S3E2: No Body, No Crime!

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Speaker: All right. everyone, and welcome to Fasci6101, where we discuss everything about the world of Psyche and the antics of Sean and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar, and this is my partner, Homicide Howie.

Speaker: And today we'll be talking about season three, episode two of the famed TV show, Psyche. Ooh. Wee-hoo. Murder.

Speaker: Murder. Anyone? Bueller, I think. Yeah, I think it's two, anyone. Murder, anyone? Bueller. anyone buler okay oh yeah murder anyone anyone pure yeah yeah so like a 80s homage john hughes yes homage yeah i mean they really pack it in oh my gosh did they pack itt it we um we narrowed it to two john hughes movies

Speaker: Have you seen any? Well, we watched Pretty pink in Pink and The Breakfast Club. We have both seen The Breakfast Club. Yeah. Pretty in Pink. Have you seen any others? Ferris Bueller. ah I've seen Ferris Bueller.

Speaker: I've seen The Breakfast Club. Now I've seen Pretty in Pink. I haven't seen, i know 16 Candles is one of them. I haven't seen 16 Candles. I have seen 16 Candles, but it's been a long time. I feel like I watched it, like, my parents had me watch it, like, around my 16th birthday or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: But I do feel like it it didn't, um at the time, feel like it had the, what do you call it? Like, it didn't hold up quite as well. Yeah. i I really enjoyed Pretty in Pink.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. um and the breakfast club you know classic classic yeah I i cried so much both of them which one all of them breakfast club didn't cry at pretty and pink I don't think no that's fair it's a little bit more ah feel good yeah I think in breakfast club definitely a truer rom-com yes definitely breakfast club is like more teen dramedy.

Speaker: Yeah. Coming of age. Yes. That one scene where they're just all like comparing why they are in there and everybody's crying and I was like, oh Screaming at each other. oh Yeah.

Speaker: Cursing each other out. Yeah. Some powerful performances. Definitely. Yeah. It was, i could see why it became ah classic.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. Especially, you know, I i don't really recall. Obviously, wasn't alive. However, so I don't really know, like, what the the standard, like, storyline was in the 70s,

Speaker: But I can imagine, you know, with movies becoming more popular, more accessible, ah media in general becoming more accessible, that teenagers would be, like, a new audience to...

Speaker: market stuff too so i can also imagine you know sitting down and watching this movie and being a teenager at the time it must have been pretty impactful to be like oh yeah all of us are really different but ultimately very much the same and all going through kind of similar bullshit as teenagers yeah yeah well both movies really had like the the clickishness Yeah. And, um, and like kind of class tension, which maybe particularly in that area of Chicago was like very like tangible for, for teens to be watching, um,

Speaker: yeah I mean, I think, like yeah, like public schools in the US, like you tend to get all kinds. Oh, yeah. um Literally just whoever's in the area. yeah Everyone just shows up. There was like an interesting element in Pretty in Pink where she's saying, oh, I know I'm lucky to be here. I'm like... wasn't quite sure i wasn't quite sure if like Was there like a redistricting that happened that like let them in or like what is that like a new or is it private school? I didn't get the impression it was private.

Speaker: Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Definitely this like the haves and the have nots. I also thought it was fun that in Pretty in Pink, which I watched first.

Speaker: I mean, I hadn't Rex, but it had been a while. But yeah. but

Speaker: Molly Ringwald plays like one of the like trash characters and then in The Breakfast Club she's like on the Richie side.

Speaker: I know and I had like I had a hard time separating the two characters from the two movies I think just because she was styled so similarly in both like her hair was you know 80s fluffy. Well I do feel like it's kind of similar I forget which thing we were Maybe it was Real Genius where it's like it's hard to tell looking at 80s people like what all the sit situation.

Speaker: yeah I felt like Pretty in Pink, you I really i kind of felt like I understood the visual cues more because like like the way the rich people dressed very prep was like, yeah yeah, like they came i'm off of a yacht.

Speaker: Like even then, like I felt like I understood what they were looking like. And then the more deviant, but um like eclectic. Yeah. Yeah. The more kind of outsider characters were like yeah super flashy and creative. Like she was very creative with her clothes.

Speaker: Yeah. And I do, I mean, in Breakfast Club, she definitely, as far as like what she's wearing compared to pretty in pink is a lot more subtle.

Speaker: Yeah. She didn't have like all the pieces going on at once. Yeah, that's true. Maybe it's just because she was in pink in both. And I was like, you're wearing the same color i mean and it's hard like obviously she's beautiful charming adorable yeah she really is and so it's hard like in pretty and pink to be like oh yeah this is the trash character you know when movies try to tell you like and it's interesting too because in pretty and pink there is like this very small underlining

Speaker: ah piece where the men are like there's something special about her like she's weird but there's something special about her doesn't she just like have it she's in it's like she does yeah she is like gorgeous and charming Yeah. Redhead.

Speaker: Redhead. Yeah. Adorable. do feel like after this, we're just going to have to get more John Hughes movies. Yeah. too i have I have to say, having just watched Pretty in Pink and The Breakfast Club and then watching Psych within the same probably 36 hours i caught all of the so many of the references so many more yeah he didn't catch before you know or some and sometimes he throws stuff out there we've kind of talked about this before where you don't really understand what he's saying but it's still like funny so you'll you know you kind of still get it i think in this episode particularly he throws stuff out there that you have like no idea what he's talking about but you know it's a reference so you're just like whatever i'll keep going

Speaker: I do feel like another fun thing about this episode is that he is saying them and a lot of people in the world do not get them. Yeah, yeah. But I do love that Abigail gets them. We get Abigail and Abigail gets them all. And like,

Speaker: Yeah, I was really thinking about, I mean, here we are jumping all over the place again, but like where we kind of left off in the last episode about like Sean kind of having to make a choice if he's going to kind of go backwards or if he's going to like take this other route. And this episode being all about choices and the choices that he makes and making a different choice. yeah um And like the way, like Abigail speaking that same language, that eighty s h reference language like makes I feel like just emphasizes that even more like she's part of that she's like yes part of history in his life yeah mean Jules gets them too she does when she eventually shows up yes yeah yeah I didn't realize how early this discussion of choices and moments and and different paths that

Speaker: came into the show because they talk about it a lot more later on. Yeah. There's an entire episode dedicated to that. Yeah. I was just going to say like that particular scene with Sean and Henry in the car, I was like, I wrote down like sliding doors.

Speaker: Cause he's, yeah, he's like, what, what, it like I knew my whole life would be different. And you're right. Like when, when we finally get to that, like sliding doors episodes and we see those two possible routes, it's like,

Speaker: It is wild to think about Sean kind of feeling like, did he ever make the right choice? Like ever. Yeah. Well, and that's an interesting thing to think about, too, with him, because he's such a he presents as such a confident person.

Speaker: So to think now, OK, inside, there's all these internal turmoil that he's constantly going through. I mean, I think that's very human. I think we all do that. um But I think it's just it adds more depth to his character, which I think is fun for us to see progress.

Speaker: Yeah, the fact like because like you said, like he presents so confident, but he has this like deep insecurity about whether he's doing the right thing or the thing that he's supposed to do, which it is weird also to think of life like that, you know fate versus free will.

Speaker: like Yes, my gosh. Is he ah like you know like knowing that there's a version of his life that is different had he gone to Abigail on the pier.

Speaker: And then to bring it back to The Breakfast Club, like, thinking about, like, um like Emilio Estevez talking about that moment where it's, like, what was going through his head when he taped Lester's buns together, which I do not know do not typically catch that reference, even though I had seen the movie. But, um like, those choices, like, those are the choices. Mm-hmm.

Speaker: And high school such a ripe time to be like, we're all just making the choices to figure out who we're going to be. and Totally. Yeah. I kept writing down in my notes, especially for the two movies, this is so high school.

Speaker: Just like so high school. but Yeah. The conflicts, the discussions, the the clickiness, like all of it. yeah It is so developmentally, the teenage years.

Speaker: Yeah. And I could, yeah, I mean, like to what you were speaking without the b speaking to at the beginning, like why ah movie like The Breakfast Club would be so resonant for people. And it's like so many people do feel like they fit into one of those groups. And then like, and yet we all sort of have this like yearning to break out of those groups and to not be like holden to all the rules that are governing both high schools, like in both movies.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. Tense stuff. It's so hard to be a teenager. So hard to be in high school. ah Yeah, absolutely. and not want to do it again. No, no. Yeah, absolutely not. I couldn't even be an adult in a high school.

Speaker: like I was like, to get me out of here. It's too much. It's too much. Yeah, no, I think I like the... I don't want to say theming. I don't know if that's maybe... I don't think that's the correct word.

Speaker: But all three of the things that we watched, I feel like, had a very...

Speaker: clear like existentialism this to them yeah totally which I thought which also is so high school like yeah so high school to a certain point in adulthood with where I mean i don't know it seems like a lot of people aren't thinking existentially every day in adulthood you kind of get into like the grind of just like living yeah but like in high school it's like you're suddenly realizing like I'm like YOLO live past die young like this yeah yeah like everything feels so huge and you're like exposed to like the literature and like people like these ideas and big thinking in a way that maybe you never were before and feeling so much more than you ever have before yeah

Speaker: is yeah

Speaker: Yeah. And it's such a formative time to like just the things that happen in high school. i feel like whether you want them to or not, as we see with Sean, carry with you yeah through the rest of your life.

Speaker: And if you're not, you know, at least I find if I'm not thoughtful about how it is I'm thinking about something or why it is I'm thinking about something in a certain way, And those like old tendencies, I feel like are very easy, to easy to come up. So maybe this is like an existential question that Sean's been asking himself forever.

Speaker: Like, do I make the right choices? Am I picking the right thing? And now that he's back in high school, it all comes bubbling to the surface again. Yeah, and I feel like that also makes sense for, like, just how he lives his life in general. The fact that he doesn't, in a way, up to the point of psych, he almost refuses to make choices. Like, he does not have a path. He's not picking a career in the way that, like, Gus has.

Speaker: Or the way, i mean, just anyone is, like, supposed to. um Which is... Yeah, I don't think I've ever really thought about him in that way. Like, if that being...

Speaker: tied to just like indecision yeah yeah because it comes off especially in the beginning as just like free-spiritedness like he's just is so like with the wind he'll go in whatever direction you know and then yeah i think as you get to know him more or maybe as it continues to recur it does seem more and more like maybe it just is he's not certain yeah And really, like, the act of choosing something is also the act of not choosing something. And and maybe that is what is so hard for him. Because it's like, he even the way he explains to Abigail, like, why he did not go, it's like it's like he knew that if he went to her, his life would be different. And he, like, knew he was not ready for whatever version of life that was going to be.

Speaker: And even, like, in the end, like... he kind of still doesn't make a choice in a way. Like he he confesses to her, but he's like, so maybe this is closure. Like he's not choosing her. He's not choosing Jules. He's like, I'm still not sure what I'm doing with my life, but.

Speaker: But thank you for that. Yeah, I thought that was interesting too. Cause in my mind, they, this is like when they got together, they were like, yeah, I was thinking that too. And I'm like, oh yeah.

Speaker: Yeah. And he really didn't, pick anything like I thought oh maybe she was gonna say afterwards like oh let's we'll meet up next week and get a coffee like no they just go their separate ways let's see when she comes back because I just you know I was also thinking as part of our education that maybe be does she oh maybe she doesn't come back to like Yang what I think so.

Speaker: um my gosh. And that's that's even creepier now because that means that Yang has been watching Sean since this episode to know that Abigail's important.

Speaker: No, because, well, it's not till the next Yang that he, they kidnap her. Yin takes her. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker: oh Oh, so this is not the clock tower one. right i think we had this exact same conversation. like wow we totally maybe in Moonlighting. I don't remember. I think it was maybe Moonlighting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, this is the one with the steer general crunch.

Speaker: That's this one. That's a very... Yeah, okay. Yes, yes, yes. Thank you. Okay. So... Because it according to Psych Wiki, I'll check IMDb too. This is, I know, with this is movie theater.

Speaker: Yes. That's this, got it, got it. It's really more about Sean's mom. Yes, yes. Later in an evening with Mr. Yang, Sean calls up Abigail after Gus tells him that Sean will be 80 years old and still hitting on waitresses and that his game is tired. And that's the crunch thing.

Speaker: Yes. The waitress. And throughout the rest of the episode, Sean is forced to postpone the date. And then they end up in the date in the theater. Okay. Right. Okay. So she doesn't come back into into the end. At some point, maybe maybe in between seasons three and four, then, we need to watch She's All That?

Speaker: Yes. Yeah. Is it her and Freddie Prinze Jr.? Yeah. Yeah. Because watching these Pretty in Pink and Breakfast Club is a reminder that they also tried to bring in every single person that was a part of it.

Speaker: I looked this up because I was like, how close did they get? They got all but Emilio Estevez. Everyone else was on it. Incredible. point I know. And I didn't realize, I also totally did not realize who Judd Nelson was. That's exactly what I was about to say.

Speaker: literally was like, that was Dred Nelson. Yeah. They did an amazing novel Completely yeah different character. come Completely. Yeah. So good. And I'm sure ah James R. De Rodriguez was probably freaking out.

Speaker: Yeah. Well, I've got to say. He was another one, what like in Real Genius, where i was like, okay, like I see yeah all of the influence on James Roderick Rodriguez. His musicality, especially the flirtation and stuff, like certain expressions that he made, like yes all of that is part of James' performance style. Yes.

Speaker: Yeah, lot I agree. A lot of that physicality, i was like, oh, that that's something he would totally do. yeah Even just small stuff like ah the way he sits on top of things or like the way he interacted with the the scenery. was like, oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and some of his like dramatic acting, Nelson's dramatic acting, like I felt like I could see...

Speaker: that and kind of sean's more dramatic scenes and moments and like having just seen the flashback from the last episode where we talked about how he is basically cosplaying judd nelson in the breakfast club like yeah the way the way he was even like moving and carrying himself in that flashback like you can see it what an impact that movie had on young sean yeah Yes.

Speaker: And then to get a legitimate, at the end, Judd Nelson reenactment with all of the multiple coats and outerwear. Fist in the air. was great.

Speaker: So cute. Yeah, so good. I also actually thought, like, Ducky, John Cryer, like, I could see some of that in Sean, too. Yes. The silliness and yes the big...

Speaker: theatrical-ness yeah I would agree with the like when they were in the record store and Ducky was like doing all the dancing and everything yeah very dramatic like you know whatever oh yeah I could see Sean totally doing that yeah and some of his like um the way he would kind of joke it was just like non-stop talking yeah the humor yeah yeah totally Definitely. Yeah. Sometimes even just talking to himself because why not?

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. It was really, it was good. I feel like the, the two that we picked like right off the bat, I was like, Oh, those were a good two for this episode.

Speaker: Totally. The promise theme was definitely touched upon with the pretty in pink. And then the kind of dynamics of the different dynamics of high school. slash the just being in one spot for pretty much the entire time. True, yeah. but Yeah, moving through the halls and stuff. Yes.

Speaker: Yeah, I loved that. I loved them in the high school. And I just love thinking that, like, okay, tell me what you think, because I really can't decide. Do we think Sean genuinely doesn't remember most of his time in this high school? Or do we think he was just joking in order to seem, like, too cool?

Speaker: I feel like... He was joking for, or not joking, but like you're saying, like trying to seem like he didn't care. i Even just the fact that he was like a part of this janitorial, Cronians Union, whatever, and has all of the keys to the entire building, like he would need to know how to get around.

Speaker: Yeah. I mean, you know yeah, it worked out for him that Abigail had to come with him. Yes. But there was one moment like later where somebody was mentioned or even like when Mindy?

Speaker: Mindy. When like she was mentioned, like he knew exactly who she was or like so somebody else, he knew who that was. So it was like, I felt like he was playing a game. Okay. Fair. For a lot of it. And then.

Speaker: he would not necessarily slip but like he just wasn't playing for a moment yeah yeah yeah okay but yeah because he has that kind of bender jen nelson in the breakfast club like vibe of like i don't actually care about any of this yeah i'm too cool but he does and I think, again, like, high school very formative time. Even if you don't care, quote unquote, don't care about high school, you're still impacted by the entire experience. There's no way to not be.

Speaker: And it's so funny to think about, like, what their high school must have been like knowing that Sean was kind of falling into this path of, like, becoming that outsider figure. And then Gus, meanwhile, was the pep captain.

Speaker: i know. Well, so I was thinking, too... And I remember if we've talked about this before or not, but... Oh, no, we totally did. Because we talked about a point in time where it seemed like Sean and Gus maybe weren't as close as they currently are or they once were. Like, what if high school was kind of the start of that?

Speaker: Of, like, Gus going and becoming the pep captain, like everyone knew him, most likely to succeed or whatever the title was that he got. And Sean... seemingly falling into the shadows and not caring as much about everything maybe that started the divide yeah i mean i don't know like if they ever truly were like you know i feel like they would be kind of like mean brothers in the sense that like maybe they didn't talk all day long but like they could still go to each other's houses at the end of the day like they were it was like like a foundation that

Speaker: didn't need to be reinforced constantly. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I could also see them. Well, like Ali, Ali Sheedy's character. dear What's her name? Alice.

Speaker: Alice. And. breakfast Yes. Yeah. Alice. And Brian, the way that like both their characters are like, they would say hi to each other. You know, they would never do that to other. could see them being like that. Like, even if they're not in the same click, like.

Speaker: Yes. Yeah. I don't know if I've talked about this before. Maybe I have. If I have, just stop me. But I feel like people have different, not definitions, but I feel like people have different understandings of what it means to like have a friend or like be a friend to someone. And some people, it's very specific. like I have to talk to you three times a week, and and then we're friends. I need to like know about your life, and then we're friends. And Or, you know, whatever it might be. And then I think there are other people who are like, once you're my friend, you're my friend for life. Like, I don't care if we don't talk to each other for three years. You're still my friend. yeah

Speaker: know what I mean? So I think Sean and Gus are certainly more like that. Like, no matter when we talk to each other next, it's going to be just as if we just left off.

Speaker: And we're go to fall back into the same um patterns as before. Because we know each other. And like you said, your essentially brothers grew up together since the age of five, says Sean in this thing.

Speaker: um But yeah, I could also see them as they begin to figure out who they want to be in this world, at least for a period of time, maybe drifting a little bit farther than when they were five.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it totally... and like junior and a senior year like when they're starting to make decisions about what's coming next and stuff and gus has a very clear path maybe sean doesn't like i could totally see yeah just and i could also see sean being super supportive of everything gus wants to do and like also not wanting that for himself at all totally yeah i think that's i think sean unapologetically maybe i don't think that's the right word but i think he loves gus no matter what because gus is his best friend unconditionally thank you yeah and unapologetically yes both so cute when he's like what was it he's voted most likely to succeed you think he's gonna date me i know yes so cute so so cute or even at the end

Speaker: yeah like destined like, talking about this whole, like, destined for greatness. Oh, my gosh. yeah it have been onethird Yeah, and and that of being, or, like, his speech, like, the way we get to see, like, Abigail kind of falling for him as he gives that speech. His parents realizing they didn't screw up maybe as bad as it feels like sometimes. Like, it's just, it's really sweet to for everybody to be like,

Speaker: you know, Sean is a good boy. in the yeah um Underneath all of the shenanigans. He really is a sweetheart.

Speaker: yeah The episode itself, the case for this episode. yeah Wait, can I say one more thing about Pretty and Pink before we move on? I don't know if you caught this, but because I was looking into um i had read while back that like John Hughes like didn't like the end of the movie.

Speaker: ah Yes. or like Originally it was supposed to be Ducky. Right. That she ended up with. And then I guess that tested badly. And so they changed it. um And then he made.

Speaker: A different movie. That I can't think of the name. It's like a phrase. What's that movie called? Wait maybe I have that open still. Some kind of wonderful. um Basically made the same movie.

Speaker: And did it the way he wanted to. To begin with. um Okay. But in, they had to do like, they had to get everybody back for like a reshoot for those last like five minutes of the movies when they're ah oh when they're in the prom.

Speaker: And there's this moment where Ducky is sort of like given eyes by this young woman. Yes. And that young woman is the theatrical, first theatrical credit Marlo Vicellio.

Speaker: What? Yes.

Speaker: I did not catch that. Yeah, I was like looking at, I think the Wikipedia and just reading about the ending and I clicked on the woman that they mentioned and it was her and I was like, what?

Speaker: So one of the, I must say the deepest pretty in pink cuts is Marlo herself. That's crazy. And that was her first movie. That is wild.

Speaker: And I could also imagine them having like two or three people left for the part of Marlo and then just being like, oh, you were also originally in Pretty in Pink. Done. You're ours.

Speaker: I don't know. I feel like they might have went and gotten her the other thing. Or went and got her. Yes. like I think they went and got her because the other thing that blew my mind was that i when I was when i clicked on her, i was looking at her Wikipedia.

Speaker: the main role that she is known for is Buffy the Vampire Slayer in the movie version of Buffy the Vampire Slayer something. And in the psych episode, she is a vampire.

Speaker: um my God. So I think that was completely written for her. Oh my God. And I'm like, just delighted by that they astound me like honestly i feel like every time yes it's always something new like no matter how much you drill into this show you always find something new i love it that's crazy yeah let me i gotta get her real name so that we have said it oh yes good call um

Speaker: Christy Swanson. Christy Swanson. Love it. Yeah. Let me see if I can get a screenshot of her. because And I like rewinded and looked and I'm like, that's her.

Speaker: And she's like a little baby. okay That was the other thing with these movies. I just kept going, oh my God, a little baby. Yeah. all these famous people. Oh my God, baby James Spader. Yeah. that That was wild. I was like, wow, I know that guy. And then i'm like, whoa.

Speaker: Oh my God. Baby John Cryer. Oh my God. ni Oh my god, totally. See, now that you say it, I'm like, absolutely. Yes, yes. So, now we can move on to that. Oh my god, and me.

Speaker: Well, and yeah, it's but it's fun to even think like, oh my gosh, baby, like, psych character. Oh my gosh, baby Yang. Yeah. Oh my gosh, baby Trout.

Speaker: know. I know. It's so fun because like, yeah, Ally Sheedy's like the only one who kind of I could see Yang in that, in Alice.

Speaker: But the other two, and I guess Molly Ringwald. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All of them quite different. Yeah. Even Molly Ringwald, like her character when she is in the show is totally different. Yeah.

Speaker: Then this like very sweet, charming, I guess she is still charming, but she's like devilish, you know, who very different.

Speaker: Oh, and, um, The janitor. huh yeah. He is. He is someone. The future mayor. Swaggerty. Yes.

Speaker: Oh, my God. So it just like, wild.

Speaker: That's, that's crazy. Yeah. He's been in a lot of stuff. Yeah. That guy. His face is like so recognizable. and He came onto the screen. I was like, oh, my God. I know you too. Yeah. maybe be you You're that guy.

Speaker: Yeah, totally. All right, so the episode starts, I want to discuss this, with no flashback. ah Oh, that is a great point.

Speaker: And I felt a little, like, disjointed with being a flashback. I was like, what is happening? was waiting for it. I was waiting for the, you know, doo-doo-doo-doo, like that music that they have in the beginning.

Speaker: That was not the music, but you know what I mean. They have in the beginning and, like, that kind of grainy feel to it. and Henry with more hair. And we didn't get any of that. And I wonder if it's partly because the whole episode is like kind of a flashback. That's what I was going to say. Yeah.

Speaker: How did it start? It literally starts in the gym. Yeah. In a moment. Yeah. was like, did we come in like the breakfast club where we have the montage? But no, we was just so right there. Yeah. That would have been fun because the end is very breakfast club. Yeah.

Speaker: That probably would have felt like too much had they done both ends. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, they're just, they're already in the gym. Everything's set up. Gus is talking Sean about the tag, having everyone wear their old yearbook photo. Oh, Gus. And then Sean puts on. He's so dedicated. He's so cute.

Speaker: He's put so much into this. He has. And also, that was my question about it being the 13th year. Was it the 13th because it just took him three extra years to plan this?

Speaker: Do they make a nod to that? I kind of felt like they didn't. did but maybe I'm just thinking of when they're like knowing us it'll be the 23rd yeah that was the other thing and I was like okay but why is it the 23rd take him so long or does he just like threes I feel like there was reason probably just missed it knowing me just Sean this night has been 13 years in the making everything has to go perfectly 13 year retrospective they mentioned 13 a lot

Speaker: 13 year peace offering. So theoretically. A 13 foot drop. Oh. This is spooky. Why do they keep referencing 13? 13 years overdue. Is the next episode, what's the next episode?

Speaker: Is it Tuesday the seventeenth No, that's like, I think that's right before you the finale, I believe. i was going to say, it because that would be hysterical. They're like hinting for Friday the 13th, but they make it Tuesday the 17th.

Speaker: Yes. Yeah, that's episode 15. Let's see. Darn, so close.

Speaker: Anyone else notice their reunion is 13 years after their graduation? that normal? No. But neither are they, so... worked it out haha Sean makes a joke at the end of the 20th reunion that'll actually be the 23rd reunion that's not why that's not working it out that does not help 13 would mean that they're like 31 yeah maybe they just don't you'd just like to say it yeah maybe they don't so I i guess yeah I would think it's because Gus is such a perfectionist

Speaker: Maybe he's, well, because 10, if 10 would have been season one, he was too busy with psych. True. True. Maybe he's been postponing it all this time. Yeah. And maybe, like, getting closer sir again with Sean and, like, spending all this time with him reminded him how much he wanted to continue the His pep captain responsibilities.

Speaker: Pep captain ways.

Speaker: Yeah, was done ah very it was very cute. Like it was very well thought out. As Sean said, he really transformed the place. you would have not known that it was a gym yeah that was funny where's the gymnasium this is the gymnasium yeah he's like right here we're in it yeah and it's just like so it's literally just a reunion which I didn't go to my high school reunion did you go to your high school reunion 10 year we didn't have one My yeah captains were not on top of it.

Speaker: Apparently we had one and I was just never aware. And then someone happened to say like, oh, did you go to the reunion? i was like, I didn't even know we were having a reunion. Like, no, I didn't. It's okay. That's what you get for not being on social media. Yeah. No, you're totally right. Without a doubt. I'm sure they promoted the heck out of it on there. And I just.

Speaker: That's where they're collecting pictures and finding everybody. So. That's probably your you missed That's fair. um Not that I feel like I missed out because I feel like I relive middle and high school almost every day of my life.

Speaker: ah yeah No, thanks. Don't need go back there. So we're at a um we're at a reunion, a 13-year reunion. And as a reunion does, we have everybody from the graduating year, which was 1995, which I was like, wow.

Speaker: Aw. Whackadoodle. Yeah. You know, everyone starts showing up. the The freaks, the geeks, the jocks, the nerds, the, what do they call basket cases, right?

Speaker: All of the good stuff, the prom queen. And Sean, of course, has to be silly. And the criminal's. And the criminals, I forgot about the criminals. You're right. They're very much there.

Speaker: Yes. And they are everything. They are not. They're committing murder. Yeah. Separately defined. um Yeah. So someone ends up going, someone ends up dying. However, Sean, the like gag of the episode is that Sean doesn't know who or how or who did it or where the body is.

Speaker: has to figure all of that out. It's so He keeps trying to like get people to believe him. Yes. And then, nobody, no crime, Sean. Nobody, no but Which I was thinking, we should probably put that on a t-shirt because they explicitly say, he explicitly says, you should put that on a t-shirt.

Speaker: Yes. Nobody, no crime, Sean. Yeah. And i love how he's like, do you guys have posters of that? And she's no, it's just something we say. Yeah. Jules, the straight man being like, just something we say.

Speaker: Yeah. Come on, Sean. So earnest with him. yeah Yeah. So the the whole episode is essentially them trying to figure out who has been murdered, where the body is, and who murdered them while also, you know, falling back and into, like, feelings for Abigail and also trying to help Gus with his thing and Henry and Maddie showing up.

Speaker: it Yeah. That's a very fun dynamic. The kind of spark for this is that walking through the halls with Abigail Sean sees a body fall.

Speaker: I do love, I guess, like, again, with his confidence, it's like he does not question what he saw. know, he is like, this is what he does. Yeah, he knows what he saw. he's good at what he does.

Speaker: Yeah. And so like, from the start, it's never like, did I see what I think I saw? It's just like, somebody died here. You have to believe me. Yes. Yeah. And I like to that.

Speaker: The question from everybody else is never, Sean, are you sure? That's true. It's just you don't have body. but Yeah. We can't do anything about that.

Speaker: Correct. Which I think shows the confidence that everyone else has in him as well. And as he gains more information, then everyone buys in a little bit more.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. But yeah, it's very fun seeing him with like as little information as possible. Yeah. And I also love the moment where, because he drags Abigail and Gus out to where he's sure the body fell.

Speaker: And I guess it's just like, are you doing on purpose? Yeah. Again. Sabotaging me. yes He's like, what's wrong with you?

Speaker: Yeah, and that's a very consistent theme this series at this series, this season so far with Gus, both last episode and this episode. He thinks John is out to get him. Very true. In some way.

Speaker: wonder And maybe part of that attitude is from the last episode because oh yeah if we're assuming that was like last week, right in the last couple of weeks, Sean just orchestrated this ridiculous scheme.

Speaker: That's true. His crazy plot. Yeah. And like, he did it to be helpful. Yes, ultimately. His love language is like just shenanigans and lies. Yeah.

Speaker: What a wild love language. But, no, you're totally right. Because that is how he shows people that he loves them, by doing the most ridiculously compulsive things.

Speaker: And through so through all of this, I thought we had a very nice Henry. oh Henry. I just kept being like, Henry. i know, a little baby. When he calls and he...

Speaker: you know, claps for Corbin Bernson, but his performance of awkwardness. Amazing. That's really quite something. s Like, I was just worried that you hadn't eaten, but you've had a salad. So, you know, like, um I feel better now that you had a salad.

Speaker: it's like so uncomfortable. And Maddie's just like, listening like, it's so funny how She's not weirded out.

Speaker: No. Yeah. But at the same time, she does seem to get that Henry's carrying a little something. And she kind of tries to not, well, maybe let him down easy, but just like, you know, I'm just here for work. yeah Right. Just for a little bit.

Speaker: Yes. I mean, I think. Again, after last episode. i don't think she could really think anything else like yeah henry being like in such a nice suit and like even though him and sean are all upset like he's you know being just so sweet and kind and like sean essentially said to her said to her like he's trying to get you back even though he broke your heart and she's like that's true not how it happened sir that's true i feel like we keep coming back to like what's what's going on with her but like what do you think like do you think she's entertaining this

Speaker: Well, you know, if I didn't know anything else about this season, I would say maybe not. Just because she seems so, like, removed, almost.

Speaker: And we have said that she seems kind of cold and, like, distant. Almost like she's not wanting maybe to let herself get involved again. But, you know, later in the season, not.

Speaker: says otherwise.

Speaker: who Yeah. I'm thinking of like that moment, like at the end where Henry is like, I thought maybe you'd want to see my elementary school. Oh yeah. And she's like, she's kind of like, what?

Speaker: But at the same time, like, I don't know. She, it seems like if she were really not about it, like she could shut it down Yes. More.

Speaker: ah Yeah. But she really kind of is playing this game with him, even though she's not super forward about it like that seems to just kind of be her her way. Yeah.

Speaker: She is just kind of cool about things, but she does kind of she's like kind of playing with him, too. Yeah. I imagine it must be, imagine it must be very hard.

Speaker: Like, I can't, I can't, I don't even think I can fathom what must be going through either one of their heads, like, actually having spent a lifetime, Sean's, you know, early childhood slash into adulthood with a person and then That no longer being your person and and going and living a separate life and then coming back to it. Like, that's got to be a lot of very complicated emotions, which I'm sure is part of the reason why later in the season happens.

Speaker: But yeah, i could imagine maybe... both of them are like going back and forth between should I, should I not? Is this a bad idea? Is this very much like Sean? Yeah. no matter I'm thinking too, like they're like thinking about that scene in the car, you know, she's in the bathroom.

Speaker: Were they sitting in the car together? That's kind of a romantic environment. like yeah And it's kind of like they're, he like Henry also says that, you know, this is his school. She did not go there. So like she, maybe she's not from Santa Barbara.

Speaker: Like they're kind of playing in this alternate history too, just the way Sean is, you know, like everybody is kind of dealing with not everybody, but all the Spencers are dealing with this like question of the choices that they've made. And, um,

Speaker: Could things have been different? And it is kind of, i mean, to go back to high school with the woman that you are divorced from h and maybe like imagine that things could have been different. It is like so wild.

Speaker: Yeah. That feels very emotionally draining. um Just like a lot to, a lot to be dealing with in that moment. I'm sure. Should go back to where we left, where we were? Yeah.

Speaker: a oh yeah so they're super awkward and well in the yes okay that original phone call my favorite just my favorite line my favorite little bit is at the end when he was and ba ba boom and then oh my god oh he mouthed himself o

Speaker: It's so classic. Yes, totally. They're really living rom-com too. like In a way, even though they've had a whole life, like you said. but yeah I mean, just that idea of like, oh God, why did I say that? like That's so tropey.

Speaker: Yeah. It's so funny.

Speaker: And it's just like, it's so endearing yeah to see like Henry who comes off as this very like gruff, you know stone cold kind of person in at the front just being like, That's true. This is probably, i mean, one of the most humanizing arcs for Henry. Yeah. Oh, totally.

Speaker: Definitely. and we're going to see some other crazy arcs for Henry, but yeah, definitely. I agree with you there. And then we go back to the... the prom question mark says shawn to jewels a bunch times and we are trying to convince us to like get onto this case because shawn saw a body drop he saw it and if you guys can say it more than anybody nobody no crime shawn yeah nobody no crime shawn guys like shouting it as he walks away

Speaker: He's like, okay, if you're not going to get on this, like, I'm going to get someone involved. I'm going to call Lasseter. And lo and behold, as he calls Lasseter, phone rings in the distance.

Speaker: And there we see Lassie. i love that we also see him reject it. Yes. He's like, absolutely not. Not going to happen. And, ah of course, they just go and walk over to him because they're Sean and Gus.

Speaker: And I love that Lassie's like, first off, of course, this has to be a reunion. just my work. That same resignation. like Yeah. Of course.

Speaker: Of course. They are intertwined, Lassie and these guys. He can't shake them. Yeah. And again, it's like, this isn't the biggest town the world. It's not like you're in New York City. Yeah. You're going to reunion for a high school. Like, what did you think? That's true. Yeah. It's Santa Barbara high school.

Speaker: Yeah. This is where the Santa Barbara people went. Correct. All of them. And that includes John. And Lassie's there on a date with Mindy, who is wearing a very satiny yellow dress.

Speaker: And she, from the start, Is a character. Yes. Like she's very, I don't even know how to describe her. Sean describes her as the world's bitchiest banana.

Speaker: She is, she's mean to them. Yeah, she's not. Yeah, she's not. Oh, she's acting like Gus wants to date her. And she's like, I'm already here with someone.

Speaker: Who she doesn't even know. very presumptuous. Carlton's name. She keeps calling him the wrong name. Yeah. And they met. like ah a week ago at a sitar concert yeah yeah which I love that for Lassie um he needs a little bit of yeah calming sitar music why not And she has a whole interesting storyline this episode of trying to get back together with her high school sweetheart and wanting Lassie to Who's married. Who's married.

Speaker: Yeah. And wanting Lassie to like hit on the wife so that get back together. Yeah. She's basically just using Lassie. totally she gets mad at him when he doesn't want to do all the stuff and then we find out some interesting information about what she has in her purse so she's quite the lady quite the lady think let's see does have that kind of like gus actually like that kind of john watson like he craves ah excitement And also maybe like deviation because he is so rigid. I mean, he's not, I was going to by the book, but he's really not that by the book. He's like... No, yeah. he kind of goes the other way.

Speaker: Yes. um He's like extreme a different way. And so maybe like he needs a more morally nuanced person in a different direction to be with.

Speaker: I think that's fair. So Sean tries... to get Lassie on board with this by saying that he's figured out who's been killed.

Speaker: Because when him, Gus, and Abigail went outside, they saw this little pin, broken pin on the ground, an S and a C. And Gus informed Sean that the S and the C stood for state champs of the football team and sean of course rolls through through his rolodex of memory information and sees that the only person there who was wearing the sc pin was howie tolkien who was the quarterback of the school and was the prom king And he very loudly proclaims that he is the one who was killed when, lo and behold, him and his wife, Eileen Maxwell, end up both walking back into the gymnasium. So, not Howie.

Speaker: Question mark, though, as to who it is, because, again, Howie was the only one with the state champs pin on his jacket. So... Sean ends up calling Jules. If Lassie's not to believe him. Maybe Jules. Yeah.

Speaker: yeah He's another confidant to bring into this. Yeah. Because he's gone through Gus. He's gone through Lassie. Yeah. He is. He's just going through the checklist of who's going help him. And Jules is so freaking cute in this episode.

Speaker: ah She is. love her in this little pink dress. I was like. No. She's pretty in pink. She is pretty in pink. Oh my God. She's so adorable. Yeah, and they keep calling it a prom dress. That's true. Bringing it back to pretty. Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, that is true. And it's funny because every time I watch this, I'm like, that does not look like a prom dress at all. Agreed. it doesn't look anything like a prom dress. I mean, I guess I could see Vic saying that because maybe in her environment, like.

Speaker: Sure. They dress outlandish. Yeah. In suits at work. So it's like, that's, yeah, that's like a prom dress. I would say Mindy's dress was closer to a prom dress than Jules' dress was.

Speaker: Yeah. Even like for prom, I think of like floor length. Yeah. True, yes. Flowier. Yeah, poof. Yeah, crystals. And Sean even says there's slight poof, and I'm like, where? There's poof. Maybe in the cinching, like, maybe you could call that poof, because there's, like, texture, but there's not really poof. It's like a sheath.

Speaker: But anyway, she looks adorable. She's got her hair all wavy, which we rarely see. Maybe the last time we saw that was, like, speed dating. True. Yeah, she really has her hair but completely down like that. yeah Absolutely nothing on her head. like Sometimes even if she wears a down, she'll put like a headband or something. But yeah she has it completely down, nice and styled.

Speaker: She's ever so cute. Yeah. I do love when she comes into and Sean is standing with there oh yeah the brains, the nerds.

Speaker: Yes. um and the And I love the one guy who's like, you're just like us, marginally employed, single. I think never been married, but marginally employed. i love that.

Speaker: you Like is, Like, you could put him in this category. Totally. And then Jules walks in like a smoke show and he's like, what do I do?

Speaker: You have a girl and she's hot.

Speaker: Well, Enchon too is like really a total brainiac. He just yeah is a dissenter, like constantly. He doesn't want to play into to all the norms Yeah, I guess in this episode, they both, both being Sean and Gus, like, get to show, which is the dream for a high school reunion, like, to show how accomplished they are.

Speaker: oh sure. And just how, like cool they are yeah well and and we have that scene with Gus again where we get this yes this theme for Gus of like pharmaceuticals is just not enough for him yeah like really that's all you're doing yeah and um I don't remember the ointment that he was talking about but I was like mucus reducers yeah which is so funny you know maybe you yeah I really don't know what pharmaceutical sales people do but it sounds like he makes this I don't know

Speaker: I mean, maybe it's like a combination that he. Yeah, maybe. sales I don't know how that works. I don't know. But I feel like, you know, it's just a job.

Speaker: Their jobs don't have to define us. But then he talks about his psychic detective agency on the side. And that's like the coolest thing in the world. And they're solving a murder right now.

Speaker: Yeah. And it kind of shows how they're Santa Barbara famous because he's like, we did all these things. And she's like, that's you? He's talking to some other classmate, former classmate, trying to flirt with her. And she's like, until he says, he's a psychic detective.

Speaker: Yes. Which, I mean, honestly, really cool flex. Yeah. So Sean drags Jules over to talk to Howie and Eileen. and they look so cute talking to them.

Speaker: i know. It's just fun seeing them. know. And Jules gets his humor about taping Larry's butt cheeks together. Yes.

Speaker: And we kind of see what a... oh douchey can i say that yeah yes um like howie is like a real douche girl yeah um i mean talking about like how like jobs defining us he is gonna run for state assembly and then i love how he says and after i fix the state of california then i'm gonna write a motivational book and it's gonna be called what was it called move it or move it sean and jules both jump

Speaker: Yeah, so funny. And I just love him talking about running for state assembly, too, because he's like, I'm running for state assembly because, you know, I care about the issues. Like, uh-huh. He just seems like a, yeah. Sure you do.

Speaker: Yeah, like, he he seems like the, I don't want to say like the James Spader in Pretty in Pink, but you know what i mean? That like kind of stuff. Of all the characters? Yeah. Yeah. Like my dad is going to, you know, set all this up for me. Like, don't worry.

Speaker: yeah Kind of a guy. And this seems like, okay, this is the next step for him. Like whatever he was doing beforehand was kind of successful. So he wants to, you know, run for state assembly. That's kind of like being president of the whatever. Right.

Speaker: It's like the next popularity thing. Right. Exactly. new Another popularity contest. Totally. Totally. Not that it should be because it shouldn't be. It should be based on the issues, however.

Speaker: but for Howie, that's certainly yeah what he's looking for. Oh, and then Sean wants to go so snooping in some other places. And he wants to go to the library specifically, which felt like a breakfast club. Definitely. A subtle little nod.

Speaker: Yes, especially since we just got the the very direct reference. Yeah. um And I have to say, that library freaking gorgeous. In the breakfast of?

Speaker: Oh my gosh. I was like, this is a beautiful. Is this what? Yeah, the levels. I was like, oh my god, the stair. Yeah, the levels, the sectioning, that beautiful sculpture. i was like, this is so cool.

Speaker: The entire like ceiling was freaking light. It was so nice. was like, I wish. That'd be so cool. Yeah. Yeah, they want to go to the library, but he needs... Everything's locked up.

Speaker: Right. Because, of course, we don't trust adults in a school building. Fair enough. Lots of nooks and crannies in there. Yeah, it's true. It's true. So...

Speaker: Sean calls Henry asking him to find a box for him that he needs. He the sequel to the salad conversation. Yes. Because first he's asking Henry to find the box. Henry has no idea what he's talking about. And then he's like, oh, I forgot. Mom is here. Just call mom.

Speaker: And Henry's like, I can't call her. I already called her and she had a salad and she had a salad. What? Just call her. and Yeah, he's just like, ah like beside himself. kind of face What I just said.

Speaker: oh or do that But he does it. You know, he calls Maddie. And they go into the attic and they are looking through all of the stuff, their lives, as Maddie says.

Speaker: Another, just a continuation of like... Yes. These themes of just going back in time. Yes, yes. Revisiting. And I loved... You were... being up there like i thought it was so funny that all the boxes that they had were like crime but like knock silent boxes boxes case yeah notes boxes i was like henry you would totally do that um yeah considering all the matchbox cars that he got sean were police cars oh my gosh of course he also stores all of his stuff in police record boxes

Speaker: they end up finding what sean's looking for maddie finds the box and they just bring the whole thing to the reunion because why not so funny them walking in like i just henry put a blazer on yeah and then sean comes running through and is like hi hi what are you doing here Nobody else's parents are really here.

Speaker: but so It's adorable. Yes. Again, so high school. And Maddie. Embarrassing me, mom. I must say hi. Yeah. I have to say hello. Yes.

Speaker: I feel like are getting a little bit of pleasure from. Oh, of course. Yeah. Embarrassing Sean in this way. As I think, you know, some parents do.

Speaker: Yeah. Embarrassing their children. all the trouble he's caused them. Yeah, for real. And inside the box, we find something very important. Sean has a massive ring of like a hundred keys because he is an active member of the Trans-American Western Custodial Union. Yeah.

Speaker: and has a duplicate of every single key for the school of course of course he does yeah of course of course he does So he, yeah, he needs the keys to get around the school, obviously unabated. So him and Abigail go onto the roof and do some breakfast club dancing, which I thought was adorable.

Speaker: They almost kiss, which I'm like, ah, so close. But Sean sees some very important evidence. It's kind fun to like, that he's very invested in this, but at the same time, cannot.

Speaker: like yeah separate from the crime. Like that is. Yes. It's life. Yeah. His focus. it and Yes. I also thought it was fun too, to see him like with somebody that you gets him.

Speaker: and feel like every time we've seen him like with women up until this point, it's been someone who's like, ha ha, you're so funny. Or like who just doesn't get. him as a person, you know what i mean And Abigail's just like, you're ridiculous and silly, and I cannot believe you currently have your hands smushed on my face.

Speaker: Like, what? Yeah. But I also, like, ah I also feel like with other, with women, we see him often like not showing his full self to them and he i feel like he does kind of almost try that or he starts there with abigail because he like has that whole lie about midwifery that's why he stood her up because he was working as a midwife in high school which is yeah like he goes on and on about this and he and so he kind of starts there with her and then by the end he is honest which is not

Speaker: like ah second nature to him yeah but another thing about that moment like him being so close to kissing her and then seeing how he's bootmark and being totally redirected i feel like kind of foreshadows like why they can't why they break up because like she kind of that's where they land is she's like this is too much for me Like, this is not the life I want.

Speaker: No, that's it that's a great point. Yeah, and they they even reference in this episode, she's a teacher. So she has theoretically a very, like, stable, safe job.

Speaker: And, you know, Sean's out here getting shot at by murderers. So that's, yeah, I think that's fair. And maybe even, like, in this case, the ah crime comes first.

Speaker: Yeah. He ultimately is choosing the chooses that. Right. And I can imagine that being very, very difficult to handle as well. On top of that, know, kidnapping and all of that stuff.

Speaker: Yeah. Well, my gosh. I mean, not to get, like, too off into the future. When are we ever on time? don't know. What are we doing? But couple of things.

Speaker: So on that note, I feel like Abigail, like, you know, she gets she gets him, but, like, the him that... was high school. And then like Jules is like sees this new him and this other side of him. Like she's more in the correct current him.

Speaker: But the other thing, like just thinking about like him choosing to look at how he's the print. And then like this whole episode being about choices. And then the Mysterian Presents being about choosing between the two women.

Speaker: Yes. That, I mean, because not what we were thinking about last time about the, like, Jules and Abigail kind of representing these two versions of his life.

Speaker: Yes. That is emphasized down to the very last moment where he has to kind of decide where to go. yeah And that's what yin mr yin does to him is force him to confront that in a very literal way yeah well and like It's so tough, too, because even in even in that episode and him having to choose, he makes a choice. But it's also still kind of a non-choice yeah because he he goes to to not ruin it all. But he goes to Abigail.

Speaker: But he sends Gus, the only other person that he would possibly trust with Jules, to Jules. And he knows that Carlton is going to be there, too. Yeah. So it's like I'm i I have to pick one for the sake of all of this.

Speaker: I have to pick one. But I'm not not picking the other. if that makes sense. Yeah. And really, like, you know, thinking about like, to the extent that it is his choice, which path he's taking, what it really comes down to, in the end, is that it's Abigail's choice to say, i don't want this anymore which as you know as I'm talking about like these women representing things I do like that better because yeah I don't want to reduce these female characters to like Sean's you know what they mean to Sean but um it is cool that like you know it is so much about this choice but as you said he's not really making a choice but also in the end she is choosing for him yes well it's

Speaker: Did I write it down? It's like that line in Pretty in Pink.

Speaker: And it doesn't match perfectly, but the dad says to Ducky, you can love Andy. That doesn't mean she's going to love you back. You can't make it happen. It either will or it won't.

Speaker: hu It's kind of like, in a sense, like the theming is kind of the same in that like, you can love Abigail completely. You can choose Abigail, but she might not choose you. And yeah because it's a relationship, because it's two people,

Speaker: um you both have to be invested in it. And yeah, you you making the decision doesn't ultimately mean that that is going to be the decision. Yeah.

Speaker: And I do feel like that is kind of like, I mean, I think people probably deal with that forever. I mean, like Henry and Maddie are, Henry is dealing with that. Like he loves her. She chose to leave him.

Speaker: um But like, it also feels very high school, like lookrk like kind of coming to terms with the fact that like, you are, as you said, like in relationships with people and like, you are not like, it's always a contract. You don't get to decide yes what you mean to each other.

Speaker: Yes. It's like a partnership, which in like the breakfast club, like they are all deciding that they do mean something to each other together.

Speaker: Yeah. I mean, I think,

Speaker: Yeah, it's a very like middle school, high school, coming of age kind of problem, right? And a I can't remember exactly if it's referenced in David Foster Wallace's commencement speech.

Speaker: But that's what kind of popped into my head, this idea that like you have only ever experienced your life through your two eyes. However, that does not make you the center of the universe. rightly You are not the only one participating in this thing.

Speaker: Yeah. And to think of yourself as the only deciding factor is diminishing to to others is that the right word yeah well I do I mean thinking of that like I kind of felt like that considering the endings and alternate endings of Pretty in Pink you know like thinking of who gets to win that movie like for me it made sense the ending that they landed on made sense like that is ultimately who she liked and what she wanted it's interesting that they're that the original story would

Speaker: have her end up with Ducky. um And that it seems, I think a lot of people still maybe feel like she should have, I mean, it seems like it probably goes both ways.

Speaker: Yeah. But that movie, like, I mean, Ducky loves her so much, but like, I never really felt like we saw her feeling romantic toward him.

Speaker: No, I, the, movie it actually gave me like kind of c creepy vibes because of how little she reciprocated at the start I did not know if they were friends it surprised me later when they were best friends I was like oh so she like yeah so I mean I'm fascinated don't think they changed anything else or even like the the moment when he when she essentially says like she doesn't feel the same way and he's just like we're not friends anymore I'm like that is that right there you like giant red flag dude like you don't deserve her like if you don't want to be friends with her just because she doesn't like her then what you've been friends with her this whole time just because you like her like that's no good yeah like a better journey for ducky is that he doesn't get her yeah and he has to like figure out who he is without her

Speaker: To be fair, I didn't really like the other guy that much either. I didn't love the fact that he like also kind of blew her off. But again, it's high school. like Yeah. so I mean, I feel like he learned lesson.

Speaker: i feel like he learned his lesson i I think it's so hard because I think high school, from an adult perspective, high school is very easy to see, like, make this decision, don't make that decision. Yeah. When your prefrontal cortex is yet to been developed ah developed and everything in the world seems like the most impactful thing, it is going to change the trajectory of your life right back psych.

Speaker: Every little thing is so important and important. so impactful that it's not such a clear, straightforward answer in that moment, right? Like losing your friends might really be in your mind, ah way more impactful thing, way more important than this girl who you just met a week ago, right? Like it. Yeah.

Speaker: Well, and it was his whole identity. Like, right. And I do feel like his performance probably, made it work for me well enough, like, because he seemed so distraught by, like, the choices he was having to make. And even in the end, like, when reading about the reshoot, I guess the actor,

Speaker: who his name dropped in the psych episode, but yes something McCarthy, think. Andrew. Andrew McCarthy. um I guess he had he was in a play when they brought everybody back for the reshoot and he had cut his hair and like lost some weight and stuff. So they had to put a wig on him and stuff. And I felt like in that last scene, he looked like he was going through it, which makes sense because he physically was different than the rest of the movie.

Speaker: And I was like, why does he look strange? Like he like pale, but I felt like it worked because I'm like, okay, well, he looks like he has, been feeling terrible about himself for the past several days.

Speaker: It's so funny that you mentioned that too because I just, I remember that last scene and I was like, why is it so dark? Maybe they were like trying to mask. yeah Let's try and keep him in the shadows as much as possible.

Speaker: Yeah. I mean, it's a complex movie. those Those are some complex relationships. Like it's not easy breezy. And I think It can be hard, too, with those kinds of movies because they wrap up kind of like what we were talking about with romantic comedies. Like, you don't see what happens after that.

Speaker: So, I mean, maybe they last, maybe they don't. Maybe he, you know, deserves her. Maybe he doesn't. But at the same time, like, when it comes to love, it doesn't always matter. Like, sometimes you make accommodations for people because you love them.

Speaker: um But, yeah. don't know. Because they just kind of kiss and it's over. Yeah, literally. Yeah, they're like at the prom, they leave, they kiss, and then it's done.

Speaker: Knowing that they did have to kind of do that after the fact, it may have said on the Wikipedia like how, like he may have written it in like a few days or something. It did feel, because he's just like, okay, John Hughes wrote it.

Speaker: he be And then he is just like, he as in Andrew McCarthy is just like, I love you. Yeah. Yes. And then they go outside and she's okay. Yeah.

Speaker: That's pretty much it. Yes. and And then she has that moment with Ducky where Ducky kind of is like, you better go get him. Yes. Before, yeah, before they go outside.

Speaker: And I do feel like for Ducky, like, you know, as trid it as it as trite as it is, he should love her enough to let her go. Yeah. No, I...

Speaker: I agree. Because again, as we said, it takes two people. Two people to be in a relationship. the other person doesn't love you or want to be with you, it doesn't matter what you do.

Speaker: It's not going to end. Yeah. She doesn't owe you anything. Correctamundo. Oh, yeah. Correctamundo. Absolutely. She doesn't owe you anything. Okay. So we see... Back to psych.

Speaker: Yeah. So we see the boot print on the ground in the dirt, and Sean recognizes it as Howie's Western boot print, like a very distinctive boot, I suppose.

Speaker: And... they realized that okay he wasn't the person killed but he was involved he was the person who was doing the killing no way no so they go and they do some research him and gus in the library where abigail is gone i'm not quite sure is this after gus flirted with that woman By saying he's a psychic detective. Because I feel like that is kind of the turning point for him when he decides he's going to help.

Speaker: has Yeah. Because he's like, this is giving me more social capital than anything else. I think so. Yeah, I think it is right after that. And while they're looking through yearbooks, I guess to like see if they notice anything.

Speaker: Yeah, and I think see who else was around, like who might have been yes in their sphere. Well, and they also know that there are... Was it 17 people that didn't show up? That, like, didn't take their name tags? Oh, they're looking them. They use part of that information in all this.

Speaker: Yeah. And as they're looking, Sean ends up clocking a familiar figure in many of the photos that Eileen and Howie are in. And I love that he says, Ducky, we've been looking in the wrong John Hughes movie.

Speaker: I was like, yeah, totally. And then he starts, you know, talking about love And I will say everything we just said about Ducky and them does really not apply to this. No. Yes. That's so true. He really just references Ducky in the respect that there's a third person. They are three people.

Speaker: Yeah, that's really it. Because there's like, it doesn't seem, at least we didn't hear anything about a romantic interest between Eileen and who we later find out his name is Peter.

Speaker: Or Howie and Peter for that matter. I mean, I don't, yeah I mean, maybe that was part of why Peter was sort of had deference for them. Yeah. We don't really know how he feels. He's not here to speak for himself, but yeah, from what i don't, know I don't think they can be fully like, like for like compared to a pretty and pink. Yeah. there No, i innocent I would agree.

Speaker: I would agree with But I guess also it's, you know, 13 years on. So maybe in 13 years, yeah. That's what they will seem like. I don't know. I hope not. I hope not. That would not be fun.

Speaker: So they see that this guy who we later find out's name is Peter Coltern. He was really good in like auto body shop, which I was kind of wondering if that was also a reference to the breakfast club. Yeah, the whole shop thread. Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah. allhop threaded And I don't know if they were talking about wood shop or auto body shop, but regardless, shop. Well, was interesting in the breakfast club because he says shop and then they made a lamp, which. Yes. he' neither Which it at my high school would have been in ceramics.

Speaker: Ceramics. Yeah. Or like art class. Yeah. maybe know yeah I could see if it was like auto body shop, like ah maybe electrical wiring.

Speaker: And maybe they just have one class that was just all the sort of hand. Yes. hands-on experiential tactile things yes yes certainly could be who knows so they um they end up going to the auto body shop which we referenced before we fully leave that scene i just want to a couple gus things because so gus is coming from that conversation with that woman i believe and her kind of being like that's all you are like you were the most he was most likely to succeed most likely to

Speaker: ah Achieve greatness? Yeah, something about greatness. yes Yeah, because so when we meet him and they're looking through the yearbook, he's like struggling with that and being like, you know, as we said, the classic kind of Gus conundrum of like, is he enough?

Speaker: And I loved Sean being like, dude, the perfect cocoa roundness of your head alone makes you great. Which I feel it's funny, but also like kind of like what we talk about, like what is the value of ah a person and a life, you know, like, yeah he, like, what does, why does he have to achieve in order to be great? And like to Sean, his existence is all that is necessary.

Speaker: Yeah. It's so sweet. Yeah. And then interesting to see, like, i think we all, I think we all as people struggle with existential questions as we discussed earlier however i think it's really nice to see that we all struggle with different existential questions so gus is struggling with this question of is he enough where sean's struggling with the question of is he choosing the right things yeah that's very true they're both kind of going through this like

Speaker: Return to what high school kind of set in motion for them. These are themes that high school set in motion for them, but they are like kind of different trajectories. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see if we get more.

Speaker: i'm I'm, well, we are going to definitely get more of Gus question mark. Am I enough? Yeah. In the cog kind of sense. Yeah. I know. i think that episode is a little later on. like i Yeah. and And knowing where we started with him with the professional,

Speaker: life and kind of dealing with that yeah it'll be interesting to see like what all happens for him this season um and then i feel like this is one of my favorite gus don't be uh gus don't be an incorrigible eskimo pie with a caramel ribbon sounds delicious i want that okay i want him to be that because i want that yeah I know. Sometimes I do think, like, if I think too hard about those, I'm like, what's bad about that? What does this mean? Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, because there's one... Not even what's bad about but what is Sean trying to say? Yes. What quality does the escobo pie have that he doesn't want Gus to have in this moment? well because one that sticks in my brain always is Gus, don't be a gooey chocolate chip cookie. Like, but ah again, why is that bad?

Speaker: Be a gooey chocolate chip cookie. Maybe, like, don't be a softie. Oh, maybe. I could see that being applicable... Okay.

Speaker: Both so the chewy to the chocolate chip cookie and the Eskimo pie. All right. um right We're going to have to... Incorrigible Eskimo pie. going to look at the definition of incorrigible. I was just going to I mean, I've heard it like, oh, you're incorrigible, but what does it actually mean?

Speaker: Oh, it means not incorrigible. Oh, very helpful.

Speaker: Bad beyond correction or reform. Okay. Okay. impervious to constraints or punishment, willful, unruly, uncontrollable, uncontrollable firmly fixed, not easily changed, not easily swayed or influenced.

Speaker: Okay, so maybe he's saying like stop being stuck in that moment. okay Kind of a thing. When were Eskimo pies popular?

Speaker: was say, i don't even know if I've ever had an Eskimo pie. Do I even have the correct identity? Yeah. Like thinking, am I thinking of the correct thing? think also Eskimo's like not PC.

Speaker: So now it's Eddie's pie. Eddie's pie. Chocolate-covered vanilla ice cream and then with a caramel ribbon.

Speaker: That sounds delicious. I want that. wonder if that was like a childhood thing because then, yeah, like like you said, I'm stuck in the past.

Speaker: Yeah. Okay, well, we broke that down. but they They start to do that a lot as the seasons progress. We definitely, we also got, I think we missed it, but wait for it.

Speaker: Wait for it. Yeah, right before you see the shoe. Yeah, we're getting into the psychisms. Yeah, the longer and longer. and It's... Yes.

Speaker: So, we go to the auto-buy shop. And inside we see Henry in the car. The place was open. Sean didn't even need his keys. Henry didn't even need his keys for that matter. um Someone must have been there before then. Yes, wink, wink.

Speaker: and And then we get the very, we talked about the the Maddie scene, Maddiness of this. We get like some real deep Henry Sean conversation here. Yes. We get into all the existentialism.

Speaker: Dad, do you think you can miss out on a moment? And this is like a whole thing with them. And I love, I mean, again, speaking to where we left, where we just left our characters, like,

Speaker: Things were tense for Sean and Henry. And then yeah where we left them was Sean seeing Henry in a brand new light of, ah He actually was the broken hearted one.

Speaker: And maybe that is what allows Sean to kind of open up to him here because like, I could see that thinking like maybe he's never really thought about his father as like in terms of emotion before and like how he might be feeling. And now it's like, he's going through some romantic troubles and his dad is too. Maybe he doesn't want to think about it in those terms, but yeah he now knows that.

Speaker: yeah and i i just i love henry's advice here because we really do keep getting the like a moment like one moment you like change my entire life and henry's advice is life's not made up of a single moment yeah and i love the kind of shift because first yeah the snapping is so funny and i like that little comedic moment of shot being like What? yeah What's happening?

Speaker: um But because when Sean first asks, do you think you can miss on a moment? Henry immediately is like, yes. And then like as Sean kind of explains.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Then Henry's like, It's not jet like, i don't know. It's not that he kind of goes back on it, but he also, I guess, expands on what he means. Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah. and And I like at the very end, too, he says that he suspects Sean wouldn't be, suspect you wouldn't be you, which is also such a hard thing to think about because with Again, thinking about like high school with our adult eyes, right?

Speaker: It's so easy to go back and say, you should have done this or you should have done that or why didn't you do this, right? But in that moment, like that decision made sense. who And you might not be the person that you currently are. And would you risk that? Like, would you give up? back to Emilio Estevez too. Like, I mean, he will probably never forget that he made a choice that he wished he didn't make. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker: And he shouldn't forget that, you know, like that will haunt him. that poor kid.

Speaker: Yeah. And I love this conversation, too, thinking about like Henry saying this to Sean and probably thinking about his own, like what he's got going on tonight, too. Yeah. um Thinking like, if it might be possible, if he could have another chance.

Speaker: Yeah. What might he have done? i wonder if he, the way he answered that so quickly, like, I wonder if there is a moment where he feels like he lost Maddie. Because I feel like that would be hard in a marriage to drill down to a singular moment because it seems in popular culture that, you know, like it's something that happens over time.

Speaker: People drift apart a lot of times, at least. I mean, there in this marriage, there wasn't like infidelity or anything like that. So. Sure. um Yeah. I wonder what he's thinking about.

Speaker: Yeah. Well, and I think, too, like when you when one thinks about any relationship, like not even romantic or. Matrimonial?

Speaker: Is that the correct word? Sure. That makes sense. Like any relationship, you know, it's i feel like it's very rare unless there is something egregious that happens for one thing to take place and someone to just go, done.

Speaker: You know, usually it is like little things that build up over time and over time. And then maybe one thing broke the camel's back, proverbially speaking. But that one thing is piled on top of everything else.

Speaker: yeah So even if that one moment was different, maybe that moment wouldn't have broke the camel's back. her But a moment would have. Right, right.

Speaker: So, yeah, I think, yeah, some things are, again, more nuanced. Yeah. And maybe that is like, as they continue to talk, like as Henry... goes on to say that moments are happening all the time. Like maybe that's kind of what he means.

Speaker: Yeah. Like there's no singular decision changes everything. And I guess we kind of see that in Sean and Abigail's relationship because they do kind of get another opportunity. Well, he gets an opportunity to be honest in a way that he has never been with her.

Speaker: h Yeah. It it makes me think too Sean's thinking of this one moment with abigail i feel like it's implied that if he made this decision to go on this date with abigail like everything would have worked out in his entire life right would have been different on a different path but just because he went on the state didn't mean that it was all going to go according to plan like what he had in his mind like maybe they would have gone on the state and realized like yeah no we're just not right for each other at this point in time yeah i mean she also says he

Speaker: like pursued her that entire year right so he definitely had in his mind in a i guess in a ducky kind of way that like yes it was gonna be the real deal like with her and then it kind of comes down to it that he's not prepared for that but maybe now he is yeah maybe question mark we don't even yeah but he's still not sure in the end like he's still not sure yeah Another thing with that moment, like, thinking of, because I also loved that line, ah i suspect that you wouldn't be you.

Speaker: And, like, thinking of our other Sliding Doors episode, was, like, we're talking about Sean a lot in terms of kind of romance and relationships, but, like, that Sean has, like, a liar and a fraud.

Speaker: Like, that is also so much part of who he is. And, um like, when it comes down to it, kind of what he's playing with in that episode is, like, Really, this... How Jules finds out the truth.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. And... What her reaction might be. And if she did find out or if she didn't. But in that kind of... You know, speaking to, like, the inevitability, sort of, of, like, two people maybe growing apart. Like, she had to find out.

Speaker: Yeah. At some point. Yeah. And, like, they were never... gonna work if she didn't get to see all of him because she sees she gets the goofy sean she gets the more professional like detective sean in the way like you know we're talking about with this episode like she kind of knows current sean and sort of older sean but like she also needs to know honest sean yeah and especially knowing that juliet is so

Speaker: centered around honesty yes like it is and she brings that up to sean over and over and over and over again so i can also imagine like like you said regardless of when she finds out because it's inevitable this was going to be a big deal because i'm sure in her mind it was like i told you like i told you you needed to be honest with me and that's kind of like yeah speaking to what henry said like that you wouldn't be you like if like for it to go differently, she would have to be somebody else.

Speaker: Right. Which isn't what wouldn't be the woman that Sean loves in the end. So it's like, it's like this, it had to happen this way. And like, yeah I mean, it all works out in the end, but it's like some very tragic themes. It's so tense.

Speaker: Like for it to go differently, it would they would have to be different people. Yes. Yeah. And that, ah yeah. I mean, that's a hard thing to like, grapple with too right because i'm sure most people don't want conflict in their life yeah or if they have conflict i'm sure it's feeding some other uh need right that people have but in that moment right he wants it all to go well he he like he doesn't want her to be mad at him but her not like you said her not being mad at him would mean he's she's a totally different person and like that do you really want that do you really want a different person than the person that you're currently

Speaker: and I don't think he'd say yes to that. No. I know. deep stuff. I know. This is such a good episode. Yeah. I'm also, mean, how we can just talk forever, but I'm also thinking like about how.

Speaker: We should count up how many hours this is. Oh yeah oh my gosh. That's like embarrassing probably, but it's okay. um With like,

Speaker: this episode you know he has these this deceit with abigail this uh letting her down and then trying to explain that away with lies and stuff like that's all some sort of sean stuff and then he gets to be honest with her and like in a way i went like this kind of confessional moment for sean is almost like i don't know maybe like a rehearsal for like in the future he will have to come clean about yes so much yeah and even though he's honest ah with her about this one moment he is still lying to her e yep i mean really the only people that he doesn't lie to full stop are gus and henry

Speaker: And even then he lies to Henry all the time and he lies to Gus all the time. So scratch that. Yeah. It's like the psychic thing. He's not. Yeah. yeah I also feel like we got confirmation in this episode in that she did not react at all that Maddie knows what's going on with the whole psychic thing.

Speaker: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah I think you're right. Yeah, or she would have been like, what are we doing? What's going on? Please explain.

Speaker: Yes. Okay, and then they go back to the police station, which... Okay, yeah, we go back again later, right? i'm in love Him and Jules?

Speaker: I think this is the time. Him, Jules, Gus. They're all there. Oh, yeah, okay, Lassie covering for them. Okay, yes. um I loved this. yeah Our whole gang together. Yeah, so cute.

Speaker: a minute yes yeah because they are all kind of doing slightly separate at least lassie and mindy are doing something slightly separate yes but i love that lassie does not miss the beat and he's like she's helping me yeah so Which, this I also wondered, like, last okay, so Vic comes and is kind of like, you guys aren't working a case, are you?

Speaker: And then like they make up some, you know, cockamamie excuse. And Lassie comes in and he goes, i busting this girl for, you know, filling fake prescriptions. And that's like, fine.

Speaker: So they couldn't be like, hey, we're solving a murder? Well, I think she says that. I think she's talking more to Sean and Gus, and they are not Oh.

Speaker: Like they are consultants, so they don't really get to be working cases, I guess, and using their resources on their own. Got it. Okay. Okay. So I think that's what it is.

Speaker: was like, what are you? i was like, Julianne a detective. Let her detect. Okay. Yeah, I think if Dules was there alone and had come up with something, like, that would probably be fine. but ah Okay.

Speaker: I think Vick is suspicious. Which I love that moment. Classy does cover for them. And she's like, okay, great. And whatever is really going on. i love that. Yeah, you're not getting any of this past me. Yeah.

Speaker: But it is so thick, though. Which is, like, like she... She has to kind of, you know, she is political in that she is the boss, but she also sort of trusts them, I guess, and like wants them to do, you know, she ultimately wants them to solve crimes.

Speaker: Right, right. And they've got an amazing track record. so Yes. Let them have it. So while we're at the police station, we look up some information about Peter Coulter, who we end up finding.

Speaker: Doesn't have a criminal rap sheet, but does have an accident report with his name on it. There was a car accident three days before graduation or very, very close before graduation.

Speaker: And Peter was apparently driving the car that ends up hitting a man who falls into a coma and then later ends up passing. So he goes on to probation for a period of time. Was six years?

Speaker: It was while. And this, like, leads Peter to a life of crime, seemingly. But while they're there, Sean's looking at different pieces of information, and he sees that the seat in the car, the driver's seat in the car, is pushed back very far.

Speaker: intrigue. Peter's not that tall. He also notices that Howie has a bruise on his forehead in a picture in the file, so theoretical theoretically from the incident, and Sean surmises that this means Peter wasn't actually driving, but Howie was driving, and Peter took the rap.

Speaker: I know. What a moment. Yeah, what a decision. Yeah. It's very sad. Very sad. Yeah, this poor guy I'm sure he felt very, very pressured by Eileen and Howie.

Speaker: So we kind of figure out that Peter must be the body, must be the victim, and that something must have been going on. um Sean will eventually reveal eat in the nutshelling.

Speaker: that Peter was likely trying to talk to them or again or maybe blackmail them or what have you. And... because Jules also saw the restraining order that they had put in. Yes.

Speaker: Right, which was filed... Against Peter. Yes, filed the same week that they announced his running for state assembly. So they're trying to do some damage control. Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Well, and... And yeah. And Peter seems to be, like, cracking. Yeah. Which, you know, understandably, yeah this guy who possibly bullied you into, you know, taking the rap for him killing a guy um is now going to be ah state assemblyman?

Speaker: Possibly? Question mark? Like, yeah I'm sure to Peter that feels wrong. Yeah. And maybe, like, if Howie and Eileen sort of made made him feel like they... you know, we're all friends back then. Like they've done nothing for him since.

Speaker: Yes. I think the picture that's kind of painted is like Peter is probably, was probably very impressionable too. and sort of looked up to them so much that he consented to this.

Speaker: And yeah I mean, they probably, you know like Sean looks at everything for all of five seconds and realizes he didn't do it. But like, if he yeah told the and the responding people that he did,

Speaker: they probably didn't look into it anymore and and he just kind of carried that with him and then i would imagine like it didn't take long for howie and eileen to just cut i'm sure it was right after graduation yeah yeah bye-bye but he might have thought like you know they were all in this together and then yeah good no screwed yeah very sad things a moment and a choice gus I know that is really the theme of this. Yeah.

Speaker: A moment and a choice. So they decide in order to find the body, because that's really the only thing that's missing now. They know who. They know how. They know who done it.

Speaker: They just need the body body, no crime. No body, no crime. So they go back. That's so true. I love that. It all comes down to that. They have got to get that body. Yeah.

Speaker: And of course, in the most ridiculous way possible, there's no other way. They go back to the spot where Sean saw the body fall. They're calculating, you know, wouldn't go in through that door or that door. They're too far.

Speaker: And Sean realizes that very close nearby is the girl's locker room, which, of course, he remembers and right off the top of his head. From the outside, from a low, like, basement window, of course. Yeah. Very creepy to think why he knows that window. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Speaker: And ah Sean tells Gus, like, he's got a you know, get in there. i got Like, lower him down. Like, he'll help him, right? And we get one of the best scenes, I think, in the title sequence. Gus hanging on the window.

Speaker: you know, he wants some help getting down, but he, like, doesn't want to release because it seems like a long drop. And Sean's about to help him, but he licks his hands and goes to touch Gus. So Gus, let's go.

Speaker: Yeah. And then the best part is that Sean doesn't have to go through the window because he's got all the keys. I forgot. had the keys. Yeah. Sean.

Speaker: had the keys the whole time. This is my guest has trust issues. 100%. Oh my gosh.

Speaker: So they're looking through the girl's bathroom. They have to like take a moment to whatever Sean says. Honor it. Yeah. Honor all the wonderful things that have happened here. and um,

Speaker: They hear movement nearby. So someone's come back for the body. shes It is confirmed. Howie and Eileen. And we get like a scurrying hiding sequence, which this whole time I was just like, boys, you are so not discreet. Like if this were not a TV show, it would been caught immediately.

Speaker: It funny. hysterical and we get a very spooky moment where they go into like a closet and how we like that jump scare gets me every time it's pretty yeah it's pretty sudden you get it twice yes that's exactly what I was gonna you get it twice because it's like commercial break and we come back and we relive it yeah of course but they don't see them because they're like up against the door and they're peering in through a window in the door It seems like a supply closet or something. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, maybe for like... Which if... I don't know what Howie and Eileen are actually doing there. um Because wait maybe the noise spooks them they're going to come back later. oh oh good point, good point.

Speaker: Because the presumably if they're there to get the body, they would have gone in. Because that is where the body is, as we find in the moment. yeah Yeah, I like the idea that they were spooked. Because I think that...

Speaker: I guess that makes sense because Eileen is like, there's someone else here with us or something like that. Right. Which is creepy. Totally.

Speaker: So, yeah, in this supply closet, right across from where Sean and Gus are sitting, is a mascot costume, like a fluffy suit. Sabercat.

Speaker: Sabercat. There you go. Fluffy Sabercat. And, um, of course, Santa Barbara Sabercats. Santa Barbara Sabercats. Yeah, that is nice. Good writing right there.

Speaker: Good marketing. Yeah. We are the Santa Barbara Sabercats! Yeah, it'd be great. Very satisfying to say that. yeah Inside the Santa Barbara Sabercat is, sadly, Peter Coulter.

Speaker: And I just love that their first instinct was to poke it. was like, guys, what do you expect to happen? Even if there wasn't anything in there, were they expecting like the head to fall off? or Oh, maybe. Maybe.

Speaker: Because I guess if it weren't, if there weren't somebody in there, it's not attached. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe that is what they're thinking.

Speaker: the body's in there. but Gus tries to scream. Sean stifles it with his hand. And then they realize they have to move the body because if they don't move the body, Howie and Eileen are going to come back and move the body.

Speaker: So we get a beautiful running montage of the two of them. One on the feet, one on the arms. Yeah, Sean's like, what does say? Like... header header feet yeah better her legs or something but header legs yeah um because Gus really does not want to move the body he's like can't we bring here it's like they're gonna come back for it yes um so yeah then they're running through the halls carrying it like mean like a person Yeah, just yeah a person like a person in a mascot costume.

Speaker: But I guess like I say that because I'm like, you'd think again that they'd want to be discreet. Yeah, that's true. But they're just like, no, let's just carry this. I mean, no one seems to look twice at it. Yeah. And Sean tries to stop and flirt with some women.

Speaker: which Even with Abigail there. Yeah, he's he's a mess, that guy. He is a mess. and Maybe he did it just for the shenanigans. Probably. Just to annoy Gus. Yeah, totally. Yeah, so Gus had to hold up more of the weight of the saber cat. And continue holding this yeah this dead body for longer.

Speaker: yeah absolutely. but i i love the way that they wrap this up because of course we have to get a nutshelling. And of course, like we got to get everybody together.

Speaker: But I love that they said, i love that they thought, okay, we're going to bring Howie and Eileen up on the stage. Presumably winning this crown, whatever Gus called it, reunion prom thing.

Speaker: Because if not, they would have likely just snuck out a back door. And they seemed like they were trying to. Yeah. I mean, they like come running into the gym behind everybody who isn't really paying attention.

Speaker: But calling them up on the stage not only forces them to stay, but also forces us to see their reactions, which I thought was yeah kind of fun. So they're sitting up on the stage with their crowns and Sean starts his nut shelling.

Speaker: Those crowns sure are heavy. Heavy with lies.

Speaker: Which feels just so Sean. Yes. And he jumps into the whole thing, you know, how... Peter and Howie and Eileen were in a car that ended up hitting a guy and really it was Howie driving but Peter made the decision to take the rap and how Peter's life was stuck in that moment.

Speaker: Oh another thing from that speech Sean says like you didn't want to lose your scholarship. Scholarship. And when we were watching The Breakfast Club Judd Nelson said it just like that I'm like where do I know that from? I feel like that's in other stuff and then watching Psych I was like oh my god it's from this. That's it.

Speaker: That's where I know it from. Which really, I guess, is the other way. Yeah. it's We know it from this, but it's pulled from that. and my husband i'm like, isn't that referenced in a lot of stuff?

Speaker: But I don't think it is. I think it's just this. I mean, it's just like, no. right i't I've never heard that. It's very distinctive, though, when he says it. You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: And this is also when we get, you know, excuse me, Sean, talking about how wonderful Gus is and how they've been best friends since they were five and how his visions come to him in bits and pieces. And it is Gus, Bert and Guster, who brings it all together. Scenes from Pretty in Pink, a giant rhombus in a t-shirt that read, Soccer moms are easy.

Speaker: i don't know what this means.

Speaker: Now, see, the Pretty in Pink makes sense. A rhombus... Soccer moms are easy. I don't know. I'm sure it connects in some way in his brain. We still don't know the references.

Speaker: One day. We're going to watch some like obscure movie like down our rabbit hole and someone's going to be wearing a t-shirt that says soccer moms are easy. and we're going to be like, oh my God.

Speaker: I'm surprised it wasn't I heart toxic waste like in real. Oh my gosh. That would have been beautiful.

Speaker: That would have been so nice. Alaska.

Speaker: and Howie and Eileen get taken away the Sabercat is behind the scenes I also love how chuffed Lassie is arrest them three people in one night? three arrests in one night, not bad it's like the best date he's been on in years and yeah whispers aside to Sean please tell me have body can't nobody in the crime backstage Yeah.

Speaker: And then we we get Sean and Abigail on the dance floor. Yeah. And Sean confesses what happened. Pulling out photographic memory with yeah the amount of detail not to prove that he was there.

Speaker: Which, if he said that to me, i would have been like, to I don't even remember. Is he right? I don't know. I know. So true. Like I have no idea.

Speaker: I mean, maybe for her, it's like also very stuck. Yeah. Maybe this was also a formative thing for her, like being stood up on this pier. Yeah. Maybe. That's true. Like if she like, you know, took time to pick out her outfit for her day and stuff, maybe she would remember what she wore.

Speaker: Yeah. Or even like some of it, like the, the jacket with the punched out. Yeah. It's like who she was. Yeah. Yes, exactly. So maybe that makes sense. And he's got the tickets.

Speaker: um Yeah. Now do we think he brought those with him or do we think they were in the box? I think they were in the box. Okay, that's what I kind of thought too. And he like saw them and pulled them and put them in his pocket for later just in case.

Speaker: And, you know, this confession to Abigail is just so, I guess, emotional. Yeah. Somewhere in the back of my head, i knew that night would mean, what that night would mean and even how my life could be different now if I hadn't let you walk away.

Speaker: Yeah, I mean, that is pretty dang romantic. Yeah. She's like, oh God. I'm going to make it. Yeah. And yeah, it does.

Speaker: Yeah, i if I get it. um And it seems like, you can't reference this at the beginning, but it seems like this could turn into something. But Sean pretty quickly kind of shuts it down by saying, is this what closure feels like?

Speaker: Well, I think just before that, too, I think it's before that or or maybe ah right after it when she says something about pretty much perfect. And then he looks at Jules across the room and is pretty much perfect, which is wild.

Speaker: but Yes. That he's I mean, because there's nothing like they have not really had they've had a couple of moments. They had their close talking. Yeah. Oh, yes. The close talking.

Speaker: but he like speed dating yeah like he's thinking about her that much like pretty much perfect but she's perfect like she's who he wants now like but he has to make a choice yes yeah and instead of choosing he postpones just don't choose which is also a choice yeah that's very true and then we get our i think that's that's pretty much it right for the Yeah, then we get like the montage, yeah and the which I love.

Speaker: We do see, like after that closure moment, we see Gus, Sean, and Jules like on the dance floor like doing an electric slide or something like that. you which is like so yes's like It's interesting what he must be thinking about Jules, iss because it's still like a not right now, but And thinking about like what he thought about Abigail in that time, like he knows how important it is. And it seems like with Jules, it's similar. It's like, he knows if it, if he goes that, if he goes for that, that's it. Yeah. that Yeah. So he can't do it yet.

Speaker: So yeah they're just gonna have fun and dance. Yes. Yes. And we get a spoof on the breakfast club.

Speaker: Outro. Yeah. where they label themselves all you know surface level things. who And just the four of them. Yeah, just the four.

Speaker: well, because they're the gang. Yeah. But it's our gang. Like it's yeah like not part of their high school or anything. It's, Yes, totally. iking i I love that even even in doing a spoof, they have to make it as ridiculous as possible. It's a reference. like This whole thing is a reference to something very specific.

Speaker: And still in it, they're going to talk about the fact that they're not getting their deposit back. Yeah, it's so good. The deposit back is less than their hourly rate or whatever for the thing. So please send us a check out for $3,000. Yeah, for solving a crime.

Speaker: Oh my gosh, it's so good. So ridiculous. Yes. I mean, this is our true, like, homage, right? This is like our first one. I'm glad we watched what we watched.

Speaker: Me too. Yeah, they fit. They fit very well. um Referenced a lot in the episode. Yeah, felt very fitting. Very fitting.

Speaker: We might have to add some additional John Hughes to are in our I am kind of curious. I mean, this is sort of like a tangential thing, but like the some kind of wonderful... I'm curious about the story of that, like the idea that he went back and made the same movie.

Speaker: h yeah But the way he wanted to, I would be curious to see that. Yeah. And then next, I really love this one. Daredevil's exclamation point.

Speaker: Oh, this is a very fun one. Yeah. It just, it has one of my favorite scenes. That's not like powerful in like the care, you know, all of our characters, but more like in the side character. It's just like a very poignant scene.

Speaker: And one of my favorites. Is it the last bit? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, i I think this episode is fun because it it's a little bit of a twist to what we're used to. Yeah.

Speaker: With Psych. We still get the the shenanigans and all the antics and the references and all that good stuff. Yeah. the ending or the the nutshelling it's all it's very different than yeah and there's kind of a few twists yeah definitely in terms of like the way the case progresses and it's also I don't think a police affiliated case at all oh no yeah you're right just a private case and yeah yeah and so I feel like that also makes it a little more compelling because it's not there's no real crime yet right so that will be fun

Speaker: Yeah. And I don't think we have any homework for it. Perfect. Just the episode. We have been like burning through the movie. So it will be nice to take a little break. I know. I feel like we've watched.

Speaker: We have definitely watched like one, two, three, four, five. We've watched like six movies in the past like month.

Speaker: like Yeah. um Maybe more. Yeah. I think we watched more movies for this podcast this calendar year than I did all of 2024. seventy four Absolutely.

Speaker: Which I'm not complaining about. No. very much enjoying this. It's just funny. Yes. It's just funny to think about. Yeah. We put ourselves on kind of an intense schedule, especially, well, I mean, Scythe did it to us really with this last episode. But yeah, we'll have a little a little break from the homework. This is a,

Speaker: This is an intensive course. Yes. It's, you know, condensed down. We really want get all the meat in there as we possible. Yes. Well, if you're enjoying the movies, the shenanigans, the psychiness of it all, you can join us back here next week where we'll discuss season three, episode three of the famed TV show, Psych.

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