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The Pitt Season 2 Episode 11 w/ Jared Gilman
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Jared returns! to sit down with Doug and Tony and discuss what may be the juiciest episode of The Pitt yet. The show tackles one of its weightiest real world topics yet, does it stick the landing? Listen and find out!
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Hospital Chaos with ICE
00:00:15
Speaker
Okay, time for you to go. just having to chat when Spears here. You can see how busy this department is, right? You've been nothing but a distraction and a disruption since you've been here. I'm already short-staffed and I just lost five nurses and half my environmental services team because you walked in.
00:00:31
Speaker
You know, patients come in here for help, right? Because they're either sick or they're injured and documented or undocumented, they have a right to emergency care. TB, measles, fractures, none of it's getting treated because everybody's too scared to come in, but then they end up here anyway, but then it's too fucking late, so please, for the love of God, can you just go wait over there in the room with your detainees so I don't lose any more patients or staff?
00:00:50
Speaker
No problem, Doc. No problem, Doc.
00:01:03
Speaker
Yeah.
Introduction to 'The Pit' Podcast
00:01:18
Speaker
one two yeah but But we should introduce this podcast where these guys got juice and we're talking about the pit, baby. You're tuning into Q107, the pit, you know, and you're back with us, ah Doug and Tony. And we've got Jared again on to talk about ah the pit.
00:01:37
Speaker
Jared Gilman. Welcome back. Hello. Hi. Thank you again. Thank you so much for having me so soon after the last time. We had such a good time. Yeah, I had a great time, so I'm very happy to be back. And I hope the listeners also had a good time listening to me and are not like, oh, shit, not that guy. Oh, fuck. Whether it was because of us or not, we have...
00:02:02
Speaker
but impacted cultures. so I don't know. You got to bring this up, Doug. We talked about Kane and Lynch and are you brought it up,
Gaming Culture: Kane and Lynch
00:02:10
Speaker
Jared? And then I'm seeing posts about dog days on the timeline. and And I feel like Kane and Lynch is in the zeitgeist. We're going to get that movie. Finally, with Bruce. We will. Bruce Willis. Oh, God. Oh, my God. The fucking. Oh, my God. oh I was like, as a kid, I was a little I was low key, kind of like hoping it would happen. I was like, right. I wish I i don't think I know. Cause when I did the movie, I hadn't, I wasn't familiar with the games yet. I think it was like maybe a couple of years later is when I became a year or two later so when i I became familiar with them or at least found out about the the existence of like the movie happening. But anyway, yeah, I, so it's obviously like, you know, I never brought it up when I was shooting the movie
Challenges of Playing Older Games
00:02:56
Speaker
with Bruce. Right.
00:02:58
Speaker
Sadly. Well, Well, maybe because we talked about it, there'll be an an official release of the first because you can't download the for ah you if you have the physical ka and Lynch Dead Men, like you can play that like on whatever console. But like PC, you can't just go on Steam and download. Actually, actually. You're right, Jared. Yeah.
00:03:19
Speaker
Actually, i feel like I just kind of figured out that you can do it on Steam now. You can. Yeah. Oh, yeah. for the first one.
00:03:30
Speaker
there's a Second one. Yeah. Second one, too. But first one as well. i think I did kind of figure that out and then play a little bit of the beginning. just to go a little bit down memory lane, a play through a bit of it. ah But but yeah, the second one, I realized that the key was I had to turn off my Wi-Fi in order for to make it work. Oh, every time I'd launch it, it would like crash 30 seconds in And then I somehow figured out that, like, I just had to, like, turn off my Wi-Fi and then
00:04:07
Speaker
for some reason it would not crash i guess maybe because the servers are
Nostalgic Gaming Experiences
00:04:12
Speaker
permanently offline and so as a result it like fucks with the game and makes you think oh it's not gonna work and then going in without any wi-fi doesn't even do that search so therefore you gotta you got single player you're good i don't know Yeah, if you already own it, you can do that. And there you can buy it. I never use GOG or God. Oh, OK. Yeah. But like it's on. They have like older stuff that's like like the like OG Resident Evil's like you like. Right. Remakes like they have they have those. I feel like there was some other. Yeah, got to look on. I got to look at that place.
00:04:51
Speaker
Yeah, they seem dedicated to preservation, at least, of older iterations of the John Woo game that's like sequel to They wouldn't have Strickleholds. They wouldn't have Strickleholds. So this is where I'm cutting in here, because like I've got my PS3 just out of frame here. You know, like I still plug it in. still throw in the games. I still play them because. Yeah. Oh, by the way, Stranglehold was my introduction to John Woo as a person. I don't think would see when I was a kid. Maybe that game was like the first thing I ever.
00:05:21
Speaker
I think that I think i can't I was aware of that before I was where face off even, I think. Yeah, that that movie, that that game is very good. I will stand by. I've got it. I've got a PS3 copy of it right over there. like I love that younger.
00:05:35
Speaker
maybe I'm like wrong with my ages. Maybe I was like younger when I played because I know i was young. I was young. I was like really young when I played like that. And then I was around the same time as Ken Lynch. So. It's the same thing I was playing the game. I think i've played yeah or I or played at least that demo before Cannon Lynch 2 came out.
00:05:53
Speaker
For sure. Because like i think I was like already aware and, you know, playing of the games, at least before the second one came out. I remember, you know, getting Game Informer. i was a Game Informer collector. yeah. They were on the cover for. And yeah. And I remember I got had the issue where they were on the cover. i had, you know all that stuff yeah the playstation magazine you know with the dvds you know that would come i i never had a playstation as a kid so like i had a playstation 3 but that was in like middle school i think right you know i had an xbox that was the first uh 360 that was the first console classic you know had a had a wii that was really the first console i ever had was a wii when i was in like elementary school The classic for sure, but limited in scope for. And then I got like I got an Xbox and like fourth grade, fourth or fifth grade effective hunting tool.
00:06:53
Speaker
Fourth. You know what? It was when Modern Warfare 2 came out. It was that year. it was the year Modern Warfare 2 came out. was the year I got my Xbox. classic Classic game. yeah well Yeah, it was the classic. It was the classic. You get it at GameStop, and the employee whispers to your mom, make sure he skips that one chapter. and then your mom is like, all right, so you're going to skip that one chapter. And you're like, yeah. And then you totally...
00:07:18
Speaker
Definitely skip that one chapter like your mom and the GameStop employee says you would. You totally do that. You definitely do not play that that skippable chapter whatsoever. made the promise. As a kid when you're in like fourth or fifth grade or whatever year. Was that 2008? That was like 2009. Yeah. So, yeah. On that note, like I'll unlock a little memory of my own, you know, and people at home can
Blockbuster Memories and Age Restrictions
00:07:47
Speaker
enjoy this. So when I went to Blockbuster as a youth, you know, there were several times where I was in the same exact position, but more so for movies, you know, where I was trying to finagle my way into, you know, watching adult films.
00:07:57
Speaker
And ah like one of my favorite arguments I ever got into with a blockbuster employee was in 2009, I believe. It was when the girl with the dragon tattoo came out, the original one. The original. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and I knew about it already, you know, and I was just starting high school, you know, and ah the person who worked there was just like, he is too young for that. He's just like, oh, my God. Well, I mean, there's some heavy shit in that.
00:08:25
Speaker
Yeah, there's some heavy shit in that movie. and And then he was amazed when I was going back and being like, I know exactly what is in that movie. You know, and then how old are you again? Like this was probably I was 14, you know, 14. All right. Well, yeah, yeah, i think I think I was old enough, you know, like I think I was ready for it. And I was, you know, I did. not up I mean, I fucking I made the mistake of reading the parents guide when I was like too young.
00:08:52
Speaker
I was like, what the fuck? You know, like, ah. was like, you know, when it came out out, you know, I was like two like in 2008, 2009. So it was like, you know, fourth, fifth grade.
Sharing Birthdays with Celebrities
00:09:02
Speaker
I'm going to read probably a little too angry about that. But oops, that's fair.
00:09:07
Speaker
You know, but at the same time, like reading about it's a bit different. You know, you feel. Yeah. Reading about it's different than actually seeing it. Thank God. And for me, I was like, i was just like, I'm a big new me. Rapace fan. You know, I was that kind of, like you know, nerd, you know, where I was just like, let's yeah, get into it. Fun fact. We got the same. We were born on the same same day.
00:09:26
Speaker
December 28th. That's hell. Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. Big. All the people who share my birthday are leagues cooler than me. That's I wish I had someone who I could be like, oh, he's he he's he sucks.
00:09:42
Speaker
But I i don't. But you see it in like you're in the the group with with the great actors, you know, like it's you. And yeah, no, it's like I'm with Denzel Washington, Jesse Buckley, Stanley. oh fucking.
00:09:56
Speaker
ah um Fucking from Downton Abbey and Harry Potter. ah She died. all Maggie Smith. Maggie Smith. Yeah. ah Denzel was enough. You know, that the guy from Moonlight, the Andre Holland. Oh, shit. ah Fucking um the the James Foley, who I think you mentioned before, maybe.
00:10:25
Speaker
i feel like I was just talking about him. with Someone was it you guys. Yeah. Could have been. I forget. Sorry. The only the only famous guy I have is Flava Flav, you know, and like I'll take it. You know, yeah i got my I got a little I got a mini Flava Flav story.
00:10:42
Speaker
got a Flava Flav story. Go ahead. Yeah. He was doing red carpet interviews on the MTV's. Excellent. The year Moonraze had gotten the one nomination for best kiss.
00:10:53
Speaker
I was going to say that as a joke, but that's the no, literally, that's the nomination. and The only one I got. It's a very funny nomination for. Yeah. Yeah. And unfortunately, we maybe or fortunately, i don't know, if because I guess like if you win, you're supposed to recreate the kiss.
00:11:12
Speaker
we and Kara and I were both there, so I guess the idea is if we had one, we would have gone on stage and just like kissed in front of the crowd, even though the two of us were not in a relationship with each other. We you know we we were very professional about all that. Right. But...
00:11:26
Speaker
but ah
00:11:30
Speaker
Bradley Cooper and Jennifer Lawrence went for Silver Linings Playbook. Oh, but Jennifer Lawrence wasn't there, so they couldn't recreate the kiss. So Bradley Cooper kissed himself.
00:11:41
Speaker
yeah basically Yeah. Yeah. And I think he just apologized to the crowd did like a little like it's cool. This word exists type of type of speech. Maybe Michael Ian Black should have come out and they should have recreated the scene from Wet Hot American Summer. Perfect. Or like set Seth Rogen or someone or. Oh, but yeah, Michael Ian Black. Yeah, because, yeah, of course, of course. Yeah. I just remember when I was there, i briefly sat next to Seth Rogen and then like maybe like 10 minutes after I sat down, he had to get up to go do like a comedy bit and then they sat him somewhere else. But for 10 minutes. I sat like next to him and we we watched Macklemore perform, which is very that's surreal.
00:12:24
Speaker
That's amazing to to share the space of Seth Rogen to enjoy Can't Hold Us. That's a special moment. Oh, I think it was like thrift shop.
00:12:36
Speaker
Same era. Same era. You know, it's like one of those. It was like it was like that. And it was great because like I could see him like kind of like bump in like his his foot. Like he was like, you know, kind of going. was bobbing his head. He was kind of into it a little bit.
00:12:51
Speaker
Yeah. So my cat is on my lap for those who can't see. Oh, cool. How dare you? What's his name? His name. His name is Starry. Oh, sorry.
00:13:03
Speaker
He is adorable. He does not enjoy being held up like this, but he he tolerates it. Yeah, neither. He tolerates it. He's in between cats right now. I want to get in between.
00:13:18
Speaker
I hope you get a new one soon. Yeah, that's the the the goal is a hairless. That's that's what I'm working for. OK, yeah. I've never had a hairless one before, but that that seems like fun, like a sphinx type of cat.
00:13:31
Speaker
Yeah, so so technically, technically originated from Canada. Surprise, surprise. That's cool. But but also ah because of the way that their skin is, you know, they they leave stains, you know, so you have to wash them daily. So it's like stains. So it's like from their natural body oils, just like, you know, secretions from their skin. Yeah. Oh, wow. They sweat.
00:13:56
Speaker
yeah Every cat does. Right. But like it's caught up by their hair. Right. so it's like these these hairless cats, you know, because they don't have that, you know, it's like all greased. Wow. So exactly, exactly, Doug, you know, and so you got to take care of him. And you know what?
00:14:11
Speaker
That's exactly what it's like to watch the newest episodes of the pit. Wouldn't you agree? Good. You got it. Good. We were off the rails and you brought us back on. oh Yeah, that's what it is You know, you got to watch these. Yeah. You know, that's what it is. Yeah. but Yeah. but that That's it was a great episode. Podcast. Just rewatching it just now. Just like, holy fuck. It just like was all over. It's just like.
00:14:35
Speaker
Like the IMDb is like at nine point nine right now. You know, like it' it's it's it's one of the highest rated pit episodes, one of the highest rated TV episodes of all time. We're we're definitely reviewing a important episode of television, let alone an important episode of the pit. And yeah, although I have this feeling that it's going to be like the first of at least a couple that are like going to be just chaos. Because I feel like this is the next one's going to open, you know, with with with what's her name getting choked out by the golfer, dude. Insanity.
00:15:11
Speaker
That's like one of our craziest cliffhangers. I mean, well yeah, yeah. Let's just open there. Yeah. Don't continue. Yeah. Was Dana getting clocked? Was that like the end of an episode? Because i season one I did so. Yeah, that was. that was i guess in a way this is maybe a little bit of the equivalent, but that happened earlier in the season, I think. think that happened a little earlier. It wasn't in the middle of the ramp up, which like. Yeah, that was like midway three. That was like episode six or seven.
00:15:37
Speaker
Or so. This is yeah like to to get this at this time, right after she was such a big part of the rape victim.
00:15:47
Speaker
Right. To like have to have her go through all of that and then to have this happen. yeah And then also for if we're going to like zoom out a bit and talk about the pit in general, like how many times have women just been the victims to violence for men?
00:16:03
Speaker
Right. Like, like this is something that just keeps on coming up. I mean, it's a reality. It's sad reality. Exactly. Right. The thing, you know, and this show does such a great job of doing exactly that, just kind of putting that on display. Yeah. But but but there's something so shocking about the way that it's handled at the end of this episode where it's like in your face. Yeah. And you could argue that it's exploitative. But then, like, let's compare the last episode where we made it very quick.
00:16:34
Speaker
It's very quick, but then also like the end of the last episode was Roxy getting hit with the morphine that eventually kills her. Right. Yeah. and And this ending is so it's like it's like it's a new little trend of let's end the episode of with a thing against a woman.
00:16:51
Speaker
there's that and then it's also like a deep trauma you know yeah deep trauma that's about to be opened up i didn't think about it like that but that's that is fair that is fair because you're never gonna forget your first day where some patient just fucking grabbed you like that like and chocho chokehold like like that's right yeah even decide to keep working it there after that And she and like Doug on previous episodes, we've been saying like she's one of the MVPs, right? Like she's like a solid doctor throughout this whole season. Right. And to have her, you know, put in this position right at the end, it comes out of nowhere. You know, like it almost feels kind of cheap in a way where you're like, OK, why are you putting this at the end?
00:17:34
Speaker
But it's still effective. It's effective storytelling. And this season overall just seems determined to, like, what is the worst thing that could happen for each character? then we're going to make them happen. It's just, like, such an impressive, like, juggling of so many different characters, so many different cases, so many different, like, subplots or sort of, you know, things that are going wrong.
00:17:59
Speaker
i Especially just, like, the way that, like... This episode, it was like every other shot was like, you know, a transitionary shot going from one situation to another or getting interrupted by, you know, something, you know, just like no moment ever has the the the second to actually complete itself without getting interrupted by something even worse.
00:18:24
Speaker
And if the this episode, it's just one after the other. Well, to to kind of build off of that point in terms of the direction, you know, like usually with these previous episodes and as we've called out before, you know, like ah Noah Wiley and Sean Hatzel, you know, have directed episodes. Yeah. Wait, you did like its who did this one?
00:18:46
Speaker
I don't know their name offhand, but I know that they're just a TV director, you know, like they're more so. I'm not one of the actors. They did a great job of this one. For sure. Right. And and do you've got their IMDb open, right? They've done more episodes from the you show, right? For a chunk of the wire. Oh, oh that makes a lot of sense.
00:19:08
Speaker
Yeah. But. But but what makes this episode special to kind of like get back to the the meat of this is that, ah you know, like with a lot of those other episodes, there were many moments where like the the framing was what was most important, where it was like, OK, here here is an image where like the entire season could be encapsulated this way.
Storytelling Style in 'The Pit'
00:19:29
Speaker
We're at the point now where it's like every moment matters. Like this is this was a season where. OK, so the first season was such a lightning in the bottle moment where everyone was OK, this needs to like meet that moment in the second season. And this season has been so much about drawing things out to where now all of the payoff has to come in the last half. And the success of the season really does ride on how it pulls off this part portion of it. And so far, it's doing a great job. So far, it's nailing it. and And I have no reason to believe that it won't do that. But the reason I'm saying all of this now is because we're we're getting to this point where all this stuff has to be pulled off and we're getting these escalations that we didn't have before. We're having these people who are kind of coming undone. When we get this final reveal of this guy who's choking out Emma at the end, It's it's this laugh in the face is the spit in the mouth of like everything we've been seeing with these people. They're struggling so hard to get through these shifts. we were being told there's two hours left and there's five episodes left. Yeah. Something else is coming.
00:20:35
Speaker
Yeah, not over because the water, the water slide almost feels like a red herring in terms of like that. That, yes, they're getting people from that. But then they're most their biggest situation with a kid. This episode has nothing to do with that because you would suspect like all water side clouds are just it's going But again, that's I think I may I feel like I said something to the effect of just like my theory was that like they were going to go through a gauntlet of horrible things. fireworks have you know all the things that could go wrong july 4th wise like with fireworks i mean yes you got the one kid who blew his fingers off but like that was just kids fucking around like this that was yeah that was like a little tiny firework there could total yeah like a giant cherry ball show yeah like you know some some Lots of horrible things can still happen, sadly, that the show can do some amazing depictions of. And to break their characters with. What else can happen to make this the worst day?
00:21:36
Speaker
It's like going one layer further into the deep deeper and the pits of hell or whatever. Yeah. and So, like yeah. Oh, my God. bre Fucking Robbie in this with his like buddy who who's now got like Duke lymphoma, maybe or something.
00:21:52
Speaker
And so it's like so would that totally fuck up the the trip? Would he just not go on the trip if his buddy's got cancer or he says that wouldn't feel right to leave? Like, yeah, taking care of this. So he's like, can't I can't I can't die until I make sure you're OK.
00:22:09
Speaker
Yeah. This whole like death. thing that Robbie is doing, it's self-serving. It's egotistical. Let's all be honest, right? I don't think that he actually wants to die. I think that he wants people to recognize how good he is. and I mean, i mean, that shit's a tough life. I i think he does also want to die. Yeah. I feel like the but I would, you know, it's I'm like, there's no way like like I wouldn't want to. be if i You know, I'm like, if I was there, I'd want to. I don't know. I'd be doing. it so I'd be self-medicating. I'd be I'd be. You'd be pulling Langdon. I'd be pulling lots worse than Langdon or whatever. Yeah.
00:22:55
Speaker
the The reason I'm speaking of Langdon, his confrontation with Santos. Oh, incredible. Oh, my God. Yeah. We'll have to get into it. I just want to finish this Robbie thing. Sorry, sorry, sorry. No, no, it's all good. It's all good. ah but but But with Robbie, it's like he he's in a situation where obviously he's bubbling and it'll get worse as it continues, of course. Yeah. Yeah. But but at the same time, ah this whole like death crusade is on, you know. Oh, you know, Whitaker, you can stay with me. You know, oh, I'm closing up all these loose ends. You know, all this stuff is self-serving. He's not actually, you know, making people's lives better. He just wants them to miss him when he's gone, you know. So ah I think that he's going to get called on his bullshit before he kills himself. Yeah, there's going to be a dressing down for sure. Someone's going to call him out. I don't think they're just going to let him go on this trip without having some kind of final confrontation about it.
00:23:50
Speaker
yeah Whether or not they're successful, I'm just curious see how the show plays think they... I think I mean, like foregone conclusion, their success for a contractually set for life on that. I mean, I will put it right now. I'll put it right now. I'm good. All right. All right. Yeah, I'm good. And we'll see. We'll see it shakes out. We'll see shakes Yeah, I think like maybe what might be more likely is that whatever happens, I think whatever happens, it's going to affect his standing in the next season.
00:24:22
Speaker
Yes. Yes. Well, I definitely believe whether or not he lives or dies, he will become a ghost. I will say that, you know, like you're saying he is definitely going to be a a shell of whatever he was, you know? Right. And yeah, or he'll be haunting the ER r instead of being in charge of it. You know, exactly. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
00:24:43
Speaker
So so like that's the way I i feel about Robbie. He is no longer. He's just kind of like a downward spiral. You don't think there's any. Yeah. And yeah you you brought up Santos before, and and maybe this is a great way for us to segue into this. Because like I feel as though Santos is the person who feels the closest to Robbie in terms of temperament and way they should approach the hospital.
00:25:06
Speaker
Right. And I feel as though yeah it's like Santos. And then I guess there's like Mohan who's Mohan malhan's a little. It's almost like it's like protege, but not like Mohan should be the protege. But Robbie is the one who's keeping Mohan. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? Right. Yeah. know like He leans into her more. And you think that would be because he's like ah so hands on of like, you're no, you're my successor. I got to make sure you're. you I mean, then when like Ogilvy, you know, misses the thing and the guy's thing and then he fucks up and then instead of going to him, he goes to Mohan and it's like, this was year this was your fault. You should have been on the ball on this.
00:25:45
Speaker
Crazy. Which is just like, oh my God. Right after she had a yeah panic attack an hour ago. yeah it Like I like I've listened to other podcasts and stuff about the show. And one thing that's been I've heard being brought up is the idea that Robbie himself is misogynistic. And I'm actually, you know, kind of on board with some version of that. I'm not like I think like latently, like like it's like he probably has some like some pre predispositions or some like, you know, internalized stuff for sure, you know.
00:26:19
Speaker
Yeah, I can see. can see that. Because there's other people below him he could be taking this out on. But it's never he hasn't like exploded on Whitaker or anything. Exactly. He sat down with Whitaker and was like, hey, you should set some boundaries. I mean, I guess there's Langdon.
00:26:34
Speaker
Here are my key. Langdon, he just hates because of I mean, the thing is like. Both him and Santos have a reason to not trust Langdon. That's fine. That's legitimate. But also they're just closed off to the idea of like redemption and into because they think. they Well, I mean, on one level, like I get where Santos is coming from, which is something I. Talk about that ending. Like, we yeah, talk about that conversation, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Which is like.
00:27:04
Speaker
It's one of those like really painful things where where you feel for both sides of it, but you kind of understand where they're both coming from. and you kind of wish like you you kind of do, you know, you do kind of wish like he could have been more upfront about what what was actually going on. i guess it was although I'm trying to remember now, was he admitting to all the people that what he did or was he just saying that he had a problem with it?
00:27:30
Speaker
So so he definitely wasn't saying that he was. I remember he admitted he he said it's a Louis, though. He admitted it's a Louis. He did. He's been apologizing to specific people and like. Yeah. And he's been omitting things. And he has been. OK. So so what what I will say is like ah to kind of like not to both sides, you know, but no, no I mean, I think that if anything, this is a kind of a fair show to both sides. It's OK. Santos says like new people. Right.
00:27:56
Speaker
And I don't think that's true at all. Like, OK, there's more than it's a little more than three. All right. She's minimizing. Yeah, she's lowballing him. All right. For sure. and And I feel like even the people who know and the people who are like that, even Santos may not know who know. feel like those people are just kind of going like, let's just, you know. Yeah. You know what I mean? like Yeah. Because it's also it's also it's it's like. it's It was Benzos for personal, physical pain.
00:28:25
Speaker
It's not like there was a it's not like was real that, you know. Yeah. You know, it's not like he was. It's not, you know, recreational. Pull that card. Do you think that I'm going to go like, well, he needed it, you know, like his back was in so much pain and, you know, maybe you should lay off of it, you know? there's already the bit in this episode where he's holding the kid. He puts the kid down. he' is clearly in pain.
00:28:48
Speaker
So I don't know angle that of like, I don't think obviously they're not going let him take Benzos because he is in pain. But like there might be a thing of like, you know, they well they would. die Yeah. But like there might be the thing of of like where where someone has like a thing to Santos like, come on, they're working. He's working the pit.
00:29:09
Speaker
you're going to judge him for trying to get through the pit. but Okay. it will not Not to minimize what he did, but not to minimize the issue, which is a big issue. What he did, but also they did. Was he, he was kind of over prescribing just so he would take, So there would be enough for him to take like he was. The patients themselves weren't getting less medicine. So what he did that much worse than last episode, Dana wrote, I guess maybe because it's like he's taking more from the hospital's reserves than then he needs. Yeah.
00:29:42
Speaker
Maybe. He's I know, I know, I know, I know. But like in their eyes, in their eyes, you know, it's it's like really what the patient, not the doctor. It's for the patient, not the doctor. But, but but you know. wasn't even talking to all the...
00:29:56
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's so, you know, it's just like, unless there were moments where he legitimately was being a worst actor as a result of the Benzos. We didn't see that. I don't remember the first season well enough. to No, he was he was crushing it. I mean, there's moments in hindsight where you're like, he's on something because when he was like spinning in a chair for Jake, you know, Robbie's like not stepson that they were like, he like seeing how much he could do it for. it I'm like, yeah, he's like tweaking on something around. Yeah.
00:30:26
Speaker
Normal people don't do that, but also at the same. Yeah. I'm glad that I gift exists, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like doing the thing on the chair. Yeah, that's right. ah But but then where we're at with the season, right? Because like with with the way that the last episode ended, you know, it was kind of almost setting up like, ah oh, maybe Mel and Langdon have a thing going on, you know? and And then it was more so just like, no, we're just going to talk more about more about Becca this episode. Exactly. exactly Right. To kind of just go like seeing Becca as their own person, which, you know, i wouldn't say, you know, like I'm not saying this to be like, was ahead of the show. But like when she was coming in and, ah you know, Mel was going like, oh, you know, like you're my sister. And then she's like, well, no, my name is Becca. You know, like call me Becca. Yeah. I feel like they made that stuff really overt. Right. And it was like kind of like by this point was like, yeah.
00:31:22
Speaker
And the fact that Mel didn't even get that by that point after numerous remarks, it's like, yeah, well, I mean, I think well yeah Mel's clearly on the spectrum as well, but I guess hasn't been diagnosed. Right. Is that i feel like she knows? I feel like she's like she knows and she's like, you know what I mean? Like just and has it just hasn't been prescribed the level of care like her sister. Yeah. So but it's like it's a thing of where where she got like such tunnel vision about being there for her that she didn't see any of the signs that the sister was like sufficient on her own had her own people you know had a therapist that she told even more private details you know
00:32:07
Speaker
Earlier in the season when they were talking, she had brought up the fireworks earlier when she was on the phone with Becca and was saying like, yeah, we'll go see the fireworks afterwards. And she doesn't like respond really. Or they like change the subject or maybe Mel has to or something. It's one of those. Yeah. She's like, oh, she doesn't know about Adam.
00:32:27
Speaker
OK, whoops. Yeah, I got. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The fact that like that's the yearly plan and she got iced out of the yearly plan. Yeah. That's It's sad. And she watched Elf so many times. Yeah. for what? and for what? For nothing. Just like literally wait. You know, it's like she could have been doing any anything, but also like I didn't. You know, I get that. kingdom Kingdom is the long game. I think that's still on the table. I don't think we've negated the possibility of of it. I don't know that I, you know, necessarily what that, but it could happen. You know, he sounds like his marriage isn't in the best shape. Yeah, that was.
00:33:09
Speaker
I mean, again, people were, were again, and we were clocking it, you know, last week and and a lot of people were kind of clocking it that that his marriage was probably on the rocks. ah So the confirmation this episode is maybe a little bit funny, but but, you know, we feel bad, but it's like the way he it, the way it came out, all that was kind of funny. When he's having the argument with Santos and he goes, hey, I almost got divorced. I almost got divorced. Yeah. there there I almost lost my kids. A bad thing almost happened to me. Yeah, it almost happened.
00:33:45
Speaker
But it did. Yeah. you know, like, yeah and that's the implication. Right. And it's like there is such a snobbery that comes with that. And like, I love Langdon. I think that he's yeah my favorite character. But to love Langdon is also to hope that he suffers in my mind. You know, like I i feel as though like it's ah is a give and take kind of thing. And with this kind of conversation that we've talked about and talked around, I feel like both of them are in the right in certain respects. And Santos is totally justified in terms of like, you know, having this. ah
00:34:17
Speaker
I guess like a passive aggressive, like, you know, aggression to against Langdon because of ah what how she should be able to look up to him. she He should be her superior. But like this thing has broken her trust so much. The interesting thing to me is Alishimi seeing that from across the room. Yeah, yeah I'm very curious to see you what the follow up conversation is going to be with her and those which side she lands on. Yeah, yeah.
00:34:46
Speaker
It could go either way in my mind, you know? she Yeah. She used her phone and she asked Chet GPT what she said. She's using her phone as mobile hotspot. Yeah. yeah Hilarious. God.
00:35:02
Speaker
Sam Altman comes to the hospital. Imagine, though, imagine they do kill off Robbie and then she becomes like the head doctor whatever with her AI shit. then it becomes the AI pit.
00:35:15
Speaker
Come back the next season, they have like augmented like cybernetics and stuff. Yeah. the The next season comes and Alishimi is like in a chair, right? She's just kind of like laid back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. and there's just kind of like a robotic mechanism that's carrying. Yeah, no, because it's like this season ends with like with a horrible like event happening at the pit that results. You know, Robbie loses his mind, brings a gun to the pit and then and then. Shoots himself.
00:35:44
Speaker
ah Or, you know, he shoots wildly and a bullet hits alishimi in the hip and then renders her lower, you know, renders her paralyzed from the waist down. And then she's on a wheelchair. But she's the. Yeah, it's like met Madam Web. Robbie's now dead and she is. She's on the wheelchair making calling the shots. Mm hmm. L.S.E. Me connects with them all. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense. Yeah.
00:36:13
Speaker
I'd watch it. i'd I'd buy that for a dollar. But um third season sci-fi turn. I'm ready for it. I did see one comment that I i think on twitter ah Twitter of the idea of the third season being night shift on Halloween.
00:36:34
Speaker
And there's that sounds awesome. And it would have to be Jack Abbott, right? you'd Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's a night shift guy. Yeah. And you need to bring it like up like ah I feel like you'd have to bring over some of the doctors from the original. Yeah, theyd yeah they find ways to have crossovers and cameo or Dr. Javadi, you know, just like, like you know, like one those, you know.
00:36:58
Speaker
ah but But yeah, no, I would totally be down for like a Halloween themed pit. That would be perfect. and A regular doctor show that goes on and then midway through it, a zombie outbreak happens. they should do that I mean, i mean i know like house will have funny things happen on the show that like, you know, are like fantasy ask things. i didn't get as far into it to get to that stuff that I but but I know it gets there.
00:37:27
Speaker
I think. Yeah, I've seen scenes of that are just like fantasy, like kind of like how JD Scrubs will have like daydreams and stuff that are like different playing with different. I never watched Scrubs, so maybe there's a zombie thing on Scrubs. I don't know. was i don't think If I'm being honest.
00:37:44
Speaker
Like, like if I'm thinking about hospitals, there's a zombie thing on fringe. There was a video game zombie show on French. Yeah, that's not a hospital show. That's just like, you know, sci fi. That's like X-Files. record I love f French post night. I did too. I got to say when I was in Cannes, when I was in Cannes, I got to meet Joshua Jackson for two seconds. That's cool. And in those two seconds, I was like, I really love French. And then was like, thanks, man. I really enjoyed your movie. maybe i really want to see your movie something. Something, you know, and then and then immediately I got whisked away to go do the thing. And I was like, fuck, I wanted more time. want to, you know, break his brain about I want to ask more fringe questions. Yeah. Yeah. What's his take on the last scene? Yeah. I forget if the last season had even come out by then. I think at that point the show was still on. Like, I think it was like I forget when it ended. When did that show end? Was it like 2014? It is had it pulled up Yeah, if it was 2013, then yeah, before then I met him before the show ended.
00:38:46
Speaker
Yeah. Joshua Jackson, Canadian legend. I just wanted to shout him out because there was movie did in 2008 called One Week. If you guys have never seen that. I've not seen it. It's been.
00:38:59
Speaker
One week. Bare naked ladies again. Canadian legends. um But guys are everywhere. yeah Multiplying the pit. The motorcycle movie.
00:39:12
Speaker
ah Yes, exactly. it's It's one of those classic, you know, like. You know what you're getting when you read the premise, you know, but it's well done, you know. Cool.
00:39:24
Speaker
um But yeah, the the pit, ah the Santos Langdon conversation, i feel like we got to dig more into it a bit because there's there's a lot of, you know,
00:39:36
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I feel like, you know, there's obviously the conversation happened online, whatever you put that in a box. This is just like one of those situations where it's like no party is correct or incorrect. They both have their own points. And I i understand where they're coming from. And like personally, um i think that Santos could maybe, you know,
00:39:56
Speaker
understand that like there's nothing that they can do and like that's something that they have to understand like that's the only thing that I come at this whole thing yeah although at this point they've all they've gone through that the whole charting thing exactly they've had a really shady day so they're probably out of fucks you know like I'm happy she was able to just say that to him yeah like I feel like great that was important you know yeah And, you know, maybe it's pushes him to to even further just like its own, you know, be honest with everyone. Will she take him up on the challenge and everyone he hasn't told he does tell because he wants to prove that this is legitimate? Because that's the thing. Like, I do i do buy that this is legitimate, that he is trying. Yeah, I do, too. yeah and again, that's why it was like a, you know, painful conversation to watch.
00:40:52
Speaker
Because it's like you ultimately want to see them make up and then just like be chill with each other. Because they're the same. They're like two. Yeah. Two good doctors. It's like they should be, you know. But yeah, he did do a shitty thing technically. And she got him out on it. Supposed to be illegal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:41:14
Speaker
ah she caught him out on it and she feels like he didn't pay enough consequences for it. You know, it's just it's one of those things. But but then it's also the question of like, it's not up to her to make those decisions, right? Like, it's not. No, but I guess it's the thing where, like, she feels like anyone else would have been gone through the ringer in a way that he was absolved because he got. Yeah, he's a special, you know, special doctor person. For sure.
00:41:45
Speaker
And I guess she just doesn't feel like he deserves that. Well, it's no because Robbie, he he was Robbie's seek a special little boy, you know. in Exactly. So like now she's the new favorite and like she's like, I actually earned my position. You just fucking drug you over. Yeah.
00:42:06
Speaker
Like you you shouldn't even been here. But but then the question is also like it does. Robbie see Santos the same way. A right. And then B like is. um Is Langdon's ah affliction going to stop his future? Right. Because like while Robbie is the person right now and like Santos can lean on him right now and in this day, he's going to be gone on this trip. And like if he's going to be gone forever, as you know, some people may say,
00:42:41
Speaker
who's she going to be left with? Alishimi and everybody else. And Alishimi seems to like Langdon, you know? So it's like she's putting herself in a very poor position in that sense. But yeah in the context of this conversation and what the right thing to be done should be, like it goes back to this whole thing about like doctor shortages, right? You know, like how many people are left and like who can be, you know, kept on to the service.
00:43:12
Speaker
I don't think it's right. I think that it like to have a Langdon on, that's a conflict of interest almost, you know? So it's like to have that kind of character, it's like I almost like totally agree with Santos where it's like, you know, everything that should happen to him should happen to him.
00:43:29
Speaker
Right. But then. But also she's being a cop and she should stop. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, she is. She's an arc. So that's what I mean when I say that I'm a Langdon head like yeah and want him to suffer because ah it's like I agree with all of that. But at the same time, like I love to see him try to maneuver, you know? So it's like, ah you know, it's so tough. and And at the end of the day, like.
00:43:57
Speaker
I feel like Langdon's going to get away with it. You know, think Langdon is more in the right than Santos is. And he's a white guy. Unfortunately, you know what I mean? Like, although he can't always get that divorce. That could happen. It almost happened. So it could. I feel like it already did. It probably isn't. And he wanted to save face. He didn't want to say, I got that. I almost did. Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:25
Speaker
I feel like he's waiting for the right, like he's waiting for the fireworks with Mel. You know, that's what it's going to be. yeah Because if he told people that, they'd feel sorry for him, and he doesn't want that.
00:44:37
Speaker
Nuh-uh. Nuh-uh. and entirely joking. Who knows? We don't know. It's possible. I saw somebody on Twitter post the other today where they were like, ah they had seen a couple of episodes ahead. Like they had seen the finale and they were like, a certain ship had been confirmed and, and people were just like, Oh, losing their minds. So it's like, just army have littleteral possibilities sorry, there's going to be a literal ship, like a boat shows up. Yes.
00:45:06
Speaker
Personally, i hope it's Mohan and Abbott. Ooh, that sounds good. would be funny if it's actually just like Santos and like the... Langdon.
00:45:20
Speaker
No, no, no, no, no. Oh, God, who's the other doctor? who she She kind of got rejected by... Garcia. Yeah. yeah No, no, Garcia. That would be really funny if it's just like it's like that. Yeah, it's like that's not even a ship. Those are characters who got rejected. Yeah, yeah's it's like... It's like framed as like, this is your one true love. And Garcia is just like, I don't want to eat ramen in bed.
00:45:44
Speaker
You know, like that's that's a no, she does want to eat ramen in bed. She doesn't want to talk about laying. Oh, God, no, actually, it would be funny if it was her and Langdon, though.
00:45:57
Speaker
a He does go around. He just he does like a full on like he gets a blow horn or speakerphone or whatever. He's like, guys, I stole drugs.
00:46:09
Speaker
I stole a lot of benzos and they fired me for it. And he's got a boom box. That's what happened. Yeah. look Yeah. He's wrapping it. Like, yeah, Warren Beatty and Bulwark, you know, like that's what it'd be like. Yeah. Which I ended up watching because the whole thing. and That movie. oh hell yeah hell yeah. I turned around on it. I do enjoy it now. Yeah, it's great. i mean, you were gearing me up for like death, the smoochy level. i was. It's better than that.
00:46:39
Speaker
It's better than that. It's a lot better than that. Yeah, not to besmirch Death the Smoochie all that much. And I know it's not everyone's cup of tea. I get that. It's not it's it's sort of like kind of a wild mess of a movie. ah But like, Bullworth was actually just like ton of fun. And I know you already did the thing about it. I won't go on, but I just, so it was a great movie. loves the performance. And ah I was just like laughing my ass off. i think the whole time. So funny.
00:47:12
Speaker
Yeah. I didn't know because think the thing is I didn't know that the whole movie he was having like a bad mental health. He was just having like a really bad. Yeah, like he was like literally at the end of his past the end of his bro kind of thing. Like I didn't know that was where the rapping spawned from. i thought it was like he was just like, I don't know. That's what's cool. But no, no, no. He literally was like losing his mind. And then that was what.
00:47:40
Speaker
I was like, oh, my God, less cynical because it's like not a calculated thing. Yeah. Yeah. And then ultimately what he's saying, he's you know, he's saying a lot of get you agreeable. Pro-socialist. Yeah. He's li literally just it's it's like like it's I guess, you know, if if Reds is the tragedy, i don't know if tragic. Reds is a tragedy. ah Then then um and this was the first, you know. Yeah. and you You totally get what i'm Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:12
Speaker
Which I still got to see Reds. That's why i said I started that with a question. Reds is a perfect one. It's a tragedy. it's a tragedy Saying it's a tragedy is fair. is. 100%. Awesome. Yeah. Awesome.
00:48:24
Speaker
I want to see it. I know a lot of it. I just haven't. I haven't. It's one of those. It is. It's it's it's one of those great like ah love triangle, deep, tragic romances. It it like it that's one of those movies that like it's three hours, but like it earns the runtime. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind kind of unbelievable. It's it's an unbelievable movie. It's it's Warren Beatty's best movie.
00:48:47
Speaker
It's just, you know, it's also just like, you know, surreal to see like a big, big ish movie with like very overt pro socialist sort of sentiment.
00:48:59
Speaker
Especially at a time where people would have been so – that came out in 96. 96. Yeah. Yeah. So people would have been pretty complacent or happy with Clinton and like the current Democrats and then to be like, no, even the Democrats don't like black people. Yeah, even the Democrats don't really care about you Yeah.
00:49:19
Speaker
ah I'm going to totally hijack this conversation. Yes, please. And what I'm going to say is – OK, so like –
00:49:29
Speaker
like I'm going full on, like I'm doing a whole Hail Mary right now. Right. Project Hail Mary. Yeah. yeah You're right. Exactly. Call me Ryan Gosling. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Look at me, you know, look at all the in lens effects I've done, you know, um but space. That's real fire behind you.
00:49:48
Speaker
No, actually, that's an LED that's made to look like fire, actually. that's what that you fooled me. i totally thought it was real. Yeah. But but ah the the director I had brought up when we were talking about ah Bullworth before on the previous podcast, you remember Tim Robbins. brought ah Bob Roberts. ah Yeah, Bob Roberts.
00:50:15
Speaker
Yeah, I'm putting this on Mike right now. ah I think that Cradle Will Rock, if we ever wanted to do an episode on Cradle Will Rock, a Tim Robbins film. Yeah, still got to see that.
00:50:27
Speaker
That's the secret leftist good shit, you know, like if you like, do do you guys know Bob Roberts is fun, though? Do you guys know the cast of Cradle or Rock? look I forget. i hold on. Was in the running. i was in the running to be in a Tim Robbins directed movie, and I even had like a Skype with Tim Robbins for that. Sounds amazing. OK, so like yeah can you tell me what that conversation was like?
00:50:52
Speaker
It was surreal. I had seen Shawshank at that point. Right. Not Bob Roberts, though. I wish I had seen Bob Roberts, but I was a little young for it. Arguably the better film.
00:51:05
Speaker
I love Shawshank. I love that movie. Personally, that's how I feel. But also, it's been many years since I've seen Shawshank, but anyway. It was this movie, it was like sort of like a dark...
00:51:22
Speaker
Like a a family dramedy, dark comedy... kind of thing. Tim Robbins was directing it. And then also, I think he was going to act in it. I think he was playing the dad. And when I was in college, i went to new New York Film Festival and he was there. I saw him. I didn't say hi, though. I didn't say anything because it was so fast when I saw him walk by and he was how he had kind of like an entourage of people with him. And it would have just been really awkward in front of a whole group of people would to be like, Hey Tim, remember me? you Remember we Skyped one time, like years ago? right Remember a movie you never ended up making?
00:52:03
Speaker
You know, but a little awkward, probably. But so now, you know, just bring your own entourage for the next time, you know, the Tim Robbins is around, you know? Yeah. big dog I got I have an aunt. I got that. I got that. I can. I got. Yeah. It's my my entourage. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. There's turtle and the other. I haven't watched much on the right. I don't want to watch it either, but like, like I am not even talking about the show, but just like a group of people. no I was just creating one for you. That was the characters. a i Right. Yeah. Yeah. But I couldn't name enough.
00:52:42
Speaker
Ari Golds, the guy. No, no. No, here's here's what will happen. Doug and I will come on the transit, you know, kind of like the warrior style, you know, like you'll you'll yeah you'll be a montage, you know.
00:52:54
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. There you go. Yeah. Oh, going back to the pit, though, I feel like we have we got to go. We got it. We got talk about the ice plot. Of course. We haven't said a word about the ice plot. I feel like people are going to mad at us for not saying a word about the ice plot until like 55 minutes into this. Get mad at us. What the hell? Come on. Guys, why didn't you talk about that first? We told he talked to about important stuff. like he just going it yeah I mean, you know, just like at the outset, just to be, you know, get our, i'll get the fuck ice, you know, energy and ether.
00:53:27
Speaker
Yeah, let's get it out on the on recording everybody's gotta do their man of the day to fuck ice, you know like fuck ice abolish ice Yeah, but you get it out of the get out of here.
00:53:39
Speaker
But that shit put that over fucking dumbass Nazi police. They're just fucking with guns Don't like I can get him out of here.
00:53:51
Speaker
Don't want him get him out. I want him. Yeah Fuck Big, big, big no sign. That's the way I feel about him. It's like it's one of those things where I'm like, gone and take them maybe if I'm like at the end of my rope, I just I join them to do a little friendly fire. And that's how I leave this plan of existence. You know, whatever. Fuck it. You know, mission accomplished. Yeah. George W. Bush said.
00:54:15
Speaker
Like, why hasn't that happened yet? Why haven't some are there been friendly fire incidents where people were just like at the end of the rope, just been like kamikaze, just like fucking, you know, fuck you guys. You know, like, Jared, horrible, horrible thoughts right now. But no, no, it hasn't gotten bad enough is the unfortunate thing that I'll say It hasn't gotten bad enough. They were close to it, but it has not gotten to that point yet.
00:54:41
Speaker
Yeah. Mm hmm. It's a situation where it's like, you know, ah people's comforts are still accessible. Yeah. Oil has their phones and posts. and Not even that. Not even that. They have the Doritos, you know, yeah they can go to the gas station. They get by a little thing. Well, gas is now going to be, you know, now you see where I'm getting at. Speaking of gas stations, you start taking that stuff away.
00:55:10
Speaker
and That's when the issues become greater. Mad Max wasn't even an originally nuclear war. It was just a gas crisis happened in Australia. Went crazy. You're nailing it, Doug. You're nailing it.
00:55:21
Speaker
um but But on this ice note from the pi episode that we've been talking about. So there have been some things out of both sides.
00:55:32
Speaker
well Well, one thing that I've read about this episode actually is that one of the writers said that they wish that they went further with it. And I actually agree with them. yeah and and yeah and And on that note, one thing I'll say is that like Robbie is just kind of like, let's go through the procedures and then only steps in once it reaches a boiling point.
Further Hospital Chaos with ICE
00:55:53
Speaker
And personally, i would have preferred if Robbie just never accepted them in the first place. Like personally, like if we're going to be, I can kind of, but I kind of get where he's going because the way that they're setting him up throughout this season is that he's like kind of throwing in the towel ah bit. He's so just like fucking done that. He's like, he's just going to revert to procedure. He's not going to get hours. yeah i got Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's kind of how i was reading that situation. so i was like, you know, what Robbie can't be perfect. He's and he a fucking, you know, he's an asshole sometimes. And I like that they let them be in perfect hypocrites. Yeah. Because like, they yeah, they want to help everyone as much as they can. Unless, you know, for him. and and Because he's also just trying to get he's trying to get everyone moving. He's trying to get them out of the hospital as fast as possible. So he's thinking, all right.
00:56:41
Speaker
just stick to the thing and then they get they leave so I can get someone else. You know, that he's not he's not thinking really about, you know, Ice and this woman and her family and the situation and everything. ah And the fact that they probably just shoved this lady and caused the the problem in the first place.
00:56:58
Speaker
They say it took a nasty tumble down the floor. Don't even say, like, she's not a person. Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to like, ah yeah, get it. Get out of here. I wanted to to show them. Yeah. You know, and then like literally the one the the one nurse just like does a little bit of that and then they put him on the floor immediately.
00:57:18
Speaker
Oh, Jesse. You know, yeah Jesse, Jesse. Yeah. I mean, realize they might have just shot him like. Yeah. and that's That's like that's like the thing. That's like the thing, you know, where we're like, obviously, this is the the TV show Ness of it steps in.
00:57:32
Speaker
They're not going to just opbe out and out shoot a member of the pit in the hospital, even though we have evidence video wise that these people, you know, can and have viiously mer resort well resort to using their guns just because they can't.
00:57:49
Speaker
And yeah. Unfortunately, you know, like all that stuff in Minneapolis happened like months ago, you know, like a weekend, like a month and a half ago, you know? And like, I'm not saying that to diminish, you know, their attempts, but I'm also saying like, you know, I imagine that they were like beholden to like some kind of studio note where they're like, oh, we got to be, you know, a bit more neutral on this because we don't want upset people.
00:58:17
Speaker
But at the same time... I mean, I feel like they were pretty. Yeah, exactly. I can't say that. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, they were neutral in the sense that it did feel like it felt true in the sense that, yeah, ISIS presence is going to be shitty. It's awful. And they're a nuisance and they shouldn't exist.
00:58:35
Speaker
yeah You know, that's neutral. yeah Neutrality is anti ice. That's kind of the thing. You know, right. Like that's like you're either neutral or you're pro ice. Anytime any if you're trying to do like a both sides where where they come across as sympathetic as the people they are victimizing is not, you know, that's not neutral. One hundred percent.
00:58:57
Speaker
So it's like that's they were being basically as honest, I think, as they could. It's like, yeah, we're representing both sides of this in the sense that, like, yeah, we're representing the the awfulness of the other side. We're not trying to say that both sides are equally as in the right, I think. And that's maybe what people were like afraid of.
00:59:16
Speaker
True. True. Yeah, I mean, they were unambiguously evil. You there's like one wants to hurt people. ah There's also, you know, the people they're doing it to. And it's it's like it's like they take away the nurse after Robbie is complaining to them about the fact that they've already lost doctors and nurses because of the fact that they're just there. True.
00:59:37
Speaker
Like, if you know, it's like they don't give a shit about the the destruction the destruction they've caused already. They just want to take in as many people, fill up the quota as much as they can so they can earn their big fat fucking paycheck. You know, I got kind of scared when he said there's some of the staff left to the agent because was like, don't tell them. Because they are. the Yeah. Back or look. Yeah. There.
01:00:04
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well But again, he's just like unloading because he's frustrated. He doesn't you know, he doesn't have that thing that's like, think about that. That's the thing I'm worried about for the rest of the season where it's like, yeah, well they're going to be a factor. Well, like what if the ice agents come back? right Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:21
Speaker
But like we're wondering about like how long this season is going to continue with all these people's shifts ending within the next hour. ah too it's like Yeah, it's like the shifts are supposed to end in two hours, but but there are five episodes, so, you know, they're going to get extended.
01:00:36
Speaker
Yeah. And it's what it's it's the thing of like, is it is it is there going to be a major, major thing or is it A death via a thousand cuts. It seems to be what's sort of been happening in these last few episodes with the show. True. Where it's just like one major, minor thing after another, where it's just like for each individual person, a major thing. But it's not like a mass casualty event in the way that this season is going to end with Mel just watching Elf by herself.
01:01:05
Speaker
Damn, it could. If one 65th time couldn't hurt. and Maybe she's watching it for me or or she just watches another movie.
01:01:17
Speaker
They're going to die hard. Yeah. Yeah. It's another Will Ferrell. She can't go that far off. shes She watches. she watches a Land of the Lost.
01:01:27
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There you go. no so Classic Will Ferrell film. Yeah. She goes like a few years, six years ahead.
01:01:35
Speaker
Damien. You've never seen that one? No. That was one of the first movies that I watched with my parents where my parents hated it so much that we like turned it off midway through there.
01:01:50
Speaker
That's a fair. I wasn't. in I also was like not finding it that funny at the time either, even as a kid. But I feel like. I don't know. Maybe as an adult getting really stoned wouldn't hurt. Danny McBride's in it, so he's going to be able to do something. Yeah, Danny McBride's it. love his TV work. I love Eastbound, Vice Principals, and Righteous Gemstones.
01:02:15
Speaker
I watched Your Highness when I was a kid. Didn't really like it all that much, but I haven't gotten back to it. um doesn't hold well yeah you're not gonna find much in james franco well i was gonna say one half of the comedic like i i wonder who's doing the heavy lifting yeah yeah i forgot it's it's franco in that yeah but uh But, you know, I love his the TV stuff. Hope he does a good show. It was a little disappointing hearing the AI thing. i think he, like, and was investing. or you said some
01:02:50
Speaker
he He's one of those celebrities that got caught up in the AI thing, I think, ah which is a little disappointing. Okay, hey, we got talk. How do we feel about this Connor O'Malley? The... Oh, God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesus Christ. People were like a little annoyed with me online for the mild criticism that I was just saying that I missed when he wasn't using AI.
01:03:15
Speaker
It's like, you know, he's a funny guy. It was like, I will say I have found Pipe Rock very funnier overall the new one. Oh, yeah. But like, you know, there are still bits in the new one that were like, all right, OK, it's funny. But it's just like...
01:03:32
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You don't even need it. I'll just say it. Like, why do Yeah. You don't really need it. The people who are fans of Connor O'Malley right now are acting like fucking big old babies. They're acting like fucking, you know. a fan his. But the thing is, is that they think that we're acting like babies. Exactly, right? And that's like the annoying thing. But the same thing, Jared, right? Yeah.
01:03:56
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We do nothing, you know, like that's the best part about this is we do nothing and and it will only turn out better for us because like he will lean into this more. Right. It will only make him work worse. Right. And it will just keep into you going down that route. like I hope. But that but the thing is is, it's like I don't want that to happen. I want him to be better. Because I like his fan bases, his fan bases like openly going like we appreciate that, you know? So it's like they're like all of those people are going to do that. Right. All of the people who are supposed to be like, you know, like important. He's like he's thinking like all the people that love me, love the ass stuff. I'm going to just keep doing the ass stuff. And it works. It works. You know, the cultural critics who have been like cheering him on in this point are going to have to reach an impasse and be like, do am I going to have to keep supporting this because I like this guy or just a matter more to me. And some of those people are going to just continue going with him. And they already have, you know, but at the same time, it's like.
01:04:56
Speaker
You know, at the end of the day, i will say, I think I did find my i did find my line, i think, last week with regards to A.I. Afro man. He's also like a mag of chud, though, kind of. He is. Yeah, I didn't know that. Oh, shit. I didn't know about that.
01:05:15
Speaker
Yeah. So it's like I OK, I just really was following this single sort of incident that was going on with him. He met with Trump once. He did. Yeah.
01:05:27
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I was kind of hoping all the American flag stuff was like ironic, you know, was like, yeah, like a commentary, you know? Yeah. I was hoping. No. Even after all this, he's a Trump guy. He's a Trump guy.
01:05:41
Speaker
What the fuck? Yeah. You look into multitudes, I guess. A lot of reaction right here, folks. You heard it here. You know, fuck Rollo Tony remains morally superior, you know? guess. You know, there it is. i guess in this in that context, in that context of trying to make cops look really bad and they're on your ass, they're suing you, you're going to court, you have like, you know, you don't have any resources really, but you just have this talent, you know, musical ability and you're going to just use that to fuck with them. And, you know, all right, fine. Okay. All right. Sure. Sure.
01:06:26
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Would it have been funnier to use Photoshop? Maybe. But do you have that skill? I don't know. you know, like, is it too much to ask someone getting sued to use Photoshop instead of AI? Probably. Maybe. he make a song for like every single person on the police squad?
01:06:45
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I think he did a lot. Like he just kind of like went hard on it, which I just had a lot of respect for. Like I do as well. yeah you know like But I didn't know i really was not following any kind of I should have. I get and this is something else. Another thing that I will concede on as well. ah Undertone.
01:07:07
Speaker
ah That movie sucked. I liked it, movie but i I didn't think that that video I thought the video was like trying to look like ai I didn't think it was like actually. Yeah, that's A.I. man. You think that was like so that looked as much A.I. as did you see the most recent VHS film like the VHS Halloween?
01:07:30
Speaker
Yeah, but I've already like put it out of my memory. Like I already it's like a memory hold it a bit. i know. I think I watched
AI-generated Imagery in Media: VHS Halloween and Undertone
01:07:37
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it. I think maybe. So the opening segment right where there was like that, there was like the kind of like people. It's all good. ah that The people who were like, oh, ah there's like giant babies. Right. You remember that? Yeah. Yeah. That little house that keeps changing. Yeah.
01:07:56
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And then there's like a portrait that's like ah an AI generated image. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like that was a portion out of that portrait looks the exact same as the one in Undertome. Really?
01:08:11
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that In my eyes. Exactly. OK, well, I have no I have like zero memory for. the AI imagery in VHS Halloween. And so when I was like watching Undertone, i was like, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt of like, oh, they were you know, they're making it look like AI because it's a demonic force. You know, AI is demonic. I see what they're doing. That's kind of funny.
01:08:36
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Right. But you're. But then why hasn't anyone mentioned that in like any other reviews, any of the coverage? Because people are fucking succumbing. They're they're they're going like, oh, well, it's everywhere. So, you know, we should just fucking roll over like piggies. But like, so but but like, but like, I just haven't seen any mention.
01:08:58
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Like, I feel like you would think that someone but it's like you think someone would have been like in passing mentioned it, you know? but but the problem is they're piggies. The problem is is that they're like, you know, at this point they're like, oh, it's happened, you know, like there's nothing I can do, you know? And the only people who are left to talk about it are the people who who care, you know, are the people like me or you or anybody else who are just like, you know, oh, you know, this thing did that thing.
01:09:26
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You know, and I don't want to be the annoying person. I don't want to be the person who is just like this thing. You say I. But at the same time, it's like. No, but it's like good to be aware and get to know. Good to you. How come they get the state by? I've just got another thing is that there have been a couple of times now where I have like.
01:09:45
Speaker
thought something was AI and been wrong. So that's that's also why now I'm also like second guessing myself or fantasy thing. The Legend of Orchid. Oh, the Legend of Ochi. That wasn't AI. That wasn't. But it looks like it at first to me. Only because felt so bad. was literally just because were doing the slow doll like the slow dolly zooms for each shot and they were roughly center framed. And that was like tripping
Societal Acceptance and Critique of AI in Media
01:10:13
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people's AI alarm bells, even though it really wasn't anything else about it that felt like AI to me. thought it was just kind of felt like if you fed Dark Crystal to a prompt or something like that's it to be kind if you're being reductive. Sure, I guess. But I thought I thought it was the movie. I'm just the trailer itself. I'm just like. Sure, I guess. But but I thought it was thought, you know, I get not, you know, not a great movie or whatever, but I thought it was, you know, good. I thought it was all right. It was cute. I never saw it, but I watched I watched it at home with my parents. So, you know, optimal kind of viewing experience. I missed doing those in theaters, which I saw those in theaters, but I missed it. But, you know, at home, it played perfectly fine with me and my parents. We had a perfectly kind of pleasant time with it. You know, think thought it was a little weird, but I think we had a good time with it.
01:11:03
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The problem I have with people calling it AI was that AI has a political connotation with it. Right. Is that like when you classify something as being made with AI, it means that it like detracted from people's work. Right. Yeah. when you When you label. Legend of Ochi that, you know, it actually reflects really poorly on the filmmakers. And then to take it a further step, the same people who are calling out that film for possibly being AI are the same people who are going on to say like, well, Conor O'Malley made this video that made me laugh, so I'm going to let it pass. Unfortunately, I
01:11:42
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Like ah me personally, when I see that, like I'm not one of those people to call hypocrite. I'm not one of those people to, you know, like say, like, what are you guys doing? But at the same time, it's like have some kind of principle. Yeah. Have one. I think it's also, you know, the thing is like AI video is now it's so.
01:12:02
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Play. out there like it's just like like it's like there are hundreds of thousands of millions of ai videos you know now and so i think people definitely i think you know it's like it feels like to complain is to become the annoying person at parties or whatever but like I still can't help It it sucks. I don't like it. I'm not. I can't. It's not that. It's not that, though, I don't think. Because the problem is that that it's only for this one person.
01:12:34
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It's not for all other AI. It's not like you say this and then, like, you know, people are going like, well, why don't you like the strawberry who got impregnated by the eggplant? You know, like nobody's doing that, you know. um but but at the same time, you know, ah people are only defending this Conor O'Malley video because ah there is political context to it because it's about Irish Zionism, because it's actually about something. You know, it's it's it's an artistic statement. Yeah. And then the thing, too, is people are not are brushing it off because it's Connor O'Malley and he's he is trying to reflect the like super gutter, gutturally low nature of our culture.
01:13:19
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like but but it's this thing where it's like they treat him, you know, analytically, but then also try and give him a pass because exactly it's it's like a double edged thing. And it's it's a little like, you know,
01:13:35
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ah Come on, you know, a little bit like, come on, guys, can you at least understand where we're coming from? you know, like, I get it. He is super funny. i'm not trying to completely write off the video. I'm just saying, like, I don't like the AI stuff in it. It's not my thing.
01:13:52
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If you could have weeks of people yelling about Robert Eggers being a hack because he didn't do the exact same things that, ah you know. Yeah. Although it's like part of me wonders if it's like the Internet is so massive that it's like all these little sub communities will have their moment and then they come out. And because it's hard for us to parse everything, we kind of lob it all as one.
01:14:14
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But like you say that, right? But then it's like for me personally, it's like ah like I'm. Are you seeing a lot of these same people actually going back on themselves? I just haven't. i just it's like it's hard for me to say that because it's like when I scroll, I see so many people that it's hard for me to really individually keep track of like who is actually being a hypocrite at any one moment on any one issue.
01:14:35
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Personally, I'm not looking for hypocrites is what I'll say. OK, it's like it's like, you know, interesting. But there were people specifically. But what I will say is that like a lot of people who would claim to be big on these things are just letting it slide for this is what I will say. Yeah, there are a lot of people. I haven't been perfect. Undertone, undertone. I'm sorry, guys. I recommend it. Everyone go see a movie that has an AI video in it. To me, it's for me, it's harder to recognize like now and not not that that makes it OK. Yeah, happens. But it's just I miss it sometimes. Yeah. Because like it's got again, I missed it in undertone. I did not. I thought it was legitimately just assumed the best, the filmmakers and was like, oh, OK, they made that video using
01:15:28
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you know, normal or more standardized forms of VFX or simulation or whatever. and then and then it just sort of looks like it's A.I. because that's the you know what it's trying to emulate.
01:15:40
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ah But you think it's just A.I. It is A.I. i Have any of the filmmakers. Okay. Like, like, Jared, I will just say this, like, just looking at it, you know, like one of those things. You know, like, Letterboxd, have people, other people, like, in the reviews been, like, pointing out the AI thing? ah I don't even need to look is way the way I'll phrase it. Like, like, all right. No, no, no, no. It's fascinating. I'm so just fascinating. would be really fascinating if it's like, you're the one guy. i was like okay. that i'm I'm okay to eat crow. I'm totally. Yeah. It's just, it's just, it's just weird. Like you were saying, you like, that like no one's talking about that, but they get, so they get a pass. But then late night, the devil, we yeah had everyone. Rightfully so, we called it out. mi Yeah, because that was ah that was weird. That's weird. Because that's like a period piece. It's supposed to be in the 70s.
01:16:35
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Like, you could easily just get someone to to do art for you. That's like... Someone online did one there for free and were like, I would have, you could have just asked. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember. I remember. think I boosted. I think I boosted that piece because it was like, it was good. It was like, you know, could have easily been made by a person. So, yeah. So that one was so weird. So, so, so it's like, yeah, we call that out. That
Debating Empathy and Addiction in Storylines
01:17:02
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was good. But how, how, how many other ones are slipping through the crack? If I'm, I haven't seen undertone yet. So like I want, I still am interested. It's very brief. It's the video itself. It's like maybe two shots of the movie, two or three shots. And that's also, again, I think maybe why people haven't maybe mentioned it. It's like it's so brief.
01:17:24
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So much. It happens like maybe like once for the beginning and then like one more time at the end, sort of like it kind of comes back at the end, I think. To kind of give you an impression, Doug, it's like this movie has no visual component to the audio scares, right? Throughout the entire film. Well, the visual component, the visual component, I would say, are the shots of her listening to it. Yes, obviously. Yes. And when it comes to the audio, there some moments where it cuts. It does cut to parts of the house that kind of resemble what's happening. in the audio. So you're kind of, you know, it's a lot of it. You're listening and paying in your own head, you know.
01:18:03
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So you don't actually see the entity. No, no, no. So so hold on. So, so, so, so so what what I'm trying to get a hit here is like at the beginning of the film, there is a audio clip that is included with an image, right? And it's giving you this image as a representation of the audio clip. And it's this like woman who's crying and it's just an ai image of a woman crying, you know, and like I was saying before, but VHS Halloween, it's the exact same style, you know, where it's like mouth agape, you know. Oh, you know, like in that or those my brain completely. be It's just like I. Yeah, me too. Zero of it.
01:18:43
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Me too. But remember, like the alien in the field thing, but that may have been the other VHS. I think that was the last one. That's VHS, too. It's VHS, too. No, no, no, no, no. It's like they skydive into field with aliens with the oranges. Yeah. Yeah. That may have been the previous one. No, that was I like that one. That was good. short Yeah. The pit.
01:19:05
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we're We're talking about the pit, aren't we? Sorry. Back to the pit, which has a little AI, but it's all ethical because it's really there's no way in the show, but it it is about ai Alashimi saved a person by cutting into their neck and, you know, saving their recoverable. Oh, my God. Yeah. Jesus Christ. And that was like something she learned from a simulation. so so So we should talk about McKay and Ogilvy going on their kind of excursion. Yeah. You know, that was interesting. That happens the same episode we had. We were just talking about the ethics of like what Langdon did and whether or not other people can be so you know sympathetic to an addict and like what they've gone through. And then we see Ogilvy with McKay should treat someone on the street team. And he's just like, I yeah i don't understand at ah like how someone could be an addict, which I feel like I don't know Santos broadly feels like that, but she's treating Langdon that way in terms of like yeah she's failing to see any
01:20:00
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kind of like and yeah i mean i think it's it's less it's less i think about the fact that he was an addict and more the fact that he stole from the hospital And then was mean to her specifically about it. And then got mean to her. Yeah. Like, I think it's less the fact that he was, I think it's, I think it's like, that's not even, know, it's more of the, the, the, the infraction, the, you know, the violations that he was committing, I guess, cause it's all very illegal, and whatnot. What is legal? Um,
01:20:35
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yeah But but whereas whereas I guess like, ah you know, and kikis is like a woman struggling. yeah It's like not she's not a doctor. She's not, you know, a totally different kind of a situation. ah But still, obviously, anyone going through addiction deserves a level of empathy. And I think that the show think doesn't think that Langdon doesn't deserve something. It's just these are how the characters are going through it. And I think it's,
Character Interactions and Challenges in 'The Pit'
01:21:06
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yeah you know, i love the the the
01:21:10
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um the dedication to feeling as real as it can with regards to that stuff without trying to like be too nice or whatever.
01:21:23
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because Ogilvy's no Ted Lasso of the hospital. Well, there should have been some like soft music that played over a scene of Ogilvy, like kind of like starting to realize like he in. and Not only do we see. But it was also so a little odd because it's almost like the the last shot of him looking at her. I was like, does he think she's hot? Is that what's going on here?
01:21:45
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That would be an interesting pairing. Interesting. He's just like, he gets so, because it's like he sees the leg, gets glued, then, know, they break his thing and they're like, come on, focus, and he looks up at her and he's like, huh.
01:22:03
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I like the fact that he goes up with the person to the surgery. You know, like I like that Ogilvy feels personally responsible for the fuck up he does. and Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he takes the blame when Javadi could have, take you know almost had it.
01:22:20
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ah He's like, no, that was my fault. And then, um you know. you really think I really was thinking that Robbie was going to lay into him, and then, of course, no, duh, he's going to lay into Mohan. Yeah, because Robbie's a misogynist. But he supports Dr. J in that moment of where he's like, show mom. Yeah, i think like I think it's more of like a latent kind of thing. like I don't think he's overt. like I don't think he's you know i don't think like it's that kind of thing. like It's just like, yeah. like Dr. J, Dr. Javadi, he's pretty...
01:22:53
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ah you know, especially that moment when when she's with um but ah her her her but ah what's her name after she's passed away Roxy?
01:23:06
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Yeah, Roxy yeah um and and and they have yeah and they but they, you know go ahead yeah just the the little like look they have and that he gives her is like kind of It's heartbreaking, but it's also like human kind of like he felt like this is the one moment where he was actually kind of like extending something, you know, other than like ah
01:23:38
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Anguish or like anger or whatever, you know, he's still tapped into the humanity of it all because he's in that one moment. He's he's still an empathetic person, even if he's in a dark negative space right now. He's still. Yeah.
01:23:54
Speaker
I think these something under there. Maybe these these guys all care about people. That's
Tension and Development in 'The Pit'
01:23:58
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why they're there. But they're just. Oh, yeah. True. Yeah. They're just in different spots. Right. Like you wouldn't do that if you did. Yeah. Yeah. it's Yeah. Be crazy. But ah yeah. So like that, Robbie that we, you know, like the good Robbie's still in the lot. He's in the lot. She can't get out. But no, he that's true.
01:24:20
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He just needs something to awaken it or something, because it's not like that that part of him is like completely dead. He still does care sometimes. You just have to like, that's why I was hoping like the ice storyline would maybe get something more than him just like going off of the guy's face. But also, i mean, there's more to come with that, I think. I think so, too. They say yeah they ain't gone. Yeah, they'll be back.
01:24:45
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Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah. Like, that's worse way worse than Water Slam. The claps are there. Yeah. But again, it's like, that's, again, my, my again, why I keep saying that, but my theory is, like, this season, it's like, just, it's next episode. I didn't watch the little preview, but I i heard people were like,
01:25:08
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saying the preview, it's just like even it's like, oh, boy, like it gets even worse or whatever little snippets they're showing. It's just like, yeah, there's like a shot. I think of like Dana, like panicking or something like. pan some Do you want to know like the major like plot summary of it or no?
01:25:27
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Oh, you've seen the the summary? No. So there's like, you know they put out like a summary of every episode before they comes out. Yeah. Yeah. It's apparently supposed to be like Dana and Robbie going back and forth.
01:25:43
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Like the whole episode is about like ah how their different approaches to medicine comes to a front. Rounding out the episode. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. no' pay ah yeah Getting any last big things we haven't spoken about in the episode.
01:26:00
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I mean, we we talked around the the Becca. melt i mean, we talked about it, but I think I this is kind of where I assume the storyline was going of just like her realizing that, you know, her sister is her own complete person and like all the stuff. yeah she's been living like way too dependently on her sister, even though she has been assuming her sister is dependent on her. But that wasn't the case at all.
01:26:24
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Right. like and then She has no social life. and then she Yeah, she's like wasted, wasted potentially like years of her life caring for someone who has much more self-sufficient than she gives her credit for. yeah.
01:26:41
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ah She has she's like now reckoning with with that. And it's painful. that's real That sucks. Yeah. Yeah. And in the process, she's like lost the ability to perceive herself as a sexual being, you know, like. she Yeah. Like she never entertained the thought of even herself being in like a relationship. So the fact that her sister is like months, six months or whatever, into into this.
01:27:06
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You know, it's funny. There was someone like Langdon who could come wrong and sexually reawaited. If only there was somebody who was available on the market.
01:27:18
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Pit after dark. Whose wife fully left them. Yeah.
01:27:24
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I've seen fan art of people showing him getting his divorce papers. Yeah. They're just like, you know, he's on shift and he gets his divorce papers. And I'm like, you know what? Pit, between the days.
01:27:40
Speaker
There it is. You know, like, I can't argue with those results. Is that what makes the pit fandom special, though? Who other fandoms are drawn to what characters getting the voice? Well, I mean, that is I feel like that is sort of like the the m M.O. with a lot of fandoms is that they go all in with the characters and like imagining whatever it takes to get them together.
01:28:01
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Like, yeah, you know, they just that will happen. Fan fiction is a big thing. Yeah. just Just be glad we're not talking about like the last airbender anything like that, you know? No, these are all adults who it's to theorize about being in relationships with each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:28:21
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Thank you. Very true. Yeah. um But the the the pit, other things that happened this episode, you know, ah we've we've got like all the major plot threads that we've been talking about, you know, like Whitaker has been kind of been like off to the side this entire time. Yeah, this episode is a little off to the side, but but I think he's going to come back. He'll come back. i know they set up the stuff with him and the, you know, and it's Robbie's house, all that. He's going to come back.
01:28:48
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m He's going to turn that into his crash pad. He's going to do something really cool with that space. Oh, they invoke the turn james second farm. yeah He's going to bring that woman on to it. Yeah, he's going to bring farm girl there. Yeah, the thing Robbie told him not to do.
01:29:06
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Yeah, Robbie's dead. It's OK. What's he going to do? Haunt him? Right. Yeah. exactly that that's what's gonna happen next season he's gonna haunt him they bring up a psych hold in this episode because there's the mother of the kid for the mom who tries to kill herself so that's also potential yeah that's like you know a potential setup for you know where the end of the season could go with Robbie because now the idea is out there of like a psych if someone's a danger to themselves then we can't we you gotta hold them yeah yep
01:29:38
Speaker
And then there's also this idea of like a patient is going to be there for that exact period of time. There's going to definitely be doctors who are held back for that. So it's like we know for sure that Robbie's not going to be the only person who's going to be held back.
01:29:53
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the season is building to something intense. I mean, not that it already is intense, but it's like it feels like it's like it's like, yeah, you know, it's one of those like fucking mountain climbing games like where you're doing a lot and then you you think you've made a lot of progress, but then you look up and you're like, nope.
01:30:13
Speaker
You know, so much left. Yeah. Yeah, no, there's so so much left for this mountain to be climbed, but I feel like the rest of it's got to be discovered the next time around, you know? Yeah.
Community Engagement with 'The Pit'
01:30:25
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These weeks can't go fast enough. Yeah, but I do love like I do love the weekly format, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it beats season one. I slammed like so quickly that those blur together like this. site I have. Yeah. Season one, i actually I started watching late. i was I same mean, mean my ah my my ex. We watched it together and that was it was, a you know, really nice. We had we had a great time with it, but we we had started it
01:30:59
Speaker
I forget how many episodes we watched, but we did binge like the first... Probably a half, I think. Maybe. Or a good amount of that season. Maybe it was the whole season. Maybe we just fly for yeah now maybe it was it was a good amount, though. I remember we were watching like a couple episodes a night. Because it was the thing where we were even then we were like, we can't do more than like a two. you know we can't This is a lot, you know? Right. Like, that kind of thing. but Because we were we were always...
01:31:27
Speaker
to and watching stuff every night with each other. Long distance. that That's cool. ah There's... What was about to say? Fuck.
01:31:40
Speaker
Oh, this season's just paced differently, you know? so like Yeah. it ah i mean I mean, granted, it's it's literally the same. mean it's it's it's It's the same amount of time per episode as the first season. It's just a different kind of day. Yeah, yeah it is a different kind of day.
01:31:56
Speaker
And it's I mean, especially this this this I mean, I think it's just like each episode is getting like more relentless. It's like they're building, you know, yeah especially with the fucking, you know, analog going analog and all that ranches up. It's just like every, you know, the whole time people are just running around and it's like each scene is like 30 seconds shorter than like that you feel like they should be because they're getting interrupted and i say that in like in like the best way possible like i'm not i'm not it's not like a diss or like a thing like these scenes need to be longer it's no they they're they're short on purpose and it's like you know really well done like yeah you know
01:32:36
Speaker
And again, when I was looking at IMDb, the the fucking stupid ass like AI review like summaries that do little bullet points of like yeah green or red next to whether it's a plus or minus. And and then and for the pit. For the pit, it's like green, green, green, green. Then the very bottom, it's red for pacing. And if you click on the thing in the blurb, it says, viewers complain of the pit having sluggish pacing, where it's just so slow that they just, they want it to just keep going or something. And I'm just like, what?
01:33:13
Speaker
The moon show is like one of the most relentlessly paced things. It's like um mile a minute. There's a case every other second. Someone is like dying or hurting or suffering. And there's a doctor that that's going through multiple levels of drama. Robbie is easy really like about to kill himself. A bunch of them are probably going to kill themselves for being real. But Robbie is really consider concerning. Yeah. Yeah.
01:33:40
Speaker
You know, it's like fucking... It's always life or death. It's engaging as hell. I don't understand how you get bored with that show. No, because and then also this season has like like... Like it's not slowly paced, but like I feel like we are spending more time with internal character conflicts or conflicts between characters in like, you know, like building those up. But then also...
01:34:06
Speaker
Ice is the first time we've had like an external villain. Right. Like, is normally it's normally just death is like the bad guy. that I mean, there was the dude who punched Dana in the first. That's true. And then he just is gone. Like he just. and he's gone. Because, you know, that's just how it is. You know, people are like that. He left. Yeah. Yeah.
01:34:23
Speaker
So she's going to have a reaction to this because she's been so hands on. yeah With that, that new
Anticipating Future Storylines in 'The Pit'
01:34:29
Speaker
nurse, too. And she was assault like assaulted last season. So, yeah. Yeah. and So I think that that might also be what sort of, you know, it could be a conflict between her and Robbie.
01:34:43
Speaker
yeah You know, like their individual responses to to the ICE incident that could be, you know, a grounds for it or a big argument, ah potentially.
01:34:58
Speaker
ah yeah that's that's that's it for for for the pit but love the pit pit's great can't wait for next episode we should say we're down to keep doing this next time around next episode we want to do this we have for something yeah something it's gonna just keep racking yeah can't wait to talk about you guys
01:35:26
Speaker
Oh yeah. Excited to have you back on. All right. And, uh, the pair. Well, walked in there, the pair.
01:35:37
Speaker
You were in there, the pair. You're building that.