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S3E4: THIS IS NATIONAL TREASURE
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Series spoilers abound! We’re watching Season 3, Episode 4 “The Greatest Adventure in the History of Basic Cable”. The boys get a visit from Henry’s brother, Uncle Jack, and find themselves wrapped up in the adventure of a lifetime. Will they manage to beat all of Jack’s other partners to the treasure? Or will the Spanish gold stay hidden forever? We’re talking Don Quijote, National Treasure, Raiders of the Lost Arch, stories, adventure, reality, and more! So grab your secret treasure map and join Kylie and Skyler on this new episode of Phsysics 101!
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00:00:20
Speaker
All right.
Introduction to Psy6101 Podcast
00:00:21
Speaker
everyone, and welcome to Psy6101, where we discuss everything about the world of Psyche and the antics of Sean and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar, and
Episode Overview: 'The Greatest Adventure in the History of Basic Cable'
00:00:30
Speaker
this is my partner, Hippolyta de Bouchard.
00:00:32
Speaker
And today we'll be discussing season three, episode four of the famed TV show, Psyche. The greatest adventure in the history of basic cable.
00:00:44
Speaker
Such a good name. Such a good name. so fun. Hmm.
00:00:49
Speaker
Maybe like the most, I don't know, meta one we've had yet. Yes,
Music and Storyline Excitement
00:00:56
Speaker
I would agree.
00:00:59
Speaker
Definitely. Because it it harkens back to like all of the traditional adventure movies. While also referencing the fact that this is a TV show. Yeah. Basic cable.
00:01:11
Speaker
Yeah. It really like grounds it. Yes. Yes. takes the wind out of it a little bit. Yeah. Even though this is a very a very exciting episode.
Narrative Style and Comparisons
00:01:24
Speaker
So good. Yeah. Like just so much fun. Like the music is so intense. The storyline is so intense. Yeah. The structure is really fun. I know, huh?
00:01:37
Speaker
But it is the greatest adventure in all of basic people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the structure is really fun. It's the first time we get so many back and forths. Yeah, and when we came into it, I was like, oh no flashback again because we just had um the Bueller Bueller. But then like we do get one. it's I feel like they're just they're getting more creative with the form yes that they've established, which is really Yeah, absolutely.
00:02:03
Speaker
Yeah, they're playing with it more, which I do think is cool because I also think it helps. In this case, it makes the storytelling more interesting. Yeah. I love it.
Henry's Role and Character Dynamics
00:02:12
Speaker
It's almost like a bottle episode until the end because really they're in the room the whole time but we're getting the story and it adds these layers of you know like unreliable narrator like there's I love that moment where shot like we see Gus say something and then in in the present Gus is like I didn't say that that's I mean that's so clever and um
00:02:41
Speaker
Yeah, it just really adds an interesting quality where like you don't really know that you're seeing what actually happened, but you're seeing like a version of it, which is just really cool.
00:02:52
Speaker
Yeah. And I love too that in the police station, should so we start off with Henry, Sean, and Gus in an interrogation room in the police station. And I love that Henry is included there. Yes, me too.
00:03:08
Speaker
Because he does like – you talked about like grounding in the the title of Basic Cable. I feel like Henry is grounding to
Cast Interaction and Movie Tradition
00:03:15
Speaker
all of this. Just like cut the shenanigans. Like let's just tell them the stupid story. Yeah. This is like just the most brilliant like premise to bring all six of them together. Totally. Because, you know, we haven't – I don't know that we have had an episode where they are all sort of equal parts in it.
00:03:33
Speaker
You know, usually we spend it for like a second, Henry for a second, or maybe even Jules. yeah um And so that for them all to be in this space together is like rare. And yeah as a fan, I'm like delighted that my whole cast, all my friends are in the same room.
00:03:53
Speaker
And then, yeah, just like the energies that they all bring. Yeah. Yeah. I also love that. Go ahead. No, you're good. and mean, I'll just add this.
00:04:05
Speaker
ah But also love that in the story, like the start of the story, they're coming home from seeing a movie together. know. Sean, Gus, and Henry. Like, how adorable.
00:04:18
Speaker
So sweet. But I can imagine, like, that was something that they used to do as kids. Like, Henry would bring them to the police movie, you know? Oh, my gosh.
Home Invasion and Personal Stakes
00:04:27
Speaker
and i mean we have seen how henry was sort of the parent like the present parent and was kind of hanging maybe he worked nights or something but he like hung out with them a lot yeah during the day so yeah i could totally see him taking them to the movies yeah he was so cute and i love to make like fun of him being old like falling asleep he's like it's dark in there i get sleepy like good so
00:04:49
Speaker
if so good And I love, too, the almost like a immediate switch of them being like funny and playful to, oh my God, someone's in the house. Yeah. And he pulls out a taser from the birdhouse. Oh, my God. and And all the police had hand signals. I know.
00:05:07
Speaker
I know. That was i was thinking about because I feel like you often bring up. um like what does Sean know versus what is he like playing? Because that moment where Henry is giving him the singing signals and Sean is like, you want me to poke your eyes out on the roof?
00:05:25
Speaker
But then like he has his joke and then he immediately covers the back, which is like, it's like he does know, but he is, you know, keeping, he has to constantly be joking, which I feel like we're seeing what we will see.
00:05:38
Speaker
later how he sort of has to in a serious situation he has to keep it light or else yeah he can't kind of cope with it we see that a lot in the interrogation too yeah well and i feel like this there is something i think personally extra spooky about the idea of like someone being in your space oh my gosh Because it's like, you know, you're safe you're safe, comfortable, like nothing happens to you that you don't want to happen to you in that space.
00:06:04
Speaker
So to have someone invade that privacy, I mean, later we find out it's not that big of a deal who it was, but they don't know that at the start. So that is a very intense situation for Sean to have to be dealing with.
00:06:18
Speaker
So yeah, he needs some levity or else who knows he would do. Yeah, that's a good point too, because he also, in terms of you know, how much experience he has in these kinds of
Character Backgrounds and Influences
00:06:32
Speaker
situations. Like he's still sort of new at being, like it affecting him personally, you know? I mean,
00:06:40
Speaker
He had a classmate who he barely knew kind of get murdered. Like we didn't really see him react much to that. But yeah like this season, you know, having this moment where somebody's in the house and then it kind of foreshadows how somebody does ransack Henry's house later in the episode. Yeah. um And then like for this season to end with his mom being abducted and threatened by a serial killer.
00:07:06
Speaker
A serial killer who wants to play with him. Like that is as close as it gets, as personal as it gets. So we're kind of seeing it encroach on his life a bit more. Yeah. Yeah, and it's a good point. we I mean, we haven't seen that at all yet.
00:07:22
Speaker
So to get the little peppering of it before we get that very intense thing that's going to happen at the end and then continue really throughout the rest of the series to get more instances of that.
00:07:33
Speaker
ah It's interesting to see how he handles it in this one instance of this episode. And it's not even him. It's his dad's house. Yeah, which is his childhood home house. Yeah.
00:07:43
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, we've kind of seen him in that space, like with his mom coming home, we've seen him in his bedroom. So there is sort of this like, yeah, right it might and it's also always where he goes when he needs help or like when needs. Right, oh, that's a good point.
00:08:02
Speaker
When he just needs somewhere to go, like they always show up there. So yeah, it does it is representative of that kind of safe space for him. Mm-hmm.
Uncle Jack and Treasure Hunt Plot
00:08:14
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. i mean, we end up finding out, at least in this instance, it's just Henry's younger brother, Jack, Uncle Jack, if you will, who has, but I'm guessing, still broken into the house because he's like, you gave me a key. Henry's like, I don't give anyone a key. And Sean doesn't have a key.
00:08:32
Speaker
So question mark broke into the house. Yeah. Wouldn't put it past him. Yeah. And, you know, he's an interesting character, Uncle Jack.
00:08:43
Speaker
I can tell how he is related to Sean. Yeah. If you know what I mean. Like he's very charismatic. He's a smooth talker. Like he's very energetic and loves these kind of unique niche things very similarly to Sean.
00:09:02
Speaker
But it's so interesting seeing him in the same space as Henry. Mm hmm. it is going to sound crazy but it not being shan because i feel like jack and shan are more similar than henry and shan or henry and jack so to see another shan-like character in henry's vicinity is interesting he doesn't put up with jack i mean from almost the onset he's like annoyed and rolling his eyes at everything that jack does and to be fair jack's like a total liar about most things so yeah a con man really completely yeah he does he kind of he toes this very interesting line between like
00:09:49
Speaker
con man and legitimate treasure hunter because at the end of the day we find a legitimate treasure that's true his process to get there is like lying cheating stealing everything he can yeah like how many different partners does he have and i feel like maybe 15 different partners in this episode for yeah because his whole thing is every time he basically encounters someone to get their help it's like you and me are going to split it 50 50 so he has like and And that's sort of all that all the drama comes from these people who he's double-crossed all coming after them as they all converge on this actual treasure. Yeah.
00:10:30
Speaker
Well, and... That's kind of interesting as a like a lesson too, right? In that all of his lying is coming back to bite him in the butt. All of his cheating is coming back to bite him in the butt. like he you know If he had just stuck with one or two people and they like played it straight, you know maybe they would have found it and there wouldn't have been any issues.
00:10:52
Speaker
Yeah. But his whole thing is that he's just using everybody. And that's why he's come to Sean. Because he's like, oh, you're a psychic now. I'm going to use you too. And it's like, it's really heartbreaking. I feel like they do a great job showing this sort of like don't meet your heroes kind of.
00:11:09
Speaker
Yeah. on it Because even like as soon as Sean realizes it's him because he finds the penny that he leaves. feel like we've skipped a lot of setup. Yeah. you guys it's not what it is here you've seen it um but uh as soon as he finds that penny like the way his face lights up like yeah he really becomes a kid and i mean we have been talking so much about this sort of push and pull between like the child like person or in this case like the fun uncle type person and the more like grown up like the real stuff that you have to start dealing with
00:11:48
Speaker
And feel like we see it again here in a completely different way, which is like so cool that they keep revisiting the same themes and like hammering them in. hu But yeah, he's just like, he's got like this childlike wonder and then he really has to...
00:12:04
Speaker
Watch this figure fall. And it's really quite sad. The big fall from Greece too. Yeah. Like that. and asked to Well, just just the way that he sort of sees it coming to like, it's like, he doesn't want to, but it's like, he knows that he's going like, Jack is going to let him down like that.
00:12:25
Speaker
It's hard to watch. Yeah. The, the parallel between. Him finding the penny and that childlike wonder face he gets and then him finding the treasure and the face that he has after quote unquote giving it to Jack and Jack driving away is heartbreaking.
00:12:47
Speaker
So true. Absolutely heartbreaking because he you can tell he is just so disappointed. hmm. But like you said, I mean. Yeah, the weight that conversation in the car when like Jack's like, no, no, no. like I'll just take the treasure. You guys, we got to split up. Trust me. I know this. and And the way Sean just watches him and just knows he's being played, but just lets it happen because he's playing it back, which is like i love the moment earlier when Jack is like,
00:13:18
Speaker
kind kind of calls Sean on being a fake. Yeah. He can't snow the snowman. Yes, yes. In the end, Sean, ah because Sean is capable. He learned from the best. He is also a swindler and a con man in his own right, which brings in the jewels of it all, which we can't really get into, but...
00:13:37
Speaker
To see this this figure in Sean's – this like formative figure in Sean's life. Knowing that Sean was so influenced by that and then knowing what she's got going on, it's like – I know. very ah Very clever narrative construction there. But anyway, yeah, it's just
Narrative Layers and Literary Influences
00:14:00
Speaker
– It is quite sad to watch.
00:14:03
Speaker
You know, it's it's an interesting thing, too, because feel like Sean, in this universe of Psych, I feel like Sean looked up to Jack and therefore, like, part of him wanted to become Jack.
00:14:19
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Jules... looked up to her father and maybe because she had like the real life smacker in the face a little sooner than Sean with Jack, Jules like totally pushed all of that away.
00:14:35
Speaker
So it's interesting that they have like kind of similar upbringing. Yeah. i go to those two But they're very different in how they handle that. Yeah.
00:14:46
Speaker
That's totally, that's a great point. Cause like, You could kind of see it in Henry's influence on the situation because, like, as you're saying, Jules was let down many times a lot earlier. Whereas, like, and Sean says to Henry later, like, why didn't you ever say anything when we were kids about, like, basically about what a –
00:15:10
Speaker
I know what a bad old Jack is what kind of person he is um And Henry says, like, I wanted you to have the fun uncle, but that's why it's so hard on you because I didn't want you to become the fun uncle.
00:15:22
Speaker
Yeah. um Which is interesting to think about. Because we've seen Henry like give Sean so many lessons.
00:15:35
Speaker
And it's almost like he's trying to set him up to figure it out for himself. Or I wonder again back to like I say again as if we've talked about it so far. We have not.
00:15:48
Speaker
me I wonder what Henry's upbringing was like, because I could imagine if his parents were like kind of distant and let Jack get away with all of this stuff.
00:16:02
Speaker
That in Henry's mind, by him teaching Sean these lessons and trying to, like, let him figure it out on his own, he was thinking, okay, if I teach him these lessons, he will not become Jack.
00:16:14
Speaker
Because Jack was never taught those lessons, you know? Maybe but Henry is like Jules. Yeah. because we know that his dad was like don't listen to everything your dad says and like you know we kind of saw we saw him for a glimpse really but he was more like jack it seems and henry is sort of the um like the black sheep of that family as far as we know yeah i i could totally see that yeah and that would also kind of
00:16:48
Speaker
kind of makes sense as to why there are like aspects of Jules that Sean really likes, right? Because we tend to, psychologically speaking, find people to spend our life with that mimic relationships that we've seen in our past.
00:17:05
Speaker
So if Sean is used to seeing kind of a more Henry Jules type person, like a straight laced, follow the rules, do the right thing, it's the right thing to do, it wouldn't necessarily...
00:17:20
Speaker
um be
Sean's Complex Character and Relationships
00:17:21
Speaker
out of the ballpark to think that he would want that kind of person in another aspect of his life. Yeah. Yeah. they Because they do have some shared values, which Sean, despite being you know, having certain qualities ultimately also like he yeah also really, um has a lot of, you know, deference for the truth and wants like, as much as he is a liar, which is such an amazing, um, contradiction in him.
00:17:56
Speaker
ah he, he always wants to find out what's really going on. Um, which he shares with both Henry and Jules. Mm-hmm. Yeah, i probably one of the things that make them all really great cops.
00:18:10
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:18:15
Speaker
So, well... Should we go back to the meeting? Probably. don't know. i mean We kind of skipped ahead a bit. We do. as we do um Yeah, so they're in the interrogation room. We don't really know why, but... Yes.
00:18:31
Speaker
Vic, Lassie, and Jules are all trying to...
00:18:39
Speaker
get the story out of them we don't we also don't really know like what we just don't really know what's going on anything yeah yeah and we sort of keep seeing in the corner some man in a suit who looks like a yes like a a fed of some sort yeah um Spanish speaking and so we don't really know what his deal is but he's like on the phone um and Vic Lassie and Jules seem to think that Sean, Gus and Henry are in some sort of trouble.
00:19:16
Speaker
Yes and know something. Yeah. We still don't like really know what that something is. Yeah. This is an interesting like we're it's I'm trying to put my first time viewer hat on. like So much is revealed like way later.
00:19:38
Speaker
like You really have to piece. It's kind of a treasure hunt. Yeah. In terms of like following the narrative. Because you are trying to piece together like what is all going on. And even at the end, Gus is like, what?
00:19:51
Speaker
What happened? What just happened? Hold on.
00:19:56
Speaker
um Because I love the detail at the end that once these people descended upon Sean and Gus and Henry, ah Sean refused to speak to them until they were in the station.
00:20:12
Speaker
yeah so it's like he... The reason that they're there is because that's where Sean agreed to, you know, be questioned or tell them what he knows or whatever. So, like, that's, yeah again, so smart of Sean to... oh my gosh.
00:20:29
Speaker
You know, bring it back to the home turf. Yeah. Well, especially because we... You know, we know very little, but in that instance, they also know very little. Essentially, all they know is there are people in a helicopter that have just picked us up.
00:20:43
Speaker
Who they are, we don't know. Why they're here, we don't know. What they want, we don't know. So to be like, get us to not only somewhere where we're comfortable, but also... police Yeah. Smart, right? Because they theoretically can't do much to them then.
00:20:57
Speaker
Yeah. And it's clever too, because like these, ah these people are claiming to be from the Spanish government and and part of a intergovernmental task force on stolen antiquities, I think.
00:21:10
Speaker
Yes, I think you're right. Just rattled that off without notes. Yeah. um Great. From Spain. And,
00:21:19
Speaker
and So they're using a cover that involves authorities. So it's it is very clever to take them to, you know, another authority and be like, because you would assume and they would sort of, in order to retain their cover, have to kind of go along with that.
00:21:41
Speaker
Yeah. They can't be just like, no. Right. And by going to the police, they now have to prove it right one way or another. They have to prove that they're legit. And they kind of try to do that.
00:21:53
Speaker
If there's at one point where the guy in the suit tries to give Vic like a letter from your treasury department. But it's like you can tell Vic's kind of like, yeah I get it, but that's not happening.
00:22:07
Speaker
You know, you're not going anywhere with my people. They are employees of the SBPD. But again, they're trying to save themselves or trying to get themselves out of this situation so that they can go and get the treasure for themselves or use Sean to get the treasure at least.
00:22:20
Speaker
hmm. Yeah, i I like the premise and I like the premise of them telling the story and us watching the episode through the story being told.
00:22:34
Speaker
I do always get confused, though, at the end when they go back to the forest and then Augusta's like, I lost my other shoe. And I'm like, wait, I this heart lost one shoe. Yeah, because we're we're in the same place, but we're not in the story anymore.
00:22:49
Speaker
Correct. Correct. it Yeah. I had that moment too. Oh, right. We're post-interrogation now. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I do. love This is, I don't sort of ah an art thing, I guess. But I love that the titles that say the time and stuff are in the psych font.
00:23:07
Speaker
I feel like that really helps keep it light too because it's like got, it's this like cartoony little thing.
Themes of Trust and Betrayal
00:23:15
Speaker
Yeah, it is. Typewriter-y. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Keeps the theming.
00:23:19
Speaker
i do enjoy it. Mm-hmm. So we essentially figure out that Uncle Jack has come back to Santa Barbara from Argentina, as he says.
00:23:31
Speaker
um Argentina, because he is following another treasure hunt. And this is like seems to be one of the like formative treasure hunts for Jack, maybe, because he's been telling this story since Sean was all of like seven.
00:23:45
Speaker
Yeah. yeah and I gotta say, watching this, I mean, we watched Raiders of the Lost Ark, which we can dabble in um yeah to prepare, but watching the episode, because I watched that first, and then we also talked about maybe watching some National Treasure.
00:24:05
Speaker
our favorite. Yeah, the best, which I maintain is still the best after watching Indiana Jones. but But neither of us got to it, but I do feel like it's very National Treasure, like kind of more than anything else.
00:24:24
Speaker
Definitely. Running around town. Yeah, and the way Jack even like kind of looks, he has sort of a Nicolas Cage-y vibe. He does. he and I mean, he's less earnest for sure. He's not really a ah Ben Gates character at all, but he's sort of like what maybe the world thinks of Ben Gates in a way.
00:24:45
Speaker
Oh, I like that. Yeah. yeah Because he like the that whole scene felt very much like the, you know, the family history of the Gates, how they had been telling this story for so long and he had been following it for years. And I was like,
00:25:01
Speaker
And then you have these like yeah sort of law enforcement figures and and these other people competing for that, like in the same scene. I was like, this is National Treasure.
00:25:12
Speaker
This is the psych version of National Treasure. Which I love that we were like, it's got to be, you know, one of the more classic ones. But let's do.
00:25:24
Speaker
Which, when did National Treasure come out? Was it like 2003 or something? That's a great question. 2004. Okay, so yeah. Oh, I wonder when National Treasure 2
Cultural Myths and Adventure Genre
00:25:35
Speaker
came out.
00:25:38
Speaker
And when is National Treasure 3 coming out? Oh. Are they still doing it? I don't know. Better. ah It's been long.
00:25:48
Speaker
Yeah. 20 years almost. I need it. Updates February 2025. Yeah, I don't think there's anything solid. Darn.
00:26:02
Speaker
there were or Jerry Bruckheimer says they're working on a script. Oh. um And if Nicolas Cage likes it, they'll make another one. So we'll see.
00:26:14
Speaker
We'll see. Cover fingers do it, Nicolas Cage.
00:26:19
Speaker
But um so National Treasure 2 coming out in 2007, that would have been like right before this. So that's definitely like a big, you know, like a franchise of the moment. And there's this influence of like the more classic eighty s jeff um So, yeah.
00:26:39
Speaker
Anyway, it's like, wow. And then, like, also the separating of the key and the map that didn't want to have them together and that the other people get the map. This is national
Sean's Intuition and Problem-Solving
00:26:50
Speaker
treasure. I know.
00:26:54
Speaker
This is just a ah condensed national treasure in Santa Barbara. Yeah. Because I was also, like... You know, I was looking for Oh God, they even go to a bell tower.
00:27:06
Speaker
Yeah. Oh my God. We should have watched National Treasure. Gosh darn it. Because I was looking for like indian Indiana Jones stuff and I'm like, this doesn't really feel like National Treasure.
00:27:22
Speaker
Totally. So yeah. I feel like in my imagination- my my imagined memory, I was picturing Jack in like a hat.
00:27:34
Speaker
Like looking like Indiana Jones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair. I guess had a bit of a, he hadt just had like that sort of rugged explorer vibe. Yes. um Long hair and whatnot. oh hat though Maybe that's the matching fedoras line. Maybe that was all could be a nod to Indiana Jones.
00:27:53
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:58
Speaker
Oh my gosh, I totally didn't make the connection, but you're right, there are so, so many between the two.
00:28:08
Speaker
Now I'm just thinking i look i how much I want to watch National Treasure.
00:28:13
Speaker
Yeah, I like that we also get, i mean, they they're running around Santa Barbara, we don't get like too, too much of Santa Barbara, but I do like that we get and of other characters. canon things about santa barbara like i like that there used to be a massive yeah bell tower edifice i love that there is an old lighthouse i love that there are these painted caves that henry used to like go and rabble rouse yeah rouse yeah i love that that's so cool i love that sean knows the caves are slippery because he was probably one of those punks like the team yeah
00:28:48
Speaker
I just think it's fun, like, getting this little those little bits about the world. it feels very, ah like, alive, this yeah this Santa Barbara that they're in.
00:29:01
Speaker
Yeah, and I think the music really adds to that, too. Like, it's very, like, dramatic. yeah It is almost kind of um national. Yeah.
00:29:13
Speaker
If you know what I mean. manager Yeah. Yeah. It's very big. Very exciting. As Sean's just walking through the streets with his arms out. Like it makes it feel even more than it is.
00:29:27
Speaker
um But it's an adventure episode. So it has to be. Mm hmm. Yeah. This is a bit of a sidebar, but I was thinking about how I think in the, or not for size, we're for size.
00:29:42
Speaker
That's us. Psychologists are in for the um season two finale episode with the mummy, which, name oh, Sean and Gus of the Dead.
00:29:55
Speaker
um Steve Franks talked about how they tried to get the music as close to Raiders of the Lost Ark as they could basically. yeah yeah um And so maybe maybe that would have maybe that's more of a comp for for that episode.
00:30:14
Speaker
um But yeah, they definitely like strive for capturing that the same mood as the genre that they're playing with in the music. And they do an amazing job. They do. They do really good job.
00:30:30
Speaker
Yeah.
Treasure Discovery and Episode Resolution
00:30:31
Speaker
And I think that You know, that speaks to as we go later and later on and we start getting the theme songs changing. Like even that they do a really great job of like mimicking it is that they're referencing in the episode in just the theme song and doing it justice, you know?
00:30:52
Speaker
yeah. Yeah. yeah And it feels very like loving too, which we've talked about before. Like it just being like a true homage.
00:31:03
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Which is really very sweet, very fun. Alright, so yeah, so they go, Jack shows up and he gets the boys to join in on the treasure hunt to look for Bouchard's treasure.
00:31:19
Speaker
Which is the treasure story that he's been telling, like I said, since the boys were kids. And the boys remember the story because clearly this is pretty formative. I get it, conspiracy theories are cool.
00:31:30
Speaker
So now... He has actually managed to get a piece of information that makes it seem as if this treasure hunt could actually happen in reality. He has a map and he needs Sean and his psychic abilities.
00:31:46
Speaker
Even that, like, no, it's real this time. i have yeah a map. Like when Ben is like, no, look what I found. and then dad's like it's a good clue another clue just another a clue yeah it's true and henry is definitely that dad makes sense wait okay hold on if henry is the dad and jack is ben who is riley gus and who is abigail and sean is abigail
00:32:22
Speaker
See, like Jack has to go to Sean for help, which Abigail has her expertise. And then Gus is just like, why am I here?
00:32:33
Speaker
It's perfect. This is exactly what it is. And the dad ends up getting roped into it. Yes. And they all go together. They all end arrested. um my God. huh This is it.
00:32:45
Speaker
And then they end up with the treasure in the end. And they give it to the museum. And they give it to the museum. It is – oh, my God. It's National Treasure. I might just go watch National Treasure. Edit to the homework.
00:32:59
Speaker
Watch National Treasure. Take out Raiders. but
00:33:06
Speaker
I feel like it is funny because we –
00:33:10
Speaker
You know, a lot of this sort of project has been looking to the past and to the 80s. And maybe also be like coming straight up, right out of the little foundations.
00:33:20
Speaker
Yes. Curriculum has us also thinking like that because maybe last season we did watch some more contemporary stuff, maybe with like the telenovela. Yes.
00:33:30
Speaker
yeah But yeah, I wouldn't have thought that like National Treasure would have been the reference point. Same. Same. Because it was a contemporary.
00:33:41
Speaker
Right. Film. And I think too, like in. So tell tell me if you feel the same way, but in my mind. psych and national treasure live in like two different parts of my life like national treasure is like a movie i watched as a kid psych is something i watched as like a teenager into forever yeah there two separate things so in my mind psych can't have known about like national treasure like what like
00:34:15
Speaker
it doesn't mesh for some reason, even though they're referencing things like right around that time too. Yeah. And like for them to be ah sort of have having come out right around the same time, particularly with the second one.
00:34:30
Speaker
um Like that is weird to wrap my head around because yeah um
00:34:36
Speaker
I feel like psych is so nostalgic and And for an era that I wasn't there for, that it's like weird that it would take something that I am nostalgic for.
00:34:49
Speaker
Yes. I think, yes, I think you just phrased exactly what brain was saying. Yeah, exactly. Like they just don't, in my mind, they don't mesh. They're doing like two different things.
00:35:02
Speaker
But really, it's the same thing. Well, Emma, we have talked a lot about like sort of the continuum of different genre. And like ah National Treasure is a part of that, too.
00:35:14
Speaker
And I was kind of looking back for like the best treasure hunting movies and stuff, trying to see if, like, is National Treasure like a total reference to something else that Psyche is also referencing? But I don't think it is. I think they were i think it's just really National Treasure. It's just amazing.
00:35:31
Speaker
But, yeah. you I mean, there are some other treasure hunting movies, but some of the ones that were like looked kind of older seemed darker too.
00:35:46
Speaker
So maybe not quite. Yeah, National Treasure is like a treasure hunting family movie. okay Which I don't know...
00:36:00
Speaker
if in the past that would have, those two things would have gone together. Like even Indiana Jones, like it's not really a family movie. I mean, it's not like not a family movie, but it feels more like young adult kindred to like the mummy.
00:36:16
Speaker
Exactly. Yes. Agreed. Later when I was like queuing our posts on Tumblr, there was a post on the mummy that was like, it was referencing it as a horror film.
00:36:29
Speaker
And I was like, Oh. Oh. Interesting. and I was like, that actually makes me get it more. Because I was like, this is terrifying.
00:36:43
Speaker
This is not the rom-com I was promised. It's true. So, I mean, and ah Indiana Jones, which I also... I have never seen any of the Indiana Jones movies. So this, that watching Raiders of the last Lost Ark was my first foray.
00:37:02
Speaker
Wow. and Yeah. um And I thought it was kind of cute that it's just called Raiders of the Lost Ark. And it's like they didn't even know what they were creating, yeah which is fun.
00:37:13
Speaker
Yeah. um yeah who But it felt oh it felt definitely more kindred to the mummy. and um And then it also went to kind of a horror place.
00:37:28
Speaker
Yeah, in certain aspects, definitely. Like at the end when everybody's faces melted off and stuff, which I think I have i have seen that before, that visual or like a meme of it or something. Yeah, that's fair. It's very a part of common culture. Yeah.
00:37:43
Speaker
Yeah. So, yeah, definitely. know, we've talked about sort of different genres and where they branch off. And so I could see the continuum of like, you know, the old mummy, new mummy, or I shouldn't even say that. The old mummy, Indiana Jones, the new mummy, and then um
00:38:08
Speaker
sort of branching separate from that, keeping the similar sort of like There is a treasure hunt element to it. Mm-hmm. They're sort of in it for different reasons. Oh, and no. And the other one on that mummy continuum, Da Vinci Code.
00:38:26
Speaker
Ah, yes. Which that was another thing was that the ah and Indiana Jones also had an element of magic that I wasn't expecting. Yes, I know. I do always kind of forget that too, watching raers of the floor Raiders of the Lost Ark, because the, I mean, the general premise is this thing based in science, like archaeology, and he's a professor, and they're going and finding artifacts, and then the artifacts are part magic the end.
00:38:58
Speaker
Yeah, but it's kind of the same tension we saw with the mummy where we have these characters who are like, you know, pshaw, we can corrupt any or we can, no curse is actually going to happen. And then it does. Right, right. And then there's like the believers and stuff. And so like it that was all like the mummy too. And I mean, Da Vinci Code.
00:39:18
Speaker
So the Da Vinci Code dealing in like contemporary religion sort of doesn't entertain people. non-believers. It's sort of like, you know, this is this is what it is.
00:39:34
Speaker
Which is interesting because it's, you know, if you set the Da Vinci Code in, you know, thousand years, it might not have the same. Sure.
00:39:45
Speaker
ah They might not have the same perspective on the lore that they're working in yeah um as they do in one that comes out in a Christian culture.
00:39:56
Speaker
Yeah. I do so think you could you could argue the same about national treasure. Like some of the stuff they just, it just is as it is. Like obviously the Freemasons actually had this major treasure that is somewhere. And obviously they put all of these clues into the founding documents of that, whatever, whatever, right? Like, yeah, that is just a thing you must accept.
00:40:19
Speaker
yeah Well, I do think national treasure I feel like it works so well with the founding fathers because in yeah the United States, there is – they sort of are treated like godlike figures.
00:40:34
Speaker
And so they sort of – they – There's a groundedness to the fact that they are just people who are historical figures, but there's so much like reverence for them in the U.S. Yes. it sort of has It is able to capture that same sense of like grandeur and significance that like the Da Vinci Code does with the actual you know Jesus Christ.
00:41:04
Speaker
was And so it's very... it's very I feel like that almost makes it work more for me because I'm like, I don't have to be thinking about yeah yeah if I believe in magic and gods and stuff because they're just people. But right right I was raised in a culture that really reveres these people. So I'm like, yeah. yeah Yeah. And I do think like and the the way that they are spoken about or thought about or taught about in US history is often...
00:41:38
Speaker
i want I want to almost use the word like preordained. i don't think that's the correct word. As often I do not come up with the correct word, but like obviously. like these people were going to be, because we're looking at it in hindsight, right? So all of these things that George Washington did led to the moment that he was going to lead the, you know, revolutionary army, blah, blah, blah, right?
00:41:59
Speaker
So it feels very almost action adventure when the story gets told from, you know, a 2025 lens or a 2000s lens or whenever it was that you were learning about it. Yeah, even more probably.
00:42:12
Speaker
yeah oh, definitely. yeah I feel like we're we're getting a little bit better, I'm going to speak as a general, we are getting a little bit better of ah doing less of the hero worship and more of the, these were just people.
00:42:26
Speaker
They made decisions, some of those good, some bad. They could be wrong. ah hu Yes. And um yeah, we is their word infallible? No.
00:42:37
Speaker
Anyone's word infallible? No. um But back, yeah, back when we were kids, it was definitely more of like Well, also, we were kids, so like we didn't have the critical thinking or even just like the exposure to like other points of view or other information because that's not always shared with children.
00:42:57
Speaker
yeah um But I do think it's very clever in terms of like you know thinking looking at this trajectory of these action-adventure treasury movies rooted in myth, like National treasure fits right in there, even though there's no magic.
00:43:15
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. it's it Well, it's the myth of the founding of the nation, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because really, what is myth when you think about it? Most of the time, it is a story settled in a grain of truth that then expands far off of that, essentially what the founding of the nation is.
00:43:33
Speaker
Because in ancient times, there would be like myth about the makings of the states and stuff too. Yes, of course. um So, yeah, it's all the same.
00:43:45
Speaker
Yeah. But yeah, it's able to achieve that that same level of myth without sort of there needing to be like the effect of like, yeah, spiritual.
00:44:02
Speaker
And it's not that I don't like those things. Like I love witch movies. But there's something it. it's essentially a large movie. Yeah, Psych is one big witch movie.
00:44:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:18
Speaker
Yeah, but there's just something about it that sometimes I'm like, oh, it just works a little better for me when it's when that element's not there. I don't know. Yeah, no, I think there's something a little bit more fantastical for me.
00:44:33
Speaker
when it is something that could be. Like there could be some crazy staircase underneath Trinity Church in New York City that has bunch of children.
00:44:43
Speaker
Who's going to tell me no? Like, I don't know. There could be. that's kind of cool instead of like, could that box be magic? I'm not one to believe that. Maybe some others are.
00:44:55
Speaker
But I'm not one to believe that. It's like a harder leap to make. Yeah. Yeah. And when the rest of the movie is sort of, you know, just regular.
00:45:12
Speaker
And then there's just like a magical box. I'm like, hmm. I don't know. yeah Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, it's it's interesting. That is like just lining all those up together. We really have watched quite a trajectory of.
00:45:28
Speaker
We have. Of that genre. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I do think it is kind of funny if you cap that all off with like right at the end. It's very easy to see how that fits within the trajectory because it's really not horror. It really is action adventure, but in this very like extreme, fast-paced, witty, jokey, kind of fun, family-friendly way that plays into myth what i would assume might be like a myth of santa barbara or the founding of santa barbara or something like that that maybe people have heard like maybe this is something we did look up the the pirate and he was real so actual person which i wouldn't have assumed me either i didn't know until literally 50 minutes ago yeah
00:46:15
Speaker
But that's cool to believe, too, that like there could be this guy's treasure somewhere out in a cave. And imagine if you were living in Santa Barbara when you watched this show. Like, that's pretty cool to think it just hide him somewhere.
00:46:30
Speaker
Yeah. And I guess to that point, like it makes sense that National Treasure would be the closest treasure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. To Psyche. Also because Psyche doesn't believe in any – like Psyche as a show does not believe in anything really mystical at all, even though he is psychic.
00:46:46
Speaker
Allegedly. He doesn't believe in psychic. Yeah. um I'm going to go watch National Treasure after this. Me too. Yeah. But not number two because number two makes me sad.
00:46:59
Speaker
Number two is sad. and It's a bit better. can't wait. I was so able to watch until like the very end. I was going to say, I can't even remember the last time I watched that like final 30 minutes because it's really saddening. Yeah.
00:47:17
Speaker
Yeah. And this is why we need a third one because I need it to end on an up note. You can't end on a down note. And they really set it up. like it They did. i know. They were like, we're going to do another one. Basically, it was how the movie ended. then they never did.
00:47:33
Speaker
Almost 20 years later. Here we are. But this is the year of reboots. Yes, it's true. Let's do it. happen Let's do it. So Sean and Gus go on this adventurous journey with uncle Jack.
00:47:51
Speaker
They start by looking at the map and seeing what they can find. And Sean is able to identify. Couleur. Couleur. Couleur.
00:48:03
Speaker
Which Jack identifies as French for paint or painting. And this leads them to look at some paintings and they find one of Bouchard.
00:48:14
Speaker
And this drives them to then look towards a lighthouse because there's a lighthouse in the picture and there's a lighthouse in the map. And they then take their jump, their leap to that lighthouse, which is no longer standing.
00:48:31
Speaker
There's like a base of it and a plaque. um But the lighthouse itself is not there. So if there was a clue there, we might not know. We also do not know because Jack's former partner show up and start shooting at them. So that's now four times Gus has been shot at. Oh, yeah.
00:48:51
Speaker
That was like serious. I feel like another to the point of you know
00:49:01
Speaker
things kind of getting more personal and and real. Yeah, they were shot at. I know. And they they put it over, you know, some funny music. yeah so it didn't seem like it was that big of a deal. But yeah. like That's intense.
00:49:15
Speaker
Yeah. And like three. I mean, there was three guys with guns. It wasn't like one guy just trying to hit them. They look like mercenary kind of guys. They They're like big beefy guys. They look the villains in National Treasure.
00:49:26
Speaker
God, they do. Kylie. This is National Treasure. That is the title of this episode. This is National Treasure. Writing it down now. Perfect.
00:49:39
Speaker
Oh, okay. So I guess they i guess they actually catch them. Oh, right. Yeah. It's kind of hard to follow certain parts because we do jump back and forth.
00:49:52
Speaker
Yeah. Therefore, they don't tell like every part of the story. like Sometimes we just jump into a slightly new section. So... Mark, who is one of Jack's ex-partners, and two other guys who I would also assume are ex-partners, seem to kidnap Sean and Jack and bring them to a cabin in the woods.
00:50:14
Speaker
Terrifying. And tie them up to chairs and then, like, stack them all kind of next to each other and start to interrogate them about what they've been doing and the treasure hunt. Yeah.
00:50:27
Speaker
And they essentially end up giving Mark and his buddies the map from Jack's backpack. But they also let them know that the map is ripped. And therefore, it's going to be difficult to figure out the the clues in the map.
00:50:44
Speaker
They then leave to try and figure out the map. Yeah. And Sean, Gus, and Jack are left to their own devices, which this whole, this whole bit.
00:50:55
Speaker
I, again, back to the whole, like, what's the truth and what's not the truth. Mm-hmm. I couldn't actually tell because the bit is that Gus actually had his work phone strapped to his ankle, which fair enough. I wouldn't put it past Gus to do that.
00:51:11
Speaker
um Sean sees it and they end up like falling over and Sean pulls the phone out of Gus's, you know, ankle and then types in with a pen the phone number for Henry and then gets Henry to come But after telling the story, Lassie is like, well, like cut it out. How did he really find out that you were there?
00:51:34
Speaker
And Sean was like, I just have this telepathy with certain person people. My father, Val Kilmer, is another. And we seem to like accept part of that story.
00:51:45
Speaker
But I'm not like, is Sean actually telling the truth in the finding the phone on Gus's ankle? I mean, no one really seems to correct him. But Lassie doesn't really seem to believe it either. So I don't.
00:51:56
Speaker
Well, I got the impression that maybe that is what actually happened and he didn't. Lassie just didn't believe it. Or no, he didn't. Maybe he didn't say that That also gets us into trouble with the whole, like, we're watching the telling of a story, sort of. But then we're also watching the story at moments.
00:52:18
Speaker
So it's like yeah it's hard to know what happened and what didn't. But I kind of felt like because Lassie said, how did he know where to find you? And then Sean said, we communicate telepathically.
00:52:30
Speaker
i felt like he must not have said that he called him, but he did. ah okay that was kind of how i took it but okay that's fair it is murky it reminds me of don quixote oh my gosh perhaps the the first action adventure oh yeah totally novel um but i read this in college
00:53:02
Speaker
ah So, you know, forgive me. It would be a little murky. But what was so cool about it was that there was sort of a an introduction with a narrator. And the narrator kind of says, like, I'm just telling you the story of Dachio Day. So if you don't like it or you think it's wrong or whatever, like, don't.
00:53:21
Speaker
Oh, and the other thing was that the narrator is saying, I got this from some guy. I got this story from some guy. I'm translating it from this other language.
00:53:32
Speaker
So if you don't like it, I didn't write it. Yeah. It's not me. Don't be mad at Yeah. And it's such a like, and it's all written by one, like the actual writer is just one guy. But he like created this framing to be like, to really just almost call the entire story into question.
00:53:50
Speaker
Cause it's yeah not only somebody else's story, but it's like, it's been translated and he got it from some, ah other person like it just creates these layers and I feel like that is sort of what we have here because Sean is telling them the story but also Gus and Henry are presumably chiming in and we're watching a dramatization of the story or we're watching it actually happen like there's just like these layers yeah and all of that could be true because ultimately we're just watching those characters do those things
00:54:27
Speaker
Right. And there's one, just that one moment with Gus's line where he says, I didn't say that. That's the only time we really are like, that's not actually what happened. Right. So I feel like it could go either way as far as what we're seeing being what they're saying to Jules and Lassie or what actually happened.
00:54:50
Speaker
Yeah, it's so tough, especially because is... is
00:54:57
Speaker
Very much like Don Quixote, kind of just an unreliable narrator. Like he sees these – part of Don Quixote's thing is he sees like these fantastical things in the world that don't actually exist. And his um his friend who comes along with him is the one who's always like, that's a freaking windmill.
00:55:14
Speaker
Like calm down. It's not a giant. It's a windmill. Okay. Like relax. Yeah. And Sean is very similar in the respect that like everything to him is it's very big like joke and he and he really has to play it up and Gus and Henry are always the one that are like it's not that funny like take it seriously someone might die right.
00:55:31
Speaker
So who knows yeah I kind of feel like maybe part of the story is real but part of the story again kind of grain of truth. He's actually so doggie ho day like we have to read doggie ho.
00:55:45
Speaker
Oh my god, the like 2,000 page. I have it right there. I have one my apartment too. We can it again. I know, we're least check the page count. Oh my gosh. It is massive. Let me, let me. It's huge.
00:55:58
Speaker
And it's like, um it's huge. And the text is like the Bible. It's so small. But tiny yeah you're right. Like, we you know, we talk a lot about all the homage and stuff.
00:56:10
Speaker
And like, Sean is a figure who has watched a lot of stuff and thinks that's his life. In a way, he has made himself a psychic just the way Don Quixote has made himself a knight. Yeah. Yeah, simply by believing it's so and he he lives in a reality where all these things are true. And sometimes he seems to believe it and sometimes he doesn't.
00:56:28
Speaker
And like, you know, we've also talked about like, what is the perspective of the show? You know, what are the flashbacks? Who is telling this story? Like it, it is a Quixote, actually, now that you mention it.
00:56:41
Speaker
I think we have to read this 1000 page book.
00:56:45
Speaker
I do. I mean, I feel like this is probably a really obnoxious answer to that question. But you know, when they say, wait like, if you could make everybody in the world read one book, what would it be? I feel like Don Quixote, even though it's unrealistic, I feel like that's a great one because it really is so much about reality and how we construct our own reality and how yeah biased we all are based on what we have been told and um how like competing realities that like you can see the road one way somebody else can see it completely differently even if you're looking at the exact same thing and how do you say who is right or not like that it those themes are like so relevant right now
00:57:33
Speaker
in this world maybe at our goal our goal should be by the end of the series we need to have finished don quixote so then that can be like our our not our thesis what it capstone that can be our capstone discussion for this a comparison the culmination don quixote yes wow we have got to go back to school and psych Somebody needs to be writing these essays.
00:58:03
Speaker
There is a Gallatin concentration in this podcast. Right here. That's this. We just need to teach a Gallatin course. That's what I'm hearing. Dream. yeah Actually, I read Don Quixote in Gallatin, and I remember like the professor...
00:58:20
Speaker
this is, you cut all this out, but we read it 2016 when the first, when Trump's first election was happening. And I just remember her being like, talking about like how important it is.
00:58:33
Speaker
And there was this one guy who like, Like this MAGA guy who went into like a pizza parlor and thought that Hillary Clinton was like running like a child sex ring out of this pizza parlor and he came in guns blazing and she was like, this is Don Quixote.
00:58:48
Speaker
is Don Quixote. Yeah, no, he has constructed his own reality for himself. Wow. But Sean, like, because we have talked about how sometimes it really does seem like you know, he, like when he has a vision, it's like he's in it, you know, it's sort of, yeah he sort of believes it sometimes.
00:59:13
Speaker
You kind of feel that from him. So yeah, I would love to, I'm going to look at the ebook and see just how many pages my e-reader says Don Quijote is because I also have it in like a big text.
00:59:27
Speaker
i's gotline classic The Penguin Classic edition has pages. While some abridged versions can be significantly shorter, however, if we're going to do this, I feel like we're doing it all the Absolutely not.
00:59:40
Speaker
Yeah. Wait, we got it. The translation. The word count. The word count is estimated at 430,270. What? my
00:59:54
Speaker
that's wild
00:59:57
Speaker
Well, and also i have i like and also Don Quixote, us reading Don Quixote is actually a translation yeah of the original work.
01:00:08
Speaker
So it's a translation of a translation of a translation.
01:00:13
Speaker
The layers, I'm telling you. man Edith Grossman is the translation we read. All right. let's Let's do it.
01:00:24
Speaker
Okay. In five years, we'll come back and we'll discuss. I feel like we might just we might just need that amount of time with all the busyness that we do. wonder how long it took her to translate Don Quixote. Oh, good Lord. I'm sure quite a while.
01:00:40
Speaker
It's a huge book. We'll read Don Quixote. That's what we're going to do now. Perfect.
01:00:47
Speaker
But no rush, you know? No. Five years. That's plenty of time. Yeah. That's our deadline. Yeah. If we're like... 2030. It's like two pages day. We'll be okay. Oh, man.
01:01:01
Speaker
Okay. Where are we? ah yeah Okay, yeah. so so long story short, and john and yes yes Sean gu and Gus get out of the situation and they go to, Henry comes and collects them and they end up going to Henry's house where they find that the place has been ransacked.
01:01:19
Speaker
And, right? Yes, it's been ransacked. Oh, yeah. And I loved the reveal of that, too, because there's this, there's a line earlier where Vic is like, did you report the break-in at your house?
01:01:31
Speaker
And at first, I'm thinking Jack. Of course. And Henry says, yes. but nothing was taken. And then it's revealed that his house has been totally ransacked. Yeah. It's like a really fun kind of the, just the structure of this episode. I feel like that adds to the whole, like the layers that we're just talking about and how sort of disorienting it is because the way information is revealed is non, just very nonlinear and sort of random and unreliable.
01:02:03
Speaker
Don Quixote. Mm-hmm. yes indeed would somebody i Yes, in summary. But ah but I love this scene for couple of different reasons. I love it because we mentioned before, this is when Jack kind of questions whether Sean is actually psychic or not.
01:02:25
Speaker
And he can't snow the snowman, right? Reference that he says. and And this causes Sean to be like, well, I have to prove myself. And he then... remembers that when they found Jack initially in the house, he was, you know, bent over kind of by the coffee table touching one of the drawers.
01:02:41
Speaker
So he surmises that that means something is either in the drawer or attached to the coffee table. And he starts this whole big thing about beans that make Gus fart or something and coffee, coffee table in the morning. like sure It's so funny. Yeah. He's just, oh, he's so good. he yeah He's just always so invested.
01:03:02
Speaker
coffee Like, that's, like, so serious. And then Henry's just standing in the corner, like, just looking at them, like, all right. I get it, because imagine, like, having having Jack your entire life, growing up with him and always having these, like, big kind of crazy kooky ideas that never really end up following through. Like, at least with Sean, he's crazy and he's kooky, but at the end of the day, he has follow through. He figures these things out. Right, he's effective, yeah. And he is, in this case, he finds that um Uncle Jack had stashed a key that the burglars, Mark and his merry men, were looking for when they burgled the house.
01:03:35
Speaker
And very much like in National Treasure, as Kylie mentioned before, we now have the map and the key in two separate places. Intrigued. Yeah. But as you said, like the way Sean has to prove himself, he – you really see that sort of journey in Sean's mind of and like no that child, that inner child who worships Jack. Yeah.
01:04:00
Speaker
feels like he failed him and it's like you see him get so like his vision becomes enormous yes and intense in a way that sean isn't always you know a lot of times he might do something crazy and like big but it's feels very silly but this really didn't he was no sort of serious as he did something so outlandish which is like a really interesting like Sean moment of for him being this.
01:04:26
Speaker
Yeah. And also like thinking about him being sort of believing in himself as a psychic in a way and also knowing that he's not one. Because like earlier when he first kind of says, when he first says to Jack,
01:04:42
Speaker
Well, Jack says to him, like, oh, well, you're a psychic or whatever he says. and And Sean is kind of like, well, not, I mean, yeah not really like a psychic. And then Jack is like, don't sell yourself short. Can I always believe in you? I knew you'd be great.
01:04:55
Speaker
And it's like, yeah, like that almost like freeze Sean in a way to be like, okay, I'm going to do it. And I'm going to do it this way, the way, the way I do it as a psychic. And then when,
01:05:08
Speaker
You know, he already was kind of coming clean with Jack in a way. And then Jack is so supportive that once Jack starts to doubt him, it's like Sean has to double down.
01:05:21
Speaker
Yeah. That version of himself. Yeah. He, Jack is really like the ultimate manipulator here. Yeah. Especially in in an instance where this is his nephew.
01:05:41
Speaker
He's known him all his life. He knows his father very well. His older brother. Like he probably knows exactly what Sean needed or wanted to hear, which was, I believe in you.
01:05:54
Speaker
You're going to be great. like You're amazing. Right? And then to pull that away, Like he, I'm sure he did that very intentionally to try and get Sean to figure this out, which he ends up doing in the end.
01:06:09
Speaker
But like poor Sean. Mm-hmm. Being manipulated by this guy who was, you know, his hero at some point. Literally had him sub in for his dad. And bring your father to work day.
01:06:21
Speaker
Like, come on. Yeah. Bring your father to work day. your father to school day. Career day. Oh, yeah. Yeah, career day. Took me a while, but I got there.
01:06:31
Speaker
um But yeah, because... We really see it the way he played him to begin with by like building him up because he's like, don't keep lying to me. You know, like I know you're not a psychic. I always knew you were not a psychic is basically what he's saying.
01:06:49
Speaker
Yeah. Which is like. Boo. Yeah. And and so to yeah, to get it it is it's so manipulative. And it's like a like a toxic boyfriend, like to be like, no, actually. Yes.
01:07:01
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Like to tell you what you want to hear and then take it away because, you know, they want something out of you. Yeah. It's horrible.
01:07:13
Speaker
Horrible. And then one of the other things I really love, which is also kind of manipulative on Sean's part, but I do just love it, is Sean is like, Henry, we like, Dad, we need you.
01:07:26
Speaker
We need you to come on this with me. And Henry's like, why do you need me? It's not that we need you. It's that we want you. And we need you.
01:07:37
Speaker
i mean i know if you weeks
01:07:41
Speaker
But at the same time, he's telling, he's very upfront about what's going on. Like he's playing him and also telling him he's playing him, which is, yeah you know, it's, there is a level of honesty that Jack is incapable of.
01:07:56
Speaker
Oh, completely. Yes. Yeah. He's yeah, if Jack is not even honest with his brother and his nephew, who is he going to be honest with? The people that you think he would be a little bit more vulnerable with, but clearly does not care about.
01:08:11
Speaker
hmm. And then I love the, you know, Jack goes the bathroom. I always think that he's just never going to come back. He did. you know, right? It seems like he's going to give him a slip.
01:08:23
Speaker
And ah he gets back and, you know, they're talking about like hot wiring a car and whatever. And Henry goes, never mind. i'll ah will I will drive us. I will do it. It's fine. Okay.
01:08:33
Speaker
And I just, I love the little key thing that Sean does. It cracks me up when he's like, okay. Yes.
01:08:49
Speaker
He's taking it to a level. And then the way they walk around town and he's got his arms out and he's just like marching through the streets. It's like he has he is laying it on.
01:09:00
Speaker
It's so good. Yeah, he's laying it thick. Yeah, definitely. Which is interesting when you consider the fact that he, like you just said, told Jack that he's not a psychic. Like, he really doesn't need to lay all of this on thick because the end of the day, he's figuring this out, but, like, really there's nothing mythical, of like, magical about all this.
01:09:22
Speaker
But maybe he's just doing it because, yeah, he wants to impress Jack. Who knows?
01:09:28
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:31
Speaker
And then... This is my note. Jack, angry face. Angry face. Angry at him. I know. Yeah, we don't don't like Jack.
01:09:44
Speaker
He's a butt. um They figure out that they have to go to a bell tower. Essentially what happens, they get to the bell tower that's no longer there and Sean like superimposes the map of the bell tower on the town. They figure out the exact spot that the bell tower used to be.
01:09:58
Speaker
They climb on top of the roof of this sharp house. Yeah. Oh, my God. True. True. And they look out into the distance across the sea.
01:10:09
Speaker
And Sean, I don't really know how he figured out that it was this particular bluff, but he says that it's a particular area. Yeah, something about the way it looked on the map, like the two, how they were next to each other, and then looking at the vista, he sees how they would be next to each other on the map.
01:10:26
Speaker
Looking at from ah from the upper dive view, he kind of can conceptualize what that looks like, yeah. Perfect. And they end up going, go into this area that Sean has ID'd.
01:10:41
Speaker
And as they're running through the woods, which beautiful woods, by the way, i want to run through those woods. Gus ends up getting a shoot. I think those are our go-to woods where we they're always running through those woods most likely makes sense they're good woods
01:10:57
Speaker
ah this time the woods are muddy so sad poor woods Gus ends up getting a shoe stuck in the mud a puma I can't lose my pool, Sean.
01:11:08
Speaker
Jack drops his backpack. Sean picks it up. They get to like you know the cliff's edge. And there's a helicopter waiting for them. Jack runs for it. But the boys get picked up in the helicopter. And this is where we meet them back at the police station.
01:11:22
Speaker
So now we're in the present. The stories have come together. Finally. Coalesced. and this is when we figure out who the who the suit is.
01:11:36
Speaker
suit is apparently... Spanish Andres Candelaria, who is a part of that organization that Kylie said that I don't remember. And he's arguing with Vic to get the boys out of the station so that they can continue their hunt.
01:11:54
Speaker
um And Vic does not want to allow him that opportunity. She doesn't know him. She doesn't know why he's there. Clearly doesn't trust him. Yeah, because they don't want... anybody else to come with they just want to take sean and gus right yeah yeah that in and of itself red flags red flags so i get it vic and eventually vic lets him like go and talk to sean she calls them employees yes employees the she never in another
01:12:29
Speaker
In any other situation, she I don't know that she would say that. No, she definitely would. It comes down to Those are her boys. Yes, those are my boys. You can't take them. That's like... yeah Or her telling Jules that they're not really friends. Like, that's as good as it's going to get with Vic. Like, that's – they are it.
01:12:46
Speaker
Yes. They're my responsibility.
01:12:53
Speaker
And so Andre sends up asking Sean if he knows where, like, the next clue is, essentially. Yeah. Because he's been having his men checking the bluffs for a very long time now. Essentially like all night. And they haven't been able to find anything.
01:13:09
Speaker
So Sean goes back into his mine palace. And he's able to pull out from the map that there was another clue on the map. That said cueva.
01:13:21
Speaker
Which some, was it Jules? No. Andres said in Spanish is caves. And yeah. Jules says again that couleur was paint or painted or painting. And Henry puts together that it was the painted caves of the Chumash Indians.
01:13:41
Speaker
So anyway, they painted caves in the area. And this is when Henry says that they used to, you know, find kids in there all the time they had to get them out of it. So Sean says, okay, they must be, the treasure must be in the painted caves.
01:13:55
Speaker
So the boys in the Spaniards go to the painted caves and dig up the treasure, essentially. And one of the lines that I loved in there, Gus says something to Sean. I don't remember what he said. like Can you believe we're digging up buried treasure? And Sean goes, I know, dude.
01:14:12
Speaker
And you're getting your pants totally dirty. You even care. I'm so proud of you. So cute. It's so cute. Yeah. It's just so sweet. Yeah. And they um they do end up finding the treasure, which is super cool. On top of unearthing a dinosaur and finding a mummy and all these other really amazing things that they've done, they've also found ah hidden treasure.
01:14:33
Speaker
Which I don't know anyone else in the world that can say that, so it's all fun. um But in all of this... Sean has figured out a couple things, three things to be particular. One, the secret of Nim and the secret of my success, the same secret.
01:14:50
Speaker
Two, you don't work for the Spanish government. And three, these keys are actually very slippery. And then they throw, you know, some tools at that the Spaniards and the supposed Spaniards and they run away. Another chase scene.
01:15:04
Speaker
I love those three things. So funny. Because one, silliness up the wazoo. Two, information about the case. Three, we're going to get away, which I just thought was so clever.
01:15:17
Speaker
so true. It's everything that is wonderful about Sean. And is the secret the secret of Nim is like, have you ever seen the secret of Nim?
01:15:29
Speaker
No. I haven't either. So I looked it up. The secret of him is apparently that there's like animals that were tested on. There was like, ah yes, there was like mental health testing done on these animals so that they had like supernatural powers.
01:15:44
Speaker
They're like, they had the intelligence of like humans. So is Sean saying that he's just like hyper intelligent? Because yes, he is. Because it's his secret. Because experiments were done on him. Yeah.
01:15:55
Speaker
I mean Henry. yeah His father. Literally. Yes. Like, oh, so funny. And we, yeah, yeah so we get our chase scene.
01:16:07
Speaker
This is when we get our very sad. um fall from grace hero fall from grace yeah all the partners are coming back to bite us they converge on Sean and Gus and Jack comes out of the woodwork in a car ready to drive away but oh no no no he can only take the treasure I know yeah to say the least like what a butt yeah And again, his nephew, like not some random partner, not some random guy he met on the street.
01:16:42
Speaker
His nephew, his brother's son. He's just like, eh, those guys have guns, but whatever. You hang. I'm going to take the treasure. Bye. yeah it is very humbling. Yeah, he definitely showed his allegiance, which is sad. And it's sad.
01:16:58
Speaker
didn't show you just my notes, all the like... All the emojis. It's just full of pleading emojis because there's so many sweet and also sad moments.
01:17:09
Speaker
Yes. again and As this show does very well.
01:17:14
Speaker
and We get another reference to our favorite Red Robin. Yeah. Oh, there was also a moment and I have to go through all my little sad faces, but um when...
01:17:26
Speaker
So Jack takes off. The um partners all have their guns drawn. And then the police show up because Sean.
01:17:38
Speaker
Oh, yes. Yes. Or did I skip? Because you were you just going to say that they were going to meet at Red Robin? Oh, yeah, but that's okay. Okay. I got to say, I feel like they must have had a deal with Red Robin. They must have. In The Psychologist, they said it was just, they just like used that, but it's like, no it's got to be. I wonder if it was, it was the mummy episode, right? For season two is the last episode of season two. So I wonder if that happened. And then afterwards they were like, well,
01:18:05
Speaker
do you want to do something with us? And we're like, yes.
01:18:10
Speaker
Can we do a queen and a Red Robin? And they're like, absolutely. who doesn't love Red Robin? you i guess, yeah, they it becomes a bit yeah ah But yeah, when the police arrive, I do look, there's this really lovely moment between Sean and Henry where Henry knows, like you can just see it all over his face. Henry knows that Jack screwed Sean.
01:18:36
Speaker
He always thought he would. and and And Sean just kind of mouths, I think like I'm okay or something. And Henry gives him a little nod. Anyway.
01:18:48
Speaker
It's really sweet.
01:18:53
Speaker
also hurts my heart. Freaking Jack. I know. Gosh, Jack. Then I guess we'll just ask for the wrap up. and oh yes i also love he said you know i don't curse very often so when i do you know i mean it which is so true he doesn't and every time he does we're like whoa yeah but i love what he says is what the hell just happened the softest curse the softest guys you're so cute i he is he's just so sweet both of them
01:19:28
Speaker
yeah Sean gives us the good nut-shilling that he figured out that Andres' accent wasn't Spanish, but it was Argentinian.
01:19:38
Speaker
And he wanted double-check that that was the case because Jack just got back from Argentina, so it would make sense that he was one of Jack's partners. And to check that he was Argentinian, he called him Che in the interrogation room, which is like pal slang in Argentinian.
01:19:57
Speaker
or in the Argentinian dialect of Spanish. And he responded, he like reacted to that. So that made Sean realize that it was He was, in fact, probably a partner of Jack's. And then, you know, they got to the bluffs and he saw Jack's car following them in the distance. And that's when he realized he was to double cross them. So they made the switch up in. Oh, I'm jumping ahead. That's. Oh, yeah. that's henry Right. That's revealed.
01:20:22
Speaker
But I do love ah when he says about the che thing. And Gus, I think, says, like, how did you know that or something? And and Henry's like, oh, yeah, you're working in a winery in Argentina.
01:20:33
Speaker
I kept the postcards. I use them as coasters. And Sean's like, you did? like You know, Sean, I feel like sometimes doesn't realize how much his father loves him.
01:20:45
Speaker
Completely. In the very first episode, we see him with the newspaper that their first case. Like, he is brilliant. proud of his son he loves him he just doesn't know how to show it yes he's just bad at it yes the fact that he has that like top of mind yeah knows he probably knows where like everywhere oh totally has wandered he knows oh man so that was so cute and then gus says why didn't you tell anybody
01:21:18
Speaker
And then Sean says, I did. and then he looks up into the distance and she knew just what to do with it. And we see like Jules smile at him and kind of get a little flashback to when they were leaving the interrogation room, he bumped Jules.
01:21:35
Speaker
which we did see but then we see her see a little note that um he handed her that said uh but it said they're not andrea's not real um follow us you smell nice
01:21:57
Speaker
And she knew just what to do. Of course. Of course. Because she's a good, she's a good detective. I think just the fact that like she knew when he bumped and gave her something like not to make a big
Interpersonal Dynamics and Emotional Outbursts
01:22:11
Speaker
deal out of it. Like she just kind of yeah took it and waited to lay They really trust each other. Like they have gotten to a point. And um I feel like because we had to tell the story of what actually happened. We didn't spend a lot of time in the interrogation scene. Yeah.
01:22:26
Speaker
Yeah. But theyre earlier she had an outburst where Sean because Sean was obviously not taking anything seriously and making a lot of jokes and trying to get them to buy them burritos and Wool's like slams her hands down and she's like I am the only one who cares that you get out of this.
01:22:49
Speaker
So can you please like be serious and tell us what happened? And, and it's maybe the first time we have ever seen that much. ah Yeah. Especially from Jules. Rage from Jules. Yeah.
01:23:02
Speaker
and Not rage, but like frustration. um And for to her to be so outspoken about it. And um Sean just kind of turns to Gus and goes,
01:23:15
Speaker
dude, that was so hot.
01:23:20
Speaker
Yeah, I think they're like – they're friends you know yeah like they're they're colleagues but they also genuinely care about each other as people and yes there's also clearly like some little something romantic a bruin so that makes it you know ah a little more intense in a different way but she cares about them as people on top of just being colleagues which is you know why she was like cut it out like stop yeah you know You're not going to get out of this if you don't, you know?
01:23:49
Speaker
Yeah. And when she gets the note, like, he knows that she will have their back. Yeah. And and maybe they're... And take them seriously. Yeah.
01:24:02
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Because might not, but Jules always does. Like, ah another, you know, goose chase from Spencer or whatever. like Exactly. Which is valid because he he a mess and a liar. But...
01:24:17
Speaker
it maybe and Maybe that is part of it too, that like Jules knows that he will not play her right now. Yes. So they they both do their their side of the bargain. Sean tells the truth, gives her like good intel.
01:24:34
Speaker
And Jules follows up and thank goodness because the partners are thinking about were ransoming Sean and Cuss. Yeah. So thank God they showed up because that would have ended poorly because Jack does not care.
01:24:49
Speaker
And thinking as they end up, you know, kind of getting out of it, partners get arrested. sean and Gus, you
Expectations, Family, and Cleverness
01:24:55
Speaker
know, go free. Sean ends up going. to wait at the Red Robin because Jack told him to meet him there in an hour where they used to get like burgers and shakes and stuff. And we see Sean sitting there and no one's with him.
01:25:09
Speaker
Gus isn't with him. Jack isn't with him. Henry... henry walks up to him and we find out that sean's been waiting here for so long that gus left he didn't want to wait anymore for someone who wasn't going to show up and he actually called henry for a ride i know yeah gosh this whole scene henry saying like it's been a long time since you've called him for a ride
01:25:35
Speaker
I know. You just have this heart to heart. And Henry still does not, like throughout the episode, he shows his frustration, which, you know, he wears his frustration on his sleeve. Yeah, he really does. yeah But he really doesn't say anything bad about Jack and he still doesn't. No.
01:25:53
Speaker
Yes, that's true. and And we have kind of talked about similar thing with Maddie, which Maddie is not nearly as, you know, we don't know what Henry did or didn't say, but we have talked about how like he probably didn't maybe ever express that he was heartbroken because he doesn't want Sean.
01:26:13
Speaker
He doesn't want affect how Sean views his mom, yeah which this totally tracks with that kind of supposition. yeah Yeah. Because like, you know, he wants Sean to have the people in life in his life who he has, and he's not going to, you know, bad mouth them, but he's going to try to be positive influence as far as he knows how which yes and so yeah he kind of explains that which he we don't really see him explain himself a whole lot but he is getting more comfortable we've kind of watched him over the first couple seasons get more comfortable with talking to sean and desiring to talk to sean about yeah the choices he's made so that yeah
01:26:55
Speaker
Very nice scene. And it's interesting, like knowing how rigid Henry is, that he would still want Sean to be able to have those relationships that he really doesn't get or relate to at all. Like he doesn't, he doesn't click with Jack, but it's like, he's not going to take Jack from Sean.
01:27:14
Speaker
Yeah. But I... And also maybe, you know, kind of the way he is such a, like, mentor kind of... Like, he's always trying to teach Sean. Maybe there is an element of, like, him wanting Sean to learn from now being let down by Jack. Yeah.
01:27:31
Speaker
Like, almost... That's so hard. I know. Which is kind of what you have to do sometimes with kids. Because also, Sean's not going to listen. Even if Henry told Sean, like, Jack is playing you... And Henry, I mean, Sean would just, you know, he also... messenger.
01:27:48
Speaker
Yeah. And he gets mad at Henry all the time. Like, why would he yeah trust what Henry is saying in that situation? Like, he has to learn the hard way. Yeah. Which I think is, you know, super common for kids, which he's not a kid. But in this structure, this family dynamic, is the kid.
01:28:05
Speaker
He is the kid, yeah. And she sort of he sort of has to... he has to see Jack bail him in order to understand. And also, also to not want to be that for himself.
01:28:21
Speaker
Yeah. Cause he even says like, I guess Jack's not the best role model, but it's okay. And again, it's that real life stuff that you're seeing keeps popping up.
01:28:34
Speaker
It's like just that, like he's not the kid, but he is the kid. like he is it's almost like he's well he's growing up i'm just i was gonna say he's recovering from being a kid but that's basically what growing up is yeah what a great way to put it recovering from being a kid yeah i love too that in this scene we finally get to see henry like really into like what this whole thing was because he's essentially like i just can't believe he got away with yeah i know there's still a little part of him oh yeah that was like we really we got so close yeah yeah who wouldn't love a treasure hunt like something about that just is so exciting and i love that sean's just like let me pull some things out of my pocket and he drops the gold coins on the table and henry's like
01:29:37
Speaker
Sean's like, and I could tell Jack was following us and made the switch in the woods. And like, ah, you're so good. The final reveal. And I love that too, like for Henry to be sort of delighted by that because Sean used his Jack powers to pull one over on Jack and Henry can take pride Sean's ability as Jack.
01:29:59
Speaker
ability as ah a con man in his own right because he's he snowed the snowman in the end. Yeah, he did.
01:30:11
Speaker
So good. And they do end up donating most of it to the museum. So Gus is happy because we did I did love that little instance too when at first Jack was like, we'll be partners 50-50 and Gus was like, after we donate most of it to the museum, right? And Jack was like, yeah, ah Oh, yeah. You read my mind, Gus. Gus? You read my mind. We're on the same page.
01:30:34
Speaker
I'm so full of it. Yeah. But Sean and Gus are on the same page, which that's really all that matters. Yeah. And I did make a note like that museum must really love them. Oh, my God. They've put them a dinosaur.
01:30:48
Speaker
They rescued their mummy. For real. They've probably put them on the map. You joking? Yeah. That's so Oh, yeah. And I love the last little moment where Henry's like, so what does Jack have? And you just see the cutest freaking smirk ever James Rode Rodriguez's face.
01:31:11
Speaker
And we cut to Jack and he's got rocks. ha ha a And a penny. And a penny.
Speculation and Future Episode Teaser
01:31:19
Speaker
Well done. i sign the con Well done.
01:31:22
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And that moment, as much as Jack is annoying to me, that like, well done, Shadi. Like he taught him. Yeah.
01:31:33
Speaker
Learn from the best. As the student becomes the master. Yeah. There's so much. fun dynamics happening in this episode i also gotta to say that in a moment well i was gonna say do we ever see jack again i don't think think so yeah interesting i think about it yeah that is interesting i could kind of see well don't know i could see sean kind of
01:32:05
Speaker
Holding a bit of a grudge there. oh sure. Yeah, I could see that too. And then also ah maybe Jack, since he basically just uses everybody, he sort of burned that bridge and he can't really use Sean.
01:32:21
Speaker
But it would have been interesting to see what the next meeting would have looked like between them. Yeah, definitely. Because, yeah, I could see a ah sequel. As all good action adventure movies have. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
01:32:37
Speaker
um yeah and i have to say with the even that last scene between sean and henry that's also very national treasure like the father-son dynamics like you found what but they left for you to find and understood the meaning of it well yeah well so what what's oh yeah is is that it is that the one with the with the dad or oh yeah i'm thinking with the cop when he goes someone has to go to jail ben yeah Yeah. And it's like, not me. I'm not going to jail.
01:33:11
Speaker
Yes. But they left for you to found the meaning of it. Yeah. They left and you found the meaning of it. ah it's so good I really can't believe how how parallel the two of them are they are really quite close yeah I really wasn't thinking about it me either but it's good thing we know it so well it's true my goodness um but yeah follow up supplemental viewing to this episode will be national treasure yes
01:33:44
Speaker
See how many parallels you can find. That's your homework. Up next. Well, do you have anything else to say? Oh, no, I'm good.
01:33:57
Speaker
Do you have anything else? I don't think so. All right. Yeah, there were a lot of great quotes, but, you know, every quote, everything they say is great.
01:34:09
Speaker
I know. It's so true. I have to stop myself sometimes from writing more stuff now because I'm just like, it's just going be all quotes. Yeah. Man. But next we have another great, um you know, toific not not really a buddy comedy, a trio comedy with Disco Didn't Die. It was Murr.
01:34:31
Speaker
oh Oh, such a good one. This is a fun one. It's more of like a Henry episode, which is great. Yeah. You see all those dynamics come together. Mm-hmm. Yeah. it's our first, like, big time reviewing ah Henry case, which will happen a couple times.
01:34:48
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Yeah, going back in time bit. Yeah. Yes. So we'll get some good family dynamics. We'll get some good, like, cop talk.
01:35:02
Speaker
We get some good twists huh and some wonderful outfits, of course. Oh, yeah. I know. This isn't really a homage, but it sort of feels like one because it's like a costume one.
01:35:14
Speaker
The costume drama. Very not serious. Costume comedy? Is that a thing? Shall that become a thing? Yeah, let's do it. costume comedy if you want to see what that means turn us back here next week where we'll talk about season three episode five of the fame tv show psych episode six one on one would like to thank and credit the design efforts of alavia genesis musical talents of skein music and mikhail hunt the production abilities of kyle dalton and skiller jensen and of course the support of our friends and family
01:35:52
Speaker
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