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S3E11: There Are Peanuts Everywhere!
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Series spoilers abound! We’re watching Season 3, Episode 11 “Lassie Did a Bad Bad Thing”. A serious perp has been brought into the station (by Lassie!) and we’re waiting in suspense to see how this will be handled. Until a power outage and gun shot turns everything on its head. We’re talking department politics, power issues, sensory deprivation, and more! So grab your favorite flavored peanuts and join Kylie and Skyler on this new episode of Phsysics 101!
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Introduction to Versailles 6101 Podcast
00:00:20
Speaker
Alright, everyone and welcome to Versailles 6101 where we discuss everything about the world of Psyche and the antics of Sean and Gus in sunny Santa
High-Stakes Episode: Season 3, Episode 11
00:00:29
Speaker
Barbara. I'm Skylar and this is my partner Sweet Baby J and today we'll be discussing season 3 episode 11 of the famed TV show Psyche.
00:00:40
Speaker
Lassie did a bad bad thing. We finally made it! Dun dun dun! I feel like no this is a big episode. Yeah, it Like a cornerstone episode.
00:00:51
Speaker
It really is.
Is Lassie the Culprit?
00:00:53
Speaker
it's I think it's one of the ones where we have some of like the highest stakes yet. Exactly. That's exactly what I was thinking. Like, yeah, it feels different. And feel like even saying that though, like season three has sort of lived at a certain level.
00:01:08
Speaker
Like we've had a lot of high stakes episodes. Yeah. um I mean, we just recently had Gus walks into a bank. Very true. I guess we've just, we've kind of had like really interesting episodes focusing on like everybody in turn.
00:01:24
Speaker
now it's Lassie's. Yeah. think the big like difference in like stakes wise between this episode and the other episodes that were also very high stakes, as you mentioned, Gus walked into a bank.
00:01:39
Speaker
People are in peril. hmm. But here it's like, oh, Lassie, Lassie is the culprit. Like everyone else is
Exploring Lassie's Character
00:01:47
Speaker
the victim. Like Gus is the victim of a bank robbery.
00:01:51
Speaker
Right? Does that make sense? He's the victim of a bank robbery, I guess. sure He is about to possibly, something might happen to him. But in this case, Lassie is thought to be the one who did it. So there's like extra stakes there.
00:02:04
Speaker
Yeah. And thinking about like sort of getting to this episode, like thinking about like when they were breaking the season, like what everybody was going to go through, like to take Lassie here, it is kind of like, yeah we hear from several people thinking like, yeah well, we need even do this someday. like This is sort of like the the ultimate conclusion of the worst version of Lasseter.
00:02:36
Speaker
and And we have sort of played with That a bit like thinking about like Goochberg, you know, like when kind of her representing another like kind of worse side of him and and how he sort of was like, that's how you see me like he he doesn't think of himself probably as.
Support for Lassie's Innocence
00:02:58
Speaker
Correct. Yeah. ah Somebody who would ever do this. Yeah. As I think you can tell when where we actually get everyone else gets down into the holding cell. Yeah. He like isn't even.
00:03:09
Speaker
yeah It's like it's not even occurring to him that they would think that he looks guilty here because it's like. And he is – now I'm just thinking of Sean and Gus and Sean being like, the worst he would do is plan evidence.
00:03:25
Speaker
And like he does kind of have this streak and he makes comments like he might take justice into his own hands kind of or like not be totally by the book. but But it doesn't really seem – true in his
Contrasting Episode Structure
00:03:40
Speaker
actions. Like he I was just going to say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he kind of says stuff.
00:03:45
Speaker
Yes. As... We all do. yeah but i But in terms of his values, yeah he does seem quite you know dedicated to the justice system and like how it's supposed to work.
00:04:00
Speaker
yeah um So yeah, it makes sense. It's sort of, it's it's just a really interesting situation because it is, it's like who he really is versus who we think he is, who everybody thinks he is.
00:04:14
Speaker
yeah and And kind of this way that he presents himself as this macho, like, and kind of the worst version of a cop, like, coming back to bite him.
00:04:27
Speaker
Right, right. So, yeah, it's a very interesting episode. It is. It is. And I think, yeah, I think it comes back to bite him, that, like, macho copiness comes back to bite him in in many different ways. I think we see it in in the respect of...
00:04:46
Speaker
like you just said, that the two kind of ideologies surrounding Lassie. But then we also see it, I think, just in the respect that he got Chavez. he Yeah. He was like, oh, no one else has been able to get him.
00:04:57
Speaker
I'm going to get him. Not even thinking that there could be like a possible plot or like a possible reason as to why. Mm-hmm. something kind of sketchy has been happening with this guy like him having to be kind of the big man is what causes the rest of the episode to then kind of fall down on Lassie and everybody else That is true. Yeah. it Like the trajectory of the episode coming where like we're getting him from the start at like the highest of highs. Like yeah he is just feeling himself. That music. I was like, oh, good Lord. Like this is his dream. And and like his little comments like ah probably going to give me a commentation or something like that.
00:05:40
Speaker
you don't have to come all the way down here yeah and we do like that's a part of him too like we know how ambitious he is he really likes the praise and like um you know looking good and and and it's also like an alpha male thing um and then we like completely turn that to take him to his lowest low like yeah Yeah, it's a powerful structure.
00:06:11
Speaker
Yeah, and i I love too that throughout the episode, although we get some questioning of Lassie like the questioning of Lassie doesn't really come from the people that have come to know and love Lassie like Jules knows that he didn't do it Vic knows that he didn't do it even though Vic is like we got to go through all the process and Sean and Gus well maybe not Gus but Sean absolutely knows that Lassie didn't do it ah the questioning Gus's journey is so funny he cracks me up 75% it's up from yesterday I can't
00:06:49
Speaker
They were like, yeah I feel like some of the jokes in this episode were rare form for them. was just like, what? What is happening right now? Calm down. um But yeah, the ones who are really driving the like, it must have been Lassie.
00:07:04
Speaker
are the people who are kind of outside. Yeah, who only get to see, like, kind of the front that he puts up of this, you know, raw, raw, raw, I shoot my gun and I'm going to get everybody and justice for, you know, whatever.
00:07:18
Speaker
But the people who actually get to see him play out like his his day-to-day cop life, know that he wouldn't do this. Which I think is nice to see, too, that the the gang is really united support of Lassie.
00:07:33
Speaker
Yeah. And what you started to but you were talking about with like the different people made me Remember a quote from Steve Franks from way back from the season one.
00:07:45
Speaker
i just looked it up in like my history of notes. um But from the Shawning Dust of the Dead season two. I think so, yeah. Season two finale.
00:07:57
Speaker
Yeah. um that
00:08:01
Speaker
psychologist that he was on and he talked about magic happening when characters have competing agendas o um and I feel like we really get the like the idea of agendas we really get that here because like even Ocampo he law for one like in terms of tropes like as an internal affairs officer like the classic enemy although certainly very important part yeah necessary yeah um of this all functioning but in in this episode he they describe him as a politician and so like everybody kind of has a reason for this to like to want this to work out a certain way obviously d dreamer has his reasons although he is playing it very like he's not overt about any of that yeah
00:08:54
Speaker
And another thing about him is like they they kind of refer to him as like a dope. Yeah. um like he really comes off as almost like the opposite of like a lassie, like a more like a McNabb.
00:09:07
Speaker
Yeah, totally. um Which is you know, he would be the least suspected maybe like to have this. I mean, the way he turns like at the end is You know, another good performance.
00:09:26
Speaker
I just remember the first time watching it when they're they're on the pier. Oof. I was just like, oh, no, it's it's shocking. Totally. Oh, man.
00:09:40
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Very intense.
00:09:44
Speaker
But yeah, there's just and then like Vic needs to like she doesn't think Lassie did it either, but she has she wants to do it very by the book because if they don't, it would write create more risk.
00:10:01
Speaker
and then like Jules is, has to like stay focused on her job because again, it's like if any of them intervene in the wrong way, then just will create more problems. um Right. So yeah. So there's just, yeah, it's super interesting. And like a lot of like internal politics in the, in the department and yeah.
00:10:24
Speaker
And then there's Sean and Gus.
00:10:27
Speaker
Yeah. I love that. Like, Sean and Gus in this episode aren't technically like sanctioned police psychics at this point. But they're still like they still manage to be there because everyone just knows them. But then there's times where they're like, you can't be here. Go away.
00:10:44
Speaker
Have to like scurry out of the room. I i love that dynamic. so Yeah. it Yeah, well, it is it does seem like even if they're assisting with a case, there are spaces that they're not supposed to go by themselves. Like yeah like the records room thing. like because i mean Or even the holding cells, like they are truly sneaking around.
00:11:04
Speaker
my god, yeah. But they are also like on both Vicks... like you know, she came to them. She asked them to help. Yeah. She probably can't hire them.
00:11:15
Speaker
Right. Maybe for this. Yeah. um And then, obviously, Lassie comes to them. But, yeah. I also love, like, the whole beginning, there is this sort of like the tone is does feel a bit darker, like from the jump, I feel like, and like a bit... The storminess. Yeah, and there's like this vibe of like,
00:11:41
Speaker
suspense and you sort of feel like something's going to happen and i almost feel like sean and gus in that whole beginning part feel out of place which i feel like was a very fun effect yeah they 100 because they're coming in all all goofy yeah normal selves but everyone else is like they're coming like something's gonna happen well and i think too the e like the ah the power issues.
00:12:12
Speaker
Yes. I think that adds to it too because now the the lights start turning off and Sean and Gus are still just like, ha ha, funny joke, like blah, blah, blah. And everyone else is like, no Yeah. And there's like, yeah, there's like a seriousness to everybody. And then especially as things start to escalate and after the shooting happens and then like last season in the interrogation room and stuff and they're still just being ridiculous and it just feels...
00:12:34
Speaker
like Yeah. Because everybody else is on sort of one level of like this is a very intense situation. yeah And then they are a completely different – Yeah. Which is how they handle these situations. That's true.
00:12:45
Speaker
I feel like sometimes – It's not all at once, or maybe not everybody is at the same the same like yeah like level of intensity that we're getting here. Yes. But yeah, it feels very like jarring when they would yeah get all quippy and stuff.
00:13:02
Speaker
Yeah, because i essentially what we see is the the entire station gets locked down, and they do a huge sweep with essentially machine guns. Yeah, around the that's true too. like We have never really seen... yeah Well, I guess sort of in the... um oh the bank robbery one yeah um but but yeah there's but even then it feels a little bit removed because it's not the santa barbara pd it's the fbi's hostage investigation unit so it's like yeah there are but it's not us yeah you know here it's us
00:13:38
Speaker
Yeah. and And the big guns. And maybe like because we know that the bank robber is like not a real bank robber. There's like a lot to that episode to make it less yeah scary for a while. And then Sean is like calling the shots and stuff. So.
00:13:58
Speaker
Yeah, there's like a different the because like it's very intense in the bank robbery like once it begins because Gus is in there. But then as we progress it sort of turns kind of back into a regular psych yes tone um like it doesn't take long to get back to that place but i feel like in this episode we don't really get back to that place no we really don't like sean gus sort of live in that place but nobody else does right yeah i mean it's really not until the last like
00:14:34
Speaker
the last scene. Yeah. Where it's like, ah, we're good again. And Sean's going off to talk to Jules. Yes. Until then, it's like, it is really, really, it's quite intense throughout the entire episode.
00:14:46
Speaker
And maybe part of that is like, ah in In the other episodes, for the most part, Sean has ah semblance of an idea of like what's going on more and more who the bad guy is or who the bad guy isn't.
00:15:00
Speaker
And in this case, the only thing we really know is that Lassie didn't do it. And even that, Sean doesn't necessarily have like hard evidence for other than the fact that Lassie didn't have his finger on the trigger and he trusts him that he wouldn't do that.
00:15:17
Speaker
So here it's kind of like, okay, they were there was a shooting. They were supposed to be in the station. We lock down the station. No one's there. Another guy ends up dying. like but It's just like boom after boom after boom after boom. like what What's going on? And then we get the big, you know, on the pier. And then it's like, ugh.
00:15:34
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, and it does.
00:15:39
Speaker
it seems like Sean knows he has to be, like, careful about saying,
00:15:46
Speaker
It was another officer. Like, it was an inside job. Like, he, because he, he sort of, he seems to kind of get there. But he yeah doesn't really present that until he sort of mentions it to Henry. And Henry's like, stop right there.
00:16:02
Speaker
Which is interesting to me, though, because it's not as if Lassie isn't an officer. I know. I know. They've already said that an officer did this. So like, what? Yeah. I mean, yeah. And Henry has like, he has not been disillusioned.
00:16:17
Speaker
oh yeah. Enough yet. Not yet. Maybe to like. yeah but Yeah. And I guess he's also just the like, you have to know for sure before you go say that. um But yeah, I do feel like in terms of Sean and Gus's level in this episode.
00:16:36
Speaker
Mm-hmm. like Because they never get as intense as anybody else, really, until the very end when yeah Sean is confronted with a murderer. um but He is now held hostage. Yes. I do feel like Sean is very confident in Lassie, and that confidence... yeah sort of makes him feel like safe in a way. like Like he's not, he doesn't seem too worried about it.
00:17:09
Speaker
Yeah. Which is how he sort of operates in general. it's like he knows he's going to figure it out. It's just a matter of time. And that's what he's doing here. But everybody else doesn't know that.
00:17:20
Speaker
because and And they're also thinking like, You know, it has to be very by the book, which is not really how Sean operates. So it does present a different challenge, even for Sean, but he just never seems overly concerned.
00:17:34
Speaker
Yeah. And I think that his lack of concern, i do think, maybe speaks to his ability to read people, which we've talked about in the past. um How Sean is just really good at like getting a quick kind of understanding of the situation.
00:17:49
Speaker
Although Drimmer plays him pretty well. That's true. But then I also wonder how much like how much interaction does he really have with Drimmer up until that point? like it It seems as if he they like don't really cross paths other than through...
00:18:06
Speaker
there He happens to be standing in the police station when Chavez comes in with Lassie. And he gets a little rundown of him from Jules. But the first time we really see them interact is on the pier.
00:18:20
Speaker
so Yeah. Well, and he does kind of, like, mention him by name, I think, later. As... As if he's aware of this person. But it is kind of a funny like TV thing where oh this person is – that from upstairs?
00:18:35
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. that like I don't think he says dopey, but something like that. A doopey guy out from upstairs or something like that. Yeah, yeah. um But yeah, so he seems to kind of know then him.
00:18:48
Speaker
But it is kind of – because this man is obviously introduced in this episode and yeah never seen again, which is – Because it's a TV show. Yeah. So it's hard to know what anybody's relationship with him. Sure, sure. Really is.
00:19:03
Speaker
um But I do feel like, well, I don't know. Sean takes in so much information and takes it in constantly. But at the same time, I mean, this man does have...
00:19:15
Speaker
the cover of authority h so he's got that going for him he's playing dope or just like a doofy guy yeah um so and and john doesn't always have a lot of patience for that i feel like like he may he may just not think much of him um to consider that he might be a ah criminal mastermind Yeah, but I do think that Drimmer really plays him well at the end when he starts asking all about Jules.
00:19:46
Speaker
And you see Sean be like, um what else did she say? Like that's his weak spot. And that made me wonder like how much of that conversation was real and how much of that was made up. Yeah, I was wondering that too. I I feel – i feel like
00:20:05
Speaker
maybe pretty made up because i I also don't think Jules would necessarily like confide in Drummer about any of this. Just meeting him like yesterday. Yeah. Or just like, yeah, being fixed with him.
00:20:19
Speaker
And, and she doesn't really seem to care for him that much. I mean, she's, she's just like all business with him. Yeah. So, yeah, I can't really imagine her like getting into what she thinks of Sean and his urbane sense of humor. Yeah.
00:20:36
Speaker
Yeah, I do love, though, that he, you know, Drimmer clearly, yeah, smarter than he lets on, realized something's going on, as most other people have, to be fair. Yes.
00:20:48
Speaker
And uses that as a means of getting Sean to let his guard down. and then Although I thought it was pretty ballsy of him to... Like Sean made it pretty apparent that there were people back. They're not very far from the office.
00:21:02
Speaker
Literally, you know, within spitting distance. And um yeah, the Henry and Gus look out the window at some point and can see Drimmer and Sean right there. And Drimmer still takes the opportunity to,
00:21:14
Speaker
deck Sean and take him back to Lassie's apartment yeah his whole plan because yeah like is he just so like got such a one-track mind that he's not even thinking about like how other people are going to be looking for Sean yeah are gonna like know that this story that he's putting together doesn't make sense I know um like like he was in the middle of something like like How does he end up at Lassie's murdered? He literally has peanuts in his hand for everybody.
00:21:47
Speaker
He just talked to the peanut guy. Like, yeah, it's not as if he, you know, found him in a back alley or something. Or like took him from his house where nobody was around. Yeah. Things were clearly happening.
00:21:59
Speaker
ah And my question, too, is like, it all seems very... It's all very kind of coincidental. Like, Sean just happened to be outside. Like, what was he going to do if Sean didn't go and get the peanuts? Was he going to walk into the office and just... It's a good question.
00:22:14
Speaker
and mean i wonder if he's been watching then Because Sean and Gus have left to go see every food vendor. Oh, my God. ah I don't think we have heard more food than we have. know.
00:22:26
Speaker
Which love because there's that whole, like... We had a similar moment with Jules a few episodes ago about, maybe it was Roller Reve, but where Jules wanted to be brought in on the process and Gus is like, oh, show her your process.
00:22:40
Speaker
And we have like the same thing where Lassie wants to see their process or something. Something so ridiculous.
00:22:51
Speaker
And I feel like there's another episode where something similar happens where like part of their process is they eat basically every half an hour. like they go get food. And so we, that's like part of what we're seeing. It's like, they've got to go get their popsicles.
00:23:03
Speaker
They got to get their. use a lot of brain power. We just need to constantly defueled. Yeah.
00:23:12
Speaker
And i wonder it makes me wonder too, like, do they do they just snack all day or do they eat big meals? do they do think both because we definitely – we also see them, not in this episode, but we see them get quite big meals or just like normal meals. Like they get tacos or whatever they get.
00:23:29
Speaker
Yeah. So, ah yeah, we'll eat everything all the time. We were supposed to get nuts for this episode also, but if that didn't happen. But peanuts confirmed. yeah that's confirm In multiple instances.
00:23:46
Speaker
Peanuts on the on the beach. peanuts in lassie's apartment oh yeah yeah yeah peanut pole that is funny i love that pole it's so good that little at the end who pulls the gun from the oh my gosh i'm like oh lassie no we're gonna have to break down that whole we haven't even like i know this is a very uh loosey-goosey episode we just have too many thoughts i think so yeah We're getting thematic.
00:24:16
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like we have to at some point.
00:24:22
Speaker
So. Well, should we start at the beginning now? Sure, we can. We can do whatever want. We've done like a flyover of the whole thing. I do want to talk about flashback.
00:24:34
Speaker
Okay. Good show. Definitely a fun one. And this is another episode, which I we haven't had in a while, where we get a flashback to the flashback. Yes, and i love those. Yeah.
00:24:45
Speaker
I really like Sean, like, recalling but the lessons. Yes, me too. and And really, like, eat using them.
00:24:56
Speaker
Yeah, no, i I like that we get to see Sean actually taking seriously the lessons that Henry gives him. Because in the moment, like, when we actually have the flashback,
00:25:09
Speaker
You can tell that Sean, like, kind takes it seriously because Henry asks him to do something and it's his dad. So he he does it. But he makes jokes the entire time. Like, am I about to get executed? like um So it seems like, you know, he's just kind of humoring him. Not that he's necessarily um really...
00:25:27
Speaker
taking it very seriously um but here we you can see that he's actually using the lesson to help with the solving of the case which i like yeah and it is a great lesson for someone in sean's future position um he's working on report and henry comes in and blindfolds him Did you give me a piñata?
00:25:53
Speaker
But ah Henry's lesson is in sensory deprivation. Yes. um And tells them that they say when one sense is deprived, the others are strengthened. So he starts making some sounds. He opens the fridge, turns on the stove, and then crumples up Sean's report and throws it in the garbage.
00:26:14
Speaker
Yeah. Which I also love. Of course, with Henry, there is a lesson within the lesson. Yes, of course. And I love that he saw Sean get this report from Gus, wanted to confront him about the cheating and force him to do it himself.
00:26:33
Speaker
And so he invented this whole other lesson, this whole framework in which to deal with that. I know. I sometimes wonder, like similarly to Sean and Gus, how we're like, oh, are they in the car, like thinking about what bit they're going do? Like, is Henry upstairs just like, all right, how am I going to get him?
00:26:51
Speaker
Like, what am I going to That's a great point. Like, that is something that they have in common that I feel like you wouldn't think about. really like but it does take a lot of planning you're like thinking um about the santa scene yeah henry set um and yeah ah past christmas episode like yeah it takes a lot of forethought and he's like really putting a lot of effort into building these like
00:27:22
Speaker
observational experiences for Sean. Yeah. And sometimes they're quite elaborate. Yeah. Really. Yeah. He really takes time and and energy. Yeah. And you could totally see how Sean has that same impulse to create a scene, create a cover story, create whatever.
00:27:41
Speaker
Like, totally. Which I feel like you wouldn't think of Henry as that kind of guy, but it's like, it's there. Yes, just in a different, to a different audience, maybe. Sean wants everyone to be involved.
00:27:52
Speaker
and Yeah, and there's a little bit like of ah ah a more seriousness in a way to what Henry is up to, but, and Sean sort of often doing it as shenanigans.
00:28:04
Speaker
Yeah. But they definitely have that in common, which is fun to think about. Yeah.
00:28:12
Speaker
Yeah. So that's pretty much the flashback. Yeah. So we go to present day and it is a very stormy night.
00:28:24
Speaker
Yes. And I love like how Sean and Gus are. Their goal, they come in to this scene with an intention to and that is to get their check signed. Yes.
00:28:36
Speaker
Because their cable is out and they don't have any money. And so it's I mean, going back to the competing agendas thing. Yes. Their agenda is to get their check signed.
00:28:47
Speaker
Yes. Which is such a great thing. simple shawnee and gussy yeah thing to give them yes especially because it's like a very this is a very serious scene that we're coming into as we've discussed and they're just like sign my check please like i just need come vic i just need you sign my check and it adds a bit of levity yeah and it's such a it's so perfect like Because it's such a quick thing, but at the same time, like, you understand why Vic is like, now is not the time. Yeah, are you for real right now?
00:29:23
Speaker
ah but But yeah, so it's just like a perfect little, like, business for them to have. um And I love that they are trying to get it done their entire evening while they're at the station.
00:29:37
Speaker
And then they kind of let it go, but we do get the conclusion of that in the end. so Yeah. Very nice bookends.
00:29:46
Speaker
Yeah, so we find out. I also love that... um The episode actually starts with them walking into the station. So they're like kind of damp from being outside in the rainstorm. And, you know, we are kind of, as you said, coming in um almost as like outsiders into all of this. Yeah, very true. um Which is kind of fun.
00:30:06
Speaker
And we... Yeah, and that adds to kind of the tonal like disconnect between them as just coming into this and everybody else who's like in this space. Yeah. Right.
00:30:17
Speaker
It's a real, like, collision. Oh, completely. Well, you can even tell, like, the the two of them are like, what is, what's going on? They're like, Lassie got, you know, what was his full name? I don't, I just remember Chavez.
00:30:32
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not sure. The full name. Whatever. them But he's the second in command of the Cinco Reyes cartel. Mm-hmm.
00:30:44
Speaker
and So he's been ah person of interest for a long time, but they've never gotten charges to stick, but now they have hard evidence.
00:30:56
Speaker
I'm like remembering all the that they said. and so yeah, it's all very exciting. Yeah. And Lassie like managed to get them. And now he's bringing them into the station, which I guess we have seen in the past,
00:31:12
Speaker
Just because someone has collected a criminal does not necessarily mean that they will get them back to the station to charge said criminal. Like, things true definitely happen along the way.
00:31:23
Speaker
It is kind of an interesting, like, even for this man, Chavez, ah to have, because what the narrative we're presented with is that an informant told last week,
00:31:36
Speaker
that he was at quick stop yes um and of course sean and gus have to understand which one because one carries funyuns and one does not and they're not the same i love the whole funyuns oh my god actually at the grocery store yesterday got onions like i don't have them here but We have to give my toddler a snack to have in the grocery store. here He'll lose his mind. And so he had some Funyuns and I had some Funyuns.
00:32:06
Speaker
um So Funyuns. Spiritually, we can have had it for this episode. Spiritually, we're eating Funyuns right now. um I do love Funyuns. I don't really like onions. God.
00:32:18
Speaker
Well, I feel like onions are like sweet onion. like not Because onions can kind of be sharp, like pungent. True. You know? Yeah. But I feel like a funion, and maybe it is the the mixture of the onion flavor along with the corn snackiness of it. Yeah.
00:32:37
Speaker
It's like a little more mild. Mm-hmm. Which I like. Yeah. Good stuff. Yeah, they're very tasty. um Yes. So this it they went to the – he was in a quick stop.
00:32:49
Speaker
And then he walked out and Lassie said, you're coming with me. and he's And Chavez said, just you. And Lassie said, just me. Just me. Which seems pretty easy.
00:33:00
Speaker
Yeah. Like he didn't put up a fight or run or anything. And I wonder, just thinking about that, like maybe Chavez wanted out of the game. Because what he ultimately does is make a deal.
00:33:12
Speaker
And he's turning state's witness. um And that would have put him in witness protection. He could kind of start over. Right. Well, I wonder who that informant was.
00:33:24
Speaker
Like, was it an actual informant? Was it just like a tip? Could it have been Chavez himself? Who was like, come pick me up? Very true. Yeah, please. Save me. don't want to do this anymore.
00:33:36
Speaker
Yeah, who knows? Who knows? Yeah, I would agree. That definitely sounds too too simple. Yeah. And Lassie, of course, is eating it up because it's like just me, you know, just like what you were talking about before. Like, I mean, how cool, like he gets to be the guy who brought this most wanted person down yeah unless he's not necessarily like a humble person so if there was like a big like he had a deck of him and like yeah around he would have recounted that entire thing yeah he did not so it definitely sounds like it was just kind of a all right i'll come here cuff me you know yeah odd so
00:34:21
Speaker
Maybe if he wanted that, Mr. Chavez, maybe he should have done it in a different city. Because unfortunately partner in crime is here the Santa Barbara Police Department and does not want him testifying or whatever it is he's going to do. Yeah.
00:34:43
Speaker
Understandable, I suppose. but Yeah. So unfortunately that move yeah it doesn't work out very well i know so sad yeah so now yeah the story oh and that's when vic uh calls lassie in um and he's like thinks he's gonna get a commendation He's like, whatever.
00:35:10
Speaker
I love Sean's line there, which is, I'm going to be cop and a half. I wrote that down too. It's just so silly. That was silly.
00:35:21
Speaker
It turns out it's the FBI. Okay. They've come to the station to take Chavez because he is willing to turn state's witness against the rest of the Reyes clan.
00:35:36
Speaker
So they'll like put him in WITSEC and this causes a whole argument. Yeah, definitely some justice system drama. Yes. Like frustration with the way things work.
00:35:50
Speaker
Justified frustration, I'm sure. But also it it asks like this moral question of um we were kind of talking about stuff like this last time. Like, what is the quote unquote morally best thing to do? Like, is it better to say, hey, this one guy, we're going to protect you in order to get everyone?
00:36:09
Speaker
Or is it really better to just say we have you now. We're going to make you pay for what you've done and we will possibly over time get the rest of the people.
00:36:20
Speaker
I don't know. I think that's quite subjective. Yeah. Yeah, it's a quandary. And yeah, Vic kind of says like like his whatever.
00:36:32
Speaker
and want to say testimony. I don't know if he's actually going to testify, but like his and maybe his intel or whatever. Yeah. Could bring down a massive criminal enterprise. Yeah. So yeah, there's
00:36:46
Speaker
And I feel like we've also talked about, like, Vic, how she has to be a bit more of a politician, too. Like, she has to think more big picture.
00:36:58
Speaker
and And she's kind of doing that here. Whereas, like, in Lassie's position, he's very focused on... Yeah.
00:37:10
Speaker
The... person he got yes well and i wonder too like what what is it that lassie's actually upset about like what's what's the the motivating factor here in the anger is it the fact that he's not going to get like the credit for this because now the fbi is coming in and taking him is the fact that there's not going to be justice for this person because they're going to be able to get away with it Like, why is he angry? Because I actually think, as we were discussing before, like, deep down, he would be more happy with the fact that this, as you said, large criminal enterprise is no longer functioning.
00:37:49
Speaker
But in this moment, he's, like, very heated about the fact that Chavez is not or it's not going the way that he anticipated it going, maybe. Yeah. Well, I do think it's probably a little bit of everything. Like, I don't think he's so pure heart that, um you know, it wouldn't bother him that this big bust he just had yeah is going to basically go away.
00:38:11
Speaker
um And he, I think he mentions, like, spending months on evidence or something, like building a case. Does he say something like that?
00:38:23
Speaker
Yeah, he does. When does he say that? that Like, I'm trying to think of the context. I feel like it is in that argument, but I'm not sure what exactly. since Yeah, I don't remember. yeah yeah i think Yeah, I think you're right.
00:38:37
Speaker
I have not devoted countless man hours in pursuit of this scumbag to have him comfortably live out his days in some witness relocation program. There you go. So I think it's a combination of, you know, this is the...
00:38:57
Speaker
culmination of all this hard work and he doesn't think it's justice for this person to get to start over in that way yeah and i'm sure that could be argued yeah i mean we don't really get any information about chavez and his deeds outside of the fact that he was a part of this gang So I'm sure possibly there were a lot of very horrible things that this man did. So Lassie is probably like, no, you can't be a horrible human.
00:39:35
Speaker
And then, yeah, go get to live a ah regular life and never have to. Yeah. Yeah. worry about anything ever again because now the government's taking care of you. Yeah, but that is yeah too like the system in place. Yeah, that is an option.
00:39:54
Speaker
So that's the Saudis. And so, and i mean,
00:40:01
Speaker
and feel like that's sort of where we leave him is like, does he respect this system or right does he want to Is he fixated on what justice, what believes justice ought to be?
00:40:16
Speaker
And he's going to take it into his own hands. Yeah. And they really don't wait very long for like the, for that to come right back to our face again. It's literally like the next scene.
00:40:27
Speaker
Yes. And as he's walking out to go get Chavez, I believe, he said, I should have taken him out when I had the chance. Yep. So that doesn't sound good.
00:40:40
Speaker
um And, but again, it's like probably in outside of the heat of this moment, he yeah yeah he would probably he would defer to the system and maybe he wouldn't be happy about it, but it'd be like, you know, he'll get over it.
00:40:57
Speaker
But in this moment, he's expressing the frustration yeah of how that system works sometimes. Yeah, I think Lassie is just kind of grumpy.
00:41:09
Speaker
Which is sort of his default setting. Yeah, exactly. So I think he's just kind of like, yeah, his his... I mean, what we were saying, like, he says a lot of stuff. Yeah, exactly. Because he's grumpy. Like, not because he's actually going to, like, do Well, and, I mean, I feel like that's also kind of that...
00:41:28
Speaker
that version of a man. o ah We have a lot, like a blowhard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of those in the public sphere these days. And it's just like, you can just say whatever you want. And yeah and he does kind of have that vibe about him.
00:41:46
Speaker
And he sort of fits into that, like, caricature In some ways. Like, I don't think his values necessarily align with everything that kind of person is.
00:41:59
Speaker
Yeah. But he sort of talks the talk. And so it's not surprising that he would say that. Right. And he might say that even if it wasn't this exact moment, you know, like, he might just, like, he says a lot of stupid stuff.
00:42:16
Speaker
um And honestly, he's very rarely reprimanded or spoken to about it. Yeah, I mean, it's more, it's a comedy. And so like, you know, that's sort of his also like him being a trick ah caricature. Like there's like a sitcom-y character element of that. Like, yeah, yeah. He is funny.
00:42:37
Speaker
That's like a funny thing that he, a funny quality about this character is this stuff, ridiculous stuff that he says. and so And I mean, usually we'll have like a straight man kind of reaction to it. Right, right.
00:42:50
Speaker
Or he'll get like a looker. But yeah, we're not seeing like actual repercussions. Until here. Where now they're like, hey, by the way, you have discharged your weapon way more than the regular person does. well the latin and that's not the first time we have heard that.
00:43:07
Speaker
Yeah. Because Vic... said it to him before and he was like thank you yeah which again we're laughing like yeah because this is comedy but that's ridiculous in in the um a real life scenario obviously that's not funny but of course yeah so it's like Yeah, it's it's so it's interesting. I mean, kind of like talking how we were talking about like Sean and Gus being in a psych episode and sort of everybody else not.
00:43:34
Speaker
Yeah. That is sort of part of that too because in a psych episode, that is funny and that's just a lassie thing and, you know, whatever. But like that's not really the gear we're in in this episode and we are seeing the actual consequences of when you behave like that.
00:43:52
Speaker
Right. Yeah. two and Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think the. The largest consequence being that people take you at your word.
00:44:04
Speaker
who Because, again, the people that don't know Lassie are like, you're a grumpy human who literally just said you should have killed this guy who discharges their weapon way too often. You are just went through a divorce. You're in precarious position. Yeah. Like, they're.
00:44:22
Speaker
They're showing like clear, like you, you kind of did this to yourself. You set yourself up. And he did. In this position. Yeah. For us to think this about you. And to be fair, it is a very precarious position. He, you know, so he goes downstairs to get Chavez and move him from the holding cell.
00:44:37
Speaker
whatever and in that moment all of the lights in the station turn out remember they're in the middle of a thunderstorm and a shot rings out from down in the holding cell and when everyone gets there we see Lassie with his gun and Chavez dead on the floor what else is everybody supposed to think yeah Lassie's like holding his weapon over him yeah like it literally looks as if he just shot him we later find out that The gun that shot Chavez was Lassie's gun.
00:45:13
Speaker
And Lassie had gunshot residue on his hand. who So again, it's kind of like, but what is the logical conclusion here? But the people around him who know him, Sean, Jules, Vic, like, okay, this...
00:45:32
Speaker
wasn't lassie like you we don't even really need hard evidence we kind of know that it wasn't lassie sean even you know pulls aside and says to gus don't be ridiculous he didn't kill anyone his finger wasn't even on the trigger i love the delivery of that line oh so yeah so straight and it feels like almost defensive Yeah, yeah.
00:45:51
Speaker
Well, I mean, Gus is definitely the, like, this is a great guy. Yes, of course. Yeah, I feel like... Have you heard the stuff he says to us? I like Gus sort of does that in a different episode, too, but I can't think of it. No, he totally He's a little bit more skeptical of people's innocence than Sean is. Yes.
00:46:14
Speaker
And I do love that, even though he is not convinced... He's along for the ride. Oh, of course. He's doing what can. But, but yeah, gu I mean, Sean is so confident and, you know, we've had some ah sort of sweet moments with Sean and Lassie recently, like that time where Was it just the last episode? were you Oh, yeah. With Rosanante. And he's like, I'm helping you.
00:46:46
Speaker
It's two ways to eat. And like later when he's like, we're brothers. And Gus is like, hmm. We're down the street. tree
00:47:02
Speaker
But there is like, I do think Sean... you know, this is his friend. Yes. Yeah. I do think they have become friends. Yeah.
00:47:13
Speaker
By this point. and And he is like, yeah. So I do feel like he is defensive on Lassie's behalf, which is, which is sweet. Yeah. So we, we get Sean kind of right off the bat realizing that lassie didn't do this and and he and his mind has evidence for that but we also see vic pretty much immediately but believing that lassie didn't do this but she says to him straight up like we have to do this by the book so yeah and we kind of talked about before how like lassie is like we need to do this we need to do that not even thinking about him being like looking guilty yeah at all which i think
00:47:55
Speaker
Like maybe from Sean's perspective plays into the like innocence of it. Like why would Lassie be so calmly like we got to find this person if he just killed a guy? Because even though Lassie is again seemingly very aggressive, like I don't think anyone really takes that lightly. Yeah.
00:48:13
Speaker
So, yeah, he's trying to direct everything and Vic essentially steps in and is like, nope, Jules, Juliet, take three people, sweep the building, guys go over there. It is kind of fun to see Vic step in in that way. Love it. Yeah, right? Love it. Because, you know, she because like she worked her way up to his department. like She is also knows what to, like, she's a lead detective in her own right. So it's yeah like it's fun to see her take on that role because...
00:48:42
Speaker
in such a high stakes investigation as this, like she, it would make sense that that would be like, she would be leading that. Yeah. And also to show these agents, cause they're like, they're very, um, confrontational about like, oh yeah like, what are you going to do about it to her basically?
00:49:04
Speaker
and yeah And she's like, i't yeah,
00:49:09
Speaker
yeah they Let me show you what going about it. or They don't have a lot of nuance. yeah they No, they certainly don't. um and And she does tell them from the get-go, I don't think he did it, but we're gonna right we're going to investigate this.
00:49:25
Speaker
So she has Lassie drop his weapon inside an evidence bag for ballistics. She tells him he has to go write out a written statement of exactly what happened. And everyone else is going to go sweep the building and get statements essentially from everybody with alibis or or where they were at ah the time of the shooting.
00:49:46
Speaker
And they then Sean and Gus get kicked out of the room because forensics comes in and they're like, what are you doing here? yeah Sean is trying to sneak in.
00:49:57
Speaker
oh I guess he's trying to look at the breakers, huh? Because when they're in there later, he yeah he does go in there. um but yeah, I wasn't sure what he was doing because he's like, just like one second.
00:50:11
Speaker
And then and then the lady's like, what are you doing? Yeah. And he has whole big thing of how he has to go pee.
00:50:21
Speaker
I just... and the The next thing I have, the spirit world is abuzz. oh That definitely feels later. don't think it's too much later. I think the next thing is that we go into interrogation with ah Lassie and Ocampo comes in, the internal affairs officer.
00:50:40
Speaker
um And then they're going to test, they're testing Lassie's hands for GSR. Oh, yeah. And then Sean and Gus burst in. And that's when Sean says, the psychic world is abuzz. Yes. That Lassie did not do this.
00:50:56
Speaker
Yes. And us we all knew he would kill someone someday day and then okap was like oh so you think he's capable and shan's like no the worst he would do is plan evidence he's like would you get them out of here you are not helping being helpful
00:51:18
Speaker
oh man and i i yeah they're just so like Again, you can tell that they went in there with all the best intentions, but then it's just like gibberish of the mouth. Like they just like vomit of the mouth, whatever the song is. They just couldn't stop themselves.
00:51:33
Speaker
And of course somehow made it worse. But at some point, Vic comes and talks to them and says that she doesn't want the visions or vibrations or whatever it is that you have we just need some hard evidence on this one yeah which as we know the evidence is not really helping lassie at this point so the vibrations are what is going to get him of this i love like like sean is continuing to be silly and and then gus says you have to go buy the book on this one chief we get it or something like that yes and i think that's um cute or something like just for him to i don't know it's like getting real for a second and being like we understand
00:52:23
Speaker
Yes. It's strangely mature of them. Yeah. Which makes sense that it would come from Gus. Absolutely. two Yeah. The mature one. And then think of about that point, sean says, oh, one more thing.
00:52:39
Speaker
Could you sign this for us? One last. Not the time. Not the time. Yeah. she I think she just walks into the interrogation room and Sean's like, you think she's going to get a pen? Yeah.
00:52:52
Speaker
Yeah. Oh my God. The bit about, there are like so many bits about pens the first half of this episode because they're just trying to get the stupid check signs. No one seems to have a pen or a pencil or a writing implement or anything. Yeah. Like when he meets, I think when they meet the FBI agents and he's like, anybody got a BIC?
00:53:10
Speaker
Yes, a BIC. Yeah. Mont Blanc. Yeah.
00:53:15
Speaker
so good so silly um so then i think we go back to the office yes and Gus is like kind of asking Sean why he like how he can be so sure and and I well Sean says I decide to be therefore I am
00:53:40
Speaker
ah yeah it starts the most ridiculous bit. I didn't write it down entirely, but we need to read it because... Let's see. Well, I have it open here. You have it? Do it.
00:53:52
Speaker
Because this is just how I imagine, like, Sean's mind works. Just like, bingng bing, bong, bing, bong, bing, bong. Like, one reference to the next. Okay. Gus, how can you be absolutely certain that Lasseter didn't shoot Chavez?
00:54:08
Speaker
It's a relatively easy guess. I decided to be, and therefore I am. Socrates said that. and No, that was Descartes. That was the Cologne we wore in high school. That was Drakkar Noir.
00:54:20
Speaker
No, that is a wine. That's Pinot Noir. And Gus keeps up so perfectly well. Perfectly. Yeah. Well, because again, it's kind of like the the shorthand that we talk about for them all the time. that The Cologne we wore in high school. Like,
00:54:34
Speaker
It's absurd. It's absurd. Well, yeah, and again, back to the whole, like, Sean... Sean has to be smart in order to play stupid.
00:54:45
Speaker
Like, he has to know that when Gus references Descartes, that there is a perfume that sounds, or a cologne, that sounds similar to that, Jaquard Noir.
00:54:59
Speaker
And then he has to know that there is a wine, Pinot Noir. Like, he he has to know the references in order to... be dumb to get Gus to say the reference which is also just kind of fun yeah we also get a fun i think later when Lassie comes he um he makes fun of him for his clothes and he's like yes who are you Jay Gatsby you gonna go watch Swans with Daisy later and Gus is like whoa where did you get that so there is like a level that we're reading of like
00:55:35
Speaker
what shot like sort of what he can pull from and it's fun to see yes like know the limits of that yes he's known all his life you know he knows yes there's that pot of reference
00:55:52
Speaker
Then get a first. We see Vic show up at the office. And they're so excited. Well, Sean, mostly. Very exciting. It's nice to see her out of the station. Yeah. um She's not in cities, but still.
00:56:08
Speaker
And Sean offers her Gus's coffee. Just takes it out of his hand. Yeah, of course. you go. He's just like thrilled to have her here. Yeah.
00:56:19
Speaker
Yeah. And she she really comes just to say that she wants them to prove that Lassie is innocent because she knows that Lassie is innocent.
00:56:31
Speaker
But also, like we said before, she's not really hiring them. She's just, I guess, kind of making sure they're all on the same page. h Yeah. And telling them, like, they she needs them to find something if they can.
00:56:45
Speaker
Right. Because they're about to search Lasseter's house. correct oh and they got his psyche valve oh my god done sean's mom which i love that sean was like it's gonna be by some like dopey yeah fake swedish accent yeah and she's like was the one done by your mother your mother he's like oh oh and that's when he says oh sweet baby jay what did she says something about a train
00:57:19
Speaker
She can't stop this train. or She doesn't know if she can stop this train. Right. And Sean goes, I think you can. I think you can. Yeah. Continuing to be very silly.
00:57:32
Speaker
And then they go Lasseter's house? Apartment? House. house House. Definitely a full house. Full house. we've been there before um the outside. and Or is this a different house? Because remember, at that point, we had to move.
00:57:50
Speaker
Oh. Because all the criminals now knew where he lived. Yeah, that's a good point. I feel like it looked similar to me. It It was a ranch. Just like the run suburban house. Yeah. So, yeah, don't know.
00:58:06
Speaker
And this is when we find out that Lasseter's hand came back with gunshot residue on it and the bullet came from his gun. But I do love that Sean immediately jumps in to defend Lassie and he's like, of course he did. He's at the shooting range all the time. Like there's never a time when he doesn't have gunshot residue on him. What are you talking about?
00:58:25
Speaker
But again, also wonder if like in this. scenario if handling the weapon that had just fired the shot would put it on his hand? I don't really know. That's a good question. Yeah, what yeah what what is the limit to the accuracy or the the faithfulness of gunshot residue?
00:58:47
Speaker
I don't know how any of that works. I just hear it on shows like this. Yeah. I was just going to ask, like, and where does it even come from? Like, does it come from the the barrel of the gun? Does it come from the... Yeah, I don't know.
00:58:59
Speaker
And that probably sounds very silly. if, like, someone knows how... Why would we know? I don't. That's true. I would never know. have no reason to know. um But, yeah, I could imagine that if...
00:59:13
Speaker
Knowing what happened, someone took his gun, shot the gun, and then he picked the gun up in the dark. Like, if it's at the barrel of the weapon and he picked it up by the barrel, course he's going to have residue on his hands.
00:59:28
Speaker
because he just picked it. You know? Like, I don't don' know. Don't know. But this is too damning of evidence you know to continue to let Lassie be as he is. So Vic sadly has to suspend Lassie.
00:59:43
Speaker
Very heavy moment. I was going to say again, the delivery! Yeah. So good. It's relinquished your badge. Oh my... It's so good. It's so sad. It's so, like...
00:59:57
Speaker
then she kind of wants to say more, but she doesn't. Yeah, you can tell she can't. She just has to go. know. My gosh. She delivers her lines so well. I just love, love, love, love.
01:00:11
Speaker
And then I love Sean leaving too. Also very serious. I know you didn't do this, buddy. I'm going to do everything I can to prove it. Yeah. promise
01:00:23
Speaker
Just so good.
01:00:26
Speaker
And poor Lassie, I mean, even though everyone, theoretically, he loves and cares about is on his side, he's still, i mean, kind of dejected. Because he just lost his badge and everyone thinks he murdered this guy that he didn't murder, so...
01:00:42
Speaker
He decides to possibly at what he would consider his lowest point. Yeah. Although go to the boys. Not as low as he's going to get. That's true. Well, in time, he yeah yeah, he goes to the boys and asks for their help.
01:01:02
Speaker
Sort of. Sort of. I'm giving you the chance to work with me. Yes. I do that all the time. Are you going to help me or not? Yeah. I love how he frames it like he really does not want to ask for help no but he needs an in and i think he realizes obviously he can't tap Jules he can't tap Vic in this so the only people he can shunning us yeah and I mean I feel like he trusts them They do good work.
01:01:33
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I saw the murder a week. Okay. Sean astounds him. If anybody, and also like, we also know.
01:01:44
Speaker
Yeah. I think it's that same episode. Maybe not. um But like he, he has commented on how Sean just can make some outlandish claim yes that turns out to be true like he he will take leaps that last he was unable to take correct and that's kind of what he needs right now because all the evidence right yeah is pointing to him yeah he does kind of need a miracle i just have written down here especially considering how little i believe in you
01:02:20
Speaker
And then they they're like, okay, yeah, we'll take the case. Sit down. We usually ask a couple questions. And Gus goes, number one, did you kill that guy?
01:02:30
Speaker
And Chuck goes, Gus. Oh, Gus. As if that was like some like outlandish thing to ask him.
01:02:38
Speaker
But Gus, yeah, still doesn't really believe that he didn't kill him.
01:02:43
Speaker
Oh, God.
01:02:47
Speaker
And Lassie asks about the process. And Sean says, usually it starts with a holla and then ends with a creamsicle. And then think Gus rests on it too. And Lassie's like, some thundercats.
01:03:02
Speaker
Yes.
01:03:06
Speaker
Oh my God. Just so, just so fun. Oh, and then is this when the horchata guy's outside? Yeah. So they have to leave again. Gus thinks it's the horchata guy. yeah Sean is pretty sure it's the frozen yogurt guy.
01:03:22
Speaker
Yes. Either way, delicious. It's funny that I've never heard of a frozen yogurt guy. Oh, yeah. Just like on the street. I guess that's true. Like you need a whole machine.
01:03:35
Speaker
but Well, actually, in New York, they have those like soft serve trucks. Maybe it'd be like that. Oh, like ice cream trucks? Yeah, but yeah and that's not the kind we have here.
01:03:48
Speaker
do you guys have there Just, they have like bars of ice cream Oh, no soft serve truck that I've ever seen. Ours have both.
01:04:01
Speaker
That's sad. Soft serve is great. Not that sad. but they um I definitely think of that as like a New York thing. That's so interesting.
01:04:12
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's so funny.
01:04:16
Speaker
And then we go back to the station and Ocampo really seems to want to like move this along. He thinks that this is like an open and shut case.
01:04:29
Speaker
And it does look like that. It does, yeah. i mean And he is building a case. you know i mean And the next thing is like it would... Alassie would be arrested. It would go to trial. like It's not like...
01:04:42
Speaker
it would just end with this, you know, there would be more process. So Ocampo is building a case. Right. Which is his job. Yes.
01:04:52
Speaker
He is doing what he is supposed to be doing. um But Juliet and Vic seem a little, again, apprehensive.
01:05:04
Speaker
Well, they don't trust that guy. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yes. So they they don't trust him. However, don't necessarily know if that's like 100% warranted.
01:05:20
Speaker
And I'm just going to say that in the respect that he is collecting legitimate evidence. It's not as if he's planted anything at this point. Yeah. I mean, I guess their point of view is that this is like a career maker for him.
01:05:36
Speaker
Oh, sure. And I mean, not to say that he doesn't have a case. He's making a case because he has one. Exactly. um But obviously they have allegiances.
01:05:48
Speaker
And, you know, Vic says we got to do this by the book. hu Which is true. Like he is going to sniff out any.
01:06:02
Speaker
Right. corner cutting or whatever um as as we have said as is his job um but there's a couple comments there's the comment about him having drinks with the da right yeah talking about him being a politician yeah yeah and they don't say i feel like a lot of times like when you have a character like that
01:06:29
Speaker
In a TV show. and They'll be like um running for something or something. And so it's like they're trying to do... Rub shoulders with... Something.
01:06:40
Speaker
And so I kind of got that impression. Okay. I could see that. I mean, it seems like maybe he's sucking up to the DA for...
01:06:54
Speaker
i don't i couldn't really tell if it was like just romantic Because like Vic makes a comment of how like cute she is or something. I totally that. pretty little DA. Oh, okay. yeah um
01:07:12
Speaker
Let's see um As far as I'm concerned, the pretty little DA a can wait. Ah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I feel like it's there's definitely a lot of subtext.
01:07:29
Speaker
Like we are not getting the full story of like all the different relationships, which I feel like right is part of this being like the interdepartmental like politics episode, you know, like they these people know a lot about each other. Right. Because they all work in the same sphere. And so it's like as much as Ocampo knows Lassie's reputation and knows exactly where to kind of poke and prod to get at him. Like they also know like what Ocampo's up to and like probably nobody has perfect reputation. Oh, sure. Yeah, who doesn't? So they're they're weary. They're just a little weary.
01:08:16
Speaker
Yeah. Of what's going on. And later they think he did it. So, I mean, I guess they really don't don't trust him.
01:08:28
Speaker
Yeah. And it is, again, like, trope-wise, the classic enemy is the internal affairs officer. um So, and, yeah, maybe once they kind of realize it's not him, maybe they'll.
01:08:46
Speaker
get over themselves a bit well yeah i do think it's also very everything's very heightened very emotional right now so even if they have like the tiniest sense of should we trust him it like you know goes to the nth degree in this moment yeah yeah and maybe like as much as they are coming into this situation where lassie is innocent until proven guilty ocampo's coming kind of coming at this like he is guilty unless you find something else else but right everything says he's guilty so i'm gonna build this case to prove that yeah he's never even entertaining that lassie didn't do that and that probably doesn't sit well with that sure yeah yeah yeah oh i get that
01:09:37
Speaker
So, I think you go to the office, i'm not the office, but the police department, and Drimmer, just have, oh, I think that's when Jules is assigned to Drimmer as a partner. My note is just, Drimmer, angry face, angry face.
01:09:56
Speaker
Yes, angry face, angry face, indeed. Which
01:10:01
Speaker
You know, this kind of made me question, like, how are detectives assigned? Because it's not as if, like, Drimmer himself didn't have a partner. Like, he did. We were just talking to him in the beginning of the episode regarding, because he's a part of the gang unit, regarding how they weren't able to catch these guys.
01:10:20
Speaker
So why? It does seem like there's three of them. If I'm remembering correctly. So maybe it was more of a like a task force or a unit or something. And he didn't have like a formal partnership.
01:10:34
Speaker
Okay. That would make more sense. Because I was like, how could they just pull... like This seems too... like convenient. It is very convenient. Put him with jewels. I mean, we are watching a TV show. I know.
01:10:51
Speaker
But I want it to be real. This man who just showed up is suddenly very important. he is Yeah. Yeah, and he really like He is really trying to be this kind of like, yeah even just his, his like physicality in this first little scene with Jules.
01:11:11
Speaker
He's a big dude. Like he's tall and he's like pretty broad, but he really seems like he's trying to make himself like seem a little bit smaller. And he's very like deferential to her. Like he opens the door for her.
01:11:24
Speaker
yeah later he lets her drive which gets her cupcakes yeah yeah he's really buttering her up which i i couldn't tell was he really like infatuated with her or was this more of his ploy his ploy yeah that's what i think at least totally like why just to win jewels over yeah or to find out about i almost feel like that seems worse though Yeah, it seems for him to really be taking advantage of.
01:11:53
Speaker
Yeah, like he needs to just play it cool. um I don't know. ah he as
01:12:02
Speaker
As clever as he is about parts of his facade, he also seems kind of dumb in in other ways. Yeah. Yes. Some of his choices don't really make sense.
01:12:14
Speaker
Yeah. Let's just say, you know, we don't catch the smart ones. don't know. Well, then we go back to the office and now the boys have popsicles. They got Lassie a grape blonde, although he does not want a popsicle.
01:12:28
Speaker
The boys are going to share it. I'll take a lick, you take lick. Yes, yeah. How do we share it? And then i I just, I love how, like, softly Sean says that.
01:12:39
Speaker
I'll take a lick, you take lick. You take a lick. You, it's yours.
01:12:47
Speaker
no um and then we get our flashback flashback this is our flashback flashback yes but yeah yeah i think it's fun how uh sean brings this i think he says like he has like a psychic feeling or something that lassie hasn't told him everything yes yes and lassie's like i did i Yeah, I told you everything I saw.
01:13:13
Speaker
Yeah, so but then, so we play the sensory deprivation game, or we try to, but of course Lassie won't close his eyes around other people.
01:13:24
Speaker
just love that line. I never close my eyes around other people. I know. There you go with Lasseter and his quirkiness. Funny. Funny.
01:13:33
Speaker
So yeah so sha takes his
01:13:38
Speaker
Blindfolds him. Which is also kind of a fun callback to the flashback because Henry blindfolds Sean. um And Gus is just casually eating his popsicle while this is going on. The cut's back to Gus just like watching, eating his popsicle.
01:13:55
Speaker
um And Sean asks him to tell them what he hurt and you heard.
01:14:04
Speaker
And then a faint squeak. A faint squeak. Yes. And love that delivery too. I heard a faint squeak. Yes. Like, oh my gosh.
01:14:17
Speaker
Which, like, a laugh, you know, talking about, like, getting in on their process... Like this must have been kind of maybe like an aha moment for him to like, oh, okay, they do actually have a little bit of a process. That was actually a pretty good idea. Yeah.
01:14:32
Speaker
That was a good call, Spencer. You know? Oh, this is when the horchata guy in frozen yogurt, I come up. Oh, it's here. Okay. So we're derailed again. um So they deal with that. And then they go to the station. Yeah.
01:14:49
Speaker
ah Lassie has to wait in the car. sad Police officer puppy. Canine puppy. Um.
01:14:58
Speaker
Yeah, because he's not allowed to go in since he is suspended. And um Sean and and Gus go in instead. And they go to find Jules so that Jules can obviously bring them down to the holding cells.
01:15:12
Speaker
At which point they find out that Kenny Loggins was down in the cells when everything happened. And of course this leads to just multiple riffs about Kenny Loggins throughout the rest of the episode.
01:15:25
Speaker
Which I just think is really funny. Like, who do you think or how do you think they got to like, oh, yeah, we should just put. I don't know. Well, it's also funny because like the man and is Kenneth Loggins. Kenneth Loggins. And so it's like, I mean, I wonder maybe they picked someone who had like a name like that where they can make it a full like a formal name and really play with that.
01:15:50
Speaker
Although it be like a Philip Collins, perhaps. Oh, Philip Collins. Yes. um Yeah. And ah Kenneth Loggins is, it it's just funny.
01:16:01
Speaker
It just works. Yeah, it does.
01:16:05
Speaker
And I like that his children's album, House at Pooh Corner, gets a nod. Yes. Which I grew up with. um Yeah. well I like that that Kenny Loggins is enough of a like legitimate reference that other people other than Sean and Gus get it. Like when they go talk to Henry later, Henry gets it. He's like, Kenny Loggins, like what?
01:16:27
Speaker
And then they have to explain like, yeah, it was a good pull. Yeah. I always just say things to Henry and he's just like, what? I know. Henry's always on the catch-up, huh? Yeah, it reminds me in the Christmas episode where they were talking about all the different names and he's like, how many relatives of the guests are that?
01:16:46
Speaker
Yeah, so good. um Yeah, so but Jules is too busy for them. She's not going to go escorting them around. She has to go work her other cases and Drimmer that when he comes and calls her oh no that's later never mind never mind yeah they they gotta they gotta go because they're they're busy working on other stuff so sean and gus have to go stealth mode in order to get into the holding cells and gus says yes hit the jackal switch and sean is does not look very amused just like
01:17:31
Speaker
ah Hits the switch. Begrudgingly. And yeah. And then Gus does a little shimmy all the way down. I love. I love the little shimmy.
01:17:43
Speaker
It's just so funny. Oh my gosh. And then I think we cut back out to Lassie briefly as he sees Jules and Drimmer get in the car.
01:17:55
Speaker
And he he he's like child locked into the blueberry. he has to like roll down the window and let himself out. And by the time he gets out there, hard he gone. And he has such like a sad puppy dog face. Yeah, like that really sets him off, it seems.
01:18:09
Speaker
Because after, so he he just walks off into the distance kind of like. His physicality is very sad. It's very sad.
01:18:21
Speaker
Because, you know, jules is his partner yeah yeah and i wonder if like he feels like she replaced him like if that's part of what yeah that's puts him over the edge like he doesn't even have her his corner anymore right yeah he's not getting the full story yeah in in all of this so i could see how that could be pretty painful
01:18:47
Speaker
And then we jump down to the holding cells. We've got this very creepy man. yeah Who just wants an ear. Sean's like, I don't know if he's going to take it from you.
01:18:58
Speaker
Keep your distance. Yeah. He wants someone to talk to, apparently. And it has to be Gus. We had ah are one of our silent whispering arguments. Because Sean needs to go look at stuff.
01:19:10
Speaker
But so good obviously, Gus doesn't want his ear taken. Yeah. And this is when Sean goes to the breakers. Yes. gets to the breakers. And um I guess he figures out that the light was turned off, yes? Yeah, that somebody did it.
01:19:26
Speaker
Because it wasn't all the way turned back on. There you go. Okay. And um so someone had to hit the lights, which I guess is...
01:19:40
Speaker
It was just convenient that the station lights also went out at the same time? I think so. Okay. Fair enough. And um he also finds... He looks for the the faint squeak.
01:19:56
Speaker
He's like kicking things. Yeah. Yes, which I...
01:20:03
Speaker
I love that all Lassie had to do was say faint squeak and Sean just like, got it. I will find it. Don't worry. And he figures out that it was the...
01:20:15
Speaker
the cot in one of the holding cells that made that faint and squeaky noise and we then later find out that or no i guess we knew that it was kenny loggins who was in that holding cell um so he wasn't quote-unquote passed out as we thought he was yeah he moved Yes.
01:20:37
Speaker
um So maybe he saw something. So the idea now is that the boys are going to go and find Kenny Loggins at his usual haunt, Tom Blair's Pub, and ask him what he saw, if he saw anything.
01:20:54
Speaker
And there's a bunch of quips about what way he has to figure this out and blah, blah, curds and whey, blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah.
01:21:05
Speaker
They end up going to Tom bear Blair's pub. Well, first they realize Lassie's missing. Oh, yes, because they go back to the car Lassie's not there. Which, sad boy. Yeah.
01:21:18
Speaker
um And I wonder why they didn't just call him. think they did. Oh, they did? Okay. Yeah, because they say later you're not answering your phone when they do see him. There you go. There you go. this I'm telling you, I feel like I miss, even with paying attention, I feel like I still miss half of what happens in the episode. It's fast.
01:21:37
Speaker
It's a screwball. It is a screwball. 100%. I feel like we could watch all the episodes again and still find more stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So we then, after we figure out Lassie's gone, we go to Tumbler's pub and as we pull up, we see that there are an ambulance and cop cars and sadly, Kenny Loggins is dead.
01:22:01
Speaker
The only reason that we know it's Kenny Loggins is because he has a piece of his shirt torn off that was still in the holding cell and he's still wearing the same shirt. oh Good lord.
01:22:13
Speaker
So we've got no witness. um One witness has been murdered. Murdered. We've got two murders on our hands. We haven't been doing a murder count. No. Remember that again. We'll have to do that at some point.
01:22:27
Speaker
Murder count. I kind of just write it. need just notes in here. and need just like a board. <unk> for There's like a big just white wall here. Oh that's a good idea.
01:22:41
Speaker
yeah it'll help i literally have like a mini it's like a desk setup for desk setup in my closet i don't really have anywhere else to do this um any who's it they
01:22:59
Speaker
oh then they go back to the office yes yes and we find lassie shadow of his former self he's so sad he is now we joked earlier well they joked earlier that his civvies were identical to his yes work wear but he was wearing a gentleman's shoe yes obviously different um but now he's fully dressed down in jeans we i mean sean says is that my shirt um
01:23:31
Speaker
so he has really given up yeah um he finally ate some snacks gus's tapioca pudding from the fridge and they just the boys don't know what to do with him because he's just like so dejected yeah and what do you do when you don't know what to do You take him to Henry's house.
Henry's Depression and Rule-Breaking
01:23:55
Speaker
The only answer. and And Henry is not thrilled by the idea. it's also funny. I mean, last he said no to the popsicle. i don't know if he said no to other things, but part of this depression he's entered is he's eating everything in sight.
01:24:13
Speaker
Okay. i He's breaking out of the carton. Yeah. Yeah. Breaking all of the rules in the Henry house. And this is already. oh right.
01:24:24
Speaker
This is after they go fishing. Henry and Lassie, right? No. No. We haven't gotten to the truck. The truck raffle yet. No.
01:24:36
Speaker
Dagnabbit. Okay. Right. Is that the truck raffle episode? no have we gotten to the one where henry's trying to give away um of sean's old stuff no i guess no we haven't i don't think and i i'm okay because i'm thinking
01:24:58
Speaker
i think that uh henry's girlfriend Isn't it that young woman who wants like an man? okay.
01:25:09
Speaker
She's in that, right? And that's like a ways later. that's so yeah tons of time later. They're like, maybe that's a different episode too. I don't know. We're getting jumbled. don't know. The point I was going to say is, henry I thought Henry had spent time with Lassie already, but maybe he really hasn't.
01:25:28
Speaker
spent like personal time with Lassie yet now we gotta find out let's see Lassie gosh dang it Henry fishing
01:25:40
Speaker
psych
Sean Seeks Henry's Advice
01:25:41
Speaker
episode yeah let's see which episode is this I have a quick question in which episode do Henry and Lassie go fishing together yes oh okay we have watched that oh okay okay season one episode 13 ah Which may be why Henry is like, don't want.
01:26:02
Speaker
That's what I was going to say. Yeah. One day, that's all I can do. You cannot put me with him for more than that. Yeah, because they kind of butt heads. The one I was thinking of was with that girl where they're like barbecuing in the front of his house and Lassie is there.
01:26:17
Speaker
you you remember that? are you talking about the blonde girl yeah the one who follows them when it's when sean and jules are together oh yeah it's like season seven yeah but i'm just thinking like what what is going on there that lassie's over there but whatever we'll get there when we get there it's quite a tangent there's a couple times where henry just like has meats and just invites people over yeah for cooking of said meats so i wonder if maybe that was one of those instances I do think they become more friends.
01:26:51
Speaker
Yeah, more chummy as time goes on. Yeah. So I do also love that. So they bring they bring Lassie to Henry's house. And Henry agrees one day, no more.
01:27:03
Speaker
They're standing at the bar in the living room. I like how Henry's like, isn't this the time when you ask me for advice? Yeah. No. he knows how this works oh yeah he knows the structure of the show he's in come on no ah yeah i love how sean plays it off and he's like all right let's
01:27:28
Speaker
i get it i just think it's so sweet that he still like goes to henry for advice and of course part of that is that henry is one of the only people that knows that he's not actually psychic true but also he knows that henry does have good advice like henry has trained him henry does like see things a little bit differently than sean does and he essentially tells him yeah you know i think this was an inside job and and henry was like cool your horses or whatever the saying is i still don't remember hold your horses hold your horses
01:28:01
Speaker
where am i getting cool from cool your jets i think we we when we first discussed this the same broke this down cool cool your jets slow your roll that's one too isn't it yeah hold your horses gosh dang why is english so confusing very poetic language i just my gosh too many words for my tiny little lizard brain.
01:28:28
Speaker
um Yeah, so Henry tells him, like, calm down, essentially. You've got to have hard evidence if you're going to argue that. Well, he seems very worried, too. Like, because I'm just thinking about it, like, because he's like, he's kind of like, don't even say that. But it's almost, I wonder, because he tells Sean to not go to the police department, don't go looking around, don't get yourself in trouble. And so he's, it's almost like he,
01:28:56
Speaker
is like, that may be true. You don't want
Investigating Missing Records
01:29:01
Speaker
to be the next victim. Right. The backlash of you starting to say that, yeah, might be bad.
01:29:08
Speaker
Yeah. um Like, if this guy, he's already killed two people. So it's like, it's kind of interesting because on the one hand, it's maybe like, you know, you got to be careful about saying that and like, get all your ducks in the row. But also, he's just like, watch your back kind of.
01:29:26
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, clearly, yeah, clearly they're dealing with a dangerous person if he yeah has killed two people in such a short span of time. And so Henry makes Sean promise that he's not going to go to the police station.
01:29:40
Speaker
Makes him look him in the eyes when he promises. Sean promises. Henry is seemingly satisfied. He leaves to go towards Lassie. and yeah they leave to go to the police station and Gus is like you just promised and I love that Sean's line is how long have you known me?
01:30:00
Speaker
Like
01:30:04
Speaker
like of course I'm not going to do what my father says. Hello?
01:30:09
Speaker
So they go to the station and they look through they go to the records room which why
01:30:16
Speaker
Why do they go to the records room? I guess to just to see why Kenny Loggins has been arrested in the past i think they're trying to make a connection. connection Yeah, that makes sense. Although I don't really understand... why because it seems like it would make more sense to make a connection between chavez and some something about him being scared wasn't didn't they talk about he yeah he was so scared oh i guess yeah he would have had to know the person i feel like that's i um i guess when they were talking about that i just assumed it was like
01:30:50
Speaker
He was scared because it was police officer. And just like Henry said, like it could be dangerous to accuse um someone of authority. Oh, right. So they might not necessarily, he might not have necessarily had to know this person, but just know that. Yeah, that's kind of how i took it. But I guess what what you're saying makes sense that that all of that talk was like,
01:31:13
Speaker
he would have known him right which i mean i guess it makes sense he wouldn't necessarily know that every person in a suit like it could have been anybody could have been a lawyer whatever um so so i guess they're trying to see maybe like who has arrested him in the past yeah who has had in the past dealings with on those records um Yes, however we get there, and Kenny Loggins seemingly doesn't exist. He's not in the computer database.
01:31:45
Speaker
His paper record records have been torn from the binders. And Sean gets smudgy stuff all over his fingers. so Mm-hmm.
01:31:58
Speaker
He's flipping through like fingerprints and stuff. Ah, yes. Yes. In the in the binders. Yeah. And they hear someone coming down the stairs. So they you know rush out of the room, put everything back, go close the door and shows up Jules.
01:32:15
Speaker
Sean is having a psychic spasm. something is missing in here he screams as they open the record store and this is when ah jules looks around and sees what the boys saw that there are records missing from the binder and says that ocampo our internal affairs friend was just recently in the records room shredding papers da da yeah dun dun dun so my question is is he in on this or is this just a coincidence
01:32:46
Speaker
I think it's just a coincidence. Okay, fair enough. But it, yeah, it is quite a coincidence. Very much so, because I can't imagine. I feel like, yeah, if you're in the records room, who's shredding papers in the records room? Why do they have a shredder in the records room?
01:33:04
Speaker
That's a fair point. Yeah, there's gotta be like. The records are stuff you're supposed to hold on to. Yeah. You have a dedicated room for it. Come on. Get your shredder somewhere else.
01:33:16
Speaker
Yeah. So they, because we think that things were shredded, we go and we find the, guess, custodians.
01:33:28
Speaker
Yeah. Jules is very excitedly like, the janitor's still here. Let's go. Yes. And they pull all the shredded paper out of their And they are going to put it back together with tape. Yeah. And I love like Sean is like very serious about this and it kind of seems like something Sean would be good at. But we. ok So interesting.
01:33:50
Speaker
I really want to talk about that little back and forth between Henry and Gus.
01:33:59
Speaker
in the puzzlers yes in the next scene so we cut back to the or we cut to the office and Sean is pleading a cramp so he cannot put the papers together even though it does seem like something in his wheelhouse and I feel like we have seen him do it before or seen him do it at some point at some point we totally do um so I guess he's just feeling lazy it's fair enough that I feel like tracks for Sean yep And Henry walks in because Lasseter is driving him crazy. So we find out, he's like eating everything in the house and he just doesn't want to go back and deal with him anymore.
01:34:40
Speaker
so Yeah, so Sean goes out to get them some brain food from the peanut guy, and Henry sits down to help Gus and is seemingly, like, ah just savant-level good at this because he grabs, like, three pieces of paper and already has put them together.
01:34:56
Speaker
And Gus acknowledges that Henry is really good at this, and he says, it comes from a long line of puzzlers, Gus. And Gus goes, Sean is horrible at puzzles.
01:35:07
Speaker
Henry goes, it skips a generation. Which, I don't think that's true. I don't think Sean is bad at puzzles at all. I wonder if it could be that he, like, seems bad at puzzles. Like, he seems bad at this simply because he doesn't want to do it.
01:35:21
Speaker
He's just lazy and wants to get out of it because literally their entire job is a puzzle. Well, that's the thing is I feel like with him, like, and with their job, he is very passionate about it and very attentive to it.
01:35:36
Speaker
really wants to solve those problems, but like on just a puzzle, maybe he doesn't care. okay So it needs to have stakes. Focused. Yeah.
01:35:47
Speaker
Yeah. He has to be invested in it. I mean, which makes, I mean, I think we've talked about like the kind of smart he is. i feel like it's almost like the cliche of like applying yourself. Like he's, a he applies himself when he cares about it.
01:36:04
Speaker
Yeah, I guess I just think it's such an interesting thing for Gus to say. Like this person who knows Sean so well, like to say that Sean's not a puzzler, like he's not good at puzzles. Well, what he says is Sean is terrible at puzzles, which I mean, and what they're doing is piecing papers together. yeah you think Maybe he is literally saying he is terrible at puzzles.
01:36:25
Speaker
Yeah.
01:36:27
Speaker
Okay. I think that that I that I believe. Yeah. Because I don't think he has like the attention span. Exactly. To sit down and just literally do like small puzzle. It's a different kind of like it's still yeah solving something. But it's like there's it doesn't change really. There's no like yeah yeah big dramatic moments like there is in working a case where it's like you get a clue and you like.
01:36:56
Speaker
Yes. You know you're piecing things together. in his mind and it's surprising and stuff. A puzzle is really not like that. Yeah. I think I, interpret when I heard it, I think I interpreted it as like, Sean's not good at solving like riddles or things. And I was like, what are you talking about? was like, Guster, are you just annoyed with him? But that I can see him like sitting down and having to actually do something kind of.
01:37:20
Speaker
Yeah. And it makes sense that Henry would enjoy something like that. I feel like yes because He's more introverted. Yeah. Yeah. And he also, you know, we have, he's more traditional in like his kind of detective work. Like he would sit in a stakeout for days and days that maybe right Sean might get bored of that. Like we just saw him sit on the boat for...
01:37:46
Speaker
or they theorized that he was on the boat for three days waiting for Sean to show back up. Like he probably would have no problem doing it. He fishes.
Sean Confronts Drimmer
01:37:53
Speaker
He sits on the water for hours and hours in silence. Like he is good at that kind of stuff and enjoys that kind of stuff.
01:38:00
Speaker
Sean, not so much. Yes, yes, yes. i I think that makes tons of sense. Yeah. So Gus and Henry are inside puzzling it up. Getting really far, too, because by the end of, like, an interaction with a peanut guy, they have an entire paper together, ah which it seems like they weren't able to do that before. So maybe Henry is just really fantastic at this.
01:38:27
Speaker
ah But outside, Sean runs into... Drimmer who is running on the pier and they start chatting it up while Sean is with peanuts. He has like three big bags of peanuts that he's holding. And I'm shocked that he was able to contain himself and not eat those peanuts during this interaction.
01:38:51
Speaker
So good on him. ah But maybe he was just so distracted because Drimmer starts talking about how he's wondering if Sean and Jules are an item because Juliet just talks about Sean. It's funny because it's almost like it's a very similar beginning to a conversation That Jules has with April. But the vibes are so different. Totally different. And the intent is very different. Yes.
01:39:16
Speaker
Yeah. That's of fun. I think. Yeah. There's earnestness with April. And here it's definitely more deceit. um and else I'm thinking more about like Sean holding all those peanuts. And taking a punch. And like.
01:39:31
Speaker
So again. Adding to d Drimmer's whole thing. Like he leaves. Presumably leaves an incredible scene of a crime where probably just peanuts everywhere, right where Sean had been standing.
01:39:44
Speaker
Outline of Sean's body.
01:39:49
Speaker
Yeah, he definitely didn't seem to like have thought this that far through. I think maybe it was like, okay, Sean's presumably a psychic and and also very good at his job.
01:40:02
Speaker
So at some point, he's going to figure out that I'm the one who did this. So I need to get him out of this equation somehow. Yeah. And I wonder if he even goes into this situation knowing what he's going to, like knowing he's going to take sean out or if he's like because he comes into it like you know like are you getting anything about this lassiter thing like he's trying to play it like he like he wants to see what sean knows if sean is suspecting him at all um right oh you're right it's not until he notices the smudgy fingers
01:40:40
Speaker
Yeah, when Sean sees Drimmer has smudgy fingers, which is what he had after looking through the records, he realizes it is Drimmer. Like, there's no question. Yeah.
01:40:50
Speaker
And I don't know if Drimmer sees him see that. I think he plays it off. Well, because he's like beginning something, aren't you? Yeah. Yeah. And so i I wonder if he makes the choice in that moment to deck Sean. And that's why it's not very...
01:41:10
Speaker
Not as calculated as maybe it could have been. Yes. Yeah. I think that makes sense. Cause I mean, even Sean like turns around and goes to walk away and it seems as if Drummer takes a moment and decides.
01:41:24
Speaker
Yeah. And then he goes, Hey Sean. And Sean turns around just, and it seems like he hits him hard. yeah I mean, Sean takes a beating in these last five minutes.
01:41:35
Speaker
Yeah. I know. I know. He gets pistol whipped. Yeah. yeah Oh my gosh. and That is hard to watch. I, yeah. That looks serious. I mean, a beautiful performance by James Roday Rodriguez. Yeah. He really
Uncovering Drimmer's Crimes
01:41:47
Speaker
makes it seem very intense.
01:41:49
Speaker
Yeah. So Sean gets knocked out because again he gets punched pretty hard and Drimmer has seemingly carried him back to Lassie's apartment or a house because Sean was knocked out and didn't know how he got there and wakes back up in Lassie's house and Drimmer has a gun on him.
01:42:11
Speaker
And Sean, of course, just starts, like, talking and and babbling because this is what he does. And Drimmer tells him to stop talking. And Sean's like, let the sound of my own voice. Which he does have a very nice voice. So I do understand that.
01:42:27
Speaker
But he then starts, you know, nutshelling to Drimmer and essentially saying... you know he were on Chavez's payroll, hence why he never got caught. And you had to take him out when you found out that he was going to turn state's witness because then he could have given evidence against you.
01:42:46
Speaker
So you had to kill him. And then I, he doesn't really say anything about Kenny Loggins, but I guess the assumption is that Drimmer realized that Kenny Loggins saw him, so he had to kill him.
01:42:58
Speaker
Yeah, well, and when in the, nut shelling like visuals yes I always wonder I guess I mean that's Sean's imagining of what happened yes or is it what actually happened yeah that's a good question um I that's a great question
01:43:26
Speaker
feel like always kind of read it as what Sean that's what I would say yeah That's that. Yes. That's what I would say. Yeah. And in that, Drimmer has night vision goggles of some sort on.
01:43:42
Speaker
So presumably he could have just seen Kenny Loggins watching. right Which. Or maybe he saw him move out of the corner of his eye and realized.
01:43:53
Speaker
Right. Something. i was thinking about that too. Like thinking of Drimmer kind of thinking on his feet about. decking Sean and taking him back to Lassie's.
01:44:05
Speaker
mean, if Drimmer had like a little bit of time to think of his plan for how to handle Chavez because, right you know, they they knew Lassie was coming. They all were like waiting. So he was probably plotting, but still it's like he had to think fast.
01:44:23
Speaker
um And also at the same time though, I wonder how how did everybody know that he was but they made him a deal. At what point was a deal made?
01:44:35
Speaker
It all seems to happen very fast. It does. And wonder if that also indicates that Chavez, that it was Chavez who
Lassie's Preparedness and Strategy
01:44:45
Speaker
sort of turned himself in in a way. Yeah.
01:44:48
Speaker
Like maybe Drimmer knew he was going to make that deal. ah Because otherwise, it's like yeah all these people who must have been communicating about this, I don't know how they were.
01:45:00
Speaker
Right. um Yeah, so there's that. And then it's like he sees Kenny Loggins see him. He's got to kill Kenny Loggins. Right. He sees Sean is on him. He's got to kill Sean.
01:45:11
Speaker
He's got to kill Lassie because Lassie, you know, Lassie didn't do it, but he's taking the fall. And then it's like knowing he like punched Sean outside the office and people were waiting for Sean to come back. Like, are Gus and Henry next?
01:45:23
Speaker
Like, because this is like a snowball. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they totally could leave. He's like fully cracked. I mean, yeah what is his endgame? I don't know like what he thinks is going to happen after all of this.
01:45:41
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I think he, well, yeah, i think he just wants to get away with it, obviously. But he, I think he's at the point where he's now so delusional that that's going to happen that he's just willing to do anything.
01:45:53
Speaker
Yeah. yeah kill lassie kill sean possibly kill henry and gus like who whatever yeah as long as he could possibly get away with witches of course yeah i'm not gonna not gonna work out that well
01:46:10
Speaker
yeah so what he does oh and then do we go to the station and gus and henry go and see jules So Lassie gets a text from before. Yeah.
01:46:27
Speaker
as before yeah I have a line, spooky music. That's my next note. And I was like, what was that when they go to the station? um but it is they might It might be because literally right next. Like I think Lassie gets the text and then Henry and Gus go to the station maybe to like, quote unquote, provide Lassie time to get to his house.
01:46:49
Speaker
um And they go to ask Jules if she's seen Sean because he's gone missing. And Henry, of course, has to say the, the, cop TV trope of he hasn't been gone for 24 hours yet so he's not missing which I don't think is accurate um regardless they're worried about him and they start yeah they just inform Jules we don't know what they're going to do yet oh and they tell her he was last seen with Drimmer and she's like he will he told me he was leaving town to see his mom yes and very important yeah so they are
01:47:29
Speaker
He is seeming suspicious now. Yeah. To them too. Yes. So then we go to Lassie's apart apartment. keep thinking it's an apartment. Lassie's house.
01:47:42
Speaker
And Lassie walks in to see Sean sitting on the couch. And of course, Drimmer with Gunn now pointed at him as well. And Drimmer kind of lays out as villains do his like entire, you know, plan.
01:47:56
Speaker
for this. You're going to write a suicide note talking about how you killed the guy and you also killed Sean because the two of you were former lovers and blah blah blah blah. blah and um
01:48:10
Speaker
In all of this time, Lassie is trying to calculate, I would guess, kind of what to do here. Because, again, Drimmer has a gun.
01:48:21
Speaker
um But both him and Sean are in danger and Sean gets pistol whipped at some point. He's like holding his head on the couch and in pain and it doesn't really look too great for them.
01:48:35
Speaker
Yeah. And Lassie seems very concerned about Sean like... Yeah. Rifle-y so. Yeah. I mean, because I think for as much as Sean like interjects himself and everything, he's not a police officer, right?
01:48:49
Speaker
He is still technically a civilian so I think... maybe there's a little bit of extra like you don't like little baby like i'm sorry you need to be like in this situation you know what um so yeah so i i do love the point lassie you know we kind of get drummer like monologuing and lassie falls towards a toaster oven and tries to Look for something. I love Trevor's line, which is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what you doing over there, Lassiter?
01:49:20
Speaker
Looking for one of the guns you had hid? Like, he's so, like, ha-ha, you're not going to get me. Like, what you think you're doing? And then Lassie just has this, like, stone-cold look in his eyes. Oh, gosh. That's exactly what I said. Cold as ice. Like, just... And I like...
01:49:38
Speaker
it's the first time we see dreamer kind of waver where he's like what are you what are where are you going like he because he's got his gun on sean uh-huh um which it is interesting that he chooses to keep it on sean and not lassie yeah yeah because arguably lassie is more of a threat um but i guess maybe sean's kind of a wild card one nb yeah yeah sorry oh i was just gonna say and he he's pretty sure that all of lassie's weapons are gone yeah i was gonna say maybe he's keeping it on sean because he knows that lassie wouldn't do something to jeopardize sean's life because he kind of like a civilian but lassie would certainly do something to jeopardize his own life or sean would you know like again such a wild card sean um
01:50:30
Speaker
But who knows? This
Humorous Resolution and Preview of Next Case
01:50:32
Speaker
ah confidence, if you will, from Lasseter. Yeah, Shakespeare. Causes him to kind of like pull his eyes off of Sean for a minute. And Sean jumps up.
01:50:44
Speaker
pushes his gun out of the way. Lassie dunks his hand into a peanut bowl on the counter, pulls out a gun, and shoots Drimmer in the shoulder in the midst of a struggle between him and Sean.
01:50:56
Speaker
And it is just like, chef's kiss beautiful. Action sequence. And yeah, Lassie looks...
01:51:06
Speaker
unmoved like he is yeah in complete control of that situation yes um and which shooting him in the shoulder also indicates like he specifically hurts him and doesn't kill him yes um so that's exciting and then just as that happens i think jewels and gus and henry and some black and whites burst through the door um
01:51:37
Speaker
um
01:51:40
Speaker
And it this is also when we find out that Lassie has eight weapons his apartment. I highly doubt they found the one in my shower.
01:51:52
Speaker
i just love the idea that Lassiter is prepared for anything. He's a mess. Yeah. I mean, he, yeah.
01:52:02
Speaker
and the fact that he had first of all one in the peanut bowl that's pretty good spot one in the toaster oven lassiter what if you want to make toast or something take it out every time and put it back that seems inconvenient what if you forget it'll get hot i was about to say like maybe he doesn't cook at home a lot like maybe oh i could see that but like a takeout kind of person his groceries were extensive The sole purpose of the toaster oven is to house the weapon. Yeah.
01:52:32
Speaker
Yeah, his groceries were pretty pretty nice. he had a scene He must do some cooking because he had lots of fresh fruits and vegetables, including a pineapple. Yes, including a pineapple.
01:52:46
Speaker
so yeah all wrapped up nicely and then we see Lassie like I don't even know what this like kick the yeah the shell out of his gun oh yeah I don't even know what it is good know yeah he's all cool cop yes he has got his groove back yeah we go back to the station but I'm not sure what that's about we go to the station to get our check yeah Because we still haven't gotten our check yet.
01:53:16
Speaker
And Lassie's there, even though he's supposed to be on vacation. Yeah, he said he's going on vacation, but this is his vacation. I guess he just likes working. yeah um But he thinks...
01:53:30
Speaker
John and Gus sort of, he says, I mean, granted, I did save your life, but I know I wouldn't be back here if it weren't for you. John says, it's okay. We know you would have done the same for us. And Lassie says, let's not go crazy. Yeah, let's not go crazy.
01:53:45
Speaker
And then he...
01:53:49
Speaker
It's so ridiculous. He had a boy the boys each an envelope. Which you're like oh my god, Lassie's so sweet. like Maybe he's gonna like pay them for their time. or Nope, he gave them each a coupon to Hal's Hoagies.
01:54:05
Speaker
Which, you know, to be fair, is actually kind of consider it considering how much they eat. That's true. maybe You're right. Maybe he observed all of the eating they did in their process and he was like, here you go. And so it was like a very intentional gift.
01:54:22
Speaker
For Lassie. Yeah. yeah um But yeah, it's specifically, I believe, for a free bag of chips with the purchase of a sandwich. Yeah. so it's not even like a gift card it's just like a coupon just a coupon um yeah and he says it's the least i could do and guess yes it is yes it is yeah it's just so good but then he also yeah Got the check signed.
01:54:51
Speaker
So that was nice. Finally have closure on that. Yes. Thank goodness the boys finally got paid. They can get their TV back. Yes. And part of the condition for coming to the station was that Sean was not allowed to chat up Juliet, but he sees her and he does his weird little lip curl and he goes after.
01:55:13
Speaker
can't resist. Yeah. and Yeah. And yeah. So now we're back in our psych room. world with our psych friends and that's it yeah it's such a good one really a ah classic episode yeah yeah big episode and next is earth wind and wait for it oh is this the see i always get this one and the um
01:55:44
Speaker
The one with the car. Mixed up. believe it's the fire investigation one. It's the... fire ah investigation one oh so it's the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. i cheap You know why I always get it mixed up? Because in my mind, I go earth, wind, and fire, obviously. But then I think, oh, earth, wind, and fire.
01:56:08
Speaker
The 70s. So I think it's the seventy s episode, but it's not. It's the fire investigation episode. This is also a great one. Yeah.
01:56:18
Speaker
This one, yeah. I find this case to be very sad. It is very sad, yeah. um It's very sad.
01:56:28
Speaker
I think it's... Yeah, I don't think it's going to be nice to get a little bit more nuance to our villains, if you will. Yeah. Not quite so cut and dry. Yeah, and kind of a continuation of this...
01:56:45
Speaker
the themes of this episode it is sort of a vigilante story yes and those same questions about who gets to decide yeah what justice is so yeah It's heavy one.
01:57:02
Speaker
It is. i mean yeah they're hitting us hard this season, huh? Yeah. ah Really trying to get it. We're in the thick of it.
01:57:12
Speaker
They're like, before we get too psyche, we got to make sure that everyone's just really thought about. Mm-hmm. all the moral issues well i'm excited for that one do we do we feel like we need to watch anything to go along with it i don't i don't think so i was just skimming through the wiki and i don't see any like specific references although the music playing during the training scene is from the firefighting film ladder 49 but i don't think it's like a big okay thanks just a nod
01:57:45
Speaker
All right. I think we're okay then. um but nice Again, nice little break for us. A couple of weeks without movies. oh Well, if you'd like to join us back here next week on a Tuesday, maybe.
01:57:56
Speaker
Feel free to join us then. We'll shoot for it. Yeah, we'll see. but We'll be watching season three, episode 12 of the famed TV show, Psych.
01:58:08
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01:58:24
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