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Eyes of Laura Mars (1978)
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This week we're taking a look at the John Carpenter written Eyes of Laura Mars! A photographer with an erotic portfolio and psychic visions is burdened with work acquaintances being killed! Does Tommy Lee Jones have Benjamin Button disease? What architecture is sexiest?
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Introduction to The Erotic Thriller Club and 'Eyes of Laura Mars'
00:00:00
Speaker
Ladies, gentlemen, folks beyond the binary, grab your husband, wife, partner, mistress, the sexiest, most violent deodorant ad you can find, and gather around your radio. It's time for this week's meeting of The Erotic Thriller Club.
00:01:10
Speaker
You're a controversial photographer who's having psychic visions of your work colleagues getting murdered. If things couldn't get any worse, every man you know has a really guilty face. Can you stop the murder while also convincing people that your photography is real art? This week on the Erotic Thriller Club, Eyes of Laura Mars.
Hosts and Podcast Focus
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Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to this week's meeting of the Erotic Thriller Club. As always, Garrett Callender and Kit Ryan here.
00:01:38
Speaker
And this is where we answer the genre's three most important questions. Was I aroused? Was I thrilled? And would I ruin my life for this person? Garrett? How you doing, buddy?
00:01:52
Speaker
I don't know, this was a weird one to do. I mean, I guess Happy Halloween, because we're continuing we're continuing our Halloween series, and it felt fitting to do an erotic-ish, jello-ish.
Creative Forces Behind the Film
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Speaker
Jallish. Jallish. Jallish. Jallish. First movie that John Carpenter wrote. Is it really the first? I mean, I saw his name pop up there, but I didn't know that this was his first.
00:02:22
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This was, as far as I know, like the first film he had in theaters. And he was the writer, so. Interesting. But then we've got fucking Irving Kirschner as director on here, who did Empire Strikes Back. And that just feels weird to not. Oh, suddenly the whole movie makes sense now that I understand that it was by the same person who did Empire Strikes Back. I get it now.
00:02:53
Speaker
No, that's not true. That's a lie. um um I don't see the parallels, but, you know, maybe that just shows what a chameleon of a director he is. What a bizarre cast in this movie, like before we get into any sexiness.
Notable Cast Members
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They don't are bizarre. I think you mean incredible.
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Okay. What was, let's go back and forth and we can like, we if we had to draft them like an NFL fantasy draft, who's going to be your, who's going to be your first number one, number one draft pick Tommy Lee Jones.
00:03:29
Speaker
Oh, good, then you didn't take mine. My number one would be Raul Julia, greatest actor of all time. oh my god He's the absolute goddamn best actor in the history of the world. And the best performance of all time is Gomez Adams and Adams family values.
00:03:48
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, he's an incredible actor and he would have been my number two, but ah now I'm drafting Brad Dorff. Brad Dorff is who I'm draft drafting as my next pick. I love that guy. he's He plays a slimy weirdo so very well. I love him. Well, then I guess I gotta go Faye Dunaway from our classic mommy dearest.
00:04:15
Speaker
I guess you have to. Well, like I guess I have to go with Academy Award winner. faal Right. Yeah. No, then I'm very happy to pick up. I don't actually know his real name. Oh, no. From Deep Space Nine. Her agent. Yeah. and The Donald Phillips. No. heard wait No. Renee. rene
00:04:40
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our majority, you're sure? right auber jean I don't know, he's fabulous. I love him. ah I had no idea he had this kind of role in him with the big beautiful hair.
John Peters' Career Journey
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ah It's great. The big beautiful hair in this movie comes from it being produced by John Peters. ah John Peters was a guy who He kind of, I believe, I mean, maybe I'm stealing this phrase from Kevin Smith, but he like failed upwards in Hollywood. Like he started as Barbara Streisand's hairdresser, dated Barbara Streisand, got this movie for her to star in, which she was uncomfortable with like, you know, the sexual nature of a lot of it, and just gave the song for the book ended the movie.
00:05:31
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That's why there's a song by Barbara Streisand written for this movie is because she was supposed to be in it. And her boyfriend was the producer. And like I said, hairstylist. So there are some very John Peter's ass hairstyles, which did you see all hair like the hair is on point the whole time. Did you see the movie licorice pizza? I did not.
00:05:56
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ah the Bradley Cooper plays a crazy film producer in that, and he is playing John Peters. um If anybody listening who has never heard Kevin Smith's story about writing Superman Returns, or it will what would have been the Nicholas Cage one? Wait, is it where he fights the giant spider? That's this guy? That guy was a hairdresser. That guy was Barbara Streisand's hairdresser.
00:06:26
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who dated Barbara Streisand and became a film producer. You are blowing my goddamn mind. No shit. The the famous spider guy who wanted ah to fight a giant spider so badly that he put it in wild wild list. Correct. One and the same. I love that. Oh, this is great news. Does that change the whole movie for you? Well, it does explain the giant spider in act three.
Film Style and Script Insights
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Took you a sec. Oh, my God. So, OK, the movie, you know, it opens with we're seeing murdering through the eyes of the killer and, it it you know, has kind of a psychoish feel to it. First person view of going around and stabbing things. You can.
00:07:22
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You can really see kind of the pre-Halloween, like John Carpenter-ness of it, which John Carpenter, I guess they ended up doing a rewrite on it. um David Zala Goodman that did straw dogs was brought in to rewrite. And I guess John Carpenter hated the rewrite. He seems like a pretty grumpy man though. So I don't think there's much you could do to please him. I mean, ah didn't they change who the killer was though? Like, wasn't that part of what was changed?
00:07:51
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because i would like to know I would love to know who the original killer was supposed to be. Well, I want to know this because on. So the only place I've seen this is on IMDB. Tommy Lee Jones is credited as one of the writers, but it's not, it wasn't in the opening credits of the movie that he was accredited writer. So I wonder if, what happened? I mean, it's possible he improvised one of his weird monologue at the end or something. Oh, Tommy Lee Jones actually wrote his own monologue, but notes to the Writers Guild, but accredited it
00:08:30
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to the film's director. Okay, yeah I found that now. Tommy Lee Jones, perpetually an old man. He was 32 in this movie. And he somehow looks older in 1978 than he did in the fugitive in like 94 or whatever.
00:08:50
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I think it's the hair and the eyebrows that really age him. He he's got more of a unibrow thing going on here. He definitely needs that cleaned up a little and something about the 70s hair just doesn't doesn't suit him particularly well. And there's a lot of close ups on his, you know, beautiful craggy face and you get the feeling that like, so So Tommy Lee Jones wasn't always an old man, but he did always have an old man inside him, clawing his way out, desperate to reach the surface. I would guess that if you found the earliest known photo of Tommy Lee Jones, that you'd be able to tell even as a baby that was him. And also, a bizarre thing, he wears a lot of turtlenecks in this movie, and at a certain point, we noticed like, dude's got a thick ass neck.
00:09:43
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He's got like, like, if you've ever seen the neck of Corpse Grinder from the band Cannibal Corpse, he has a very thick- Oh, no. Garrett, I can't say I've ever seen that. Well, he is the inspiration for the TV show Metalocalypse, the lead guy in that. But he has a very thick neck from years of headbanging. And I want to know what Tommy Lee Jones' excuse is.
00:10:09
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um I can think of several, none of which would be appropriate to discuss. um Well, at least not in the first 10 minutes of this show, because we don't wanna, which listen folks, apparently the algorithm has not been kind to us because we've said too many naughty things in the first 10 minutes of the show. so Who us?
00:10:32
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I can't believe that. Specifically, I got a thing from YouTube that's like, listen to this, and then I had to sit there and listen back to myself describing a fingering scene from Dark Water that we're now listed as an 18 and up podcast, which honestly is probably fair.
Podcast Rating and Audience Impact
00:10:54
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It is, it is. So that really does mean the algorithm was throwing us at a lot of people who didn't ask for that. ah Well, we're welcome. You're welcome here. Anyway, we love each and every one of you. Absolutely. So, yeah, Tommy Lee Jones does wear a lot of turtlenecks, but he has ah when we do see him shirtless, he's got he's not like bulging with muscles below the neck. So it doesn't seem like he's just overall, ah ah you know, a buff guy.
00:11:29
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I do wanna discuss his body hair now that you've mentioned him shirtless. I would love to. So, Tommy Lee Jones, like once you see his arms, once he's out of his sweater turtleneck, you're like, oh, goddamn, Robin Williams' hairy arms. Hairy, hairy, hairy arms. But once the shirt comes off, like that dude is hairless. like That guy is swimmer hairless.
00:11:53
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Not quite, but close. One little boosh right in the crest here. the cres sternum, right in the sternum. Yeah, he's got one a little bit. um Yeah, it is surprising. You do expect there to be a more even distribution of hair on the man, but you know ah that's not always the way the follicle's gonna do.
00:12:20
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In this movie, the sexiness has nothing to do with any of our leads. We don't even get any cheek. I wanted cheek so bad. Garrett, I wanted to see Tommy Lee Jones' butt. You wanted Tommy Lee Cheeks. You were hoping that would be his name after this was over. But we didn't get anything. We got like, I mean, there is technically a sex scene, but to be honest, a little too tender for this podcast.
00:12:51
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Not nearly enough thrusting. And by not nearly enough, I mean none. There was no thrusting. Not a single thrust, not a thrust to be add.
00:13:02
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So really the sexiness of this movie comes from her job, which I mentioned in the intro. She is a controversial photographer. And I love this world where maybe this was real in the seventies, but people seem to fucking hate photography.
00:13:20
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Yeah, there's um and somebody trying to interview her as she walks in and is, you know, accusing her of being um offensive to women. And then it cuts to inside and there's somebody, you know, for television talking about though the work. And he says, are we running out of paintings?
00:13:42
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um And is that why they're we're pumping up an artificial market for photos? Is this real art? And I'm like, you'd think they were talking about NFTs over here. I'm serious. I didn't think that in the 70s we were still questioning whether photography was a real art. I thought we'd sort of decided it was.
00:14:10
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But the idea that like, oh no, the only reason people would buy these is because we ran out of paint. We ran out. There was a paint shortage and now this lady is filming and her art is a little controversial. It's mostly murdered women. yeah a lot Tits out blood, you know, splattered. um this This movie does have i um a style of modeling that is still very popular today, and that is the one-tit-out model. Where like, it seems like a little peek-a-boo, like a here it, oh, didn't mean for that to happen. And it's nice to see that it's, you know, the 70s, it was going strong. And today, you know, yeah especially if you're in Europe, you're gonna see a shampoo ad. There's one-tit-out.
00:15:06
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Is it true? You need them both. Well, imagination for the other. Do they look the same? Is it symmetrical? It is up here. I know. If you gave two tits, that's porn. One tit, art. Well, debatable in the 70s, because this is trash, and it's it's hype. The hype machine is telling me that I should give a fuck. I have never seen an art opening where so many people are actively there to shit on the art, unless it's me at a Thomas Kincaid opening.
00:15:38
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I mean, yeah, honestly. um And, you know, she's ah I looked at the art. I thought it was fine. I thought like, honestly, I've seen worse. ah It's not even it's not gory or anything. The women don't look super dead. It's not like she put them in really realistic death makeup or anything. They're just pretty ladies.
00:16:05
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Like, but this one's like falling half off the bed and her eyes are kind of rolled back in her head. And I just it doesn't I was not offended. But then again, I am from the modern era. And as we all know, people sensibilities were very different in the 70s. They were all prudes.
00:16:29
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yeah Who would have such a smutty coffee table book? Honestly, I'd love to have a copy of this coffee table book. for my own private collection of coffee table books. Yes, it turns out that the person who got murdered in the opening, which Laura Marrs saw ah through the killer's eyes, was the editor of her upcoming coffee table book, ah which is i ah just all of her photography.
00:16:57
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and so um Tommy Lee Jones is at the is at the art gallery opening as well. And Jones Brad Dora, a little person. Yeah, they really wanted to. It is so strange. i I cannot explain the choice to have her like be told about her editor's death.
00:17:26
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while she is holding the hand of a little person who is perfectly in frame. Like she felt a little David Lindsay. She's having this very emotional moment where she's like realizing that she foresaw ah the the death of a woman that she knows and is close to. And like meanwhile, perfectly in frame with her
Murder Suspect Speculations
00:17:50
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is just some some some guy holding holding her hand still because she was like in the middle of greeting him when this ah happens to her is so strange.
00:18:03
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Maybe a friend of the director, because he popped up again, but had no real... See, I questioned the whole movie, is he really the killer? Because that's a good pop-in. Here's the thing though, Garrett, I knew from the beginning it wasn't, because the eyes would have been lower closer to the ground. Stilt, stilt, stilt.
00:18:27
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Stilts in a trench coat, baby. It it it was possible, anything is possible. I didn't think of that. You're so, so right. But yeah, she also mentioned something about like, oh, I was at the border and I was taking, you know, getting shots there. And I was like, OK, so but also you're a war photographer. Those two things don't usually overlap, but OK, sure. Why not? ah But yeah, Tommy Lee Jones is here and he is. Is he impressed, Garrett? Is he impressed with this work? Hi.
00:19:02
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Hype, doesn't get the hype of photography. Why do you need a real picture when you could just paint it? um Why should I have to buy? It's funny that so many men looking at this are offended by nudity.
00:19:19
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Yes. Well, he seems to have the problem of like he thinks that she must be a frustrated voyeur type, I think is what he says, um because he's talking to her, of course, about the art, not realizing she is the artist. And ah so he's insulting the art, insulting the artist. And then, of course, finds out that she is the artist and is vaguely embarrassed. um Yeah, he he seems to think that like Uh, death is not, um, I don't know something that should be glorified or something. I don't really get it, but her take on it is that she, she has death pushed on us by the the media. Everything is death. You know, society is killing us spiritually and literally, and she is just, she can't do anything about it, but she can make you look at it.
00:20:18
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like god I do think it's really funny that her murder art is actually being used to sell products. Yes, that is the wildest part. As it turns out, this is not just um fashion a hobby yeah this is or or a hobby or she's just an independent artist. No, no, she is she is oh talking about ad campaigns.
00:20:40
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Um, with Odo from Deep Space Nine, her agent, uh, they're talking about like ad agencies and they do mention, as Garrett ah alluded to, a deodorant commercial at one point. That we're gonna use this to sell deodorant.
00:20:57
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We even see bus ads of a cosmetic company that is just like her models. I don't think tits out on the bus, but holding guns and shit. They were holding guns and they were like on a motorcycle looking like, I don't know, very dangerous. And here's the thing is I get it. I've seen enough um America's Next Top Model in my life. I understand the fashion photography.
00:21:21
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a type of deal, anything goes there. But deodorant does not seem as easy of a sell here. You telling me, see, I bought deodorant based on the rock telling me to buy deodorant. If a topless lady with a gun to my head is trying to sell me deodorant, are you kidding me? I am not a loyalist to the rocks deodorant. I'll switch.
00:21:48
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That's fair, man. that i I can't argue with that. What's the most violent ad you've actually ever seen? Can you think of like an advertisement that used other than a movie I do remember the one that was very ah famously controversial, which was when it was like at the PlayStation handheld console thing, and there was a black version and a white version. And so they thought a really good idea for their marketing campaign will be to have a black woman and a white woman fighting each other.
00:22:24
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and everybody was like, that's fucked up, because it was fairly violent. And I don't know that it sold all that many PlayStation whatevers, but I do remember that ad campaign being very controversial. Okay, second question outside of this, ah in this photography is not art. Not art. Bullshit.
00:22:50
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What current medium of art do you think is not art? And I think we're living it currently as we speak. Is the podcast podcast it Podcasts are not art, not art. No, ah podcasts are like ah that just fits in the tradition of radio. Right. Like radio is art. Is it not? I mean, OK, there are seven main art forms, I'm told. Right. It's what? Paintings, sculpture.
00:23:21
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Professional wrestling. No, no. Theater, which I think professional wrestling can fall into. Freestyle, hip-hop. Music, I think counts.
00:23:34
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ah Photography or cinematography, that is one of them. I can't remember the other two. um Dance? Was dance one? No, dance counted under theater, I think.
00:23:52
Speaker
Can't remember. Point is, I feel like oh, writing writing was one of them. I can't remember. It doesn't matter. Point is, I would say ah AI shit ain't art, and I'm really ready for that to be gone. I hate that shit.
00:24:10
Speaker
You know AI would write a sick erotic thriller though. Like if you let AI write a script and then shot it in the insane way that AI writes and did it literally exactly the way it said it, like it would have its merits.
00:24:27
Speaker
God damn it Garrett. um But you're right. You're right. yeah You're right. It's not art. It's not art. It doesn't have intent behind it. Therefore, it is not art. I understand your your question of whether what we do is art. Answer. No, it is not. um It's nonsense. ah Why? What else do you think is not art that people currently think is art? Architecture. That was the other one of the seven arts. Boom. Got him.
00:24:56
Speaker
Really? architecture I'm not saying that like buildings aren't works of art, but it seems like that'd get lumped in with painting or drawing or one of those. drawing um No, like Frank Lloyd Wright, that's art. What's the guy that in our our a college town? They're all of his domes. Bunkminster Fuller. Bunkminster Fuller, yeah. That's art and math. so It's not sexy though.
00:25:24
Speaker
Oh, come on. It's a little sexy. You've never seen a bucky dome and thought, oh I'd like to give that a squeeze. I'd like to give that a plowing.
00:25:39
Speaker
Back to this movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So throughout this whole movie, like we just meet men who seem guilty, but as yeah my favorite thing is she is literally seen through the eyes of the killer throughout the movie. And when she has these psychic visions,
00:25:59
Speaker
it completely takes over her vision so she is just a blind person fumbling around in the dark which does go poorly when she gets one while driving that is not ideal not an ideal situation but yes.
00:26:14
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the The potential men, ah we have Raul Julia as her ex-husband. He plays the slimy ex-husband very well. He's very manipulative of her. He's nagging her in order to and blaming her for everything and then gets money out of her.
00:26:36
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I loved him, he's really funny. He's the worst person. And then it's just like, this is your fault. This is your fault. You're fucking, well I can't remember what the the second killed person was, ah her job. Like the gallery, no, the agent, she was her agent. It was her agent, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, Odo's supposed to be her agent. I don't know who that is. You're always provoking me.
00:27:03
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Yeah. Point is he is fucking someone close to her and still says like, this is all your fault somehow. He's like, how dare you get the person murdered that I was fucking and now I look guilty. You dumb bitch. Give me $50, please. Yeah. Yeah. And I love later that you find out that like we found him. He was drunk, passed out at a laundromat.
Raul Julia's Character Spotlight
00:27:30
Speaker
It's all very believable. Yeah, he's like, they're going to think I killed this lady just because I was fucking her um and living off of her money. And ah now all my stuff is still at her place. So please, I need you to give me money to get out of town. We could have seen Ralph Cheeks. I think he would have shown Cheek. No one asked.
00:27:54
Speaker
and apparently not, which they should have. um Yes. So um among the other suspects, we do have Odo ah with his fat, the her very fabulous ah agent type guy. He organizes a bunch of shit for her and he's kind of manipulative of her, too. He's definitely like, all these people are going to be out of work if you cancel this shoot just because people around you keep dying horribly. You don't want that. Do you?
00:28:26
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That's pretty selfish, don't you think? a ah We got young ah Brad Doreff. And my God, is he well quaffed. His hair is incredible. The hair, the beard.
00:28:41
Speaker
He really has it going on. And I feel really bad for him in this movie because, you know, at the beginning, he's in a suit at the party. He's her driver. And then it comes out that he is a former criminal. But yeah the police start hassling him over a switchblade that he carries um when they start questioning everyone who is associated with her.
00:29:05
Speaker
ah They take a special interest in him because of his criminal past. Of course, they also take a significant interest in, I should stop calling him Odo. His name in the movie is Donald ah ah because he's gay. Like they clearly are harassing him at the police station because he's gay. And that's not cool. So a scene happens at the police station after the, so I don't remember if it's the first or second. Third kill.
00:29:32
Speaker
Well, which kill is it that like Tommy Lee Jones is at the police station and we find out he's been a cop this whole time. And I mean, I almost want to spoil the movie with this because so he shows her the book and is like, have you ever seen this book? And it's her because the killer is stabbing everybody in the eyes.
00:29:53
Speaker
Yes, that is the thing is that ah the heat the killer kills everyone by stabbing him in the eye with like an ice pick or something similar, some long thin thing. And the ah the he shows her the copy of her book, which is unpublished, so there shouldn't be that many out there. And she the ah her face on the cover has been stabbed in the eye. Had he already seen that book before he went?
00:30:25
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to. He must have just seen it at the editor's house because she was the one working on the book. So I assume he just ran into it there while he was in the middle of killing people. Because it seemed like because so maybe the person I watched it with was mistaken, but she was like, oh. The. He saw her on the cover of that book, her face is the cover of that book. He already knew what she looked like when he went to that party.
00:30:54
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Oh shit!
00:30:57
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Cause oh my God, you're right. That woman was already dead before the party started. And he went there to like investigate, which is what you find out when she's at the police station and he's already got the book. So I think like I was watching with our friend Kelly and she was just like, he's the killer. He's sees her. He's knows that that's her face on the book. You know what she looked like.
00:31:26
Speaker
But then why did he ah say dumb things to her like he didn't know who she was? That's because I think he's like fucking with her. Is he fucking with her? Because I was not clear at the end whether or not Tommy Lee Jones had multiple personalities. He for sure does. So maybe he doesn't know that he knows like it was a different version of him that that did that. And so like the second personality didn't know who she was.
00:32:00
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I don't know.
00:32:03
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Yeah, um, point is there's a Columbus Circle photo shoot with a car on fire and hot models cat fighting that sells lingerie, baby. It really is just a long series of who's going to get killed next. Where is she going to be when she's having these visions? How bad is that going to be for her to suddenly be blind?
00:32:29
Speaker
to me watching her drive while she was having the vision, my wife has vertigo. So it to me it gave like an insight on what it probably is like when my wife has vertigo and is driving, just crashing through tunnels, smashing into shit, driving through the front of a store. um How many times has your wife ah driven through the front of a store? ah Just out of curiosity. Well, I don't know, I wasn't there.
00:32:56
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ah There's plenty she's not telling me, I'm sure. Oh, that's probably true.
Police Skepticism and Comedy
00:33:01
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ah But yeah, the the the the cops, of course, don't believe her at first when she says, you know, I saw it and they're like, you were five blocks away. Would you see it with a telescope?
00:33:15
Speaker
See, these cops to me are the real movie because they keep having to get called out because she's having psychic visions. And a night late 70s New York police officer, happy like getting that call, I mean, like, I got to deal with this fucking shit again, like. This bitch, and oh my God. I was just about to sit down to dinner with my wife and this lady's having psychic visions. I don't buy it.
00:33:46
Speaker
Yeah, so Tommy Lee Jones, along with showing her the copy of her book that has been stabbed through the eye also shows her some crime scene photos. that look exactly like her photos, like the the angle and the way the body is positioned. And these photos are like two years old. So the ah crime happened but before she made the photograph. So it's not like somebody saw her photo and then was inspired to kill in the same way.
00:34:16
Speaker
And she's like, that was around the time where I started getting flashes of of murders and violence. And I was just trying to like make art out of it. Do you really think that I would commit a crime and then take a photo that looks exactly like my crime? That's stupid. Do you think that that does make her a hack and that everybody was right? I mean, her work only started getting big, Garrett, once she started.
00:34:45
Speaker
doing this kind of murder shit. but So by the end of this movie, does her do her visions disappear? Do you think, or does she keep having visions of someone else killing? No, Garrett, i my theory is that the reason she saw through Tommy Lee Jones' eyes when he was killing is because they are soulmates.
00:35:13
Speaker
He did seem to believe that they did fall in love very very fast el in love very fast and they were talking as after in their post-coital bliss about like you go through your life alone and you don't realize and then once you You so you find the right person. It's so lovey-dovey nonsense. I've never spoken that way to my fiance And I don't think real people ever do. um Where it's like, then you just you can't imagine living without them. They're your perfect blah, blah, blah. So, yes, I think that the the movie is telling us that they were soulmates and that's why she can see through his eyes when he's having these moments.
00:36:01
Speaker
Hmm. If you found a better explanation, I'd love to hear it, because there is no actual explanation for why she got these visions. It's just so annoying that this late in life you become a psychic. like It seems like it would be hard to deal with. like If I just suddenly started having psychic visions with all the other shit I have going on in my life right now, I'm just, I couldn't handle it. That's an extra thing I don't need.
00:36:32
Speaker
It's so true, especially when you're in the middle of a wedding. You're like, I'm trying to plan a wedding. I'm trying to plan a wedding. I have a very expensive photo shoot with a car on fire right now. I need to concentrate.
00:36:48
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It does make me think though, like they had kind of like, a it was like a meet cute murder. um And that actually does sound like a cannibal corpse song title. So it's making me think that maybe that thick neck he is.
00:37:03
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oh
00:37:07
Speaker
Let's see there. Sorry to break in there. There's more shooting. And by that, I mean photography shooting. She keeps saying that like, oh, I can't do it. And then everybody pressures her to go back to get back to work. And yeah everybody's standing around. Yeah. What are you going to do? What are the shoots? Models waste their time.
00:37:29
Speaker
She really does run away from a film shoot to a crime scene. Like you don't even realize that the film shoot is still happening and she is just now looking at a murdered lady. Yes. Yeah. And that's why I think all those people got dragged in but the police station to get assled.
00:37:49
Speaker
and That was hilarious, that was really good. I think though the really, the the sexiest murder we get is a couple of the models that are living together and giving each other a topless massage. Yes, which that is what, you know, that's all they wanted to do was give each other sexy massages. I don't see why they had to die. It's so sad. Well, they participated in smudge.
00:38:17
Speaker
a So I like that they are lesbians. They rebuffed, you know, every man who came at them ah based because they were all creeps. Brad Dorff tries to hit one on one of them. It goes not great. It's just a red herring so that you'll think Brad Dorff kills them when he doesn't. um But yes, I don't know. They go on to the next shoot and this one is like sexy ladies at a pool party. And then there's a murdered man in a suit and she gets like a vision of another man in a suit and someone hands her a gun and she doesn't want to touch it. She freaks out. She's like, give it to the model.
00:39:05
Speaker
Also, there was one really weird throwaway line where they're getting the girls ready. And she mentioned something about covering a girl's eye. And I was like, are they just casually talking about how they like one of the girls has a black eye and they need to put makeup on it? See, I couldn't tell if she had a bad like makeup on already. No, like make sure those eyes get covered up or if she did have a black eye. I was very I think it's supposed to be that she has a black eye. And I think this movie has capital T thoughts about violence like and violence against women, violence in society, violence in art and the media. And it doesn't know what to do with any of these capital T thoughts. It just it just throws it out there and and figures it, you know, in the dark room, presumably art will have been made.
00:39:59
Speaker
Well, it was a handful of boys writing this and dealing with this. So, you know, you put a handful of boys together and this is what you're going to get. And surprisingly, they think that when models aren't modeling, they're giving each other sexy topless massages.
00:40:17
Speaker
yeah I mean obviously real life research went into that to know not like how much of a lost, just a mistake it was to not include this, that when she's having visions while they're at this like pool shoot, that she didn't fall in a pool blind. There is so much slapsticky things that could have happened.
00:40:38
Speaker
anytime she goes blind like why not have her in a fancy china store when one of them happens and it just turns into her thrashing around breaking everything it's not even clear until like her fourth vision or so that she actually is blind while these are happening it takes a while for for them to get to the the funny stuff of her stumbling around and driving over pedestrians. I'm just saying, reshoot this movie with Rowan Atkinson. Mr. Bean is gonna bring out things within this story that you didn't know.
00:41:12
Speaker
There could the be the part where she is running and and seeing herself being chased, right? Like she should have been falling a lot more while that was happening because that would be so disorienting that be like, yeah, I'm running. And then suddenly I see myself from behind. Like that would be so hard to keep running through.
00:41:36
Speaker
Do you think us though, living in our current time, if that happened to us, we would be able to adapt to that easier because of all of the third person video games we've played?
Modern Gaming and Psychic Visions
00:41:48
Speaker
Oh shit, I bet you're right, actually. Yeah, we'd be super good at that.
00:41:53
Speaker
All of that Animal Crossing time spent during COVID really helped.
00:42:02
Speaker
see Especially for the part where I'm going to grab a shovel and go after the guy who's murdering me. um but yeah That was one of the ones, though, where it didn't entirely make sense. They're clearly trying to set up when she's running that um you're supposed to think that it is her fabulous ah agent, Donald, who is the killer because he's like the only person you see. And then when he catches up to her, like it is instantaneous. There is no way he did not see the actual killer. He is right there, which is why you think it's him.
00:42:42
Speaker
I don't know how it's possible that he didn't see the real guy.
00:42:49
Speaker
Magic's weird, Kit. I mean, is the is the vision really real time? I don't know. That's a good point. I don't know how psychic visions work. And God willing, I'll never know.
00:43:05
Speaker
So, so yes, ah she's in the dark room and she sees the vision of the models getting killed. She's stumbling around trying to get to a phone to call them and let them know that they're about to be murdered. She realizes it's too late. And then we cut to the funeral for the models where the priest gives a very touching speech wherein he says he did not know them personally, but he wanted to say something about them. So he pulled out his Webster's dictionary and looked up the definition of the word model.
00:43:43
Speaker
Funny a thing in this whole goddamn movie, I was cracking up. I was like, what? These people don't have families that they could get for this. We really need this guy.
00:43:55
Speaker
see I thought the funniest thing in the funeral scene was there's a bereaved man who was just like, why did you do this to him?
Dramatic Funeral Scene Critique
00:44:05
Speaker
Why did I? He is big reacting, like bigger than Mrs. Kettner and Jaws when oh if she finds out that Chief Brody knew there was a shark in the water. She handled it better than this man. But that being said,
00:44:22
Speaker
these were two very beautiful models not her weird son and enough you obviously we know it's more important um yes ah
00:44:38
Speaker
He does, he goes, he has to be dragged away from her as he is screaming and thrashing, blaming her for this.
Killer's Dual Personality Revelation
00:44:46
Speaker
And um Tommy Lee Jones offers to to take Faye Dunaway out into the woods so that she can have some time to, she doesn't want to go back to the city right away. She's so traumatized. She's like... But before they had there, they saw the...
00:45:04
Speaker
They saw the little guy again. You weren't like. Yeah, you're right. He was at the funeral, of course. would yeah I mean, you could say he was lurking or just being a regular person at the funeral. I'm not sure he was just there to like be a regular person. and I did have a moment where I was like, wait, are they showing him again because he's the killer? And that's when I realized, no, no, the camera would have been lower to the ground if you were the killer.
00:45:34
Speaker
Point is they go out in the woods. She's talking about how sad she is and how she feels so guilty. And he's like, it's not your fault, which he should know because it's his fault. And then um next thing you know, they're making out. He is a terrible police officer. Yeah.
00:45:54
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and yeah I know those officers aren't supposed to be the actual murderer. So yes, he is in fact a terrible police officer. Yeah, you're right. Like he's already done the killing. So kissing on on the person that, you you know, honestly, even a potential suspect, because for all we fucking knew, she was the killer this whole time. And she was no way we see she has alibis for all of these murders.
00:46:24
Speaker
The photo shoot one, she is surrounded by people. That's true, that's, yeah. But she does run, so, yeah, no, yeah. Nope, you're right, you're right, you're right. So they both know it's wrong, but it feels so right. It's so unprofessional, but he can't help himself. And then next thing you know, they're naked, and we see nothing.
00:46:49
Speaker
You just see them sort of cuddling, disciplined. I mean, I don't know where i but I maybe misjudged how sexy this movie was gonna be. Do you think it was not sexy enough for this podcast? do you like I feel like we do need to make up for it.
00:47:09
Speaker
I do think we need one that's extra sexy to make up for it. um But here's the thing, though, is it follows so many of the previous ones we've watched. It has a lot of jello influences you see with the first person camera of the killer wearing gloves, right? It has those elements. And also, I'm pretty sure the the the the The mystery is solved in the exact same way as Dance with Death, which is introduce a lot of skeezy male characters and kill them off one by one until only the police officer is left and therefore it was the cop the whole time.
00:47:47
Speaker
Hail as old as time. Hail as old as time. Song as old as rhyme. The cop who's investigating the murder. Her friend, dressed in drag. Yep, the cop who should not have, you should have known he was too unprofessional for this because he's trying to have sex with you. So if a cop is, listen, here's a word of helpful advice to all you ladies out here.
00:48:11
Speaker
And if the cop is investigating a bunch of murders that happened around you and he's like supposed to be protecting you. He did it. He's don't fall for it. Don't fuck him. He's the murderer. Sorry. It's just the way it is.
00:48:29
Speaker
Sorry, I'm looking up young photos of Tommy Lee Jones right now. And I found a photo of him from when he was 24 and he looks older at 24 than he does at 32.
00:48:44
Speaker
I think he's got Benjamin Button disease. Oh, you know, you may be right. Because here's the thing. I do think he looks better now. I think he is a handsomer man. He's grown into his looks in many ways. All right. All right. So and sorry birthday party for himself. ah It's Brad Dorf's not invited. He carries in the gift from ah Faye Dunaway and then is basically told to come back in an hour and
00:49:17
Speaker
You were okay before we knew you were a criminal. Now, even though you're the same person, we don't care for you. But I'll be honest, I didn't want to be at that party as a viewer. That party sucked. They were playing bridge, Garrett. What could be more fun than that? I don't know. They were kind of annoying. Everybody seemed like old creeps. I just wasn't into that. They used trick candles on the cake. You didn't think that was a good gag?
00:49:47
Speaker
No. Well, that's probably why he died because he was wishing to not get murdered and they were trick candles. They wouldn't go out. Yeah. So that's unfortunate. That's actually his death is on his pals. And honestly, just another reason why I love this actor, like as he's going in to give a piece of cake to the guy playing piano, he is singing to himself for I'm a jolly good fellow.
00:50:18
Speaker
Then he puts the cake down in front of the piano player and says, don't take your hands off the keys. Thus implying that this man should just put his face directly into the cake to eat it. I loved every second of it. Good party then. You've actually changed my mind. Thank you. That is an ideal way to eat cake. Yes, yes it is.
00:50:41
Speaker
And so she gets a call saying, Raul Julius drunk in a laundromat and needs your help, I guess. Well, he's threatening to kill himself. Yes, he's threatening to kill himself. And she wants to go see him, but she doesn't want the cops that are supposed to follow her to follow her because she knows that they might arrest him on suspicion of murdering the woman he was sleeping with.
00:51:07
Speaker
um and And so she she she and ah Donald have a great plan, which is that they switch clothes so that the cops follow the the lady in the dress that and they don't see her sneak out after in in Odo's clothes. And when they stop him and realize that he is not ah Faye Dunaway, they ask, why are you running around dressed like this? And his response is, it's my birthday. That was maybe the best thing anyone said in this whole movie. I can do whatever I want. It is my birthday. Yeah. ah But this is when, of course, she ah gets the vision while driving.
00:52:02
Speaker
So she doesn't even make it too to Raul Julia just to to to help him because instead she crashes her car into several things. It's actually a pretty well done chase sequence. It's certainly the most high budget thing within the movie and the most the camera has like had to move and the most action just the yeah there's a lot's a lot going on in that scene and I think though, sorry, I've been sitting here thinking like if I had to have psychic visions to another person, who would I most fear to be in the eyes of? Oh boy. Okay. Good question. Well, my answer, I've got it already. Okay. Yeah.
00:52:48
Speaker
because i I would be mortified if I lived my life normal, but then suddenly I am put in the head of Britney Spears as she records her TikToks. That's what you would have a problem with. There's so much twirling, Kit. If I'm suddenly blind but also twirling. You would throw the fuck up. I would throw up and break everything around me.
00:53:22
Speaker
And that is a terrible life. And you try and explain that to a police officer. It's like, you don't understand officer. She was twirling. She was twirling and it's dangerous. She was holding a knife. i'm trying Okay. i sure Other terrible moments you would not want to suddenly have your vision switched with another person. ah Yes. While someone is murdering someone seems pretty terrible. um Skydiving also seems like it would be very unsettling.
00:53:51
Speaker
um i don't know it's like night terrors during the day such you're not paralyzed you're fully free of your body to then crash into shit
00:54:12
Speaker
Um, I wouldn't want to suddenly be behind someone's eyes while they're like stuck at the DMV or a really boring event of some kind. That wouldn't be very fun. You're like, I only end up in the eyes of Dan when he's working on spreadsheets. And I like Raul Julia wanted to kill myself at the laundromat.
00:54:35
Speaker
And he's making errors and I am helpless to stop him. And I know it's gonna make a bunch of work later. He's so bad at math. God damn, can't you do just the simplest function correctly, Dan? Jesus Christ. oh And then I have to be back in his vision when he's getting screamed at by a supervisor. I hate that.
00:55:06
Speaker
Get me out of this movie. yeah Get me to the end. Nothing sexy happens for the rest of the movie. Yeah. So the you know, we're running out of suspects. Only Brad Dorff is left. So the police are like, guess what? It's it's Brad. We found one of his playing cards in the elevator under the under Donald's dead body and therefore we think he did it. And um I don't know, Brad Dorff tries to talk about how he definitely didn't do it. ah He's not very good at explaining himself.
00:55:50
Speaker
And next thing you know, he's running out the door, stabs a cop in the stomach with his switchblade. And we get a fun little foot chase where Tommy Lee Jones has to run through the streets screaming his own name. Because Brad Dorff's character is named Tommy. And I kept wondering if that was weird for him. Hmm, that is a good question. I've never had to scream my own name. Garrett! Garrett! I love you! Garrett!
00:56:21
Speaker
So there's a big chase. All the cops are coming after Brad Dorff and um ah one of them shoots him. So there goes Brad. We are certainly at a point in this. I'll probably edit me out saying I have nothing to add to the rest of this movie. Like this is just a movie now. Nothing sexy. A movie. Kelly ruined who the killer was.
00:56:50
Speaker
I mean, it became more and more obvious, right, that it was going to be Tommy Lee Jones because they just kept killing off every other possible suspect. Like you knew from the beginning it wasn't going to be Brad dwarf because it's too obvious. The man carries a switchblade and you see it in the first, like,
00:57:07
Speaker
30 minutes of the movie. No way it's him, right? He felt reformed too. yeah He just, he felt, I felt like he did his time. He learned his lesson. He's got a good job. Why would he want to fuck that up? Like he's got a good thing going. He's invited to fancy parties. He gets to go to galas. Now he's ah sent to the fucking basement. So I see he's frustrated. He stabs a cop. We've, you know, we've all,
00:57:34
Speaker
He thought he was going to get locked up for something he didn't do. I can see why his instincts sort of kicked in then. Um, so yeah, um.
00:57:47
Speaker
um Tommy Lee Jones is bad guy begs her to kill him. Yeah. Oh, we're skipping straight to that. We're not going to get just probably throws a door through a window or throws the a chair through a window because that part was pretty rad.
00:58:00
Speaker
That was good, but it's just like this was a movie where like towards the end, I'm just like, let's get there, man. Let's get there. They even have him stab Raul Julia in the elevator just so that we can prove like, OK, no, we have killed off literally every single potential suspect. It has to be him. There is no one else. I'm honestly surprised they didn't kill the little person just to knock that guy off the list, too.
00:58:27
Speaker
ah You're right, people are really getting knocked down like the but little squares in a game of Guess Who. It's just like, click, click. The only face left is Tommy Lee Jones staring straight back at you. See a male pattern baldness, see a mustache, see a short stack. Like it's just like boom, boom, boom. Yep, yep. And so this is the part where the movie starts to get a little confusing. So she sees a brawl Julia getting killed in the elevator and she's like, Oh, no, the killer still alive. And when someone then is pounding on her door, she's like, No, that's the killer. Oh my god, I'm locking it. I'm not letting them in. And then Tommy Lee Jones, next thing you know, is throwing a door, ah throwing a chair through the window of ah her apartment.
00:59:22
Speaker
I don't even know how he did that. She lives on like, ah you know what? I'm not going to overthink it. Point is, he comes rushing and is like, are you OK? And I'm like, does she not know? How could she not know? It has to be him. And she's like, no, there was someone killed in the elevator. He's like, there's no one on the elevator. He starts talking about himself in the third person, and that's when it becomes clear that there's probably a multiple personality thing going on here.
00:59:50
Speaker
And ah it's a little unclear ah what exactly is going on. It talks about a dissertation. I don't know, man. And- Do you think that Tommy Lee Jones writing his own monologue is an explanation for the whole film is maybe why it's like- You know? Kind of falls apart right at the last scene. You might be onto something actually there.
01:00:21
Speaker
That's weird if they're just like, if he's like, I took it upon myself to summarize what I think is that fucking happening. Yeah. Yeah. This is, this is what I think my character's backstory is. He's crazy. And that's why I don't hear John Carpenter talk about this film all the time. And, you know, talks about like Halloween and the thing and escape from New York and And the many, many others. ah So, yeah, next thing you know, he is begging her to kill him. Just like Raoul Julia at Alondromat.
01:01:01
Speaker
Yeah. And this, you know, that's why she didn't want to hold the gun before she was having a flash of of this guy. I guess.
01:01:14
Speaker
ah be honest I don't care how how true a love it is. If somebody's monologuing at me like that, and then it's like, kill me, it's like, yeah, two steps ahead of your bow. Do it before he gets halfway through this monologue. If I had a nickel for every time somebody monologued to me about their mental illness or vice versa, me too.
01:01:42
Speaker
in which case they would have the right to shoot you, I suppose. My meds aren't working. That happens to me sometimes. You know, you forget to take your meds and you just, you fucking monologue too hard at everybody. That is literally, yes, happened to me. It's that, yep. For real, like that's a that is a thing that happens. and I'm not saying with just you, I'm saying me as well. like This is actually an outlet for our mental illnesses.
01:02:12
Speaker
otherwise I talk too much. So yeah, Garrett, so if this is a soulmate based thing, how would you feel if throughout the day you randomly were in your partner's eyes? Once again, depends. It sucks that her soulmate is an insane person. a It really is just a bad stroke of luck on this one. Yeah, but no I think she'll rebound.
01:02:40
Speaker
That's honestly the problem with the idea of soul mates, isn't it? Is that, you know, if there's only one person meant for you in the entire world, there's nothing saying that they aren't also a serial killer, um, who's targeting all of your loved ones. You know, be it isn't even loved ones. It's just work colleagues. Like most of these people throughout, they're like, did you know them? And they're like, yeah, I mean, I worked with them, but I didn't like know them.
01:03:07
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. But then again, she doesn't seem like she's got a bunch of friends and family. You don't see her, you know, calling her mom talking about how hard this all is or her sister meeting up for coffee to discuss how sad this is or her friends taking her out for a drink. She only knows people from work. It's like you're at a workplace comedy like sitcom.
01:03:32
Speaker
whereas for some reason none of these people have lives outside of their work colleagues. Do you know how much better Sydney Prescott's life would be in the Scream movies if vague acquaintances kept dying and not the people she's closest to?
01:03:48
Speaker
That's a really good point. Like, what the fuck? This is a movie where this lady has to deal with vague acquaintances dying? and Yeah. And that's her ex that she she's better off without him. He was just sucking money out of her and making her feel bad about herself. I mean, I guess if you get down to it, the people that died are her editor, her agent,
01:04:16
Speaker
her driver, her models, like a gallery owner type person. Like there's nobody here that is, you're right, a close personal friend. She only has- Other than, well, the guy who dressed in drag to help her get away was like the closest thing she had to a real friend. But again, he also is through work.
01:04:45
Speaker
For sure. Like we didn't see her best friend get murdered. We didn't see her sibling. We didn't see she didn't have a different lover. Not even a dog. Not even a dog Garrett to get killed. That sort of says something a little sad about this woman's life. Don't you think that like she didn't have anyone closer to her for the serial killer to murder than her colleagues. I kind of love that it took us this long to be like, oh, this woman's vague acquaintances where like they, I mean, she will feel a little responsible for sure. And she will go to the funerals. And yes, going to that many funerals in that short of a span will fuck you up. And knowing that she doesn't even really cry at all of them.
01:05:31
Speaker
No, she even says by the end that like she has run out of tears. She's gotten on left, although she manages to summon up a few more while she's on the phone with the police telling them there's a dead man in her apartment.
01:05:45
Speaker
Beware vague acquaintances. How do you think that New York and this one stacked up to our other New York's? I think this was really the least scary. Definitely not a very scary New York, which is odd considering everyone's a suspect.
01:06:02
Speaker
And there's it takes place in several half empty warehouses because those are fun places to do photo shoots. um But no, the the environment itself never seems scary. She never never even feels like New York. No, other than when they're in Columbus Circle.
01:06:20
Speaker
Unlike Sex and the City, New York is not a character in this movie. Or a Woody Allen movie.
01:06:28
Speaker
No, there's definitely no meat and fire district. There's no, you know. I don't think they could have filmed it somewhere cheaper. I mean, maybe they did. Maybe only the Columbus Circle scene was filmed in New York. It's entirely possible.
01:06:45
Speaker
But yeah, it does feel a little like it could be anywhere other than that one scene. And no, you never feel like the city itself is dangerous. It's really just someone hates her in particular.
01:06:58
Speaker
which is really every critic. It could have been any critic who's like, this isn't art. It's like that guy, do you remember I sent you a video of a little angry man in New York screaming at a guy practicing the trumpet on the street? Yes, yes I do. Yeah, no artist. I walked Bob Dylan onto the stage, you piece of shit. That guy.
01:07:24
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. and the killer in this He was actually more threatening on the streets of New York than anything. Yeah, I'm honestly surprised that like the lady who accused ah her of being a bad feminist like that lady wasn't a potential suspect. The person who said we're running out of paintings isn't a suspect.
01:07:46
Speaker
I mean, every anyone in that gallery, any art critic, any, you know, there were so many people instead, it was only people close to her that were both suspects and victims.
01:08:03
Speaker
Can't bring this one home. All right, Garrett, scale one to five. Were you aroused?
01:08:11
Speaker
as much as the art of one boob out modeling is timeless, not really. um it was I mean, ah sexiness was in the background of this movie. You're in a constant state of seeing nude photographs from a distance, but a one, a one, maybe a two, because they're nice photographs, they're well done. yeah What's that artist's name, Helmut Newton?
01:08:40
Speaker
Do you know that he's like a famous photographer, right? He was a German Australian photographer.
01:08:50
Speaker
who the New York Times described him as a prolific, widely imitated fashion photographer who's provocative, erotically charged black and white photographs, or a mainstay of vogue and other publications. Oh, now that I'm looking at the pictures, yes, yes, I do know. Yeah, they definitely had this kind of effect. They did all the photography for this movie. Did he really? That's so cool. Yeah, I mean the photography is nice, which is funny that he signed up to be in this where everybody's like, your photos are shit. You know what I just realized now that we're talking about the photos? Her photos were inspired by the fact that she got flashes of a crime.
01:09:31
Speaker
like in her head. So really all this stuff that he hates her for, her degenerate art, was caused by him. He's the murderer. who And then she saw visions of him doing murder and made it into art, which he was then mad at because how dare she trivialize death in such a way and and make it into something that sells deodorant, right?
Philosophical Implications of Murder as Art
01:09:58
Speaker
Like he cre- like
01:10:02
Speaker
ah Like Oedipus, he has created ah the monster that then he must destroy.
01:10:12
Speaker
He has created the fate. Was his murder art? ah His murder was not art. I would say the crime scene photos could be art. They were basically just as good as the art.
01:10:29
Speaker
Yeah, hers had a slightly, you know, better composition in a couple places, like ah a better angle. Once again, little crazy New York guy walking by is like stolen valor.
01:10:44
Speaker
So, ah no, I'm putting this ah at a ah ah point five at best. i Like, yeah, we saw some tits. That's it. And and like this, this just the tip of a sexy massage. The yeah tip like it we got teased with one. And and then cock blocked. So no, thank you. Well, Julia Cheeks would have gone a long way for me. Absolutely. Or Tommy Lee Jones would have been great. um All right. Were you thrilled, Garrett?
01:11:18
Speaker
No. what I do think it was well shot. like i There were the the eyes from the killer and the stabbing, but it's also like pulling from kind of things you've already seen, but also things that are to come in cinema as well. so with But not necessarily thrilling. I wasn't worried for anyone in this.
01:11:42
Speaker
Yeah, the only time you really get truly worried for her is at the very end when the killer is literally in the same room with her, threatening her with a gun or whatever. like Her blind driving was wild. Yeah, that's true. That one did give me a little bit of anxiety on her back. The reason picture like, that scene, how it was shot is like,
01:12:08
Speaker
if Roger Rabbit is driving a car and suddenly got something in his eyes and can't see, but is also not dropping, driving full speed through a crowded area. Yeah, yeah. yeah ah So what are you putting that at? It's still gonna be like, oh.
01:12:29
Speaker
a low two, high one. I don't know, it's somewhere in there. I'll put mine at a one. I was more thrilled than I was aroused, but no, it's not. I mean, I i enjoyed seeing all of these lovely, wonderful, talented actors. I definitely enjoyed the performances of yeah everyone.
01:12:50
Speaker
um Faye Dunaway goes like, especially at the end there, she goes into full hysterics. It's great. um But yeah, I would say not all that thrilling. um And would you ruin your life for Tommy Lee Jones? Somebody was going to monologue at me about mental illness. m That's my wife's problem. not
01:13:15
Speaker
No. no No, I am intrigued with his neck. I'm intrigued with his age. But he's coming on too strong. He's not a very good police officer. He is such a gentle lover, though. Yeah, he does seem like that would be true. He was so gentle, I wouldn't even know if he had inserted yet.
01:13:38
Speaker
like It might be too gentle because then again, there is no thrusting. So what are we even doing here? um Just getting close. Yeah. I would say I would absolutely ruin my life for ah no country for old men era Tommy Lee Jones. I would not ruin my life for this Tommy Lee Jones.
01:14:04
Speaker
which is crazy that you say that because he looked like Javier Bardem in parts of this movie. He did kind of, he had the hair thing going on. No, he's, I don't know, he's the same grumpy old man he is today. And I don't know, like this isn't a bad movie. It's not good for this use, I think.
01:14:28
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No, if you're looking for thrills or arousal or ruining your life, this one is not for that. But I still enjoy it. That is a horror movie. I don't think it does that either.
Film's Fit Within Podcast Focus
01:14:40
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I think we failed on all counts, Garrett. What are we doing here? We fucked up and don't have enough time to redo the Halloween episode. We could have just done like Slumber Party Massacre. And there's plenty of tits in that.
01:14:56
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like this is Well, I have to put failures. I hope you still had some fun talking about Tommy Lee Jones age and um I don't know, Britney Spears twirling. there is there Tell us ah who you who you would least like to suddenly be seeing through the eyes of. I'd love to find out.
01:15:20
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Yeah. Leave that in the comments. There you go. And yeah, thanks for listening at erotic thriller club on Instagram, erotic thriller club at gmail dot.com. If you have any questions, comments, concerns, please keep leaving those reviews on iTunes or wherever you listen. Cause that just, I don't know what it does, but it warms my heart. I like seeing it. It's very nice. And, uh, oh, if you're in America and, uh, you're able to vote, uh, early voting has started. So in,
01:15:49
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Lots of states, go vote. Voting is good good. It's good for you. And if you're in Nashville at the week of this release, I will be part of a comedy show at Third Coast Comedy Club but on Sunday, November 3rd at 6 PM. So come on and see me as a action movie expert at a comedy game show.
01:16:15
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How can you be an expert on so many different genres? I'm a very nuanced person. I like a lot of different things. I'm the president of the Jason Statham fan club. Self-proclaimed, self-proclaimed. Yeah, obviously. All right, take us out. All right, everybody. Thank you for listening. We love you. Wet your snails. We want to shake you naked and eat you alive.