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The Mummy (1932): Elder Whemple’s Plight
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Movie spoilers abound! Welcome to our Phsysics Phoundations Course! Today we’re discussing the original Mummy from 1932 with Boris Karloff. Unlike the 1999 remake, this version looks at the titular Mummy more as a man with love, loss, and desire for a life like the one he had in Ancient Egypt, than as solely a villain. We’re talking creature features, movie structure, othering, Elder Whemple, transatlantic accents and more! So grab your shovel and join Kylie and Skyler as they uncover their first original monster movie!
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00:00:20
Speaker
All right.
Introduction to Sci6101 Podcast
00:00:21
Speaker
everyone, and welcome to the Sci6101, where we discuss everything about the world of psych and the antics of Sean and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar, and this is my partner, the Wemple family.
The Mummy (1932) in Film History
00:00:31
Speaker
And today we'll be talking about The Mummy, the original from 1932. Hello. time you watched movie? movie this old? yeah nineteen thirty two when's the last time you watched a movie have you ever watched a movie this old I don't know.
00:00:52
Speaker
You know, when was The Wizard of Oz? I feel like that was my movie. 39. There you go That's probably the oldest. oldest? Yeah, I think so. That makes sense. And it's interesting that The Wizard of Oz, like, i feel like is still, like, for a, I think, I would imagine for a lot of people might watch it every year or like, you know, like, if it's on, they will watch it. Yeah.
00:01:15
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It's a really old movie.
Legacy and Modern Reimaginings of The Mummy
00:01:16
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Yeah. Yeah, well, I wonder, too, if it has to do with the reimagining of The Wizard of Oz as well, like with Wicked and then Wicked Becoming.
00:01:27
Speaker
Oh, this has, too The Mummy. Yes, The Mummy as well. Definitely has a ah legacy. Yeah. Yeah, so we, like, constantly kind of come back to it in a way. Yeah. Yeah, true.
00:01:40
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Yeah, one I think the oldest movie I've seen was probably in film class in high school, which was Nosferatu, which was
Silent Film Era vs. Modern Cinema
00:01:50
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22. I was just watching some commentary because Nosferatu was just recently redone.
00:01:56
Speaker
Mm-hmm. redone and people were talking about like this iteration of it in comparison to the original and i was wondering if i should watch the original should i was it good should i watch it uh i mean it's been a long time since i've seen it but i think yeah it's definitely i feel like that is kind of my point of reference for like ah really old movie and so i was that's why i was like do they even have like can they even they have speaking in these movies like in this movie because in no strata i don't think they do it's like You know, you see action and then there's like a title card that has like a quote on it.
00:02:27
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Yes. Well, this movie started like that. And I was like, is this going to be the whole thing? got So much attention. Yeah. Well, I was kind amazed. Like, I don't know if anybody from 1932 is still around.
00:02:41
Speaker
Like, I don't want to offend you. But no, it was like it didn't feel that old. No, I agree with you. Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, I feel like we could even watch Nosferatu for this because it is part of like for the idea creature feature. Yeah.
Subtlety in Classic Horror Films
00:03:00
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um Which this and movie kind of surprised me in that I expected it it wasn't as like...
00:03:06
Speaker
sort of sensational and like right big and like the effects. I was like, did they just not have the ability? But like there were some other movies around the same time. Like I think, cause I was doing some Googling and like King Kong was like the next year.
00:03:20
Speaker
oh really? it wasn't like, one there was like, I think the, the original creature feature, the first one that saw was like the Gollum, which was like in the twenties.
00:03:32
Speaker
Okay. So it was like, not like they couldn't do, more but it's like they didn't and so it was a lot more subtle yes than i felt the same yeah even from the beginning like when we were in egypt and they discovered this thing and the mummy's like standing in the background i just the whole time i was watching and i was like oh this is like a slow burn like of yeah and the fact that he was right there the whole time i'm like is that is that him yeah yeah the mummy
Suspense Techniques in The Mummy
00:04:00
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right there yeah yeah and another thing we noticed was like like just some of the choices because we were like could they not do music and dialogue at the same time but they could in later scenes they did but then when like when um the mummy was coming alive there was no sound and i'm like what an interesting choice
00:04:24
Speaker
Yeah, very spooky. Like there was no dramatic like score, nothing scary. Yeah, it was just like silent. Yeah. It was interesting. I feel like in some way the the removal of things actually added it here. Like it felt very much like you were sitting with this archaeologist looking at this thing and you knew what was going to happen. You knew it was coming.
00:04:49
Speaker
But you're just like, when is it going to happen? When's it going happen? When's it going happen? And you couldn't tell from the swelling of the music. So it was just like, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. That is interesting. Like, yeah, like kind of playing with expectations, which is interesting to think like film being so young at this time, like what you like how many expectations were there? Right. Like like how many norms were they?
00:05:11
Speaker
Were they breaking arms? don't know. Yeah. Like sitting with that guy. to your point, like he has his back to the mummy while this is all going on. So like for him, it is just quiet. He's just reading this map. And then the background, this is happening.
00:05:28
Speaker
So yeah, maybe the lack of music does kind of. add to like putting us with him. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was a very interesting watch. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was interesting to watch it after having watched The newer Mummy, because we kind of talked about how the newer Mummy was like a blockbuster-y
Storyline Comparisons: The Mummy 1932 vs. 1999
00:05:50
Speaker
kind of movie. Like there was so much happening and like, you know, it it went through a lot of storyline. We had like lots of special effects and like lots of kind of spooky stuff.
00:06:00
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And this was almost the opposite in what happened yeah and it was kind of shocking yeah for a lot of it like the mummy the titular mummy was just yeah walking around he was just a man and I'm like Boris Karloff you know I've heard that name I like know he's Frankenstein I've seen that face and I was like expecting like some real monstrous presence yeah but he was just a guy walking around for a lot of it ah um and yeah and I don't know if that was supposed to be like
00:06:34
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the spook of it all, if you know what I mean, that like he he was able to just kind of assimilate into this culture and and become a person and nobody noticed. Like that's kind of spooky.
00:06:46
Speaker
I kind of liked the lore of this movie, like just ah in terms of like the story of how he, came to be yes reanimated and like, and then, yeah. And then what happened after I kind of liked, I felt like that worked better for me than in the 1999 movie, because like, I think we talked about in the 1999 movies, like, why would they curse him like this? If they knew he was like, he could wake up right and and wreak havoc.
00:07:16
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like yeah It just seems like a bad idea on their part. Right. But in this one, it was like, he was doing that on purpose so that he could get his love i think or yeah and then they buried him with that scroll so it was like it was all it all sort of just happened whereas like in the other one it was like a consequence of what they did to him right yeah in in the other one the people mummifying him right wanted him to be able to come back to life as like a punishment in yeah and
00:07:52
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He wanted to come back to life to be with his girlfriend, who he also tried to make come back to life. This one, it was just happenstance.
Defining Creature Features
00:08:04
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But in the other one, it seemed like it was supposed to be purposeful, but the purposefulness didn't. but it was like But also like an accident because they had this like... this order of people who were charged with making sure he didn't wake up, but it was like, they always knew that was a possibility. and it's like well, why did you do that then?
00:08:23
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I know.
00:08:26
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i know And I also thought they did a much better job in in this one with the storyline of Helen, like of the, of the girl. Yeah. Cause I think what happened was,
00:08:38
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if we're gonna just like figure out because we said we were watching the other one too like oh she kind of looked like her i didn't didn't she kind of look like her in the original so maybe they like pick someone who kind of looked like her for this one and then like he fell in love with her because she looked like him like This original one, it actually had nothing to do with the fact that they looked exactly the same. That was just happenstance. It was the fact that her soul went into Helen's body. That was the thing. And i was like, oh. I think she did kind of look... She did. I feel like it was all there.
00:09:11
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But there was a more clear line between her and the princess. Yeah. and like They just maybe did a better job of delineating that than...
00:09:24
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In 1999. Yeah, I really liked how um like that in that last scene with Imhotep and
00:09:36
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Anxinaman. hu Sure. That she was like an active participant
Egyptian Beliefs in Film Adaptations
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in what was going on. And then they also had you know She's kind of like, whoa whoa, whoa. I don't want you to kill me again. like i like that they had tension in that. She was like part of that and alive and talking to him within yeah Helen's body.
00:10:02
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Because I feel in the yeah in the remake, she's
00:10:08
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ah She is kind of animated, but she's like in a super mummified form, like doesn't speak or anything. um So I did, I thought that was cool. And um yeah yeah, I really liked that kind of fight that they had.
00:10:23
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And I feel like too, it almost... Now, I'm by no means an expert in anything mummification or ancient Egypt, but from my limited knowledge, it I feel like it makes more sense with the beliefs of the ancient Egyptians because what they're talking about when they mummify someone is the preservation of their soul, not their earthly body. Like, that's not the thing that they care about.
00:10:46
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It's the soul itself and, like, bringing everything else with them into the afterlife so they have a good time in the afterlife. So the fact that, like, her soul... is what is brought back, not in her mummified body, but in the body of somebody else, I feel like makes more sense than just reanimating Anxanaman in the 99 version.
00:11:08
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Yeah, I feel that. and Yeah, and in terms of, like, just the logic of the movie, which, you know, obviously also not an expert in ancient Egyptian beliefs, but, like, it made sense in terms of, like, why he needed Helen. Mm-hmm. Yes, yeah. Like...
00:11:33
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that Like to give her soul ah form so that he could, they could work together or whatever.
Character Motivations in The Mummy
00:11:40
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Yeah. um Yeah. And I liked that, like the whole movie. Because the other thing in the remake, I feel like, I like how we're just comparing the two.
00:11:50
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Well, for the purpose. The Evelyn, like she was pretty, she was herself like the whole time, you know, like he he wanted her.
00:12:03
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Imhotep in 1999 wanted her to like come with him, but like she was never like like possessed or anything by that desire. And i I liked in this one that she kept going to him and like felt called to him and really wanted to go there. And I was like, because there was this connection and and I felt like thinking about – how this movie would have been like when like in terms of like Hollywood lore of mummies that would have been what was pretty new and so I felt like it was really it really reminded me of like vampire lore and like it makes sense that like in terms of developing what this mummy thing was going to look like for Hollywood that they would have borrowed from what they already
00:12:51
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Yeah. and what they are at and new work played with quite a bit yeah because like i feel like there was like this kind of eroticism between the two of them and like she kept her you know she really wanted him yeah but and she didn't understand why but she like kept going to him and that felt very vampirey to me Yeah, I mean, even the that whole, like, mini-scene when they, like, trap her in this bedroom with this nurse and she's, like, getting ill yeah because she's
Evolution of Creature Features
00:13:20
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refusing to go to him. Like, that's very, yeah.
00:13:24
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Yeah, I liked this whole story felt a little bit more natural maybe than the remake. There were pieces of the remake where I felt like the two of us were just kind of like, what? Well, I do feel like it shows how the conventions have changed.
00:13:47
Speaker
yeah Because really, what, two people die in this movie? ah Because like guess in the and when he's first ah unearthed, that one guy who's there when he...
00:14:00
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leaves the laughing guy oh so three three die yeah who's the other person the one of the guards in the museum oh right the guard okay yeah and then then and and then the dad wimple senior um yeah and i guess the laughing guy he didn't die because he sort he was he went mad yes and then later dies um but not directly it was and it was almost more like shock yeah at this point it's not yeah it's it's just more like moody and romantic there's like just a lot more emphasis on that and i feel like the mummy character is just a lot more present in the world and stuff and then like in by 1999 there's like
00:14:49
Speaker
there's like plagues and like just it's like the number of kills goes way up and everything is just like super
Sympathy in Monster Movies
00:15:00
Speaker
heightened um so i do feel like just changed like maybe what you were watching the movie for Yes. Okay. i I like how you just said that because it's exactly kind of what popped into my mind, but you put words to it.
00:15:14
Speaker
ah In the beginning, this first mummy, it feels like the story is about the mummy. We follow, like, we find out about him becoming the mummy. We see him come back to life. We find out why he came back to life. We follow him trying to bring back you know, his his love from when he was originally ah person.
00:15:36
Speaker
We see her soul get back into, you know, like we we follow him. And then in the remake in the 90s, it feels much more Brendan Fraser's character and Evelyn.
00:15:50
Speaker
And the mummy just like happens to be there. True. Mummy's like a backdrop for their story, which makes me wonder what, is with the purpose of a creature feature?
00:16:03
Speaker
what What is the purpose of, in this case, we're talking about the mummy. So are we looking at the creature as the storyline? I think if you were to look at the mummy, the original mummy, and even like the original Nosferatu, just from what I've like little peeks of it that I've seen. Yeah, it's about...
00:16:23
Speaker
this individual that maybe doesn't you know fit within the confines of what we currently understand to be a part of society and then in the remake we just see like oh this magical fantastical thing that we're trying to figure out yeah that's an interesting point because like yeah by the remake it's like the mummy is much more of like a big bad kind of yes and then like yeah this Like when when I was like Googling like creature feature history, trying to like again crown myself in and this lineage. um
00:16:59
Speaker
Like one of the headlines was like from Creature of the Black Lagoon the shape of water, which is like it's really interesting to think of the shape of water as yeah
Themes of Sympathy and Horror
00:17:10
Speaker
maybe closer to yeah that original um lineage than the mummy 1999 which is maybe more of like a divergence towards just like the action adventure like road because we talked about how like when we were talking about that movie we talked about kind of the that the action and adventure that like these sub genres and this being kind of like an it being kind of an overlap um and so maybe it leaning that way it's kind of getting away from maybe what the creature feature is about where there is this like
00:17:44
Speaker
Like you said, this sort of like outcast monstrous figure who maybe we're a little sympathetic to also. Totally. um And I've not seen The Shape of Water, but from what I know about it. We should watch that one too. You would really like that one.
00:18:01
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like our podcast will never end because we can follow just every... thread but have ever touched like in any oblique way which is like every time ever yeah yeah well i think it would be interesting you know of course creature from the black lagoon like you just said to then do a comparison between that and the shape of water because they they are kind of kindred one another in a sense so and that's a lot more like about the as far i know Like the creature and like there's, he's he's fearsome, but also it's a romance for him. So it's like, that's very different from what we see in The Mummy 1999. But maybe like there are two sort of ah divergent paths that were, that this kind of subgenre is heading down.
00:18:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. and And The Shape of Water, from what I remember, because I watched it when it originally came out, It was part of it was like trying to come to an understanding about this
Cultural Perceptions in Films
00:19:10
Speaker
creature, like being fascinated with it and wondering why is it locked up? And like, h what are they? And are they really, you know, this big, bad kind of a thing? Right.
00:19:19
Speaker
And I feel like you you kind of get like. Pieces of that in the original Mummy of he's supposed to be this spooky, creepy thing that they essentially buried alive because he did something so horrible. And now he becomes, you know, reanimated. But in reality, he was just a person who loved another person who wanted to be able to get back to that.
00:19:41
Speaker
You know, that was really all that happened. and And it's kind of creepy in the sense that, you know, there's like magical elements to it. But this individual is not necessarily um ah black and white bad person or bad figure, you know.
00:19:58
Speaker
Mm hmm. Maybe that's kind of interesting that we've we talked about this a lot, but it seems like the the 1999 story wanted to make this a very like black and white, like you said, big bad.
00:20:11
Speaker
Right. Action adventure, kill the bad thing done. It feels like maybe the original creature features are a little bit more gray area, a little bit more like let's think about this and not just kill the thing.
00:20:25
Speaker
Yeah. The Shape of Water gives me that kind of vibe, too. Yeah, let me pull up one of the ones I was reading, one of the little, like, history of creature feature things i was skimming before this.
00:20:39
Speaker
Okay, this is from Asgardpress.com. Monster movies, the origin of the creature feature. by Pam McCamey. Pam writes, one of the elements of monster movies that makes them so popular is that the monsters often evoke a strange sense of sympathy.
00:20:56
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These creatures have been brought to life or brought out of their place of safety through the actions of misguided humans who then misunderstand the monsters and antagonize them with their attempts at harm.
00:21:08
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Filmmaker and self-confessed horror superfan Rob Zombie of Halloween and the monsters admits to identifying with the monsters in the movies he saw as a child because he too felt different and misunderstood it is the dichotomy of feeling empathy for a monster while simultaneously celebrating with the humans that defeat it that often defines a successful monster movie
00:21:32
Speaker
Okay. I feel like that really, like, gets to what you're saying. Because it is, like, well, in the 1999 one, he, Imhotep, is punished because... I'm trying to remember. Does he...
00:21:50
Speaker
Well, he – oh, he – it was an affair for one. yes. don't know that we got to that and now as obliquely – not obliquely, the opposite of that. Explicitly in this one, if it was ah the same.
00:22:04
Speaker
Because she was a princess, but he was a prince too. Yes. So it it didn't really seem like she was with anybody else. I don't know. I think she – Because she was supposed to be like a ah daughter of Isis or whatever, ah ah follower of Isis, I think she was supposed to like remain pure.
00:22:28
Speaker
You know, I don't think she was supposed to, she's built almost like a vestal virgin kind of a thing. Right. And then him coming along kind of removes her from that expectation, I suppose, which is maybe what was the bad thing about it.
00:22:44
Speaker
not necessarily she just die or do they kill her no i think she i think she dies she just dies and then think i think what he's punished for is trying to bring her back yes he also takes the scroll yeah oh you're right just like an interesting well i don't know like i mean it ah it may all be there and i feel like that's it like there's like an interesting imposition again not that i'm an expert on ancient egyptian um beliefs, but like all of that feels very like Christian.
00:23:15
Speaker
Yes. told him Like dabbling in like dark magic. It's like, oh, it must be punished. He even says, I was... punished for doing something unholy, which like that kind of language feels very, so i don't know. It was just kind of interesting that there, it's like they, in order to maybe make it accessible to like Western audiences, they are like using these yeah um more conventions of Christianity.
00:23:37
Speaker
Yeah. I thought that was interesting that all he really got was getting punished for, was for doing something unnatural of trying to bring her back from the dead.
00:23:49
Speaker
h um Whereas I think in later, in the 1999 version, it's a more... He does something more... Yeah, I think it is Well, he does try to bring her back too. Yes.
00:24:01
Speaker
I think. But also there was more of like he was sleeping with somebody else's... Correct. Yes. Bride and yeah.
Moral Themes in The Mummy
00:24:10
Speaker
Yeah, it was more clearly like, oh, that's not something...
00:24:15
Speaker
That we in modern day would say, you know. Yeah, there was like some more like moral like things at play. And maybe like in terms of like what he might be punished for was more familiar to like the contemporary odd and audiences of 1999 versus just like, I don't know, the kind of witch trial vibe.
00:24:35
Speaker
yeah thank you pretty do Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah. When I wonder, I wonder too, if you know, with ancient Egyptian beliefs being so centered around like this passage to the afterlife, I wonder if with Imhotep trying to bring her back, if that was in some way, like, preventing her ability or stopping her from, or if that was their, maybe their thought process, ah that it would stop her from being able to travel into the afterlife. So I could see that being like a very punishable thing um hu in the quote unquote, in this world of ancient Egypt, because then it's like, well, you're, you're messing everything up for this woman. Like, you know, the rest of her eternity, you know, you can't just go do that.
00:25:24
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. And then, and the the way that part part of The way these are leaders um handle this problem is not only do they embalm in Hotel Alive, but they bury the ah the scroll with like the magic of reincarnation. They bury that with him, so it's like nobody will ever be able to do it again.
00:25:52
Speaker
Oh, right. And they bury him. This I thought was very interesting. They bury him in like an unmarked grave. Yeah. Yeah. like very intentional. They like take a bunch of like random people, bury him.
00:26:03
Speaker
Yeah. they Oh my gosh. That was probably the scariest sequence to me. First, the mummifying him alive. yeah That was super creepy. And then, yeah, they're just like enslaved people, like dig the hole and then they killed them and then they killed the knights who killed the... It was intense.
00:26:23
Speaker
And that was probably the most... we saw in terms of sort of like gore yeah was in those scenes because we really didn't see other than like a heart attack being acted out we didn't really see anything yes yeah that's true yeah yeah we yeah we didn't other other than that and that was another thing i was sort of expecting was like yes just bigger yeah let's say yeah like spookier scarier more murdery
00:26:56
Speaker
Because we see like little bits of like magical power from the mummy. But I was expecting, um was expecting a lot. Yeah. more like And also like his, the way he looked, like I was expecting more like, I don't know, prosthetics or just like a more haunting figure.
00:27:15
Speaker
Yeah. I do you have to say, though, those freaking jump scares of just his face the screen. I was like, oh, my God. And it was like three or four times. i was like, oh, my God.
00:27:30
Speaker
I think mostly just because it was like super close up and his eyes were very wide. and like Yeah. tried to make i did feel like they did something. Like he had like lines on his face. I think they tried to make him look very like dry.
00:27:44
Speaker
You know, like when when your skin gets dried and it's kind of like cracky. h Yeah. think I think they tried to do that. And that was a little freaky.
00:27:54
Speaker
It freaked me out. I wonder, I was wondering, I have to say, while we were watching this, I was wondering to myself, how did they make that happen? Did they put like you know, like a gelatin or something on the face that like made it really tight.
00:28:09
Speaker
And then like, I don't know. Was it just like individual prosthetic lines? I don't know. But yeah, that's scared. Scared me to no end. Yeah.
Appreciating Classic Film Narratives
00:28:21
Speaker
Yeah. And those were moments where he was sort of like watching the action, right? Like he had this sort of like portal, which I did think that was probably the coolest special effect to me when, when he's showing her the portal and it like fills with steam. That was pretty cool. Yes.
00:28:39
Speaker
But yeah, this, this version of Imhotep definitely seemed more like, well, it's also interesting because he was reanimated, right? in like I think I looked in the script because I missed like the time jump so it was like 1921 when he came alive and
00:29:00
Speaker
Yes. When he like tells them where to dig up his princess, which is like he said like over 10 years is to up plan. and And I feel like you get that vibe from him. It's like he's not going into this without a plan. And he's got – Yeah. ah um And so I kind of – I like that too that he was just like – he seemed a lot more in control of the situation. Mm-hmm.
00:29:27
Speaker
Yeah. and And also like single-minded, which I think yes plays into that last scene where him and his princess, that princess sort of argue because like even though it is all out of love, it is very self-centered.
00:29:46
Speaker
Like yeah he doesn't ultimately want what she wants. He wants what he wants for them. Right. So, Yeah. Yeah. I liked the the structure, like the storytelling structure of the original one a little bit better as well.
00:30:03
Speaker
It felt a lot less... Like i think we mentioned in the first episode where we watched The Mummy that the beginning felt like it was going so fast.
00:30:14
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Just us to the storyline that we needed to actually see. And then there was like five minutes, like five different times where it felt like it could have ended. Yeah. I liked that this one it almost left us like guessing and kind of wondering what was happening. And it wasn't until Imhotep himself decided to tell us like why he got here that we understood it all, you know?
00:30:41
Speaker
Yeah, that's a really good point because I was kind of – because, yeah, in 1999, we start with the backstory. Yeah. And um with this, we start with the archaeologists who found – or unearthed Imhotep.
00:30:55
Speaker
And, yeah, there's, like, a lot more mystery to, like, what all is happening. Yeah. And um that – I agree. I think that was effective.
00:31:06
Speaker
And yeah, the way the scenes work, it was funny because I was thinking of like Columbo, how we talked about how we just sit there and watch some guy like walk for like a full minute. And this was like the opposite of that. I felt like they would start doing an action and then we would cut to like a different perspective and it was done or like way different. I was like, whoa.
00:31:28
Speaker
Yeah. So um it's interesting to think of like if that was by necessity, you know, maybe they didn't have the but sophisticated like – ability to or maybe even just like because there were other movies going on at the same time it would be interesting to watch more like and see if they if they all kind of have that same feeling because it felt sort of fast paced and we would like go to another scene and feel like be It would all sort of be kind of abrupt.
00:31:56
Speaker
Yeah. There were times where i was like, I had to pause and almost like reorient myself. um Like there were a couple times too. I don't know if you had this issue could just be me and my hearing.
00:32:08
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I also had like no idea what anybody's name was for like a large majority of the movie. Yeah. Okay, so it's not just me. Okay. I did have some trouble. i had to I found the script of it to like figure out right like what was going on. like i could figure out that the I knew that the mummy was the mummy.
00:32:28
Speaker
i could figure out that the younger guy was the son of the older guy. took me a couple of minutes to realize that the older guy was the archaeologist who left in the beginning scene.
00:32:42
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Yeah, I didn't fully get all that. It took me a while. I really had to like pause. And I don't know if that was like the pace of the speaking or like the cadence of the speaking because it is definitely a little bit more like transatlantic than how we currently speak. So the inflections are a little bit different and some of the sounds are a little bit different. And even just like the quality of the audio being that it is earlier is a little bit not quite as clear.
00:33:11
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But yeah, there were points where I was like, okay, I know, is this the museum or is this their house? but Why is she knocking on the, oh, okay, she must be the museum because she came here. Like, I almost had to explain it in my mind.
00:33:22
Speaker
But I wonder if that's less, I think it's less the movie and more me. Yeah. you Do you know what I mean? I think being 2025 observer, I'm not used to the particular conventions or the particular pacing of a movie from the 1930s.
00:33:41
Speaker
Although I think I could get used to it if we watch a couple more because it was fantastic. I really did enjoy it. But yeah, I was like, what? Who are you? What's up? Yeah. And there was a doctor. i kept forgetting who the doctor was and what the doctor's name was.
00:33:56
Speaker
Yeah, i I do feel like to some extent, like some stuff I just kind of let wash over me. I'm like, yeah, didn't think too much about it. I was like focusing on what I was interested in, which was like what Helen was up to.
00:34:10
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yeah
00:34:13
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ah What Ivo Tep was doing. But yeah, in terms of like, I didn't even think about like what if he was in the museum the whole time. I was just... like hope wherever wherever he is that's where she went um but yeah that's it is i think it definitely is sort of you have to get like your sea legs of like yes being like i'm watching kind of like like watching shakespeare you know like it takes oh yes a little while before you're like in it and be like okay i yes i speak understand this language oh yeah yeah definitely
00:34:50
Speaker
Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I thought it was a fun watch. I thought it was interesting to see ah less... and don't want to say less dynamic because I don't necessarily think that's correct.
00:35:01
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um But maybe a less in-your-face version of a creature feature. Because i when I think creature, i think like horror. I think scary. I think, like you know, gonna keep me up at night. And I think that's because of...
00:35:18
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again, us being in like 2025. And I think that's a lot of what we get ah today. But this was much more subtle, which I really enjoyed. I feel like I could watch a bunch of them if they're like this.
00:35:29
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I mean, I agree in that. i i by the Or as we went along, I was like, does this even count as a creature feature? Like, have I been using that term correctly? Because I was like, this is... I mean, the way he...
00:35:43
Speaker
he is not you know he's not that scary he's sort of chilling in like a yes just the way he's moving around but like even that scene where he sort of sort of revealed to be the mummy who walked out all that time ago um where they're just in i think the wimple's house oh yes in like the sitting room Yeah.
00:36:07
Speaker
and i And they they just start, they're like basically talking about it. Yeah. They're like, okay, you're the mummy. And he's like, yeah. And if you know that, then you know you can't keep that from me. I'm going to kill you.
00:36:19
Speaker
And I'm like, we're just sitting here talking about it? Yeah. It took like no time at all for them to be like, all we're all the same page here, which I was like, wow. And I feel like to an extent, like you said, less dynamic.
00:36:33
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In a way, yeah. like like but didn't There wasn't like a big reveal for them. No, no. They were just
Supernatural Acceptance in The Mummy
00:36:40
Speaker
like, okay, you're him. Yeah, they weren't even like afraid. They were just like, you're the mummy. Got it.
00:36:46
Speaker
Yeah, like, okay. Or even how- Well, we're not going to give you the scroll. And he's like, well, yeah you probably should because I'm going to kill you. I'm like, okay. Oh, all right. Yeah, fair. And then, well, there but it was funny that like later, like Frank was like, cause as like maybe the younger one was kind of like, if, if we believe that like, he still didn't take it seriously.
00:37:08
Speaker
Yeah. um Affair. Right. And so maybe that kind of added like a ah good foil to how ah mundane they were about this fact that the reanimated mummy was just like that guy that they knew.
00:37:24
Speaker
um so he like it makes it made sense that frank was like okay well if like really we want to like we're really gonna believe that yeah like um i think that was after his father died because he's kind of saying like you know it was just a heart attack like it wasn't right that doesn't mean it was the mummy So I don't know. They were kind of some interesting... It was interesting to see like certain characters be on board and like others more skeptical, which I feel like it needed that because it was so subtle.
00:37:56
Speaker
Yes. Yeah, it was kind of strange the way that they... still don't really understand how they figured out that he was the mummy. I just know that one of them was like, you're the mummy. And he was like, yeah, I'm the mummy. And you're like, oh.
00:38:10
Speaker
Well, I think... I kind of, I don't know, but I think they just kind of put it together. And and so tell me, okay, there are two old men. Yes.
00:38:21
Speaker
One dies, one does not. Who's the one who does not? Was du was he in the flashback? No. Is he also the doctor who was helping Helen later? Yes. who she's like i hate him yes yes confusing okay because i thought there was just like a medical doctor i didn't realize he was part of the same thing but i guess that makes sense i think he like was maybe friends with them like i he i don't think was involved with the original mummy part and then mean there were two two older men there so it could have been both of them maybe it would make sense
00:38:58
Speaker
It's like in the, maybe we should hold on. Let me just look at the script. Cause here we are. It's just like real genius, which by the way, meant to bring this up last time, but I, I was pulling up real genius for,
00:39:13
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can't remember why um to get a screenshot of valcomer or something for the visuals yeah and i like saw the scene with the i think sherry in the beginning and i said in the podcast that like she had this huge perm and she did not i think i just like invented this for her confuse myself envisioned the perm um yeah But they did look alike. Sherry and... Totally. was like, I couldn't have given one of them... Sherry and Shelly? I don't know. Their names were similar. yeah Okay.
00:39:50
Speaker
So, might have been helpful, honestly. Maybe one did need a burr.
00:39:57
Speaker
Oh, this is cute. Okay, so this is like the proper... this is like the script. Ooh! Fun! From the nineteen thirty s It says, Imhotep, the mummy, written for Karloff. It's kind of fun.
00:40:08
Speaker
Oh, nice. Okay. Sir Joseph Wemple, director of the British Museum archae Archaeological Expedition. That's Frank's dad. A typical practical scholar. Norton, an English youth, an assistant.
00:40:22
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To the expedition, Dr. Miller, a
00:40:27
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Viennese expert in the occult, an elderly man whose main job is to state the occult promises of the story convincingly. That's funny how they say it. They're not talking about in the world of the movie, but just his role in the storytelling.
00:40:43
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um It makes the audience believe them. there you go van sloan is the ideal man for the part that's so cute the way the smart that is cute okay all right so that's dr miller okay so he definitely was the doctor at the end i just did not put that together was he the doctor in the beginning too
00:41:03
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Yes. Okay. I think that makes a lot more sense. That does make a lot more sense. So they have they are they have been with us the whole time. And it makes sense that like, even in that flashback, Elder Wimple is the more skeptical one.
00:41:23
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Yes. and ah And he's just like, we're here to look at the stuff. Don't really care what you think the stuff is going to do. And Muller even then is like, you really shouldn't open that. You really shouldn't do that.
00:41:38
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um And trying to push them not to ah mess with what they, ah you know, awaken the curse of the mummy. um And so later...
00:41:52
Speaker
I think he is the driving force of – that makes sense, i really, because he believes the whole time why he is like, oh, you are the mummy. I knew this was going to happen.
00:42:02
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I knew that they did this. yeah So that makes sense why it's so casual for him. Yeah, that makes way more sense, especially as the because he's the person to who finds the guy who's laughing and going crazy right after the mummy like disappears.
00:42:17
Speaker
Let me look. Because if he is it's hard to keep track of all these white men walking. I know. I know. Okay, let's see here. but I do remember them telling the story to Frank about the laughing man.
00:42:34
Speaker
Yes, they tell a story about the laughing man, how he like went to asylum, he like died. But later on, we also find out that the story they tell other people is that the mummy was stolen.
00:42:45
Speaker
Which... if oh yeah okay okay he was okay no well oh hold on sorry i was saying oh yeah like they do say that i'm not there but okay okay so i was gonna say if he if the doctor guy is the guy who goes and finds the guy laughing it was wemple oh it was wemple who found him he said what's the matter man for god's sake what is it and norton says he's gone out for a little walk ha ha ha Okay, so the was the other was the doctor the one who left then? Because one
Motivations and Choices of The Mummy
00:43:20
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guy leaves, one guy stays. and Yeah, there's I guess he must have left.
00:43:24
Speaker
Okay, so I could totally get, though, the doctor guy being like, everyone's saying that it was stolen, but there's no way it was stolen. This guy went crazy saying that he walked out of there. Like, what if he actually walked out of there? Like, that i could I could see him kind of being like,
00:43:40
Speaker
I buy that a little bit more than someone stealing it. And look, here you are. You're the actual mummy. Yeah. Well, I mean, i think still he could have like put that all together for himself because he may have seen the assistant Norton later if they were all involved together because that he was in, I think, some sort of institution for a while and then later died.
00:44:04
Speaker
and And he's, I think when they're telling that story of those events, One of them says he was laughing even when he died or whatever. Yeah. um So maybe.
00:44:16
Speaker
Poor man. Muller yeah was like, had always been thinking that was what happened. And maybe Wimple was like, obviously it was just one. Right. Yeah, could be.
00:44:29
Speaker
I buy that, that I buy. And that makes way more sense that the doctor was there because I did not catch that. Yeah. I did not catch that. Yeah. I didn't realize any of those people were the same people.
00:44:41
Speaker
Maybe we need to watch it again. It's okay. We're figuring out now. Yes. Rewatching it in my head. Well, and that would be kind of interesting now to look at it from the perspective of the mummy.
00:44:56
Speaker
being like okay i saw this young guy maybe i heard ah two other men talking and then him being you know later later along the lines 10 years later realizing okay these were kind of the same guys like how am i going to trick them yeah that he went back to the same people i mean i guess part part of that is just because they are the archaeologists for the British Museum and this is what they do is go in unearth things from other civilizations.
00:45:28
Speaker
um but But yeah, it's like they have a history, all three of them. That's kind of cool to think about. Yes. To be fair, i feel like... And they all... They all stared at that guy's face for a really long time, like as a mummy.
00:45:43
Speaker
And I feel like maybe this is just the 10-year jump, but the the moment... that the mummy walks in as Ardeth Bay in 1932, you're like, that's the mummy.
00:45:56
Speaker
That's the mummy. You're like, you know. so I'm like, how did these, how did he last so long without them going like, h you look vaguely familiar. Yeah. I don't kind of know who you, you're sure your name doesn't start with an I and end with the motet.
00:46:11
Speaker
Especially ah Muller, who from the jump, you know, is like believes in all of that yeah that he would come back and stuff yeah and may and probably has his suspicions that he has right yeah so but i mean i yeah i guess he of everybody he does come back he gets there eventually yeah wait well whoa whoa whoa what does frank no wait hang on impotep
Character Interactions and Storytelling Techniques
00:46:40
Speaker
doesn't go to those two the older guys does he he goes to frank
00:46:45
Speaker
Oh, that's true. When Frank is there on the expedition. Yes. So I guess that is maybe more like he has not really revealed himself to Mueller and maybe Elder Wimple. It's younger Wimple.
00:47:01
Speaker
Coinkydink. Which, by the way, I loved their just like open shirts. Yeah.
00:47:10
Speaker
scrapping young men yeah that is kind of funny yeah even thinking about yeah what is the depiction there was a very romantic like yes uh yeah like the visuals of them on their expedition yes felt like a a romanticization of of what that might look like which obviously but oh my i felt yeah yeah Yeah, well, and it's interesting to think about, like, what what is, like, a handsome man back in the 1930s and what is a handsome man in the 1990s?
00:47:49
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I felt he was super cute. What's his name? ah Frank? Yeah, the actor. Let's see. Oh, no, yeah. They were both adorable. David Manners.
00:48:01
Speaker
There you Oh, he was in Dracula, too. We also have to watch Dracula. The before. Wait, know was it 1932? Let's look. Oh, this was 1932, yes. Okay, Dracula was 1931. There you go, year before. Wow. I was looking through Karloff's IMDb, and there was just so many.
00:48:25
Speaker
Yeah. Like, they made relyps so many movies. I really thought he died and that scene. Me too. I was surprised to see it back. I guess, was it because he grabbed the... He touched the thing at the last time. Touched it.
00:48:40
Speaker
That saved him. i yeah I agree, though. I really thought he died. like give back I know. And for her for Helen to then just like walk him, was like, gut-wrenching.
00:48:53
Speaker
h How did the movie actually end? i just remember... Oh, was it just us looking at his hand? yeah it did no very abrupt I was like oh we're done okay um and I wonder if that too is maybe just like we're used to certain conventions um although it kind of reminded me of real genius because I felt that was also abrupt yeah I did too I did too I was like okay we have resolved the main action and goodbye and therefore we are done yeah no wrap-up scene nothing else Was it just his bones?
00:49:25
Speaker
Did we do anything after he went to bones? don't think so. No. Yeah. We kind of just end, I think, on her face, like being like, and then it's over.
00:49:36
Speaker
Fair enough. Also, that was interesting. Like, it's sort of, in a way, it's sort of the princess who saves them. Yeah. Because he is appealing to Isis.
00:49:49
Speaker
Oh, true, true. Yeah, she's the one who's praying and saying, yeah, save me, please. And then Isis is the one who's like, meh. Yeah. So that's kind of an interesting twist. I really like that we had more from that character. Yeah.
00:50:06
Speaker
yeah Of the woman in the story. Yes. That he's all about. Because in the in the remake, she was kind of an afterthought. Yeah.
00:50:17
Speaker
ah Did she? She didn't even speak, did she? I don't think so. Yeah, no, I like that. I also, one of the things I thought was very interesting was in that last scene when she's talking about, you know, not wanting to die again, she also talks about how she's, she's Anxanaman, but she's also Helen.
00:50:36
Speaker
Yeah. Which i thought was really interesting. Yeah. And actually now that you say that, is she still in her? yeah Oh, good question.
00:50:48
Speaker
the Isis lifts the symbol of life, I believe. And then, yeah, and then Ox, well, Helen slash Oxidamon like grabs her hand, right?
00:51:04
Speaker
Maybe? I don't remember. i just remember her lifting the statue moving. Yeah, I actually have it open in another tab from last time we discuss we talked, so let me just see.
00:51:16
Speaker
Okay, no, she just lifts the thing and that makes him turn to dust again. Okay. And then Helen is lying there. oh Muller says, call her She has dragged her back to ancient Egypt.
00:51:33
Speaker
Her love for you may reach her. Oh, Frank. Frank. Oh, okay. Frank, yeah. Frank trying to bring Helen back. Yeah. Intrigue.
00:51:44
Speaker
So Helen and Helen. And that's he says, come back. Yeah. And this the scroll is burning. And Imhotep's skeleton is there. end. The end.
00:51:56
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. That's interesting. Yeah. does that mean it's called her back to ancient my kid ancient edith wonder if almost like anksanaman is you know anksanaman's maybe quote-unquote dying like imhotep soul has now died but helen's going with her so saying like call her back would be like bring the part that's helen back into her body question mark
00:52:28
Speaker
Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Although I do like the idea of like Aung San Amon and Helen just sharing in the same body. Yeah, just being kind of like, well, and also like if there is a kinship between their souls or if Helen is a reincarnated version. Yeah.
00:52:46
Speaker
of her and so in that way is already her
Impact of Classic Films on Modern Media
00:52:50
Speaker
hu she is also half Egyptian yeah um maybe Helen slash Oxenovid would be able to more consciously re-experience mortal life hu as yes themselves I don't know no um interesting yes and the scroll gets burned so no one can bring anyone else back to life Yeah.
00:53:17
Speaker
I do also wonder, now that I'm just thinking about it, what did Imhotep do in those 10 years? Because when they find the princess, when they find Aung San Amon, and they you know bring all of her stuff back to the Cairo Museum under the British Museum, they say to him at one point that the whole exhibit was only made possible because of his lofty donation.
00:53:42
Speaker
so Seemingly, he had all this money to throw at them excavating this and bringing it to the museum and putting it, like, beautifully in order.
00:53:53
Speaker
So what did he do in 10 years to make all that money? Was he just, like, showing people around to, like, all the burial sites? He was like, my best friend is buried here. That's why Algon was buried there. Yeah.
00:54:06
Speaker
like That's kind weird to think, but what else would he have? wonder too if like maybe it was i if he provided them with things to show like because he knew where they where to find them.
00:54:21
Speaker
Yes. I mean, that would make sense. and Maybe he was like an art or an antiquities dealer and he like just sold the stuff. Maybe. That's also interesting because it's like, why would he need them at all?
00:54:36
Speaker
Oh, he knew where it was? Yeah, to unearth her tomb. Or did he need that time to find it? I mean, I'm sure the area looks different than it did. That's a great question.
00:54:48
Speaker
But once he did find it, why did he need them? Just for like manpower maybe? Yeah, I mean, but it seems he could have probably hired the same people they hired it because it's not like they were in there doing it.
00:55:01
Speaker
Was this all completely unnecessary? Could he have just done it himself? Did he make this harder for himself? Could he have done this and brought Anxanaman back to life and not involve the Brits?
00:55:15
Speaker
He needed like another two years to think this plan through. He rushed it. He rushed it. Yeah. Yeah, because it does seem like why would he... Need them at all. Unless, no.
00:55:27
Speaker
I was going to say, unless he unless they were the ones who had the scroll, but I think he was the one who, I think he stole the scroll when he left, originally.
00:55:38
Speaker
Oh, that's a good said that they hadn't seen the scroll. Because wasn't it in, was it with her in the museum later? Like her actual remains? Was it with those?
00:55:51
Speaker
I think he brought it with him. and To the museum and they found it. Yeah. And like prayed over it. Yeah. And then they found it. and that was probably part of why they were like, oh, that's him. That's the mummy.
00:56:03
Speaker
Why Mueller was like. Because they found the scroll and they're like, oh yeah I see. Oh, and he did try and say he got it from a dealer, but they were like, we're not buying it. Yes, yes, yes.
00:56:17
Speaker
I am curious, because we talked you we watched The Mummy in 1999 about like how the lore kind of came out of the Tutankhamen expedition and all those people dying.
00:56:30
Speaker
And I'm wondering, did the British people like... quote unquote like purchase land and then dig on it or like how did like did they have like a certain amount of rights to it that like he could not because why would he need them like if he could just do it wait he did say something in the movie about this now that you're saying that they there was something he said something in the movie along the lines of he he was not allowed to dig for it only the British were allowed you're right
00:57:07
Speaker
because yeah oh oh my gosh okay yes now don't know where all coming together that's gonna be but it was towards the beginning it was while they were still out when he first comes there yeah okay well i guess that answers our question regardless he did say that that like he couldn't do it because he was from egypt and they could because they weren't which okay interesting um
00:57:33
Speaker
Is in an immortal state? Ooh. That's a good question. i yeah I mean, I would kind of guess yes. Because, I mean, he doesn't really seem very different after 10 years.
00:57:48
Speaker
No. ah Granted, I guess we don't really know how old he is when he when he dies um make that determination. Because I don't really feel like from the age of 25 to 35 you change very much. But, you know, who knows?
00:58:05
Speaker
All right. Final thoughts?
00:58:10
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Oh. Yes. I have one final thought. Beautiful. Bring it all back to psych. Perfect.
00:58:17
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in After the mummy escapes in that first scene um and Elder Wemble comes in and looks at the table and there is a handprint that oh and I was like that looks just like the handprint of that Sean observes from our mummy I bet it was in uh Sean and Gus of the Dead so I felt like of all like maybe not a whole lot of references to this particular version of this story but I think that could be one totally I could see that
00:58:53
Speaker
And we talked about, too, like just the the general lore of like the curse of the mummy. You know, like you you don't want to disturb the mummy's things and all of that, which I feel like is essentially the premise of what happened here. We disturbed the mummy.
00:59:08
Speaker
Then we read through the scroll that we shouldn't have read through. Mummy came back to life. Chaos ensues. Yeah. it did I mean, it had definitely different vibe, this curse and this like the repercussions than like the later one Yeah, debt definitely felt very different. Like the intensity of it felt very different.
00:59:30
Speaker
Like I think this psych episode felt a little bit more action adventure in the way that the 1999 mummy felt action adventure. um And we didn't, I mean, the mummy wasn't actually real in the psych episode. So it's not as if we were learning about him as a,
00:59:49
Speaker
ah person what What was he, a canal digger? you know We weren't learning about this but and canal digger in his life and why he came back to life. That's good point. There was really nothing in this. And i am i'm I think that's part of yes the psych episode. is like There is no credence really to the curse or anything like that. It's just yeah that there are...
01:00:12
Speaker
There's more that like we as viewers and Sean and Gus viewers and people in this culture that we're also in have these notions from the movies.
01:00:24
Speaker
And so we're kind of seeing that play out. and But yeah, we do learn about that mummy, but it's like he was just, he didn't do anything to cause it. This poor mummy disrupted in his slumber. Yeah.
01:00:39
Speaker
Yeah. well And i I do love that. One of kind of the underlying ties that we've talked about in the show is that like none of this mythical magical stuff exists.
01:00:51
Speaker
um So it's kind of fun to see them play with what they almost want to be real and what is actually real. Absolutely. Yeah. I think that's like a really sweet way to put it because it is.
01:01:04
Speaker
Like we've talked about like the show does not believe in psychics, but like in some ways you can sort of like convince yourself that like it's all real. And just like Sean and Gus convince themselves – Oh, totally. That the mummy may be doing this.
01:01:23
Speaker
Yeah. Or that there may be ghosts or whatever. I mean, and they kind of, I was going to say they sort of trade off being the skeptic, but they kind of don't. I like Sean is usually the skeptic. And it in that very Sean way of like, he already has everything figured out. So obviously there's nothing unexplained happening here. Right.
01:01:45
Speaker
Yeah. But do feel like they, in terms of like, the kind of mummy lore that they play with, they definitely reference more of the later versions, which makes sense just in its yeah placement in this history yes of this lore that is developed over time in media.
01:02:02
Speaker
um But I did feel like maybe that handprint was just like a little knock to the OG. I hope so. I think so. I can... They're so smart about the things that they place in the episodes. I can't imagine that it it wasn't intentional.
01:02:15
Speaker
Seeing that now there was a very clear handprint. Yeah. That is what he sees, which is like yeah kind of an odd thing to like pick out. You know, it's not a fingerprint.
01:02:27
Speaker
It's like literal. Yeah, a whole handprint. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I like to think that. So that will be in my canon in my brain. yeah
01:02:39
Speaker
Yeah. I think it's interesting, too, to think. I think we talked about this. I think we brought this up. I don't remember when, though. Oh, no. Maybe it was during the episode, during the Mummy episode. It's interesting to think, like, just how far back does Sean's, like, culture or media knowledge go? Yeah.
01:02:56
Speaker
Because if he did have reference to, you know, the mummy or the creature from the Black Lagoon or Nosferatu or whatever it is, you know, it adds like a deeper understanding of all of this to Sean and and the choices that are made. But if he didn't, because you could also imagine that, because who knows if Henry was that big of a, you know...
01:03:18
Speaker
Yeah, I can't really imagine him like seeking that out himself. Henry or Sean? Sean. Oh, yeah. No. I can't. I don't think so either. Yeah. Yeah, but maybe from like x being exposed to it yeah it's like really yeah it was less old to young sean than it is for us right now you like even thinking about like i have a ah great love of like classic rock from the 70s and the 80s but that's not just out of nowhere it's because my parents played it a bunch when i was a kid right so i can imagine
01:03:54
Speaker
that yeah one does not go out and be like what was happening 50 years ago and what i mean you know unless there's someone who's kind of instilling that love of that particular thing yeah well and to that point like you know your parents were teenagers then like so like that was the time and that's what they're listening to when you were a kid so like if henry you know, grew up watching movies like The Creature from the Black Lagoon, maybe not going back quite this far.
01:04:25
Speaker
Yeah. um But more 50s, 60s, that kind of B movie thing could totally be a part of Sean's childhood. Yeah. Yeah. i feel like would actually make a lot of sense for them to be a part of his childhood in that case. Yeah.
01:04:38
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And then, and I could also see, okay, so imagine he like gets started off on, you know, movies kind of like this, you know, slight touch of the horror, a slight touch of the mystery, like a little bit about the person.
01:04:53
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And then you get what's popping up in the 70s and the eighty s which is just like, bang, bang, boom, like in your face, Star Wars, like
Transition from Classic to Modern Horror
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all the, you know, all the cool stuff. I could see how Sean would get so engrossed in that media and being completely a part of the those stories, you know?
01:05:10
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Yeah. We're going to definitely have to continue our little creature feature unit. I know. I'm actually like, I never thought I would be excited about watching creature feature movies. Like they just don't, I think we've said this, they don't really like fall into our our typical watch, but yeah. And a lot of the horror stuff, but I am scared. Like, cause there's definitely, there's a canon that we can,
01:05:37
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handle handle there's more that we can probably not and also I i mean I well I was gonna say I don't even know that Sean would but like gravy oh is right there right there at least right there um thank goodness yeah but like there's some horror movies that like I just do not I cannot see any appeal I don't know for myself. No, I agree. And I don't know that they would necessarily like fit into like a psych.
01:06:10
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a v Yes. because I'm also thinking of like, okay, like if we're going to follow the creature feature, like lineage, like say starting with Nosferatu, perhaps ending with Nosferatu, but the current Nosferatu, the recent one seems so intense. I don't know that really i could ever watch it. So I don't, I don't know.
01:06:31
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It does seem. As we go, like what, what makes sense in our version of a canon that we're building based on psych alone. Yes. I think that's fair.
01:06:43
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Nosferatu... present day to 2024 Nosferatu might have to be like we watch it collect like we're together in the same room i in bright light and we start it and then if it gets bad we're just like no more take the to be approach pausing every 15 minutes for a little break we go get some coffee come we play bowling with the child yeah and then maybe we can get through it yeah but the good news is we have a long time It's true.
01:07:14
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Yes, quite a while. And some other fun things in between, like our screwball that we're watching next. Yeah, ah that will be a lot more in the wheelhouse. Yes.
01:07:24
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Which one we watching again? I don't remember. It happened one night. Oh, okay, fun. but Hold on, let me pull up the Wikipedia and give you some factoids. Oh, I love a good factoid. 1934. Oh, beautiful.
01:07:36
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So but not far from where we just have been love um but it is seen as one of the greatest films ever made oh um it is one of three films along with one flew over the cuckoo's nest which i guess we're gonna have to watch also and the silence of the lambs okay to win all five major academy awards best picture best actor best actress and best adapted screenplay okay all right we have 1993 was selected for preservation in the u.s national film registry by the library of congress oh my gosh and yeah wonderful okay it is a 1934 american pre-code romantic comedy film with elements of screwball comedy perfect um
01:08:24
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So, yeah, and a lot of familiar names. Frank Capra, director, Clark Gable. Oh, very nice. Love Clark Gable. So, ah yeah, because I was looking up screw screwball comedies because that's what we wanted to do. because Steve Franks talked about that influence on the psych, um the way they talk and stuff, the humor.
01:08:44
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um And this seemed like one of the seminal ones. So, yeah. Yeah, it should be fun. I'm so excited. That'll be good. And certainly of those three, seems like the most easy watch.
01:08:59
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Like the other two. Oh, well, those other two, Cuckoo's Nest, you mean? Yes. Yeah, those weren't screwball comedies. Definitely not. No, no, no, no. I mean just like the- The greatest ever made.
01:09:12
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Correct. Of the- Oh, or of the but Oscar stuff. Yeah, true. Those other two are very heavy. Yeah, true. Yeah. And to your point, like, it in terms of being like a screwball, come just a comedy at it all and a romantic comedy, like, that is not Oscar bait.
01:09:30
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Yeah. Oh, that'll be fun to talk about. I don't think it ever was. Yeah. Well, I guess I don't know. Maybe we'll have to look back at the list of best pictures. I don't know if, like, back then it would have been more sort of un quotee acceptable. Yeah.
01:09:44
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Yeah, because ah yeah as you were saying, like these other two movies are much darker, which tends to be what they go for it
01:09:52
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I'm very excited. Yeah. Really great. And if you'd like to watch it with us, you can join us back here next week for our final week of our Fasci6 Foundations, where we will then afterwards be jumping into into season three.
01:10:06
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