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The Pitt Season 2 Episode 10 with Jared Gilman
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Listen to part 2 of actor Jared Gilman's (@realJaredGilman) sit down with The Guys as they dive into THE PITT! Were King/Landon (aka Kingdon) shippers right all along? What exactly happened during that deposition? Is the Good Robbie trapped in The Lodge? You can learn the exciting answer to these questions and many more by tuning in RIGHT NOW!
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Introduction and Relationship Talk
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You know, he also told me it can happen having Uh, yeah, it can. I... it's not like you're having sex.
00:00:13
Speaker
What's happening? What? I'm having sex.
00:00:18
Speaker
Who's who? My boyfriend. You have a boyfriend? Yes. His name is Adam, and we're having sex. Lots of sex.
Show Context and Humor
00:00:43
Speaker
These guys got juice hosted by Doug and Jared, who's joined by Tony. Here it is. The Pit. yeah Yeah, the Pit. The Pit. Well, Pit Fest happened in like episode 12.
00:00:58
Speaker
It was like late. It was closer to it was closer to the end. Yeah, but but things were already ramping up in terms of like, oh, Langdon got is getting outed. Like, uh-oh. For a victimless crime. His crime was being really cool. o Did you ever think about the fact that it made him really good at his job?
00:01:17
Speaker
you have this house There's no proof that being high didn't make to help him save lives. There could have been way more fatalities at Pitfall. Like, the day's not over is all I'm saying. Like, it was sober, Langdon, you know, if we ah get any bad results, you know, then we know where the talents came from. That's all i'm saying. yeah I mean, as we all know, House is a documentary, and he is such a good doctor, always on, what was it, on fucking painkillers. It was, pain I think, painkillers. I forgot to get the rocket ship.
00:01:52
Speaker
Popping them like candies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hell yeah. Great show, by the way. Yeah, that' was a that's a fun show. And when i have my my cousins are doctors, and I recently got to see them ah having now just watched The Pit, and then enough of House to know it, you know.
00:02:12
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i haven't watched the whole shit, but I watched, like, the first four or five seasons. Mm-hmm. I asked my my cousin, ah my cousin and her husband, both doctors, asked them, all right, on a scale from house to the pit, what ah what what's your your job like?
00:02:28
Speaker
And my cousin's husband was like, the cousin... My job is more like house. Your cousin's job is more like the pit. And I was like, whoa. There's difference. And was like, Jesus. Yeah. Because it's like, well, house is like one case a week or two cases a week. He's like solving a mystery. It's almost like. Yeah, yeah. He's like a lumbo, but for disease. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas the pit is like, you know, madhouse. Just like a million things happening at once. This is the craziest 4th of July ever.
Legal and Ethical Debates in 'The Pit'
00:02:58
Speaker
There's a water slide collapse, King's deposition, and people have been like, would a deposition be scheduled on the 4th? It could. It could happen. It could happen. Yeah. Stranger things have happened. But also, I feel like the deposition has been this thing that's been looming over our heads this entire season. Yeah. Did anybody hear, do we feel let down by the deposition? kind of wanted to see it just because I love courtroom stuff. I knew by like the conventions of the show of like, yeah, we normally only go as far as the parking. We've never even followed someone upstairs to like surgery. So like was like, once she gets in those elevators, we probably aren't following her. But I was like kind of crossing my fingers. like, can we just get like one cutaway where she's like crying on the stand or something or something? Yeah.
00:03:49
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and Yeah. And on that note, right, like we get no time to breathe, which is also appropriate for what like the reveal we'll get into later. ah But the this ah whole situation of her, you know, she's been like worried about this this whole season. It's been building up to this. And and we get zero talk of it the moment that it's done. And also like i like we'll get more of it later, I'm sure. But I like i mean, like. there's i mean i got I feel like it was like, you know, she immediately the other woman was like, I've never seen anybody go as hard on anyone during a deposition. That was an insane deposition. There was enough said about it that I can like fill in. I get an idea of like a'm pitch a very strong idea. of her Yeah, like I can tell it was like really fucking intense. and they Whatever it was, we're just like going really hard. Because again, it was like over the death of a kid,
00:04:39
Speaker
Right. Not not the kid. So it was the spinal tap. It was the spinal tap from the last season. So brain damage and I think paralysis that had happened after the fact. And this was made this was made complicated because these were the parents who were also like anti-medication. Right. right so So that's why they were going into the deposition being like, there's no way they have anything on you because it's like the parents had, you know, the ability to to to give the kid proper medication and they didn't.
00:05:08
Speaker
So the fact that this deposition went really bad. Yeah. Yeah. it And and the the one thing I've been worried about is like this whole like, um I don't want Mel King to become like the the thing that anti-vaxxers use and they're like, you know, ah proof. You know, like I don't want them to use in this medicaid this this court case in that sense. And then also there's the element where it's like,
00:05:31
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this case goes so bad that she's like worried about the kid and feels personal responsibility. There's a part of her who is like all almost like feeding in to this, uh, you know, negative feedback loop of these, uh, you know, people who have deluded themselves in the thing that medication can cause harm in this way. don't know. just throwing all these things out there because she doesn't. Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:51
Speaker
There's only one doctor who said that they had not had these kinds of de depositions, and that's Dr. Alashimi, who we got to call out right now, by the way. so like Oh, God, the fucking trick?
00:06:02
Speaker
That was insane. She pulls a fucking Jack Abbott. She pulls ah a Mohan, right? like Yeah. She is going hard in this episode. and and Yeah. and And Doug and I, we we we talked about it on previous episode where she kind of been off in the background a bit.
00:06:17
Speaker
She kind of just floats through the rooms, yeah. And then there's also though the the sort of the the mystery of of her like health issue. Some kind of neurological thing. Yeah, some something going on with her.
00:06:29
Speaker
in this scene. No, yeah, she was on the ball in that scene. and That was like, oh my God. Or the tumor or whatever she has makes her a better surge. You got Langdon's Benzo's addiction in the first season
Character Development and Critiques
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makes him a better doctor. You got Alashimi's brain problems making her a better doctor. Yeah. just makes sense. It just makes sense. What's season three going to be? It's going to be, oh, he's going you know what? Season three is going to be.
00:06:57
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Javadi's social media following. Robbie, Robbie, Robbie having had a near-death experience from trying to kill himself on a motorcycle trip. He's now a better doctor. more aware of patients, ah how close to death they are, really. yeah He's like Russ Cole at the end True Detective, like, I saw the upside. yeah you Or like Nathan Fillion in White Noise 2.
00:07:24
Speaker
Right, yes. I saw White Noise 2. I saw White Noise 2. It was actually a lot of fun. It's it's a silly B-movie. It's a really silly B-movie horror sequel.
00:07:35
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Not like White Noise 1, which is just really boring. Yeah. Michael Keaton is acting his ass off. Underacting his ass off. that He apologized for that performance. He did? That's funny. yeah He like you was like, yeah, I'm sorry. I found that one in, I think.
00:07:53
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And it's it it was interesting because it's like his character's wife dies and he barely, it's like he doesn't even have like a full-on crying scene. Yeah. over the death of his wife, which I was like... Like, an actor, that's like what you want in a, like, grieving... Yeah. You're like, oh, that's meaty. Like, oh, I'm gonna... He played, it like, the grieving husband, but played it completely blank.
00:08:16
Speaker
Like, emotionless. Like... Sometimes grief numbs us, you know? what's actually Yeah, that's fair. that's fair Realistic take. There was, like, one shot, one crying scene, one bit, and it's all in a Y where he's facing away from...
00:08:30
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the the camera. So there is that. I do remember that much of the about the movie. ah was one of those like all like I just remember being really like keyed in because I had read that thing I think on IMDb like he he had apologized for his performance and I was like I've never seen a movie where the actors the lead actors apologized. Like what does a performance like that look like? And I was like okay I can see what they were doing to cut around what he was doing probably. He should have been in the good white noise the Noah Baumbach one.
00:09:01
Speaker
That's true. Yeah, that one's fun. That one's fun. I like that movie. No White Noise 2, though. Unfortunate. No Nathan Fillion, either. No Nathan Fillion. He should do a sequel. countless, like, ghost jump scares, either.
00:09:15
Speaker
Bombeck done sequels? He should do a sequel. Yeah, he should. do The squid and the whale. What happened there after that happened? ah But, yeah the the like, there's this thing...
00:09:26
Speaker
Yeah, I just lost my point. It's all good. Francis Ha too. Sorry. which is Yeah. bobbi While we're young too. While we're still young. Yeah. Green but i I'm team Noah Baumbach. I think Jay Kelly was just all right. Yeah, it was fine. I still haven't gone around to Jay Kelly.
00:09:55
Speaker
It's good. It's good. I wish it wasn't a Netflix movie. You're right. I mean, I wish White Noise wasn't a Netflix movie. Yeah. but But that movie has some bold swings. Like White Noise, like there as many people have been like, oh, you know, it's a bad adaptation. I'm like, I don't care. It's a good movie. You know, like I think that's got some good. Yeah, it's a pretty it's pretty fun. It's it's pretty goofy and weird, but but but in a fun way. you know, I liked it I enjoyed it.
00:10:21
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The pit. The pit. That's the pit. Can we talk about Wokulvi? but Okay, so... Yeah.
Intense Storylines and Ethical Stakes
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ah does this Does this change where we how we feel about Tall Whitaker? No. Yeah. Just because he has... I mean, it's like, you know, he's...
00:10:38
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Yeah, it's like maybe his heart's in the right place sometimes, but he's got ah like a a rudeness issue, like a bedside manner issue. yeah he He's got like no bedside manner.
00:10:53
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To me, my it's like that scene in Robocop, right? When he saves that woman like that. That's almost what you have been a victim some of a rape. Yeah. yeah ah Yeah.
00:11:05
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So, but I don't know. Just him having one woke book, I haven't turned around on. And how do we know he didn't buy the book to make fun of it? Maybe he's... Well, he's also, but he is and he's also like fluent in some other languages though, right? He's got some other more like little talents. Yeah.
00:11:20
Speaker
He's like, I feel like they're kind of gearing him up to be like that character who like you hate and then you kind of learn to realize he's a little deeper than you realize or he's a little more thoughtful than you realize or whatever. But I don't want it. I want to hate him forever. I, you know, it's, it's, it's also just, I love that they're all imperfect in their own way. You know, they're all kind of have their moments where they kind of suck.
00:11:42
Speaker
Well, especially this episode, because this is like the season where we get to see like Robbie's like, like crash out in season one was like kind of self contained. Like he intentionally contains himself. Like he even pushes his like not step son out of the room so he can like melt down away from everyone. But like this is like it's like it's just kind of like leaking out of him. Like all this little stuff.
00:12:09
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ah For sure. Oh, yeah, no. it it Yeah, no, it it very much is like ah we're watching a downward downward spiral, but we're not nearly the bottom yet. but but it's freak yeah Really, is the question I have is, like, are they actually going to let him go on the trip or are they going to put him on a psychiatric hold?
00:12:29
Speaker
Yeah. i like it. And the question is right because like ah like I'm seeing the connecting dots happening right here. And in case you know Jared I'm a big Langdon fan. ah But like yeah with with when it like I kind of see like a total Langdon vindication arc coming where he like saves Robbie's life kind of thing. Oh.
00:12:49
Speaker
Almost, you know, like like i see all the strings coming where it's like almost like he's going to become like the arc. Like i almost see like Alishimi is like, yeah, you're going to be the new Robbie when he leaves almost. And like that, like that was the same to me for this episode where it's like she's already like thinking about how the hospital going to be gone once working when he's gone. And Langdon is going to be the number one. And even if Robbie was still there, like Langdon would still probably be number one. yeah without his approval, like he still would be getting a lot of shit done.
00:13:21
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So it's like, I feel like a lot of stars are aligning, especially within this episode where it's like Legnan might actually be proving his worth and like, and not like a, you know, fan service way. This he's coming into his own as a doctor.
00:13:33
Speaker
hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was he was playing Santos. and well Well, because she yeah she's... Yeah, she's cracking. She's cracking. both whole season, she's been cracking. Like, both things could be true that she's justified in, like, having mixed feelings. Because, like, from ah In the real world, if a doctor was doing what Langdon did and her saying he should have been fired, that's probably true. But the fact is, he wasn't. He's back. So you have to, like, the reality... You can't, like... And wasn't he also kind of... dressing her down a bit and there's some like bad interactions between the two of them when like she ratted him out and I was also like I only watched the first season once my memory of it is mixed that's why I'm asking yeah but but the clips have also been all over Twitter right like people have been reposting everything yeah oh like like look what happened right so like there's definitely been that tête-à-tête but I think that the more important thing actually is that Santos gets a lot of her energy from Robbie directly
00:14:32
Speaker
Right. Like out of all the other people in the hospital, she is the person who closely mimics his behaviors. And what we're seeing now is that like she has an off ramp.
00:14:43
Speaker
Right. Like she has a ah way through Garcia and how other people are perceiving these situations where they're going like, are you going you know, let this. hang over you this entire time are you just going to like kind of like move on from this and i think that that's a really interesting position to put her in because like her pain through that first season was being underestimated and not and being told that she was crazy for not seeing that for seeing that and bringing that to the front right and now it's been 10 months and like everybody probably knows what happened to Langdon right everybody knows that it was because Santos did that Do you think that people are still upset because, like, they're like, you got rid of one of our best doctors? Yeah, is she that's my question. Is she really a pariah when she says to us ah Garcia of, like, i I've become a pariah even though I did the right thing. But, like, is that self-imposed, like, in terms of, like, you're assuming everyone hates you because it's you ratted out yeah Langdon or –
00:15:40
Speaker
Because we can't we've seen two days. and We've seen the day from the first season in this day. i don't know what has been happening in between in terms of like how she's perceived in the hospital. Like we know Robbie likes her, but like she always has just been kind of standoffish. And I think that's just any kind of interaction like that, that standoffish. She's going to interpret, oh, they secretly just really hate me.
00:16:01
Speaker
Instead of i was being kind of, you know, overstepping and they were reacting, and you know. and Yeah, because she's a year or two resident, but she's acting like you can't teach me anything. Like, i yeah i i i know what I'm doing.
00:16:15
Speaker
Yeah, little chip on her shoulder. It's this whole thing that people had when the first season of The Pit came around. Everybody was saying, like, oh, Santos sucks because, oh, you know, like, Santos, ah like, she's overstepping in all these ways. But then she was proven right time and time again. And we're we're we're in that position again where, like, she's almost being underestimated. Yeah, i mean, I feel bad. Like, I feel bad for her. Like, it just like yeah the whole charting thing just seems awful. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Yeah. Oh my God. Like je when you're being like pulled in like a million different directions and you also have to do a fucking menial, tedious fucking little charting thing.
00:16:58
Speaker
like you're You're sleep deprived of people's lives. And you're sleep deprived like crazy. and and yeah They're also like i'm like, can you do your paperwork? Yeah. I, I'm like expecting like a real bad freak out or, uh, you know, she goes to the roof or, uh, she, i don't know, something bad. I feel like something bad's going to happen with her. I'm worried.
00:17:18
Speaker
I'm worried. I'm kind of surprised Mohan was the one to crack this episode because like, true. Uh, like I feel oh Robbie's on her ass a lot. yeah Oh, he rides her. yeah i Yeah. She had always seemed so like like season one. She was the one that she like to like drill drill a hole and in the one patient. And like she was like high on adrenaline and stuff like she didn't even want to go home at the end of her shift. She was hanging around. So i was just like, oh, you you're fucking adrenaline junkie. You live for this this stuff. But like, yeah, she's overwhelmed.
00:17:49
Speaker
but But also, like, she's a star doctor that doesn't get the same kind of reception that Santos does, right? Like, think about how Alishimi came in on that previous episode and was talking, clearly zeroed in on Mohan's talents, right? And was like, this is what you should be doing ah going forward. I don't think that Robbie is giving that same care and consideration to Mohan.
00:18:11
Speaker
Right. I feel like he's giving that care and consideration to Whitaker to Santos. And there is the argument to be made that maybe they aren't as deserving as Mohan or any of the other people. Like we we could talk about Joy. Right. Any of the other people. Right. ah But at the same time, ah i think that Santos very clearly mimics Whitaker's own ethos and ah Whitaker is kind of just like ah you know a wounded bird, a dove that everybody wants to take care of and make sure is all right. And and i'm ah I'm fine with that perception. I've seen it with Robbie and Whitaker and a couple episodes ago.
00:18:47
Speaker
Oh, where he gives him the house-sitting? Yeah, he like he's just like, you know, you gotta to be you can't overstep your boundaries with your patients. Oh, by the way, you want to just house-sit and ah maybe you just live in my house when I kill myself? yeah Yeah, yeah. Like, Jesus Christ. Like, I'm not one to play a hypocrite game, right? I think that's like, you know, like being like, oh, you're a hypocrite. That's almost like a fallacy. Everyone's a bit hypocritical in their own way. I get that. yeah Yeah. I feel like also, but at the same time, like Robbie is like becoming the biggest hypocrite ever. Yeah. Like just in every action he does. And it does reach this point where it's like. I mean, he laughs and he's having a yeah attack attack. Yeah. so Yeah. That whole reaction, like, oh my god. That whole scene where he's just, like, shitting on her for having a panic attack and he's like, oh, you're crying about your mommy?
00:19:41
Speaker
Like, well face yeah, yeah. You can't even look him in the face. My question is with the dismissal that he portrays here, like, is this truly the first realistic depiction of a panic attack that we've ever seen? You know, this idea that like nobody takes it seriously, you know, that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. In terms of, yeah, first realistic panic attack response.
00:20:04
Speaker
There it is. Ever depicted movie television Every time it's like the world stops and then, you know, we're helping the person. Yeah, are you all right? Mario, can you make it? Yeah.
00:20:17
Speaker
In this one, she was having a panic attack about her mommy. on. Come on. get em on Do you think because in the besides laughing in her face, he like has this look towards Langdon and some people have interpreted that that he's like looking for Langdon to kind of like join in and dogpile on Mohan. Yeah. To me, I read a little bit of that. it could It could be that, but I also thought in the moment that it was like he was kind of being incredulous of like, oh, I can't believe you fucking wasted my time. like you like Yeah, that too. You who threw the panic attack in my face last season, you're getting me to for Mohan and she's just like having a panic attack. Like, fuck you, dude.
00:21:01
Speaker
And also, too, the other thing, too, I mean, this is also just when I was looking at Twitter responses and interesting kind of takes us saying that people were like saying he is kind of just projecting and he was as the one of those things where he totally was recognizing himself in Melon, but he did not want he could not acknowledge it.
00:21:18
Speaker
Well, because he hates himself. So if he's yeah hate someone else. Yeah. Yeah. I also get the impression that like Robbie is in this position where he's like, oh, God, I'm surrounded by a bunch of idiots. and And we've never gotten this impression from Robbie before. Like he always affords everybody their basic decency and their humanity. And now he's getting to the point where he can't hide the little disdain that he has for everybody here. Yeah. right because like robbie like realistically speaking i don't think that like on a good day robbie would ever do any of this shit but like like the way that we've seen robbie moving in especially these most recent episodes yeah with with with with whitaker he's like setting him up where it's like i'm gonna give you this house if i die you know and then like with with this guy with when duke comes in because now we talk about duke a bit yeah yeah a so motorcycle buddy yeah he wants to put him on the right path
00:22:09
Speaker
personally, i feel like, wow, this is like a very honorable path for Robbie to take in terms of like trying to help people and all this stuff in his mind. It makes a lot of sense. I view this as a very selfish act. I feel this is like, he is trying to be like almost like a Messiah in these people's lives. And, and not to go back to the hypocrite thing, but it's like, he's talking about, you know, the separation of things. He wants it. So like when he's died, he's when he dies, he's missed. And I think it's actually kind of gross how he's coming across. i mean, And there is shot of him in the first episode where he's framed on the wall.
00:22:42
Speaker
There it is. yeah Like he he knows he's a part of history. He knows that people are going to like remember him way another. He wants to missed, but he's like burning his bridges in a way where it's like, za it feels like it he can't help it like coming out of him, but it ah thought it could also be kind of like self-defense of like, this will be easier if I kind of am a dick. like Yeah. you know yeah it it At the same time, you know, you do feel for him because it's like,
00:23:10
Speaker
The worst, you know, like the worst situation, the worst conditions, like the, you know, everything that goes wrong does go wrong. And it's like, you know, so much that like, I don't blame him for feeling suicidal. Yeah.
00:23:27
Speaker
No, and it's a realistic depiction of like when someone's like suffering from like, you know, any kind of like mental illness or trauma, sometimes you're a you're a dick. Yeah, you become a dick. Yeah, you're not. And it's important to keep in context that like the this whole show is about how there are all of these inadequacies that exist within the current American medical system. And how Robbie, because he has been at this hospital for so long, he's held the weight of that pressure on his shoulders while. Yeah, and it's like you can see that, you can just see how he's lost all hope.
00:24:05
Speaker
It's in the everyday failures, right? It's in, like, it's that whole speech that, Doug, you and I always bring up this idea, like, that he remembers all these people, right? Like, long past all these other things, right? And, like, whether or not that's true or not, whether or not, you know, like, he actually has... Because he totally forgot about the farmers with the burns until... He found out about Whitaker.
00:24:28
Speaker
So it's like, you know, there's a lot of hypocrisy there too, right? But at the same time, ah he knows that he's reached his breaking point. And I think that everybody else is kind of getting that too. I think it's got a lot worse to go for sure. Yeah. yeah I also think there are going to be more mass casualty events. I think the water park is the first of a few. Because it's July 4th. There's so many more things that can go horribly wrong.
00:24:54
Speaker
like we've only gotten one guy One kid got his hand blown off by a firework. I feel like there are more firework related accidents. Because it's early in the day. The fireworks doesn't even start yet. Yeah. and like There's got to be some horrible catastrophe with fireworks. Well, interestingly enough, i think that the season's actually going to finish at like 9 p.m.
00:25:13
Speaker
I think that we're not going into even like Dark Knight even ah for when the show's done. Like, aren't we still kind of in the afternoon right now at 4 p.m.?
00:25:24
Speaker
like Yeah, but it's the same amount episodes as the first season and the first season starts. So so we're we're going to finish by like 10 p.m. then. Yeah, it's like 9 to 10. Is that not where the first season ended?
00:25:39
Speaker
I think that's about Dren then. yeah I think maybe a bit later, if anything. like like It would definitely felt like it was the evening when that show ended. And and then ah like they they have already have some kind of plans for tonight, right? like like I feel like there's been some kind of whisperings for like when the the shift's over. that i Am I misremembering? McKay had plans. She had a date to go to like a museum. Oh, right, right, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah. McKay has the date.
00:26:07
Speaker
I forgot what everyone else, but I do remember the date. I mean, Jack Abbott is going to be back. yeah san Santos ain't got shit going on now. Yeah. He's got no time. Hey, again, feeding into the whole thing where she was making fun of Huckleberry, you know, for like, you know, being on the farm. And then she just keeps on being cucked this entire time. i like I'm a big fan of what all this is, because like, again, like I sympathize for Santos. I love Santos, but like everything that's happening with her and Garcia, I think that is a really interesting development with them. Yeah.
00:26:41
Speaker
Yeah. That show's just so fucking great with the character work that they do. it's it's It's pretty nuts that there aren't, you know, more TV shows that are this strong, where it's like...
00:26:53
Speaker
every episode, an episode drops, and then, like, a horde of people are, like, microanalyzing, like, the psychology of the characters and, like, really talking about them. Like, yeah, you know, like, you don't really have, you haven't had that in minute. Or, you know, at first, maybe, like, you thought Aleshimi was a villain because she was so AI-friendly. Then, like, you know, she's not really a villain. actually really She's cool. She's just lame because she likes AI. Yeah, people people are multifaceted. at some like They have flaws. They have bad days. and although Although what I will say, in terms of villains coming soon, we do know there's that ice plot happening.
00:27:35
Speaker
Ooh, that's probably going to be portrayed. I would assume. i think they're going to be straight because like there's the preview. They say they have like a prisoner, or a woman prisoner, and they say it took a nasty fall. Like they're just not even referring to her as a person. They're just like, it yeah, yeah. And i i am I'm chomping because, like, Robbie, yeah he's been losing it at his coworkers, but, like, he has... i would love to see him lose it at his at ah at an ICE agent. Yeah, like, direct... I really love that. Righteous Fury, like, go hold Yeah.
00:28:07
Speaker
Yeah. Or even or or just takes he just takes the ice agent's gun. It's like a fucking ah Manchester by the sea. How many times have people killed themselves by getting like police officers and stuff to get them shot? You know, so like everything that you guys are just saying right there. Hey, it's on the table, right? yeah But then also like, ah you know, feeding into the Messiah complex, you know, like Robbie could step in to help with the ICE agents in that sense. ah but But personally, like i like I feel like it's going to be like a here and there kind of thing. I don't think this is going to become like a major arc through the rest of the season. It'd be cool if it did. ah Right, right, right. But it's probably going to take about the same screen time as like another one of the pages. Yeah, yeah. sexual assault patient or whatever, you know, like, uh, it'll be like a full episode. It won't be like the whole thing. Right. Yeah. And like, we'll see. Maybe I'm, I'm totally wrong on that.
00:29:01
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, who knows? They could show up and then the whole tone changes cause they're there. And now everyone is on alert cause they're there. that That'd be really cool. Because they might have other pain. I mean, cause the Haitian, uh, kid. Yeah. i mean, there are a few people who could be yeah. Who could be a suspect for them.
00:29:18
Speaker
Which is, yeah, fucking awful. But it's nice to see, like, a show actually address it and not try and, like, sugarcoat it or, you know, even, like, paint them in a positive light,
Social Impact and Realism in 'The Pit'
00:29:27
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you know? It's, like, it's like no actually directing them as, like, Nazi light people.
00:29:32
Speaker
yeah Well, like, this this goes back to why I appreciate this show, even if, like, you know, you could say, like, it's it's, like, a lib show, you know? Like, it's a very, It's an after-school special show or whatever, but it's... what literally the best version of that ever. Yeah. True.
00:29:49
Speaker
And like, honestly, I think it's okay for it to be a little after school, especially because it's important information. it's like yeah very vital stuff. Like, you know, it's not propaganda. It's like actual health information.
00:30:05
Speaker
And, know, yeah, because it's about doctors it acknowledges the dark side of not just the health care system, but other like, yeah, real world political issues. But then it also does get to be kind of like the fantasy of like you wish every doctor was on this level of like caring. Yeah. much Yeah.
00:30:24
Speaker
yeah so one i know It's impressive how much it really strikes that balance between like what is needed ah of a prestige TV show versus like what they want to do with like translating medical the medical world into you know a realistic TV show.
00:30:41
Speaker
up on that note of like fantasy right can can we finally get into like uh langdon and mel king shipping can we talk about like what's going on yeah also mel and her sister i love i love the reveal his name is adam and we're having sex lot of sex
00:31:10
Speaker
and i almost I almost wanted that to be the credits. see like she Yeah. My downer sister. Credit. Yeah. is that Instead, instead they they do the downer to the credits where the woman's dying, but whatever. yeah Get ah out of here. want to see you now. Get this family shit out of here. Sexually active autistic sister. Yeah. we'll get to that whole like a dying yeah somewhat later, but like, yeah yeah like I, good so like, like something that like I was talking to Doug about before you hopped on Jared was like last, last week I was like jokingly going like maybe, maybe Langdon was lying about like being married. you About his wife taking him back. Yeah. Maybe like he's actually single right now. He has the ring on his finger, but you know, that does mean a lot of people have been sharing a particular clip where uh dana is asking like oh you know like you want to like try to like get money for louis uh funeral oh yeah yeah yeah he makes a look yeah he like he puts his he no he puts his hand on his head and it's prominently showing his wedding ring yeah so it's like oh yeah you yeah
00:32:23
Speaker
not a good look for somebody who's married, you know? yeah So like, there's a lot of people who've been going, maybe he is not actually married anymore and maybe he's single and maybe this whole thing is going to happen. You know, like you maybe he's technically still going to be married or something. Yeah.
00:32:38
Speaker
but Like, personally, I think that that would be, like, the best outcome, like, from a narrative standpoint, if you're still trying to make it work. I don't want it to become, like, the whole, like, all let's, you know, get Mel and Langdon together. At the same time, like, for whatever reason, it seems like that, like, opportunity opening up more and more. And I'm like, what?
00:32:58
Speaker
Like, we're really going down this path? I thought i i didn't actually think we would do this. Yeah. Well, LinkedIn seems more bemused by every, like like when Becca was like, ah, I see why she likes you. And then like her repeating that again with him in the room. He's kind of, he seems tickled by, he's like, oh, this i mean, probably because ever he's been felt kind of shut out by, you know, people. so Yeah, because no one contacted him and he was gone. so it's like kind of nice that like, hey, there's someone who actually likes likes me. Yeah. But but but it's important.
00:33:30
Speaker
But it's important that like in the last episode we had, like not the last episode, but maybe the episode before then. Right, right, right. We had those girls that like came in and she like twirling their hair. Oh, yeah. We got the hot doctor, right? Yeah, yeah, that's right. Right, right, right. With the song.
00:33:47
Speaker
Yeah, i I want to see them become really good friends. You know? I want to see them make out. I want to see them be friends that fool around. I see them hey friends with benefits i want to see And then his ramen takes them back and then he's like, uh-oh, I've been with someone else.
00:34:11
Speaker
and yeah jesus Oh, no. Ramen in bed. I like people's reaction to that. The Garcia. They're like, that's crazy. Sex and ramen in bed. Like, don't know. Have they never had a cup of noodle? You have a bowl. Like, i mean, if you drip some on the bed, you do. sheet I mean, you're washing your sheets anyway, ah presumably. So, like, don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:38
Speaker
I'm coming at this from the cup of noodle thing. Have you guys ever had like a cup of noodle where it's like, you know, like most of the past is like absorb, like absorbing the water anyways. Like you're not getting any splash at that point. You're just eating like damp noodles.
00:34:51
Speaker
So like, like at that point, I'm like, I get it. I wouldn't do it. I want the record to show I wouldn't eat ramen in bed. Like personally, that's not my thing. But I do like, you know, see, you know,
00:35:06
Speaker
I support it I think baddies should be able to eat ramen in bed or whenever they, wherever they want. I think anyone should be allowed to eat raw men in bed. but h Take it down and smash that glass ceiling. Sorry, you're opening yourself up for that one. I had to. I had to. You saw the opportunity you took.
00:35:31
Speaker
Any one of us would have done the same. So, yeah. I'd hope so. I'd hope so.
00:35:38
Speaker
other Other doctors. Well, the shark. Out here. Look at all the veins in my neck. You know, like that. I feel like every time he's on the screen, you know, like he's like, like you're, you're wondering to yourself, you're like, oh, why did they call him a shark? But then like when he's examining the leg and he's like looking, you know, like his face gets really pointy, you know? Yeah.
00:36:05
Speaker
The thing in a row now that we're talking about with human sharks. Right. yeah i mean, there's also a connection. He was going to buy the Pittsburgh Payment. Yeah, yeah. Pittsburgh connection.
00:36:18
Speaker
It's the same universe. They could show up. Matt Johnson just appears, yeah. Yeah, they could very well hurt themselves. I mean, hey, Matt matt blinded himself on Nirvana the Band of the show Yeah. Watching Star Wars too close, so...
00:36:33
Speaker
Oh my God, Jay, we're in Pittsburgh. That's how we're going to get to the Rivoli, you know, like it's one of those things. Another scheme. Yeah. Yeah. I can't wait till the show's in. It's like 20th season. They're just pulling random like guests like, ah, can you believe these people are here?
00:36:50
Speaker
and love that they got Eric Andre almost as like a prank for ah for Matt. Did you see that Eric Andre one? where he was dressed up like Matt. No. I didn't see that. thought you were talking about the pit for a second. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. That's awesome. No, I was going back to Nirvana. That'd be the perfect. It's like a whole thing, and then it turns out it's actually just a prank for the show, and it's like a whole camera crew's in there, and doctor's just like, what the fuck is going on? You just got slimed, you know? Yeah. And the slime comes down, you know?
00:37:24
Speaker
And they just cause more accidents more injuries and more vulnerable shit. Dorf can't make it to her date. You know, it's a disaster. Yeah. ah ah About the patient with losing the lake, it's interesting that Robbie can't contain like his disdain or anger for the other, you know, doctors and the staff. But like he is still trying to be compassionate towards the patients because he's like, like you know, yeah telling of like we're not going to tell her about the leg until like they need consent to do the operation but at first and like just put it there and scan it like pretend it's just like attached yeah i mean that shit's so fucking gnarly that whole sequence was like oh my god
00:38:09
Speaker
and like it's I'm in the same boat as that as the kid who blew off his fingers where it's like, I don't want to see I don't want, i ah like, because you could it be like, they they're numbing her up so she can't feel it, but you would still like, feel you know, kind of like like phantom limb shit. Like, you'd like, something feels fucked up.
00:38:26
Speaker
it's Like, my my leg feels like it's not there, but it's there, but it's not. Yeah. I'm thinking about this from, like, her years from now, where she's like, remember that time where, like, I lost my leg for, like, a minute? Yeah, remember that time rode a water slide and it broke and I hit a fence and lost my leg? And then they somehow broke. Yeah. Yeah, she snipped it, he's like, that's fine. We can reattach you. He licked it, he tasted it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:38:57
Speaker
He almost did. It's a little secret agent reference event. Oh, You know, there's a leg coming out of a shark in that movie. There you go. Yeah, wow. Well, it's all connected.
Emotion and Family Dynamics
00:39:11
Speaker
Everything is connected. Everyone on the pit, they're voting for the secret agent, obviously. Yeah, obviously. It is interesting to see Ogilvy so shaken by it. Because like I said, he is almost robotic in how he analyzes. Well, that was like when he's got to hold the leg. Yeah, he's like kind of traumatized by that. Yeah, because it's fucked up.
00:39:34
Speaker
Yeah. And I was like, you know... it's like either you know because of some some of the other reactions he's had it's like he gets handed the leg is is he gonna be like whoa cool or is he gonna be like ah and you know he had a very not like whoa cool he had a very normal person reaction to a you know a disembodied leg he erred on the side side of empathy for once in his life yeah it's Speaking of empathy, we should talk about the, you know, ah sad situation that's unfolding with the yeah so with the dying mother. the mom. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:12
Speaker
And like we got like a really bad weak moment of weakness with Dr. J. Doug and I, one of Doug and I's favorite characters. I just like saying Dr. J. And I also like right that.
00:40:23
Speaker
ah I keep wanting to call him tall Whitaker. That Ogilvy. Yeah. That Ogilvy just calls her Dr. J, but not knowing about the influence. Yeah, not knowing about the TikTok or whatever whatever. Yeah, that was funny. He's just pal's just being silly. And then he's like, wait, are you an influence? I kind of totally, I honestly totally forgot about the influencer thing. So then when that all happened, I like burst out laughing because it's like yeah yeah she does not present like an influencer.
00:40:53
Speaker
No. At all. She looks so scared all the time. You know, influencers, I think of like being like confident, like, hey, here's how to put your life into shape or something. Yeah. Yeah, like they know, they they all always know what they're talking about. They like, you know, have ah have a confidence about them and she is like not like that at all.
00:41:10
Speaker
I just imagine her stammering a lot. I'm like, does she edit that out? or you know and Maybe she's got a great on-camera presence that does not exist. She can just turn it on, yeah. Yeah.
00:41:22
Speaker
Well, you kind of see a little bit of those TikToks in the earlier episodes, and she's got some presence, you know. i got to rewatch that. I got to rewatch that. I've already forgotten that they show you the TikToks. A little snippet, yeah. A little snippet, okay.
00:41:37
Speaker
regard I thought it was more like they were off-screen TikToks. She's looking for a way to, like, express and to, like, actually make her mark. And, like, this this episode put forward that, like, she is still more connected to her parents than even she was thinking, you know? Like, yeah i feel like, especially as the season goes along, like, I think there's a chance that, like, she loses medicine by the end of the season. I feel like she may even, like, quit being a doctor just based on, like... I was wondering if that was going to happen to Santos.
00:42:09
Speaker
Yeah. also on the topic. was kind of thinking she was probably going to quit just because it does seem very overwhelming for her. But maybe just to spite her mom, she might be, because the mom is like, this is beneath you in the ER. She calls it street medicine or something, which is funny. Yeah. It feels like, I'm like, is this like class? It's like, what is this? Yeah, it does feel a bit like a bit like that.
00:42:36
Speaker
Yeah. So, so i don't know if out of resentment that she'll just be like, no, I belong in the yeah ER. This is my family who we all hate each other, but we're family.
00:42:47
Speaker
Also, where's Mateo? You know, he's the hacker. He's busy hacking. Oh, yeah. yeah I guess he just wasn't around that day. July 4th vacation. yeah his Him and Collins are off on like, you know, bra she's boy he's her boy. They went on vacation.
00:43:08
Speaker
Good for them. Yeah. Would be insane if they actually killed off Robbie at the end of this or in between this and season three. Because people are like, so like i don't what they won't kill Dr. Robbie in the Dr. Robbie show, but I'm like, it's a whole ensemble. I don't know. Maybe yeah maybe Noah Wiley wants to just be more like, you know behind the camera, creative side. and i't i was I was kind of funny. I was talking about this with my parents the other day, and my dad had a piece of information
00:43:39
Speaker
a casting information that made me think that they were actually going to kill off Dr. Robbie, but then found out my dad's information was faulty. And so...
00:43:53
Speaker
Basically, to be more specific, ah my dad had thought he had read like a Deadline-type article ah being like, it was like, actors from the pits make Broadway debut next year.
00:44:10
Speaker
and he thought one of the actors was Noah Wiley. and so I think it's Santos is going to be on. Yeah, so it's Santos and Langdon. Both those actors are being are going to be on Broadway. I i want to see them on Broadway together. But it was it was funny because, like, it was just funny because, like, i my dad was saying, like, oh, no, Wiley's going to be on Broadway. And I was like, whoa, wow.
00:44:32
Speaker
I had no idea he could you know he could sing. and And then, lo and behold, he probably can't. i don't I do not want to hear him sing. I feel like he's an actor, you know. but But then, of course, you know, I heard that he was, yeah I heard from my dad that, know, he was going do this thing. So then, of course, I'm thinking, okay, that's it. He's dying on the pit.
00:44:52
Speaker
If we're talking about pit actors, like, you guys know that, like, ah Santos was on Hades, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doug, have you... And then like ah the one, yeah what's her name? and that the The nurse. The one um ah that that does the, treats the sexual assault victim. oh Dana or the new trainee? which dan Dana. dana she's I think she has some kind of theater background too.
00:45:20
Speaker
Or a dance background or something. I forget. Well, that makes sense. For all I know, she created a new accent because it's funny that no one else talks like baby Jane Doe. No, but that's interesting, Doug.
00:45:32
Speaker
In the, in in the ah ah like, you know, like how they they'll do like cast, you know, interviews and like, you know, they'll have them. she she She talks exactly the same way. Like that's her voice. that's just That is just her voice. She's just not Bostonian?
00:45:47
Speaker
reallyy ah Like she's definitely American. It sounded like Boston to me. Yeah. Because like my cras know that like so some of these guys are British, you know, some of these people are Australian, right? Right, right, right. Like she is definitely like an American accent. Personally, like I don't know which one she's got, but she definitely is matching that Philly energy really well.
00:46:08
Speaker
Yeah. Like, I mean, it again, I thought it was like Boston. Yeah. I feel like in Boston and Philly, yeah. Water.
00:46:20
Speaker
Water. i don't know, I could be wrong. I'm bad. i'm not i' I do not have a goodie good ear for accents. I don't i don't either. and People tell me, like, i got a Midwest accent. and I'm like, I i talk normal. don't know you're talking about.
00:46:35
Speaker
I've got a good ear for accents, but like, like I got to focus, you know, like I know for sure I sound Canadian as hell. ah But at the same time, it's it's one of those things where, you know, you just got to know when to look for it. Also, we did skip over the the mother
Personal Reflections and Season Overview
00:46:49
Speaker
who's dying. And I do. Yeah, sorry. mother We totally did. We tried to, but it's such a depressing one that I think we just naturally just diverted off to something less depressing. yeah But yeah, no, that. Yeah, it's great.
00:47:00
Speaker
Great. Well, amazingly performed by that actress. Yeah. And we get that moment where the son doesn't want to be in the room. Yeah. Right. And, and, and I felt that was devastating. Yeah. That was all played.
00:47:14
Speaker
Then, uh, you know, she says the perfect thing to him, which is just that like, yeah. Yeah. remember though you know you don't have to do if you don't want to but just remember 30 years from now you might be thinking you're regretting not going in was very true words uh yeah and you know as someone who's experienced lots of like familial loss like you know a lot of that stuff is like and Luckily, most of my parents are still alive, but, like, I've lost a lot of, like, grandparents and uncles, that kind of thing. i ah Sorry to hear. Yeah, you know.
00:47:45
Speaker
A lot of the that stuff, like, means very true. Yeah. I mean, same. I've also dealt with my fair share of, like, you know, like, the familial end-of-life stuff, and it's it's never easy. And, like, you all do have that regret because there's been times for, like, grandparents where it's like – I kind of did have the opportunity to see them in my mind. i was like, they they've been in the hospital before. theyre but They're fine. They'll be fine. And then I did. And I'm like, fuck.
00:48:09
Speaker
Or just like not even, yeah even ah a on a different level, like just wishing you were just more present in the moment for their last years or whatever, you know? Yeah.
00:48:19
Speaker
Like that of thing. What this show has gotten so well is that it made this its whole season arc, really. Like like everything, with like there have been multiple season arcs and that was the same way with the with the first season. But like this is the largest season arc we've had this whole time.
00:48:36
Speaker
was this whole yeah moment of this woman dying. The one where the ending is a foregone conclusion. It's not like, that can they beat this disease or figure out a solution? Yeah, you know from the get-go that she's on her way out. But but but but it's interesting that it we are introduced to this character as like, she is dying, but like you know we know that and she's in a hospice care and she's going to go home after all this. And it's accelerated to the point where she is bed bound and she's going to die right now. Yeah. like She can't even go home.
00:49:07
Speaker
it It is so brutal. And like, like I brought up Dr. Javadi earlier because she ran out of the room because it was too difficult for her. yeah and I think that it's so important to see similar to ah that,
00:49:21
Speaker
ah patient who was a victim of sexual assault to have a similar circumstance here where Dorif's character is able to like, you know, ah be present in these moments to like not let anything else like interrupt. You know, this is what they're here for at this moment. This is what the show does at its best. It's this empathy forward storytelling where it allows yeah for us to just be present in that situation to allow for this all to wash over all of us.
00:49:52
Speaker
hu Yeah, exactly. Pretty much. Yeah, it's it's brutal like the to this to me is the I mean, there's there's been multiple storylines that get me to to start tearing up across both both seasons. three Yeah, I feel like this the one this most resembles from season one is the the kid who had the fentanyl overdose because like he he dies. He's pretty much like DOA. And then it's really just how the family responds to it. And like that, that's what got me. Yeah. This is, like, someone who is dying, and it's about them being able to, like, be honest with their loved ones about, like, I'm ready to let go. Like, I can't. Yeah. I can't do it anymore. Yeah. And you feel horrible for the husband who just thinks the whole time, she's going to come home, she's going to come home, and, eh, no.
00:50:36
Speaker
Yeah. But it was also, it's because, it's like, he was, you know, he can't face the facts, you know? It's like... A fucking horrible thing for to process for him alone, you know?
00:50:49
Speaker
it' It's just not like a crazy hospital where million things are happening at once. Yeah. Oh, no. No, this is a totally normal hospital. Very calm and chill hospital.
00:50:59
Speaker
Yeah. Who else we got on the chopping block? Old Dana needs nicotine gum. ah Yeah. And we got Monica coming back, too, you know? yeah. yeah New favorite character unlocked, Monica. Love her.
00:51:17
Speaker
Yeah, so she has to, like, write a script for, or she gets, she her insurance covers the nicotine gum, so she gets it for her. Yeah. And Jabadi's like, is that insurance fraud? She's like, lock me up. It beats being here. Or whatever it was. Yeah.
00:51:34
Speaker
That was a great fit. Another one of those moments where you're just like, that conversation has definitely happened in an ER r or somewhere. You know? Yeah. That feels real to life. Yeah.
00:51:45
Speaker
Uh, we're, we're definitely getting to that point where like things are crashing down, but like, I, I definitely feel like there's less urgency in this season. I feel like it's more like the tires are like giving out a bit. I'm interested in seeing like if the tires like fly off and like go in different directions or if they just like leave a really long skid mark and reach out. And like, I'm, I'm happy with either direction almost. You guys know what i mean?
00:52:12
Speaker
yeah Yeah, no, I get you. I get you. is it's goingnna Is it going to be a big blow up or is it going to be like a slow burn? Like, you know, I would be OK with either one, like because it it would be like different than season one. But I kind of. Yeah, I'm kind of more on Jared's mind of like where it'd be like there's going to be it's not just the water slide collapse. Like there's going to be.
00:52:33
Speaker
ah No, it's just gonna be like compounding stuff because like they had to shut down because of the take the water slide victims coming in. And then like, what's the next? And, you know, ice is going to be in. And then it's just there are other July 4th related activities that could still go wrong.
00:52:49
Speaker
You know, fireworks on a larger scale and other kinds of people who are too patriotic barbecues burning up going in flames or some shit. i don't know.
00:53:01
Speaker
the The Southland Tales blimp is just there in Philadelphia. yeah the New Hindenburg. Yeah, new new blimp disaster. ah Yeah, plane crash. I don't know. Why not?
00:53:13
Speaker
Yeah. All of it. and And, like, that that could be another thing, too, because, like, we were talking about, like, Robbie's suicide of as if it's, at like, a foregone conclusion.
Audience Reactions and Speculations
00:53:25
Speaker
But I do think that there is another route in this finale where Robbie doesn't leave. Yeah, they put on a cycle. No, no, no, no. I think there's another realm where, like, Robbie never leaves. That, like, Robbie, like, chooses to, like, stay and just, like, continues. And, like, the things that have been happening just keep getting worse.
00:53:46
Speaker
Yeah. i I could see it going either way or dies. I don't know, like that. Or he goes and he dies. ah or Or he at least tries. because It's like they they pull a Game of Thrones, you know, and kill after Sean Bean.
00:54:01
Speaker
Why not? It would be ballsy. And then Dr. Langdon and Mel King get married. Like all all of it happens. It ends with a wedding. Like all of the shipping stuff is insane to me. You know, like, i like ah one thing I'm happy is that about is that I feel like for this week is all, obviously all of us are on Twitter.
00:54:24
Speaker
I feel like this week was the first week where it didn't feel like I was logging on and people were going like, and here's why the pit sucks. You know? Right. Yeah. Nobody was trying to do that thing where they were like, because they did this incorrectly, now the pit's done. Right. I feel like for every week, it felt like somebody was trying to do one of those for whatever reason. And now it's reached the point where everybody's locked Yeah. You know? We're just too... I feel like it's like there are opportunities for... Like at the Ice storyline, if something is a little off with that, someone's going to be like, you know...
00:54:59
Speaker
I got to stop watching the show. They support ice. They fucked it up. But I like when you went to the bathroom. Yeah. That. Oh, OK. Yeah.
00:55:10
Speaker
I think ah they're not going to portray ISIS sympathetic at all based on that that preview. Like, I don't think it's I actually I missed the preview, but like I can tell like from what everyone else is saying that, like, it's got to be.
00:55:25
Speaker
I mean, I feel like I heard that like Robbie has like a line later in the episode where it's like, ever since your fucking agents have been here, my hospital has been something, something bad, bad, bad. You've but distraction. I think I saw that too. And I think from what I, I kind of just skimmed it because I didn't want to like read. Yeah, I didn't want to get too spoiled and yeah, yeah, yeah. But it sounds like that might be later. I get,
00:55:47
Speaker
That might be later in the season than just this episode. Because i I could see it just being like initially like another case, but then it kind of recedes into the background. And then they're they're just there in the hospital, you know, like that's just another thing. Yeah, or again, I could also see it being a thing that like, a thing that like,
00:56:05
Speaker
takes control of like the other cases because it becomes that big of an issue with the ICE agents in the poking their heads in, you know, other patients. Yeah. And they start acting like fucking idiots like they do in real life.
00:56:19
Speaker
Yeah. And that's the thing. Like, it's not even the show, like being didactic. They're just show they do. They have shown up at hospitals before. Like, they'll take. Yeah. ICE agents are notoriously fucking dumb.
00:56:30
Speaker
hmm. and And the idea, like, because, like, I imagine they're going to be, like, masked. Like, is this going to be? In the preview, it looked like there was one who had the mask on and then there was another guy who had, like, the body armor on who maybe his mask was, like, pulled down or something. i couldn't. It was like a behind shot. So I couldn't tell. It didn't look like one mask was all the way up.
00:56:52
Speaker
Yeah, like it doesn't feel like a it's not feeling like it's taking place in a fantasy world. There's some heightened stuff for sure, but it doesn't feel like ah the West Wing. It feels like a natural fantasy room. It feels like an extension of who these characters are, that they really are that empathetic and that just naturally, like having good politics is really just comes down to like, do you give a shit about other people or not? You know, so like, it's like...
00:57:20
Speaker
These people just want to help people and care about other people. So that naturally leads to like, you know, like it leads more left because that's what that is. it's thems the I guess the one the one thing, the one issue that seems to be the AI issue is not being as like...
00:57:38
Speaker
firmly it's it was like some back and forth chatter and then some like bits where santos was using and getting things wrong but then like it seems like they haven't really kind of gotten back to it well because they had to shut down so there's like not even an opportunity to because they had to shut that's true because of the power problem because of the hack and all that yeah that's true they should reveal the hacker wasn't even a person it was an ai it was an ai no it was It was Ogilvy. We know it was Ogilvy. But the main thing with that is that it definitely felt like it was introducing that to kind of like challenge Alishimi a bit. Of like, can we trust her? Yeah. And then it also presents itself as a challenge to these doctors to be like, okay, when all the tech is gone, can you still perform? Yeah, that's true. But also like...
00:58:35
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There are two doctors who are having issues with that, right? It's Javadi and Santos, right? Yeah. So it's like, isn't that interesting that like two of the star people from the first season have been taken down the peg just like this when the the basic fundamentals have been taken away?
00:58:51
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Just think that's interesting. Because Al Hashimi has the tech taken away and she has to get her hands dirty. And then she ends up doing, well, it it's interesting because it's still like backed by tech because she's never done that procedure before. She's only done it on a sim. So it's like they are still being like, oh she and was. It's pretty irresponsible that she did that. Like if we're being real. She did it a bit real is irresponsible. But she's never done it before. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:59:16
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yeah yeah If we can excuse what happened with like Mohan and and Jack Abbott in the first season with within that context, like we can forgive it here, right? Yeah. But that being said, it's still a situation we have to call into question. And I feel like ah we both ah we all like understand why that happened in the first season, right? Right. And now we're in the situation where it's like we've been giving being getting hints for like what Alishimi has been going through. And now we're going to, like, get to the point where it's, like, we're going to get the whole picture very soon.
00:59:48
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Yeah, that's true. don't know. Because ah ultimately, it's, like, it does feel like the the show is maybe a little neutral in the AI issue. little bit, maybe. I think so, too. Yeah. Because, again, it's lib. It's not, you know. Yeah. It's like, yeah, gets some stuff wrong, but it seems like it could be useful. Like, it's leaving that door open, like, kind of. Yeah. It's not like a full condemnation of, like,
01:00:13
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it's it's It's no ah good luck, don't die, have fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sounds doesn't go as far as that movie, unfortunately. It's like, we need to be Luddites. Destroy your phones now. Yeah, let's develop Wi-Fi allergies right now, please.
01:00:28
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we We peaked a generation ago. We should have killed ourselves back then, is what that movie is is
Film Appreciation and Critiques
01:00:37
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a very... yeah I love that movie. I i truly do. ah But like the... Yeah, that was a fun movie.
01:00:45
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Sam Rockwell should show up in the hospital. As Chuck Beres from Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. bringing it back to Charlie Kaufman. He's like just like tapping. Apparently he hated how George Clooney adapted that movie.
01:00:59
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Like really he had such a, like he says that like he butchered. Carl Kaufman did. Yeah. cra yeah hates it and ah Yeah. I like the staginess of it. i like the, the, those wonders where the sets were changing.
01:01:11
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as It's just a really boring movie otherwise. Like that's the biggest problem. I mean, I just, the performance keeps me locked in. And then also the tone, like to me, I would say, i mean, he came out, Clooney came out to gate directing, like both his first movies were barriers. You have like good night, good luck. And then confessions of a dangerous mind. But I prefer confessions just because like that one feels the most, like the Coen brothers rubbed off on him. Like the, like you're just like, yeah, he went from being with them and that you can kind of feel that in like the sad, the humor It just doesn't really come together in the way that he thinks it does, I think. Right. And and and you can tell that like with Charlie Kaufman, he's such a perspective driven screenwriter. He's somebody where it's like he's got his way of doing it. It's why he became a director. It's like, you know, yeah after a certain point, it's like it has to be a certain way. And and with with something like George Clooney, he's like, you know,
01:02:04
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like he's Barack Obama adjacent almost, you know, like, and then that's the way I'd phrase it, you know, like his, his, his way of looking at the world is very particular, you know, and and in order for it to just be like, you know, transferred in a particular way, it's very plain, you know, and, and, and you wish that it could have a bit more character. Good night and good luck. You know, it works as a movie because it is so formalist. Still got to see that. Classical.
01:02:30
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It's good. i got Good movie. It makes sense that that became a play because it feels very play-like. Yes, it does. It's very like, you know, one location. It's driven. And and David Strathairn's so good in that movie. Like, I mean, he's good in everything.
01:02:46
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Yeah, that's true. That's true. I just love him. um But yeah, no, George Clooney, he's just such a boring filmmaker. You know what I will say? Like, I feel like Jodie Foster is a boring filmmaker as well.
01:02:58
Speaker
I'll put that out there. don't know if I've seen her movies yet. I want to see the Mel Gibson one where he has a puppet. Oh, the beaver. beaver. Yeah. Yeah. Did she do any other ones? She did. One of my favorites, the money monster, where George Clooney. Oh, yeah. I missed that one. Oh, I haven't That's like been on HBO in the background. I've like caught parts of it or something. There.
01:03:21
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Very funny movie. Very funny movie. first just got the i just ah Speaking of actor-director movies, I just caught The Bride in IMAX. Did you laugh? I still want to see it. I had a fun time with it. It is it sounds like can't be fun. i kind yeah it's it's it is like...
01:03:38
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I can totally understand if you go to see it and you're deeply annoyed by it. I don't blame people who are annoyed by it. It is like a kind of like confrontational, kind of obvious, kind of like on the nose or very like ah pop feminism sort whatever. But...
01:03:56
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It's also just like so weird. And like the central performance is just so bizarre. And Christian Bale is like so much fun to watch. I love this character, the way he plays Frankenstein in it. I love the like the fact that Frankenstein is like a musical fan.
01:04:13
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and then like they they they have like dance sequences. i heard a spoiler, right? Can I say this as like a question about the spoiler? About the ending music choice?
01:04:25
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is Is there a sequence where they dance to Puttin' on the Ritz? Yeah. Hell yeah. Okay, yeah, I can't wait to see it. Yeah, there's like bit for their... That's a young Frankenstein called there, and that's awesome. I think it was Puttin' on... I think, but it's like a remix sort of version, I think. Oh, perfect. But it's like... Is it dubstep? You're blue, and you... Yeah, it's like a whole, it is like a whole thing. It's a great sequence. It's, uh, yeah. See, now I'm hyped for this.
01:04:53
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It's a fun movie. It's just like, and yeah. I like the Roadhouse remake. Did you guys like that movie? I missed it. I missed it. heard it was fun, though. I heard it was, you know, there was some fun, like,
01:05:05
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digital fight where they were like digitally making it look like they were punching each other for real and stuff right they they they they kind of like revolutionized in a way where like stitching together one take sequences what was what they were doing was they made it so like uh they could they could cut together a lot of these action sequences so they could look like they were taking place continuously and a lot of what you were talking about is a part of that.
01:05:32
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um and And the movie's good for the action sequences too, but also like Doug Liman surprisingly did a great job in terms of like a place and time. Like the movie actually like feels like a good hangout. We're in Miami, like kind of Florida kind of Keys area. mean,
01:05:49
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And then you've got Conor McGregor. Sorry, I just got to say Conor McGregor. Oh, yeah. He's like the bad guy, right? He's so bad. Like all of his lines are 80 yard. now They're all funny. Madam Web bad.
01:06:01
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ah My spiders better to take my spider. Oh, OK. Because because I felt so bad for that actor because he's like, yeah, otherwise a great actor. Yeah. Like he's been in like great movies.
01:06:13
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And then like that. And it's just like every line is not him. is that That has to be from the story. Because from what I've heard behind the scenes of the how Sony haphazardly runs the stuff of like, it was originally supposed to be like he wants to change the timeline by killing.
01:06:29
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Because you have the birth of Peter Parker happening in that movie and it doesn't matter. Like it was, I think it was supposed to be. That was supposed to be more central to the spot. He was trying. to stop Peter Parker from being born because Spider-Man kills him and instead it it they just have to change everything he says because that's no longer what the movie is about Madame Web was one of those rare movies where like I saw it in the camera rip and then I rushed it to the theater to watch it i was like a big screen Sony, release Man Web
Film Universe and Directorial Projects
01:07:02
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2. Restore the Sony universe of Spider-Man characters or what was it called? The Spunk. The Spunkiverse? I don't think that's what it was called.
01:07:16
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I'm trying to imagine like a Zack Snyder style fandom that's like specifically so built around the Sony universe of Spider-Man characters just being like, we want more Venom movies.
01:07:27
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Release the Mark Webb cut. Yes. More Craven. You were craven, craven. You know? You tease a chameleon at the end and you're not going give me more? Come on. Or the more of you is cliffhanger of Michael Keaton definitely on set and not just phoning in. All the boys are like, I think this has something to do with Spider-Man. Yeah.
01:07:51
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so I honestly just want to see a madam Madame Wett movie where she's in the wheelchair. and It's so funny that they surf Dracula. Her whole deal is that she's an old woman in the wheelchair who sees the future and they're like, we're not going to get her. What if she's young and not in a wheelchair? And yeah, and Dakota Johnson.
01:08:13
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And doesn't know CPR, even though she claims to. And and teaches a whole group of people. And what if Pepsi saved of the day and Yeah, what if the Pepsi logo saved the day?
01:08:26
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do think it's really unfortunate that you could probably take individual shots from the materialists and Madame Web, and you could jumble them up. You could mix them Right. No, no, no. And then you could like show them to people and you'd be like, which one is which? Right. Like which one's materialist? Which one is Madame Webb? And people would be confused.
01:08:47
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I feel like the only way you yeah know is yeah the long lenses, the way that they shot Madame Webb's on more long lenses. Like I don't also, is that a different aspect ratio? Slightly, yes. Was it 4'3"? Yeah. And Madame Web was the wide frame, and then Materialist was like a more frame. don't remember Pedro Pascal getting on his knees to simulate how tall he was before a leg surgery in Madame Web, but i could be forgetting. I wish. I wish. i wish that he I wish that there was a sequence where he got up on a table and danced to Britney Spears.
01:09:21
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Slowly danced to Britney Spears with little energy. I mean, there could have easily been a sequence in Materialist where Pedro Pascal runs over as Spider-Man with an ambulance.
01:09:35
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yeah could have fit right in, honestly. It works with the commentary of the film, I feel. you know like It would have made sense. So I was looking at Doug Liman's IMDb. What has he got coming up next? He's got like a weird one coming up next. well There's an AI film.
01:09:50
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They're doing yeah the live, die, repeat also. It's like an AI movie. His next movie is like an AI thing, right? What was it That's true. He and announced yeah kind of project that was AI related. I don't know remember the details, but like it was something maybe animated. That's a shame. It's such a shame. i want to root for the guy. I really enjoyed yeah at Edge of Tomorrow.
01:10:11
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you know yeah was movie that should have way better. ah And again, going back to Roadhouse, like I think that movie is really interesting. And i think that like if you guys do watch that movie, like it it is actually like what I would want from more action films from this era. ah But at the same time, ah like ah if if you're going down the AI slop, like Darren Aronofsky, you know, like. Yeah. Like, what's the deal with that? And it was right after he made, like, a fucking cool- His, like, best movie in so long. Yeah. I was like, he should have just adapted that whole, like, book trilogy it's just Austin Butler getting fucked over for three movies. Like, wouldn't that be fucking good?
01:10:50
Speaker
Yeah, have fun. Nobody would remember Noah. You would have gotten over Noah lickety-split, you know? Okay, so Killing Satoshi is a Bitcoin biopic that's using AIs to adjust performances. What the fuck? It's like the most... And starring Pete Davidson. That's Doug Liman's next movie? Yeah, it's like a cursed stream of... the Like, Pete Davidson, Bitcoin biopic. AI. Where AI is being utilized to adjust performances in post. Oh.
01:11:19
Speaker
I don't know if this is a hot take, but I just have to say like Pete Davidson, I'm not buying that psyop, right? Like that what enough time has passed. I don't think he's funny. You don't buy it? but I'll believe that, you know, that that actually fills. I haven't seen enough.
01:11:35
Speaker
I haven't. I never watched King of Staten Island. He's been around for years, right? I know. But like I, so my exposure to him is mostly through like tabloid news and like random SNL clips or comedy clips. I've never actually. like He was in Bodies, Bodies, Bodies, right?
01:11:53
Speaker
Briefly. Yes. He dies immediately. yeah He dies immediately in that movie. You're speaking to my point here, which is like he's he's been around for a very long time, but he's done jack shit, you know, like but also the pipeline of SNL to like comedy acting career. Is it like movie career? Is it really exists? Like, kind of exactly. So like i he's a mega superstar. Like, why is he a mega superstar? cause He was dating a lot of really famous people.
01:12:22
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Yeah, he did. That was it it was dayating it. That was like the big joke. It was like Pete Davidson's dating Ariana. Pete Davidson's david dating Madonna. pete Davidson's dating, I don't know, fucking, who who else? Madonna.
01:12:34
Speaker
Madonna, loves again, yeah. Why not? Fucking... But, ah oh, yeah, and then he was on SNL, and, then like, he just he was getting in trouble because he was always smoking weed. And I remember, like, Louis was hosting and tried getting him fired. Oh, that's right, right? he tried Yeah. Louis C.K. tried to get Pete Davidson fired for smoking weed. That's a really funny story.
01:12:58
Speaker
Yeah. I think that happened, and I was like, come on why why a fire him for that? Oh, and then I remember when I was in college. a college buddy of mine had like, because I went to and NYU and it was like, you know, one of those places where if you're the right person, you you can be in you know, with the right people doing, you know, with celebrities and stuff. So he was, he told me he had like,
01:13:27
Speaker
met Pete Davidson and like shared a joint with him and it was one of the most potent joints he'd ever smoked or maybe it was a blunt maybe have it was blunt but it was like he was like really fucking so i' really fucking strong fork found in kitchen sounds right but uh I'd be scared of like what it's laced with like and like I'm gonna start tripping now right like you're just fucking something in here I'm just, I'd be curious only because i'm a stoner as well. And it's the thing of like, what what level is he at versus the level I'm at? He was in Good Burger 2. I forgot there was a Good Burger 2. And I'm the target demographic. Oh, yeah.
01:14:06
Speaker
I never saw it either. Yeah, I totally, also, that's another one I keep forgetting about. Well, because it was a Paramount Plus stream. If there's no Abe Vigoda. Yeah, was a streamer movie. Then Jake doing We're All Dude. Yeah, Abe Vigoda's dead and you can't AI him. So, you know. Yeah, at least you don't want to. You shouldn't have. You shouldn't. No.
01:14:25
Speaker
They could have gotten less than Jake to come back, though, and do we're still all dudes or something. You know, like instead of we we we're all dudes, we're still all dudes. What, what, what? You have a less than Jake poster?
01:14:36
Speaker
and Not a less than Jake poster. i have a less than take Jake t-shirt because I went and saw them live in a concert one time. ah Less than Jake, by the way, great concert. It was at Old Warped Tour.
01:14:47
Speaker
Hell yeah. Likely place for them to be. I feel like we lost something. i feel like there'ss something has been lost with like band names since... And this has nothing to do with quality of music. Nothing to do quality of music whatsoever. I'm simply talking names.
01:15:02
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like There were some great like band names in the ninety s like i don't know bare like ladies bare naked ladies uh i i like uh fountains of wane yeah fountains of wane like that's that's a great name for beastie boys is a good one like classic right you know like we don't have a lot of names like that
01:15:26
Speaker
nickelback right? Come on. Not as close as Hugo Stank. Hugo Stank is way better. have bands now. We we just have artists, right? Yeah, it's like a lot of artists.
01:15:37
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Pink Panther S. Love her. She's great. She's great. I love, yeah, great music. Again, totally just talking names here. Not about music quality. Right. It's not at all about music. I'm...
01:15:49
Speaker
Being totally surface level. You know what it is? I just figured it out. They stopped making new Tony Hawk games. So there was no reason for bands to like try and get on the Tony Hawk soundtrack.
01:16:01
Speaker
For sure. the The moment that they stopped making like good Tony Hawk games was the moment that artists stopped caring about their brand. It makes total sense.
01:16:12
Speaker
makes total sense. I figured it out. Yeah. yeah You did. Bring back Tony Hawk acquisition. You hear, don't just do another remake. Don't, don't, don't say Tony Hawk five and like have it all based on like, you know, a cyberpunk 2077 style. Like we're going to fix it in the updates. Kind of. And then you guys played skate story.
01:16:33
Speaker
ah No, I'm abstained. It looks cool though. I've never played a Tony Hawk game, I'll admit, but I did play Skate Story. lot of fun. I don't think it's says mechanically complex as a Tony Hawk game, but like you can still do do some fun stuff. It's fun game.
01:16:47
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And it looks fucking awesome because of the art style. Yeah, visually it looks really cool. Yeah, it's like it's a fun game. little frustrating at the end, but overall really fun.
01:16:58
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The thing with Skate, right, is that it's all controlled with the analog stick, right? That's the way that you're doing it. played Skate Story on Skate Story is different than Skate. Yeah, Skate Story is different than Skate. Skate Story is its own thing. It's like an indie game. It's fantasy indie game where you're playing like a demon made out of glass.
01:17:23
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who uses who who ah uses skateboard to to ride around, and his goal for the game is to eat the moon. This sounds good. So so they' are, like, gods that that prohibit him from eating the moon, but he always skates around them, and there are, like, eight moons that he has to eat, and each one is, like, a different kind of theme or a different, like, element or...
01:17:50
Speaker
Is it like a Mega Man thing where you can do any of them at any point? or is there No, it's a specific order. It's ah it's a linear very linear game. It takes about like a few hours to beat.
01:18:02
Speaker
It's fairly quick. all right ah You can play it in like two settings, I think. two if No, yeah. Hours to go it. No, thank you. ah See, i'm I'm fine with those kinds of games where it's like in the same sense where it's like, OK, I've got a couple hours. I can play those kinds of games. The problem is, is when it's like they've got those massive intros where it's like six hours of the game is just like devoted to learning the mechanics. Have you ever played yeah a Persona game, specifically Persona 5? Oh, where this tutorial I love Persona
01:18:33
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Three is great and five
Game Mechanics and Moral Storytelling
01:18:35
Speaker
is really good. It's just, it's like a six hour where they have to introduce you because there's like a day, you know, the days of the week system and it's like they have to introduce you the concept of Tuesday and explain like, okay, you go sleep in your bed. A bed is... Do you know what Persona is? I know what it I've never played them though. So I just gave it like a breakdown. It's like a high school like sitting under kind of thing. but then it's also kind of like Pokemon. Yeah, they're fighting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like an action JRPG kind of thing. Your friendships. Friendships and all that. Yeah, yeah. The different classes. Yeah.
01:19:15
Speaker
It's cool. Like, I like it. And also, 3 is pretty metal because you summon the personas by shooting yourself. Oh, have you played ah Pathologic 3? Oh, the yeah yeah I started and I'm still at like the to yeah i'm I'm still in like the intro part where it's like, here's the plague. And so I didn't get that far yet.
01:19:37
Speaker
play the second one a lot. Be careful. Be careful with Pathologic 3. Do not play it how I played it because i put in like 19 hours into that game and then I died for good.
01:19:53
Speaker
had to get like re-sense the beginning and I did not feel i did I still don't have it in me to like go back and replay it but properly it's like a time loop thing where you normally can come back after you fail right like because ah that's kind of how it's so the thing about the game is that you have like ah a a very finite reserve of like health that ah you lose every time you die or every time you time travel. So it's like a resource that you that that takes up. It's like a time-based resource that that like you only have. It also, like depending on your actions during the day, could go up or go down.
01:20:36
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uh and then when you die you lose a ton of it and then if you try and time travel you'll also lose a ton of it but then you have to run around the map and find mirrors to punch if you punch mirrors then you gain more of this resource uh but then the problem is the mirrors do not restart when you restart the day so but yeah if you're on day three these are fine out admires mirrors you can break Yeah, there's a finite amount of mirrors you can break.
01:21:02
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And once you've broken a mirror, you that's it. And so you have to be like really careful with how you time travel, when you're time traveling, if you want to just keep going, moving the story forward, or if you want to just start time traveling immediately. I was playing it where I was trying to just play it linearly. And time travel is like the least amount as possible because I knew I was going to get confused. I was just like, I was like, I wanted to see how far I can go. And then that naturally you hit walls with the story where you just cannot progress because everything is going wrong and the characters you need to live are dying. And so then you have to, you know, time travel back to save these characters individually. But then ah you're...
01:21:48
Speaker
If you're failing, and then the thing too is that your mental health is a major mechanic in the game. That's like its own bar, right? Like your sanity? or It's its own bar and it's constantly moving.
01:21:59
Speaker
So it's like you're playing like the most highly sensitive manic depressive ever where literally one side is mania, the other side is depression. You're playing as Dr. Robby.
01:22:11
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Yeah, it's like you go too far into mania, you give yourself a heart attack, you go too far into into depression, you shoot yourself. And so then it's like if you enter into a combat ah situation where you're at you're you're encountering angry people who want you dead, ah they will run at you and try and attack you, and then you have the option to shoot them. But every time you shoot them, they don't even you don't even see a proper shooting animation. and They just like blink out of existence, and then you immediately want to kill yourself.
01:22:42
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amazing Because you feel that horrible about killing another person. It's like so like a amazing like I love the idea, the concept and all that like behind it. I just wish I wasn't so stupid when I was playing it to the point where I got 19 hours into what I'm Supposed to be like a 28 to hour campaign, I think.
01:23:05
Speaker
So I was like fairly far in and I fucked up and I lost all my research my time resource and I got zapped right back to the beginning. yeah And it so then I just deleted it. No, no, you can't. It's it's a permadeath game. Yeah, that's crazy.
01:23:21
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Yeah. Complete, total balls on the developer for doing that. But also... That's kind of the appeal of the game too. Yeah. You know, it's like, how far can you go? And me, I did 19 That was my... It's impressive.
01:23:38
Speaker
This is an entirely separate game, and it doesn't have the same kind of, like, soul-crushing, know, difficulty. But have you ever played Eternal Darkness for GameCube? yeah. that That was awesome. It would, like, make you think your save got deleted and shit. Like, ah it would troll you. It actually fucked with you? Yeah. Yeah. so so So, like, there's a sanity bar, right, as well as your health and your stamina. um And not only would it do these, like, kind of Metal Gear Solid style, like, it would, like, fuck with you in terms of, like, how the game is working, but then also, like, if your sanity was low, then, like...
01:24:14
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there would be these moments in the gameplay where like, you know, the game would fuck with you or like you shoot somebody, you killed them or something, but they're like, they're still alive for whatever reason you You start losing. There needs be more games that bring that back.
01:24:28
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Right? Like, like to play around with mechanics and that kind of thing. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Something Spec Ops The Line could have done that. Almost did. Hey, great game. yeah It's a great game. It just its presents it in a very, like like, do you want to do the good thing or do you want to use phosphorus and burn all of a civilian? Yeah, and then it doesn't actually give you the option to do the good thing. It's just, you know. Well, you try the good thing and then it ends, like, it's shit either... Well, I think it doesn't let you. like it like it like It's like if you try to do the good thing, everyone keeps spawning, and so then you have to use the white phosphorus. Right. They just force it. Like mechanically, you cannot proceed in that sequence unless you use the white phosphorus. There's no other way.
01:25:14
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And I feel like people were like up in arms because they were like, ah this game is telling me how bad I am, but it's making me do the bad things. But i mean, it's an interesting way to do a modern heart of darkness. set and Yeah, I think it's like I still thought it was a good game. And I feel like the the expectation that it needed to be this choice heavy thing is not realistic for, you know, video game development.
01:25:38
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Like, right. Like there's no way a game at that level could have done that in 2012. Nowadays, it's a different story probably, but like back then. Right.
01:25:48
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well Well, you're also talking about a situation where like when you're making game design, you have to make sure that everybody is funneled into a specific area where at least they feel the same kind of emotion. Right. It's different in terms of like, okay, you know, like everybody's going to come away with this from a different ah impact because of how they played the game. But you still want to like from an artistic standpoint, like in part, like some kind of meaning or. that Yeah. Yeah. And with Spec Ops the Line, I feel like that's a game that's so much a a rebuke of ah what Call Duty is. Like the Call of Duty do you campaign, yeah, which is what makes it refreshing.
01:26:25
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And to have it so it's like, you know, this moment of shock and awe that, you know, would usually be... Tossed aside in a modern warfare game. Yeah, where you're being forced to do a very similar thing, but it's treated like you're a hero. It's a power fantasy instead. Yeah, power fantasy. Like the drone stuff in modern warfare. Yeah, in modern warfare 1. Yeah, exactly. But even worse than that, right? Like those games, like you do that, you walk through the wreckage, then you go to the next mission, right? This game instead is going like this happens and now you have to deal with that, right? And you have to fall out of your actions.
01:26:59
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That itself makes it a better game in yeah overall. the feel Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. It doesn't try to be like, hey, why did you do that mass murder? That was bad. Because like, like ah Last of Us 2 has that, the Highline Miami. I like both of those games. but I enjoyed, i like Last of Us 2. Yeah. You know what game has this?
01:27:20
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What? Kanan Lynch 2. two Yeah. So reminds me of the game. I grew up being like the only person I knew who actually liked those games.
01:27:32
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The second one especially, it visually. The second one is like, in is is is pretty nuts. I feel like anybody who's a fan of Michael Mann movies needs to be. going to say. Miami Vice, the action scenes in that of like how grungy and like fucking like I mean, the first movie, sorry, the first game is literally like referencing my ah collateral is doing collateral, you know, nightclub shootout, you know, and other shootouts, too. And the other other levels as well. I'm just that's a go to when I always think about this, I think I I was
01:28:08
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probably playing that game around when I saw collateral. Oh, right. Cause it was all very like, but you can turn on each other. You can turn each other. And then if you yeah you respond as a cop and you can try to recoup your losses. oh God. I didn't know about that. didn't know you respond as a cop. That's funny.
01:28:26
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So, yeah yeah, it would be very sweaty of like, okay, we're about to get to the X-Trak van. We're going to be very rich. And then you're just like, okay, i think I'm gonna kill everybody right now. I dont want to get their money.
01:28:39
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Yeah, just go full lunch. Yeah, hell yeah. Not David. Yeah. I'm sure you played them, right? I love these third-person shooting games.
01:28:53
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They got bright sunshines and blue skies. All the way. the way. i hope someone showed him Alan Wake 2. It was like, hey, look, someone did the return, but as a video game.
01:29:08
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I haven't played it yet. it was It was fun. I only played till the first ending. I know it's supposed you're supposed to play that game like twice. Yeah. To get the real ending. And I only played it once. Well, see. I had trouble with Alan Wake 1. I got stuck pretty early on in a combat section. I'm bad at console combat.
01:29:27
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and Really bad at console combat. It's like a cool story and like it's like told like a serialized TV show. There'll be like episodes and it'll be like previously on Alan Wake. Like it's it's like overt about the Twin Peaks-iness that it's doing. Yeah, it's ah it's incredibly like meta.
01:29:43
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Yeah, because there's also fake Twilight Zone episodes, too. Like, if you find a TV, there'll be a show called Night Springs or something, and you can watch a ah full episode, which is kind of like five minutes. But it's like... hey now I need think I miss those TVs.
01:29:58
Speaker
miss Night Springs. It's just the gameplay itself is very repetitive. They refine it a lot in two and make the game actually fun. But it's just a lot of... It is... it did feel a little bit of like walk here for this to trigger this and now do that to trigger that. Now you're fighting this and now shoot these people and now do this trigger that. It did feel a little bit of that. Like it did feel gameplay wise very repetitive and maybe a little uninteresting. But the story is fun.
01:30:29
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um It's a fun story and, and you know. ah Yeah, you have to replace the Energizer. So they're just like, Energizer. Video game product placement is funnier than movie product placement. it's Yeah, like Mountain Dew being in a Kojima game is cool. Yeah. Hey, I love Pepsi Man, right? Like, sue me, you know? Like, if you want to play have some fun with the game, play some Pepsi Man on PS1.
01:30:56
Speaker
i've never played Pepsi, man. I've never. you just play as the logo or something? so So it's a Japanese game. I have to say that. So it's like I don't think it was ever actually ah officially put out in America. But it's essentially like an endless runner in the style of like, you know, Temple Run. OK, but you're Pepsi guy.
01:31:14
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So you're you're the Pepsi man. You're literally just made of the Pepsi logo. You're running through the city and you're running towards vending machines. You're picking up the cans as you run along, doing the slides, doing the jumps, all the classic free runner stuff. yeah Anyway, the pit. Do we have any? Oh, yeah. The pit. My own thoughts. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Great show.
01:31:36
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They should. they would That would be a great game. because like you could yeah There are games now that are that that that are doing more like simulation medical gameplay experiences. Here's what it's like to do the job. lot of border sim games.
01:31:51
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A lot of like... checking everyone crossing a border of some sort to see if they're okay it's okay yeah i wanted to quarantine zone one oh oh yeah and then there's another one that's like a medieval themed one that i i i saw a trailer for this just go yeah i played the quarantine zone one it was ah it was okay it was kind of repetitive and kind of just got boring after a while because it's just kind of like a real job is repetitive Yeah, like I wanted it to get more mechanically complex as it went along, and it never really did.
01:32:23
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if they were to make a The Pit video game, I hope it would kind of be like that parody video I've seen from the Bear video game. Oh, God. I don't know if I've seen that, but I have seen other parody video game videos where, you know, ah Focus M, you know, like that that stuff. Oh, the AAA. The cliche dialogue, AAA games.
01:32:43
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but are you saying Are you saying something different? The bear video game one is different because it's kind of like, so it's like, like, first off, it starts off and it's like, so which mode are you choose? going to choose like normal going to choose no pressure? pressure. So, like, everything's always going to tend towards, like, hey, but no pressure, you know? And then, like... And it's got, like, PS2 graphics, right? Yeah, it's got PS2 graphics, and then, like, the main villains are just, like, feral dogs on the street of Chicago. It's just, like, watch out. There's more feral dogs, and they have to, like, stop and fend off them versus anything else. So, like, what would it be for the pay?
01:33:26
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I don't know. The guns on the pit. Oh, God, yeah, the rats. Yeah, yeah the hospital rats. But they're big. yeah they're huge. And they've got health bars. Yeah, yeah.
01:33:37
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And then you got the the boss in the Hawaiian shirt coming in. And if you die, you drop all your benzos, and you have to you can try and get them back, kind of like Dark Souls, like you if you die on the run. And then, of course, you have ah the the analog gameplay for when the ah adjacent hospital gets hacked, and then you need to turn on all the computers. your your Your save states are de depositions. You know, every time you need to save the game, you go to another deposition. Yeah, it's like a loading. Yeah, yeah. You to the elevator and then it saves and loads. Yeah. This is good. It's like, but then in like each different like scenario, each scenario has its own like simulation style. gameplay mechanics where like you have so like and you get like conversations where you have to say the right thing that the patient needs or else you get reprimanded then lose points lose your job yeah or lose your job and then like and then if an emergency is happening you got to do surgery on the spot you got to grab the right materials and do the right exact right things and then make sure they don't lose too much blood or whatever you didn't put saline in the leg you got yeah then she died yeah you know it it's bad just infection you get shit everywhere it's not like trauma center remember those ds games or like from the we or like um or or or uh oh god surgeon simulator that's that too yeah But but there's like multiple solutions because there's like ah there's like you could try the riskier surgery and then maybe that works or you do, you know, kind of like Santos had the one idea of like the more invasive thing this episode. You could do that or you could just like, you know do what Dr. Langdon did.
01:35:20
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Sorry, like if you just saw me do a little reaction there, that had nothing to do with what you were saying. I did a dumb thing with my bowl. I was emptying it. I have a giant... I was emptying this.
01:35:33
Speaker
i have this gigantic ashtray that I love that I i always put like my stuff in But for some reason, my eyes saw this Tupperware, this random piece of Tupperware, and went for that. Incredible.
01:35:49
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I've never done that before. and probably because I rarely, i don't do, know, social hangouts and all that. I'm a little like, you know, i just did the wrong thing. And I just had, I was like, whoa, my God.
01:36:05
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Anyways, anyways, this is an audio your podcast, so you have no idea. The listeners will have no idea what I'm talking about. but what What the listener can't see is that Doug and I are such threatening presences, you know, like like we've been cracking our knuckles this entire time, you know. And I have a Megan Jarrett feel really nervous. Yeah. So like it really makes a lot sense. You should see my crossbows. They're on the other side. God. It's just a bunch of guns and Confederate flag behind. yeah like Yeah. That's weird.
01:36:36
Speaker
more the just Really? yeah so But anyway, yeah, the pit. Great fucking show. the pi I can't wait till Langdon blows fentanyl in ice's face. Or he should just take out a gun. Langdon has a gun and shoots the ice.
01:37:01
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What if Dana has a gun? and She takes he seems like she would. like ah She walks home or something. She's like, it's a tough neighborhood. i mean, maybe she secretly bought one after she got punched in the last season. She was fucking assaulted by a guy named Doug. I forget. I forgot what the guy's name.
01:37:19
Speaker
Doug representation could go either way. he sometimes get a matt johnson and Sometimes you get Sometimes you get Matt Johnson as Doug and sometimes you get and nostalgia critic. Sometimes you get Kevin Spacey's lackey in House of Cards. yeah Right.
01:37:35
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or My favorite character. What? Your favorite character from House of Cards? Oh, right, right, The House from House Cards. Also, no shade, it's not into Doug Walker. I grew up watching Doug Walker videos. No, Jared, no, i'm glad you're digging into that because I did as well. Like, and Doug Walker, you know, unfortunately had a brain vice on me.
01:37:57
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Yeah, yeah, he had one on a lot of people. I was more of a Spoonie fan, truth be told. i't I don't know if I know Spoonie. Oh, no, no, he never made it. Yeah, you he never made it. And and like it literally was such ah such a mind-breaking experience for him. He kind of destroyed his entire contact creation. Oh, no. He just got too much like like And then, like like I don't even know if you want to keep this in the episode, so like if if you need to, Doug, like let me know. but like There's been like a four-hour episode, I think. and Yeah, it has been. Weep, weep, weep. But this is what I'm trying...
01:38:34
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This was on two separate things. We we usually go... Yeah, two separate recordings that have gone over two hours each. Yeah, but we've gone like four hours on one movie. Okay, all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. right, yeah. but But one thing I just got to get out of is but about Spoonie, right? Was that during Trump's first term, there was that like one... ah like crazy, like, uh, deputy, like AG or something. are a few of those. For sure. For sure. But like, like, I think it was like in Phoenix or something, but like one of them was a situation where like a cop killed like an immigrant, like Mexican person. Right. Yeah. And it turned out that that person that was like let go by Trump's AG was Spoonie's brother, like who was a cop.
01:39:20
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So it's like, And and like Spoonie is like super massively anti-Trump. So it was like one of those things where it's like, oh, like the lore of all of it. Like Thanksgiving. Yeah.
01:39:31
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yeah Yeah. It's like one of those like. Wow. ah Just one of those rabbit holes to go down. you think your family Never watched a video. Don't know what he looks like. But I know his whole life story now.
01:39:44
Speaker
Yeah, that's not even it. I could go all day about Smootie. Do a whole other four hours on spending. Hey, if we can get Smootie to come here for four hours. I'm looking at a picture of him. He almost looks like Chris D'Elia and Trevor Moore did a fusion dance.
01:40:01
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yeah He was probably the most talented of any of the channel awesome people. But at the same time, like that's that's like, you know, saying, i don't know, like we've got a damp towels like in a lineup and you're going like, OK, which one's the driest? Right. You're like, well, these are all damp towels. like you What do you want me to say? I might get a l la infection from any of them.
01:40:24
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But at least it's drier. Yeah, exactly. That's foodie for you. it's not It's not all wet. It's just a little digger.
01:40:36
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Hey, you know, like there's there's there's a problem here, but yeah. The pit. Yeah, the pit. Yeah. All right. you want to do predictions? Do you do that? Yeah, yeah. We totally do. For little bit. Yeah.
01:40:48
Speaker
what do you what do you think melancholia style planet enters into orbit and yeah it just turns into like one of those posts it's like what would you do if this happened and it's like the fucking godzilla like um alien it's so funny when i see those i'm like don't know i'd die like crash against the earth or whatever it's like yeah like i don't know what i'd do It just turns into like 9-1-1 where every season gets more and more ridiculous than the last. Or zombie outbreaks. hit It's time to revive. Yeah, there's like a zombie infection that hits the pit, you know. Vampires in the pit.
01:41:27
Speaker
Although it's during the day, so that can't happen. well Night Shift. Night
Speculative Storytelling and Conceptual Praise
01:41:32
Speaker
Shift. So Jack The Night Shift spinoff. Jack Abbott. for Yeah, Jack Abbott's Night Shift spinoff. yep Yep. And it's smart because like vampires are hot right now, you know, because like sinners, right? So like, you know, maybe there's like a musical element to, you know, like like there's a way to do that.
01:41:48
Speaker
ah Yeah, like Santos can sing. So, you know. There you go. There you go. Or they just do a Hadestown episode. of Yeah. Now, how would that be? Like, that's a good episode. That would be. I've never seen Hadestown, but I'm sure it would be. Yeah, I've never seen either. So, like, this would be an accessible way for me to experience it. Yeah. And that's what the pit is all about. Accessibility. Right. And one thing also that I was hoping that would happen on the pit within the season, you know, like I hope that like the final episode, they're doing all their stuff, you know, and then like, you know, Whitaker trips over something, you know, and then like they turn around and there's a hatch, right? They open the hatch. And then it's like lost. Yeah. Yeah. There's like a new wing of the hospital and no one has ever been in. That are mysteries.
01:42:39
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yeah it's all It's all the people they couldn't treat you know who were down there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. there's something they definite wild Or it could be like an us situation. where Collins is there.
01:42:50
Speaker
Yeah, or but it's like everyone below everyone below is like the alternate messed up versus the tethered version of everyone above. Yeah. Happy Robbie. Yeah. And that's a twist. You find out Robbie this whole time is tethered Robbie. It's just like Jordan Peele's Us. Great movie.
01:43:09
Speaker
That was a fun movie. I like that movie. Underrated. Yeah. Highly underrated. For me, that's favorite. People were like, people were upset that like it didn't conform to real life logic.
01:43:20
Speaker
I'm like, that's the best part. But, No, it's conceptually neat. Let it be conceptually neat. Like, if anything, I didn't need them to explain, like, the underground. Like, they're like, oh, it was a government experience. I kind of just like the surrealism of, like, she just sends an escalator and then there's, like, a whole underground. I'm like, she's, like, descending into hell. You know, it's like, yeah.
01:43:44
Speaker
and Yeah, yeah, for sure. think Dr. Robbie is going to die. don What do we think? I don't think so. I think i feel like he will try and there'll be like a dramatic, like everyone pulls the gun away from him at once.
01:43:59
Speaker
it's kind of like the end It's kind of like the end of Thunderbolts when they all embrace him and he wants to die and they're like, no. I think Langdon's going to come in a clutch. I think he's, I think Langdon's going to step up and it's going to be a thing where Robbie accepts his humility. Truthfully, I think it's going that direction.
01:44:16
Speaker
I hope you're right. i hope but I hope they don't kill him off. That would be sad. That would be really sad. It would be kind of... i would have like a level of respect for it because it is ballsy as fuck. I like big swings. so like yeah i love i love big swings too. i get excited by that stuff. Like, when after it happens.
01:44:35
Speaker
And let's be real, right? Like the the cast is so strong that like if yeah we were to lose Noah Wiley, i don't think that we would be like, we we would miss him, but I don't think that we would be like, oh, the show is ruined now. Because there's a bunch of interesting dynamics outside of him. Yeah.
01:44:49
Speaker
yeah And it also too, you like this season really isn't from his perspective the way the first season was. For a season, we were getting flashbacks. We were really inside his head. This season, we don't even go to the bathroom at them.
01:45:01
Speaker
Yeah. The episodes have been shorter, too. Like, we get more 45 minutes. I'm like, yeah what are they doing in those 15 minutes? You know? Jagging it? Jerk it off. Jerk it off. That's what it is taking Taking the worst shits.
01:45:15
Speaker
Because they're so anxious all the time. We should follow them. Let's hear it. Let's see it Come on, HBO. I mean, you already saw the one guy get disimpacted on. so yeah you know yeah don't cower out don't don't be cowards come on we thought we were better than this come on oh well hey it's at least better than vinyl is what I'll say i still haven't watched vinyl I never saw it and I love Bobby Conball I played my dad in a movie one time oh which one movie was that a movie by the name of Angry Neighbors oh that's uh uh
01:45:55
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. okay Yeah, it's on Prime.
01:46:03
Speaker
it's It's a movie. it's a it's I had a good time on that set. I'm still buddies with the director. Oh, damn. Yeah. ah He's a voice. I never met Cheech, but he pleases up be voices a dog. Likely, they wouldn't do it.
01:46:19
Speaker
Yeah, not only that, but it's like Frank Langella's conservative Christian dog. christian Conservative Christian capitalist dog. No, hold on. So did you add opposite Frank Langella?
01:46:33
Speaker
i did, yeah. That's incredible. Okay. he's brief Briefly, but like I did actually get to work with him a little bit. That's incredible. You got a construction hat on the steel? I wish I did, honestly. I wish I did ask him about the box, but I didn't.
01:46:51
Speaker
um so that's a if we If we do the box, would you want to come back? I'm looking for excuse Richard Kelly. actually still need to see the box. I've just been like highly aware of that movie for a really long time because when I was a kid, I'd watch trailers like crazy. yeah i watched the trailer for that movie like a lot. And then I read up on what happened in the movie before I even watched it.
01:47:13
Speaker
So like I know the twists. I know what happens at the end. But I still want to see it because it seems like it'd be a fun time. even i i yeah I like all his movies. Like, yeah, I had fun with Southland Tales. Obviously, Donnie Darko is great.
01:47:29
Speaker
um Would you press the button if you they're like, you get a million, but someone dies? don't think I would. What if they're like guarantee it's not someone you know? it's just like a rando.
01:47:40
Speaker
You're missing an important part here, Doug. Like, frankly, Angela comes in into your room with half a face. Yeah, he looks like the fan of the opera. Like, I have a budget. It's like, did someone press the button for him? Yeah, right.
01:47:55
Speaker
very much It's like that, yeah. Yeah. Unfairly maligned, I guess. Yeah, I don't even think it's maligned. I think it's forgotten. I think it's just remember when it came out, it got a lot of really bad reviews. Like, people were saying it was really bad when it came out. and then i like Yeah, and then it flopped. But now it's been getting a bit of, like, a reappraisal, revisiting, because Richard Kelly in general is being has been, had, like, a bit of, like, a resurgence. I've got a resurgence, but, like, a, you know. A reclamation kind of. Reclamation, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:48:29
Speaker
There's one person we can thank for that, and that's Jane Schoenberg. I think that like literally like I saw the TV glow, ah you know, like those kinds of movies is the reason why Richard Kelly is getting this ah reevaluation he's getting. Those movies would not the way they were, would are without Richard Kelly.
01:48:46
Speaker
Yeah. i I feel like I was saying, oh maybe because but those people who were Richard Kelly fans, I had become more aware of maybe before i saw the TV glow, but then you might be right in that, like that movie kind of blew it up a bit.
01:49:01
Speaker
Their next movie looks great. Teenage sex and death. I can't wait. You got to edit this part.
01:49:12
Speaker
There are other things I can talk about, though. Okay, cool. ah Well, let's let's get to it then. ah Yeah. You have anything to plug, Jared? ah I mean, i would never advise anyone to continue using Twitter, but if you're still on Twitter, you can follow me, I guess, if you're not. Or if you don't want to, that's fine, too. I don't, you know, it's okay. You can do whatever.
01:49:33
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um I got I've done some like short films recently. I did do a micro-budget feature last year. i do not know when it's coming out. I'm slated to do another micro-budget film later this year. ah it's um i don't know if and if you've heard of the movie Alice Hart.
01:49:53
Speaker
It's been making minor waves a little bit in the ah festival scene. It's ah black and white, being compared to like Francis Ha little bit. um The male lead of that film is writing and directing his own feature debut, and he's asked me to act and to lead in it.
01:50:15
Speaker
And so i we've done table reads over Zoom. I'm throwing my hair out for it. Because ah the script and the the final sequence of the script takes place a year later.
01:50:31
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and so we're planning on shooting that first. So I'm going to look like this. yeah And then shave and for the rest of the shoot. So...
01:50:43
Speaker
I wish I had like, I knew when the, cause I've, I, I, I've worked on like a couple of few little short films, but I have no idea when they're coming out. I have no idea. you know, i can't really point, yeah go there and watch it there. It's just like at some point, a short, uh, called before anything happens will come out. And then another short called in pursuit of butterflies will also come out at some point. I am in both of those short films.
01:51:10
Speaker
I did a movie called Five Days at Zublin's Barn Steakhouse. Micro budget. Shot on 16mm film. It takes place and pretty much entirely in one location over the course of like a few years. So it's called Five Days because it takes place over the course of five days over the course of like ah of like three or four years. So each day between is a time skip.
01:51:35
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um And you you're just following like the the people who work at this... this aforementioned barn steakhouse that is kind of like on its last legs, not doing too well.
01:51:47
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and my character is the dish is the resident dishwasher. uh, and so that was, you know, funny. got to just do a lot of dish, do some dishwashing. Nice. had this job real.
01:52:02
Speaker
it's ah It's a grind. I don't know if I could do it, but I made it look like I could. yeah In the sense long-term, constantly you like doing it every every day. as well I'll be the judge of it when I see it. Yeah. like somehow yeah I mean...
01:52:22
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, you can, you can, yeah, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see how accurately I played it. But there are other things, too, like, uh, there's a spoiler alert, a robbery gone wrong, where the robber gets his leg shot out, and then I have to dress the wound, o that which is fun. I had to do, uh, made, made a little...
01:52:42
Speaker
yeah And this is totally inaccurate, probably, but, like, I i took her off my belt and used that as a turnic kit. But I don't know if you could really do that. I feel like you need, like, something tighter than that. They do it in movies, so that's, so you know, really logical. Yeah. Shorthand. ah Yeah, and so, you know.
01:52:59
Speaker
um But it all sounds rad. Yeah, was a fun shoot. and The lead actor, ah he's like a set guy. He worked on like ah um carpentry. Like he was building, he helped like ah break down sets and build them up. And he worked on like...
01:53:21
Speaker
on um He worked on like Sopranos and some other really cool shit. um But he hadn't like acted a whole lot. So it was like, or he hadn't acted in a long time. So he was kind of coming back to it. ah So was kind of, it was fun just hearing stories from from him during, you know, his whole life and all that. And getting to meet all the other cast members and and stuff. Yeah, it was fun shoot.
01:53:49
Speaker
Three weeks and ah in a Red Lobster. that we turned into the Barnes Steakhouse. Well, that's the thing with any shoot, right? You learn so much about life, not even just through like the character you have to play, but through all these experiences. that Oh, yeah but it's ah yeah. You meet people. You talk with people. Oh, yeah. And then the thing, too, is like ah the the DP and the... I think it was the DP and the gaffer ah had both been crew members on A Different Man. Oh, yeah. Love that movie, which was, like, my favorite movie of the year when it came out. Like, I was like i was raving about that. That's what Sebastian Stan should have nominated for. Yeah.
01:54:31
Speaker
I mean, i thought he was good as Trump, too. But, like... He did a great performance. Different Man was, like, a different... was on his own, like, league. Yeah. I thought. For sure. But, uh... um But so then I was like, during that shoot, I was just like trying not to grill the DP about working on a different man because I was just like, you know, excited to hear all the set stories and stuff.
01:54:55
Speaker
Apparently, when they shot the the scene where he takes off his face, that they shot that as like a 13-minute one-er. who And apparently, Sebastian Stan was just going fucking crazy the whole time. it was like some of the most unhinged acting they'd ever seen.
01:55:13
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Wow. In person. i It's one of those things. I hope they. I hope. Yeah. I hope they release. Like a. You know. Footage of that. The way they. They did. Of the. The 15 minute. Improv. And friendship.
01:55:25
Speaker
Yeah. With Hunter O'Malley. You know. Like. I love that they actually. just Just released the whole thing. Like that was. That was ah awesome. That they did that. the i love seeing In the scene, you can tell of like, like these guys. Yeah, they were like, there was more happening. They cut around. ah But yeah, and then of course, everything that was happening was fucking gold.
01:55:46
Speaker
Gen pop in Arkham Asylum. That's a good bit. Although I do feel like that is kind of like a truth about most improv comedy sets or most like, you know, like there was a big wave in the 2010s or 2000s with like improv comedies like Judd Apatow and all that shit. like Yeah. Like,
01:56:06
Speaker
like i' I remember like working on sets with crew members who had worked on those movies and hearing that like those sets, a lot of them were some of the funniest sets they'd ever worked because it was just like nonstop improv and the actors just like you know going back and forth and then like you know riffing and stuff and then by the time the edit happens all the best stuff gets cut and it's all the worst material that that that gets put in the movie or whatever yeah you know the stuff that tests the way it works It's kind of just, like, fascinating because it's, like, a kind of wish, like, people would release, like, footage of that, of, like, original improvs or whatever. You get more of a sense of, like, what, you know, the material was that then got shaped and so what became, you know? Yeah.
01:56:54
Speaker
Or bring back credits where you see, like, not if not... Oh, bloopers and credits. like Yeah. Non-comedy movies should do that. I should be seeing them break for, like... When was the last non-comedy that did that? I don't know. don't know.
01:57:10
Speaker
Like, Marty Supreme should have scenes in the credits. Yeah, that would have been fun. Marty Supreme and credits. Like, when Paul's row just, like, guessing upper lines every once in a while. Yeah. Kevin O'Leary fucking cracking or whatever. With a paddle on his hand ready to slap Timmy in the ass. Maybe then they would win Best Picture. Maybe then.
01:57:32
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Maybe. Imagine if Kevin O'Leary made those comments about ballet and opera. but what would known have well No one would have cared. People would have just not given a shit. I mean, it's proved that Tim is the star, the fact that this has lasted like two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny because, like, my, i feel like for in my personal life, my people, I, you know, my parents, my godparents are huge ballet and opera people, so they were offended at all. Yeah. Yeah, that activated them, you know? like Yeah, it totally activated them. So it was like having to navigate Twitter and seeing all the people being like, oh, those people who are upset are all posers or they're all fake. And I'm like, no, they're there are people who are legitimately upset. And I'm like, that yeah it's like I can kind of see the at both sides, but also it's like calm down, people calm down. he wasn't It wasn't that bad. There are worse things to say and do and defend. And, and you know, it's just like,
01:58:31
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Obviously, you wish was saying more positive things about bal ballet and opera. Obviously, you would like to see someone speaking positively about ah an art form. But also, he wasn't really, but he wasn't saying that they were bad.
01:58:45
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they were just He was just saying that no one goes to see them. He was saying that they're being supported by rich patrons that almost seem to do it out of obligation. And he's afraid that that will happen to Phil. Like, like it's like true that that's what those are like sustaining. But I guess I guess the thing that happened was that the people who are legitimate fans who who don't realize their paid their their privilege or their whatever felt like victims because they felt like they were getting, like, ah ah disregarded or you know, dis ah getting dissed, you know? Yeah. Getting put down or whatever, but it's... ah weish Hey, look, i have i have family ah family members that I love who love ballet and opera, and I do not at all treat them differently because they love ballet and opera. No, no, no, no, no. I see them the exact same way. No different. I think we all just miss Carla, Sophia, Gascon. Yeah, like she was legitimately like that was legitimately bad. Like whatever. i She was like defending Hitler. She had like old tiny racism. Yeah. Like like like so like things he hadn't heard from like your grandparents. Yeah.
02:00:06
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I hope that Conan comes out and is like, okay, and here's all the material I wanted to do last year. You know, like, that would be he sticks the landing with this one this year.
02:00:19
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Hey, he's he's he's perfect. I love Conan. I think he's going to do great, you know? But yeah I think it's the Muppets time. I think i think it's time that we let the Muppets take over. Give them a shot, you know?
02:00:30
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Why was he picturing, why did he like do a photo op with Benjamin Netanyahu? Was that a part of the Conan Goes a Abroad show? No. so So before he did that show, he did that for like the late night show. Yeah. There there was an episode he did where he went to Israel and Palestine. in The middle yeah only democracy. and Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's also like the added layer where it's like there's many bits with like Gal Gadot, right? Like think about that for a second, right? So ah then calla he goes to Palestine, right? And um A, when he goes to Palestine, he's being escorted by IDF soldiers, right? Of course. Yeah, that's how it always works Yeah. and and then then the next thing is that like
02:01:16
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ah there are many sequences in the palestine section where like palestinians will stop him in the street and will have debates with him and like there there is a difference between like the version that erons the show and what he decided to upload online after the fact and and ah and and like their extended conversations right like there's it's a difference between like a conversation between like 10 minutes and like 20 minutes yeah yeah and the common theme i'll say specifically if we're talking about evaluating conan's performance is that a you can see that he's trying to play empathetic you can see that he's trying to listen to these people but like earnestly that being said uh he is there with the idf yeah he's there like
02:02:00
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under this pretense where it's a lopsided view either way. So like, he can't be a like a Bourdain. He can't be somebody who's looking at these people for their humanity. Instead, he's trying to go in there and like learn about their culture. Like, like Conan is coming at this in like more in a comedy way. Exactly. Right. yeah And, and, and there, there's a, there's a rough, like, Like essentially any rough ah edges have to be sanded out at that point. Yeah, yeah. And and and ah a special like that was kind of like the perfect encapsulation of why he wouldn't do that on his travel show now, right? Like he he lacks the chutzpah to like put his flag in the ground and be like, this is what's right and what's wrong. Because back then he certainly didn't.
02:02:48
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Yeah. Sorry to rant about that, guys. No, no, no. I'm glad to hear the explanation because ah this is on honest questions that I had because I saw the image and I just was like, I don't want to know more because I like Conan so much I don't want I just see the pictures of him with the soldiers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But I mean, at the very least, at the very least, with Spielberg, he made Munich.
02:03:15
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Right. Exactly. Right. like like People contain multitudes, right? Yeah. That is true. The heart can speak for itself. Because also, too, I think ti the Tony Kushner is much more pro-Palestinian, I think, and that cedes into the script. Sure.
02:03:30
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ah kind of like But even still, the fact that he still directed it, he didn't try and change any of that. He respected it. Like how he didn't take out any of the Sammy Fableman is bisexual stuff in the Fablemans because he's like he was like, this is actually additive to the story. We we saw this. Yeah, he could have easily, he could also could have very easily not portrayed his mom the way that he did. he could have made it not look He could have made it a movie about how he doesn't want to fuck his mom, but instead. Yeah. poopy
02:04:02
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He also could have not given himself a fake Christian girlfriend. I love that. was rad i That was great. I love that. I love the classmate coming out and be like, yeah, it was bullshit. Yeah. Fuck that classmate. Fucking narc. You know, like that's what I said about them. um if I make up a girlfriend, you guys got to fucking keep mouth shut.
02:04:23
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Come on. on. We're all fucking 75 years old. You know, like you couldn't have taken that to your grave. You know, you had to be the asshole to come out and say that I didn't get that. You know, it was a great performance, too. is Come on. Yeah. Come on. Jeez. Yeah. I mean, hey, maybe there was a girl at the school who was like that. She just wasn't his girlfriend.
02:04:44
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And he had fantasies about her, so he couldn't actually do that. yeah, yeah. yeah So I don't care if Steven Spielberg does a Western or not. Like, I just have the... I'd love him yeah I think you should just do a shot-for-shot remake of Kevin Smith's Clerks.
02:05:00
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I think that Steven Spielberg should try to his hand at it. You know, why not? and so accept and Except it's all one-er. Yes. Shot for shot, but one-er style. Yeah, Hyminsky is still, like, involved. You know, like, it's yeah beautifully shot. It has the Minority Report color palette.
02:05:17
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Oh, that'd be wonderful. That'd be wonderful. Let's bring it back, you know? You got some, like, really beautiful, like, track like like ah ah shots where it's, like, panning over the aisles and you're getting, like, really beauty, like, beautifully lit, like, you know, snack bags and, and like, candy bars and, and like, i don't know, whatever you get at, like, the fucking Quickie Mart. Yeah. Quick stuff.
02:05:41
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and And Josh Gad as Randall is talking about like different types of blowjobs the entire time, you know. nights with tom cru Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't supposed to be here today, you know. like Been thirty seven it's thirty seventy forty but he he does he does like one of those
02:06:06
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47 dicks. 47 dicks. You tell me you suck. 47 dicks. that's our hillaryy And it's Cameron Diaz. Cameron Diaz is his girl. Yeah. Yeah. She's like that mad thumb. Who's the old guy in the bathroom?
02:06:19
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Brian Cox. Why not? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah yeah ah it It would be Judd Hirsch. Yeah, that's perfect. If we're thinking Spielberg. um man I'm thinking, you know. Brian Cox would be be great.
02:06:31
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Yeah. Does Spielberg work with the Cox? Has he gotten his Cox out? I'm not sure. Was he in the Wall Street Journal movie? Or no, well Washington Post. The Post. Not Wall Street Journal. Why did say Wall Street Journal? I'm not sure if he's in it. I'm not sure if he's in it, but bach Bob Odenkirk and David Cross are in that movie. ah How did I not know that? Mr. Show. Yeah. Yeah. I never, and that's the one of the ones I missed. I haven't, still haven't seen the post. Yeah, but is the, is the Mr. Show guy who's at January 6th, is he in it
02:07:06
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Yeah. The Mr. Everest himself. I'm not familiar with this person. I'm still torn up about Ariel Pink, you know? like Yeah. like I grew up listening to Ariel Pink, so it was like a little awkward. I haven't listened to his song his in a long time. Yeah, same deal. It's like as soon as all that stuff came out, I was like, goodbye. And like, often I have lines. I have lines. So like, I still like, I'll listen to Radiohead.
02:07:35
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Yeah. Of course. You know, at least they can like. Radiohead is still a great album. Like, like, like, at least I don't, I do not believe that Tom York has ever defended Netanyahu, at least. I'm pretty sure he's not.
02:07:52
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He's just like... He's just never... getting like He's just never... He's just said things ah along the lines of his real has the right to exist, has the right to defend itself or whatever.
02:08:02
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But then I think he's also... said that like he doesn't like netanyahu i think and this could be wishful this could be wishful thinking on my part because i don't have a clear memory but i i just have like a i feel like i thought i feel like that happened i think it happened but so he's not bernie sanders level is yeah exactly it is um probably a little worse but but but you know Because like maybe Bernie would maybe not perform in Israel, but I think Radiohead, they were going to perform in Israel. And that was like kind of what started the whole controversy.
02:08:38
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Right. but I mean, fuck. I love one battle after another and Leo DiCaprio erecting a hotel in Israel for some ungodly reason.
02:08:49
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i just want to see Bernie Sanders do Reckoner. You know, I just want to see him get up on stage and do Reckoner. I think he's got it in him. Get a few drinks in him to karaoke. Come on. I bet he's funny.
02:09:03
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They're all like 1950s, like, you know, big band stuff. Because i like that's when he was a child. like Or it's all like folksy stuff. What if it's Rage Against the Machine?
02:09:14
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Yeah. Killing in the name of... please One of those. Those who burn crosses are the ones that join force. Yeah.
02:09:25
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He's got the opportunity to do the funniest thing possible. I hate to do this, but we should probably round this out. because Okay. Tony, do you have any plugs? Oh, yeah. Wait, sorry. We got distracted from the plugs.
02:09:36
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It's all good. That's how we do Yeah. On sort of small radio, as Doug mentioned earlier, you can usually find us over there. We're going to be covering the Children of the Corn films very soon. whole hundred of them.
02:09:48
Speaker
Yeah, all 12 of them, you know, not exaggeration. That is how many there are. so we're going to be. Yeah, we're we're excited. You know, can't wait. Yeah. sounds Charlie's Theron's in the third one. So can't wait for that. um And I believe that's also the one where they go to the hood. um And then. Yeah.
02:10:13
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You can also find me on Two Cent Critics. I i just did an episode on Shoot'em Up. I think the next episode we're going to be doing an episode on Better Man. i'm so excited for that. Both on movies. Yeah. Exactly. um And then ah I'll be coming on to Seeing Faces in Movies. That's a podcast my friend Felicia hosts that she's coming back to. going to discussing the films of Fritz Lang. Very excited about that. um Then ah I'll also be doing the interview with Larry Fezzenden in April.
02:10:46
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ah So that will be ah on in Films We Trust after we did the whole retrospective over there. Also take a look over on that feed because there's always great episodes happening there. um And yeah, that'll be it for my plugs beyond, you know, my Twitter presence at poor old Rollo Tony.
02:11:03
Speaker
Yeah. And also, yeah, if you still have ah Twitter brain worms, you follow me at the Doug Files. And like Tony mentioned, we both are regular guests on Unsourced Wall Radio.
02:11:17
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And yeah, just stay tuned to this feed. We're, you know, we wrapped up Matt Johnson, but we're going to be covering a lot, lots of good stuff soon and continuing our our weekly pit coverage. So, yeah. the ah you're You're wrapped up with Matt Johnson until Tony comes out.
02:11:33
Speaker
Yeah. Exactly. and And Magic the Gathering, whenever that comes up. And the Magic the Gathering movie. That'll be exciting. And in the meantime, that means we can start talking about the thing that matters most, which is the films of Jay Baruchel. Next we're going to get started with The Sorcerer's Apprentice. Oh, my God. I'm just kidding. We'll see what we do next. We might be kidding. We might not be. Stay tuned. I would love to talk about Sorcerers of Predators. Well, I mean, it would give you a great opportunity to talk about Goon. Hey, I'm always down. And Doug's never seen Goon. There's bonus episodes of Man Seeking. We watch all three seasons. Yeah. Can't wait.
02:12:15
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So you'd think there would be more hyper-violent hockey movies out there. guess I kind of are. So on that note, right? So it's really funny you say that. So ah there were ah two other violent hockey movies that were trying to be made at the same time as Goon.
02:12:32
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ah There was one by Kevin Smith. Kevin Smith, one of his dream passion projects was a violent hockey movie in the style of Goon. And it was trying to be made at the same time and Goon beat him to the punch and he had to cancel the film. And the other person who wanted to do it was Rob Zombie.
02:12:48
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Rob Zombie wanted to do a violent movie. Rob Zombie Hockey. And it's also kind of weirdly a remake of Firewalk with me. You're like, hey, they worked that in.
02:13:00
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It's in the red room. It's the red rank. Oh.
02:13:19
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Lost.