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S3E7: Don't You Just Roll Over
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Series spoilers abound! We’re watching Season 3, Episode 7 “Talk Derby to Me”. A string of robberies have hit Santa Barbara and the boys have been called in to find the culprits. After noticing scuffs on the ground, Shawn believes roller derby might be involved. We’re talking violence, exploitation, family, sports, and more! So grab your rollerskates and join Kylie and Skyler on this new episode of Phsysics 101!
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Introduction and Episode Discussion
00:00:20
Speaker
All right, everyone and welcome to Psy6101 where we discuss everything about the world of psych and the antics of Sean and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar and this is my partner Tracy with an eye Today we'll be talking about season three, episode seven of the famed TV show, Psych.
00:00:39
Speaker
I am just realizing I did not write down the name, so... One moment, please. Yeah, you got it. I do the name of the next episode.
00:00:50
Speaker
I'm excited about that one. Oh, the yeah, that one's good, too. that was Talk Derby to me. hey Talk Derby to me. that now that I say that, of course. Of course.
00:01:02
Speaker
Classic.
Nostalgia and Impact of 'Whip It'
00:01:03
Speaker
roller derby episode and we watched a couple things we did they were it was so we watched whip it and 2002 version of rollerball two version of butler ball which I love with it.
00:01:21
Speaker
I watched it as a kid. Oh, good. I've never seen it before. loved It was like, I think I expected it. Cause I've just seen like the cover. Yeah. um And I feel like I expected it to be like, kind of like a darker, grittier, grittier,
00:01:37
Speaker
Yeah. drama And it was just like a lovely coming of age. Yes. Yes. So sweet and cool. Yeah. And i also found it very helpful because like the way they explain the rules and stuff. I was like, OK, this is this good.
00:01:50
Speaker
Yes. it It definitely situates us, I think, in the world of roller derby pretty well. Yeah, and I love that it it really feels very nostalgic to those, like, 2000s coming-of-age movies that are like very wholesome, but still a little, like, alternative and, like, I just want to do something, dip you know, very angsty and teenage-y and yeah just wonderful. Yeah, I did, like, when everything started falling apart, I was like, oh, no. And then it really resolved, like, like, it didn't go too
00:02:25
Speaker
hard no no which i appreciated because i was like this is why don't watch movies they're too stressful and so it all kind of and it was it was very wholesome like yes you know i cry at the end every time me too when they go to the roller derby show or i don't know what they call a match i sobbing jules jules called it about which i think about yes all right let's call about Yeah, i crying hysterically, just like, yeah, so wholesome.
00:02:56
Speaker
So just so wonderful. Yeah.
Notable Performances in 'Whip It'
00:02:59
Speaker
Yeah, it was very lovely. Yeah. And I forgot, not even forgot, I don't think I realized how many talents were in this movie.
00:03:09
Speaker
There were so many big name people in this movie. Jimmy Fallon, which I was like, what the heck? And it's directed by Drew Barrymore. Yeah. So like I could see, because I think they're friends. They did The Beaver Pitch together.
00:03:22
Speaker
Oh, okay. So I could see it being just like her bringing together people. Yeah. It totally felt like that. Yeah. People who she just like likes. Yeah. And I feel like it made for a very good vibe to the whole movie.
00:03:35
Speaker
Yeah. And another thing was, like my husband said towards the end, like, oh, the was the guy from Home Alone. Was he? A robber. of them whose name escapes me.
00:03:49
Speaker
What are their names? I don't know, but I was like, oh my God, I thought I recognized him, but he looks so different. He's much older now. Yeah. and Well, yeah. And he doesn't have the crazy hair. Yeah, that's fair. Like just, and he's very, yeah, it was such a sweet role for him, which in yeah Home Alone, he is kind of like a bumbling. He's like the idiot one. yes um So yeah, that was fun. Yeah. But yeah, very fun cast.
00:04:17
Speaker
Oh, and yeah. What's her name? The one who played Pash? She's in a bunch of stuff. Oh my gosh. She has not aged at all. At all. Because she had like a ah mini role. Have you seen Severance?
00:04:31
Speaker
Only season one. Oh, okay. I don't think I've seen her in it. Okay. So the most recent season, I don't remember which season that is. Maybe it's season Aaliyah Shukat. Yeah, she was in it for like, think one or two episodes. She looks exactly the same. This woman does not age. I was like, oh my gosh.
00:04:51
Speaker
Wow. She was great. She was, yeah, awesome. And Elliot Page was great. and Oh my gosh. It was just such a treat. Yeah, it was definitely very- Marcia's gay hearted in that, is that right?
00:05:02
Speaker
Say again?
'Rollerball' Analysis: A Tale of Two Films
00:05:03
Speaker
Yeah, Marcia Gay Harden. I always mix up her and Mariska Hargitay because they're like the sounds are similar. Yeah, the mouth sounds feel similar. I agree. um yeah Yeah, she was great. I loved how she was like a postal woman and like wanted so much, like just put so much in these pageants. like I really felt her like small town, her own angst.
00:05:24
Speaker
Yes. I feel like one one of the things that we talk about with Psych is the like livability of the characters or like the reality of the characters and I felt like the characters here were very real life characters totally like I could totally get um even is it Sarah Paulson her character don't think she's in it Kristen Wiig maybe oh Kristen Wiig maybe it was Kristen Wiig I always get them mixed up.
00:05:55
Speaker
I can see that. I feel like I know Chris and Wig so well from SNL. So like, Oh, that's fair. I don't really want. Yeah. Chris and Wig when she, like, she has a son, we eventually find out.
00:06:07
Speaker
And it's like, okay, even that. Sweet reveal. Yeah. And how she is able to give bliss, like kind of another perspective about what it's like to be a parent.
00:06:18
Speaker
Yes. yeah Yeah, I thought it was wonderful. And a very, very different movie. Very different. Than Rollerball. I did watch Whip It first, too. So I feel like, you know, you had seen it already. like So we both went into Rollerball.
00:06:34
Speaker
um and yeah Which you selected for us. I did Well, I looked up a list of just like roller derby movies and this one came up and seemed interesting because there was like a murder-esque aspect to it.
00:06:48
Speaker
Yes. And we did discuss like if we should watch the 1975 original version, which I feel like maybe we should at some point. yeah James Caan. And... Or this one.
00:07:02
Speaker
And... Thinking about how young Jules is I could see like her having been exposed to this, although apparently it was a major flop. Well, yeah, I did listen to the, you sent a podcast. I did listen to it. Yeah, because I have mentioned it on this podcast before. how did this get made? And as soon as I pulled it up to watch and it said 3% on Rotten Tomatoes, I was like, I wonder if they have done it.
00:07:28
Speaker
And they have. or said I don't think 3% is you should listen to that. well they There was some funny, some fascinating like,
00:07:41
Speaker
kind of backstory to the movie. Oh, really? Like making up sort of thing. mean, I tried to give the cliff notes, but like one thing was that when it initially was um played for test audiences,
00:07:58
Speaker
and they ah hated it so he like the director had to recut the whole thing and so there's like a very choppy feeling to it and then he also this is like a famous director who i think directed die hard which we're supposed to watch next oh yes and um and also ah bunch of other classic action movies and i guess his like from what i saw on wikipedia his last three were bombs and Oh my gosh. um But for this movie, he was having tension with his co-producer
00:08:31
Speaker
and um he was having trouble like making the movie he wanted to make or whatever. And so he hired this famous private investigator slash Hollywood fixer named... I looked him up, so let me see what his name is.
00:08:50
Speaker
Apparently there's a documentary about him. Oh my gosh. He went to jail. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's a wild story. of Anthony Pelicano. um And the director, John McTiernan, hired this guy to bug his co-producer.
00:09:07
Speaker
Oh my goodness. And then ah like to try to catch him in talking badly about the production or something to like get hit or removed or something like that. Oh my gosh. Paranoid. Yeah.
00:09:19
Speaker
And then the FBI went investigating the uh, Pelicano, I believe, talked to McTiernan, the director, and, um, like, asked if had to bug this guy or or ever talk to him or whatever, and like and he lied.
00:09:36
Speaker
And so after all this, this director went to jail for... for bugging his co-producer over this movie. Wow. What so what a choice.
00:09:50
Speaker
What a, yeah. What a doozy for us. A real brush with crime in more ways than one for the this, this, this I-6.
00:10:01
Speaker
Wow. Yes, like real life crime, movie crime, lots of... And if you haven't seen Rollerball... Not the original, but this... I don't know how...
00:10:13
Speaker
ah
00:10:15
Speaker
much of a parallel the two of them are, like if it's an actual remake or just a reimagining, I
Plot and Theme Dissection of 'Rollerball'
00:10:20
Speaker
don't know. But in this version of rollerball, it's like, you know, a ah brand new sport they've created, similar to roller derby. There's like a roller derby aspect, you know, they go around. Once again, heading into this movie, I was like, I'm glad I know how roller derby works. Because there was yes a basic similarity of them having to go around twice and do the thing that they were going to do.
00:10:42
Speaker
Yes, exactly. And people were on skates, but there was also like motorcycles and like, yeah they had to throw things at something that- There was weapons, masks, fire. my gosh.
00:10:53
Speaker
Yeah, it was, it really kind of felt like a little post-apocalyptic. Like, this is a new world. What was, I feel like did not work for me was that in the 1975 version, it is post-apocalyptic. And mean, it's dystopian. It's set in like the
00:11:12
Speaker
From 1975 in like this... Intrigue....dystopian future. And in this one... Yeah, we have to watch it. It's set in like 2005. Yeah. five yeah It's set... I mean, but it's basically the same time. Basically.
00:11:25
Speaker
Yes. And... ah But I feel like they... instead of dystopia they set it in kazakhstan which i feel like this is probably not a great representation of that country yes but that's like how they sort of tried to have the same effect but it's like yes it would be a lot easier to buy if it was just in the future don't know why they put in 2005. yeah i really yeah
00:11:53
Speaker
know this movie feels like they had a lot of good ideas or like interesting things that they wanted to do but they just didn't like piece it together or like think it through well enough because even like at at the end kind of the overarching like thing that i came away with was like overthrow of an authoritarian regime which i was like okay i like i can buy that was like that yeah that sounds great like the proletariat rising up i get it like you know but tick It kind of felt like it was coming out of nowhere almost.
00:12:24
Speaker
Like all of a sudden they weren't allowed to like leave even though LL Cool J came back to America to recruit this guy. Like it was just, yeah it all kind of felt little piecemeal.
00:12:37
Speaker
yeah yeah i don't know if like they just didn't want him to leave because it was like they were on to them maybe but it was just odd because like yeah yeah like why were they all involved in this and like how did they not see that there was corruption in the game itself like right because it's like course there is it's incredibly violent um i mean i guess no one had died yet i don't know um maybe that was the other thing i thought was funny like like when i was reading the wikipedia it was like this person was like died tabo and then i think it said another person which i think i missed and then ella colg but i feel like in the movie they never actually explicitly said any of them actually died but i wonder too if that was like uh oh we just like
00:13:28
Speaker
we are holding the information. We can't tell you exactly what happened. Like they could still be alive. But i feel like it would have been impactful if like they actually, we saw them find out that Tabo didn't make it. Like there was just that part where he was like, um like he almost died out there. And then it like is never mentioned again. Right, right.
00:13:48
Speaker
Yeah. Until the very end when they kill absolutely everybody. Literally everyone. i know. And then it's like, let's go so my house and okay rock music and and roll credits.
00:14:03
Speaker
The end was like kind of super traumatic. Like she, she's like trying to, they're trying to kill the main character. Like she's trying to save Yeah, they were like stepping on They're behind her and step on her.
00:14:14
Speaker
And she's like screaming and everybody else is like trying to figure out what the heck is going on. Like there's a full on like. And then they do kind of rise up. Yeah. And then they start killing all of the executives.
00:14:25
Speaker
Like it was oh a lot. It was a lot. And then it was just like over. Over. And then as an afterthought, they're like, oh yeah, the miners are going to rise up. like Yeah. Like, I guess that's what's happening.
00:14:37
Speaker
I mean, there's yelling, but we don't see anything. Like, I don't know what that looks like. And then that movie ends. Like that's the most interesting part. Yes. It Yeah, it felt like it wanted to be a lot of things.
00:14:52
Speaker
And again, like they just, it didn't like synthesize into one. Yeah, I do wonder knowing that they did have to like cut yeah we cut it up. Maybe, I mean, I guess it wasn't, people didn't like it, the first version, but maybe it made more sense. I don't know.
00:15:09
Speaker
but Yeah. I mean, I still enjoyed it. um Yeah, I mean, I feel like the main
00:15:17
Speaker
The hard part for me was that the action sequences were like so long. They were very long. Like that first rollerball, I was like. Oh my gosh. It was like a half hour. Yeah, it was so. so it was like the movie was and app like an hour and 40 minutes or so.
00:15:31
Speaker
Which isn't crazy on today's standards, but it didn't need to be that long. No. We didn't need all that rollerball. Or driving really fast or what. Like they there was just really long sequences where.
00:15:44
Speaker
We're just watching action. i was going to say, because I wonder, like, it feels very much like... an action movie. You know what I mean? So I wonder, like I always joke that my dad's favorite movies are the movies where there's just like a ton of killing and no talking.
00:15:58
Speaker
wonder if someone who's into like that type of movie would have had a different perspective on on it. I think we certainly like more of the like character development and the understanding of the world.
00:16:11
Speaker
But it has a 3% on Rotten Tomatoes, so who knows? Yeah, and I mean, I don't mind like action movies, but I do feel like I get tired of just watching yeah i agree that for so long. Because it kind of feels like they don't have anything else to do. It's almost just like a really long montage. And yeah and then we watched another Rollerball game that was very long. So it was like right it's just the bulk of the movie was.
00:16:41
Speaker
Yeah.
Final Thoughts on 'Rollerball'
00:16:42
Speaker
And I wouldn't have even minded watching... the rollerball game if there was like something else happening behind the scenes as the game was going on like we literally just watched the game yeah and yeah that would be interesting if there was something a little more like like a surreptitious plot going on like yes exactly like a little more yeah because all they really do is he lets himself get beat to a pulp right and then
00:17:14
Speaker
he throws the roller ball at the executive. and yeah And that really does some damage. Yeah. Inexplicably. don't know if he was more hurt by the glass or if the ball actually hit him. Well, couldn't tell if the ball hit him or if...
00:17:31
Speaker
jonathan skates hit him because he like threw the ball to crack the window and then he went like skate first oh boy i kind of missed him getting in there like i saw the ball go in and then the guy was like oh and it kept like i don't know like yeah yeah it was almost like skipping the way it was cut together yes yeah um And then suddenly Jonathan was in there and attacking everybody.
00:17:59
Speaker
yeah And that too. I was like, Jonathan has just done like a very, and maybe he's just pumped up on adrenaline at this point, which probably, but he just an extremely strenuous sport, almost got beat to a pulp.
00:18:12
Speaker
And now he just crashed in through a window to like 10 plus people in this room and just miraculously manages to kill all of them. Everybody. Goodness Lord.
00:18:25
Speaker
was a lot. Yeah. It was, yeah, it was definitely. Yeah, at the end, I was just like, this movie's insane. And it really did escalate because it yeah there was violence and there was corruption.
00:18:37
Speaker
But like, It really took it to a place that I did not expect. did. It did. Yeah. In the beginning, we got like, I don't know, good 10 minutes of just like, this is a new sport. This is like, ooh, intrigue. And then it was like, oh, hey, we're going to hit that guy's helmet off. And everyone's like, ooh, that's kind of, that's a little concerning.
00:18:57
Speaker
And then suddenly it's just like, you can't go anywhere without people following you. Like a very, yeah, authoritarian, fascist state. And everyone's kind of watching and... And then all of a sudden it's like, we're just going to kill you. Like, we're not going leave the country. You can't go anywhere. We're now going to kill you.
00:19:13
Speaker
That was, I was like, why did they want them dead? I wasn't really clear on where how they got there. I don't know if maybe they were worried about, well, that's a good question. guess they were trying to get a North American cable deal.
00:19:29
Speaker
And maybe they thought these two Americans blowing the whistle would be detrimental to that. But at what cost? At the cost of now killing everybody and the entire game?
00:19:41
Speaker
Well, I don't think that is why it works better in a dystopian future because... Yes, that's true. yeah I don't think this would take off on cable in 2005 because yeah like it it is ah crazy sport and people are getting very hurt.
00:20:01
Speaker
and And then there's like the rules seem pretty loose. what Well, I mean, and then at the end, they say no rules. No rules. And everyone's like, what?
00:20:12
Speaker
How is that going to help their North American cable deal? know. I mean, I guess eventually they're like, cut the feed. Although, is it Sanjay, the assistant, who says yeah cut the feed? Yes. So maybe, I think Petrovich is his name.
00:20:25
Speaker
Yes, Petrovich. The big boss. Maybe he is at the point where he no longer cares. Like, his he's got a single-minded vendetta against Jonathan. Yeah, could be. And Sanjay does seem like we need to like this is a problem we need to stop it we can't he's like no murdering people and so yeah he makes the call to cut yeah and and petrovich definitely seems very like corrupt with power like he just wants to make as much money as possible he wants as many views as possible he doesn't care what the repercussions of that are and sanjay's like oh you've pushed it over the but i feel like sanjay's only concerned because
00:21:05
Speaker
that kind of violence displayed will put their business at risk but petrovich is like so upset that jonathan has his is even attempting to deviate from his authority like right he just wants to kill jonathan now Right. well because Jonathan, remember, did also say like, oh, I want a part of the prophets if I'm going to stay and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And Petrovich seems to see right through that, though.
00:21:31
Speaker
Yeah, he does. Just kill him. Sanjay, did you tell him to do that? He's like, no. what
00:21:42
Speaker
What a movie. Yeah. get I... I enjoyed it. I thought it was entertaining. I would not, like I said, have given it 3%. It's definitely not my favorite movie that we've watched, but I thought it was entertaining.
00:21:55
Speaker
I was entertained. I mean, I like, ah we have watched very big movies and we have watched not well-received movies. And I think that's part of it.
00:22:06
Speaker
Yeah. I like the spectrum.
Linking 'Psych' Episode with Film Themes
00:22:09
Speaker
Agreed. Yeah. I mean, as far as what what this got us, in our roller derby journey.
00:22:19
Speaker
There was definitely a sense of family. oh yeah. um Which is similar to Whippet. And like Sean talks about in Psych, this is a very tight knit community that they are going to have to be very careful infiltrating.
00:22:39
Speaker
So yeah, there's that. I think we got a pretty good, I got a pretty good sense of like a reminder of the rules, I think, because in the psych episode, Henry kind of very briefly tells you like a jammer needs to get past the players on the other team. But I feel like Whippet does a really good job of like going into the specific details because Elliot Page's character, Bliss, also needs to know how to play the game because they're playing forever. So that was good to see.
00:23:07
Speaker
Yeah, and um I think also the from both of them, we get this sense of, like, this is certainly a violent game. Like, you are allowed to just deck people and trip people. Yeah, although it did seem that ah in Whip It that the elbow to the nose was maybe illegal.
00:23:28
Speaker
And then Jules does that. It's something about, like, the wingspan. I'm could vary. Yeah. Yeah. so Because Jules at one point says, like, she came within my wingspan, so it was technically allowed.
00:23:40
Speaker
Oh. Is that it? Yes. Well, I guess it's possible, like, you wouldn't even see where you're aiming they're behind you. Right. And if you're trying to, like, propel yourself forward, I could see that, too.
00:23:53
Speaker
Yeah. As I make rowing my arms. You're swimming, yeah. oh I feel like also... um
00:24:03
Speaker
And I i feel like in Rollerball, maybe even more because that's part of social commentary that's in there, but how violence can escalate. um And we see that in the psych episode because, you know, how they're able to use the violence of the game toward more sinister ends at the end. Yeah.
00:24:28
Speaker
And also how they do kill your friend. Spoilers. yeah um But like the way, like that escalation, like I could see, I always felt this watching American football where um like when they do get a penalty or they do do something that is like over the line, like I could really see how when you are allowed to do something,
00:24:54
Speaker
so much and you have like so much adrenaline and like get to that place of like just using your entire like physical force of your body to like take people down like I could see how that would like mess with your head and like take you further like it would be hard to draw a line and um I feel like roller derby could have a similar thing. And so like watching these women who, you know, violence is very much a part of this activity that they're doing and then yeah how that escalates to murder.
00:25:31
Speaker
And I feel like roller derby, like even though there are rules, the rules do seem relatively loose. Like the the extreme violence almost feels like something people come to see. Like ah football, you are not allowed to...
00:25:47
Speaker
You're not even allowed to pull on someone's helmet, like in in certain ways, like you can't drag people around by the stuff that they're wearing. In roller derby, again, Jules literally dislocates someone's nose and she says, thank you.
00:25:59
Speaker
Like that was a compliment when she brings it up. Like, so i I can imagine that too, like. intentionally trying to hurt someone else because I don't I don't think at least the goal I don't know I've never played football but again I don't think the goal of football is to hurt someone else in roller derby this intentional violence I could see that yeah really blurring the line between like what's appropriate and what's overstepping yeah and I guess like another maybe even more comparable would be like different kinds of wrestling
00:26:31
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, that's point. And fighting stuff. like Yeah, like boxing. I mean, what they I cannot watch that stuff. But people, I mean, I guess that's what you're right. Like, that's what you want to see. And do think, like, movies like Rollerball are commenting on that, yeah which, you know, don't know.
00:26:48
Speaker
That's, like, a whole conversation yeah I don't have, like, a real solid opinion on. But um it is – It is interesting, but I always feel like that watching football. Because, like, you're right, like, they in theory, you know, they're not, the goal is not to hurt people. they're Right, right.
00:27:10
Speaker
The goal is to do football or whatever, but you are allowed to hurt people. Yeah. And so, like, I could see that being hard, like, as just as a yeah human and human psychology. Like, I could could just be, like, drawing lines for yourself of like, what's allowed and what's not. I could see that being Yeah. I can't even imagine like pushing people just like generally, like yeah using my body weight to push people. yeah And kind of every contact sport has this element, like even like basketball, which isn't as, as contact as that. yeah They're not wearing pads or anything, but yeah they do damage too.
00:27:49
Speaker
Yeah. I'm thinking even like soccer, you know, you're, you're not really supposed be using your hands, but like if you get kind of tangled up in somebody else, I mean, you're, flopping all over the place, falling down, you could very easily get hurt.
00:28:00
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, sports. Dangerous games. Dangerous? Sports are danger.
00:28:11
Speaker
yeah I do think, too, do think part of the commentary of rollerball is a little bit of, like, the exploitativeness hello totally which of the sport. Yeah. Football definitely has that problem, too.
00:28:25
Speaker
Yeah, and I think it in... You know, maybe one of the things that it has going for it in in placing it, placing rollerball in like a developing country is that you have people who desperately want to get out of the situation that they're in but can't find a way to other than playing this sport, which could possibly kill them.
00:28:46
Speaker
And the sport very quickly takes ownership of them by tattooing rollerball number on their face. Like it's, yeah, definitely very, very exploitative.
00:28:57
Speaker
Yeah. And there, there was like a very brief comment from one of the guys on the team that Jonathan and Ridley make like a hundred times what these local people make, um which I think is in professional sports in like real professional sports is yeah true in this, in the sense that stars do have these huge contracts that people are like, Oh, they make so much money for playing it. But like people who are just like on the team, not super huge could make a whole lot less.
00:29:36
Speaker
And then like people like, like minor league baseball, like make barely anything. So it is like a huge spectrum. And, ah but I think a lot of viewers do kind of equate the whole Like all of them with what more like what Jonathan and Ridley have with like the fast cars and the girls and all the money that they have.
00:30:00
Speaker
Yeah. So yeah, it's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be interested to, I think really think we should watch the original at some point. Yeah. It's not really a foundation, but maybe it'd be like a,
00:30:14
Speaker
A mini lesson, maybe? don't know what you call it. Like footnotes or something. Ooh, footnotes! You can make a PH. I love that!
00:30:23
Speaker
Precisely, footnotes. Yes, so we watched Rollerball and Whip It mostly because this is a it's a roller derby episode. And it's also theft episode.
00:30:37
Speaker
Yes. And a murder. yeah Yeah. Murder happens way late in the game. Yeah. Yeah. it does There's a couple of like fake outs.
00:30:48
Speaker
Like we think there's going to be a murder and there isn't, which was also kind of fun. and I do want to talk about that one when we get there. The one with the lake. um But the whole thing starts off with a flashback of Sean, Gus, and Henry in the house.
00:31:05
Speaker
And Henry calls Sean into the living room. Gus is there as Sean's representation. So funny. So cute. And Henry tells them that something's missing.
00:31:19
Speaker
I took something of yours. You need to figure out what it is. And I love this whole sequence of Sean being like, Dad, you robbed me? he's like, no, robbery is taking things by force or fear. I'm not afraid of anyone in this room. And it's like, well, yeah, no, no shit.
00:31:33
Speaker
They're like 12, not even. um So you're a burglar, says Gus. No, Gus, burglary involves breaking in. This is so theft, pure and simple. Like, of course, he has to teach them the difference between theft, burglary, and robbery, of course.
00:31:51
Speaker
And Sean ends up, you know looking around the room using his wonderful deductive reasoning powers and and figuring out that Henry took his BB gun because there were some BBs.
00:32:02
Speaker
I love Henry, of like when Santa comes, you know, and Henry lays out a whole thing. It's like he left a Of course. Like for Sean to deduce. He could figure it out.
00:32:14
Speaker
And he, yeah, is like, you took my BB gun? And of course, Henry always turns it into a lesson. So he was like, yeah, you used the BB gun outside when I told you not to. So now you no longer have your BB gun.
00:32:27
Speaker
I was really curious about that. Where is he supposed to use the BB gun? That's a great point. Not in the house. so That seems dangerous too.
00:32:38
Speaker
Well, I don't know. Cause I could imagine. maybe in the driveway. I could imagine Henry being like, we're going out in the woods and you're going to practice your aim with this BB gun. Like, I can't give you a real gun, but I can give you a BB gun.
00:32:52
Speaker
So like only under supervision, maybe, but not just like in the backyard where he could hurt someone or something. Yeah, that was funny. I also felt like when this ah flashback began, i was like, am I in the right episode? Because I forgot like the whole thievery part.
00:33:09
Speaker
Yes. um But then was like, oh, right. But yeah, it isn't like, it is funny that that's like what they pick out, you know, for the flashback. It's not any roller, anything, not sporty or anything.
00:33:25
Speaker
I do like that his... Because we've spoken before about how Henry kind of, sometimes Henry foreshadows, like the takeaway from the case. He says, Sean, thieves always lie. Remember that.
00:33:38
Speaker
And we end up seeing that there's just a heck of a lot of lying happening in this episode. Yeah. And the layers of Henry's lesson is funny of just like, you know, you're in trouble because you...
00:33:51
Speaker
broke the BB gun rules. And these are the different kinds of stealing. And thieves always lie. So remember that when you're a cop. like
00:34:04
Speaker
You know, he's only got so much time. He's got to pack in all the lessons as quick as possible.
00:34:12
Speaker
Yeah, this wasn't like a flash. There's some flashbacks that I feel like are kind of singed in my memory. Like I will just always... um remember yeah like i love the rocket one where they're like boy scouts and they run in the woods and henry gets it first you know uh this is not one of the ones that's like singed in my memory but i did really i enjoyed this one i thought it was it was cute it was cute so then we jump present day to zilk's which seems like a but name i know and um like the coals although not that big it's like
00:34:45
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I guess it's not quite that big. It's like a, yeah, like just a clothing store downtown or something. Yeah, maybe like a, h maybe kind of like I was going to say Old Navy, maybe like the size of an Old Navy, looks a little bit fancier than an Old Navy. Yeah, a more local or Old Navy.
00:35:04
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And it's the middle of the night. We have a security guard walking around, which I also never understood that. Like, what?
00:35:16
Speaker
Why is the security guard walking around in the middle of the night? Like how many openings are there? to in is round I guess. I'm always confused by things that happen. Just generally.
00:35:27
Speaker
Wow. I'm just confused by life. It is. And that's how I feel. and yeah I would guess that he probably does like a lap up the store maybe every hour or something like that. maybe he's just like bored. So he's like, I just need to. could be too.
00:35:44
Speaker
Yeah. Especially this guy. He strikes me as like I'm going to stand up and take a walk. I'll come back in a minute. He's a nice guy. Yeah, he was very nice. I liked him. He kate kind of gave me like buzz vibes.
00:35:59
Speaker
like a very Like a sweet like puppy dog. Just wants to help, but like maybe isn't completely with it. you know And so he's just walking around and then he gets smacked on the bunch of the um back of the head, knocked out on the ground. And we see a bunch of people...
00:36:13
Speaker
starting to steal stuff from the store we're like oh my gosh crazy and then the next morning the cops are called in and we get to see the extent of the damage which there was certainly ah lot they ransacked that place it really did i mean they're like smack smashing glass cases yeah pulling kind of whatever they could was definitely a lot.
00:36:38
Speaker
Which again, that violence, like that level of adrenaline that they like have to maintain, it's like, just go nuts. Yeah. but and i think it makes sense later on as the like diversion tactic yeah that it is. like The more chaos you make, the less likely they are to to notice other things.
00:36:57
Speaker
But yeah, very extreme. Very, very extreme. So the cops show up. We've got Lassie, Jules,
00:37:08
Speaker
Sean and Gus eventually. Vic there? think so. Yeah, she is. Because eventually they all squeeze into the room. Oh, right. Right. Vic and a bunch of uniforms, like, taking in inventory of what's going on. And i like I think the first line we get when we come to present time is from Jules, which I feel like is, like, a subtle setup that this is a Jules episode.
00:37:33
Speaker
Yes. Well, and I love to... they... I have to interview the security guard, obviously, he was the only one that was there. i actually really liked that Jules was the one standing, like, front and center, and Lassie and Vic were kind of on the side.
00:37:46
Speaker
It wasn't even, like, Jules and Lassie standing together in front of this guy. It's like, Jules is the one. Like, she's in charge here. Yeah, and I wonder, i mean, I don't think they explicitly say, but, like, in the past, or maybe in the future, we have, like, times where it's, like,
00:38:02
Speaker
This is going to be Jewel's case. I guess right an example would be when they go to that high school. Teases in the mix. um And, you know, it's like a big deal for her to be working this case. And I get the impression that that's what's happening here. Like this is yeah her case.
00:38:21
Speaker
um But yeah, I don't think they really like talk about that. No. they Yeah, they don't explicitly state it, but I think the the way that they're acting shows that yeah it is likely likely her case.
00:38:35
Speaker
And, you know, she's she's interviewing the security guy and he's like, you know, these guys were big, like... you know they knocked me out whatever she's like if I thought didn't see them they were like behind you ever and they eventually start at some point i don't think it was the scene but they started talking about like oh they must be paramilitary you know yeah when they watch the video Carlton is like saying that and I i do love that well I feel like Carlton makes a comment here too after the security guard says that like something about how
00:39:12
Speaker
Like, look at this place. Yes. or and Of course they were a big burly men or something like that. Right. They overpowered this guy. Of course they were, like, big men. Yeah. yeah Yeah. And then later, Gus says a similar thing of, like, what think when John Furr says, suggests that it's women. But Gus says, like, there's no way it was women.
00:39:34
Speaker
Like, this would take some muscle. Yeah. Which just...
00:39:39
Speaker
It's so annoying, all of these ah comments, but I love it how it is. Anyway. A pack of women.
00:39:51
Speaker
We get our first really great bit of the episode, which is good Lassie is, you know, standing there just looking around as Jules is interviewing the security guard. And in the distance, we see some mannequins.
00:40:03
Speaker
But one mannequin looks vaguely familiar. And every time he glances over... The mannequin has moved. Which I also love because he's not, the mannequin is Sean.
00:40:17
Speaker
Sean's not looking in Lassie's direction. No. the fact that like he looks away and he looks back and it's different. almost speaks to the like witchy psychic-iness that is Sean because he never sees him moving. He's just... Ooh, yeah, that's true.
00:40:34
Speaker
What I was thinking was I also feel like it's a testament to Lassiter a trained observer because he really does catch on Fairly quickly, yeah. Like immediately, Yeah.
00:40:46
Speaker
Yeah, he walks over, Spencer, what are you doing? He's like, right now I have my my hands in my pocket sans thumb. Gosh. That's a wacko.
00:40:57
Speaker
And, you know, he, of course, has to tell Lassie that this is the third break-in of its kind in so many months and, you know, kind of gives him the the lay of the land while being serious but also being funny.
00:41:10
Speaker
mean, I love the game he plays of, like, the mannequin. the mannequin. next to him, Tracy's the nine, told him about all of this.
00:41:21
Speaker
And then he's like, she said, I need to watch the videotapes. And last is like the mannequin told you that. And he's like, no, the chief didn't. And that all felt very real genius. Like to me, that kind of like game of like, because at first he says the chief called and told,
00:41:40
Speaker
I have to come or whatever. And then he starts talking about Mannequin told him. And then, like, hes he's just, like, messing with Lassie. But it's just so, so good and absurd.
00:41:53
Speaker
Yes, and' so absurd. And he's serious during it. I love it. Yeah, and I love that, like, the little, the other little thing that we kind of gain from this is, like, Gus is there too, but he's, like, doing his own little thing. He's got, like, other stuff to worry about.
00:42:08
Speaker
He's very busy, this episode. He's very busy. Yeah, we constantly see him with a book in his hand because he's studying for his pharmaceuticals exam, RxRefRx.com.
00:42:20
Speaker
which is I was a little confused about like the timeline because when we jump ahead to roller derby, it seems like some time has passed because they had to convince Vic and all this stuff, but Gus later says that he studied for a week.
00:42:37
Speaker
ah So I was confused a little it just like couple Yeah, maybe. Maybe we jump like two, three days ahead. Yeah, you would think that they'd have more of a screening process for like putting new people on the team, but Who knows? Maybe it's like an emergency. I always wonder about that.
00:42:52
Speaker
my kid about that too like wouldn't they have to do an ever undercover operation like do they have anybody on the inside to like put her there well how does that you know that's that's a good question because henry does mention when they're at the roller derby bout the first one that we see jewels in that initially when these robberies started they believed that there was a roller derby angle but they fell off of that and are now back on it through me I think because I thought Sean introduced that information.
00:43:25
Speaker
And so then it was it made me think that a lot of time had passed because they went away from that and then they came back. I see. No, I think that Sean wasn't brought in until the third ransacking.
00:43:37
Speaker
And I think maybe in one of the initial ransackings, they thought there was a roller derby angle and then fell off of it. And now Sean bringing it back up again has reintroduced the idea of roller derby. So I wonder if maybe initially they had someone in it.
00:43:53
Speaker
I feel like I don't like that. They already knew there was roller derby. It kind of like takes away the the wind out of how exciting that reveal is. Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:04
Speaker
Um, but whatever, um, Yeah, that did confuse me little bit. that did. Anyway, Gus is studying for a test. Yes, so that he can continue to be a pharmaceutical sales rep, which this makes, that makes sense. I feel like any...
00:44:21
Speaker
accredited person needs to like keep up on their accreditation so that makes sense and I do love that like throughout the episode we get kind of instances of Sean being like testing ya what are the lemicill and hemicill whatever the hell he yeah he tests them with later yeah it's cute and and Gus is of course very serious about this because He needs to pass the exam to continue to have his job so that he can continue to drive Sean around and do psych and everything. So he's like really, yeah really taking this very seriously.
00:44:58
Speaker
And yeah, so we get introduced to that in in this kind of first scene. Then we are all pulled into this very tiny surveillance room, which is like, I feel like the second or third time we've had a tiny surveillance room bit, which love it every time.
00:45:12
Speaker
So I will take it. And um they're just kind of looking at, yeah, the people moving throughout the throughout the store, knocking the security guard down, how they are kind of working together as a team to collect stuff and then get back out relatively quickly.
00:45:32
Speaker
Yeah, and this is where Lassie's like, those are paramilitary moves. These are whatever. Yeah, and he, like, names them, too. He's like, that that's yeah formation. i'm like, oh, my gosh. Okay, Lassie.
00:45:43
Speaker
This is also when Sean identifies them as women, and I don't really understand how he identified them as women, but he did. Yeah, we zoom in on something. Yeah, I can never tell what it Which is Yeah.
00:45:55
Speaker
It looks like some sort of strap. I'm like, is it, like, a purse? Like, is it something stupid like that? Oh, it could be. Yeah. Yeah, it certainly could. I i can pull the the episode up and try to see.
00:46:09
Speaker
If we can do some deduction. Yeah, I also watched it on my phone. Oh, I also watched it on my phone. So yeah, that's little tiny. That's fair.
00:46:24
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know what this is.
00:46:28
Speaker
It's some sort of strap. Alright, so let's say it's a purse strap of or something of the sort. It is weird though, because they're all decked out in like ninja outfit.
00:46:41
Speaker
And then just a random strap. Yeah. Hmm. Well, yeah, I guess maybe it is a purse. Who knows? Sean, it makes sense to Sean, which I guess is really all that matters.
00:46:56
Speaker
And this leads him to identifying that they're a pack of of women. And he has to try and convince, I guess, like convince Gus that like this is what he saw, they're women. And as Kylie said, he was like, no, it took a lot of muscle.
00:47:13
Speaker
And... In doing this, they notice that there's like some scuff marks on the ground and the scuff marks lead Sean to the realization that maybe they were roller derby girls.
00:47:24
Speaker
So scuffs from the skates. It is such a fun like build up of him noticing that yeah and putting that together and then like them going to the police station and like yeah him like building that case for going undercover and kind of not revealing what it is.
00:47:40
Speaker
yeah And then, like, I love that it's title sequence cut to Jules and the roller derby. It's it's really quite fast for as much time and information they cover. who And yeah, it's very, it's just really fun.
00:47:57
Speaker
Oh, something about the security. the surveillance room that we didn't mention yeah that I really liked was when Vic says who Sean is. They're psychic. And Sean says, and treasurer of the American Wicker Council.
00:48:17
Speaker
I love that one too. And so he's running for re-election on a, think, Rattan. Rattan platform. Platform. And then Lasseter. Oh, and he says, and this is my favorite booster, Carlton Lasseter.
00:48:30
Speaker
ah It's just...
00:48:34
Speaker
Amazing. It's so silly. i just love all the silly. Just so good.
00:48:43
Speaker
So we, yeah, we eventually end up getting Juliet to go undercover in roller derby. And one of the things that I immediately noticed when we were in the roller derby room, which I've never noticed before, is the song that is playing in the background while Juliet is roller derbying is Check Yes Juliet.
00:49:05
Speaker
Oh my gosh! I didn't notice that either! god! That's too cute. What year was that? What year was that song?
00:49:16
Speaker
Or what year was this? i I guess they... 2007. Okay. So of the moment. thousand and eight Yeah. It was early 2000s because I remember I was in middle school. when Yeah. Because I'm like, that's so nostalgic. But it's just the time. the time.
00:49:34
Speaker
And this is such a fun scene here. Because we've got Jules in the action with a bunch of other roller derby girls on the floor doing the whole roller derby thing. And unlike in Whippet, where they have ah angled, like inclined um track, they just have a flat track. So it's literally just like tape on the ground showing where the boundaries of the track are. So everyone is literally within like spitting, touching distance.
00:50:03
Speaker
Yeah. Of these ladies. which i also Something else that I also really loved about... um these roller derby girls is they felt very... like everything in in whip it felt very i want to say like professional like their outfits were all very like costumey yeah and like everything felt very almost polished which when i think of roller derby i don't necessarily think of polish and here they just had like tank tops with like their names like iron on stickered on the back which was like i could imagine them just going over somebody's house and everyone's sitting with like puffy paint like
00:50:41
Speaker
Like, painting out their little numbers and their names in the back, which I really liked. It gave it more of, like, a ah a realistic feel, I felt. So, we've got Jules on the track. And then we've got Sean, Henry, and Gus. And Henry is so freaking into this roller derby.
00:50:57
Speaker
He's amazing. it's great He's, like, yelling at them to throw punches. He's, like... tell him she's down she's down
00:51:11
Speaker
and yeah it's so fun to see him like in a less serious mode because I feel like he's so serious yeah and yeah well serious about the game like yeah game gotta go right you know yeah but he's just he's enjoying himself which is so great yeah it also gives me like it delights me a little bit thinking of him like really cheering on his future daughter-in-law oh yeah wait I love that that is really cute
00:51:45
Speaker
yeah
00:51:47
Speaker
I feel like that's a dynamic that I that we don't ever really see a lot that's but true I enjoy it because I just love little family things ah yeah so it is fun to think of it that way yeah totally So we find out we're here at this specific roller derby bout because the two teams that are playing are the only two teams that were off on all of the nights of the different break-ins. Therefore, Sean has assumed that the culprits must be in one of these two groups or some combination of these two groups.
00:52:27
Speaker
Yeah, ju so Jules is undercover. You know, she's being her very serious self, knocking people out, moving around people, doing her thing. And the boys realize that now would be a great time...
00:52:40
Speaker
To, you know, start looking around. Sneaky sneaky a bit. So they decide to go off in the general direction of the locker room. And I just loved them walking out of this arena.
00:52:53
Speaker
And them like in step, like in sync, in step. stepping over roller derby girls and they like fall out of the track onto the like general platform.
00:53:05
Speaker
I just thought it was so funny. Like as if nothing hit them, just like big step. Okay, keep going. and love you're Like what you were saying before about everybody being like right on the same level and like just the –
00:53:17
Speaker
not cheapness, but I guess sort of like the feel of it. It does yeah feel very like, like real in a way. Like this is just the local roller derby yeah league. Yeah, it is funny that like, yeah, there's basically no boundary.
00:53:34
Speaker
but None. And the announcer even calls them like the suicide seats, like the seats right in front where you just get run into and it's like your fault. You decided it was a barrel. Yeah. Yeah. so Too good. Too good.
00:53:48
Speaker
So we get Sean and Gus sneaky-sneaky into the locker room. Gus, of course, does not want to be involved. He wants to be no part of this. So he stands outside, quote unquote, standing guard.
00:54:00
Speaker
We all know how that's going to end. And Sean goes deep in his studying. Of course. that's what I also thought was funny when Sean comes out and he was like, dude, you didn't notice the girl walk in? And Gus is like, hmm. I'm like, hello, he has his nose like deep in his He doesn't even look up. Yeah.
00:54:15
Speaker
Yeah. I bet he didn't literally probably didn't even notice because he's trying to study. But Sean goes in and he's he's looking around, looking in different people's lockers, you know, feeling all the psychic vibrations. And in one of the lockers, I think it was Fox's locker. Yeah.
00:54:31
Speaker
In Fox's locker, he finds a broken watch, which he identifies from his wonderful memory as the watch or a watch that he spotted in one of the surveillance videos.
00:54:43
Speaker
So he has already managed to connect one of the players the... the Crime. I was just thinking, did this group have a, I feel like in both of the movies that we watched, the like names of the teams was a very important thing. And like everyone of course had names and Jules has a name here too. It's maniac, but in whip it, like what team you're on and like the team names, it's like all very important. yeah And I was just thinking, I don't think we know what that team's name is.
00:55:15
Speaker
Yeah. That Jules is on. I think we just know the names of the the players. Yeah, I mean, yeah, maybe they mention it, but it's not, it's like in passing if they do.
00:55:26
Speaker
Yeah, it's not integral the to the story. Looking at like when they mention the names of the women to see if there's any reference.
00:55:40
Speaker
And I do have to say, the one place that I was a little disappointed, and it's very rare that I'm disappointed with this show, is was the roller derby girls' names. I feel like we get roller derby names that are like hysterical. Babe Ruthless?
00:55:57
Speaker
Come on. That's so good. Yeah, they weren't punny. They weren't punny. I was so sad they weren't punny. They were just... names names yeah fox wild they just well well those were their actual names i think like their last names but they're because like it was like westwood was like lethal weapon oh lethal weapon toxic waste mania yeah and like kamikaze i think was fox from what i just see here in the
00:56:29
Speaker
but still yeah it not But yeah, they weren't puns. They were just terms. I feel like I'm so used to all of the good reference and good puns. I was like, gosh, missed opportunity, but that's okay.
00:56:42
Speaker
I did enjoy their numbers were funny. i didn't even notice their numbers. Well, i noticed because one of the lockers was 5150, which is the law enforcement code for a mental...
00:56:57
Speaker
health crisis, I believe. um And then one was like 38 a third or something. like they were The numbers were like weird and specific. Some of them.
00:57:12
Speaker
Others were just like eight. But there were a few that were kind of jokes. Oh, that's fun. Okay. I'm glad at least there were some jokes in there.
00:57:22
Speaker
So the the boys, yeah, got a little bit of a clue from the locker room. They then go back out to the track where they are glaring at people, not trying to be subtle. Leering, yeah.
00:57:34
Speaker
They have a discussion about what that is. Yeah, it's so much so that like when all the roller derby girls come over later, they're like, yeah, we're used to gawkers. I'm like, freaking weird. Yeah, I guess in that sense, then maybe that was the the right thing to do.
00:57:51
Speaker
Maybe. They're undercover as creeps. Oh, yeah. And what's that thing that Sean says to Gus at one point? If he stays in the car. Hold on, wait, I wrote it down.
00:58:02
Speaker
Oh, yeah. youre you're Yeah, you're going to be arrested for mopery with the intent to creep. Yeah. feel like it sums up this whole episode. go free the intent to creep So they, they're there being very not subtle. And Jules comes over to them essentially being like, what's wrong with you? You're going blow my cover. Why are you here? Go away.
00:58:22
Speaker
And the other girls, well, Sean says to her, like, we've been looking around. We found information, like go into the locker room, look around a little bit more. And and Jules essentially says, if we're working together, we're going to do this my way.
00:58:35
Speaker
Like, you need to cool it. Okay? This is a police investigation, first and foremost. So you need to leave. And the other role roller derby girls come over and they are like, this these boys bothering you at all, which I feel like is also... i kind of feel like it's a roller derby trope, like, in my mind. Because I feel like that happened, too, in Whip It. and Like, is this person bothering And like, nah, I can handle It's like, oh, okay.
00:59:00
Speaker
You got it. um And they eventually end up saying... that, you know, they're Maniac, Maniac 19, president of Maniac Fan Club, and Long Branch Penny Whistle, his vice president.
00:59:14
Speaker
I do love that. as much as Gus has checked out for a lot of this episode, he is involved right in this yeah this bit that they do. He's like 639 hits and counting or something like that.
00:59:29
Speaker
Yeah. So cute.
00:59:32
Speaker
And... That's kind of like their their mini cover for the roller derby girl. So they're just there cause they want to talk to Maniac because they're fans. And yeah, they don't seem to be too suspicious of them, at least yet.
00:59:47
Speaker
So Jules heads back to the station, which I also thought i thought it was really cute that she was like still in awe of her roller derby getup. Vic does not seem very pleased. It is funny. Well, and it's the whole...
01:00:02
Speaker
thread of like which Vic says to her you get a little too deep when you go undercover yes it's true and yeah so I feel like Vic is like seeing that happening maybe and yes like take off your kids she's like I gotta break them you know my family is my work is like Yeah, that's pretty funny. And then Vic is like, no reaction.
01:00:26
Speaker
Please take them off. Yes. Just can suggest that. and Am I seeing this right? $800 for skates? There are no cute ones.
01:00:38
Speaker
She is just adorable. like she's just i have I feel like so many times in my book this time, Jules is so cute. She is. She's just adorable.
01:00:49
Speaker
So she... Yeah, Vic is a little, it's interesting because as much as Vic is like, you're getting in too deep, she's also very clearly, she's like concerned. I feel like this whole conversation. Yeah, more than anything. Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:03
Speaker
She's concerned that she's getting in too deep. She's concerned that she's going to get hurt, that she's hurting other people because she broke someone's nose. And Jules is like, clean. It popped right back in. Don't worry. Like, I can handle myself. friends now. Yeah.
01:01:15
Speaker
She has a cat. Look at Jules making friends. Everywhere she goes, how she's grown. Jules making friends. ah But yeah, Vic is really i concerned for Jules' well-being.
01:01:30
Speaker
And I think that's understandable. I do think it's kind of interesting because Jules can certainly handle herself. I don't think that at any point Jules would really be in any danger. But I think Vic is definitely just like, want to make sure mentally, physically, holistically, you're okay.
01:01:47
Speaker
Yeah, well, I think Vic also seems to be a little frustrated that they really haven't made any progress. Yes. And so i feel like she she is concerned about these things, and she also has no – there's no clarity of how long this is going to go on.
01:02:02
Speaker
Right. That's a good point. she's kind of just like – she's kind of giving them – and later she really gives them like a – an ultimate, not an ultimatum, but you know, just that kind of like, you better solve it.
01:02:15
Speaker
Right. Time crunch. Or we're done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Which I mean, i you know, in Santa Barbara, the myrtle murder capital of the world, they solve a murder a week. So if this takes longer than a week, like we're below Yeah. Pick it up.
01:02:31
Speaker
Oh, one other thing I want to mention from that conversation is Jules makes a comment, roller derby is better than therapy, if I were into that sort of thing, which is another dig of at therapy. Interesting.
01:02:45
Speaker
So interesting. Therapy is very helpful. Go to therapy. Yeah. Yeah. I do feel like in 2007, maybe even more than now, like it was like, I feel like now it's very in to say everybody should therapy and to have therapists on TV and stuff.
01:02:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. um But in 2007, it maybe was not as um talked about, you know? yeah I mean, that was almost 20 years ago.
01:03:15
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. but What is it? 2007? I know. I know. Yeah, 2001 or 2008. Yeah. I don't like that. Oh, yeah. 2008. Yeah. So that has changed with how we talk about therapy. but But it is funny. And and also maybe like...
01:03:32
Speaker
We have seen like with Lassie, you know, there kind of being this feeling that mental health professionals are the enemy. And I can see that being sort of a thing in this line of work. like Yes, sure. Because they can kind of make you or break you.
01:03:47
Speaker
Sure. So, yeah, that was just an interesting thing to hear from Jules also. Yeah, well, especially because Jules, I feel like of all of them seem, in my mind, would be the person who's like,
01:04:01
Speaker
should do that like it's gonna make you better like yeah open-minded to yes exactly so yeah maybe it is just a like a signal of the times yeah but she also like could be the kind of person who's like that might be great for somebody else but not for me yes yeah like I don't need that which she actually she can really benefit from that with like all her issues with her father i mean think anyone who deals with like traumatic situations every should be good like any anybody with crime oh yeah no any anybody everybody anybody but certainly they should certainly they should yeah so i can't even imagine dealing with like dead bodies crime like serious crimes happening eventually they're going to go down into the freaking morgue and see dead bodies all the time like i know it's amazing how we haven't done that know
01:04:59
Speaker
I know. Woody. can't wait for Woody. love Woody so much. Soon. Soon. um Yeah, so Jules is back at her desk, and she's, you know, doing her little work. She gets ah call on her pink Razor flip phone, which I was yes! 2008.
01:05:19
Speaker
So her yeah her phone rings. She picks it up. And we're not sure exactly who it is that calls, I don't think. or Or did she say it was toxic waste? She said it was someone.
01:05:30
Speaker
She says later. I mean, it wasn't. Who is toxic waste? was either toxic waste or lethal weapon, but I don't remember. it definitely wasn't lethal weapon. because lethal weapon is involved maybe it was toxic waste i think maybe and they have like a very special like a special secret like on the down low opportunity for her does she think she can make and she's like yeah like i can definitely make it absolutely and she you know gets changed into her i guess non non-derby outfit for this character still undercover yeah still undercover very fun outfit yeah so fun print yeah it's
01:06:08
Speaker
off the shoulder yes here and she she heads to the psych office to go and tell sean that she's gonna go you know do this thing and we get to the psych office it's night the lights are turned down there's nice music playing he has a beautiful table set and she was like oh my god am i there's someone here yeah there's someone am i interrupting you have a date here and he's like no no um no you know i didn't know if i didn't know if you were gonna be hungry so i just i you know threw something together quickly and she's like okay well i can't stay wild like this isn't very like to see sean he seems awkward and it seems genuine like he really did put all this together like he plays a lot of games with her but that's a lot of effort yeah game like i don't think it is one
01:06:57
Speaker
No, I don't think it was a game. I think this is like serious. You know, we're going like sit here. We're going to have do a lot of work. So we're going to get hungry. Therefore, we're going to sit. He really tries to convince her to stay.
01:07:07
Speaker
he does. And like when she says who it is. Right. And to be fair, I mean, he was right. He says, you know, his psycho mumbo jumbo is telling him that this isn't what she thinks it is. Like she doesn't need to go. Don't worry.
01:07:19
Speaker
like yeah we're okay i mean it it's tough i feel for jules because it was suspicious like the way the woman like phrased everything yeah um but but sean knows because he looked in this player's locker and saw that she was on a reggae cruise the night of one of the robberies so she couldn't be involved Of course not. I love love good reggae cruise. Yeah. so which And obviously Jules doesn't know about that because he just snooped it.
01:07:49
Speaker
Right, right. And of course he can't give away the process. Yeah. um Almost foreshadowing. Probably not intentional, but foreshadowing for way in the future when she does figure out his games. It also is a ticket that she sees.
01:08:05
Speaker
Oh, um my heat Do we think they thought that far out? I don't know. I mean, well, it be more like when they got there if they thought back to this. But i and it's it's thin, I feel.
01:08:22
Speaker
But there are comments in this episode about, well, later ah when it doesn't when this does not work out, Jules says like she kind of wants to roll with Sean. So bring me in on your process.
01:08:34
Speaker
Yeah. Us being like, yeah that's a good idea, Sean. Why don't you bring her right in on your process? And he's like, no. So funny. Yeah. um
01:08:48
Speaker
But anyway, so, yeah. She ends up following her hunch that this is, like, something that she needs to go to. And Sean, you know, plays along. He goes, too. And he goes. And Jules calls for backup. Lassie's there. A bunch of uniformed officers are there.
01:09:00
Speaker
And they're, like, ready. Lassie's, like, ready to shoot up this place. He's, like, ready to go. And Jules opens the door to this warehouse, which Sean points out is different than any of the other places where a robbery has happened.
01:09:14
Speaker
And turns out it's not a robbery. It's... a music video shoot. Yeah. And yeah, we cut to Vic saying a music video shoot. Yeah. She's very upset. Understandably. She like, you know, put out a lot of resources for this and and Jules was wrong.
01:09:29
Speaker
But I also wonder kind of what's the,
01:09:33
Speaker
what's the like over under on that like how often that's that has to happen at some point like there has to be suspicious things that happen that people are like let's go I just need backup just in case and then it's nothing like wouldn't you rather there be backup and it be nothing than there not be backup and it be something because that especially Jules like she seems so concerned about Jules like you know let's just make sure she's okay but Sean takes the blame he doesn't want Vic to be mad at Jules you know he he tells Vic that his you know psychic wires were crossed and he threw a tantrum so Jules went along with it which I was also like yeah that's fair like he totally would do that believable yeah definitely believable and I loved in this office in this whole scene too Lassie was kind of like put me in coach like I got it and Jules or Vic was like you don't know don't you remember the prosthetic nose debacle in 2005 she says you're never more obvious than when you're undercover which is hilarious and she says it so like matter of fact
01:10:33
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. yeah And it's so funny because this whole like in the beginning scene when they were talking about sending when Sean was ramping up to saying somebody should go undercover, he was like making Lassie feel like it was going to him.
01:10:45
Speaker
And he a mustache guy. Yeah. And Lassie. Like, he really wants to go undercover. And he's, like, bringing it up again here that he really wants to. And Vic is just like, no, you're terrible.
01:10:58
Speaker
Yeah, not going to happen. It's funny that they don't reveal how that he's bad at it until later. also just wonder, like, what would that look like? This is a woman's roller derby league. like I know. Who does he think?
01:11:11
Speaker
Yeah. How is he going to get involved in this? Yeah. And I think Sean says something about – Like that he's so good with women.
01:11:21
Speaker
Yeah. yeah And Jules does like a little smoky laugh kind of thing.
01:11:29
Speaker
And is this when Vic tells them they have one day? Got one day. Because i won Sean says, I see us closing this by tomorrow. Yes. Or tomorrow. Which, ballsy. Yeah. Considering he really doesn't have, other than Fox, he doesn't really have any other serious suspects yet. Yeah. But that is Sean.
01:11:46
Speaker
Like, I'm thinking of when he, like, starts a nutshelling and he's like, oh, dude, I definitely know two thirds of it. Yes. I definitely know two thirds of it. We've gone on less before. God.
01:11:59
Speaker
So they end up leaving the office and sweetly enough, Jules is like, thank you for taking the heat. I appreciate that. And Sean's like, look, if we're going to keep doing this, we're going to keep working together.
01:12:12
Speaker
got to set some ground rules. You got to stop pulling rank on me all the time. Smoothies have to be on you from now on until we solve this. And then we' like you know we'll go from there.
01:12:23
Speaker
This is when Jules is like, let me in on your process. want to know how do you do so. And he's like, not not going to happen. He gives her some psychic something.
01:12:36
Speaker
Which I don't recall. ah Yeah, like they can't be, you know, working together on this right now, like maybe in the future. But so they end kind of going their separate way. She's focusing on, you know, her undercover bit and Sean and Gus to be it. Oh yeah, tells her to keep an eye on Fox.
01:12:56
Speaker
Yes, because... She says, that'll be tough. She's always around Wilde and Westwood. Yes. Keep an eye on them too. Yes. Because those are our prime suspects at the moment.
01:13:09
Speaker
So they go back to the psych office. Jewel's presumably going to roller derby to keep an eye on everybody. And Sean, using his beautiful memory, eidetic memory, recalls the list of all of the shoplifted items.
01:13:24
Speaker
Yeah, and we do see him in the office, like, look at each of them. Yes. Yes. And they highlight. Oh, yeah. Long list. Like, that's a lot of stuff. Because they've also hit at least three that we know of. Different in every places.
01:13:42
Speaker
So he recalls all of that. Puts it on, you know, their numbers board. And is confused by the things that they stole. He specifically references a Spanglish movie.
01:13:55
Speaker
tv He's like, but no one is stealing that. Yeah. So it's got it's got to be something else. And, you know, he reaches out to Gus. He tries to pull Gus in like, ask him, you know, what he thinks. And Gus is kind of not having it. He's like, you know, you're doing perfectly fine with your new partner.
01:14:15
Speaker
Sean's like, Gus, don't be jealous. like Don't do that. And he's like, no, no. Like, yeah, I'm not jealous. You know.
01:14:26
Speaker
seem to be doing good and that you know i feel like we've talked about this before too like gus and sean they're like so close that is it is occasional that gus will be like this is our thing like you can't have other people be getting involved in our thing yeah but it is funny because it all it feels a little half-hearted because he is also like not paying any attention yeah yeah like at all but he's like still giving sean hard time because yeah i mean that Yeah, and I can imagine it's still, like, even though he's not participating in his mind, he's like, Sean's still my best friend.
01:15:02
Speaker
Like, you're still my partner in this, you know, crime detecting agency. Like, you can't replace me with Jules, okay? As much as you might want to. Sorry. It is, ah like, for as much as he is focused on his test, like, he's quite present, really. He's still there. he Yeah, he's there every time.
01:15:22
Speaker
It's kind of... You know, I could see Gus being like, I am not working in this case because I'm busy. But he's still there. Yeah. He's like, he's along for the ride. So, yeah, doing his part. And, you know, good thing, too, because the book that he is studying from got some green gunk on it at the crime scene that they were at.
01:15:41
Speaker
And Sean sees the green gunk. Yeah. When they first saw it, Sean was like, did you just come from the Kids' Choice Awards? Yeah, I love that bit. You just get slimed? it turns out it's it's green wheel oil that yeah Wild uses to like lubricate her wheels before they go into a bout.
01:16:00
Speaker
So we've got Fox at the scene with the broken watch. We've got Wild at the scene with the green wheel oil. We just have to figure out who are the other people because Sean believes there's like four or five people involved.
01:16:13
Speaker
and oh i don't remember what the what the full line was i probably should wrote the whole thing down but there's sean says something and gus is like wow i never thought i'd hear you say that and sean goes more than sinkhole sissy feet flak jap google boots yeah yeahre like wow yeah that's a that is a bunch of random words to put together and i feel like I know we have talked in the past, not so much on the podcast, but we have talked about like similarities between Sean and Lorelai Gilmore.
01:16:45
Speaker
Yes. favorites And it really reminds me of her line of like popcorn monkey monkey underpants as far as like what's going on in her brain. Yes.
01:16:56
Speaker
and I do feel like they, yeah, that does kind of, that does track with Lorelai. I could see her seeing some saying something silly like that. Yes.
01:17:09
Speaker
So they, right, so they've got Fox, they've got Wilde, and now we've got to figure out who the other couple of people are. We're kind of assuming that Westwood wood is involved since the three of them like hang out so much together, but we don't really have anything tying her to the scene yet, so...
01:17:26
Speaker
Jules is at roller derby. The boys are heading towards roller derby when Jules notices that Westwood's like not around. So she asks Fox and Wilde what's going on and they say that Westwood's heading out. She's got to go take care of her um mom. Like something happened. It's like impending.
01:17:45
Speaker
So Jules is going to try and grab Westwood before Westwood. She leaves to see, like, you know, is everything okay? So she goes into the locker room. Westwood's in there. And Westwood tells her that she's leaving because her boyfriend is stranded on the highway and is in need of assistance.
01:18:02
Speaker
Intrigued. Lies, lies, lies. Lies, lies. Yeah.
Detective Work in the 'Psych' Episode
01:18:07
Speaker
Yeah. yeah so we know we know something's afoot. Something's something's not not right here.
01:18:15
Speaker
But Jules just goes along with it, of course. And when Westwood leaves, she notices that one of the ceiling tiles is askew. So she climbs up. And this whole little sequence here for climbing up this trash can always terrifies me. Always.
01:18:28
Speaker
You're in slippy things. That's what I wrote too. Jules climbing up there on her skates always stresses me out. Stresses me out? But they really like... I appreciate that from us ah you know, storytelling and filmmaking perspective, they don't like gloss over the fact that she's in skates, which I feel like one might in like a B movie or something, you might just see her do it and you're like, what the heck? She's in her skates, but they keep returning to her skates and showing her like steadying herself on the little like brakes on the front and stuff.
01:18:59
Speaker
Yeah. But yeah, it's, it's incredibly stressful watch her do that. It is so stressful. And she finds up in the ceiling that there are some scanners. Yeah.
01:19:10
Speaker
like handheld scanners that have been hidden from the masses and she takes out i'd love like this little handheld fingerprinting kit she had with her yeah let's open some tape and like get some fingerprints off of the scanners and then she calls does she call the boys or do the boys call her i think she does call and they tried to call sean tried to call her earlier and she wasn't answering And now she's calling them, I think.
01:19:39
Speaker
Okay. Maybe because she's in the locker room now. I guess that kind of. Yeah. So she calls the boys and the. She tells them about the scanners that she found. And Sean, of course, is like, nope.
01:19:51
Speaker
Copiers, scanners, notoriously not good in the psychic realm. Three hole punch on the other hand. Great. Let me know if you find one those. And she says that, you know, Westwood has been Westwood's now leaving and they just so happened to pull up to the Derby.
01:20:05
Speaker
At the same time, and he perfectly recounts exactly what she's wearing in her street clothes. And she's like, do you see her? And Sean's like, in my cabeza.
01:20:18
Speaker
Ridiculous. So funny. ridiculous man so funny And Westwood, yeah, gets into her truck and starts driving away. The boys are are tailing her. Gus doesn't want, you know, Sean to get too close.
01:20:33
Speaker
Not that, like, Westwood even really knows them, but I guess, like, he just doesn't want her to realize someone's following. Yeah. Gus doesn't want her to realize that someone's following her. It's a weird sentence.
01:20:45
Speaker
Mm-hmm. However, the bickering in the car leads to Sean losing her. He like turns away from, you know, the the front window as Westwood turns.
01:20:57
Speaker
So the boys end up losing her and then finding her again a little while later after she's already dumped whatever it is she had in the back of her car. But before this, before even losing her, we realize that there's something sketchy in the back of the car.
01:21:14
Speaker
Gus IDs what he thinks to be a human hand. my gosh. Dun dun dun. So when we catch back up with her, we're at like the the waterfront and we think that she is essentially, you know, dropped a body in the water.
01:21:31
Speaker
So she, she ends up leaving. The boys end up going into the, the water or not into the water, but onto the pier to look into the water. And they don't see anything until a body floats to the surface.
01:21:46
Speaker
Which this always, this sequence, I'm always just like, I know they did it for the effect, but I'm like, that's a real person. Like, that's a real person. Oh, you think? 100%. the water before the commercial, real mean, it does look very real.
01:22:02
Speaker
I think I still have it open. like one hundred percent 100%. Watch their mouth because they're their mouth slightly opens when they breach the surface of the water. I guess that would make sense that they would have had to have a real person because...
01:22:17
Speaker
It has to come up at the exact right moment. I guess that's true. I feel like they could have just like had someone underground holding. Like holding it. Yeah. And then release it when the time came.
01:22:29
Speaker
Yeah. Maybe just to like really control. i suppose. Oh yeah. The mouth opens. Thank you. Oh my God. How funny. And yes, they would have to. They would need to breathe. I understand.
01:22:44
Speaker
But I'm like, that's... Yeah. That is hard to mistake for a mannequin. Like, I don't even know if they're technically wearing the same shirt. Terrifying. Between And that yeah. So like, of course they think that that's a real person. Because it is.
01:23:00
Speaker
And then later on, like the boys, it seems like maybe the cops arrive a couple hours later or maybe this is like... I don't know, maybe they waited, you know, they left. in the Yeah, I kind of got the sense that they waited.
01:23:11
Speaker
Yeah, for it to like come on to shore. Yeah, and it's the next morning. yeah because it's day. Definitely dawn, yeah. And we see just all of this stuff scattered on the beach.
01:23:26
Speaker
And it turns out It's not a body. Well, it is a body, but it's not a living body. It's a mannequin body. And it has still some merchandise on it, but everything else on the shore and in the water is the stolen merchandise from the different robberies.
01:23:44
Speaker
So we now know, Sean and the viewer now knows that Westwood is definitely involved in the robberies as well. But Sean has to make a connection. we start this whole, this whole math Oh my God. So funny.
01:23:58
Speaker
Jumble. Can't even, I just remember four times, four times five. 80. eighty No, 20. No, that minus 80, 20, 20 is the number. We all know our basic math skills, Mr. Spencer.
01:24:12
Speaker
Yeah. I love Vic. Like I love Vic. Yeah. They're like to doing it, but like, she's like, yeah, okay, move on. But she, I love that. She's like, She's on it. She knows the magic faster than everybody else does.
01:24:25
Speaker
Yeah. number twenty Skater number 20 dropped all this stuff. So they've got Wilde, Westwood, and Fox all tied to the scene of the crime.
01:24:36
Speaker
But the goop and the gag of all of this is that Wilde sees Sean and Gus at the beach with the police and calls what I assume to be Fox's saying that Westwood really messed up.
01:24:54
Speaker
The police are kind of onto them and Maniacs fan club boys are at the scene working with the police. oh i also said I felt like this was fun um because we talk sometimes about like the point of view of the show and this really takes it out of anybody else.
01:25:12
Speaker
you know because we are seeing yes somebody unrelated talk about something and creating like this dramatic irony of like we know that they are on to sean and gus but yeah they don't know so yeah i actually think We're going to have to keep an eye out because i I wonder how much or how often that happens.
01:25:35
Speaker
Because I actually think it's really, i think it's fun to be like, what is going on on the other side of yeah you know, like the murderous villainous perspective here. And we don't really get it. You're right. Very often.
01:25:49
Speaker
it might be, yeah, something fun to to see if they play with in the future. let me go back to the store. Yes. I'm like looking at my notes and I'm like, yeah, same. I'm Gus and the mannequin. Oh my, that bit.
01:26:04
Speaker
It's just so funny because we've also now gotten like a couple of instances of You know, we had Black and Tan, A Crime of Fashion, where Gus is literally wearing a design that someone came up with.
01:26:17
Speaker
But now we have the opposite happening, where he's wearing what the model was wearing. i Literally stole the outfit right off of him, which I think is just so funny. Yeah, and I love that we get, like, a rule of threes thing.
01:26:33
Speaker
Yes. Sean mentioned it, the security guard mentions it, and the... ah shop girl mentions it. Yeah. yeah And of course, every time Gus is like, no, the mannequin stole it from me. And it's like, yes, that makes no sense.
01:26:47
Speaker
It can't be Guster. can't be.
Uncovering the Roller Derby Scheme
01:26:51
Speaker
So yeah. So while we're in while we're in the store, Sean also notices not only the scuff marks, but now he notices where the scuff marks are going, which they are leading to an employee only room in the back of the store that the skate Skate burns? What are we calling them? Scuff marks.
01:27:09
Speaker
Yeah. I like skate burns, though. Yeah, skate burns. That sounds like fun. So we we go into the back room, and I love this employee.
01:27:19
Speaker
She is awesome. She is so much fun. We just see this, like, employee of this store in the back, like, with her headphones on, shredding some stuff, and in walks Sean and Gus, and she is... understandably like freaked that these two random men just walk into this room yeah and she's like willing to pepper spray them she immediately calls security she like wants them to get out and in runs stewart who is our security guard friend and when stewart recognizes them she kind of calms down a little bit Understandably so. She now knows that they're legit, right? They're with the police. They're not just trying to, you know, freak her out in the back of of the room.
01:27:58
Speaker
And we find out that what she's doing, because it's now Friday, is she is shredding credit card applications, the one thing that she actually likes about her job. And... This leads Sean and Gus to realize that, okay, the robbery happened on a Thursday, the day before that they the day before they shred the credit card applications.
01:28:19
Speaker
Maybe what they were doing here was stealing personal information. So we jump back to roller derby. Everything's kind of clicking into place now for Sean and Gus.
01:28:31
Speaker
sea and gus They're realizing that, you know, the robbery was just a diversion. Really, their main job was identity theft to open up credit cards, fake credit cards and other people's names. You know, they can get 10 times the amount of money from doing that.
01:28:45
Speaker
Well, they go to the roller derby and outside they see Jules's friendship bracelet. on the ground. They're worried. Or a friendship bracelet. Is it for sure Jules is? I don't know if it is for sure Jules is, but they definitely make it seem like that's what they think it is. Yeah, and Sean is very worried. Very worried.
01:29:08
Speaker
Yeah, and so worried that they like break into Westwood's car and look at what's in the back of the car again. And again, it's a body. This time a real body. Not Jules, thank God. Excellent foreshadowing.
01:29:19
Speaker
Yeah. And I just, I love this this little bit between the two of them. You know, Sean's like, thank God. Like, it's, oh my God, it's not Jules. And Gus is like, it's a body. Like, it's a person. Thank God, that's a dead person.
01:29:32
Speaker
Yeah. And Sean's like, fine, I'm going to tell Jules that you're happy she's dead. Next time I see Jules, I'll tell her that you wish she was dead. Yeah, yeah. Like, gosh, okay.
01:29:45
Speaker
Not what he meant. You know that's not what he went meant. Chill out. stay Yeah, it's so funny. And They end up going in to roller derby to this final match just to make sure that Juliet is okay. Because she's not in the back of the truck, but it seems like something has happened to her or something is going to happen to her. And there's a reason they... Oh, they call.
01:30:09
Speaker
They're called. They call. They're on the phone. They're talking to Jules. They're telling them it's about identity theft when Fox and Wild come over and say, hey, we got to talk to you. And then she doesn't... continue to talk to them she like hangs up the phone oh right right right so there's a lot of suspense in that moment yes like something they're on to juliet it seems yes and they're on to jules jules is on to them we don't know how it's going to kind of end here but we end up getting inside and juliet's Fine. She's on the track. Everyone's racing.
01:30:42
Speaker
um But it definitely seems like trouble is trouble is afoot because Juliet has now been marked by Fox. And we found out earlier in the episode that when Fox marks someone, it means she is telling other people on the team to like knock him out, to hit him. But remember, Jules on their team. So it's like anarchy.
01:31:05
Speaker
Yeah. And she starts whispering to players on the other team and like looking at Jules, like basically telling everybody to go after her. Yeah. Which like scary stuff. We don't want that to happen for Jules.
01:31:18
Speaker
But thankfully Gus is there. Gus. So funny. He's finally in it. Yeah. Because Sean was giving him a hard time about bringing nothing to the table. And so Gus is like,
01:31:30
Speaker
you think i don't and maybe also like the dig about ah him telling jules he wishes she was dead also like said prove himself set him up for this yeah he's like yeah he's gonna go out there he's in this he's in it And he does. He literally goes out there and the announcer is like, you're taking your fate into your own hands. Like, all right. Yeah.
01:31:55
Speaker
Which again speaks to like how cut kind of low rent this is because they don't stop it. like They don't care that he's out there. yeah let it happen. You know, it'll be entertaining.
01:32:07
Speaker
And he ends up knocking out someone. Oh, he knocks out Wilde. And Wilde is on the ground. And then Fox ends up trying to come for Gus. And then Jules comes to the rescue and, like, decks her. Or, like, I guess steamrolls her, like, with her arm.
01:32:24
Speaker
And Fox ends hitting the ground. And then there's a whole, like, pile-up. Everybody's on the ground. That is a great, like, conclusion all of it. And it's just as, yeah, as Lassie and Pinkbot can.
01:32:37
Speaker
Yeah, which is, like, yeah it it feels very finite. like a very good finale um to all this and they end up getting arrested and we end up seeing just kind of in the background that there's two other players from the other team also getting arrested so they were the other ones i was it's funny the the other two are a real afterthought they are they are yeah totally an afterthought didn't really notice who they were at all Yeah, not people involved.
Case Conclusion and Character Development
01:33:06
Speaker
I would assume that they were the two people that Fox was whispering to on the other team to get jewels. Oh, that makes sense. Because they have some kind of, like, you know, relationship there.
01:33:16
Speaker
Sean also divines to the cops that Westwood's body is in the car and these two murdered her. So not only are they thieves, but they're also murderers. And he also keeps, like,
01:33:28
Speaker
being like, it how awesome is Juliet? course. He's giving up for Maniac. Maniac! And Westwood and Wild are just standing there like not, or not Westwood. Westwood's dead, but whoever it was.
01:33:40
Speaker
Wild. And Sean's like, I'm not getting anything from these people. They're criminals. Yeah, they're not. They're not playing into it. Sorry, Shawnee. They are not entertained by this situation.
01:33:53
Speaker
No. I also left at the kind of at the pile up moment there's a sweet little smile shared between Vic and Jules yeah but which and always appreciate their kind of mentorship moments yeah I feel like Vic is proud of her yeah she did a really good job Like at the end of the day, Jules is the one who actually does the nut shelling in this one, which is kind of fun because she's, you know, supposed to be, you know, kind of head honcho in here. She's the one running the whole thing, being undercover and whatnot. So yeah, she, she did well. Like they found all the stuff. They have all the evidence.
01:34:33
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Sean, you know, used some of his psychic-iness, but at the end of the day, like it really does feel like Jules was kind of the clincher. yeah And Sean really gives it to her. Oh yeah, totally. but Vic also says, tells them that they work together well.
01:34:47
Speaker
Oh, yes. Oh, my gosh, yeah. And Sean jokes for a while about that they're also available for embezzling espionage.
01:35:00
Speaker
Elephant theft. Things that start with E. And then I thought the little back and forth of Jules and Sean about the elephant theft was very...
01:35:14
Speaker
cute it was like just so grounded yeah and it really felt like they were just like kind of joking together but not in like a very like theatrical tv character way i don't know how to yeah explain it but it felt like they were just having a little conversation One of my questions with this show is always, and I'm sure it's out there, I've just never looked it up, but when did James Roday Rodriguez and Maggie Lawson start dating?
01:35:43
Speaker
Because i think that, like, though their relationship, like, their closeness offset, I think makes...
01:35:55
Speaker
these little moments so much more believable because they are just like two people that really like each other you know yeah and that is kind of what it felt like like it was just the actors which um yeah i was cute then the next day jules is bringing her gear back to the rink or whatever yeah and um sean is there in his skates And he orchestrates this little couple skate.
01:36:27
Speaker
He is pulling out the stops. He is. These are gestures. He didn't get his dinner date, but he gets his roller skate date.
01:36:36
Speaker
And I did think it was cute too, like that he like almost falls and Jules like goes to catch him and she's like, did you plan that? And he's like there, they're like, she's holding his arm. He's like almost holding her hand. he like reaches out to like try and grab her hand and like little inchworm finger.
01:36:57
Speaker
And she's like, no hands. So then they just have the back of their palms touching each other. Yeah. And so sweet. Yeah. Her saying no hands. Like, it's really interesting. Like, because she is always the one to like, kind of hold the boundary.
01:37:13
Speaker
And it's, it's interesting what she will allow. but She'll even entertain this with him. But she's like, no hands. Yeah.
01:37:25
Speaker
And it reminds me of like the close talking thing. Like, yes. Like we're not kissing. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah. We're not holding hands. We're just touching, touching. Yeah.
01:37:38
Speaker
That's okay. Yeah. Can't, can't step over that line, which it's blurring. It's certainly blurring. It is blurring. Yeah. Ooh. Thinking about that. Yes.
01:37:50
Speaker
Going into the next episode. Oh my gosh. Okay. of and The next very a one step forward, two steps back kind of thing that they're doing.
01:38:06
Speaker
it is. Which is, you classic television. Yes, definitely. Can't be easy. No, of course not. best things, the richest things aren't supposed to come easy.
01:38:20
Speaker
Knife to the heart.
01:38:25
Speaker
So our very, very last scene of the episode is Sean and Gus back at the psych office. Gus sits down. He's about to take his exam. He's having a hard time signing in. He can't seem to sign in. He doesn't know what's happening. Log in error. Yeah. What's going on? i'm like Why is this happening?
01:38:41
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Sean goes, well, maybe it's just because I just finished it. And Gus is like, what? And he was like, nailed it. Almost nailed it. but there's And definitely didn't blow it. I don't think.
01:38:55
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He also mentions it was like, yeah not as hard as something. Way easier than the super service. Yeah, yeah. Example.
01:39:06
Speaker
So he has this hobby, which makes sense. We know he took the detective's exam when he was 15. So funny. fifteen yeah So yeah, I love that that continues to be a bit. And he must have, he must have passed it because of course Gus continues to be.
01:39:20
Speaker
When he says like, ne congrats, you're still pharmaceutical. I mean, i would think in a test like that, yeah assuming it was multiple choice, that it would just tell you pass fail right when you finish. Oh yeah. okay And so he's like, he tells him like, congrats, you're still a pharmaceutical.
01:39:36
Speaker
Which i feel like he, never had any doubt that he wouldn't pass which oh of course typical sean and he was helping us study in theory so he probably just memorized the whole thing he's like i studied all week and he's like you know it's the journey character building yeah and then of course gus has to chase him around the office because he's so pissed it up and sean's like
01:40:04
Speaker
oh so good excellent So yeah, that's the roller derby episode. Roller derby! Now, Mike, is this, this isn't mid-season. Is the next one mid-season?
Industry Reflections and Episode Wrap-up
01:40:16
Speaker
don't know. Let's look at the air days. This feels like a very fun episode, but the next one is like very suspenseful. Yeah, I could definitely, I could see that being the mid-season finale.
01:40:28
Speaker
Yep, you're right. Ha! Gus Walks Into a Bank is our next episode. ah We've been talking about it for a while now. Yeah.
01:40:38
Speaker
I mean, it's a big... it's It is a big one. Of the whole series, it's definitely like one of the tippy tops. Yes. September 12th, 2008. And then they come back for Christmas Joy, November 28th, 2008.
01:40:54
Speaker
Just a Christmas special. And then they don't come back again. Until January 9th. yeah That's pretty crazy, huh? I feel like we kind of saw that last time too, though. Yes. There was like big breaks.
01:41:06
Speaker
They just have like a Christmas special. I wonder if that's typical for them throughout like the rest of the... Because we do... You're right. It is a summer show where it usually starts in the summer, but we do have many Christmas specials. It lasts forever.
01:41:20
Speaker
Yeah. sorry It just goes on. Like looking at season two, started end of July, July 27th. goes July through September 14th. It leaves.
01:41:32
Speaker
It comes back December 7th. runs January through February. Okay, yeah. So I guess that's kind of their schedule. Okay. Season 3 is similar. July.
01:41:44
Speaker
then they come back in January. So yeah, I guess that's it. And then maybe it starts getting a little more normal because it looks like season 4 is August. is august They start August.
01:41:59
Speaker
Yeah, but they still have a really big break. They don't have a Christmas episode and it's a break from October to January. And then season five is back in July, mid-July.
01:42:11
Speaker
Interesting. I feel like today no one would ever be able to handle that. Like a two-month break. yeah Everyone would be like, no. Episode's right now. <unk> Season five is interesting. So they start in July and they run through December.
01:42:28
Speaker
22nd oh three and two d and that's it wow and then they come back in october 2011 so wow what a break that's a 10 month break that's crazy well they're interesting Well, I wonder, too, if, like, I wonder what the production timeline is for some of the later seasons, because we do start to get these kind of, like, big yeah blockbuster-y episodes that feel very... ah sure. Yeah, I don't want to say, like, very produced, because they don't feel very, like, produced, but you know what i mean? they're just a lot, like, more heightened versions of what they it does feel like they've got more money and... Yeah, yeah. More locations and stuff.
01:43:12
Speaker
Yes. but So I wonder that must just take more time to do, you know, could be. Yeah. Well, who knows? We'll see. yeah. If you'd like to join us back here next week, we'll talk about season three, episode eight.
01:43:27
Speaker
I feel like we can't get into it too much now or else we're going to like, but we're going to watch die hard. Right. Oh yes. Which one? The first one. Just the first one. Okay. iconic hostage situation movie yes very much so i feel like that's good so if you'd like to join us back here next week to discuss a little bit of die hard as a ah lens through which we will discuss guest walks into a bank you can join us back here on tuesday season three episode eight of the fame tv show psych
01:44:00
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01:44:14
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