S3E12: Fire, Fire, Fire, Yeah!

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Speaker: Alright, everyone and welcome to the Sci6101 where we discuss everything about the world of Psych and the antics of Sean and Gus in Sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar and this is my partner, Señor Pantalones de Fuego.

Speaker: And today we'll be talking about Season 3, Episode 12 of the famed TV show, Psych. Earth, Wind, and Wade Wood. yeah And didn't even say it in this one, which was like,

Speaker: Just sir It's a little Easter egg. Yes. Love a good Easter egg. I said this at the end of the last one, but I always get this episode and the 70s episode mixed up because I just go earth, wind, and fire. sure obviously the 70s, but it's the fire episode, not the earth, wind, and fire episode.

Speaker: But it does, it makes sense, like, you know, because they, again, they just return to their, um, um Their pool of references that they have yes um in the 70s, the Very true.

Speaker: Right there. Yes. This is an interesting one. This was a heavy one. is. It's a sad story. Yes. It's very sad. And we don't really realize quite how sad. I mean, obviously, murder is sad. We don't like murder.

Speaker: But we get to see a lot of like the human... the human impact of murder in this episode, which we don't always get.

Speaker: Yeah. And in the end always cuts me up. i'm always like, oh, his face. just seems so sad. It's so sad. And yeah, and I know we talked a little bit in the last episode, like the idea of like vigilante justice a little bit and like where people in these positions like law enforcement, fire, like there's sort of these public service positions, like the lines they're drawing.

Speaker: Like, I mean, this character, the culprit in this episode is not like, he is not like a justice. He's not operating for justice.

Speaker: That's not really his role in society as a firefighter. Yes. But he takes it into his hands. Um, to get revenge for fallen comrades.

Speaker: who um And it just... Like, the way they

Speaker: in this story, like the way it just gets bigger and bigger until it's just like out of control. And he, and like to the fire. yeah. oh Oh my gosh. Yeah. ah

Speaker: So true. Um, ah but yeah, like the, like the climax for him of like, I can't do this anymore. Like, it's just like, it has grown so much and now he has caused,

Speaker: his yeah own friend's death. Like, it's like the full circle of that. Like, yeah. oh Like trying to avenge his fellow firefighters. And then like, and, and, you know, in the fires, like he was trying to make them easy to put out. Like he was not trying to cause any harm to any firefighters. And right so, and then just like,

Speaker: really jumping all over a place and not even talking about, like, not even naming who I'm talking about, but... Okay. um We know. Yeah. You guys all know.

Speaker: But then, like, the chief who ultimately dies because he finds out, like like, that's an interesting kind of contrast to this character who is, yeah you know, sort of desperately trying to cover up the like justice that he brought years ago. um And, but then this guy represents like another kind of like public servant kind of guy who's like, you know, you can't just start a fire. You can't go around hurting things. His job to put out the fire and that's what he's going to do. And so it's like interesting.

Speaker: Yeah. You see a lot of different sides of people. Yeah. It's like the human drama. Yeah. It's very intense. Yeah. And even just like my my initial reaction to this is always like, did this need to happen, this episode?

Speaker: Like, did he need to set fire to these buildings? Because, yes, the walls would have been opened up, but the walls were opened up anyway. Like, these bodies were ultimately found.

Speaker: So I think it's also kind of an interesting... It's interesting to think about like what humans do in yeah stressful situations. Totally. In the first case, him choosing to you know kill a bunch of people and possibly being the one who ultimately stops the fires from from happening because he kills the rankle guy. They call it the rankle fires.

Speaker: um But then also now choosing... to hurt property in the sake of not saving others, but now saving himself. Like, hu yeah, it's it's interesting to think about.

Speaker: Yeah, and that is a good point. Like, you know, he set these fires. I guess he did put um an intense accelerant on the bodies. so But it's like he made the fires easy to put out. So would they have ever burned hot enough to destroy those rains? Like, at some point, these buildings would be demoed or whatever now that they are burned down.

Speaker: And yeah, it seems, stands to reason that the bodies would have been revealed no matter what he, like, yeah, no matter what he did. i mean, you're right. Like, I guess he was, well, it is interesting. Like the, the codes changed the week before this episode.

Speaker: Right. And they were about, they were going to be retrofitted. Like, like, which. Quickly, it seems. This is, yeah, this is the government moving. Yeah. Yeah. At the speed of light. Like, it's incredible what the story we're given here. But, yeah, the codes changed last week and these are being retrofitted, like, today and tomorrow and stuff.

Speaker: Yeah. In this episode. So, um he is thinking really fast. And you're right. Like, that, like, the stress of trying to you know cover up what he did and the intensity of the timeline, it does make sense that maybe he, you know, he's just not thinking it through necessarily. It's just yeah more like a, it's like moment to moment, which also speaks to how, you know, the people that ultimately are endangered by his actions as we get towards the end of the episode.

Speaker: um He's just like, things keep happening and he's reacting more than really yeah planning. Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah. And I bet, too, like, I'm sure there is a, well, I don't know for this man, because he felt like he was getting some kind of, like you just said, justice for his fallen comrades.

Speaker: But I must imagine there is some kind of residual stressor of just, like, are these ever going to be found? Like, what if someone just yeah fell into that wall? Yeah, he was living with that for decade.

Speaker: Yeah, that's um a lot. Yeah, and then to now have it really kind of shoved in your face and be like, deal with it right now this moment, figure it out, that's tough.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, and I don't, you know, I wonder too, sometimes thinking about this story episode or or this character, as I do sometimes with ah characters just in general, because it's interesting to think about.

Speaker: um Let me back up. If he didn't, if he didn't set these fires and there was no fire, no arson associated with um this, not only with the bodies would the bodies have been found,

Speaker: But would they have ever actually gotten to him? Like, he kind of inserts himself in this situation by setting fires to these buildings. And then because he's an arson inspector of sorts, I don't really understand what his title is.

Speaker: He deals with arson. um He's like, I think he's like in code enforcement. okay so he i don't think he's involved in the arson inspecting really but it's like the person reports to him okay it seems okay but he like because she is the county arson inspector she is the one she is them okay yeah so maybe he he's like higher in the ranks now He got out of firefighting, became an arson inspector. and well I don't think that he ever, because Sean says at one point, wait, hold on.

Speaker: Let's pull up this. We should really do this beforehand. I know we use it every time. It's helpful. Okay. Okay.

Speaker: okay An advertisement. Ah! It's making noise. Okay. So, in their confrontation in the burning building at the end, Sean says you, like, after the after the Rankle fires

Speaker: he left the department and took a job inspecting buildings for code violations. Ah. Ah. That again. And you discovered those are pretty good places to hide a dead body. So you stalked and killed your victims. You covered them with lye and you plugged them into walls.

Speaker: um I do wonder, maybe part of it was just like making them harder to identify. i don't know. lye? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and also the fire. Like maybe his intent was not to get rid of the body entirely, but just to make it so it couldn't be...

Speaker: identified because there is juliet makes the comment when they find that like pacemaker thing um like our murderer didn't know that this guy had one of those so like we were able to identify him um okay so maybe that was his intention to just like make the bodies unrecognizable although i feel like I don't know, in other crime shows, there's lots of different ways, it seems, to highting people, but don't know.

Speaker: Right. Yeah, it makes Mental records, don't know. Right. I mean, Sean didn't even either... mean, Sean just looks at the gaps. Looks at it. Yeah. Yeah, so when things like this happen, or when when a culprit criminal, whatever you want call them, like this, inserts themselves into a situation like this, I'm always kind of thinking in the back of my head...

Speaker: do they Do they somewhat want to be caught, right? Because if he didn't insert himself in this way, if he didn't set the whole arson thing on fire and didn't draw attention to the fire department and the rankle fires, like, would they have ever made that connection?

Speaker: Mm-hmm. Who knows? Yeah, that's a good point. And it definitely seems like he's been, you know, like we say at the end, I can't yeah i can't do this anymore. seems like he's been really struggling with this for a while, so.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. Maybe getting caught is just a little easier. Yeah. And do we ever find out what actually happened to him at the end? and think he's alive. Okay.

Speaker: But I guess he'll, yeah, he'll just be arrested. Fair enough. Yeah, because he's kind of like, he's just affected by smoke.

Speaker: Well, and probably has some burns. I mean, i not um here we go, but fearless guster. Fearless guster. gave it up like, wow. That was the most fearless guster we have ever seen.

Speaker: I mean, on top of a man on fire. Yeah, just like didn't even... didn't second guess himself for a second no saw a blanket thingy and ran into the flames like and wow what a man and then carried him out yes shoulder my god that and that is montage is so it's so good thrilling and like sean looks like in is a hero you know carrying What's her name out? Morgan.

Speaker: Morgan. And like, so good. And then the the contrast of Gus just like crumbling under the weight of A much older, bigger person. A whole man. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker: Like, it's so funny. And then we get the fist bump after waiting for it the whole episode. Like, it's just so, it's so sweet. It's so cool. It's exciting with our boys. and And it's hilarious.

Speaker: Yes. And it's hilarious. They do so well. Yes.

Speaker: So if you didn't get what this episode was about yet. Rewind, just a tad. To the very beginning, it's a fire slash arson slash fire department episode.

Speaker: And i love the way this episode starts, which is, of course, the flashback. um But it's Henry, like, in in the yard, trying to get the barbecue going. Nice rolling flame. And Sean runs in.

Speaker: With a fireman's hat on. And he's like, i know what I want to be when I grow up. A fireman. And Henry's like, no you don't. Yeah. You do not want to that. Classic Henry.

Speaker: You want to be a cop. yeah I decided for you. I know. ah What do you think I've been training you for? It's so funny. because Because he, like... ah Just Henry. he's just so He's well-meaning. But like...

Speaker: Yeah. He's really trying to control Sean. Yeah. Oh, yes. And also projecting on him in a way that's like interesting. It's like, I don't think Henry even sees that that's what he's doing, really. He's just like, this is what you want.

Speaker: Right. I am doing this for Yeah. Yeah, and i love when Sean's trying to convince Henry. Henry just refuses to be convinced.

Speaker: He's like, yeah they have axes, Dad. He's like, gun. I shoot people. I carry it on my person. Name one famous firefighter. Sean's like, Smokey the Bear. He's not even a person. I'm like, no. You want to poop in the woods or whatever he says?

Speaker: He poops in the woods. You want to poop the woods? Then Fireman Paul said you'd say that, which is like... What part of that Fireman Paul say? Do you want to poop in the woods?

Speaker: That's impressive. He must know Henry pretty well. i Yeah. I mean, I bet it was like, Henry's not going to approve of you wanting to be a Fireman. Yeah, but it's just very funny because it's right after you want to poop in the woods.

Speaker: Do you want to poop in the woods? Do you want that? Yeah. And I love how that's how it ends. Sean just like tries to yeah douse Henry with water, pretend.

Speaker: Yeah. And then walks away. I wonder if like when Henry was, or not Henry, when Sean was like a toddler and like learning to talk, if he you just said, You know, maybe was slightly coaxed in the same way. I want to be ah police officer or something. And then Henry was like, done.

Speaker: yeah Ran with it. Going to happen. deviation from this ever. I will make you the best one that has ever lived. i was Waiting to hear that. And then, okay, perfect.

Speaker: yeah I can imagine Henry sitting there going like, say it. want to be a cop. I want to be a cop. Oh, too funny.

Speaker: Yeah, so. yeah Set up. This introduces Fireman Paul. Yes. Which we later learn he tragically died in those fires.

Speaker: um So that's kind of an interesting I mean, don't want to say it's like cool, but it's sad. But it's it's like Narratively. Yeah. um Kind of cool to have this sort of community figure youre introduced way back then. And then to have that connection to what's happening now for Sean and Gus.

Speaker: o So, yeah. Yeah. And this person was clearly... clearly very impactful for for the boys because yeah they eventually go to the fire station.

Speaker: The first thing they say is, is fireman Paul here? Like they're, they're so excited to like, he'll remember us. I was the one who peed on him and he was the one whatever. What a story that we don't really hear completely. But so yeah, he was clearly.

Speaker: And I think, you know, did you have dare when you were a kid? The D.A.R.E. program? i don't think we really did. i I've seen it more on t-shirts now. Oh, okay. We had... dare D.A.R.E. was something that, like, they actually came and did in my school. And I remember exactly, like, who the officer was. Oh, interesting. And did the D.A.R.E.

Speaker: So it's kind of like, you know, yeah, you just know you just know that person. They are really, like, a community figure. Yeah. that's it Yeah, like a firefighter ah for kids, I mean, my own child is obsessed with fire trucks and stuff. like its i mean Like from the jump, it's like when they're spit out like that is just like so cool.

Speaker: um And then like a firefighter would totally come across as like a superhero in your own community. um so yeah, I could totally see why Sean would also like want to be that and also really remember this person.

Speaker: Yeah, and it's sad. It's sad on, like, multiple levels when we find out that Fireman Paul is no longer with us. It's sad for the boys because we know that he's, like, you know, kind of integral to their memory of childhood.

Speaker: It's sad for the chief, who is the one who tells us that he's no longer with us because they were friends. And then it's sad because we find out that they, like, died in the line of duty. Like, that there's a lot of...

Speaker: yeah ah layers of sadness. Not funny, but um it's interesting. I think it adds a lot of like texture to to the show. And then also, too, when we find out about the culprit at the end, right it makes that all all the more impactful.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So we jump to present day. And I thought it was interesting And we can maybe discuss why we think they made this choice.

Speaker: thought it was really interesting that we we get to present day and the very first thing we see is the fire being set. We see from the jump someone is pouring alcohol on the ground.

Speaker: That's true. And we have talked before about like we don't often get no a totally external POV. I think the last time, which is not that long ago, but the um the derby episode Where one of the girls is watching the boys.

Speaker: Yes. With the police and the the dump, the merch dump. Merch dump, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, that is really interesting. And it and it really makes it feel sinister.

Speaker: Yeah. Not that it's not, but there's a lot more to what's going on than, like, from that initial... um

Speaker: Yeah. I'm just thinking how like we also don't often know like so much about what happened. like Right. Because there's a lot of debate early on about whether it was arson or not. And it's like we know immediately.

Speaker: Right. Right. Yeah. Which they don't often do. Yeah. And I almost wonder like why now? Why show us that now?

Speaker: I don't know. I'm

Speaker: im going to ponder that as we discuss. Maybe it will. Well, it does add like some interesting color to like... the discussion about maybe it was, I could see it being just like too abstract to explain that like they found all this stuff, but also this other stuff and like, and it started over here, but like it actually started over here and like, but it was led over here, you know?

Speaker: So like to actually see this person, dropping alcohol bottles, pouring alcohol, dropping cigarettes, like staging it allows us to to conceive of all that when they're debating what happened versus what didn't.

Speaker: Yes. No, I think that's a really good point because you're right. If if I didn't see that beforehand and they were like, there are multiple points to the fire and like blah, blah, blah. I'd be like, what are you talking about? like What do you mean? And there was cigarette, like, okay, there's a cigarette, but yeah, I would have been like, so what, you know?

Speaker: Yeah, so I guess that does make sense. it and then Yes, that makes sense. I can dig that.

Speaker: So, yeah, we see We see the crime kind of take place. kind of take place But we don't actually follow it all the way through. We don't know who's done it. We don't know where it's happening.

Speaker: We just know that something has been set alight. And then we jump to the police station where we see the boys snooping on Vic's office, which I just find so hysterical because the blinds are from the inside, obviously. So I don't know what they thought...

Speaker: how they were going trying to peek. Yeah, like the tiniest little crevice into the office. But luckily, Jules comes around the corner and they can kind of get some intel from her, which is essentially there's been a fire and there's a little bit of maybe debate about whether it was intentional or non-intentional.

Speaker: So the fire department is looking for some assistance from the police department and that's all they're discussing inside. Yeah, it's not like... That, like, it's not, I don't know.

Speaker: It's that's not that it's that exciting, but I mean, just like the fact that it is all closed blinds and like closed door and stuff.

Speaker: It does add some mystique that it's really just... They're asking for help investigating a fire, which is not, you know, it's just normal business. Yes. but yeah Sean and Gus, I feel like just pump the nature the blinds being closed adds a level to it. We got to get in there. Yeah. Oh my There's stuff in there.

Speaker: And, you know, the boys end up essentially breaking into the office. They just, like, walk in and uninvited. And Chief must be a chieffi must be in a good mood because he doesn't give... she entertains them, really. Yeah, she, like... What does she say?

Speaker: Something like... ignoring that you just interrupted clothes for me this is sean which is like pretty generous yeah considering all his ridiculous antics and she lets him stay like she also doesn't kick him out afterwards even i wonder if part of her is like maybe thinking they would be ah good like yeah you know it does seem like sometimes she doesn't want to put her people like on something that maybe she's not sure about but like she'll send them Yeah, they're a little bit more disposable. Yeah. yeah

Speaker: But then when they do all go, Lassie and Jules are there too. Like, I think that's what I was thinking was that Vic was kind of like letting them in because she was like, okay, you guys can yeah run with this, but Lassie and Jules are there.

Speaker: So, yeah. Yeah, I wonder if there's a point where Vic starts to kind of be like, oh, Sean showed up. He's a psychic. There's a reason he's here. Just let him.

Speaker: You know what i mean? Like, oh, we we trust and agree that he's a psychic now. something interesting on Tumblr that I wanted to run by you. And it was like a post about like someone talking about like how they think Vic knows the whole time. And that like, and then they presented it as like, like obviously this has been said, like, like a lot of people think this, which has never, I've never thought about. yeah And honestly, i i have not thought super deeply. I feel like until this podcast, you know, like I'm just watching it. Like I'm just taking it

Speaker: So I wasn't really thinking like trying to figure out who knows what when. Now we're more in like yeah an exercise like that. Yes. Like thinking deeply about everything. But yeah, ah but yeah I just wondered what you thought about that.

Speaker: come That she knows the entire time? Yes. Oh.

Speaker: da That's tough. I don't know. Because my initial gut reaction is the only way she could have known the entire time is if Henry told her.

Speaker: Well, I think more like... just that she... just doesn't believe it, but also doesn't. Oh, so more like a lassie.

Speaker: Yeah. Like she doesn't believe it, but she's comfortable playing along um because it, you know it works for them. That, i can I can buy that.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah, I could sort of see. I mean, one thing, though, with her, if she, I feel like if she knew everything Sean was doing, I don't know that she would be cool with it.

Speaker: Like, that she would just let that happen. so this is what, essentially what I was going to say with, like, if Henry told her, But he was like, but he, you know, plays it off as this whole psychic thing. Like, she would never let that fly because it's not really up to code, you know?

Speaker: h And I feel like it's kind of the same in this case where he does do a lot of things that are not allowable. Like, it would be,

Speaker: like I mean, not dangerous, but like create a lot of risk for their... Yes, absolutely. ah Like ability to prosecute the people that they catch if she knew everything. like Or I mean, it does create a lot, but like because nobody knows, it's like, okay.

Speaker: Right. So like to <unk> to assume that she knows, and also just knowing how she's kind of a stickler, think. Very much so, yeah. I mean, well, she does do things where she's like,

Speaker: You know, I didn't see you and we didn't talk. But that's more like undermining Lassie, I feel like. Like just being like, you know, you can be here.

Speaker: Right. But I still don't think she's necessarily thinking they're like tampering with evidence and like breaking into things. Right, right. i think if she knew that... I think if she knew, right, that he had to actually break laws in order to get the information to them, pretend that he was psychic so that they could get the information, that wouldn't fly with her.

Speaker: She wouldn't be okay with that. So I could see her, I could see her kind of falling like in the middle ground, like maybe not knowing that like this is all a sham, but kind of being like,

Speaker: I don't believe psychics exist, but you seem to be really good at this. so like, I'm just going to let it happen. Yeah. I'm just going to let it be, you know? Yeah. I mean, she definitely, in some of the ways she reacts to like his shenanigans, she can be pretty like,

Speaker: short about it, I guess. like Like, okay, get to the point kind of. Yes. and And she doesn't, like, entertain all of the more um elaborate visions all the time. Yes, sure.

Speaker: But I do feel like she...

Speaker: i don't know. Like, i he kind of intrigues her. Like... He's intriguing, that's for sure. Like, the way, you know, we talk a lot about her ah deliveries and, like... yeah he was a paleontologist. Like the way she says that, it's like, she's like tickled. Like she's like, what? yeah I feel like she is a little bit like, not sure what his deal is.

Speaker: um Yes. and But she does like also kind of trust him. So. I think she's like skeptical.

Speaker: Yeah. But.

Speaker: maybe willing to believe because he gets results yeah yeah if she doesn't believe like if she truly doesn't think he's a psychic i don't think it's very conscious maybe yeah no yes yeah it's not yeah she's not necessarily aware of the fact that she's yeah like cake yeah Yeah, I don't know. It's an interesting... Because I think there's i think there's a very big difference between like a Lassie not believing and a Vic not believing. because

Speaker: Because theoretically Lassie is still maybe a little bit more of like a superior quote-unquote to Sean. But Vic... If shit goes down, it's coming down on Vic. She's the one runs the department.

Speaker: So I can't imagine her... Knowing that it's all a farce and condoning it huh in it being a farce. Yeah.

Speaker: And I also feel like with like the idea of, you know, Sean as a psychic, it's it's mystical and sort of spiritual and stuff. You know, he talked about talking to the spirits and I feel like I don't know if there's like any person who believes that.

Speaker: what they believe in 100% of the time. You know, like, she might entertain skepticism. Yeah. Because we are, she's human and we all do that. Like, she could, she could, like, believe and also question at the same time. And it doesn't necessarily mean she's, like, certain he's not.

Speaker: But she could be, like, not sure because it's strange. And I do also think it's her job to be skeptical of everything and everyone. And to be fair, he often gets it wrong.

Speaker: like Yeah. He is lucky in that so far, like him getting it wrong has either led to him getting it right or ultimately is right in the end.

Speaker: But there are definitely a lot of times when he makes it so that she should be skeptical yeah of what happens or of what he does or how he gets his information.

Speaker: yeah but yeah i i don't ah the idea of her being consciously aware that he's deceiving everybody i i can't really get behind yeah yeah yeah it'll be interesting because they definitely deal more with the repercussions of some of what he some yes techniques later in the series um And so it'll be interesting to like watch those again and see how everybody's reacting to like yes being confronted with what he has actually done. Like the yeah specific one is the Christmas one where he is like surveilled.

Speaker: Yeah. Going through stuff. Yeah. um yeah Another one, just because talking about it, but another one I love the

Speaker: one in the where he goes in for the Batman figurine and ends up yeah like witnessing a murder basically or seeing it finding body or whatever um and how the killer can't like confess or eric can't like ah prove him wrong right because it would incriminate him right yes yeah yeah yeah yeah but it will be interesting Yeah, but I just wanted to ah throw that out there because I never ever thought about it.

Speaker: Yeah, it's it's interesting because... Yeah, I wonder if that is actually something that is more a part of like the common conscious or the common conversation surrounding psych.

Speaker: Because I feel like Lassie's skepticism is very clear. Jewel's lack of skepticism is very clear. and then...

Speaker: I don't know. I feel like Vic is kind of on the periphery to the point where it's just maybe not... At least for me, it was never within the realm of like... Yeah. Yeah, well, even Lassie, like, he is skeptical, but he... Like, he's skeptical in...

Speaker: the way of like wanting to catch Sean out. Yeah. Like, yeah. um But he can't like he, Sean astounds him. Like he can't figure it out.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. um And then, yeah, Vic is more skeptical. Just yeah. Sort of passively. I don't know. I don't think she's like trying to prove him wrong or anything. Like he is, as you said, getting results.

Speaker: um And And some of the, like, psychic things he does are very effective. Like, even the way he walks into this room and says, you know, you are... to Morgan, like... Right.

Speaker: You're investigating a fire and, like, you're not getting a lot of backup and blah, blah. Like, and she's like, that's spot on. Like, it is, like, creepy. Like, that would be weird if somebody just told you what was going on. Oh, yeah. And... And so...

Speaker: Yeah, it just, I don't know, it I could see being sort of, like, um amazed by him. Yeah. And if you're not actively, like, i don't know, following him around. Right.

Speaker: Like, trying to prove that he is not, then it appears that he is. Right. And I i wonder, too... who

Speaker: I'm not sure if I'm going to phrase this so phrase this well, so just bear with me. But I wonder, too, like, Sean is technically a licensed private detective. Like, he is. Him and Gus have the certificates. They can't run their practice without it.

Speaker: So within that... sphere, like there are certain things that they can do. There is certain information that they can gain. Like they can use techniques to gather information.

Speaker: And really the difference between Sean and any other private investigators, how other than breaking the law is how he presents the information. He he just doesn't present it as saying like, here's what I found. He, he makes it more of a spectacle and,

Speaker: is there something like inherently wrong in that other than the fact that he's lying again, because he's still getting the results. Right.

Speaker: Well, that's like how he, you know, his dream of how Jules would react in that sliding doors episode is that she would be like, well, you're a really good detective. Like he is.

Speaker: Yes. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. and even if you found out he was lying about being psychic, like, that does not detract really from what, I mean, really it says even more about how good of a detective he is and yeah how capable he is about solving crimes because he did not have any supernatural abilities. Yeah.

Speaker: Great point. Yeah. I mean, and then I was also thinking, like we've also talked about like, he does seem a little bit psychic. Like he does. Yeah, he does. He does have, um,

Speaker: a sense about things, which some might call being psychic. um And that's, you know, just sort of a debate. i don't know. It depends on what you believe in, what you want to call something.

Speaker: Right. Well, right, right. So then, okay. So I wonder if... We're like barely... i know. Whatever.

Speaker: I wonder if, if this were to like become a thing where they were like, ah you lied to us, we have to take you to court, right? Could they ever actually say, could they ever actually prove that he wasn't legitimately a psychic, right? Because it is, it all comes down to What you mean by psychic? did Did I overdo the delivery of the... Sure.

Speaker: But like I had a gut instinct. Right. I had a gut intuition, a reaction that turned out to be legitimate. How is that not psychic? That's true. Because, i mean, they do do things without, um you know, their...

Speaker: The knowledge of Vic and everybody. Like, they sneak into places and stuff. But also, when they are with, like, Lassie and Jules and everyone, they're like, like, Sean is like, I need to touch things. I need to feel things, see things. Like, he is sort of...

Speaker: candid about the fact that he yeah he needs to you know really be in into the stuff which is just like he is doing that and he's making observations um yeah he it's sort of the same yeah he reads he reads things in the moment i can't read people's minds what he's doing yeah yeah yeah yeah he reads the present um yeah

Speaker: There was something else. Oh, it'll be, yeah, in those episodes where he does sort of get caught doing things, it'll be interesting to, to like, see again what he says to kind of play it off because I don't remember.

Speaker: Yes, me either. But yeah, when he when he does kind of get in trouble, he kind of goes like, well, you know I have to have to touch things. have to smell have to lick things. Which is just the truth.

Speaker: Yeah. And Vic has said, we're lucky if our psychic doesn't lick the body. like There is sort of an understanding of his techniques.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It'll it'll be... It'll be interesting to see with the the closer lens that we're taking as I hold up my monocle. Is this a monocle?

Speaker: What is it? I guess it is. it could be be. Yeah. Why not? Or a magnifying glass. There you go. Either. Yeah. I held it like this as if it was a magnifying glass, but it could be a monocle.

Speaker: Sure. Why not? I like that idea. um It'll be interesting to see, yeah, kind of what we piece out of that. Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Now that we've gotten five minutes. Five minutes into the episode. We're in Vic's office.

Speaker: Oh, I do like when they're going in. um I think Jewel says like she's looking for backup or something. And yeah Sean's like, dude, we're backup. but And I love Gus being like right on board. What? What?

Speaker: So we do get some fun stuff in here. Oh my gosh. and My favorite is Sean speaking courtroom jargon.

Speaker: And I love... Mockery of these proceedings. I love Lassie's poll too where he's like you're not going to let him do that thing. Like he's done this before. I love... Love it.

Speaker: Yeah. When we're like we get to experience something for the first time that the characters already know about. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, and he's he has a bunch of really good pulls in that ah that little bit with all the courtroom jargon that are just so so ridiculous.

Speaker: But essentially, we get to the point where Vic is like, let's just go check it out. Like, let's see. Yeah. And also just allowing Sean to be they are. Sean's like, what do you think, Chief?

Speaker: We have a match made in heaven. Yeah. have on Oh my gosh.

Speaker: And I love love that So they go to the fire. And I love that they they walk in and like some of the first lines freaking crack me up. Sean just goes, man, this place is totally bright. And Gus goes, it's called a fire, Sean.

Speaker: And we get to meet our code enforcer, Armie Johnson, which it took me until this episode to realize that his first name Armie. Yeah, it's such don't... What would that be short for?

Speaker: i Maybe Arnold? And they shortened it to Armie? Yeah, I've always thought that was interesting, too. What? Let's see. What is Armie short for?

Speaker: nickname Armand

Speaker: that's not what I was looking for oh they're telling me telling me about the k-pop group fans BTS fans are called the ARMY um what okay I need to rephrase this I'm sorry yeah like ARMY baby nameberry that's a name thing right sure

Speaker: It looks like it's just army. All right.

Speaker: um Word name or variation of army. A-R-M-I-E. English from French. Meaning military land force or soldier, if you didn't know.

Speaker: Fair enough. Tracks. So maybe his name is just army. I mean, hey, people have named their kids Stranger Things, so. Yeah. It's all right.

Speaker: And so we find out about Armie Johnson and that we're introduced to him essentially saying that this was an accident. We've determined that this was an accident. And, um you know, we like to support our our rookies, like our our newbies, our noobs in their whims. But this is like gotten out of control.

Speaker: So you need to kind of tone it down. Yeah, I do want, I know we've said a lot about the end already, so I would like to spoil it. Spoil it. Do it. So Armie Johnson is our arson murderer.

Speaker: Our murderer. Yes. Personist or assassin. Mm-hmm. He...

Speaker: Because I feel like it's interesting to watch him in this episode and like the decisions that he makes. Like for one, I think it's cool that we meet him in like the second scene. Yeah.

Speaker: Like um he's introduced very quickly. um And he he does a couple things.

Speaker: Well, okay. So I guess she is the arson inspector. Mm-hmm. But I think i think i was thinking of it more when later, when after what happens in the scene, when they um when they have to take it seriously.

Speaker: um And Morgan tells Lassie that she is in charge. She talked to Armie, basically, her boss, that and and they decided it's her investigation. And I feel like that is him trying to keep as much control. And also, I think he...

Speaker: Like, you know, he kind of... this He's very dismissive of her in this first scene. Yep. Like, as a rookie, I think also as a woman. Like, because he's like, honey. Yeah.

Speaker: And, yeah, I really... Like, he does not think she's going to be the one to catch it. Yeah. Yes. And so I feel like that is, like, he... He was trying to to dismiss her initially, but then it's like when it does become a case and there's nothing he can do about it, he's making it her case so that she fails.

Speaker: Yeah. Which I just think is interesting. And he's a complicated fellow. ah Yes. Definitely... He's got a lot going on.

Speaker: And again, we we talked in the beginning about like whether the decisions he's making are really rational or thoughtful decisions or not, or just a decision he has to kind of make in the moment. And I feel like that is that decision is very similar.

Speaker: I think he just split judgment goes new young woman not going to be able to figure this out. You take the case. not thinking that she's actually extremely determined as we can just the first like five seconds that we meet her very serious takes her job extremely seriously goes over the fire department goes over her boss and goes to the police chief to say something's not right here like he definitely miscalculated um by giving it to her but then again this whole episode seems like a whole host of miscalculations for him so yeah

Speaker: tough yeah but yeah so i and he's is he still there does he leave he leaves okay yeah um and the reveal is just great like sean whispering to gus like that wall doesn't have any insulation it and also morgan has told sean like he can't touch anything like there's evidence well i guess Yeah, just Sean, really.

Speaker: Fair. yeah I wonder if she's been forewarned. He touches everything. Just wait. Yeah, just his vibe. He seems unpredictable. Yeah, but yeah. And Sean does not take that instruction. He no walks over to that wall that seems suspicious, picks up a big pipe, and smashes it.

Speaker: He's like, there's something off with this wall. skeleton. A skeleton. Falls out of the wall. we Skull. Yeah.

Speaker: And it's like, oh shit. Yeah. um And it's pretty, I mean, it's like icky looking too. Because theoretically, um well, obviously, when Armie Johnson put...

Speaker: the body into the wall. It was a full-on body. He then put chemicals on top of it to like melt it. so this These bones are like icky, sticky yeah and now black, charred. We alluded to it at the beginning, but she Morgan also explains as they're walking in here that like um oh the firefighters smelt something sweet after That yes is a sign of a stronger accelerant than just alcohol.

Speaker: Because they did find cigarettes and alcohol. And Lassie's like, you know there's been reports of kids.

Speaker: um teens like looking for places to party yeah and sean's like yes have you ruled that teenagers meeting in abandoned buildings and making like baked alaska or something bananas foster bananas foster yeah

Speaker: i just love that like we now have this and i guess it's kind of stereotypical that teenagers are going to get into ruckus you know But now we've got teenagers in caves. Teenagers in men and children. Teenagers just all over the place.

Speaker: Causing ruckus.

Speaker: And then we get the full title sequence. My favorite. I love a full title sequence. And i I can never tell, like, I bet there's a reason.

Speaker: Like, they probably play the full title sequence when they're slightly under runtime or something. Yeah, i think it's time. Yeah, but I just... and love a full title sequence. It's just so good.

Speaker: It really gets you pumped, you know? yeah

Speaker: So then we go to the coroner's office, sadly still... Still not Woody. Not Woody. There's nobody even in there, huh? No, it's just them. Yeah. guess the court Maybe they were on lunch. You know, the coroner had to eat some food.

Speaker: Woody would have stayed, but okay. He'd be eating food next to the body. He would. would. But we find in the coroner's office that... Not only was the body found with a.22 slug in it so it was shot, the body was shot before it was burned, we also find that, oh no, that's not this one.

Speaker: Is it this one? Yes, it is. The shoes. No, I think it's the next one. The next one. Never mind. We find the slug. Yeah, and and he was the person was shot execution style. Lassie yes ah demonstrates that on Sean.

Speaker: yeah like kneecaps of fingernail yeah and they kind of have the classic jurisdiction debate and that's when Morgan says that they said it's her case um and I also love the line Lassie's like a dead body changes things and Sean's like that's his email signature it's so quick it's like blink and you'll miss it that's his email signature so

Speaker: I'm just imagining that as an email signature. and That should be our one email signature. Yeah.

Speaker: I thought that would be a good t-shirt. A good body changes things.

Speaker: Any hoodle. We then go to The fire station for the first time. Not the only time, but the first time. And this is when we find out that fireman Paul is sadly no longer with us.

Speaker: I think as we're walking to, like, I just wanted to mention, Sean, like, explains that oh he that he thinks it's a fireman or somebody. Like, yeah an inside job. Because the fireman...

Speaker: the I think Morgan explained how like the other accelerant and then stuff. And Sean's saying that they started at one place and then moved the flames toward the body because they knew that the first thing the arson inspector would look for was a point of origin. and Gus is like, how do you know this?

Speaker: And Sean's like, I rode the backdraft ride at Universal Studios like 74 times. Gus says, you can't base this whole thing on a movie. And he's like, there's a movie? Yeah. Which I did mean also to look that up and see if maybe at some time we need to watch it.

Speaker: Backdraft? Yeah, we could. um Forgotten Blockbuster. well I also love that when they meet our fire captain, his immediate response is, oh, you're the psychos.

Speaker: Oh, yeah. They're like psychics. But yes, also psychos, yes. Yeah. Yeah, the vibe in that conversation is interesting.

Speaker: Yes. Because I don't... What's his name again? Dan? Fire Chief Dan? Fire Chief Dan. Dan something. I have it somewhere. um That works.

Speaker: I don't know if Dan... and feel funny just calling him his first name, but... Chief Dan. Chief Dan... um like really doesn't it know that it's psychic you know almost like sean does you know because he's like you're the psychos and then he calls the psychic thing like he calls it hokum yes hokum and then gus really dishes it to him he's like hokum because that hokum found traces of

Speaker: I want to say methylbenzene, but I don't know if I made that Sure. At the

Speaker: Methylbenzene. How did remember that? you. You're nearly a pharmaceutical sales rep. and Look at you.

Speaker: Yeah. And I love Gus being like yeah defensive about because he's also a psychic detective. And yeah. Just love that.

Speaker: Yeah, Dan definitely seems skeptical of them. Yes, and this also i also wonder with him, because we eventually find out that he figures out what's going on.

Speaker: When do we think he starts to to suspect what is happening? Yeah.

Speaker: I don't think yet. I feel like maybe after the next one, and maybe it's like partly ah sean and Gus like poking at things. you know yeah Because because he doesn't he goes into the next building and he calls yeah bunch of like yeah whole hardware stores after that. yes

Speaker: So it seems like he would have done that if he had you know, realize sooner. Right. So it's like that, it seems like that fire and that next day he is like unraveling this. And he, because, and then Gus says he called a bunch of hardware stores and then he came back here all panicked.

Speaker: Right. So it's like, I think that's when he real figures out that it's army Johnson. And then, um, is, you know, I mean, I guess concern for his friend more than anything. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker: um so yeah i feel like it's kind of right around that fire and after it yeah i think that's fair because at this point there's no pattern it's just a fire in a building that happens with a body h but then we start to see but another building from 98 with a body odd what might be the connection yeah And theoretically, if they're friends, like, who knows? Maybe they hang out outside of this. Like, maybe he's noticing him acting differently or you know, maybe his patterns have changed. Like, who, you know, who knows? Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah. The idea of him calling these places and then being, like, panicked, that strikes me as, like, he had a suspicion and then confirmed. Yes.

Speaker: And he's, you know, obviously not happy to have it confirmed. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess that's kind of how I see it going down.

Speaker: And I wonder, like, if he also observes some of the things that ah Sean figures out, you know, that, like, yeah they are easy to put out. and Yeah.

Speaker: And they are all on this list. And they're, like, like yeah, like, he starts maybe thinking about this and knowing what his – I mean, they the his firefighters may have also like talked about what Sean and Gus asked them, and like maybe that makes them think about it a little bit more.

Speaker: I think that all makes sense.

Speaker: Tough position to be in. know. Poor guy. and ultimately leads to him yeah sadly losing his life. yeah I do feel like This show, like this, we have talked about like how sad this episode is and like, I mean, there's like layers of sadness, like the past deaths, the like revenge story and the deaths that happened and like,

Speaker: um but the way, like they, they really just like touch on it. Like it doesn't, it still doesn't feel. Yeah.

Speaker: Like it still feels like psych. It's doesn't feel too sad, even though it is like, if you stop and think it's very sad, but it's like, you are still in, you know, there's so much humor and just like this light touch that they handled this trip, these tragic events with.

Speaker: Yeah. um And it's interesting how they're able to walk that line. Yeah, to the point, I mean, it really doesn't feel...

Speaker: ah Like, I think you could show this episode to any psych fan and they would be like, that was a great psych episode. Like, I don't think anyone would, you know, think it different. Even though you're right, the subject matter is much more much more sad, much more intense. But hu the way that they juxtapose it with the humor still keeps it in the same vein as everything else that we're used to seeing.

Speaker: Yeah. and And the moments that you get... Because I'm thinking of like, in another show... You'd have a lot more like, and I don't say this as a slight, but like melodrama where it would be like larger emotion and like, you know, maybe more speeches and like just more intense dialogue and stuff. And we know we don't do any of that really in sight, except like Very briefly in the nutshelling, we get that.

Speaker: Like we just get it for moments. Yeah, yeah. And that is incredibly impactful. Like again, performances but like Armie Johnson, that tear, like seeing this old man cry. breaks my heart every time. And then attempt like To kill himself i in a blaze? like Which is like... It is intense. Gruesome. Yeah.

Speaker: A gruesome way to eye Yeah. And this episode too seems... was wondering... I mean, I don't think it's in any particular point in the season. But like similar to how we talked about bounty hunters, like the stunts being really big. Like there's some explosions.

Speaker: Yes. There's some big... like i mean, that's an insane stunt. The fire engulfing this person... Yeah. The fire engulfing the person, the explosion in the building with Lassie and Jules, like essentially right there.

Speaker: I mean, even Sean and Gus, like running, yeah running into the burning building and ceiling tiles falling in front Yeah, that was a lot. Uh-huh. Yeah. there's and but then it's like, that's a great example. Like that ceiling falling down, like that is incredibly scary. And then they're just like,

Speaker: Get everything you need. lot of them. Yeah. That's good. Like, it's like so casual. Like, yeah they they keep you, um I guess, sort of grounded. Like, they just prevent it from getting too scared.

Speaker: even though yeah it is like in that moment. And then it's just like, and then you can't, you don't stay in that moment very long. Yes. I also think that the, the show does a very good job, like musically of helping you get out of those feelings.

Speaker: So, you know, the stuff falls in front of them and they make a silly quip and then it's, you know, du du but du ban ah da and you yeah go into the next scene it's like not a big you know like no not that big deal anymore where on another show they might play this like very serious intense music that really gets you feeling scared where here it's yeah pretty rare that we get we get stuff like that well my next note is trading montage so fun oh my god so good i basically dance is like

Speaker: you know He's skeptical of them. He's like, I don't have... i And maybe he's just tired because he's like, stand on my shift. I'm going home. Talk to them if you want. Bye. And so Sean weasels their way into training drills with them.

Speaker: And it's just delightful. It is... It is so fun. Like, just how, again, committing to the bit. They're like, we need to find out information.

Speaker: and the only way we're going find out information is by doing these training drills with them because that's what they're going to do. So let's do it. And I feel like, too, it's like, this is, I feel like Sean saw this opportunity and just seized it. Like, this is a dream.

Speaker: Yes. He's going to get to wear the fireman costume. Yeah. like And like, even the moment where... he is talking to a guy going down the pole and Gus is like, I already talked to that guy. He was on the pole.

Speaker: like i had to talk to him. I had to go down the pole. It's just like they, it is fun. It's sort of like how, you know, going to the aquarium, he's going to ride a dolphin. It's like he yeah like, yes, he is trying to do his job, but also is trying to fulfill his childhood dreams.

Speaker: Yeah. He's all in it, which is beautiful that he always has that in the back of his mind. You know, not everybody would be bold enough. Yes. And also connected to their inner child enough to be like, I'm going to do this because I have been dreaming of this since I was nine.

Speaker: Yeah. And to be fair, they do get a lot of really good information. They do. out of all this they find out that the building was completely empty there was like no other people in it there were lots of open spaces there wasn't even furniture and they didn't see anyone suspicious like in the crowd or outside or you know what maybe you might expect from someone who has set ablaze onto the building and then and actual fire gets called while they're in their get-ups

Speaker: And I love that there, of course, go you know, Gus being the responsible one, he's saying like, we're not going to do this. And Sean's like, come on, you got to do it. I love his line. They won't even know I'm driving the truck. Yes.

Speaker: What do you mean they won't know you're driving the truck? It's like he is playing both sides. It's like this, we can get some crucial intel going to this fire. And also I'm going to drive a fire truck.

Speaker: Like let's, you can't tell me no Gus. You can't tell me no. He's like, I need you to tell me. you We are not going into a burning building. We are not not going into. So good.

Speaker: But let's go. oh So good. But then I love that they I also just love the mental image because we don't necessarily see it. But love the image of them driving in these firefighter uniforms in the blueberry. yeah So true.

Speaker: Top speed. and ah So funny. And important, I wrote this down in all bold. We get there. like a bunch of like little things that happen.

Speaker: Sean notices that there's like a little bit of rubble in the chief's hair and we're about to go inside. Gus does not want to go inside. And Sean goes, Gus, I need the super sniffer.

Speaker: Here it is. Confirmed. It has been called the super sniffer. yes it feels it feels right it does sniffer yes super smell or just sound yeah it doesn't too lippy yeah yeah it's like oh yeah it's like in my throat yeah super sniffer just runs right off right off the tongue and sadly we find yet another body in this blaze But this is after the boys nearly choke themselves to death with all the smoke that they've inhaled through all of this. So much so that Minetti, one of the other firefighters, is screaming at them.

Speaker: and tele Not amused. No. In his cop days, I would have arrested both of you. Stupidest thing I've ever seen. Which, to be fair, yeah, incredibly stupid. Yeah, they were not in there long.

Speaker: and And no. Yeah, because they over well they overhear Dan telling somebody on the radio, I think, that they secured the first floor and they're moving somebody to the second. And Sean's like, dude, let's go. And Gus is like, these things open up again all the time.

Speaker: um Which, yeah, clearly not a very dangerous situation to walk Yeah. And they were not in there long. But yeah, when we meet them, when we find them again, once they leave, they're sitting together on a gurney but with oxygen masks and just like covered in like soot.

Speaker: Soot, yeah. yeah and So, yeah, I could see why Minetti would be. Well, and it's like you're walking in there and now these firefighters are responsible for you. Right. And I'm sure that Minetti seemed the chief said that Minetti is like his second in command. Yeah.

Speaker: So theoretically, he's probably in charge of this operation inside since the chief is outside. That is not only dangerous for Sean and Gus, but it's also dangerous for the firefighters because now they might have to go back in and save your sorry ass for doing something stupid like running into a burning building.

Speaker: so Yeah, i I get his anger. I get it Absolutely.

Speaker: So now we go back to the coroner's office. Yes. To look at our other body. And this is when the shoes come up. Yes. purple and gold which sean immediately clocks yeah actual gold actual gold like 24 carat the legit stuff sean clocks as jet jaguar sneakers only sold in 1998 and he knows because gus had a bear and they were barely last he had a bear which is hilarious i do love that too also like

Speaker: How old was Lassie in 98? Because Lassie and the boys are not the same age. That's a good question. How old is... I'll just look at Carlton Lasseter age and see if we know.

Speaker: Oh, we have a full birthday. Oh! April 11, 1968. Okay. 68, so he currently... we put Sean in like eighty No.

Speaker: Where did we put Sean? 79? Yeah, I don't know how I'm going find this but... um Okay, so he's probably like, let's say, eight to ten years older?

Speaker: Eight to nine years older? Yeah. I could see that. So imagine, the boys are like ten. Well, they wouldn't be ten.

Speaker: No, twenty. Twenty. Yes, and he's like in his late twenties. Yeah. mean, I feel like that's actually not too bad. Yeah. Yeah. To be wearing and like purple and cold. It's interesting to think about, though, Lassie going through a phase.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Sneakerhead phase. Yeah. Yes, but the the big thing is that the Jet Jaguars were only sold in 1998 because they were in incredibly uncomfortable.

Speaker: So yeah they never sold them again. And John is positive that nobody would have worn them later. Correct. So this body must have been placed there. In 1998. Because he would not have been wearing them for an entire decade.

Speaker: Which is wild to think that... Again, i'd like my sense of time with this show is so horrible because we're in 2008 in this show. yeah But 98 to 2008 is only 10 years, but 2008 is like 20 years from now. I'm, you know, all over the place.

Speaker: Yeah. He also clocks... that our friend has ah very particular set of chompers. He's got some gaps in his teeth.

Speaker: Yes. Which will come in handy later. Yes. um And they discuss if Spencer's right, they're going to get a list of all the buildings built in 1998.

Speaker: Does somebody already know that something was built in 1998?

Speaker: the other building like didn't did morgan say anything or it is it's always kind of i feel like surprising to me when i watch this episode that all the like building stuff is like a big reveal when they were built that they're being seismically retrofitted that it like all of that stuff

Speaker: which i guess makes sense Because when a fire, when the fire department is called for a fire, it's just a fire. Like you don't know everything about right where it is or anything, but it's just like always like, oh, right.

Speaker: um Well, and I think in this particular case, the person who has that information is the person who directly wants them to not have that information. Very true.

Speaker: So that's probably, I think, more of why in this case it's. Yeah, that's a good point. No surprise. Yeah. They are being played off here.

Speaker: Lassie's very skeptical of the building, that the bodies were just rotting in there for 10 years. That's your theory. And then I think, yeah, Morgan does, it doesn't say that, it doesn't have names, but I'm pretty sure it's Morgan. says, actually come to think of it, both buildings were built in 98.

Speaker: And then somebody says an empty construction site is a good place to kill someone. Um, um And it'd be easy to slip a body behind the drywall. Uh-huh. So, yeah. And then Lassie's going to get a list of all the buildings that were built 10 years ago.

Speaker: then Sean says, you can just get a list of that. I'd like a list of all available Zoltar machines for a little 14-year-old friend of mine. And then Jules just looks at him and is like,

Speaker: comes up like she doesn't look she just like looks mildly curious but she's like she's got it covered I love that so cute and then and think we go back to the fire station and this is at when Gus has been following Dan hu yes we kind of talked about this already I just want to say my favorite line in this comes from Sean directed at Gus.

Speaker: Dalmatians are not indigenous to fire. Yeah. Yeah. Gus has this obsession with seeing a Dalmatian here at the firehouse.

Speaker: They're adorbs, but apparently very aggressive. Really? This is what I heard, which I suppose kind of makes sense. You wouldn't necessarily want a very docile dog. Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah. I don't know a lot about them. Just... The movie and the fire truck. Yep. The spots. Those are it. I do love the movies. The movies are pretty great.

Speaker: Although Cruella de Vil always scared me as a kid. She's scary. I feel like yeah I've been watching more of these old cartoons lately, like showing them to my child. And they are dark.

Speaker: some yeah like of like i am i don't have a high tolerance i'm more like your dad i just enjoy myself like we turned on tarzan i love tarzan it's in the first like two minutes it's like a montage and like the poor baby monkey gets murdered yep by the cheetah and then the mom gorilla goes to the house and like the parents dead bodies are laying there yep and the baby is just like buried in the fat like some fabric like i'm also like this is crazy my son is like that's scary that is yeah like turn it off that scary emotionless yeah and then i like try to fast forward to like a good part and it's still scary he's like turn it off he's like nope not for me ah for me

Speaker: Yeah. So and i get it. I was like, I don't remember any of this. I think I blocked it out. Yeah, I think that's fair. Well, and then ah Disney, I feel like all the Disney movies that I have in my like Rolodex or like the, you know, kind of Renaissance, like 90s, early 2000 Disney movies, they had movies before that.

Speaker: obviously but before the 90s like before the renaissance they had some dark ass movies like the black cauldron that thing is scary as shit like yeah i think i've seen that but it's been a long time yeah i saw um a friend had watched lady and the tramp recently it was like whoa like it just yeah they're just like a lot darker than we remember yeah Yeah, we just remember, like, the songs and the cuteness and not, like, the homelessness. like, dramatizing. I'm like, it's tough because, I mean, maybe it's good for him to be exposed to this stuff, but I'm like, i don't really want to watch this.

Speaker: I mean, you don't have to. That's the great thing. for you Yeah, but I like the idea. Like, we went to watch Tarzan. I remember Tarzan and Jane and, like, the Yeah. like yes uh yeah doby yeah' papa like i was thinking like ah good times and i'm like what no phil collins who doesn't love phil collins oh my phil collins it all comes back to phil collins and now we can go back on topic full circle

Speaker: Although he doesn't show up in this episode. But, you know, he's always in the back of Vicks brain. so Maybe that's why she was in such a good mood in the opening scene. She was just, like, jamming in her office. Could be. Could be.

Speaker: her be

Speaker: So, oh yes, Gus has been tailing Fire Chief Dan all day. It is funny. He sounds like like Henry or something. He's very serious. um And they describe how like he spent an hour picking out a rototiller. Like, he's just...

Speaker: a guy like he's i he and he's not an assassin so you know he he is doing some suspicious things but ultimately he's not doing that much because he's not really that suspicious um but gus is like he's definitely our guy because he called like five um hardware stores asking it about methyl benzene and and then came back to the firehouse in a panic and so now very suspicious yeah oh and then they see him like take the end of the hose off and they're like it's sabotage yes making it harder for them to fight the fires which always makes it's funny to me because like the whole thing up to now has been that the guys whoever it is is making it easier to fight right so right but they're like oh my gosh yeah i yeah i think it's like though a one-track mind kind of thing they're in the moment

Speaker: Yes, totally. Well, and they've turned this into a very, like, ah not heated, but a very intense moment. Like, they're hiding from him. They've climbed on top the fire truck. They're now crouched inside of a hose crevice. Like, you know...

Speaker: they're hiding from him they see him you know whatever Gus grabs an axe like it's a whole thing yeah they're gonna like confront him because he goes into a room that there's only one exit so Sean's like we'll go around confront him yeah we confront we corner we confront he confesses we get samosas yes good call samosas are delicious so very good call then they burst into the room And it is a group of school children.

Speaker: This whole scene, I'm like, stop talking. oh Stop talking. Stop talking. That teacher's face? My face. Yeah. um Earlier when you were talking about the teenagers in caves, that also reminded me of this.

Speaker: ah yeah Sean is telling them, you know, to not smoke in... where does where's the first thing oh he says um don't yeah don't forget to put like put out oh yeah always put out your cigarettes and yeah the teacher's like looking at him like what are you saying and he's like and don't smoke in bed yeah and she just keeps staring at me or in restaurants Or in caves?

Speaker: he and She's like, no smoking. Don't get smoke. Absolutely no smoking. No smoking. Yeah, they are terrible at this. Oh my god. But yeah, so basically Dan and Minetti is there too, I think, and maybe something else.

Speaker: But they're doing like a ah presentation for these little kids. Yeah. Which is reminiscent of probably the same presentation that John and Gus would have seen as children. Oh my gosh.

Speaker: love a good full circle. And Gus is holding an axe. like Yeah, tries to casually like just toss it over at John. I think I wrote down... Oh,

Speaker: so i well, I think ah Dan asked what they're doing here. And John's like, we are here to help with the lesson. Clearly. Clearly.

Speaker: acts and our persons. So, yeah. And Dan gets fed up. Dan is, yeah, Dan's like, stop that. Kicks them out. Yeah.

Speaker: And in kicking them out, Sean swipes Dan's phone. And then, you know, Gus is like, why would you do that? And Sean's like, Gus, I plead the third.

Speaker: And every time he says that, I'm like, you dumb dumb. I love you, but you dumb dumb. And then I just love that just that Gus goes, huge the third is just not housing soldiers in your house.

Speaker: Like, that's not that. You mean the third. I've heard it both ways. No, I don't think- What ways have you heard it? Yeah, what ways have you heard That's not right. And then that comes back around later too, which is fun.

Speaker: um And then we go to another- go to the office. I have a- My next note is- Oh, no, it's not.

Speaker: I skipped ahead. Okay, yeah. So we're back at the office.

Speaker: and oh morgan's there yes citing all their code violations so funny it's funny because gus is so like i've never walked into a building and left the safe and she's like oh really because whatever fire or what is it your smoke detector is a bowl with an m&m on it You're overloaded socket. Yeah, socket. Hot plate on the ground.

Speaker: Next to newspaper. Yeah, and the whole time Sean's making excuses for why that is. have to eat soup while I work. will not apologize for that.

Speaker: Oh, just so silly. they... and they tell Morgan that they believe Chief Dan Fire Chief Dan is the man who's setting all the fires and she is so very touched by the fact that they're gonna let her solve this and not themselves and she's unsure at first but then she's like actually he he has been like he really didn't want her to investigate I think like he thought it

Speaker: It was sure it was an accident or whatever. yeah And I also love... I believe she asked why he thinks that or something. And Sean's like, it's not that I stole his cell phone or anything. Because yeah I don't do that sort of thing.

Speaker: So I'm guessing someone didn't. I'll solve that later.

Speaker: it was so good. was so good. Telling on himself to make it all more believable. Yeah.

Speaker: And in that very next moment, we find out that yet another fire has been set. third fire. And they get there. Jules and Lassie are already there. Morgan is being all professional-like, as she often is.

Speaker: And says to them that just out of professional courtesy, she wants them to know that she will be arresting or detaining. I don't really know if she can arrest. questioning? well I think she's bringing him in.

Speaker: chief dan yeah and jules like well that's gonna it's gonna be a problem because they found chief dan's dead body also at the scene along with the skeleton i know poor chief they find out that he died of asphyxiation So he ah likely inhaled too much milk is essentially what happened.

Speaker: But we also soon find out, or Sean soon realizes that someone tried to save him because he has a very similar bruise on his chest to one that Gus pointed out earlier in the episode after someone was trying to resuscitate one of the fire ah training CPR training on him. Yes.

Speaker: On his chest. And, um, Yes, this is very sad. I mean, I guess not in this moment because we still think that he did it. But later on, it becomes very sad when we find out kind of how this all happened, which is, I guess we can spoil it because we already talked about who the killer was.

Speaker: um is Essentially, Dan figured out that it was Armie Johnson and we know that they're friends. And Dan went to essentially try and stop him from creating another fire and, you know, possibly hurting more people.

Speaker: And being the fireman that he is, he tried to put out the blaze once it was started. And he sadly ended up ah getting asphyxiated and passing.

Speaker: So sad.

Speaker: Yeah. I think now we go back to the police department and they have all the mugshots of the crew. because they ID'd one of them via the pacemaker.

Speaker: Indeed. Yes, and they, yeah, they find other people who ran, were associated, were accomplices with this guy, one of whom was Stephen J. Rankle.

Speaker: Oh, no, he, this guy, Stephen J. Rankle, the guy that we found. We find that out from his pacemaker or whatever. And they're looking at his accomplices, which is when Sean notices that one of the accomplices on the board has very similar gaps in their teeth.

Speaker: to our second victim with the jet jaguars. Yes. And this is when the pieces start to start to come together four for Sean. We're starting to understand our furderer little bit better.

Speaker: But they're still not 100% positive as to why now. Like, this is their big thing. Why now? why are Why did the fire start at this moment? So they go to talk to army johnson about getting we also find out that the only one they have heard from in the last 10 years is both oh yes and and so they put out a bolo and sean says you're gonna issue all these guys bolo ties and i'm like is this the first bolo we've had in psych yeah that's amazing yeah that's like such a classic

Speaker: crime show thing yeah that is a pretty much term so that's fun um yeah they got their bolo out on Bodhi and then yeah he heads back to the fire or well I don't know if that's all in the fire department but they were they head to army's office yes um with Morgan uh-huh

Speaker: Yeah, and they're looking to get information on these buildings. And Army Johnson is... Classic Army. Yeah. Not really having it. Sure. Fill out requisition form IG-88 or whatever. Yeah.

Speaker: Which, like, I can buy as, like, a thing. But also, suspicious. Suspicious. Yeah, he's making it hard. Yeah. just He doesn't want them to get this information. Yeah.

Speaker: But luckily, we have a plan B. We do. Gus sets off the fire alarm. Yes. Oh, one other note I have here.

Speaker: Yeah. ah Sean talking and holding that little fire dog figurine. Yeah, so cute. It reminded me of how he handles the fish in Vic's office. Totally. think He just finds a knickknack.

Speaker: He loves desk trinkets. He must touch them. Like father, like son. kewa like father like son Yes. actor business

Speaker: so yeah when army johnson essentially refuses to give them the information they start plan b which includes gust setting off the fire alarm not pulling the fire alarm because then he would be directly culpable but setting off ah setting an incense lighting incense so that the smoke set the fire alarm the smoke did yeah which is so very gust like yeah the minutiae of that I remain non-covable. Yes.

Speaker: And they very quickly find out through the computer that all of the buildings that have been burned were set in 98 or built in 98 and have a little SR next to them, which means seismic retrofit.

Speaker: So they need to be brought up to code. And this will be happening. Immediately. Immediately. ah Which is very fast indeed. ah

Speaker: And this is what like makes us go, okay. All of the building's walls are going to be opened up to bring them up to code. And therefore the bodies are going to be found.

Speaker: So this person is trying to just cover their tracks a little bit more thoroughly by setting the fires to char the bodies. And in finding out all of this, Sean, you know, tells Gus, we got to get out of here. like Make it quick.

Speaker: Gus is like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got a couple minutes. worry. Sean's like, no, I would really hurry it up. Poor Guster. Glances at the ceiling subtly and leaves. And then the sprinklers turn on. Which is tough.

Speaker: Yeah. but I always wonder what makes the sprinklers come on. Because... Would it really come on from just the incense? That's a great question. Because it ru would ruin everything in that office.

Speaker: All of that tech would be totally destroyed. I always wonder about sprinklers. I don't really know how they work. Yeah, i want yeah it's it's a good question.

Speaker: I don't know. i've never I've never seen a sprinkler go off yeah in that fashion. yeah But for the comedy, it sure works.

Speaker: Oh, they work by detecting high heat, not smoke. Oh. Which activates the sprinkler head closest to the fire, releasing water to extinguish or control the flames. So I don't think they would have gone off.

Speaker: No, not in reality. But. But that makes sense. It is fun. Yeah. It's fun to think.

Speaker: um And poor Gus is so good. Yeah. So And he's pissed. Yes. Which, rightfully so. I would too. Tom's like, I gave you two warnings.

Speaker: Yeah, i would have been like, not clear enough warning. he was not explicit. No. But it's okay because we've gotten all the information that we need on the buildings, which we're going hand off to Lassie to do some further...

Speaker: looking into regarding the seismic retrofit that needs to happen.

Speaker: But in the meantime, we've gotten some intel on where Bodhi Lambert might be. I'm also realizing that I wrote down Bodhi as body.

Speaker: Nice. Which that's fun. Body Lambert. would not necessarily be the weirdest name in this episode so it's okay um and he's apparently been holed up in in a hotel so the police have like a whole team going in to try and apprehend this man and i i love this little scene it doesn't last for long but I feel like it's like when I think of apprehension scenes like this is one of my favorite ones it's one that often pops into my head from this show um yeah they bust into the motel room

Speaker: nobody in there. and They're clearing all the spaces. Everyone's like, darn, we missed them. And Sean sees... And it looks untouched. It does. It looks very pristine.

Speaker: Sean sees the tiniest little flutter. of ceiling tile fall onto Gus's shoulder. And without saying anything to anyone, of course, because he's psychic, he walks over to one of the other policemen, takes his baton without asking, which... Yeah, I was surprised nobody... Same....smacked him or...

Speaker: did anything stands on top of a chair may i out the baton and just pokes the ceiling and bode lambert and ceiling yeah our second ceiling falling out of the episode now that i think about it and to be fair another stunt falling out yes onto a bed but still episode yeah and all that yeah like just ceiling yeah like it's a mess it is a mess it is quite a it's quite a stunt yeah and they've got their vests on which is fun yes

Speaker: yeah it is just a cool fun scene yes so they bring yeah Bodhi back to the police station And Sean immediately clocks that he's wearing a ring with stars on it that make him think that this man is of the Wicca affiliation.

Speaker: And I don't actually know if he if he thinks he's Wicca right off the bat. I can never really tell. Yeah, I don't know what he... Thinks, right? Yeah. But just, like...

Speaker: ah yeah Other spiritual. Yeah. and yeah I don't know, like, that star, like, think Wiccans are, like like, a pentagram is, like, big... Yeah. Like, I don't know what I don't know. It seems like a leap, but but it works.

Speaker: Yeah. Because Lassie comes out and he's like, he's not talking. And then Sean observes that and he's like, give me a second. I have to go outside and get something off the ground.

Speaker: I love that line. Comes back in with a leaf behind his ear. This character i is so fun. I love yeah it's so funny the voice yeah hey man hey man yeah like a so like a surfer dude but yeah it's certainly yeah because it's like dude a hippie kind of like yeah he's conflating a lot of stuff like with the wicca and everything um And he like takes a bite of his leaf. Yes.

Speaker: And Bodhi's like, why are you eating that? That's what the Earth Mother allows me to eat. ah yeah

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, You're not Wicca. He's like, I'm level seven Jack or whatever he says. I don't know. and don't think that means anything. but What's your password?

Speaker: Same. don't know you, man. Same time. yeah

Speaker: He said something ridiculous. like Knight Rider. Knight Rider. Yeah. like Same as what you said, man. and

Speaker: So good. like We find out that Bodhi didn't have anything to do with yeah these fires. He went straight. He found Wicca. Right. um Because...

Speaker: of this creepy terrifying situation that happened someone like kidnapped him and tried to kill him but the gun jammed and he managed to get away and since then second chance yeah second chance yeah earth mother yes oh that would be a good one ah t-shirt the earth mother um and i love sean's little fist bump form it's like so it's like not a full it's like it's so like dandy yeah and

Speaker: and then we go back to the office and henry shows up yes that was the other thing we learned is that um there were what the only thing he remembers he like blocked it out but he heard a lot of birds oh yes birds i forgot about word their clue yes So they have like a big map up on our numbers board.

Speaker: And Henry seems involved. He is. seems into it. Yeah. like Like they've talked, they've explained it already. And he comes in like, I don't really remember what he says, but he's like, they're like he's like in the thick of this.

Speaker: Trying to identify this place. My just, my favorite line that Henry says in this scene is I did everything in my power to keep you off the pole. Yeah. ah just so good and john's like in every way possible yeah it is funny the the like resentment i guess that henry has for firefighters well i do feel like there is this kind of cliched like i don't know if it's actual but or like stereotypical like rivalry between i don't i mean the fire men

Speaker: Yeah, that is kind of funny. He's like, just really, because he's like, firefighters are trouble. I forget who thinks of it, but Gus had a bird as a child.

Speaker: Yes. And his parents told him that they were going to take it to a bird sanctuary. Right. um And Sean's like, where is that? And he's like, third and D. He's like, really?

Speaker: Third and D? Lots of birds, you can think of that. pressed until 12 seconds ago sean very difficult time frame and i love sean is trying to make it clear to him that this is a lie yes like have you have you seen your bird since then she's like he's like no has an illness where it has it can't be looked at and has to be in a mirrored cage or something

Speaker: and then henry's like your bird bit the bit big big big one yeah um and then we find out that that sean's rabbit also went to live on it like not everybody can be like you know whatever who went to live on a farm and henry's That's right, Simon.

Speaker: yeah Yeah, it's funny that Henry will pop Gus's bubble, no problem, but it's like, sure, Sean. Believe you want to believe, bud. ah Okay, so we realize, oh, it's scheduled to be retrofitted tomorrow, which means our senator is going to get to work today.

Speaker: Yes, there's a building very close to the birth sanctuary. And they told Morgan to check them check out these buildings, so she is in danger. um And so they got to run over there.

Speaker: And sure enough, the fire is a burning. And Morgan's knocked out on the ground. Yeah. Yeah. Scary stuff.

Speaker: And also, this building, i mean, again, he is just, army is just rolling with the punches here but i don't know what this building was used for but there are like a bunch of like barrels with hazardous material things i'm like this does not look like and then that explosion that happens like it seems like this would not be an easy one to put out but it's i mean i guess it's again it's like he's in he's gone too far he's got to keep going yep um so yeah we kind of talked to

Speaker: yeah this we it's yeah the whole ah last thing i'll say is again it's just very sad and like see this this old man confronting likely his biggest mistakes or you know things he but at the same time like he he's an interesting character because it's not like he's filled with regret really like he feels bad for Dan but also he's like it wasn't my fault he shouldn't have been there like he's still not taking responsibility really yes um so yeah it's like I mean it's a true complicated character like he's not he's not a good guy but he's also like sympathetic

Speaker: Yes. Or you feel for the situation. And I think part of that the performance. Because it's just hard to watch somebody cry like that. It's just like, oh my gosh. I know.

Speaker: then he sets himself on fire. Yeah. And even just like thinking about that, like he he can't really take responsibility. But to get to a point of like, I can't, I just can't do this anymore. It's like he either has to, like you were saying, it's like it's easier than getting caught. Like he either has to.

Speaker: face up to all of this or he's going to kill himself and so that's what he attempts to do yes but then feel disgust her fearless fearless jumps into the flames yeah um he's like get morgan and then just right in there it's like wow i know yeah and the whole you're yeah you said before the whole montage is just like so dramatic and so intense and the music is great yeah well we're also seeing like like before they even come out we're seeing lassie and jewels arrive yes like the the first responders are arriving and they're watching and they're like they see shots or they see the

Speaker: blueberry off there but they don't know where sean and gus are like how scary know um and then that big explosion blows out the whole front of the building and then yeah and then everything slows down and our boys come out the heroes that they are

Speaker: I think Morgan ends up on a gurney and Armie's on the ground and and then Lassie and Jules over there and Lassie's like, Armie Johnson? yeah He's so confused. Yeah, and Sean is like hacking up a lot, cannot get words out and Gus is probably like, he's the bad guy.

Speaker: And Lassie's like, really? yeah Which again, like just kind of undercutting that serious moment, which is like, really? Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah. And I think one of the things that I appreciate about psych too, is that even though we don't often have those serious moments, when we do have them,

Speaker: they are allowed to breathe a tiny bit. Like we don't immediately have to throw in other than when it's like Yang and Sean is, you know, super intensely anxious about the situation.

Speaker: um We don't immediately have to throw in a joke to be like, it's okay. Right. it you know It's a delicate balance. It is. that is do They do a good job of balancing it. Yeah.

Speaker: And then we jump back to the the fire station and Gus is volunteering yeah and he looks so dashing in his tight little fire department t-shirt and so cute he's a hero to the newbies because yeah which yeah he yeah caught an arsonist murderer he ran into a burning building he rescued carried someone out like very impressive list from the last few days heck yeah

Speaker: And Sean has a gift for him. Of course. Must come bearing gifts. Sad little dog. I wonder what the story is here.

Speaker: know. I mean, I'm thinking now of how he did a similar thing to Henry and it was like his neighbor's puppy. Yes. Like, I wonder where this dog came from. Yeah, I bet that this was like someone down the street's dog that he just thought would be funny paint on. And I wonder if those are even its real medications. I bet not.

Speaker: my My favorite delivery in this was when he was just like, and she might have mange.

Speaker: Or ham, I guess, actually, because Lady Godiva, but it's a boy. And that's it. Yeah, very nice little bow. Yes, indeed. Yeah. Our next episode is Any Given Friday Night at 10 p.m., 9 p.m. Central.

Speaker: Which is the football episode, believe. Very nice. And we had talked about watching a movie for this one, Any Given Sunday. Okay. We can do that. you want to. It's football ball movie.

Speaker: Yeah, let's do it. Okay. Yeah, this one's fun because i feel like we get a lot of A lot of good like kind of backstory. Yeah. We little bit of Sean and Jules, which is cute.

Speaker: And another like boys kind of living out their childhood dream. Yeah. Kind of a thing. That's true. And we I mean, we haven't mentioned it with so much in these last few episodes, but our running theme for the season being them kind of yeah regressing or like like just that push and pull between childhood and adulthood. It's like it all fits right in.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not a big football person. So I think this, watching this movie beforehand will be good as a little bit of context. I understand the general premise. This episode is always kind of funny to me because i guess it's an NFL team, but it's like, I don't know. Is it not?

Speaker: I mean, i don't know what other leagues. I guess that's true. hu the Football's not really like baseball. Like there aren't, yeah, there aren't really levels in that way. There's some like leagues that have tried to start, but like, I don't,

Speaker: For it to be like, there's not like a minor league. Right, exactly, exactly, yeah Like that there'd be like a local team that everybody's following. and and Unless it was just college, which it's not. No, yeah, yeah. it is kind of, it's another one of those kind of funny things, like like the major fashion label that's in Santa Barbara. Yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: and And yeah, just, it's, I guess the NFL, but like just kind of feels smaller in this. So yes, but it is football season. So, Oh, makes sense.

Speaker: Now's the time. Yes. Well, if you'd like to watch any given Sunday and this episode to join us back here next week, feel free. We're here, you know, Tuesday, sometimes not.

Speaker: About. Around. You'll find us sometime. yeah We'll be back. We'll be back eventually. Isn't it that that all that matters? Yes, it is. um But next time we'll be talking about season three, episode 13 the Fame TV show, Psych.

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