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S3E16: An Afternoon with Friends
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Series spoilers abound! We’re watching Season 3, Episode 16 “An Evening with Mr. Yang” and the 2007 thriller movie “Zodiac”. Santa Barbara has its most notorious serial killer active again, and this time they’re targeting Shawn. Will he be able to solve the riddles, catch the guy, and save the girl? We’re talking future endeavors, the need for silliness, obsession, and more. So grab your popcorn and join Kylie and Skyler on this new episode of Phsysics 101!
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Introduction to 'Versailles 6101'
00:00:21
Speaker
Alright, everyone, and welcome to Versailles 6101, where we discuss everything about the world of Psyche and the antics of Sean and Gus in Sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar, and this is my partner, Jetta Girl.
Excitement for Season 3 Finale
00:00:32
Speaker
And today, we'll be talking about Season 3, Episode 16 of the famed TV show, Psyche.
00:00:41
Speaker
I'm evening with Mr. Yang. We made it. We made it. It's kind of crazy. This has been, like... 50 something episodes.
00:00:54
Speaker
I actually was just looking at that. I think we have like 55 episodes out there. Pretty crazy.
Podcast Milestone Reflection
00:01:01
Speaker
And what a good one to end a season on. Wow. I know.
00:01:04
Speaker
Wow. I'm so excited to talk about this. And we also watched Zodiac, which I was extremely hesitant, but I'm really glad we did. yeah Because it um they call it out in the episode. which They do.
00:01:20
Speaker
I was like, oh my God. Yeah. Jimmy Simpson? Yeah. my God. When he came on, I was like, a stop. ah so Perfect. Oh my God. um I could, I like could not believe that.
00:01:35
Speaker
I know. And just at the last moment, I was like, oh my God. Yes. Just the perfect, like the little kiss of, of him at the end. was funny too seeing him because he is also in gravy, wasn't he?
00:01:47
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I feel like all of the all of the things I've seen Jimmy Simpson in have been like intensely weird, obscure. Yeah, you're right.
'Psyche' and 'Zodiac' Parallels
00:01:59
Speaker
He certain taste. Yeah, he does. And then he walked into this movie and was just like, I'm a dude. And I was like, oh, hi. But still kind of an intense and weird movie. Well, feel like you gotta be, right? Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:02:11
Speaker
Like, it certainly fits into his canon of films that we have There's canon work that we've seen. yeah Yes. But yeah, it was a good, a very long movie again. I feel like we're picking all of the longest movies to possibly watch.
00:02:28
Speaker
um But I thought it was a nice addition or a nice parallel, a nice complement, if you will. Yeah. I mean, i I think they super clearly like borrow from that, those events. Like, how Yang taunts them and Even like that first scene of when they're carrying Yang's letter through the police station, i felt like that was right out of the movie.
00:02:58
Speaker
and um And just like the riddles and and also the way i felt like Zodiac was so much about how the experience of investigating that and and not being able to
00:03:18
Speaker
solve it or arrest the person they thought it was like how that impacted all the people involved yeah and i feel like that was a big part of the yang episode um we only get like a few references to what happened before but there is this sense that it really messed people up yeah which makes sense that understandable yeah well and we even get a little bit of like sean playing into the the way that he thinks people would react to something like this.
Sean's Internal Conflict
00:03:51
Speaker
Like him, you know, can't feeling like he can't have these people's lives on his conscience and it's like too much pressure and all of these things, which understandably like, Oh my gosh, someone is calling you out specifically and saying, if you don't do these things, someone's going to die. It ah definitely does feel a little extra, a little extra intense because of that. And we see the same thing, like you said, in in the Zodiac um movie. Yeah.
00:04:17
Speaker
As we do here in the the little Yang bits. But Sean in his way kind of flips the script part of the way through. ends up saving the day as he always does.
00:04:30
Speaker
Well, kind of. for yeah For now. yes um Yeah, he is put in such an interesting position in this episode on different levels.
00:04:42
Speaker
Because like, yeah professionally, he is being called out ah specifically, which the reveal of that is so funny.
00:04:53
Speaker
can be talking about anybody. ah His picture.
00:04:59
Speaker
So good. but um And I love, wrote just while we're on this moment, poor Lassie being like, it's definitely me. And then Vic reveals it and bring your psychic along.
00:05:13
Speaker
Because it kind comes back to the whole, um, the police test thing. but If you have, we got to there already, right? Like how they scored on the police exam exam. Yeah. Yeah. The detective exam where it's like, who is the top dog? Like Yang is only going to call out the top dog. So obviously they want Lassie to challenge. They want to be challenged by Lassie, whatever, but no, it's the psychic.
00:05:37
Speaker
It's the wackadoodle who makes all the crazy references. Yeah. yeah' Really good at detecting things outside the box. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah. but We'll have to spend some time on, like, what her fixation is with
Professional vs Personal Obligations
00:05:50
Speaker
him. But... time Oh, yeah.
00:05:51
Speaker
So he gets called out. And then we have Henry coming in and being like, do do not do this. Like, you don't want to get involved in this. You cannot get involved in this. um And I thought that was, like...
00:06:05
Speaker
that push and pull of him being like having this obligation and sense of like duty toward his work as a detective and um being told to quit in a way yeah yeah it's like such an interesting thing for sean in particular and then we have the abigail thing playing out where like
00:06:30
Speaker
she i can't trust him and she like doesn't believe him and stuff and he so just this like play of him being dependable versus not h and yeah it's really playing out both at the professional level and at the personal level.
00:06:52
Speaker
And he's being pulled in both directions of like wanting to be there for this this thing, whatever it is, and being told not to, which his, you know, his, like the cliche of his character is that he wouldn't, that he would, you know, not show up when he's needed, but he takes this very seriously.
00:07:15
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and I think part of the pull for Sean, we've talked about it a lot, is just figuring it out. Like no one else has been able to figure it out. yeah I'm going to figure it He has that whole yeah monologue thing with Maddie where he's like, I'm going to catch him.
00:07:29
Speaker
Yeah. I'm going to be the guy that catches him, you know, because he just wants to figure it out. He wants to find the truth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like ah all the best things.
00:07:42
Speaker
Well, it's like everything about Sean coming out in like the most, I don't know greater good kind of way. Yeah. Well, yeah. Because he's like extremely cocky and he thinks so highly of himself and he's like, obviously, i am not going to have a problem with this.
00:08:01
Speaker
but I mean, and he doesn't really like, yeah, he figures them all out very quickly. Yeah. Mm hmm. And I mean, he doesn't he doesn't catch on I suppose.
00:08:15
Speaker
I don't know why I'm talking obscurely. he He doesn't notice that Yang is everywhere that Yang is. Right. hmm. So, like, he doesn't catch her until the very, very end. and the fact that she was at every one of the spots. But it is kind of that same thing of where, you know, he takes in so much information, but he doesn't know what it what's important.
00:08:34
Speaker
Right. What it means in that moment. And so once knows, once he sees her and, like, has that face, it's like now he can place her everywhere. Right. But, yeah.
00:08:45
Speaker
I mean, it's hard. clues themselves, I mean, he solved all of these clues in an afternoon. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's pretty oriented day. I know. It didn't take long.
00:08:56
Speaker
No. And it seems like, at least from what Mary was saying, Jimmy Simpson's character, that no one has ever gotten as far as Sean got
Sean's Determination to Solve the Mystery
00:09:10
Speaker
in doing this. So I wonder, did people get like one clue, two clues?
00:09:14
Speaker
three like he i mean he had i took a picture of like each time he like seven clues something ridiculous yeah and we know from what vic said that last time this happened an innocent girl died so whoever that victim was if they were put on a timetable they could not meet that right um
00:09:35
Speaker
and i mean sean is extremely Good at this. I mean, they're playing Sean and Yang really are playing the game together. yep And it sounds, you know, even watching how Lassie and Jules like want to handle this like they.
00:09:54
Speaker
Vic even says, like, the reality is it's his game. We just kind of have to go along. Yeah. If they want to save the person, because that's their priority.
00:10:05
Speaker
um But Sean is, like, so confident that he can play back. Like, he's not only on defense. Right. Right.
00:10:17
Speaker
yeah and so like for yang to escalate in the way that she does also makes sense because right her opponent has risen to a certain level that yeah she got up the stakes yes shall we discuss yang sure know we haven't even like I was reading through my notes before this because it's been a few days.
00:10:42
Speaker
Yes. We watched and I'm like, it's, I feel like we have to go like beat by beat. Okay. We can, we can do that. who We can go beat by beat. And then, I mean, we usually end up talking about the yeah overarching ideas as we go. So, all right. We start off.
00:10:58
Speaker
No flashback. Mm. Which, I mean, it's interesting because I would almost expect, knowing what we know about Yang from watching the whole series, I would almost kind of expect a flashback here, if you know what I mean. Yeah.
00:11:16
Speaker
But. just sort of beg the question again of, like, whose point of view? Yes.
Yang's Background and Connection to Sean
00:11:23
Speaker
Oh my gosh. So many creepy visuals in Zodiac, by the way.
00:11:27
Speaker
Oh yes. Oh my god. The whole look. Wow, we're on this tangent. I feel like the yin look. Yes. So Zodiac.
00:11:38
Speaker
Yes, very. um And also lot of like the movie references, the movie theater, all that stuff. Yes. Film reels, like that all reminded me of the Yang stuff.
00:11:51
Speaker
yeah Lots of
00:11:54
Speaker
fun quote unquote little details yes um yeah okay so the point of view of the flashbacks because sean does not know that yang was there so it'd be hard i feel like it would be hard to present that in a in a flashback and it's so chilling when that is revealed when we do see that picture terrifying. I don't even know what to make of it still. Like, what does that even mean? Thank you.
00:12:26
Speaker
I feel the exact same way. Because, well, first of all, there's just so many things. I mean, Yang, I feel like is a very complex character. um What is their age difference? Because she's like, she looks the same in that picture with young Sean.
00:12:40
Speaker
She does. I feel like as when you become like a super adult, if you will. Super adult. Like an adult that has all the responsibilities. feel like there's a point where your features don't really change that much.
00:12:53
Speaker
Yeah. I'm just like, oh she twenty was she Was she 30? yeah Was she? Yeah. She Math. 14 years older than. she is
00:13:03
Speaker
fourteen years older than James. Okay, so he so he would have been, what, probably 14? he old in that picture?
00:13:16
Speaker
Well, I would guess if... Which Young Sean is it? That's a good question, too.
00:13:24
Speaker
Yeah, because current Young Sean is probably like 10. current young sean its probably like ten But then we get one that I feel like is like 12, 14.
00:13:38
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Okay. It is the other one. Okay. Is it? i guess it is. There's like, I'm looking at two different pictures and in one it looks like younger one and in the other one it looks like- I wonder if they show it twice and they show it once while where we have one Sean and once while we have the other Sean. And then they just like, cause it's clearly Photoshopped. Like maybe they just changed it.
00:14:01
Speaker
im that I'm going to send them to you. Cause I
00:14:06
Speaker
tell me if I'm crazy here. Okay. I will tell you.
00:14:12
Speaker
Oh my god, I just saw your gif. That is perfect. It did work. Okay, let me see. do did do i feel like that is what happened. Oh, there are two different Johns. Yes, that is two different Johns.
00:14:30
Speaker
She is the same. Are you seeing the whole... Okay. That's my whole search. I don't know. Because now Google shows you just like... it just You don't go to the picture, you know? Yes. so I wasn't sure if I was sending you the whole search results or specific one. But yeah.
00:14:45
Speaker
Okay. So two... So could go either way. But he's probably like... Maybe he is like 13. Yeah. yeah So she would be like 30. Okay. Okay.
00:14:58
Speaker
okay And they're in like a storage facility. Well. Which is weird. Remember, they're actually in front of her house. I don't remember, honestly. I feel like I definitely getting to the later seasons and again, skipping.
00:15:16
Speaker
Since in my comfort watches, I don't always watch these ones. that's um I feel like Yang... Yes. 3 and 2D, is that what it is? I feel like that, or Yin, whatever it is.
00:15:30
Speaker
That one I've definitely seen the least. Yes. I've maybe actually you're seen it like twice, I feel like. Okay. But, i mean, doesn't it look like they're in like a file room?
00:15:40
Speaker
No, yeah. so So the thing that they find out is that the background has been... Oh, okay. And that's why in this other one... Correct.
00:15:53
Speaker
There's no background. There's no background. Okay. Yeah. And then what we... and don't really remember this. Figure out... Somehow, I don't remember. period right I know. Somehow we figure out that in reality they were in front of her house and he was like riding his bike past or something when she took a picture with him.
00:16:11
Speaker
But... So weird. Well, thank you. Yeah. My question with her is always like, did she know him beforehand? And like... know all of these things about him and therefore wanted to take a picture it doesn't seem like she shows up at least in in what we know of her and sean's life it doesn't seem like she shows up again until then well hold on she apparently yang was first active in 1995 when six people were killed could that have been the year in which
00:16:42
Speaker
Yang took that picture with Sean? Wait, say that again. I was just going to look up if we know like when her murders were. ninety ninety five 1995. Six murders in that first cycle.
00:16:57
Speaker
So could that have been the year that her and Sean... like took the picture and maybe she like found out about henry like maybe henry was on the force and she like knew henry was that's what i'm wondering if like it came it started with henry like if she already had a relationship with the police department in that she was playing her games with them maybe she would have known which And, well, in this episode, we see that she's willing to go after family members.
00:17:28
Speaker
Right. Maybe it was, like, in her back pocket of, like... Maybe. Having, like, getting know this Yeah. Like, could serve her at some point if she hadn't. Right.
00:17:41
Speaker
And then... I'm thinking down the line, maybe it's like, well, now she's still living in Santa Barbara and now he's in the papers. Yeah. And she recognizes him.
00:17:52
Speaker
And now she's like, ah, yes, my most honorable foe. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I, I mean, the way we see her in this episode, just being like, how she's just like everywhere and like just listening, you know, um hu so i one of my favorite little ah lines, it makes it sound so important. when She's like, when she's like that in a corner booth and it's like, he just, she's just like, she's like Sean and that she's yes absorbing it all and using it all against you.
00:18:23
Speaker
um So she could have observed those training sessions that they were doing. She could have seen sean like with the hats and whatnot. and yeah And then like for him to, for her to witness him but becoming a detective o and see that he was getting into the position where she could challenge him or play her game with him.
00:18:51
Speaker
Right. Um, yeah i guess that makes sense yeah i mean i wouldn't even be surprised i mean santa barbara's not that big of a town right not that big yeah i wouldn't be surprised if like she just happened to be in the restaurant but when they were doing the hats thing yeah and then that like made her interested in henry and sean and the family and everything and then maybe she became a little obsessive.
00:19:20
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, she clearly, kind of like Mary, how, like, she does her research. She knows so much, like, so many little details. Yes. Like, she has to be paying attention and probably just, like, in the world and listening to people and kind of like Sean does.
00:19:38
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I think maybe that's why Sean was so good at her game. Because they really are alike.
00:19:49
Speaker
Some of the first murders happened around the time they graduated high school. Not quite the time that
00:19:58
Speaker
she would have taken the picture with Sean. But maybe she could have still been keeping tabs on them. Yes, I would say maybe she was just keeping tabs.
00:20:14
Speaker
And honestly... If she knew she was going to do something like that one day, maybe she wanted to know who she was up against before yeah started murdering people, you know?
Yang's Complexity and Motivations
00:20:28
Speaker
Well, because, yeah, because that's her MO was to call out a specific yeah person. So she would have to know that they were worthy. Right. I don't really remember all the yin stuff.
00:20:42
Speaker
Like, was he killing before? on
00:20:48
Speaker
I don't think... I don't really remember the Yin stuff very well either. The only thing I remember is that... groomed her to do it, right? Yeah, there's like accomplices. Yeah, because I think he groomed her and then the next person who we see in the episode. So I wonder if he's more of like a...
00:21:07
Speaker
mastermind behind the killing not the one actually doing the killing well but when he does come out like mary knows him too and knows his methods how like yang is all order yin is chaos or right he does say yeah he does go into something like that well i guess we'll see when we get there yeah and is yang actually yin's daughter Well, she calls him dad. Okay, that's what I was thinking, but I don't remember so well.
00:21:44
Speaker
Yeah, she calls him dad. So I think we're led to believe. I mean, I don't know if in reality there they are, but... She, like, disappoints him, right? And so he finds somebody else?
00:21:57
Speaker
Yes, yes.
00:22:00
Speaker
Okay. Well, we'll get there when we get there.
00:22:05
Speaker
Hopefully nobody was spoiled in that conversation. I feel like everyone knows what this podcast is by now.
00:22:15
Speaker
It's Spoil City. Okay. Okay. So we do. i'm Sorry. I'm now I'm just like skipping around the the wikis for these episodes. So in Yang 3 in 2D, that is the flashback. In 1990, Sean rides his bike down a normal suburban street. and He rides past the road loading groceries from the back of her car and it's Yang. So So we do get that flashback, but not until the end, yeah which I feel like I like that, you know, like it's a yeah reveal.
00:22:47
Speaker
Yeah. And I do wonder, you know, I always wonder like how much, how far ahead they're thinking. Yes. When they're writing these episodes.
00:22:58
Speaker
I mean, they definitely are writing it like there's more. Right. um But I'm just curious. And maybe if we listen to the psychologist episodes, they'll touch on that. But I mean, they do pick a symbol for this killer that is represents a duality. So right they could have totally been thinking like there is a yin.
00:23:23
Speaker
Right. Although they also call her the yin yang killer in this episode. Right. Right. Of course, nobody knows. anything about her or them correct at this point um but i also felt like at the at the end when she and sean are talking and he says like because i'm your yin and don't know if i'm projecting but i feel like feel like maybe there's something in yang's face where she knows that there is a yin
00:23:57
Speaker
Like, almost... Yeah. yeah that like yeah Which would suggest, you know, that they had that in mind at this time. um Yeah. i Well, I mean, I think... Up until this point... Psych being, you know, Santa Barbara and Psych being the murder capital murder capital of the world. It really is kind of astounding that we haven't gotten... Like a big serial killer something.
00:24:24
Speaker
Yeah, well, I remember in our first episode... Our first episode, our first season. Yes. The hotline episode, that is a serial killer, but it doesn't have the gravitas. Yes. This does.
00:24:36
Speaker
Yes. Even though, I mean, it's just, it's amazing how they're, what they're able to achieve with like tone. Yes. Because that episode, like five people die. Like it's like, right yeah nothing scoff at. I completely forgot about that. Right? But it's like, it doesn't, it's just like a murder of the week episode.
00:24:54
Speaker
That's how it feels. That's how it's presented. Whereas this is like, Yeah. Like this is a big freaking deal. Well, and I think too, this has all of the hallmarks, if you will, of a serial killer when people think of like serial killer proper.
Unique Serial Killer Portrayal
00:25:13
Speaker
Like that episode was very much like we are killing multiple people. Zodiac. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, letters from Zodiac, clues, like twists and turns and all this stuff. The Hotline episode is more just like, we are going to kill lots of people.
00:25:29
Speaker
And the boys just happen to be involved in figuring out like who that person is. It doesn't have quite the same... Well, I wonder if that's a more of an accurate representation of what like a typical serial killer actually is, where they're just a very deeply disturbed person.
00:25:46
Speaker
Yes. um Whereas this, you know, there's like a very like Hollywood type serial killer. Yes. More akin to how the Zodiac was experienced,
00:26:02
Speaker
h um where they are just like these brilliant yes masterminds. Yes. Which don't know that that's like.
00:26:13
Speaker
how we, how, what we typically see in real life, but on TV we see it all the time. Yes. Yes. Which I think makes it feel in this episode more,
00:26:29
Speaker
more impactful, Cause that's like what you're, what you're waiting for. You're waiting for like the clues and the twists and the turns and the, yeah. Well, and just the, like the tension that they build and the music and the, yeah, heightening and like,
00:26:44
Speaker
To see Sean,
00:26:49
Speaker
like that kind of dramatic acting that we see, which we don't often see. Yes. And. I know there are a couple of episodes, a couple of ah moments in this episode where I'm like, oh, like when he like bangs on the desk, I'm like, my God.
00:27:07
Speaker
And then when he's like in the car with her and you can tell is like shaken
00:27:13
Speaker
It's so serious. It's like, it's so intense. Yeah. And yeah, like, you know we've talked, to we have referred a lot to the sort of notion in this episode that Sean um has Gus be silly because he needs
Gus's Comedic Relief
00:27:35
Speaker
that.
00:27:35
Speaker
Yes. um and But I thought it was really interesting that like, or I did not recall that he frames it as like, this is what everybody needs. Yes. I didn't either. As a service.
00:27:46
Speaker
Yeah. I think I was just like, no one's laughing. It's okay. Inside. Yeah. But it's like, so interesting that he, and I feel like that's very Sean too. It's like, he doesn't want to be someone who needs something, but it's like, in order for him to manage this intensity it's like he needs that tension to be let out by Gus being ridiculous and it's so i was like cracking up when Gus did the plane the plane was so good my husband was like you've seen this like pen time what are you doing you're like it's funny every time I'm opening it
00:28:34
Speaker
Yeah, and i love the like, every time after Gus has done something, like he goes over to Sean, Sean's like, good job, buddy. Yeah. Right on par.
00:28:45
Speaker
Are you kidding me? That was a home run. can use some props now. I know. so okay And I mean, to be fair, it does, it does genuinely seem like at least a tiny bit.
00:29:02
Speaker
Gus breaks the tension and it's a little bit better. Like, I don't remember. Even for as the viewers. Yes. I mean, that's how we stay in psych. Yeah. then And there this episode gets very intense.
00:29:15
Speaker
I mean, very fast. I think of, like, when they're in the office and we see the girl in the picture, like, gagged and tied to a chair. like And she's, like, big-eyed and terrifying.
00:29:27
Speaker
And then...
Sean's Tactical Strategy
00:29:28
Speaker
you know, they find her and she's like passed out in the chair. And then we find out Maddie's been taken. it Like it's all, it's very. Yeah. And that, I always feel like when I watch this episode, I wish that the time between.
00:29:44
Speaker
i know. Sean, like having his outburst and calling them lasted a little bit longer. Like, because he like. You know, i feel like that is super clever of him to, like, go off like that on them. And he really convinces everybody that he is taking a step back.
00:30:07
Speaker
And that allows yeah him to be in control for a minute. Right. Right. But... it all like it just is it lasts pretty much as long as but like just a couple minutes until he sees like yeah her car and then he calls him he's like look for her car and i almost i wish he was like working under the radar a little bit longer i feel like i always crave that with this episode but maybe if it were like a movie you'd you'd have the time yeah um because then it has to escalate with maddie right um But I guess as long as Yang gets the memo that he has done this, then that allows for the story to progress.
00:30:48
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Well, and it seems like she she pretty quickly takes her sights off of Sean, or at least seems to take her sights off of Sean in order to target Lasseter. But really.
00:30:59
Speaker
but it's just a way to get him back. Right. It's just a ruse. Yeah. it I mean, it's compelling to watch. It's quite the chess match between the two of them. And question.
00:31:12
Speaker
So the final scene is at the drive-thru, but the drive-thru is referenced in the newspaper with the guinea pig, gerbil, hamster?
00:31:26
Speaker
Hamster, I think. Small rodent. Sure. So do we think that that was... circumstance or do we think she always kind of intended to kidnap someone and bring them there but maybe this was just she just kidnapped Maddie and brought Maddie there instead of like maybe she was going to bring the girl there maybe yeah maybe she did have the intent of that being her finale I also wonder like do you think she always meant to get like her her intention was always to get caught um
00:32:05
Speaker
That's a great question. i kind of feel like yes, because she has all of these ideas about what's going to happen next. Yeah. write a book. And she has – mean, I don't really remember, but, like, she has tension with Yin.
00:32:19
Speaker
Yes. Like, it's ah she is – on the surface, she is doing what she does. what she's been trained to do right that's interesting too sean is also oh my he's been trained to do this by her fought by their fathers no less fathers maybe that also resonated with her like at that time if she yeah did sort of just catch on to this and observe them and knowing like probably paying attention to henry as a police officer and like
00:32:51
Speaker
ah keeping tabs on them and then like seeing how he was training Sean. They, you're right. They were both groomed by their fathers to be the, each other's perfect foes. Yeah.
00:33:04
Speaker
That's kind of, yeah, that's kind of, but I do wonder if like, she was never like, if this was her way of getting out,
00:33:19
Speaker
I think so. Yeah. It feels like it. Like, this was her grand finale kind of a thing. Like, if it was going to be anyone, it was going to be Sean. h Her yin, if you will, in this my kit in this situation.
00:33:34
Speaker
Yeah. And yin, like, this would allow her to be, like, sort of protected from yin. Right. And on this, like,
00:33:48
Speaker
Appearances would suggest that it wasn't on purpose, you know, other than like the fact that she is very good. And so how did she not get away with it? But like, well, that begs another question.
Yang's Deeper Strategy?
00:34:05
Speaker
Did she let Sean find her? I think, yeah.
00:34:11
Speaker
Well, I mean, oh gosh, that scene.
00:34:16
Speaker
When is in the car and he like has the realization and she he stands up and she just looks over like, oh my God.
00:34:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:32
Speaker
I, yeah. Everything about it is just like.
00:34:37
Speaker
chef's kiss like yeah it's very good it's incredible oh yes the tension like the the red herring of the shadow in the light and yes lassie and jules being over there and gus going over there and like where's sean like oh my gosh he's one step ahead of us and like sean being alone And just going over and then everybody kind of watching Sean from where they are and seeing that he is going there and then know and like everybody just knowing like that's yeah's where Yang is and knowing that this has been going on for 20 plus years that they don't know who this person is and like, like how climactic for everybody.
00:35:20
Speaker
Yes.
00:35:23
Speaker
Yeah. ah Yeah, that whole sequence is really great um because they all, I mean, they all separate in the beginning when they get into the movie theater. I love Sean jumping on the cars yeah to try and find Maddie. We see Henry get there to also try and find Maddie.
00:35:41
Speaker
um And we see that, like you said, everyone's kind of on different pages, like doing different things. But I love that henry and sean although kind of on different pages are on the same page like henry sees sean and immediately it's like yes he found maddie and goes over and i i love when sean's like dad get down and henry's immediately like on the ground like just looking hiding because he doesn't want anyone to see him and yeah and there's a couple really good lines in those that scene too i love when um yeah he sees the laser and immediately realizes that it's not a sniper and he pulls off the tape from maddie's mouth and she goes it's a decoy and he goes i know mom i see that i'm like oh he is so he's so good at what he does i know and then henry henry being like maddie i know i'm here sweetie i'm here sweetheart it's sweetheart it's like
00:36:36
Speaker
Henry and like this culmination for them you know they've been playing this game this whole time yeah and then they share a little kiss like wow and I mean the the theme we've been talking about of like the past and the future kind of beings too i know not to get too far into that but we do see that with henry here too like yes yes they get to rekindle that and actually it applies to yang because this he sean is her past yes in a way like they have this relationship even though he didn't know that yes yes but yeah she she definitely has a
00:37:17
Speaker
Her younger self has a connection with Sean. Yeah. Childhood Sean, in a way.
Yang's Independence from Yin
00:37:23
Speaker
And now she's coming back to that. And we find out later, oh my gosh, we find out later that Yang, too, like she she presents very childlike when she's with the yin.
00:37:37
Speaker
Very like okay, daddy, like whatever you need, you know? So she also is clearly like regressing and has a lot of trauma going on there too. So maybe even this from her standpoint is her deciding that she no longer wants to be in that childhood frame of mind, following Yin and doing all the things that he tells her to do. She's making her own choice.
00:38:02
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. yeah, forward towards, I don't know if you can call her towards it adulthood. I'm not sure. But yeah, I feel like she's a different path. That childlike energy, like all the time too.
00:38:16
Speaker
But, but it is interesting, like for her, because if we are looking at like Sean and Henry, like all both choosing sort of the past in a way, not in like a bad way, but just in they are choosing a past thing.
00:38:29
Speaker
Yeah. In, you know, Maddie and Abigail and then Yang. choosing the past in a way that like frees her, like to go back to this person who she has this long history with. Maybe, you know, maybe this is like her longest relationship other than Yin, you know? Like yeah she probably doesn't have a lot of connections with people.
00:38:57
Speaker
um And that she uses that to escape kind of Yin. Mm-hmm. yen Like, wow. Yeah. What a story.
00:39:08
Speaker
Yes. We'll end. I think it'll be interesting to see next season. Where we kind of go, you know, like, is Yin going to almost be like a, like foreshadowing, if you will, for the next season of like, will, I mean, kind of, everyone's going to kind of go back their past in order to move towards the future.
00:39:36
Speaker
hmm. in order to escape towards the future as yeah yeah true yeah a step ahead in that way yeah ah yeah well oh because then at the end of next season
00:39:53
Speaker
we've got i really don't want to spoil that one but we kind of have at the end of of oh is it the end of next season i always get the three yin yangs i know One of them, ah Abigail and Jules, like, again, Sean is forced. next one. It's the next one. Forced to decide between the past and the present, and Abigail's like, I don't want to do this anymore.
00:40:13
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, and I think we talked about that a bit in the ah Bueller murder anyone yes yeah episode.
00:40:25
Speaker
um Yeah, talk about being in an impossible position. so my God. As he's in now. And then the next one,
00:40:35
Speaker
It's like two impossible positions and he can't be in both places.
00:40:42
Speaker
But yeah, what I do love about that is that Abigail is ultimately the one to decide. h As she should. Yes. Yeah. We're all over the place. I love how we said we were going to be feet by feet.
00:40:57
Speaker
I don't want to miss anything. so i'm like I know. Okay, so we're there was no flashback. That's as far as we got. Oh my gosh. oh And we're at lunch slash breakfast.
00:41:10
Speaker
Like a brunch, if you will. And the boys are sitting down at a proper meal, which I feel like is rare for us to see. although. We're usually eating food on the go.
00:41:22
Speaker
It is... a suggested that they do this often enough for but Sean to do this bit with all waitresses and waiters.
00:41:33
Speaker
Yes. Which is, I also think, kind of funny. That Sean just has a running bit with waitresses and waiters. It is. We haven't seen, I feel like, Flirty Sean in a while.
00:41:45
Speaker
No. Not since the beginning of season one. It is funny because like whenever Flirty Sean arrives, it's like... typical flirty shot which like we really don't see it that much but it's like that's part of his well and maybe it's just that we see it so much with jewels that yeah it almost like becomes synonymous but you're right yeah maybe and and no like knowing that you know she's like the long game right it's not really it doesn't seem the same correct but i love the
00:42:19
Speaker
line here where Gus where he goes to Gus is being very critical of Sean continuing to do this bit and that like he needs to stop doing that or whatever and then he's like okay you want to see Sirius or whatever and and he starts calling and Gus is like oh what Juliet that's as tired as the waitress bit so I love that he sees it you're right he does see it like that Yeah.
00:42:49
Speaker
Like he's just flirting absently with Jules all the time.
00:42:55
Speaker
Well, and I i wonder, would love to see, i would love to hear Gus's take at this point in time on Sean and his romantic relationships.
Gus's Perception of Sean's Relationships
00:43:08
Speaker
Like, does he think that Sean is ultimately going to end up with Julia and they're both just like being ridiculous? Does he think that like Abigail is the right fit? For Sean.
00:43:22
Speaker
Does he think it's somebody else? Does he think Sean? Like, you know what i mean? Because sometimes I think you're the people who know you best can sometimes see the situation a little bit more objectively.
00:43:33
Speaker
So I wonder if Gus is like, oh, no. Yeah. Like, it's going to happen one day. Or is it more like this? Okay, you're just playing around and you're never actually going to be serious. So cut it out. Yeah.
00:43:47
Speaker
Yeah, it's hard because like I... I'm remembering the moment where Gus brings her to brings Juliet to the football game and so that she can watch and his little like smile like, you see you see my boy here? um but But I do kind of feel like...
00:44:08
Speaker
I wonder if Gus would even dare to guess. Dare to assume that he might be able to guess what sean Is going to do, you know, because he is so like he can be so flighty.
00:44:28
Speaker
Yes. And.
00:44:31
Speaker
He is kind of giving him like he's giving him a hard time about that. um the flightiness yeah when it comes yeah women but then when it is when it becomes clear that who he is calling this is like are you sure and so maybe he's just also not thinking like that like sean is ready for so for anything yeah seeing sean the way he does right yeah because i guess for me this scene
00:45:03
Speaker
And maybe it's just that Abigail has been like a longer, not a longer term thing, but a the idea of Abigail has been in their lives for longer. So maybe it feels more impactful. But in the conversation between Sean and Gus, it felt to me like Abigail was more impactful than Jules, like calling Jules and asking Jules out on a date.
00:45:28
Speaker
was less of a big deal as calling Abigail and asking Abigail out on a date. Yeah, I do think that's true. But I also... Yeah, I don't... I guess my issue is I don't know why because I feel like watching the show, it is definitely presented as Juliet being more of the big deal.
00:45:48
Speaker
Yeah, but I guess he does do that with her a lot. Whereas Abigail, he... I see. Shut the book on it. Like, in that... In the... um at the reunion you know I think we talked about like how not choosing is a choice in a way like and what he did was say like well I guess that's closure like he didn't He did have that unfinished business, but... And he was so serious about her. Like, he was so... You know, that was, like, a whole thing. It was, like, it was too serious. And he couldn't even go on that date with her because it was, like, he knew it was going to be different if he did.
00:46:28
Speaker
Right. And so maybe, like, the the fact of... if he can ask Jules out a million times but they are and Jules is also not entertaining it so Gus is probably also witnessing that right um but like for Sean to willingly go toward that future that he himself says like I know it's going to be different like this is going to change everything right like that's a big deal Right.
00:46:57
Speaker
And you you say all that. And I think like to go back to something that he feels like he ended or closed or pushed to the side. So maybe for Gus, it's like you're really willing to open up that can of worms again. Like, are you really willing to do all of that to yourself again? Yeah. And I wonder what Gus thought like at the time, like.
00:47:21
Speaker
because Oh, in high school? Or yeah even just at the reunion. For him to shut the book on it. like Was that an act of cowardice? Or an act of maturity? That's a good question. Gus maybe could have looked at that and been like, typical Sean. He's not going to do it again.
00:47:41
Speaker
Right. like Now he is.
00:47:44
Speaker
Yeah. And but i mean he follows it through. And I wonder... So we were talking last episode about how things have, maybe things have changed at the end of being at Camp Tikihama.
00:48:01
Speaker
Yeah. It's so weird to think that's where we came from. I know. It's such a. It feels like two totally different worlds. What a couple weeks for them. Yeah. Oh my. Yeah. For real. Especially if they're backto- back to back. Oh.
00:48:12
Speaker
Yeah. That's really intense. That's another serial killer. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Different kind. Yeah. Again, different tone. They're able to achieve so much with vibes.
00:48:27
Speaker
They are with vibes alone. But yeah, so it felt like last episode, maybe things we talked about things changing for Jules, but maybe things have kind of changed for Sean, too. Maybe not as overtly as Jules by the end of this.
00:48:44
Speaker
But I mean, Sean takes a big risk here, too, in calling Abigail. Totally. so I mean, is all she is really she's important to him. So for him to take this step is is huge. like yeah Because he wouldn't want to hurt her again or fail her again.
00:49:03
Speaker
yeah um so he is serious. And maybe like you know Jules and Sean going through that together in the last episode and sort of both ending on that note, maybe for Jules it's like pushing her to sean and then to sean he's like jules is never going to come around to me maybe i should get serious about something that's possible or something like that hu just classic timing classic i know i know i wonder how gus has changed at the end of the episode
00:49:42
Speaker
I was thinking about that too. Like being at the finale, i feel like, good like in the after show and stuff of season two, like we were talking about Gus and his like personal and professional or like balancing his two jobs. I feel like that's where we kind of landed with him of what he was dealing with, which we don't really like see that too much. Except we did kind of in truer lies,
00:50:08
Speaker
um yes for ah like a blip at the end yeah for him like I mean getting being like I don't have time for this I'm going to do my real job we just bailed somebody out of jail for all of our money um somebody completely unreliable um and then and then that episode like the stakes get very high and then the next episode the stakes are very high and then the next so maybe it's like just how how serious Psyche is in his life is has changed.
00:50:45
Speaker
know I mean, i guess going into season four to see that if that continues or if hes if he still is like pushing, you know trying to be... ah and We do get a company car joke in this episode. We do.
00:51:01
Speaker
We do.
00:51:03
Speaker
So we I feel like we have had couple of really... like
00:51:09
Speaker
really clear or clearer kind of arcs throughout character arcs throughout the season like we have i think some pretty clear sean arcs some pretty clear jewels and henry arcs and some pretty clear lassie arcs i feel like we haven't there wasn't so much of gus i think that is valid okay I feel like part of which is weird right yeah I feel like part of the challenge with Gus is maybe just that like him and Sean are such a unit um he's just like like his arc kind of gets wrapped up in in Sean's arc maybe like something that I thought was really
00:51:53
Speaker
I'm moving, I guess, in this episode was like how, like, I feel like Gus was like a real emotional support Gus
Gus as Emotional Support
00:52:02
Speaker
in this episode. yeah Like it was really fascinating how, you know, we play with, or Sean makes a lot of jokes and plays with how like Gus is his like conduit and he's magic head and he needs to like, or in the, in, um,
00:52:22
Speaker
Tuesday 17th. Gus is the yin. He likes this right like the lights that lights the fire, whatever he said. And in this episode, we see several times where Sean, in an extremely vulnerable state,
00:52:40
Speaker
is like processing through Gus in a way like he multiple times he's like he'll say something to Gus like when he sees that the car is blue he's like Gus it's blue everybody's standing right there yeah this year with the group and he's like blue Gus and then Gus is like it's blue
00:53:02
Speaker
And then in the and in the hotel earlier when they see like, ah when Sean realizes he has or Yang has Madness, like Gus, he's got my mom. Like he says, he's saying it to Gus.
00:53:18
Speaker
Yes. Like, He is, everything is so heightened for Sean. It's like he can't process anything yes without Gus. Yes. Right there. Yes.
00:53:29
Speaker
Gus is really like his crutch in this episode. And then even in the last scene with the date, like... Gus has to be there. He is part of it.
00:53:40
Speaker
it is his company car. yeah yeah ah yeah Yeah. I thought that was kind of the most like noticeable thing it felt like for Gus. yeah But again, it's like it's also just like it's Sean's.
00:53:55
Speaker
wait Right, right. I wish it was a little bit more like, or this season at least, because it hasn't always been like this. But I wish that this season also had a little bit more like individual Gus, like what's happening for Gus in Gus's world.
00:54:09
Speaker
Yeah. Because I'm sure like even just taking on that emotional burden, if you will, that seems intense, but taking on that emotional pressure. It's also difficult on top of all the other pressures that Gus has, like keeping them financially afloat and, you know, his parents almost being murderers and all this other stuff, you know?
00:54:29
Speaker
so Yeah, we do get more, like, one-off episodes. But I do feel like, you know, like, with last year, Jules, you can kind of have an episode where they're the B-plot because they don't have to be with us all the time. They're not with Sean time, but Gus is. So it's like, it it is harder...
00:54:48
Speaker
like just narratively, like when it's a Gus thing, it's like his own episode that, and Sean is also working on that episode with Gus, like, like with his parents or with Joy.
00:55:00
Speaker
yeah I feel like what we are like needing is like Gus keeping secrets from Sean or something, or just like, because he is so in Sean's pocket It is hard to like extricate, but if he had his own things going on that Sean didn't know about, I feel like that would help. I was thinking another thing that we were kind of watching with Gus is his sense of self-worth.
Need for Gus's Individual Story
00:55:28
Speaker
the... and um yes the the sense that he has not lived up to his potential. Oh, yes.
00:55:40
Speaker
I think that's a big theme for him. I don't know that we really yeah got into it at all in these last couple of episodes. Yes. You know, maybe it's not the whole season. Maybe it's just like the t like the second half.
00:55:54
Speaker
Because I feel like through Christmas joy, from like ghosts through Christmas joy, so like half the first half of the season, We are getting like Gus.
00:56:07
Speaker
Yeah. Gus professional and personal life. Gus is a kid. Gus. h Like family dynamics and. And all of that. And then we get to like Lassie did a bad, bad thing. And then or where was the one was the bank? Oh, no, that was before Christmas Joy.
00:56:23
Speaker
Yeah. We get to Lassie did a bad, bad thing. And then we start to kind of focus on other things. Mm hmm. I guess, yeah, maybe I just wish there was a little bit more. Yeah.
00:56:36
Speaker
A little more guster.
00:56:40
Speaker
In Tuesday the seventeenth
00:56:44
Speaker
17th, we do have him keeping secrets from Sean, which is what I just said. That's true. But I feel like, yeah, it's not the same, like, like the inner workings. Yeah. It's not as introspective as some of the other stuff we're seeing.
00:57:01
Speaker
And I feel like maybe maybe the part of the thing for me is I feel like they're there could be like so many good things there. You know what mean? Like, because we talked we've talked a lot about like Sean and the the lack of trust that Gus sometimes has with Sean. And like we've talked about how Gus's family treats him. And like we've talked about the work and the personal dynamic. Like I feel like there could be
00:57:28
Speaker
But see, now as I begin to say that, I'm like, yeah, I was gonna say there could be more like ghosts episodes. But even that is like we have to all go follow a Gus story. Like you said, it's like, yeah, have this is what we're doing now.
00:57:41
Speaker
And that can't that can't be. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:46
Speaker
But I guess, I mean, that is kind of how how it works. Like, um in terms of an arc, like, I feel like that's what we feel like we're missing, you know? Like, Lassie had a clear sort of conclusion here where right he got his divorce. Like, that's a big, clear, like, yeah season finale on Lassie. Jewels.
00:58:08
Speaker
Jewels. We haven't even gotten there yet. Oh my God. Which like huge and and clear. um and yeah, Gus is, he's got stuff going on, but he's like, he is he's part he's so part of Sean's story. I feel like it's just, he doesn't really have his own start and end in the same way.
00:58:33
Speaker
Yeah. But at the same time, like, His and Sean's relationship it is so... Like, is the show in a lot of ways, too.
00:58:47
Speaker
Yes. So, like, some of these other things, like the romances and stuff, is more like side quests in some ways. quests. And then, like... But, like, Sean and Gus...
00:59:02
Speaker
as a duo, is, like, the center. Yes. Which we do think we get that. And we get, you know, we have moments of, like, Sean, you know, in Tuesday the 17th going to save Gus turns out to be the murderer.
00:59:20
Speaker
But, like, we get so we the emotion we're getting is, like, between them. um Yes. And I was also thinking, like, it's interesting, like, we don't spend time on it or anything, but, like,
00:59:33
Speaker
in this in yang like for sean's mom to be captured um like that's someone who's probably been a fixture in gus's life too like that's yeah probably impactful for him yeah i mean i think i think even if gus and maddie didn't have like
00:59:59
Speaker
of clear relationship anyway. I think just the idea of like your best friend's mom, anything happening to your best friend's mom is like freaky. Like it's too close to home, you know?
01:00:12
Speaker
So I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure that also had quite an impact on Gus. And maybe part of the reason why we didn't see it is just because Sean was like, you b you be the kook this episode. I can't handle it.
01:00:23
Speaker
Like you can't have any issues right now because I have all the issues. Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:31
Speaker
Yeah, in the beginning we do so see like Gus like pushing Sean. Like when he explains that he like that they need the tension breaking and like um when he has his outburst later and Gus is like, are you sure you want it?
01:00:47
Speaker
I guess that's kind of interesting to see Gus... you know wanting to stick with this yeah because it would be very gus like to be like let's get out of here yeah i don't want to do this yeah yeah um so that i in terms of like you know the arc of fearless guster too i feel like we're seeing that yeah that's good point him to In both episodes, I feel like they're such finale together. Yeah.
01:01:24
Speaker
But he is really coming through. ah Yeah, I mean, in this episode, really, without... I can't think of the word. I mean, he's he's not, you know, pushing back on Sean at all, really.
01:01:37
Speaker
He's like, are sure this is what you sure this is what you need? It's essentially the hardest pushback we get. And Sean's like, yes. And he makes a fool of himself over and over. I feel like of all of the ridiculous things that they've done, like him pretending to be King Kong is like not. It's like really not. Not at all, but. Yeah.
01:01:57
Speaker
in the situation yeah it's like a read the room kind of thing correct correct but i feel like i mean gus would do anything for sean and sean would do anything for gus you know so if if gus has got to make a fool of himself so that sean can you know have some semblance of peace and figure this out and save someone's life like he'll he'll do it you know yeah i've i've just had I just remembered how I feel like it was like season one. We talked about having a shirt that says this is a Gus episode. Yes! Which it holds.
01:02:32
Speaker
You know? Yes. We get our Gus episodes. I still want a Gus shirt with just merit badges of just all the things. We've added emotional support Gus. Yes. Getaway driver Gus.
01:02:45
Speaker
I know. Finance Gus. Is that a list we're keeping? Should be. We haven't done a body count. I don't. I... i yeah I know. You're piling up. I know. We're probably at like 40. I mean, who? Would we count the six from 1995? They're referenced.
01:03:02
Speaker
No, I don't think so. Okay. So then no one dies this episode. That's true. Which I feel like says a lot. Especially because she's a serial killer.
01:03:14
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like it says a lot about what her intentions were going in. Yeah. So that. That's true. And the way, switching gears again, but the way she's like, I want you to like me. I need you to like me. Yes.
01:03:28
Speaker
Like, and then the relationship they build over the next few years, it's like, It's so strange, but also, like, beautiful. Yes.
01:03:41
Speaker
Which, I mean, is that not this show? Yeah. Shall we talk about Jules? Sure.
01:03:51
Speaker
We have to at some point. We haven't even we barely even touched on Mary lately, which I feel like. I know. We'd have to spend some time on him, too. I was going to say one thing yeah with him. Yeah. Okay, let's talk about it first. When Gus doing his shenanigans, his vacant face is incredible. It's so good. Well, so my question, I wonder, do you think, so James Roday, James Roday, James Roday Rodriguez and Steve Franks.
01:04:24
Speaker
Who wrote this episode? Who's credited with writing this episode? Because they both wrote the the last up wrote the last episode. But I could also kind of see them like working together on this episode.
01:04:38
Speaker
Andy Berman and James. Oh, interesting. Okay. Let's see what Andy Berman's other credits are. on onsy Go ahead. Keep talking. Okay.
01:04:51
Speaker
Because I could see James being like, Jimmy, you're the long game here is we think it's you. And you've got to be as creepy as freaking possible.
01:05:06
Speaker
Be a serial killer, Jimmy. and Jimmy's like, done. Got it. Because that vacant, like, dead-eye stare yeah it's kind of like clive huh is yes very much like clive and i feel like that's part of what in the next time that we see yang or the next time that we question mark meet yin right um i think that's part of what makes it so convincing that it could be mary yeah but i feel like to make those choices
01:05:40
Speaker
in the beginning, like they, they would have had to have that kind of long game in mind. Well, I mean, Sean says immediately, i can see the killer. Right. but so i marry Right. So I guess my point is like, did they always know they must have right. Always known that Mary was going to be like the scapegoat because he's so killer esque.
01:06:04
Speaker
Yeah. Well, it is a really interesting and like Mary also, after watching Zodiac reminded me of, graysmith jake gyllenhaal um ah sure someone who just becomes obsessed with yes this which is which is creepy and weird in itself it's like you know like that's not a healthy obsession yeah yeah yeah it ruins his life in some ways um yeah and and it's like
01:06:37
Speaker
You know, I don't, i mean, I'm not making judgments about People love true crime and I feel like it's only gotten more and more popular. So, but, but Mary does take it to another level and it's his profession. And like he, I mean, even at the end when he, when he's just, I forget what he says, but.
01:06:59
Speaker
you know he said something about like you know good job or whatever and gus is like geez you don't have to get too excited mary we only just got the biggest serial killer santa barbara's ever seen or whatever yeah yeah sorry to fly if they handled guster
01:07:17
Speaker
but it's like he's disappointed well like he is yeah he has yeah and he has this like this obsession i mean that's like what's so tragic about his story in the next episode it's like he wants to he wants to get close to them like to yang yang like he is so invested in them it is his downfall yeah and i i mean i feel like for someone who does have that kind of
01:07:51
Speaker
Obsession, like, they would be a quirky person. Yeah. I feel like, you know, when i when I think of, like, my favorite characters on this show, in general, in life, it is always those, like...
01:08:11
Speaker
very they just feel very like authentic to themselves and like unique in their own kind of way and i feel like mary is that mary is freaking weird but he's himself he is and he's so passionate but just like it's it's wonderful to be around people who care that much about anything even if in his case it's these two yes yes and in the case of like jimmy simpson playing mary lightly he does a glorious job oh my gosh of playing this character like the physicality is so great with the handshakes oh my gosh i want to know the story of that yes that's something they worked out in rehearsal i like
01:08:53
Speaker
what I know that even just like the running with the ankle weights and like the flipping onto the train, like just so, so good. Some of the delivery of the lions. And I think the same thing about like Woody, when I think of Woody, just hysterical,
01:09:14
Speaker
like so unique and so interesting, but feels very authentic to this person, you know? Yeah. In this world of psych. Yes. Yes. Yeah, something that was funny about him, like, because he is so stone-faced when Gus would do stuff, but then, like, later, there's those moments where, like, when Sean and Gus have removed themselves, and Jules and Lassie are like, you know, this is very intense, and they're talking about the Civil War guy, and Mary's like, did you see Patrick Swayze in that whatever movie?
01:09:49
Speaker
Talk about Civil War buff, am I right? Yeah. Like he is, that's something that Gus would say in Breaking the Tension. yeah. yeah And like Mary, i mean, he sort of is also breaking the tension, but just in a way that's like so stoic. I don't know. He's just so funny.
01:10:11
Speaker
is. He's so great. A very unique way about him. Yes. Yeah, and it again, I think it makes it, like you said, sad in the next episode when all of that is then kind of used against him.
01:10:25
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And i mean, as much as they think it's him, like, I think there they're pretty devastated. Yeah.
01:10:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And then I love his return in the musical, but anyway. The musical. oh my gosh. I love it. Yeah. i feel like we haven't referenced the musical like at all yet.
01:10:50
Speaker
don't know how no we I we had, mean, we hadn't met Yang or Mary. Like there's such a big part of it. Yeah, that's true. oh my gosh that'll be a fun one yes i know we're gonna have to figure out where to put it yeah it's like it's slightly we tested yes scheming yes um another mary moment that i loved was just the back and forth about his name in the beginning oh my and my father's name is mary his father's is mary his father's name is greg
01:11:23
Speaker
and um And just like, they just like talking about something else. What's Mary short for? it Marion? Marion. No. yeah And then continue talking about something else.
01:11:35
Speaker
Doesn't explain, just no.
01:11:41
Speaker
Yeah, it's so good. Or even like i one of one of the of the beats that always stands out to me is when they're with the hamster cage and Mary goes like right through the grates of the hamster cage and he's looking at like I love.
01:11:55
Speaker
Yeah. Such a good choice. It's so interesting like Mary being the expert. Yes. And I wrote down his title. Yeah.
01:12:09
Speaker
our profiler from the serial homicide and abduction task force ah that sounds very official yeah so he it's interesting because like they are kind of his life in a way but he also presumably has other cases right he is just he's a profiler right that they have um
01:12:35
Speaker
That would have been fun. I would have loved to see Mary on like other little cases. Yeah, it would have been interesting to bring him back. I mean, I guess by not doing that, like they really they do add the mystery.
01:12:45
Speaker
Yes. Potential. Um,
01:12:51
Speaker
Yeah, I do like how they, it's kind of like in Tuesday the 17th, how like Sean knows what what movie he's in, you know? Like he sees Mary and he's like, that's the guy. Like I have seen this movie before. Yes. yeah um and then And I like how they say that right at the get-go and then it's not. And then they push you to the point where like it really could be and then it's really not.
01:13:17
Speaker
Yeah. um Like that that's very... clever and effective yes and near and sad i know mary oh well he takes the hamster i'm pretty sure he has that hamster in the next one yeah in his house i'm pretty sure yeah which i love the idea of mary being an animal lover yeah like he's just seen too many too many bad things in the world so he just loves all the animals you know sweet yeah
01:13:51
Speaker
Oh, Mary. I'm just thinking about the next one. I'm like, oh, Mary. know. Oh, don't go. i know. I do just want to just because we really hammered home a couple episodes ago about Sean's fake ID.
01:14:06
Speaker
i just want to say it makes a reappearance. Oh, funny. then like urgent all of them forcing it for it and he just the way he even does it looks like so like please please so silly oh so good another thing i wanted to mention not a merry thing but fascinating that maddie did not tell sean she was in town i always think that yeah we we've talked a bit about maddie and her like
01:14:41
Speaker
I just feel like motherhood is not like her, her primary role in the world, which yes. You know, that's totally fine, but it is interesting.
01:14:53
Speaker
And, and like how Sean like built her up so much as like, and like how how her absence allows him to do that. Whereas Henry's presence allows him to like blame everything on him.
01:15:05
Speaker
Right. um Yeah. that was just really interesting.
01:15:12
Speaker
Yes. I think, yeah. So speaking of the whole like building her up and not building Henry up as much.
Family Dynamics and Targeting Maddie
01:15:21
Speaker
Yang took Maddie, I feel like, because it has a huge impact.
01:15:28
Speaker
Do we think that Henry would have had the same impact
01:15:34
Speaker
as Maddie or more or less of an impact if Yang had taken him?
01:15:41
Speaker
Wow, that's really hard to like... It's like, you know, choosing between children. I feel like it would have been sort of the same. I mean, I don't think... Can he love one more than the other? I don't know.
01:15:57
Speaker
I feel like... I mean, he definitely portrays himself caring about Maddie more than he cares about sure. and But I do think in in reality, i think if something...
01:16:09
Speaker
happened to Henry. I mean, we we will see it later, although they'll have grown even more at that point. But, like, when Henry gets shot, like, that's
01:16:21
Speaker
an incredibly serious, impactful thing for Sean. um And feel like, I mean, he, yeah, he goes... off the wall in that episode.
01:16:36
Speaker
Like when he goes after those guys in Santa Barbara town. Oh. Yeah. And like, he like goes... He's, yeah.
01:16:47
Speaker
I think for as much... Because Henry might die, right? Yes. He's been like shot. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't, like, Henry might not make it. Like, and you see how...
01:16:58
Speaker
Like, Sean, I feel like he loses all, like... Yes. He's, like, ravenous. He is. yeah Yeah. He's, like... Answers to no one. Yes. Yes.
01:17:09
Speaker
Well, because I think for a really long time, the only person he's ever answered to or had to answer to is Henry. And now Henry's gone. So it's like, you you killed my dad. pick her up.
01:17:20
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No holds barred. Like... Yeah. Who do you think you are? Yeah. And, I mean, had...
01:17:31
Speaker
I think he probably would have reacted similarly if Maddie was in, like, you know, had something happen and she was in ICU or something. Like, I don't... I think he might... He would probably do a similar thing.
01:17:43
Speaker
I do wonder if Yang... No offense to Maddie, but she is... more bookish like i wonder if yang just felt like that was an easier target that's then yeah capturing a police officer a former police officer yeah and hen i mean henry who she's probably watched like true um maybe considered an opponent as well and she's not playing her games with henry she's playing it with sean so like right um
01:18:14
Speaker
Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, maybe adding Henry into the mix would have overcomplicated things. That's true. Yeah, because then it's like she's playing two games and that might be like more... It's just like not what she's doing right now.
01:18:30
Speaker
Right. Yeah. it just I guess it's just interesting to think because I feel like we've talked so much about how um Henry is really the present parent and yet Sean...
01:18:43
Speaker
seems to really like idolize maddie far more or have a much kinder interpretation of maddie than he does of henry um but i don't know kind of feel like when it comes right down to it as much as he has a hard time with henry like henry was the one who was always there you know um So would it, you know, when when push came to shove, would it feel different to Sean? I don't know.
01:19:15
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah. We've been putting it off. I feel like we need to about Jules. Oh, should we get into it? I feel like we have to. Jules. It... I... Almost cry every time I watch this scene.
01:19:32
Speaker
I do... it Before we even get into that scene, they have an interesting arc in the whole episode. They do. That's true. They do. yeah i mean... For his outburst, I think we talked about that like yes a bit.
01:19:45
Speaker
um We have talked about it a bit, but like he specifically yells at Jules and says, when a serial killer calls you out, like that like he really plays into her.
Sean's Strategic Outburst
01:20:02
Speaker
Which is interesting when you consider the fact that he's faking all of this. Yeah. But maybe that is right. Part of it. Like that is you like, he wouldn't do that easily.
01:20:20
Speaker
So like, it is very convincing. Yeah. Yeah. No, he, yeah. He almost has to make a jab at someone.
01:20:32
Speaker
And I guess he chooses Jules cause he knows Jules maybe we'll take it more seriously. um in order to make it seem real yeah and everybody in that room yeah would take it seriously like he yells it he might yell at lassie all the time like it would or he would give lassie shit all the time so right it's probably not as impactful as when he's like and just like so sweet with jewels right right no yeah To them be like, cut the shit, essentially. Yeah. Like, and and yeah, for her to be, I mean, the way I think she says like, does she say she's disappointed?
01:21:15
Speaker
Or I can't believe what I'm hearing something? Yes, I think it's I can't believe what I'm hearing. um and and then the way she looks at him yeah when they leave it's like yeah like you're not the person I thought you were yeah which is a really interesting like rehearsal yes of her finding out she's not I mean it's interesting because I feel like It's like what they say, and I feel like what is true about kids and their moms.
01:21:43
Speaker
Like, you will be your meanest to your mom because you know that they'll forgive you for it. Sure. And I feel like maybe there's a little bit of that, too. Like, he knows that him and kids will recover. Yeah.
01:21:59
Speaker
But, yeah, it's interesting to think that, like, if if he is... does feel that way that they will recover knowing how cataclysmically horrible their future rift will be. know. I mean, they do recover after that too, but like... Yes.
01:22:20
Speaker
I wonder if he does, like...
01:22:24
Speaker
If he knows her well enough yet to know how... Like the side of her that could like cut him off. oh yeah I feel like no because he I feel like he doesn't know anything about that piece of her life like ah the piece of her life like with her dad and cutting off her dad almost entirely and um and yeah just the just the possibility of that being something that she could do yeah because I mean we've
01:23:03
Speaker
talked about it a lot but even in that the like the sliding doors of it all of like him having this other fantasy version where she like just forgives him like yeah in some ways Jules does seem like the kind of person who would just you know she's very she's sweet she's like nice yeah you know she does you might at face value think like she would but There's ah very like, I don't know what the right word would be like and like, decisive or like, there is kind of a cutting streak to her too that we don't see as much.
01:23:43
Speaker
um Yeah. So. Yeah, I feel like it's a part of her that she holds pretty close to her chest.
01:23:53
Speaker
Because she she does...
01:23:56
Speaker
come off and she is very much so like a kind generous thoughtful understanding person but it seems like she's one of those people that you know gets gets to a point and then she's like we're there's no more like this is it and we know yeah yeah and and it seems like it's a pretty hard limit and we know that from seeing the entire series and and knowing the arc with her dad the story with her dad that a lot of it is centered around lying but that doesn't mean that she couldn't also reach that limit with something else maybe the tolerance is just a little bit higher so you know maybe with something like this where you know he kind of jabs at her the maybe the tolerance or the threshold is a little bit higher in the sense that like
01:24:51
Speaker
she understands he's under a lot of pressure and like this is a very stressful situation and maybe she can kind of explain it away so the I think in the moment she probably is pretty hurt I don't know like we never see them like talk about how he was that was him playing the game No, yeah. I don't think she knows at all that he was essentially lying in that instance.
01:25:17
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I feel like at some point it might become apparent because he is continuing to investigate once they leave. Well, but I could see them or I could see that all being kind of muddied because he calls them, but they were also about to call him.
01:25:32
Speaker
Yeah. So maybe they were just like, oh, it's a psychic thing. Yeah. like yeah that's true right not that he because that's also something thinking about it right that's also something that we don't get very much in this episode he doesn't pull the psychic card like at all this episode yeah he doesn't really just go like i divined it yeah he pretty much walks them step by step one very interesting psychic moment i wrote down oh yes sort of again shifting gears a little bit but yes with abigail at the end um
01:26:07
Speaker
about butter or something he's like yes i sensed that you might which I felt like was so interesting. He is like actively being a fake psychic for her.
01:26:17
Speaker
Yes. Which again, it's like, Sean, you can't, you can't build these relationships on your lie. But I, yeah. so I thought that was very interesting.
01:26:29
Speaker
um
01:26:32
Speaker
but That's interesting too, because is that it's at the very end. And we've talked a lot about like, we've talked a few times about how, At the end of episodes, we do kind of have to come like back to psych, like back to the normalcy.
01:26:45
Speaker
That feels very much like a, okay, we're back to normal again. sensed you would like the butter. sensed you would like the, you know what I mean? yeah And then a goofy thing with Gus in the car and okay, we're all good. This is scary, but it's all right.
01:26:57
Speaker
I do feel like Jules would, receive it's almost like the lines of like lying versus undercover. you know like i feel like Jules would respect what he was doing.
01:27:10
Speaker
yeah Which is interesting because we've talked so much about like her comfort level with lies and like yes how it's very low. like She doesn't have a lot of wiggle room like around noble lies.
01:27:25
Speaker
But I do feel like in that instance,
01:27:29
Speaker
being maybe just a part of this game, that she would see how that was a play and a valuable play. Yes.
01:27:40
Speaker
Yeah, and I wonder if they would have gotten into it if circumstances were different at the end. Like, if if they had gone to this dinner date, like would they have debriefed the case and like Sean would have said you know what happened and whatever?
01:27:55
Speaker
Or is there now kind of like a riff between the two of them? And now things are a little bit weird again. I don't know if there would be, because...
01:28:09
Speaker
After that, she asks him out. So like it must not have fungered that much. Oh, after the rejection.
01:28:21
Speaker
Yes, after the confession of the feelings and the asking out, do we think?
01:28:29
Speaker
She's like, okay, you made your you made your choice. I'm go to leave you. Do your thing. Have fun. a I also really don't remember how the next season starts. I know. Shocker, I know.
01:28:42
Speaker
i know.
Vacation Intentions and Relationship Reflections
01:28:45
Speaker
Are they in a weird place? It's with Despero, and is it when, like, Jules... Is it? Okay.
01:28:54
Speaker
I'm looking it up. feel like I was imagining that this was a Jules and Sean vacation, but maybe it was an Abigail and Sean vacation that they were supposed to go on, and he brings Gus. You know, that's so funny, because I also thought it was a Jules and Sean vacation.
01:29:06
Speaker
Does that happen again? I don't know. ah demo It must be because he loses the ring in the Game Boy. So they must go on vacation at some point. Yeah, and they propose that's when they he proposes. Right.
01:29:21
Speaker
But is it also, i maybe not also, but is this, it was supposed to be ju or Sean and Abigail's vacation. Okay, let me see. did Okay. but Ski trip vacation. in Ski?
01:29:37
Speaker
I can't speak. Ski trip vacation. Uh-uh-uh-uh-uh. Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh.
01:29:50
Speaker
I do feel like there is a bit of tension with them. Oh, yeah. A dejected Sean and Gus go to a fancy restaurant for dinner. Gus wonders how they got a reservation since you have to make them months in advance and Sean only invited Gus on the trip on Friday. So, yes.
01:30:05
Speaker
Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yes, Sean booked this trip for Abigail and him. Yes, ok ok okay, okay. Okay. Yeah, and I feel like it is ah awkward with Jules because I'm picturing that scene where they're waiting for Despera to show up on a on the boat and she's like in her like fur like.
01:30:21
Speaker
Yeah. And it's just awkward I feel like. Yeah. um So yeah, I guess so. I feel like she really wants to. I feel like she really she understands.
01:30:34
Speaker
Hmm. the situation, but, and she wants, probably wants to be ah like, okay with it.
01:30:46
Speaker
Yeah. Like just, you know, but I'm sure that's hard and probably, I mean, a little embarrassing, like to have put herself out there in that way and then, um, effect effectively be rejected.
01:31:02
Speaker
um Yeah. Like, I don't know if she views it as Sean making a choice, but like more just like her having missed her chance.
01:31:14
Speaker
Yes. Or them having missed... Yes. Their chance. I wonder if it's maybe that because the way that it's phrased in that scene inside the concession booth, inside the concession house, it's like not a stand. It's like a full building. It's a full, yeah.
01:31:31
Speaker
Yeah. It's quite extensive. um He's like, you just have the worst timing. I'm on a date right now. It's so rough. Yeah. so i and he does And he doesn't even really say like...
01:31:45
Speaker
All this time. Right. Yeah. The timing is just awful. Yeah, exactly. Like, he doesn't go like, no, Juliet. How could you possibly imagine that I would want to go on a date with you? Like, he doesn't even really reject her. He's just like, I i can't.
01:32:00
Speaker
Yeah. Like, not know but I can't. I'm currently seeing somebody else. um And then, like, when she leaves and she says she's not going to wait forever.
01:32:15
Speaker
Yeah. Like, I feel like that's about both of them. Like, and Sean didn't wait forever. Yes. Jules is not going to wait forever. Like, they may have missed.
01:32:26
Speaker
They may have just missed the moment. Right. when when get When do we get Sean 2.0?
01:32:35
Speaker
I know. That was a hard watch for me, that episode. I know. ah oh season five. this is all Holy shit, is it going be?
01:32:46
Speaker
was going to say, isn't really that long until they're together. God. That's like it, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the end of that, that's it, yeah. um Thank God.
01:32:59
Speaker
For a while, and then... I know. um
01:33:06
Speaker
And also, when she kisses him on the cheek, and he like closes his eyes, it's like...
01:33:14
Speaker
highlyli I can't so much and it reminded me of the moment in the
01:33:23
Speaker
reunion where he says pretty much perfect and looks at Jules which is insane and and I feel like this is like he is like It's so...
Emotional Complexity in Relationships
01:33:35
Speaker
It's interesting because now it's like he has opened that door. It's like he has to walk through it. like Yeah.
01:33:40
Speaker
he He can't do it to Abigail again. Yeah. And I feel like for himself too, like that is a path that was there and he has like passed it a couple of times and now he is yes he's started on it and it's like he has to see it through.
01:33:56
Speaker
Right. And he cares so much about Abigail. Yeah. And I don't know. With Jules, it's like they're friends and it's sort of an infatuation. And like, I don't know. Like, if he can, like, do you think he can really like compare the two at this point? Like, i don't, I mean, he does say pretty much perfect. I don't know if he would like say if his feelings are stronger for one, for Jules or Abigail, but it's also like,
01:34:30
Speaker
it's also just different, like different feelings. I think it's different. Yeah, the Abigail feelings are so old. Yeah. They've been with him for so long. Yes. And I'm sure there's also this like the one that got away feeling. Yeah. It's like now that you have it again. You have to see it through. Yeah, exactly. You have to just see like that. I mean, Jules even says that like the one that got away. Like she knows exactly what what that's about yep i know and her jewels is little monologue to sean just always kills she like bears her heart yeah and i mean you can just she like
01:35:19
Speaker
practiced this she's like just please let me get through this like this is so huge for her I mean and what have we talked about she's like what 26 yes like she this is yeah this is just like a really big deal yes this is a big moment she's like admitting to herself you know admitting to herself that she has feelings for this wackadoo yeah She's just had like a couple kind of life or death situations.
01:35:49
Speaker
Yes. And you know what? Sean's going to be like her one that got away. Oh, yeah. This is very sad.
Nature of TV Drama
01:35:59
Speaker
It's so sad.
01:36:02
Speaker
I mean, it makes it like. all that better when it happens eventually. which But it really hurts right now. I know. The best things. The richest things aren't supposed to come easily.
01:36:17
Speaker
And they sure don't. No, they don't. Especially on TV. i guess They know. They know just where to get you. It's also when she was like, i think you to deserve more than popcorn tonight. I'm like,
01:36:32
Speaker
damn i know jewel and then she's like so let me let's go to dinner know like okay it's not what i was thinking but all right as if she's like oh yeah go to my place i yeah it's so funny i think so yeah
01:36:52
Speaker
i literally this is ridiculous i have actually no notes of that entire scene because i know i was just like like the whole time i do have a note um i just want to say for you know all the thing we talked a lot about the great dramatic acting on um james roday roberges's part another one that i just loved was when they're in the car and yang offers him the detonator and he's like second guessing like not really sure and then he like grabs it and gets out of the car and he goes
01:37:26
Speaker
Yes. I love that too. And everybody just comes in like, oh, that was, yeah. Just that whole sequence is just so good. Delicious. Yes. And really so, as you said, so dramatic.
01:37:41
Speaker
Like we don't, it's very rare that we get drama with like no silly. Yeah. The tension. Yes. i I mean, we do have,
01:37:51
Speaker
The silliness of
Sean's Commitment to Abigail
01:37:53
Speaker
Yang. But it's like it's turned on its head. Because like she is in control. Right. She is the one who's bringing lightness. Yeah. It's like it is.
01:38:08
Speaker
yeah it it kind of puts you off kilter yeah for sure you know it's like the other like in that sean and jules moment when when sean turns around and sees jules and he's just like like he looks like deer in the headlights yeah because it is he's like he's going down this path and he's like wait to be confronted with
01:38:33
Speaker
And now he's going to have like, you know the idea that he, he did have a chance with her. Right. But now it's the timing, but he also, he's all in on Abigail, like, and, and as he should be, you know?
01:38:47
Speaker
Yes. He's made the decision. He should stick with the decision and see it through. yeah. Really be all in on that. Not be like, you know, thinking about Jules while he's in this relationship. Yeah.
01:39:00
Speaker
No one wants that. Yeah. Yeah. It is really funny how in the phone call earlier, and he's like chinese's like, I'm chasing. Or she's like, what, you're chasing a serial killer? And he's like, yes.
01:39:13
Speaker
How do you know? He gives the phone to Gus to cover for him, which terrible idea. And Gus is like, we're chasing a train like hobos. It's like, what is that?
01:39:24
Speaker
That's not going to convey anything. doesn't make her feel any better. Her reaction to he was bad in Othello senior year, he's still bad now. was like, oh my, cutting, cutting.
01:39:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, her patience is thin with this, with him. um And so it is it is so sweet like when he does come back out and he's just seen a ghost, literally.
01:39:51
Speaker
Yes. Figuratively, but literally. yeah um And the way he plays that for her like is yeah is so cute. Yes. And she's so worried.
01:40:05
Speaker
I know. Poor thing. But yeah, I love when when she is brought to the... I mean, how crazy would that have been for Abigail? Like, being like, ridiculous Sean gonna screw me over again. and then police show up at your house and say they need to protect you from the yin-yang killer. Yeah, no way. Like, because they're like, we have black and whites at Abigail's apartment.
01:40:28
Speaker
guess he wasn't lying. And then, like, when she gets brought there... but she with the knab?
01:40:38
Speaker
I don't know. She's with somebody and they bring her there and she's like, did you really just catch Mr. Yang? Like, how crazy would that be? Yeah. Pretty crazy. Oh.
01:40:49
Speaker
I'm really jumping all over the place, but I'm just looking at my notes and seeing different things. but back to Jules. Yes. When Sean does say, Jules, I'm so sorry. and it's like he's apologizing for this, but then he says, for snapping at you earlier. I know. And it's like, it's really...
01:41:11
Speaker
The way that's delivered is like... Because he is sorry for both, you know? And it's like she knows. Yes. But just imagine that Jules just... Why don't she just go home and sit on her couch and think I hope that she went and her and Lassie got some french fries. Yeah, hopefully she went back to the station. That's what hope. Yeah, because... Like celebrated catching the... Yeah.
01:41:40
Speaker
not just Yeah, you know that's where Lassie is. Of course. going to see ever anywhere else.
01:41:46
Speaker
A wild ending to the season, honestly. I mean, the biggest ending. Well, if you would like to join us back here next week, we've got a whole host of different things that we're going to do at our...
01:42:03
Speaker
No holds barred. Anything can happen after show. The after show, I feel like, is always one of my favorites to record. It's just so much fun.
01:42:14
Speaker
Our rules are pretty loose. we are There are no rules at the after show. We usually have snacks. As if we don't often have snacks. We do often have snacks.
01:42:25
Speaker
It's a good time. We usually drink something. We should also get a drink. Maybe a pineapple. Oh, yeah. there I feel like there was something... We'll have to see if there was something in the episode. Last time we did a Carlito Capposito.
01:42:38
Speaker
Oh, we did. You're right. Something from the season. Yes, we'll get a drink, a beverage. Maybe a smoothie or something. Sean has his smoothies.
01:42:49
Speaker
I feel like we got smoothies a couple times. think a smoothie is a good idea. Okay. Okay. We'll discuss what kind. But we'll have something to eat. Quatro cases to us free toast. We're going to attempt again. For real.
01:43:02
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For real. For real. And we'll just be chatting about our thoughts about the season, what's to come, and all of that good stuff. So if you'd like to join us back here next week, possibly on Tuesday, feel free. We'd love to see you then. Maybe the week we after. Maybe the week after, the week after that, week after that, you'll find out.
01:43:22
Speaker
ah But we'll see you then we'll talk about the famed TV show. Psych. Bye. The Psych 6101 would like to thank and credit the design efforts of Olavia Genesis, musical talents of Skane Music and Mikael Hunt, the production abilities of Kyle Dalton and Skillard Jensen, and of course the support of our friends and family.
01:43:43
Speaker
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