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The Pitt Season 2 Episode 7
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Doug's Confusion Over Jack Abbott's Actions
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Doug, who are you fist fighting right now? Who am I fist fighting? The world. No, i was I was just responding to, love of course, like I feel like if you just make any post about the pit right now, it it it can blow up.
00:00:56
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ah And it was just me. commenting on ah Jack Abbott's selflessness and someone was like, well, actually, i think you missed that he's paying for the patient's medication, not the transportation of it. But I was like, Samira already had the meds ready to go. She was just going to hand them to the patient. Like, I think... Yes, if for a continued treatment of like what he would need, someone would have to pay for it. But they were talking specifically about getting that bag she had ready to go to him. And that's where that it was like, yeah, I'll pay for it.
00:01:31
Speaker
I made a post earlier today where I said something along the lines of like, it's been three or four episodes and they finally got the deaf woman, a piece of paper, you know, and a pen.
00:01:41
Speaker
And like, now I've got people who are like deaf person here. ah what you're saying is like the different, like essentially asking an Italian person to speak French. And I'm like, you know what?
00:01:53
Speaker
Asshole. Like, They've been waiting there for that long. Why not try the piece of paper? You know, like, right. The tech is working, isn't working. The fucking translator is super late. Like, you're going to just keep delaying this woman's care. There could be something like really wrong. Like, to and indeed like, you have to treat her.
00:02:16
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o I don't care if I'm speaking to a deaf person right
Debate on Deaf Character Representation
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Speaker
now. And in a matter of fact, matter of fact, I'm getting into conversations with people who are going like, oh, well, not all deaf people can speak English, you know, and they're a deaf person speaking to me in Twitter in English. Like, like, what am I supposed to say to that? You know, like it puts me in a position where I'm like, you know,
00:02:39
Speaker
Like what, ah like I get like you were proving my point right now. We're like a lot of people with aid like who speak sign language, you know, I forget the exact is the asl ASL. Exactly. ASL. A lot of people with ASL have at least a fourth grade English comprehension level, right?
00:02:57
Speaker
Fourth grade is enough to give you the basics of at least like I want to speak to blank. you know Because it's American Sign Language, so it's specifically its reference point is American English.
00:03:09
Speaker
Exactly. So, like like, there's something that's been going around with this fandom recently where not only have they been like, you know, oh you know, we got to look for, like, the arguments to get into, right? But then there's also been, like, this whole, like, treating the doctors with this, like, newfound, like,
00:03:29
Speaker
Kitty gloves, which has been really gross. Like it's been robbing the characters of their agency just through the way that the audience has been talking about them and stuff. We're getting into the pit. Before we get into the pit too much, I did want to say one thing about Nirvana, the man the show. And you can take this and you can edit it back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right?
00:03:46
Speaker
Um, if there is one movie that the Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie reminds me of the most, it is the Muppets movie, the original Muppets movie. And it's because that same movie was framed around, you know, it wasn't just, you know, the first Muppets thing because the show has already been on, right? Right. The the movie was framed around it being like their first thing.
00:04:09
Speaker
And it was this road thing. And it was about, a lot of the negatives of the Muppet show. It wasn't about the positives. It was about like all of the rough things that they had to kind of get beyond to put on the show. And I think that Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie is in very similar respects, that same kind of thing.
00:04:27
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That's all I wanted
Nirvana vs Muppets Movie Comparison
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to say about it. So you're saying Matt Johnson and Jason Segel should work together on another Muppet movie. And I want to put them beside each other. i want to see who's taller.
00:04:40
Speaker
You get them and the one Concord who isn't Jermaine, Brett. I forgot his name for a second. Not Taika. Yeah, let's keep him far away from the heat. yeah i I'm dowsing myself with gasoline if he goes near the Stay away from her. Get a job.
00:05:02
Speaker
Oi, so my Muppets, ah they say fuck. They're a little bit different. Yeah. ah Some of them might be a little eccentric.
00:05:16
Speaker
How gay are your Muppets? So So gay.
00:05:24
Speaker
I love referencing that, by the way. Like, that's one of my favorite things. I mean, I love when creatives just lie, but also it's funnier because of how annoying Taika's whole thing had become at that point. so like what But that was Natalie Portman, by the way. like That was her. at the that yeah No, it was her, but it was...
00:05:43
Speaker
It was like he he was infecting her. and Not that Natalie Portman. Yeah. she She can bullshit on her own. Like, it's not like she needs his help, but she was doing it in Avera because they were on, they were both on stage together. So
Chris Pratt's Public Perception
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it was.
00:05:56
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Hey, she's Israeli. She said to thread that needle her whole career, you know? Yeah.
00:06:04
Speaker
Yeah. The P. Did you listen to any of the P.I.T. episodes I upload? Because I went nuts with like just putting clips in, but then also the remix. Oh, no, I haven't yet. The remix I did is I'm pretty proud of it. I might be one of my favorite ones. Oh, I can't wait.
00:06:22
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it's It's got like that end credits theme, which apparently is called Falling Forward. I didn't know that. And then I have the Chris Pratt vocals from Parks and Rec. The pit. We fell in the pit. We fell in the pit.
00:06:41
Speaker
We all fell in the pit. Back when Chris Pratt was charming, he should regain the weight. Maybe I'll forget about the Christian thing.
00:06:52
Speaker
And get back with Anna Faris. yeah That was your soulmate. You know, like, come on. Why are you with a Schwarzenegger? That makes no sense. Yeah, it's weird that he's with Arnold. Yeah, right? Feels like I'm coming all the time.
00:07:07
Speaker
i don't know why I did it like Bela Lugosi. Sex with Bela Lugosi sounds less scary than sex with Arnold. In all respect to Arnold, I'm just saying, like, that's a lot of guy. <unk>s like There's a lot there.
00:07:20
Speaker
The worst thing you have to worry about with Bela Lugosi is, ah you know, blood contamination, right? Like, thank God he wasn't alive during like the late 80s, early 90s. Oh, game over, you know? yeah over for Bela.
00:07:32
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Yeah, yeah. just I have to say that's one my favorite riffs I've ever done on a podcast. Bela Lugosi dying of. We're getting kind of Matt Johnson-y with our humor.
00:07:45
Speaker
were We're doing it. Well, hey, actually, ah you know, this can be another edit out of the podcast or not. ah But when I go to the pop up tomorrow, do you want me to like take pictures of what's there? And if there's anything good, do you want to send you?
00:07:59
Speaker
Like, I think that a lot of the stuff that's on the neon store right now, I imagine that that stuff's going to be there. So feel free to like look through that. If there's anything that sticks out to you, shoot me a text, let me know. I'm already doing that for a couple people. So like, just let me know.
00:08:13
Speaker
Oh, word. Okay. Yeah. i'll I'll take a look. That's, yeah. It's really cool that, like, I just, because Neon's not just throwing it out there. Like like we said before, they're, like, putting it out and they're, like, they're propping it up and, like, what, you know, like, don't know. It's cool.
00:08:32
Speaker
They're backing Canadian cinema. Neon is doing a better job backing Canadian cinema than most of the people who make Canadian cinema here.
Speculation on Anthony Bourdain Biopic
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Although apparently that a Bourdain movie is going to be A24. Of course. that's interesting. and I forgot that it's just named Tony.
00:08:50
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Like, I feel like that's going to be, like, I feel like that's going to really, like, blow up. I feel like that's going to be something that, like, is really going to just shock people. and Not shock people in, like, you know, a shocking way, but I think that it's... it's it's I think it's going to be like ah ah the kind of biopic that people are like want but don't know they want, right? Because people are assuming that biopics are bad now. I feel like I see that that sentiment often anytime there's a new trailer. i'm like, well, no, there's a lot of lazy ones. But then also...
00:09:19
Speaker
People also have this, there's like this CinemaSins mentality of like, well, it has tropes, so it's bad. I'm like, ding oh, yeah okay. But yeah, Baz Luhrmann's Elvis has all the tropes, but guess what? It's the most edited movie of all whole time. It is fucking crazy.
00:09:37
Speaker
Baz Luhrmann's Elvis is the best Baz Luhrmann movie, like for sure. You know, yeah it's just balls to the wall. Like, and I'm curious of like, Is it because it was like a team of like three editors. I wonder if he's going to because there was a trailer before Nirvana, the band, the movie of like this is like his Vegas residency of ah lost footage. I'm like, get the editors from the Elvis movie. Do it.
00:10:01
Speaker
I guess we're still in Nirvana territory a bit here, but I will say that for Canadian cinemas, our our major brand is Cineplex. And I watched this movie in a Cineplex and they did a fucking pre-show thing for Cineplex. Like that's how big Nirvana is here now where that,
00:10:20
Speaker
little advertisement is going to be playing nationwide. Like they are going to become like a new Bob and Doug McKenzie. They're going to become a new corner gas. They're going to be, I think they're going to be bigger than that. I mean, how many those, are two how many of those guys have been on, uh, Stavros's podcast, you know?
00:10:40
Speaker
ah Hey, it like trailer park boys, at least one of them has a sexual assault charge. Right. So it's like Matt Johnson, Jake McCarroll, none of them have one. So like they're already winning. Yeah. Keep it up, guys. Keep the good work. Yeah. Keep, keep not raping. Yeah. Yeah. Keep it up. but keep Keep it up, but in a different direction, you know, like, like actually keep it down.
Robbie's Internal Struggles and TV Comparisons
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Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Keep it up, but in your waistband. Yeah. So anyway, the pit, smooth transition. We fell in the pit.
00:11:14
Speaker
fell the pit. Dr. Langdon, you need to take as many drugs as possible. I feel like there's there's a lot of takeaways could have from this episode, but it's not that he's lost his groove. It's just that they the conversation with Robbie really like shook him and threw him off.
00:11:35
Speaker
You know what would help his confidence? Some drugs. More drugs. drugs. Get him. Get
00:11:45
Speaker
I mean, we already we already sayings we already said he's such a compelling, great character. There's something about me that loves, like, like and it's usually at HBO shows. There's, like, the at addicts that can never just, like, get a, like, they just keep slipping.
00:12:00
Speaker
Like, whether it's Christopher in Sopranos or Kendall in Secession, they're just, like, kind of loser. Langdon's not a loser, but like the fact that like, Oh, he's a loser. Langdon's a loser. 100%. He has, he has a dog. Okay. And a wife, his wife who stayed with him and, and Hey, good for him. You know, like that's true love, you know, but, but at the same time, um I feel like this ah Randy – sorry, this Robbie and Langdon confrontation is like the biggest like story moment in the whole episode. I mean, it's been building since last season.
00:12:41
Speaker
For sure. And we'll get into the rest of the episode very soon, which – i I would describe as a very feminine, a very like
Doctors' Emotional Conflicts Explored
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supporting character heavy one. And and when I say feminine, I mean like we focus very heavily on all of the supporting cast who are women, right? And ah with this moment that we get with Langdon and Robbie, it's something that we've been building towards this entire season and yet it's tossed aside. And I think that that speaks to what the season is, which like we, you and I, we've been waiting for like a big moment, like a big shoe to drop, right? And we kind of get that at the end of this episode with a different moment.
00:13:18
Speaker
But at the same time, i don't feel as though the show ramping towards the same kind of climax that the first show had, the first season had. Instead, it's far more about the internal conflict. It's much more about the things that are holding these doctors back between shifts. Yeah. Which is kind of more compelling to me because it's like perfect as season one is and like intense is the best thing. yeah Like I don't need them to go that big. Like it is. I mean, yeah, like we'll talk about a cyber attack could potentially be. i mean.
00:13:50
Speaker
max Max Brooks has been telling us for for years that the next 9-11, it's not going to be with a plane. It's going to be with a hacked car or something. I don't know. Back when I was dating someone who used to watch Bill Maher, he came on and he was like trying to warn people about cyber terrorists. He was like, I'm a serious, guys. I wrote the zombie survival guide. I know. I know about stuff.
00:14:13
Speaker
a New rule. You have to watch out for the Russian spies. They're coming after you. is That's my Bill Maher, by the way. All you need to do ah to do a Bill Maher impression is to like dial down a Snagglepuss impression. Have you ever heard any of the times Paul Rust went on
Podcast Influences: Comedy Bang Bang
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Speaker
Comedy Bang Bang and he does a segment called New No-No's?
00:14:35
Speaker
and Yeah. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What you're talking about right now is, like, ah early podcasting. Like, i used to like, when I, because, like, that was Comedy Bang Bang back in, like, what, 2010, 2000? Like, kind of around the time that the the TV, the IFC show was, like, on also, because he also did that bit on on the TV show. But he he's he's brought it back in some recent appearance.
00:14:57
Speaker
ah But, like, yeah, like, it's it's good. Yeah. It's amazing. Like, like i haven't listened to the archives of comedy bang, bang, but like my idea of podcast comes from that, you know, like it comes from that it comes from like the slash film cast. It comes from now playing. It comes from like, you know, like ah how did this get made? You know, like those are the OGs, right? Spill.com.
00:15:22
Speaker
Right. Like the, like and and when I think about bits like that, that's like the, the way that you podcast, that's how it's done. You know? Yeah. You just say, start the clock. And then you start fucking crucifying Bill Maher.
00:15:40
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly.
00:15:44
Speaker
Oh, I'm maybe I'm going to put in in dust the theme song when I say start the clock. Start the clock.
00:15:54
Speaker
Oh, man, Scott Ackerman, come on the pod. Oh, my God. That's that's that'd be incredible. I mean, because like Scott hasn't seen is legitimately interesting because like you get more, you know, he drops the facade a little bit and is not just like, you know, trying to riff and we like give you a little bit of insider baseball industry talk. But then his actual opinions on stuff is interesting, even like when I disagree with him. But I'm like, OK, like, yeah, who who else is out here shooting for um fucking a train spotting to like, that's cool.
00:16:28
Speaker
Although they always make the joke of when they went on blank check to do train spotting to. The Reddit complained because the co-host of Scott hasn't seen. It's really, ah it's a character. It's like the comedian Sean Dyson is pretending to be the super producer manager named Spray. And so whenever they have Gryffindor David on after that, they're like, will you admit that your fandom is the worst ever? Well, that...
00:16:53
Speaker
True. You know, I will say that about the blank check pod. And I'm i'm a blankie, but I don't fucking go on the Reddit. I don't even, I don't even tell people I'm a fan of blank check anymore. Like that, that's how bad it has gotten. It is almost Rick and Morty levels where it's like the blank check fandom is so bad.
00:17:09
Speaker
Um, but with, uh, Scott Ackerman, like what I will say is that that his appearance on the something wild, uh, episode Yeah. That's probably one of my favorite Blank Check podcasts. Like, he he is perfect for that movie. He understands Jonathan Demme very well. And obviously, that's a perfect Blank Check movie. And it's also one of Jonathan Demme's best. So, like, it's hard for me not to love that episode specifically.
00:17:35
Speaker
Yeah, Scott, come on. We'll talk about something you have seen. you're Like, you're probably tired of watching all these things you haven't seen. Like, what's let's do a Scott has seen. Exactly. Come on. come Come on and tell us about Rush Hour 2.
00:17:50
Speaker
No, let's do let's talk about Shark Tale. I want to know more about what was oh who was going on there. Yeah, a movie that I will always remember from my childhood in the DVD player. That was one of those ones that just existed and was always in there, even if I hated it I want to know what he thinks about Marty coming back to acting, you know, doing voice acting. Cause I don't, I don't know if he's done a voice role since shark tales and, and that probably, it probably was a blow to him and now he can finally play, uh,
00:18:23
Speaker
alien number eight. don't know. He's got some arms or something in the Mandolin, the Mandolinian in group Grogu. The Mandalore and Grogus.
00:18:34
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goodbye ah Talk about silent theaters. There's no reaction whenever that trailer
Cultural Shift: Star Wars vs Dune
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plays. i was like, he's going to bomb. It's crazy how dead Star Wars. it It's like
00:18:46
Speaker
It's weird to live in the reality where Dune is infinitely more culturally relevant. Like, yeah, I, and I'm not saying that that's all like undeserved or anything. I'm just saying it's like, did Star Wars is supposed to be the more accessible populist thing. And then that's like, no, they, they blew Disney. Fuck that so fast.
00:19:04
Speaker
Star Wars is going to bomb, right? And Avengers Doomsday is going to like do well. I don't know if it's cracking a bill. Like the the thing that's going to happen with Doomsday is that any kind of major success that it has is going to be like inflated.
00:19:22
Speaker
You know, it's going to be like, I'd almost say like, rigged You know, like they're they're they're going to make sure that it at least makes us money back. Right. But I do not feel any kind of an organic engagement for that kind of thing. The superhero, specifically MCU fatigue, is a real thing. And also they've kind of lost China, like even the ones that have been released there.
00:19:45
Speaker
aren't doing shit the fact that they never had a version of Shang-Chi like why did you make I'm not saying that that movie has no value if it's not just for Chinese always but like from a from a the cold business standpoint you make a movie Shang-Chi you should have it open in China of like like I don't know maybe I'm crazy yeah Sumi-Lude did all of that and for what?
00:20:10
Speaker
Right? like like Right. He got stabbed in a bathroom and for what? You know, like he didn't let him do anything. He might not even be Doomsday. I'm like, you guys forgot about him. Or they didn't forget. They just looked at the, like, yeah, really stings out having that China money.
00:20:29
Speaker
Doug, I'll take your word for it. I'm never going to see Avengers Doomsday. And you know what? One second. This is a great podcast. Don't you want to see Chris Evans with ah a baby? And Thor also has a child.
00:20:45
Speaker
Do you know what this is? Children now. i don't know. It's got some kind Cronenberg thing inside it. This right here is the limited edition Blu-ray ah pack that includes all of the first phase one Marvel movies.
00:21:03
Speaker
So cool. All of them are on Blu-ray. Right. Hold on. Hold on. That's blowing. Right. hold on and we're going to open it up and there's a lot of dust on this right now. So it's really hard for me to open it ah because I never open it. Oh, look at that.
00:21:18
Speaker
It's glowing. And, and when you take them out, Oh, look all these blue rays. Right. And and here's the thing, like back when Marvel was like, you know, starting out, right. This idea that you were getting kind of scrappier filmmakers, you know, cooler actors, you know, to make these things that, you know, used to be relegated to nerd them. That was cool.
00:21:41
Speaker
You had Kenneth Branagh making a Thor movie, and I'm not saying that's a perfect movie, right but that's pretty fucking cool. Yeah. I'm ashamed to own this now, Doug. I'm ashamed to have that in my, ah you know, ah collection of movies that I own. I'll take it. I still stand by most of phase one, min minus Iron Man 2. But like even that has Sam Rockwell, which for a few scenes, even in a shit movie, he can show up, start tap dancing. I'm like, whoa, we're having a great time. i don't even think that that thing Guardians of the Galaxy, which like, you know, in my books, that's like the only Marvel movie I want to rewatch on a regular basis. Like Guardians the Galaxy is in Guardians of Galaxy 2 and 3 are like the only legitimately good Marvel movies in my eyes. Like James Gunn supremacy in my eyes. He's he's the guy, you know.
00:22:31
Speaker
And even though I like most of Black Panther, I feel like that last act kind of falls apart. Well, not falls apart. It's like functional. Ryan Coogler was not well suited for the MCU. Ryan Coogler was not well suited. he He needs to be in control of his stories because he knows how to make a great Hollywood film. Well, and in terms of like the scale of action that he is bested, I'm not saying that he can't do like ah hyper large scales but like i think he's correct in being more drawn to the more intimate bat like you know like of like but what if just two characters who have a personal connection have a fight and it doesn't have to be really flashy like that's the best like it's weird that that that fight happens midway through the movie and then they're like no now they're gonna they're have a rematch at the end but this one sucks
00:23:19
Speaker
and And it looks like a PS2 game, right? It like surprisingly gets really, really gloopy. and And I'm like, I don't know how that happened. This is like one of the most expensive movies ever, right? Like, know how you guys slip on that.
00:23:35
Speaker
The only reason I would watch Black Panther again would be to watch Fort Whitaker. Yeah. To hear Forrest Whitaker go. du Yeah, exactly. You know, like, like I love Forrest Whitaker, you know, like he's he will he will bring me anywhere, you know. um But but that's one of those movies where when I watched it at the time, I was just like, this is OK, you know, and that's it.
00:23:57
Speaker
I mean, Michael B. Jordan has a Vegeta vest yeah in it and that's cool. should Should have been the protagonist. He's got a lot of interesting ideas. I had a classmate who was like, yeah, what a crazy villain Killmonger was. I was like, don't know. He's like, what did he do? It was so bad. He's like, he wanted to kill all white people, right? And I was like, yeah, so.
00:24:22
Speaker
ahead and you're ah where's where Where's your problem? There was a period in time where the MCU would make their villains be slightly progressive, which was very strange because then it made it so it was like... The heroes maintain the status quo. Black Panther literally, with the CIA, takes out Killmonger just because he wanted to arm Black...
00:24:49
Speaker
Yeah, it's fucking insane. like Like, and people talk about Black Panther as like a black empowerment film, and I'm just like, what are you talking about? You know, like, you like that that movie is kind And even if he'd be like the lesson of like, okay, he actually learned something from the villain of like, that he was wrong. But what he does with that knowledge is he starts some charter schools.
00:25:10
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Like, I think you And it's about like... You have like trillions of dollars. Like I think you could be like giving lot more just like, look, this is school. It's got my name on it.
00:25:24
Speaker
And it's the idea that like the the thing that made Wakanda so special was that it was free from the outside world, right? That it was like flourishing by itself. And at the end of the movie, they're like, we'll let everybody in.
00:25:36
Speaker
I'm like, yes, I get like right track in terms of like globalization and like, you know, let's let's not, you know, be dicks to each other, right? But then there's the other element where it's like,
00:25:49
Speaker
There's a reason why people aren't so, you know, warm to the West, you know, like there's a reason. We saw what happened in the Congo, right? Yeah. Like, like, why would, like, why should I be happy about Wakanda, you know, being an ally to the West now, you know, like, but then again, I'm asking for too much for a Marvel movie. The sequel kind of deal besides having to be the problem with the sequels. It also has to be like a eulogy for T'Challa and Chadwick like at the same time. But then also there is the storyline of like the I don't think they make them Atlanteans. they it's They're like they're like
00:26:28
Speaker
as ancient Aztecs that like went underwater or something. But like ah their whole thing is like they're paralleling of like, no, they also are like isolationists and for good reason, like that they like have a very valid viewpoint and they they see like Wakanda as kind of blowing up their spot because it's like, oh, people know about you.
00:26:49
Speaker
They're going to find us like that's a problem. Maybe I do need to see Wakanda forever. it's not it's ah it's ah It's not like perfect, but like it's still – you still get some Ryan Coogler – like i i I agree with you. He's not sued for Marvel movies, but he still gets to put – they let him put a idea or two in it it. Like it has to fight against the machinery of like what's going on like largely. sure.
Creed Films and Ryan Coogler's Impact
00:27:12
Speaker
Yeah. it's A compromised Ryan Coogler movie is still better than a lot of – Absolutely. Right. and Like, hey, ah I'll always go to back for for Creed. Like, that's one of those movies that's just like, you know, like, like if you put like, you know what, Doug, like after this podcast, I'm probably going to go and watch Creed.
00:27:33
Speaker
Now that I've invoked Creed, I'm going to watch Creed. That's how much I love that movie. Like, I should watch the sequels because it was too like the bar was set too high. And then also, like, I just have the, memory you know, of like, ah, the Rocky sequels. i don't really care about.
00:27:48
Speaker
and Have you not seen Creed 2 and 3? No, I've only seen one. Okay, well, okay, so I'll give you, like, a broad overview in my opinion, right? So, like, 2 is, like, Rocky 2, right? In the sense where it's, like, they're kind of doing Creed again, and, like, they're doing more nostalgia mining because there's Dolph Lundgren's back, right? And he's training a Russian guy, right?
00:28:12
Speaker
So, like, it's cool for that. And also, like, Dolph Lundgren, as you may know, like, he's a great actor, right? so like Yeah, he actually is really good. Exactly. Right. And then Creed three is the Jonathan majors one. And then it's also like the anime one. Like, cause Michael B. Joy directed it.
00:28:29
Speaker
And like the, the and references are so pronounced. And like, if you're into that thing, then you will love Anna, like the anime of it all. But Jonathan majors is really trying to like cement himself as like a ah force in that movie. And like, I can see that aging the movie very poorly. Yeah.
00:28:48
Speaker
And I really like the last black man in San Francisco because like he kind of came out the gate like pretty exciting like that I was like, He was a great actor. was. But then it really timed out to like when we started finding out about him. It's like ah the performances like started reading like extra phone. I'm like.
00:29:06
Speaker
bro, you're you're putting too much mustard on this. Like, calm calm down. My favorite performance of his was when he interrupted those two high school girls who were fighting. And he, like, he he like went in there like Chris Pratt from, like, Jurassic World. While wearing a Newsies cap.
00:29:26
Speaker
It's incredible. I would say you couldn't write these things, but they did write these things. Specifically, his PR team wrote this thing. And and people, multiple people look this over and they're like, this is a really good defense and idea to like, OK, we have all these assault, you know, charges and stuff. But like, what if he like stopped a fight? what What if he broke up a fight between two high school girls? You know, like, like who came up with that? he was like, this is the thing that's going to get him out of all this hot water. You know, ah like, like some Facebook mom scrolling through their feed and goes, goes,
00:30:01
Speaker
This Jonathan Major's guy is all right in violence. He's one of the good ones. know you say You said Facebook mob, so, you know, like I had to it's true yeah accurately portray.
00:30:15
Speaker
Exactly. You took it where I couldn't, you know? Okay. Back back to the... The bear. I fell in the bear. Um...
00:30:28
Speaker
We were talking about Robbie Langdon. They've been, Robbie's been ducking Langdon. Like he's basically doing a Metal Gear Solid level. Every time he sees Langdon in the hallways, he puts a cardboard box on He sneaks around.
00:30:42
Speaker
Langdon looks down. He's like, i think those are footprints. the guys one of The exclamation mark appears above his head. but But yeah the way it's shot when he like forces his way into the elevator, when they're like, they have a a patient being helicoptered in on on the roof. And it's like the doors are about to close and the the cameras inside the elevator. It's almost framed like a horror, like a horror shot, like in a movie where someone's trying to get away from like a killer or something. And then they put their hand in the door and like, ah they didn't get a away the last moment. It's like, cause the doors are pretty much almost closed. And then like, even just like fucking puts his arm in. He's like, yo, I'm here.
00:31:19
Speaker
And like we knew that Langdon's been gunning for this conversation. We know that Robbie's been ducking it. It needed to happen. Right. Did we expect it to go down this way? i feel like we did. Right. like I didn't really. I would have been surprised. her I would have been surprised if it went any other way, honestly, because it's like, and ah I mean, there's there's a path towards like them mending the fences, maybe. Although it would be interesting if Robbie just never forgives Langdon. Like the like that's where it's going.
00:31:49
Speaker
In my eyes, like, I don't see any kind of reconciliation here. I think it's done. i could I could see it going either way. Like, I mean, ah yeah but your version is, that version is, like, more realistic. like Like, that is more likely with who those characters are that that's how it's going to go. I think what Robbie is doing here is he's saying to Langdon, he's like, I'm um i'm going on sabbatical for three months, right?
00:32:16
Speaker
And by the time I get back here, you're gone. Like, I think that that's what he's telling him in this moment. He doesn't care that, you know, Langdon is back for today because like he's gone the next day, right? But in his mind, he doesn't know if he can be comfortable in a professional environment with this guy. And i in truth be told, Robbie is well within his rights to feel his way.
00:32:38
Speaker
And the fact that after that scene... he's kind of like intentionally ah fucking up Langdon's flow. Like, like throw, like, cause you know, Langdon's like feeling a little sore from being told like, i don't know if I want you in my yeah ah ER. r But then like while they're with a patient, he's like throwing, you know,
00:32:56
Speaker
like curveballs at it. And then, but then while also propping up, uh, is it, is it King who's in the room? Like that, that like he's given her like moments to shine like over, like just highlight, highlighting someone else over him when he,
00:33:11
Speaker
Like it hasn't been like a year or something, but it hasn't been that long since he was the favorite. And to like, like do that. Right. Not that King's the favorites, clearly Santos, but like to just like be like propping up someone else of like that. He remembers what it's like to be in the warmth of the light of Robbie. But but like he's not getting it's like that sun ain't shining shining on you anymore, man.
00:33:32
Speaker
No, we've we we've talked about on previous episodes that clearly Santos is the new favorite. Well-deserved. Santos is great, you know. um Like even on an off day like today where she's tired, he's still down to gab with her Is she singing to him? Can I talk about that? Like he doesn't credit Busting out the Hadestown vocals.
00:33:55
Speaker
Like, the only Broadway show I've ever seen, and she was a fucking co-star on that one, by the way. like like ah she Like, she's got some fucking pipes on her. She's got pipes. I'm like, whoa, holy shit.
00:34:06
Speaker
And it's just, like, like outside of her real-world ability, it's just a funny detail for Santos to have. Like, because she's so... on the surface prickly, but then, you know, like the, it's like, Oh, she can be soothing and like, actually like but give that warmth, to like if she wanted right.
00:34:29
Speaker
It's all for the purpose of getting this baby to shut up so she can work. But like she is like has that within her. Like it's like it's not like that. she That's like an alien concept to her of like, oh, yeah, if I sing something soothing in this baby ah very beautifully, I sing like an angel to this baby, then she'll fall asleep.
00:34:46
Speaker
And not to, you know, be all 1.0 with it again, but like the fact that it's, you know, her speaking Spanish, you know, it's very clearly seems to be something that came from her childhood. Right.
00:35:01
Speaker
And right like she she spent a lot of this episode just kind of being like upset about the baby crying and trying to get it to stop. Right. Right. I think that all this stuff is very beautiful. And as we've roadmarked here that like Santos is like the new number two, like this episode is kind of showing that Santos could replace Robbie, you know, that like forget fucking Dr. Alishimi, you know, like Santos could take over this hospital and she could run it.
00:35:31
Speaker
as well as Robbie in my eyes. She could run it like the Navy. Like, yeah, I think Robbie's looking at her as, like we said before, like the thing that really hurt about the, you know, Langdon betrayal is that he was probably like seeing, it eyeing him as like, you, you're going to be the next me. And it's like that, that,
00:35:49
Speaker
that thought is not reconcilable like what he knows about Langdon, even if Langdon is getting the help that he needs. it's Like you can't, you can't do that then. Like you can't be, you can't do what I do. Fucking, I don't know if I can trust you to do that, but he's like, I think, I think he sees that in Santos correctly because she's a fucking great doctor, but then just on a personal level, like the fact that they gab, you know, like when, when, uh, that little scene where she's telling him about Huckleberry ah going over to Amy's all, all the time. And like, that he had no idea about it. I also liked the fact that he didn't know that the husband with all the burns didn't make it when he was the one that told Whitaker that's like,
00:36:30
Speaker
statistically, those kind of burns, probably going to be a bacteria infection. But that they he was still like, I ah was being an optimist. And what does Robbie say in the first season to Jake that he remembers everybody who dies?
00:36:44
Speaker
Right. Yeah. This is the moment that we're getting Robbie being proven wrong. Yeah. I don't see anybody in the pit fandom talking about this. I don't see anybody in the pit fandom talking about Robbie, you know, not having... Because that was the moment of season one, like, you know, like, you know, exactly that you're going to play when he gets gets his is his Emmy. But, like, it was also just, like, a very powerful moment. But, like, the fact that it it lets him be a hypocrite, you know? Like, it's like... But, like, not in a way where it's like, oh, well, he's full of shit. at All of it's full of shit. like, he's human. Like, there's no way...
00:37:19
Speaker
How many patients do you lose as a doc, as an attending? You know, that's like, ah yes, he is carrying a lot of weight, but it's like there's literally no possible way you would be. I don't I don't think any doctor could remember who works on that. Especially in the ER. r You're going to remember everyone you lost. Get the fuck out of here.
00:37:40
Speaker
All right, Robbie, come on, like take a hike, you know, like, you yeah that ball got you know, like i get what you're saying. Exactly. Right. Like, and I also speak, I think this speaks to how Robbie, while he is still professional this season, his foot is clearly out that door. His usual, ah you know, code of ethics is not to the same degree that he usually has the any other circumstance, even within prior hours, right? I can feel Robbie checking out with every hour that goes on. And with the way that this episode ends, that will probably change a bit, right?
00:38:21
Speaker
He's going to have to lock in before you move on to any other larger conversations. I wanted to roadmap this a little bit because um it's referenced that Melissa King is going to be having her deposition very two hours, and think they said. Yeah. um I don't want to do the Doctor Who thing. I feel like there's like another like...
00:38:40
Speaker
oh Oh, it's ah Matthew McConaughey and Wolf of Wall Street. It's fugazi. It's a fugazi. It's a fairy dust, you know? He ain't real. It's all about how you sell it. It's all about how it you put in a name.
00:38:53
Speaker
um Fucking Joe Biden. Listen here, Jack. I get older. They stay the same age. He plays Joe and Hunter. Oh, oh du I would love a McConaughey as Hunter.
00:39:07
Speaker
I love McConaughey as Hunter. Because you'd get all these shots of like him like smoking meth, and they would just turn into Dallas Buyers Club. Yeah. And it'll just all fade into like Biden about to like you dude address the nature. We just went from meth to the president.
00:39:25
Speaker
Folks, my son's addicted to meth. No. It's pretty good. It's down to you and McConaughey. One of you is going to get it. Listen, McConaughey, come on the pod, you know? good but Let's have a chat. Not talk about movies. Let's just talk about politics. Yeah. Let's talk about AI. I'd love to talk about AI with you, McConaughey.
00:39:48
Speaker
I want him to have a conversation about that with someone who's like actually aggressively pushing back because no one's like actually. yeah because that's what I'm saying. Like, let's we would not let him get away with that. And maybe someone in that room did. But I'm like, fucking Timmy, speak up.
00:40:04
Speaker
Get your ping pong paddle out. Hey, he worked with Josh s Shafty. He already didn't care. he's He's playing the politics of like he's – I mean he's ah openly – like that he's going for the superstardom trophy. So like he – you know, you have to – you have to play nice. you know Like it doesn't – kind of doesn't matter how you feel personally.
00:40:25
Speaker
The pit. Unlike the pit. The building, the beard. I don't want to, like, make too much of a joke about this. I actually want to, like, kind of, like, you know, we're shifting the gears. Maybe we're feeling the gears grinding a bit when I do this at this moment. But what really appreciate about this episode is everything with Donna.
Sexual Assault Survivor's Storyline
00:40:46
Speaker
Everything about the sexual assault survivor, the fact that like 30 minutes of the show is just devoted to like what happens when somebody goes through a sexual assault. I think that this is like the pit at its best.
00:41:00
Speaker
Because we're in there's been plenty of storylines and things where it's like, yeah, someone's have been a victim of assault or rape. I mean, there's whole shows about just dealing with victims about that. But how often do you see like the full procedure? And we're not even we're getting it super invasive, but we're cutting away still, you know, like to other storylines. So it's like it's actually even more intensive and in time. because But like the that and there's something to it's like.
00:41:28
Speaker
Donna really wants to be there for for this woman. She's doing every like that. that That's what those, you know, the specific nurses are trained to do and like to make them feel safe and comfortable to do this.
00:41:39
Speaker
But it's a super invasive and traumatizing thing, especially that this just happened to her. It was at the barbecue she just came from. And now she's kind of being reviled. I mean, these are people who are here to help her, but it's like.
00:41:54
Speaker
Physically, it's not that different. you Like, it's, good it's yeah. the Unfortunately, despite their best efforts, they are a part of the trauma, right? Like, when this woman, this poor young woman, looks back on this day, right, she's going to not only remember the assault, but she's going to remember the shame that she felt when she went into the hospital and she had to, like, you know, do all of these things. I'm not saying that in any regards to put that on her.
00:42:22
Speaker
at all, you know? but No, because that the day but that's a like horror like how do how do you go do that? like Exactly. just, like... not just like lived through that experience but then the aftermath like it's like it can be the presented in as compassionate a package as possible but it's like it's still it's clinical like you can't like there's a coldness from it that that can't be removed no matter how care you are it kind of made me think about the robocop scene where he shoots the rapist in the dick and then he's like you've just been the victim of an assault you know like that It's like, yes. And I get you in touch with a help or phone line. Right. Right. Like that. It's like, yeah, like obviously like that's, you know comically like cold and distant, but it's a juxtaposition of like they're doing everything they can to make her feel safe. And they're even like when Donna says like you're in control now, you know, like that. Yeah.
00:43:14
Speaker
these are the quote unquote the right things to say but there is no right thing you can say or do for someone in that situation it's like and I'm not saying that like someone can't move on from something true you know people are very resilient people can kind of get on from anything but like and in that moment especially when it's No, just literally it's the same day within like hour an hour or so of this happening that you have to basically relive it.
00:43:45
Speaker
Even if the people are talking to you in like ASMR voice, it's still going to fucking suck. the The thing ah is that like while Donna is trying to like put across that empathy you know to like show that she's there for her right and and the as you've already pointed out there's this procedure but then there's also like it feels like a quarantine right it feels like they need to like like she's got to put on the mask you know she's got to put on a thing there's like a whole she got to put a cloth up right she even said i can't leave this room until we're finished
00:44:20
Speaker
It's very impersonal, right? Despite, like, this very human situation that's happening, like, because of legality, because of all these things, like, you just like.
00:44:31
Speaker
Because it it looks like there's even a moment where Donna wants to comfort her physically, like, like, put her hands on the patient, but then she has to, like, stop. Because it's like you can't do especially with this kind of pain. Like you can't you fucking can't touch her. Like like even ah ah even with the permission that she's giving to like get these samples and tests, it's like clearly this is awful for her. And like Donna, we've already talked about she's a queen, you know, the best, all that stuff. But then like with all of the stuff that happens in this episode, it tells us so much about her character, what she possibly has gone through. Right. Like to have what happens to this character and then how that is impressed upon Donna.
00:45:16
Speaker
Like this is the meat of the episode. This is the thing that matters more. Sorry, we keep calling her Donna. It's actually it's Dana. that's what like out but I feel like like, is there a Donna on the show? what's What's the name of the night nurse? Oh, that'd be funny if there was, you know. but a Dana Donna? Dana.
00:45:34
Speaker
Dana, Donna, like Dana essentially like, like for her, it's like when something like this is happening, we, have know we haven't really been given that information in the past, but like we saw what happened last season with that guy, right? Like she's clearly not had great run-ins with other, with dudes, right? Dudes suck, right? And like to have her specifically be the one who's going through this situation with this person and the way that it goes down feels particularly heartbreaking to me.
00:46:04
Speaker
Yeah, because she you can tell that, like everyone else, there they're there because they want to help people. But it's the the the thing that they brush up against in different kind of situations where it's like, sometimes you cannot, like at least in that specific moment. It's like, i like I said, I don't think they're, like you can have the, you know, most thought out, a compassionate script that you follow, but it's still procedure and it's going to,
00:46:31
Speaker
It's going to be traumatizing. So it's like there's no either the patient consents to that and they just do it anyway or they're just not going to be able to do it. And like she does. She does try like she wants to just get through with it.
00:46:45
Speaker
She's like, OK, like, let's just go, you know, like just like get it over with. But then like very understandable reasons. She's like, i I can't keep going. Like this is like we got stop.
00:46:57
Speaker
And it's the unfortunate reality with a lot of like rape victims, right? That this is a situation where it's not even just like what happened, but it's the shame and the guilt of like coming forward with this stuff. Because this guy this guy was a friend, part of her friend group. She's like, he knows all my friends.
00:47:18
Speaker
So then she's thinking about the backlash of like, what will this do? Because unfortunately, it's not going to be like everyone's going to be sympathetic to her if she comes forward. Some people might be like, well, what the fuck? What that bitch do? You know, like that's going to be, ah unfortunately, the response of, least I mean, if there's guys in that friend group, for sure, there's going to be at least one of them who like,
00:47:38
Speaker
has that kind of response. Even women don't respond to something like that. that sometimes Like, it's... it's ah The patriarchy can be patriarchy. It kind of doesn't matter what gender you are. this What we're watching is, like, something that's going to become a regret for a woman, like...
00:47:55
Speaker
10, 15 years down the line, right? And that's part of the reason why Dana is crying, right? Is that, like, she, like, a part of her wants her to just do this right now.
00:48:07
Speaker
To, like, you know, get this all out there, you know, to do all these things. But then Dana also understands that, like, that... process is is just too complicated and too hard, you know?
00:48:18
Speaker
and And it's not a one-to-one, but, like, she wasn't even sure if she wanted to report when she was, like, got punched. if Because, like, obviously, it's a different kind of assault, but it's like that that's still...
00:48:31
Speaker
There's a procedure to it, and especially if you're just trying to move on, you're just like, don't know. ah She did end up pressing charges, though, right? or did like Because they they reference it. and i Or did she not? I can't remember.
00:48:47
Speaker
Against against I think you're right. I think she did press charges. I think it's referenced at some point in the season. Which... But also at the same time... it She didn't immediately come to that till, you know, like it took... We don't know how long in between the end of season one and her making that decision was. And it it could have could have been a while. I mean, i you know, like you probably have to do it soonish to fucking... Fortunately, there's a statute of limitations where they're like, well, it was actually kind of a long ago that that person violated you. So doesn't count.
00:49:21
Speaker
Like ah the statute of limitations of rape cases, unfortunately, is something that's lenient towards the perpetrators in those cases. So like it is a whole thing with those things.
00:49:33
Speaker
With ah Dana and the situation, i think the tragedy of this is that Dana feels as though like they're so close to the finish line. And that she's so hoping that this can happen. That when it when the rug is pulled, when all of this does just end so quickly, it's so devastating. and Like, but we last weekend, we were talking about how, like, the last episode was like, this is where the pit is the pit, right? This is another instance where the pit is the pit. and and And like even beyond like the Langdon and Robbie of it all, like this is when when the moment – when the show is able to have moments like these, this is why I remember why everybody had these rapturous praises of the show last year.
00:50:18
Speaker
Because no one else is doing it like this. Like I said, like, yeah, the other – 100%. Other shows like, you know, have similar subject matter, but it's not – they're not tackling it and in the same way. It's it's just –
00:50:31
Speaker
I don't want to say it's like it's just raw and realistic. All that does elevate
Family Dynamics Around Dying Patient
00:50:36
Speaker
it. It's more just like where it's coming at it from the emotional standpoint. Like it's like just laying plainly of like, yeah, these these doctors have their heart on their sleeve and they want to help the way they can. But like sometimes you just get so close and you can't.
00:50:51
Speaker
And speaking of people that they don't know how to help, there's the whole thing with the the woman who's dying of cancer, you know, like who, you know... That storyline keeps getting me and it because it keeps getting the The fact that he brought, she was trying to get rid of the husband, I think, because maybe she's like feeling like, I don't know how much more I got in me. and i won see like She can't even leave the bed to like go to the bathroom. It's like really bad. So she asked him to go back home. And then he comes and brings the kids. And it's like, yeah, I get where...
00:51:24
Speaker
he's coming from that, like, you want, everyone wants to be able to spend as much time with her as they can before this happens. But also for her, I kept thinking about how much harder, like, it's even hard to just have a conversation, like, when Robbie and Dr. McKay come into the room, like,
00:51:40
Speaker
just talking about death now becomes harder because fucking there's children in the room and they don't want to hear that. Like, even if they know the reality that their mom's dying, it's like, can you not say that in front of me? Like, this is when the picture becomes so clear, right? This is when, like, because, like, last weekend we were talking about, you know, like, maybe she wants to just, like, die on her own and all that stuff, but, like,
00:52:04
Speaker
This is a situation where, in like, now we know that the dad is, like, making this almost like a family event, you know? That he's, like, keeping everybody together as close-knit as possible, and they're all sharing in this misery at the same time, you know?
00:52:18
Speaker
But he's taking away he's taking away her choice of, like, that, like, Robbie even says of, like... yeah so Not even just her choice, right? But just like involving the kids, right? Like making the kids feel that way, you know, like putting that pressure onto them as well to the point where it's like they're talking – they talk about ghosts or something? They talk about – Yeah, i don't i don't want I don't want you to live with my ghost. And he was like, I'll gladly live with your ghost.
00:52:43
Speaker
It's like, okay, i get you love your wife. That's great. I get where you're coming from, dude. But like, let's think about everyone else in the room right now because like not just the wife but the kids and like the one son is like. And kids even say like don't talk about ghosts right now, right? Yeah. That's perfect. Cherry on top to that exact moment, right?
00:53:01
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And then the whole conversation with with Robbie in the hall where he's like, can you make her go home? And Robbie even wants to see if they can because they need beds like they're getting all these like extra people in and, ah you know, they have the home care option set up. But also you can't force.
00:53:19
Speaker
but especially someone in her condition like you can't you can't make her legal like you legally can't and and like the fact that the husband is like taking away ah people should be able to die how they want like i've already said previously that dr gaborgian let's do it you know it's just about let live ah Well, it's just like it's it's it's a hard topic, especially i feel like a lot of Western cultures like really have difficulty like reconciling like the reality of death because it is a reality and it is inevitable more so for some than others. But
00:53:55
Speaker
It does definitely feels like the husband can't, even though he's saying that he understands the situation, he has that where he ah kind of snaps back to Robbie. He's like, you're telling me there's not anything I can do for my wife. I won't accept that. Like, almost like he's thinking in his mind, there's like almost some magic combination of things that he could, like maybe he could save her. it's like, that's not on the books. That's not that's not happening.
00:54:19
Speaker
I think that some people... I think some people really struggle with this idea ah between you know committing suicide and like going to death on your own terms.
00:54:31
Speaker
right and Because she is dying. like That's the a fact. Yes, exactly. and And there's no getting around that. right And she knows that she she knows that she's going to be dead within the season. We all know that's going to happen. right We all know that she's going to die in this hospital. i actually i actually thought Langdon was going to discover a cure for cancer. He's like upset about robbing Langdon to him.
00:54:52
Speaker
and he's so No, no, no. he missing it With Benzos. You're missing a Yeah, he's going to get fucking high and then he's going to get the answer. And then he's going to, you know, that's how he's going to do it. You know, you like he's going to, I did then he's going come to Robbie first. So Robbie's going to go like, no, no, you don't understand. Get away from me, junkie.
00:55:10
Speaker
Yeah, and then then then then the lady goes, is goes wait wait, wait, wait, hold on, look at this. And then shows them something, and ah it's on a piece of paper because obviously, as it's revealed later, the tech has gone down. yeah but But to continue with this joke, he shows them on his equation, on his gridded piece of paper. And Robbie looks at at her for a second. he He kind of like, he gives one of those, like, he's he's got his head, and then he tilts it a scant, and he goes, we'll see what we can do.
00:55:37
Speaker
Yeah. Because because he can't he can't turn down possible healing you know for first for someone. like he ass He has to follow that through. So even if he doesn't trust Langdon, he would have to.
00:55:51
Speaker
Yeah, he he hears the possibility and he can't technically turn it down. and and and And that's the good thing about Robbie. That's the thing that keeps us coming back for him. That's the thing that makes us root for him in the end. is that like Even with this one foot out the door, because it it feels different than like the...
00:56:08
Speaker
on the precipice of killing himself version of him in season one. that This is like, like you said, he kind of just doesn't care. Like he cares about the patients for sure. But in terms of like,
00:56:21
Speaker
He's not wearing a helmet, you know, and it's not like he that he's going to actively. I don't think he's like going to actively try and crash his bike, but I don't think he's also going to try too hard to stop something from happening. You know, I'm just going to activate the trap card right now because we haven't talked about him at all. This ah podcast recording, we have literally not referenced this character once again.
00:56:43
Speaker
by name, by event, by anything. But we need to discuss him at this current juncture because we simply haven't just yet. But Dr. Jack Abbott makes his return in this episode.
00:56:56
Speaker
um i don't I don't know. or i wouldn't I'll put in the Dr. John Cena. I put jim johnson put in in the last, ah I think that was season one, I put in Dr. John Cena.
00:57:09
Speaker
See, oh you put in dr john if you put in Dr. John, I'd be just as happy. Such a night, you know. Just immediately living in a wrong place. And can hear what's what's sinister about this the the show we keep praising for how empathetic it is. I could feel the ACAB leaving my body.
00:57:30
Speaker
yeah. Oh, yeah. All progressive ideologies is are just gone. The moment you just see the big, bold words police across his chest. And then the moment that that happens. I was like, but the their job is really hard. No, no, no, no, no. no I was going to a different direction. I was just like, oh, so HBO, this is why you want to make a police show. You want to make Jack Abbott the leader of that police show. I mean. want to have him as the lead and he's like secretly a medic. You tell me that that's that's the show? Like if that's the actual spinoff?
00:58:03
Speaker
I'll watch it. I'll watch it. I'll watch it. If it's Jack Abbott, like don't even, like, what is his last name? Hatsoy or whatever? Like, I don't know. Tosi. Yeah, like, he's fucking. would watch it.
00:58:17
Speaker
I would watch it in a heartbeat. He's because so good. the It's like this crazy combination of like he's he's got he's got Riz for days, but like he also is like so low key. He's not like overplaying his hand. He was in Animal Kingdom. I really liked him in Animal Kingdom, I do want to say. Ain't been talking to the cops, eh?
00:58:39
Speaker
no Hey, you don't have any droids, do you? Like that.
00:58:50
Speaker
ah so So, yeah. ah Also, he, like, kind of hits on... There's multiple moments where I yes i feel like... Sometimes when when, you know, the creators, showrunners, writers, like, look at what fans are saying online, it could be bad for the show. But there almost seems to be, like, a wink like knowing wink of, like, we know you guys are fucking freaks for this, especially for this guy Like, we're going to just put him in scenarios and it's like, you do the rest. You let your mind run run crazy. You know, like like he hits hits on Alashimi and then when he has one.
00:59:27
Speaker
Yeah. We gotta talk about that. he Because he got him he brings in a cop that, you know, he's part of this, he's a SWAT medic. He brings in a cop that got shot and they have to do all that to stabilize him. But then you find out a bullet grazed him. And so he's like trying to like dress it himself. And then ah Dr. Mohan comes in. sees She's looking for, we'll get back to her patient in that storyline. But like she's she's looking for yeah her her patient and he's there and so she ends up like kind of help helping him and then the look that Robbie gives as he just walks it all like like people have been joking lately on Twitter but like this wasn't the script they just did it and kept it in but it's literally is played so convincingly like it's like a genuine like I did not know what was I what did I just see in there like like that he has that look in just a look where he's like
01:00:21
Speaker
Yeah. And also that it's Mohan. That's important. Right. Like, especially after what happened last season. Right. With the whole like life saving, know, crazy. Like there was an attraction there in that weird way. Right. And to put her in that position to go back to the fan service-y thing, you know, like I can imagine the weirdest fan fiction people are just gobbling that up, you know. And in that moment, you're you like you' that actor is just making a meal out of it. He's having fun, ah you know. ah He's making a meal, but like it's so low key. Like that's the best thing about his character. Yeah. yeah be Because the thing Mohan's having fun with it too. Right. Cause she's just kind of bouncing off of that. You know, she's like, it'll be our secret because he doesn't want to have a chart. He's like, yeah, I don't need the hospital or the police like having this in their record, which almost I'm like, we I'm like, it indicates the a cab because he's like, fucking he's a renegade. Like I'm trying trying to rationalize. I'm like, no, but except for,
01:01:24
Speaker
Yeah, but he's fine. No, no, he's he's not a police officer. He's a doctor. That's how we were introduced to him. So that's how he'll always be in our minds. That's the way I look at it. But yeah with with mohan mo Mohan and them and and Robbie, all that stuff, like we talked about how it's all fanservice-y. We all know that this is all what it's going to be contained to.
01:01:45
Speaker
so And there's not introduction of right. We're going to see as the night progresses, but I don't think if then it's going to build into like, ah, there's a love triangle be between Mohan, Jack and al Hashimi. I mean, I'd watch that if you tell me that that's in a couple episodes, I'll be like. yeah I think there's more likelihood of Robbie getting with Alishimi than that and any of the other, like Mohan and and Jack Abbott. I feel like they they're on their own in that sense. I'm more excited for like what's going to happen with Melissa King next episode because I feel like King's been kind of sidelined throughout most of the season. I feel like they've been building to this with her because she is has obviously been a bit of a fan favorite.
01:02:24
Speaker
um and and and And just like how does she deal – this is just a totally new challenge for her. Like she's – it's you know like everyone else on the show is is focused on helping and in healing.
01:02:34
Speaker
But this is like – now you have to defend yourself and rationalize what you did in in ah in a court. Like that those are not skills that she has developed and it's like – Fuck. Like, i'm I'm not worried about her from, like, a standpoint of, like, i don't, like, I think Robbie's correct and, like, you didn't do anything wrong. i I trust her skills as a doctor, but it's, like, how is she going to read on the stand, do you know?
01:03:01
Speaker
Like, it could be, she could crash out. You know, like, this setup, this idea of, like, Melissa King doing this deposition, like, this is something that that reads to me as it could take over a whole episode and it would be good.
01:03:16
Speaker
Oh, I'll do a but a courtroom episode that's just her. Just Melissa King, you know? like fucking feel like that would be really good That's why you have, like, more than, you know, 10 or 12 episodes a season so you can do shit like that. Like, that's the the benefit of the of, like, yeah, we can spare ah a King episode, especially because, like you said, she's been kind of sparse.
01:03:38
Speaker
And then also on the other, on the flip side of that, right? Like how many actors are on the show and like how many actors would you want the same for exactly that? Right? Like The Pit is also a show that could benefit from something similar to like Lost, right? Or like every single character on the show, every single actor on the show deserves their own episode.
01:04:03
Speaker
Literally. Like, I could follow... and i would i would watch I would watch an episode of Javadi getting dinner with her parents. Like, she's just... Oh, give me five of those. That's a full, like, series art. Because I... I should say we meet her dad and ah he is presenting, you know the mom has a very specific idea of like what Javadi's like future will be and like her career choices.
01:04:31
Speaker
And the dad is like supportive. He's like present, he brings a doctor down and introduces them in a different field of, I forget what it, what it was, what that doctor was, but he's basically just being like, you got options. Like, you know, and you know, it, He's supportive, and but at the end he's like, it's up to you. like You do whatever you want.
01:04:50
Speaker
Doug, I want to call this out right now. You called this last week. You said that he was going to be a straight chiller. And a girl dad. He He's a girl old dad. He absolutely is. He is in her corner the entire time. And and and exactly what you two you're saying there, right? Like he's giving her options. He's saying to her, you don't have to, you know, do exactly what your mom is saying right now. And then also, like he does that whole thing about like him not giving up scotch, you know, Like he's like, Oh, you know, I'll, I'll risk breaking an attendant. So like, because he's being forced to play squash, if I can keep drinking, you know, like that, that's a, that's a dude's rock moment in the middle of like a, a father daughter bonding moment. Like, I think that's really cool that he's like a school dude that the doctor is kind of into Dr. J, you know, like all of this stuff is just really working really well. So like,
01:05:47
Speaker
This is just another moment where the pit is just working in sabatico. Yeah. And now it just makes me hungry for a scene with both of that. Like, so we can see the parents bounce off of each other. Cause I'm like, there, there's going to be a storm brewing, you know, like that the, the, the, the The mom just seems like an immovable object that she's not going budge on like pretty much anything. Like anytime that she's like, she kind of only like begrudgingly gives Javadi some acknowledgement when there's no other choice. Like she saved someone's life in in a way that was like slightly unorthodox last season. And then it wasn't like, great job, daughter. You're making me proud. But she's kind of just like, hmm.
01:06:30
Speaker
and like like but But that's like the most you're getting from her. she She was like pretty cruel to her at points, you know? like like i feel like there's no way she can't know that that's like almost punishment for her to come down to the pit. For sure. It's like you kind of like – because she she gets to throw her status around and then – And it's kind of it just seems like a control thing. It's like you it's like, is that your daughter? Is it an extension to you? Like the you got it. It can't be both.
01:07:03
Speaker
I feel like you would me and the writers of the show are on the same page where like Dr. Javadi is just like whatever the parents want for her. She's going to just succeed them, you know, like whatever they think that she's going to do. She's going to do something cooler than that. Well, no one's no one's assuming that she's going to stay in the yeah ER r because that's not like a glamorous like assignment. Like no one's really like been like, oh you're going to. If does that, that would still be cool to imagine if she's still there in the third season in the exact same way, but like in a much increased role. I think she would crush it.
01:07:36
Speaker
Right, because there is something just hardcore about the pit. like They're like, no, we're down here. You know, like, fucking, like, everyone else obviously is working their ass, ah ah you know, surgery. and everybody it's all It's all group project, but they're, like, the first line of defense. ah And speaking of first line of defense, the pit's under attack.
01:07:56
Speaker
Fucking cyber attack.
Chaos from Hospital Cyber Attack
01:07:58
Speaker
The Phantom of the Opera music. Da-da-da-da-da-da. Mr. Robot himself. Rami Malek is holding. Hello, it's me, Christian Slater.
01:08:11
Speaker
I'm here because I am Mr. Robot. That's a pretty good Christian Slater. ah Money hasn't even been real since the 80s or something. He goes on like a rant about that in the first episode.
01:08:26
Speaker
I'm a nymphomaniac.
01:08:30
Speaker
But yeah, there's been a cyber attack on other hospitals, not just Westbridge, where they're getting all these patients from. And they're like, yeah, well, if we give into his demands, maybe he won't, ah you know, come after other hospitals. But ah we're just shutting down just in case. And this is the CEO who's shown up like like Tony Pro from Irishman, just like fucking in his chill clothes, just like.
01:08:52
Speaker
was uh anyway but not with good news he's just like hey unfortunately we're going analog uh now like doesn't give them like oh heads up time of yeah doesn't consult with the attending uh or he doesn't consult with robbie the you know current attendee insults with ali shimi and she says nothing to anybody like like she kept that to herself that's crazy that is crazy because like they bear whitaker barely gets a photo of the chart of like the screen if they didn't have that if they did like it's like okay you could do a lot of things analog it'll take more time but you fucking need the chaos it would be if you didn't have the like where everyone is and like what's going on like like you kind of fucking need at least a starting point.
01:09:40
Speaker
You know, like I've seen some posts on Twitter recently where people have been like, oh, here's the picture that Whitaker took. And it's just like a shooken camera. Because it happened so fast. i was like, they're like, did you get it? I was like, let's check your phone real quick, bro. Like, let's make sure that did you actually get it but But one thing I just wanted to say on that real quick is that, like, I know that Whitaker is your favorite, you know, like he's your guy, you know. Yeah. When he did that, I was like, I had full faith in him. i was like, Whitaker's got it, you know. Because no one else was able to do it. It happened so fast. no one else was able to, like, they were about to, like. But he knew.
01:10:16
Speaker
He knew. Like, as soon as all this stuff was happening, he was like, oh, I got to take a picture of the board, too. It wasn't even because because Robbie said someone take a a picture of the board, but he was already getting his like phone out. So it's like he was like they're on the same page. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck, we need this.
01:10:30
Speaker
And that you know what? That's something that we should drill into right now, because Whitaker has been more present on the show than Santos has been.
Whitaker and Santos' Dynamic Shift
01:10:39
Speaker
Right. But both of us have been talking about how Santos has been being teed up to be the next Robbie.
01:10:46
Speaker
Right. Do we like like this is like a larger plot out for the season. Is there maybe like a route where like Whitaker becomes the new favorite by the end? And it's some kind of like great embarrassment on Santos because like think about it. Santos has been the one who's been undervaluing ah Whitaker this entire series. Right.
01:11:07
Speaker
Maybe like in the end, Whitaker becomes like a huge respected force and like Santos is humbled in a way. And that's what all of this has been building to because a lot of this has been ah about stasis, right? It's been about coasting. And Santos has been the one who's been coasting and having the trouble keeping up the most.
01:11:27
Speaker
So maybe that's what all of this is building towards. I could see that being the case, and that would be really interesting. Like, what happens with that dynamic? Is she humbled, like you said, or does resentment grow? of like
Whitaker's Selfless Actions Analyzed
01:11:39
Speaker
you know It just it just feels feels really warm in the light of of of robbie so like Dr. So it's like if if you lose that favorite spot, especially if you weren't – it kind of feels like Langdon had that title for like ah a while. you know Like it wasn't – It wasn't just like they were playing hot potato with it. It was like, no, yeah, he saw Langdon come up, ah you know, and level up. And he was like, yeah, this is my guy. But Santos, it's just been like a year. So they almost might even be more raw to like just snatch it away from her. Like, nah, it's actually Whitaker.
01:12:13
Speaker
And an interesting thing, too, right, is that we both ah agreed that Santos is very close to Robbie, right, in terms of demeanor, in terms of, like, the way that Dacons dress, all of that stuff, right?
01:12:27
Speaker
Wouldn't you agree that Whitaker actually has a bit of Langdon in him? i Absolutely, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like, i feel like both of them have the same kind of like commitment to the to the point of like self sabotage, because like Whitaker will just like do things not just like within the patient's lives, but just within his personal life that will just like harm him personally.
01:12:52
Speaker
You know, and he will just take that on because it's the right thing to do. You know, and he's kind of
Ethical Implications of Whitaker's Choices
01:12:57
Speaker
like given up having any like actual time for himself. Like maybe there is this this is an actual relationship with with Amy. And this was a pregnant woman who lost her husband. And he's like, OK, bet. I'm going to like dedicate all my non-work time to the helping her around the farm and helping her get through this pregnancy. And then when I'm not doing that, guess what? I'm um on the street team. I'm helping the the unhoused. So Doug, so Doug.
01:13:23
Speaker
Okay, so let's take a step back for a second, right? Let's talk about that death doula again, right? Like, we're we're not talking about the death doula from the perspective of like, are they sleeping with the fucking mom, right?
01:13:35
Speaker
We're not talking about like the death doula. You said sleeping with the mom. was like, oh, that sounds pretty spicy. Right. But like I was saying that jokingly, but also possibly, you know what I mean? Right. But like at the same time, like what I'm getting at here is that like if that's what Whitaker is doing, right, if that's what it turns out to be, that like nothing that he's doing with the farm maiden.
01:13:58
Speaker
I'm calling her that sarcastically, by the way, I'm sorry, um is, ah you know, above the board. If oh what they're doing is just above the board. It seems iffy ethically. And and it's like on on the same level of like it's not a one to one is taking drugs from a patient, but it's on a level of like this crosses a line of professionality of professionalism. Like if
Questioning Whitaker's Motivations
01:14:23
Speaker
you're so if you're if you're like actually shacking up with a but like the wife of a patient, like just taking his role.
01:14:32
Speaker
Look at me. I'm the father now. This is just every noir from, like, the 50s through 70s, you know? Like, that that's just, like, what happened, would you know? you become another person.
01:14:44
Speaker
Exactly. that's That's why everyone loves Mad Men, you know? But um yeah I get what you're getting at there, you know? um and i and I see that san Santos is always...
01:14:55
Speaker
ah suspicious of people and she's usually right and she's looking at it from a perspective of like i don't want to see him get hurt like she actually did because she cares for him and she's like he's just a huckleberry and i love that robbie's like yeah he's our fucking huckleberry so it's like it's like i and yeah like you said she she was right about laying it like she's actually like a pretty keen like judge of these things always so it would But I'm like, what would Amy's angle even be? Because she's just like a grieving mother with a She's just... I mean, it seems like likely that even if she like did want that help from Whitaker, that's like reasonable that there would be some kind of emotional... attack like That she would you know start to to care for him. So like it's the hard to think of an angle where she's like purely just using Whitaker. ah but
01:15:47
Speaker
I don't know. i don't think that she is. i Like, if anything, I think that Whitaker is genuinely doing this. If anything, I think that may maybe the dramatic reveal is that there is no romantic entanglement, that he genuinely is just doing this. out That kind of seems
Whitaker's Old-School Values Speculated
01:16:02
Speaker
more like his deal of like there's just like complete selflessness of like – Yeah, I'm just doing it's just the right thing to do and he can do it. So he's like, OK, who else is going to do it?
01:16:14
Speaker
That's just kind of like their whole deal in the hospital. of Like there's no one else doing this. So we need to do it. and And that's why I brought up the death doula, because like, what is the difference between like him and what the death doula is doing?
01:16:25
Speaker
Right. Like at that point, like ah that's it's just not an official position where he gets paid and has a title, you know, like, but it's like he is he is providing additional home care after hours. Like, so it's like, yeah, yeah, he's still he's still helping like he's a helper.
01:16:45
Speaker
But at the same time, you know, throwing it out there, there's obviously very still on the table that that's what that is. Right. It could go. It could go either way. And even if it was like hanky panky going on, would have judged Whitaker. He's fucking human. So it's like that would fit. We were we watched fucking Dorf get a date.
01:17:05
Speaker
earlier a couple episodes right so like why would we be like so uh you know why would this be such a controversy well i i think it's because of the the baby and like the dead fight like that that's spicier than like the the the athlete was just a uh you know no strings attached you know like there's no baggage with him they're fucking is a person you know like no she has no will of her own she she can't she can't decide yeah that's what i'm getting at you know like if that's what she wants with fucking whitaker whitaker's an upstanding gentleman you know if that's what he wants i think i like i think you could do you could do way worse but for all we know he's better than your husband just just see that like deer in the head like a headlight look that he does like
01:17:51
Speaker
Like, oh, no, I can't write to it. Oh, you're the most beautiful woman I ever saw, ever did seem, you know, like that's that's the kind of like energy. Yeah. But he's probably like
Classic TV Storytelling Influence
01:18:05
Speaker
a I think we have to get married before we could have sex. Do you think do you think he's like that old school? He says it like that, like he's upset about it, you know?
01:18:14
Speaker
He's like, shit. He's like, i really want to. i really want to have sex with you. But I can't until we're in a legitimate union.
01:18:26
Speaker
like And then he gets out on one knee. he's like well Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. He's already got it in the back pocket. like he's And then she turns down. And then she turns him down.
01:18:38
Speaker
Exactly. Come on i like that you said me as if i you were a self-insert in that moment. like I am Whitaker. I became Whitaker for a second. I have phased into Whitaker. The pit writers, let us. we're not You guys are doing a great job, but like I think we got we got a lot of ideas.
01:18:57
Speaker
get on the phone, you know? Yeah. yeah It makes me really interested to know where the cyber terrorism thing is going. Yes. We totally skated by that. We have a million tangents on after that, but yes, if if it's just like, ah this is an additional hurdle, they have to go back to basics and it's going to be like a really, a true test. And we'll see like who comes out on the other end, like showing their worth or is because like, you know, The pit fest thing, there was the personal involvement, you know, because, you know, the Robbie had Jake. But I don't know how you do that with a cyber attack unless one of them knows the hacker. Like, it turns out that it all that was that was that was awesome. That was McKay's date.
01:19:44
Speaker
thought he was an athlete. He's actually the top hacker. Or it's the criminal the king the king was talking to who ran off, the one who was hitting on her Oh, that would be amazing.
01:19:58
Speaker
yeah he He had a hacker build. He was he was lanky. I saw that one arm was more muscular than the other. Yeah. um I would love it if like the, you know, like some some kind of cyber attack ah hit and it was a situation where they needed to hack through a code. And that's when they got Langdon to do the drugs, you know, like Langdon had to break through the the code, you know, and like he like his his fingers are typing really quickly. And and and they're going like Langdon, you know, as soon as he gets high. Yeah. It's like in Matrix Resurrections where even when Neo is blind, he can like see like just everything, like basically Daredevil vision. Like he can, he can like just sense the the connections and like Langdon's just like fucking savant. It's the last like 10 minutes of ah Lucy. It's, it's the entire runtime of Limitless, right? Yeah. Like it's, it's all of it, you know, like, like I want that from Langdon in this season.
01:20:59
Speaker
And then Robbie's just looking. He's like, maybe drugs are the answer. i mean Maybe drugs do make you better. He gets on his motorcycle and he's shoving that ah morphine into his neck.
01:21:12
Speaker
Because i'm not I'm not the ER expert, but did did his character have ah an addiction like plotline in and ER?
01:21:22
Speaker
ah You know what? I couldn't remember. Like, yeah ER, I watched yeah ER when it was coming out, you know, truth be told. Like, I like i watched some the earlier seasons when, you know, I could. But, like, that was one of those shows that, like, as early as I could remember, I was watching yeah ah ER. r And and i remember watching it again after that, too. I mean, it's crazy that I haven't watched, just, like, the cast of it. I'm like, this is this's fucking crazy. Like, how do I have an not watch ER? Yeah.
01:21:51
Speaker
ER is one of those shows that, like, everybody should watch one way through at least once. I would put, like, you know, Mad Men, Sopranos, Breaking Bad, ah you know, fucking. Like, if you're teaching a TV class, like, and that was, like, we would they would show scenes from that. Yeah. like yeah Yeah, yeah. Those, and depending on how esoteric you want to, mean, not even esoteric. I going to say Twin Peaks, but that's not even out there. Oh, that was what was going say next. Yeah. Because you don't even get to Lost without Twin Peaks. So, like, Twin Peaks is, like, pretty connective tissue.
01:22:26
Speaker
and then if you want to keep going back on that trail, be like, i actually have to do The Prisoner, the first, you know, the minis, because that's, like, that's the through line. And The Vigitant. And then you got to go back to the Twilight Zone. Always the Twilight Zone. It all needs to be an ever. All roads lead back.
01:22:44
Speaker
Even the pit is coming from the Twilight Zone. Imagine, if you will, a doctor who's so good, but is even better when he's on bed.
01:23:13
Speaker
You were beneath the bear. You're building that.