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The Pitt Season 2 Finale w/ Jared Gilman
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Coming to much later than your standard recap, because we here at These Guys Got Juice want to give you the thorough and thoughtful discussion you deserve for this capper to this momentous season of television. Resident Pitt Correspondent with the Juice Jared Gilman rejoins us to discuss whether or not they landed the plane.
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Opening Remarks and Healthcare Humor
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I'm here to remind you of the Christ you left when you went away. It's nothing to deny me of the cross I've been that you gave to me.
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you, you are now.
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way back to pit references.
Arachnophobia and Pet Healthcare
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Yeah. I mean, on that note, dogs should have universal, there should be universal healthcare care for humans. I guess. support don care But the dogs also, like I mean, cause all pets.
00:00:51
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ah Yeah. Yeah. I was, cause we were talking about dog because they have the same stuff that we do. Like, like why don't they get healthcare? I'm just imagining like the listener at home who is like, what about iguanas, man? You know, you're just leaving us out in the cold. You know, like these flies don't pay for themselves. You know, all pets matter. Yeah, I was about to say, it's like the one time I can co-sign the all blank matter thing. like All lives matter. All pet lives matter.
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But if i were to if I were to steal a line from ah ah the immortal Will Smith from the movie Bright, ah spider lives don't matter. i But that's not what he said in the movie. or What does he say in the He says fairy lives don't matter as he stomps a fairy.
00:01:41
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On a fairy, yeah. I'll stop on the spider. ah They're just little guys. They're just little guys. I don't like spiders. You got to get yourself a girlfriend who loves spiders and names spiders so you can watch her interact with the spider and like humanize it and like take little videos of her doing that because then that'll like help you get over your spider thing because that is exactly what happened with me.
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see See, Jared, what you're explaining is well and good. yeah And like, I think that worked for you because you're like, you're open to that idea. Right. But for me personally, so like, let's say like I'm approached in that scenario by somebody who likes spiders. Right. That's a red flag.
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You know, I'm like, do I want the spider person my life? you don't understand where I was coming from. You don't know where I was coming from before that relationship happened. You don't know where I was at with spiders.
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i was very much in your boat. I hated them. I did not want to see them. i would run the other way if I was in a room and I saw one. I would come the bathroom and I see a spider. like If I was in the bathroom and saw spider, I'd be like, you know, fucking...
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na But like now, you know, I saw I caught a spider, don't know, a few days ago and and I was like, oh, okay,
Pixar's Influence on Bug Perceptions
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cool. I grabbed a piece of Tupperware, trapped it, put a slid a sheet of paper underneath, you know, went outside, threw it out. and Yeah, how's that?
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and i was like, all right, whatever. That's an admirable skill. I don't want to be the way that I want to be. Right. I don't want to have the sickness in me. Right. But I yeah i think that's like the other thing to happen is that like I when I was in my like more open to killing bugs sort of, you know, that that phase of my life.
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i would yeah i would guilt myself after the fact where I would be like, all right, imagine you're that bug and you're lost in an environment and an alien world and you're a little bug and this is your only chance at life and now it's been extinguished by a fucking finger.
00:03:43
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How does that make you feel? i'm like, oh God, Jesus Christ brain, fuck you. it's It's the Pixar effect, right? Like Pixar makes a movie about it with like something that you didn't think had emotions, right? You know, they they make Bugs Life. You see Flick and you're like, i don't want to hurt Flick. You know, I don't want to ruin his home. You know, like all those people seem cool, you know? see yeah um i was more of an ants guy. watched Bugs Life. Oh, yeah. You love Woody Allen, right? ah Yeah. I thought all ants were Woody Allen. Yeah.
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yeah Actually, though, I have a specific thing with with Bugs Life. ah
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So... ah When 9-11 happened... Oh, amazing. Amazing. Sorry, we can just end the story there. We can end the
Ants, 9/11, and Satirical Humor
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story there. Apparently, like, cheers. you know Yeah, no. But, like, apparently, though, when it happened, I had, like, night terrors.
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ah You know, because... seeing it on the news and stuff. I guess I'd like wake up. yeah My mom has a memory of me like waking up in the middle of night crying, screaming, red plane, go down, red plane, go down. And so I guess and there's a scene in A Bug's Life where they're riding like a butterfly or bird or something, and then that gets... that's right That gets like hit with something and then that goes down and my mom was like, oh, he's going to think of when he sees that. We can't watch that.
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So I actually I never saw Bugs Life. I did watch Ants. I think I vaguely do remember there being like not full on Bugs 9-11, but what you were describing. it does kind of. Yeah, that that is towards the end of the movie.
00:05:25
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Although like in ants, it's like there are kids that use fucking ah fucking magnifying glasses to burn the ants alive, which is pretty violent. Yeah. But I guess not 9-11, so it's okay.
00:05:40
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That would be 9-11 to above too, right? Like a magnifying glass is a 9-11. Yeah, like a whole colony. If you just aimed it right, you could like just take it Yeah, like you have to have like a tower of ah bugs, and then you get a real nice sunny day, perfect weather. but Beautiful Tuesday morning.
00:06:01
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Yeah, clear, you know non-smudgy magnifying glass, and you just really aim it at that tower. Wouldn't have happened if Mark Wahlberg was there. would have wouldve gone that There would have been a lot of ant blood in that cabin he had been there.
00:06:17
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He would have punched the shit out of whoever was holding the magnifying glass and then, like, used the magnifying, like, broken the magnifying glass and grabbed a tiny piece of glass and slit person's throat with it.
00:06:30
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That's what Mark Wahlberg would would have done. What would you prefer, right? to Who would you want to prefer to live, right? Like thousands of like generational, ah you know, creatures that keep the world thriving the way that it does or some genocidal asshole with a magnifying glass looking to end the entire. OK, but here's the wrinkle. Here's the wrinkle. The kid with the magnifying glass is Asian. So what does Mark Wahlberg do
Stoner Logic in Politics
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now? you want you want him to do that? No, it's not so funny anymore. How do I like it? you know that That's a Comptown business. Yeah. Yeah. No, we did that. Hold on, guys. Sorry. i
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It just came. I just shot myself. Yeah. it's but Uh, Tony. Yeah, sorry about that, guys. If it stinks, open up a window. I apologize.
00:07:23
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You just went to the bathroom, too, dude. What are you doing in there? but Anyway, this is These Guys Got Juice. yeah Maybe the best episode any opening to any episode. Yeah, that's ah so If that was a cold opening, that that'd be like, that's great episode. Yeah. These guys got juice. We're finally here.
00:07:44
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ah the The end of the road for season two of The Pit. ah Coming out of a little later than we normally Yeah, well, you know... Trying to make that season last as long as possible, really. Well, we're thoughtful here. We don't want, you don't want the immediate reactions. for you We're stewing on it. We're like reflecting, you know, and, you know, we had to ah ah take a 420 week sabbatical to smoke and ponder it, to consider it, you know. So that's that that's that's what we were doing.
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I'll come clean, guys. I smoked myself into a cush coma, right? and and And in my cush coma, I only had like, you know, like i thought it was actually on my way to death. But then I saw the messianic image of Robbie at the end of this episode. Oh, where there's the like halo behind yeah Yeah. I saw that image. That's what but brought me back to the the world of the sober.
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That's what it was. A lot of more slow motion in this than was expecting. Wait, wait, wait, guys, guys, guys. You're saying it's not 420 anymore? I'm still smoking.
00:08:49
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and what you perceive What you perceive as time, you know, if you believe in time. It's a big time what you think.
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Big time. It's 420 somewhere. Always 420 somewhere, right? That's that's the saying. you You have to apply stoner logic, right? Which is just like the stupidest, like most baseline way of thinking about anything, right? Where it's just like...
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o Well, you know, it's 4.20 a.m., so I got to smoke again. You know, like, that's that i feel like that's stoner logic. and Okay, you're making fun of that. Like, that's not a legitimate life path or way to look at it. I mean, I did used to be like that. I like me like the idea that you're, like, bringing up weed as, like, culturally, you know, like, as stoners are like a group of people. Yeah, they are. bond Yeah, that is true. You know, that is true in the sense that, you know, people were incarcerated, you know, for. And and where's the representation, you know, in terms of like ah first donor president? That hasn't happened yet.
00:09:57
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Theodore Roosevelt. I mean I don't know if that was weed he was smoking. it was something else. Have you seen Trump? No, he's not a weed smoker. You've seen him now? Trump isn't drunk. Today he's just like nodding off like he's gotten too many edibles or some shit.
00:10:14
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Or opiates. He's on his hands. He's not. He's on like whatever other fucking drugs they pump in with. Apparently he's like, he he says he's straight edge. Like he he's apparently, like he saw his brother. did Not even like so like pills or anything. He doesn't even drink. Apparently. Well, I know he doesn't drink. I know that. Like, I know like that's like a big thing because of his brother.
00:10:36
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You know, his brother an alcoholic. Apparently he's straight edge, like from what I understand. Yeah. But I could see... I always assumed he was on some kind of like... Speed. Medication.
00:10:48
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Right. You know? That they were pumping him with. proud Because also like, what wasn't there a rumor or something that he was on like an anti-dementia thing? Like med or something? That was like explaining the hand bruising and and some of the the like...
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Pat speech stuff. I just figured it out. i just come I just, you know, like I put the piece together, you know, to quote Drake, oh, I just made the whole connection, right? ah So ah he wants to invade Cuba, right?
00:11:19
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The reason he wants to invade Cuba is because they have ah Alzheimer's and dementia vaccine, right? He's doing it for selfish gains. He's trying to get into cula he can get it for
Trump's Controversial Motives
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himself. That's what I'm thinking.
00:11:31
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See, you're painting him as way more competent in force. Like he actually has yeah a concrete goal. well Yeah, like I feel i feel like like that that's giving him a little too much brain power there, but would be funny, would be really funny that was actually the case. If he was like, oh my God, I'm losing my mind. Cuba has anti-dementia medicine. Hmm.
00:11:57
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We don't like those Cubans and their dirty communism. Every pit finale, there's always an anti-medicine person. So next season, it should be Trump or RFK. What was it last season?
00:12:11
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Was it the measles? The measles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, fuck. The fuck deposition fucking She's going to sue. The mom is going but free birth mom is going to sue.
00:12:25
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There should be
Medical Dramas and Childbirth Scenes
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a lawsuit every season. Every season the new doctor is getting, yeah, yeah, for sure. ah Like, her case is pretty crazy, too, because, like, with the spinal injury, that was a situation where, like, we saw them talk through the steps, right? Like, they told them the risks.
00:12:44
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And with this woman who's giving birth, she's hearing these risks, doesn't even, like, fully consent in a meaningful way and just pass this out into a seizure right they have to fully exactly at that point yeah so it's like i feel like that delineation is very interesting if they're going to bring them back like that's certainly something that they could bring up but at the same time it shows that like in this season it's like things can go ah wrong just like that And it's it's great that even in the last episode, they're finding times to ah thrill us in these ways. It's dark to say thrill us in terms of, you know, somebody being sick. But at the same time, it's like this is what it is. thrilling tv though It's literally the climactic medical episode of the season. So some people watch, you know, car chases and explosions. Some people want to see, you know.
00:13:39
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People's insides become outsides. A resuscitative hyper-grectomy. No, that's not it. ah Here, I had a... It's like resuscitative hyper-something.
00:13:51
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ah or hypo something. Yeah. Rectomy was the word, though. i think rectomy, that can't be right. That just sounds like something... Rectomy comes from the other end. Yeah. But she had pre-eclampsia. Like, that's why they had to, like, that's why she started seizing and, like, where they did they didn't have any choice how to do it. I like how... i I've heard, you know, like, I...
00:14:13
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don't directly know people like that who are like, this is going to be an all natural birth. But of course, like I know that trope or that kind of person. I just, it's just weird hearing it called a wild birth. Like, cause that makes it sound like you're in a, in a field. Like, like it's like Pokemon or something. You know, that like TikTok rapper, like that, that white girl who's got like the dreads and she wears like, like, you know, like green vines and stuff. And she's always rapping about taking ayahuasca. Right. like She has wild births.
00:14:44
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Yeah. Yeah. She has wild births. She inspires wild births is what I'm getting at. this This woman is on the wrong algorithm, right? Like should not be consuming these things. ah but But Doug, what you're speaking to you is exactly right because there's this idea that like people believe that natural immunity or, ah you know, the way that people are built somehow makes them better, you know, in a sense. ah Like, you know, if you don't take any medication, then you're somehow pure.
00:15:12
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um but I don't need the COVID vaccine. Herd immunity. That's going to exactly cover it. Yeah. and and And in this instance, you know, childbirth. let's Let's just be real. I don't think any of us have experienced childbirth, but it's like a very. Nor will we.
00:15:27
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Yeah. yeah for since it's It's a crazy thing. Right. Childbirth is a crazy thing. It's wild. Yeah. And this childbirth in particular, the idea that they have to like cut her open C-section and then like just pull the baby out, you know, the way that they do, it it almost looks like a scene from Alien, the way that they accomplish it. And I think that ah it's like really ah suspenseful. It's really ah touching, you know, in the sense that like we're still caring for like what is the outcome of these people. that yeah Again, edge of your seat television. Mm-hmm.
00:16:01
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And just some really amazing prosthetic gore. Oh, my God, yeah. The, like, ah belly, the the amniotic sac, like, the fluid, all that. Like, was that CG or is that, like, like...
00:16:16
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It looks real. It looks so real. It looked real. It looked all practical, but... It looked like they peeled open like a cauldron, right? Yeah. They pulled a child that was blue out of this milky pink substance.
00:16:32
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And I'm a squeamish person sometimes, you know? wasn't squeamish in this scene, but it was like one of those things where it's like, you know, there are people who like have an idea of childbirth, and then there's this.
00:16:44
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Right. yeah And I feel like this is one of those things, right. Like her in her mind, like as a patient, you know, her idea of childbirth is this like beautiful, magical thing. Right. This like wonderful experience everybody goes through. And then something like this is like a very grounding moment of just like, you know, it's normal and natural, but it could be fucked up.
00:17:04
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yeah Yeah. You could say this really was like a crazy wild birth. Yeah. yeah and It was wild. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. in ah In a different sense of the word. The thing that got me because I'm not squeamish is that like the baby's like blue. Like, like, yeah, so that so yeah it's like the color. of I'm like, i were blue I was like, that kid's dead. Like I was. Yeah, that's what I thought, too and And the look in Robbie's eyes. That's a dead baby.
00:17:33
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hmm. Because robb Robbie's been at the break this whole time. I feel like talking to Duke last episode maybe starts to get through to him. But there's a look in his eyes when he's in that room where he's like, if that baby dies, I'm just doing it right here. Like he just pulls out a gun.
00:17:50
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Yeah. Just looking at that baby right before it cries, right before it cries. it's fun I love as that is all going down. He's just like, oh, this baby is about to die. This mother is about to die. Hey, McKay, get in here. You know, like of all the people that he calls in. Right. Like like I was thinking in the moment, I'm just like, what a terrible thing to do to a mother. Right. To like bring in a mother, you know, during this. like this from She already saw one mother die today, too. That was like a few hours ago.
00:18:22
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Exactly. Right. and And to have a moment where she's able to resuscitate this child and it seems as though the mother is going to be OK. I think that that's a beautiful moment for McKay. ah But in the moment, I'm going like, holy shit, are you really going to throw this on her lap, too? You know, like he's she's had a rough one.
00:18:41
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The writers are truly masters at figuring out what each character's most dramatic medical case would be and then just, like, throwing them into the deep end.
00:18:51
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Absolutely.
Character Arcs: Robbie and Langdon
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And it's just brilliant setup for, like, where we end because, like, all season people have been like, yeah, what's Baby Jane Doe? Like, there's hours or, like, half of the season where you don't even check in on her. Like, maybe Dana says something about Baby Jane Doe, you know, or, you know, I can't do a Dana accent, but...
00:19:12
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Oh, yeah. We got the child sitting in the fucking maternity ward. But the solution was so simple in front of her. Because I was also like, yeah, where are they going with this baby thing? Not that I need everything tightly wrapped up, but the fact that that's going to be the reaffirmation for Robbie. Or maybe he still decides he wants to die. He takes the baby on the trip with him. He's like, let's go, baby.
00:19:42
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That's all no, I really want it. yeah the the isai yeah robbie style baby stay out the yeah The thing that I like about this is he like they made the text text, the the subtext text. Right. like We know that he's a womanizer and we knew that like there is something to that lifestyle. If you're like in your 40s or 50s and you're, you know, just kind of fooling around. Right. Yeah.
00:20:12
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And by also having this information about the mother, you know, come up earlier. and this Yeah, that his mom left. Yeah. We're filling in the blanks. We know that he wants to be a family man. We know that the reason that he's here is because he sees this pit as a family, not as a collection of friends. And this episode was kind of like him falling into that even further, right? Where we can see ah this ending as him going, oh, great. He didn't kill himself. I feel like it's actually him. burrowing into an even, like, not a more unhealthy, but another unhealthy instinct. And I think that, like, season three, as you said, Doug, we're probably going to see them continue to unravel rather than get better.
00:20:55
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Yeah, I did read, like, a thing the creators were I think it was an interview with the creators about... and About like where what they where they want Robbie to go. and They did say that like he still hasn't hit his lowest moment yet.
00:21:10
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Of course. yeah that That is crazy because consider. like There's still a lot of you know shit between him and Langdon that's going to probably get worse in season 3. By the way,
00:21:22
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Total Langdon vindication. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This, like, i was going to ask us, like, at the end of the episode, perhaps to, like, rank our characters, like, our favorite characters or something. Like, this is a fun thing. But, like, something I just wanted to say, like, beyond that conversation, this season was Langdon's season, right? Like, we just watched the Langdon show for a full season. He unambiguously kind of comes out in terms of, like, people who had the best day. Yeah.
00:21:51
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Yeah, right? Yeah. Right? When you look at his arc, that is a perfect arc in terms of like what he went through. and he like like Separate from any jokes, it's actually dramatically compelling.
00:22:05
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First day back after recovery, totally crushes it, is the one to actually cut through the bullshit and like talk to his boss, mentor, father figure directly.
00:22:19
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he's the only one who says you need to get help. Duke comes the closest, but he won't he won't say get help. But but he like is trying to do everything else he can. He's like, will he promise me you bring the bike back so I can ride? He's trying to like make him commit to stuff.
00:22:34
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but But Langdon's the one who's directly being like, yeah yo you're fucked Even Abbott is you know kind of dancing around it or just like you know trying to get him to to come back, but not saying you need help.
00:22:46
Speaker
Right. and And even then, right, like every other person that we've seen confront Robby. He does say you're fucked up. He's like, you're fucked up. yeah But he doesn't say, you know, get help.
00:22:57
Speaker
Right. foot the way that Everybody's treating him with kid gloves, right? Like nobody wants to go too far with Robby. And and yeah what Langdon does that Robby appreciates is that he's able to just be straight with him. Right. Yeah. And and I want to make it clear that, like, it we can't expect, like, everybody in the hospital to, like, you know, just be like, Robbie, you suck. You know, like everybody's got because obviously. Well, he's their boss. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's only so much they can say.
00:23:25
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And also, like, they don't know each other like that, really. Yeah. Like, they only know each other through these trauma bonding experiences that they have, right? So ah all of that stuff aside, what I'm getting at here is that Langdon, we talked on the last episode how they may have even been friends at one point. I feel like to have... He's been to his house. and Yeah, he was at his house. Yeah. Maybe more than friends. Who knows?
00:23:49
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um When it comes to...
00:23:53
Speaker
Why is no one shipping that? yeah How's Huckle Robbie a thing, but Langdon X Robbie isn't a thing? Come on. Yeah, all these dips real straight. What's up with that?
00:24:05
Speaker
What's going on here? Let's unpack that a little. Hit fans. Come on, guys. You're focusing on the wrong things. We definitely have to talk about the fan
Societal Themes in TV Shows
00:24:16
Speaker
reaction. Yeah. but yeah yeah do Do we want to just get right into that? like Do we want to borrow into like... Yeah, talk whatever yeah yeah let's do it. So so like... that like like It's in the past, right? It's been like weeks now, right? Like, how you feel about how all that stuff went down? Because like, there's a lot of stuff like in the press from the show's end and there was a lot of like interpretation.
00:24:42
Speaker
Like this the dust is settled, I feel now. Like it doesn't feel like there's new revelations or anything. I feel like they could have rolled the information out better. Like, that's the main thing that I would say, because it left it left room for people to be like, what is this? And like to come up with conspiracy theory, like it it like it left too much room for interpretation. The like order of information that we got in terms of you're just like, here's the cast next season. Yeah. more details coming. you know like They didn't tell you anything else at that time. So then people were like, what does this mean? Does Noah Wiley hate them? Does he hate women for real? Does he does he hate black women? Yeah.
00:25:20
Speaker
I mean, like, i do feel like most shows have kind of like a fan base that that can take things too far. it's just that like every show has its own flavor of that. And I feel like that's just what the flavor of that is for the pit, which is because of the way the show, you know, the nature of the show, it does create lots of gaps and information where people are going to fill it with whatever, you know, sounds the best in their head. And,
00:25:50
Speaker
Makes them, gives them the biggest, you know, reaction. then that becomes like their gospel or whatever. it it like It was like a few episodes from the finale. right Yeah. Yeah. Like, I think it was like halfway through replay or so maybe a little more, but, but yeah. it And we'll, we'll talk about it more as we go through this episode and like they leave room open to cut other people as well.
00:26:14
Speaker
And like, ah like, A, I don't understand why they didn't just like tell us at the finale that that had happened because I feel like with the, like, I wouldn't say the finale does a great job in sending Mohan off. We'll get to that when we get to that. But when it comes to like where it is in the story, I would at least understand it more if I were to hear it at that point. And to go back to like the root of what people were upset about, right? Like non-white ah people being let go from the show inexplicably and it's like only them. Right. I think that that ah critique still stands, right? I think that that is a legitimate... Yeah, i guess unless they have more casting announcements down the line that we just don't know about. And the fact that this was the way that it happened, right? The fact that they released this information, it had this kind of ah feedback. I think like just based on like everything that had happened, I think what had happened is that they didn't think that Mohan was that born of a character.
00:27:13
Speaker
They thought that, like, it wouldn't matter if they cut her out and they just replaced them with somebody else. And they didn't realize that Mohan had the fandom that she does. Right. And maybe so right and like, there is. an Oh, yeah. And in that like the degree of parasociality changes completely when that happens. Right. um And and ah but to go beyond that, what what I'm getting at here is that like, you people were messy in the handling of this. um
00:27:46
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It wasn't really done for the right reasons. The show people, like the people in charge of the show kind of feel like they have no idea what to do with Mohan at this point. And rather than giving her a graceful ah ah exit, they were just kind of like, we don't know what to do with her. And they dropped her.
00:28:01
Speaker
And there is issues with that in a grander scale, but from like an individual, like from the storytelling standpoint, I'm not also not like, what a great loss with Mohan. I feel like, you know, like Mohan served her purpose in the show as the show is designed.
00:28:17
Speaker
But I get the critiques from the perspective of if people wanted a different kind of show, then yes, they would need to have that around. But ultimately this is a show about Robbie, like it or not, right? Also though, I like that like...
00:28:32
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it's it's not trying to have, like, big moments for every character. that Like, there is a sense of, like, understatement with, like, the supporting cast. Like, I like... Because I think it's trying to feel... In that regard, it's, like, trying to be, like, true to life in the sense that, like, you know, this is probably how, you know, it would just play out for her. if She wouldn't have, like, a ah big moment at the end of her day. It would just be this, like, kind of sad thing. uh...
00:29:03
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So I guess like I didn't have that issue, i guess. But, but ah you know, it's fair. It is fair because it is like ah unceremonious um a bit.
00:29:16
Speaker
i like like I like the commitment to just feeling true to life in that regard, but also not yeah not to dismiss any other feelings. such you know because she like She's not coming back for sure.
00:29:31
Speaker
They do that kind of unceremonious. Yeah, I wish she'd come back, too. And I don't know that the door is yeah fully closed on that. I feel like yeah like i guess in the vibe I got was that it she could always come back in like a future season. She's just not going to be around for season three. She's not working that day. Yeah. That was the just not working that day.
00:29:50
Speaker
Yeah. To me, that reads as a oh, shit. We didn't realize what we did. She's coming back season four or we're going to have her come in the night shift next season and not tell anybody. Like, that's what that feels like to me. Yeah, maybe, maybe. But I mean, you know, now we're filling in those blanks and calling it gospel. Yeah, exactly. Look at what we yeah um but but But at the end of the day, like, i do I don't think that people were wrong to look at it as scant because it was handled so inelegantly, right?
00:30:22
Speaker
But also people let, like, the worst run free in their minds and Yeah, because then it bled into like, Noah Wiley's a sexist and he's this, he's that, he's, i don't know. and Well, actually, let's get into that. like Let's get into that, actually. I think we should have that conversation. Do you guys think that Noah Wiley is a sexist? I think Robbie is. i don't know enough about Noah Wiley to make, like, a character judgment on that's fair yeah kind of anything. yeah yeah that's kind of that's kind of where I'm at, I guess, is it's like I don't know enough about Noah Wiley to sort of, like, you know, lob that accusation. Maybe he is. I don't know.
00:31:09
Speaker
But, like... I wasn't trying to say like, let's yeah like do character assassination. And and actually, i'll I'll go further than what you guys are saying right now. I think that Noah Wiley is not a misogynist. I think that Noah Wiley is a well-meaning feminist. I think that what he does in this show, this season, shows his own inherent biases where he doesn't recognize them. And I do think that there are points in this show this season where it is doing things where it thinks it's going far, but it's not going far enough.
00:31:43
Speaker
And I think that that's kind of like something that we're going to see with this show going forward. I feel we've we've talked about the show being like very neoliberal, right? Yeah, that's the vibe I get from him. Yeah.
00:31:54
Speaker
yeah I feel as though that is going to be the thing that holds the show back where it could never truly be, you know, as progressive as we'd want it to be because ultimately the show is rooted in an outdated ah worldview um that ultimately doesn't actually represent the people. And we're going to see that play out over and over again until the writers change, in my opinion. Yeah.
00:32:19
Speaker
I think there's something to that. I mean, i i had mentioned that I like started watching yeah ER and I'm only in the second season of that. there's There's a similar vibe where that show, you know, from being a couple decades ago, you're like, well, they're not going to get every i issue issue like right on the money. Like, okay, there's stuff, like maybe they're handling of the strange characters a little dated, but you can kind of tell their hearts in the right place or that it's like kind of progressive for for the time.
00:32:46
Speaker
and then i feel like they haven't really moved, like, they've updated some, modernized some things by the time you get, you know, because John Wells, you know, a showrunner on on on both both shows, but that it's not like his worldview has dramatically evolved, you know, it's just kind of, I i feel like once you're a certain age, you know, you you cap out at wokeness or something, you know, like, you can... win Yeah.
00:33:14
Speaker
Like I've kind of seen it with with my parents. I mean, maybe they're like slightly just because of how bad things are or more radicalized towards to be more sympathetic to anti-capitalist sentiments. But there's still, you know, there's still going to be liberals at the end of the day. You know, it's like they're not they're not good. They're not coming with me to any ah Democratic socialist meetings or anything.
00:33:38
Speaker
Take them to the No Kings rally, you know, like use that as the, you know, that's a gateway drug. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. um But you're exactly you're hitting it. The nail ah the money ah like you're you're hitting it now on the head there, Doug. in terms of all of it, right? This idea that like there is a cap on how conscious these people are. And unfortunately, the ah it's not that the people are too woke. It's that ah the show is not woke enough and can never fully meet that ah requirement that they want. The actors, ah for every interview that they you know do, they seem to be pretty fucking woke too, right? But they're not the people writing the show.
00:34:20
Speaker
Right. Like, I think that people are really forgetting that sometimes where it's like there is that delineation that can happen. And that's not an excuse for the way that the show is. The show can, in quotations, do better in that regard. ah But I do also think that, like, this is the nature of television itself. I mean, it's like, ah you know, it's HBO's most popular, one of HBO's most popular shows ever.
00:34:46
Speaker
You know, they they can only be as progressive as it can be when it's under HBO banner, which is now, you know.
00:34:58
Speaker
Now Paramount. I mean, yeah, like on on a on a curve, it is woker than most things in popular cult, you know, like, but we we also are living. Yeah, like, yeah, the curve that we're in right now, I feel like the the pit is is pretty progressive. It's just that, like, Yeah, on a different curve. Both sides, the ice thing.
00:35:18
Speaker
Well, but like, I feel like you can't walk away from that ice situation feeling anything other than like disgust. They're monsters. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I don't like it.
00:35:29
Speaker
It's like the only the the the concession they made for that is the fact that the ice guy didn't kill Jesse. Yeah. Yeah, fair. Or, you know, severely beat him up or something. Although, you know, you already know you know, they've already planted, you know, the seeds. You know that, like, they fucking were the reason that woman was going to was was brought into the hospital in the first place. Right. You feel you can fill in those dots. You know that's what happened. that They were violent with her, and then that's, you know, the situation that led to... So so it's like... i
00:36:02
Speaker
I feel like the ICE stuff could have been way worse. It could have been way more, quote-unquote, fair to those ICE guys. But never once did I feel like I was watching a piece of CBS cop show. I was just thinking CBS. The procedural's on there. Yeah. How amazing would it have been that woman who came in, she turned to...
00:36:32
Speaker
Mel and was like, I'm an illegal immigrant and I have so much fentanyl in me right now. um I'm going distribute it everywhere. they did they Don't tell anyone I'm packing. I've got so much drugs. Yes. Yeah, exactly. yeah Or she's innocent, but she's related to criminals. You know, it's like the thing of like, well, it's like, well, where they're not all bad, but, you know. But it's like one step removed. So it's like, should we let them in? It's like what you're saying, you know? Yeah.
00:37:03
Speaker
I think the show is sympathetic towards like cops or like the military in the broader way that like most American pop culture is, you know, like, like, i i but I think like there, that episode makes the way like these aren't regular cops, like these guys that are acting, you know, like without regular authority. I mean, it is the liberal notion of like, the train of like yeah, train them better and put body cameras on them. Accountability. It's just like, I don't know if that's the solution for ICE.
00:37:34
Speaker
i don't think it's trained them better. I think it's abolished. Yeah. At least, like, defund them and reform them to a crazy degree. Kill the operation. Just fucking end it. Just, like, stop it. It didn't work. It was stupid. Go home.
00:37:51
Speaker
Yeah. Pack it up. Fucking like, yeah, fucking get the hell out. ah Yeah, maybe this is a bold say, it but I don't care about immigration force. We don't need an agency to do that. like but well yeah It's like, it's so fucking ridiculous. The whole like, it's like,
00:38:10
Speaker
God, it's so, it's, it's, it's fascist. It's the idea that, like, you gotta be an upstanding citizen in order to, like, properly go to another country and live there. Like, it's just, like, fucking, i don't know, man.
00:38:24
Speaker
Our deal used to be you just showed up. You just showed up on a boat and we're just like, yeah, okay, come on. Yeah, come on, you know. Numbers don't lie. Right. Like the numbers between people who are immigrants versus people who were born in America. The difference in crime, it's night and day. The people who were born in America do more crime than immigrants ever do. yeah whatever reason Yeah. They always talk about immigrant crime. Right.
00:38:49
Speaker
So it's like ah any kind of like, you know, ah onus put onto that problem. It's smoke and mirrors. Yeah. you know, and and that's the way it will always be, right? But when it comes to the way that people digest that stuff, it's because they're believing that that's, you know, the way that problems will be solved.
00:39:06
Speaker
And, you know, when I talk about this whole, like, you know, both sides thing of ice, I agree with you guys that the show is clearly still coming from that perspective, but there's clearly points where you can see the punches being pulled and they don't go far as they could have. With the ice? Like, with what? Yes, 100%.
00:39:23
Speaker
Like I feel as though like there there were moments where like Robbie was a little too conciliatory with the ICE agents. Like I feel like he wouldn't have even have let them, you know, break so some of the things that they did. That being said, that's personal. I think it's just the show's priorities too of like, well, we're focused on like what this day does for these characters here at the hospital. And so we can only like we're going to the most catharsis we'll give is him like going off on that agent. Which in context is maybe not, you know, like, like they didn't within the shift. We didn't see that, like that reverberate in terms of them coming back. But i'm like, don't tell them how many people you have that work there that are like of afraid that left. but Yeah. I think that was like an, act that was like, he's mad. He's not, you know, he's not thinking yeah he's not being smart.
00:40:17
Speaker
Yeah. He's mad. He's upset. Yeah. you know, and he's just rattling off exactly why he's upset and it just so happens that it's kind of an error in doing what he did, but he's it's like, you know, i would call that like an honest mistake.
00:40:32
Speaker
now like Right, because it's focused on like what the pressure of the day is doing to to him. Like the the show will stop to make points, but it tries to always root it in character stuff. So like like, I get what you're saying, Tony, of like, yeah, they could go farther. I mean, he could have... taken the his gun and shot out of the
Medical Hierarchies and Departures
00:40:54
Speaker
agent. He's been my expert when it comes to the situations and in real life in which ICE have gone to a hospital to an emergency room with someone and then, like, interacted with the doctors there. Like, I don't know...
00:41:08
Speaker
Like, because like what what can they do in terms of yeah I feel like the show always shows the limits of not just within specifically ice, but other social issues, like when they're like ah ah concerned about abuse within a family or ah a patient or something. It's like. or even Even, like, the sex you know the the sexual assault victim, like, going through the yeah each little like actual thing, that like, ah you know in real life that would actually happen. and then, like, a real issue of cops not picking up the rape kits in time.
00:41:40
Speaker
Like... That, you know, is very very much not pro-cop there. Right, yeah. It's very much like, this is like a huge issue, and cops really suck about this. And then like when they the you know the cop shows up on the show, she's like a kind of a dick about it. Like not, you know, she's like, that's not my problem. That's not my... but And then Dana's like, well, it's someone's problem. Someone has to this.
00:42:02
Speaker
Like it's... it's I don't know. I feel like the show, you know, like I just think like it's about as good as it can be within the parameters of the, you know, the the circumstances it was it was made in.
00:42:20
Speaker
If the show was called Communist Hospital, would maybe have yeah like different critiques. I'd be like, well, wait a minute. Like, you know, these aren't people who are like trying to be out and out like, you know, political actors. They're just trying to survive. But they do have, you know, fairly, you know, it seems like liberal or progressive politics, but it's just like, you know, they're they're only they they can they can't like start a revolution. They're they're not there. You know, it's only so much they can do.
00:42:51
Speaker
I kind of would want a communist hospital. Oh, I'm i'm saying someone else can do that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that'd be cool, you know. Especially it was done in the style of like you know like propaganda. you know like yeah like you know so Like an American capitalist idea of communism and like it was a satirical show. I think that that could be fun. Sorry, I just wanted that. Russian hospital. so ah Soviet pit.
00:43:17
Speaker
I don't know. Well, we had to, we let this patient die because we had to take their heart because it had to be given to the collective, you know, like, like there's a lot of, yeah like you know, yeah red scare shit like that.
00:43:29
Speaker
ah But yeah, there's also, yes, Yeah. Yeah, but they keep on referencing Canadian healthcare because, like, all all the wait times, you know. on ah I heard you guys talking about the the rape kits, right? Like, the interaction that happens with the police officers. I think that was probably one of the best moments in this finale. Like, I really liked that. That was a great button, especially with the day that she's had, right? like Sure. that um Because, like,
00:44:00
Speaker
With Robbie, he's still her superior in some sense, right? Like, they're not equals, are they? Am I getting that wrong? Yeah, in terms of, like, he's the attending. Yeah, he's, like, yeah. But she's the charge nurse. So, like, in terms of, like, yeah. He's, like, director AD kind of thing. Yeah. thought was, like, a, you know, like, left-hand, right-hand thing. Sorry, film nerd. Yes. Oh, I knew exactly what you meant. Yeah. I did, too. I did, too.
00:44:29
Speaker
I see it as like a left hand, right hand, but like, you know, everybody's got a predominant hand, you know? ah so it's like, you know, like that's what kind of happens there, you know? um But yeah like, I'm willing for whatever medical expert to fill that in or whatever. Yeah, we could be wrong.
00:44:49
Speaker
For sure. Right in. did These guys got juice at Gmail if you're a... charge nurse or know where they rank in terms of the power ranking. Just rant about it on Twitter or something and have a whole discourse about how wrong we all are about this show and how our commentary is so off the mark and everything. I don't know.
00:45:08
Speaker
Please do. Please do. I'd love it. I actually wish the discourse online was like power scaling debate. You know, like we're talking about ranking. It should be like Dragon Ball Z power scale. You know, like when people talk about superhero shows, like ah this character should be stronger than this character. I'd be like, yeah, who's going in a fight? Yeah. and Well, Dana is clearly the strong.
00:45:29
Speaker
and Well, you see Santos, like she's got a lot of edge to her. She's biting. But like Mel, like that's that's contained, you know, like she's a timeline. But to go but is she Oh, my God. I'm already thinking. was thinking the wrong one. The one. One of those hospital people.
00:45:53
Speaker
But yeah, no, you're right. Mel is contained. Although she does she does let it out a little bit in that little post-mid credits finger. and Let's talk about it. Yeah, okay. Also, it's been like a great little, like, I don't know, i probably not, probably not the case, but If the creators ever were going to do a cameo, that would have been the place. It's like people in the audience reacting to them.
00:46:19
Speaker
Sure, yeah. Because we've we've had family of like people on the cast in this season. It's like patients, but like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It felt weird to leave the hospital. Like, it was like, jar that no, it was cool. i Because it it it it also felt like, like I've been watching yeah ER. r It felt like comfort food because they all are always going out the hospital we're seeing their lives. So was like, yeah, let's follow them outside. Like, let's, let's, where, what what is their life? outside I thought these guys just lived in the hospital. What's going on and here? It's cool. Sorry interrupt. Would be kind of neat if like,
00:46:58
Speaker
as this the show progressed, each season shows you a little more outside the hospital. And then, like, by a season 10, it's like, prime it's like the hospital takes up, like, 75% of each episode. And then, like, it's like, you know, ah crazy to even think that, like, the whole show used to be set in the hospital.
00:47:16
Speaker
like The idea the like the structure of the show like changes as the yeah the priorities of the characters change as well. although um Part of my what I'm also kind of wondering now, too, is like everyone's saying, oh, there needs to be a Night Shift spinoff. but What I'm thinking might end up happening is just like if there's a season where the day just goes as planned, but we still have 15 episodes, maybe we just have three Night Shift episodes at the end.
00:47:41
Speaker
Please. The night shift people were awesome. But I don't want to drift too far from the karaoke thing because we were talking about that. Right, right, right. So I thought that when that happened, great moment. Nothing I'm going to say is super negative. But that reeked of me so much of last minute reshoot. They were like, oh, let's just do something And that bar...
00:48:05
Speaker
like you know let's just do something fun you know like and that bar looked like such a fake set to me and ah like like this is the nittiest of pics right but like the show does such a great job in terms of like selling realism and when we cut to like a very fake bar and that's happening it's like you know it does break the immersion in quotations a bit you know again the nittiest of pics I don't really care you know it's not a problem you know it's not really a problem but what i And and it's like it's just like a cherry on top. The credits already kind of like the episode ended. So they're just like, also, here you go. Here's some candy, you know, candy.
00:48:51
Speaker
See, my my note, my note for that scene, my serious piece of criticism. My biggest disappointment with the whole show ah is that they did not sing Bring Me to Life by Evanescence.
00:49:10
Speaker
Come on, guys. You had the setup with the rehearsal. You needed the payoff with the pit. Come on. it was right there i was i was dying for some foo fighters i wanted to sing some fighters when that happened the the pick is so uh you know like what they choose to sing is so like classic karaoke that i that's like what someone would pick right yeah it's yeah it is it is it's it's a co-worker yeah It is totally like a co-worker. Like, I didn't know that my co-worker got down like that kind of thing. Like, that's what the moment does feel like, right? And it's a great moment for the characters, too, also, because, like, it's really funny because, like, the actress that plays Santos is, like, a legitimate singer, and she's...
00:49:57
Speaker
not really doing, you know, she's purposefully kind of singing like really, you know, drunkenly. And then there's that great bit where they're about to flip their hair, but she realizes Mel's hair is still down. So she like goes said to, you know, they're still tied up. So she puts it down and then,
00:50:13
Speaker
They do the flip, but it's like... And then also Mel, like, her her singing, like, moments where, like, she isn't even she's not on the lyrics. She's, like, falling off because she's never done this before. Like, the way she performed it was just really great.
00:50:27
Speaker
You can tell that by Santos. That probably was what maybe made it for me that, like, I was not... paying too much attention to the set itself. I was just like watching the characters. Yeah. You know?
00:50:41
Speaker
So I wasn't thinking like, oh, this bar looks like a set. Like I was like, oh look at the look at how they're singing. This is stupid. so like I might go back and like look at the fine details and be like, oh shit, you're right. It is a bit more you know placed as opposed to you know stuff that that shows up on the the hospital. It looks very natural.
00:51:02
Speaker
but ah i mean, even if it was like... stay at some fun lights Yeah. And even if it was unplanned or like a last minute thing, like it works as like a capper to both of those characters days in terms of like, not everyone is going to get like we talked about Mohan. Like I do like of how kind of realistic and untidy some of the we leave some of these characters like we'll we'll get to that. Al Hashimi and like, you know, the question mark of like, what's what's going on with with with her her? But like the fact that we can like give some kind of like it doesn't it's not like it solves their problems that they get to go to karaoke. But like a real person at the end of a shitty day, you're like, don't know. just need something. like give Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My big theory for this scene. Right. Okay.
00:51:45
Speaker
yeah yeah my my big theory for this scene right okay I think that Mel in the next season, no more braids. She's going to have her hair down. And that's what this is going to do. You know? Yeah. and then and then And then she's going to get with Langdon. He's going to cheat on his wife with her. And then, yeah, she's going to have one hell of a story to tell Becca.
00:52:10
Speaker
but mom she They basically had sex when when they watched the fireworks, when they looked up at the fireworks and he apologized to her and thanked her. And then he took one extra second to look at her when she went to look back at the fireworks. That was sex. That was like, that was sex right there.
00:52:28
Speaker
the the The writers are they're playing with the the audience. Yeah. They they they know what everybody everybody's saying. I do like the idea of them being platonic.
00:52:39
Speaker
Sorry. sorry i'm so bad at interrupting. No, no, no. It's all good. No, no. You're good. I like i like ah i like that like they they kept ah i like that like the actors are are like... or that la um ah Taylor was like... ah i think that They're just friends. They're just really good friends. ah who you know i don't think I need to see them like get into a relationship. and' I'm not like someone who needs to see characters shift or whatever. I like it.
Film Inspirations and Emotional Impact
00:53:09
Speaker
yeah you know Whatever their relationship is, it feels natural or organic. And if it happens to be romantic, I'd love to see them pull it off. and it you know If it doesn't get that way, fine. you know I'm not going to be like, gah!
00:53:23
Speaker
I think about the one time I remember kind of feeling like maybe a character should have kissed was the final shot in that Twisters movie. Of course. of Oh, they filmed they filmed one. They filmed one. Yeah. And then they didn't do it.
00:53:38
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know why. That's the only time I can think of where like the characters didn't get together and or didn't actively like get romantic in the moment. you know You're like, well... feels like that's kind of what the movie was building to you're just like that's like what was i mean that's that's like the point of twister like the original movie is the relationship yeah yeah it's it feels weird to remove the sex from twister as well because like it like to build off your point doug right like it's it's kind of like that's what reignites their relationship as well like the twisters are like you know the things that reignites their love life
00:54:09
Speaker
So to take away the sexual element from Twisters feels rather bizarre because considering that that... You're like, it's just about tornadoes now? Like, oh. I like don't have a Twisters thing with with ah Mel They just end up being friends. I'll be happy. If they end up getting romantic, I'm not going to be disappointed. I'm not going to be like, oh they should just been friends. i'm you know I'm down for that, too. I'm just saying, like, I'm just open. If this is ER, one of them would have tried to kiss the other one by now. like that i feel like that that's the like the vibe of
00:54:41
Speaker
of that show, this, where we're like, like the medicine does matter in that show, but it's not like the end all be all, like the character drama and like this kind of soapiness of that propels is like a lot of the engine of that. Whereas the pit is about, working in a hospital specifically. It's like that this is like all specific and tailor-made research to be about like what an actual person's day would be like. And coworkers in real life do have romantic entanglements or like get together. But I feel like yeah it's it's almost more realistic to where it's like...
00:55:17
Speaker
If they could go the whole show and you could maybe hint at their attraction, but then they never act because that happens a lot in workplaces, too, where like people, co-workers like feel something. There's like some kind of like vibe there, but it's like it's just never either the opportunity never or they just no one acts upon it. And it's like, don't know, we're fucking busy. They're saving lives.
00:55:37
Speaker
Yeah, life happens. I'm with you guys 100% that they're not going to be a couple. But at the same time, the writers of the show are playing with it so much every episode. Like, it's almost like a joke at this point. To the point where it's like, like, not even Taylor Dearden, but Patrick Ball also is in interviews going like they're just friends. But then you have scenes like this where it feels like something out of a before trilogy movie. like referenced on previous episodes. Like it's very bizarre that they keep on putting them in these scenarios. and I mean, maybe it's more of like brother-sister kind of thing. Sure. Like I'll take it. Yeah.
00:56:17
Speaker
I'll take whatever. Right. But at the end of the day, I'm enjoying the sarcastically almost. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't want them to get together. You know, like I don't actually care if they like consummate that relationship. I'm just going like they're perfect for each other. Jokingly. Yeah. Although I think it would be kind of interesting if they did get together. If that just like fucks so many things up for their yeah individual lives. Yeah. That might be like interesting to see play at.
00:56:46
Speaker
but Yeah. Yeah. That's why I won't. I've only Sunrise. Oh. haven't Sunrise Midnight.
00:56:57
Speaker
I know, i know, like, the broad idea of Midnight. I know, like, they're together in Midnight, and it's not, like, a happy, really it's not a happy time. yeah Right? Yeah. And that's like, you know, it's it's like the the payoff. It's like, you know, these two other movies, it's like, the well, they won't. they You want them to get together by the end. And then they do. And then it's life happens.
00:57:20
Speaker
Do you know ah how Richard Latheter was inspired these? Yeah, I know like the real-life thing that happened where like he met this woman on a trip, hit it off, they said goodbye, and then never saw each other again. he just kept thinking about it and hoped to see her again. So he did, you yeah, I know. he did all those movies hoping to see her again, and then he found out she died before the first one even came
Character Struggles and Future Speculations
00:57:44
Speaker
out.
00:57:44
Speaker
Damn. Yeah, which is just fucking heartbreaking. I was about to say that I didn't know that last part about like him trying to to fight her that she was she was dead because i at first I was like I'm jealous that never happens on my trips where so I mean so when we fall in love and then we get the long for each other but now I'm not jealous because the last part sounds bad yeah it's just really sad Because I don't think he found out until he finished Midnight. No, he didn't find out until after he made Sunrise. Oh, it was just Sunrise. Okay, I thought I had read he'd done the whole thing and then found out. It was just that first movie when he finished that, that's when he found out. Okay, all right, that still sucks. That's still really sad.
00:58:29
Speaker
I just had this thought in my head that he did the whole thing and then found out, which is like horrible, must feel horrible. You made it more tragic, head on the head. Yeah, I made it even more tragic in my head. Well, narratively, you know, it makes more sense. You punched it up. Yeah, exactly. You punched it up. You punched it up. For the movie version, that's what's going to happen. You know, when they make a movie out of Richard Linklater's life or when he makes his own movie autobiographically, you know, what he's going to do. Much like Nouvelle Vogue. Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:02
Speaker
That's one. I still got to see that. i love Blue Moon. I miss Nouvelle Vogue because it was a fucking Netflix movie and I just like, You know? Yeah. I'll say right now, just honestly speaking, you know, prioritize the before trilogy before you watch that one. Yeah. Those movies are great. You gotta watch it. Sunset is the best one for sure.
00:59:23
Speaker
I really enjoyed Sunrise. I just haven't gotten around to the other ones. Mm-hmm. Sunset ah plays out almost in real time. like but That's a movie where it's like it'ss like an 80 minute thing.
00:59:35
Speaker
It's like the pit. except yeah That's how we bring it back. Alashimi. What are your thoughts on Alashimi? oh Tragic. poor or Poor girl. I mean, yeah. I hope we can figure out some way to make it work.
00:59:50
Speaker
Yeah, when she's going through the options of like what she can do, because she does a great job of conveying like the terror of like we've talked about in in the last episode we did of like she's, i you know, like had like little moments before, like when she said like, oh, people just think i'm I'm thoughtful. But like the fact that she's had like she sees twice in one day like this is completely new.
01:00:15
Speaker
And yeah and also I did catch on the on the rewatch. She's like one of the things it could be is that I'm working in peds and this is my first time working in peds since Afghanistan. She saw like a lot of dead kids and stuff probably. Yeah. Like and like the PTSD from the times when she does have the seizures. I think it is. a It's usually around like the first ones with baby. i think the second one was around a child breather.
01:00:40
Speaker
Yeah. The kid with asthma. Yeah. Yeah. yeah So like, he could very you know, these seizures could be trauma, you know, linked, I guess. And doesn't she have her own issues with children or something, too? Like she she is a mom. Like she referenced that. But but we don't get like the specifics on her home life. I feel like a lot of the characters like like like throw out things about their home life.
01:01:04
Speaker
maybe we have the big, the best idea of like McKay since her family actually does show up and in the hospital last season, like last season, but like, otherwise we kind of just, she references the like she or her perspective, she's like a little judge here since she's become a mom, but we don't know exactly like what that looks like, like her relationship with, with her kids. But like the, the thing about Afghanistan makes sense.
01:01:25
Speaker
And, ah but it's like, what can she do in terms of the options is like, okay, there's other anti-seizure medicines. Uh, brain surgery is on the table. is that or Is that like device or something that could like detect if she's having one and immediately stop it.
01:01:42
Speaker
But then you have to surgically implant that that's still like a form yeah surgery to like put that in. So like yeah, that's how you know she's full on the AI, ah you know, pipeline, right? Like she's full on for whatever ah Elon Musk has going on, you know, she's like yeah's my consciousness is going on the cloud.
01:02:02
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. That's what Al Hashimi wants. She's just going to be like a screen next season. you She gets rolled in and it's just like her floating head. It's like, hello, i am Al Hashimi.
01:02:14
Speaker
Robbie, the customer satisfaction scores are 2%. two per cent Lower than they're supposed to be. You've got from alishimi to AI alishimi. Oh, there we go. got it. Don't even have to change it. Yeah. No. But the the the thing um with alishimi, I think that ah is interesting, is that ah similar to the Mohan conversations, right? I think that it is a really...
01:02:41
Speaker
interesting predicament that we have ourselves in where it's again Robbie like you know telling these women like what's best for them kind of thing yeah although I guess in Alashimi's case that is like a legitimate it's valid right I'm not you know going against that you know it's like the show is made that way you know it didn't have to be that way Right. And the show is built around, you know, like Robbie being the glue in this hospital. He's validated in that sense, you know, by the end of this episode.
01:03:12
Speaker
Right. He is still something that is a stabilizing force that needs to be there for it to be operating as efficiently as it is. He's validated in that sense. I think yeah that's kind of an issue.
01:03:24
Speaker
And think that that's actually narratively not as interesting as other realms they could have gone in. Oh, like if if like the hospital were more functional without Robby, that idea. That, and then also Alashimi's case.
01:03:39
Speaker
um i think Well... think what we're talking about is... What I can't say to that, what I can't say to that is I did read a thing about with the creators, or maybe it was Noah Wiley or maybe it was the creators, but what I do remember, they did give some details about like...
01:03:54
Speaker
ah season three, like, Robbie apparently is going to take, instead of three months, the sabbatical is going to go for four months. o Good.
01:04:06
Speaker
Good. so More time off. Yeah, so, like, I think that might end up partially, you know, might be a little bit about what that season, you know, might end up being about is how does this hospital function without Robbie?
01:04:20
Speaker
na And it might function well, you know? It could totally go smooth with that. And it already comes back and it's a shit show. Because the best case scenario that she pitches is like, okay, well, we have another attending to cover and, ah you know, they can do the yeah high the high risk, you know, procedures where you don't have to worry about it. And that that system just works. She has some kind of new medication or and maybe she does get the implant. Like, so they figure out a way and it does actually all work without him. That is possible. And ah they haven't I mean, they didn't say anything about like three attendings on at all times or something. And then like, yeah, they're OK.
01:05:02
Speaker
ah But yeah, because they haven't said that she's not coming back. So like we it's kind of it's it's it's ah unclear the path forward for for the the character. I would love to see her come back.
01:05:13
Speaker
ah It does feel like he is coming back. Oh, okay. They did say she was going to be back, but this was not your final appearance. She is going to come back. So in a way, it is kind of a shame that the only, seemingly the only cast member that like confirming, confirmed is not coming back is a Mahon.
01:05:31
Speaker
That's what's so weird. So like if anything that, yeah, that's, ah you know, when they're advertising itself, when it's advertising itself is like anybody, you know, it's ah everyone's shifting, you know, Noah's working a day and they've only announced one person. Again, it makes me think there's got to be more down the line that are not coming back.
01:05:48
Speaker
I mean, there were a bunch of people from the first season who weren't and this had like, you know, showed up briefly. Yeah. Let me complicate it even further. So apparently the actress who plays Alashimi had also, ah you know, auditioned for Mohan.
01:06:04
Speaker
I did not know that. Wow. So I think that that adds a real wrinkle to this scenario, right? Like if if that's the case, right? And they wrote her a role in the second season because they couldn't have her on as Mohan. And then they just stealthily write Mohan out because they just wanted this actor on.
01:06:22
Speaker
Like that that definitely does wrinkle things, you know? A bit. I mean, it's one of those things, too. You know, like, you you just, like, there's um there's so much you you know you don't know about, like, the working situation. Of course, of Yeah. All their relationships, what that set was actually like.
01:06:39
Speaker
Like, you know, it's it's ah hard to talk about without, like, just sort of, like, theorizing, like, this is what happened. I mean, that's that that's what we're doing is just speculating. Like, we don't know. so like, and until something...
01:06:51
Speaker
Until something else comes out down the line. But the fact is, like, they could easily this could be the end of the line for other characters. But we as far as we know, they are coming back. Like like we said, Al Hashimi, but also Whitaker doesn't come back.
01:07:05
Speaker
Whitaker, even Dr. J could have had an out this episode in terms of like where she's deciding where she wants to go. And it seems like there's a ah ah pivot. I mean, if she's doing emergency psychiatry in the emergency room, they you know, it makes sense she would still be around and she still has to do like the rest of her residency. I think that's how that works. Like you set have to do that before you can do the specialty. ah But ah they kind of lifetime of Robbie ignoring her to look forward to.
01:07:35
Speaker
they yeah They give her her own wheelchair. ah ah
01:07:43
Speaker
She has her own accident and ends up in a wheelchair. it was her mother. or Her mom pushed her down the stairs because she's like, you can't be in emergency medicine.
01:07:55
Speaker
You can't be a therapist. She was doing a TikTok. She was TikTok-ing in like a very dangerous place and injured herself. Stairwell. You never TikTok in a stairwell. yeah yeah Robbie said he looked at those. When did he have the time? Because we were still with like, I think he was just trying to make her feel better. i think he's just going off of what McKay said and was like, you know what? He was just like, you know, trying to rein in his like dickishness a little bit.
01:08:24
Speaker
A little bit. He feels more human this episode, right? and Yeah, for sure. He's not like fully off the brink. you know Really, the only time he gets all he loses it is with Thalashimi, where he gets into... like a you know Really, she's one who yells more than yeah him, but like he's still very... He's bit...
01:08:45
Speaker
mean or a bit, you know, stern. It it was the Duke conversation, right? Like, Duke talking to him, and that was what really talked him off the line. I think also Abbott, you know, Abbott's conversation.
01:08:58
Speaker
I think it's the succession of those, because it's like Duke first kind of wears down his armor. Like, it's kind of everyone's been, like, wearing him down throughout the day, so having it in that order. or It's like Duke, then Abbott, and then finally Langdon goes in for the kill. Yeah.
01:09:12
Speaker
and Yeah. Well, and then, and then baby goes in for the saves. Yeah. yeah But i think it's also interesting too, right? Because it's like all of this stuff happened in this day and Robbie is hearing it this way, right? Like we are hearing it now, right? But like,
01:09:32
Speaker
you know, weeks, months from now, people are going to remember the day that Dr. Robbie just fucking lost it, you know? It was like running around yelling at everybody, right? And ah the reputation that Langdon has in this this season will probably not be too dissimilar from the reputation that ah Robbie you will have. And the difference is is that like Robbie thrives on positive affirmation, right? He is the the the golden child in a sense, right? if When he comes back, is if he's a little rusty, that's going to devastate him a lot more than if Langdon was rusty. yeah
01:10:10
Speaker
Yeah. Like if he tries some maverick shit to save someone and it doesn't. Oh God, and then he fucks up and they die. Like with what like times worse for him?
01:10:20
Speaker
Where does that send him? Because it's like, yeah, he would have been fucked up if Langdon like paralyzed that guy or whatever with with the spinal, but not the same way as that if it had been personally him like, it you know, ah yeah it didn't work that way. And then he's like proud of Langdon. But, you know, but the fact of like if it was Robbie personally, like that's something that would just be such a blow to him.
01:10:43
Speaker
Or if like the baby and the mom died or something that. He could barely keep it together in that room. Like as soon as he saw the baby like cry and that he was breathing, like he had to leave. Yeah, he needed to leave. His eyes were like he was about to fully lose it Yeah.
01:11:01
Speaker
Fucking
Robbie's Personal Journey and Symbolism
01:11:02
Speaker
tremendous performance from now to while this whole season. Like, anything that we are saying about, like, you know, the writing, right, or, like, Noah Wiley himself, separate from that, he is an amazing actor. Yeah, like, as an actor, it's, like, really fucking incredible work.
01:11:21
Speaker
i'm Just, like, yeah always say it's, like, it's more interesting to watch an actor try not to cry than have a big breakdown, and that's, like, him this whole season. it's him holding it back and yeah fighting it and the the show does a ah great job in terms of centering his pain because that's ultimately the thing that's like holding the season together but it's also the thing that's like crumbling it um the thing that's been from an audience perspective I see some people getting like upset about it feeling repetitive and I feel like in the way that like we get to this final episode it's like
01:11:58
Speaker
This is what it was always building towards, you know, it wasn't just like, you know, Robbie was freaking out. It was that it was Robbie's freaking out and then it's going to mean something. And I think that when we got to where it, what it meant, I think that that was like a nice bow.
01:12:13
Speaker
You can complain about how everybody else was handled. I'm not sure if you can really complain about how his arc is being handled. Yeah, like I think like they did a really stellar job handling Robby this season.
01:12:26
Speaker
Because any complaints... Yeah, some of the other arcs, yeah, I got, like, you know, having issues with Robby. Yeah. Yeah. yeah if you had complaints about other characters, I could see it, but it's like, because they chose to center Robbie in like, to make those like, feel his art. Cause I get what you were saying earlier, Tony, about Al Hashimi of like, is it as interesting if that validates Robbie's concern? And ah like, maybe not, but in terms of like, where we see where that, cause like, yes, he is correct in his fears of like, oh, maybe she's not fit to, to, to do this.
01:13:01
Speaker
But, I feel like the show doesn't let him off the hook too because it's like, yeah, this is a right, a proper concern. But in terms of like where like maybe you need to calm down because you are making this out of you. Yeah.
01:13:13
Speaker
Like I feel i felt like that was kind of what was interesting about it to me is the fact that like he was right, but he just was not in his right mind to tell her. Exactly. and And that's an interesting delineation point, right? And I think that that does matter, right? ah But ultimately, ah it is a situation where he is at, you know, he can take that blow a bit more, you know?
01:13:39
Speaker
And because he can take that blow, he's not able to see his own ah ah wrongdoings in the same ways that the people lower him than him can, you know? Again, this whole season, Langdon, you know, punished Langdon, you know, everything that happened to him, all the hubbub, you know, people are talking about behind his back, you know, nobody reached out, you know, those were the consequences, right? Like Robbie can't take that smoke and he is like in that position to take that smoke right now, you know? So like, not to sound like a broken record, but it's like, I feel like he's setting himself up for, and we're going to see the fallout from the season and it's going to get much worse because of the way that he's acted today.
01:14:19
Speaker
Yeah. What if he doesn't have playful banter with Dana next season? Because even after their like their their moment this this season, she the beginning of this episode, they're still kind of doing like a little back and forth. Yeah, they had a little back and forth. When she's taking care of baby Jane Doe. love the bit in the bitten beginning where... ah ah he's having the argument with Alashimi, and then you just see Dana pass by in the background and give a look, and then like a couple minutes later, one of the nurses comes in and is like, Dana needs to see you with the the baby Jane Doe.
01:14:53
Speaker
ah There's an issue, there's an issue or whatever, and then he goes and then you know walks in and she's like, oh, nope, false alarm. But really, he was she was just trying to get him out of there because that's not good, whatever's going on.
01:15:08
Speaker
She was trying to pacify him, I think, of like, look, baby. yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You want to adopt this baby? Think about it. Come on. Take it. Nobody else wants this baby. It's the end of the day. We'll sell you this baby for half price. You know, like, come on. You just have to sign this contract. It's really like the perfect way to, like,
01:15:28
Speaker
conclude the baby and Robbie's arc. Like, cause like a whole season, you're just like, what the hell is this baby? What is the, you know, the whole, you were saying earlier, like whole episodes would would, you know, go baby Jane Doe's like maybe mentioned once or something.
01:15:42
Speaker
ah but like, and then you're thinking like, oh, maybe one of them will adopt her or something might happen with her, but you just don't know like what the whole point is. But then the second, you know, he walks in at the last scene, you're like, oh, Yeah.
01:15:57
Speaker
It was so obvious that I felt dumb for not considering it because I was like, I would have thought of like a bunch of other characters adopting the baby before Robbie when it's like, no, this is the Robbie show and he needs a reason to live. So like, what did it be Robbie would be interesting. I didn't even take,
01:16:14
Speaker
take it as he's going to adopt it. I don't know that he is. i just mean in terms of like yeah that that would have been the conclusion to someone's arc, you know, of like that they, someone else like connected to the base. I mean, they all, lot people had moments. But also just the whole idea that like,
01:16:31
Speaker
The whole season, everyone in the hospital is trying to reach out to him, but they're kind of failing. You know, they kind of reach through, but not not fully. And it's like the only only way he's actually able to, you know, reach through is with the baby and, like, actually going through reasons to live.
01:16:49
Speaker
Well, because like he says to Abbott, like, I don't know that there's not a part of me that dies every time he sees death. Like, that's all that he's consumed with is death. So the baby is literally life, you know, like that's the opposite of death. So it's like, hey, remember, there's other stuff. Like whether or not he literally wants that. I mean, he has that when he's talking to Mohan where he's talking about like, oh, life doesn't go the way you want. I, you know, thought about, what does say, like ah a family? and I really believe that. yeah Yeah, I wanted a family with two kids and a night and a good house or something.
01:17:27
Speaker
Like something about a cabin by the lake. Right after he says goodbye to Whitaker and sees you know him with ah his his the girl friend.
01:17:39
Speaker
the fun With a space in between those two words because they're not in a relationship. But she is his friend yeah who is a girl, who is a kid. Let's search right his car. or Her car. He just worked 15 hours.
01:17:51
Speaker
Yeah, and then and then she gets out for him to drive. But gives him a nice, you know, low low loving smile.
01:18:02
Speaker
I mean, he was there for the birth of that child, right? Because she was still pregnant last season when the husband died. So, like, ah he's basically the father of the cheat kid. I mean, yeah, mean not biologically, but... i yeah Yeah, he's the the father that stepped up for sure, yeah.
01:18:21
Speaker
If we're talking about Whitaker in relation to Robbie, something that we've been talking about ah leading up to the finale has been this question of like Whitaker being the replacement of Langdon. And what I love about this episode ending is that it actually reveals, no, Whitaker was not Langdon's replacement. Whitaker is what Robbie wants to be. he yeah idealizes ah Whitaker. Whitaker is actually the like positive ideal of what Robbie should be. and And that makes all of the things that make Whitaker an issue and his own things you know more interesting as well, right? Because Robbie isn't even cognizant of those things.
01:18:59
Speaker
All of that aside, right? like The ending question of like is ah Robbie you know adopting Jane Doe? I don't think that that's the question here. Yeah, I don't think That's what's happening. No, no. I see this as Robbie is going to go on a three-month sabbatical.
01:19:16
Speaker
Jesus, you know, he died, came back three days later. He's going to go on his three-month sabbatical and come back, you know. months later. That's what this is doing. as we've As I've learned in this episode, right? now in Us talking about it. ah But from the way that the show is presenting it, they are doing a kind of biblical, you know, like correlation thing. And I i see this more so as like a rebirth of ah Robbie, whether or not that rebirth is actually, you know, something that's positive. Might be the heck of the...
01:19:48
Speaker
Exactly. People change for the worse or they try to change and then it doesn't take, you know, of like, you know, like they're like, i or nu or no matter how little or much they change, the person they were is too, you know, much for everyone else that like they can't allow that person sound to. Exactly.
01:20:07
Speaker
Because what if Jesus came back and and and people were like, I don't know. I don't know about that Jesus guy. was like Too much. Too much. he was like He was like going around like yelling at everyone, making really vague threats about like maybe killing himself or something.
01:20:23
Speaker
makes him like everybody cry. It was really bad. listen Yeah. ah Like like what he did with the fish and the wine that was really impressive. You know, like i like like, i you know, i love a good magician. You know, I'll just say it. I don't know how he did it. But but but but like he spends a lot of time around lepers, you know, and like i don't want leprosy, you know, like just personally, you know, like I've lived a good life so far.
01:20:48
Speaker
Like, I know he can walk on water, but can he swim? do we know? Yeah, he yeah right? Do do we need a lifeguard? you know like Yeah, like if some child is drowning in the ocean, can can we trust Jesus to save that child if he can't even touch the water properly?
01:21:03
Speaker
What happens at that point? That's two people drowning now. That's two people drowning now. That's not one person saving another. That's two people drowning. yeah And then that would be a payoff to the water slide. People like, where was that going? It was like, no, that's paid off next season when Robbie drowns. And then you're like, that was, it's tied to the water slide.
01:21:24
Speaker
That was the issue. Somebody tried to run down the water slide. They couldn't walk on water. And that's what caused the accident. Yeah. They saw Jesus do it. And they're like, me, me, me, me too, me too, me too. And then, and then, you know.
01:21:37
Speaker
Yeah. We don't talk about how Jesus is actually a bad role model is what you're talking about, Jared. And I agree.
01:21:49
Speaker
i mean, look at where we are today. and look at We've tried this Jesus stuff for years now, right? And this just didn't work. You know, it didn't take You know, got to look at something else.
01:22:01
Speaker
might be actually bad to do that. So yeah, maybe try something different. Yeah. I don't know. Who else is out there besides Jesus, the Buddha? and Maybe the Baha'i people got it right.
01:22:15
Speaker
The who people? The Baha'i? Oh, you know, fucking, what's his name from The Office? Is it his Baha'i? Yeah, yeah, I watched that Adam Friedland interview.
01:22:27
Speaker
i already knew about the Baha'i. I actually have friends are Baha'i. didn't know anything about it until I watched that Adam Friedland interview. Yeah, no, I only knew because of proximity. I didn't, it would sound like I'm behind the Baha'i.
01:22:43
Speaker
i knew I knew it was a thing. I just forgot what the name of it was. You know, I was like, yeah, there's a thing where people think is like, oh, we're all connected. It was like, oh, kind of sounds like the force.
01:22:54
Speaker
But they gave it a different name. No, no, no. You got to think about it. Like, it's kind of like every religion is a part of the Avengers. You know, like that's what the high is. You know, like at all all religions are like valid in that. It's like that dude in Heretic. Heretic.
01:23:11
Speaker
you know He's not behind, but he's kind of, you know, he's like, he's like studied all the religions. He's like, he's like aware of about how they coalesce and everything. don't know. just took the one bad thing from all.
01:23:22
Speaker
Focus on that. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we call cool and rad. That's the right way to do religion. You know, take the kind where you kidnap women and try and force them to become the next birth of Christ or whatever the fuck. Is it McKay in Heretic as well?
01:23:41
Speaker
McKay? she's not. about that you think so? It's girl from Yellow Jackets and then the girl. Sophie Thatcher and Chloe East. Yeah. Who dated ah Sammy Favelman. Yeah. His Christian girlfriend. And yeah. the yeah fucking Oh, also, wasn't she ah the the robot android companion? Companion. Was that her? Oh, is that so Sophie Thatcher was. Yeah. Yeah.
01:24:11
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, Sophie Thatcher is in it. Yeah, Sophie Thatcher in Heretic. Right? i didn't know wrong Am I getting my names wrong? No, you're right. on that world That's a kiss. I'm right. Okay.
01:24:23
Speaker
I was wrong with vienna Fiona Dorff. I looked it up. I don't know what... I know that she was cast in another A24 movie coming out soon. Yeah, because I've mostly just seen her do TV stuff. like ah that that i notice She was in like those Chucky, you know the the new Chucky 2013 and whatnot.
01:24:45
Speaker
Head Full of Ghosts. That's the movie that she was just announced in. Is that Robert Downey Jr. in that one? David Harbour. Yeah, Robert Downey Jr. David Harbour. It's a lateral move.
01:25:00
Speaker
Well, at that age, isn't it marginal?
01:25:05
Speaker
but look I mean, there's so many crazy things he said, but the fact that he said that to a the movie might have been confusing it with Tenet.
01:25:20
Speaker
Interesting. think Fiona Jordan's in Tenet. She is the one who is explaining the temporal pincer. Like when yeah Aaron Taylor Johnson keeps saying cowboy shit, that's cowboy shit. And then she comes out and like the, egg phrase she's like the tutorial girl and in ah in the gameplay who's like about to tell you like, here's how it works. Like hot air is cold. Like you can get frozen and from fire.
01:25:43
Speaker
Yeah. It's like the other one was the bullet tutorial
Nolan's Films and Apolitical Art
01:25:46
Speaker
woman. And then she is the temporal pincer movement tutorial woman. That was a fun movie. I like it. i don't know.
01:25:54
Speaker
I do too. i i didn't like, the first time I watched it was like at home on my tv My attention was probably wavering. i did didn't hit for me. Probably watched it one more time and still was like, eh. And then when I came back out on IMAX, I went to go see that and then I was like, all right, okay, I get it now. yeah i saw I saw it at the re-release and that was like, I was already a fan of it, but I,
01:26:21
Speaker
Like, I'm not expecting anyone to follow me on this, but as a preference, if you were ask me, like, would I rather watch Tenet or would I rather watch Inception? Tenet's more fun. You'd rather watch Tenet? I'm not going to say it's the better movie, but it's, like, I have more fun watching Tenet. Like, that's my kind of sci-fi nonsense. thing, is that, like, Inception, the problem, though, is Inception is, like, so burned into everyone's memory that, like, Tenet, not so much.
01:26:47
Speaker
where So I can kind of see, like, you know, you've seen an Inception a bajillion times, but ten you know maybe not as many, maybe a million times. Yeah. don't know. You know, fucking, just a little one zero less, a couple zeros less.
01:27:04
Speaker
but Yeah, yeah. This a reductive way to look at it, right? But sometimes I look at, like, filmography is from, like, the history book standpoint, right? And, like, when I think about, like, the history books, when we're to write about Christopher Nolan, right? What is Inception, right? It was a movie that, like, completely changed the way not only that, like, sci-fi films were done, but all action blockbusters from that period were done. It changed the way they were marketed. It was a movement, right? Not just in the way... does that go exactly And that was what everyone was chasing. Tenet was just a really interesting movie that like, like that's like, if we're looking at Hitchcock, right? Like, uh, yeah. Tenet's like a minor, you know, a minor work in like the grand scale of his filmography. Yeah.
01:27:49
Speaker
But I still think it's a lot of fun and like there's a lot of really cool shit in it Like some of those minor works are really cool. You know, like one of my favorite. yeah I love the the fight sequence for, you know, one guy's going forwards, the other guy's going backwards. The whole car chase going backwards. And then the whole war sequence going backwards.
01:28:09
Speaker
ordered my hot sauce an hour ago. That's a great line. Iconic. This is a classic, iconic line now. and but The opera opening, the opera siege. It's so good.
01:28:21
Speaker
it has an original tweet Travis Scott song. read I read some like one of the streamers had it set to like the movie start. Like you hit the skip intro and it just skips to the first gunshot in the opera sequence. Yeah.
01:28:37
Speaker
Just skips to immediately the conductor guy you you conductor getting shot. Well, that's when it starts. Yeah. that's like That's really when the movie starts. you don't need You don't need that extra literally one minute of buildup.
01:28:48
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No, that' that's the that's the package that they put in the IMAX theaters when they sell, you know, the Christopher Nolan. Every time he puts in a movie, they're like, here's the first like 15 minutes of the movie. Yeah. how that's always started up That's what that was.
01:29:04
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And, you know, now we got the Odyssey opening seven or five minutes or however long that we're going to just see ad nauseum until that comes up. I mean, i really I really like that opening. so Yeah, I do too. I don't mind seeing it. Because you're like, oh, well, we're seeing as Trojan Horse, we've seen this so many times. But they made they they made it it. So it's just them hiding in the horse when they're like holding their breath. John Berthold no scopes someone with a spear. My only only slight
01:29:38
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note is that when the guy got slashed, there should have been blood on that sword. Yeah, I mean, PG-13-ness of his stuff is kind of, no like, there'll be brutality and stuff. but but favor was because they in not this It made so much money that you, like, yeah, it doesn't matter even. and they had to and Didn't they censor for India? They did. oh They added a, black like, a... Oh, when they when they put the dress on... Yeah, they added a dress onto Florence Pugh, yeah. Yeah, on Zach Braff's ex. Yeah.
01:30:10
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they that He requested that as For the Odyssey, because like, I'm assuming it's all violence. they don't care about violence over there. They're all right with that shit. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Is there going to be there's not going to be. Well, it's PG-13, so there can't be sex in in the artist. Yeah, make it R. Why is that? There can be a little bit of there can be you do a little bit, you know, Hamnet for all the things people like to dog it.
01:30:38
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That sex scene is pretty spicy for PG-13. Mm hmm. You know, ah like I'm just, you know, I remember seeing that movie in theaters. I was sitting directly next to a family with like young children and a mom covered the kid's eyes when that happened. That's a classic. Yeah.
01:30:58
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I think the root that we're trying to get to here is that in the Odyssey, if Tom Holland doesn't show his penis, then it's a bad movie. Right. why moron like If they don't show an on-screen decapitation, throat slitting, or bloodbath, I'll be a little bit like, come on. Or John Leguizamo's penis. The Odyssey is like so violent. All of them. you know let's start a new trend in Hollywood films, bottomless men, you know, rather than topless, you know, like that's what it is, right? Oh, topless women, bottomless dudes.
01:31:31
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That's what it is. i mean Yeah, that that's a category. It's just applied to movies now. have they so Have they said who... ah like I mean, we know who's like in the ensemble, but they haven't said who everyone is playing. Yeah,
01:31:49
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who's Elliot? page Have they said anything about Elliot Page other than that he's in it? Because that's exciting. like I haven't seen him in anything for... like He did that Umbrella Academy show, and then I feel like he just had he's just been... like Which is fine. like He doesn't owe me like you need to be in front of the camera all the time. I feel like...
01:32:07
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ah Elliot Page is going to play the skeletons that Jason and the Argonauts have to fight. Hell yeah. We need to put skeletons in the movie. He plays the sidebar.
01:32:18
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Hell
01:32:22
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um The Pit. Let's get back to The Pit. um The Pit. yeah Right. Elliot Page has barely been in anything this, ah I guess because of the Umbrella Academy, but like their movie called Close to You from 2023, movie or a short film called The Tiger from last year. I forgot about the Flatliners remake. I never saw that. Yeah. And then like the Flatliners remake from 2017. But was like already almost 10 years ago?
01:32:49
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Yeah, exactly. pre Yeah, pre-transition everything, you know. It was like right before... Like, let's call spade a spade, right? Like, Elliot Page is being treated differently because they're a transactor, right? And yeah they're not getting as much role opportunities. Yeah, although, you know, the hope is that with the Odyssey, that things will change.
01:33:08
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Exactly. Because it's Nolan, you know? It's like, there's going to be in front of so many eyes. And let's be real, like, Nolan casting him, you know? That's a G move, right? Also because they work together already, you know? Exactly. It's a G move.
01:33:22
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like I think that's him signaling like nothing has changed. This is a talented actor that I want to work with. Cast him, you know? like yeah Exactly. Because L.A.T. was great. had a great time with him on Inception. Why not? You know?
01:33:37
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Yep. All it's there. Yeah, we can bring him into the Odyssey. The pit. Yeah, I'm excited. Make all the right wingers steam. Yeah. team Or stew with anger or whatever.
01:33:49
Speaker
Steen coming out of Their armor's not even accurate. That's a fucking Macedonian's whatever head. It looks cool as hell. He's got a spine coming the back of his head. It looks awesome. Shut up, you nerd.
01:34:03
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you Go back in the locker where you belong. Knock the books out of their hand. Yeah. out of my way historical accuracy about myth stuff is just so it's like yeah there there aren't even enough never existed it's fiction grow up I just want more mythology period like make more movies based on this stuff you don't even need to buy the rights to it yeah just do it Yeah. like All those gods and stuff. that aus Yeah, it was cinematic universe. The Zeus movie. Alex Proyas had the right idea, you know, like make good gods of Egypt, you know, like that's a cinematic universe, right? I that movie and I never finished it for no good reason. Just got interrupted. And then I think I was that's just where but watching it with my ex. Are you? Are you? Got sidetracked.
01:34:53
Speaker
What? or No, I was about to say to Tony, are you recommending it? Because you said that you're missing out. yeah like Yes. i should I should watch God's of... Well, yeah, no, it definitely... just it is like ah It's a funny movie. like It's like, you know, ah they had a lot of money.
01:35:09
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Everything is very like garish and bright and like rubbery CG. Chadwick Boseman's there. ah Sure, why not? It's not. Hell yeah.
01:35:23
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They've got the most Egyptian villain ever, Gerard Butler. Right. I mean, i love you some Jerry Butts. that's the The reason to watch the movie though...
01:35:35
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the the movie The reason to watch the movie, and I'm not sure if you even got to that point, Jared, but do you remember Jeffrey Wright? Sorry, not Jeffrey Wright. Jeffrey Rush. Who does he play? he plays He plays like the keeper of the universe and time itself. yeah I mean, that's just what he does. they They just were filming him at his house, right? Yeah.
01:35:57
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Pretty much. no He's he's on like ah he's on like a giant like plane where he's like the captain of the ship of the plane and it helps control a time. and and and yeah Like a plane? plane like a plane like ah like a it's like a It's like a space splash aircraft kind of thing he's in oh yess Yeah, but it's also a plane of existence. You know i mean? like it's like It's able to occupy both of those things. yeah Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Like ah ah ah some little pocket dimension or whatever.
01:36:30
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Yeah, because, you know, God shit, right? Like, it's like one of those things. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I'll watch it. The pit. No, I'll get to I will. it's You know, it's the whole, i I started that with my ex. I'm going to get sad if I finish it by myself. No, I i know how that I'll get to it eventually, though. think It might be the thing where I might need to be in a group of people watching it, you know, that kind of thing. ah That's probably a good group watch.
01:36:57
Speaker
Yeah, it'll happen. It'll happen. two options. One, these guys got juice, commentary, uh, gods of Egypt. That's how we can get through it. B, uh, you find Gerard Butler, right? And you watch it with him.
01:37:11
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but
01:37:14
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Yeah, it could happen. are there those very viable options? And then he asks you to be in Den of Thieves 3. Yeah. would love to be in... i No, I go in hoping to be in Den of Thieves 3, and then he asks me to be in Greenland 3.
01:37:31
Speaker
that that That would sting. I mean, they're probably fun movies. I just haven't seen them yet. I haven't seen the Greenlands. Yeah. I'm still waiting on plane to the sequel. to Oh, yeah. Because it's going to be like a boat now. That's happening now. Yeah, it is. I thought that plane two would be jet.
01:37:51
Speaker
No, we got to go to different mode of transportation. Right? What about rocket? You're on a space. Yeah, right? Like, like i feel like you got to level Space plane. Well, you got to save space. Too many franchises go to space too quickly. I think... No, that's where you got it wrong. you got You can't save space. You got to hold space.
01:38:10
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ah You got it. I didn't know what people were doing. Ha ha ha ha
01:38:18
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and Did we just say Pittsburgh and Philadelphia were the same place again? Because we were doing that. Oh, I did make that mistake, didn't I? It feels like they should. like Now I made the mistake. It feels like, no, but I do it mentally in my brain because Pittsburgh is, we we already looked this up before, right? Massachusetts.
01:38:37
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No, Pittsburgh is Pennsylvania. It's just an area in yeah Yeah. Pittsburgh and Philly are two different places. Yeah. Yeah. um So, you know, that's why I was i was i was saying, what you know, what if jar juar Jerry Butler was making an action movie in Pittsburgh? Not Philly.
01:38:58
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Right. Specific. That was my mistake. during this during that During the period that everybody just heard, you know, all of our all of the listen all the listeners just heard that. All the stuff off mic, yes. yeah We actually just pitched the best movie ever, but we decided to keep it off mic because that's where' that's too good of a idea. We pitched the coolest idea for a pit season, but we're not going to hear it.
01:39:21
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Sorry. oh Listen, I'm not going to spoil too much, but I'll say one thing. Kevin Spacey, call us. but He's f Frank Underwood in it, too. Yeah. Cross over. Bye. What a terrible predicament we found ourselves in.
01:39:39
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We just organized a mini little ah firing squad just for him. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. he He thinks he's there for, like, professional business, but he's actually there for the shooting, the firing squad.
01:39:50
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Yeah. He's like, wow, these guns look really realistic. yeah This is a mighty fine firepower you gentlemen have. Hopefully it's not for us myself.
01:40:03
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And then it goes off. Anyway, the pit. You guys, okay, so like not to completely derail this conversation, but yeah have you guys seen the 60s Casino Royale?
01:40:17
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No, not yet, but I know it's like a parody, right? Yeah, it's like it a parody of James Bond's before they even did James Bond's. But like there's unfortunately one amazing moment of comedy with Woody Allen where because Woody Allen is a main character of this movie. Right. Jimmy Bond, right? Yeah.
01:40:39
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I'll spoil it. He's the villain. It's revealed that he's villain. Okay, okay. ah but Just like in real life. Exactly. There's a sequence that's unfortunately hilarious with Woody Allen where he's at a... He's funny. He's a funny guy. It's okay. We can admit Yeah, he's funny.
01:40:56
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He's brought out to the firing wall, right? They're going to shoot him. He climbs over the wall. He gets over it's the other side of the wall, and it's another firing squad. That's Kevin Spacey. Yeah, there you go. That's what it is. yeah That sounds like a naked gun bit.
01:41:10
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should watch it. I'd probably like it. It's a good movie. I liked it. Orson Welles is in it. That balances it out. Yeah, exactly. Orson Welles. That's how people talk shit. He's got great quote about Woody Allen, too.
01:41:24
Speaker
That's how he's probably able to get to know him. Oh, and he's playing the same character as Le Chiffre. That's Matt Mickelson in Casino Royale. Yep. Oh, my God. The movie is worth watching, I'm telling you. Yeah. Does he cry blood? It is kind of amazing that they did the parody Casino Royale like half a century before the Sincere Casino Royale. Like, when does that ever happen?
01:41:50
Speaker
Like, that never happened. Right? Like, first a farce, 50 years later, then it's a tragedy. And then when they finally do it, it's, like, way better, you know? Like, the farce is, like, fine, you know? It's a farce. But, like, that's, like, one of the best James Bond movies probably all time. Yeah, it's, like, the best Daniel Craig Bond movie. Oh, easily the best Craig movie. Skyfall being, like, a second, you know, second best.
01:42:19
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um but But, yeah. Yeah. It is one of those things. I want to give it another shot because there's shooters for that. And and i I want to believe when someone makes a case for something that's been undersung or like underprepared. was like, I could because I feel that way about someone. I'm like, no, you don't get it. Angley's Hulk is great. So like I want to I want to I want to follow people on that journey when they like, you know, say like that something. So I'm like, I should give Quan Sal's.
01:42:47
Speaker
another chance. Maybe it like actually whips. I mean, I guess it's like an interesting kind of piece of, of, uh, strike related history. Right. Yeah, exactly. It's like, you know, it's like, uh, it was affected by the writer's strike in 2007.
01:43:03
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That and Transformers 2. Yeah. We all know how Transformers 2 turned out. This is big piece of shit. Complete, complete, complete sidetrack. I'm going to do a complete sidetrack right now. because oh far off We don't do tangents on this podcast. Oh, right.
01:43:20
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This is news to me, actually, Doug. You're letting me know. the ah Okay. ah Do you guys know ah Double Toasted? Do you know Corey Coleman? ah Vaguely.
01:43:32
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Yeah, i I like to know that name. so So he had, ah what's his face? The guy who plays SpongeBob. Oh, Tom Kenny. Yeah, he had Tom Kenny on his podcast to like interview him. And he asked him about the fucking Transformers robots.
01:43:49
Speaker
Like it was the only times that anybody had ever asked Tom Kennedy. What did you say? it like it so So the reason i'm bring it up is because like, so it's interesting to watch it. You should watch this interview. It's like I'm recommending this interview. Yeah. but Yeah. yeah but Again, I have a very personal reason why I'm probably not going to watch the interview for a little while.
01:44:12
Speaker
Fair, fair. But either way, ah the the thing that was interesting about it was that Corey Coleman, like he's not like a huge podcaster, right? He's got ah a huge name to him because he's, you know, one of the first people in the film space to podcast like that. Right. But it was a situation where the publicist started to get involved. Right.
01:44:34
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where they were coming into the the conversation and they weren't fully aware of what was being recorded and what wasn't being recorded. And all of it was kept in.
01:44:45
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so like, you guys should watch it. He spills some tea to is what you're saying. well Tom Kenny gives a really good, honest answer from his perspective as well. Oh yeah, no, yeah he's an awesome dude. very youth Already, already.
01:45:00
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Jared, how have you gone to Smodcastle yet? I have gone to Smodcastle, actually. Yeah, I met Kevin Smith at Smodcastle. ah did ah I did a short film that screened at Smodcastle. That's amazing. That's amazing. that's That's a big flex. That's a massive flex. Yeah. Although the the real kind of embarrassment with that was that the day that the movie screened, my parents and I were just fucking slow and we didn't get there until the movie was almost over.
01:45:28
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So we didn't. And then the other thing, too, is Kevin Smith wasn't actually in the theater on the movie screen. I mean, I met him at like he was there. He he showed up like like a couple hours later for like a breakout, like, ah you know, one of his like Q&A sort of, you know, where he just rambles about, you know, business and everything. that was when. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, is ah is his ah ah communion.
01:45:53
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Yes. um But ah it was funny because the side I had auditioned for the 430 movie or whatever that one was called. that Oh, yeah. That is insane that he didn't hire you. I just got to say right now. So I auditioned for like the silent one.
01:46:11
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Uh, and it was funny cause, uh, uh, you know, I forgot what I asked a question, I think when at the the Q and a portion and I was like, by the way, I did audition for the four 30 movie. Uh,
01:46:25
Speaker
but I said something like, I said something about being like an actor. i said something about like being an actor, trying to get work. and And then like Kevin Smith was like, you said something to my mom. Cause you know, she was there. She was like, was like, Leslie, find your son some work or something. Yeah.
01:46:42
Speaker
I don't know how you knew my mom's name at that point, but but I don't know. I don't know. He said something to that effect, and then and then I was like, well, I did audition for your movie, and then he was like, oh, I feel like he may have fanged. Like, oh, I think I remember you. i don't think he did. I don't know. No, he was covering his ass. That's what that was. Yeah, but you know. Hopefully, Kevin, you know. Then later later on, I told him, like, who I was and everything. He was like, how i was Wes? And yeah he was like, is he like, anal? Is he very anal? i was like, no.
01:47:11
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You know, it's he's very specific. He's very, ah you know, on certain things he can be. But, like, you know, he's a lot. When I worked with him, he was pretty, I wouldn't say easygoing, but, like, he was very kind, very, you know. Competent.
01:47:29
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Yeah, like, yeah, yeah, yeah very competent. um and And, you know, very, you always, like, knew what we were trying to get. Yeah, always knew how to like direct us to get to where we needed to get to. you ah Which is a good director. I mean, yeah, to know how to get what you want. In terms of the detail just the...
01:47:54
Speaker
like the detail or just like the the the way that yeah he just was like always i just I feel like since then I haven't worked with someone who was so open to just doing more and more takes you know until he really felt like we got it.
01:48:10
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As opposed to, we need to hurry up, we need to go. you know ah like I don't remember ever feeling like that on that set. Which, on all the other sets I've been on, and ah there's always been like a a kind of time element.
01:48:25
Speaker
where right now where that probably was a factor on Moonrise, but like I just don't remember that Because like I just remember we'd shoot scenes for as long as we'd need to in order to like get them. there is you know one We shot one version of the the dog death, the post-dog death scene.
01:48:46
Speaker
We shot this other version of it where like i slap susy or Sam slapped and fucking sucker punches Sam in response. because that but It's like this whole thing where like initially Susie sees the dead dog and like starts having like a panic attack and Sam like tries to like slap her out of it and then she takes it, you know. Yeah. and She's like, that's fuck you. That's didn't with and like whacks him and then like you know he apologizes and they make up and then and then it gets to the whole was he a good dog don't know just to say you know that and then you know there's like a whole section but we spent like a whole afternoon shooting that like just doing take after take and like Wes I you even remember like Wes was like all right that's the star take right there that's a double star take right there like you know being very encouraging he wanted to keep them
01:49:35
Speaker
ah yeah But then I guess, you know I bet he was probably looking at the dailies every night and like looking at you know doing little rough edits or doing things and thinking about like tonally how how it'll play out. Because like there were other little things that got edited as we were shooting. like and When ah the um tent gets lifted, and Bill lifts the tent and we're just like holding on to each other.
01:50:01
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in the script, it was supposed to be a bit of a joke where Sam and Susie are just making out really hard when he opens up the tent. But, you know, on a can't time to shoot that, Wes was like, no, let's not do that. That's not going to work. That's not appropriate for this moment.
01:50:18
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That was the right call. I think you had a good call um and So he never filmed that, you know. I wish that that that little fight was in there because like that yeah feels like something that would have been in like in an older children's film, like in a Disney children's film. There were actually a couple moments where like Sam and Susie like physically like got kind of physical. Like there's another moment when they walk off for talking about the wedding, getting married.
01:50:44
Speaker
And it's like the wide shot of the kid on the trampoline. Yeah. Originally, it was supposed to be a bit more of like a shot reverse shot of like Jason watching us and looking back to Jason going going back to us. Because like i I think Sam was supposed to say something that like pissed Susie off.
01:51:05
Speaker
to And then like she puts him in like a chokehold or something. He cuts back and like Sam's in a chokehold. Yeah. Susie's like fucking beating the shit out of him for something. Not beating the shit out, but like, you know, she's like fucking, he said something stupid and she's like kind of kicking his ass a little bit.
01:51:22
Speaker
But then, you know. Anderson had like a more violent version him. Yeah. It's like in the background, you know, a lot more physical comedy. Yeah, there was a little more, a little bit more of that. Or maybe like, I don't know.
01:51:36
Speaker
one other thing, one other little tweak. Yeah. I lost it. I had it and I lost it. But it'll come back. Whatever. i feel like but no one other place why why You know what other place has a lot of tweaks?
01:51:50
Speaker
The pit? every the ba Yeah, that needs some tweaking. If those fans have anything to say, that show's gonna get some tweaking. I'm going to come back and and Robbie is going to be like, I atone for my deep rooted, horrible sexism and racism and homophobia and i and suicidality and ah everything. And I am sorry. I don't know where I was going with that. Mohan and Alex.
01:52:22
Speaker
Yeah. Mohan Alashimi are head of the hospital now. Right. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah Robbie. No, Robbie comes back and goes to hospital jail. They put him in hospital jail. You know, <unk> just like bar next to one of the rooms are just bars. Yeah. Yeah. yeah one One of the it's like instead of like curtains, it's bars. Yeah.
01:52:45
Speaker
He's got like one of those old tin mugs, you know, he's just like, I'm thinking like the opening of season three, you know, it opens and it's got Noah Wiley. It's like an all white, you know, background, you know, and and Noah Wiley, he pulls one of these. He's like, hi, my name's Noah Wiley. You may remember me from such shows as yeah ER r and the pit. And then he's got like a clipboard in front of him.
01:53:09
Speaker
Would be really funny if he's like, you know, he's like, ha sorry, sorry, sorry. He's like, hi, I'm Noah Wiley. You might know me from such hit shows as yeah ER r and the librarians. Yes. And falling skies. skies.
01:53:23
Speaker
and falling skies you You may remember me from such his shows as yeah ER r and ripoffs of other cooler, better things. um but But I'm not insulting the librarians fandom. OK, I'm not starting. Oh, yeah. Those are probably some of them. I watched one of those librarian movies when I was a kid.
01:53:46
Speaker
I want to watch them. I want to binge them. Because, like, in my mind, I view them the same way as those, like, John Voight Super Baby movies. Oh, yeah. But also, though, I feel like those have to be, like, total, like, meme material in the sense of, like, you can take a clip from one of those librarian movies and be like, damn, what the fuck did Robbie get up on during his... Yeah, yeah, exactly. This is sabbatical, you know, like, is what he was up to? Yeah.
01:54:14
Speaker
no I'm hoping that, like, Noah Wiley opens season three just by, like, addressing all of the criticisms. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry so him director to yeah. directing. No, no, it wasn't a good one No, but it's funny. We're doing better.
01:54:29
Speaker
It's just, like, he, like, comes out with, like, a list of, like, all the grievances that people had. He's like, I'm sorry. i totally hear you when it comes to... Robbie is this or that.
01:54:40
Speaker
And the fact that we seemingly have only replaced our non-white actors. We are working. We are trying to be better. Something like, don't know, trying to be better. they overcorrect. Like, we got rid of all white actors. Oh, yeah. I was going to say, like, they're like, they're... addressing critiques that weren't actual critiques right like they're just like you know we've heard from lots of people that there wasn't enough uh representation of ants we've decided to up the ant intake on we're up in the ante there we go exactly there is now a three to one ant to doctor ratio on the show um Yes.
01:55:24
Speaker
that'll That'll fix the ratings. Maybe. i mean, the ratings have been good, but... i meant the discourse. ya what Yeah. Right. now i mean, all those people who complain are like, they're gonna... Because, like, the people were like, yeah, season two really fell off the rail. Or, like, you know like, oh, I saw someone make the comparison to, like, has any show ever blown a first season being so perfect and then season two so much? And then someone in the comments was like, oh, I don't know, Heroes. And they replied, like, but Heroes was peak.
01:55:53
Speaker
who like like everyone knows that fell fell off after what happened for a great first season some would say that the last episode of the first season is where it all went wrong A little bit, maybe. Heroes?
01:56:07
Speaker
Yeah. I did. That was a show that I watched. That was like maybe maybe the first i'd like like network show that I ever watched. Like like network as in like not like a Disney, Nickelodeon cartoon, whatever, you know. Like a, you know, like true, like adult, whatever, yeah you know. This is prime time. This is what, like. Yeah. As it was airing. As it was airing. You know, like I was watching it.
01:56:39
Speaker
Maybe like a couple days later. he My mom and my parents would record the episodes, you know, the DVR of the episodes. And then we would watch them. And then they would they watch them first and then show them to me. we would, like, fast forward through, like.
01:56:53
Speaker
Mainly the Hayden Pentier scenes where she's like getting horribly injured. and then you know Oh, sure. But it's like we're fast-forwarding, and I'm still seeing it. It's just happening fast.
01:57:04
Speaker
It probably looks freakier. If she's like her bones are broken, she's like... yeah but ah But then i i when I was watching stuff with my ex, we yeah because we had just gone through, I think, Lost.
01:57:22
Speaker
We watched that. classic And so I wanted to revisit Heroes. Also because she's somewhat like you know friendly with the the actor that plays the president.
01:57:33
Speaker
Oh, the president ah Adrian Pestar. Yeah, that guy. And so, like, she had never watched Heroes, though. And so I was like, you know that guy and you never watch Heroes. We got to watch Heroes. Pretty crazy. We watched maybe, like, the first half of the first season and then we never finished. Because it was already kind of, like, showing it's...
01:57:56
Speaker
its age a little bit. ah But, and I think we just got distracted like other stuff too. you know, it's what happens. But ah it's it was just funny because like we didn't even get to experience the actual like peak and then decline. It was just like, oh, that's what it was the whole time. Okay, all right.
01:58:14
Speaker
Yeah, like, you you get you get it, like, once you're deep enough into it that you don't need... i mean, from what I remember, like, yeah, there's the drop-off after season one. I kind of remember liking four, but I don't... I can't, like, list specifically what I liked about it. I just remember that... think the other thing, too, that made the show more exciting when it was coming out, as opposed to now, is just the whole superhero fatigue thing. Like...
01:58:39
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Yes. And that show just came out. Marvel, MCU wasn't a thing at all. We had, we had Raimi's Spider-Man, but that was it. Like there wasn't like a, like connected universe. And like Batman Begins had come out. The Dark Knight hadn't.
01:58:52
Speaker
Right. So like in terms of like grounded superhero stuff where it feels like quote unquote real life, you know, this is what it would be like. Yeah. Heroes felt like exciting because it felt like that. But then you go back to rewatch it and it just it it's like it feels it's a lot goofier than it's not. It's not like but but that kind of sounds charming to like some stuff now. Yeah. It takes itself too seriously. Yeah.
01:59:18
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Yeah, but then it's also just like the the way that it like approaches, know, like comic books in general, you know, it's like it feels very, you know, innocent and not like burdened by the decades of of comic book movies that we've now lived through.
01:59:37
Speaker
It kind reminds me the beginning. It's like a 20-year-old show now. Yeah. It reminds me of an Unbreakable where they have text explaining how many comics are sold. Yeah, it's a little bit like that. It feels like it's actually, it almost like kind of like TV Unbreakable, but like not as... not nearly as good as Unbreakable. Breakable's my favorite Shyamalan. I've, yeah. It's one of his best. It's, I, yeah, I don't, I'm bad at favorites. It might be one of mine. might be one or two or something. I'm not sure. Sixth Sense, you know, it's like that and Sixth Sense. Yeah. All right.
02:00:11
Speaker
pretty, I think, incredible. Not recently Bice, but I do love Trap, and I do love Doctor Trap. You know? Yeah, yeah. I think the recent Shyamalan's. Yeah. I think he's been crushing with the recent run, although of, like, those three, like, the Knock at the Cabin, Trap, and ah Old, like, the most recent. Yeah. I really liked, i love I love all three of those, but Old, like, really hit me for some reason. I don't know. There was something about, like, oh, is this the best movie about COVID? About, like, the time lost from COVID? Yeah.
02:00:43
Speaker
Yeah. Nail in the head again. Like, you know, it's it's one of those, ah like, again, my favorite cameo from any of the Shyamalan movies. Behind the camera, that shot? Yeah. I was just, like, hooting and hollering.
02:00:56
Speaker
So that movie opening day, right? Like I'm there by myself in the theater, you know, packed auditorium. I'm cackling like a hyena. Like like he's on screen. Nobody else is knowing why I'm laughing. I'm just like, this is hilarious. You know, yeah like this is what I'm here for.
02:01:14
Speaker
do love the cameos he gives himself nowadays. He's gone full hutchcock, you know? like Yeah. He's totally playing into the trickster element of it. So like I'm a big fan of the vanity. In any shape it comes in. Yeah. I'm excited for the next one.
02:01:30
Speaker
Oh, written by Nathan Sparks or something? Yeah. I've got a ah buddy who you make put the voice changer over me right now. you know, uh, I'm anonymous. You did. you don't know who I am.
02:01:44
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i'm just, and I'm, I'm unspecified guest of the show. Our sources. Yeah. are Yeah. Tell us a buddy of mine got to see a test screening of remain. He said, it's a lot of fun and it's very, uh, it's, it's got a lot of like fun, like Shyamalanian dialogue and, ah twists and turns. And, uh,
02:02:06
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He told me a bit about the story. It does seem fun. ah Like a and neat little like twist on like a romance is what I'll say. Okay, cool.
02:02:19
Speaker
But I'm a little... he said there's like a twist. He didn't tell what the twist was. But like a in top and like in you know in in and like just saying what the movie is about feels like...
02:02:31
Speaker
in the way that, like, saying what the drama is about feels like you're saying what, you know, twist. Where it's like, that's the premise, not the twist, really. Yeah. you know, like, because, like, usually it's like, a first act turn of, like, where it's like, this is what it's about, you know, and, like, that's not a twist. Yeah. I mean, maybe the way it it gets revealed in this, it could be, made maybe it might be, like, a twist, but, like,
02:02:55
Speaker
I just feel like watching it play out. I'm going to, it's got, it's got a, i don't just I don't know how you, do I, do I tell you what I'm trying to say? I'm going to take this part out, but you don't have to tell. Yeah. Don't tell me. You don't want to know? Yeah. I don't want to. Especially a Shyamalan thing. I do like to go in cold. Yeah. Although I knew like trap. I knew like the, the, the, the conceit with trap. I knew he was a serial killer taking his down to pop concert. Sure. And like I like, that's like the premise of the movie though. Cause feel like he doesn't even do twists anymore. Really? Like, no, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. hasn't done that minute. Knock at the cabin.
02:03:33
Speaker
Knock at the cabin is kind like the lack of twists where it's like, no, yeah, they were right. This is the apocalypse. It was like, you're like, think twist is going to be there crazy or something like, no, no, no, that's happening. no what if the worst people were right like the only real twist is like and and trap is like uh oh that's not his mom when he thought it was his mom for one second yeah or i guess that he has real feelings for his daughter is it's a revelation to himself where he's like oh yes i i care
02:04:05
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The reveal of the family is like maybe an extra wrinkle. Because I only was thinking about the daughter of the whole movie and then they go Yeah, he's got a full family life. He's been doing this. Yeah, I guess it's like maybe...
02:04:19
Speaker
It's little twisty. Allison Piltwist. Yeah. Hey, can can can you tell me what's going on here? Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not supposed to tell you this, but promise me to keep it on the lowdown. Okay. So there's this doctor, right? He's been going around this arena. He's been chopping people up.
02:04:35
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They're calling him Dr. Robbie. Yeah.
02:04:39
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I love i love your all your your attempts to get us back on real. You fit it into whatever it is. and And we just refuse we refuse to stay on. We're like, no.
02:04:51
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the bit um so I'm imagining the shot of the guy, the POV shot of the guy telling, you know, but then it cuts the reverse angle. And instead of what's his name, it's it's just that poster image of Dr. Robbie looking really serious. Yeah. that's The half, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
02:05:11
Speaker
I don't want to be so transparent in my, you know, trying to get back on rails. But no, they're funny. We're recording for two hours. And it's also like this the finale of the C-series. Yeah. We talked about the show. feel like we did talk about the show. Maybe this is a good time. Just like final thoughts, maybe. We'll throw it that way. But like I'm deep riffing. Like I'm not trying to like wind us out. You know, it's just, you know what mean.
02:05:34
Speaker
No, no, it's just good to have a reminder because I keep thinking about, like, is there anything we didn't cover? I mean, because really the big centerpiece was the surgery with the pregnant mother and then that... Yeah. Same.
02:05:46
Speaker
yeah ah I guess Dr. J we only lightly referenced in terms of like, it just kind of just teases where she could go. But I do like that scene with Whitaker of where she's just kind of like reading everybody for filth.
02:06:03
Speaker
Although she's rude when she lists everyone's problems and she's just like, and Mel dot, dot, dot you goes to the next. Like, I'm like, what is that supposed to mean?
02:06:13
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dr j It was really funny when Whitaker was like, I hate to hear what do you think of me. And she just like smiles. Her eyes kind of wide. She's like smiles like. Yeah. Like, ah, you little sweetheart.
02:06:28
Speaker
We all know that Dr. J, the TikTok personality, they have like names. You know, you know I like TikTok. People will always be like, and and here I've got a coworker, you know, let's call them, you know,
02:06:40
Speaker
Guy who listens to funk music, okay? like, funky farmer. Let's call him funky farmer. Yeah, funky farmer. That's it. That's it. Yeah. I just like the idea that, like, you know, fucking Whitaker's listening to, like, Bootsy Collins or something. He's like, come on, baby. We're going back to the farm. I mean, he might have a long drive ahead of me. He needs to, like, keep that energy up. Get some funk. Get the funk going.
02:07:08
Speaker
yeah the but And it's like the the whitest car ever. The the most like Grand Cherokee looking car that's not a Grand Cherokee.
02:07:21
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In my head canon, Amy doesn't like funk, but she just cares about Whitaker. She's like, he's done so much help. Like, I can't. Yeah. he's right He's driving me back home after 15-hour shift. I can't really say. Maybe it's like for the baby. Maybe the baby likes that music. There we go.
02:07:37
Speaker
or Or maybe like he's he's like a mansplainer, right? Like, it he's just like, ah he's really into like the history of funk. And yeah every time they're driving back home, he's like, now here here's this funk artist. I like that the the baby being the mansplainer is funnier than the baby. Oh, the baby. Yeah. The baby's like, yeah. The baby's like, um, actually.
02:08:00
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Yeah. So Funk was originated, you know, like, ew.
02:08:06
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Can't be talking like that white baby. Yeah. We talked about the the Al Hashimi fight, but like that final scene is like pretty haunting. Oh, God. Yeah. The imagery of her in the parking. ah like ah The wide shot of the car just stopping.
02:08:25
Speaker
Because I did start, because i i I was, I wasn't, it wasn't kicking in for me of like, yeah, well, what a fucking day she's had. But then thinking about the season while driving, me because they even say that during the the conversation. Yeah. You even be driving. That's was thinking. i was like, I, you know, one that, that after that whole argument and just the whole idea that like it could happen at any moment, could happen while she's driving. And then cut to, she's at the parking lot, like walking to her car. And I'm just like,
02:08:51
Speaker
Oh, God. And so then when the wide shot happened and the car stopped, I was like, no, she didn't just seize. And then, you know, cuts she's crying. I was like, oh, God. Oh, God. You know, like, yeah, feel horrible because it's like you you just know she's like everything is crashing down because she was so like excited. She just had that phone conversation with the the the What it? The doctor on call, the neurologist on call. Right. They were like, you're okay, you're okay.
02:09:20
Speaker
And she goes into that conversation really happy, like with a real big smile on her face. And then Robbie's like, that's not his decision to make. And then bam, crashes down. Shuts it down.
02:09:30
Speaker
Yeah. Even though, like we said, he his concerns are valid. It's just he's not delivering it in the best way because it's like, yeah, yeah I don't think the neuros neurologist on call gets to make that like managerial decision. Probably not. But it's like it feels like. There are workarounds, potential workarounds. Oh, sure. It's just that that it's probably, you know, financially, you know, not ideal and time-wise not ideal.
02:09:58
Speaker
The thing is she hasn't disclosed it. That's like the tension in terms of like yeah he's saying you need to tell someone by like Monday. I think he gives her a deal like by Monday or I will. and And like you don't know. Like, yes, they can figure something. That that was what he did with Langdon.
02:10:16
Speaker
Yeah. You know, he's trying to give her the Langdon treatment. But, like, in the end, was that really the right way for him to treat Langdon, right? Like, that's the question of this season, right? It was, like, yeah it didn't seem like that was the most effective way to go about it. And and and I think that the interesting thing with Alashimi, like, kind of going to what we were saying before, is, like, unfortunately, Robbie was right. You know, like, Like, we like yeah you don't want him to be in that position where he's telling yet another woman, you know, like, that they're yeah wrong and he's right. But, like, that's the way that the show is. and
02:10:47
Speaker
like, it did it did play it out in an interesting way from the performer's standpoint as well, as yeah specifically. ah But, like, what I like about this ending is that it feels tragic. It feels like it's out of her hands in a way that's so, you know, otherworldly that ah makes it feel earned. like And also, like how many upset issues it also it's like, it's interesting because it's, you know, Wiley said this about the show himself, that it's, like, almost like competent competency porn, ah you know, where you're just watching people who just know exactly what to do in, like, crises, medical crises, at least, like, but
02:11:28
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the competency does not extend to like, you know, ah who they are as like people because like they're people and people have issues and they can crop up, you know, unexpected ways. It's just like,
02:11:43
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and then then And then it's about, like, mitigating and navigating ah through that ah while still being, like, an incredibly competent doctor. Yeah.
02:11:53
Speaker
For all their expertise, there's stuff outside of their control. Like, yeah, yeah can't she can't help that these seizures are happening again. I mean, she gets to choose how she can try to ah respond to it Yeah. It's like, ah you know, even the the kind the the pornographically competent doctor,
02:12:14
Speaker
still has has things they can't control. It's just funny because she did play a porn actress on the The Deuce, or she was like maybe, as she was as some kind of sex worker. I'm trying to remember. I didn't even realize, I didn't know that. i was just, you know, in a joke because he said competency porn. and i like I like the Deuce. If you just take out one actor from it, would be easier to recommend that show. Unfortunately, that actor played two characters. James Franco plays twin brothers in Oh, oh i got I got that mixed up. I think there's like a Rob Schneider Deuce or something. Deuce Bigelow. Deuce Bigelow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it.
02:12:57
Speaker
No, this is from the creator of The Wire, his his thing on sex work in the 70s. Oh. Not to be confused with Martin Spursi's, you know, 70s set a TV show Vinyl that also came out at the same time.
02:13:11
Speaker
Right. Yeah, the Deuce at least got three seasons. Vinyl only had one season. Deuce had like a few. They had Bonnie Cannavale. Yeah. See, and she he should have been on the, that sounds like someone who should be on a show called The Deuce. Like, just make him the James Franco and then boom, problem solved.
02:13:31
Speaker
Does not look like someone who could play my dad, but. He played your dad once? Yeah. That's awesome. He was in Frost Dixon. Yeah.
02:13:43
Speaker
Yeah. Frost Nixon. That's another tangent for me because was like the last class, my last, one of my last NYU classes before the pandemic, before everything.
02:13:58
Speaker
i You were teaching Frost Nixon? We were watching Frost Nixon. That's funny. And Ron Howard was sitting in the row behind me, and I didn't realize it until the movie was over.
02:14:10
Speaker
and the lights came up, and the professor of the class, who was friendly with Ron Howard, was like, well, class, who knows a better person to ask about the movie than the director himself?
02:14:21
Speaker
Come here. You know, something like something like that. like kind of like can I don't think he told... but He the lead. If he tell us beforehand, i I wasn't there because I got there late. I got there like maybe a minute or two late.
02:14:34
Speaker
So I remember getting there and the lights were already out and I just sat down in the first open seat I could find. so like Ron Howard heard it when you when you sat down and you leaned next to who you were sitting next to and you were just like, so who's Frost and who's Nixon?
02:14:47
Speaker
Yeah, you're, yeah, you know, like, I was leaning and totally just ripping Frank a new asshole, like, you know, yeah just in the in the class. But you were allowed to.
02:14:59
Speaker
Yeah, and and then, you know, I i even was like that J.D. Vance guy. I've heard little rumblings about him. I don't like him. i said that and he heard me, but he still made that. No, actually, though, i wish.
02:15:10
Speaker
I fucking, that's like the thing i always think, I would always think about like in the last like few years, you know, just like if I had a time machine, all of the things I would, you know, go back in my life to just like, Rod, don't do it. would like, I would, I would just like,
02:15:27
Speaker
I would just go back to that class and just, because he was literally, the only fucking reason he was there was because he was editing Hellbilly Elegy in New York City. oh He told us that.
02:15:39
Speaker
He told us that. We knew that information, but none of us knew who J.D. Vance was. I didn't know. no We shouldn't know who he I was just like, oh, he's going making his like prestige movie with a Amy Addison and Glenn Close where they're in the Appalachian Trail and they're struggling. Cool.
02:15:56
Speaker
Like, I didn't know. now like You know, and then it's like, I'm like, Jack Wade with the bongos felt, you know, in Oppenheimer, right? Like, he had no idea. Right. Like, she like that's you in this scenario.
02:16:09
Speaker
Yeah, just like, you know, if only I had the power to just be in that classroom and just be like, Ron, you might think you're you' about to embark on your Oscar winning movie. and You you are It's going to get nominated.
02:16:23
Speaker
But the guy, the the central character there, the author of your book, you're adapting that guy. Do it. It's not worth it. Not unleash Pandora's box.
02:16:34
Speaker
Yeah, it's not worth it for him. Don't found give the liberals a reason to like him, man. Don't do it. Don't do it. if If I were there, i would stand up and I would just go, Ron, pick up the phone.
02:16:47
Speaker
Clint misss you it misses you, okay? Like, hang out with Clint more often. It was also kind of funny, too, because, like, one of the things I do remember about it is because, like, you know, with Frost Nixon, it's a obviously a political movie, and there are characters portrayed on both sides of the aisle, and there's, like, one character who's more centrist, and there's another one who's, like, more, you know, advocating for, like,
02:17:08
Speaker
you know, progressive ideals. Sam Rockwell and them? Yeah, Sam Rockwell's characters. like You know, you gotta really fucking hit him you know with everything you got. and And I remember Ron Howard was like saying like, you know, the audience thinks that like I'm probably like the Sam Rockwell type, but I'm really more like the other guy.
02:17:30
Speaker
Oh, we all do that. Where he's like, I'm more prone to not being as like and ah for the causes or whatever. And I'm more the, the you know, in the middle kind of guy.
02:17:43
Speaker
And I was just and it's like so thinking back on that, you know, comment saying you're in the middle and yet you do a thing that...
02:17:54
Speaker
plays right into the right wing narratives, you know, America and everything. ah It's, yeah you know, and another example in a long line of examples of why you really, there's no such thing as being in the center.
02:18:14
Speaker
Yo, of course. or Or that there's such thing as apolitical art. Yeah. Because like, yeah I'm sure in his mind, he's not even thinking of that project as at least at the time. He's not being like, oh, this is catering to one story. He's like, it's just an interesting story. of yeah He's like, he wants yeah, he wants it to be an interesting story that people from all sides of the aisle can find things to grasp on.
02:18:37
Speaker
Let's call Space Bay. Ron Howard's kind of dumb, right? Yeah, a little bit. Like Bryce Paul in the shed, right? I'm not saying that to him. He is a great, great narrator on Arrested Development.
02:18:48
Speaker
He's a good filmmaker. He makes some really fun Robert Langdon movies. i i love those movies. like you know Maybe ironically, but like still, they're fun. I love them. In Fortnite 2, I can't wait. Also, I need to see Backdraft. Oh, that movie's ridiculous. I need to see that movie because my dad...
02:19:14
Speaker
m You should watch it, Jake. No, no, no, no, no. Sorry, let me finish my thought here. Because, again, I wish, this is the other thing I wish, i on a selfish angle, I wish I had a time machine, go back to that class because I'm like, my dad was a fucking insurance guy on Backdraft. Those fire sequences, you know, like, you helped figure that shit out. Like, I could have been like, ah, you know.
02:19:37
Speaker
But i I did not, you know, did not think of that. This is at the time but again I need to watch Backdraft because like my dad actually fucking like helped with that movie a little bit and ah you know I just still haven't seen it I've seen clips of the fire sequences and they all look really fucking insane The fire. You know, it's like the kind of thing you're never they're never going to do again. Like, oh, in terms of like, yeah, yeah. Like real pyrotechnics. You know, because it's all real fire, real pyrotechnics and not, you know, fucking what they do nowadays.
02:20:13
Speaker
Digital, you know, the lost bus. And it's like digital fire, you know, cg fire the whole time. They used to have a backdraft like attraction at like Universal Studios. Yeah. you know yeah like That's how impressive it was. So like I totally get what you're saying. And to bring it full circle, ah they also had one for Twister as well, right? Yeah. And Armageddon.
02:20:36
Speaker
Right? Yeah. I think I rode the Armageddon one as a kid. m don't know the song. The Pit. The Pit. They should do one for the Pit.
02:20:47
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Have a little ride experience for the Pit. You just show up as a patient. You're in the tram and you come in and it's like a viewing show. Or you're in the motorcycle. You're in Robbie's motorcycle. You're riding.
02:21:00
Speaker
they re script They re-skin the Harry Potter one. right like Yeah, yeah, yeah. Harry Potter. Yeah. Or they should do it, you know, like how how that Star Wars thing tries to make you like a part of the rebellion of the narrative. Be like, you're just the new doctor. Oh, yeah. So you're like a new doctor. You're like a resident or something like your yeah your residency. and you're You're Langdon. You just came back from, you know, being leave and everybody's suspicious of you. Or you're Robbie. You just came back from being suicidal and everyone is wary you.
02:21:35
Speaker
Yeah. Where did you get this baby from? Yeah. Is what they're asking. Yeah. Have you guys seen that PS2 pit game parody?
02:21:46
Speaker
oh Oh, yeah. That was great. I love that. I would play i was like that. Yeah. I love the this like kind of like rise in like video game parody videos. Mario one was great. the Oh, God. There's like another one that was really good, too.
02:22:02
Speaker
the The guy who did this one did a ah parody of The Pit in the same fashion. Sorry, not The Pit, ah The Bear. Yeah, that's it, that's it, that's it. Yeah. And The Bear one is like an all-timer. Like, I think The Bear one is way better than The Pit one. um But ah The Pit one is like, the fact that there's like a minute long where they just like are talking about Italian discrimination. Hilarious.
02:22:28
Speaker
They get misdiagnosed because they talk with their hands. the the The best part, though, is when you get Mel doing this, you know, like in the chair, she like comes forward.
02:22:39
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she She comes forward and then she goes, my sister's getting her black back blown out, but I'm here at the hospital, a virgin. end
Memorable TV Karaoke Moments
02:22:48
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Yeah, think that's the end.
02:22:52
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It's the fucking guy with the broken bone. it's like fix it yeah it's It's the parody of the baseball sequence, but instead he's an Italian holding a meatball. i just really love that detail. Yeah.
02:23:05
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. Megapit game. They're not like any terms. Like there used to be that Nintendo franchise that was like the medical, like it came called a medical sim because it was like that game was like there are surgeons.
02:23:17
Speaker
Why? Why isn't there like, ah you know, how like operation in the game where you yeah you're pulling out the different that's that surgeon simulator, basically. why Why don't they just do like a pit re-theme of the actual Operation game?
02:23:32
Speaker
yeah You've got like Louis is the guy that you're operating. Oh, no! yeah Too soon! Too soon! He just died today, man. He just died. But but um'm I'm offering us an option to where we can save him.
02:23:48
Speaker
Oh, okay. I'm trying to make things right, you know? There's a better time. youre But this is all the game. You're profiting off his actual death. this your life They really killed that actor. That happened. Yeah. It's like ah they're like, listen, Dr. Gaborgian, he paved the way. When you signed up for this show, you signed up your like ethical suicide, you know, so we got to maintain louisu though the realism. You know, that contract you signed, there's a DNR in there. yeah Sorry.
02:24:21
Speaker
Sorry. I do like that even though. Speaking of Louis, though, I like that even though like it's been noted that that rooftop scene where they're watching the fireworks like that, that was filmed like way early. Like they tried to kind of film it kind of close to summer time. So that was like before the other stuff in the season. But it still works because like when you're looking at Perla's face. Oh, yeah, saw people posting about that. I didn't actually read what... So, like, because, like, the vibe I was getting was that, like, they didn't know what they were watching, but I was like, you know... They knew they were watching fireworks, but they didn't know that it was, like, the context of, like, the day... They're just like, you've had a rough... It's been a rough shift, so they didn't know the specifics. Oh, yeah, because, like, they don't get the full season scripts, like...
02:25:09
Speaker
until you know their midway shoot so yeah I see you're saying yeah they weren't like oh you're you're reacting to Louis died this day but like it works because Perla was told by Louis I'm looking forward to the fireworks and then she's looking at the fireworks and like there's like like like tears in her eyes like it works But like she, like the actor didn't know Louie was dead by that point. No, I'm just saying it's like, it's just like serendipitous that I'm like, oh shit, that's just the magic of production. But like, he's like, oh, he fucking, he crushed that.
02:25:41
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It's why Pearl is one of the best characters on the show. You know, like they gave her like one of the most complete arcs of this season. And, uh, it's a situation where, uh, all of those different actors and characters in that sequence, it's a very nebulous moment.
02:25:57
Speaker
I think it's one of the worst parts of the finale, really, is when they're on that rooftop and they're just kind of vaguely looking. And it's like, yeah, a lot of these people suffered. But it's really only Perla there in that moment where I actually feel as though the weight of the day is weighing on her. in that I feel it with Dana a little bit.
02:26:14
Speaker
I feel like Dana and Perla are the ones that i I like. I mean, I'm just so from when I watched it, like I locked into like their reactions. But I get what you're saying in terms of like, her you know, ah in terms of like McKay is it's pretty nice. it's Like, yes, she did have a rough day. But am I seeing specifically in her face of like, oh, what happened to Roxy? I'm not thinking about my mortality as a mother and all that. Like, no, maybe not. But i don't know. The scene, it still works.
02:26:41
Speaker
when When I see Mikhail on that rooftop, I'm thinking to myself, where you going? What are you doing here? You got a date, you know? like That guy's waiting for you right now. She already said the three B's sounded better of book, bath, and bed. But she should call him at least. Like, don't just ghost that that guy.
02:26:59
Speaker
Yeah, yeah i mean, she was, like, fucking wrecked by the end of that, that you know, doing all the charting. Probably does not have the energy for a date. She should have gone to karaoke with Santos. Yeah.
02:27:12
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Probably have the energy for karaoke. and Imagine if the karaoke sequence was is just like 20 minutes long and it was just like every character on the phone. I'd be happy. i yeah it characters i That becomes like the new like running thing. Like each season ends with a different character doing karaoke at that bar.
02:27:31
Speaker
Whitaker is doing like a pitch perfect Pharrell Williams, ah you know, ah thing. Yeah, some some kind of some something funky. and it And it should be like musical logic where it can break reality. So it's like characters who've died could come up on stage and like sing. and like Yeah, exactly. So Louis comes back for for a big number. but Yeah. It's like his send off.
02:27:55
Speaker
What is louis saying um yeah does It's a wonderful life. i Yeah. I was going to it's wonderful life. Doug, you and I were And I was into myself. What a wonderful world. Yeah, yeah.
02:28:16
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That's what Robbie sings through like tears. and He like barely gets it out. He's like voices cracking the whole time. Yeah. That's Roy Orbison. Yeah.
02:28:26
Speaker
Yeah. yeah or But like it's a wonderful world though. Like Robbie singing that. Oh, it's duet. if Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jared, this is why you have to watch The Leftovers, because I won't say anything specific, but it has the best single best karaoke scene in anything.
02:28:45
Speaker
and okay No hyperbole noted. It is absolutely the best karaoke sequence in any film or show ever. always remember the karaoke scene in Happy End.
02:28:57
Speaker
Where he's like going fucking crazy. um Right? Don't expect that. What? totally Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like in terms of carry, that's like one that sticks out for me. Because it's like, he's just totally like losing it.
02:29:13
Speaker
is yeah happy any film Yeah. Isn't there like a bit where he's like, I've got a story about this. I i got story about this i took ah my girlfriend at the time to see that movie. She had never seen a Michael Haneke film. And I was just like, she she wanted, she was, it was one of those circumstances where she, she was like, I want to watch like one of the movies you like. And I'm just like, And I'm like, well, I was going to go see this movie.
02:29:40
Speaker
I don't really think you should see this movie, but do you want to? And she was like, sure. And I kept on the entire time. just like, I'm not sure if like this will be your bag. I mean, it's like whatever. It is one of his more milder in terms of like the intensity. It's it's more just like teacher.
02:29:58
Speaker
Yeah, Piano Teacher is up there. Funny Games is up there. Hour of the Wolf. No, Time the Wolf. Time of the Wolf. But it's also like a stealth sequel to Amor, right? So like there's like internal like logic with the films. yeah,
Analyzing 'The Pit'
02:30:13
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yeah, yeah.
02:30:14
Speaker
So like yeah it's a very polarizing film in many ways beyond what it's actually talking about. ah so it definitely was not. It was really funny seeing that the Michael Haneke's attempt at a YouTuber.
02:30:27
Speaker
doing a YouTube video in his bedroom. And I liked all of the stuff of like randomly recording the water. ah Yeah. I thought that motif was fantastic.
02:30:37
Speaker
And then the final shot is, is, is a, what a great like shot to end your career on ostensibly because he hasn't made another movie since. Yeah.
02:30:49
Speaker
Who knows? You know, I'll take ex. He was supposed to do like miniseries. Right. I remember he was supposed to be that like like a future, dystopian future miniseries or something.
02:31:01
Speaker
It sounded like very like out of left field for him, but like interesting. Sounds cool. But then it never happened probably probably because of pandemic, I think. Right. Right.
02:31:12
Speaker
And now I think he's probably just retired. He's too crotchety old and all that stuff. I mean, when your last movie is called Happy End, where do you go from there? You already had your happy end.
02:31:23
Speaker
Sad beginning. i don't know. yeah Full circle. Yeah. There we go. Sad afterlife. i dont want to be that I don't want to be that guy, but it is getting a little late. Should we round out the combo?
02:31:37
Speaker
No, yeah, i think i think I think that's fair. I mean, we've we've covered all the main stuff from the episode, but in terms of, like, as a season, ah how your how are you guys... I mean, I think we all enjoyed ah enjoyed this, but, like, it could... I thought it was another really great season. Like, I yeah think it's... I mean, okay, like, I only watched, I saw the first season, you know, once last year, so it's not like I have, like, an amazing, you know, one-to-one memory of each episode or whatever, but, like, it to me, like, this season felt, like, just as good, like, you know, it was advancing the the characters in an interesting ways. it It changed, you know, it proved that you don't need a mass casualty incident so to, you know, get shit going crazy. ah
02:32:26
Speaker
It's like, ah you know, it makes me excited to just see more seasons of the show, like all the different days they can do it on, like all the different things they could have the characters go through. Like it just, it's at the, it's still, you know, it's like, ah it's still, even though it's the second season, not the first season, it's like, you know, it's like exciting.
02:32:46
Speaker
still like it feels like there are places the show can still go that it hasn't gone yet uh and uh i just i love the format i love the ah the fact that it's like seemingly gonna be like a year show like a show a year like a yeah like proper tv awesome yeah the i mean so far the writing has still remained really strong um It very much still balances the you know the thing between being a true-to-life medical show as well as the little PSA for various you know issues, medical, political, what whatnot, social.
02:33:27
Speaker
i um you know It's like ah the thing that's going to introduce furries to general America.
02:33:38
Speaker
Someone had to do it. Yeah, hey you know, they but they've been around long enough. You know, it has to happen, I guess. But, ah you know, it's like, a it's just like nice to see like a ah show hit really well that's just like a really fucking well made.
02:33:57
Speaker
You know, it's not like cheap or goofy in like an instant kind of way or, you know, like, like hokey or whatever. There's, you know, it's a little bit of, you know, whatever, but it always works because it's earned with it because, you know, it's it's everything is so well developed.
02:34:17
Speaker
Tony, your rebuttal, you hated it. It's not, it's not, oh you know, it's i just sometimes just it's not as left-leaning as maybe, a you know. The communist revolution was not inspired by it. And for that for that alone, ah Noel Wiley will be strung by his ankles. Yeah, it's it's done. Game over, Bozo. Cuban Pit. my well I'll watch it. Boycott the pit. It's not leftist.
02:34:45
Speaker
Boycott it. Sorry, I just wanted to burrow in with what Doug just said, Cuban Pit. The idea of the powers going out as they're trying to operate. Oh my god, yeah. That sounds really good. Yeah, it's like, we're not...
02:34:59
Speaker
yeah If I were going to say my general thoughts on the season, like, here's the deal, right? Like, I think that ah the issues that people are having with it are growing pains based on foundational issues.
02:35:14
Speaker
um I think that, like, it's a show that, like, we've we've used the term competency porn, right? Yeah. And now what we're finding is we're reaching these points where they're talking about modern political issues and it's not reaching the moment.
02:35:29
Speaker
Like it's not competent enough. Right. And there are certain moments that you can point to in each of these in the season where it just doesn't reach those moments in ways that the mo like our current moment would want.
02:35:42
Speaker
And I'm not saying that to like, you know, make the show sound worse or anything, but it's like if your idea of the show is that everybody is operating at their most competent level, right? That everybody is, you know, and obviously, you know, people are going to have their bad days and everybody has their character flaws. I'm not talking about, you know, Santos doing the right thing every time, right? That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is like the show's moral compass, right? Is like what it's able to do as an effective, you know, truth teller for the moment. And when it comes to that perspective, I think that season two is a step down because it is more focused on an individual rather than the collective of the hospital. Not to talk about my own politics versus, you know, anything else. But i think that if we're talking about, you know, the idea of competency and the idea of competency either working or not working. I would have liked to have seen Robbie's actions affecting the hospital more directly. I wish it was more of an overt theme.
02:36:39
Speaker
I wish that Robbie's behavior was challenged more often rather than, you know, just letting it be. A lot of what... um I have issues with are predicated on how they deal with them later. And that's not a good place you want to be in for a TV show.
02:36:56
Speaker
I think that like, this was the same problem that the bear found itself in. And like, I would hope that with whatever, route they go down um i think that they need to find a way to like exit out of the original intention of making this the robbie show and find a way to make this more of an ensemble because that's what more people want from this it should be more like yeah er r i think that the idea of making this the robbie show um is actually going to be a detriment as the show continues
02:37:28
Speaker
I could see that becoming an issue down the line in terms of like, especially if this goes on as long as ZR they need to like go 15 seasons of, of, of just Robbie crashing out. But so far it's working for me, like in terms of all the things you mentioned, yeah, we might get those down ah the line of like different iteration, whether it's like expanding the scope of who we focus on, but then are seeing Robbie's, uh, you know, state affects the actual hospital more. does That does kind of feel like stuff they're saving, which to me just feels like that. that It's like TV. You're not going to in season season one.
02:38:08
Speaker
i feel like it's almost like an outlier in terms of like it is like a self-contained. It's like you can just watch it. It doesn't form what we're getting here. But as a beginning to end story, you do get like the full thing in season one. And I feel like for people,
02:38:22
Speaker
For people who maybe don't normally watch TV, they go into season two and are expecting like everything's going to be leading to like a clear resolution here. Let's wrap all this up. And then when it didn't happen, and then there's like loose ends like, well, what's going to happen with this and that? It's like, well, wait till next season. That's yeah is how TV the the works, you know? So like, I, I, I feel like, yeah, I'm in, uh, I, this, this season did feel like, especially watching it back to back with the starting yeah ER. I'm like, yeah, this definitely feels more like TV, TV, TV. And like, like season one of the pit is like, like kind of like doing the, the model prestige team of like, Oh, this is kind of just like a movie, but we stretched it out.
02:39:06
Speaker
Uh, I think, and honestly, like, I like the TV approach because it's a TV show. So, you know, like, that's why watching this medium. I want the medium to lean into, like, the thing it does. But I do agree with what you're saying, Tony, in terms of, like, ah ah you have such a strong ensemble. So, like, we can we can utilize that and in going forward in other seasons. i I wouldn't be surprised if they do, you know, like, not that they need to be, like, listening to every single thing that people say online, but in terms of, like, just seeing the reaction to...
02:39:37
Speaker
ah people want more out of some of these characters and to be like okay yeah it you still have Robbie's you know whatever like his his downfall or whatever direction he's going it could could be like the centerpiece of the thing but you know we can still fill out everything else around it i think I think both are possible Yeah, I mean, I feel like the show could very well kind of like meet your criticisms in season three, like where it does expand. there's more of the other other people there. And then like also to just showing the, you know, the effects of like Robbie not being there and how that played out for them as well as his return and how that affects everybody. Because like that's probably going to have a major effect on everyone when that happens. And, you know, if if that doesn't happen, then like then like I think that does kind of lend to your criticism that, you know, things should feel more consequential.
02:40:38
Speaker
Yeah. For it's season six and nothing's changed. And I'd be like, yeah, I probably should like shake this up a little bit. Yeah. we're We're at the point now, right, where it's like the next season, if the next season doesn't hit, you know, then it's going to become a situation where it's like everything is reliant on itself rather than, you know, a full, complete narrative, right? And, like, it's not like, you know...
02:41:03
Speaker
I'm not saying the former was is an issue. you know There are many TV shows that do exactly that and it's not an issue. The problem is is that I expected The Pit to be a bit better. you know So it's like if it does go down that route, then it becomes like other TV shows.
02:41:21
Speaker
And that's not what I got from the first season. Right. Yeah. So like, that's where I'm coming from with this. Yeah. You know, where it's like, I still think the show is great. You know, there is nothing, there's no part of me that's going like, you know, this is not the best television show on, uh, on TV right now.
02:41:38
Speaker
I still think that's the case. Um, however, I do think that there is a route in which this can get messy really quickly And, um like, you know, all the stuff with this season, you know, that was largely because people have a lot of passionate feelings about these people.
02:41:55
Speaker
Right. And I feel as though if in the next season, these people aren't more carefully considered, not even just from a fandom perspective, but just from an in general, I can see people just, you know, checking out because like the first season was a promise. The second season was like, follow me while I go on this thing.
02:42:17
Speaker
The third season needs to deliver on that promise a bit more. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, i I think by its nature, there is a repetitiveness to TV of like it has to recycle similar conflicts. But i did it it can do – it can still move forward and and and evolve because if it is – if Nick, like, like, if the next couple subsequent seasons were just, like, yeah, Robbie's, like, really in a dark place right now again, and, like, that's probably still going to be case, but, like, if that's, like, the only thing we're doing, then it'd be, like, okay, well, we've seen this, so, you know, like, I think that there's room for it to do that, and think that we're probably headed towards that in some way. I think they know that they can't just do the same thing. Yeah, I like,
02:43:06
Speaker
you know I have faith in the creators know iley and all them like to navigate through this and in an interesting way. I'll admit, didn't...
02:43:20
Speaker
but i also i'll admit like i didn't i was i i like your criticisms make sense to me. Like, I don't disagree, but like while I was watching it, I didn't have that. Like, right I was like, i want to see where this goes. But now, like in hindsight, I'm like, yeah, you they could have spent more time on like the supporting cast. Those episodes were shorter than an hour. And so you...
02:43:44
Speaker
Maybe they could have figured out ways to extend the moments with the other characters or find, you know, other other things to do. But they were just very because i I guess because also like I was interpreting the the shorter episodes being a result of the fact that everything was so frantic that like the edit of the show is just getting cut down because there was just less airtime between, you know, moments a moment.
02:44:08
Speaker
ah But also like, you know, They could have maybe just written a little more to to fill it out or something, you know? I want to clarify just a bit, right? Like, I'm not necessarily saying that, like, I'm looking for more from the other players.
02:44:23
Speaker
I'm saying that we need to remove the focus from Robbie. I think that Robbie is being, Robbie is being censored too much. And I don't think that the audience and the show, like those are two hand in hand. I don't think that that's what it is. I don't think that that actually was the thing that people bought into.
02:44:42
Speaker
i think that he is the poster though. He is Right. And like in the first season, a lot of it was like how great Robbie is. Right. But I think that like the reality is, is that most people watch the show for the ensemble, for how all of these individual people, ah you know, interface with these things. And that's where we're seeing a lot of these conflicts arise. Right. Was that people are kind of seeing it that way when it's not that way. And and and my my answer to that isn't necessarily to fit what the audience demands are. on I'm thinking about this more so of how do you make this a better show? And I feel as though, like, centering it on Robbie, you know, it it will work in terms of, like, Noah Wiley's a great actor. He will carry those sequences. I will not have any doubts on how those scenes play. But, like, when it comes to this tapestry of ah the the pit,
02:45:36
Speaker
um I would rather see that tapestry be more defined, definitively ah colored in rather than just having one. Everything is like a one response to that, that you want everything to kind of like exist on their own as opposed to being in response to you. Exactly. Yeah.
02:45:53
Speaker
Yeah. Again, I was just like, I was watching this season like really glued into like what was going on with Robbie. I was like, ah. None of what I've said is to make this show sound bad. None of it. Right. Yeah, no, it's likes off the sort of thing where like you're like, ah you know, you're youre you're giving notes to something you already love.
02:46:17
Speaker
Exactly. yeah Yeah. You just want it to be the best version of itself. Yeah. And I can see a version of it where you can get way worse, but where it is now is still really good. and Yeah. Even, you know. Yeah. But ah at the same time, I'm just like, you know, I'm nervous about where it could go if it doesn't. Yeah. I guess also the issues.
02:46:37
Speaker
Maybe the other thing, too, with, like, season one is that, like, it needed to establish all those characters. Yeah. So that's probably why it felt maybe a bit more, bit less, like, Robbie-centered.
02:46:47
Speaker
And now that, like, they're we're in season two, we know these guys, I guess maybe they were like, well, let's have Robbie. You know, this is Robbie's season. How can we use them inform Robbie? Focus on someone else, you know? Yeah.
02:47:01
Speaker
It's not like it's I have no issue with the show being about Robbie. It's that like Robbie is not that interesting, you know, like it's it's that they could do more with Robbie. They could make all of this, you know, a bit more biting, you know, but it's like things are a little too sanitized. Not to say that the show is like these are nitpicks. Yeah, like what do what what what would you want? Like like what but specifically, like what would you... I want Robbie to be meaner, right? If we're going to be like, you know, exploring this idea of Robbie's misogyny or Robbie's, you know, male practice, I'd rather it be more pronounced in the sense of like, I want to see him be even worse than these people. I want to be even more unprofessional. I want to go further, you know? And I and i do want... um
02:47:55
Speaker
this hospital will be filled out a bit more because if we're going to have this idea of what the hospital is going to be like without him, i do want to have a better idea of what these people are like without him. What if half of the shift he's not even there next season? Like we just start. be awesome.
02:48:10
Speaker
Yeah. love it. Yeah, like he has a late, he shows up late. That'd be interesting. And they don't announce when he's coming. So people are watching the premiere and the next couple, they're like, Robbie's still isn't showing up. Is he yeah in the show? This is the Robbie show. like Episode eight, you know? Although I think, again, what I had read about their plans for this season, I'm not sure it's going to pan out that way because I think,
02:48:33
Speaker
it is going to be like his first day back, but I think he's probably going to show at the normal hour. Yeah, would i probably. but i I was gonna be totally wrong. I was just, hypo I think it'll be interesting though. Cause it's like the, what I read is that he's, he goes on a four month sabbatical instead of a three month. Right.
02:48:51
Speaker
Sabbatical. So like, I mean, who knows? Maybe it isn't on an an, like he does just show up and it's like 10 AM or something. Not, not seven. Uh, you know Oh, like he starts the day we can arrive with him, but he's starting the day later or something. go yes We go later into the night. Yeah, we go real late. Yeah, that'd be interesting.
02:49:13
Speaker
Up all night with the night shift. The night crawlers. Yeah. Got a lot of crawlers tonight, guys. They're the wildest and weirdest.
02:49:25
Speaker
ah Yeah, I mean. That was fun. Pit season two was great. Yeah. Watch it. Season 1, 9 out of 10. Season 2, 8.5. eight point five i'm I'm right with you.
02:49:38
Speaker
I'm right with you right there. Yep. That sounds right. and I round up anyway, so they're both nice. Yeah. That's how I do on Letterboxd where like, well, if I like the thing too, then I'm like, ah, whatever. 3.3 to half. It's a four. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with being kind.
02:50:01
Speaker
if so If I see something like underrated, I'm like, these ratings are too low. um um All my friends are rating this twos and so I'll give it a four.
02:50:12
Speaker
Yeah. ah So, I think that we can round round out so that. And ah do you have any plugs, Sherrod? Yeah. um I just thought of some another one, or during the week, and I lost it. But... ah um I don't know. I i got my Twitter. I still have that.
02:50:36
Speaker
I got... um ah You cast me. you know like if you're if you're ah if you're a director, if you're listening to this, cast me. If you're an agent listening to this...
02:50:49
Speaker
I'm interested in being your client. Uh, if, uh, uh, there was like one other thing I was like, Ooh, I can say that. And I, I, I'd forgotten what it was. So,
02:51:02
Speaker
Well, Jared, now that you've let us know that you've got employment open, you know, like ah yeah Doug and I, you know, we've got a script we want to pitch you, you know. Just stick by. All right. I'll read it. Yeah.
02:51:14
Speaker
Yeah. i good and I got a couple. i got a couple of projects lined up. I got the short film in the future. wasn't trying to. May. I'm just, rare you know, no, I'm just I'm saying like just for the the prospective agents and directors out there that are listening to this right now. I'm just saying that like next month I'm going to be a little busy, ah but then I'll be more free in the summer.
02:51:38
Speaker
So, so that's, that's stuff we talk about manifest. So I could see this panning out for you because like we talked about Kane and Lynch too. And then people are posting Kane Lynch to stuff, you know, like me and Tony did Bullworth and people are posting about Bullworth. There's something, something is out there. and in the lot Yeah. Yeah.
02:51:59
Speaker
don't know, Doug. yeah I guess you could say that we have a capacity to influence people. Perhaps we are influencers. ah in the Micro. Micro. Exactly. Exactly. Let's not get full on our supply.
02:52:14
Speaker
Big things have small beginnings. Yeah. I blow out a match. Let's do some Lawrence of Arabia. Tony, you got any plugs? I'm on the show. ah Fucking these guys got juice. That's my... way yeah but Oh, I think I thought... i think I remember what I was going to... Sorry. If you want to cut in, cut in. Go for it. Yeah, sorry. Okay. I'm in an animated web series. ah It's on Instagram. I think there's only one episode out, and I'm not in that episode, but...
02:52:47
Speaker
I'm in future episodes. since It's called The Ballad of Vampire Ranch. Hell yeah. he The account is on Instagram. i Julia Antonelli is another voice s in it. She was the young Parker Posey in Bo's Afraid.
02:53:02
Speaker
Oh, right, right. As well as former Olympic gymnast slash Dancing with the Stars winner slash Broadway actor Laurie Hernandez is another the other lead voice in it. Cool. ah It was really funny because i did a VO session with like the full main cast. We all did a little VO session in like January.
02:53:25
Speaker
And i did not realize that Laurie was a former Olympian dancing with the stars winner Broadway person. Star. eat Broadway star.
02:53:39
Speaker
I didn't realize that. i just, i yeah I don't know why I didn't think to look people up beforehand, but I just didn't. was just like, you know, casual, like whatever, didn't say anything whatsoever bad anything.
02:53:54
Speaker
And then I realized or found out afterwards. ah That's a two-way street humbling. That's a two-way street humbling, right? Like you you you humble them, right, in you not knowing who they are. And then also you are humbled yourself in how you continue to learn about them. And it amazes you.
02:54:14
Speaker
man But it was really funny, though, because I was telling my godparents about about her And at that point, I didn't even know her last. I couldn't I'd forgotten her last name. I just remembered her first name.
02:54:27
Speaker
And I was describing her to my godfather. i was like, OK, so I'm working with this this voice actor. But she is she used to be an Olympic gymnast and she was a Dancing with the Stars winner. And she's on Broadway now. Her name is Laurie. And my godfather was like, oh, you mean Laurie Hernandez?
02:54:42
Speaker
And I was like, sure. Yeah, that one. So, know, she's got a million followers on Instagram. Just like... For them.
02:54:53
Speaker
Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. Fucking, you know, would be great if, like, those billions of people or that that million... You know, people, follower group, but also watch the Ballad of Vampire Ranch, which I'm pretty sure she's also reposting to to the followers and stuff. To her 1.4 million followers. So, yeah, i' I'm going to watch it. It sounds it said the description says like a cute little tequila, like Western vampire thing. There's a couple vampires, wreak havoc on a little western town, but because it's the old west, they don't have any point of reference for vampires, so they think it's werewolves but at first.
02:55:36
Speaker
Nice. And I think I show up in like the third or the fourth episode, so that's a little couple more before i show up. But then I'm in like the rest of them, I think. So, you know, fun little animated thing that doing.
02:55:49
Speaker
That's like happening. you can go physically watch. It's not like a short film that I did that I have no idea when it's coming out or anything that. The page is up for the show. I could see it. Yeah. yeah it exist It exists. It does exist. And one episode is out, I think. Just one.
02:56:05
Speaker
Check it out. Yeah, watch it. I'm not in it, but watch it. Get yourself ready. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You want to have context. You don't want to just waltz into episode three. You're like, I don't know what's happening.
02:56:18
Speaker
Yeah. Rookie mistake. Big, yeah, big rookie mistake. You'll be incredibly confused, but thankfully each episode is about like two minutes long, so there's not a whole lot you got to catch up on.
02:56:32
Speaker
Yeah. Easy stay caught up with that. Yeah. But, ah but yeah, that was the thing I was trying to think of. Did you have anything else, Tony? Anything else, I guess, to plug? um ah Well, ah you know, I'll be recording a another episode of Two Cent Critic. I just did an ah their podcast anniversary. So ah get ready for a massive like multi guest episode on that show ah where I'll be taking part in that one. That was a lot of fun.
02:57:04
Speaker
um And ah ill also, I think in this next couple weeks, we should see ah Seeing Faces in Movies, that episode dropping, if you want to hear me talk about Fritz Lang on that feed. But yeah, no the main thing you find me over is here. And also you can find Doug and I over on Unsourced Wall Radio, where we're talking about all of the Children of the Corn movies every Sunday, whether we watch it or not.
02:57:32
Speaker
It's a ride. easy Where are you up to now? Six six is Sunday. Yeah. oh We're halfway. In terms of the the quality of the movies. ah so So three was the best.
02:57:47
Speaker
Three was the best. And like four was interesting, but flawed. Five was terrible. And two was racist. And one kind of sucked is the way I'll phrase the entire. And six. I haven't watched it yet, but I'm excited. You haven't watched six yet. Okay. yeah It's bringing back a character. There's been no continuity between these movies. So the fact that six is like the villain from the first one, he's back. that ah ah That's funny. That's, that's, that's great.
02:58:17
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It's literally called Isaac's Return. And ah the actor who played Isaac, ah the the actor who played Isaac co-wrote the script. So like it's it's it's not only a Children of the Corn movie, but it also seems to be a passion project. So we're very excited to see what happens there.
02:58:36
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i hope he's the main, like we don't have like, you know, they always need like an adult character or someone to like, no who's not a part of the cult. Like, yeah, no, i say it should just be all Isaac. all Isaac all the time. i awake I open my eyes, Isaac's there. You know, I close my eyes, Isaac's there.
02:58:51
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I think we're going to we're goingnna hit the thing. we're We've been rolling for a hundred minutes. Yeah. We should end it. Yeah, we should end it. ah Yeah. These guys got juice. you Stay tuned. We got lots more cool stuff coming.
02:59:05
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Goodbye. We're now with the juice. The pan. Well, I won't fit in the pan. You were beneath the bare.
02:59:18
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We all failed to let me.