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Series spoilers abound! Welcome back Pscholars to our regularly scheduled programming! Today we’re discussing Season 3, Episode One “Ghosts” where both physical and emotional spirits come to haunt us. We’re talking daddy issues, miscommunication, carrier pigeons, pancakes, moonlighting, and more. So, if you like fearlessness, grab yourself some hot cocoa and run into the night with Kylie and Skyler on this new episode of Phsysics 101!
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Introduction to Psy6101 Podcast
00:00:20
Speaker
All right, hello everyone and welcome to the Psy6101 where we discuss everything about the world of Psyche and the antics of Sean and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara.
Deep Dive: Season 3, Episode 1 'Ghosts'
00:00:29
Speaker
I'm Skylar and this is my partner at Little Pinochet and today we'll be talking about season three, episode one of the famed TV show Psyche.
00:00:39
Speaker
Ghosts.
00:00:42
Speaker
That's the whole name, right? I didn't write it down but I'm like, I'm pretty sure it's just ghosts. think, which is is there an exclamation point? Oh, that's a good question. Let's confirm. it just go but I just Which is a pretty subtle name for them.
00:00:58
Speaker
Very. o But now that I'm thinking about it, it is very deep because ghosts, well, we have a literal ghost,
Serious Themes: Childhood Trauma
00:01:06
Speaker
sort of. We do. Yes.
00:01:09
Speaker
But maybe it's also more about like the ghosts of the past. Oh, coming back to, reap. I think you're right. Cause this is a very. Oh my gosh. Now I'm like obsessed.
00:01:24
Speaker
This a very like emotional yeah ah episode. Yeah, there's a lot of like childhood trauma coming to yeah the front. I made a note. This is the realest it's ever gotten for both of our boys.
00:01:35
Speaker
Yes, absolutely. Because obviously dealing with his parents and then Gus dealing with like everything coming to a head and in his professional life and him having to make some choices.
00:01:48
Speaker
ah Yeah. A scary episode in a very different way. Yeah. In many different ways. And what a way to start off a season. I mean, especially we've talked about how like fun loving and happy go lucky this show kind of is with a very, very serious topic to right off the bat be like hard hitting here and here and here and here and here. I mean, that's a lot. Yeah.
00:02:11
Speaker
Yeah, and it kind of makes sense because I'm thinking about, you know, season one ending with Scary Sherry, season two starting with American Duos. Like, all that's very fun. And it's kind of like the team coming together, but now it's like, okay, we're getting into the character.
00:02:26
Speaker
Yeah.
World Expansion: Shrek & Psyche
00:02:27
Speaker
Well, and think I've brought this up before, but have we discussed Shrek? Yeah. I don't know if we've discussed Shrek. Okay, hold on. But we should. It's going to make sense in a moment.
00:02:41
Speaker
Because the journals make sense now. But I love Shrek. I love the franchise. I think it's amazing. My favorite one is, of course, the second one with the fairy godmother because she's just fantastic and fabulous.
00:02:52
Speaker
But I watched a commentary all about the Shrek franchise. And one of the things that they spoke about about the franchise and about making sequels and, you know, thirds and fourths and fifths is that you need to expand the world but in a way that makes sense for the story of the character.
00:03:11
Speaker
And some sequels do that really well and some sequels don't do that very well. And Shrek 2 does a very good job of saying, well, okay, now Shrek has married this princess. What's going to happen for him? Well, he's just an ogre from a swamp. So he's going to have, you know, a couple of like and existential crises while also having to meet the family and all these things. Right.
00:03:30
Speaker
And I think Psyche has, bringing it back, I promise it makes sense. I think Psyche has now done the like inevitable thing for these characters, which is after you spent any large amount of time with a group of people, like you start seeing all of the nitty gritty, like down and dirty kind of stuff that these people are dealing with every day, which is what we're finally seeing with Sean is yes. Like he's happy go lucky. And he, you know,
00:03:58
Speaker
deals with everything through humor, but we have to eventually actually get to the heart of the issue, which what we've at least been seeing for the first two seasons is that Sean has unresolved problems with his father.
Family Dynamics: Sean and His Parents
00:04:10
Speaker
So it's got to come to a head. And that's how we, boom, right from the start, start the season. Yeah. And it's such a, the dynamic between the three of them is so interesting because it's like, Sean is team mom.
00:04:29
Speaker
and All the way. Yeah. And yet in where we are, like after the last couple of years, he and Henry are more allies. Like even though they're kind of adversaries, it's like, can I talk to you privately? Like, you know, it's all like they have more like unsaid between them and more like sort of unspoken conversations going on. And mom's just kind of like, hmm.
00:04:56
Speaker
and Just like floating in. Yeah. I mean, Sean says at one point that he hasn't spoken to her in three years. Yeah. Which is what, like, with that, okay. So we're at the beginning of season three. So I guess like roughly a year before we met Sean would be the last time you saw her or spoke her. That would be my guess.
00:05:16
Speaker
Yeah. And he did say a couple times they threw around, she's back in the country. So maybe yeah that year before we met him, she had moved away, like moved out of the country or something for something.
00:05:29
Speaker
Which would make it a bit more interesting. Fascinating to think about what she might be up to. I mean, I guess because she's sort of freelance right now, it seems. um Does she have an ah more permanent job too?
00:05:44
Speaker
what Is she with like a freelance company like that ah sends her out places? Yeah, that could be. Yeah, I don't know. because what They don't really specify.
00:05:57
Speaker
Thinking about her skill set, who would employ her and dispatch her around the globe? Well, I wonder what... I mean, could it be something like she went to a university somewhere and she was like teaching?
00:06:13
Speaker
About her experiences. Or maybe she was like a, I don't know what it would be in an actual clinic, but like someone who came in momentarily and was like, like you know, giving a professional development. Yeah. Consulting. Yeah.
00:06:27
Speaker
Could be something like that. Especially because she
Gus's Career Dilemma
00:06:29
Speaker
seems well-respected I can only imagine with, you know, experience. special capabilities that she would be desired in some way so yeah yeah who knows and also the way she said like i almost didn't do it yes like yeah i wonder why what else does she have going on yeah and i wonder if this is kind of like below her in a way but like maybe it was an excuse to come see Sean and so she was like I could see that yeah yeah like I don't need to be doing these one-off little things but I'll go back home so that'll be maybe that was kind of the i almost didn't do it ah yeah I think she doesn't need to it's like yeah maybe it's what she used to do not really her thing and right she's doing something a little bit more complex now I could see that
00:07:24
Speaker
Sidebar, I feel we must mention we're drinking hot cocoa. yeah Obvious choice. Of course, a must. Yeah, so you might hear that. Do you have marshmallows or no marshmallows? don't.
00:07:35
Speaker
I don't have marshmallows. I actually, so usually I just make like Swiss-miss with marshmallows, but I have recently brought my Swiss-miss to work and left it in my drawer for all the times that I'm like, I just need happiness in a cup. Yes.
00:07:54
Speaker
So I had, I actually think it might be like Dutch cocoa powder. yeah Very fitting for this episode. And I like threw it in a pot with some oat milk and then threw in a little bit of sugar to make it a little bit sweeter.
00:08:06
Speaker
And that is now what I have. Very nice. Do you have marshmallows? I do have marshmallows. It's the last of my... dandy's vegan marshmallows love dandy's dandy's they're so good yeah my problem is that i don't go through them fast enough and they start to like form a clump so it's the last little clump of marshmallow but they kind of are falling apart now so there you go they're really good for making um vegan rice krispies so if you ever have like a chunk left over never have made those and they're like super easy it's literally like the
00:08:40
Speaker
the dandies, and then a little bit of, i used like Earth Balance butter, like in the tub. A little bit of Earth Balance butter, and then a splash of vanilla extract. Mixy, mixy, mixy till it all goes melt.
00:08:52
Speaker
And then throw in the Rice Krispies and boom! The Rice Krispies. They were delicious. Very nice. I'll have to do that sometime. Yeah. And then I do, I have been making hot cocoa on the stove.
00:09:05
Speaker
I do like a tablespoon of cocoa powder, a tablespoon of chocolate chips, and like a Scant tablespoon of sugar. um Extra chocolatey. like it. Yes. It's really good.
00:09:17
Speaker
So, yeah. So you might hear us. Slurping. Slurping and clicking. It's funny. This is a sidebar. But I
Casual Chat: Cocoa & Podcasting
00:09:26
Speaker
listened to the, before the after show last season, I listened to the psychologists are in for Black and Tan, Crime Fashion.
00:09:35
Speaker
And Melanie Linsky was on. And she has some thing. where she like cannot stand the sound of like mouth noises.
00:09:46
Speaker
And she talks about it on the podcast because she like can't listen to podcasts. Interesting. Apologies to anybody who does that because I feel like we're always, we've always got treats going on. Hopefully you can't hear too many mouth noises.
00:09:59
Speaker
Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully. Yeah. I try and get the worst of them out in the post-production. boom But sometimes they're just they're just there.
00:10:11
Speaker
yeah I once listened to a podcast where like the guest was fully eating a whole meal like during the whole interview. I'm like, why would you do this? like this I was interested in what was being said, but I was like, this is very strange.
00:10:25
Speaker
yeah we haven't gone quite that far yet. No. But maybe as the as the seasons get more unhinged, we will get more unhinged. Who knows? I feel like when we're on the food truck episode, we're going to need a whole more short. Yeah.
00:10:41
Speaker
I did while watching this because I thought of, I remembered the Coco before I actually watched it. And then watching it, they also bring up the pancake thing. So that might be an after show Okay.
00:10:53
Speaker
bang I think you look into that. Yeah. size of whatever he said. manhole. A manhole cover. Yeah, there you go. Oh, yeah. Manhole cover.
00:11:05
Speaker
um Oh, Sean, indeed. All right. So season three. Wild, wild that we're at season three already. I literally just had to change it on the sheet me where we keep all our notes.
00:11:21
Speaker
um But I thought this was really interesting because Because we actually start the effort episode off with a previously on psych. Yeah. Which was helpful because we did take a little break.
00:11:31
Speaker
We did. And that made me wonder too, how long was the break in between season two and season three? Because I feel like we don't usually get it previously. Well, also think it's the first, I mean, we didn't, between season one and two, we didn't have like a real cliffhanger in the way that we do. Yes.
00:11:51
Speaker
Good point. So February 15, 2008, Sean and Gus of the Dead. July 18, 2008. not too long, actually. Yeah.
00:12:03
Speaker
Oh, and season two had that weird thing where they were off the air between September, like they went from September 14th to December 7th to January 11th.
00:12:15
Speaker
Yeah. Because I think, I feel like usually it's like a summer show and it's season two, it started in the summer, pittered through winter and then kind of wrapped up by the spring. And now we're back in the summer.
00:12:32
Speaker
So yeah, just like what? March, April, May, June, July, five months-ish. Yeah. It's not too bad. But yeah, I guess with, you're right, with the cliffhanger, need a little bit of the context in case you forgot.
00:12:46
Speaker
Yeah, I think also because we start like in that moment. Yes, yeah, true. We come right back. True. And that, well, after the flashback, yes, we go right into
Flashback Analysis: Sean's Rebellion
00:12:59
Speaker
that.
00:12:59
Speaker
Oh, that flashback. Which this flashback we've been talking about for forever now. Yes. The entire time we've been doing this podcast. And there were parts of this flashback that I was like, I forgot about that. Like, I forgot that they went to the station.
00:13:11
Speaker
I literally just remember the car scene. That's it. Well, it's iconic. I know. Well, I just, the entire time I was just like, the hair. hair. The wig. The wig. He's a fun goth girl.
00:13:24
Speaker
He's really. Oh my gosh. You know what is occurring to me? He is totally cosplaying Judd Nelson in The Breakfast Club. ah Shut. ah Shut up. You're so right. Which makes so much sense.
00:13:35
Speaker
oh Oh my god. I didn't. You're so right. I mean completely. Yeah. Which is extra special because we're about to watch The Breakfast Club in preparation for the next episode. Which so yeah we're just in it.
00:13:50
Speaker
We're in a deep 80s moment. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it does it does make sense. um Excuse me because that often happens with especially kids in pop culture is I feel like you end up emulating the people that you see and in media.
00:14:08
Speaker
It is interesting, though, because the kind of person he is sort of being a rebel at this point in his life. And he's about but is Is he 18? I feel like we just turned 18.
00:14:22
Speaker
um And so it's kind of I mean, maybe it's not even like intentional, like he's copying him, but like it's just in him because it's sort of childish maybe to like dress up as somebody.
00:14:36
Speaker
But sure I think we do like grab from people where we admire and kind of incorporate that into our style. Totally. And I think when you're a kid, too, you're still kind of figuring out where you fit.
00:14:49
Speaker
So, you know, you're almost like trying on different hats as you go to see which one feels the most like you. So I could see him being, right. Especially with everything that's going on in his life yeah right now.
00:15:01
Speaker
That would maybe feel a little bit more comfortable to him. Yeah. And having such a break from, he even says like, I can't, I gave up wanting to be like you a long time ago. ah So he acknowledges that he did want to be like him. Yeah.
00:15:17
Speaker
Which he said that and I was like, okay, is this like, is this the whole flashback? do you know what I mean? Like, do the flashbacks happen as Henry, as Sean wants to be like Henry and then as he stops wanting to be like him, we spend less time with him and therefore we don't get the flashbacks. Oh,
00:15:36
Speaker
Yeah, because we have talked about how they go away. Yes. That's really interesting. So it's like we run out of that time. Yeah. wow that's sad but yes yeah i mean we get a lot so what happens is we see henry and his partner looking at this car they're gonna bust somebody the other partner's like what about the consequences yeah he' like and henry you don't want to do consequences or whatever yeah his partner is really like are you sure
00:16:14
Speaker
um he's trying to save him Yeah, because there's no saving. Yeah. And I mean, if they're partners, like he probably knows a lot about the problems he's had with Sean, the marriage.
00:16:27
Speaker
who Speaking of the marriage, I must say the conversation, because I know we've referenced it and we watched little bits of like the conversation between Maddie and Sean, but we didn't, we kind of left it to now.
00:16:38
Speaker
And that really answered some of our questions in terms of when things happened. Yes, yes. i I wrote this thing down. I was like, wow, I feel like so much clarity. Yeah, but we'll get into that. But anyway, yeah um yeah. So this guy probably knows, you know, a lot that things are already precarious. And he's like, are you sure you want to do this?
00:16:57
Speaker
But Henry does. Yep, we get the flashlight. Yeah, the ominous, you know, scary, spooky, what's going to happen music. Yeah, because we really don't know who it is either at this point. No, yeah, ah totally.
00:17:09
Speaker
Correct. And then we the flashlight into the car. And there it is James Roday Rodriguez in a wig.
00:17:20
Speaker
With a yeah really stellar goth girl. She's awesome. She looks familiar too. I was like, where do I know her from? But I didn't do any research. um But she looked familiar. And, you know, you gets them out of the car. They stole this girl's neighbor's car.
00:17:36
Speaker
and long story short, Sean ends up getting arrested. And Henry's like, what am I going to tell your mother? I don't know, I think you can get hold of her new number. and I was like, oof.
00:17:48
Speaker
I was like, slapped him right across the face. was like, oh my goodness gracious. And then I totally forgot that we see little Lassie. Oh my god. Little mustachioed Lassie. was like, oh
First Encounter: Sean & Lassie
00:18:00
Speaker
my goodness. Yeah, it's so funny. And it would kind of be like Sean and Lassie's meet cute, which I love gimmicks like that in shows where you like find out that the characters cross paths way earlier.
00:18:09
Speaker
yeah But we really don't get to because Lassie's so bumbling that he's like, I'll just do it myself. Because he's trying to get the rookie to book Sean. Yes.
00:18:21
Speaker
And I love that Sean is like... He's like laughing at Lassie. Like this guy just can't even get his cuff. Yeah. From the start. Like this is always going to be like... man, so cute. And it's so fascinating to think about like Henry and Lassie having crossed paths on the course. And like, what must Lassie have thought of him?
00:18:40
Speaker
Yeah. Which... Knowing that, I mean, maybe it was so early in Lassie's career. We don't really know when Henry retired, like how soon after this event that Henry retired.
00:18:52
Speaker
Yes. um But like, like when Sean came into the station in the pilot, was he thinking of Henry? Like that old detective who was like, you know, presumably a good detective.
00:19:06
Speaker
okay An admirable i mean one for Lassie maybe that time. Yeah. He might have been like that old detective's kid. Like, whoa, what the heck? Yeah, I guess how how much did they actually know of each other?
00:19:20
Speaker
Yeah. At the time. Because it could have been like a, i mean, I don't imagine that it was, but I think of like Buzz. Like, okay, Buzz seems to have a little bit of more of a personal relationship with Jules and Lassie.
00:19:33
Speaker
Or it could have just been like he was in a totally different department. And therefore, like maybe he was a traffic cop. Like, we don't know. That's true. Yeah. No one just like didn't get to see them.
00:19:45
Speaker
Yeah. And they may not have overlapped for long whereas like with Buzz we see them you know they've got a few years together. Yeah. yeah They almost kind of turn into like mentors.
00:19:57
Speaker
Yeah. For Buzz. Yeah. But so that that's our our flashback and essentially sets up that this whole episode is going to be about the familial relationships and misconceptions that have been long ingrained in Sean regarding what happened.
00:20:19
Speaker
And then, yeah, like Kylie said, we jumped right into it with Sean upstairs in his childhood bedroom on the phone with Gus trying to be like, what
Friendship Dynamics: Sean & Gus
00:20:28
Speaker
the heck is happening? Save me. Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:31
Speaker
And it's a really fun moment because they're like, well, I was going to say they're both in crisis, but Gus is not yet. He's about Not quite yet. Yeah. He sort of is because he knows he has to meet this guy, but he doesn't really know why.
00:20:44
Speaker
Yeah, I thought the whole thing was really funny because I feel like that's what you what you do when you're in distress. Like when you're in such distress like that, you're like I just need to talk to someone. Who am I going to talk to? Please, someone help me. Obviously my best buddy in the whole wide world. Yes, of course. And Gus too. Like Gus, you know, experienced this with Sean to some degree. Yeah, true. He knew that they were getting divorced. I'm sure there were many a tears, many a venting session.
00:21:09
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. yeah And Gus is very supportive For the start. And then he's kind of like, I feel like gives Sean some tough love because he's like, oh why are you hiding in your room? Yeah. Like, i I don't have patience for what you're doing right now.
00:21:26
Speaker
Yes. yeah Like, he's sympathetic. He's like, go downstairs. Yes. Get to where you're supposed to be. Yeah. And part of Sean's issue is just how nice Henry's being, I guess,
00:21:41
Speaker
like yes buttering her up a little bit yeah yeah um and and it does feel to sean like probably like twilight's own is he's like apparently it's 1988 in my house and no one decided to tell me which is funny he's so mad about that and it's like he's been inaccessible and also he has no patience for henry and the fact that henry kept trying and failing yeah because he was yeah like really stumbling over that yes well and Sean at one point Henry was I didn't write it down but Henry was like I tried to tell you and Sean was like telling me is saying Sean your mother's coming over you well you know he's trying to be a little bit more like well and it's like tactful and Henry really wanted to like work through their issues correct I was i let me try to pull up the transcript I had it open earlier but because I wanted to see what exactly Henry said
00:22:35
Speaker
He says, I wanted to clear the air on a few things before she got here.
Unresolved Issues: Sean & Henry
00:22:41
Speaker
So it was like, he didn't want to just say your mom's coming. He wanted to like work through these misconceptions Sean has about the entire relationship.
00:22:50
Speaker
Right. All the events of his life, basically. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. what There was a ah part in here where they're like yelling at each other.
00:23:02
Speaker
ah Maybe I didn't write it down, but they're yelling at each other. And and Henry's like, i'm I'm sorry that you've hated me for your entire life. Get over it. Yeah.
00:23:14
Speaker
I'm sorry that I ruined your childhood. I'm sorry that I ruined your life. Get over it. Which, yeah, like... And I guess really that was the conversation he wanted to have, but in a more gentle manner, probably, which is why it was harder to do.
00:23:28
Speaker
Correct. Correct. And right. To his credit, he tried. tried a decent amount of times, but didn't actually get around to it.
00:23:39
Speaker
Yeah. And now he's, he's being really nice to Maddie and to us. at least at the end of watching the episode, we kind of understand a little bit more why was being so nice to Maddie. But Sean really does not, does not get it, is actually really pissed about it.
00:24:00
Speaker
Because in his mind, of course, Henry is this like crotchety old mean guy who is never nice to him, him being Sean. So why should he be nice to his mom who he walked out on and clearly doesn't care about?
00:24:13
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. like he and i mean I feel like he sees it as him hurting her feelings because he left her and now he wants to be nice. Well, that's so interesting because, yeah, yeah, I totally think that's how he sees it.
00:24:27
Speaker
But in all the scenes that we see with Maddie and Henry, she doesn't come off perturbed at all. No. And we've said before, like, she is clinical. Like, she is cool as a cucumber.
00:24:41
Speaker
i mean, she has like a A line that's really funny when he when Henry says something. He calls her hun. Yes. And she's like, did you just call me honey?
00:24:53
Speaker
Yeah. Like, she's just like, ha. Like, she's like amused by them. Even like as the episode goes on and like she observes like how much tension there is between Henry and Sean.
00:25:07
Speaker
She's not forcing him, like, Sean to get into it or anything. She's just like, fair enough, you don't want to talk about him. Which, it is kind of funny. i mean, maybe she's just, like, so content in her own life that she really doesn't, it doesn't bother her. And, like, they do share a child, and so they'll always be connected. And so she's like, and maybe she thinks they're on better terms than they are because Henry is he's nice and he's fun together yeah and stuff.
00:25:39
Speaker
But like he is that way because he still carries a torch for her. Right.
00:25:46
Speaker
Yeah. I wonder, yeah. I i wonder what their dynamic Henry and Maddie is like on their own. Because I can imagine, and I'm i'm a little conflicted with with this thought just because it's kind of dependent upon the timeline, but um I can imagine, although Henry still carries a torch for her, also being like a little bit resentful of the fact that like she just left and now he's been the one who's had to like follow through with Sean and take care of Sean and deal with all his crazy antics while, you know, she's off doing whatever. But again, that depends on the timeline because if they got divorced when he was
00:26:27
Speaker
presumably 18 that's true then maybe sean wasn't actually around maybe he was off at college or doing you know whatever crazy new job he had at any point in time so i wonder like on the surface he seems very happy that maddie's there and maybe that's because he's like hopeful that something will you know re-spark i suppose but i wonder like what he's also dealing with internally we' regarding all this Yeah, I mean, I get the feeling from him that she's sort of like his kryptonite. Like, maybe he can't see her like as any sort of villain in his own life. Like, not that, I mean, that's like an extreme term. But so the thing we've talked about in the past, like he probably would never want to affect the way Sean sees her too. So like that probably is why like he wouldn't have
00:27:22
Speaker
tried to explain to sean what really happened also they don't talk so maybe he would never would have even known what sean thought um yeah yeah ah but i do wonder if it's even like if he's even capable of holding it against her because he's he's like a puppy dog whenever she's around he is Yeah, you can tell he definitely stole still really loves her.
00:27:51
Speaker
Poor guy. We do also get the line um in there. I think it might have been when they were talking. Sean or Henry says that there's been 15 years of hard feelings, which I was like, okay. sean yeah Is that how long they've been divorced for? 15 years?
00:28:09
Speaker
oh Because if that's the case, that would put it around... ah Yeah, this is the question again.
00:28:20
Speaker
Not this again. i know. We got an definitive answer at some point, but I don't remember where replay it. Well, she says at the end, let's see. Not at the end, but like later on. She says you were in your senior year.
00:28:33
Speaker
they split up when he was a senior. Okay, so 17 or 18. Yeah. yeah Do you think he was still in high school when, like in the flashback?
00:28:46
Speaker
Hmm. Or was it like just after? Well, I mean, the fact that... Well, I don't know. The fact that they stole a neighbor's car makes me think they're like still in high school.
00:29:00
Speaker
o Because, of course, you can stay at home and go to college, of course. But I feel like in these TV shows, it's always like a device sending people away o be able to do stuff. Did even to college?
00:29:11
Speaker
I kind of feel like he didn't. That's also a great question. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like probably not. I feel like that would be too constraining for him. Yeah. I feel like he didn't even like...
00:29:23
Speaker
I don't know, stowed away on a ship or something. I could see him like starting college going like, oh, because he is really smart. It's not like he couldn't have done it. I think maybe he started and then was there for like a month and went, this is lame and left and got, yeah, a job in the circus or something.
00:29:40
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I could only really see him going if it seemed like the only way he could get away from Henry. But yes, he's so resourceful. I don't know that he would even think that was the only way like Yeah.
00:29:54
Speaker
And I could also imagine, too, that it would be getting physically in Sean's mind it would be getting physically away from Henry. but Henry would still technically have, quote unquote, control because I'm sure he would be helping contribute to paying for college. So.
00:30:10
Speaker
Henry would still metaphorically. Yeah, I really don't. I feel like I guess my personal headcanon would be that Sean didn't go to college at all. yeah But maybe just went and started his odd jobs.
00:30:25
Speaker
I mean, I feel like that tracks, especially because all of the odd jobs that we've seen him do are odd jobs. Like they're not, they're nothing that requires like expertise.
00:30:37
Speaker
Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Maybe we'll get more even in the next episode, but i'm also thinking like the quarter lack episode Yes. What's their name? Acapella episode.
00:30:52
Speaker
Yeah. The acapella episode. Blackapella. Blackapella. um When maybe because we'll be talking about Gus's college experience. yeah Maybe we will.
00:31:04
Speaker
Maybe they'll touch on Sean. What Sean was doing in those years. And I don't know if we like if we heard much about it in um the Mira episode either.
00:31:17
Speaker
Not that I recall. i think the acapella episode is probably our best bet. Okay. To be determined. Yes. But how did we get on this topic?
00:31:29
Speaker
Oh, 15 years. 15 years.
Gus's Work Crisis
00:31:32
Speaker
So we've got Sean dealing with all of this family drama, family unresolved issues. So that's his conundrum of the episode.
00:31:42
Speaker
Then we also have Gus dealing with very adult issues as well, but in a different portion of his life. He's dealing with work issues. And it's the first time that we really... see gus at work for an extended period of time other than just like sitting in his office talking about a made-up cat ah so we get walking through the office we also get one of my favorite scenes of probably the series so far which is them pulling each other funny don't you go boneless on me sean i use that all the time use that phrase all the time it's so funny that gus is like
00:32:18
Speaker
really wants to get him out of there and is trying to save face at work. And yet they have this total public. Yeah. so absurd meltdown together it's so i mean hysterical hysterical so the the big thing with gus is that his immediate boss let me get it frank jim ogletree has ah found out about the fact that gus has also been working with sean in the psychic detective agency yes because the mummy case was in the paper
00:32:55
Speaker
I mean, big case, huge breakthrough. also, I have to say, i never, ever perceived what his name was. It always has just like floated over me. And I had captions on and was also like making sure I was writing down the quotes. Right. And then like Frank Jim. Oh yeah. It makes no sense. Frank Jim, just as one word. Yeah.
00:33:18
Speaker
Oh, it's one word? It's one word. Frank Jim Ogletree. i thought Jim was like his middle name. no Frank Jim. Frank Jim.
00:33:27
Speaker
And... um
00:33:32
Speaker
um to Just to rewind just a little bit, sean or Gus introduces this character while on the phone with Sean when Sean's hiding in his room and um explains that he has to go have a meeting with Frank Jim Ogletree.
00:33:45
Speaker
And Sean says, Frank Jim Ogletree, is that a person or a hippopotamus? Which I love.
00:33:55
Speaker
hey I can't get for the fact that that's one name, Frank Jim. See, like watching the episode, I never like totally got like the absurdity of that name yeah but having read it down i was like uh wow french like jim
00:34:14
Speaker
Sorry.
00:34:16
Speaker
I mean, it does sound like a hippopotamus name. I feel like that would be the perfect hippopotamus name. I also feel like now we need stuff hippopotami and we need to name them both. I
00:34:27
Speaker
feel like that'd be very cute. Oh my gosh. We should sell a t-shirt that has a hippopotamus. It says Frank Jamogletree on it. Yes. I think we can get away with that.
00:34:37
Speaker
i Right. I feel like that's obscure enough. Yeah. Who's going to catch that? Yeah, literally just us. And maybe then. That's probably it.
00:34:48
Speaker
And yeah, and and Frank Jim tells him that they have a exclusivity clause in their contract, essentially saying that Gus is not allowed to have a second jobs. And I love that Gus's response to this is psych isn't a job.
00:35:02
Speaker
It's more like community service, and you know, to be fair. Fair. and Yeah. I know. You guys only get paid like half the time if you're lucky. You run around eating snacks.
00:35:14
Speaker
You're hanging out with your best friend. Like, yeah. So true. But then the real ringer here is not only that he's working a second job, but he uses his time that he's supposed to be working, his actual job, to do stuff for Psych. And Ogletree pulls out receipts. He says, Monday, you have three appointments.
00:35:34
Speaker
Miss them all. Tuesday, 29th, you disappeared after lunch. Wednesday, 30th, Your entire week's worth of work gets done in one day. think we talked about that a bit before, like how Gus is so efficient.
00:35:51
Speaker
but Very. But the mentioning of the missed appointments, I feel like was the first actual like example of him actually falling down on the job.
00:36:02
Speaker
And so I thought that was interesting because i know we talked about like he kind of in terms of his – in the prestige and if this job is below him and blah blah blah and like how he does he can get his work done very efficiently um and that allows him to use that time for psych all true but it does look like he is also maybe um not completely meeting expectations yeah well it also begs the question to me as like
00:36:34
Speaker
How did he manage to get all that done in one day? If it's a whole week's worth of work or is this like week's worth of work not real? Does it not really take that much time? Do you know what i mean? Like is Gus just... Well, that's the thing is it it maybe it would take a regular or a less...
00:36:52
Speaker
skilled, sales rectitude-y. Yes. ah Yes, a less effective person, more time. Gus is so good that he doesn't need all that time. And so that allows him to like ah eat into his time, his work time.
00:37:09
Speaker
and But it's also like, you know, what even is a week's worth of work? Because like we talk a lot about his route and stuff. Is he actually like, yeah is a week's worth of work going around and like talking to people or right filling orders or ring so i so my mom works in a medical practice and when i was a kid they often had pharmaceutical sales reps come in and they would like drop off us
00:37:45
Speaker
right they would drop off like lunch And then they would give like a little presentation about the new pharmaceuticals and try and convince usually my mom, who was like the office manager for a while or the head doctor to start utilizing this new drug.
00:38:03
Speaker
So but I could also imagine like that takes a lot of time to be like, hey, I'm going to go and get this lunch and bring it for you and like blah, blah, blah, blah. But they could have also just been like, here's a couple samples. Try it out. Tell me what you think.
00:38:16
Speaker
you know like i think it's one of those things where maybe you can put more into it if you want to but you don't have to so yeah i wonder was it like three lunch appointments and they were all gonna take like three hours yeah was it like less you know i don't know uh-huh and we do see him at his desk that's true a lot like he must have some like paperwork too as an element to it um
00:38:46
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sure if they get something new, like he's got to learn about it That's true. i so You know? Yeah. I'm sure there's also like a ah scheduling component to all of it. You probably don't want to just pop in to someone's office unannounced.
00:39:02
Speaker
So maybe he's like answering emails and yeah stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I was just going to mention how in the pilot when Sean comes in, Gus is playing Solitaire or or some he's playing a video game on his computer. yeah He's got his arrows going. so And that is Sean's point of like they're paying you to play video games. So even then, before he had a side hustle going on, i guess he was efficient enough to yeah be messing around on the clock yeah and then gus it's given ah termination notice and an ultimatum he's pretty much told you can quit your job at psych or you can quit your job here and i know think about high stakes i know and gus i mean pretty quickly
00:39:51
Speaker
And understandably so this economy. Gives the termination notice back and essentially means he's going to keep his job here and you quit his job at psych, which, yeah, dagger to the heart, yeah but a good thing for the pocketbook, I suppose.
00:40:09
Speaker
Yeah, he can't afford to give up his... actual income. And we might why. Yeah. I gotta say before we move that scene though it's such a funny scene like the whole back and forth about like the carrier pigeons and like I love seeing this side of Gus where he's like trying to um like win them over and so he just keeps saying things.
Humor at Work: Gus's Boss
00:40:30
Speaker
He's the same with the the boss's boss.
00:40:32
Speaker
um Yeah. and And he just like keeps catching himself in a Like it's just classic comedy. Like, oh I raise carrier pigeons.
00:40:44
Speaker
You raise carrier pigeons. ah No, that's stupid. I raise carrier pigeons. Oh, yeah, me too. I actually like, it's just so good. I'm so glad to hear you sing that.
00:40:56
Speaker
So, ah yeah, that's just. It was very fun scene. So I wanted to mention that. um Yeah. And it's it's fun it's fun to see Gus being so ridiculous and like ridiculously funny outside of his dynamic with Sean. Because I feel like we often see like Sean amplifies Gus.
00:41:16
Speaker
Mm-hmm. But here he's still that silly, goofy, yeah, like can't keep his mouth shut. Way too many like silly comments and references. Yeah, not really on purpose. No, but just from like anxiety probably.
00:41:31
Speaker
But yeah, ridiculously funny. So then Sean appears. Oh, he's walking back to his office and he passes some people at the... Well, actually we get right after the title card, we get Sean and Maddie in the station.
00:41:47
Speaker
Okay. Okay. So we won't go to Bowman's yet. Not quite yet. And the tax situation. Yeah. yeah We find out why Maddie's here because she kind of alludes to it, but we really don't we really don't know.
00:42:01
Speaker
And she, don't even know if we really understand what her job is yet until we find out that ah Maddie does psyche vows and she's been called in to do it on a couple of cops and a detective.
00:42:14
Speaker
who we later find out, or just moments later, find out is Lassie because he has been discharging his weapon too much. So Vic is like, you need to talk to someone.
00:42:25
Speaker
And that's Sean's mom. So funny. Like Lassie is really just too much in some ways the worst caricature of like yeah it might be um but the way he walks in to her office and she's like it's come to my attention that you've discharged your weapon on the last four cases and he's like thank you she's like that was not a compliment yeah okay what and then he tries to like He tries to bring down the situation by being like, it's not like I would, I wouldn't like shoot a cat or something. Yeah, because he's like, when was that a cat show?
00:43:06
Speaker
Well, I'm just letting you I wouldn't shoot a cat unless it was approaching me hostily or, you know, whatever. I was like, stop it. You're not helping your case here.
00:43:17
Speaker
And I also love when she tells him he's going to have a psyche balance and he's like, basically says no and she's like that wasn't a question could you phrase it as one yeah could you phrase it as one nope can't do that happening yeah and I love him I love the whole like b story here with Lassie and this these different sessions that he's having with Maddie yeah it turns into like a game for him which is just hysterical because i think you can tell pretty quickly Maddie's like okay I know what you're doing like cut it out here yeah she's crafty i she's good yeah she is well Sean's her kid so it makes sense yeah yeah i guess we'll come back to
00:44:07
Speaker
yes well we'll come back to it um and then sean shows up at gus's work yes um and this so we get this moment uh well gus is just like walking down the hall and passes people he's like hey you so and so hey so and so hey sean and then he like realizes that sean is not where he's supposed to be okay not as his not his work um and sort of freaks out and Sean says, why didn't you return my calls all weekend?
00:44:35
Speaker
Which I was, because having just remembered this episode and rewatching again, I'm like, when does Sean set all this in motion? Like, when does he know the situation that Gus is in and stuff?
00:44:48
Speaker
Yes, we do find that out. Yeah, he he does go into it quite a bit. And it also, like, yeah just that line tells us it's been a couple of days since Maddie's arrival. So that was helpful for me.
00:45:01
Speaker
Well, it also means that it's been theoretically a couple days. Well, I don't know I mean, I guess the meeting could have happened in the morning, but it seems like, no, no. It's been a couple days since the meeting because Gus has not been talking to him since. So maybe the meeting happened on like Friday.
00:45:14
Speaker
yeah And he's like, you were serious? So he told Sean, I quit psych. yeah and so and And so I guess, yeah. So then Sean had a couple of days to feel out what he might be able to do about that.
00:45:26
Speaker
Yes. As Sean does. Set things in motion. And I love in this scene when Gus pretty much says to Sean, I was serious.
00:45:38
Speaker
Like, this is, this has to be this. Sean gets so upset and he says, i think one of the best, like, articulated lines of the episode, you quit this job, this job you quit.
00:45:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:54
Speaker
You're such a silly like I can't. I need to make money. we make no money from this. He goes how much money do you really need to make? I make $48,000 which that alone I was like wow.
00:46:05
Speaker
That tells you the time. make $48,000. In Santa Barbara yeah. it's like in ofvara yeah In San Barbara. And not only does he make 48, he only needs 32, which I was like, holy God, I wish.
00:46:17
Speaker
I wish. I need 32. The other 16 goes to you, which like. Yeah, that tracks. Yeah. I claimed you on my taxes, Sean. claimed you on my taxes.
00:46:29
Speaker
I really don't understand how Sean has an apartment, to be quite honest. Well, sometimes he doesn't. I guess we don't really know where he lives right now. guess, yeah. But we've seen him live in a dry cleaner's. yes Where did we say... we said we we want we wondered if he lived somewhere. feel like somewhere that we went in a case and we were like wondering if... like Or that are thinking that would make a good place for Sean to live.
00:46:56
Speaker
I don't remember. There's many. Yeah. but Even like that even a converted dry cleaners. Yeah. One would think there would be rent. Yes. How much does one have to pay? Even if it's like...
00:47:08
Speaker
let's put on the low on the low end say it's like 500 bucks a month that's like real low real low yeah 500 bucks i don't know he does make some ah money from psych i wonder i mean he does not really need a place to live in that he could stay in the office i guess that's that's a good point i don't know that he does i don't know that we've ever seen him that that's a whole nother thing they gotta pay rent at the office how much does office that's a big office it's a beautiful office yeah a big portion of gus's money might be that Yes.
00:47:39
Speaker
Considering he co-signed on the lease. I wonder if they go into any detail about the finances in their book that they write. Oh, probably. That we'll have to read at some point.
00:47:54
Speaker
Isn't it like how to be psychic detectives or something? like but oh So silly. We'll have to check that out. Yeah, so good. And as, of course, they're having this whole conversation, Sean is eating pasta from the office fridge, which I guess because Sean has never had like an actual job before, and maybe he doesn't understand the courtesy of an office fridge.
00:48:15
Speaker
Like, don't just take random stuff out of there. Yeah, and now I'm remembering like way in the future...
00:48:23
Speaker
There's, i think Gus gets a different job at a fancier place and Sean's in there constantly in the kitchen, like stealing their food. Of course. So, yeah. Because why not? Except for grabs.
00:48:35
Speaker
In Sean's mind, yes. But Sean has managed to grab apparently like the most contentious thing in the office, which is Bianca's Pappardelli, which she slaves away on all weekend.
00:48:46
Speaker
Yeah. and She grinds her own spices, Sean. Yeah, which I was like, good for this woman. Like, that sounds like fun. yeah But so, yeah, she hand makes it every weekend. And Sean's just eating it like it's nothing.
00:49:00
Speaker
And who comes down the hall? But, of course, Bianca. So he hides the popper deli in the printer. In the paper tray. What? In the paper tray? I was like, how...
00:49:13
Speaker
fit in there. was like, that was impressive. whole bowl and everything. Yeah, it was hysterical. And um Bianca says that Mr. Haversham, Haversham, Haversham, would like to speak to Gus, who is the VP of the company.
00:49:31
Speaker
and So we go to meet with Haversham. Yes. And I always, I mean, that's the name of the Elder Lady and Great Expectations by Charles Dickens.
00:49:42
Speaker
don't know if They picked it for any reason, but... You know, knowing them, wouldn't put past them. They do. really any connections, but I always think of her.
00:49:55
Speaker
ah Yeah, it could just be just to reference it. I do feel like they do that sometimes. um Not necessarily for any deeper underlying meaning. So we go we go up.
00:50:06
Speaker
Oh, so Gus is supposed to go up to meet with Haversham and Sean, of course, is like
Workplace Chaos: Sean & Gus
00:50:12
Speaker
getting all annoyed. So Gus is trying to get him out of the office. Yeah. This is when we get the pushing and the shoving and the, you know, attempted football tackle.
00:50:20
Speaker
And Sean goes boneless, where it's just essentially he puts all of his weight to Gus and Gus screams, don't you dare go boneless on me, Sean, which is amazing. And a really great tactic, not going to lie.
00:50:31
Speaker
you go boneless, no one can hold you anymore. It's amazing. Just the dead weight is really good. I did use it a couple of times so when I was a kid fighting with my sister. yeah It's like, when? 10. Are you okay?
00:50:44
Speaker
Confirm. Yes. Well, you know how. I'm fine now. And I love the way he says it as like, ah it feels like something from when they were kids. Like yeah has done this before. They've had this fight, these kinds of fights before. Like you reminded the history that they have.
00:51:02
Speaker
i just ah Yeah, there's a point where Sean is, it becomes a part of the the title sequence. Sean's lying on the ground with an arm behind him and Gus is like pulling down the hallway. Talk about iconic.
00:51:14
Speaker
Yes. It's a true psych moment. Absolutely. And, you know, Gus does eventually get upstairs to the office, but of course he's extremely disheveled. He just had a whole... was looking at this next...
00:51:30
Speaker
This next note, I have Gus all a mess. And I'm like, what am I talking about? yeah He walks in and his tie is all undone. His skew. He's like breathing heavy. And then he's like drinking from an empty glass.
00:51:45
Speaker
The whole thing, it's just like, it's preposterous, especially when you think this is the VP of the company, like his boss's boss. Like it's a big deal. And he didn't even think to straighten himself up before he walked in there. I'm like, Gus, what is going on?
00:52:00
Speaker
And, um you know, concerning, again, ah we're in the VP's office, but Haversham seems to... Yes, it seems like this is going to become a bigger ah bigger deal. we' We're thinking maybe Haversham's going to fire him. Who knows?
00:52:14
Speaker
But no, Haversham knows that Gus is a part of this psychic detectiving and actually wants to hire him because he believes that his house is haunted his wife does yes his wife does yeah he doesn't believe in all that hocus pocus but his wife thinks that it's haunted and i just love that this is the point where sean falls into the office sean's drinking an empty glass because he was using the glass to listen oh my god it's so funny and then he just has it in his hand so of course he's like my god and then
00:52:50
Speaker
As we're like leaving and talking about like Sean and Gus are talking about like, you know, what time they're going to get there and everything. Sean says to Gus, we have to solve this case so that you can keep moonlighting at Psych.
00:53:03
Speaker
Yes! That's exactly what I was going to mention when you were mentioning like references that don't necessarily have to be random. like, moonlight! So cute!
00:53:14
Speaker
you know If you had didn't, listen to our Foundations course number Highly recommend. ah yeah and We did watch the pilot of Moonlighting because obviously Sybil was her first big show um and i gotta say as soon as she came on screen i was like civil because now i feel like i know her even more yes we're friends now yeah yeah that was a really fun just like a cute little nod yes yeah and again like if you if you didn't watch the show if you knew nothing about civil shepherd like if you were catching this kind of as a one-off
00:53:54
Speaker
throwing that word in there makes sense. Like it's not, you know, anything crazy. But if you haven't, if you have seen the show before, you're like, they've never used the word moonlighting. Yeah. It makes too much sense for you to throw it in. That's a good point. And I wondered like if,
00:54:13
Speaker
of wanting it to be civil shepherd and like having moonlighting on the brain made them think of this plot for Gus. Oh, could it be. I think so. I mean, I would assume the focus was, you know, what's going on with Sean. And then they're probably like, okay, let's break what's going on with Gus.
00:54:30
Speaker
And that's like that being top of mind would have been like, well, he's moonlighting and that's going to be a problem. So let's get into that. So that's kind of fun to think about. And so little nod. Yeah.
00:54:41
Speaker
um Yeah, just a little Easter egg for those of us. Precis. Scholars who have that familiarity. Indeed. So we've decided we're going to go to Haversham's. We'll meet there at seven.
00:54:56
Speaker
We have to go because now Haversham knows Gus is fearless Guster. So we can't back down from this challenge. buddy i mean, what a ridiculous nickname. Yeah.
00:55:08
Speaker
It's so formal. I don't know. It just feels long. Like it's not really a nickname. And like, yeah, when I think of a nickname, I think of something that like you got as a kid, you know, that like something silly, like fearless guster.
00:55:25
Speaker
Kids would never give you that nickname. They'd call you the Gus Bus or something stupid. You know what mean? Bus-in, gus-in. It sounds like something that would be in old movie.
00:55:42
Speaker
Yes. yes yeah Or like a comic strip or something. yeah yeah Which I guess that makes sense for him to pull out of his butt.
00:55:55
Speaker
Things are kicking off. Yes, our big plot for the episode. But before we really get into it because of course we've got to actually give the boys time to get there, we jump back to the station where now Lassie and Maddie are sitting in their room awaiting their session to begin.
00:56:15
Speaker
And Lassie from the jump, is we already know he's not about this, but he's very, he's like almost combative. Oh, very much so. Really like mean.
00:56:25
Speaker
Yeah. And just like unhinged, like, where's the bug? You think it's that? Well, and that's a good, you know,
00:56:38
Speaker
I wonder, Maddie explains, oh, okay, pause, rewind. Maddie explains to Lassie that she has what she calls a bit of eidetic tonal memory.
00:56:51
Speaker
So she can remember everything that she's heard. And my brain went, why would he second guess that if Sean is her kid? But he doesn't know. he is That's great point. He doesn't know yet.
00:57:04
Speaker
I wonder... If that, well, and also at this point, he doesn't know that it's Sean's mom, but I wonder if down the line, like if all that clicks in any way for him where he's like, oh, I bet. Maybe there's something else going on with Sean, which mean, he already does think that yeah he is one of the major skeptics.
00:57:28
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's really true. I did not even think about it like that. Yeah, because where's the bug? I'm like, calm down, dude. It is funny for him to ask that too because it's like, why would it matter?
00:57:41
Speaker
like Why would she lie about that? Well, and like why – yeah You know, she says he can she can remember – I mean, I guess maybe if she – like ah a recording could be used against him.
00:57:54
Speaker
But they're just – I don't know. i guess that's why. I guess he just doesn't – want to be out like to exist a recording of him but she's like i don't need one i'll remember every little thing you say i mean to be fair after this behavior i wouldn't want to recording of me like that out there either so oh my gosh yeah he just realizes he's going to be totally ridiculous um oh and then he gets even more unhinged and he goes so you wouldn't be opposed to me patting you down she goes actually i'm very opposed to that so funny
00:58:30
Speaker
Like Lasseter. That's like, I do think like Matt, like the delivery there, Sybil's delivery there, it was like so good. Like, because Maddie is so sort of subdued.
00:58:43
Speaker
Yes. And she continues to be, but like, actually I'd be very close to that. Yeah, it feels a little, like a little Sean, but like. Yeah, yeah, that's true Yeah.
00:58:56
Speaker
A little, little bit of snark, but like not. too forward about it and then we get to haversham's and very spooky very spooky just to name some of the spooky things because wrote them all
Haunting Investigation: Gus's Commitment
00:59:13
Speaker
we get there and there is a gus gets there and there is a shadow in the window immediately when he pulls up the the front door is left ajar so when he pushes it it just pushes open without anyone having to open it
00:59:28
Speaker
The floors are mega creaky. So every time he takes his step, it's like... yeah
00:59:35
Speaker
and Horrible. The lights are all off. Apparently no one thought it would be smart to put the lights on. We also have the super spooky like movement going on behind Gus. So creepy.
00:59:46
Speaker
And the music swelling. So we get to this place more like... The music is so spooky. It is terrifying. It's like Scary Sherry-esque. Maybe even a little bit worse. Which... No, I shouldn't mention it right now.
01:00:01
Speaker
But he later, Sean later says he visited Alice Fundy in prison. know. For tips, which is incredible. Makes so much sense. i Yes.
01:00:13
Speaker
And tracks with his befriending murderers. Yeah, murderers, criminals. Yeah. Just generally. So the, yeah, house is very, house is definitely very spooky.
01:00:27
Speaker
um But we find out, I mean, relatively quickly that it it didn't need to be that spooky because the thing behind Gus was Sean. The lights didn't need to be off, you know.
01:00:40
Speaker
I'm thinking now, like, how clever that is of Sean to be messing with Gus. Because it's kind like... Like Columbo. You know how we talked about in the Columbo episode how he was like telling you I'm not good with details, but also showing just how good he is. And that feels like Sean telling, like he's messing with Gus very forwardly.
01:01:01
Speaker
And so Gus is not thinking about like the whole thing is Sean messing with Gus. Yeah, completely. And to Gus's... is to gus's credit i guess he's thinking like this is my boss's house how would sean know my boss like he's trying to make it make sense and we know gus is a person that doesn't make believe yes gus is very much so a believer he is um susceptible to this kind of messing who we've seen it yes before yes definitely definitely
01:01:34
Speaker
Although, gotta call him out. he He walks into that house after he saw the shadow. He keeps going after the creaky door and the creaky stairs and the movement. Like, he is really trying and embodying fearless Guster.
01:01:50
Speaker
Absolutely. lee i mean, bravery is doing things even when you're scared. Not being scared of things. You know, like Gus is being super brave. Mm-hmm. ah he Yeah, he does a great job throughout this whole episode.
01:02:03
Speaker
Yeah, which also says like how important this is to him. Because, I mean, on on the one hand, he sort of has to do it because Sean has set him up. um yeah So like in order to save face at his job, he basically has to see this through.
01:02:19
Speaker
But it I feel like it also does speak to how important it is to him to prove their value. Yeah. As psychics detectives, given the opportunity.
01:02:31
Speaker
that they now have. Yes. And I think the, the agency means a lot to the two of them. I think the fact that Sean is even stuck with this for three years.
01:02:44
Speaker
Totally. Means that he cares about it a lot. um And I think if there is an opportunity for Gus to be able, like I don't think that Gus wants to quit psych, but I think if he is told he has to, he will, just for his livelihood.
01:02:59
Speaker
But now this opportunity has presented itself where he can do both, and that he's going to try and protect. If he can. Yeah, because we do, like, he is a cog, and so like his instinct is to stay secure, which valid.
01:03:16
Speaker
Like, so he will sacrifice this thing that he loves to do. Yeah. In order to keep his livelihood. you know Familiar struggle. Indeed.
01:03:27
Speaker
And again, back to the the balancing act between Sean and Gus and and Gus giving a little bit more of himself to Sean and Sean giving a little bit more of himself to Gus. You know, Sean very would very easily would just be like, deuces.
01:03:41
Speaker
Goodbye. I'm going to do this thing I love. yeah But Gus needs a little bit more stability. So, yeah, we need a little bit of both.
01:03:50
Speaker
So, Sean pops up. right in front of us as kylie says and clearly it says i'm the one who was just being all spooky haha you're so funny and gus is like how did you get in here goes had a witch and he's wearing having some silk robe yeah or a smoking jacket or whatever yes like extinct silkworms they don't exist anymore gu this whole big thing where are your clothes in the dryer like also why why were you in the sauna he was in the sauna with his clothes on I guess I was like ah Sean you silly silly man this is when we get the pancake the size of the manhole cover but of course they have to also like set themselves in the scene right so so they have to go down and they have to meet Haversham they have to discuss what their vibrations they've been feeling and all this good stuff but Sean's clothes are in the dryer
01:04:43
Speaker
so we can't do that right we end up going and getting him been there for a long time i know because yeah for a whole dryer cycle she made him a pancake that is not ah yeah you know an inconsiderable amount of time and then went in the sauna clothes yeah he's been there for like hours Yeah, he really ah made himself at home.
01:05:08
Speaker
as As he does. As one does, yeah. And then I love they go downstairs, they meet Haversham, and Sean is still wearing the silk robe just under his clothes, but now it looks like an ascot, and Haversham is so delighted.
01:05:23
Speaker
What a kook Haversham is. Yeah. Because he's so, like, stoic. But at the same time, like, I love your ascot. Classic of Vermont.
01:05:35
Speaker
It's nice to see someone who, like, loves tradition or something like that. Yeah. So ridiculous. But, yeah yeah, he does kind of strike me as one of those, like, old money kind of people. I don't know if that actually has i don't know if that is actually how he is, but that's how he kind of holds himself. Yes.
01:05:53
Speaker
Who he wants to be. Yes. Yes. So it makes sense. He wouldn't recognize that. ask and so Yeah. Like maybe he never wears that. I don't know. yeah.
01:06:06
Speaker
Maybe. Maybe it's like too fancy to touch. Or he's just like, you know, sometimes rich people just have things that they don't use. ah Yeah. Maybe he's got a bunch of them.
01:06:18
Speaker
Oh, that could be fair. He's got like 20 identical robes. with Different colors. Oh, yeah. Like ah this is a beige one. Maybe he has like a blue one and a green one and a purple one. And the beige one just the one he doesn't like the most.
01:06:30
Speaker
Hence why it was still on a hook for Sean to get because it has never been cleaned. This makes sense. Got a whole life for Habisham in our heads. Hello, of course. you and Sean asks can we see the epicenter of the ghoulish activity so Haversham I guess brings them around the house I don't actually remember where he brought them was it like his study or something maybe it was the study because yeah like a desk yeah when you think about it right I would have thought he would bring him to like an attic or something or the basement but I guess he doesn't want him in the basement obviously yeah
01:07:09
Speaker
Well, and I mean, in terms of the epicenter of the ghoulish activity. Hmm.
01:07:17
Speaker
I don't know. Well, but if it was Havisham's study, and we know, spoiler alert, Gus is, ah not Gus, Sean is the haunting.
01:07:29
Speaker
Would Sean not ha... Would? Would? sean not hunt hunt haunt why can't i speak why would sean not haunt that's hard hard sentence haversham like maybe that's just where he spends the most of his time so sean like focused on that room i don't know maybe that's the room that he just felt the most comfortable bringing them i don't know i mean i just checked the transcript and he doesn't really say what it is where he's taking oh okay
01:08:01
Speaker
so maybe it's just a just a room living room or something because there's a photo album on a coffee table don't think he says all right well fair enough and i love that habson's like don't touch anything and shots i'm afraid i must touch absolutely everything everything.
01:08:24
Speaker
I may also have to lick some things. Probably this. Probably that. That's funny that, I mean, Havisham does not seem like a women's little guy at all, but there's just like, well, he likes to Scott. So I don't know. That's true. no What a character again.
01:08:44
Speaker
great little side characters. It's true. Yeah. I feel like they do a really great job of, sense silly but putting like the humanness into the side characters. Yeah. Because yeah people have, yeah, everyone has like these weird little random things that we do that don't necessarily make any sense, but we do with them anyway. Even the fact that like Hattowitch makes him a pot of hot cocoa every night.
01:09:09
Speaker
Yes. yeah like he's santa claus or something well and it's fine maybe he is yeah oh man well so we're here in this room which gives us a lot of clues but of course we can't do our snooping when we actually have haversham around we have to get him out in the room so sean tells haversham that he has to leave because you're killing all of my jujubes And Haversham looks at him. There's like a good 20 second pause. He turns around, walks out of the room, turns back and goes, jujubes are candies.
01:09:44
Speaker
And Tron goes, Exactly. Exactly. What a kook.
01:09:51
Speaker
Yeah, so funny. well And also...
01:09:54
Speaker
Like, again, that kind like, in my mind, I was like, well, that kind of, it seems so stupid, but it also seems like, yeah, why not? Like, he's a psychic. Who cares? Like, what? That's the whole thing. He can say whatever he wants. Exactly.
01:10:08
Speaker
It's just so silly. he might just be onto something. Yeah. And I thought that this next little bit of the scene was really interesting because we So we know as multi-viewers of this show, again, that Sean is the one who is haunting the house.
01:10:28
Speaker
And we also know very much like Columbo that Sean is always 20 steps ahead of everything else. And we know that what Sean's trying to do is save the agency.
01:10:40
Speaker
here so when they're in this room by themselves and haversham is gone gus immediately jumps into this whole thread of you're sabotaging this whole thing on purpose and sean very sincerely is like why would i do that and gus goes to get me fired so i have no other choice but to go back to psych i'm like little does gus know Like, Sean is trying to make this happen for Gus.
01:11:06
Speaker
Mm-hmm. that he can have both. And do both. You know, it's funny that you bring that up because Sean also says you're sabotaging earlier in the episode to Henry.
01:11:20
Speaker
we see Sean revert to a teenager. Mm-hmm. And bringing up that Gus says the same thing to Sean, right?
01:11:29
Speaker
I feel like it's the same. It could be the same thing. Or like the idea of the ghosts. Because yeah sea yeah i mean, we've talked a lot about trust for Gus and Sean. And Gus has some very real like life experiences that would make him think that Sean might be sabotaging him right now.
01:11:49
Speaker
Specifically with ghosts too. Yeah. Yeah. He has played with him a lot and also like sort of betrayed him. Yeah. Um, And yeah, so it's interesting that he is thinking that.
01:12:06
Speaker
And that they both have that same. Yeah, I mean, I feel like the two of them are kind of like their storylines are kind of kindred spirits this episode. They're both dealing dealing with very adult issues just in different facets of their life.
01:12:24
Speaker
Like having to make a big career decision is a very difficult, stressful thing. And you know you're thinking about what do you want to actually do with your life? What is going to be the most like successful thing for you to do? What does success look like for you?
01:12:42
Speaker
And then Sean having to deal with more of his personal life and his parents, it's like, okay, well, what does my life actually like mean to me in my mind? Like have all these stories that I've been telling myself for all of these years, are they actually true?
01:12:58
Speaker
You know, those are two very heavy, heavy things to be dealing with. So yeah, I think in some way, both of them are maybe reverting a little bit back to teenage selves.
01:13:09
Speaker
Yeah. And having to deal with very adult things. Yeah, and I feel like that really speaks to kind of like the broader theme we've talked about of like finding sort of a middle ground between being sort of a rest of development like child, like enjoying all the childishness and play and stuff and also being an adult um because and we've seen a couple
Adult Challenges: Family & Career
01:13:38
Speaker
seasons of them getting to live their dream.
01:13:41
Speaker
And now it's like the adulthood comes whether you like it or not. Yeah. Like crashing in. Yeah. Like you, you have to be able and in the society that we currently live in, you have to be able to, you know, pay rent and pay tax, like you pay taxes and you are dealing with your parents. Like you have your relationship with them changes as you get older. And like all this stuff happens, whether you want it to or whether you're ready for it or not. Yes.
01:14:11
Speaker
Yeah, I wonder if that's going to be kind of like our our theme for this season. Because I feel like we have kind of had little bits of theming throughout the season so far. So I wonder if this is going to be like our reality hit, almost.
01:14:26
Speaker
Yeah, well, it's interesting too, like thinking, as we just said, they both are reverting to sort of to their teenage selves in the next episode, we literally go back to high school. um my gosh.
01:14:37
Speaker
Yeah, you're right.
01:14:40
Speaker
Okay. Totally. Oh my gosh. And Sean ends up dating. Yeah. His childhood's not sweetheart, but like, you know, his childhood crush. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay, maybe we've got, yeah, little revert back to our earlier selves.
01:14:56
Speaker
Yeah, and as a reaction to, like, adult things, you know? Like, Henry, you know, these things are coming up, and so, like, almost as not really protective, but, like, just because that's who you were when they started.
01:15:13
Speaker
um Like, the way Sean's dealing with his parents, right? divorced by being the version of himself he was when they divorced yeah yeah like as a kind of a reaction to all this stuff coming up again he is like going into this he's returning to the past and to abigail and stuff again like how can he reconcile that that version of himself that part of his life with who he is now which is very successful psychic detective with new friends yes with jewels with you know
01:15:44
Speaker
Yeah, I think we've talked about this a little bit before, but like it's genuinely, psychologically speaking, it's difficult for human beings to not revert back to old patterns of behavior when you're in that situation where that old pattern of behavior occurred. So now all of a sudden, not only is his dad here, but his dad and his mom are here back together in the same house. It's 1988 my house.
01:16:13
Speaker
yeah I feel like we are like we've cracked the code here. yeah never thought about it in this way, but like that's you're right. That's kind of the premise of where we're at right now. It's 1988 again. Yes, exactly.
01:16:24
Speaker
And they are just trying to, and now maybe they're coming at it with a little bit more of ah of a mature, as whatever that can mean for the two of them, um mind, but they're dealing they're dealing with those same those same issues, those same concepts, the same things that they were dealing with back then, but now just being older.
01:16:45
Speaker
Yeah. And if like in the case of Sean, if suddenly he is finding himself sort of back in that moment and back in those feelings, and then he's hit with brand new information about that time in the form of his mom explaining to him what actually happened, which he never knew. And in 15 years, like had believed something completely different. Like what a mind...
01:17:07
Speaker
blowing experience that would be yeah absolutely i know poor guy like even more excited to continue this season i feel like there's so much to it there is there is definitely and yeah this is is a jam-packed season that's for sure start with the bang end with a bang bang to the middle yeah all around yeah Even, yeah, thinking about the end of the season, you know, his mom is still, is there.
01:17:37
Speaker
Yeah. And he is really forced, mean, talk about things like adult-y difficult things coming up. Like, what an experience to be at war with a serial killer.
01:17:49
Speaker
I know. What way to put that, be at war with serial killer. Like, you can't really, you know, revert to your childhood self, your way out of that one. Yeah, no. Yeah, you gotta, you really gotta step up.
01:18:02
Speaker
and her And maybe that'll be like our, like Sean has worked through or has started to work through his childhood stuff. He kind of has to. We're going to resolve this momentarily. Mom's going go. And then we're going to be off on another, another path.
01:18:20
Speaker
Yeah. We'll have to see. And Abigail also. I know. Does she leave in that episode? She does. Oh no. Does she? Well, she comes back, but like she goes to teach.
01:18:34
Speaker
And then when she comes back, she gets – Is it that episode that she goes to teach? I don't know. I don't remember. But it feels like it could be a season finale thing. Yes. No, she doesn't. That's when they start dating.
01:18:46
Speaker
Yes. Okay. That's the beginning with Abigail. Okay. Big, big stuff. But in that – I mean, not to get like way ahead of ourselves, but that idea of like in that episode, two there's like two roads, you know?
Relationship Choices: Abigail vs. Jules
01:19:00
Speaker
yeah Because he has, they him and Jules kind of explicitly acknowledge what's going on between them. yeah And he has to choose. And for now, he chooses Abigail. He chooses to kind of go back to what he what he has has left unfinished.
01:19:17
Speaker
He chooses, well, I don't want to say Abigail's childhood, but he he chooses that childlike wonder, that childhood over maturity and and going into something new. yeah I mean, it's kind of a You could see why he might want to like to have the opportunity to have a second chance at something he yeah sharp messed up.
01:19:40
Speaker
I mean, and also like that's really parallel with Henry, you know, like, oh, my feels very similarly with Maddie. It's like that's something that she you're killing me.
01:19:53
Speaker
Given the opportunity, yeah he would choose to go back and try again with her. ah absolutely yep wow we're in for a duty this season yeah we are we might have to have to pace ourselves mentally both um just thinking about i'm so glad we're like getting into all this though because i've you know never really sat with it and thought about it in this way so i'm glad like to be thinking of these things as we go like that i'm glad this isn't coming up in the finale i'm glad we have the whole season to be thinking about these themes
01:20:26
Speaker
I know. We'll see. We'll see what we get. Because I have a feeling that they're going to really just and sir smack us with this like over and over and over and over again. So excited.
Eerie House: Responsibilities & Apparitions
01:20:37
Speaker
right, so we get a bunch of other kind of weird stuff going on around the house. um Dog starts barking at seemingly nothing. We, like, want to go into the basement, but we're told that we can't go into the basement. There's, like, weird mold spores down there.
01:20:52
Speaker
We all start drinking hot chocolate, of course. Isn't that that line about the basement really made me laugh, too? When Sean wants to go down there the guy's like, we don't go to the basement and Gus is like, yeah they don't go to the basement. He's like, trying to be... yeah Spooky, scary skeletons, we don't go down there, okay?
01:21:15
Speaker
done Well, yeah, I'm sure part of that is probably less about the investigation and actually just more about how to do it. whatever you want yeah yeah whatever you say yeah then we're we're drinking our hot chocolate and the hot chocolate scene I thought was like actually just so cute that yeah um But they get made hot chocolate and by Hattowich. I always mess up Haversham and Hattowich in my brain because they're both hot yeah sounds.
01:21:46
Speaker
um But Hattowich makes them all hot chocolate and they're just standing around drinking the hot chocolate. Gus and Sean are chatting. and then And Sean has to kind of invite himself into the hot chocolate. wolf Because Hattowich is just eating or drinking it as he does every single night apparently. apparently And they're like Well, Sean is like, can we have some?
01:22:09
Speaker
We need. need to see what you see. need to drink what you drink. You drink, yeah. I was like, you want some hot chocolate. With marshmallows, please.
01:22:22
Speaker
with marshmallows and uh yeah adorable that they're just all drinking hot chocolate and these very nice decorative mugs and they're standing by the back window and suddenly we see sean spilling his coffee and or his coffee his hot chocolate mouth agape we don't really know why until gus turns around and there is an apparition in the forest floating by glowing In the forest.
Apparition Chase & Mystery
01:22:49
Speaker
Talk about and spooky.
01:22:51
Speaker
Spooky. Spooky. And not something we often see in Psych. No, especially because, yeah, if we do see it, it's like a fleeting kind of thing, right? Something that maybe one person sees, but someone else doesn't. And and that's easily explained. why We see Sean see it.
01:23:11
Speaker
Gus see it. Very true. Habersham see it. And then we run outside after it. like Yeah. it's Which Sean is like, doesn't want to. But Gus is like, no, no. Fearless Gus. We're going out into the woods. We're going to go get her.
01:23:26
Speaker
Yep. Oh, I do love before we even go out in the woods. the After Gus has dropped his mug, the dog that was barking from inside jumps up the window. Terrifying. every And then Sean goes, that dog is kind of an a-hole.
01:23:43
Speaker
What a comment on that dog. Leave him alone. He's out there with a scary apparition. Yeah. Sean knows better than anybody. that Yeah. I think we should leave now. Del Taco? Del Taco. Del Taco.
01:23:56
Speaker
Get out of here.
Character Development: Maddie & Lassie
01:23:58
Speaker
And when Sean's like, do you have, it's like a really long name, but something, something energy efficiency on flashlights.
01:24:07
Speaker
I just, it's very funny. Apparently he does because they all have these crazy bright flashlights. Yeah. So the pair of them go out and then Havisham is like, oh, well, and then what I love is,
01:24:19
Speaker
knowing what we know at the end, um we can't, we see Sean stalling basically. Cause he's like, Gus is telling him to suck it up. And was like, suck what up? Like the banter is even more extreme.
01:24:34
Speaker
And I feel like it is because Sean is just like, this isn't part of the plan. And so he needs time to like, you know, yeah sort out what he's going to do. yeah Yeah. And then they decide to split up.
01:24:49
Speaker
And Gus says she went the other way, but Sean knows more than Gus. So he goes a different way. And then Havisham bravely also joins Gus and says, I know I'm not going to let you do that alone.
01:25:02
Speaker
Shocked. Yeah. That Havisham went out there with them. It is bonding for Gus and Havisham. Yes. Very true. And um Sean manages to find our apparition.
01:25:15
Speaker
I've got her like in the background and Gus and Havisham run over and Sean is left wrestling with just a dress. how Spooky, spooky.
01:25:28
Speaker
Spooky, spooky. What is going on? i don't know. I don't know. i know. It's definitely first time watch through. You're like, what the heck is happening?
01:25:40
Speaker
Yeah. What heck? Yeah. We really don't know until the very end. here Or nearly. We don't know until the telephone what's going on. which one Pretty much the end.
01:25:53
Speaker
The end of their investigation. Yeah. There are a couple more Lassie Maddie scenes. Yes. Interspersed with what we've done so far. And the first one we see Jules for all of 10 seconds.
01:26:06
Speaker
Yeah, for the whole episode. Yeah. Like no time. little bummer there. and i was thinking like, does she have more of an episode in the next one? And she kind of does because it's the high school one and she goes to it.
01:26:18
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. But definitely, like we haven't tried to think like, where we left her was like, you know, seeking connection.
01:26:29
Speaker
She wants friends. She really like, we feel she's very lonely. And so thinking about like what she's up to now, we don't really know yet, but I guess in the next episode, she's kind of maybe thinking about Sean in a different way.
01:26:43
Speaker
I guess we'll see. Yeah, so that was kind of a bummer not to see her more.
Therapy & Vulnerability: Lassie
01:26:49
Speaker
Yes. And she's, like, asking Lassie how it's been going.
01:26:54
Speaker
Lassie's like, I'm winning. answered every question as Tom Gunney Highway from Harpreet Ridge. I was like, Lassie. What loon. Yeah, exactly. What a loon.
01:27:05
Speaker
It's really unfortunate because he could really benefit from therapy. Yes, 100%. 100% could benefit from therapy. one hundred per cent every one could benefit from therapy Highly recommend.
01:27:17
Speaker
I do love, though, that Maddie in the next session like, you know, remind me of someone. Have you ever seen that movie?
01:27:30
Speaker
So funny. Yeah. um ah Yeah, and we really we see in the and their next session like how crafty she really is. Yes. Because she kind of gets...
01:27:44
Speaker
In with him by asking him about weapons and stuff.
Spooky Events: Basement Fascination
01:27:48
Speaker
Yeah. And back at the house, some more spookiness. had Had a witch. We meet her finally.
01:27:55
Speaker
Yes. um She is little wigged out. She drops a bag of trash. Yes. Yeah. I mean, that's what I thought it was. Almost sounds like bunch of stuff breaking when she.
01:28:09
Speaker
and Say glass recycling. Oh, yeah. Maybe. um When she's spooked because Sean was just sticking his head into the basement because he's, you know, attracted to places he's not allowed to go.
01:28:23
Speaker
And when he pulled his head back out, he has like this green, like dust coming out of his mouth. was it coffee it It's like fog. Oh, I always saw it as like green.
01:28:34
Speaker
ah interesting. Am colorblind? I don't know.
01:28:39
Speaker
I would have. Because it he has dry ice in his mouth, which is very dangerous. Yes, even when wrapped in a little plastic bag. And we get our partner name. Gus gets introduced as Lemongrass Go-Globe.
01:28:56
Speaker
Like, Shaw needs to get going because he has dinner plans with his mother. Yes. He says... um
01:29:05
Speaker
we he says My dad has been manipulating her time all week, which
Confrontation at Dinner: Family Dynamics
01:29:12
Speaker
is funny. Like he really is at war with Henry. Yeah. Like he just, just his whole thing about Henry in this episode is funny.
01:29:23
Speaker
um It's like a super heightened version. Yeah. Cause it is. It's like, yeah, that kind of bubbling tension that's always there is like,
01:29:35
Speaker
Now it's all out. Yes. Out in the open. Yeah. And i do love the bit. Is this in the same moment? I mean, I have all the notes all together, but it's like dark by the time they're doing The lights?
01:29:49
Speaker
Is this all right after the i think basement? yeah yeah I think so. I think there might be like scene in the middle. I just have someone says again, moonlighting, it's like forever.
01:30:02
Speaker
And then Yeah, they go into the house and this is when the lights start flickering. and that's a really fun scene because Sean's like, yeah, mean, we'll just, you know, call it a day.
01:30:17
Speaker
Come back tomorrow. No leads at this point. And like in between every sentence, the lights are just going bananas. And Gus and Habersham are just staring at him like, you crazy? Do you see what we see?
01:30:33
Speaker
and then finally I have plans with my mother blackout so good and terrifying yes yeah if you're having some of us so yeah Sean makes it to dinner Maddie once again just you know bubbly and adorbs as ever you know she's not really worried about anything and she's like oh you know we're over there and sean's like we because yes evidently he was supposed to have dinner just with her and yeah henry was lonely so she invited him along i wonder if up until this point maddie realizes what's like before she got back to santa barbara did she realize that sean and henry or like sean had these
01:31:30
Speaker
preconceived notions about what happened don't think she does okay right because if she did she i feel like she wouldn't have invited henry to the dinner i think also she would have explained him because they have that line which i i really liked in their kind of you know the climactic scene between them where she kind of explains what happened like um
01:31:55
Speaker
Sean says, Mom, we were both there. You know, we don't need to revisit the past. And she's like, maybe we do. Because it's yeah she is, I think, realizing over the course of the episode that there's more to what's going on here. that like, Sean doesn't really understand what happened.
01:32:11
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Well, then, yeah, then I think...
01:32:16
Speaker
Yeah, I think that makes this whole scene makes so much more sense to me personally. Because, yeah, she does seem very just like, yay, we're all here about to eat dinner. whole episode, even and when he's like, yeah you know, and I think an earlier scene, he says like, he just doesn't want to talk about him. And she says like, I thought things were like, he said things were getting better between you two.
01:32:37
Speaker
Right. So she knows that there's tension. But i I mean, maybe she's thinking like, you know, now they live in the same town. Sean works with the police department. Like, i guess from the outside, that probably all looks like they would be on much better terms.
01:32:52
Speaker
Yeah. Because, that I mean, that was Henry's dream for him the whole time. And another thing that never comes up is, like, what she thinks about the whole psychic thing. Oh, true.
01:33:03
Speaker
Well, has Henry cued her in? How would she not know? Like, she must know. Because she has to able to. Has Henry told... Has Henry told Maddie that he's not actually a psychic, but like this is just what he has to do in order solve all these things? would she would know him enough that she would know that.
01:33:27
Speaker
But I guess I don't. I mean, would she even believe in psychics? like Yeah, I don't know. i don't know. Because, yeah, you would think there'd be more questions. Yeah. yes Yeah, that's really funny. We'll have to...
01:33:43
Speaker
keep our eyes out for that one yeah because it yeah they really don't touch on it at all but at at all like she doesn't fucking get it at all and i wonder if like have they just said to her that he's been consulting and like had they haven't you know gone into the details of he's consulting as a psychic but i also feel like she must have i can imagine henry being someone like cut out newspaper clippings and like send it to maddie like look how look at our son yeah you know yeah and i think like in order for her like to make sure that she doesn't say something that negates what he has told everybody i would think she would need to be informed yes especially if she's going to be coming to work in the department right yeah that's a good point yeah yeah i mean even like you said like the whole eidetic memory thing like you know her throwing that around could be risky for sean
01:34:39
Speaker
which yeah so maybe she maybe she doesn't know i don't know it's very well never thought about it yeah either yeah we'll have to keep our ears peeled our ears open yeah i mean in the upcoming episodes like certainly in the next one and in the finale like she's very involved yeah in a case like she's very present for it so i guess we'll see if she makes any notes yeah but i could kind of see her being like not put off by that and just just like rolling with it yeah she rolls with pretty much every i mean yeah exactly she's just kind of i feel like she almost like behaves as if she's like an like a spectator and yes which i guess kind of a yeah like a psychologist that kind of makes sense just like observing the way people are yes like
01:35:32
Speaker
More like curious. Less not judgmental. Yeah. Just interested. Yeah. Yes. so So Sean gets pretty butthurt over the fact that Henry is there and goes over and i think Maddie maybe goes to the bathroom or something and Sean confronts Henry about the fact that he's wearing a suit he's in a suit i know which is so cute i love henry in a suit sweetie and he's like sean i own suits okay i'm allowed to wear a suit fair also yeah i don't know sean's own problem uh trouble trauma problem that's what happened
01:36:15
Speaker
a problem ah problem and yeah sean is just like i have a problem with this pretend henry that showed up when mom got to town you're acting like a phony exactly what you want do and i' i order a braised kale salad and suddenly you think that means i'm putting on airs and then they bring his like very foo-foo and henry has this like look on his face like cat that ate the canary, like, ooh, I guess
Suspense: Mysterious Phone Call
01:36:44
Speaker
I sort of am. But also it's like, sea does not know why
01:36:49
Speaker
Right. Correct. Which is the whole problem. Yeah. Because Sean thinks that Henry's doing it to get back in Maddie's good graces after breaking her heart. in who Instead of realizing that it's Henry's heart was broken.
01:37:03
Speaker
he still loves Maddie. Which is gut-wrenching as a viewer. so and this is when we get the I'm sorry you think I screwed up your whole life. Get over it.
01:37:13
Speaker
Yeah. Sean goes, you had your chance. Don't leave her alone. Yeah. Walks away.
01:37:24
Speaker
And then I guess Henry and Maddie must finish a lovely dinner because Sean leaves. Yeah. And goes back to the house without us knowing. Like it was back to the house.
01:37:37
Speaker
Because then we get we get a phone call. Which I was like, yes! Which is super scary, but also yes! Because the call is coming from inside the house.
01:37:50
Speaker
And we know. Very much. The foundations of that reference.
01:37:58
Speaker
Yes, Black Christmas. More recently, Stranger Calls, but a Stranger Calls also gets it from Black Christmas. Which if you haven't watched our Black Christmas episode, go watch it. It's a good'un.
Haunting Plan Revealed
01:38:11
Speaker
her and Yes, we get a bunch of like spooky words. So suspenseful. Yeah, coming on the... Again, we get two calls...
01:38:22
Speaker
yeah And then it takes Gus like minutes to get up there. It takes so long. I mean, i was, and I was like taking notes and like, wow, I feel like ah person watching this, binging this in 2025 would be like scrolling Instagram while this happens. Cause it takes yeah so long.
01:38:40
Speaker
It does. But it's like, it's incredibly suspenseful and the payoff is delightful. Yes. It's Sean sitting there in the attic. And I love that immediately it goes to the like, we're we're like, oh, it's just fun.
01:39:00
Speaker
You haunted my boss's house. that ah Yeah, this is when we find out that the plan went into action on Friday. I never thought about it, but like he really gives us a nutshelling of what happened, even though it's different.
01:39:14
Speaker
But we see you the flashbacks the same. Yeah, he tells us. Yeah, that's a great point. I didn't think of it that way either, but that is really what it is. Yeah, he... put the whole plan into action when he found out that you know gus was going to quit psych he didn't want that to happen so he contacted visited alice bundy in prison got a few pointers about the lighting he got himself one of those you know high-pitched whistly things for the dog to bark he put the ice in his mouth with hadowich um the apparition in the woods was a shakespeare in the park such a fun detail yeah
01:39:50
Speaker
Yes, I love that one. I thought that was a paid gig. i know. I thought that was so sweet. And yeah, it was all
Negotiation & Resolution
01:39:58
Speaker
Sean. So they just decide that they're going to stop.
01:40:02
Speaker
And that's going to end the case. Be able to say like, we took care of it. Yeah, because you were now now no longer haunted. yeah And first Gus is like, so what are we going to do if you're the ghost?
01:40:15
Speaker
like you I didn't think that far ahead. Yeah. Also very Sean. Well, very, very Sean and not very Sean because Sean thinks very far ahead. Yeah. but and Well, it's like he got he so into the details of the haunting. It's like he forgot about how to resolve it.
01:40:31
Speaker
Yes, exactly. So then we take it back to the office with Havisham. have a And they give him a guarantee that the ghost will be gone.
01:40:44
Speaker
Guarantee. ah He's always been skeptical, but now he's more skeptical than ever because he heard Gus.
01:40:56
Speaker
Gus. the Just before it hung up, Sean gets guts. And now she's like, just like that. Just like that.
01:41:07
Speaker
Which I've always thought is kind of funny because in the moment where we see Gus walk in there, we see very clearly Sean hang up. Yes, agreed. After not having said anything.
01:41:19
Speaker
Yeah. So I don't know if he didn't click the right button or if it's just like a quirk of editing. I mean, I would think if he didn't click the right button, he would have heard more than just the word Gus.
01:41:31
Speaker
True. So yeah, just ah maybe just a little goof. yeah could be i do also like that haversham calls it his his sixth sense you know he calls it makes him good at business yeah again right yeah we've talked about this as before like oh good at is like yeah exactly true got this intuition that he's used throughout business that's like never steered him wrong and now the sixth sense is telling him not to trust not to trust them he's uh
01:42:02
Speaker
pondering Gus's future with the company but I like I like that the the resolve of this is not them trying to convince him that the haunting happened or didn't happen or anything but it's Sean just laying all the cards on the table and being like I'll keep your secret if you keep mine okay it's so good good because really I mean it's sort of like two different payoffs in a way. Cause like, it's like, Oh, Sean was haunting the whole time. And it's like, but really haunting was just like, well, like that was a fraud of sorts, but really that was just a threat for him getting in the house and gathering all this intel. It's like, he, it was like, he knew there would be something like that he could hold over this guy.
01:42:55
Speaker
Yes. And it's so, So Sean, because he just like takes in all the information, you know, he like, oh, you don't like to go in the basement? Let's see what that's about. And like, oh, there's like, what's going on in the photo album? It's like he didn't need any of that for the haunting.
01:43:14
Speaker
But yeah, it was just, it was like he knew. Because I guess ultimately. he is not a psychic and he doesn't believe in psychics and he doesn't believe in
Positive Outcomes: Gus's Job Secured
01:43:25
Speaker
ghosts. And it's like all of that is just.
01:43:27
Speaker
Smoke and mirrors, which he's very good at, to get in the house and get some real material, practical reasons why this guy should get off their back.
01:43:40
Speaker
Yes. And I think to that point, Sean probably knew that even if he didn't use it now, that information was going to be useful at some point. True.
01:43:52
Speaker
So he had to play his cards now because it kind of came to a head. But regardless, what they found out in the house and the house was going to be helpful and therefore they needed to get into the house. And he, to be fair, found a lot of information.
01:44:06
Speaker
He found like an affair. He found business fraud. I don't know what you're calling it. That's the main thing. Yeah. um Because he... Something raised by his grandmother.
01:44:22
Speaker
Yeah, because he kind of makes him feel bad about the affair by saying, like, your grandmother is disappointed. think I know. I can feel it. Yeah. And he says something about it being illegal or something. And she's like, nothing you've accused me of is illegal.
01:44:44
Speaker
Yeah, he says, I did actually write it down because I knew we were going to talk about it. He was raised by his grandmother. His wife wears his grandmother's ring. He is having a affair with the secretary, the secretary Bianca.
01:44:55
Speaker
And then he says, well, nothing you've told me yet has been illegal. And then Sean says, yes, but repackaging samples and selling them is illegal. Ba-bam! Ba-bam! paper barrow And this is when Havisham's like, okay, we stay quiet.
01:45:11
Speaker
Yeah, because there was a comment earlier, which we didn't mention, but Gus says how Havisham, corporate loves Havisham because he he revamped their whole supply chain. Inventory system. it yeah Yeah, their inventory system. And I love Sean's like, really? Whole system for me to see? Including M?
01:45:30
Speaker
Like, he just sounds so, like, unimpressed. Including Yeah.
01:45:35
Speaker
um But yeah. yeah So Sean knew that. And then he saw in the basement there was a bunch of pharmaceuticals in there. Right. And so he figured that out.
01:45:49
Speaker
And yeah, he's got something to hold over Habisham. Yep. And then they both just go, okay. Secret stays with us.
Emotional Impact: Maddie's Presence
01:46:01
Speaker
Gus gets to keep his job and then And gets a raise.
01:46:05
Speaker
And gets a raise, yes, which I loved. And Ogletree is like, what? What the heck? Haversham's like, keep your nose in your own business, Ogletree. like, gosh darn. And then Sean looks at Ogletree, he goes, I know about you too.
01:46:20
Speaker
So good. and they walk away. And Sean goes, his hair is horrible. Yes. Oh, Sean. Oh. Of course he does. And then we go back to the station and we've got our heart to heart with Maddie and Sean.
01:46:35
Speaker
Yeah. And this is fun. I wonder like thinking more about Maddie, like, and just like how she acts. I wonder if her being gone, having been gone for so long and kind of not being super present makes her feel like she's, maybe she's careful about intervening.
01:46:53
Speaker
because she hasn't been around and she doesn't really know what's going on and from henry she hears that they're doing yeah better and like you know so maybe like it it makes sense in that way that she would yeah it would take time for her to be like because even the way she says it she's like enough what happened because she like like it's like it's come to a point where she feels she must intervene yes yes Yes. She basically psyche evals him.
01:47:20
Speaker
hey Yes. Which he definitely definitely needs even though he's proud of himself for having never gone to therapy. Oh Sean. I know. Definitely also needs needs some therapy again. Everybody does.
01:47:36
Speaker
And um yeah this is where we get the what happened between you two with dad. we were both there. Sean goes into the hole. He left us. He left you. you It's not exactly what call hero material. And you.
01:47:51
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. and And she explains that she left for a job. So that helps because we were like, how does she leave? But he was like, but he thought that he was the one that left, even though he's at the house and she left. But so she, I guess in his mind, she maybe took a job because she had to.
01:48:16
Speaker
Yes, to get away from Henry. Because they were, he was, quote, leaving her. Right. um Yeah, so that was very helpful to actually listen to that conversation.
01:48:29
Speaker
Yeah. It was clarifying for everybody. Yeah, and I feel like super interesting from a character perspective for Maddie because I feel like you don't get a lot of female characters with this kind of story because she says you know I never wanted to leave you but I felt like my life began again yeah which is like for the expectations of like what a woman should be is like pretty
01:49:01
Speaker
ah intense thing to say in a way like for her to be like after I left my kid and my husband my life began again um And she does seem, she seems great. She seems super content and happy.
01:49:16
Speaker
Yeah. um So, yeah, that's kind of a, she's an interesting character and I feel like kind of unusual. Yeah. I think she brings, think she brings a really interesting energy and perspective the
01:49:37
Speaker
the group to the family. um i think even just like the dynamic that she has or that she ends up having to have with Henry, I think is a really interesting one of her, like loving having her independence and like being her, her own thing, but also clearly still having a little bit of, which we'll see later, a little bit of something for Henry.
01:50:05
Speaker
yeah,
01:50:08
Speaker
But not wanting to, like you said, not wanting to necessarily jump in and immediately get involved because she's been so separated for them from them for such a long time,
Maddie's Reflections & Complexity
01:50:19
Speaker
theoretically, like 15 years. I mean, that's half a Sean's life, you know?
01:50:24
Speaker
So I think think it opens up the opportunity for a lot of interesting conversations surrounding the the dynamics in this family that, like you said, I don't think we necessarily get in many other stories.
01:50:37
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Cause well, yeah, I mean, in terms of perspective, she is really like an interesting element to bring into it because she's sort of a part of it and not because she's been away for so long.
01:50:48
Speaker
And how at the same time she has all the history, like, you know, like when in the next episode and they're like going through his, like Sean's things and stuff, it's like, she was there for all that, but now she has this whole other life that um Yes, that is.
01:51:01
Speaker
So this they are like her past in a way that she is not as much their past, you know, like she's still sort of part of them as a unit, but she's got her own thing.
01:51:16
Speaker
Yes. Like her whole other life that is, that does not involve them at all. Which is like. One might argue that coming back here is also going to be like an emotional regression. Yeah. madie well That's how she ends up in bed with Henry. Yeah.
01:51:32
Speaker
yeah totally especially spending time in the house with him yeah spending time with sean yeah whoa yeah whoa but we've already our timer's at two hours where i feel like we could talk about her for like i know i know we could and we probably will to be fair throughout the season think we're gonna talk about her a lot more yeah i just every time i think about them um I think about Henry and that music that plays at the very end of this episode.
01:52:02
Speaker
That be-de-dee-dee.
01:52:06
Speaker
You know, with like Henry looking through the station, checking his call and everything. Just like, ugh. Like, so we go from that moment ah like, I left him and like, you know, and how that how important that was for her and how, you know, happy she was and stuff. Even though it was hard to leave Sean, she thought, and also like, she thought he would be fine. He was in his senior year. Like, she didn't know that this was going to mess him up so much. Yeah. And and she feels... yeah That line that she always says, sometimes I have the worst realizations. I feel like that's such kind of like a weird, i don't know. It always like hits me and in like a weird way. Like it just is like an interesting way to phrase that.
01:52:45
Speaker
Yes. But yeah, so she this is like brand new information for her that she messed Sean up this much. think it's like, I love that you pull that line, though, because I think it's so like, i don't know. I think that's so like realistic.
01:53:04
Speaker
Do you know what mean? Like, I think oftentimes we we all go through our lives doing things that we believe in the moment are going to be the best decisions and the best situations. And I would like to believe that everyone is just at the end of the day trying their best.
01:53:19
Speaker
But if you really sit down and think about certain things like, yeah, you can come to this realization of something else like sidebar. But. Like, as a teacher, I'm always trying to make the best decisions for my kids, but, like, I can – anything that I say to them, i mean, I don't know how they're interpreting it. yeah You know what I mean?
01:53:36
Speaker
And that's, like – yeah, if I really sit down and think about it, sometimes I have the strangest realizations. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like kind of seeing her like kind of knowing her character, like I could see her being very in her own head and like in her own world. And so maybe like things like the way her actions impact other people may hit her like down, like later on, like maybe that's like a common thing
Tension & Reflection: Family Dynamics
01:54:06
Speaker
for her that she doesn't realize what she's doing to people until like it's too late. Yeah.
01:54:11
Speaker
Yeah. um Yeah. Just looking at like some of the other things, like she says, i know that I failed you, but I think that day my life began again. Like that's so intense.
01:54:22
Speaker
And I feel like it's a lot more common, like with sort of feminist stories that we maybe would see today. It's more like women.
01:54:32
Speaker
not wanting to have kids at all or like wanting to do it like being more career driven stuff. But this is like, it's really interesting to have this character who, after she's done all that being like, I'm going to leave this life.
01:54:43
Speaker
Yeah. That I already have created. Like i already have all this stuff, but she's going to start over like, but still, and her still feeling this obligation towards Sean, you know, like it's like, she still loves him, but it's like, she has to go. of course.
01:54:59
Speaker
Yeah. It's like really fascinating. yeah oh man i everybody know we've seen her for all of like 10 10 seconds minute yeah maybe but maybe world i know i know i know and then and then the episode ends yeah henry like walks down the hallway he's like straight into his little collar and then he turns And he waves at them. And I was just like.
01:55:30
Speaker
His little face. Yeah. To go from the intensity of that moment. Like Maddie like reevaluating her whole life. And Sean reevaluating his whole understanding of his life.
01:55:41
Speaker
And then looking to see Henry. And Henry in slow motion. It's like as if he's seeing him for the first time. Yes. Exactly. The way they present that moment is so. Yes. Brilliant.
01:55:52
Speaker
Yes. Oh man. And then it's over. It's over.
01:55:59
Speaker
We'll return to this yes um little Spencer threesome Spencer clan Yes, and our next episode of Murder any Anyone Anyone Yes Very clearly Ferris Bueller reference yeah But an homage The entire episode is an homage to John Hughes movies So we're going watch What do we say? Pretty in Pink?
01:56:24
Speaker
and And The Breakfast Club yeah okay Two really good ones Breakfast Club I have seen Pretty in Pink I have not seen same so that will be fun yes yeah yeah it'll be nice to it's gonna be a lot of it's a lot to watch for next week but it'll be good because even without having watched all of the John Hughes movies from the 80s we know that there are a lot of references in it so it'll be interesting to see what we pick up on after watching one more totally
01:56:58
Speaker
um Yeah, we're going to meet Abigail. Yeah. We're going to go back to the old high school. Yeah. We're going to meet some old old gang. It's going really fun. I'm just looking. I remember I was searching for something, maybe around the after show, and I came across this um review um the pilot.
01:57:26
Speaker
after it aired. I wanted to share it with you. Of Psyche? Yeah. I meant to it at the start of the episode, but now that we're doing just as we get into season three, this was originally published July 2nd, 2006 in the Orlando Sentinel.
01:57:42
Speaker
Wow. um And the headline is, it's hard to get Psyche for the main character of Psyche. I know.
Character Complexity & Show Appeal
01:57:55
Speaker
And it started my mouth is a grape by the way. Can you enjoy a show without liking the main character? Psych puts that unnecessary challenge to viewers.
01:58:08
Speaker
Oh my gosh. Um, This Hal Bode Kerr, by the way. And staff reports. And Hal goes on to say, this screwball mystery. Hey! Ah!
01:58:19
Speaker
Screwball. Makes sense. There we Which debuts Friday on USA. So this predates the... This is like off of a wow screener of the pilot. Wow. Starts with an engrossing premise.
01:58:30
Speaker
Just going on and on about kind of just like the premise of the show. Sean's psychic shtick should offer an enjoyable fraud, but Rode overdoes the quirky charisma Maybe we're supposed to savor the irony.
01:58:43
Speaker
The observant hero doesn't recognize his effect on others, but series creator Steve Franks gives Sean too much leeway to show off. More limits on the character would help the actor and show. What?
01:58:56
Speaker
So, yeah, I didn't even read all this, but I just got a kick out of it. I just think it's so, you know, we've we've mentioned a couple times how the show has to like grow into itself. Not only like the characters have to grow into themselves, but also the show has to grow into its wackiness and how we've said that like Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, the remake would not have fit.
01:59:17
Speaker
And with the original Cloud the Chance Mimballs, I think this is a perfect example of that because they are tame ah in season one. It's funny because this is about, oh, he's too outlandish in episode who one of season one. Like, no, he's not. Like, wait till you, so like, at all come back to me in six years and tell me how.
01:59:37
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Sean is too much. But I also think it's because we've talked about how, you know, Sean can, he's a complicated character. He's not like 100% of the time. And we've talked about how, like, we enjoy that so much. And like, that is what makes stories interesting.
01:59:54
Speaker
um So, yeah, just to, for someone's take on the show to be like, how can I watch a show where I don't like the main guy?
02:00:05
Speaker
And it's like, it's just so much more than that. Like there's just so much more to it than that. And he's so much more interesting than, than his antics. Yes.
02:00:16
Speaker
I agree. I think, you know, I think it's tough when I think people come to media with a lot of different ah desires or or hoping to get a lot of different things out of it. And I think if you're hoping to just get like escapism out of media, I don't necessarily know if Psych is the show for you.
02:00:33
Speaker
Because yeah, you're not just going to... But at the same time, I feel like you could watch the silliness and not think true much about it at all. That's true. If you're a silly person. Like if you're a serious person, I think you'd be like this. And this person does seem like... More of a serious person. Like she's too silly.
02:00:50
Speaker
And he's unlikely. I feel like he's not silly enough. Bring on the silly. Come on. Yeah. but i That's so funny. I'm so glad you found that. Yeah.
02:01:00
Speaker
yeah and At first meeting, Sean is no standout like Adrian Monk, who begins his fifth season Friday on USA. That's such a funny comparison, too. I know. Because Monk is like a wacko, just in a different way than Sean is.
02:01:15
Speaker
That's so funny. And I would argue, i oh, my God. they're um They're not comparable. They're like two totally different shows. Yeah. And I guess you could say like Adrian Monk is maybe more purely like a good guy.
02:01:30
Speaker
Like he has he's quirky, but he's not like, you know, as well, he's pretty conceited to the way Sean is.
02:01:42
Speaker
Yes. But he's not maybe as much of a showboat. Yeah, I think Monk is like the standard cop just with a lot of mental health issues because he like ultimately is doing this for a good reason. He's trying to find his wife's killer. He was, you know, a like really amazing cop for a very long time until Trudy died. Like the...
02:02:04
Speaker
And he's just trying to get by, but at the end of the day, like he, yeah, he's not, he's complicated in like his mental health and and what's happening with him and his love for his wife, but he's not necessarily, compet like he's not going out of his way to be malicious towards people. Not that I think Sean is either, but Sean, Sean is more like socially complex, I think, than Monk is, if that makes any sense, you know what i mean.
02:02:28
Speaker
Like Sean has a lot of problems with his family that he's having to work through. He clearly has a lot of like internalized things regarding failure and success that we've talked about. Like Monk doesn't have any of those complexities. We're also like meeting, I feel like meeting Sean way earlier in his life.
02:02:49
Speaker
like Completely. It's um it's practically a coming of age story. yes's totally. Totally. Without it. mean, yeah. Monk is an accomplished detective already when we meet him. He's like in midlife.
02:03:00
Speaker
Retired. Yeah. but yeah totally it's their Yeah. Totally. It's just, I was like, Oh, how funny. Like, yeah, no, it's very, it's very interesting. Yeah.
02:03:12
Speaker
Just don't like Sean. Some people don't like Sean, but you know, can't relate. Well, it's just, again, it's so interesting.
02:03:24
Speaker
Yeah, you know, when you get down to it, I think you're i think it's the silliness. Because I'm thinking of, like, the ah Sherlock, the BBC Sherlock. Sherlock himself is not a likable character. Like, he is extremely conceited. He is not thoughtful of other people's emotions.
02:03:43
Speaker
He, like, and especially Benedict Cumberbatch's version of Sherlock is, like, very high and mighty. And that is how Sherlock is. So he's not necessarily likable, but I feel like Sherlock Holmes is a revered character. Yeah. Why is that? Because maybe because he's not silly? I don't know.
02:04:03
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, and i mean, maybe just like, also wonder if like by this time he's such a classic character that it's like, we don't even worry about how likable he is. Like we know he's in important. I don't know.
02:04:18
Speaker
But I mean, even just like the premise of this review being like, why would we watch a show about someone we don't like, which is such a, like, when did we decide that characters have to be yeah perfectly good all the time? I don't yeah i know. But anyway, not to ah get too into it, but I thought it was like a fun way to return to Sank.
02:04:42
Speaker
Yeah, that is. And very, i think validating of all the things that we've talked about already, which is good. Yeah. Well, this was nice to get back to our regularly scheduled programming.
02:04:56
Speaker
um talking about now season three. If you would like to join us back here next week, we'll be talking about season three, episode two of the Fame TV show, Psych. Bye!
02:05:08
Speaker
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02:05:22
Speaker
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