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It Happened One Night: Off Screen
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Movie spoilers abound! Welcome to our Phsysics Foundations Course! Today we’re discussing It Happened One Night, one of the original screwball comedies. Peter (a hard hitting newspaper man) and Ellie (a runaway rich kid) find themselves on a cross country road trip together and inevitably fall in love. We’re talking rom-coms, tropes, why we tell stories, and happy endings! So grab yourself some string and a thick blanket, and join Kylie and Skyler on their FINAL installment of the 201 Phoundations Course here on Psychics 101!
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Introduction to Podcast and Psychology
00:00:21
Speaker
Alright, hi everyone and welcome to Psy6101 where we discuss everything about the world of psych and the antics of Sean and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar and this is my partner, Fun on the Side, Shapely.
Overview of 'It Happened One Night'
00:00:33
Speaker
And today we'll be talking about It Happened One Night. A very fun screwball. 1934. yeah nineteen thirty four Yes, 30s. Yes.
00:00:45
Speaker
like situated in the thirty s yeah little I do think in our next round of foundations, like, we'll have to follow the thread of screwball.
00:00:56
Speaker
Yes.
00:00:59
Speaker
Yeah, this is our final installment of the Sci-6 Foundations, 201 May 2025. Yes. Our very accelerated course. Yes.
Reflections on Sci-6 Foundations 201
00:01:12
Speaker
Accelerated. We've covered a lot of ground already. Yeah. I feel like we have. In a short period of time. And i I don't know if I necessarily felt like when we were planning these that we were going to cover as much ground as we did. But I feel like there was a lot of meat in all of this.
00:01:31
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Because like a lot of variation. I feel like that speaks to how eclectic Sykes taste and like tone is. Yeah. yeah Because everything we have watched has been pretty different.
Understanding Screwball Comedy
00:01:45
Speaker
different but yeah at the same time cohesive and and definitely it comes together in psych yeah that's a great point because I don't think if anyone anyone put out a smattering of movies it was like how did these connect I don't think I would have ever been like these ones connect yeah yeah and like coming like for this one we got a few things going on here and I actually I pulled out um a book that I I love, I'm like dipping into all my college books.
00:02:18
Speaker
Yes. um But this one called Romantic Comedy. Beautiful. And I was like, this must be in there. And it is. And it seems, even watching it, I was like, this has to be like the blueprint, like like the formula of it.
00:02:33
Speaker
i feel like. Yeah, it's definitely seminal in terms of romantic comedy. And then it seems like screwball, because I was like trying to understand like what a screwball comedy actually is. like This thing says that by after the mid-30s, screwball came to be a word people might use for any romantic comedy, certainly if it had any trace of craziness to it.
00:02:57
Speaker
And yet everyone knew in a general way what a screwball comedy was, both swanky and slapstick, slangy, irreverent, and skeptical, and powerfully, glamorously in love with love. Interesting. Because when you when we hear the term screwball comedy, in my mind, i do not go to romantic comedy. I go to like almost wacky, you
Evolution of Screwball Comedy and Censorship
00:03:22
Speaker
goofy. I think more of like Three Stooges when I hear the word screwball comedy.
00:03:27
Speaker
Well, I do feel like both, like, Three Suge is definitely a slapstick, and it seems like that is an element of the screwball comedy. Yeah. um But it seems like a lot of, just, like, in trying to figure out, like, how this is defined, it seems like a lot of um sort of battle of the sexes kind of vibes, and then...
00:03:52
Speaker
It seems like a lot of also themes of like class, which we definitely saw. yeah It happened one night. But yeah, another interesting thing that this said was 1934 the year of screwball's beginnings was also the year that the studios mainly in response to the pressures from the catholic church and its legion of decency be began to enforce the production code with the result that as comedies got quote crazier they also got cleaner some people see a connection screwball antics in this view were a kind of reaction to the growing repression screen lovers couldn't be sexy anymore so they had to be funny they had to do something after all
00:04:34
Speaker
But the fact is that sexy couples on screen weren't up to that much even before 1934. Yeah, like that's an interesting idea too that like yeah just like this zaniness.
00:04:47
Speaker
Yes. Yeah, it's a great word. Yeah.
Influence of Screwball Comedy on 'Psyche'
00:04:50
Speaker
And I think and when I was like and Google like what is this group comedy like a lot of what I was seeing like the image that would come up was bringing up baby. don't know if you ever seen that.
00:05:02
Speaker
but um i had to watch it in like a film class in high school which i guess makes sense if it was like one of the classic ones sure yeah um but it's like a rom-com and they like have a baby is like a leopard oh okay and they like i don't really remember all that happens but like it's like just like i guess that's the craziness um so yeah It seems like all that elements of it and then like what Steve Frank said, we had like the fast talking and
00:05:39
Speaker
yeah, like the jokes, guess, like the banter, seems like that's part of it. It's kind of like, also it seemed like the heroine being kind of strong and funny and stuff.
00:05:53
Speaker
So that makes me wonder then, because when Steve Franks talked about the influence of screwball comedies on Psyche, I just assumed that he meant from a humor perspective, but do we think he meant more holistically? Like Jules being a strong woman and the kind of romantic, I'm going to say adjacent-ness of Psyche, because it's not straight in your face romantic comedy, but we definitely get elements of that as, you know, relationships develop and whatnot.
00:06:26
Speaker
Yeah, i mean, well, there's like the TV classic of like, will they, won't they with Sean and Jules. But then, I mean, in terms of like a screwball being like about like the central romantic couple, like kind of like what we've talked about, like the moonlighting and stuff like you can see that in Sean and Gus to like those dynamics.
00:06:46
Speaker
Yeah. Even if it's not like, does it culminate? the way a romantic comedy does um i was also thinking like even though it's not the same like the idea of class you can maybe compare with like the legitimacy that's like at play in psych because like um like sean being an investigator but not in the kind of way that like jewels and lassie are and like right him being like a fraud and stuff like those themes i feel like could be
00:07:18
Speaker
yeah too Yeah, yeah, yeah. i think of I think they parallel each other nicely. Because, yeah, we really don't have class issues being discussed in Psych. And I think we've mentioned a couple times, like, Psych, at the end of the day, is supposed to be a feel-good show. Like, it's very rare that we touch on, other than murder, obviously, it's very rare that we touch on, like, super serious issues.
00:07:42
Speaker
But, yeah, that idea of, like, how does one move through the world? sean's ability to move through the world is very different than lassie and jules's ability ability to move through the world as is peter's ability to move through the world and ellie's ability to move through the world and it happened one night so i think that makes sense like a yeah an interesting comparison yeah and from like a like a skill perspective like as you said like i definitely like in the way that peter was able to come up with
00:08:15
Speaker
charades for like like um fronts for them as they were like navigating like um which also was like rom-com tropes of like that oh this we're married or yeah or the um maybe my favorite was with uh shapely think when he tells him they're kidnapping her or something. like And just like goes into it so easily and Shapely's like, uh... Yeah, yeah.
00:08:44
Speaker
He's definitely... Peter is... He's an interesting character because he's definitely... Or at least he comes across as someone who is definitely notable in his profession. Like, it seems like he ah can find some good stories and can write good stories. um But at the same time, he's, like, kind of a mastermind.
00:09:12
Speaker
He's kind of a little, like, sleazy. not Maybe sleazy isn't the right word. Well, I do think he's also desperate where we find him. Yeah, definitely. yeah yeah that might bring out kind of his maybe worst qualities yeah qualities but he has like this ability to play people like pretty easily like even with shapely like it's not similar to sean he's really able to just get into the persona immediately and make it convincing in order to get what he needs out of the situation which is shapely gone um that's true and i
00:09:48
Speaker
I feel like that would totally benefit a journalist. Like and the way Sean needs to get, um you know, into like get the story in order to put a mystery together. Like Peter would need those same skills maybe to get the story like for for his journalism, which is kind of interesting, like thinking that he's pretty upfront with Ellie from the start. yeah Yeah. He really doesn't play her.
Admiration for Clark Gable
00:10:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:10:20
Speaker
That's true. And I wonder why that is. Because he loves her. Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah.
00:10:31
Speaker
I would just like to say, as we're starting the conversation about it happened one night, um I'm obsessed with Clark Gable. Like, he just... I have never... i don't think I've ever seen him in anything. Just have heard the name, you know? Known he's an icon.
00:10:44
Speaker
This is the first time, but I am now obsessed with him. Like... he was he so good in this movie yeah they both were i was like oh yeah they both were no they i mean that the yearning i was like like this is a rom-com like i didn't really know what i was getting into you know it was like yeah it's a classic and everything but like that scene all the scenes of them like being separated by the the blanket the walls of Jericho yeah um like the way we would go between them and like you would just feel the yearning I was like oh my god this is romance this romance yeah and maybe that's what I I feel like very quickly as a viewer you get you also get kind of like swept up in this whole story and yeah the romance of it all and like the sweetness of it all and you know
00:11:39
Speaker
um it's very easy to see like how would these two could have fallen in love with each other so quickly.
Romantic Chemistry in 'It Happened One Night'
00:11:47
Speaker
Yeah. And I think they really like in sort of, I guess, similar to how he doesn't really doesn't play her, even though we kind of understand that he could, they, they kind of feel like equals, like, you know, he teases her a lot and stuff, but she like gives it right back to him.
00:12:07
Speaker
Yeah. um And, I think that is kind of an, like the idea of like what Steve Franks had talked about of like, like a really fast dialogue and like people being really on, like that's kind of, I definitely felt that.
00:12:25
Speaker
Yes. think that would translate to psych um in terms of like influence, like the way they would just like banter was, yeah. Yes. The, I'm thinking specifically the piggyback scene. Yeah.
00:12:41
Speaker
Where they're like arguing over what a piggyback yeah this is. This like so psyched, so ridiculous. Yeah. where where the piggyback is Well, on the run, trying yeah trying to get to New York with some random journalism you've never met.
00:13:01
Speaker
While also being extremely sweet and chivalrous, like I'm going to carry you over this because I don't want you to get go wet. That's so true. like he does It's like it's like he wants to be really tough and like mean to her. and like I think he wants to not like her because she's rich and spoiled and stuff. Totally.
00:13:23
Speaker
can't help it and he doesn't he like takes care of her like no questions out like he like is making her bed before like they've even discussed anything and yeah it's like he is and and he has the stakes of like he has to get her to new york one piece so he can have his story which i was like when they made the deal i was like oh my god this is every rom-com that ever has been made ever
Legacy of 'It Happened One Night' in Rom-Coms
00:13:46
Speaker
since and i'm like as a rom-com stan i was like wow like This is the algorithm. I found the algorithm.
00:13:55
Speaker
Yes.
00:13:57
Speaker
Yeah, you are you are a rom-com aficionado, you will. I am. You love a good rom-com. So how how does this stack up in the realm of rom-coms?
00:14:09
Speaker
I mean, it is excellent. i don't I think it's safe to say it probably isn't like...
00:14:17
Speaker
informed the genre, like defined the genre. Although i have actually like, I don't think I've ever really opened this rom-com book. And so now gonna, because it wasn't the first chapter, there is a chapter before it. So I don't know, I guess there was more there, but or or it seemed like that maybe the ones were before were a little more serious.
00:14:36
Speaker
um And so maybe this bringing in that comedy, which we still is what we still, I feel like, or what Hollywood is still striving for. um Yes.
00:14:48
Speaker
Make you laugh and make you yearn and like and the chemistry that they had like um I feel like yeah what it accomplishes is what every rom-com is still trying to accomplish.
00:15:02
Speaker
So it was great. Yeah. i Yeah I thought it was very fun. A very fun watch. um There were certain pieces of it that i thought like Again, i think we were saying this last episode with... um Or no, maybe it was with the Real Genius episode. I don't remember. But we were saying like sometimes there's there's like certain conventions or like certain people or certain things that happen that are kind of hard for us to decipher, maybe just as a function of the time.
00:15:36
Speaker
And one of the things for me this time while watching it that I was like, what is going on? It was like, why was it such a big deal that she... was no longer with her father like it was wild to me that she's over the age of 21 yet it was like she ran away from home and her father is like trying to I was like what that's fair didn't think of it like that but that makes sense I was just thinking of it more of like her being like really famous and so people cared about what she was up to oh okay but I guess yeah to your point like
00:16:16
Speaker
yeah know in today's world, I mean, I guess it still might. Well, also, like piecing my thoughts together. but I know exactly what you're saying.
00:16:28
Speaker
Also, and it's like to think it it it started with her jumping off his yacht. yeah in that many Yeah. where I forget where, like to shore or whatever. But um so maybe just like Like, she literally did run away from being with him. um Yeah. And he freaks out.
00:16:51
Speaker
and you And also, people are a lot less accessible than they are now. So, like, he has no idea where she is, has no way to reach her. um So, even if she's, like, an adult, I could see that being, like, scary. But, I mean, there were a lot. I mean, definitely dynamics that were, like, antiquated.
00:17:08
Speaker
Yeah. that Yeah, to modernize. I was like, who... but Yeah. even yeah The father on the whole, i was just kind of like, what is happening?
00:17:19
Speaker
like Yeah. Well, in the beginning, i was like, oh, we hate this man. And then at the end, he was like our best friend. And I was like, oh all right.
Character Dynamics and Personal Growth
00:17:25
Speaker
right pop around and And even like before, and again, i think, you know, once you understand the situation a little bit better, I guess you're kind of like, well, sure.
00:17:34
Speaker
Like in the beginning, right. We, we don't know him. We don't know the situation. So we're just like, boo you. Why are you being mean to this lady and whoever she wants to marry? Like leave her alone. And then you realize that like, oh yeah, this guy really isn't right for her. And she was just, he was just trying to protect her. Like, okay, I get that.
00:17:50
Speaker
yeah But there were some moments where I was just like, what? That is true. I wonder if it's almost like a sort of a feature of like the filmmaking in that maybe in the beginning we're so we're with her and yeah she feels like a prisoner in this yacht.
00:18:11
Speaker
and Her dad is very overbearing, which he is, and very overprotective. She wants to get away and stuff. And and you really feel that. And then, you know, by...
00:18:24
Speaker
the end she sort of has grown herself and realized that what she did want is not what she wants anymore and stuff and so maybe like that allows him to change in the eyes of the viewer too because just because her perspective of her situation has changed right right but I was like what was his problem with King Wesley because he comes around to Peter like yeah immediately yeah I I guess he calls him like a phony or something like that. Yes.
00:18:56
Speaker
ah Yeah, I think we get the sense throughout like the second half of the the back half of the movie that King Wesley is maybe kind of just in it for the money. Maybe not entirely. That's true because he buys him off.
00:19:10
Speaker
Right. At the end. Yeah, so I think maybe the dad realized that, like, yes, maybe he likes my daughter, but at the end of the day, the money is really what matters to him. And that's not the kind of person that I want marrying my daughter. Because I think that's really the thing that sells him on Peter is that Peter's like, I don't care about your money.
00:19:28
Speaker
Yeah. I just want you to yeah pay me back for what I spent on your daughter. That's it. Which is definitely ah very sweet. I mean, not to skip like way to the end, but that whole like reveal.
00:19:43
Speaker
I We're just too excited. I know. But ah that reveal of Peter's feelings is so classic. So good. And classic, but also probably original like to this, you know, this is like the maybe the reveal that started it all. But yeah, just like, because the dad is like,
00:20:04
Speaker
do you love her like he keeps trying to ask and he's like that she sucks she's spoiled i can't i can't stand her but do you love her yes but don't take too much from that because i'm a little screwy myself yeah yeah and you get like the classic uh you know all those classic like mis misunderstandings and leading up to the very end oh my gosh yeah Yeah. When they pass each other on the highway and like the gesture he was going to like, he was like, I got to get back.
00:20:41
Speaker
ah no we And you're like, no, no.
Societal Norms and Pressures in 1930s
00:20:47
Speaker
Oh my gosh. I know. And when she looks so sad. And I love She looks so sad.
00:20:52
Speaker
Yeah, in the last, not last scene, but in the scene with her dad, it's very subtle because she's not like falling all over herself sad. She's just like, it's like she's not there and she's just kind of resigned yeah like her fate because he doesn't want her.
00:21:07
Speaker
They both feel like that. Oh, my God. I know. And I like so impossibly. i think it's sad anytime, especially from like the romantic point of view that like, yes, she's just she's detached now.
00:21:21
Speaker
like She doesn't care. is the person that she loved, like doesn't love her back. But I think there's an extra layer of despair. If I were to put it so boldly in this, when you consider the fact that this is like, this is the 1930s, like women not getting married in the 1930s was like unheard of. You had like a completely different like spinster eclectic lifestyle if you weren't married in the 1930s. Like you couldn't even open a bank account on your own until like the 1970s as a woman.
00:21:54
Speaker
So it's almost like something she has to do. If she can't be with Peter, she has to just resign herself. to being with this guy who she really doesn't love or else she's not she's not going to be able to you know make it in the world or or do anything outside of hanging out with her that's true like thinking about her position already like she is very much being handed from man to man yeah like because her dad she's i mean she loves her dad but like he's got a bunch of money and she's basically like his charge at this point i know it's like that that's gotta be a lot to no wonder she was so detached it's gonna be a lot to work over in the brain yeah i also really like like her whole journey and maybe after this we can explain what that is but after they as they're like traveling across the country like
00:22:49
Speaker
There's like these sweet moments where you really see her like smiling, like when she was in line for the shower.
Cultural and Class Themes in 'It Happened One Night'
00:22:54
Speaker
it's like, it's like, she's never gotten the chance to be a part of the world. Yeah. And, and you really like feel how much she is enjoying that.
00:23:03
Speaker
Yeah. Which is really cool. And another thing that I saw that I read in this book and the part about this movie was like that um these like, like class was part of these movies because ah kind of in response to it being like the depression era and like it gave audiences this notion that you know oh she's got it all but really she wants to be a part of you know um the norm like the uh the poorer people like she wants to be yeah one of us which is kind of interesting context too yeah it's not everything that it's cracked up to be yeah there were like these
00:23:46
Speaker
really lovely, like kind of Americana moments, like on the bus with like the singalong that lasted for a long time. That was just like, so sweet. oh my God.
00:23:57
Speaker
Yeah. Talk about like common, common culture as I feel like we talk about all the time. was like, just these random people standing up be like, I'll take the next verse. Like I know i don't worry. And they all know this song.
00:24:10
Speaker
that's something that like, I do feel like in the in the US, like we kind of yearn for it because like we don't have as much like like we don't really have like folk songs in the way that like, yeah you know, or like maybe we've lost touch with those.
00:24:26
Speaker
Sure. um But yeah, so that was like a really lovely. little interlude yeah it was so sweet and then him singing it at the end when he was in the car like with the cash going back yeah i wasn't really i should have i wasn't really listening to the lyrics let me like pull them up because don't know what he's saying the was it all the same song because i i only noticed it when the guy who was driving them was singing which was so funny and like another maybe like screwball element it was like these like random characters like shapely and that guy
00:25:01
Speaker
who would pop up that were so funny but um because he the guy who's driving them asks if they're hungry and they don't have any money so clark peter is like no we're not hungry um and he's the guy's like operatically like Young people love are never hungry.
00:25:23
Speaker
i loved that.
00:25:26
Speaker
And I don't know if that was like the, if it was the same song that they were singing on the bus, I didn't catch that. I don't think that one was the same. I think that guy was just making shit up.
00:25:38
Speaker
Improvising. Yeah, totally. But the, um yeah, the, the, that man on the flying trapeze, like that came up a couple of times, like after that. Oh yeah.
Subtle Romance and Symbolism
00:25:49
Speaker
um There was a lot of connective tissue, like the walls of Jericho.
00:25:53
Speaker
Yeah. Talk about referential. Like you really needed to know like some of these biblical references. i was like, my God. And I love the way that was played through the movie. Like, yes, just that, that scene where he introduces that idea is like, there's so much sexual tension in it.
00:26:11
Speaker
And then by the end, it's like the walls of Jericho have fallen.
00:26:19
Speaker
Tear down the walls. Yeah. Yeah. And talk about like subtle,
00:26:25
Speaker
like the way it just ends with them. those people really like why do they want that
00:26:35
Speaker
and then you just see it fall like yeah and you hear the trumpet but like talk about the whole like having to take the like sexual undertones of it away they made it as like obscure as they possibly could have yeah but at the same time there's like something heavy yeah there's something like kind of heavy handed about the way it's like You know, it's in the telegram and then the people say, like, why they need And then you see, and it actually, it took me a minute, but as I think about it, like, that's such a, it was like, yeah, they couldn't show anything, but it's like, this is what's happening. Yeah, you guys get it? Everyone understood? they're married. We're all on the same page.
00:27:19
Speaker
The end. The end. It's like, I can just see why, like, this would be so delicious to an audience. like in 1934 and today you know like yeah because sometimes the less explicit stuff is sure you know more provocative sure thinking about what she's what they're wearing too like there were these like there was that moment where she strips like almost all the way down yeah and it's like whoa and then she like puts on his pajamas which is like
00:27:53
Speaker
Like that's even sexier than like her just being half naked, you know, like there's something about that. Or like later when she like puts on his scarf and yes there's like all these little moments where it's like it's extremely charged.
00:28:09
Speaker
Yes. For being as subtle as it is. yeah Yeah. it's They can't be super explicit. um But what they do show is pretty much just there. like Even when you know the walls of Jericho are up and she's undressing and throws all of her undergarments over the line as you would to like drive them. And he's like, excuse me. And she's like, oh my god.
00:28:35
Speaker
Yeah. Even just the idea that he iss like has to be like... please take those down. Like I cannot be looking at your anything. I cannot be thinking about that. In my state.
00:28:48
Speaker
yeah
00:28:51
Speaker
It's all, it's all very well crafted, i think, while still making it not feel like, cause it does have this very like sweet, um, like hominess to it yeah even while still having this very charged these very charged moments at the same time so yeah they did a good job of balancing the rom and the com if you will yeah yeah and that is a good point because I feel like a lot of like a beef that people can have with rom-coms is that like maybe it seems like the pair are not gonna last
00:29:29
Speaker
um And also like that it all just ends at, you know, the get together and then it's like, and then what, but like, because we kind of have both here, like the sexual chemistry and like the comfort and like, um, these like, these like sweeter moments, like it does kind of feel like they'll, you know, they'll be okay.
00:29:49
Speaker
Yes. Yes. Yes. We get to the end of this and I'm like, they're going to make it. Yeah. And they've traveled across the country together. Like yes they've been through it. This is the most time she spent with like anybody individually. Yeah. She says that, wrong Yeah.
00:30:08
Speaker
Which is like sweet that she found someone she actually can tolerate. your Yeah. Shape would not have been tolerable. Oh my gosh. No. and And she, for as sheltered as she has been, she does seem to have some I don't know, maybe intuition.
00:30:25
Speaker
Yes. Witchiness. Some gut feelings. um But, like, she is turned off by Shapely, like, instantly. You know, she's not, like, an ingenue. She's not just, like, trusting everybody. Totally. And so I feel like, because she that's kind of a dangerous position for a young woman, a young, wealthy woman, like, hu And so she she seems to know that she can trust him, even though, you know, they're kind of butting heads.
00:30:57
Speaker
And maybe she, like, feels from him that he is there's, like, a sincerity. Because he is not, you know, he's not babying her. He's not, like, trying to impress her. Yeah. He's also not forcing himself on her at any point in time. Like, even on the bus, their first interaction, he's like, move.
00:31:17
Speaker
Yeah. Jeez. She's like, no, i'm not I'm not going to do that. He goes, okay, then move over. like Let me sit here. like We don't have to talk to each other. we don't have to talk each other, but like I need that seat. And then he's like kind enough to let her sleep on his shoulder, but he's by no means as forward as she is in that interaction. Yeah.
00:31:36
Speaker
You know, part of it too. Yeah. Well, and knowing that like she is beautiful and extremely wealthy, like she probably has a lot of people... or has had a lot of people, a lot of men like falling over themselves to like get in good with her. So like, maybe that's like very refreshing to her.
00:31:53
Speaker
Sure. I have somewhat of a random question, but you were just saying a couple moments ago about how people sometimes have beef with romantic comedies because of the, you know, they don't think that the characters would last.
00:32:08
Speaker
And this is just kind of an opinion question, but I was thinking of it and I thought you might have a take. um What do you think is the purpose of a story?
00:32:23
Speaker
Or like a purpose of a movie. The purpose of a, I know. Sorry, I'm hitting you with the big things at six o'clock on a Friday night. Scholars, gather up. We're scolaring now. We're really scolaring.
00:32:39
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Because that's like to say, to say like, i I have, I take issue with this story because I can't see these people lasting. Like that very presumptuous. That is very funny to to put it that way. Yeah.
00:32:51
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Yeah. and i understand where people come from when they say like, because you get attached to these people, but like as a craft, yes, I guess I wonder what is the purpose of a story? a think maybe first I would say, and and this might,
00:33:07
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be controversial and maybe would be like come to the matter of like taste and you know what's good art what's bad art blah blah blah I do you think like that first the first thing would be to entertain yes I would agree yeah and and I think when we get into like cultural hierarchy, which we have touched on yes on the pod before, is that like if something exists just quote unquote to entertain, then it is inherently less valuable than something that tries to do something else too.
00:33:44
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hu But i do feel like if you're going to tell a story, that's why we do it. hu And then- Yeah. Yeah. And then like the other things would be like maybe to teach a lesson, make sense of existence.
00:34:05
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Yes. To make something beautiful, to move someone, to get a reaction. think that those would all be part of it too, but maybe you wouldn't have to do them all in the same story. But I like i mean, just before this, we were talking about, know, sitting quietly and like having no stimulation and like part like different kinds of stimulation would be like scrolling on your phone or like reading a book, watching something and like all those things, the idea being that they stimulate you like that would be like the same as you know, like to be entertained is to be like stimulated and to like yeah be made to think about something and
00:34:51
Speaker
or like experience something that you haven't experienced or maybe that articulate something that you have experienced that you couldn't articulate yourself. What do you think is the point of a story?
00:35:03
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Well, that's a good question. I don't know if I've ever really thought about it until right now. um But I would think too similar to what you said to make people feel something or or think something maybe different.
00:35:21
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Than they have before. And I don't think that that either one necessarily needs to be profound. um Like I don't think you need to be thinking profound thoughts. To hear a story or or take something great away from a story.
00:35:38
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Yeah, but for me, I think I would like to yeah feel something or think something in a way. Whatever that means. Like if i if we're going to watch ah you know a horror movie, I want to be a little spooked.
00:35:49
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we're going to watch, you know, rom-com. I want to be like, no, you know? Yeah. and yeah And I want to enjoy, i want to enjoy it. um And I guess for me, that would be synonymous with being entertained.
00:36:02
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Cause if I don't enjoy it, I'm i'm not going to want to sit through it. And if I don't want to sit through it, then what's the point? um And there could be like a, like a spectrum of what enjoyment feels like. Sure. Like it could be like not necessarily a positive thing.
00:36:16
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Yeah. Totally. Still are glad that it happened. Yeah, without a doubt. When I think there's like, like with, okay, I love reading books, right? And sometimes I read a book and I'm like, it was a book.
00:36:29
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Like, was a book, you know? And I could still have gained something from the book or enjoyed my time reading the book. Whereas I could read another book that I'm like, that was a book. Like, oh my, wow. And it's like, you know, life changing. And that doesn't mean I got any like less enjoyment necessarily out of reading the, it's a book. it was just, it was a book, you know? like Does that make any sense? I feel like i said the same thing. like It was a book.
00:36:55
Speaker
But it was a book. But it was a book. Yeah. Yeah, for real. yeah for real Yeah, I guess my other question too is like, is... oh I don't know how to phrase this.
00:37:12
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I'm to phrase it this way. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's the correct phrasing. So bear with me. ah Do you think the... Do you think anything is owed to the audience in creating a story?
00:37:26
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So for example, in the case of like... as we just said, the two people wouldn't end up together like in the long run and therefore it shouldn't have been a thing. like Do you think that's owed to the audience or is there something learned or special or emotive from the fact that like they were together now?
00:37:48
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That's its own thing. You know? Yeah. I mean, I think that it's two very interesting things there like the idea of i like romantic comedy is a good place to like start with that question of like like kind of like what do you owe an audience if anything like because it is such a quote unquote formulaic genre that an audience does come into it with expectations sure um so like rom there are rom-coms which if you could call them that
00:38:25
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that try to subvert those expectations where like they don't get together at all um and that could be like a very frustrating experience for an audience or we like just other tropes where we do go into something and expect it to be a certain way and those expectations are subverted which i think could be a very like as you say like a very enjoyable experience in that it's like interesting but it could also be a frustrating experience so and maybe if you're trying to play with an audience's expectations you just have to know that some people aren't gonna like it yeah yeah because some people want what they expect and not to like not I feel like neither of those is like better like I think with rom-coms especially like because there is sort of a roadmap to it there's this idea that like if you do it
00:39:17
Speaker
Like if they don't get together at the end, it's like more interesting. It's deeper stuff like that. But it's like, is it like you can do something, you can do a formula extremely well and you can do it not as well. And it's like, just because you made the thing you said you were going to make doesn't mean it's not good or interesting or valuable.
00:39:41
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hmm. But it's interesting to think about, like, you know, is it fair to an audience? You know, debatable. um But also, like, you know, we're just people. Like, what do we owe anybody? that Yeah, that's a big question.
00:39:59
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And then the second thing you said was, wish I could rewind. We will be able to at some point. Yes. um just not right now sadly oh was it like is it um enough that they're like together for the time that they're together even if it doesn't work out and i do think maybe another reason that we tell stories stories inherently have like a beginning and an end typically and so it does life
00:40:31
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And I feel like as it's extremely hard to grapple with that. And so maybe like telling ourselves stories that end over and over and over again is like a way for us to like practice what that means.
00:40:44
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Yeah, I love that. And at the same time. There are also stories like psych as we're doing right now. before We will not let it go.
00:41:01
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So it's like. But at the same time, it does have a conclusion. And like you know the way we get to go back to it over and over is almost like we get to you know return to our memories. like it's not It's still over in a way. yeah you know They may make another movie, but like in a sense, what it was is over.
00:41:20
Speaker
And that is what life, all of our experiences occur in that way. like And that's like really hard to deal with. And so maybe that is something. too about like why why we like stories i think that was beautifully put that was so nice my heart was just like because i think that makes a lot of sense i think it makes a lot of sense you know like ah probably not for everybody but i'm sure for a lot of people you know your your life is trying to figure out purpose or trying to figure out
00:41:55
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contentment or joy or you know whatever it might be and and i think a lot of the times things aren't as beautifully wrapped up as they are in TV and movies and and I'm sure there's something comforting about going this was this was a beautiful boat.
00:42:15
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I love like everything you know tied itself in a nice little knot at the end and it all made sense and it all came together. I think that maybe gives a little reassurance to even like subconsciously gives a little bit of reassurance to ourselves that like maybe things will kind of tie themselves up in a little boat.
00:42:36
Speaker
Yeah. no Yeah. And that's like, also, as you were saying that, like that also reminded me how we talk about meandering and how like part of what we enjoy about a show like Psych is that there is a lot of just, you know, just living, just like there is sort of sense.
00:42:58
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I mean, there's larger arcs. You could probably point to like a beginning at certainly a beginning and an end maybe with his journey with like being a fraud um but in between all that there's a lot of just like the day-to-day yeah there's like that desire and pleasure in watching something resolve but also this desire and pleasure to like just sort of enjoy the the little things along the way that maybe don't stack up to anything specific because like the idea of asking like what is the point of a story it's like what is the point of anything
00:43:34
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I know. Yeah.
00:43:37
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It's true. But in a world where like, it now it seems like everybody's time is devoted to something with a whether that is watching a show or consuming media or being sold something or you know whatever it is I do think it's nice every once in a while to yeah go back to something that's just like whatever you know like a couple of scenes in the movies stand out as just like
00:44:10
Speaker
whatever you know like just little peppers of life our little like divergences the but i mean the bus sing along the bus sing along walking over to the shower the you know leaning up on the fence trying to yeah ride like and you could argue it's like do we need ah any of that but it's like du um what do we need what are we doing here like why would it be here yeah yeah Yeah, right. And i think you ah I think particularly now when, again, everything seems to have a purpose, but also people are so exposed to
00:44:48
Speaker
people constantly and people trying to meet their own agenda. i think it's really easy to be put under this illusion that everything has to have a purpose.
00:45:03
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Yeah. Like you have to go into social media in order to make money and to make money in order to buy a house and to buy a big house in order to be happy or whatever it might be. You have to go to college in order to get a law degree in order to get whatever. You know what I mean? Like it it seems like everything falls into something else. And if you're not doing something with a purpose, you're doing it wrong, you know, and that's not necessarily the case, but it's much more.
00:45:29
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I think it's much easier to fall into that like mental gymnastics trap when you are constantly bombarded with different pieces of, you know, information telling you that.
00:45:41
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he Yeah. And it's interesting, like, do you talk about like things having a purpose, like, like, like little things of like, Oh, we have to, like, if we're going to do a craft, we better make money.
00:45:54
Speaker
Right. We better be able to sell it. Like there's like right. But then also there's like,
00:46:02
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and I mean, it certainly felt like this as a teenager, but I feel like everybody is looking for like, what's the meaning? Like, what's the purpose of life? You know, like what's going to be? And I i mean, guess, you know, just like, you know, back to being mortal beings, that's like something.
00:46:20
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yeah So like on the one hand, it's like, there's like these kind of toxic, ideas of like making everything mean something. And then there's like this, like very human, like innate desire to make your life mean something.
00:46:35
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yeah Um, so it's like, they're both challenging. And then, and I do feel like in our, our generation, which we maybe you have kind of talked about before, but like does have this desire to just sort of maybe not mean like maybe just just, yeah.
00:46:51
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just yeah yeah um
00:46:55
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And these two quotes are like, keep coming back to me as we talk about this sort of in relation to the initial, what is the point of the story? But I do think another thing is just like to have said something um and to have like, cause I guess that could be like any creative act, but like almost like, like to say like Kylie was here, you know? Like I made something And the two things that come to mind are there's a quote.
00:47:29
Speaker
I'm going to look it up so I'm going get it right. um By Margaret Atwood, where she says,
00:47:41
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um perhaps I write for no one, perhaps for the same person children are writing for when they scrawl their names in the snow. um Which is like just the idea that like,
00:47:53
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Like Just because, just so, I don't know. Like that's what it feels like to me is like to say we were here. Yeah. um And then another one is from Waiting for a Godot.
00:48:05
Speaker
Are you familiar with that at all? No. Have you ever seen Waiting for the Godot? Recommend it. But, um you know, there's like this whole thing. they're They're waiting the whole show. They're waiting for Godot.
00:48:16
Speaker
Makes sense. you You know, if you might have guessed. um And am remembering this from when I saw it many years ago. But like by the end, like Godot is not going to, they're going to miss him for whatever reason, you know.
00:48:33
Speaker
And one of the characters, well, the guy who's staying is like, is there anything you want me to tell Mr. Godot? And he's like, tell him that you saw me. Hmm. And, and, in and then he kind of like that you saw me, like he repeats it. Like, it's like the idea that he's never going cross paths with this person, but it's like, and we don't know like who Godot is. We don't know anything because it's all very surreal, but it's like, in the end, he's like, just,
00:49:03
Speaker
you know, tell him that you saw me, that I was here. Like that's, you know, just that idea that like, you know, that's, I think we want people to know we were here. Yeah. So I do think a lot of the creative urge comes from that too.
00:49:23
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Yeah. I think in my mind that, that brought up a, Another question regarding creation, because I think we've, and it kind of ties back to what you said regarding like making something, you know, sometimes you just want to like craft something to craft something.
00:49:40
Speaker
But I also feel like we've kind of gotten to the point where If you're not, or or the the sentiment that I feel at least, is that if you aren't going to do something well, sometimes it feels as if there's no point in doing it, which I think is so ah silly. Because when we talk about like, you know, putting a ah stamp or saying like, I was here or creating just to create, like, not all creation is...
00:50:10
Speaker
beautiful and not all creation meaningful like not everything needs to be but again back to that whole like well if you're gonna you know if you're gonna publish it or if you're gonna make it or if you're gonna paint it or you're you know whatever like you gotta do it well you gotta sell it you gotta do you know whatever but sometimes it really is just scrawling your name on the wall you know and sometimes there is uh something beautiful with that too about it not really being anything other than just you gave it a try you were there Yeah.
00:50:42
Speaker
Yeah. I think like, it's so sad too, that like people feel like they can't try things. Um, and I do think like, as you get older, it just gets worse. Like, you know, when you're a kid, maybe you can try a lot of things until you find your thing. And then it's like, you can't really, then you're like done.
00:51:02
Speaker
Um, but like, i think we've talked too about like hobbies, like yeah The idea of just, oh, my kid, having hobbies, trying new things, like trying things you're not good at.
00:51:19
Speaker
And I think Sean and Gus are like such a great example of Sean, especially. And Sean maybe forces that on Gus. But like, he is a character to look to of someone who just would try anything once, you know, like, and and just like enjoys it, even if And does it big too.
00:51:39
Speaker
Like, and he might fall on his face pretty hard, like, but he he still does it and he has a great time doing it. Yeah. They're, they're,
00:51:51
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Yeah, for as but as, like, ego-filled as Sean is, there's something also very, like, non-egotistical about him. Because that's, like, a very non-ego-centered thing to be like, I'm going to try it, and if I suck at it, whatever.
00:52:05
Speaker
like That's true. You know? Like, I'm going to be fine. You know, I'll have to be amazing at everything. um Yeah, and maybe he does kind of have this like, well, if he's not good at it, maybe he has an excuse as to why, like, I'm thinking of, like, yeah him in baseball, yeah i feel like, with the yips, yeah, yeah, but it's still, like, he is extremely playful, and, like, yes, yes, like, play is one, is, is, could be an, maybe an umbrella term for, like, all of that, that, like, just trying things out, and, um, doing things just for the sake of
00:52:42
Speaker
doing them and like having fun and stuff. And he, he is very that. Yeah. Well, and and that's a great way to put that too. Cause you, you also referenced like childhood imagination where you can just like do all of these things. Like that is a time where play is encouraged. Like go imagine, just have fun. And then as you become an adult, it's like, no, stick to your lane. Like you got to do this thing.
00:53:05
Speaker
You have priorities. Play is not, Or if you do play, you're looked at as like childish or immature or whatever it might be, as often people do with Sean and Gus, for example. Yes.
00:53:18
Speaker
like that All coming back around. Yeah. When in reality, it's like, maybe that is really just what we all need to be a little bit more. Again, coming back to the whole... thesis of the show. i Just like them striking this balance.
00:53:33
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. um Like learning... because it's a pair of them, you know, having like having these, this contrast of like Sean being so out there and Gus being like a cog and like them learning from each other that like, or like reaching this equilibrium between the two of them, which we can't, we talked about that in Real Genius too.
00:53:56
Speaker
Yeah. Did we frame up the movie at all yet?
00:54:04
Speaker
But you know, It's foundations, man.
00:54:10
Speaker
I think we're okay. We haven't necessarily framed up ah um everything that we've talked about in the foundations courts yet. So I think we're all right. Philosophical foundations. Yeah. everything Everything we watched for foundations is just a launching pad.
00:54:26
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yes yes more discussion other discussion yeah oh my gosh i loved the costuming in this movie everyone looked just so nice and i'm sure this is like plain nothing special for the 1930s but like all the men in like it's hard to say i yeah oh yeah three-piece suit yeah just like so dapper absolutely and i love her pants Oh, I love high-waisted pants. I don't know Laura's pants were ever a thing.
00:54:58
Speaker
So uncomfortable, traumatized from the youth. um From my youth. I loved her like, her like delicate little hat she was wearing. And this like, just adorable dress and her heels. Like the whole, everything. It was just so gorgeous. Mm-hmm.
00:55:16
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Yeah, when they got to, like, the wedding scene, um like, her gown was so beautiful. And then, like, the very, like, 30s, like, flapper-looking veil was so cool. Yeah, it was beautiful. Oh, my gosh. And that, I don't even remember what they called it, but that weird airplane helicopter thing that came down. Oh, it was yeah. was like, that's so cool.
00:55:36
Speaker
Like, it was very... Yeah, I was like, it's amazing. People survived. Literally, I was like, that thing could fly? ah Yeah, it looked like... And when it landed, it was like... precarious and then he opened the door and stood up i was like his head was like watch your head yeah i thought the same thing yeah but it looked like it was made out of like like a tin can yes yeah totally well and i i also think that there's I was wondering this while watching the movie ah because I know that there are for like black and white film production. There are some kind of like tricks that they have to do to make things show up more like boldly or whatever just based on the the film.
00:56:23
Speaker
So I was wondering like what did they actually wear? You know, like, was this dress like a bright red? like oh my gosh. You know, like, how did they actually express, you know, express? Was his suit like purple?
00:56:40
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I don't know. That's like blowing my mind right now. Like, to even think, yeah, what did they even look? Because it yeah like black and white creates this. distance like totally yeah obviously like it was a long time ago but like and also they they have sort of an affected style of acting that is like not quite the same as what we do now which is i think more naturalistic but like have you ever seen i'll have to find it but like a video of like bloopers from like this era and it's no no
00:57:16
Speaker
mind-blowing because it's like they are real people like and when they're in these yeah like it all feels so like and like it's you know very enjoyable and stuff but it yeah it feels far away and like um like something out of you know behind glass in a museum but like yes these are like like the way when they like the way they move and stuff like when they're breaking it's like they're just people just like today yeah it's like kind of mind-blowing Yeah, i want so i I wonder why that is. Like, why why when, like, you know, the talkies came about and now people were not just acting like emoting, but now having to speak, why didn't it turn to this, like, naturalistic depiction? ah Was it just kind of like a natural progression from this, like, very over emotiveness of not being able to speak?
00:58:16
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maybe like do you i feel like you would know something don't know i just felt the transatlantic yes the transatlantic accent i love it yeah i feel like that's a good starting or mid-atlantic accent Good American Speech.
00:58:37
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Good American Speech? That's what it's called apparently for me. Wow. Per Wikipedia. Okay. It's a consciously learned accent of English that was promoted in certain American courses on acting, voice, and elocution from the early to mid-20th century.
00:58:56
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As a result, it became associated with particular announcers and Hollywood actors, especially evident in American mass media recorded from the 1920s through the 1950s.
00:59:08
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Influenced by and overlapped with Northeastern elite accents. Just trying to see, like, why.
00:59:16
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Someone decided. Talks about how they used song-like intonation. um Okay.
00:59:28
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And also like when the 20th century began, American actors in classical plays all spoke with English accents due to the prestige of English received pronunciation. Okay.
00:59:40
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So maybe an evolution from that. Yeah. I mean, I feel get like like always just kind of like an evolution of taste um and like what seemed, what was yeah considered good at the time.
00:59:56
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Like, because they, for the most part, they seemed pretty grounded for, like, what we might expect today. Yes. I think the one moment that, like, kind of took me out of it was when she, like, cried very dramatically. And now. Yeah, I was like, whoa.
01:00:15
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And maybe that could have come from, like, like you said, like, a ah more gestury foundation of, like, silence. filmmaking but um you know want to speak out of turn just guessing we're just speculating yeah yeah if you know let us know yes ed jimakitas please yeah i also wonder if like maybe different genres had different expectations the way that they do now you know like
01:00:49
Speaker
Like, if you watch a soap opera, like, as we learned in our telenovel episode, like, you expect a certain heightenedness. Mm-hmm. I don't know. You know, I... It would be kind of interesting to watch or see if we could find, like, a not super acclaimed movie from the back two years and see what that was kind of like. Because I i feel...
01:01:18
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You know, when we watch, you know, what we would now refer to as like the classics, you you know, we're picking class, like blockbusters. This movie only won five Academy Awards. Yeah, only. My gosh.
01:01:32
Speaker
Exactly. So it's like, okay, we're watching something that was clearly... a beloved and traditional and fitting into the formula of the time in some way so what else was out there like i kind of i wondered did someone do kind of a naturalistic you know take on on a movie at one point and it's totally bombed like no one ever did
01:01:56
Speaker
yeah i wouldnt know yeah that would be funny if we did like a and know what we would call it. The Cy6 foundations rejects. And we just did like the worst movies from like the genres that we haven't talked about yet.
01:02:14
Speaker
That sounds like a lot of fun.
01:02:20
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I feel like that would need to be another like it's a sleepover let's watch a bunch movies yeah that would be that would actually be very funny like we could watch not even like worst you know quote quotes but like maybe the most poorly received like screwball because in reading this book that i have there was a lot of um talk about like once this did as well as it did they tried to recreate it like oh really yeah like there were like ah a lot of these kinds of movies because they wanted to like capture but it was like this had this je ne sais quoi they could not emulate so um yeah so i'm sure there are ones that we could find that are like less uh revered um and then we could do like a like a network procedural that is like oh yes you know
01:03:18
Speaker
the most formula of the formula like that people are like oh that done I would yeah I would love to just watch yeah because this I mean this is a question that we've we've discussed before and that you have thought extensively about like what makes something bad what makes something good okay I love you know some of my favorite day you know yeah are like movies that have gotten like one star or whatever the point rating system is on rotten who knows yeah I think that'd be fun. Yeah. And then to compare them to um what we've now watched is acclaimed examples in the genres.
01:04:00
Speaker
Be interesting. Yeah. Well, yeah, we have a lot of little. yeah Yeah, we do. Because we all have to do like a next installment of this where we just watch like. You know, we move on to like the 40s or 50s.
01:04:13
Speaker
Yes, I know. I know. same things that we just We did ourselves in the 30s.
01:04:19
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I like having side quests. I know. That's what makes this so fun. Yes, we're just going to meander on this for long as we can. Because, you know, again, what's the point? Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:33
Speaker
Look, we're, I mean, one of the things that I love about this is we're doing this for the joy of ourselves. We're literally doing this because we're finding it fun and interesting and we're having good conversations and we love the show.
01:04:47
Speaker
Like that's, yeah I think there's something beautiful about that too, that it's literally just what is making us happy. Yeah. Yeah. really enriching the psych experience too oh my gosh without a doubt I i mean I've always loved psych but I feel like my depth of love and adoration for this show is like so much more extreme now because I'm like oh my gosh I get what you're trying to do you know like it's all making sense and it was all intentional and it was all just so clever and so smart and I love it yeah yeah
01:05:26
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I'm looking through my notes on the media to because we barely talked about if there's anything I want to bring up um some of the fun 30s language. It cost this paper a gob of dough.
01:05:46
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gob of dough. Yeah. Let's see. Yeah, I loved ah that they called him a newspaper man. I thought that was very sweet too uh oh the hitchhiking demo was very silly and fun very bantery yeah yeah and I love she was like watch this and just like here's my leg and then boom there's a car yeah and that's kind of fun like I don't I I don't really know like the you know the waves of prudishness in culture but like her showing off her leg in that way like
01:06:22
Speaker
Seemed very bold. Yeah, totally. You know, think they were doctor's traits. Yeah, like using sex, like knowing that she had, like the power that she does have is, yeah you know, in her sexuality.
01:06:39
Speaker
Yeah, I was actually, I thought it was kind of funny that they even made her show her leg. I thought they were just going to let her step out there. and then yeah that's what I thought. She was just going to be like, yeah, exactly. i thought the exact same thing. So I was like, oh,
01:06:52
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whoa And he's like got like a woo-guy the background. yeah All the great tropes. let me Let me just go through. As a rom-com stand.
01:07:06
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um When they sat together, well, first, like it was kind of there was only one bed, but There was only one bus seat. They have to sit together. And then also falling asleep. Yes.
01:07:20
Speaker
Yeah, it also... i felt like them booking the same room over and over, thought it was so scandalous, but also it being... ah They are in twin beds. It's like a funny ah thing of the time.
01:07:34
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yeah um Fake marriage. Yeah, the one room thing. Her wearing his clothes. Her tending his little wound. after his like getting punched and then like the deal that they made yeah and just yeah i mean just the whole structure of it was just like that is the blueprint as we say okay a couple other things i loved oh when he was running in to see his newspaper boss yes and um the assistant is like he'll shoot you if you in there and he's like i haven't been shot at in days
01:08:09
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yeah very psych very psych line yeah funny and i just i loved that guy the um boss the editor i guess um taking all the calls and like like just that whole scene of like watching him get all excited and then like and then they come in and tell him that actually she's going back to the husband he's like i just had forget what i said i just had a nightmare yeah and yeah and he's like I'm gonna have an aneurysm like it was so like I mean I guess that is like the screwball energy of just like fast silly zany it was so funny
01:08:46
Speaker
I loved how that um that newspaper boss guy seemed like he, you know, he got this information. Ignore me, I'm having an aneurysm. He's like, you know, you you think immediately, and I don't remember if this was explicitly stated or if it was just kind of the vibe that I got, um but you get kind of this feeling that, like, he assumes that Peter lied to him just to get the money.
01:09:13
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here Right? And then he pulls out the the article out of the trash yeah and he reads it and later on when he sees peter again he's like very soft and like kind to him and you're like he gets like you know that he knows that this was the thing and like now this man is crumbling from the inside and it was really sweet to see like yeah like this man be so je this like grown boss man yeah so gentle with him and his heartbreak because I feel like that's maybe not necessarily typical that's true yeah and like thinking like for the whole movie up to that point we've kind of seen them seen him be sort of adversarial for Peter um and I guess what so now that we're at the end of the podcast to frame up the movie um
01:10:08
Speaker
Peter ah has been fired from his job as a staff reporter at this paper because he was drunk.
01:10:18
Speaker
and turned in a i wrote like an article in verse or something like that. Is that what it was? Yeah, I learned that from reading through my my trusty book here because it has like a whole synopsis.
01:10:31
Speaker
um Oh, that's great because I did not get that at all. I didn't get that I was also confused at the beginning, like who was king and who was not because I think when I think it was Peter in the ah in the phone booth and when he comes out, everybody calls him king. And I'm like, yeah, the the king. Yeah.
01:10:48
Speaker
But it's like, you can't call him the king when there's a character named King. Correct. Agreed. This is like, can't have two blonde women. Yes. gotta be clear. We gotta, yeah. I'm already face blind. Like, I don't need to be throwing around people's names.
01:11:04
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Yeah, no. um So, yeah, I believe that is what happened, which, like, says something about Peter, like, like He's very, he's good at what he does. He has like maybe a bit of a drinking, like a substance issue.
01:11:19
Speaker
um but i think also he's just kind of like maybe depressed. um Because they do have like, ah oh, another trope that folks these days might call it like grumpy sunshine.
01:11:34
Speaker
where you have like a grumpy character and a rumine cares ah um sunshine sunshine oh it's like the the the um black cat labrador retriever combo exactly yeah yeah april and andy from parks and recreation did you know yes um yeah like they kind of have that going on and and he does kind of seem like maybe he's just for him to do that for him get drunk and turn that in and get in trouble and like lose his job and then and be all like surly about that he kind of seems like he's not in the best place yeah and then later when they have a conversation about like if he's ever thought about love like he kind of says like like he he seems to have these deep desires to just like of like what we were saying to go and be yeah and like to be with someone who like have adventure and stuff but he's sort of like
01:12:31
Speaker
has resigned to the fact that he's not gonna find it i think maybe at this point he knows it's her but he doesn't think he's gonna be able to have that um so yeah he's kind of a sad guy kind of a grumpy guy he i guess he's sad but he takes it out it's like anger um but anyway so that's what he's got going on um and then she we we kind of talked more about what she was up to she is running away from her dad because she wants to be with her husband her husband she has married him which was also kind of weird yeah um and he wants the ah the dad wants to annul the marriage which also pretty progressive for 1934 don't know i mean yeah um
01:13:21
Speaker
But maybe if you're rich, you could do whatever you want. Yeah, fair. Yeah.
01:13:28
Speaker
So, yeah. So she's running away to be with her husband. And they are our hero and our heroine meet on a bus ride. And they kind of make a deal that he'll help her get to New York, her husband is, if she lets him write the story
01:13:47
Speaker
like, her mad dash to happiness or something like that, he calls it. yeah so that's like the whole setup with the newspaper thing so in the end he does bring the article it's an even more interesting article now because scoop because he's gonna she's gonna leave her husband and marry ah new guy and he and the editor's like what guy or who's the guy and he's like i am
01:14:13
Speaker
my heart broke like actually broke where when the just the misunderstanding starts to just crumble everything yeah it was like perfect oh yeah yeah because in that final like she basically she says she asked him if he's ever been in love if he's ever wanted that and stuff and he's or if he's ever thought about that and he's like all i do is think about it something like that like he kind of confesses to her like what he wants but in a very like like
01:14:48
Speaker
grumpy way of like yeah he can never have that so it's like but yeah of course he's thought about it and then she comes over around the walls of Jericho and it's like it's me I love you I want to go with you and blah blah blah and he's like oh and then she hugs him and well yeah she has that big tearful moment and he's kind of like he hugs her back and then he like is like you need to go over there Right?
01:15:16
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want, like, what? So when I was watching it initially, I was like, okay, he doesn't like feel the same. That's why he tells her to go over there. But then we find out mere minutes later that that's not the case.
01:15:31
Speaker
So why did he do that?
01:15:35
Speaker
um Well, I mean, he may be so jaded that like, he maybe can't accept that. um he can't accept that yeah that she would choose him yeah yeah but it's so like cause she goes back to her bed and lays down and she's like still crying and he just like sits there and listens to her cry she yeah she's like sobbing like yeah not even trying to like keep herself quiet yeah and what she tells her dad later is like no he can't stand me he thinks I'm a spoiled brat and he thinks you're a terrible parent because you raised me this way and yeah like he doesn't want anything to do with me
01:16:16
Speaker
um and so and maybe it's that too like he i't i don't mean he does have this ah vibe of being i mean he's more worldly and more jaded and so maybe he just has this feeling that this is never gonna work yeah yeah and then maybe he just like allows himself to be like maybe it could if because also like if if he was like, yeah, okay, I'll marry you, he really doesn't need a job or, like, because, you know, she's got all the money in the world.
01:16:49
Speaker
mean, her dad does, but, like... You know, maybe like maybe there is something to that, like he wants to be enough for her. Like the fact that he would go and try to sell this story. um And what is going to pay for? i forget.
01:17:05
Speaker
i he needs a thousand dollars to pay maybe just the room. Was there more to that? can't remember if it was... Because you said that and I thought, oh, that's why he got the money so that he was like starting off their life together with something. But I can't remember if that was it or yeah, or if he needed money for something. Because at this point, they're both penniless.
01:17:31
Speaker
like Yeah. And they both have been no money. Yeah, they've had a ah rough go of it. Like, they haven't eaten in a couple of days except for, like, carrots that they found at the farm that they've slept in.
01:17:43
Speaker
Yeah, they're staying at ah at an inn literally because they've lied to someone.
01:17:48
Speaker
Told them that they would pay, but they're not going to. who was What's the thousand bucks for? it To tear down the walls of Jericho. Those walls again. Those darn walls.
01:18:00
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um Oh, and then he says, a guy can't propose to a girl without a cent in the world, can he?
01:18:08
Speaker
So I think, yeah, he's like, I have to get my job back and sell this exclusive so that I have something to offer her. Hmm.
01:18:22
Speaker
I know. Yeah. Yeah.
01:18:26
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You're already offering her something. Love. You don't need money as well. King Wesley had money. See how that worked out? Yeah. Yeah. yeah And I guess at that point, he probably doesn't know, like, what, because she ran away from her father. So, i mean, in theory, she herself has nothing.
01:18:46
Speaker
So maybe, like, he wants to be able to, you know, he wants them to be able to be together, even without... Yeah. 1930. It's 1934. So he wants to be a provider.
01:18:58
Speaker
Of course. Yes. Breadwinner. Yes. And then the walls came to him in the city that we loved.
01:19:13
Speaker
And now that the podcast is over, that's the movie. That's the movie. Oh.
01:19:20
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, is there anything, guess, any last thoughts about the movie? And then anything to bring it back to psych? And then, how do you feel going into season three?
01:19:31
Speaker
Oh my gosh. Last thoughts on the movie, I enjoyed it. I would love to watch more Clark Gable movies. um i have never seen Gone with the Wind, which I know is like a classic that also features Clark Gable. So I will maybe have to do that.
01:19:48
Speaker
Yeah, too, do Oh, no. Okay. Maybe I feel like we're going to have to add that. It is apparently like classic-y classic. Is it really long?
01:19:59
Speaker
Yes. I've heard it is really long. Nobody knows about Yeah. Like a... Oh, what's that word? What are the really long books called?
01:20:10
Speaker
Epic. Epic. Thank you. like an epic movie like an epic poem but an epic movie and i am i'm excited to get into season three of psych i think this was a nice like reprieve if you will from um no respite respite how does one say that word that respite Yes, I think it was a nice little like break from the weeken week in, week out psych, even though I love week in, week out psych.
01:20:40
Speaker
But um yeah, I think it was nice to get ourselves a little bit more context of the world in which lives inside Sean and Gus's head. um And to be able to see a little bit more of the things that kind of shaped them as kids and therefore...
01:21:00
Speaker
As adults, but I'm excited to get back to our murder mystery detective duo. um And get really into, like, the meat of Psych. Because we've, I mean, we've had two good seasons under our belt now. And lots have happened in the two seasons, certainly. But I feel like there is so much that is still yet to happen.
01:21:23
Speaker
But i'm I'm excited to get into it, you know. In terms of character, like... you know sean's mom is on the scene now the team is really like becoming a team i'm just i'm looking back at the after show notes about because we kind of talked about where everybody where we were leaving them yes um maybe we can yeah we'll revisit that and remember where we left them maybe we start
01:21:55
Speaker
season three with like a quick summary of where we ended season two okay reframe everybody how are you feeling going into into season three yeah i'm excited yeah i love this episode ghosts oh yeah our next season three premiere and in terms of again i guess we'll touch on it in the next one but like What we talked about, like Gus kind of balancing his professional life, like that comes to a head a bit in this episode, as does, you know, the situation with Sean's mom.
01:22:32
Speaker
So it is, I mean, it's a proper season premiere. And I love getting supernatural with yeah this show. In the most psyche fashion in that it's all a big charade.
01:22:51
Speaker
and So it's a big psych, if you will. Yes. I'm excited to get back to it. know I miss them. Yes, I do. Yeah, it's interesting that you put it that way because they have been kind of like our little buddies.
01:23:09
Speaker
We sit down once a week and we hang out and we discuss, you know. Yeah, like they call it you know when you're watching live like appointment television which is kind of like what we're doing with it and and I think we've talked a bit about like you know the difference between like binging something and which my more recent watches of psych have been like you know just tearing through and so it's like it's different to be able to like re return every week and um it's fun to spend this much time with them and I look forward to
01:23:46
Speaker
See them again. Back to school. Back to school. School will be in session. So exciting. All right. two so we'll see you back here then next week, first week of June for season three, episode one of the famed TV show Psych.
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