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The Pitt Season 2 Episode 14 w/ Jared Gilman
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Will Duke get with Nurse Vivi? Should the Hansen family keep returning with new injuries every few episodes? Has Robbie finally reached his breaking point? Jared Gilman comes back to discuss these burning questions and more with Doug & Tony!
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Existential Doubts and Anxieties
00:00:00
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know if I want to be here anymore.
00:00:05
Speaker
I don't know how you stand 12 minutes in there, let alone 12 hours or 20 years.
00:00:12
Speaker
No, that's the only place I can be. I have purpose in there. i can be distracted in there. I don't know that I want to be anywhere anymore.
00:00:33
Speaker
So what's the plan?
00:00:37
Speaker
Ride. Toward what? I don't know. Away from what?
00:00:45
Speaker
I just don't want to go home. What's waiting for me at home is really bad. What's waiting for you at home? don't know. When I get home, there's something I'm worried about about my life.
00:00:59
Speaker
What is it?
TV Show Pacing and Scandals
00:01:00
Speaker
i don't know. Is there really something? I don't know.
00:01:15
Speaker
been good for on mic. Yeah, that's true. So that was good. it lockups All right. well Well, we can just like redo it and say exactly what we said.
00:01:26
Speaker
You know, it's all right. We all have perfect memories. We can just do this again. and so Yeah, we're we're like, ah what's her name on on the pit with a ah photograph? Yeah, we're Joy. Joy. And I've been watching yeah er There's a character in that who's also another Asian character with photographic memory, Deb, in the first season of ER. I'm like, oh, this a thing they do.
00:01:48
Speaker
See, I was going to say, like, you know, this presents the opportunity, you know, like, sure, we had a really great conversation off mic, right? But like when we do it post, you know, like we have the opportunity to say whatever we want, you know? So I say, like, let's get like really like poetic with it, you know? let Let's make us seem like we're straight out of like, ah I don't know, Blood Meridian or something, you know? Let's let's make this really ah insightful for the listeners at home. But that's just my two cents. ah The pit. Yeah.
00:02:15
Speaker
The Pit. Yeah. These guys got juice here again with Jared Gilman and and we're... Hello. We're talking the the penultimate episode of the season. The Pit Ultimate. The Pit Ultimate. Yeah. Yeah. mean, it's crazy to think that, like, I mean...
00:02:32
Speaker
yeah We don't have to talk about too long about like online reactions to things. but but I see people talking about like the season being like slow or like like not having like a focus or they're like how. Oh, the first season knew how to tell Robbie's like story through the like the plot. I'm like, what show you guys watching? Because like it's like more intense this season, if anything, for me, like like don't I'm on the edge of my seat, even if there's no, like, mass shooting, like, I don't need that. No, it's, it's like, still chaotic as hell. It's, like, people, people I think, enjoy feeling above the thing that they're watching or they, you know, like, they they they feel a sense of superiority or, like, a sense of, like, I don't know.
00:03:21
Speaker
i think it's new things. Yeah, I think it's a few things because like there one thing that's been interesting for me is that I feel as though the scandal around the show has almost been commodified into its own form of entertainment for some people. Right. Whereas some people, you know, they chase for euphoria. They chase for, you know, a production that's going wrong and there's, you know, bad blood and there's people talking about each other behind each other. Like the Schadenfreude or whatever. Yeah. Exactly. And the interesting thing about these people is that oftentimes they like they don't understand like production. Like these are kind of just like, you know, kind of going based off of their ideas who these people are in a fictional sense. They understand drama.
00:04:06
Speaker
They understand how drama works and they think that that's what applies to real life. and And they're like applying like reality TV logic to some of these things.
Character Arcs and Developments
00:04:15
Speaker
That being said, so so some of the things, you know, because like, ah you know, people have been continually upset about the Mohan, you know, departure from this show. and And one thing I will say is that apparently there was a scene that was cut from this episode that had some form of Mohan.
00:04:33
Speaker
ah And a lot of people were like scandalized about that. To that degree, I'm like, let's let's hear about it. I'm interested in seeing what that scene was about. You know, who knows? But that being said, also, it's like, we still don't know, you know, like there's no... Yeah. Like there's still...
00:04:49
Speaker
like it's Or maybe we're waiting till the end of the season and then something will come out. It feels like there's a lot of thing in the air. That being said, like, even if there is a thing, you know, I feel like creating theories. until Yeah, I feel like it's one of those things you really, you know. You can't comment it on it until, you know, something official or something has you know, it's like, yeah, because before then it's all speculation and it's just like not helpful to the conversation at all. Because to me, it just seems like a creative choice that matches her arc that we've been seeing. Like, Alestis has been brewing for a longer time and they've been like working in writing her out from the beginning. They're like, okay, so this is going to be her arc of how we get her out. I'm like, okay, well, that's like...
00:05:34
Speaker
That would have to like predate like the production of the season then, which I mean, if that comes out, I that i mean, sure, I'll read about it. But like, I i just I'm assuming this is these are creative choices.
00:05:46
Speaker
m Yeah, I feel like that was part of the pitch, too. Right. Like, yeah, that it's like a constantly rotating cast. Yeah. and and And honestly, I was surprised that so many of the people from the first season were in this season, you know. So like I was thankful in that sense. And honestly, i'm I'm hoping that, you know, in the third season, there are less of them. You know, I don't know who. I would take a few gut punches, you know, just for the sake of shaking things up. You know what i mean?
00:06:11
Speaker
No, I can't lose any of them. What if they take Dr. J away? Dr. Javadi has quit medicine so she can pursue an influencing career full time. Or go into like one of the, I forget the options of specialties, but like everyone keeps offering her, you know, presenting like, what? Right. She just goes ice hunting.
00:06:30
Speaker
the Ice Hunter. Yes. That's its own spinoff. Yeah. Dr. J, Ice Hunter. It's like Dog the Bounty Hunter, but a lot less problematic.
00:06:41
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's Dark World. Exactly. That's the definition of Dark World. Gunning down ice agents. Yeah. She's like the Punisher, but for going under ice.
00:06:54
Speaker
Yeah. And then, like, her logo is also a skull, so then, like, cops get confused when they want to put, like, stickers on their cars or whatever. Like, wait, thin blue Javadi, like, that's what they've got on their car? but I like her moment in this episode because... ah Yeah. and think Well, actually, no. yeah Before we can talk about Javadi, we do have to talk about Robbie, I feel. You know, I feel like Robbie does have to be talked about because... Yeah. Is he the importance of the show at all? Maybe, who knows? I can give or take.
00:07:26
Speaker
But as an entry point to Javadi, I did want to bring up that moment in terms of the woman ah where they got the... like the Right. The the readings. they They put the things too low on her body because they didn't want to touch her boobs. Oh, the leads. Yeah, because it's supposed to yeah right under the breast. It's supposed to be like really high up and they went, it seems like they were trying to they were being too shy and then they they, you know, put them way too low.
00:07:53
Speaker
So they weren't able to read the the thing in her heart that was going to cause a crash. crash so There was there's a moment where he calls out these paramedic guys who came in and, you know, did that job. And that was they were working off of essentially their placement. And he essentially berates them by having the women in the air raise their hands. And, and like, I just thought that was a really funny oxymoronic moment because it's supposed to be this like, yeah, get them Robbie for like standing, like he's supposed to be like standing up for women almost in a sense. But like that was like a horrible moment that put all those women on the spot. And also the entire episode is him just like getting mad at women. Like hit this episode is him just like snapping at all of the women. He treats the men kind of decently in this episode. He, Yeah, he lets the one guy go to his family.
00:08:48
Speaker
yeah lets see one guy leave early. he's well i mean but okay to be fair to be fair, Langdon did do a pretty insane maneuver with that guy's head. We'll get to Langdon's pick level. like that was like a pretty yeah That was pretty amazing. and and If anything, Robbie's reaction was understated there. but He had to probably come back.
00:09:13
Speaker
yeah but it was great because it's like him just saying nice job was like all that guy needed to hear and more really like it was like yeah yeah it's like need to outside need to go outside he's like he's got to like you know reel it in well we'll get to that moment in like greater detail I feel right but like I want i want to go back to that like whole you know moment in the middle of the because you can see like Dana just like hates that she's terrified and then also I'm sure the other women who raised their hand were also that's putting them on this she's like who choose hands who wants to live you know like yeah who chooses life over death and then they raise their hands but like yeah death with modesty or life with brave nudity now.
00:10:01
Speaker
We were like, yeah, I'm raising my, and that's your boss. So I'm like, yeah. Yeah. It's funny that, that, uh, it's funny that, that, that, um, Santos liked it.
00:10:12
Speaker
Because she got chewed out. Dr. Alashimi. Yeah, yeah. But Santos got by Langdon in front of everyone. And that was supposed to be like Langdon going too far last season of like, oh, yeah, you can be instructive, but like don't do it private, like take them aside privately. And then Robbie was like, no, I think this could is more instructive that I did this publicly. So like it's it's him being a hypocrite again.
00:10:35
Speaker
Exactly. You're right. 100%. And it's also imparting that message onto the people that he's teaching and giving them the wrong lessons. And and I feel like the stuff with Mohan, ah actually, this is a great point to get into what happens with her before you even get to Jabadi. Like we have that moment.
00:10:53
Speaker
where he says to her, like, he should have found a better place to jump from. am. Yep, that's like one of those four people. Even the therapist was like, oh my God. His therapist has been pissed off this whole season. I love the therapist. The way he's like, those, the glasses on, like, his neck, you know, he's got of those rope things. The fact that he's always, yeah. And the way he's always wheeling around. it's so perfect. the actor, is that, like, a, is he actually realtor? Because it's just, like, it's such a great,
00:11:23
Speaker
It's such a great like like thing to have, just in that especially in that like one moment, because it's like the one moment where Robbie, well, not, I guess, you know besides with Duke, but like the one moment where like he's like really put in his place, you know like where where the therapist wheels up to him and is like, Robbie, you got i you're disrespecting me right now.
00:11:43
Speaker
Like, you know, and then Robbie is like, oh, okay. All right. All right. You know, he shakes his hand. He's like, you know, ah but it's just is the power dynamic. The fact that he's like wheeled on a wheelchair much lower down and the Robbie is still like deferring.
00:11:57
Speaker
And, you know, it's the inverted. You know, it's like usually you want to you want to establish some sort of power dynamic. You have the more powerful character beyond above the less powerful character. And so here it
Robbie's Personal and Professional Struggles
00:12:10
Speaker
was like the invert.
00:12:11
Speaker
It's sacanverse or whatever. It's just kind of... no So I have it here. Christopher Thornton, he is a real paraplegic. In 1992, he fell in fraction two vertebrae while rock climbing.
00:12:25
Speaker
oh Rock climbing. That's like the worst thing. That's like a fun day, you know, you're hanging out and then bam, no legs. but That sucks. yeah The great thing about this, everything you just explained there, George, was perfect because like not only was it represented within the arc that Robbie has had with this character, but it's also been representative with everybody else that he's interacted with. There's been this constant like, you know, ah he feels like he's being ignored. And the clear thing that's always been present with that character is that he doesn't like being overlooked. Yeah. because of him being lowered to the ground, right? And he does have a commanding presence. He does have self-assuredness. He is confident in who he is.
00:13:04
Speaker
And it's a really interesting dynamic to have that, you know, somebody who has that, you know, issue, but then is also not afraid to stand up for themselves, ah similar to somebody else that we'll talk about later. ah But this this in this instance, you know, where... ah he's, you know, challenging Noah Wiley again, you know, Dr. Robbie. I feel like we've seen this a million times now where's just like, you're going to kill yourself. And he's like, absolutely. And then he walks away, you know, he's,
00:13:33
Speaker
I've been dropping subtle hints that i'm going to kill myself. Cut to him and be like, I'm going to kill myself. Yeah. I thought that this place would be a lot harder to be around without me being here. I guess that should be.
00:13:46
Speaker
He's like the dude at the party. He's just like, they all know what I'm planning on doing. Everybody is like, they all know. yeah I mean, dan Dana was even like, like, got, I have the feeling I'm not going to see him again. Like what feeling he said, what if I don't come back? He's like, he's like, I'm doing it, bitch.
00:14:04
Speaker
I feel bad for her. And then, you know, Abbott's like, Abbott's just like, well, has he been saying anything to you? And she's like, uh, a lot of things. He said stuff to you, Abbott. She looks haunted this episode. Every time they cut back to her, she's got like this look on her face. Because like I was saying on the last episode, you know, the whole day, nothing shook her. You know, everything that was going on, she was still more stable and confident than Robbie was the entire season. Yeah. But then Robbie's last comment triggered.
00:14:37
Speaker
Yeah. But also, I think ah part of me also wonders if she has like a pang of regret of just being saying that thing to him being like, you know, this this place functioned well without Adamson. It'll function well without you.
00:14:49
Speaker
like Sure. That does push him closer. Right. That does make sense. and and And I do also feel like ah there is the aspect of like there aren't many people here who can talk to him. Right. You know, the only other person that can talk to him really will be Abbott. if I feel like it's still building towards it. It's called that by now. They're like, yeah, it's going to happen. ah But at the same time, ah there is this... ah thing here where it's like she is like the second in command almost during the day and like if he is doing that bad then it starts to go down from there and we do see a bit of that disillusion in a crazier way with some of the people today but and we've seen that through the season but like right now just feels like we're wrapping up some of those things I don't feel like we're going to see many more explosions of that in the finale
00:15:38
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think it's going to an explosion. I think it's going to to be like low key. And like, i I, still am with. Did you see the finale trailer? I saw that. I saw the trailer. Yeah. Yeah. Like it kind of shows at least one person who will be confronting him. And I think you'll be pretty, pretty happy to know who it is. ah Total vindication. by the Yeah. I've been totally vindicated this whole season. But I can still see it ending, like you said, Jared, where it's like he still gets on the motorcycle and then we cut to black. Like, we just don't see it. And then we wait till next year. And, you know, ah I think he's going to live, but we just don't see him choosing one way or the other because he's still in a. Yeah. Where he doesn't, he he wants help, but he doesn't know how to ask for it. Like, I had a psychology ah professor once. i Like, I don't know how true this is, or it probably, everyone's different, but he's like saying like, ah suicidal. You're absolutely right.
00:16:36
Speaker
He's in a position where he's more doing the cry for help, right? He's not actually suicidal. Yeah, in the cry for help. You know, like I'm not saying it to demean him. Right. But it's like he's doing too many self-destructive things. Right. He's doing too many like cries for help in desperate ways to where he's trying to get people to reach out, a bit whether it be professional circumstances, whether it be, ah you know,
00:16:59
Speaker
Because good the big thing in this episode is he says, like, you know, he doesn't know how to be out there. And most of these people don't know what he's like out there, you know? We get some, actually, revelations in that sense later on as well. ah But the circumstance is that, like, he himself is an island, right? We know that he's a ladies' man, you know? We know that he kind of, like, has... women that he dates on a frequent basis and they have a good time. But like, other than that, he seems like a shell.
00:17:28
Speaker
He seems like he doesn't actually have any kind of interiority. um So it's interesting to see that this is his expression of that. And it's interesting to like, like, I feel like no Wiley, whatever we can say about him as a writer, I feel like as an actor, he's performing this stuff amazingly.
00:17:45
Speaker
Yeah. Just like the fucking tears in his eyes every time he talks to Duke. and boy it's a lot of reserved pulling back yeah it's it's's it's a lot of like giving you nothing but gives you a lot to read into and we've gotten a lot of it this season but it doesn't get old like it's always no like it yeah just his lack of eye contact his like his way his eyes are just like darting around the way that he you know he's just like portraying that is just it's ah fucking pretty incredible to watch
00:18:19
Speaker
And he literally just needs to get distance from the, even though he is asking for help when someone like calls him on it, like Duke, who is like pretty straightforward guy. He's a straight shooter. So he's going to say he straight up says to Robbie, like when he's, you know, his bike gets hit by by some other EFTs. And oh, God, that was so funny. oh and then they were so scared that Robbie was going to blow up on him the one was like I thought he was going to punch you but he's just so like shell shocked that he can barely react he's like it's fine and it's just superficial but also just like the whole the whole that whole like sequence they walk up to and they're like I'm sorry about your black dude he's like what runs out Right as the ambulance comes in with a gunshot wound to the head and they're like, he's like, they're like GSW to the head. And he's like, my bike got hit. Like, that's the more important thing.
00:19:11
Speaker
Like, like I loved that. My suicide bike is ruined. Yeah. Buy one ticket out of here. The thing he's been, know, he's always been like talking shit about customers. Like I almost call them customers, patients, you know, behind their backs. I guess in America they are almost kind of customers. It's a business. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah. Not to get bleak, guys. But when it comes to this idea of, you know, doing right, I feel like that's one of the few times that he's been openly like putting himself before the patients, which is like pretty rare to see from Robbie. Keep it together like in Exactly. Like in like be professional. But this is this is like the worlds are bleeding together. Like you can't keep this out of work.
00:19:58
Speaker
Yeah, it's like a little moment, just like that little twist. I do also like that it's Whitaker that like is there when it happens. I just like, I think that he's a funny character to have, you know, during a catastrophe. And it's funny to see him like fumble with the bike. He had a funny episode this week.
00:20:15
Speaker
Oh, can we talk about the... the Yeah, yeah, him, like, looking for his ID. Yeah, he loses his ID. What do we think Ogilvy's doing with his ID? Because who else would have I want to go back. I wonder if, like, you can pinpoint the moment in the season where he loses the ID.
00:20:36
Speaker
Yeah, guess I guess they were so busy that he wouldn't have, because they weren't doing, like, he uses it to log in, but they weren't using the computers earlier, so he could have lost it earlier a few hours. Yeah, could it could be at any point during the season when the blackouts happen.
00:20:50
Speaker
I read a fan theory, right? The fan theory says that Langdon so stole it and took drugs. And then, like, honestly, I'm happy with that explanation. I don't care if they make that canon. How else was he going to snap that guy's head back on his spine, you know? You can't do that with Advil. I don't believe it. I don't buy it. I've taken Advil.
00:21:10
Speaker
you know taking as will and i do Also, just like the fact that like Whitaker ran into the room really panicked because he's looking for his ID, but Langdon immediately assumes that the look was like him looking at at Langdon because he's got Advil on his hands. Yeah, that was moment.
00:21:27
Speaker
yeah that was such a great ah you know well thought out moment I mean, let's talk about that scene because like this yeah we never see Whitaker like snap at anyone ever. No. don't think. No. Yeah. So this is like like kind of a different... I like that we see a breaking point for everyone in the season. And for Whitaker, it was just that...
00:21:48
Speaker
Langdon was being like a little too familiar with like, cause he's acting like, well, he, he lost his ID and then he lost $250 trying to do the right thing for an old lady. Trying to get, that was like the, yeah, he was specifically trying to get good karma. So he would find his ID. Then it backfired on him. And now he's thinking, I'm never going to find my ID runs into the room. And now he's got a deal with fucking Langdon who who Santos has like been like shitting on probably.
00:22:14
Speaker
I feel like that's a major part of it. I feel like that probably also had to do with his, his like sort of like sticking out for himself was partially sticking out for himself, but also for, for Santa. So, you know. Yeah. I think he gives loyalty to her. But I also, I also see from what he like says to Langdon of like that, like, Oh, I don't need you to decide my role for me. Cause I like that. He's like, you're not the the skipper. He's like, of course not. Robbie's skipper. It's like, no, Dave, Robbie's the professor, Dana's the skipper. like He knows the Gilligan's Island roles. There's a lot of great references this episode, too. Yeah. A deep cut rumblefish quote. But to go back to that moment, right? like I think what's interesting is like the moment when when he comes in and Langdon's taking the Advil, I thought that that was off. I was like, Langdon, you're a little aggro for no reason, right? But then like when Whitaker...
00:23:08
Speaker
blows up it it does have this energy of like he didn't know he was going to get this mad and again I kind of like that about Whitaker oh yeah yeah yeah because then immediately afterwards he apologizes he's like I'm sorry if I came off strong there ah because he didn't realize he was going to come off that strong he just needed to get it off his chest then and And I do like to go off of what you were saying, Doug, about this idea about like the Gilligan's Island thing. I think there is also a bit of like resentment and jealousy there because Whitaker is kind of like wanting to take in the Langdon role. We've talked about this a couple of times. To be the face of the favorite boy. You know, like that's who Langdon was. And then Whitaker's getting the like, you know, keys to Robbie's place to house it. And then there's even the comment Langdon says afterwards, like, yeah, I've been there before. It's a nice setup. So it's almost like, oh, you you are you are just sliding into being me then, like.
00:24:00
Speaker
Also, let's let's let's like pump the brakes for a second. Let's pull back for a moment. He's been to Robbie's place before, right? So that means that in some capacity, hung out Langdon was probably...
00:24:10
Speaker
His friend, right? And the moment that this drug business was revealed, he stopped talking. Yeah. Right? So it's like he self-isolated himself and then sent himself into the spiral. It's something that we can read between the lines on here. Mm-hmm.
00:24:25
Speaker
Possible theory for what's going to come on this next episode. Yeah, because who else is in like Robbie's like social sort like in terms like we referenced that he'd like, you know, has coworkers. He's dated, but like he's not hanging out.
00:24:40
Speaker
Yeah, yeah but but he's not like hanging out with any of them. He's not like Santos. Let's get some drinks or something like, yeah, he's ah he doesn't he doesn't. I don't get that vibe at all. I think he just like sits in an empty room.
00:24:52
Speaker
stares into a corner. Probably just has like TV on sports. Yeah, and just zones out. just Yeah. a ton but But it's like an advertisement will have like a high-pitched tone and it'll remind him of the hospital and it'll just send him into like a panic attack. And he's just like out of commission for four hours. He can't even sleep, you know? Like he's just like, ah you know, like that's that's the existence that we're all seeing Robbie have. Right. And it's it's not mistaken. You know, he's lashing out. Like i said before, he's lashing out. a
00:25:23
Speaker
Now we can get back to Javadi. You know, Javadi is trying to post TikToks or, you know, give updates about the ICE agents, you know, that came to the hospital and he like loses her his mind at her. and and honestly, i felt like Javadi. He right in that argument. Oh, for sure. like you The thing, too, about it was that like he consistently was like talking over her and like finishing her sentences in ways she was not planning on finishing. like she He was just putting words completely in her mouth and then just responding to that, like talking over her, just steamrolling her completely, being kind of like a huge dick, thinking he's like in the right the whole time.
00:26:02
Speaker
ah So it's nice that like that that that ah McKay comes back and is just like, hey, by the way, going to give you some unwarranted, unneeded advice. Lay off of Dr. J and her TikToks, please.
00:26:15
Speaker
yeah I like his comment that he said I was banned for erotically seditious. Oh, yeah. I'm like, what? So seditious. Does that mean... Like he was. Had it been like a bad joke. Had it been a bad joke. where mostly Yeah, probably. Yeah, it never was for me, but I'm going to.
00:26:32
Speaker
Serious. Like if he was serious, it'd also be funny. Yeah. Oh, my God. Like he has like a sex issue. he used to say He's actually like secretly a sex pest in his off hours. We know that he definitely is active. It's like implying like, what, did you threaten the president while being sexual? Like what does that mean? Listen, you cannot threaten to have sex with the president. you can't have say you can't say, but not going to continue you with that. Physically, because Donald Trump is a particularly gross slug. ah but ah Job of the hut president.
00:27:08
Speaker
yeah if i could speak huddies i would you know i i that is actually the name of the language by the way oh it is i i know the musicians play jizz that's canon that's right yeah that's right that's right it's jizz music uh lucas's brain like i would i'd want being john malkovich technology just to go inside his mind you know like so i could be like or or Yeah, but like during the and 90s when he like, you know, making stuff. I feel like doing it now would be a different experience.
00:27:41
Speaker
I would love it if he came in as a patient in the pit where he's just like, I like hit my ah toe. ah I stubbed my toe in the backyard. i was It would be great if like the pit just started doing like real celebrity cameo shit. Like you got Jay Leno. You got Jay Leno having like been in those like fifth like car accident like where it went on fire and it was like half his two-faced now the mob beat the shit out of him you know like the yeah mob push down a giant hill again yeah that that was my favorite the hill was my favorite the giant hill that he fell down and then he performed a stand-up special that night i love it
00:28:22
Speaker
He can't stop. He's like, these medical bills aren't going to pay for themselves. like ah I got to go up in whatever state I'm in. And he can't sell off any of those cars. He needs those. So like, yeah. Exactly. No, he's too proud of them, right? he He's unfortunately like... he He's like the patient from the pit who has diabetes, right? who like yeah's He's about to come back in because he's not listening to his health problems.
00:28:50
Speaker
But just in this case, it's because he owes money. Should have rolled from a higher spot. Exactly. You're talking about the gambling table as well. Yeah.
00:29:03
Speaker
Speaking of gambling, we should talk of about Langdon's heroic act of thousands in episode. His Aldo maneuver. Yeah. but ah because I like the stakes are very clearly established. Like this guy will be paralyzed if they do nothing, but also if they fuck this up, same result. So yeah, it's like they have to act and Robbie's willing to defer to him because like this maneuver, he's seen it done. Langdon's seen it done, but never done it. Robbie's never seen it. So he's like, this is all yeah i've never even seen it done. And they fucking do it.
00:29:40
Speaker
He's like, he's the man. yeah Would have been really funny if at the end of that scene, Robbie like leaned over to someone else or maybe Langdon and was like, actually, I've seen that done many times before. I just want you to do it. He's testing it. Yeah. yeah yeah be like really It's like, I've actually I've done it myself hundreds of times. I could have done it like that, but I really want to make sure you can do it.
00:30:04
Speaker
But sure, he's not a woman, you know. yeah He's a woman, so he didn't do that to him, you know. ah But but yeah the the thing that I love about this sequence is that it feels very reminiscent to the Mohan scene in the first season, you know, with Jack Abbott. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:30:20
Speaker
And like this whole season has been like the Langdon punished arc, right? Where like nobody gives a shit about him. He's just kind of like wandering around having like these whimsical conversations with patients instead of like connecting with his crew because nobody really gives a shit about him, you know? Outside of work, they're just like, you're just not, you know?
00:30:41
Speaker
Yeah, smell because she's in love with him, you know, as we'll talk about. I'm joking, of course. But when it comes to i I like, I like leaning into the canon because it's fun, you know know, to make it seem like that. But at the same time, it's like, no.
00:30:56
Speaker
ah But anyways, I think they're just good friends. I think it's like that kind of thing. But but I love seeing their friendship, like, you know, blossom. i like seeing them get like, I mean, she's also into revolution. She's into history. Like, well yeah, could be like that could very well be big.
00:31:13
Speaker
or i was like yeah They know what the fans are saying. They're they're fucking teasing. They're tickling the balls. Yeah, that's what they're doing. They're tickling the balls of the fans being like, you want this, don't you? Just like, that's what's happening. would be kind of cool if like they end up in a secret relationship where no one knows except the two of them and they have to keep it looking normal to everyone else, but they're giving each other eyes the whole time or whatever.
00:31:39
Speaker
Sure places like the thrill of the drug habit. Right. Like now I'm having an affair and like, yeah, see see the direction i was going to go with it. Right. Was that like, you know, the first season that was before sunrise. Right. And then this is like before sunset, you know, and then like. Oh, yeah. We need to before midnight where everyone's together and they hate it.
00:31:58
Speaker
Exactly. We'd get everything that we wanted. you know like They're in a full-on relationship the next season. It should be a time jump. But it's but it's like all problems. They only have issues with each other. and it's like not at all nice. It's like they're just bickering the whole time. It's like a real fuck you to all the audience members. I really wanted to see them together.
00:32:18
Speaker
show has to do that. I'm the only one to do that. and one know and And Doug, to build off of what you were saying before, you know, they had kids, you know, I think you go a different direction. They adopt kids. You know, he's got the two kids from the previous. Or they tried having kids and the kids died. Oh, no.
00:32:37
Speaker
Oh, I mean, ka yeah, the show gets dark. So it would work. Yeah. could happen. It could happen. Stranger things, you know, and I'm not talking about the Duffer Brothers. um Robbie hit one of the kids with his bike accidentally.
00:32:50
Speaker
Yeah. One of the kids kind of stole Robbie's bike. One of the kids stole Robbie's bike and died. Yeah. Yeah. they They were not even a year old and somehow they they got home they got on the motorcycle. That's why they died. They didn't couldn't drive it. What do you expect? can't put a baby behind a motorcycle. This doesn't make any sense. you know You know what? I'm shocked that we don't even get a single mention of baby Jane Doe in this episode. whats Yeah.
00:33:22
Speaker
Well, we'll find out next week. We'll find out next week. I'm sure, you know. Yeah. Right? What was the last thing? that It's like all we know is she's ah baby. Alive.
00:33:34
Speaker
And she's breathing. They still don't know her parents. Like dropped off. Right. It's like that bad age. It's like that that that like unfortunate Goldilocks age, right?
00:33:45
Speaker
Yeah. and then I feel like they're going to circle back around to like what the baby has. So, yeah, actually, it's going to be Langdon and Mel adopt the baby.
Show's Narrative Structure and Future Speculations
00:33:55
Speaker
so Yeah. that's where So they can watch Elf every night. That's what it's going to be. Yeah.
00:34:05
Speaker
um Yeah, no, the the the pit. and ah The Jensen's next week on the is a funny gag. Like the same. I want that family to come back on future episodes, future days. But yeah, adding this is where you do guest stars, like have people show up in because doesn't that family seem like Michael Rooker should be like an uncle or something like he shouldn't he show up be like, oh, man, we just fucking blew up my foot or something.
00:34:33
Speaker
My damn son of a bitch. brother, you did this shit. That would be Michael Rooker, right? Yeah. He would be the guy with a flag on his shoulder or something. Yeah, he'd be in pain. feel like every show at this point finds a way to work John Cena in some way or another. Even Pluribus. Pluribus, I feel like Nirvana, the band of show.
00:35:02
Speaker
but Yeah. lot times It's It's a fantastic... like ah yeah I would have been fine if that was the end. i not find it was ah The finale of the show. yeah meane yeah It was a great episode.
00:35:19
Speaker
They should play John Cena's theme for Langdon when Langdon comes in. Imagine Matt and Jay in the pit. Imagine if they there was a full episode where Matt and Jay were just in there. you know like Well, yeah, Matt gets blinded again. Right. yeah matt Matt sits too close to the TV again and blinds himself.
00:35:39
Speaker
and then And then he's got breathing issues for whatever reason. Who knows? They got to do something new, right? But like, i yeah they should just like, they should do the thing from this season where he's just sunburned from his whole body, you know, do the same thing that they did in this, ah this season. And I do like that. We still get parts with that patient in this episode. yeah I liked that her takeaways. I'm never going in the sun again. Yeah, same girl. I agree. you you know like I mean, if your body looks like that too, feel like that's that's you know probably a reasonable conclusion to make. Yeah, but vitamin C deficiency, that'll fuck you up too. so you got to give Just take supplements. Just just yeah supplement it up, you know? Just supplement it up. yeah that's great Maybe eat some more fruits while you're at it. you know That doesn't hurt. yeah
00:36:27
Speaker
That's true. There's other ways. Yeah. There's no turmeric. Sun is overrated. me it literally wants to kill you. she well Why do you want to be in the presence of something that kills you, you know? Yeah. Let's just unpack that for a second, you know? Mm-hmm.
00:36:45
Speaker
um Yeah, other stuff that happens in this episode, we got Duke, you know? Yeah, just Jeff Hober. Like, I think people have already been saying, like, oh, guest Emmy nom. Like, I think he's fucking a highlight of the season just in those those little scenes he gets. I mean, I also, before they even get to the parking, lot i mean, like, the outside, like, ah the scene where...
00:37:09
Speaker
Robbie's breaking it down of like how the seizure will go. You see him doing the math of like, because even when Robbie's telling him it's like 50% chance live or die. If you don't get the surgery, I feel like he's still being like, what if I don't get it? Oh yeah. He's like, those are that, that's a bad coin flip something. He's like, that's one hell of a coin flip. And he's no, dude, it's not a coin flip. You're doing it.
00:37:33
Speaker
no Yeah, because he because he wants to know, what okay, so if I die from him what's it like? yeah he He calls it like a big fade out or something. but Yeah, yeah, yeah. i just I just love his terminology, the way he talks. yeah He's talking about the surgeries. Like, yeah, they'll have ah new hoses, new gaskets.
00:37:48
Speaker
who if Like talking about the tubes they'll put in. Spoken like a true bike. They they do make that direct delusion later when they are. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. they they ah They're both like people who fix things, you know, so it does make sense in that regard. um Yeah. I do also like the fact that ah even though there is that kind of hesitancy you sense in Duke, I do also feel that Robbie is being overprotective to the degree that like I do feel as though Duke would take care of this on his own. I feel like Duke is like in a position where he would do this. um the The question isn't so much, you know, is he too lazy or is he going to weigh his odds? The reason that he wouldn't do this is because of what he says later on this episode, which is, you know, he said horrible things, you know, that maybe he wants to, you know,
00:38:32
Speaker
like leave in the past. And that would maybe be that case. And the only different things that differentiates him and Robbie is that Robbie isn't that, you know, Robbie is things he can be proud of and that he has a standing that he needs to leave an impression of some kind.
00:38:46
Speaker
And with Duke, he he's got some shame and regret, but he's still imparting some part of himself. there. It's an interesting dynamic to have there. And and like you're saying, Doug, you know, guess Emmy worthy, totally valid because he becomes this pivotal rock in this final stretch of the season. um You know, the the show...
00:39:07
Speaker
Some people thought it was an ensemble. I don't know where they got that impression. It really is Because there's a lot of people in the cast. I think that's a big cast. Yeah. It's a big cast and they kind of will jump around. But it is. Robbie's. I mean, I mean, he's. Yeah. The poster is his face.
00:39:24
Speaker
It's. Yeah. And the first season was still centered around his arc. Right. So, like, ah when it comes to all this stuff, it just feels like a natural expansion of all that. Mm hmm.
00:39:35
Speaker
It feels different from like, I'm only a season in into ER, r but that's an ensemble show where i it's not like Anthony Edwards is like the main, or George Clooney is like the main character. that That really is an ensemble where we kind of jump around. But no, yeah, the way the pit's told, it is Robbie's arc informs the whole, like that's the arc to follow when people are like, they never, what about the loose ends of blah, blah, blah. Like those aren't loose ends. That's just like shit happens in a day. It's not the focus. We're focusing on Robbie.
00:40:06
Speaker
it's like What about those ice agents? It's like, oh ah you know, it's like a day. They took Jesse. It fucking sucks. and yeah The follow-up on that is is Javadi's been posted or trying to figure out where he is.
00:40:17
Speaker
ooh And next season, we'll see Javadi's run for Congress, and I can't wait. She's like better than AOC because she she knows to spill blood. Yeah. yeah She's ready for a violent uprising. That'd be awesome. vivid like That's what the next season is. Perfect. January 6th, but from the left.
00:40:37
Speaker
Dr. J for January 6th. Dr. J for Jihad. who We're going to do that.
00:40:47
Speaker
Spicy. We're getting spicy.
00:40:51
Speaker
No, I'm voting for her. She has my vote. I don't even live in that district. i be wolfer if If it's ah Jihad of the Butlerian, you know, ah variety, you know, if we get rid of technology, I'm i'm down. You know, let's go let's go back analog, you know, vinyl. Let's get back into, you know, circulation, you know.
00:41:10
Speaker
Yeah. I live an analog life. I can do that. since you christian You've got the typewriter. If my Wi-Fi goes down for like a few seconds, I start... It's an electric typewriter. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Where's my energy?
00:41:30
Speaker
I got to sit with these thoughts. I got to stew in these things instead of, the scream. Ah! You know, I get it, I get it. But when it comes to the poot, we've got a few other dangling threads with Duke, you know. We've got him and Perla talking about him flirting with that nurse. Yeah, Vicky. I like that they keep calling Nurse Vivi or something. Vivi, Vivi, Vivi, yeah.
00:41:59
Speaker
Wasn't it the name of a Final Fantasy IX character? The Black Mage was his name? I don't know. I'll take your word for it. Yeah. but But I love the whole thing. He's like, don't you want to get your heart broken? He's like, it's already been broken. down the bang went Yeah.
00:42:14
Speaker
He's not back in doubt. I hope they follow up on it. And next season you find out she left her fiance for Duke. Yeah. So we can have a reason to have Duke around. like Just to keep him around. Out Alpha'd her baby cook. Judo instructor, husband, which is a really funny detail as well. ah but Basically saying like, this guy could kick your ass, but I don't know. Duke, the implication, right, is Duke was in a biker gang, right? Because he's talking about wearing his colors and that he's hurt people. I'm like, okay, so this guy's like fucking like like killed people before. Yeah.
00:42:47
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like when you're a biker, it almost operates on like ghost rider rules where just like you're really proficient with a chain, just a loose chain. You know, and you can just smack people with that. I feel like every bike rider knows how to do that just mentally. That's that's where my association goes.
00:43:04
Speaker
Chain or if you get close enough, I just assume there's like shanking. yeah Oh, yeah, I'm sure. yeah That's like the side weapon, you know, like that's for long range and then that's close range, you know.
00:43:16
Speaker
like streets really, the real weapon is making your ears bleed with all the revving they do. Oh, exactly. Yeah. And every crosswalk, you know, yeah. little ringingdeyingg knee yeah um I was thinking about this and, and honestly I could imagine Langdon in like a Pee Wee Herman scenario, you know, just like going from like place to place and he's just amazed, you know, i feel like I can imagine him in like the, the biker, ah bar You know, that'd be fine. He's just his reaction system. He's not like as innocent as Whitaker, but he almost has like a G shucks reaction to stuff. Like, yeah, it's like Whitaker with the sticks.
00:43:51
Speaker
Yeah. I love sticks. Every little detail me is not like his personal life. Yeah. The reenactment stuff or sticks or just just like his his rumble fish.
00:44:04
Speaker
Yeah, his reaction to Whitaker losing his ID is is just like kind of it and like, yeah, it's just oh he just has like a golly gee sensibility.
00:44:14
Speaker
And then and the fact that he was like, he really wanted to laugh at Santos's clue reference. I think he kind of did. He's out of focus laughing. The reason I brought him up again is because if we're talking about Duke winning an Emmy, I think Langdon's got an Emmy in the bag. I feel like he's going to win an Emmy this next go around. He didn't win last time. I think the scene that they'll play too might be the one in the preview. Have you seen the preview, Tony, for next episode?
00:44:40
Speaker
I have seen the preview, yes. Yeah, so because there's there's a moment where he's like, I've seen a lot of people in in recovery like you to Robbie, and it's like the only difference is they know how to ask for help. So he's going to give him some kind of chewing out, but from a place of of love instead of like last season where when Langdon was like throwing his panic attack like in his face, like is like ah as a fuck you or, you know, because he had been caught. But like this is him trying to, I think, reach out to Robbie. Yeah.
00:45:08
Speaker
Yeah, it is. Maybe he'll be the one to do it. It would make sense. That would be like a good arc of like, yeah, you know, the fucking prodigal son returns and he's the one who like gets through the one who's been spurned all all day long.
00:45:23
Speaker
He died and came back 10 months later, you know, he had to go through all that shit, you know. Yeah. Actually, you know, this is a great entry point for us to talk about Alashimi at the end of the episode. Because yeah ah like, I'll just lay it out like this, right?
00:45:41
Speaker
Alashimi comes to Langdon with this diagnosis that she has. kind of like these seizures that she's having, right? And this question that we've been having this entire time we've been watching the show has been like, what's wrong with her? And it does like she does have something. It's like some kind meningitis or something has caused... Well, she had viral meningitis as a five-year-old, and then this is like the results of having that. And it had been pretty well-maintained, is my implication. Because anyone who worked with her at the VA, no one noticed anything. Like, she never sits there visibly or anything.
00:46:16
Speaker
But... The implication is that today it's worse. The implication is that, like... She is coming to Robbie because, like, she is genuinely freaked out about this. I mean, she was calling her neurologist and she's, like, seizing during, like, not, she doesn't have her hands in a patient, but she's, like, in the room when she's, like, you know, like, seizing up, even if it's for a couple of seconds. Like, it's not good.
00:46:39
Speaker
and Someone else seizes up in next week's episode, too. There's a bit. where Yeah, I could, they're like, she's seizing about a patient. Well, the issue is... running A little running joke with House.
00:46:54
Speaker
you know, the show House MD where some of the season, it's like kind of bleeding over into the pit now. next Next lupus is going to come over. Yeah, and then sarcoidosis. Right, right. We'll cycle through all of them. We're going to get like an Australian guy who's kind of rude to all the overweight patients.
00:47:14
Speaker
Cal Penn shows up. He's on the couch now. and Dr. Robbie just has a cane. yeah yeah Yeah. Well, he gets into an accident. He gets into a motorcycle accident, and then he has to use a cane. Makes sense. And then he gets into a ah pain medication issue as well, and then he gets a new understanding of Langdon and his issues. Olivia Wilde shows up. Yeah, Olivia Wilde shows up.
00:47:38
Speaker
it's It's all there. He conducts like a big like contest to find his next patients. And it causes everyone to just like fucking sabotage each other and be horrible. Yeah.
00:47:54
Speaker
To get to Alishimi... Okay, sorry, going back to Alishimi. No, no, no, not to go too far off. I just wanted to get back on track because this is an interesting thing. So I find what I like is that there's this question of her competency, but the reality that I think it's well-established, and we all agree, that this is something that's kind of new to her as well. So it's like she's coming to him with this scary thing, right, where she's nervous and she's like, I need this help right now, right? And he's taking it upon himself to be suspicious of her. And get the impression, because, like, we already, you know, have seen throughout the season where he's been like, don't know if she's fit to run this hospital. This is just the confirmation he needs to just, like, tell everybody, you know, to be like, her of there. He's going to be yeah, you are not fit to run this. You're liability. Like, you can't be... Or...
00:48:45
Speaker
yeah Or we can read it charitably and be like, maybe he's just going to take her suggestion up on getting a second attending at all times to be with her. And so then, you know, it'll all just be okay. And he won't be an asshole about the whole seizure thing whatsoever. yeah i i think right.
00:49:09
Speaker
The major question is like, did Duke's question get through to him? Right. Like this idea of like, did he. this the final lesson want to impart on these kids and all that? Yeah. because No, it's not the final lesson I want impart. The final lesson I really want to impart is make sure you touch every female patient's boobs if you have to. Yes, that's right. He does that yeah immediately afterwards. He's like, you know what? He's right. He's right. That's not going to be my final lesson. This is. And another thing. And another thing. Jordan Peele, get him.
00:49:47
Speaker
but but it But it is that question of like, did that get through to him? And yeah is the next episode going to be like everybody else kind of like not realizing that his heart has grown three sizes, right? Or is this going to be like a... that still didn't get through to him and it's going to be more dire. And and honestly, like it could go either way. i think that Noah Wiley played it in such a way to where you could interpret it in either direction. And I'm excited to see which direction it goes in.
00:50:15
Speaker
Or he takes it like a half step where it did kind of get through, but he's not. Because like in reality, a lot of people don't change immediately from one like conversation. Like they might like get some insight, be like, yeah, that's true. But there's still, especially when you're in such a deep, like that's such a deep hole to be in when you're that depressed. like and And yeah, I don't think he's going to immediately crawl out of it. So he's still...
00:50:40
Speaker
gonna even if he's like moving in the right direction, he's still going to... Absolutely. And honestly, like, it's like, I i don't think this is like ableist of me to say or anything, but if she is seizing up and it's getting worse, like, maybe she's not fit for that job. You know, like, because that's like. Well, i mean, I think that's probably why she wanted the second. One of the reasons why she wanted a second attending. Because she's scared, too. At all times. This hasn't been happening like this until time. Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:10
Speaker
but But also it's like, who's to say that this is the day that she finds out that she can no longer be a doctor, right? Like she, I feel like she is in a position where she is coming into this with open palms, right? Where she wants to sort this out, right? I don't get the impression that she's trying to hide her condition, that she's, you know, trying to like suggest having the second attending there. That's why she goes to Robbie, like with the sick. exactly she Exactly. Yeah, she's just sort of like slowly kind of like introducing it to him.
00:51:40
Speaker
but he is yes not really getting in until he reads the the thing. But there was a version of today where she didn't tell him this, right? There was a version of today where this wasn't an issue and this never came up and she was just always a doctor and none of this happened, right? It's because this happened the way that it did today that she is coming to him, right? And I think that that's very fascinating. I think that that is the thing that's like making this to where whatever direction he goes on this, if he goes over the deep end, it's going to be really, ah you know,
00:52:12
Speaker
precarious. Yeah. It's also just kind of interesting because like the way that they were kind of setting it up all the time she was seizing it seemed like they were when she was listening to patients like breathing or like and when she's like the baby. Right. She's like yep're yeah. Yeah.
00:52:30
Speaker
So, like, it it seemed like maybe it was, like, maybe some kind of, maybe PTSD or, like, some kind of, like, traumatic trauma response. ah But I guess it's it's actually, like, a legitimate, like, like physical, like,
00:52:46
Speaker
like neurological neurological issue. which is Which is scary like to have yeah your autonomy taken away, especially when she's seen like she's she's had a successful career up to this point. She's like made a name for herself. She has a good reputation in her field. and like to Also, yeah sorry to interrupt, but but also like lends itself to why she's more open to like the AI stuff a little bit. Yes.
00:53:14
Speaker
Any kind of like extra assist. Yeah. Like yeah and now that trip I'm not I'm not letting her off the hook for that, but it makes sense. Hey, I'd much rather the medical field than an artistic one. I'll put it that way. Well, unless it's like killing people.
00:53:31
Speaker
Exactly. Give us faulty information. In that case, then get it out Have you guys had your doctor? I've been to doctor recently and they've asked if they can use like a program to kind of like help them annotate like the so like, like take notes, basically. I mean, I had my colonoscopy. I had a colonoscopy a few weeks ago.
00:53:50
Speaker
do you not remember at all getting asked about any kind of AI thing whatsoever. so You lib cucks go to the doctor? You guys trust what medicine some stranger can put it in your body? See, this is America where we love capitalism, so it's it's okay. yeah you but You get what you pay for, and in both your cases, you're paying well. You know, you're you're getting the good stuff.
00:54:16
Speaker
Yeah, if I'm paying for it, fucking give me the shots. so Like, come on. phil Fill me up. Give me give me the the five g Yeah, yeah. Hit the microchip. Come on Where's the cyber link?
00:54:29
Speaker
Uh, yeah, no, it's just something I've noticed ah one or two times where they, it was purely just for like note take. I, I just said, yeah, I mean, I don't like it, but i was just like, okay, so it's just for, to help you keep track of notes. So I guess that's fine. I just, I'm just trying to get through the thing and get it over with. I'm just like, yeah, sure. Whatever. It's like, all right, I don't want to have an argument with you about the ethics of AI. An argument. I'm like, yeah. Yeah.
00:54:57
Speaker
That's always the funniest, right? Like those are my favorite kind of conversations where like you get into a conversation with somebody and they say something and it's something that you like morally oppose. And like you have that moment to yourself where you weigh and you're just like, is this the conversation that's worth having this conversation about? You know, like do I really that stuff? You know, the shitty version of that, I feel like is like when you're getting know someone, you really hit it off. And then they like, oh, you use like the R word or something. And then you're like, ah, all right. don't want to make a thing. right. Whatever. I won't say anything. It's like, you know, like, yeah, I was on like a date once and we're like really hitting it off. And then she randomly just threw out. She was like, yeah, my landlord really tried to Jew me. was like, what would you say? Oh my God. Everything up to that point, there was no indication that that's where she was going with any of the, or unless I was just, yeah. And it's like that community, but it's like, Joshua was a Nazi. Like, how could I see? I got swastikas on. Like, I didn't, I didn't see it. Like the fucking John Cena season two. What? Peacekeeper. Peacekeeper season two where he goes to the Nazi. Yeah.
00:56:12
Speaker
yeah I've got the story to beat all stories, but i this this might actually be not safe for work. you know like yeah like like I'll say it like this, actually. you know and I found a safer work way for saying this.
00:56:24
Speaker
One time I hooked up with this girl, right? Woman you know is probably the better way you know to say i was not a ah girl. um But ah I hooked up with this woman. yeah um Yes, yes.
00:56:36
Speaker
Everything went well. Of course. And then at after the fact, she's like, we're, you know, in that phase where like, you know, you're just kind of hanging out and talking, you know, and she brought up the great replacement theory.
00:56:50
Speaker
And it was like one of those situations where like she said that and like I started like slipping out of the bed, you know. Yeah. I'm not talking. like i'm I'm like listening to her talking and I'm just going like, yep. And I'm like putting on my pants, you know, like I'm getting dressed, you know, and then she like finishes up and I'm just like,
00:57:10
Speaker
Well, I think it's time to wrap things up. You know, it's just like one of those things look like, or it's just like, you know what? Out of here, you know, doors. The only person getting replaced in this situation is is you you. Exactly. That was what it was. But but but she was coming from it from the she was coming from from a perspective where she had no idea where this ideology came from. And for me, I was like, you know, oh, like I'm smarter than you. And I know that this is like racist bullshit that you like, you know, heard from somebody else. You thought it was smart. And it was like one of those things. And I'm just like, yeah no way, no how.
00:57:49
Speaker
Get out of my life. Well, I mean, I guess it's it's it's better. Maybe it's a little better that it's the sort of thing where she was like, have you heard of this crazy thing I just read about?
00:57:59
Speaker
as opposed to being like, I've studied this for years. This is the way the world works. That's true. you know That's very true, Jared. If it was like a different situation where it's like, well, let's make sure we're on the same page of a show. She's like know like dogmatic about it instead. yeah but but But it's still, ah you know, a flag of like, well, the fact that you didn't immediately throw that out, that you're like still studying. You're like, oh. And also, let's try let's see let's take a step back for a second, right?
00:58:30
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Post-coital, right? Yeah. This is not a conversation you have, right? This is not a thing, like... why is this something that's floating into your brain? You know, like what inspired this thought? You know, let's just's take a step back and analyze this for a moment. Analyze that, if you will, if you like both films, you know. Yeah, where you where your was your first thought, oh, that was a great, po great, great coital activity between two white people. And then just like, like speaking of white people fucking. Yeah. Yeah. Jesus Christ.
00:59:08
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Maybe she knew that that was going to be game over and she was just trying to like, okay, let's just have a nice night and then I'll throw it at him. Yeah, that was what it it was. She had such a bad time that she was like, I'd rather him, you know, ended up like, that's a really funny idea. that's yeah that's okay That's like her get out of jail free card is like anytime she has a bad night with someone, it's like, great replacement. Yeah. awful. That's like 40. Yeah. That's pretty smart. That's like, that's like in Curve where Larry's wearing the MAGA hat so he doesn't have to talk to people. but yeah Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
00:59:50
Speaker
Yeah, no, you you can choose to edit that out or not, Doug. I don't know. I just think it's a funny thing to bring If you're fine with keeping fine. ah yeah yeah mean Yeah, i don't know. You go first. We're still sometimes out here.
01:00:01
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i don't care. It's fine. It's funny story. We didn't get graphic. It wasn't, you know, we were using PG language. It's okay. It's a family podcast. No, we could fucking say any fucking thing.
01:00:15
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Fuck. Fuck. Hey, yeah families have different, you know, structures. You know, there are many families that allow their kids to hear swearing. That being said, we're goingnna judge you, you know?
01:00:25
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I mean, it is interesting when I hear a parent be like, yeah, and I've saw violent stuff, R-rated stuff as a kid. But when they're like, yeah, violence is okay. It's just nothing sexual. And I'm like, so that, it but it's, it's just, i feel I feel like that's a very American thing. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe our Canadians have,
01:00:43
Speaker
You know, parents have that idea, too. But it seems like why is sex the kind of like that they they shouldn't know anything about that stuff until ever. Like, when do you when do you expect them to like, i mean, especially when kids you're an age of kids have the Internet. So it's like, I don't know, du like ah you can't really hide them from that.
Parenting, Technology, and Chaotic Story Elements
01:01:02
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Yeah, I think it's just, it's like people can't make the adjustment from the world they grew up in to the world that, you know, everyone else is growing up in now. It's, it's sit's it's ah you know, I went through it this way, that therefore everyone goes through it that way.
01:01:19
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It's a selfishness on the part of the parents, right? that Yeah. It is good enough for me, so they should get the exact same thing that I got, not realizing that maybe there's a better road to take. Yeah, that like the times are completely different now and the social outreach is very different and information flows extremely fast.
01:01:37
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Exactly. in a way that it never did before. so And statistically, it's just safer for kids to have sex education from a younger, like it's actually like that's a they' shown. Yeah. they're It's easier to exploit a child if they don't know what that stuff is.
01:01:54
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you know, it's just a matter of how you go about telling them. You don't want to traumatize a kid, but he also like want to you make sure they're aware There's many wonders about technology, right? Like, let let me let me give you a hypothetical, right? Let's say you worked at a hospital, right? And in that hospital, like, somebody got detained by ICE, right? You could use that technology to then wear ah like alert others within the community that, you know, ICE detainment happened close to you and, you know, goes by. So, you know, just to show the pit, you know, it'ss it's a part of these conversations we've been having all along, you know, deeper than we ever thought.
01:02:29
Speaker
I mean, technology plays such a huge role in that show that when they get stripped of it, it makes everybody go crazy. Absolutely. i like that it was just another thing to add to shit because it's like not like that the the going offline was like on the level of the Pit Fest shooting. It was just like a pile of these little things. I do feel like that the going offline was like this season's equivalent of the Pit Fest.
01:02:57
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Yeah, it's the closest thing. Yeah. Because it's like the thing that really just sends the whole the whole floor into like chaos. It's just a different kind of chaos than that shooting.
01:03:08
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And it's the reason they have to stay later. because and it's the Yeah, it's the reason they have to stay later too. It's that, but then it's also like every character has like something at home that's pulling them as well. Like Mohan's got her mom, right? And then like you've got like Langdon with like his wife, you know, like there's um everybody's got like their things, you know, that's like pulling them home as well. I think what you're saying is correct, Jared. You know, like that like there is that as like the escalation.
01:03:37
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But at the same time, like I feel like the escalation is more of a boiling point where it's like that was pushing things. Yeah, yeah. that direction. and Yeah, it's not not a one-to-one at all. It's just like being reductive, speaking reductively. like No, no, and no. I you're saying.
01:03:56
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I think it's like things get so stressful that those other aspects become too hard to ignore. So it's like compounding factors, you know? So we're in the mass casualty event in the first season. It's almost like that because it is so bad. Yeah.
01:04:13
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It pushes them to their end. This is like they've got the other shit and then this stuff just makes it harder for it to for them to concede. Yeah. Yeah. Season one had one big event that turned up the the temperature so much that, you know, that was the breaking points. season two has yeah like the the going offline, the hacker, that is a big thing, but it was basically just like a Jenga tower of like, yeah, piling on as much stuff as possible. be Like, water cyclops. Ice. Yeah, ice. Like, Robbie's motorcycle trip.
01:04:46
Speaker
Some people were upset that the water slide wasn't a bigger thing. And I was like, well, one, I think that's just like a good fake up. But also water slide collapsing realistically, like how many kids could be in it at a time, you know? Yeah, I mean, this isn't Aqua Slash. It's not like there were knives on the slide and like scores of people slid down and got sliced up. Yeah, they just kept going too. Nobody said anything. Yeah. Yeah, they just keep going. Yeah, it's not like the slide breaks and people just, like, keep sliding down. They're just like, I want to ride the broken slide. No, I want to ride the broken slide. want to go again. Yeah. Broken leg. One more time. One more time, please.
01:05:27
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See, I was going to go in a different direction where it's like, you know, yes, it makes no
Medical Dramas and Humorous Comparisons
01:05:31
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sense. You know, like one water slide breaking. How could you have many people get hurt on that? Here's the solution. You have 100 children trying to go down at the exact same time. Yeah. you know Yeah. And that's like it breaks the exact worst moment. And that's what creates the mash casualty. It's not it's like that's the whole reason why it breaks in the first place is because there are too many kids on it. Exactly. They can't hold their weight and then it shatters. They all get injured or die and then it's... Does that satisfy you, pit fans? Is that enough bloodshed for you to have in order for it to be a sufficient mascot? Or it'd be funny if... where There is a big thing. They they just saved it for the very final. like like It's actually just been... Oh, God, yeah. It's a horrible firework fireworks show accident or something. A tornado. It's just like the end of A Serious Man. There's just a tornado. Yeah. It's coming yeah towards them. It's coming toward the pit.
01:06:23
Speaker
Yeah. and and And then a title card comes up that just says, the pit will not return. It's just like everything everything you knew about the show. It's just like, no. Or... Or it's it's it's a yeah you know it's like the pit will return, but its it you know you see it all laid out word by word, but then once it, it before the period drops, the ah will ah was it no the pit will return? In No, question. oh oh that's artsy. The Pit will return? Yeah.
01:06:57
Speaker
So you're not sure? i was thinking at first, I was thinking like, I was thinking you were going to switch the the will to the beginning instead of the pit will return. Will the pit return? But then I was like, wait, no, you can just add. yes You can just do a question mark right there. There you go. Yeah, it's clean. yeah And next season, all new characters, they're like, man, that tornado was crazy that killed everybody. It's like the pit 2.0 of season three.
01:07:21
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yeah Here's what you do for like a new swap out of the pit, right? So if you're going to replace every single actor on the show, here's what you do. You take the exact cast of Scrubs and you put them there and like they're playing it. And then you call it the Schmidt.
01:07:37
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there No, no, no, no. It's the pit. It's still the pit. Still the pit. And it's all the cast from the scrubs and they're just playing it straight. You know, Zach Braff, you know, yeah he's playing for the... the Robbie part. Yeah.
01:07:50
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yeah no He's also the Langdon. You know, he's also got drug problems, you know, just somehow. I should add, actually, I'm from the same town as Zach Braff, but I've never watched Scrubs.
01:08:04
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Have you ever bumped into him? No, but I have delivered a perm basket to his dad. Hey, there you go. I did do that one time. Two degrees of Zach Braff. Rest in peace, Zach Braff's dad. I think he passed away. But I did deliver a perm basket to his house.
01:08:21
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May your ashes be bestowed upon Garden State. Yeah, I did see that. i saw a Garden State. that' That's like my the extent of my Zach Graff. That's enough.
01:08:33
Speaker
Yeah. so I want to watch Grubs I've heard it's a good show. i i liked it because i before The Pit, I didn't really watch medical shows. like Like it was just the more stuff that had, I mean, struggles get dramatic, but But it was mostly it's a comedy. And then I yeah i circled back and watched MASH, which kind of is the same formula where it's like, oh, it's silly. And then occasionally there'll be like some some gut punch. dramatic I want to check out Children's Hospital.
01:08:59
Speaker
Children's Hospital is also funny. Like if you like David Ryan humor, like wet hot. It's like it's a yeah absurd. Bob Corddry is so funny on our show. Like it is a really good time. The whole cast is fantastic. Oh, yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:14
Speaker
was like a good show to watch like now because Pit. It was like MASH. It would be a great show to watch now because of the Pit. MASH is great. I still watch it when, you know, I don't watch Nick at Night like Whitaker does, but it's like one of those other retro channels. It's on tv land too. It's on TV land. MeTV is like another retro channel. MeTV. Yeah. they they they show I just know this is lot my dad watches some of those channels.
01:09:39
Speaker
Yeah, my parents usually have like the the classic sitcoms on. So like, yeah, I've seen, that' how I saw a lot of them. Yeah, sometime my will be watching an episode of MASH. it's it's It's good. I'd say I kind of like it better than, I mean, Altman's fucking awesome, but I kind of like it better than the movie. you know That made me that it's not fair because it's like there's just way more That was like an early Altman too, right? Yeah. I mean, the movie's great because I really like, well, i really like like the first two thirds of the movie and then like the ending is like, they just like play a football game. I'm like, okay, that's fine. Yeah. MASH is not one of his masterpieces. MASH is like a good movie, you know, but then like at a MASH TV show is like a, like it changed TV, you know, like yeah there was before MASH and there was after MASH. And I feel like that. You could do that on TV.
01:10:28
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Like it's like not only was like because you're able to watch MASH in a modern context and feel like you're not missing a beat. Right. Because the structures of shows like yeah ER r and Pit come from MASH. Right. um And like without MASH, those wouldn't happen. Right. So it's like but that's a really cool experience that you can have, you know, to see that lineage and almost feel like you're not missing a beat, you know.
01:10:51
Speaker
For sure. For sure. ah ah But when it comes to ah Robert Altman, you know, like, ah like why didn't they never do like a Robin Williams Popeye show? You know? ah I was going to say a long goodbye show. I'd i'd watch that.
01:11:05
Speaker
they've already got the intro theme. Nashville show. Oh, wait. No, it's Dallas. I was like, wait a second. Nashville. There was a Nashville show. There it was a Nashville show? Okay. I don't know. It was based off the movie, though. No. Okay. was like Hayden Panettiere and like some other... No, but I thought that was Dallas. Oh, maybe it was. I get Dallas.
01:11:26
Speaker
But there was a dallas a show called dallas Dallas. Dallas was the one who shot JR, right? I always get that mixed up with ah the other... like Yeah, there's a show from the 70s called Dallas and then Nashville.
01:11:39
Speaker
Doug, you said... but Oh, yeah, there was a show called Nashville with Hayden Panettiere and... ah ah What's her her name? Is the older singer? i got that pretty tiny birth yeah I got that mixed up with the movie Country Strong with ah Gwyneth Paltrow.
01:11:55
Speaker
Like when guys said that, I just got sent on a full rabbit hole. Country Strong? What is that called? Are you familiar with
Film Critiques and Comparisons
01:12:03
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this film? Yeah, it's called Country Strong. I've never... Oh, this is when they let Garrett Hedlund in movies? Yeah, when he was out of containment for that 10-year walk. They captured him again. He's an SCP. He's an SCP.
01:12:17
Speaker
Just watched him something recently. Oh, Death Sentence. Just watched that for the first yeah I kind of remember liking Death Sentence. It was a handy time. The James Wan film, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. James Wan action or violent action.
01:12:32
Speaker
that That parking garage sequence is fantastic. That's the one I remember. and i Oh, God, yeah. that that That shot is so fucking good. love that, like, he'll, you know, his movies are so just, like, B-movie, but he just puts, like, the most, like, effort into the presentation. Yeah. Like, you know, the way they're shot and stuff. Like, it's just fun. Yeah.
01:12:53
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I love that that that that ah garage shot where you're seeing all the levels. Yeah. And he has to run the whole fucking thing to the top, and then it ends with a jump scare, which is great.
01:13:03
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if you guys like if If you guys like Death Sentence, you should check out ah the Kevin Costner film, ah Albert Brooks. No, not Albert Brooks. Mr. Brooks. It's funny. Oh, yeah. I wanted to see that. That's another one. I haven't seen it, but I want to. to He's like a killer in that. He's like yeah's like a It goes off the deep end.
01:13:24
Speaker
The idea is that he is a killer and then he has like an alter ego that he sees, but rather than it being played by Kevin Costner himself, it's William Hurt. So it's like William Hurt is going crazy next to him as he's like, you know, I don't want to kill me. You know, it's, it's, it's. really Yeah.
01:13:43
Speaker
I got to see that one. That sounds and it's like not on streaming. It's just like on Amazon to, to buy like, like a, disc or whatever physically well you know you'd always just do the easy way just pirate it you know yeah you that way yeah fucking you know all the websites I know those I won't name them here we all know we know we know what we're talking about yeah ah yeah
01:14:12
Speaker
Yeah, now I want to rewatch Death Sentence. I remember liking that. I mean, that was like a better Death Wish remake than the actual Death Wish. Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. It's... Because it like does not hold back, which is fun in terms of the consequence that he faces for doing what he's doing.
01:14:31
Speaker
And just you see him so transformed by that. Because I love the scene of like, doesn't John Goodman at the end be like, see what I made you or something? Or so like, like, because he's like literally there's something fucked up by the end.
01:14:43
Speaker
Yeah, John Goodman's character. He's great. He's got, because he's like the bad guy's like dad. And then like I watched the extended cut. So there's an extra scene with him where he like finds, I think he finds um ah Kevin Bacon and he he kind of gives him like the sort of the go ahead to like cut down his son or something. I forget if that was the extended bit or through. Oh, wait, no, it was it was with his son, with Garrett Hedlund, I think.
01:15:11
Speaker
Like, it's like an extra scene where he's, like, yelling at him or getting mad or something. It's funny. Like, at a gas station. well Weirdly enough, I feel like that that movie would do a great double feature with ah James Gunn's Super.
01:15:25
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Although, I feel like Super is, like, even more, like, grim. Although, I guess they're both is pretty grim. But I guess Super goes the extra...
01:15:39
Speaker
It even goes a bit further than Death Sentence. ah that That's a movie that we promised to do a podcast episode on, and we never did one. We didn't follow through on that super episode. Honestly, I would do a whole honestly an interesting movie. I i watched it. Me at me and my ah my ex, when we were together, we watched it.
01:16:00
Speaker
and We were both pretty... ah We were entertained. And also, like... it was It was a little like interesting ah ah because elliot Page just watching watching his character. His performance is crazy. Yeah. The arc in that film that he has to do is crazy. like yeah i don't want to sound too hyperbolic. I would say that James Gunn's super should be put in the Criterion Collection.
01:16:31
Speaker
I think that, like, that that is the kind of movie that, like, should be in that kind of realm. Just for fun. You know, why not? You know, out of all the superhero films, I feel like that's the one that did something different with the film. Like, truly subversive. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You know? Like, everything else, it's always still within the framework of, like, oh, it's a Spider-Man movie, but, like, you know, this time he's really sad. Yeah. like it's always bullshit like that. It's like...
01:16:57
Speaker
it is It's also just one of those things, too, where going back to like Elliot Page's character, like the way that he's performed, like all that, just like knowing ellie like knowing where where he went, you know like it's just like watching, it it feels like you're watching like a rabid, you know, you know like...
01:17:18
Speaker
like rabid male fan of like a comic book thing. Like, you know, like it gets, it's, it's, there's like elements of that, like already. It's playing to that fantasy, like of those guys, but, but, yeah you know, at the time playing like through a female character. So it's like, it's like an interesting flip.
01:17:38
Speaker
of of that so and it came out around the same time as the kick ass movie but I remember being disappointed in that because like I and I don't really mind if something's different from the comic but I liked how grim that kick ass comic yeah the comic was yeah really fucked up in the movie pull punches it conscious it It embraced a lot of the tropes that I was wanting it to subverse by the end. And because like the yeah main one involving Nicolas Cage's character where it's like you find out, no, he's not like the Punisher or cop looking for re revenge. Like he made up that whole backstory just so he could like but be a hero. Like he lied to his daughter and fed her cocaine so they can like... Like, go around being killer vigilantes, but they keep they keep it they keep the nobility of his character in the the... Yeah. Of, like, no, he was, like, he just wanted revenge. He was a good he was a good guy. And I was like, no, that's a boring... We've seen that story. And at the time, when I saw it as a kid, I loved it. So I can see, like... yeah
01:18:39
Speaker
Like when I was, you know, when I was like 11 or whatever, yeah or whatever old I was when I watched both Super and Kick-Ass, Kick-Ass appealed to me way more. Like Super, I was like, oh it's a crowdp this is like, i watched him when i was with my parents when I was like 11 or 12. I was definitely too young and my parents were like, oh, you should not have watched this with you. But even still, I was like, as a kid, I was like, ah, I like some of the action, but like this doesn't feel right to me.
01:19:07
Speaker
Whereas Kick-Ass was like, I love this movie. This is my favorite movie ever when I watched it as I'm like an 11-year-old. ah But now, you know, as like an adult, it's like, now I'm not saying Super is my favorite movie all time. It's not. right But no like I can see, i feel like that movie has aged well better like it's definitely a more interesting movie not to degrade because I think kick ass is what like there's some fun stuff in that movie for sure and there's also an interesting yeah and there's an interesting social kind of element you know like the plot of that movie being that but you know the fact that he's like he wants to get with the girl but he she thinks he's gay and that's a huge issue
01:19:46
Speaker
I guess, you know, it's obviously, huge but like, you know, the way that it's like done and all that, like it feels very like 2010, like 2010 gay panic movie. Yeah. Like comedy. Because in the movie it works out. He gets her at the end, right? because because He still gets her. and yeah's about va film in Yeah. the comic book he doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. It completely backfires and she loses her forever.
01:20:10
Speaker
She maces him and then that's it. It's a lot of Bond films so like women have to be a prize for the men to win. Yeah. Right? Yeah. and and And another thing too is like Kick-Ass is I still defend Layer Cake from Matthew Bond. No, no, it's... Layer Cake is fun. Layer Cake is a fun movie. And Stardust too.
01:20:30
Speaker
had fun with Stardust. Matthew Bond is not a bad filmmaker. I'm going to say that. First Class is one of the better X-Men movies. don't know. I don't know what happened with Argyle. You know?
01:20:42
Speaker
Yeah, that needed more either. It didn't i was going to yeah i was like i was about to say I was about to say it needed more time in the tank, and then I was like, well, maybe could have just been different. When I saw yeah when i saw Dune 2 opening day, they accidentally in my theater, this was IMAX, they started playing Argyle. That's amazing. You can hear, we can start to feel everyone getting angry. We weren't sure if it was like a prank it we're like okay yeah this is a mix and then it was just like oh it's a mix-up they'll fix it but it kept going it was like more than how long did it go more than five ten minutes before someone got up almost time my yeah yeah got up and like got someone to change it and then then then we applauded we're like yeah like yeah yeah yeah
01:21:28
Speaker
I just like the idea that people are just getting upset the more they see Bryce Dallas Howard. They're just like, get her off the screen. that's right. It's all the Henry Cavill. Yeah, the crazy guy. Yeah, Dua Lipa. Bizarre Bond haircut or whatever. Not even a Bond haircut. Just a bizarre square haircut.
01:21:48
Speaker
rectangle haircut. i don't know. Fucking, I guess man from uncle haircut. If you want to be derivative in the sense that yeah you want, know, um, the, uh, yeah, no, the thing with Matthew Vaughn to get back to what I was saying with kick ass is that like before there was that Kingsman, you know, church sequence, there were those hit girl, It was the Hickory Hallway. Yeah. Yeah. like Yeah. People would watch that all the time. And the one with ah Big Daddy. cage Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was like the big thing. And then he was like, I got to outdo that. and then he did the church.
01:22:21
Speaker
And then that has been like the crowning, his like crowning achievement as a director. Probably. a vicious statement. that's That's what he does as a filmmaker is he makes these like, you know, poppy, like pop art is what I was saying. You know, musical sequences in terms of violence. and Where the camera's moving very fluidly and everyone is like very, like highly choreographed, lots of like CG blood, but it looks good. It's not like garish. It's like, it you know, it's like... kinetic Yeah. There's a fluidity to it. and Yeah. And, and, and the thing is, is that those ah sequences are meant to be enjoyed outside of like any kind of morality, you know, this yeah violence is supposed to be weightless. Right. And i think that if we're talking about the main difference between like what makes kick-ass work and what makes super work is that kick-ass is like, you know, an escapist fantasy, you know, yeah and super does work as like a grounded text. It feels yeah like, you know, this is, All the violence in that movie feels real in no way that like the violence and kick ass feels more fan fantasy, even though the whole point and the the thing that makes that movie feel like counterintuitive is the fact that like it's presenting itself as if like it's the real, you know, like this is what a real comic book movie would be.
01:23:35
Speaker
And by the time he has a jet pack in his spine. Yeah, and he's like doing, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah So, you know, the bad guy gets bazooka out of his own building and then blown up very cartoonishly.
01:23:47
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ah Super, the violence is like disturbed. like a Yeah, whereas Michael Rooker gets his head smashed into the corner. Yeah, and then the bad guy just gets stabbed.
01:23:58
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yeah Yeah. You know, bad guy just gets stabbed repeatedly and then he rescues wife, but they don't really get back together. Right. It's like he's good. He saves. Yeah. But she's scarred. She's traumatized. Yeah. Of what happened. no it's not even that.
01:24:12
Speaker
It's not even that. She's not attracted to You know? Yeah, she doesn't go back. Yeah. like She was with him because she she was a junkie and they were both in recovery at the same time. Exactly. Just like, you know, yeah, into each other. he he was really in love with her, but it was just, yeah. Yeah. Because he's an idiot. She wasn't, yeah, that's where he wants that idea. Yeah.
01:24:30
Speaker
I love that movie because it's like, hit not only is it like the idea of like him realizing that that was never true love. Right. But then it's also him being okay with it. You know, that, that's, that takes a level of maturity, you know, from James Gunn's perspective as a writer, you know, yeah kind of thing, you know, and, and, and, and when it comes to like your superhero traditional stories, I get, this feels closer to taxi driver than it does like, you know, a Batman thing. And I'm like, that's what makes me appreciate that more. Yeah.
01:25:00
Speaker
um But yeah. It's like the most the com most comic booky it gets is like the dream sequence and then like all the cartoonish little like ah bam, flam, flam when people are getting shot with shotguns and stuff. Which is like more
James Gunn's Filmography and Influence
01:25:15
Speaker
of a joke than anything. like yeah I read that as mental degradation. like i Oh yeah, that too. Him like, you know, going through a mass psychosis. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:25:24
Speaker
Because from the very beginning, it tells you that like he's seen that he's like, I've i've seen like Jesus since I was a little boy. And then he just was like, what's up?
01:25:34
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yeah I love the part where he gets his head cut open and all that. I love that. That like a callback to Slither. so so so So the voice of God in that sequence zomb is Rob Zombie. Yeah. and and and And one of my favorite sequences in what you're talking about, Doug, is like there's it's flashing through all those things quickly. He gets introduced to Liv Tyler and then like you hear the voice of God go, marry her. I i just love that, you know?
01:26:05
Speaker
kind of neat kind of crazy to think what if we had a world where James Gunn just made those kinds of movies instead ah that's the good ending but say it it is kind of crazy his trajectory of like I'm rooting for him but it's who crazy that he's doing like the most mainstream thing but like he yeah Superman like that the yeah he went from super so so Superman Superman but I like Superman. I had a fun time with that movie. i had a really fun time with that movie. I enjoyed it more than like a lot of the other stuff that had been coming out. You know, I liked it. I liked it better than Guardians 3 in terms of James superhero stuff. Like, yeah, I'll put it this way. You know, like Steven Spielberg one time, he answered like what his top five movies were and he put the first Guardians of the Galaxy on his list. Right. That changes a filmmaker. Right. When like you are like, like you are recognized by the greats as a great, you know? Yeah. um Yeah. I feel like James Gunn, like he is in a different stratosphere in the sense mentality.
01:27:01
Speaker
And I don't think that's super, I think a Superman is probably like one of his worst movies, you know, just like if we're talking about, you know, a stacking them Comparatively, yeah. Because his other ones are so strong. I mean, like like, I still put it above, Guardians 3 was like good, but it just didn't like, but I think it was just the high of Guardians 2, which is like one of my favorite MCU that's probably my favorite MCU movie. And then, so three was like, yeah, it's pretty good, but it just didn't like hit me in the same, probably because, well, it still has father, there's daddy issues in all those movies, but it just didn't hit the thing. It would have been cool if they killed off the record.
01:27:37
Speaker
i Yeah, they should have gone that full step. It seemed like someone needed to die. I was like, yeah. Yeah. ah The way they were building up the first half of that movie was as if something bad was going to happen and then nothing bad happened. And so then I was a little like, okay, it was still nice. I still yeah it's liked it. I still, you know, like it was still, uh, had a lot, lot of fun bits, some bits that were a little like, eh, but then there were some other bits that I was like, you know, that's good.
01:28:05
Speaker
That's fun. Oh, I'm going to make this bold claim, but I'm going to make it because I believe it. um I feel as though, because like, you know, 10, 20, 30, 40, however many years from now, you know, people are going to look back on this recent period in filmmaking, the past 10, 20 years of filmmaking where these Marvel films were starting to be made, right? I truly feel that of all of them, the Guardians films will be the only ones that stand the test of time. I feel like Guardians of the Galaxy will be the only trilogy and...
01:28:35
Speaker
ah like i'm I'm saying this, Guardians the Galaxy was our generation Star Wars. And like we haven't really adjusted to that just yet. And I feel like when people realize that like most people care most about the Guardians rather than any of the other superheroes, like other than like Spider-Man or Batman or whatever, you know, like Guardians the Galaxy.
01:28:56
Speaker
I mean, it's it's probably the most impressive sort of like thing that ever happened in terms of like, before that movie happened, nobody cared about those characters. But then once that movie happened, everybody, it was like everyone knew who they were. The the original movie. Beforehand, nobody, nobody, you know, your average person had no idea what, like, any of the Guardians, Star-Lord or, like, Rocket Raccoon. I barely knew who they were. They weren't. I didn't know. You know, yeah. Like, they were just, like, a random sort of, like, ah ah and one-off run to the litter types. You know, like, yeah.
01:29:32
Speaker
The original plan was to kill them off. They were going to have it. So the first movie was the only movie and they were going to get killed off. So then Thanos was shown to be so crazy. Right. But but the reason I'm bringing this up, right, is that, you know, OK, so all of these movies that came out with these Marvel movies, you know, like all the oh oh we're doing Captain America, we're doing Iron Man. These are all nostalgia of things that are much older.
01:29:56
Speaker
You know, these are things that have no organic, you know, baseline within the now. Right. Guardians the Galaxy felt like its own thing that could be owned by the generation in which it came out.
01:30:07
Speaker
You know, all the other stuff was still like, you know, nostalgia for a prior period. And I think I feel like when you take a step back and you look at all the stuff that's come out in the past, like 10, 15 years, the kids that grew up on this media, there was nothing that represented them because it was all nostalgia of, you know,
01:30:23
Speaker
Jurassic Park or, you know, Independence Day or whatever. Right. Like it was just like, you know, all that shit, you know, think it's interesting that there was something at least in that flurry of nostalgia for old people that everybody could agree on. That's all I wanted to say about that. It's kind of funny too, because you kind of kind of point to that, especially the first one, of the soundtrack is like an 80s homage. Yeah.
01:30:45
Speaker
Oh, that's true. Nostalgia is part of it yeah Yeah. But that's separate from like, you know, like because because like ah a Thor or Captain America or an Iron Man, you know, these are like figures that exist within like American culture specifically. Right. We're like, even if you haven't read the comics or seen any of the films, yeah passing knowledge. Exactly. Yeah. Guardians the Galaxy, they come out of nowhere. You know, like their introduction these films, that's them, you know, your eyes. And it's a genre that wasn't just like all the, lot of the other Marvel stuff. Most of it is just their superhero movies. That's a genre. Like, like guardians is being like, it's a space adventure, you know, like it's, it's, it's playing, it has tropes. It's playing too, but it's not doing the, like the standard superhero thing. Yeah, but then it it also did define the tone going forward for sure. Like, where then after Guardians came out, everybody was trying to be like Guardians, like, with, like, that that the quipping and the cracking jokes right after a serious moment and, like, ah you know, like, the space-faring nests of it all.
01:31:51
Speaker
ah But... Doesn't take away from those movies, though. is there Those movies are still really well-known. They stand on their own because like they tie into the overall thing, but you don't really if you don't watch any other Marvel, you might be slightly confused in 3 about Nora stuff, but they explain Yeah, but that's about that's about it.
01:32:10
Speaker
They explain it. There's so much exposition that catches you know brings you up to speed. you know i yeah You might be like, what happened to Thanos? I saw him for a second. Oh, OK, that's in another movie.
01:32:21
Speaker
I wonder if in like 70 years from now, there's going to be people who talk about James Gunn like they talked about, like John Ford with the Westerns, you know, where they're just like, here's this great filmmaker who like mastered their genre. You know, they only did one genre or whatever. You know, like James Gunn's going to be at the end of buddy, that director's movie.
01:32:42
Speaker
My buddy that directed a trauma movie is going to have his Fableman's moment where he walks into James Gunn's office, points to the, like, the paintings on the wall, and he's like, I want you to tell me the first thing that comes to your mind about the painting. He's like, what? He's like, yeah. Where's the horizon line?
01:32:58
Speaker
Where's the horizon line? It's where the boobs are. I'm going off of trauma. I'm going off to trauma. Yeah. so ah yeah but her as a line of her pussy no edit that out edit that out keep it in double it
01:33:19
Speaker
I mean it works for the bit I don't know yeah yeah it works for the bit yeah Ooh, we're a great way to tie it back. Speaking of which, do we have anything else to say about this episode? Oh, God. Yeah, we did go on a major tangent.
01:33:38
Speaker
mean, as we do, I feel like we covered all the major things. I'm just scrolling through. Oh, there is there was the one scene with ah Dr. Ellis, who I'm looking forward to her being a regular next season, but where she basically states plainly for the people, I guess, who are like bad at watching the show. It was like. yeah Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. he's Robbie's like angry at himself. He's not mad at you.
01:34:06
Speaker
Right. yeah That was a little bit of like, that was a little bit of like, a little bit of like, ah here's your, here's your breakfast audience. Here you go. ah spoon feeding. But also the character kind of needed that. I think he, he wasn't, it was a moment where the character needed to get that information.
01:34:23
Speaker
The audience already has that information, but the character needed to hear it. So it's like, all right, okay. Langdon had picked up on that and maybe a small percentage of the audience online picked up on that. So you give ah yeah that was useful for them.
01:34:37
Speaker
Yeah. Langdon thought somebody ate 351 hot dogs. You know, things were good for him. You know, so he got to be little softer him. Yeah, hot dogs.
01:34:49
Speaker
Got to humor him. Exactly. no. Great point. I don't know. I had nothing else to add. Yeah, there may again and it might be an exchange or two that we forgot about, but don't know. It's a dense show.
01:35:04
Speaker
a lot happens in every episode. I'm just really curious. Even though they're shorter. Yeah, I'm just curious what the Mohan... Oh, speaking of... Well, I guess it doesn't tie into the episode length, but like it's interesting that...
01:35:16
Speaker
most of this season we don't follow Robbie into the bathroom, but we do see him in the bathroom. It's like right after he talks with Duke, right? Or is it? It's after one of the conversations. Well,
01:35:30
Speaker
Yeah, i think it's like midway through because he's he gets interrupted while he's pissing. He's like, they need him. um And then it cuts to he's pissing and then gets like a call and he stops and he does. Oh, OK. This is something. This is this is I have beef. I have i have some.
01:35:45
Speaker
um Robbie did not use soap when he washed his hands. He used hand sanitizer. Did Yeah, when he wo in when he came out, he hit the hand sanitizer. He did.
01:36:00
Speaker
Yeah, he did. Okay. Fuck, damn it. All right, there goes my beef. All right, sorry. I'm going to go on all things. I mean, that would one step ahead. Noah Wiley is one step ahead. It's on me. I missed that. I'm unobservant as hell.
01:36:14
Speaker
I'm a phone guy. My head is buried in my phone all the time, and so therefore I missed the very important detail that Robbie, in fact, used Purell. HBO needs to take up the Netflix thing, you know, where they need to have their characters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They need to set have it. It's clearly HBO's fault. They needed to have Robbie say, I'm taking here's my Purell for my hands because I didn't have soap for it because I needed to be on duty instead of washing my hands.
01:36:45
Speaker
Don't worry, audience at home. Despite my increasingly deteriorating mental status, um I am still making sure that I do not pass along my harmful pathogens to other patients. I almost called them customers again. it's like It's like the doctor. It's like that whoever he was going to like with the patient knew he was taking a piss. And it's just like, Robbie, did you wash your hands after you pissed? And he's like, I didn't. I didn't, but I did get Purell. I did use Purell. Don't worry. Yeah.
01:37:14
Speaker
but the thing too though is they break the blocking logic and they just address it directly to the camera so we don't miss it Jonathan Demme yeah the camera guy gets right in there between them it's like a shot out of moonlight and they also do the Spike Lee shot so he's floating yes exactly
01:37:39
Speaker
it's It's like that, ah ah the one with Lawrence Fishburne where he's lee's on the crane and he goes up in the sky. yeah forget what that one's called. i um ah lu Would it be okay if I were to step out for just one moment?
01:37:54
Speaker
yeah Yeah, go for it. I mean, we're going to be wrapping up here, but yeah. we will yeah yeah yeah You guys can keep going. I'm just going to take these out and you guys keep going if you are if you want. or in I don't know. yes sort of I'll be right back. Yeah, chit-chat. Yeah, we can keep...
01:38:14
Speaker
That was me getting into er r is a a lot of watching that, which it's it's fun. like i like so It's interesting seeing it after the the pit and like the...
01:38:27
Speaker
but Yeah. There is, like, some thematic crossover, especially in like, some of the storylines with, like, different patients. there's like, you know, like, a whole do not resuscitate thing that kind of reminded me of season one and stuff like that. But, like, just it's it's just... It's just a different tone because we talked about, like, how focused the pit is on Robbie's arc, but it's also...
01:38:47
Speaker
uh er r is a lot soapier you know like it's like relationship a lot of like the stuff that the pit fans online talk about i feel like they would lose their minds with er r the word like they're actually fucking each other in that which is juicy i like that that's like that's the stuff that keeps me oh actually maybe i should stop it just said there's a same emotion too this time with feeling I feel like and like last time, ah Doug, I felt like... It was a good first take. Yeah. so So, Doug, I felt like you were coming in a little harsh, ah you know, at the start, you know, and then you kind of petered out, you know, so, like, maybe on this go-around, you know, try to keep that energy persistent, you know? And not not now, Jared, like, I felt like you were a bit lost in the woods, you know? i like like i feel Like, I feel like, you know, like, you were... Not the first time someone... Yeah. you know like I'm bringing up all of the worst ah director conversations you had sorry about that you know didn't inspire your Jima flashbacks um just
01:39:52
Speaker
Don't worry, don't worry. Nothing like ah that one guy who got literally got Iwo Jima'd in that episode. Exactly. Exactly. Yes. I always like that reference because in my mind, I'm just like, they're Clint Eastwood fans.
01:40:05
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That was that was such a great... I love the... They're wheeling in and they're still having a fight. Yeah. yeah but this's yeah is Is that the guy that Jack Abbott tells to shut up?
01:40:19
Speaker
I think so. yeah Yeah. A great moment from him, right? Because like, yeah do no harm idea of the hospital, that goes out the window when somebody's being an asshole, you know? Like, you like you shut up, man. Like, do you no harm, but shut the fuck up.
01:40:32
Speaker
Exactly. there there's no harm there's There is no harm in shutting the fuck up. There really isn't. It's actually better for your health, especially if you have a like a flag in you and they're going to have to to operate on you. I like when the guy was like, can't you just pull it out in both him and Robin? They're like, no. No.
01:40:57
Speaker
like I wish it was like arrow logic, you know, like they they cut it, you know, then they just had that. Yeah. The tip. i Yeah. could Pull it through. Yeah.
01:41:08
Speaker
And maybe they do like a carterize, you know, they just like put like a hot piece of metal right. now yeah you know and And then they're good, you know? Yeah. It's like medieval times, you know? it bos If we had a whole night shift season, do you think Abbott would still be, because he's just like a cool, chill uncle now, but like, i feel like he would, i mean, he's like, was in the military. He's like a SWAT. Yeah, you would find out, you know, he he'd he'd get the kind of like that the, the, therm the,
01:41:34
Speaker
the the appropriate amount of like trauma that your lead for a show like that would need to have. It's just that because he's like the supporting guy where he's like the cool uncle of the show but then you know when we get night shift he'll become the dark dark horse like traumatized you know fucked up dude that that we all love to hate.
01:41:54
Speaker
in the way that Robbie is. But he berates men instead of women. He goes the other direction. There we go. sorry daughterterma Oh, yeah. Like, he's just he's extremely sexist toward the men. Yeah. He's a misandrist. sandary yeah yeah yeah but but it But it stems from a place where it's like he just feels inadequate because he only has one leg, right? So it's ah it's actually because, like, he's jealous of other people who have... Oh, the men with two legs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's, oh you think you're so, you're top shit because you got both your legs, you know? It's like one of those things, you know?
01:42:24
Speaker
i was thinking, like because like, because it's the night shift, you know, they got to do something to kind of differentiate, like, tonally and all that stuff. I think that's where you bring in, like, the genre elements, you know? So, like, you know, Jack Abbott, you know, it's revealed that, like, not only did he work for cops, but he also worked for Area 51. Ooh, X-Files. is too. So, there you go. It's it's tied in with Ryan Coogler. Also, like the ka shift Night Shift, you can bring ghosts into the mix. you can make it even more like... You make a season that's like Lars von Trier's kingdom.
01:42:58
Speaker
Exactly. And also, what I was going to... How funny would it be if, like, the pit had an exorcism? You know? Like, the idea of when somebody comes in and they're possessed.
01:43:09
Speaker
Like, that would be really cool. It sucks that he passed away, but they could have, you know, when he was still alive, you know, had Udo Kier show gear your show up Udo Kier. Yes. Going, thinking more about the, I'm still on Kingdom. Kingdom, yeah. I got to watch season three. only watched the original two seasons. I haven't watched the third season yet, but the first two seasons are pretty fun. It's fun show. it on Mubi? I think so. It's on Mubi. No, I don't pay for Mubi, but I'd probably have someone's log.
01:43:36
Speaker
Sure. Yeah. No. yeah The thing is, all those companies probably have shitty people giving them money. It's just that Mubi was the one that got caught. A24 is equally as complicit if you look at the numbers. Yeah. But when it comes... There was that article that came out today, actually, where they said that they lost 200,000 subscribers. Yeah, subscribers. It's actually worse than that.
01:44:02
Speaker
it's It's actually worse than that. If you look deeper, so like that was based on the projections of the quarter. So like the idea was that they had ah they they were projecting for two million subscribers for the end of the year. And then apparently, like, not only did they not meet that quota, but then they lost two two hundred thousand whoa subscribers.
01:44:22
Speaker
So it's like that's what the real number is. So it's just, and it's insane how toxic Israel. mean, not that it's obviously it's rightful. Obviously it's justified. Obviously it's what should be happening, but I'm still just remarking on how like incredible, like how insane, uh, how like insanely toxic Israel has just become now.
01:44:45
Speaker
So the point where if, you know Multiple companies have backers that also probably donate money to Israel, but Mubi was the one that got caught, and then they got really fucking caught.
01:44:57
Speaker
Five ago. Five years ago, would not have been nearly... you know would have would have had some you know would have been some like conversation there would have but would not have been no There wouldn't be. i think I would wager there wouldn't be. i think that that I think there would be like an underground conversation. i think there would be French conversation for sure. That makes sense. It's like, the you know, there's always been an anti-Israel, you know, co a group of people first, you know, because like Israel they always would shit for a while doing shit. Yeah. You know, it's like yeah there have been reasons to be anti-Israel forever. It's just that now it's like become more popular.
01:45:36
Speaker
like Exactly. But but ah it's just insane to the degree in which it's been like, ah you know, to the fact that like now it's like, it's, it's, it's bad to like admit that you have a company, you know,
01:45:53
Speaker
benefiting you that also benefit them like in a way that's like neutral to it that's not even like we like these guys it's like they didn't say they like them they were just like this is a part of business being in a big company like us yeah essentially is like the vibe of their response but then you're like of course we're gonna get the israeli yeah yeah things um yeah uh You know, obviously, but also it's a good thing in the sense that like, you know, maybe going forward, keep these companies won't actually be getting, you know, money. They'd have a conscience.
01:46:26
Speaker
Yeah, they'd think like, okay, we see what just happened to Mubi. We don't want to go, away we we don't want to be like them. you Yeah, and maybe not blacklist actors who are pro-Palestine. That too. You know, like that. That too. That's a Paramount thing. I don't think Mubi was doing, Mubi wasn't doing this. No, I'm just talking in general. It's more than Paramount.
01:46:45
Speaker
It is. Yeah. No, because Doug, you're right, because there is a blacklist that's operating right now where it's like people who speak out about Palestine are being blacklisted, not just from Paramount. I mean, Susan Sarandon can't even get work here. Exactly. Like she has to go to like Europe and stuff. She had to fucking show up at Sabrina Carpenter's concert last night.
01:47:01
Speaker
she Did you see that? She she made a cameo appearance at Sabrina Carpenter's oh that's thing. and I'm like, that's the the last thing she's done acting-wise. Well, I mean, that's it's one way to do it. I mean, you know, <unk>s like I think like of all the ways to quote-unquote slum around or whatever, I think that's like a pretty cool way of doing it. like Yeah, so Sam Elliott was there too, you know? like It's not like he was the only one, you know?
01:47:23
Speaker
yeah Sam Elliott was on stage at s Sabrina Carpenter? That I didn't know, actually. I didn't realize Sam Elliott was there. From what I understand, there i was pre-taped segments, you know? Oh, he was in one of the pre-taped segments?
01:47:38
Speaker
Yeah, and and I believe so Samuel Jackson did some voiceover work, and then I think another celebrity showed up as well. but like I think it's because she's like a huge movie fan, and she's like going to all the people she grew up watching, being like, hey, can you please do my music video?
01:47:54
Speaker
And then, you know. She's a really cool celebrity in that sense. She does seem cool. I don't listen to her music, but like, don't every little tidbit I hear or whatever music video clip I see, I'm like, oh, that's neat. Well produced, sure, you know, it's like.
01:48:08
Speaker
every I'm an easy mark. Like once you hang out with the Muppets, I'm like, you're pretty, you're all right with That's what I was going to say. I feel like she was perfectly suited for the Muppets, too. like I feel like she has that kind of, like, you know, somewhere between serious and sort satirical, right? like And also, of course, you said energetic. and And then also, like, think about the Muppets. You know, she's a very short person, you know? You got to have somebody who's going to be able to, know. She's got big eyes, well that's very expressive.
01:48:35
Speaker
There you go, right? You know. She could be she could she could have a Muppet version of herself, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Was Jason Segel too tall? Is that why he could only do one Muppet movie? And they were like, get out of here. That was actually a big problem. like and That was a big problem with the production was that he was really big. It's like there's like a a Dead Silence style like twist.
01:48:59
Speaker
where Was that what that one was called? The other James Bond? Where it's the yeah human puppet? Yeah, I love that. I love that twist so much. I really like that shot because the whole movie was about this idea where it's like if you made a sound when the doll was near you, then the doll could kill you kind of thing, right? And there's this one shot in the movie where you're following...
01:49:22
Speaker
the protagonist as they're like flying up in the air and they have to stop themselves from screaming, you know? There's a really, like, that movie's got some cool Sam Raimi shit in it, despite it also being boring. um What i was also going to say on the on the on the Israel topic that we were talking about before, before i was thinking about how we like, you know...
01:49:41
Speaker
how do we tie it into the pit? And I'm thinking that we bring Hassan Piker onto the pit, you know? who Yeah. who appear Either as a patient or as a doctor, Hassan Piker, feel like he's broken. feel like he's the doctor.
01:49:54
Speaker
he's a doctor, he's like the doctor that they all fucking hate. They're all trying to like come up with like his tendencies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then he comes in and he's like, now you need to do this, and you need to that, need to do this. And they all yell at him and then the patient dies. He describes Langdon this whole season. You just, you're like, the sawn biker should just be Langdon. mean, if the shoe fits. Yeah, exactly. And why not have two, right? You can't have too much of a good thing, right?
01:50:23
Speaker
Yeah. yeah i I was just going to suggest they clone him and they have two of them in the next year, but that, know you know. But then the other problem too, though, Actually, the problem with Hassan's character is that ah he's even worse than Dr. J. He's like got a Twitch. He's streaming. He's Twitch streaming the whole time he's in the hospital. like and it's like a huge HIPAA problem. Everyone is like on his ass because he's like violating the fuck out of HIPAA.
01:50:53
Speaker
And he just like does not care. It's like, he's like, this is good information for my audience. I'm like really bringing like to light all these medical issues and like a real, like, like a firsthand kind of way.
01:51:04
Speaker
and i imaginegi this and important work at the same time, At the same time, he's getting into like really like pedantic, stupid arguments with his chat because it's like they're misunderstanding something or rage baiting him into saying something. or it's just like He's always having this like third conversation whenever he's with any of the other characters because like e you know it's just just constant presence. you know it wouldd be a It would just make it it would it would add a whole new level of chaos to
01:51:36
Speaker
ah pretty much. Jared, this conversation just illustrated that you definitely watch Assange Biker, which, you know, so for anybody who's listening, who's also a member of the ADL, get them.
01:51:49
Speaker
I'm just kidding.
01:51:55
Speaker
Anti-Semite of the Year coming my way. Jared Gilman. Yep, there it yep lunch yeah Never be allowed to go to my synagogue ever again to help to help pack perm baskets every year. It's literally the extent of what I do. I go and i help them pack the perm baskets every every year with all the different goodies and stuff. And it's... it's It's giving back to the community. It's meticulous work. Yeah.
01:52:21
Speaker
You got to make sure every member of the community gets every single goody item and no one gets double booked or under booked. You know, it's 400 bags or so and you got to make sure each oh gee each of them.
01:52:34
Speaker
Yeah, it's ah it's a whole thing every year. and my mom's My mom was helping running it and then I think, i don't know if she wants to do anymore. It's kind of a lot of work. It's hectic. hectic shit.
01:52:46
Speaker
It's annoying. It's pectic shit, but that's also like good religious shit. Almost. I see, you know, like, again, that's giving back to people, you know, yeah you know it it is a little, it is a little uncomfortable.
01:52:58
Speaker
It is. A little uncomfortable ah because, you know. i' sure it's tough. Yeah. Yeah. They have, ah we stand with Israel signs around. yeah You know, there's, you got to show your support to Israel.
01:53:15
Speaker
Placons, signs and stuff. And every time I just want to like flip it off or whatever, say something under my breath, but I don't. I always wondered with with different synagogues because like here in Canada, right? Because like ah like obviously I'm not Jewish, you know, there's no reason for me to go to a synagogue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. but But at the same time, you know, like sometimes I'll like drive by or I'll take the public transit and i'll I'll pass by synagogues. And I feel like there's like varying degrees, you know, like sometimes the whole, you know, like this synagogue will be like so... outward with support for Israel and then other ones will just be, you know, just a synagogue, you know? so Yeah. So like, you know, it's like, I, this is admittedly something that concerns me pretty deeply, like, in terms, like, like the the, like, because i'm I grew up Jewish, I grew up going to synagogue, like, I, you know, I went to Hebrew school as a kid, I got bar mitzvahed,
01:54:08
Speaker
Yeah. You know, if like everything was going to plan, I would be a Zionist. I would have done like a trip to Israel at some point, maybe in like, you know not a birthright. don't know if it would have been birthright, but it would have been like a, like a tour, like a, you know, like IDF led sort of thing or whatever. But like,
01:54:26
Speaker
ah You know, like when the pandemic... You Tony, it's funny. My my ah my parents, and my godparents wanted to go on a trip to you Israel, and they were shocked. Oh, didn't want to go with them. Wow.
01:54:38
Speaker
And, you know, if the pandemic didn't hit, they would have they would have gone on the trip. um But ah a I guess my what I was going to say i was just like...
01:54:51
Speaker
I haven't seen single, and I haven't done like, I haven't like attempted to do research, so I should just make that up front. But like I haven't seen an example of a synagogue that is pro-Palestine.
01:55:06
Speaker
And that freaks me out. That's true. That really freaks me out. Especially at this point. It's like we're so deep in and it's like it's not like it's like hard. Like we we're so we're seeing what's happening. You know it's being broadcast to the world. yeah And if if that doesn't change. and But it's scary because as a Jewish person, I don't want to associate with that.
01:55:30
Speaker
Yeah. And yet my place of worship wants me to. it's like, that just seems like horrifying. It's just like, you know, like,
01:55:44
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i yeah It's like you're putting, it's like, is you know, it's like. you You don't want the religion to be tied up in with this ethno-nationalist, you know, genocide, right? Yeah. Like like if we compare it to Christianity for a second, right? Because like there are more Christian christian Zionists than even Jewish Zionists, right? Yeah. And and ah even Christian churches. That's also just because There aren't many Jews. Periods. That's kind of why that is. Yeah. Exactly. But what I'm going to get to with that was that, like, you know, even in Christian churches, you know, there are, you know, churches that are cool with gay people, you know? Right. Yeah. Yeah. There are denominations. There are different denominations like that. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, you know, like, curious to say that, you know, like, I hope that there are cases like that in synagogues. I hope there are pro-Palestinian synagogues. I just haven't seen one. Exactly.
01:56:36
Speaker
But also, like, I hear you're saying that. I'd like to see, even on, like, scrolling through Twitter, even, like, I'd love to just hear an account from a Jewish person being like, I was at synagogue and we were talking about, you know, why Palestine should be a free state or something. don't know, you know?
01:56:51
Speaker
Like, I've not seen anything like that. You'd hope, right? At all. And that freaks me out. Because it's just, it's, you know...
01:57:03
Speaker
It shouldn't be tied in with the religion. shouldn't tied in with the religion. Yeah, like it's like, you know, like Jews are not, Jewish people are not the bad guys. Zionists, you know, it's Zionism.
01:57:14
Speaker
But then... Yeah, exactly. But then it's this thing of like... I don't even know if like I even got to really like understand what Judaism was outside of like the Zionist sort of angle like ever, now growing up. And it's this thing of like realizing I didn't even really know like what a non-Zionist Judaism looks like.
01:57:36
Speaker
And like that... and Yeah. Like that kind of just freaked me out. You know? understand what I mean. And I know there has to be.
01:57:48
Speaker
i know there there has to be. there is Just like by virtue of like... Yeah, yeah like... so Yeah, but... Just the, you know, and it's also just the fact that, like, you know, the Holocaust was that horrible.
01:58:03
Speaker
was, you know, you can't forget, you know. Obviously, the six million thing is a bit of a joke, but it is a real statistic. It's real. It is, like, you know, like, therere is side we we were genocided, like, you know.
01:58:20
Speaker
like Like when we say Israel is committing a genocide, that's not a light. We don't say that lightly. nots And then it's also the thing too. It's like I get, ah you know, and then, I hate saying I get the Zionist ah angle because like um and in a sense of like and in a sense of of like ah endangered species, like that's how they see Jewish jewish people. It's like an endangered species that needs Israel in order to survive.
01:58:50
Speaker
And so therefore anything that happens is like justified because us Jews were endangered. So we can't be the monsters in this situation because if the world, the whole world is against us.
01:59:00
Speaker
So anything we do is self-defense. But the problem is that that's not really what happened because it was like kind of a co-opted maneuver. British government, you know. It was a colonial maneuver to make sure that there was some kind of Western influence within the region so that there could be, you know you know, a place in the Middle East that was, you know, Western. That was like quote-unquote Western. Yeah, and under the guise of protecting Jewish people. Okay.
01:59:30
Speaker
and Which is the only democracy in the Middle East. You know, that's the State Department line. that And I guess it's a thing of like, ah he like ah you know, so much of our religion, I guess, is is like tied up in like the concept of Israel. like Literally the land, right? Like that that is the place that the books are about. Right. So it's, yeah you know, ah and but it's like, you know, every time you, you know, you're celebrating a high holy day, you're praying for Israel. You're praying, you know, like for the people of Israel, it's like, you know, you're always putting Israel on your thoughts. And so then that's why the you know, blanket association is there.
02:00:07
Speaker
uh, it's just, uh, One of those scary things, I guess, scary existential things just to of like trying to figure out what my my faith is like outside of all that, but not succeeding so far. Like i haven't really found that.
02:00:26
Speaker
And it's weird. Yeah. Because I still, I'm still, like, I think I'm still Jewish. Like, I'm Jewish. I'm a Jewish person. But I feel like a shitty Jew. Like ah like a, like like I don't really ascribe to, like, the things that, like, the synagogue tells me to ascribe to.
02:00:43
Speaker
Like... You know? i don't want to speak for Doug, right? Because, like, Doug, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but neither of us are Jewish, right? You know, yeah. So, like, maybe, yeah. Yeah, yeah we're going to find out some surprising things. Some secret war. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah. So like take anything I'm about to say with a grain of salt. Right. But like I like personally, like i don't think that like theology itself is ah an issue, you know, like people can believe in whatever they want to believe. Yeah. As long as, you know, all that stuff. and And I deeply, deeply sympathize with what you're saying here, because like, you know, growing up, I was raised rather Christian and i had some of my own issues there. Not to the same extent, though. This is a very existential thing that you're talking about. What I'm what i'm trying to make this, you know, the the skinny of this, right, is that, like, there are definitely ah anti-Zionist Jews who exist, right? Yeah. follow a lot of them on online and stuff. You you do, right? but i But I almost feel like as though ah over time and in life, you know, naturally you will come to meet more and there will be ah more kinship that can come from that, you know? Yeah. Like it seems like if there's any, if there's going to be anything, it's going to be like a very like community led, like grounds for that sort of yeah thing. It's just not going to come from like any of the institutions, which is just a bit of like a, you know, a bit of a, uh, adjustment period for me, I guess. Uh,
02:02:06
Speaker
And that sucks. That sucks. You don't want to have to like second guess. Like it's like, let's relate even to like Catholics, you know, and the whole thing with like. but Yeah. it's Right. Because like there are people who, you know, legitimately believe in Catholicism, but then that is associated with the religion. Right. And it's still thing. um But at the same time, um you know, there are people who are still like trying to earnestly live within that framework. and Yeah, I guess. I guess. you know maybe the difference I can already see is just that like in Catholicism you're not necessarily like pray well you're not praying for the you're not like
02:02:51
Speaker
praying pray for the pedophiles to be protected. Yeah. Really? You're not. Yeah. It's not, it's not a direct relation. It's, you know, you're not like thinking about the pedophiles when you're praying, you know, you're, you're praying about other stuff and then there's pedophilia that's happening. It's like synagogues. It's like, it's like they're, they're being like, no, this is not genocide. You gotta, it's a war and you have to pray for the people on your side.
02:03:14
Speaker
to to survive. This is just maybe my ignorance of Judaism showing, right? But i imagine there has to be like ways to interpret the text that just doesn't involve, you know, relating it to today, you know, and that cause a genocide. Then again, like I, I'd almost related to, you know,
02:03:32
Speaker
Catholicism or Christianity where it's like they take that modern day setting and they relate it to now to further their own agendas. Right. So it's like almost just classic religious. I'm not trying to tell it, tell it anything, you know, like it's just one of those things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I'm thinking about this and and and like I'm sympathetic because it's like you're in a tough pickle in the sense that like, you know,
02:03:56
Speaker
I'm not, like, as somebody who is not very religious, you know, I don't want to tell you not to be religious. you Yeah, no, I'm not really religious either. yeah It's more of, like, a, guess, philosophical philosophical kind thing. It's a big bag mine. Yeah, you know, like, I'm not, I've never really been, like, a religious guy, I guess. It's just, like, more just, like, my family, like, you know, we're...
02:04:18
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celebrate the high holy days. my mom is fairly involved with my synagogue. and ah So, you know, there is like that element, like a social kind of thing to it.
02:04:30
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ah You know, like ah ah I think too, like this whole, especially just these last few years, i think it's been like ah a bit of like an adjustment period for like, even you know, for my parents, just the way that think our, you know, conversations have gone and just like,
02:04:48
Speaker
ah kind of coming to terms with, like, the realities of the situation. ah but ah But, yeah. um you Yeah, that's it's a tough conversation. And, and ah like, i just wanted to throw out there, too, like, maybe maybe, like, if we wanted to keep any of this out, you know, just let us know, you know? Sure, yeah. like This is one of those things. This is an honest conversation. yeah But at the same time, ah you know i don't want to feel like... ah ah like I feel like we we honestly got here. And um this is also another thing, too, where it's like... ah you know
02:05:24
Speaker
i really sympathize with your parents, too. you know because yeah Yeah, know. i feel I mean, I feel bad. yeah you know like I don't... i'm not like I, I, there are levels, obviously, to, to things, but, like, you know, I find out that someone is a Zionist or whatever, I don't, but it depends on who the person is and what degree and what all that, but, like, you know obviously, when you find that out, obviously, it's, like, you feel bad to some degree, to some degree, because, you know, they've been duped, or they've been lied to. It's a level of indoctrination. Yeah, they've been indoctrinated.
02:05:58
Speaker
ah And, you know, it's, ah and then it's also just like, there was a period of time where I was getting like some levels of like self-doubt. Like, am I reading the right things? Am I being supposed to write things? Am I getting like indoctrinated or whatever? But then I'm like, well, no, no.
02:06:18
Speaker
It's a country where you're required to go to the military before you're certain age. That's indoctrination. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're asking yourself those questions and checking yourself. So I feel like that's a sign that you're not and indoctrinated. and And I did look at, there were some anti-Zionist synagogues that came, none that I don't think are in your area. There's one in Chicago, actually. ah to Chicago. ah Yeah, they say on their site, anti-Zionist Jewish congregation based on core values of justice, equity, and solidarity.
02:06:53
Speaker
So they. na That's a synagogue I'd like to join. But yeah, again, I never I need to look that up. I actually got to properly research that. I just it's one of those things where I guess ah really what I'm saying is like I would have liked to have seen a Twitter thread or something, you know, sure by this point. and I just haven't.
02:07:12
Speaker
But but but also like it's tough to like like I'm speaking more from an outsider's perspective. Yeah. Yeah, sure. yeah But but but but i I feel as though like ah anti-Zionist Jews are harshly criticized by Zionists, obviously. And it's to a position where it's a lot harder for people in that position to speak up.
02:07:33
Speaker
And especially when you have a figure of... It's annoying because it's like you can't say free Palestine to a Zionist without them assuming that you mean genocide all the Jews that are living in Israel right now. And I'm like, from the river to the sea, what's between the sea? All that bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. Even if you are a Jewish saying that, just still under. i keep thinking back to that Adam Friedland, Richie Torres. ah Yeah. Yeah.
02:07:57
Speaker
Yeah. Richard Torres is like saying like, oh, do you want Jews to be in danger? And then like, it was like, you're talking to Richard Torres not Jewish. Adam Friedland is like you're trying to tell him about keeping Jews safe.
02:08:10
Speaker
When they look back in the history books and they're like, what are the things that created the massive sea change? That that Adam Friedland special is going to be a part of it. I feel like that if there are history books- yeah because Yeah, you're right. still have yeah Every time, every time I see someone say that nowadays, that's the thing I think.
02:08:29
Speaker
Because nobody fucking reads. Nobody younger than me can fucking read. It's bad, apparently. There's just this is like one dude I've been watching. He's like a four former child actor. He's just don started doing like youtube YouTube videos, but he's like sure keeping tabs on like the TikTok shit and like all the trends and shit.
02:08:50
Speaker
And every video I see the headlines like, kids are fucked. like It's like they're not reading. They're not fucking paying attention. They're all on their fucking phones. They think like movies are gesture. They don't watch fucking movies. They don't fucking do anything. They're just fucking robot fucking weirdo six, seven freaks.
02:09:12
Speaker
If I were to like, if I were to like project my idea of what the future generations are going to be, um I feel like we're moving towards like, you know, post collapse of like the Soviet Union, you know, like the ending of that era. That's like where we're going to be heading towards with the end of capitalism. This idea of like ah an entire generation that's becomes disillusioned with the, you know, things that their parents would put stock in and the infrastructure that had been created will collapse under, you know, disrepair. And in its place, we'll just be like, you know, a new, whether it be authoritarian, whether it be, you know, like another more, you know, controlling form of government that is in place because there's less economy. That's where things are going to go is the way that I look at it. And I see when you're saying these things, Jared, when when I think about what the ways in which, you know, people think about Gen Alpha, as they call it. Yeah, yeah. it's it's not so much, you know, their brain rotted because of the technology, that's certainly a part of it.
02:10:10
Speaker
But the lesson that they're learning is that like morality itself does not matter as long as certain things are in place. And that people who are so telling you some source of morality exists are wrong and lying to you. You know, like that, that's the world that is being constructed because ultimately it's like, if you believe in, you know, goodness, you're a sucker and you're a loser. And like, it's it's at the point where, ah you know, it's going to come down to do we shift things in the right direction or does it keep careening down this, ah you know, pit of despair? And ah frankly, I'm a little optimistic these days. Frankly, i think there i think that there's a way out of this. But at the same time, i do not disparage nor discredit nor doubt anybody who feels the opposite.
02:10:58
Speaker
It's hard to find away good stuff. You know, like, yeah. yeah I mean, the the fucking Artemis thing was like, i was like, oh, finally something. pop Yeah, that was That was neat. Yeah, that Yeah, that was like hope. Like, oh, we could go to the stars. It's like had nothing. that The best part is that it had nothing to do with Elon Musk.
02:11:17
Speaker
yeah Yes. No, yes nothing at all. And, the you know, the best part, also, it was it was yeah it was NASA. It was all NASA, you know, nothing space force.
02:11:28
Speaker
You know, the funniest thing, too, is when Trump did call them and they did not, I didn't watch the full thing, but I did see the the clip of the ending of the call where, like, he just paused for a whole minute and they didn't talk because, like, they just weren't paying attention and assumed he was, like, you know, they were going to hang up or some shit, like, mm-hmm.
02:11:46
Speaker
it They were, like, busy, like, flipping the mic around and watching it, like, you know, twirl in the air and laughing at that as opposed to listening to whatever the fuck, you know, demented shit Trump was saying. Cool. yeah Also, just think about, like, the bad week Trump's had, you know, like, he's losing Iran, know, like, I'm definitely going to end this civilization. Please, please do what I tell you. You know, like it's all that kind of shit back and forth over and again. it's just crazy that he said that even if he didn't do follow through the fact that he said it and then it kind of seemed like all Congress is going to let him do it too. I'm like, can we stop him? Chuck Schumer is just like...
02:12:27
Speaker
The problem is you didn't ask for my help. You know, problem is you didn't ask for a vote. Yes. and We should have voted on this. Yeah. They're like, we actually do want to kill everyone there, but you should have asked us.
02:12:41
Speaker
Yeah. Laid out the provisions in which we were going to kill them. I want to know in graphic detail how exactly we're going to dismantle them before I say yes or no. It's the fucking worst. yeah It's, it's a unfortunate ah yeah clown show, but I like, I see there is like, at least they're clowns. Generational. Yeah. At least you laugh at them. Right. I guess I see like generationally, hopefully there could be some correction is the way that I look at it. It's like, yeah There seems to be like a changing in ideology that's coming from a generational shift.
02:13:16
Speaker
I'm hoping that if that kicks into place... I'm hoping that the left-leaning kind of vibes that I feel like a lot of my generation has, if that can have some kind of follow-through into policy... Yeah, that would be cool.
02:13:35
Speaker
ah But it's going to take a while. I think it also has time that people are throwing Molotovs at Sam Altman. Yeah, that was fun. you know I like that. but Let's keep that.
02:13:47
Speaker
but Yeah. Why stop? Yeah, keep going. Yeah. yeah ah Wasn't there today like ah some warehouse employee like burnt down like a warehouse in California? yeah, yeah. was yesterday. I think. I'm surprised that this happened like every day. like like Like, that was like when
Societal, Economic, and Political Discussions
02:14:04
Speaker
Luigi... I think it might be happening. It might start happening. It might be like a domino, you know? Like, it's just sort of slow, but it's each one is a bigger domino, you know? It's one of those things.
02:14:15
Speaker
Walmarts are going to burn down, you know? Like, people are going to like... There's going to be a thing where it's like... because people can't live and they get pushed to the desperate means, they're going to, you know, do things, you know? This is what happens. have a country of falling down. That's what it's going to be. You're right. Yeah. Unfortunately, people are going to, like, not be able to order, you know, breakfast at McDonald's and they're going to, like, shoot up the place. You know, that's what's going to happen. Yeah. and And, like, they've bred the conditions for this to be plausible, right?
02:14:46
Speaker
It's going to be like Mad Max, you know, not in such a dramatic way, you know, but at the same time. Well, The first one, there was just a gas crisis that caused everyone to write go crazy. But it's like people can't now can't afford housing, gas, food. Like, you know, I already said housing, about health care. Like, you like you don't have all these basic things that people can't like have. And so i don't know. Someone's going to go.
02:15:10
Speaker
know, you know, what you know ah at the very least. I live within the tri-state area of an avowed communist.
02:15:22
Speaker
There we go. who Who is governing his um his city under Sharia law. in chest I have to go. i have to go. have to pray five times a day. Every time I go into New York City now, it's like a whole thing.
02:15:37
Speaker
it should be. You're liking all of his wife's tweets. Yes. Every time they come up, I agree with everything you say. I mean, that's a generational shift right there. So it's like if we just get more of that. Yeah. Yeah.
02:15:57
Speaker
Yeah. I hate all the positive press that Mark Carney is getting, you know, like I feel like some people. He's are hilarious. actually he's He's the prime minister of Canada, you know, our president, you know, um yeah' but a Canadian Bush.
02:16:15
Speaker
I'm looking at. page He is. You're right. actually He's like a conservative, though, right? Yeah, Jerry, you're on the money. so so so So like a couple of months ago, he had a speech after Trump was doing all the tariff stuff. And he was like, we have to ah let go of the idea of the neoliberal new world order was something along those lines. he Like he was laying it out there. He was going like, you know, neoliberalism is dead. We need to move forward. America is not in what direction. do he take Take that, Francis Fukuyama.
02:16:44
Speaker
no no No, Doug, to answer your question, his answer was China. His answer was like, we got to get like yeah came more like China. Mark Carney was saying like, oh, we got to more get more Chinese right now. hence Hence what I'm wearing right now. I'm wearing some Chinese Adidas. Hey, hence what I'm wearing.
02:16:59
Speaker
man Hey, there it is. Total accident. I just like pulled it out because was the first fucking shirt and that I saw. It's a nice shirt. It's a good color. It's appropriate. Yeah. Yeah. um ah But Mark Carney, right? So so Mark Carney had that whole speech that I was saying, like all all that talk about, you know, like we got to, you know, be more independent and move from America.
02:17:21
Speaker
He hasn't done anything like that. and he's He's talked a lot like that. But like in his actions, he's still like, you know, buddying up with America. Canada supported the Iran war. Like this is a situation where it's like we we are very still much so in lockstep with America. And it's like, you know, it's a little upsetting because like, as you were saying, Jared, he's very conservative. I would say like at this point, ah the...
02:17:46
Speaker
Liberal Party of Canada is almost like in the conservative camp almost. Like it's moving. I mean, that's our Liberal Party. it doesn't sound too far off from what's happening here. The distance gets shorter and shorter every year.
02:18:00
Speaker
But like we have many parties. Like we have like five parties, six parties that show up on our ballots. like Yeah. we should and And do they like, do they win? right Does each one like regularly win? Or is it like does the two or three are the ones that are like always the one that wins?
02:18:15
Speaker
so So in the past, right, like it used to be like three parties, right? It used to be like ah liberals, conservatives, and then NDP. NDP is the cool one because and NDP is socialist. It's like the new Democrat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:18:31
Speaker
And ah the ah issue is that that as the years go on, and NDP gets less and less votes. and And what happened on the last one was that they they lost a lot of seats. Like I think they only had like nine or so seats in the House of Commons. You know, it's it's very similar to the British ah system in the sense that like, you know, there's there's many seats and like it's literally representative of, you know, the votes in the sense that you like you say ah but but ah each um each Each man of votes counts to one seat, that kind of thing.
02:19:01
Speaker
Yeah, and in their regionally base, it's not perfect. They're still all, et cetera, et cetera. But ah anyways, ah they they got down to like nine. You know, like it's like a record low. And ah it's to the point where they had to do like a full change of the party. And there's more parties than that. You know, like there's the Green Party, you know, which is similar to your Green Party. um My favorite is the Bloc Québécois. Do you guys know what the Bloc Québécois is? No. it's so yeah Are they French racists?
02:19:29
Speaker
No, they're not French racists. They're not French racists. But okay they they are the political party that their only existence, like their purpose, is that Quebec wants to become its own country. Oh, okay. idea It's this idea that if they if they if they were to ever win, ah you know, ah government, then they would just immediately make Quebec its own country and that would be... So would would the rest of Canada have to then elect a new prime minister?
02:19:54
Speaker
Well, yeah, would be the idea that Quebec is now its own country and now Canada proper needs to sort out its own shit kind of thing. It's like reverse Brexit. It is Brexit. It's like someone running in America just to secede Texas.
02:20:09
Speaker
Yeah. Also, now we're getting to the point where Alberta is trying to do this too, where Alberta wants to separate. So then that's like Florida trying to secede. Yeah. Alberta wants to be America. Alberta really wants to be America now, which is like really. Really? Trump would be open to that because he wants to. I mean, yeah, he'd take anyone. Yeah, he's like, come on, come with. I'll take Greenland.
02:20:34
Speaker
Yeah, if you got it, you know. Yeah. ah ah But yeah, no, ah the though the Canadian political landscape, what I will say is that and NDP, they just had a ah new leader that was ah elected. We used to have Jagmeet Singh, who was a Sikh ah you know leader at the party. And he was really cool, you know, but at the same time, he kind of rat fucked the and NDP in the sense that he signed a lot of like, ah you know, ah allegiances with the Liberals. that gave them power. And so, so like he struck down his own votes. Worse than AOC. worse iso I I was just thinking, you know.
02:21:13
Speaker
you You're talking like, you know, like Obama. but Yeah, that's better. That's a better. It's more of like an Obama. Maybe. maybe the the The thing is, we got Avi Lewis now, who is the new guy in the NDP. Right. His major platform is like no ah funding to Iran war, no funding to Israel, ah total support to Palestine. You know, like he's all woken, all of the right places. Right. So the only problem is that his wife is anti-vaxxed.
02:21:42
Speaker
No, you're so close. Right? Right, Doug? What? Like, just pull the rug right from under you, right? Where you're just like, what do you mean? What do you mean? How? Like, everything else, right? Is it like anti-va... Is it like...
02:21:55
Speaker
Like, is she just like vaccine skeptical is she just like that full on Yeah. Jared, you have to understand that any brain rot that America has, Canada has too. You know, like it's pre-COVID. Vaccine wasn't exclusively like a right wing thing. There was like a liberal, like kind of crunchy. Yeah. I guess. I guess there was. Yeah. They were like, yeah, I'm not getting my kid back from school.
02:22:19
Speaker
It seemed like it was all like more like it was like so there were it was out of a sense of skepticism as opposed to outright like like, get away from me. It was like, I don't know. I don't know about these these guys. They're government-mandated vaccines.
02:22:35
Speaker
I think that some people just have that idea. that I think there are some people that truly have that idea where it's like medicine is for sick people. And i I am a healthy person. So therefore, I do not need medicine.
02:22:48
Speaker
you yeah they don't And they do not recognize the fact that like they are an ordinary person. And then also on ah on another fact, like there's this idea that like healthcare care that is for everybody is somehow worse. you know And that like, yeah oh, I need some kind of special healthcare. where like, you know, I'm i'm pushed to the front of the line, you know, like they want their fast pass of health care. and and And there's that mentality, you know, in people where it's like the idea that like they're hurting and have to sit and wait is like a travesties of them. And they don't recognize like the reality that creates that, you know, and rather they just want it to speed up because they pay and because they get their treats.
02:23:24
Speaker
Yeah, that's always the thing I keep hearing about the Canadian healthcare system is it's always a lot of waiting. You show up and like oh wait forever. Or then they like they'd schedule you for months ahead or whatever.
02:23:37
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That's definitely an issue with specialists, the idea where it's like if you get, you know, let's say you have like an illness that's specific to a part of your body, right? That is true where it's like you may wait like several weeks to months, you know? But this hour is 22 minutes parody of the pit and the whole joke was that they're in the waiting hallway and you just kept getting like prescriptions or whatever. That is accurate. That was a good bit. And the constant PRL, that was really good. Like when you're in a Canadian hospital, there are so many hand sanitizer things. Everybody's always doing that. And that's clear with the doctors too. But the thing is, is that let's say go in
02:24:22
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to get anything like it, there is that waiting period. Uh, but the, the thing that is, uh, overinflated is that like, would you, okay. Right. ER, r right. That's the one thing that we see with the pit all the time, right? Like everybody who comes into the ah ER is not necessarily somebody who was going through an emergency,
02:24:40
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ah issue, right? These are also people who do not have healthcare coverage, who this is the only way that they can get it. That's why we have some illegal immigrants on the pit, right? um In Canada, right? ah Everybody has like a health card, you know, but then there is still health insurance and there still is like, you know, other things like that, right? um What I will say is that if you go to like any hospital and you have the green card, you're good.
02:25:06
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The only thing they you're going to pay extra for is if, let's say, you use a service. Let's say you take an ambulance ride. You're going to have to pay for that. Let's say you're getting ah pills and you're not covered by health insurance, right? You may have to pay for those pills.
02:25:21
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But even then, the pills are going to be cheaper than in America, is the way I'll phrase right? Mm-hmm. At the end of the day, these are inconveniences. When you hear them in America or when people talk about them, they have to make it sound like people die in the waiting room.
02:25:37
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They have to make it sound like, you know, this is the like worst thing that could ever happen. Yeah. And and and even in Canada. It's like people die in here because they don't have co or access to the Mediterranean. Yeah. Right?
02:25:49
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there There are Canadians, right, who will be like, I waited in the emergency room for like five hours, you know, and because like, you know, whatever problem they had. Right. And I'm just like, i'm right. and happy And I'm like, it and it like that you got solved. You got taken care of. You moved on.
02:26:08
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In America, there are people that, like, that's the other line, you know? or it's it's It's like that's, like, there are ways of proportionally looking at these things is the way I look at it. is the Yeah. ah Yeah, it's like, what's worse, having to wait for for a few hours longer than you want or being told that you got to pay $1,000 or thousands of dollars, you know, for some basic life-saving thing or something, you know?
02:26:35
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Yeah, exactly. and Look at Mohan's patient, like, that you know, like, was willing to make his life, potentially killing himself, trying to kill himself because he had all this crushing medical debt and didn't want to burden his family. Like, that that's... That's a real scenario. Like that shit. yeah and then the and And then the ultimate irony being that he's actually worth more in the coma rather than alive. The idea that like the coma will pay off all this. Exactly. Yeah.
02:27:08
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Yeah. that That is the ultimate irony of that situation. The fact that in America you're worth better a vegetable dead than you are alive. and it like But we also treat the disabled like shit. Exactly. Exactly. and trying to just even get on disability like forgive they make those things like any kind of social like the you know safety net stuff like whether it's like snap or i mean we just ah but like trump fucking implemented like work requirements for medicaid and snap benefits which are now just starting to kick in thankfully in my state there's like a thing where because i'm i'm like self-employed so like and they were like not gonna count that is like towards like the work requirements to stay on like my my benefits, but there's a, there's a workaround where there's some like online, like job.
02:27:56
Speaker
It's so basically like an online course where it's like, here's how to do a resume and look for jobs. Like it's ah just basic stuff, but it, they'll count towards your hours for the requirement to like get the benefit. They basically felt like, okay, we can help people stay on their benefits if we just have this online courses for, for people. So Like there are workarounds, but the fact that you have to do those, they add more hoops. They're already the hoops. You had to jump through to get this stuff. And then now they're go to make it like, like what what other like quote, quote, civilized countries like adding like work requirements for health care and shit like that. Like that doesn't make any sense.
02:28:33
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It doesn't make like like any any idea of like a thriving society wouldn't put those hoops for people to basically survive, you know. yeah And how are people going to work if they're safe? Like if you want them contributing workers, should you want them to like have access to like medicine and stuff?
02:28:52
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Yeah, it's all fucked up. you know You know who does that? China. I mean... China. Better start learning Chinese. Yeah, they do a lot of things over there in that that China. but for my From my neck of the woods.
02:29:08
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yeah I'm a big proponent of everybody get Chinese right now. You know, I see what they're getting out there. But then also like there are other things. i want You know what I mean?
02:29:19
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I just, I just want the high. like their infrastructure. High speed rail. Give me high speed rail. Yeah, it seems very futuristic and cool. Come to Canada, guys.
02:29:31
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We got, we got trains here. Not high speed rail. was going say, how fast they go. We got trains here. you You can go from Toronto to Montreal in six hours. That's pretty good.
02:29:43
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That's pretty good. Yeah, I want to just be able to get on a train and like go to, like, my West Coast friends in, like, you know, like a few hours or something. like Yeah, instead you got to get on a plane and do that.
02:29:54
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Yeah. Rats. Who think I am? Taylor Swift? You know, I don't want to be creating those emissions, you know? Yeah, exactly. Exactly the same. Yeah.
02:30:05
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Every flight, you know, lee leaves the exact same emissions. As her private jet. Yeah, yeah. Well, you also have to be listening to her album Reputation specifically. Not Evermore? No, no, no. Just Reputation, you know? Because there's specifically specifically spiteful vibes in that album. Ooh, okay.
02:30:25
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Yeah, that's the one where Bad Blood's from, you know? It makes sense. Oh, okay, okay. don't know. I just was, that was the only other album I could think of. them and that I've dated a Swifty, you know? Got it. that's yeah I've only absorbed it from, like, my my friends who are into that. Like, I don't know. Mm-hmm.
02:30:42
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You know, like, not the worst pop artists in the world, but at the same time, there is definitely some, ah there you know, yeah what's what's that thing that, like, people, cat owners get? You know, like the brain parasites? Oh, toxo- you you think that- ah that her music has the parasites as well and the people more exposure prolonged exposure to her music kind of has like a brain work capacity to it that's the way I view Taylor Swift's music it's like that Simpsons there's subliminal liminal and superliminal yes
02:31:20
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Super liminal, which is also the back rooms coming soon to a theater in the U. Yeah. That looks fun. That maybe looks fun. I'm... i'm the friends for it Doug and I talked about this on another episode, but, like, we're really hyped for
Upcoming Films and Projects
02:31:35
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back rooms. Like, I think that there is, like, a real potential for something really cool to happen there.
02:31:41
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Yeah. Just like... it it's It's just... That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking it's a new kind of horror. It's like a new... Well, I think we'll exit a Exit A also kind of gets at at a similar thing.
02:31:54
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there are many shots sort in exedate There are many shots in Exit A that look like out of that trailer from Backrooms. You know what i mean, Jared? Yeah. Yeah. Behind the back shots, right? or Just like the all encompassing. Like, i feel like there's a new language that's being built in horror right now that is based on vacancy.
02:32:13
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And it has nothing to do with darkly lit places. It has everything to do with vacancy. These spaces are brightly lit. Yeah. Yeah. but it's just vacant and creepy.
02:32:24
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That is enough for people. The lighting doesn't need to be dark. I think that's cool. I think that's a little evolution. Isn't it like a furniture store going out of business before he even gets the rooms? like That's like the starting point. right Yeah. yeah Which I think was like they always a part of the lore. or I think the so. The deep lore or whatever.
02:32:44
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I only watched like the first video that he did like on. Yeah, me too, which is a pretty fun video. It's a great like so yeah really great like early, early example of like photoreal, you know, where you're watching you're for the first time with no context. And you're like, what? How is any of this? And then and then like maybe at the end, you kind of realize, oh, wait, this is all CG.
02:33:09
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ah Yeah, when and when I realized, he did this in Blender? What the fuck? Yeah, yeah. It's just like, God damn it, why didn't, you know, why i never would have thought of that. but Like, i tell you it's one of those where it's like, you know, if you're working in that, you're probably thinking like, God, how did and how did I not think of that?
02:33:25
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You know, it's it's kind of like those games where they're from the perspective of a body cam. Right. Those first shooters. Yeah. You know how those games always look photorealistic.
02:33:36
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um But the the interesting thing is that ah those games are still operating on the same engines that have existed for, you know, years, you know. And the reality is, is that because of the presentation in which this information is being read through, like the idea of this camera lens, that's you're viewing this experience. Yeah. Like a canon Lynch dog chase situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's filtered through that lens, it feels more realistic because it actually, from a game design element, they're able to film through that perspective. So I feel like a similar ideology is being at play here.
02:34:12
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And then I think I read or I saw that like he did it where he was he filmed everything for real, but like in virtual in his room as a virtual set. Right. And so that's why all the camera moves feel so like, you know, it feels like you're just a person walking through that room is because ostensibly you because that's how he filmed it is he was walking through his room. It's just, you know, it doesn't look like. But just to come up with that is like. But yeah, yeah. It was like a. whatever. Yeah. It was crazy. Yeah. It's the way to do it.
02:34:43
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i but yeah know But it it's like it feels so subconscious. It just feels like a nightmare we've all had, you know? That he was the first person to just like realize into something. Well, ah it's not that he was the first. It's that the first he was the first person to like ah engineer in the way that was productive, you know? Yeah. And and I feel like not only is this like this... yeah, because I guess it's like you can say House of Leaves or something is like, you know... a this This is going to be its own thing. I feel like yeah john this is a John Carpenter Halloween moment we're about to watch.
02:35:15
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you know like like I feel like i'm I'm bracing myself for something like that. That's about to happen. you know um So like we'll see. you know Maybe I'm wrong. But like I think this movie is going to be like, you know if we're like i don't think it's going to make like $80 million, dollars but I think like $50 million. dollars It'll do well. Yeah, now it'll do well. It's going to hit. I think it'll hit.
02:35:35
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Five Nights at Freddy's, Backrooms, you know, these are all in the same... Minecraft, you know, these are all in the same realm, in my mind, in terms of popularity. In terms of popularity, yeah. Yeah, so i feel like... ah so Hopefully we won't get any chicken jackies at Backrooms. Yeah.
02:35:54
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What did you would scream at the screen during back rooms? I don't know if there's like a... Every time it remembers, it doesn't. I don't know. ah ah but yeah What is that? Wallpaper.
02:36:10
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Chair in the ground. Empty couch. Creepy monster. Hazmat. yeah hazmat hazmat guy.
02:36:23
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just ah Apparently that was the original idea for the film. Like it was supposed to only be a found footage film from the perspective of the people doing like experiments on the place. um Which I'm,
02:36:35
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would have been cool, like, but also the the the non-found footage shots look really nice, so, like, I'm okay with it not being a total found footage movie. There are times when, like, when I get a little, like, annoyed where it breaks the format, and you know, when I want it to full found footage, but, like, I think, like,
02:36:55
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yeah ah I think this could probably work as like a partial found footage. I didn't get it. And Shelby Oaks, I was okay with being partial found footage. I know, I know, I know. a crappy movie. I had fun with it. I get it. it's not yeah I like the found footage parts, but then the most of the movie when it wasn't. i it's a bit it's derivative it's a bit you know we've just seen a lot of this stuff before but I liked I really liked that old lady lot I thought I thought her scene was really good I really liked the prison sequence and how that was done like creeping around you shouldve had more you're afraid of dogs
02:37:37
Speaker
No, know but I don't know. I'm just a kidding. I'm just kidding. Yeah, I don't know. like Keith David. He looked like he was having a fun day on set. Oh, he is ah yeah. The highlight film for sure. I mean, you get a automatic. call Yeah.
02:37:53
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I really like that the movie treated that like a moment. Like it was like, we got Keith David. You know, they they really like. concerns i mean, because k Chris is a huge fan, you know, it's like it makes sense. He's going to play it up.
02:38:04
Speaker
ah Like, Doug, I think you and I said that, you know, like, it's like we would do the same thing, you know? like you I guess maybe that's kind of maybe why I'm a little partial to it is because it's like it feels like a horror movie made by a horror fan that's like not quite, it's like it's not quite there, but it like it's, I don't know, there's like a... that That's where I diverge. Because when Doug and talked about it, I feel like the thing I kept saying about it was it felt like a real.
02:38:33
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you know It felt like it was not so much a horror film, but like him pitching other movies to other yeah Yeah. Yeah. And on that level alone, I couldn't appreciate it as a film because i didn't feel like like it didn't feel like it was actually built to scare me. It felt like it was like, here is my springboard to make other films. And if there was a level to it, it felt very cynical.
02:38:56
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it definitely did feel like our first movie, like, you know, it was like great kind of all over the place for sure. ah the The name Paranormal Paranoids is it took some acclimating for me. Well, that's actually based on a real, like, pre-existing ARG. Did you know that? And I didn't know that before I saw it yeah because I never watched it. No, I thought he came up with it. No, no. So, Jared, this was like a thing that existed on YouTube already. And he like essentially like was adapting from. So so actually, another thing that's interesting, Jared, something that you should know, a lot of the found footage from like the first 30 minutes of the movie is from the YouTube series. It's not from Jared's stuff, like Jared's stuff, Chris's stuff.
02:39:40
Speaker
I was saying, Jared, because I was talking you. Oh, wait. So I just because I assume what I thought was that him and his wife like came up with the whole thing on their own as a web series. No, no, no. And then.
02:39:55
Speaker
That's a hired actor. That's a hired actor. Whoa. OK. New information. Yeah. Yeah, no. So, so like, ah again, a lot of the stuff that you're seeing from that, like, archive footage is, like, the stuff that was uploaded to YouTube was, like, the stuff. And, like, it's just kind of built around that.
02:40:14
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It's very important that you know that because, like, a lot of the the good stuff from the early part of the film is not actually from the film. It's from the YouTube page. So he didn't even make any of that? yeah He didn't shoot any of that? That was...
02:40:26
Speaker
But then see I was under the assumption that he had, it it was like from YouTube stuff he had made. And I did i didn't. But like the the other actors were there, right? Because they made the original videos, you know, like it they're a part of the original stuff. he just hired the people from the original videos to do. Yeah.
02:40:45
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To be in the movie. Yeah. Who created the original videos? The people that were in the movie. Just those people. Why did I think that it was something that he did with his wife? I thought the same thing.
02:41:02
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because they did like a whole little like Halloween special video where they were doing like a thing, and and that's kind of what they like adapted. What? What? This is like totally like it is like upending everything. and Not everything. yeah like yeah It is kind of changing how I view it a bit. like Paranoid Paranoids, I believe, came out in 2012. It's an old series. like It's not like, you know...
02:41:25
Speaker
when it when it came to adapting it, it was not like ah brand new when they it was announced that Shelby Oaks was coming out. ah To my best knowledge, like, I don't think that Chris Stuckman had any direct involvement with the inception of this series. It was entirely something that he adapted because originally Shelby Oaks was up for, you know, option, you know, was a thing that people were going to, you know, make, ah whether it was Stuckman I'm just looking it up ah for myself right now. That's why I'm some i'm just like... Yeah, it just blew your mind. Yeah.
02:41:54
Speaker
Also, I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but I do believe we should call it a night soon. Yeah, yeah I also got to go... I'm going into the city tomorrow with my parents to go see Rocky Horror Picture Show oh live.
02:42:09
Speaker
I haven't seen the movie yet, so that was what my plan was directly after this. Fair. That's a great late night viewing. Yeah, I'm going to watch that, head to bed, and then get up, go into the city, and see it person.
02:42:24
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That's awesome. Yeah, you're going to love worry. Yeah, I'm excited. i Really, i have no good reason as to why I haven't gone around to it. i just It's just one of those blind spot movies. It just keeps escaping me every year.
02:42:37
Speaker
and ah um It's good to keep blind spots. Yeah. Yeah, guess. purposely keep blind spots. I haven't seen a lot of great movies because I'm like, one day i will watch that in the theater or one day I will like, you know. Yeah, I guess. so Yeah, that's kind of the thing is it's like, yeah I guess it's that. It's like I just haven't found the night where I'm like, I'm in the mood or whatever, but.
02:42:57
Speaker
Tonight's the night. Tonight it has to be, literally it has to be tonight. I i just feel like, I just yeah feel, it but ah but I feel like part of it too though is it's like you go in with the and the knowledge already of what it is. You don't ever go in not, you know, being a virgin to it.
02:43:15
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You know? But like Doug was saying, it's about the music. You know? like you got Right. like But I also feel like it's like, Part of it is like it's the the audience like enjoying the thing they all recognize. yeah And so then like for anyone who's new, it's that like there's a sense of like arm's length alienation of like ah like oh everyone else is in...
02:43:37
Speaker
Sometimes, no, this is what I'm talking No, no, This is what I'm talking about for me. Like my personal experience. Got it. Of like, yeah of like going to see things that have like, ah that you decade you know, old, you know, where everyone knows it and I don't. And like, there's a level of like, I wish I had done a little, you know, seen it my own first before, you know, so I'd have that sense of like,
02:44:00
Speaker
ah you know, like familiarity with it. the The one good thing I will say about like without spoiling anything is like, is this kind of like a, you know, older fashion musical in the sense where it's like, you know, like the time work, they give you like yeah directions on how to dance, you know, like it's like, you know, yeah um yeah but at the same time, you're right. You know, there are certain things that you could miss out on. But it's not like, you know, the room, you know, you're not going to. Yeah. like dead Yeah. Like if you go to the room and theaters for the first time, you're going to have a terrible night because you won't understand a worse. Yeah. Why are people throwing spoons at the screen? All right. I get it. There's spoon paintings. Great. ha ha
02:44:39
Speaker
You know, it's just like probably annoying if you don't have any warning for any of that. But like, it's you know, you've watched the movie, you know, the the whole joke, then you go in and it's a fun time. So that's kind of the my mindset, I guess, with with the Rocky Horror.
02:44:53
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No, that's fair. well Well, you're going to be doing Rocky Horror, but Doug and i we're going back to that cornfield. but ha ah Oh, children. Children of Corn, yeah. All right, well, best of luck to you. Hope you get out in peace.
02:45:11
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Three? Three was good. Well, good. Three was good? Compared to the other ones. So it's like one of these instead of one of these. Yeah, but there's way more to go. We thought it was one of those. I don't know that it's... Oh, yeah. There's like eight more.
02:45:27
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it could just... It peaks at three, maybe. Yeah. And also, like, when we say peaks at three, right, like, three is like, you know... really fun you know decent you know but like like i'd probably still give it like a seven out of ten you know sure you can't be my like kind of goofy or whatever yeah yeah that's the best one yeah like you know what i mean yeah so it's like if seven out of ten is the best i have to look out for i'm like oh geez you know what i mean
02:46:00
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Well, no at least maybe they'll be fun, fun, engaging. they will rat attend It will will be. That will give you lots of material to mine, like, this you know, discussion wise. Yeah. Yeah.
02:46:12
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yeah that's what we're hoping for. I mean, that that's a good, you can segue into plugs. so I mean, let's do it. yeah Yeah. Jared, do you have anything to plug? um i I guess just like my Twitter, I'm doing and i um going to be doing another short film that's like going to be a... yeah It's like ah the director wants to do a feature.
02:46:39
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But in order to do the feature, you just got to do the short as of concept. So the short ye is like is really like the first 10 pages of the feature. the first like nine or i don't know however many pages. But it's like it's it's like that you know condensed into like a short form kind of thing. But the DP on it is ah ah ah Patrick ah T from Twitter. Yeah.
02:47:07
Speaker
ah oh you know the guy with all the cinematography posts that's right yeah Project Hail Mary yeah yeah yeah and he's a Toronto person isn't he yeah I think so so he's like flying in he's gonna be flying to I guess for shooting either in Westchester in Stanford Nice. but So it's me, him, and the director, the other actors. Very condensed set. Very, like, you know, no budget type of production. But it'll be fun. I'm doing it. It's like I'm playing a dishwasher in movie last summer in this short. I'm also another dishwashing character. Except it's a very different plot. It's a very different character.
02:47:50
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Very different kind of person. So it's not exactly being, i'm I'm not exactly being typecast. It's more just coincidence. ah but there are worse things to be typecast as though. Let's be real, you know,
02:48:04
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. but but I like that. i yeah yeah Yeah, I'm playing two totally different dishwashers. Totally different. You know, one guy, one guy, he you know, he watches a lot of crime shows, maybe he knows how to use a tourniquet.
02:48:21
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The other one, he's more of like the, ah i love what Ayn Rand has to say about the individual, and I'm going to try and make that My reality. Sounds like it's secure. So yeah.
02:48:39
Speaker
Very close to the dishwashers I've known in my life. Dishwashers. But uh... yeah just washes out ah yeah Yeah, really, though the the script, he's not a dishwasher for very long. He's really only a dishwasher in the opening scene.
02:48:54
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And then running the rest of the movie, the plot ensues, is what I'll say. The short is called The Policeman, as of right now.
02:49:07
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Okay, interesting. So, yeah. That does sound interesting. Yeah, cool. Yeah. ah Tony, you anything? ah You can follow me at PoorOldRulaTony on Twitter. um The Larry Fezzidan interview has dropped if you guys want to take a listen. on In Film We Trust.
02:49:27
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um Sat down with him for two and a half hours. Take a listen. um And then... Went by like that. Sorry? You're like, I sat down with him for two and a half hours and went by like that. is you like snap she really did It really did. really did. It was a great time. Yeah. um And like it's a situation... like That conversation is very much so a freewheeling. like It's very scattershot. ah But it it matters that it's that way also because like his newest film...
02:50:00
Speaker
just premiered. Like, he's, his newest film is called, uh, Trauma or Monsters All. And it's this idea that like, uh, you know, there was his vampire character from Habit, there was Depraved, and then there was Blackout.
02:50:14
Speaker
They're all coming together for like a crossover movie. So it's like his own version. Yeah, well, Avengers or, like, it's, like, his, like, universal monster movie team. Dark universe. you like Yeah, it's his dark universe. Yeah. It's his dark universe, right? Exactly. But it's, like, Larry Fessenden, so it's, like, all, like, sad boys, you know? um And and it's it's, like, in, like, the reason I'm saying it this way is that it premiered today ah yesterday in New Orleans, and... um He was like, you know, it wasn't just like ah talking about his filmography. It was also kind of like, you know, where he's standing now almost kind of thing. And it was really wonderful to have that conversation with him at this point in his career. And I hope to see it very soon.
02:50:58
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um Keeping my eyes peeled for when it could be coming up near me. um Also, I wanted to shout out Seeing Faces in Movies. I just recorded an episode on Ministry of Fear, the Fritz Lang film. Keep your eyes peeled for that episode.
02:51:12
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And also Two Cent Film Critic. There's going to be an episode on Strange Days coming soon. So keep your eyes peeled for that. That's all you got to plug. ah And also that's for a small radio, but Doug, you take it away.
02:51:24
Speaker
You follow the show at These Guys Got Juice and then also my personal Twitter at The Doug Files. And then just stay tuned for... For here, we got, i mean yeah we're closing up the pit, but we got a lot of other cool movies ah that we're going to be covering. I just posted in the loop episode, me and Tony did. So i check that out. Very, very timely rewatch of that. And yeah, like i got a like we said, unsourced wall radio on YouTube.
02:51:56
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We'll be covering what we have been covering the children of corn movies. So check that out. Everyone take care. Bye.