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The Pitt Season 2 Episode 9
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Pitt River Waterpark, it's simply splashtastic!
00:00The Perfection of Succession
02:56Character Arcs and Tragic Irony
05:58Method Acting and Performance
08:51Cinematic Trends and Nostalgia
11:36Exploring Themes in Modern Cinema
14:37The Role of Directors in Storytelling
17:47The Impact of Tension in Storytelling
20:30Character Development and Emotional Depth
23:21The Future of Storylines and Speculation
32:38The Enigmatic Duke: A Character Analysis
34:40Robbie's Struggles: The Weight of Expectations
37:59The Breaking Point: Robbie's Mental Health Crisis
44:26The Impact of Trauma: A Child's Accident
49:45Javadi's First Major Mistake: A Learning Experience
54:12The Dynamics of the ER: New Characters and Relationships
59:04Ogilvy's Character Arc: The Search for Redemption
01:04:59Langdon's Growth: A Journey of Empathy
01:06:37Character Reactions and Fan Service
01:07:57Character Development and Fan Theories
01:10:31Empathy in Medical Practice
01:11:57Patient Care and Systemic Issues
01:15:02Facing Mortality and Family Connections
01:18:15Death and Acceptance
01:19:50The Complexity of Grief
01:23:01Existential Reflections on Death
01:27:34Humor in Dark Situations
01:33:46Anticipation for Future Episodes
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Transcript
Ambercon Convention - A Creative Community Experience
00:00:01
Speaker
You were out in a heat nut costume? Yeah. With about 18,000 my friends. Were you at Ambercon? Uh-huh. Was that Pittsburgh Senior Alfred Convention?
00:00:11
Speaker
I'd go from here. Ever been? Uh, so not really my scene. Yeah, I first get a bad rap, but there are great people in the community.
00:00:22
Speaker
Creative, welcoming, funny. actually got my girlfriend at the first convention. That's cute. She gave me health back her struggling on the dance. It's nice to hear that meeting people in real life still live. I wouldn't recommend it, especially at work.
00:00:40
Speaker
She's from Dance Rock on a weekend. Doesn't she need a fursuit for that? I think she would make a good dragon.
Analyzing 'Succession': Perfection and Plot Twists
00:00:55
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Starts. Succession is a nearly perfect series of television. I mean, I would I would say perfect. I mean, Dasha shows up in the third season, so I guess you could ding it for that. Although she's but be like she does what she's there to do, you know, like like it. I think I think she is that character.
00:01:12
Speaker
She's not even acting. I feel like that's just her. ah that character yeah um but I'm trying to think of actual flaws like I i saw remember during it's airing people will ding it for like being repetitive like oh the kids always scheme to like get one up on Logan and they team up and then it never works and and I'm like yeah that's why it's so good because they're failure yeah like what do What do you think a TV show is, right? There's always ah ah a point in which things reset to some kind of like normalcy, right? Right. Like when it when it comes to like shows that don't necessarily do that, like I think about something like The Leftovers, right? Like that's a show that like constantly be like within a season has to reset to a normal. But when comes to like how it progresses, it really doesn't care about changing the formula.
00:02:00
Speaker
and And shows that can do that, you know, maybe like Lost, you know, did that a lot for sure. Right. And with Succession, it's definitely playing more within a toolbox. But because of the way it's shot and because it's such a larger ensemble that takes place in rooms filled with extras and it's all like high society. So you can do lots of like kitschy, stupid, annoying things that to the audience they can laugh at. Right. Right. it's's It's very easy to digest in that way, but then also when it comes to the dialogue, it's really well written and it's always engaging. and And the performances certainly are a large reason for that, but it really is a well-constructed show when you really think about what they were able to give time. Even when things feel rushed, it feels like it's rushed on purpose. Well, yeah, because even the last season, like when, spoilers for Succession, people haven't watched that. Go watch it. It's a great show. it's this Yeah. But when Logan dies, like, I figured that would happen because the name of the show is Succession. Like, that's like, what are we doing here? It's about, like, who's going to take over when he's gone, you know, like...
00:03:06
Speaker
So I was like, okay, he probably has to die before they end the of the I just didn't expect it. It's like three episodes into the last season. It's like not even midway through. Like they they kill him off so quick. And so like it resets in a way. It's still the structure of like they're trying to do their bullshit and fucking it up. But it's like, oh, they removed the one roadblock that they thought was like the thing keeping them from happiness and success. Logan's gone. But now they also weirdly kind of miss him. Like, like and it' yeah, it's fucked up. But it's good TV.
00:03:36
Speaker
it And it's crazy how Brian Cox is like going, giving it his all in like what what is essentially his last days, right? Like he's just like, I'm taking over like, ah, it's me again. Like we're going to, I run all the news in the world. and then just croak.
00:03:52
Speaker
yeah And like, but there's something really funny about that. And, and, and there's a, certainly a degree of tragic irony and it's all of the show. Right. And, uh, I, I really enjoy how, um, come up. It's in the end, never feel like it's like eternal damnation or anything like, Oh, you were really screwed. It's like, everyone's going to be at least at some level, but they're still tormented. You know, that, They're personally tormented because there's only so low that these guys can fall.
00:04:23
Speaker
I kind of think about the end of Tar where it's like, oh, she's been so disgraced. It's like canceled. She'll never her her life's in tatters. I'm like, she's still making good money doing video game, kind you know, concert like like that's just like beneath her. So that's like, you know, like it's like a spiritual loss, you know, like I feel like that probably stings more than like losing her kids. Like of the wifely, like the fact that it's like, I have to do monster hunter music. Ah, yeah.
00:04:49
Speaker
Like, Tar tarr was a movie about somebody who was about to cement their legacy, and then just at the final moment, their legacy was destroyed, right? And, like, yeah but obviously by their own actions, right? Right. But at the same time, when it comes to how it all comes crumbling down, it's almost like the sick joke that's also a certain degree that's there within
Method Acting and Jim Carrey's Career Journey
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succession. And it happens to all of the characters, really. ah The way Kendall ends off, and and and the way that ah Jeremy Strong had been performing throughout the entire series, Incredible.
00:05:20
Speaker
it It really earns the spot that he has now. You know, there is certainly a difference between, you know, guy who played the military officer in The Happening to Kendall Roy, you know? I think i think it was the same, same, like, ethos, though. You know, how he says he... For sure. His... ah Well, because I like how he distinguished... Because, like...
00:05:40
Speaker
People hear method acting and like he, you know, self-proclaims that he is ah like a method actor. That's just like him getting in, staying in the mind of the character. Like he's not doing annoying shit like Jared Leto having people on Morbius carry him to the bathroom. Like I'm sure I'm although I don't know that if he's played like a paraplegic yet, but I but feel like if he did, he wouldn't.
00:06:01
Speaker
be making that other people's problems. It's just like his process. and ah But some crazy things about people who worked on the Lincoln set about how chill like ah Daniel Day-Lewis was, right? Right. Perception that being a... a Like he's still Abe Lincoln, but but but but he'll react to an iPhone. Right.
00:06:19
Speaker
Yeah, it's not like you know he's going to be an asshole about it. Right. There is a way of, you know, practicing the method where you don't have to be an asshole. But a lot of people do do that because they are not, you know, either properly trained or are egotistical. Right. Like see Jim Carrey in the movie. I by my went straight to Jim Carrey. I mean, he's in the news lately or rather his his double. Yeah.
00:06:42
Speaker
should should we Should we talk about that? No, the less we talk about that, better. i don't I don't want to turn this into, you know, conspiracy watch because I don't frankly believe there's a conspiracy. i think No, there isn't. That's what's so funny about it. Like, it's those those at least... laughing It's a nice break from, you know, like the actual like evil real world conspiracy, you know, like there's no sex trafficking involved or anything. It's just like, hey, we swap Jim Carrey with an uglier Jim Carrey. Like for what purposes? Like who does who does this benefit? Yeah.
00:07:16
Speaker
less royalties on the mask. You have to follow the money. like that's That's the way they're trying to make it logical in their mind. And you're just like, what are you saying, man? Man. Jim Carrey is one of those people that like you know younger, I'm like, yeah, that guy was cool. And then the older I get, the worse he gets as well. and i'm Right.
00:07:39
Speaker
Please stay away from me. Like I, and in hindsight too, like the things I thought were cool. I'm like, I still like those movies. Like the mask is awesome. And like, I mean, I'm some, I i don't revisit Ace Ventura. Like there's something that I'm definitely just like, not going to go back, not going to go back to. Not like the Ace Fitzgerald movie. when I was like... Dumb and Dumber. ye Yeah, Dumb and Dumber is like, especially, that's and that's just me appreciating that era of like the Farrelly brothers. Like, cause I'm like, oh, that's like, that was a little bit of formative comedy for me.
00:08:11
Speaker
green Green Book definitely lost a lot of that charm. you know if we're if we're being They should have had a moment where he's going to the bathroom and he zips up his fly and he gets like his skin caught. and then And then Keith David's in the window.
00:08:29
Speaker
Keith David comes to the door. The fireman's at the window. ah ah Amazing. Yes.
Critiquing Films: 'Green Book' and 'The Secret Life of Walter Mitty'
00:08:35
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I think that's how you say that's how you save Green Book. I think the voters were assuming, you know, like how they say the Oscars don't watch. They don't watch all the movies. So they're just like, oh, Fairleigh Brothers, someone's dick gets caught in fly, right? Okay. That's their thing. Best picture.
00:08:52
Speaker
You've done it once. That's cool. but To do it again, that shows that you've got the stuff to be yeah cemented in the history of the Oscars. And if that was the case, I would fully support the win. I would be like, yeah, that's, i I don't care. Is this a movie regressive politically? out of gone real I don't care.
00:09:11
Speaker
Should they have asked Dr. Shirley's family to consult on it instead of the Italian guy who drove around? Yeah, probably. I don't know. I feel like like something like that happens. You just like throw up your hands and you just go, well, it just this is just what happened. Yeah.
00:09:29
Speaker
just like fuck well You know, as this they honed in on the interesting point of view there. it wouldn't i Well, that movie from Dr. Shirley's point of view, whatever, we've been there, done that. What but what about the white guy? What's going on with him? Ben Stiller is also cast in it, like 40-year-old Ben Stiller instead of... He should have been to Viggo Mortensen.
00:09:52
Speaker
Exactly. yeah Just changing the movie entirely now. The Secret Life of Walter Mitty 2. I never saw that one. You've never seen Secret Life of Walter? Okay. and And I was mesmerized by the trailer. There was something about like the song choice, the editing of it, the visuals.
00:10:11
Speaker
you You've walked into like my big thing about this movie where it's like it's got a great trailer, right? That's probably the best thing about the whole movie, right? And then the movie itself is very bizarre. is a very strange movie. and i And I was going to say, I want to throw a flag on the player.
00:10:26
Speaker
I want that to be a future episode. that would be We should cover... the The works of Steve Conrad, the writer of that movie, because did he not... Some of these great films to me. What's he got in the chamber?
00:10:39
Speaker
Weatherman. ah yes. Gore Verbinski, right? Yeah. I forgot... Oh, oh, oh. Pursuit of Happiness. I don't care about that one. as but Yeah, i guess I guess we do that. I like talking about Will Smith in the movie.
00:10:53
Speaker
But... Pursuit of Happiness. We could talk this about the scene where he puts his foot on the door when somebody's knocking on it. You know? Yeah. know I could do like 20 minutes on it. But the one I really want to get to that's his undersung... Like, he he really directs...
00:11:05
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is this his only directing credit? is The promotion with Stifler, Sean William Scott,
Capitalism and Comedy in 'The Promotion'
00:11:12
Speaker
and John C. Reilly. And John C. Reilly is just a kind Canadian and who's my, ah he's come to, I think it's New York or somewhere, and they're both competing for the same, like, it's just a grocery store manager position, but it's like, oh, this really matters to both of them. But also, John C. Reilly's only gonna ever get so nasty because he's Canadian and nice. Yeah.
00:11:34
Speaker
There is a ceiling. um But yeah that's one of those movies i would always see on like DVD shelves, you know, like at rental spaces or even just in used DVD areas. And I've always been like, one day I'll watch that, you know, um I just never got around to it. you know It's interesting because all the things that critics dinged it for are like thick pluses to me because like people be like, well, there's no real antagonist in the movie because like I said, John C. Reilly is like so pleasant that he's not even like really fighting Sean William Scott. It's more just like they both get in their own own way occasionally. But it's like I'm like, well, the antagonist is capitalism. I don't know. Like they both really need this job. You know, that's that's what what what it's driving the conflict.
00:12:21
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At a certain point, you're just like, whatever. He's just like, whatever answer you give me, I'll take it as long as it's good enough to like, and I'm emotionally tied to the story enough. Yeah. And for me, it it was enough. I mean, like some of the stuff's pretty barefoot. Like I'm probably on rewatch will be like, oh yeah, their actual family life is pretty underwritten. Like the thing that it should be like, oh, cause this is supposed to be what they're doing it for. Like maybe you, you you flesh that out more, but I get it in the apps. You could just do broad strokes, just show, you know, Sean William Scott with Jenna Fisher. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, they're married. OK, he's got a kid or they were going to have a kid or something. now Have you seen Goon with Sean William Scott? ah No, we had this discussion before, but I need to see it. Oh, that's that. That is another flag on the play. a Secret Life of Goon.
00:13:12
Speaker
That'll be when we go through Burechel's filmography. I mean, we're already going to do Blackberries, dude. So, like, we'll just have to go back and watch all of Man Seeking Woman. Yeah, yeah. I'd be so down to do a Sorcerer's Apprentice. He's in a show that came out in 2023, 2025 with Arnold Schwarzenegger called FUBAR. It's on Netflix. It's on Netflix.
00:13:33
Speaker
called foobar it's on netflix
Post-Politics: Arnold Schwarzenegger's Film Roles
00:13:37
Speaker
Wait, so so there's FUBAR the Canadian films, right? Do you know about FUBAR the Canadian films? No. There's FUBAR 1 and FUBAR 2.
00:13:46
Speaker
You know, like these are like, you know, i would say like even smaller than Trailer Park Boys. Oh, okay. That's the way to phrase these guys. you You see what they are. They're kind of like metal heads, you know? But yeah, I'd say largely irrelevant. This FUBAR looks like...
00:14:03
Speaker
Like they're trying to do a fucking what's the James Cameron spy comedy. um oh true lies. Yeah. It looks a little true lies of like, hey, he's just supposed to be an under a regular dad. Turns out he's a super spy. yeah.
00:14:22
Speaker
But no, they're like, no, these guys are metalheads. You're supposed to like, you know, like ah that's just jumping off point for the joke, you know, like, I don't know. yeah ah Arnold Schwarzenegger should play a metalhead. Arnold Schwarzenegger should definitely play a metalhead. He should just do something. inch What's his most interesting post-governor?
00:14:41
Speaker
role. I was thinking about this and recently because I made a joke post when like before we did scream on ah Elvis and I was like well christmas screams or if you want modern day Agatha Christie riffs like you just got to watch David Ayer's Sabotage which for some reason they tout as being an adaptation, like a based on, and then there were none, the Agatha Christie movie. I haven't read and there none, but I don't think it was about corrupt DEA agents killing each other over drug money. I'm going to say that movie is not as good as other people say it is. I have seen and I'm proud of it. Well, I'm saying like by date, because David Ayer movies are dog shit.
00:15:23
Speaker
Oh, yeah. and large. There's a few. There's a few that are like, maybe not even a few, maybe like one or two. I'd have to look at his filmography, right? To really be like... like And even stuff that like starts to be interesting, like end of watch, I'm like, I wish another director was doing this. Because I like like the like, as found footage, I'm like, cool thought experiment. You got like a good cast here. And then it's just like, man, feel like we're wasting this on... He's Michael Peña.
00:15:50
Speaker
Yeah, he's great. Michael Peña is... Okay, David Ayer did the did the Beekeeper. That's his best movie, probably. Beekeeper is merely okay in my books. Well, I'm saying that's the ceiling. what like he just doesn't he doesn't have again He doesn't have a movie better than ok ah what are you What are you talking about? You're forgetting about Max Landis' Star Wars, you know? Right there staring at you in the face.
00:16:17
Speaker
Fairy lives don't matter. Quote, Will Smith. I remember when that movie came out, I watched that movie with a friend and, and like, we were both really high. We were like, we're going to smoke a lot of weed and we're going to watch bright. Right.
00:16:32
Speaker
We both knew about how much of a train wreck this was going to be. And like, I would say like an hour into the movie, we're just like, is it always like this? Is this is this what it is? and And like we were astounded that it had still so much left in it. And it's it's just one of those movies that when when you're in it, it feels like a trap.
00:16:54
Speaker
yeah it's It's oppressive all over, you know? just I don't enjoy watching it. And everybody who's in it feels like they're confused and and trying to hit marks and just missing them.
00:17:05
Speaker
Yeah, it's interesting. I was just I went down a rabbit hole. I started I was like, wait, Newbie Rapace is in it. Oh, that's right. She's the villain. And then I was like, yeah, what happened with her? Like, I was like, was that the end of her American like a film run? Like, did it end with.
00:17:23
Speaker
Well, you know, like she's still in stuff. She still leads movies. Wasn't she like in that A24 movie Lamb? Wasn't that her? ah That is her. That was 2021. That wasn't that long ago, relatively. Right.
00:17:36
Speaker
Also, like the ah question was posed earlier, and I do want to make a ah case for the best post-governorship Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. And it has to be The Last Stand, directed by Kim Ji-Woon, co-starring Forrest Whitaker and Johnny Knoxville. Have you seen this movie?
00:17:53
Speaker
No, but I, that's always just knowing that lineup has made me want to see it forever. And I feel like I would be more amenable to it now. I used to just be like kind of snobby about action stuff. ah i like But, but I, that he did like after, like i saw the devil, which is crazy.
00:18:14
Speaker
Like the hell. Yeah. Ever seen that movie? Yeah. Yeah. yeah That's like a real movie. That's like a, that's a movie that like people put on top 10 lists, you know, like that's a, that's a, that's a good ass movie. um But at the same time, ah this movie is so ludicrous and totally cheesy and can't be in the best ways.
00:18:33
Speaker
maybe Maybe I'd say it's somewhere between um ah Quick and the Dead, right? um And, Also, what's... that Okay. What's the... time That would also be... Do do you know that Thai West Western movie um with Ethan Hawke and John Travolta?
00:18:50
Speaker
oh God. In a violent and nature, in ah in ah in a violent valley or something? Something along those lines. I have definitely seen this movie, but the name is...
00:19:01
Speaker
Just escaping me. and and in In the valley of ah of violence. I was close. I was very close. Good movie. Pretty good movie. Yeah. I had memory hold that. I never saw it. i I didn't even, I was like, he made a Western when
Directorial Style and Themes in 'The Pit'
00:19:16
Speaker
you just said that?
00:19:17
Speaker
Yeah, you know, Ty West is kind of interesting. You know, he's he's definitely got more stuff under his belt than people think. There are some things that I definitely wince at, you know, like ah he made Cabin Fever 2, but he like went uncredited on it because he wasn't happy with how it turned out. And then yeah obviously the Scream TV series. He directed several episodes in the first season.
00:19:40
Speaker
Well, i can't blame, you know, like TV directors, you know, it's like, I'll give them credit when the thing is above, you know, what they delivered above what they needed to do. But then also I'm like, I can't blame you. Like you can only do so much. Right.
00:19:54
Speaker
ah Hey, you know what? I'm just glad that it takes place in Louisiana. um Down by the bay. I wish i was that, you know, I wish that that happened on the show. Must have been around, buddy.
00:20:10
Speaker
ah Dr. John, ah speaking of doctors, the pit. See how clean that was? Dr. Robbie is riding in without a helmet, notably. Yeah, I noticed that.
00:20:22
Speaker
ah You know, before we talk about any specifics or anything, I just have to say, like let's just get out of the way because it's one of my favorite things that came out from this episode. The big threat is going to be a giant water slide accident.
00:20:37
Speaker
I'm happy about that, you know, like out of all the things, you know, not because I'm happy about, you know, these gruesome and injuries we're going to see. But it's like instead of like, you know, something that's going to be like, you know,
00:20:48
Speaker
Trying to weigh in on specific topic from a specific angle, as it showed in the first season, it's like kind of like an accident just happened, you know, and it's going to be more about how all they're already depleted of so many of the resources and it's about to get way worse.
00:21:03
Speaker
Or it's going to get political about ah theme park safety, you know, you know, that's that's a big issue. What's that Johnny Knoxville movie action park or whatever? Right. I think I think that's exactly the one word. Yeah. Like that that was the whole deal of the park is like, yeah, these rights fucking suck. You might die. People did die.
00:21:25
Speaker
Honestly, I'd be down for them and having a whole action park like stretch in the final few episodes. Like, well, because it's still early ish in the day on Fourth of July because like people were were like, I.
00:21:37
Speaker
I'm surprised that no one, because they do get a kid who like blew off some of his fingers with like an M80. But some people are like, I'm surprised there aren't more like, you know, people who've been exploded and stuff. I'm like, it's still early, man. There's still, there's still time to do some mass explosion casualty.
00:21:54
Speaker
but I have to say, Just to go build off of what you're saying about that kid who had their hand blown off from the, you know, firecrackers or maybe more, you know, as alluded to um it's It's, you know, that's, there some times on the show where the I have to look away from the screen because of how, you know, grotesque it is. And this was certainly one of them. This was like...
00:22:15
Speaker
I do not want to see... Because it that looks like what that would look like, you know? and And especially seeing that happen to a small child who's just scared and in confused. It's just... And then the more you learn about the context, it just is heartbreaking. ah Because, like, you kind of pick up pretty quickly that it's like ah a ah sibling raising him situation. And, like, I feel like...
00:22:40
Speaker
I mean, maybe some people will just assume just the of the racial group like, oh, well, it's because of the deadbeat parents, right? That's why this is... I don't think anybody has that thought by the end of this episode. I don't think anyone has that thought. i'm talking about like the expectations or like what they're kind of subverting, like like the truth. Because it's not just a stereotype. It's like media does feed into that totally in terms of like how things are depicted. And on shows like this will like, you know, definitely perpetrate.
00:23:07
Speaker
those, those like stereotypes. But then you learn that it's like... She even calls it out in this episode, right? With that one patient who complains about how, you know, they get discriminated with how the white doctors treat them, right?
00:23:20
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. it It just is makes it so glaring. yeah I'm like, they keep hype bringing in all these scenarios where it's like, man, there are still, you know, black people on the cast. I'm like, are they like teeing up like a triumphant return for Dr. Collins? Like she's just going to like come in through a portal. Like like once once they another slide collapses, they' like, shit, this slide was all all the kids in the black neighborhood. If only we had a doctor who could help us.
00:23:54
Speaker
Dr. Langdon is going to have to go through the drugs, right? And in the drugs, you'll see Dr. Collins in the vial. And in order to get her out of the vial, he has to take the drugs.
00:24:05
Speaker
Oh, shit. He's going to take the drugs. That's how Dr. Collins comes back to human size. I don't know how it happens, you know, but it just needs to happen. You know, two birds, one stone kind of thing.
00:24:16
Speaker
Yeah, i because I feel like she would be she wouldd be legit great with this kid. I mean, they they do what they can. And Santos has a nice moment where she like to you know takes his hand because he's like, understandably, the kid's like, I don't want to look.
00:24:29
Speaker
Oh, that's so heartbreaking. You don't have to. you But it's like, yeah, i I would already, even once the pain's gone, you know, like once they've like, you know, shot me up with an offense, I'd be like, i yeah, just... Well, they do. They do use it in hospitals for numbing, though. It's not just morphine. Yeah, it's true.
00:24:46
Speaker
It is true. But at the same time, I just like the way that you illustrated that. Sorry, didn't mean to. up No, that's why that's why cops are only there sometimes because there's so much vent around. Like they might something might happen.
00:24:59
Speaker
Well, why do you think ah Jack is still around? You know, like, well, he's only he's only too quick. He's only like part cop. So he's like on on his dad's side. He's half cop.
00:25:11
Speaker
Exactly. It's kind of like, you know, like gets like little spidey senses of it, you know, like, maybe I should make... comes down. ah We should say this episode is directed by Sean Hattosi Hadassi and does a great job. like ah Whenever a cast member steps up this season, they've been doing great ah because like a lot of the show and we also know this in in in the Noah Wiley episode, like how the camera kind of glides through the scenes.
00:25:38
Speaker
This does ah it keeps that momentum, but it's more like a hand up a baton pass kind of of like where it'll like walk past a character will walk past someone in the hall and then the camera will pivot of like, nope, we're following them now, but in in a continuous thing. It's like, it's like less glidey and like almost like more direct of like, oh, okay, no, we're redirecting here this way.
00:26:00
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the The thing I found ah different for sure was there's far more push-ins, right? A lot more creative use of like framing in terms of just playing within the frame with how it changes, you know? ah But whereas, ah you know, with previous ones, there was more like immaculately composed ones that would get set up in that way almost.
00:26:19
Speaker
ah with With this one, it felt like pretty organic and the and the camera movement was something that would just glide across or something. the The great thing about the filmmaking on The Pit is that while it's still flashy, if you know what it's doing, um it's totally unobtrusive. Somebody who knows nothing about filmmaking can watch the show and it can just glaze right over them. They don't have no idea how this is happening, but it's so helpful and and wonderful as a person watching the show who at least understands how these things are put together. It's like when you're seeing it all come together in these ways, it's it really is like,
00:26:55
Speaker
You're just like, wow, they did the thing. Well, it's just a good synthesis of like we have the visuals on point with his directing. And then in terms of what happens in this, he's given some crazy material. Let's just say like there's furries. Well, there's one furry, singular, but that could change. They breed pretty fast. They like rabbits. So once you see one, they start popping up.
00:27:23
Speaker
It's this the polyamory thing, you know? It's it's very inclusive, right? Like, hey, you know, like, if you want to, so be it. And right as Santos is so vulnerable right now, because, like, there's already, they had, like, you know, shown the the Garcia thing of, like, oh, they had plans tonight, and they were maybe going to be rescheduling. But last it was checked in, it was like a maybe thing of, like, we might have to reschedule. And so Santos checks in, she's like, I made other plans. And Oh, it's like getting hit. I've been there. That's like getting hit with a ah bullet in the chest. She's like, whoa. Think about all the times she's been calling him Huckleberry, you know, making fun of, ah you know, the checking in with.
00:28:04
Speaker
Yeah. With Whitaker. Right. And obviously we'll get to that conversation a bit later on. ah but But when it comes to how she's so been making fun of his position and she's got no bitches, you know? Yeah. She's saying all of this and she's got nothing going on. You know, she's getting too close to this situationship. And it's like, you know, I sympathize for her for sure. Like ah on one side and then on on the other side, it's like, you know, like she's clearly in a place where she has unresolved things.
00:28:32
Speaker
going on and that's oh because because we didn't even mention was it a couple episodes ago when she goes to the bathroom there's like cuts on her legs so which i took to be an indication of self-harm you know like that that's usually what sure yeah so like i we don't see her actually doing it but uh and some of those scars look fairly fresh you know like that she's still like that's something she's still doing not that it's like oh that was I was just in med school when she was stressed she did that. Now she she broke the habit. like It seems like that's an ongoing thing. Well, the the the major theme of this season is the tension is mounting, right?
00:29:09
Speaker
And what's interesting is that there hasn't been a moment where the tension has been released. And we're getting really close to the finale now. How many episodes do we have left now? Like six, right? Like it's it's we're close. And when it does...
00:29:23
Speaker
reach that point like how much is it gonna pop off and then also isn't like Robbie going to like leave next episode isn't that like in his timeline or is he gonna have to stick around the the release is gonna be Robbie dying what if what if they had planned that like this was like an arc they had like written it into the show and then they didn't expect it to be like pop off in the way that it did and especially his character and performance and they're like ah I mean, they would just change course. That's what TV does. it's It's easy. You do what all great TV shows do. You make him a ghost in the third season.
00:29:57
Speaker
I mean, that's like he he kind of has that mentality because he would just be doing the same shit. He'd just be sassing all the residents and shit and like making little comments. and it's like, yeah, that's what you do in your life.
00:30:10
Speaker
and And don't change the way that he behaves. Like, he's still running around everywhere and all that stuff. But at the same time, he's just, you know, he's a ghost. You know, so people can be like, shut up, you. be Like, I'm immortal, you know. And just, like, keep doing what they're doing. And he's, like, a little sadder now, too, because when you're a ghost, you can't kill yourself.
00:30:29
Speaker
So it's kind of like if you've ever seen there's ghost. a good dark comedy that I liked when I was a teenager called risk cutters, where it's like this afterlife for people who've just, who've killed themselves. So it's like, it's just our world, but like slightly shittier. So that's supposed to be like the ultimate insult to like, you like, yeah, you wanted to get out of this. And now like surprise there is somewhere it's like kind of worse, but only a little bit.
00:30:53
Speaker
I wasn't sure if we were going to go by like David Lowery ghost story logic, you know, like maybe it's like the unresolved thing emotionally. And that's maybe where Collins comes in. You know, maybe they have to do like a afterlife meetup powwow clerks three style, you know, who knows the possibilities are endless, but that these are the, these are things you can answer like eight seasons down the line, you know, uh, you know, we just spitballing here, HBO. If you want to hire us, you know, you know where to find us but,
00:31:21
Speaker
I mean, I, I got ideas of plenty. I mean, the people, i mute posts after they reach a certain threshold, but it seemed like people were thinking that my, I made a joke theory post about, uh, it involves the baby, ah Duke. And then I was kind of trying to tie up the other like threads that were leaving me like, Al Hashimi, what's her deal.
00:31:43
Speaker
And so, uh, Let's just first take it for you. just say this is a real theory because it hasn't been disproven yet. ah So Duke is from the future and ah he's see's a time traveler. And but the baby is him as a baby. And so like he's trying to get to the hospital to save himself.
00:32:06
Speaker
But or kill himself. or Well, because in the dark timeline, he comes back as an evil time traveler and causes the slide collapse.
00:32:17
Speaker
So he's like racing against himself. is You know, this is transcendence the Flash movie. Yeah, that's that's what this is. It's the Flash.
00:32:27
Speaker
h I can see Nicolas Cage in my mind right now. This all makes sense to me. And Hal Hashimi is also from the future. That's why she had the moment when she looked baby because she's like kind of, she's like, Duke, and I'm a time traveler too. I know who that is.
00:32:42
Speaker
And she's like really good with technology, like someone from the future would be. ah and And she's seeing, she has some mysterious point with like neurosurgery or like neuroscience. It's like, that's because all the radiation from the time traveler gave her a tumor. So now she has to ah you know, address that.
00:33:00
Speaker
finally Finally, the show is taking the natural progressive step in its future that we were all feeling, you know, like I feel like every Pitt fan was thinking to themselves, when is the time travel coming?
00:33:13
Speaker
yeah And I feel like now is the time, you know, if, if you know, if they were ever going to do it, you know, because, you know, like all these fans, they want it, but they're like, it's not going to come. I feel like now's the time. And then they have already ridden themselves that back door for you, like questions of like, oh, how do we bring back Robbie after he dies? Like, well, you have time travel now. So it's like, yeah, I can get you three Robbies by tomorrow.
00:33:36
Speaker
It's it's done, you know. So, yeah, we'll see. We'll see how that pans out. I mean, like I said, I haven't been proven wrong. Duke, adult Duke, still no show. So you could me probably know Duke is a water slide for all we know. He's at the water slide with all the other kids. Like a grown man, like in a biker jacket.
00:34:01
Speaker
and And then they're all going down. And then his weight is the thing that caused it to collapse. Because they ah they've said nothing about Duke. I'm just imagining like a big, big beardy guy. Duke motorcyclist, you know, like you fill in the blanks. I feel...
00:34:19
Speaker
Yeah. ah But we don't know. Duke could just be, you know, in any other show, when I see scenes of like a character references a character or a conversation with someone and no one else is in the scene, I'm like, oh, that's their other personality, right? Duke could just be a a figment. He could be Tyler Durdening. Duke is just like what he wants to be. He wants to be a cool motorcycle, it's not a doctor.
00:34:46
Speaker
It's just his ideal life. It's how it was. how it's planned. You know, maybe it's like a Donnie Darko thing, you know, where it's like the future is predetermined. It has to go. He has to crash his bike or else the like alternate timeline will become unstable.
00:35:02
Speaker
um He's doing it to save Robbie. He doesn't know that yet, but yeah, like it's, it's, it's, it's something he has to. And then Robbie is going to be like, Oh, well, I know obviously I should sacrifice myself. I'm already suicidal.
00:35:14
Speaker
oh well let's let's Jokes aside, like let's talk about Robbie because we've been saying all season, like it's it's just like like like little drops of water adding up. like of like How is he taking all this? So far, hasn't burst.
00:35:31
Speaker
can still he's becoming... seemingly like so like he can still do his job but more and more so he's becoming like Just like, so it was basically someone who just says like, I'm going to kill myself. Lol.
00:35:47
Speaker
But not even without the lol JK. Like he's like you're taking away the part that's supposed to give someone comfort and in that scenario. So like there's the scene where Jack comes back and I, you know, Jack's like, are you still, here are you still going on that thing? okay Well, you know, ah it's going to be a lot of time. Self-reflection. you sure you can handle that? And, know,
00:36:11
Speaker
He immediately goes like non-ver... He's not making eye contact with Jack. He's like just looking down. He has like a fucking insane smile on his face. He looks like he's the fucking Joker or something.
00:36:22
Speaker
And then and Jack's like, if it gets too dark, call me. And then he's still smiling, not looking at Jack. He's just like shaking his head. and like... He has him in the back and walks away.
00:36:33
Speaker
i was jets If I was Jack, I'd be like shitting my... I'd like, what the fuck? I need to... I feel like at that moment you go like, e Dr. Alashimi, can I have a word with you? you know just like i feel like you're the right person to talk to. that Or he's part cop. I don't know. Just arrest him.
00:36:51
Speaker
yeah On the spot. Maybe he doesn't even do it as a cop. He just does it as a sovereign citizen. Citizens arrests, Robbie. Yep, exactly. Handcuffing you. I will hold here until the police come. You know, it's one of those situations. But um yeah, no, this moment at the end of the episode really is like, I feel like as you illustrated, like the entire season's been building and building. And again, this is just another moment of building. But this tells me that we're almost reaching that breaking point for Robbie at least. Because he can he could barely keep it in. Like, like, because if I, the fact that he has to look away kind of reminds me of like when he had to push Jake out of the room when he had his breakdown of like, okay, no one can see me doing this. So almost if, I don't know if mentally he's just like, if I just don't make eye contact with you, because if I look Jack in the eyes, I'll probably like just start crying or something, you know? So I'm just going to like look down. And another large aspect of this as well is that, you know, if if if what our worst suspicions are, and if they're proven correct, and he's suicidal and this whole saatical sabbatical thing is just going to be him dying, right?
00:38:03
Speaker
um Then... This last, this moment is like his last moment with Jack Abbott, right? He's essentially saying goodbye and he can even look him in the eyes, right?
00:38:14
Speaker
And Jack is like reaching out. he He sees through the bullshit, right? And we always knew that about Jack. He sees ah Robbie for who he is.
00:38:24
Speaker
um But kind of reminds me of the Peter Boyle scene in Taxi Driver. Not that, uh, Oh, yeah. Robbie is Travis Bickle, but, you know, someone who's clearly unwell and then someone, you know, who can say, I mean that is the closest that Bickle has to a friend is Peter Boyle's character. And he's like just trying to like, he doesn't, he doesn't have the like language to even, especially it's the 70s. It's like, like what he doesn't, he doesn't fucking know what this to say to to Travis. So like, like what do you, what what do you do in that situation? Jack is trying, he's reaching out, but it's like, it's not,
00:38:59
Speaker
That's it has to be someone has to take that offer of you, read you know, like, yeah, OK, I'll call you if it gets dark. But it's like you can't make them. Just having the offer be out there. Right. to For them to know it's there. You know, that means the world.
00:39:13
Speaker
But then also in this moment, the fact that like Jack knows the path that Robbie is going down and he knows that he can only do so much. And Robbie is seemingly hell bent on whatever he's headed towards. Yeah.
00:39:26
Speaker
You can really tell that like, but but it's interesting because earlier in the season, he kind of seemed to have one foot in one foot out in the sense of like that. Maybe it was just him being territorial with Al Hashimi or him being unsure if she could like actually take over for him. But he ah initially was still talking about it like it was his ear. Like when he says to Robbie, I don't or when he says to Langdon, I don't know if I want you in my ER. That had the suggestion of like, when I get back, you better not be here. So that's like, oh, you're thinking about when you return. But now I don't know that he's thinking that S, you know, crashing.
00:40:03
Speaker
So I'm like, what changed between that was only a couple episodes ago. if that If that's what he meant by the thing to Langdon, he still could have, like, i he's been suicidal the whole day, but it's like, I feel like there's gradients to it.
00:40:15
Speaker
It definitely feels like the problem that Robbie has is the mounting pressure, right? Is how things get worse over the day, right? So like it's part of the reason why the seasons are structured the way that they are, right? The fact that they are in hourly incrementals. It just takes its time to show every bit of the process.
00:40:35
Speaker
When you're watching this all in a binge, let's say, right, not week to week as we're doing now, but if you're watching this all together, all of a piece, um it
Robbie's Psychological Pressure and ICE Storyline
00:40:44
Speaker
starts to feel like a really mounting pressure, right? The way we're doing here, we've got like weeks in ah a break. You know, we don't feel that tension when we come back. We're like, let's see what our friends are up to. What's Mel King doing, you know? But to them... But but they're in this. They're going back. They can't leave.
00:41:01
Speaker
Exactly. or Or if you do leave, you have to go to a deposition. Well, we'll we'll talk we'll talk about we'll talk about Mel King in a sec. Just one more thing on Robbie, because the other insane scene he has is with Whitaker, who he's heard from Santos about Amy on on the farm. And so he starts to have a conversation about setting boundaries, which is like a reasonable thing, like not just as like his superior, but as kind of like a like a father figure, mentor figure that he's like, you know,
00:41:27
Speaker
You know, like he said, the Santos, like he's our ah Huckleberry. So, ah but it is interesting that this is always framed in terms of like ah this this grieving widow who just had a baby taking advantage of Whitaker. Like that he's like the the like poor deer in his, and he is a poor deer in the headlights because he's not even thinking about when Robbie's like, get the shit what about her friends and family? He's like, yeah, they help out a little bit, but mostly she's been leaning on me. Like he had that had a dawn to him like that he had had become like the primary like caretaker.
00:42:04
Speaker
ah he he was in a similar position in the first season, right? Where he was really down on his money because of familial issues too, right? And like he seems to be somebody who steps up for people who are really close to him, right? And it to the de detriment of his own success, right? And I think that that's where ah Robbie's, you know, looking out turns it into a situation, right?
00:42:28
Speaker
um Where it's like, but but but instead ah instead of just being like, yeah, you need to set boundaries, like maybe rethink this relationship. He does tell him that, but then he, it throws, the the same part is where he's like, hey, do you want a house sit for me?
00:42:46
Speaker
Here are my keys. ah Also, I might not come back, so you'll end up with a cool bachelor pad. Yeah. So like the the main like worry, the looming threat over Whitaker this entire show so far has been rent, right? Like, yeah, where where where where am I going to sleep and can I afford it?
00:43:06
Speaker
Yes. And and and Santos is obviously so graciously had him live with her, right? and The entire time she's kind of like, you know, treating him like a little brother, light razzing and all this stuff.
00:43:19
Speaker
He's going to have this like, assumably pretty like great apartment slash house to himself. Yeah. Like, is he going to have to pay a mortgage when Robbie dies? so Like, how's that work?
00:43:31
Speaker
If it's just a simple transfer, does he just hand it over? You know, does he like, you know, here's but the the lease, here's the deed, you know, like whatever. Robbie doesn't strike me as a guy who sat down and did an official will. Like, it's going to be very slapdash of like, he told me this like in the hours before he took off. So I don't know. No.
00:43:52
Speaker
No, no, he's going to be on the phone with the the lawyer writing up the will as he's on the motorcycle. so As he hasn't finished, then he's just like goes off the cliff. He's like, all right. Yeah. yeah Did you get that? Okay, good. Bye.
00:44:06
Speaker
yeah You know, that's it. You know, like just timed it out perfectly. Yeah. So he's just dropping all these like very not subtle, like they're not even hints. He's just saying like, yeah, see you later or never.
00:44:21
Speaker
Probably never. just doing Just doing that thing where he's got his hands behind his back kicking his feet just going like, what if i never came back? And then just walking away. and like Like, what am I supposed to do with that information? You know, like that's what he's doing right now. Everyone knows something is up and just as much as Robbie is mounting in pressure, I feel like Everybody around him is doing a better job recognizing that. And I think that what could be an interesting twist with the season would be like, not only if Robbie does explode in this way, how group intervention that can be received. It like, what if everybody is there when that happens? Yeah. Cause it, like, it seems like it's going to be so spontaneous that he might not have control over, like, let me just get into a private room to do this away from everyone.
00:45:08
Speaker
And then then now everyone is kind of a witness to it, but then also probably will then be feeling responsible. Like, we can't let this guy leave. Like, like like that this is just like intervention time now.
00:45:21
Speaker
Yeah. Now everybody has to sit down and and not everybody, you know, but like there has to be some level of hashing out and there's no way that he can continue working that day. You know, like that's it feels like it's leading to a point like that rather than him signing off or him staying late to save more lives. It feels like we're reaching a point where Robbie's battery is almost done.
00:45:43
Speaker
Yeah, it will be very interesting to see how that plays out. ah So other things yeah like we mentioned, the ah we'd been hopping around, but like the the kid who had blew his fingers off. So like we we've mentioned, the the parents were deported to Haidt and this had been... ah The actors have been saying comments at like awards things recently about like that there's going to be an ICE episode.
00:46:10
Speaker
I don't know if they use the word episode or storyline because my suspicion is because I don't think this is ending this episode. Like like they said, they they've planted the seed now of like...
00:46:20
Speaker
that Right. that That's what happened to the parents. ah Social services is like, well, we're not going to we're not going to split up. We don't like split siblings. ah Someone will come to house. They'll probably make that same assessment. But if this gets went to the right people, I mean, ISIS like shown up at hospitals before like that. They yeah they'll go anywhere. So. Yeah. They could likely. A lot of accidents just came in, right? Like a bunch of people just randomly checked, you know, at the same time that they're coming in for this thing, you know?
00:46:51
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So what what, how, what will that be? Like, if like they just have to like barricade the patient, like they make chain link, f like they make a fence between them and they're like, yeah, he gets a rob.
00:47:05
Speaker
Yeah. You're not getting to this kid. m And then, ah like, all the superheroes, they start bowing in the window. and And all of the cast walks in a single file line through them. Yeah.
00:47:21
Speaker
And then we we all we all applaud. You heard already? I've just been applauding the entire time the show's been on. him just I mean, I would, you know, like, hey, I like me some woke porn. So if this if that's like where it's leading and that it's like them, the doctors, the ice, like, let's fucking do it. Let's go.
00:47:41
Speaker
The thing I will say about The Pit is that while it's still pretty lib, I'll say it's pretty lib, um it's never as cringe as like an Aaron Sorkin. It's never like, it's certainly a bit more adept in how it handles its social commentary. And it's more considerate. And and that's the general approach of the whole show, right? so Well, because it's coming from a character, empathy-based place, whereas the Sorkin stuff...
00:48:09
Speaker
Like, I feel like he thinks he is and like, his cause he'll do the thing where he's, Especially on what I've seen in the newsroom where he kind of tries to be like, well, actually, I'm taking a like reasonable moderate view of this. It's like both sides are kind of crazy sometimes.
00:48:26
Speaker
um And so I'm like that. Daniel's supposed to be a conservative on that show, too. He's like a conservative, but who's like would now be like a moderate, you know, like conservative classic, you know, or like Coke classic.
00:48:40
Speaker
free Pre-Trump, you know, like they, they you know, just a simple man who wants lower taxes and who love Nixon, wants lower taxes for billionaires, wants to ban abortions.
00:48:54
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Just, just a guy like that. Uh, but yeah, I'm, I really, i don't think this is the end. Cause like they, to invoke that and bring that up about the parents getting deported. I feel like that that's just like too big of a ah button to just casually just like throw out there and, and then be like, yeah, okay. That's, that's the end of that. So I feel like, yeah, there's just going to be so much chaos with the water slide stuff that this could, uh, this could escalate. Yeah.
00:49:23
Speaker
um I think it's going to escalate in a really funny, well not funny, I shouldn't say funny because like I think it inherently, i think Waters slide crash and I think it like Roller Coaster Tycoon, right? Yeah. But at the same time, it's it's going to be a tragic event, you know, like the fireworks thing that we saw in this episode. That was hard to watch. We're going to see like limbs like that like detached and shit like that, like are are hanging off of like stumps and it's going to and And then there'll be kids. Like fact the fact that it's kids makes it all worse. It's crazy.
00:49:57
Speaker
Yeah. And it's it's going to be brutal. And it's it's going to definitely be one of those crazy tough days for everybody who's feeling this mounting tension. ah we've We've talked to a lot about Robbie, right? um Which characters do we want to zero in on right now, do you feel?
00:50:13
Speaker
um ah let's I think we should do Javad ah real quickly because dr J. Oh, As far, I mean, we've only seen two days of her working her first day and now I'm assuming between those times, she's never like actually like fucked up in two major of a way where like, like a patient diet or something, you know, like, like, cause it's, it seems like that this is like her first big, like,
00:50:42
Speaker
It seems like her first big oopsie maybe ever, maybe? Like in her life. Like she, like she would probably had, ah you know, was would be grounded if she got less than an A plus. So like she, you know, I i don't think she strayed off of a very narrow path ever, you know? So like if this is like the first time she's, ah this is her realizing that she is fallible and mortal like ever all the other doctors. Who tells her off? Garcia, right?
00:51:11
Speaker
Garcia is the one who tells her off. Yes, because it's it's so she was assuming someone else was charting like, you know, because they have this whole manual system they're doing since the they shut down. And she was assuming that when she took on new patients, someone else was charting them for her, even though they did say in that big announce. I mean, I know there's a lot of things going on, but they they said say you got to like throw up your own people on on the chart or like, you know, erase them when they get discharged.
00:51:39
Speaker
ah So I'm also like, she hasn't been erasing her discharges either. Like, let's go. we need to really double check the board for a second. Maybe Ogilvy is going to move forward.
00:51:51
Speaker
Yeah, maybe. ah So a delayed treatment for, I think, a thing is called sigmoid volvulus, which is basically just like, it's like a really, it could be a really bad bowel obstruction. And if...
00:52:08
Speaker
it hadnt If they had caught it earlier, it would have been simpler to treat, but then left untreated. It's like now there's like a big surgery. they have to That's why Garcia was pissed of like, this would have been way simpler if we had known about it when it was actually time to know about it. What what I wanted to say about Garcia's like moment where she kind of lashes out against Javadi, I feel like it's totally justified anger, right? It's one of those situations where it's like, you know,
00:52:36
Speaker
their whole thing is trying to make sure that they make these people feel better. and And while I don't feel like there's any kind of like personal resentment there, I don't feel like ah that is going to transition into Garcia, like, you know, being mean to Javadi in massive ways. I feel like this is... Although she could have history with like, with Javadi's mom, you know, like linger so large, because isn't that also her department, the mom's department is surge. She's a surgeon, right?
00:53:01
Speaker
Yes, that is true. So it was likely Garcia has crossed paths. So like, like there could be some resentment towards the mother that's kind of coming out here. I mean, not that that doesn't call her a Nepo baby. Right.
00:53:15
Speaker
So it's like, it's like, I know who you are in like, you can't, this is not acceptable basically. And I mean, she is right that it isn't acceptable. Like that's like a big oversight, Javadi. Like, come on, Dr. j We expect better, you know, but at the same time, the the whole like, ah you know,
00:53:33
Speaker
switching over to this different system. Everybody's having issues, right? But we have some form of alleviation through ah an all new character, I believe, just coming in from the top rope.
00:53:45
Speaker
oh Oh, the the the hot ah fucking technician guy? ah No, no, I was talking about Monica. You remember Monica? Monica, ah sorry. of she's She's like older a Donna.
00:54:00
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. When Monica comes in, I'm like, this place is about to get whipped up into shape. I've encountered many Monica's. Because Dana keeps saying she has backup or she has been called and Robbie will check in like, so where's that backup coming?
00:54:20
Speaker
And I'm just curious. I'm like, what does that mean for date someone like Dana? and And now to see Monica, who is just like an older version of Dana. right Yeah. like It's like, okay. Oh, there's more of you.
00:54:34
Speaker
yeah and And she's shit talking in the same way. And and then like, it's just like, it's perfect. it's It's exactly. She looks like she just came from her home. Like she's not wearing anything like super put up. like She's just like, all right, I'm here. What are we doing? You know? And I'm just like, yeah, hell yeah. where We got the reinforcements coming in here.
00:54:53
Speaker
I hope we get more like reinforcements that are like old, what are like older versions of other characters. We get like an 80 year old just like, where where is surgery? Just like he's going to help.
00:55:07
Speaker
And then also there's the recurring bit of, so is it, ah he's like an x-ray technician or something? Because like they they have to run their tests normally since that they're doing everything analog, but they're like, okay, Al Hashimi's like, we'll just give this guy a tech station here.
00:55:23
Speaker
ah So we don't have to keep running stuff to and get get results back. But he's hot. So it's distracting, especially the princess. who are Very funny. it's It is very funny. ah I forgot who it was who...
00:55:39
Speaker
Oh, oh, um fucking Joy is right. Is that ah ah the non-evil new student of one? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Joy. Also, Annie Kim from Community from...
00:55:55
Speaker
The infamous community episode where there was an Asian Annie. ah but But that she was like, had some expert, because like she just seems like she's kind of just like a grab bag of like, like more so than Ogilvy presents of like that he knows everything kind of feels like that she maybe legitimately does know everything. but doesn't also doesn't want to do anything. So like that's I love the attitude of like she doesn't want to work in the ER. And like it also doesn't seem like she wants to do x-ray technique, but she knows that stuff. It's like like, so where do you want to go? He might be one of the smartest people in that ER, you know, like is really one of those people who are just like, oh, yeah, they know what they're doing. I wanted to zero in on one of the people you listed there.
00:56:40
Speaker
Is it, should we have the conversation now that Princess probably one of the top characters of this entire season? Well, she's making out like a bandit because, like, I feel like we've maybe talked around or alluded to before, like, they have the the recurring, like, office pool of, like, where they'll bet on stuff.
00:56:58
Speaker
So this odd season, it was, like, when they heard about other hospitals shutting down, they were, you know, betting on what was the cause. Did Whitaker have, like, earthquake or something? It was, like... I don't remember. Or power. how I forgot what he had. i feel like i Uh, but she had cyber attack, which seems like a very random, like out there thing for someone to just guess out of the blue. And then we see one of the other nurses be like, I know you know someone at that hospital. Like you got an inside line. And and then Prince is like, how much to like, will you we shut up about this? And I think they negotiate. She's paying her like 40%. mean, it's of a thousand. She got like a thousand dollars or something, I think.
00:57:43
Speaker
That's good money. that's That's a thousand dollars you didn't have before, you know, like. Yeah. So she has to give up ah a few hundred away to keep that, you know, like, don't know. It's still still good profit.
00:57:54
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. i You know, yeah I just like the hustling nature of Princess. I like as she's sassy, you know, openly flirty with the the X-ray technique. Because like when Joy has that moment, she shows like her expertise and knowledge.
00:58:09
Speaker
And ah Prince is like, I know things, too. Yeah. yeah that exactly no and they cut away from that really quickly if I remember correctly just a really you know great character every episode I feel like she's given like a little moment I feel like you know she deserves a bit more flowers than she is getting princess great character love princess ah And since I mentioned joy, let's also at this moment, like just ah get get our Ogilvy corner out of the way.
00:58:38
Speaker
ah So they have a patient, the the corner where we go to beat the shit out of them. That's the Ogilvy corner. ah Well, this is the episode where they start to introduce the idea of him as an actual human being that maybe we should like, you know, I guess have empathy for it because, okay, so they have a patient. Leave him. No, I... i like Even if he's telling the truth, like, let's let's just get through, because, like, i I kind of don't give a shit if it's true.
00:59:05
Speaker
Like, they have a patient who's, like, an English professor who, like, annoyingly, like, corrects Ogilvy, which was funny. It's funny just to see Ogilvy be put down in in any way. ah but ah he He makes reference to that. He has a dad who he's like, oh, it's triggering. I have a dad who teaches English and he's like, oh, he must be proud of you when the medicine is like you'd have to ask him. So like, or you know, that that's usually shorthand for like, oh, this at the very least a rocky relationship with his dad or yeah, the dad shitty and like or or some reason that they just are have no contact.
00:59:43
Speaker
But ah you know what I say to that? Maybe the dad left because he had bad vibes.
Character Dynamics and Fan Theories in 'The Pit'
00:59:52
Speaker
Maybe he realized he had Ogilvy as a son. Maybe he realized he spawned a fucking loser.
00:59:59
Speaker
Yeah, he's like, you know what? I wanted him to be the football star of the football team. And he wanted to be a factor. You know, just like he's one of those types, you know.
01:00:11
Speaker
if You go to play for the... Well, even if he didn't go down the path he wanted, I feel like it's just like, ah, this... You you probably tell... Because Oglo seems like he's probably been like this forever. So, you know, like, I think you would know. be like, yeah, this kid's no good. so is This one's bad.
01:00:26
Speaker
Dump it. He's got a brother. That's like that's like what his the father wants. look yeah like it's Similar sentiment to what you're saying. you know like i'm I'm sure there's a reason for why Ogilvy is the way that he is. At the same time, i i feel very little sympathy because of how he's been. He still should be shot into space. like he like i have yeah I want Langdon to fill him with drugs. I want him to take two needles just ah in each neck.
01:00:54
Speaker
you know and just Let it course through his veins. you know let it Let it flow. I mean, because of the nature of the show, i assume that that not redeem him, but there will be some like common ground, more empathetic moment where he has some kind of like come to Jesus or something. Maybe because it just doesn't it seems uncharacteristic to have a a character who's just like nasty and then doesn't change, even though that is.
01:01:19
Speaker
real you know like every realistically you go to a hospital. ah you know We've said before, all doctors are doing their best. They want to help people. They're not all going to be as good as trying as hard for every single patient as as we see in the pit. I feel like in real life, there are a lot of, vocal I mean, especially fatful fat shaming and shit that's like very common. in ah we're goingnna be his woke yeah They're not Some nurses are going to be anti-vaxxed.
01:01:48
Speaker
That's 100% a thing. And that's so crazy. When I discovered that that was a thing, a you work in medicine. What's the issues with that? Yeah. um But my point is like that there are people who are like that. And then so if he doesn't change and then just continues his career and becomes a doctor, I'm like, I guess that is realistic. But I want I want the fantasy of the pit to like the the pit warps him, you know, like the the the pit is so good and wholesome that he has to change. Not that like that there get the pit becomes darker because there's some like a nastier guy there. It's like, no, you you need to change Ogilvy.
01:02:28
Speaker
Yeah, like, there's only so much there's only so much we can do. it I feel like at this point, it's like too little, too late twerp. You know, I've already made up my mind on you. Cracks knuckles, you know? Well, like I said, i'm I'm not looking to change my mind about him. I'm just in terms of the character arc of him being like...
01:02:45
Speaker
oh, I learned that patients are people. like i don't i don't I don't know how you do that scene without making him look really stupid, but maybe you have to make him look really stupid and humble him or something. I don't know. Let him be stupid and and let Langdon yell at him. I keep on circling back to Langdon, even though he did nothing this episode, but it's just like,
01:03:08
Speaker
He didn't do nothing. There's a pretty ah juicy Langdon scene because ah so King has to go to her deposition. yes we and We got to talk about King also. But yes, continue. Well, if they're there're let's just say they're a package deal. I don't know.
01:03:25
Speaker
I don't know if it'll officially take, but, ah you know. I don't think that in not a million years. did you Did you see what I was saying as like a fan theory joke earlier? lighter I was like, what if Langdon was lying about him and his wife? Okay.
01:03:42
Speaker
yeah Yeah. His wife left him and he's, that good news. That'd be good news for Mel. yeah um He's just like, so I heard. yeah Right. So Becca shows up, Mel's sister, and it's like five minutes before she has to go upstairs for the deposition.
01:03:59
Speaker
And because I think they had been Skyping on the phone that morning or when, Mel went outside or something. is so prior is she and She was complaining about some like abdominal pain, but she came in because like that they, you know, whatever the caretakers at at her facility or are I'm sure they have like nurses there, but like they can only do so much to be like, okay, so is this still bad? I guess we'll go to the the house the ER.
01:04:22
Speaker
um Seems serious. It seems like she's genuinely experiencing something. Yeah, I don't i don't think she's faking. but Yeah, she fucking phoned me. Yeah, lying. There was that idea where it's like, you know, maybe maybe we were saying on the last episode, right? Like maybe she maybe she just has gas.
01:04:40
Speaker
it's It's like just should just just showing up because just her showing up is enough of a thing. So the fact that it does seem like there is something, I don't think it's going to be like... like, life-threatening or something, but something they'll they'll have to address.
01:04:52
Speaker
ah But the fact that it's coming, like, right as she has to go upstairs and, you know, she's she's looking for any reason not to do it because, like, once the, like, hospital-appointed, like, attorney arrives, she's like, I can't leave it because of my sister. and then, you know, Robbie's looking for someone to, like, hand hand her off to everyone else's. Santos is, like, busy. and then, la ah you know, they just...
01:05:17
Speaker
Someone volunteers Langdon and Robbie's kind of just, that's how checked out he is. is like, he can't even fight. He's like, sure. you Like, like fine. Not even hiding his disdain. He's just like, yeah, whatever.
01:05:30
Speaker
Sure. i guess this and loser junkie can take, take your sister. ah and And there is the nice moment before Mel goes upstairs to her deposition where he says to her, like, can you turn off the lights? Because, like, the last season with the autistic patient, like, she was like, yeah, the ER r can be, like, overstimulating and stuff. So...
01:05:50
Speaker
is like he He remembered. Although someone would also pointed out, was like, Langdon, you could have turned, you didn't have to turn your own light off. But it's the fact that he's just showing that like, you know, like I remembered your advice.
01:06:01
Speaker
I learned something from you. and and then he And then he learned something. This is why I think he's not with his wife. He is setting up the tea for later. it?
01:06:13
Speaker
But he learned something, too, because Becca is like, ah oh, you're doctor is Dr. Langdon. My sister talks about you all the time. And so this is a guy she met a year ago on one day for like half a a little more than half a day, you know, like like.
01:06:33
Speaker
Like 12-ish hours, she was around this dude and just fell for him. Crazy. i Can you blame her? i mean, he's so cool. he's he's just He's just perfect. He just knows what he's doing. He just has so much aura. Yeah. like Look, when it comes to Mel and Langdon being my favorites, it's not because of their dynamic. I like them for individual reasons. The fantasy that Mel has about Langdon is hilarious in my my mind. like The fact that she is like that about Langdon, it's ridiculous. Well, and especially in a time where everyone else is pretty cold on him. like A lot of people are just like... don't care they're just like yeah lingdon's back but they're then there's the people actively holding grudges you know like uh understandably so who still have have beef with him but then and then there's one person who is just pure admiration
01:07:30
Speaker
and what was the term we use kermit arms yeah we're just like dr lingdon all right You know, like, she was so happy about it. And you know what? Like, good for them. I'm happy for them. And Langdon's face when Becca tells him that, he's just like, huh, okay. Like, he's like... see He's not mad about it It's just, it's interesting. He didn't, he did not expect to hear that. You know, I feel like he reacted more harshly with the, you know, person with this, their tongue being stitched up, you know? and Yeah.
01:08:06
Speaker
ah It's very, you know, funny, you know, this whole thing is played for laughs. You know, this, there's been a lot of like fan servicing moments with throughout the season where they're just like, we know what you've been saying, you know, kind of things. Yeah.
01:08:19
Speaker
and And I feel like this is another one of those moments where they're kind of nodding to people. They're going like, we know how you guys feel about like Mel and and Langdon. They're nodding to it, but while still staying true to the character because it's like, yeah, that Mel... mel fucking loves the lactulac. So like this, this all tracks, like it becomes fan fiction. Once it becomes the like, okay, they get to keep these.
01:08:44
Speaker
They get together. Like that's, that's when the show is like, you're like, okay, well, you need to, you guys need to get off, off the internet. You skipped a couple steps there. I say it as a joke, you know, like as ah as a, as you know, fan theory, sequ and like thing that, you know, works for, you know, the the masses.
01:09:04
Speaker
ah But when it comes to, you know, the show itself, Langdon, you know, it seems like he actually is on the straight and narrow. I feel like it would be funnier if by the end of the season he does something that makes, what, does Mel even know what he did?
01:09:18
Speaker
Did no one tell her That's what's unclear. But I also feel like her feel her love is so pure that she would and she would like headcanon some excuse. Like the reasons he was giving about his back after it was like what he helped his parents move. She would just like recite that or something. She'd be like, yeah, but his back was really messed up after, you know, after he did that move.
01:09:43
Speaker
You know who she reminds me of? she She reminds me of ah in the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies. ah the not The neighbor. but the The neighbor woman, right? that Yeah, it's like the landlord's daughter who who who makes the cookies.
01:09:59
Speaker
And then he does... She seems wonderful, by the way. She seems like a wonderful person, by the way. ah She seems wonderful. And they make her look way plainer. And like you look her up for... She's like a model, you know, like... So like they make her...
01:10:11
Speaker
look look like just like a landlord's daughter, but also she's making cookies. Like I would, I don't, i don't, I wouldn't blame Peter if he was tempted. Hey, MJ does a lot of fucked up shit, you know, like I get it. in in a way that makes her an interesting character, because I've seen a lot of people like complain about her characterization. I'm like, no, they actually like made her like a person who like wants stuff and like changes their mind and is conflicted. I'm like, yeah, ah yeah you mean you mean she does wrong things like a person?
01:10:42
Speaker
And like what I was just saying is just more so a joke of just like, at least the neighbor is less complicated. She's just making cookies, you know, yeah just wants to hang out, you know, like, you know, instead of Mary Jane just being like, here's the crisis I'm in now. And and I'm not saying that to, you know, despair. you No, actually no, no. I think we're on the same page here. just, I always want to decry fans like that, especially, you know, like whether it's Breaking Bad fans or whatever, like, like come on. Like, I mean, the fandoms of this, of people who like,
01:11:11
Speaker
say Santos is difficult and it's like, yeah, okay, but she's just Langdon. So like if you have the, the, the beef with him and also Robbie does the same shit. So it's like, got beef with her, then you got, you got beef with them. um ah Santos has always been great. You know, like when I, when I started watching the show, I, I kind of learned through osmosis that people had hated Santos early on when the show started. And I was like, that's absurd to me. You know, like I feel like Santos, she should know her place.
01:11:41
Speaker
I'm like, what are you talking about? Santos is doing like almost like Doogie Howser shit, like calling out shit before other people do, you know? And yeah I think that's awesome, you know? um and and even in this episode, you know, like she calls out ah how the kid with their fingers blown off is talking about how like they've got alcohol in their breath.
01:12:02
Speaker
That's interesting. You know, and and the fact that Santos is able to pick up on these things, that's why she is one of the best, you know. And and with her character here, as we talked about before with Garcia, like just really being demoralized. And with all this pressure being mounted on her as well, you can really tell that it's getting to her. And I don't think she's going to explode in the same way as Robbie is. I think that she's definitely better equipped with handling her shit.
01:12:29
Speaker
ah But I think that we are going to reach a point where she has to handle some of the shit. She's going to have to handle it in a way where it's like, because she's been half asleep all
Patient Care Ethics and Healthcare System Issues
01:12:38
Speaker
day. So she's going to have to wake up. She's going to get woke.
01:12:42
Speaker
Yeah, she does. And I feel like she's going to. I feel like she's she's not like Robbie in that sense where she's going to take that step and and really, ah you know, change the scenario she's in. um Yeah.
01:12:54
Speaker
So who else do we have? this oh They have... ah McKay and Whitaker are treating Amaya who ah has polycystic ovary syndrome. So like she's having pain. They dull her pain and they you know they do what what's a procedure for patients like that and check the size of the cyst. And Whitaker is ready to just discharge her because that's like he's following basically like their training of like her pain's good. We need the room. It seems like we can discharge her. And McKay is like...
01:13:27
Speaker
let's keep her around because it seemed like that this episode was like a little worse. Things have been getting worse. And ah yeah, it's a good thing they kept her because there's like her like ovaries were twisting or something and they have so they're going to have to go in and untwist them because like in order to save them because there's a possibility because she mentioned like that she's going to want to be trying soon. But it's like, yeah, if they hadn't caught that, then like her ability to have kids might have ah been null and voided. So. For sure. Yeah.
01:13:58
Speaker
It's one of those like kind of like little empowerment moments, you know, that like it's a a why we love McKay. or She's a great doctor, you know, always loved seeing her, you know, kicking ass.
01:14:09
Speaker
And ah in a moment like this, it's like why she's getting another best of the biz kind doctor. Right. You need to be kind of one of these. special types to be in the pit when you've got to teach all these people.
01:14:22
Speaker
um But when it comes to this situation, it's it's ah it's a scenario where um it's just the basic empathy that should be afforded to all dar all patients and Whitaker has that shortcoming, right? Yeah.
01:14:35
Speaker
we Well, like we said, he's doing protocol because like that's the show always acknowledges acknowledges the the the show always acknowledges systematic issues, even if we're seeing like an idealized version of like, like this is what we want all doctors to be be at this level. But they they still need to acknowledge of like, no, the the system is designed to like it's going to spit you out once it's like they've done the bare minimum for you. And it's like, all right, you got something for your pain. Now be on your way, especially for black women. And I don't think this is going to be like a reoccurring problem for Whitaker or anything. I think this is, if anything, it'll be something that you can learn from in the future. Oh, absolutely. I think it's moment, you know, that he just it just happens and we took the moment.
01:15:18
Speaker
and And it was important to do so, especially because what had happened there, they they set the seats for it so perfectly with that whole like trying for pregnancy and and being sure to maintain fertility for the near future.
01:15:33
Speaker
ah it it was it was really, yeah really sad circumstance throughout the whole thing. And the way that they were able to afford that person there worth again it's it's what the pit does best right i feel like that that's what they do the best in this episode as well as uh the larger guy who comes in you know when he comes back and he has that face time oh gutted what did you think about that was fucking a mess i was yeah i was i i don't i wasn't straight up bawling but my my eyes were were wet someone was cutting some onions nearby
01:16:08
Speaker
i Yeah. ah Because he still has the tube in. So he has to use the like pad mui communicate and like Jack's hole in the phone. But he has to they have to decide quickly because like they use the other hospital, like use their their ah yeah you know MRI machine. They had to ah do that. But he's going to need surgery. And for someone in his situation, it's 100 percent chance of death if they do nothing.
01:16:35
Speaker
50% chance of survival if with the surgery. So either... Getting worse by the minute. And Garso Garcia's like, let's go now. ah And, but ah he's like, I want to talk to my sister. And, ah you know, because this could be the last time he has to do it. And so Jack's like, yeah, we'll make that happen.
01:16:54
Speaker
And he doesn't say that this is the last time to his sister, but the sister seems to get it. Like what the scenario... No, the sister... I feel like the sister doesn't register that really. I feel like she's she thinks this is like a new beginning almost. in the public Well, she because they talk about coming to visit her son, but I wasn't sure if he was, they were kind of just saying that to like, you know, as a comfort thing of something he can look forward to, but also we don't know. But you probably are right that like, i because no one would have, he didn't tell her. And I don't think the doctors, I mean, they can't disclose that unless they're given permission to so
01:17:32
Speaker
ah Yeah. So they wouldn't know. I mean, she knows that it' it's serious what what he's there for and that, you know, yeah he's about to have a procedure. So she knows that there is some risk. and it Like inherently, you know, someone in a situation having surgery that there's like a lot of risk involved. But she hasn't heard like this 50 50.
01:17:51
Speaker
Exactly. And and for her, she's. Just re-encountering their brother and they definitely look like they've seen better days. And, you know, with the little back knowledge, the like the backstory that we have, we know that like he had some kind of injury and that's when he gained a lot of his... Any kind of self, it seemed like...
01:18:13
Speaker
people away like after the injury like said he he probably started gaining a lot of weight and then he stopped talking to people and they probably haven' haven't seen him at the sides right it's ah it's a classic whale scenario if you will um and the problem here, and not the problem really, it's the sadness, is that, ah you know, there's a lot of shame there, but it's just cutting through the bullshit you see and got where they left off almost. It's just, one of those that's your sister, yeah you love each other, like go, yeah you know, like that's all that matters and and especially since this might be the
01:18:52
Speaker
last thing you to say to her, it definitely matters. So it's like yeah the shame evaporates in that moment because it does that none of that bullshit matters. Like it just, what ah what matters is love, empathy. So I'm, I'm rooting for them. I mean, but you know, the show,
01:19:08
Speaker
stay, you know, it yeah, it's it's ah it's an optimistic vision of healthcare care in some ways, but it also stays realistic with the medical stuff. And so, like, if his odds are 50-50, then I feel like they're not going to cheat that like in terms of, like,
01:19:23
Speaker
kind of a coin toss. Like, is he going to make it or not? Yeah, it could go either way. and And definitely with him even taking that call, I feel like that limits his chances of survival. I feel like even like thinking for the future, like that would be where I... Narratively, like if you show him have a a character, if the character starts saying goodbye, like they're probably a goner.
01:19:44
Speaker
but But also, like, the the fact that there was that choice where it's like, okay, the sooner we do it, the better, but I'm going to take that second to make that call. it's like It's like he might have decreased his odds by taking the time because they had to wheel. They don't have reception inside, so they have to go outside and then wheel him back. to I mean, Garcia was like, quick, I'm going to prep so we can just, like, start him as soon as you're back, but that's still time lost.
01:20:06
Speaker
Exactly. um Yeah, no, there's that. Yeah. what What other major things happen in Sephora? Well, this could be the end or maybe we will get like a button on the Roxy storyline.
Facing Terminal Illness: Roxy's Story
01:20:20
Speaker
But like McKay has been, you know, following this this very sad story this whole time. I mean, this this really gets. And like I had said other ah like a few episodes ago, like I've like she definitely is seeing herself in Roxy of like this this mother who is like, you know,
01:20:37
Speaker
not too far off from, from, from her age. And it's like, yeah, it's just the idea of like dying and not being able to be there ah for your children. But the, the thing that happens before it's just her and McKay is that the kids come back with ice cream and, uh, yeah. yeah And, and in for a second I was starting to get anxious on her behalf. Cause like she finally got a moment to breathe and now everyone's in the room again. I'm like, yeah.
01:21:02
Speaker
damn it like i just let this woman die in peace but she does have the moment of honesty with uh her husband her husband where she's asking for more morphine and she's like i've been in pain for so long and then uh you know he's like why why didn't she tell me and she just like you know she was she was doing she was stay staying being brave for them you know like Yeah. You don't want to see your loved ones be, be sad and devastated, but it's also you're in so much pain. Like how long are you supposed to do that for, you know, it's like, yeah, I, she's earned the right to decide that she's, she's done with, with the suffering.
01:21:41
Speaker
Yeah, like it's like I feel like we've been watching this happen in slow motion for episodes and maybe the next episode's it. Maybe it's later down the line. feels like we're at the end, right?
01:21:54
Speaker
It's really sad how it is. And and the kids barely are registering what what's going on. ah yeah When she's explaining how much pain she's in, I'm even thinking, like, ah is she going to even be able to eat the ice cream? You know?
01:22:06
Speaker
That was like when when they were talking about, like, ah so excited, the flavors they got. I mean, the death duel says, oh, I'm going to need to get more, like, plates or spoons or something. But I was just like, someone's going to to, like, feed her or something, right? Like, I don't know. Like, can you put it you put in the tubes?
01:22:22
Speaker
Yeah. like You put in the tube, the ice cream tube. Yeah. I mean, makes it mix it with the morphine. Like, it's like, I'm on my way out. Give me some flavored morphine. So it's not only morphine that's going right into your veins, but it's also like caramel, you know, cream, you know, like all that, you know, like ah a lot of just, you know, mixtures going on just right into the veins.
01:22:45
Speaker
ah She just dies instantly from the ice cream. Dr. Robbie throws the stethoscope on his neck. It's what she wanted. you know like we yeah We got to respect their wishes. know like It's one of those situations. Yeah, it's it's been... right But I love that they took time to... For a storyline where we know the conclusion because it's foregone. It's like there was no...
01:23:09
Speaker
world. It's not like Harold where there's like maybe 50% chance that he makes it. It's like 100% chance Roxy dies. Like as soon as she came in, it's like there's new information of like, oh, now her leg is broken. Now her life is even harder in her final days. But it's like that her dying was was a given. She has a fucking death doula. So the fact that she's finally able to have this moment of honesty with her husband, but seemingly I'm like, that's Roxy's final scene. There's something really powerful that that it's with McKay, like that she gets to, she gets to isolate, you know, like the space that she needs, but it's still comfortable with having McKay there in the room and the conversation they have about, was like, well, first she asked her like, if you believe in God, and I like her res response of like, I like the concept.
01:23:55
Speaker
Like that, that's... i've I've made similar responses to that too, where I'm trying to like be polite and like, cause I'm like, yeah, I don't want to burst someone's bubble, especially in time when it brings someone comfort. It's like, yeah, like it it sounds like a nice idea.
01:24:09
Speaker
um yes. But he asked us out that situation. Right. but No, you're fuck just going to be dead forever in the ground with the worms.
01:24:20
Speaker
You hold their hand right and then you look them straight in the eyes and then you just go, have you ever watched the standup comedy of Ricky Gervais? You know, just like, have you ever listened to what his thoughts on religion are? Here, I have a i have some clips for you. would pull up, or you pull out the whole movie, The Invention of Lying. Like here, i i think you need to see this. Just just clips on YouTube that says like religion epically pwned. You know, just like things like that, right? You just start pulling. Is that Louis C.K. without facial hair? Don't worry about it. just pay attention to the message.
01:24:53
Speaker
yeah It's okay. It's like the sentiment still matters, you know, you got to separate the artist is from the art, even in standup comedy. just Separate you. I don't even think I've seen that movie. I'd like, maybe like when I, when it came out.
01:25:06
Speaker
When I was a kid and I mean, not a kid, I was in college, but it's like when you're like a young atheist, like, and I was still, I was like, i was like, when I'm a young atheist, I was like, take that on. No, no. Yeah. That's great. New band name, the young atheists.
01:25:22
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ah ah but but But it was the thing of like, you like ah you can say that, especially in like a movie that's like in theaters, because there is an old couple in the theater. Like weren't weren't many people going to see this movie ah besides me and my friend. But there was like an older couple in there, probably one. Old people just go show up to the movies. I don't think they like planned to what they're going to see. i don't I don't think they were like Ricky Gervais fans. So when it gets to the point where it's about Because he ends up in a world no one can lie. And he ends up inventing religion because he wants to bring comfort to his mom when she's dying. She's like, I don't want to be in a world of nothingness. And he's like, no, actually, you get like a mansion in the sky. You get to be with all your friends.
01:26:03
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And people in the room happen to be here. Like Jason Bateman's the doctor. he's like leaning in. He's like, after she dies, he's like, what else happened? Like everyone wants to know now, like, oh, you have new information about like what happens when we die.
01:26:17
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So it's a funny exercise of like what if then what in terms of like in spirals of like, yeah yeah yeah, they don't know what religion is. You have to explain this now. But it's it is still baked in his very basic of like, ah, I'm fucking...
01:26:33
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fuck God, I'm an atheist. well What the punts? You know, imagine Ricky Gervais would say about people who believe in religion, you know, but that's not, you know, at that point, he's just being an asshole about it, right? Yeah. one of those things where it's like, it's low-hanging fruit almost. And at its time, maybe in like 2007, maybe like 2011, maybe max. Well, that's right.
01:26:55
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was like 2008.
01:26:59
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it was like two thousand 10 or something around that time. And then the movie balanced it though with having like there were legit heartfelt moments because Jonah Hill maybe the best performance in that movie. I'll finish off about Ventiline after the case early Jonah Hill. Unfortunately, and unfortunately, he's like his suicidal neighbor who keeps saying randomly to Ricky Gervais because like it's not just no one can lie. People are just kind of compulsively just say like the truth to So he's just like, yeah, I'm thinking of killing. I was looking up ways to kill myself and stuff. and And so once, you know, he's invented religion, he tells Jonah Hill that he has something to live for. He lies. But it's like part of this of touching montage of him, like giving hope to people. But it's also baked into things like, so you are saying this fat loser doesn't actually have anything to live for. You have to fucking lie to him. We've moved so far away from the pit, and and I promise we'll get back there soon enough. ah but It's related.
Jonah Hill's Nostalgic Comedic Roles
01:28:01
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Yeah, it's it's kind of in the you know whole stew of it. um
01:28:06
Speaker
Oh, man. i I just had it, but I want to look for early Jonah Hill. There was there was a ah ah movie he was in i just want it where he stole it for sure.
01:28:17
Speaker
i mean, get it he was like fucking stealing scenes and up to... okay did Okay, so do you remember the 2006 film Accepted with Justin Long?
01:28:29
Speaker
ah Like vague. I only saw it once. it was And it was like a like a drunk sleepover kind of thing. hey that's the perfect time to watch that movie. But I remember growing up with that movie, that was like kind of like a DVD classic almost. You know, like people would watch that all the time growing up, past even when it came out. It was in high school people were still watching it. You know, and I'm like...
01:28:53
Speaker
why Why accept it, you know? and and And for whatever reason, like Jonah Hill going, ask me about my wiener. You know, like it's just so like a ah ah thing that if you could quote around people in Ontario. Oh, and I also forgot. I know that.
01:29:10
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I also forgot his very first credit, very memorable scene too, in I Heart Huckabees when they go to Richard Jenkins' house with the African refugee who's living with them. And he's like the son. And it's really a really good movie. A really good movie and like maybe one of my favorite scenes in anything ever where it's like yeah ah Mark Wahlberg, who's like vehemently like anti-petroleum is getting in an argument with Richard Jenkins.
01:29:39
Speaker
And then they're talking about like preserving open spaces. And they're like, you're talking about socialism. It's like, no, I'm not talking about socialism. I'm talking about ah preserving open spaces so you don't forget what happens in the meadow at dusk. And then Jonah Hill, like looking up from his video games, like what happens in the meadow at dusk?
01:29:54
Speaker
and the but Jason ah Schwartzman and and Mark Lawrence is like everything. And the parents are nothing. Like nothing happens. to the me and does Everything. Unfortunately, a really good movie. i Directed by nobody. I'm seeing here a movie with no controversy.
01:30:12
Speaker
Certainly and that everything on that set went smoothly. Everything went normal. Yeah. No, I attribute because that that that stands out to like other David O. Even though he did, unfortunately, have juice early on, David O. Russell. Like I do have had some juice for a while, honestly. He made some good movies. but He did make some good movies. but But Huckabee seems a little different even from that earlier run. And I think a lot of that is the Jeff Bainer script.
01:30:42
Speaker
Like I wonder how much like of that was. ah really Like, did he wrote the script and then O'Russell'd it? Or, like, was his thing, yeah. Yeah. Like, was it? Because it it seems a lot of his characters in O'Russell films, like, reach breaking points and go, like, very big and, like, are over the top. But there's, like, something to, like, the heightened nature of the world in Huckabees where it's, like, everyone's already off is from the starting point. And then they just unravel more.
01:31:12
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Huckabees has a lot more of like the Sundance movie feel of the era. like I think about like you know where you have a collection of semi-recognizable people who are kind of coming in and out of a movie. like ah This was many as the style at the time you know in the Simpsons quote sense. you know um i feel like it's doing a lot of that within like his own style. right it's it's It's got all of those hallmarks. Right. Well, in another Young Doug movie of like, you can do an existential comedy. You can fucking you're allowed to do that.
01:31:45
Speaker
I hadn't seen. I only Woody Allen made those. i hadn't seen Synecdoche, New York. So I didn't know that you could make movies about existential issues.
Cultural Attitudes Towards Death
01:31:55
Speaker
Oh, geez, Louise.
01:31:58
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and Charlie Kaufman, great director, by the way. Get back with Spike Jonze, by the way, if you're listening, Mr. Kaufman. By the way, come on the pod. Yeah, and we'll talk anything. I mean, out any of your movies, but also any of this. We'll talk about other movies. We'll do whatever, man. You you use you say it.
01:32:15
Speaker
Yeah. ah You say the word. But anyway, back to the pit and Roxy and this final scene. So, ah you know, she's just saying to McKay, like, you've been around death a lot. um She has a great line of, like, I've never died before. I don't know what to expect.
01:32:33
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It's like, that is such a because not that this is like a uniquely American thing. I feel like, I but i'd feel like lot of Western culture, Western cultures just in general have a different attitude towards death in, uh, that it's one.
01:32:52
Speaker
It's, it's, it is seen as like something you do alone, and less less so than a communal, uh, collect thing. And it's, it's, it's just dour thing and not a celebration, you know, of like, you know, respond to it.
01:33:06
Speaker
Yeah, it's like this bad thing happened. Now we deal with it. um So but if you're if you're on the end of a thing. Yeah, if you're the person who's barreling towards that, especially like, like kind of on your own, like that is how do you face that down? And so like...
01:33:22
Speaker
front that head on but I mean i couldn't think of a better doctor even if she doesn't believe in God to have in the room with with ah with you than McKay like it's because like it's like I said like it's like McKay it they're the same they're her she's her you know like that that I feel like that was the purpose of this storyline of like having her like because we would always be clocking like her reaction shots like in those scenes with the family it's like Yeah, this is I mean, McKay's not dying, but like in terms of like just like this could be herself in her. Yeah. Like it's like there's facsimiles there. She's a mother as well. Right. She gets that. You know, I see what you're putting down there.
01:34:02
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Yeah, it's it's a beautiful scene. oh I mean, that's what this show does does best. And yeah, so I don't know. I feel like there may be some denouement of like the family after like, i i because I could see that being the last scene we get of Roxy herself. Like that that's just like. I think we'll get more.
01:34:20
Speaker
You think we do think we'll actually like get the like the beep, you know, like of her actually like going. I think we'll see that, unfortunately. I guess because we don't really, other than like the few minutes, because episode episodes are really only like 55, 50, 55 minutes, not a full hour. So that's little skipping. They're stealing some of our time, Doug. they're no We're not even accounting for credits. I assume that's just time they're jacking off.
01:34:43
Speaker
They go back to surgery. Yeah. that that's That's the way that they keep their energy up. we You know, like the they're like Langdon, you know, we we draw the line of drug use, but everybody is ferociously masturbating every hour. You know, that's the way that we get off. At least they, it makes sense. There's like, you know, there's, there's bathrooms in, in the hospital.
01:35:03
Speaker
But when I'm watching 24 times, when I'm watching 24, though, that you lose even more time because it's only 40, 45 minutes. So I'm like, what's Jack doing those other 15 minutes is if he's jacking off, he's on the middle of a desert sometimes. I'm like, where are you? Where are you fucking going, Jack?
01:35:21
Speaker
ah Yeah. there's There's something about at least that that I'm okay with because at least he's changing his scenery every hour. You know, these people are in the same space. Every hour they're going to the bathroom at the same time to do this. that they They have to, unfortunately, be timing. Like, they kind of do it in shifts. So sometimes it's overlapping in terms of like, yeah. oh and and the And the fucking system's down, so that makes it way worse. You gotta write on the board the Jack schedule.
01:35:47
Speaker
Exactly. They're lining it all up, you know? And Javadi's like, I thought someone else was writing my schedule down. yeah ah Great. You've ruined 15 orgasms this afternoon. you know, like that's that's what it is now.
01:36:03
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Several doctors' prostates are going to be in days from not orgasming today. Nepo baby. i feel like I've said ah enough for this episode. which is who Would you agree?
01:36:15
Speaker
Yeah, it's a great episode. I mean, i don't know what else do you expect from the
Speculations and Comedic Tangents in 'The Pit'
01:36:21
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pit. We got six more left. So we've already talked about the...
01:36:27
Speaker
fucking ah water slide. So it's it's coming. I feel like there's still might even be another escalation, whether that's Duke versus himself from another timeline, you know, time traveler battles or something like that. But who knows? and i think, I think, or it's just other water slides. It's just compounding like all the water parks in Pittsburgh. Yeah.
01:36:54
Speaker
just neighboring different water slides. All of the, like, I don't know how many theme parks and stuff they have there, but just every theme park is just destroyed because of the same hackers. Who knows? ah But it's an interesting hook and it's, it's the way that ah the pit keeps you on your feet in the sense that it's like this completely new scenario that we haven't seen these characters in. And I'm just excited to see how they tackle the scenario.
01:37:20
Speaker
Okay, there's a few different water parks in in Pittsburgh. so that's I'm glad we got this answer. Damn. <unk> Do we have names? Can we give can we have like some good names from Pittsburgh water parks?
01:37:34
Speaker
ah Cranberry Township Community Water Park. Hell yeah. that's ah That's a mouthful, but it's a good one. Sandcastle Water Park. ah Clean and simple.
01:37:47
Speaker
Green County Water Park. idle walking side Idlewild and Soak Zone. I like Soak Zone. Soak Zone, now we're talking. you know like this one This one has lower reviews though, but I'm like, you know what? I want to get soaked. Soak Zone is like like, that's a big declaration. right like if If I'm going to the Soak Zone, you know I want to be drenched. I'm like, I'm never going to be dry again.
01:38:18
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Yeah, I'm going to have a shower, dry off with a towel, and somehow, no matter how hard I like put the towel on myself, it's not getting dry. you know i'm still I'm still soaked because I was in the soak zone.
01:38:30
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, Phantom's Revenge, that's pretty good. i mean that's Horror themed? it's just a It's just a theme park, but that I assume has a water park, kind of like Six Flags or something. Fuck, man, they've got so many fucking theme parks out in Pittsburgh.
01:38:47
Speaker
i Yeah, the mascot for this is literally just like a Grim Reaper. Like, it's just a hooded, like, ghoul. and This is Phantom's Revenge. It's hardcore. That should be going on. That should, it should be from phantoms revenge. The, the, the patients. Cause then, and then, and then someone could be wearing a phantoms revenge shirt. So you can just have the image of like the Reaper in the ER. r Now we know where Duke was.
01:39:14
Speaker
e Yep. It all comes full circle. Oh, Yeah, great episode. um Ah, the pit. The pit. I didn't watch the... Oh, wait, I did see, like, just on my timeline, snippets of, like, what's coming. Like, there's a scene between Santos and Garcia, and Garcia's, like... I saw individual limbs.
01:39:37
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Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be gnarly. ah Yeah. Yeah.
01:39:46
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We all build in that.