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S3E14: Lyin' Ryan's Tale
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Series spoilers abound! We’re watching Season 3, Episode 14 “Truer Lies” and the boys have found themselves a full blown pathological liar. Lyin’ Ryan gets dragged into the station after apparently murdering his super. However, Shawn isn’t too convinced. It seems like Ryan may be telling the truth this time… at least partially. We’re following lies, finding the kernel of truth, and digging into how Shawn views himself. So grab your Quattro Quesos Dos Frittos and join Kylie and Skyler on this new episode of Phsysics 101!
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Introduction and Episode Overview
00:00:20
Speaker
Alright, hi everyone and welcome to the Sci6101 where we discuss everything about the world of psych and the antics of Sean and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar and this is my partner Grimace T. Jackson and today we'll be talking about season 3 episode 14 of the famed TV show Psych.
00:00:40
Speaker
Truer lies. Yeah. like this I love this episode. It's so good. It is so good. It's so much fun.
00:00:51
Speaker
It is a lot of fun. Like the the silliness is, you know, up in the air just constantly. Lots of silly. Yeah. Lots of puns and references, but also that like deep character work we also love. Yeah, it's just great all around.
Exploring Sean's Character and Truth
00:01:10
Speaker
Yeah, it's a really fascinating episode for Sean. And I really you know want to spend some time thinking about Sean as a liar.
00:01:22
Speaker
i think we have to. yeah Just like really get into it. um And another thing that I was thinking about with Sean in this episode is the idea of like Sean and his, Sean and pride.
00:01:37
Speaker
um Because we like we talk a lot about like Sean as like a showboat. Yes. He likes attention. But it's also really interesting how how he is willing to look like a fool hu for a long time, you know? like Yeah.
00:01:54
Speaker
like it
00:01:59
Speaker
For the kind of person he is, like, all of these qualities that he has and, like, this very childlike quality, like, I feel like he would think that he would be very, like, need instant gratification, you know?
00:02:12
Speaker
Like, would need things to pay off immediately. But he really... doesn't seem to like he is willing to be to appear wrong and foolish for as long as it takes really and is so committed to what he thinks is true yes and it's also interesting to think about like why he thinks this is true like why he's so sure there's just there's just a lot there's so much i know
00:02:45
Speaker
Yeah, and that one's, that's really tough, too, to consider, like, because Sean is so much about the truth. We've talked about this a lot.
Introducing Lion Ryan and His Lying Habit
00:02:55
Speaker
But how he determines that his truth is the right truth is kind of hard to determine, right? Because, so in this episode, we meet a, was say chronic liar. What's the, what's the terminology?
00:03:11
Speaker
Compulsive liar? Compulsive. Thank you. yeah Yeah, ah a compulsive liar. His name is Ryan. He's affectionately known as Lion Ryan. and Not so affectionately. Well, yeah.
00:03:22
Speaker
I will affectionately call him Lion Ryan. And... you know, hes he's kind of known in the station as calling in like false tips and but him believing that he's right, I suppose, in saying certain things to the police when in reality we know that he's just a compulsive liar, right? and he That's really interesting too. Like, I don't know what he, what his point of view is, Ryan.
00:03:46
Speaker
You know, like Sean has that moment where like, he's like, even Batman when he's with her
00:03:55
Speaker
Alfred. Alfred. I've watched like a million Batman's and yet I can't do it. But when he's with Alfred in the Batcave, he takes off the mask. like yeah Like, Sean tries to get him to be straight with him and Ryan is like incapable of that. and And i think, i mean, the way it is a compulsion, like it seems to be more of a,
00:04:18
Speaker
don't know mental illness, but like a, like a actual, you know, something, what do you call that? Something clinical.
00:04:30
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Something he's, he's legitimately having to deal with. He's not putting on face or anything. Yeah. It's like, I don't know that he is,
00:04:39
Speaker
lying in the way that he is aware of lying or that he even knows what the truth is or like or is like saying what he's saying with consciousness about what is true and in it versus exaggerated you know i don't know yeah well and i think that exaggerated part is is important because i mean at one point in the episode they talk about how part of it is an attention-seeking behavior but You have to, in seeking attention, constantly up the ante and up the ante and up the ante so that people keep paying attention to you to the point where, like, you're now making, you know, these outlandish claims.
00:05:16
Speaker
But even in him telling Lassie what happened, he's technically telling the truth. Like, Sean uncovers that each of the things that he said makes sense in what Ryan experienced.
00:05:30
Speaker
But because he had to constantly up the ante, they have to be like a heightened extreme version
Comparing Sean and Ryan's Approach to Lying
00:05:36
Speaker
of whatever it is. So even when he's telling the truth, he's still kind of lying because he can't separate himself from it.
00:05:43
Speaker
And I'm sure that's hard In the case of Sean, which, you know, Sean i identifies, doesn't want to identify himself with Ryan throughout the episode.
00:05:57
Speaker
But that is something Sean can do very well. Sean can go, now it's time to goof. And then, okay, serious for a moment. Like, I'm going to be goofy with Gus, but like, this is the real me. I'm not lying. I'm not a psychic right now. Boom.
00:06:10
Speaker
and Yeah. And it's very like, it's very conscious, very intentional. Yes. So I'm sure in that in that interaction with him and Ryan, him saying that is almost like a projection. Like, I right yeah i know I can separate.
00:06:25
Speaker
Just separate for me. Like, just be a real person. But like you said, maybe Ryan really can't do that. Maybe this is just kind of who he is. Yeah, that's really interesting. Like, as in a way, like, he's really met his match because there is, they do have these similarities, but you're right. It's like, this guy is really not the same as Sean, but Sean, like, you know, we don't usually, I feel like we don't, we wouldn't necessarily think of Sean as someone who would project him.
00:06:53
Speaker
on someone you know like he's very launch like he's very perceptive and reads people and so it's like for him to even like to not read ryan to the extent that he thinks ryan and right that could be able to separate and and just you know be straight for a second is sort of shone out of his depth huh yeah well and i think that speaks to what you said before about it may be being clinical. Like, Sean is not a mental health professional.
00:07:25
Speaker
Like, he's very good at at reading people, and then he'd probably make, you know, an interesting therapist for some people, but he, at the end of the day, like... That's really interesting to think about. Right? But he doesn't have the ability to understand...
00:07:42
Speaker
Like the the symptomology, I suppose, like the symptoms of certain certain presentations and and what that would mean and how to manage or or deal with that. you know, I think we only very lightly ever touch any clinical. um But until this point, yeah, Ryan's probably the the most yeah intense case.
00:08:01
Speaker
So I think part of it is that. like he he Yeah. doesn't maybe have the same exact psychology as people that sean is used to interacting with so he is kind of out of his depth yeah in that sense yeah he also has that moment where he says like i'm starting to see how ryan's lies work uh-huh yeah which even like to him if that were him like it would be a conscious decision to lie like that.
00:08:31
Speaker
Right. To pepper in. and And we kind of see him do that, you know, like when he has visions or something, you know, and it's like he's talking around what he's trying to say, but ultimately he also saying what he's trying to say, which is kind of what Ryan is doing too.
00:08:44
Speaker
but But Ryan isn't doing it. on purpose like ryan isn't thinking about i'm gonna
Moral Implications of Sean's Lies
00:08:50
Speaker
say like that i was making a marinade because i did because that was a detail you know right cinnamon lemon marinade because that's what i heard that guy say like i don't think he's going through all that he's it's just like the way his mind works man after yeah years and years of like you know whatever needing this attention getting it in this way um So, yeah, but Sean recognizes a pattern that for him would be intentional.
00:09:23
Speaker
Yes.
00:09:25
Speaker
Well, yeah.
00:09:29
Speaker
Okay. This is so interesting now. So you brought up the point of like discussing Sean being a liar and how much Sean is a liar. And up until this point, I would have said like ryan is a liar like he totally he's lying ryan right but now i'm kind of like is sean more of a liar than ryan's a liar because lying is conscious yeah exactly lying you have to intentionally decide to to deceive in a way yeah and i'm thinking good about don quixote oh my don't because ryan lives
00:10:08
Speaker
in a reality where this is what has happened. and He's telling a story. But I mean, he also does things like we also see him put on a lab coat or a doctor's coat or whatever and pretend to be a doctor. And so, I mean, i don't know.
00:10:27
Speaker
I don't know. I'm also not a psychologist. like Yeah, me neither. I also can't like yeah diagnose him or anything or like yeah no no no think about how how he's like moving through those spaces. I mean,
00:10:44
Speaker
Yeah. yeah I don't know how that fits into like the paradigm we just established of it. Maybe not being super conscious because he would have to like just in a way to decide to do that unless – Yeah. I do think though – skipping ahead again. Do it.
00:10:59
Speaker
um Like, at the end, when he rescues... rescues ah our potential victim yes he is wearing that coat so i wonder if it was just like you know he was like working toward as as sean might right yeah building a like a cover so that he could sneak him out later you know like maybe he was thinking more in the context of like unraveling this plot um so yeah
00:11:30
Speaker
I don't know. But yeah, Sean has a liar. Another thing that, another like moment that was really interesting I felt was when we first meet Ryan and Jules explains who this person is. And like clearly nobody has any patience for Ryan. Yeah, clearly. Extremely frustrated. Yes.
00:11:49
Speaker
Just by him being around and and maybe a little tickled that he actually committed a crime and they're to be able to like, write you know, so not tickled, but like, yeah, like. You know, I think she's, I think they have a ah sense of like, finally, they get to do something about this guy. Right. right um Who's been driving them crazy for long time.
00:12:12
Speaker
um And. the way the conversation that she has with Sean and Gus, like Sean is like, well, everybody bends the truth a little. And she's like, not me and stuff. But like, you see Sean talk about how, like, he's just more comfortable with flying.
00:12:31
Speaker
And, and he maybe doesn't realize that, and you know, not everybody does that. Right. Right. And, Yes, I think it's interesting too because the you know when we get into the flashbacks, it it does almost seem like this is just kind of a part of his personality.
00:12:52
Speaker
Like he's okay with... bending the truth, if you will. He's okay with doing certain things to to get to the ends that he's looking for. Yeah, and other people aren't. Like, Jules is not okay with that. Lassie is not okay with that. Gus is, like, in the middle, depending on the situation. um Yeah. yeah i wonder if I wonder if it's ever really occurred to Sean that, like, lying to that scale or bending the truth to that scale is not typical for people.
00:13:24
Speaker
Yeah, because he does like, you know, thinking about like everybody bends the truth a little. That could be, you know, the partner names like this is my partner. i can't come up with one.
00:13:37
Speaker
but and we we We had a good one this time. This is my partner. hollaback at you. Right. that is uh that's a lie yeah but it's like ah game like ah he's having fun it's like a joke yeah yeah and he lives his whole life like that right and then there's also him perpetrating a fraud of yep tending to be a psychic right and using that to gain certain access and stuff like he is
00:14:10
Speaker
he does both. And i i mean, he must have a sense of like, this, the, the scale of like,
00:14:24
Speaker
you know, like like a partner name kind of lie or just jokes or whatever to like the big lie that he lives in. um And then like in between all those or in between those is, you know, things like we have also seen him put on a doctor's coat and pretend to be a doctor. Yeah. Like we've seen him do all kinds of things.
00:14:49
Speaker
Yeah. And i I wonder for him, like, In most cases, does can can he justify it to himself? Like, does he think, well, it's really not a lie if it's a joke or it's really not a lie if I can do something that other people can't do? Or it's like not a lie.
00:15:08
Speaker
You know what i mean? Because I could see him saying like, oh, yeah, the the partner names, while technically speaking, a lie. It's like, ha ha, funny, but they're going to hear me call him Gus. So they know that like, it's a bit. Yeah, exactly. And like the the whole psychic thing, like, no, I'm not technically psychic, but like, I'm doing something. I have an ability that other people don't have and you can't really explain it. So therefore it's like a half lie, but like not a real lie. Like, I wonder if Sean...
00:15:36
Speaker
I think deep down he identifies himself as a liar, but I wonder if like on the surface he would be like, yeah, I lie constantly. Or would he be like, yeah, no, it's like, I'm not. I mean, i think.
00:15:49
Speaker
and
00:15:52
Speaker
Yeah, like if he really had to. like if he was really gonna be honest about what he thinks about that habit, I think he would admit to being a liar. And I feel like that's why this case is so triggering for him because he knows that that's how he operates.
00:16:10
Speaker
Yeah, sure. and like, and he does know that and he knows he's like like lies all the time. um But I also feel like, he has ah ah real sense of like the greater good where like, which I think we've talked about a bit.
00:16:26
Speaker
Yes. I don't remember when, but the idea of like those lies serving, you know, like with Ryan, you know,
00:16:37
Speaker
I mean, yeah i don't know that he he doesn't really do a lot of lying in this episode, but like he is going to save ah an innocent person from going to jail for a crime that they didn't commit and potentially save a person who may very well be in danger if Ryan is telling the truth because Ryan seems to think there's and assassins afoot.
00:17:01
Speaker
Yes. So it's like... I mean, we see that we see that in a lot of his cases. like and And also, like, the greater good may also just be, like, the truth sometimes where he's so sure of something.
00:17:17
Speaker
And if he it bends the truth or breaks the rules to make that come to light, I feel like he just sees that as justified. Mm-hmm.
00:17:32
Speaker
So this makes me wonder... In the world of truths, are there more important truths than other truths?
00:17:46
Speaker
Because i think some people would say, some would say yes and some would say no. Like I think... Sean would say yes, the the capital T truth would be finding the murderer or finding a way to save a victim or or whatever it might be. And my little lie about whatever, whatever is isn't as impactful.
00:18:07
Speaker
But then I think if you ask Juliet, hu she would be like, nope, they're all the same. You're lying to me. And that's that's a problem, right? I don't care if you lied save all of these people and solve all of these murders. You still lied in the process.
00:18:22
Speaker
who up I don't know how I necessarily feel about that. Do the ends justify the means? I mean, it's a huge philosophical question. Like, are there any noble
Impact of Sean's Lies on Relationships
00:18:30
Speaker
lies? Are there any, yeah um like, his you know, honesty is the best policy. We have a lot of, like, aphorisms about honesty. We try to teach children about honesty. Yeah.
00:18:45
Speaker
But I feel like people, you know, in general do lie sometimes. Yeah. Tell a white lie. Bend the truth, as Sean said. But yeah, Jules is very much like not about that. And she says that.
00:18:59
Speaker
um Within all of that lie telling and fibbing and bending the truth and stuff, what I feel like is really... what is really the root of what makes it okay or what makes it and justified is like it's about trust and like especially in a relationship which Jules and Sean have a relationship even if you know it's not romantic at this time yeah um and
00:19:32
Speaker
it's built on a lie. She thinks he's one thing that he is not. I mean, and I do think that he would say he's not a psychic, you know, because he doesn't believe in them and stuff. Yeah. us, he's a little bit of a psychic.
00:19:46
Speaker
A little bit. But so, like, to him, it's a big lie, and... And, i mean, going back to, like, when was when it became, when he became Sean the psychic, it was just like any other lie he tells, where he was in a situation where...
00:20:07
Speaker
The truth was not serving him. They did not believe him. Right. And so he had to tell a lie to get out of it. So he didn't go to jail for something that like he honestly is just hyper observant and had a lot like was providing them insights.
00:20:22
Speaker
um And so that lie was more convenient to everybody else looking at this situation and the truth. But this relationship that he has with all of these people is predicated on this lie. Right.
00:20:35
Speaker
Right. When think about Gus, he likes to Gus all the time. And we've talked about their trust issues. Yes, yes, that's true. However, to your point... The thing that brought them together as kids, at least as far as we know, ah was theoretically not lies, right? It was some similarity in personality. have a things Right. And then the lies all kind of came after that. But to your point here, everything starts on the lie of him being a psychic. So when that truth eventually comes out to some people, yeah, it kind of topples the rest of the ah trust pyramid, if you will.
00:21:16
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, that would that would be huge. Like, even if, I mean, maybe if she had found out something smaller. Mm-hmm. um which she probably has. I mean, I can't say like, you know, he's ah ridiculous person. He lies constantly. Like, right.
00:21:34
Speaker
She probably has been told something that she learns later is not true, but it's like, it's, it's small and it's, you know, she can maybe forgive that because she knows him or she thinks she does. And then, but when the big lie is revealed, it's like, does she even know him at all? Do they have a foundation?
00:21:51
Speaker
Right. That call, it calls everything into question. If this initial, yeah, peace isn't even true.
00:21:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:02
Speaker
ah did ok So, okay. So now question.
00:22:07
Speaker
You know, joe this is ah totally not this episode, but now I'm just wondering. You know, it it hits Jules really hard when she finds out that John is not actually a psychic.
00:22:18
Speaker
Because, again, it's all predicated on their entire relationship is predicated on a lie. And he's had ample amount of time to essentially confess to her. And he has repeatedly and repeatedly chose not to. Yeah, they're already dating.
00:22:29
Speaker
Right, exactly. very serious. Yeah, and and it's not as if he told her. Like, she figured it out. Like, she she found evidence of it. And then that required him to. Right. so Exactly.
00:22:41
Speaker
So we have other we have others in this situation. series whose relationships with Sean are also predicated on the lie. However, the reaction is very different.
00:22:52
Speaker
and So for example, Lassie, who we never actually see his lack of psychicness be admitted to because he turns off the, you know, the thing at the end, but, um,
00:23:06
Speaker
But in knowing even that that's what's going to be stated, I know. What moment. I know. I know. I did just kind of glance over it like whatever. so butll We'll get there. We'll talk about it when we get there.
00:23:17
Speaker
um In finding it out, like he didn't seem upset. he seems very like, all right. Like I always kind of knew.
00:23:29
Speaker
I mean, it's it's interesting because it's kind of the same – question it's like what is well just kind of like what does that mean to that person but like he makes a choice that it doesn't matter to him kind of you know by turning it off it's like he by turning it off before sean says it we get the sense that he knows Right.
00:23:52
Speaker
Really, he's always been skeptical. So maybe it was like not even a question. He's been astounded by Sean. Right. He's come to terms with the fact that Sean's liar.
00:24:03
Speaker
Yeah. And so maybe that's you know part of the relationship that they have is that he knows that about Sean and hill he accepts that about Sean. I see.
00:24:14
Speaker
So, yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. Lassie has accepted Sean as a liar because he is, however he gets the information, getting job. But Jules genuinely believed that Sean was doing something else.
00:24:32
Speaker
She didn't realize that lying was involved in it at all. So the the two interpretations of Sean are very different and therefore the reaction is very different. Yeah, that makes sense. I get that.
00:24:44
Speaker
Yeah, which is, i mean, it is it's kind of tragic because it is, it's like they have a very intimate relationship and she must feel like she doesn't know him at all. I cannot even imagine.
00:24:58
Speaker
Yeah, must be like world crumbling. Yeah. Especially because, I mean, it seems like once they're finally in a relationship together, like, things are going real well. Like, they're really enjoying being in a relationship together.
00:25:12
Speaker
And then, yeah, for the, you said the foundation to just be, i I'd be like, I don't even know you. No idea who you are. Get away from me. Goodbye. Yeah. And she kind of has to reconcile, like, that the person that she did know, like, the person she thought he was is who he is. Mm-hmm.
00:25:32
Speaker
But some of the details were not what she thought. Right. um Which is kind of how he, you know, his drew like his dream for how she would react would just be like, you're just a really good detective.
00:25:47
Speaker
You know? Right. Which is not how she does react, but... Right. Yeah. It's a big episode. Wow. And if we think about...
00:26:01
Speaker
you know, do talk about the episode.
Sean's Childhood and Lessons on Lying
00:26:03
Speaker
Yeah. The flashback. Yes. 30 minutes in that's par for us. Um, little Sean is home from school, chilling at the kitchen table.
00:26:17
Speaker
And Henry seems to be home on like a ah break or something. Yeah. And he thinks, know, he starts like, he hears something and starts kind of and he's in his uniform. Uh,
00:26:28
Speaker
Which, as he always is, I think. Very good point. How did think about it? I don't know that Henry has another costume.
00:26:38
Speaker
That's how we know it's young Henry, that and the hair. um But he's kind of like sneaking around like as if somebody might be there. And then he realizes it's Sean and he's like, why aren't you in school?
00:26:51
Speaker
And young Sean tells this outlandish story about
00:26:59
Speaker
an assembly and I forget all the details. so like People were hypnotized. Yeah. Hypnotized and but I literally have blah, blah, blah here. animal I know, right? I feel like I should zone out.
00:27:13
Speaker
Yeah. Teacher was a Navy SEAL. Yeah. And did something. um Yeah. And again And Henry calls him on the fact that this is a lie. or Well, actually, what he says is, let me see the suspension notice.
00:27:26
Speaker
who So he knows right away, doesn't even ask. um Yeah. And they kind of go back and forth about lying and And we learn that every lie has a kernel of truth, um which is important.
00:27:43
Speaker
and um And Henry also informs him that if he keeps lying like this, nobody's going to believe him when it counts. Yes. And I feel like that also speaks to the idea of lies and honesty being about trust.
00:28:02
Speaker
Because like you know when you think of Ryan... His relationship with the police department is that he has lied to them many, many times and wasted their time and stuff like that. And so now they have no trust in him. They like they have no reason to give him any benefit, the doubt.
00:28:25
Speaker
So he's going to go to jail.
00:28:30
Speaker
So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love, there's so much about this flashback that I love. I love, of course we get the Henry-isms.
00:28:42
Speaker
So many of the good Henry-isms. I also like that we find out Henry is known as the human lie detector. I love the callback to that later. So. Yes, me Yeah. So good. Well, and I think too, it, it helps us to understand like maybe Sean's ability to read people too. If Henry is so good at reading him again, maybe he's like genetically predisposed to being able to read other people, but maybe Henry also teaches Sean a little bit of that, like human perceptiveness too, not just the like, you know, surrounding.
00:29:14
Speaker
um mean, later in another iconic episode, we see in flashbacks, Henry teach Sean to be a lie detector. Oh, yes.
00:29:26
Speaker
I do love that. That is a really great one. And I love the way that that's revealed, too, in that episode. Yes. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. great I mean, stakes so high. Yeah. um But.
00:29:40
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's another example of like Henry. i mean, there's there's also this moment in the flashback where. Like when he says, oh. Like nobody's going to believe you when it counts. And I think he says, and your life could be on the line or something.
00:29:56
Speaker
And Sean's like, like when I become a cop and I feel like he's trying to butter him up. Yeah. He's like, you're not mad at me, right?
00:30:09
Speaker
i'm um well But it is interesting that Henry's teaching him this lesson, but at the same time teaching him over the course of years, teaching him tools to Be a very successful liar.
00:30:23
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. With, well, also still, and and Henry brings this up later when they're actually in the episode itself, but he teaches him how to but be a good liar, but within the boundaries, within the confines of like people calling him on it when it's not the right time to be lying.
00:30:42
Speaker
So. Right. He does say that. Right. Yeah. You're you're coming home from. Call him on it. Exactly. Yeah. You're, you're coming home early from school. Because you got suspended. Like, you can't lie to me about that.
00:30:53
Speaker
Like, you're suspended from school. There's consequences for your actions. But, like, Gus made the chocolate chip cookies and, like, you didn't make them. Like, I'm still going to call you on it, but it's not as big of a deal, you know? So he does have that boundary set maybe a little bit more firmly than than Ryan does, which is why Ryan seems to just run with all of the lies that he possibly could.
00:31:13
Speaker
Yeah. And in that moment, Henry tells Sean he is not Ryan because because you're right. He's been taught like how to use lying sort of as a tool when yeah see when it's not. yeah um Which is interesting thinking about Henry as you know more like Jules and Lassie. like That's his background.
00:31:38
Speaker
Rules. Laws. um um And yet part of the lessons and even now he's right fairly comfortable with yeah sean's lifestyle yeah um and pretty quick really yeah yeah like i think and i mean that kind of like thinking about the lie detector episode he i think in that in those scenes he's telling sean like there may come a time where you have to beat a lie detector because someone
00:32:09
Speaker
You're under duress. You're under. Oh, I think he says you're undercover. so Yes. Henry has. I think Henry also has an idea of a greater good and has sort of instilled that in Sean, too. So it's like it's not just that Sean is like this way. That's also part of the learned behaviors.
00:32:27
Speaker
Yeah. Training. Yeah. I mean, yes. You can play with the you can bend the truth. You can like go outside the lines if it serves back to this whole but great yeah I mean I feel like one of our one of our theses of this project is that everything in life is like far more gray than maybe we talk about enough and I feel like this is one of those things like you cannot always be honest you cannot always lie like there is there has to be a middle ground and maybe that middle ground is for the common good or with something else
00:33:08
Speaker
in mind because sometimes you know telling the truth point blank is not socially acceptable not going to be helpful to others is going to hurt you in the process like where yeah where is that boundary and do those boundaries shift i think we start to see with henry like oh there there are allowed to be shifting or ah growing or shrinking of boundaries depending yeah on the situation and now I'm thinking about the undercover thing, like thinking about Jules when she's undercover, how that part of her thing is that she goes too far. I wonder if it's that that's because in her real life she keeps herself in such a box.
00:33:46
Speaker
Yeah, could be. She's so inside the lines and like can't entertain any kind of bending yeah when she kind of is given that freedom to be somebody else she like goes a little nuts yeah i mean i think that would make sense yeah she's like getting out all of her lying and all of you know everything else while she can because in her real life she is very strict to those to those boundaries that she set for herself yeah and i mean that they can be kind of good for each other in that way because i mean like sean and gus are good for each other right yeah like
00:34:23
Speaker
You know, because Sean obviously doesn't make all the right decisions. No. Maybe Jules needs to loosen up a little bit. so yeah but Yeah. Yeah, and I i think Jules,
00:34:38
Speaker
I think Sean is very healthy for Jules and Jules' understanding of other people.
Juliet's Honesty vs. Sean's Deception
00:34:44
Speaker
I think a lot of her rigidity comes from the fact that her dad was a liar and a con man.
00:34:51
Speaker
So she's like, I'm not going to be like that. I'm not going to entertain people in my life being like that. But even with him being a liar and a con man, he is not that black and white of a person, right? He is also gray. He also can be someone who loved his daughter and was trying to do what was best, but like didn't, you know, whatever, whatever.
00:35:13
Speaker
So it can be. it it can be great it's allowed to be great and i think maybe sean helps or can help juliette to figure that out for more than just herself and sean yeah but it also like you know because even when her dad is you know appears to be trying to make amends and stuff he he still fails her in in ways and so it's like when she finds out about Sean and the gut reaction probably is like, oh my God, I'm dating my father. Yeah.
00:35:49
Speaker
yeah Well, yep. Con man. Like, yeah, they operate very differently as con men. Like, yes. Yes. And they use cons very differently because Sean is ultimately, you know, trying to serve some greater good. I do think like,
00:36:07
Speaker
Jules' dad seems to be trying to serve himself. um Yes, yes. And so they are very different even though they do like part of their arsenal is lies.
00:36:21
Speaker
but Yeah.
00:36:24
Speaker
So. Yeah. I think whis with maybe some further and understanding of like Sean and the nuance of Sean, it could open her up h to maybe maybe being a little bit more willing To think about or or, you know, forgive her dad. Maybe not be accepting of him, but maybe just be like, okay, you made some big mistakes, but you're my dad.
00:36:50
Speaker
I forgive you. We'll move on. You know? Yeah. Just kind of like,
00:36:57
Speaker
yeah, just like have less anger. Yes. Yeah. Maybe that's a better way to put it. And then the first scene after the flashback. Yay! First scene.
00:37:11
Speaker
little sequence is just so great. So fun. Yeah. So random. I love how i don't the music coming into this moment of Sean preparing to take his putt is very like
00:37:29
Speaker
suspenseful like scary it feels like it'd be in a Yang episode it feels like this is a very serious moment yes whatever's happening right now is we all must focus and concentrate and then we figure out it's fake golfing in the middle of the office yeah and John makes an argument for why it's so serious like it's so much harder to guide a ball through the riffraff of the whatever he says you know that's yeah human bustle because that's not amused no it's like why can't you just put in our office they're in the middle the police station do we say that the middle of the police station like the main hallway just taking up space essentially yeah the actual hole and like
00:38:17
Speaker
yes like sort of green. Putting green, yeah. Yeah, I mean, but it's just like a strip, but I guess it was like a little practice putter thing. Yeah. it's literally in like the foyer.
00:38:29
Speaker
Yes. Right where everybody walks. Like they did not try and make this convenient for anybody. Sean went, and here is a good spot. Walked away. But he does. He hits the golf ball and he wants to make, you know, oh, i wait, I loved the comment.
00:38:48
Speaker
About the 30 foot bullseye. This is so much better than at least when you tried to do it with darts. It was a 30 foot bullseye, Gus. No, you hit a guy's eye. And I was like, oh my God. Could you even imagine? I can't imagine. I mean, there's no there's no um like pain receptors in your eyeball. so you wouldn't be able to feel it.
00:39:07
Speaker
But still, it seems gross. Yeah, I don't i don't want that. That be crazy. and So then he hits the ball. And it is pretty miraculous how long this ball and goes throughout the station. Again, maybe a question as to, is Sean really psychic? Yeah.
00:39:22
Speaker
Exactly. I mean, perfect timing. And it gets, I mean, inches from the
Sean's Instincts vs. Police Certainty
00:39:29
Speaker
hole. And it's going off like doors just opening people's foot as they walk Carts.
00:39:37
Speaker
It is miraculous as you It is really nice, yeah. And then Lassie and Jules come in with none other than Lion Ryan trying to bring him Seems like maybe down to the cells, down to the holding cells.
00:39:51
Speaker
think you're taking him to interrogation because that's where we go oh right after this. Okay, fair. That makes more sense. Yeah. Down to interrogation. And sadly, well, I guess not even sadly, understandably. Yeah.
00:40:05
Speaker
um Right past the green and Lassie ends up kicking the ball out of the way because again, it's right in the foyer. It's like foot from the hole after this incredible journey.
00:40:16
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it was really quite impressive. I also love that as um annoyed as Gus was, he is just as invested. alive.
00:40:29
Speaker
We're in it. Like sneaking but behind John, walking around people. Yeah. Very cute. And very impressive. Like I would also have been like, oh my God, it's still alive. It's hard not to root for that.
00:40:40
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:44
Speaker
Yeah, and Jules and Lassie are already pissed because they're dealing with Lion Ryan. Ryan is covered in blood on his hands. I mean, like, soaked ah soaked through, just on his hands. And he is trying to explain to them how he did not murder his super.
00:41:03
Speaker
The super of his apartment was found, or the super of his, I'm assuming, apartment building was found inside his apartment dead. Blood everywhere. Like stabbed to death. um And they come and they find Ryan there with the super. So they arrest him for murder. But Ryan's trying to say that it was not him. And he's saying some outlandish things as to why it's not him. And, of course, no one is believing him because he's a liar, liar, pants on fire. Classic boy who cried wolf and scenario. yeah Absolutely. There you go. Another lesson about lying.
00:41:33
Speaker
That's true, yes. yeah Wow, we do have a lot of them, huh? so Lassie brings Ryan down to the interrogation room and Sean and Jules and Gus discuss essentially what has just taken place in front of them, which includes a couple of very interesting little bits like Sean pretending to be Jules.
00:41:54
Speaker
She says, I was, Gus was never born so that I could be your partner. don't know how serious Gus is. Gus is like, what? And Julia's like, I never said that.
00:42:05
Speaker
that's Like, she's very messed up. Like, it's so funny that they're just, like, taking this.
00:42:13
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is kind of cute that that they all take it really seriously, though, even though they all also know that it's a joke. Like, Julia's like, I would never do do that to you, Gus. Never, never.
00:42:26
Speaker
Gus is like, I'm a gasp. But anyway, we figure out that where we realize we're just going to go down and see whatever's going on. Right. Maybe Sean can psychically read Ryan and figure out what's the truth and what's a lie. So they go down to the interrogation room where we are introduced to Dr. Moore, who is apparently a psychological expert.
00:42:48
Speaker
And Sean would like him to figure out if Gus is insane in the membrane. and not many people find that buddy. um I thought it was good. You know he's an ex expert because he's British.
00:43:01
Speaker
Of course. Yeah. He's very stuffy, professory. Yeah, he's wearing like a tan suit. I feel like that's, yeah. yeah And he doesn't get Sean at all.
00:43:11
Speaker
He's like, oh, no. Yeah, he really doesn't, huh? He doesn't know what to do with him. Well, that's fair. Yeah. Psychiatrist. You'd think you'd get a read on, Sean, but... You would think. very yeah bookish.
00:43:25
Speaker
I can't imagine that, you know... This is a pretty serious thing. go, I'm coming in to look at someone lying for a murder and then Sean walks in I would be like, you cut it out. We need to forget how serious it is because. yeah But you're right. It is a very serious moment. Yeah.
00:43:45
Speaker
So I'm sure this guy is like, who are you and why are you doing this right now? It's not necessary. Yeah. Yeah. and sean sean is being very silly like jules goes to hand the guy the case file or yes which i don't know why they have one already but oh that's a fair point yeah why or maybe it's ryan's file actually i think that's what that would make sense yeah because he calls him a lot he causes a lot of trouble so he has one honestly i bet after like the second or third one they're like we should start putting together something yeah like this is not this isn't good yeah
00:44:19
Speaker
Yeah. And Sean just takes it and is like, thank you. Like, not for you, but all right.
00:44:29
Speaker
And Vic is there, guess, because this is I mean, it's not I mean, murder is high profile, but we solve a murder every week. So it's not like super high profile for for them. But I guess Ryan being the one is maybe a little bit more concerning to the station again, because Ryan calls in all the time. So Vic is there along with the psychiatrist and Sean and Gus and Juliet.
00:44:50
Speaker
Ryan and Lassie are both in the interrogation room right now. And we are watching to see how the interaction plays out. Which
00:45:02
Speaker
is just frustration for Lassiter. Like... poor guy. I feel like he's even more frustrated with Ryan than he is with Sean. And it kind of calls back to that whole Sean being like, be real with me.
00:45:14
Speaker
Like, Sean knows when, okay, that the joking is over. like we kind of have to be serious right now. And like lion Lion Ryan just can't, yeah, he can't seem to he can't do that as we were talking about.
00:45:28
Speaker
So like to the point that we were just being like, what a serious moment it is. You would think somebody in that situation would get real for a minute, you know, like this is, you are in yeah very precarious situation.
00:45:44
Speaker
um But yeah, he's really not, he's just the same as he always he is. Yeah.
00:45:51
Speaker
Like, it's so not funny. Like again, the the situation is not funny, but it's like, How bizarre. How bizarre. like so to To really and have that conversation. Yeah, it's really funny to watch. like I love watching Sean and Gus because we like cut between, as you're saying, the interview that Lassie is doing and everybody in the observation room. And Sean and Gus are just like...
00:46:16
Speaker
kind of squinting and like like really trying to follow what ryan is saying and i feel like sort of like us with young sean and his story like everybody else is like not even listening basically they're just like not processing any of it because they are like it's gobbledygook but it is sean seems to which maybe is the lesson of every lie as a kernel of truth but he seems to have like the he is paying attention from the beginning. Like he is listening and trying to follow it and make sense of it from the jump, which is kind of interesting. Cause even like in this moment, like after watching all this, he kind of says, Ryan is innocent, and but he really, he doesn't have anything to back that up yet.
00:47:04
Speaker
No. well Which I think just calls back to the whole, like, maybe Sean is a little bit psychic. Yeah, because he has no reason. I mean, unless it's just because he's, like, liar, recognized liar, like, let me have it back here.
00:47:18
Speaker
I mean, it could be. I do kind of feel like sometimes, too, like, you know how sometimes... in, I'm going to say real person world, like just normal human beings. Like sometimes something happens and you just are like, well, at least this is an experience that I have. I don't know. You you tell me if you have a similar experience.
00:47:34
Speaker
Sometimes things are like going on in the world and then I just have a feeling like something's going to happen. Like something feels or like I have a feeling like someone's not having a good day today, like in response to my students or something. I don't necessarily have anything to like back that, but I can just kind of tell, you know? Yeah. That's like whole gut intuition thing that we have talked about. like Exactly. And I feel like that that's kind of this. Like, ah you know, you could talk to certain people, right? Like certain psychologists or some certain researchers who would say that like it it is –
00:48:09
Speaker
Kind of like what Sean does, hyperperception of certain things, which your brain then unconsciously intuits as something or something else. Right. But I think for Sean, we're so used to seeing all of the things that we might process unconsciously, consciously processed, that something like this Him being like, I don't necessarily know why he's innocent yet, but he is. It's like a little harder to digest because we're so used to him seeing like all of the the evidence right in front of him.
00:48:40
Speaker
um But I wonder if it's kind of that. Like he heard something that he was like, boom Yeah. I mean, he sees him like look at – or we see him look at Ryan's hands and like the blood on them.
00:48:54
Speaker
And like – and maybe even just listening to Ryan talk. You know, Ryan doesn't sound – As like silly as the words coming out of his mouth are. He sounds very lucid. And his delivery is you so silly too. He does great performance again. Yes.
00:49:13
Speaker
um But yeah, it's like... And he doesn't sound like someone who just killed someone. sound scared. He doesn't sound... very trigger he doesn't yeah I mean, he more seems like he has he has sort of an urgent urgency about like the assassination plot.
00:49:38
Speaker
Right. Which even saying, it sounds silly, but... Yeah, does. But, right. yeah He's not focusing on the the fact that he just killed someone. You what it's like?
00:49:50
Speaker
It's like Lassie when they all think Lassie did it. Oh my gosh, you're right. And like, we need to start doing this and this and this and this and this. You're so right.
00:50:00
Speaker
Okay, so maybe Sean is intuiting it as that. Like, oh I knew it just then that Lassie was innocent, and I know it now. This guy's innocent. Yes.
00:50:11
Speaker
Oh, that's a great connection. You're so right. That's it's like literally that exact same thing. Yeah. Because he's just like, we got to get these guys, you know? Right. Right. And he tells, I mean, he tells his story of what happened. and And it is, as Kylie said, bonkers. Like he asked the super to unclog the garbage disposal because he clogged it with cinnamon sticks and lemon wedges.
Unraveling Ryan's Truths and Lies
00:50:32
Speaker
And by the time he got home, he's there's a bunch of other random details. the time he got home yeah the thing about his the way he talks it's like he includes a lot of details that are unnecessary completely yeah but at the same time it's like he makes them unnecessary because like the cinnamon sticks and lemon wedges like is a detail about the assassins but he makes it about the marinade that he was making that's how he caused like he just right Makes it all like bigger. And and maybe it's part of that whole, because what the psychiatrist says or whatever he was, um is that people like this lie to make themselves valuable and they continue to having to have to like escalate at the more people don't believe them.
00:51:20
Speaker
And so like maybe just like talking a bunch is part of that. Yeah, sure. who because it's attention when he's talking you know right everybody's listening to him so maybe just like talking a doggie talking around something is like part of but he gets out of it right and i can see in his mind too like Him pulling out, this is an important detail.
00:51:47
Speaker
Like the cinnamon sticks and the lemon wedges is an important detail. But if I say that it's tied to whatever, what this person drank, they're not going to take it seriously. If I say I was making a marinade, like that doesn't make sense to a normal person. But like maybe to him, he's like, okay, in this instance, if I place it here,
00:52:08
Speaker
this will make more sense or this will feel more impactful. And therefore, again, the lie kind of justified, I suppose, in making it something that they remember. um Because I could see that.
00:52:21
Speaker
You know, it's like a true, it's technically true, but it's also like not in the right spot and like doesn't really make sense. And yeah. Well, and that and that's the like the kernel of truth thing. Like there is in all things,
00:52:34
Speaker
sentences all of these things that he's saying there is a truth in there yes it's just like pieced together in a untrue weird way in a strange scrapbooky kind of way if you will whoa do you think that's the scrapbooking reference do you think that's why wonder because i just saw that i wrote it down all things being equal i'd rather be scrapbooking right now Kind of is.
00:52:58
Speaker
and kind of is He's doing a puzzle too. Like the put ah shredded papers yeah together. That's also another Lassie did a bad, bad thing. yes a Is this a parallel to Lassie did a bad, bad thing?
00:53:14
Speaker
And does that mean that there's like, you know, because to connect Ryan and Lassie is to connect Lassie and Sean in a way.
00:53:28
Speaker
intrigue i feel like we have kind of connected lassie and sean a little bit in the past like they are similar ah in certain respects in that they both like want the truth and they both kind of want like the ego and the notoriety that comes along with it but they go about it in very different ways yeah yeah it's interesting to think about like in lassie did a bad bad thing like lassie is not a liar in the way these other characters are. Like we wouldn't really characterize him as that. And no, so he doesn't have the, you know, the challenge that Ryan does where nobody believes him because he is not trustworthy, but nobody believes him because it doesn't look good.
00:54:12
Speaker
Well, and I think it's maybe not things he said, but it's things he's done. You're right. So, like, no one trusts him because how many times has he pulled his gun?
00:54:27
Speaker
Yeah, and actually there is a bit of things he's said. Like, because we we talked about that. Like, he is extreme. Like, he does say things that he's not going to do, which is a lie in a way. Right.
00:54:38
Speaker
yeah that yeah it's a very good point yes like he also speaks in an exaggerated way and so he does you're right if you take him at his word and at his i mean i guess mainly at his word then it would appear that he would be capable right of taking justice into his own hand and killing this guy um But again, Sean knew that that he wouldn't actually that.
00:55:07
Speaker
Sean doesn't know Ryan at all, but like, yeah, can like can still see him. I mean, he does see people pretty quickly. Yeah. So, I mean, is, yeah, just comfortable enough making that leap. But you're right. Wow. Lassie is a liar in his own way. little bit.
00:55:27
Speaker
Yeah. A bit of line. very different kind. But that's like, again, like what we were talking about, like the difference between like a bit and a line. Right. You know, like he kind of does bits a way. i mean yeah Yeah, he does. I mean, he is not being comedic on purpose. No. like oh Yeah. No, not on purpose, certainly. It's almost like a like an outlet for him, like yeah say something extreme. Mm-hmm.
00:55:57
Speaker
maybe the way that uh going undercover is an outlet for jewels like that's how he releases that tension of and we know he's not allowed to go undercover so yeah yeah that makes sense wow feel like we're really getting love it it's like real uh Cerebral.
00:56:21
Speaker
Cosmic brain kind of thing. Like, yeah. Like, whoa, man. a little meta. Yeah. And I'm very proud of us. Well, you're not quite done with work yet, but I'm done with work and my brain is not complete mush. so I know. i was thinking that because I think on the last one we talked about how we just we housing and We were like not making any sense.
00:56:43
Speaker
But did you hear my my silly out? My favorite thing now to do is add silly outros at the very end. I think that's really fun, too.
00:56:53
Speaker
It's my favorite. I'm just like, what are we put there next?
00:56:58
Speaker
Oh, this is also when we find out that Ryan says that there are assassins. Yeah. And um he found out about them while he was eating fries, cuatro quesos fritos, which is going to become a huge thing.
00:57:11
Speaker
ah We do not, sadly, have double fried fries today. who're not on top of it. and No. but It would take a lot of preparation to find One day we'll try.
00:57:22
Speaker
Yes. Possibly for the after show we discussed. We're going to do a little bit more research, maybe a couple more. tries i don't even know if there's a vegan version out there did you find a vegan version out there are you having to concoct something yourself I think I would have to concoct it okay very good um yeah it'll be interesting and I never have like even before I was vegan like didn't really care about cheese fries oh I love cheese fries so I've never and won't even have anything to compare it to but so it'll be interesting
00:57:58
Speaker
Yeah, cheesy thing. It's almost like, ah looking at it, it's like a baked potato. okay More like a baked potato. This is what I was going to say, because when when it's introduced, it is introduced as fries. Yeah.
00:58:12
Speaker
So like French fries that have been infused with cheese and then cheese put on top and then fried twice. So I'm always like anticipating it being like fries with cheese on it, but it is like
00:58:30
Speaker
I don't even know what to compare it to. It is like a ah fried ball of potato is what it looks like with cheese on the inside, like a croquette almost. Like a croquette, you know what i mean?
00:58:42
Speaker
um So it seems like there's like cheese and then maybe, yeah, baked potato or like but yeah boiled potato, something. Well, Sean said they batter it must parboil it first. They love how they're deconstructing this in their mind.
00:58:58
Speaker
I know. I loved in part that. It would be a flea for seizure. Yeah. I love like as we cut back and forth like and we get to the end of Ryan's story, which has gone on for a while yes after the fries, and Sean and Gus are like, it can't be.
00:59:14
Speaker
like That can't be true. And like you think like the assassin story, all that. They could never prepare fries like that. Yeah. They're like stuck on this detail. I mean, it is an important detail. And thank goodness that is something he's not lying about.
00:59:28
Speaker
They are legitimate. Yes. So the boys do actually end up getting them. Again, evidence that maybe he's, yeah you know, not just lying Ryan. um But yeah, so we'll have to give that shot. but and And then also the sour cream with it, like also adds like the baked potato element. Yes. And bacon, like that's all very like twice baked potato we heyo kind of.
00:59:48
Speaker
Yes. Even twice baked could come from twice baked. That's true. Like deconstructed baked potato in bite-sized fashion. Yeah. I mean, it does look like a potato. Like I think it's just a small potato that they stuff with cheese. Oh, is it?
01:00:04
Speaker
I always thought it was like... um
01:00:08
Speaker
Like they rolled it in like breadcrumbs or something. And then that's why it kind of looked like brown-y. Crunchy the other side. Well, think because I was looking up recipes. i saw one cut in half and it looked like a potato that they stuffed with cheese and then battered and fried and stuff.
01:00:25
Speaker
I mean, honestly, I don't care what it is. looks delicious. yeah I will eat it regardless. i and It'll be interesting. I tried to make, i mentioned, to you but i tried to make like a case a vegan queso because you talked about just having cheese fries that's like a you know half way substitute yeah um she yeah um But I, yeah, my blender is not strong enough. It was like grainy and weird.
01:00:53
Speaker
So, yeah, i also just, know, we're talking about vegan things. I have to issue a correction because I found out we were talking about Funyuns in a recent episode and I found out they are not vegan. They're not. They have buttermilk powder in them.
01:01:06
Speaker
Entry. For no reason.
01:01:09
Speaker
i guess can't have funions anymore but sad we're gonna have to find you vegan flavored vegan flavored we're gonna have to find you vegan onion flavored corn snacks because that's all funions are really yeah have to check like i also like um the hawaiian kettle chips like sweet maui onion those are those have anything Hmm. wouldn't think so, but now who knows? I know.
01:01:38
Speaker
i know. Yeah. So anyway.
01:01:43
Speaker
We'll do that sometime. Yes. But yeah, that there are a lot of recipes out there that people have. Well, I feel like, you know, we've we've talked a couple times now about how snacks are kind of endemic to the show. Like it's just a part of the boys always wanting to have snacks.
01:02:01
Speaker
um But this is a snack that comes back. Like they referenced the Quattro Cases Fritos a couple times throughout the series. So I feel like that might be part of it too. Like it, it's a recurring bit for them. Yeah.
01:02:13
Speaker
And also like, like we see it, like it's such a yes thing in this episode, even alone. Like, yeah, it's, it doesn't travel well. We see it at the table. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of it.
01:02:27
Speaker
um I mean, I feel like it is and I might be misremembering this, but when they decide to eventually make their food truck, I feel like they take the cuastro casas dos fritos as like a starting imagination. Yeah, I don't remember, but I could totally see how that would influence their Thanksgiving balls.
01:02:44
Speaker
Yes, right. So, yeah, it it feels and it feels very much like a psych snack yeah it's whimsical it's kind of silly it's kind of unnecessary very long name yeah yeah it's great well I'm glad that there's lots of recipes out there I'll definitely have to pick slash ah rearrange one I wonder like what if it was you know when they wrote the episode and introduced the fries I wonder if they had had anything like that or if it was pure invention ah
01:03:22
Speaker
Ooh, I wonder. That would be a great way if you had desire to have something like that, write it in there, and then production team is going to have to figure out a way to do it. Boom, it's made. Yeah.
01:03:35
Speaker
Honestly, I would not put it past... people on this show yeah to just be like, that sounds delicious. Let's do it. and Everyone just eats. We'll have to listen to the after show for this one. That's a good idea. Not the after show. The psychologists are in. know what you mean. Psychologists. yeah, yeah.
01:03:52
Speaker
I'm going to make a note of that. We're getting close to the after show, man. I know. We only have two more. It's crazy. And two big ones. I know. Heavy hitters.
01:04:05
Speaker
So, yeah, we get the whole story. Which is, in summary,
01:04:12
Speaker
Ryan witnessed a pair of assassins discussing ah hit that they are going to do. Yes. And I never quite understand. He mentions, like, because they ask, like, how do they they know that you heard them? And he says...
01:04:33
Speaker
I was asking around, putting up flyers. Flyers. And I never really got like, because you know, everything is sort of not quite the truth. Yeah. And so like, I don't know if he actually did. We also call back to that moment, but like without explanation. Yeah.
01:04:52
Speaker
So I don't know if he was actually. i wonder if it was just like a, you know, he starts asking people around the restaurant. Like, did you yeah hear what I hear?
01:05:03
Speaker
And then they start taking notice or, you know, something like that. Yeah. it's and And it was only the night before. So it's like it hasn't been so right long. I mean, I guess they could have just noticed him eavesdropping and it was simple as that.
01:05:17
Speaker
Yep. um But but yeah, so that's what he says. But um so these assassins.
01:05:26
Speaker
came to his home to kill him but his super was there again not sure what he was up to could have been unclogging the garbage disposal question mark and was in the wrong place at the really wrong time or whatever yeah poor guy um and gets murdered and then ryan found him and tried to save him that's why he's blood on his hands um so that's basically the story yes um in the most roundabout way
01:05:59
Speaker
yeah that he could have possibly accepted. Yes. Yeah. And then and then i think Vic asks our psychiatrist guy what do he thinks.
01:06:10
Speaker
And the guy's like, well, given the history and the circumstantial evidence, I think it should be enough to convict. And Sean says, well, that's too bad because Lion Ryan is telling the truth this time. Full title sequence.
01:06:27
Speaker
Yeah. I know. It's such a dramatic it is moment. It is And like the perfect thing to just go into a ah title sequence.
01:06:38
Speaker
Yeah. I love their little like Yeah, we have, I think we had the episode already where Gus, like, wants to be the one to say the dramatic thing. And he's trying.
01:06:50
Speaker
But it's so, like, Sean really does get these great lines. Yeah, he does. And they always, like, often lead right into the title sequence. Yeah. Yeah, they land really well, his lines.
01:07:01
Speaker
Yeah. And I don't know if that's just because he's, like, such a showman. He's able to just, like. Yeah, he sells it. Yeah, he does. don't know. Yeah. So after the title sequence, we decide to do some recon, which of course for the boys means we are going and looking for those cuatro quezos de spritus.
01:07:21
Speaker
So we find the place. They try to ask him where they, right? I think we missed that beat in the interrogation. Sean and Gus go in the room and Sean asks the name of the restaurant.
01:07:37
Speaker
And, uh,
01:07:40
Speaker
Yeah, just interrupts everything. But and then Ryan's like, ryan if it helps at all, I do think there are substitutions. Yeah, it's so funny. Because John is like, asks if he can substitute a garlic, ah lemon garlic aioli or something. Yes, yes.
01:07:58
Speaker
So no and they don't learn the restaurant, but they find it. Yeah. it and They I'm actually I'm just rereading now. They actually then go back to the office. And this is when Sean imparts Henry's wisdom to Gus, saying that every liar's lie is rooted in a kernel of truth.
01:08:15
Speaker
And I thought this whole thing was so silly. Gus is doing the dishes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We did miss that moment. All um sorts of areas of the office, like inside of drawers, underneath stuff. Oh, I think I missed this.
01:08:30
Speaker
I was like, what? He's like got spoons and spatulas. And I was like, what are you guys doing here? my Who knows? ah So, yeah, Gus is doing doing the dishes. They're trying to clean up, I guess. And then then they talk about the cheese-infused twice-battered fries. And then that's when they decide to go their, I guess, midday snack.
01:08:53
Speaker
Yeah. So Gus is already expressing a lot of skepticism um ah just about this man. and um Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:04
Speaker
and Oh, and he's like, you're going to go up against the police department and the DA. um Like, are you just trying to show them up and stuff? Like, he really doesn't get why, Sean, which what we were just saying, like, why why is he so sure?
01:09:17
Speaker
um And there's an interesting, like, thread in this episode, too. about sean and gus's relationship and to what extent gus is able to trust him um and trust his gut yep because like i love at the end when he says when sean tells him like i get that i have What does he say?
01:09:45
Speaker
um I've maxed you out in the blind faith department. Yes. and you know like And he gets that. But just keep believing in me. It's like so cute.
01:09:58
Speaker
um But that is a big part of this episode. Like Gus doesn't get it. But he has to trust Sean enough to go with it. um And we see that waiver. Yes.
01:10:10
Speaker
But yeah. And to be fair, i again, we've said this many a time before, but I mean, Sean has given Gus plenty of reasons to not yes go along blindly with him. But Gus has also shown us time and time again that he is kind of willing to go along blindly with Sean and follow the bits and wait until he proves himself just as long as he does prove himself at the end.
01:10:34
Speaker
So... yeah Yeah. And like we were talking about like how Jules and Gus have like a similar dynamic with Sean in that they're both kind of more straight laced and then Sean pushes them.
01:10:45
Speaker
um Maybe Gus is at a point in his relationship with Sean where he is like – appreciates that about him and appreciates what Sean does for him in that way like pushing him into things that he couldn't or wouldn't necessarily go after himself or get to enjoy and experience himself yeah um but Jules is not there yet um
01:11:10
Speaker
yeah we also get in this exchange the thing about Sean's pride because I think Gus asked something about like if he's too proud to admit he's wrong about this or something like that and it's like i got these jeans at a garage garage sale a garage pride is not an issue i know i love that and it's interesting too because i think like in many ways yeah sean does not care
01:11:47
Speaker
But I also think if someone came up to him and told him like dead ass you're wrong, i think it would be a little bit hurtful. You know what I mean? like I do think his pride or maybe his, maybe not pride, maybe his ego would be a little hurt if he got something so drastically wrong that he thought he was very, very good at.
01:12:07
Speaker
Yeah. When we all have different values, like yeah maybe he doesn't care about his clothes, but he cares about his hair. Very true. And like even in this moment, he thinks he's right.
01:12:20
Speaker
Right. So like I feel like that is part – I mean, it's and it's kind of that um like delayed gratification thing. It's like he is comfortable – living in this thing where everybody thinks he's wrong and foolish um and like being ridiculous and embarrassing um because he knows deep down that he's right.
01:12:42
Speaker
Yeah. And in the end, of course. And he is. Yeah.
01:12:49
Speaker
Then we go to the cheese balls. The fries exist, Sean. It's a glorious moment, really. They are like Over these fries.
01:13:02
Speaker
And of course, it allows them the opportunity to get to this delicious snack as it looks. But also they talk to some people that were there when Ryan was there. They look across the street and see oh one of the things that Ryan said was a car crashed through a store window, which seemed, you know, lofty.
01:13:19
Speaker
Seems just kind of crazy. You'd think they'd have like a police report on that. I was going to say that they would have known that. Yeah. but I wonder if it was something. Well, go ahead. Yeah, no, no. That's what i was going to say. I wonder if it was like something kind of adjacent. So maybe like yeah the window broke, like went through the window. And that's why they're fixing the window. Something extreme.
01:13:36
Speaker
Correct. Or maybe they were just fixing the window and that could also and Ryan invented the car part of it. absolutely. Yeah, but it it it's like Sean, we see him kind of see things and like it's not his normal squint.
01:13:51
Speaker
It's like his – it's a slightly different squint where he's like – piecing together what Ryan said yes yeah it's like that same kind of squint from when they were listening to Ryan's story it's like yes he's he knows there's something there and he knows and like he has that lesson he told Gus you know I rely as a kernel of truth so it's like okay there's the kernel of truth there's the kernel of truth like he's he's picking up all the kernels and piecing it together yes exactly
01:14:24
Speaker
So we get the the car crash. Car crashing through a window was actually something was going on with the window in a store across the street. And something is. um And something is, yes.
01:14:35
Speaker
so Looks like they're measuring a new window or cleaning the window or something. Yeah, glass company there. They're putting in a window. Yep. Sean talks to the waitress and she remembers two creepy people sitting at the window. So he did, in fact, see these guys at this restaurant.
01:14:53
Speaker
Mm-hmm. where he had these particular fries, we find out that they ordered a beer and a water with cinnamon sticks and lemon wedges.
01:15:03
Speaker
So cinnamon sticks and lemon wedges were important, just not in a marinade that he was making. ah oh he said something about one of them had weird curly cues on their face and we find out one of them had a handlebar mustache.
01:15:18
Speaker
So, you know, something curly on their face. Oh, and then he also said, I'm like remembering all of it now as I read the the translations, if you will. Right. um He also said they were going to kill someone with their belt buckle and it turns out there was a gun hidden behind His belt buckle, one of the assassins' belt buckle. He had gun his belt.
01:15:37
Speaker
Yeah. kill him because there's a gun, obviously. So what, again, what Ryan said was partly true, but also partly lie. So Sean is starting to, yeah, translate almost what Ryan is saying um into more clear English.
01:15:53
Speaker
She also says, the waitress, that another person who spoke to them or who interacted with them was the hostess and was the valet.
01:16:05
Speaker
and I don't really remember what the hostess said because all I have is just stuff about Grimace. but Yeah. The hostess, I think, said the belt buckle thing. okay.
01:16:17
Speaker
And then the the valet said to me like how they were exchanging money yes they're talking about money uh-huh and but they refuse to give him more than a dollar 50 cent chip yeah there's a lot of fun bits in these conversations first we get with the waitress we get the when gus informs her that shauna's a psychic she's like oh do you do parties and he's like so private ones you planning to throw something together for yourself She's like, no, my niece is turning six.
01:16:46
Speaker
And he's like, yeah, I'm not available for that. Sorry. And it's like his face drops. So funny. um Yeah. And then they have this ridiculous back and forth with what in front of the hostess about Gus wants to claim Grimace as a brother.
01:17:06
Speaker
Yeah. Sean says, I gave you Vin Diesel, but I'm not giving you Grimmis. They continue to argue about this for quite a while. Yes. um And then...
01:17:18
Speaker
And then, yeah, finally with the valet, the guy says that, you know, comments on the cheapness of a 50 cent tip. And then Gus puts his 50 cents back in his wallet and pulls out a dollar and a quarter.
01:17:34
Speaker
a quarter. Like, take care of yourself. I still like it too much.
01:17:41
Speaker
Which is like, you know, it's kind of funny because...
01:17:47
Speaker
i don't know When I think about Gus, I don't necessarily think about like a stingy person, but I feel like that does come up a couple times throughout the series. Well, and he does, you know, we see him concerned about Sykes finances.
01:18:02
Speaker
Well. And Sean, you know, comments about how Sean uses all of his money, which I think it was sort of fun in this episode that Gus allows Sean to tap into their ah savings account later. um That is pretty generous of Gus.
01:18:20
Speaker
Yeah. But we'll get there. Yes. oh actually like right now is that when we go there or no this is when they go and this is when they're informed they are not allowed to talk to ryan while he's in custody correct him in doubt even though the bone in sean's pinky finger the psychic bone in his pinky finger is telling him very important information which must be utilized towards the case as he like wiggles his pinky finger up and down towards his head.
Sean's Belief in Ryan's Innocence
01:18:53
Speaker
um But the chief needs something concrete. She wants like legitimate evidence towards the fact that he's innocent. Yeah. And really not entertaining them at all. No, he's not.
01:19:06
Speaker
Nobody is convinced in the slightest that Ryan could be anything but guilty. Yeah. I mean, and very similarly to lassie did a bad bad thing well except all of his people who knew well sean sean and gus and the couple other people who like actually know him lassie um lassie jules and vic but in this case who really knows ryan like nobody yeah chief officer ultimately says no like you're not gonna you're not interviewing him so go figure something out
01:19:40
Speaker
And they end up going to Ryan's apartment and have just a ridiculous bit to get in there about Sean being from the big Uncles of America program.
01:19:52
Speaker
And his ment with his mentee, Hollaback Atcha. Who's 30 years old.
01:19:59
Speaker
i love the guy. He's like, okay, whatever. Just don't tell me what I let you in. Fine. Yeah. Get inside. Whatever. and Yeah, no one has cleaned this apartment, which I do always forget about in the the cases of, like, violent crime and, like, murder and stuff like that. Like, the police are not involved in the cleanup.
01:20:22
Speaker
like You have to hire somebody, whether that's, like, you, the apartment building, or you, like, a family. You have to hire professional cleaners to come and clean. Yeah. So no one is cleaned.
01:20:34
Speaker
So it's still very much a crime scene. There's blood everywhere. There's like blood spray all over the walls and on the fridge. Hardcore scene. Yeah. mean We don't really see blood a lot.
01:20:47
Speaker
No, it's very true. at And I wonder if really we were only seeing blood here because there was no like body. You know, it was just... Yeah. Are they getting a little more... Because we saw foot last... Was that I see a foot.
01:21:03
Speaker
I was, yeah. So maybe we're getting more. And we're going to soon... soon you know, Woody is going to come in the scenes. We're going to spend more time with bodies. Yes. So maybe they're getting more bold about that. I mean, obviously the waters creative team, specifically James Roday Rodriguez, has no concerns about such things. None.
01:21:23
Speaker
but Yeah, he's probably the one that was like, there needs to be blood. It must be there. It is an important yeah forensic evidence, which there are some moments in this episode where I'm like, why is nobody else thinking of these things?
01:21:39
Speaker
I know. I mean, I guess they're just so sure about Ryan, but like, there's a few times where I'm like, really guys? Yeah. Yeah. I know. Well, i want i I wonder if they could, to some extent, be explained away if you really wanted.
01:21:56
Speaker
Like, could they have said, Ryan killed this guy and then he went and he changed his shirt and his pants and then he tried to resuscitate him to make it look like he was innocent. Like, could they do the mental gymnastics to make it make sense if they really want Ryan to be the one who's guilty? Yeah.
01:22:14
Speaker
And I guess Gus even says like that later when he stops Billy, when his faith is... Wavering. Yes. He's like, blood spatter is an imperfect science or whatever he says.
01:22:30
Speaker
Yeah. um So yeah, maybe there is... But it's just, it's like enough for Sean yeah to keep going. Yes. um Yeah. Yeah. And Sean deduces that Essentially, this crime scene is really messy, and therefore you would expect Ryan to be totally messy with blood.
01:22:51
Speaker
But he only has blood on his hands, not on any of his clothing. And therefore, Sean takes that to mean that, yes, Ryan is telling the truth, that he was trying to save the super and he didn't actually kill him.
01:23:05
Speaker
So the boys decide, in one of their most outlandish decisions, to tap into their savings account, as Kylie said. and bail ryan good well i love there's that moment where like gus is like i think sean wants to go talk to ryan again try to and gus is like the chief said we can't talk to him while he's in police custody and he and sean's like say that again but yeah um bingo yeah
01:23:37
Speaker
Don't say bango, cranium. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cranium. And he's like, can play some cranium. yeah um
01:23:46
Speaker
And again, you would think Gus would be like, not about this idea. But as soon as they, like when they get to the station, they are one, they are united front. yes see it i know and I love And I love the delivery of their one line.
01:24:02
Speaker
Looks like paper. Actually, our life savings. There's so many good. And I love like, we just posted his bail. Yeah.
01:24:12
Speaker
they just they seem like sort of delighted that they have come up with a way to do what they want absolutely they found the loophole yes exactly like they're because um i think lassie is who they run into and he's like the chief told you you can't or is it last year is it jules um think it's lassie so the chief told them that they can't talk to him while he's in custody and um or he says it's an order yes and john's like we don't take orders well unless it's to get on the dance floor raise the roof and they're they're just like having a ball and it's like they're just so excited because they beat them yes they have won yes
01:24:57
Speaker
um and so they get him out i love the transition of like getting him out, Sean and Gus don't say a word. It's just quiet. And then Ryan opens his mouth and it's just nonsense monologue.
01:25:14
Speaker
And we just get the sense of like, oh boy. Yeah. What, what did we just do? Yeah. That's the weekend. Yeah. there And it's funny too, because they're just like kind of aimlessly walking. Like we don't really know where they're going, like what they're doing. They're walking about town.
01:25:31
Speaker
Ryan Yeah, starts saying all this like ridiculous stuff. He starts saying he knows the who, the what, and the where. And Sean's like, that's all we need. Like, what is it? You got to tell us. Like, we're going to solve this thing.
01:25:44
Speaker
And then it's, again, all like nonsense. It happened sometime between 10 and 430. love the way this comes out, too. It's like 10 o'clock. To 430.
01:25:55
Speaker
Yeah. Gus is like, wonderful. The cable company? Yeah, the cable. Do your assassin work at cable company? And then they're like okay, where? And he's like, 420. 420. And they're like, something. Yeah. 420 what? And then like, who?
01:26:13
Speaker
Tom.
01:26:15
Speaker
Which again, it's like, he he wasn't wrong. This guy's name is tom it was something, but like he... He didn't have it all.
01:26:26
Speaker
And he wasn't... Not even that he was lying, but he just was... like It was like a half-truth kind of a thing. Yeah. Because he... I mean... If you had a witness who had that information, that much information, like...
01:26:41
Speaker
That's valuable. That's cool. But yeah, it's like the way he presents it. It's like, I know everything. Right. And that's what he knows. It's like, okay. Yes. And then I love how at the end of this conversation, his response to them being like, what the heck is, come on, guys, I can't do everything for you.
01:26:59
Speaker
It's like, no, you don't have the information. like youre You're not trying to be helpful to them here. You literally don't have the information. So the boys go back to the office and they're trying to figure out what in the world could all this information mean? What is open from 10 o'clock to 430? 420 what? Like they're looking all around.
01:27:20
Speaker
All the businesses with those hours. Oh my gosh. Everything with that street number. And then they're like then we're going have to go through suites and apartment numbers. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty wild to just say 420 something.
01:27:31
Speaker
Like Gus says he has hundreds of addresses already. um And yeah, they haven't even... attempted to tackle Tom, like one of the most common names.
01:27:45
Speaker
And this is when we get the callback to the human lie detector because Gus has a real job, but if we forgot. Yeah, he's over it. Yeah, he's got to go. He's got to do his routes. And yeah they just spent all their money. So he's got to go to work.
01:28:00
Speaker
Yes. He's got to make sure that they can actually fund this ridiculous side hustle that they have.
Interrogating Ryan and Uncovering Truth
01:28:04
Speaker
And He tell tells Sean to call the human lie detector, but which we now know is Henry.
01:28:11
Speaker
And we get Henry to the office to talk to Ryan. And this scene is so interesting to me. Like the, all of this scene. Yeah. Like ah Ryan.
01:28:23
Speaker
Always when Henry's on the scene. Oh, I just love Henry. i just love him so much. Yeah. He just adds so much interestingness to the, to the mix. So it's Sean, Henry and Ryan. And, um,
01:28:35
Speaker
Sean and Henry are essentially interviewing Ryan because Sean wants Henry to hear everything that Ryan said. But Ryan is like playing it so normal. It's weird. um Well, he's like, Sean's like, so tell him everything you told the police or me or whatever.
01:28:54
Speaker
Yeah. And he's like, oh, I killed my super. Yeah. And yeah, so... If Sean has had the patience to like not feel insane by everything else Ryan has said, like this puts him over the edge. This is it. What yeah are you doing?
01:29:14
Speaker
Yeah. And he does. He gets frustrated pretty quick. h Because i don't remember if he, if Sean has already been like, oh, no, no, no. He hasn't yet told Ryan to cut the shit essentially.
01:29:28
Speaker
um But yeah, he's, he's confused. So he like, asks Henry to come talk to him and like tells Ryan to give them a minute and Henry very quickly to Sean is like I know he's lying through his teeth like this is not and you're not telling anything I do love that because Henry really plays Ryan of course like tells him like I think you're the second most sane person in here like yeah he really doesn't let on that he sees through what Ryan is doing at all but then as soon as he him and Sean are alone he's like yeah of course
01:30:01
Speaker
Yeah. I think Henry's a great interrogator. Like, he's a good talk he's a good ah cop. He knows what he's doing. And again, back to that whole, like, lying and truthing, like, when, where are you and where's the boundary?
01:30:13
Speaker
In this case, playing along is probably going to get more results than saying you're a bold-faced liar. Like, stop it. You know? um And Henry asks Sean, you know, why is he working so hard on this case? And Sean's like, i work hard on every case. And Henry's like, no. you know so You work hard to have fun to show off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. which And you see Sean's face just like, it's like, needling.
01:30:42
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sure especially from, you know, we've talked about like parent-child dynamics. Like, I'm sure Sean takes that in a very different way coming from Henry than he does coming from, say, Gus.
01:30:53
Speaker
Well, it is an insult. like and when sean said Coming from Henry, yes, yeah Yeah, I mean, when Sean says that he works hard, he means it. He does work hard. He is very committed. We talked about that. like And so for Henry to boil down what he does and also knowing what he actually does right yeah to that is like, it's just the classic dynamic that they have where Henry yeah just writes off everything that Sean and achieves to his face, but then cuts out his newspaper articles.
01:31:25
Speaker
it's true. But sha Henry then also distills that that's part of it. Right. But also Sean is.
01:31:39
Speaker
ah Sean sees a little bit of himself in Ryan and wants to prove that Ryan is not. lion because if he is always lying then what does that say about sean and what sean does and then this is when we get you know the whole henry talking about how he had people that called him on the lies when he was young and how they're like very different because sean knows where the line is and clearly this ryan guy does not and we leave the scene
01:32:15
Speaker
with i love this line henry goes if you ever call me down here again to do guster's job i'm going to hit you with a consulting fee i'm like i think that's fair honestly oh funny but yeah we so henry kind of gives us this like underlying thing that sean has been wrestling with for the whole episode which is is he really a liar is he a liar like ryan are his lies justified And so on and so forth.
01:32:47
Speaker
Then Ryan comes back into the room.
01:32:51
Speaker
And Ryan is like, it's all a conspiracy. okay Because Sean's like, why did you do that? Yeah. ah yeah And he's like, we can't trust anybody. We don't know what he is.
01:33:03
Speaker
That's dad. I know. He was a cop. Like, cut it out. oh And Ryan, yeah, he's just like, nope, we don't know. Like, we're in danger. You know?
01:33:14
Speaker
And Sean's like, well, yes, you are in danger. Like, just tell us the truth. Like, bad things could be happening and Ryan can't do it. Yeah, and this is the Alfred moment. Yes.
01:33:25
Speaker
Where he's just like, Yeah, basically telling to cut the shit, as you said.
01:33:33
Speaker
But to Ryan, it appears to not be shit. It's just the world he's living in. Correct. And it's kind of confirmed. When Gus calls them on the telephone...
01:33:45
Speaker
And he is enamored by the fact that he figured 420 out. I love that. Yes. I love his, like, I can't believe I'm taking this call. a very Vic, like, paleontologist.
01:33:58
Speaker
Yes, exactly. I figured it out. Yes. And it's 420 Main Street. Yep, the hospital. and And yeah, and the visiting hours are 10 to 430. Like, it's all right there.
01:34:13
Speaker
Yep. And then inside they find a guy named Tom Lieber. who was recently hit by a car, or he hit a car, as he said. yes And Ryan thinks that he's the target of the assassination.
01:34:29
Speaker
Only problem is, ah Tom doesn't remember anything. Tom has amnesia.
01:34:36
Speaker
And ah all he knows is that he works at home for a mattress company, and he goes out and gets grape Slurpees on Friday. Tuesday. Sorry, Tuesday.
01:34:48
Speaker
And... And games. Yes, and games, which he remembers being flung all across the street. So Yeah, that is quite sad. like, my games.
01:34:59
Speaker
Yeah. He is very upset. Well, and also imagine for this guy who, like, clearly can't really remember mean what remember much. Yeah. And then he just knows he likes games, but, oh, they're all gone. like Yeah. Would have been great for my convalescence. Like, he's like this young...
01:35:16
Speaker
guy. yeah And we didn't mention they have called, they have also summoned yes Jules and Lassie here. and And they come running in and they're like,
01:35:30
Speaker
what is going on and Jules is like are you okay break it's hospital a hospital and life and death and Gus is like I knew I should have left that message again with the lies yes yeah or the half truths half truths um yeah so they're all in there and um everything that comes out of Tom's mouth just makes Lassie and Jules more like
01:35:56
Speaker
really like wow again the wild goose chase it's just a classic ryan move like now they're the victim the future victim of the assassination plot doesn't remember anything and sean's like are you blackmailing anyone are you having a torrid affair yeah just like going through possible motives don't know he doesn't know anything trying to tell him that they think he's in danger.
01:36:23
Speaker
have but a couple lines. I think Lassie is... and you're once again like wasting our time or something and sean's like once again just last week i told you about the semi-annual sale at tj maxx racks and racks of seven dollar ties and last he does look down and he's like he almost looks a little chagrined like like that is that is true i love jules too jules like looks at the time yeah
01:36:55
Speaker
Yeah, so ultimately they get out of there. Lassie and Jules. um And Gus is like, his patience is wearing thin.
01:37:07
Speaker
And says something about how they're going to make money if they burn this bridge, I think, with the police department. and john yes And that they're not going to, they can't subsist on their private cases. And Sean's like, how many times do i have to tell you I am this close to making the pro bowlers tour? Yeah.
01:37:26
Speaker
Silly man. silly. That's like the second or third time he's brought up bowling. I wonder if he really does this in his spare time. That's a good point. Yeah.
01:37:37
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Because when when they run into Jules at the bowling alley that one time, they're with, they've brought that other speed dating girl there. Because I'm like, was he just hanging out there? but Yeah, maybe that's a hobby.
01:37:52
Speaker
Could be. A good way to get his frustrations out. little ball at some pins.
01:38:01
Speaker
There's also like the tiniest bit of a bee story that's happening that we didn't really talk about. But Lassie's been trying to testify for a case that I guess recently came in. But every time he's gone, it has had to have been postponed because the defense attorney like didn't show up.
01:38:19
Speaker
Well, turns out they found the found a body in an office suite. And it is that defense attorney that they have been waiting for. it makes sense as to why they haven't been showing up.
01:38:32
Speaker
They're dead.
01:38:35
Speaker
And we find out when we go back to the station that the lawyer had two bullets in their chest. And again, we get another chief.
01:38:49
Speaker
Chief Vic. Chief Karen Charles Vic.
01:38:54
Speaker
You keep getting this from. And what I think is funny is I can't remember anywhere in the show where we see her middle initial. We don't see like Karen C. Vic anywhere.
01:39:05
Speaker
Yeah. But he goes, i knew the middle initial was C. I took a guess. And she doesn't correct him. Well, maybe he's seen it. Maybe it's on her business card or something.
01:39:17
Speaker
Yeah, okay. That's a good point. um Or maybe when she was named chief. It was in the paper. That's true. ah Yeah, they are going back.
Investigating the Crime Scene
01:39:33
Speaker
And Sean is kind of playing Gus a little bit here too because they're going back to apologize right for the ah running around. um And their peace offering is that they've brought the fries, case of course quattro quesos, dos fritos, in a to-go box.
01:39:53
Speaker
And offers it to her and puts it on her desk and she's just like... I love everybody's reaction to the fries when they open it. And to be fair, like it does not look appetizing.
01:40:08
Speaker
yeah They looked delicious at the restaurant. They look great. But in this container, i don't know if it's the steam. I don't know if it's the car. But they definitely looked a little, yeah little icky.
01:40:21
Speaker
And it's very fun. number and Gus says, they clearly don't travel well. And then later when McNabb comes in and he's like, are those the fries? Quattro cases of fritas? Yeah. They don't travel well.
01:40:33
Speaker
Yeah. So fun. um They still taste good though. Or they should.
01:40:41
Speaker
Yeah. So Vic accepts their apology. um
01:40:49
Speaker
And then I think Sean immediately says. Oh, and like kind of lets them in on this case that they are now working on this homicide that they're now working on of the. Yeah. the lawyer and Sean immediately is like, so was he a victim of an assassination plot?
01:41:06
Speaker
Yeah. And Gus is like, can really? but Because Gus is really trying to not, like, he is over this. Yeah. um It's there. I mean, nothing has come together yet.
01:41:18
Speaker
So it feels like it's kind of hurtless. Yeah. But I do love Vic is like, believe it or not, it did cross my mind. Yes. But her reasoning That he was not the um victim of the assassination plot is that he died like four days ago.
01:41:35
Speaker
Right. So before Ryan heard about this plot. But the boys do figure out that our friend Tom was hit on the same day.
01:41:51
Speaker
as the lawyer was killed. Around the same time. Around the same time, yes. Just a couple blocks away. Maybe connected. Yeah. So Gus hearing this seems to kind of be like coming around a bit again.
01:42:06
Speaker
then And then they are unpacking this as Jules, Lassie, and Vic have all left to go watch the security video from down the street or something.
01:42:20
Speaker
And I love they walk into that room to join them and Sean's like, don't know if I wrote it down. He's like, I have a feeling you're all about to apologize to me.
01:42:34
Speaker
Accurate. On the tape. I love seeing him i love seeing him Successful. Himself. His, like, happy, peppy self. yeah Yeah.
01:42:44
Speaker
I agree. i love when he wins. Yes. It is nice. It is heartwarming when he wins.
01:42:51
Speaker
So on the tape, we see our main man, Tom, running away from something. And Sean clocks that he turns mid-run.
01:43:07
Speaker
And then as he continues running, there are two shadows that are following him, which he interprets as possibly the assassins. However, ah Jules and Lassie, I guess, don't realize that the shadows could be something. Yeah, this is another moment where I'm like, really, guys?
01:43:25
Speaker
I know. It was pretty clear. Lassie's life. taunt or lieber clearly killed the lawyer and then was hit by a car running away and and vic says the same um and yeah sean is like i don't know about that like he he says he has some vibe i think that's what brings him into the room and then he's like the spirits aren't sure about that and um and then vic is like well we don't have time which i guess
01:43:54
Speaker
Her concern is that he will wake up and realize that he killed someone and then run. In that sense, they don't have time if he did do it. Right. um But it seems like one way or another, they would be going to the hospital to talk to Tom.
01:44:09
Speaker
Yeah. um But yeah, they're just they they're very sure that he did it, even though it seems unlikely. But I guess they, you know, don't know.
01:44:22
Speaker
and They also don't really seem to be thinking about how Ryan might fit into all this. Right. Right. He does, clearly, because, you know, he led them to Tom in the first place. So, don't know.
01:44:35
Speaker
They're not thinking about it all. No. Showing no imagination. For shame. Yeah. So, i think yeah, they all rush to the hospital, Lassie and Jules, to arrest Tom. Mm-hmm.
01:44:52
Speaker
Sean and Gus to save him, help him. Yeah. yeah And he's already gone. We're like, gosh darn, where could he have possibly gotten to?
01:45:04
Speaker
And sean and guest are Sean and Gus are worried that he might be killed already. The assassins might have gotten there first. Right, right. they They leave.
01:45:16
Speaker
They're thinking maybe we can find him. Like maybe he's walking. Who knows? Getting the blueberry. and holy goodness they're in the back seat so good ryan and tom tom with his ivy trips don't i freaking love and ryan and his and his doctor's coat yeah and or ryan's like drive drive he's freaking out the story of like it's like a game of cat and mouse get out and they were already in the building and tom's like didn't we just take the elevator and ryan Let me tell the story. Yeah, hold on.
01:45:53
Speaker
All right. Leave the dramatics to me, sir. and That shows a bit of lucidity of life. Yes. um Yeah, so I don't know.
01:46:04
Speaker
It's hard to pin him down. Who knows? But we get see our wonderful getaway driver, Gus, and all of his defensive driving techniques. That's exactly my note, getaway driver, Gus. Yeah.
01:46:18
Speaker
And we get a good, I would say a good like three minutes of two, three minutes of Gus like defensively driving. Yeah, it's while. And like they're right behind us and blah, blah. And then finally Gus is like looking over his shoulder and pulls into an alleyway and they're like, what are you doing? He's like, there's no one following us.
01:46:35
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
01:46:37
Speaker
Yeah. This is when we the really sweet moment with Sean of like yeah telling him to keep believing in me. And suddenly...
01:46:49
Speaker
car shows up and it's about to get going again and yeah there they are in the flesh the handlebar mustache all of it everything yeah and the blueberry gets shot yeah and i also made a note another gun two guns being pulled on gus oh true yeah and the poor blueberry know And then Sean tells Gus to take Lieber and run. know.
01:47:18
Speaker
I mean, what a selfless moment for our Sean to say, get him out of here. He's the one who has to make it. Yeah. Like that's, again, it's not a serious show in a lot of ways. So it's like, that's like a very serious thing. ah Yeah, totally. Totally.
01:47:34
Speaker
i mean, two guys, two assassins, theoretically, with guns currently shooting at you. Mm-hmm. And what other re i mean what other reason for them to stay other than to distract and delay as Gus and Tom get away, which essentially means they're possibly going to die.
01:47:51
Speaker
Yeah. And Sean, they both seem calm like comfortable with that. Yes. Ryan, too. A testament to both of them. Yeah. Correct. I would agree. i would agree. Yeah.
01:48:03
Speaker
But fortunate for them, whether intentionally or not, because I still don't really, i still never really catch whether someone called them or if Jules and Lassie just had an inkling, but um they do come running around the corner very heroically to save the day with weapons and a couple of squad cars.
Resolution and Ryan's New Vow
01:48:20
Speaker
Yeah. Before that happens, I have to comment on two things. One, yeah when they hide behind the dumpster, Sean and Ryan, it's with a bar bunch of boxes of pineapples. Of course. Yes, we're good. And two, really love the moment where they don't even say anything, but they have this kinship as two liars and they look at each other and then they like in sync just walk out yeah into the line of fire yeah and they use their skills um
01:48:51
Speaker
their skills of shenanigans to like stall which we've seen Sean do many times but um but I thought one thing that was interesting is that like you know They're kind of both riffing on this, that the backup is coming. And Ryan has this moment of like, look into my eyes and tell me if I'm lying.
01:49:13
Speaker
And the assassins are doing that and they are really like convinced. And then Ryan goes, and they're like, there's no backup. And I feel like that is a difference between Sean and Ryan.
01:49:26
Speaker
Sean would never... no jeopardize ah yeah like he is he's too good yes he would keep the um the cover going yes um which again that's another like collusive moment for ryan yeah that is a very conscious lie But, you know, I mean, the mind is a complicated thing. So maybe it's a bit of both.
01:49:55
Speaker
Yeah. And, again, was it a lie? Did he know that backup was coming? I mean, he does go... Was he just happy because they lowered their weapons? like i Maybe, maybe Who knows?
01:50:11
Speaker
ah but Yeah, and then finally Lassie and Jules
01:50:16
Speaker
running around the corner. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I guess it's possible. They were all there at the same time. Maybe somebody saw or they saw the blueberries speed off and yeah understood that something was going on. I know. I kind of wonder if they just have like a I mean, if they were smart, they would just be like, hey, all units, whenever you're out, if you see a crazy blue car running around, like just let us know.
01:50:43
Speaker
Somebody could have gotten... I mean, yeah, it could have been called in. He was driving like a... Maniac. Recklessly several minutes. Blueberries go crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Something might be happening. Master might want to check it out.
01:50:57
Speaker
Yeah.
01:51:00
Speaker
But yeah, they come in and the assassins get apprehended. And. Wow. She's like, that is a fine handlebar. I wonder who his mustache guy is. Yeah. I mean, it is a very nice handlebar mustache.
01:51:14
Speaker
It is very, very well quaffed, if you will. hmm.
01:51:18
Speaker
And that's pretty that's pretty much the shebang. We go back to the office. Ryan's decided he's quitting cold turkey. He's not going to lie anymore. Which...
01:51:30
Speaker
I don't think anyone believes for a second. um Turns out he's going to be a captain of a hot air balloon and he'll, you know, let them steer. And the boys are like, do hot air balloons have captains? He's like, oh, yeah, and stewards and all the first ones.
01:51:44
Speaker
love that when Ryan comes in, sea and Gus have a lot of bravado about like, oh, are you going to tell us like whatever? Like they are – They don't have any patience really anymore for his shenanigans either. But then yeah after he leaves, they're like, maybe we should check this out. Fireball?
01:52:07
Speaker
Let us steer. Which bear? Yeah. Very cute. Yeah.
01:52:11
Speaker
which fair yeah very cute yeah And that's all they wrote. Yeah. mean, I guess that's kind of part of their, yeah just that ability to entertain the possibility.
01:52:26
Speaker
Yeah. ah Is what allows Sean to be very successful a lot of the time, you know? Absolutely.
Themes of Lies and Truths
01:52:33
Speaker
he will go places where other people won't. I mean, with our paleontology episode, Lassie can't, you know, yeah he can't say he was a dinosaur. Yeah. Yeah.
01:52:45
Speaker
But Sean can. Yeah.
01:52:49
Speaker
So, yeah.
01:52:53
Speaker
Great episode. I know Such a good one. lot. lot of food for thought. Yeah, yeah. I think it it's one of the first episodes that really gets us thinking about this theme of, like, Sean as a liar and the impact of that not only on others but also on him.
01:53:12
Speaker
Yeah, definitely one of the... most like where that's the most textual versus like subtextual. Yes. You really like bring it to the forefront.
01:53:25
Speaker
um
01:53:28
Speaker
Yeah. We are like in wrap up mode for the season. It's crazy. So that I mean in its own way is a big episode and then next we have Tuesday 17th. Done.
01:53:42
Speaker
yeah down but Such a good one. Huge. Yeah. I mean, one of the best for like so many reasons.
01:53:55
Speaker
I mean, one of our earliest homages. I mean, i feel like we haven't had an homage since the telenovela episode. Like a true homage. yeah And even that wasn't even really a true homage.
01:54:11
Speaker
Yeah, I guess more like we did hit we did like the treasure hunt. So we've had some kind of genre ones. But yeah, this is like a proper movie.
01:54:26
Speaker
just taking that movie making an episode taking that movie and like making it psych yeah which i think is so fun yeah and it feels like well like we've been leading to this in a lot of ways and they had to get to a certain point to like be able to do this yeah um like to really go horror.
01:54:52
Speaker
Yes. and um And this is pretty... i mean, this is like pretty true horror who when you you come right down to it. i mean, it's like spooky. It's intense. There are people dying left and right. You don't really know the answers. You have jump scares. you have like I mean, it's yeah all of the... All of it.
01:55:17
Speaker
Yeah. A fun twist. Like... Yeah, it's it's great. Yeah. And, like, it's kind of a – the way – I mean, – ah i act I thought on Tuesday the 17th was this episode, so I actually watched Friday the 13th already.
Future Episodes and Conclusion
01:55:37
Speaker
But ah like even just watching the logo come in, like it's the same.
01:55:41
Speaker
Really? Yeah, it's the same. And so it's like, and it really, it's such a, it feels like, a I don't know, like throwing down the gauntlet or something like that. Like i coming in and saying, this is something that we are going to do.
01:55:54
Speaker
Like we are going to make these like homage episodes and it like yeah it's the first one that goes that far yes and really just takes something i mean i guess they they've done like title sequences and stuff but and and more like genres but like yeah to take a particular movie and take it that far it's like and then that is really kind of a turning point for them because they'll do it many other times yes and
01:56:25
Speaker
Some of my, what I love is that some of my favorite movies are like what they end up taking. And then there's an extra connection to the episode because you love the source material, but they they still spin it, as I said, in like a psych way. So there's still something new to it, which is so great.
01:56:45
Speaker
While also still... like paying respect to the original it's just i'm so excited yeah and i've never seen friday the 13th so as listeners you probably all know by now kylie and i are not horror uh we were not horror aficionados before this um even though ill not still but i mean i feel like at some point we're going to become like pretty versed pretty well versed in in horror whether we want to be or not um but i feel like friday the 13th is a pretty um pretty standard like horror movie like if you've seen horror you've seen friday the 13th um but having not seen it again i still as we say often i still really enjoy this episode just as a standalone episode it has all of those really great
01:57:39
Speaker
like funny but dramatic pieces to it with the scary just turned up like an extra little notch. Yeah.
01:57:50
Speaker
Everything about it is just like so effective. Yeah. It's going to be a good watch. So next week will be Friday the 13th and Tuesday the 17th. Mm-hmm. who Way back when we were hoping we would be able to actually put out Tuesday the 17th on Tuesday the 17th. But the amount of port like horror planning that that would require.
01:58:10
Speaker
We'll still have an episode come out on Tuesday the 17th. Yes. tuesday stay Even though we play Fast and Lucid Tuesdays. But that one will come out on a Tuesday. That one will be a Tuesday. There's some coming up.
01:58:22
Speaker
Oh, are there? Maybe that should be like a special episode. Like maybe we do like a horror Yeah, pick something special. Yeah. We'll think about it. So you look forward to that. And if you want to join us back here next week, we'll be here on Tuesday, possibly Wednesday. Who knows? We keep it fast and loose.
01:58:38
Speaker
And we'll see you back here next week when we're talking about season three, episode 15 of the famed TV show, Psych. Bye.
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Speaker
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