds of situations where you check back in with those bunk vices that you never took better. Yeah. know what I mean? Oh, my God.
01:21:22
Speaker
I just love those. um And with with all this stuff, just like waiting for it to happen, you like I totally still stand by the fact that I is good to cross i think so, too. Yeah. Unless it keeps getting bailouts, like, you know, crazy degrees. But right now it seems like it's about to tip They could conceivably, i guess, keep getting bailed out because it is also to have ai be so prominent and have people hooked on it like it is to the government's benefit. So like...
01:21:50
Speaker
Yeah, i the I just don't understand who would ever like like hooked on AI. That just seems so ludicrous. Like, just give me a second, Doug, because like, you know, so crazy. Well, you can see it it it decreases your dependent. Yeah, I know. It increases your dependency on the thing to the point where you think you need it because like that guy who I was talking about at my gym, he was talking about like of all the extra work that his small business can do that he wouldn't have been able to do without hiring more people. But at the cost, like he even admitted in the same conversation, he was like, yeah, I've I've forgotten like I forget which coding language like C++ plus plus or C sharp, he said, but he's like, I because he hasn't done it in so long. And I'm like, yeah, that's the point. So you're like, you're more dependent on it now. Like you you don't your business. Yeah. can't function without it because you've like ingratiated it so much into your infrastructure and how you do business and yeah you are fucked without it really is yeah good luck mister like that's all say that guy euphoria season three that's like what i had imagined that like the reruns on spike tv but
01:23:03
Speaker
In between ah reruns of ah the Blade show starring Sticky Fingers. That that episodes of 100, sorry, 1001 Ways to Die and Deadly. yeah Yeah. Wasn't there like also a Dust Till Dawn show on Spike or something? I'll take your word for it. know that that's where the Game Awards you they used to play them once again. Game awards. It's so funny. It's so funny to care about any awards thing to certain degree, but especially video games. Like, so, you know, i mean we we' we're both gamers. I'm not i'm not at some elitist like, you know. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We play games. We're not gamers. I should declare. I'm a game dinosaur.
01:23:43
Speaker
I should, I should clarify it. Yeah. We're, we're, we're kind of sewers of games. We're not gamers. Uh, but I, you know, would never be someone who's like, yeah, video
Speculation on Euphoria's Conclusion
01:23:52
Speaker
games aren't art. Yeah, they clearly are. But that I, the fact that you would put so much, uh, into the game, I've seen multiple posts within the last week. So someone's like, I can't believe such and such one game of the year, whatever year, not red dead two or, How did Uncharted 4 not win? I'm like, the fact you even remember what one game of the year, any specific year is damning. Like I couldn't even tell you last year who won yeah or any year. i feel like i feel like if you're going to get that hyper niche, you got to pick one, you know?
01:24:24
Speaker
Like you got to be like, oh, Dama for the GameCube should have won that year. You hold on to that thought for the rest of your life. Right. And and that I would respect. Right. But if it's if you're just going to like keep up with the game awards every and every year you're going like, yeah it's the same with the. os Yeah. Because ultimately, you know, the Oscars are going to let you down. and ultimately You know, they're not in the service of like this or a lot of support. And you hopefully want them to go that way. And there are promising side here and more there. Right. At the end of the day, it still is for money. It's still yeah a marketing opportunity. A movie didn't do too well in theaters. You throw the Oscar and nominated Oscar label on it.
01:25:01
Speaker
makes Yeah, absolutely. That's that's all all goes back to the money, especially for something like games where they just continue to balloon and and cost and stuff by which I mean, that just makes appreciate good indie games more. Although, you know, like, yeah, there's still occasionally a triple A thing I want to play. Like I am, I tempted to buy the the new bond. It looks, for I mean, it's the hitman developer, so I am going to get it eventually. It just, I just can't really justify it. Like, even if I could easily buy it without there being any notice in terms of my, my finances, it's just, I don't like paying full price for like anything. So like, it's,
01:25:37
Speaker
like, like that needs to go down a little bit. And also, i don't know, maybe i'm going to do a thing. i haven't decided if I'll actually make it a thing like that. I'm just going to do myself or if I'm like, oh I'm going to, I'm going to stream these games, but I think about downloading emulators of like some older bond games and just like, like just, just, just marathoning some like spy games. Like, and and, and obviously like, yeah, there's not, not the ones you'd be like, Oh, gold night. Like, yeah, we've all played gold. And I have, what about, no, yeah what about the Wii remake of GoldenEye with Daniel Craig that's the shit that that i'm tom that I'm talking about like it's gonna be like the weird weird shit running on the Call of Duty engine or something two recommendations two recommendations right so one ah the from Russia with love game highly underrated if you haven't played that I i rented it when it first came out and I remember it being pretty fun yeah so I want to I should play all that They brought Sean Connery back to do more voice lines.
01:26:39
Speaker
I feel like whenever there's a third person one, it's kind of like the first person ones are kind of hit or miss, but almost feel like the third person bonds have like a higher track record in terms of like, that's true. I think everything or nothing, that one's also third person. And then there's, there's, there's a couple like Craig ones that they did where it was like, I was going to say the second one. The second one going say, Quantum of Solace. You got to check out Quantum of Solace. The Wii version is different than the PS3 ones. Sorry, there's a PS3 and Xbox 360 version. Then there's the Wii one. I played so much of the Wii one in like split screen. It's like the fucking terrible, like you're using the like motion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whole camera view. Must play material. And then also the funny thing with that game, because like, did you ever play the Quantum of Solace game? Do you know, like with the mechanic one? No. Oh, wasn't it like it's first person, but then you can take cover and then it goes to third person. Okay. So it's like Rainbow Six Vegas did that. So that that's in that vein. Yeah, that sounds fun. Oh, and then maybe also some Splinter Cell, like that spy game stuff that I've been hankering. I never played the one without Michael Ironside, just out of like protests because I was like, well, what the fuck is this? You
01:27:54
Speaker
You can get a shit on my plate and call it like for food. Like, I don't know. Come on. I've got eyes. What are you saying? Come on. I can discern. good And it's not like it was a different character. They're like, no, yeah, this is Sam Fisher. And then he opens his mouth. He's like, I am a triple A game protagonist.
01:28:13
Speaker
Like, that's not Michael Ironside's raspy voice. Like, what the fuck's going on here? That's not a Canadian. Yeah. Yeah. Did you play alpha protocol? No, I never did. That that was obsidian's attempts to do a like, they're like, well, what if we did like a mass effect style, choose your own adventure RPG, but set in us espionage world. And so it it was, it was supposed to be really busted and janky when it came out. I mean, it's still probably like pretty, pretty busted, but like, I don't know. I I'm going to give it a try. Cause I like those kinds of games. I'd probably make a guy with high charisma that fucks everybody if that's an option. Even even the men. I won't discriminate. Of course, of course. I've been playing on the Retroid still. I've been playing a lot of Tomodachi. I've also been in Animal Crossing mode. I've almost done Yakuza. The first Ikawami or which one were you playing? didn't Yeah, I'm doing the first Kiwan.
01:29:12
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And I'm probably Absolution. Yeah, I don't know. i've been I've been tearing it up on the retro. Absolution was was fun. I remember that one almost leaning more into like, it's still good because, you know, IO makes good shit, but it like leaned more into like an action gamey vibe. So maybe you might like that one more because it's like almost trying to be, yeah, just like just like a big budget action movie with 47 on the run, which they've done that plot in multiple. multiple hitman games, but most of them would still have the, you know, like the hide and seek stuff. I mean, you can still like take disguises and stuff, but they really, the systems in it emphasize different things. So like you, you're, you're kind of encouraged to be a little more aggressive in that one. like Like we've talked about in the past, right? Like I want to jump out and, you know, like have fun with that, right? Like like like there there is some fun in being able to be like, okay, the mask is off and now we're having a party, right?
01:30:08
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And ah whenever there's a game that can kind of lead into that absurdity, that's what I know. Yep, good stuff. I mean, there's nothing else about you for you to talk about. so yeah no we should probably wrap it up. Yeah, that's that's all we got. So, I mean, we'll we're going to do the finale. We did this much. What if it ends up being good? That would be funny. Well, it won't be. There's almost like no change. Like that would that would be like crazy Vegas odds to bet on that because that payout would be so large. Yeah. And plus we'll lie about it too. Right. Like even if it were good, you know, we'll just, you know, yeah. i've du Like we didn't like it, you know?
01:30:47
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It's like, yeah it was a piece of shit. Secretly, that was like the best TV I've ever seen. Fuck, we're just so, we're coping because we're so woke. You know, like, but yeah, know with, with ah in in regards to the next episode, I have no high hopes.
Doubts About Continuing Euphoria
01:31:04
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I genuinely hope that it's the finale. I hope that this is the end of it all because like, like and and frankly, if there is a fourth season,
01:31:12
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I don't know if I'm going to keep watching. I think this might be my, I think, cause, cause this was the morbidly curious of like a curiosity of like, Oh, how bad is this going to be? And then the answer is like, not even that much in an interesting way. Cause I've seen friends be like, should I watch? It looks kind of crazy. The clips I'll see on my timeline, like it'll be like Cassie getting picked up by that goon and smashed through the glass. I'm like, most of the show is not that also, why is that the thing that's enticing? You see a woman get smashed through a table you're like huh this show looks bass yeah the moment that somebody does or says something like exactly that i go seek help you know that's a seek help that's like when when people were promoting that that ah open world rpg that crammed like everything in there they're like look you can even like beat up women in this game i saw a post that literally said that it's just like showing them the
01:32:06
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tackling an NPC and then just wailing on her like yeah take that woke I guess because it's anti-woke or something like that that's like but ah not that the game developers haven't claimed to be anti-woke but they're saying like yeah because you can fight women in the game so it's not woke Fucking turn on any Grand Theft Auto. Really? Like, this is like the third game, right? And you can fight women, you know, if you really wanted to. i don't know why you'd want to, you sick fuck, you know? like Yeah, but... I don't know why that's your litmus test.
01:32:38
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Yeah, but GTA games are ultimately, like, pro-gay and pro-diversity. So, you know, that's secretly... And then 6, you're, like, playing as, like, a Latino couple. So, like, that's...
01:32:52
Speaker
Well, that's just too woke for me. I'll i'll be boycotting six because I just don't believe in the number six. Or seven. Like, you know, like I just skip the. Yeah. Like everybody's doing like they're like, OK, let's count together. Like we get to six, seven. I go. So in 50 years, when eight comes out, give me a call. Like I'll i'll maybe see what's happening. Then ah hopefully they've, you know, ironed out some of the kinks. And yeah, hopefully it's a good one. I feel like GTA seven is probably going to be the point. It almost felt like that's what they wanted to do with five, but I think they, they knew that they've, though they're still updating five and, and probably still making plenty of money from, from that. I i think they just knew that they had to, to iterate again in terms of like, you know, like that, that engine was right. You know, that's like a PS three, three 60 engine it's running off of. And they, they just could only go so far with it. um Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. They need to do a new city though. But like, cause like if they're going back to Vice City, like Miami, I already played a game in Miami and I could also play that Scarface. The world is yours game. That's a surprisingly great game. Good game. It was weird that there was like video game movies, but our movie video games that like had no reason, like Scarface, the Godfather game. like, wait, these are good.
01:34:16
Speaker
There's one of them I've playing. The fucking 24 game. 24, the TV show. Is it good? It's a cut shooter and the shooting mechanics are way above the standard. It feels like a highly polished way I'll describe it. Damn. And the graphics, the graphics are also do they let you do interrogations or those just cut scenes? Do you get to like beat someone with a phone book while you're Jack Bauer? I've only played a couple of levels, so I don't know. So those are the those are the high. I've only seen one season so far, but that's when like when Kiefer Sutherland's like rummaging around for something nearby that he can just wail on. someone with you like yeah violate his rights let's go i don't agree with these methods but damn it i it's results you know like it's one of those situations there's dirty bomb he has no choice he's gotta see and find the bomb or the shooter slap slap slap let it all go like that yeah Did you see will I am on Mars? Because Lacey, trying to push the bullshit that let's be, you know, our slur that are let's get our slur that that's was like a music turn. Because like, sorry, I didn't hear any of like, all I heard was that will I am and I don't know show you's are whatever. But all I heard was well, I am and I got excited. Oh, he was on Bill Morris podcast and he was trying to say was trying to say that Let's Get Retarded was like that. That was like because to retard the beat is technically a music term. It's spelled differently. So he was saying it's like that. But like the song itself does not support your thesis. because it's like saying like let's get stupid like oh yeah no he was he was trying to like back that like you know lock that back or something and be like yeah this was people being too woke objecting to it or something and no i am like i love loyal i am don't get me wrong but he's a great aim more
01:36:16
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I love him, but he, oh, geez. I was like, I was like, a kind of only half paying attention, so I was like, oh, I know i know and i never knew that when I was listening. Don't even think about it for just a second. You're like, wait a minute.
01:36:28
Speaker
yeah This guy's lying to me. This guy's being a piece of shit right now. That's what, because like, what else has he done? He made the fucking watch, you know, he's made headphones, you know, he's all he does, ben things now. But then also, like, i saw we slack eyed pieces are getting back together again. Oh, so so that's, That's probably why he's on Marr, because, like, promote his... Yeah, that. Fergie was finally desperate enough. Fergie was like, you know what? Act and career never took off. Yeah, music's good. for yeah for you Not good music. I mean, in terms of the score, I guess... needle The needle drops, even if it's a good song, they feel like... I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever. It's a it's a good song. Maybe it's just because I'm annoyed at the show overall, and I could appreciate it in another context, but...
01:37:12
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It just at this point just feels like, yeah, I'm like, good for you. You paid however millions for this song. I hope that the next episode is KRS-One. And it's just like they do a Birdman thing. He's just wrapping the entire episode easily integrated into the background. You know, that's what I i mean. That would be an idea. So that's why the show won't do it.
01:37:32
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Like, because even if it's actually says it something like too creative, I apologize. Like even even something that's derivative or you're just riffing on something else like that. Yeah, like that's too creative and too much of an idea that might someone might misinterpret that as an artistic statement of some kind. And also KRS-One is just too powerful. Cameras can't even capture ah but yeah no I'm excited to see where it goes but I don't like that it's 90 minutes hour and a half is that's that's why this is better this is the finale for me either way like I'm on the same page as you like whether it comes back or not if I'm watching a fucking 90 minute episode I mean, i season two's finale was longer from what I remember, but that also had some bullshit because I had to listen to Dominic Feike or Feikey or whatever his name is. That was like fucking 20 minutes right there.
01:38:26
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He did a song. And opened the set at Lollapalooza. That was longer than it had got a DeVito. Like a 10 minute song. Like he went longer than that. Exactly. Exactly. I know. I'm not too hopeful, but more than because I have this go i thought this was the end and I wish it so i'm I'm just I'm just sad for you because someone who's not like a TV guy that this is like I'm like, this is going to be the end of TV. This is like not just the end of you for you. Like you're just like you're probably going to be done with the TV for a decent while. i might go back to the x-files i was catching up with the x-files gave up on that i might go back they were the they were they were the best at it until they weren't but you know yeah for a time they were the ones and setting the standard for it and i'm and also really fucking excited i just can't wait to see what that is especially in terms of like because I feel like especially being Coogler, there has to be some kind of update or statement on like conspiracies now. Like, I'm not saying that the show needs to go like Epstein or go to that level. They could to some, I mean, but, but, but, but we live in a completely different world where, you know, like someone like Mulder was like laughed at and put in the basement on a
Evolution of Conspiracy Theories
01:39:43
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joke assignment. Whereas you're a conspiracy guy in the FBI. You're going to have a top position and in this administration. So like,
01:39:50
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that that's That's like a ah totally flipped dynamic where the conspiracy people are running the government. You know, like, it yeah. I think it takes place in the same universe as the Steve Carell show. I never saw Space Force, so maybe. i don't know. I did watch as I saw it.
01:40:07
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I mean, that's so yeah Beach Boys is like it's like cheating. Like, like for all i know, is Bioshock Infinite like a good game or not? I don't know. They use God only knows and they have it sung by a barbershop quartet in the in the game. So like, I'm like, oh, it's probably one of the best games ever or something. but Yeah, pretty much. like Like even just the new refresh, like, sorry, the new rendition. Good enough, refreshing enough for me. Like good shit. Whatever. um Yeah, no. Euphoria should have Beach Boys. There should be Euphoria video game. It should. be
01:40:39
Speaker
ah Yeah, i don't I don't know. Yeah. i don't know what it would be. Don't have it be like a leisure suit Larry, like vaguely like like a horny game because that's cheating. Like it should be have like actual game mechanics like like the Like, I don't know. It's got to like ghosts and goblins. It's got to be like an arcadey kind of like you're jumping away from a platform really hard for no reason. Or or just like a third person shooter, but not for the characters that you think you're like, well, Rue's involved in like, you know, drug war stuff. So her right now, it's like Cassie and Maddie have guns. Lexi has a gun. They have guns. Or you just do like one of those like ah folks like like you remember how there was like a Kim Kardashian. like know for I know. I know. I know of it. I, I assume it was like some kind of like clicker thing where you just click. Yeah, sure. I don't even know, you know, all yeah I just assume imagine like that. Yeah.
01:41:32
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Yeah.
Podcast Wrap-up: Engage with Better Content
01:41:33
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. We're, we're still on time. So that's all we, that's all we got. ah you know, we're to tune in to hear the finale, but don't, don't watch it. Use your time to do it for, do, do something good. You know, like go outside, touch grass, go see, ah go see a movie. Yeah.
01:41:48
Speaker
Or even watch a a good show. Like watch like Widow's Bay or like DTF St. Louis. Like something good. Why aren't you just watching a Godzilla show? Like that's my thought. vote guy pass the episode now I'm just like, I want to hang out with my boy. like guy yeah Yeah. Yeah. You could be watching Godzilla. Think about that.
01:42:04
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Think about that all the time whenever you're doing something. Like, could I be watching Godzilla right now? And the answer is usually yes. And then think about why you aren't. I'm in a church. I'm on my Godzilla. I mean, God, God's in the name. So like you could, you should be thinking about him in church.
01:42:19
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We should all be praying to him. I'm just excited to see where Passion of the Christ 2 goes. That's what I'm saying. It actually ends up tying into minus zero. Shin, actually. it goes. Oh. Yeah.
01:42:34
Speaker
You didn't hear it from me. I've got insight. I have to bleep that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Cut that out.
01:42:49
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