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Columbo/Moonlighting: How To Solve A Murder
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Series spoilers abound! Welcome to our Phsysics Phoundations Course! Today we’re discussing foundational detective shows, Columbo (Any Old Port in a Storm) and Moonlighting (Pilot). We’re talking villains, opaqueness, rom-coms, treasure hunting, and double watches, so grab your tv remotes and join Kylie and Skyler as they hunt their way through this exciting episode of Phsysics 101!
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Introduction and Character Discussion
00:00:20
Speaker
All right. everyone, and welcome to the Psy6101, where we discuss everything about the world of psych and the antics of Sean and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar, and this is my partner Enrico Giuseppe Carcini, alias Klaus Gunther.
00:00:34
Speaker
And today we're going to be talking about...
Excitement for Classic Shows
00:00:37
Speaker
colombo and moonlining a double feature for you very exciting no you jam-packed yeah i'm so stoked these were both really great had a blast they were so i've never seen either of them heard about them a lot i feel like they have definitely a presence in popular culture still yeah and i think like feel like i hear people talk about colombo more but like
00:01:06
Speaker
I feel like I hear writers talk about Moonlighting. or like Interesting. Yeah, like other TV writers, um especially for like procedurals, I feel like I get the impression that that is kind of you know ah blueprint type show for particularly with like the partnership.
00:01:26
Speaker
Yeah. Because I think they're kind of like one of the original like will they or won't they dynamics. okay. That's so interesting because i had I've heard of Moonlighting like as a show, but I had no idea what it was about.
Misconceptions and Intrigue about Moonlighting
00:01:44
Speaker
kind of didn't either. like i had heard i I didn't know what to expect, but I had heard people talk about it. So i was like... Yes. And you said, will they, won't they last time? And I was like, oh, is it like... a rom-com? Like, is it?
00:01:56
Speaker
I was like, I don't really, yeah, I mean, it is. It's also like a procedural.
Detective Show Comparisons
00:02:01
Speaker
So we were wondering if Columbo and Moonlighting were going to go well together. And I thought they did. Yeah, I really did not.
00:02:08
Speaker
I was not thinking like, oh there's a detective element, but I guess it makes sense because I feel like I'm thinking like, I think like the creators of Bones like talked about it. ah That makes tons of sense. Yeah. and And so like that kind of dynamic, which you'd see in a lot of shows, it makes sense. But yeah, I really wasn't thinking like, oh, it's also a crime show.
00:02:29
Speaker
Yeah, at all. And Extra Psyche because it's not – just a procedural, but it's a private detective show. Oh, true. Oh, yeah. ah Right, so they have to take cases. Cases have to come to them. Yeah.
00:02:44
Speaker
we Yeah, we see them like they're, well, the city side, what is it called? Huh. of The agency?
00:02:55
Speaker
ah City of Angels? Yes, but then it gets switched to Blue Moon. It's funny because I'm also... reading slash listening to the audiobook of um british title is the satsuma complex by bob mortimer and there is a private detective agency in it called the city side investigation so that's what i was about to um Yeah.
00:03:20
Speaker
So they're like struggling, you know, money is an issue, um which is something that we see in psych. So it is, I do feel like, you know, because Steve Franks was saying like, they wanted it to be her.
00:03:32
Speaker
Yeah. They wrote it as if it was her basically, which makes, so it makes sense that like, this is really a reference point for them. Yeah.
Psych References in Moonlighting
00:03:39
Speaker
But probably on a holistic level. Yes. And I, I love the idea that like,
00:03:46
Speaker
In the world of this character, like maybe psych is like she's gotten remarried to Henry. But it's like it's like a follow through, you know, it's like the same character. And now she's raising a child just like Bruce Willis' character. Kind of love that.
00:04:06
Speaker
ah Maybe she... um when she leaves Henry, she goes back to Bruce. Love that idea. Could you imagine if Bruce Willis just popped up her house? It's like, I would die.
00:04:17
Speaker
I would die.
Unique Traits of Moonlighting
00:04:19
Speaker
That's really funny. It is. was kind of thinking about her as Sean's mom. It was for not to like, yes. Like it is fun to imagine that, which I don't think she is, you know,
00:04:35
Speaker
the care I don't think the character is identical at all. yeah at all um But there and like there are elements like the coldness which we kind of talked about how maddie is very like psych maddie yes yeah we are gonna have to distinguish yeah um is you know she's an academic of sorts she's like a um she's kind of clinical about things and this moonlighting maddie has this whole like
00:05:10
Speaker
journey with coldness and just in this episode which we watched the pilot episode yeah so yeah I was definitely thinking of her in this moment no agreed I thought it was really fun i I did too I kept referencing like her as Psych Patty but I thought it was really fun to see like more emotion from Sybil like just in in this show and she is freaking gorgeous oh my gosh oh i literally half the time i was just like she is so beautiful like no wonder they made her a model we spent like five minutes just panning over pictures of her and i'm like could do this all day yeah it's true yeah no she yeah yeah it wouldn't and ruse willis is adorable like oh my gosh the pair of them are completely dreamy i can totally see why this yeah and feel like i want to watch the rest of it
00:06:05
Speaker
i I thought that too after watching the pilot. And then I was like, I can't i can't watch the rest yet. Because then... today Yeah, we can't talk about all of them. It won't work. i know. Well, yeah, maybe down the line. well yes As we get more psych Maddie in our life, we can get more moonlighting Maddie. Oh, that's cute.
00:06:22
Speaker
Like a sub book club of. Oh, cute. I love that. I'm moonlighting every month. I love that. you own a full moon night.
00:06:33
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. Wow. have little bonus episode. Yeah. I love that. That's so cute.
Columbo as a Background Show
00:06:42
Speaker
I also watched a Columbo.
00:06:44
Speaker
Yes. You picked this one. did. What is, so yeah, what's your relationship to Columbo? Like what made you pick this one? So Columbo is a TV show that always kind of like played in the background in my house.
00:06:59
Speaker
Cause it, I don't even remember what channel it was on, but they're like really long. They're very long episodes. They're almost like feature film length. I mean, this was like an hour and 40 minutes. So
Columbo Episode Plot Discussion
00:07:08
Speaker
essentially. Yeah. And then the Moonlighting pilot was also an hour and a half. And I was like, no.
00:07:14
Speaker
was like we picked two very long ones to go together, didn't we? Yeah, I saw some other Columbos that were like 50 minutes. Yeah, no. Here we go. No, not this one. And um I guess because they run kind of long, they'll just do like on TV, they'll often do like Columbo marathons where there'll be like four of them in a row and just play it all day, you know?
00:07:34
Speaker
And um in my family, sometimes it's hard to get like a TV show on that everyone wants to watch. h But also both my dad and my sister just like always need noise in the background.
00:07:47
Speaker
Like they hate when it's dead quiet. So this was always kind of like a ah balancing. it kind of just worked. So I've seen very few full through just because it was always a background show.
00:08:01
Speaker
um But I've always heard everyone say that any old port in a storm is like the best Columbo. I was like, that's what we're goingnna watch. That's funny because I, you know, on our Tumblr, I try to, like, re-blog stuff about what we're watching. And so I was, like, looking. And there was a bunch of stuff about this episode.
00:08:19
Speaker
Oh, perfect. It was like, this is the episode, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I could see it being a good background kind of show, too. Which is not to discredit or anything, but it's just, like, it's so cozy in a way. It is.
00:08:32
Speaker
Yeah, very. Yeah. and you know, it being old too. And I think both of them, I noticed, you know, they're older. We didn't have cell phones. Maybe our attention spans were a little less.
00:08:46
Speaker
ah They were like slower and moving. right Yeah. Everything took like a long time. Yeah. There was a point. I don't remember which exact scene it was, but there was a point in Colombo where like, we just watched
Columbo's Narrative Style
00:08:59
Speaker
someone walk to a door.
00:09:01
Speaker
watch them walk to a door and I was like oh yeah I guess sure no hurry we watched Bruce Willis walk around the car after dropping off Maddie in the car and I was like why we just cut to the other side like why are we watching him go around the whole car yeah we've got time time we've got tons of time yeah and I it's like nice to really like you feel like you're slowing down yes I agree and there were even like parts of it too that I loved being, I feel like, so silly to say it, but non-technology-esque. There's one point in Moonlight where they're looking for a map and they have to like go to the map room at the library. was like, I love that. Oh my gosh, I didn't even think of that. That's so true.
00:09:46
Speaker
But like i I wrote down like with Columbo, it almost functions as a device, but like he has to borrow everybody's phone. Yeah. yes and it is it's like you just wouldn't even think of that but it's like a useful like he uses it as a way to like reveal information that he wants to reveal or like you know you can tell when he doesn't want to because he's speaking really softly and stuff and yeah and it's just like something we would not even think about yeah just shot them a text yeah yes true looked it up on the internet on the phone yeah yeah but it was Yeah, oh my gosh, the like whole runner of him trying to figure out what the weather was and they don't answer questions about the past weather. But the only time he would be 9 5.
00:10:28
Speaker
What a life. I know. I loved him just because anyone remember the weather last Tuesday? Anyone remember the weather last Tuesday? There was another scene that was like... We watched for so long him ask every single individual and then everybody as a group and make a call. And I'm like, yeah this would never happen. No, it would never happen today. It would never happen today. But
Murder Setup and Aftermath in Columbo
00:10:49
Speaker
there is something like charming about it.
00:10:51
Speaker
Absolutely. You're like, wow, a simpler time. Yeah. And we just have the time to watch him try to figure this out. It's like half the episode trying to figure out what the weather was.
00:11:03
Speaker
I guess too, it – in in the sense of the framing of the episode and and and and the like you said the devices that they're using it's reminding us like the weather is really important true bit weather yeah that's a great point you know yeah again and again again and yeah because it is it like plays multiple roles in the case yes um we want to talk about what the case sure is Start with Colombo.
00:11:29
Speaker
Start with Colombo. So we watched Any Old Port in a Storm. And in honor of Any Old Port in a Storm, we're both drinking some wine. um because Yeah, what are you drinking? This is a Pinot Grigio.
00:11:40
Speaker
Nice. I got a Cabernet Sauvignon, which he did. Of course. He actually struggled. did. Which is, you know, fair enough. Yeah, it's fair.
00:11:51
Speaker
um Yeah, I liked that... I liked the naming of this one because I think at the onset of hearing Any Old Port in a Storm, you think like a boat port.
00:12:03
Speaker
At least that's what comes to to my mind. So you think it might be like a ah fishing ah episode. But no, it is port as in the wine. yeah We have a winery business and the storm is also very important there.
00:12:18
Speaker
So seeing this title, I was like, oh that kind of reminds me of like what Psych does with the titles. That's kind of fun. And I looked at, because I was like looking up the episode, I think, and like a song came up. So it's also a reference. Wow.
00:12:31
Speaker
to i would assume it's i mean for one it's probably like an idiom of some shorts and then there's also a song and like the port is the thing and as you said the storm it's like yes all the layers that is very psyche very psych so great way to start us off colombo thank you the the frame of this episode is that we have a winery called carsini winery or carcini wine run by ah ah brother, Adrian Carsini, and owned by his half-brother, ah Rick Carsini.
00:13:05
Speaker
And it seems as if... So the the winery itself, the land, was left to Rick, and then what was left? The money was left to It seems like the like yeah the liquid assets, so maybe cash or anything like that was left to to Adrian. He kind of threw it away.
00:13:24
Speaker
um we get from a conversation with Rick. So it seems like, yeah, Adrian has been kind of not putzing around with his money, but hasn't done such a great job of making the business make money.
00:13:36
Speaker
Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense because I like by the end, I was like, well, just as we go along and we see more places within the winery and like, I'm like, dang, this is quite an operation. Like, know.
00:13:48
Speaker
I've been to – I live in kind of a wine area. so I've been to a lot of little wineries and I was – this is way more like the lab and – I know. The lab was so cool. Yeah.
00:13:59
Speaker
And like the whole bottling thing was on site. Like that's – Yeah. So it makes – It's interesting. i felt like also like, like we've talked about how their little side characters that come in and out are like always so interesting.
00:14:11
Speaker
Yeah. And I definitely felt that here too, because like they weren't the brothers half brothers weren't really stereotypical, like no lay about and a someone who actually cares about the wine. Like they were, they're actually pretty similar in how um not prudent they are, but in different ways.
00:14:33
Speaker
Yeah. um Yeah. we just It was an interesting dynamic and sort of unexpected. Yeah. And I love, too, like the some of the other... side characters they have like i loved the whole like romantic thing with karen i not expecting that neither which i was like so interesting whoa what i don't know but i was like i like got like not only was she like secretly like into him but also used it as leverage so yeah she's like we're in on this together now we're getting married yeah you're welcome i lied for you now you're married
00:15:12
Speaker
And I love how at the end he's just like, like Columbo finds him and he's just like, yeah, it's probably for the best because I didn't want to marry Karen. Like that's basically his reaction to the whole thing. He's like, all right, fine, I'll go to jail.
00:15:24
Speaker
I did it. Oh, it's so, yeah, so good. And I love those like couple of random wine guys from the beginning that just like popped in here. i hear yeah Yeah. They were fun. They're fun.
00:15:37
Speaker
They're fun. They're going to be a Frasier. Yeah. Oh, I totally get that. No, I have seen Frasier. We spend time in their wine club and that was the vibes I got from their opening things and being very serious about it.
00:15:52
Speaker
Makes sense. And I do, I also love Columbo as a character. I think he's really fun. So lovable. but So lovable and very similar to... Sean in some ways like that kind of unassuming like disarming thing that he does mean that's exactly I feel like that's the perfect word for him because he's like and he he just like lets you kind of think that you are ahead of him but really he's just got it all figured out yep and he's just taken like tiny little pieces and notching them in to like really hammer down the case but he really knows like he can tell from the start kind of what's going on here yeah it's so fun and i remember i i thought about how i think it was in psi versus psi where the wiki said that the shot sean going oh and just one more thing like was a reference to
00:16:46
Speaker
Yes. Columbo. And like that, that whole thing of just like, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, I'm not questioning you anymore, but oh, just one more thing. Let me just, you know, like, it's so.
00:17:00
Speaker
smart and um but yeah it makes him very like he makes people comfortable yes so they let their guard down yes he has a very good sense of people which is so sean so sean like even i loved the the quick little passing between him and the custodian in the winery who old italian man like just kind of mopping up afterwards and there's like a little bit of a language barrier but still he gets like so much information out of him just from being like a kind person and understanding his situation i feel like that was really sean too like how he took a wine like he took a tour and like he did not tell anybody what he was there for and he's just like and he was like seemed genuinely interested asking questions oh can i get a job here and then he's just talking to people
00:17:52
Speaker
And like, that would be what Sean would do. It just like, totally just sort be there and soak it all in and then kind of, you know, see where that leads rather than like going in with any kind of.
00:18:05
Speaker
Yeah. Like intentional. feeling His intentions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's great. I i really loved him as a character. And I love this, too. like We get like little bits of like his wife and his kid like here and there. Yeah, that also surprised me. yeah don't know I know this is a classic character, but I don't know anything about him. And I was like, whoa, he's got a wife.
00:18:25
Speaker
He's got kids. Yeah, they go on picnics. I'm like so cute. I know. got a whole wife. Yeah, that really adds... dimension to him and I don't it'd be interesting to watch more of this too because just like the norms of procedurals we see now like for like one thing that I found really in both of them was that we spent a a lot more time with like the bad guy oh yeah yeah yeah yeah ever really do and I mean and I would say most at least like know I think the tropes of more like workplace comedy and like found family kind of stuff mm-hmm
00:19:09
Speaker
is really present in a lot of our shows. Yeah. The two thousands. Like I think that, which love those, but it is interesting to kind of like, we spent, i mean, what, like the first 20 minutes, we didn't even see Columbo.
00:19:23
Speaker
I know. Yeah. i one of the things that I love about the Columbo series is that you get exactly what happened in the crime straight up from the front.
00:19:37
Speaker
And also, this was like cold as hell. Like this was, I could not, I was like, he, I'm sorry, what? Is he gonna, and I was like, is he gonna, maybe he won't die. Maybe he'll just go missing. I'm like, no, no, no. He left him.
00:19:50
Speaker
He just left him to die and struggle. and Like that was so, my God. cold I know. Yeah, it was it was bad, bad. And I thought to like to give you some context.
00:20:03
Speaker
So Rick comes and Rick, is the one who owns the land, Rick comes and pretty much says, Adrian, person who runs the winery, you're losing so much money. Not going to happen anymore. I'm selling the land.
00:20:14
Speaker
Sucks to suck. Deal with it.
Motives and Investigation in Columbo
00:20:16
Speaker
And Adrian's like, no, I love my wine. And he's selling it to like a like a two buck Chuck kind of winery. They sell 69 cents a bottle. It's not even wine. that's The swill like he has like Italian hand gestures.
00:20:29
Speaker
Yes. but He has, ah Adrian had like a meltdown. Yes. And he's like a connoisseur of wine we see. In the most obnoxious the version. most obnoxious. Yes, absolutely.
00:20:42
Speaker
And he ends up, in order to prevent Rick from selling the wine in a fit of rage, hits him upside the head with a telephone. Barely in a fit of rage. Rick is like, you don't have a choice.
00:20:53
Speaker
And Adrian's like, yes, I do. Just hits yeah And he's not dead. like so Exactly. That's what I thought. I thought he was going to hit him on the head and then be like, this is a bad choice. That'd be better.
00:21:06
Speaker
Yeah, that'd be more no sympathetic. um Yeah, he just, he's, he is truly unhinged. Like he, yeah, he hits him over the head. He goes back to join his party that he just left because he just went to grab another bottle of wine. Yeah.
00:21:23
Speaker
him. Leaves him. Leaves him on his floor in his office. Runs into his secretary who happened to come in Sends her away. Goes back to the party. Has a toast. Like he's... and The only tell yeah that he has the other guy decant the wine. So like doesn't have a steady hand. But like him ah he is quite composed.
00:21:48
Speaker
And then when they leave he... he takes him into his secret little cellar off the side of his office ties him up love but it's kind of really super weird i know i'm like is it does anybody know this is here but because he like presses on the wall and it pops open like a secret passage we're cool yeah and yeah and he ties his half brother his brother ties him up and leaves him there to die he leaves flies across the country to go to some wine auctions Okay, here... Hold on. i
00:22:21
Speaker
I have a question. So initially, I'm just thinking of this now. When I was watching it initially, he turns off like a button in the wine cellar.
00:22:33
Speaker
And I thought just by watching that it was like... an oxygen button. I don't know why wine would need oxygen. That's what my brain said.
00:22:44
Speaker
Because then by turning that off, there's no, theoretically no oxygen in the cellar. So he would suffocate, right? But we find out later, it's not an oxygen thing. It's like a humidifier and an air conditioner to like keep the wine fresh. Which I guess in a way is sort of the same thing. Oh, is it? Okay. Because I don't really know. I mean, it's not, I mean, I don't, like we wouldn't have I think by turning off the air and sealing the room, eventually the air runs out.
00:23:14
Speaker
Okay, okay, okay, okay. All right, that makes sense. Because that's what I was going to ask. How did he actually die? Because they say suffocation. But I would suppose that there would be air, but I guess, yeah, after a while there would be no oxygen left.
00:23:27
Speaker
Yeah, I think we have we have to just accept that, but i don't I don't know that that would be the case. It would have to be a really, which I guess maybe it is a very sealed route. It could be. I mean, I guess with the wine and how seriously he takes his wine, it could be. Yeah.
00:23:43
Speaker
And it does kind of look like when we eventually go back to it with Colombo, it does kind of look like a vault, like a sealed vault. There's a word for it, but I don't remember it. Yeah.
00:23:55
Speaker
Like that type of, vat you know what i mean Anyway. So it could be, yeah, it could be that there's just no oxygen if this thing isn't pumping and therefore he suffocates.
Cold Nature of Murder in Columbo
00:24:03
Speaker
Yeah. But like when we go back, like...
00:24:07
Speaker
So we go to New York and then we come back and Adrian goes in there and he's dead. And there's like baskets on the ground. Like you see the evidence that he was like dying and trying to get out of there. Like it's, ah it is disturbing.
00:24:25
Speaker
Yes, it is. very yeah It's very sad. And he doesn't even seem to like miss a beat. He just kind keeps doing what he's doing. Cold-blooded.
00:24:35
Speaker
Yeah. And it's funny at the end because Colette seems like they're like buds. Yeah. He always friends with the murderers. don't know.
00:24:46
Speaker
yeah That's a good question. He always friends with the murderers. Yeah. But it it it was fun because like if I'm watching... like a crime show from right now. I usually, cause the first, like, usually the cold open is the murder yeah a lot of times.
00:25:03
Speaker
Yes. And I usually fast forward right through that. who Unless I can tell, like, I'm not going to see the murder. Yes. Yeah. Cause they're just going to find the body. I'm like, okay, that I can deal with. But yeah, usually i don't really want to see that. So like having to watch like 20 minutes of him killing this guy because it took long time.
00:25:22
Speaker
Yeah, it And we saw the whole thing too. Yeah, we saw saw every little gory detail. Yeah, the swims, whatever, the scuba suits, throw them into the ocean. We saw him like floating in the ocean. It's incredibly calculated. Like, i mean, I guess he got he had to he had his whole trip to New York to think about what he was going to do.
00:25:42
Speaker
Yes, that's true. I know, because I was kind of thinking that, too, because in like my mind, when we when I think about crime, like someone murdering someone, murder, you I think like it's very planned.
00:25:55
Speaker
You know what i mean? like The cover-up is very, very planned. But even in this case, parts of it did feel very much like... Okay, he's here on the ground. What am I going to
Adrian's Impulsive Actions
00:26:05
Speaker
do? Like, I can't leave him here on the ground. all right, i guess i'm going to put him in the cellar. All right, well, if I put him in the cellar, I can't just leave him in the cellar. He'll destroy all the wine. So I got to tie him up.
00:26:11
Speaker
All right, I'm going to tie him up. If you give a mouse a cookie, like the most horrific version. Yeah, it does. It feels just kind of like he he kind of falls into this. And then he goes to New York and has an entire week to think about.
00:26:25
Speaker
Like, how am I going to dispose of this body? Yes, and then he gets back in it and it like makes sense, quote unquote. What happens? um But before then, yeah, it was it was interesting how it felt very much like, OK, I got to do this and then I have to do it. Like it almost felt accidental, like he fell into it somehow, um which isn't usually what I think of when I think of murder.
00:26:48
Speaker
Well, I mean, I guess this is like a true crime of passion. And so that yeah makes sense that he would be improvising. But then, yeah, he's got by the time he comes back.
00:27:02
Speaker
I mean, it's also crazy that like um he didn't. I mean, just to leave him there to die. To leave him there to die, then to tell Karen to send a letter and to give her $5,000 to send as a wedding gift, knowing this man is dead. I was like, bastard.
00:27:21
Speaker
I was like, holy God. i know. What? Crazy. But he's creating an alibi, right? Yeah. Oh, I mean, it's really a perfect crime, except Columbo asks all the right questions.
00:27:37
Speaker
Yes. Yeah, he was fun. And it was fun, too, to see in a less techie age how Columbo still gets to the same conclusion. You know what mean? Very much in the sense of similarly to so Sean, how Sean kind like pieces...
00:27:54
Speaker
these little bits together like he's not necessarily using he's not using like any of the forensic kind of stuff that last year Jules would be using he just uses like inconsistencies I thought it was fun to see Columbo use inconsistencies ah as well but like in this time where yeah things move much slower I don't know yeah well I did think about that and not to sound like a real young person But I was like, how accurate was like medical examination at the time? I did not know like how much they were going to get out of the autopsy, but like they, yeah they did figure out like,
00:28:34
Speaker
You know, um I think a lot of inconsistencies, as you said, came out of that. Like the fact that he hadn't eaten for two days. He, yeah I guess, was in the water for like, had to, or like would have been because he died six days ago or whatever. He would have been in the water for a while.
00:28:51
Speaker
Like none of it really added up because of the facts that that revealed. And I was kind of, when they were taking him out, I'm like, do how does this work? Do they do it? on Right. Does that even exist
Columbo's Detective Skills
00:29:03
Speaker
yet?
00:29:03
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Stone Age or whatever. No offense. No, no, no. Of course not. No, no. Yeah, no, I agree. And I think, like you said, it's kind of interesting that actually we see some things that really don't line up, but that they can explain away because the science isn't quite there yet. Like, for example...
00:29:26
Speaker
He hit his head. We know his head was hit some point. So he must have hit it underwater. Like we can't yet determine, was this a sharp object? Was this a blunt object? Was this the, you know, what shape did this look like? I don't even know if they can do that nowadays, but they do it in bones. So I'm going to guess that can. Right.
00:29:41
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Of course. on a contemporary crime show, they would have had a whole like. Absolutely. 3D re. Yeah. Rendering of the. Rendering of the crime. Yeah. 100%.
00:29:52
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one hundred percent So they like that they definitely got wrong. But Columbo was able to use other details like the fact that he had needed days to figure the the whole thing out.
00:30:04
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Yeah. A true ah that was producer. Yes. Because like well and like the idea of like he was so ah he seemed to think like it rained that day. So it was like why did he go in the ocean?
00:30:18
Speaker
Right. Why did he leave his car? Right. roof down like like he was just he just asked a lot of questions yeah he yeah i think similarly to sean although sean maybe plays it off a little bit better
Narrative Style Comparisons
00:30:33
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colombo like falls into this like we've talked about it like intuition or gut kind of thing like something's not right there i don't know what but something isn't right so let me like ask the right kind of questions to figure out what it is that's scratching the itch of the back of my brain you know yeah
00:30:53
Speaker
I would be curious to watch more because like he is sort of opaque in a way. Like you don't really know what he knows and what he doesn't know. Yeah, that's true. And I kind of feel like he probably knows everything a lot. and I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like – because you he presents himself so like just bumbling around, just, you know – A little daft. Yeah, try your wine and stuff. But it's like – at what point does he, like, it just seems like he's probably like so many steps ahead.
00:31:29
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Yes. But he, like, you just wouldn't know. So it'd be interesting, like, scene to scene, like, what does he know? Or what does he, what is he thinking? Yes. Well, so that's,
00:31:41
Speaker
Okay, that's that's that's very interesting because what this is making me think of is, you know, when when you read the original Sherlock Holmes text, homestead ah they they are thing you're going to have to do.
00:31:54
Speaker
Yes! Yay! Yes! um they they are very
Sherlock vs Columbo
00:31:59
Speaker
opaque, right? Because are they're written from Watson's perspective, first of all. But secondly, you only ever get the explanation that Sherlock gives you, which he's not giving it to you as a play-by-play. He's giving it to you as like a, oh, of course, like it's so simple. Like how could you have not realized that this guy's left shoe told me that he was a banker? You know what i mean? Like it's not super straightforward.
00:32:20
Speaker
But when you look at something like psych it's not necessarily straightforward but you are given all of the clues as they happen so if you are deducing as sean is deducing you could be able to figure it out so it's almost as if we're on a continuum of like sherlock holmes very opaque to like less opaque as yeah which is kind of interesting i wonder i wonder why Yeah, that's that's true. And I feel like also with psych, um getting into – like, there's a formula that is very – like, part of a continuum also of, like, television, too, of, like, okay, act one, we think it's this. Act two, we think it's this.
00:33:07
Speaker
Or whatever, maybe. Yeah, sure. yeah Something like that. But we have to have a couple misdirects and then in the end we figure it out. Right. um And then in this one, there's no real there's no other suspects really.
00:33:19
Speaker
Yeah. And also as the viewer, we already know. Right, right. I feel like that's unusual too. Yeah. In a lot of like more contemporary crime shows, I don't – like you are also – as you said, like with Psych, we are also trying to figure out who did it.
00:33:33
Speaker
We don't even – I mean in Psych, we like never see the crime. Yeah, can't think of one. Yeah. I mean, thinking about this, but at what point does he steal the wine?
00:33:45
Speaker
I guess the second time he comes to the winery. He yeah, he steals the wine when they go down into the vault. So he's already questioned him once. And he comes back.
00:33:57
Speaker
And he's I wanted you to teach me about wine. and Yeah. And in the meantime, he's talked to the other wine guys. He's talked to – which, like, that's also cool that, like – I mean, he picks up a lot – about wine just in an hour he picks up a lot about wine but then he also like it's also interesting because there are moments where he shows his cards like very plainly shows his cards like he when he's sipping the wine you know he goes i think it's like a blah blah blah blah blah blah and it's a whatever or whatever and the guy is so impressed adrian's so impressed he goes how do you know this like after just ah know a day and
00:34:36
Speaker
And Columbo's like, well, I know you guys create this, this, and this. And you already gave me this. So that's not going to happen. So there's two left, which is what I said. heavy yeah just told you how he deduces, like, everything about crime. And you didn't, you still don't think that he's, like, smart enough to figure this out. Like, what?
00:34:54
Speaker
but Yeah. It is amazing how he plays that. Because, I mean, presumably he takes the wine, he steals the wine yes that he will use to prove that Adrian...
00:35:05
Speaker
turned off the air in that room and killed his brother. Yeah. he steals it then, but he doesn't confront them about it for ah while. So like, yeah and he also like plays this game of like, oh,
00:35:19
Speaker
Like, I know you didn't do it and stuff. But, like, yeah, it is interesting to think of, like, know, almost like human nature. Because I'm also thinking of that moment where i think when he's first questioning him yeah and asking about the weather again.
00:35:35
Speaker
but Very important about weather. Oh, I think it's when he's asking about, like, if it – like, I think this is after he knows what the weather is. And he was, like, – it was rainy like why why do you think the top was down yes and um and then he has this moment where he's like i'm not good on details and so it's like interesting to think that like he is telling them he is telling adrian that he will basically well will not pick up on stuff.
00:36:09
Speaker
Right. He is basically like them showing that he's not good at this. he's Well, he's telling him that. And then later when he tells him his whole like deduction of of what wine they might be drinking, it's like he is showing that he is that sharp. so it's almost like if you were Adrian...
00:36:32
Speaker
Like, you should catch that. But he's already told you he's not good with details. And also, I mean, at this point, they're like friends. So it's interesting to see how he plays people.
00:36:44
Speaker
Yes. well And one of the other things that I loved about this show, and part of that is spending so much time with the culprit, as you discussed at the beginning, is that we actually get a moment Where both Adrian and Karen, his Adrian's assistant, are like, Columbo suspects you.
00:37:03
Speaker
Like, don't you realize Columbo suspects you? Like, they they both realize that he's been around. Does Adrian, like, she tells him that. i I got the impression that he also thought that he suspected him. But then he was like, no, no, no, never i really yeah Yes.
00:37:20
Speaker
But and and then, like, Columbo says. Correct. Invite him dinner and stuff. Yes, I agree with you. I agree. Yeah, he he felt like he suspected him. But then once he said like, oh, sorry, we're going to go to dinner. Never mind. Then he was like, oh, no worries. Then he was just worrying if Karen suspected him. And Karen was like, yeah, well, and Karen was like, he still suspects you. And I feel like Adrian is like, no, no, no.
00:37:41
Speaker
No. But that was also interesting, too, to see like them. How do they take all of this? Because I feel like a lot of the times we just assume that the culprit isn't catching on to what's happening here. But.
00:37:57
Speaker
it seems like they kind of are. Like maybe they're not catching on to the exact plan, like the port, for example, but they're catching on to the fact that, okay, Columbo does think it's you. Like you, and it is you in fact, but like, can he prove it, you know?
00:38:12
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I wonder if like part of like how effective it is as far like to Karen versus Adrian is like how Columbo is reading them because like Adrian is such a snob and he's just like so pretentious.
00:38:30
Speaker
Yes. He's a snob. Yeah. Yeah. Like the biggest snob and Columbo can see that immediately. And he uses that to his advantage because he's like, Oh, teach me about wine. Let me take you out to the fanciest restaurant. You can't.
00:38:43
Speaker
pick like he's really playing on that and I feel like that makes it so Adrian does not notice that he is a suspect yes totally ah the the deeper it goes because initially he's like oh shit a cop is here and yeah yeah I'm gonna but then like the more that they talk I think he kind of forgets the Yes, he mellows out a little bit.
00:39:06
Speaker
ah It's really interesting because as you're saying all this, I'm thinking that although Psyche and Columbo are, I mean, they're pretty similar when you look at like the the entire genre of police investigation.
00:39:20
Speaker
think Columbo is more of like a, I want to say it's more of like a character study. Well, it's more of like a detective study. Because yeah even in the culprit, like we are getting some very clear thoughts.
Character Development in Columbo
00:39:37
Speaker
not like character development. don't know how to explain it, but like there's moments where, for example, the first time he goes and he interviews him, Columbo is asking him all these questions. And as he's asking him these questions, Adrian is trying to explain everything away, right? He's trying to be like, well, I don't know. Maybe he did that because of X, Y, L, M, N, O, P. I don't know. Well, maybe it's because of why Y, is Z, K. Oh, I thought of it.
00:39:57
Speaker
You know, maybe the wind got it and like pushed it away. Like that so clearly is like, dude, you're trying to justify like why something happened that has no justification.
00:40:07
Speaker
Like you you are cracking under pressure. Like that's what it feels like. And because we know that you did it, we know you're cracking under pressure. But in psych, because we have we never have any idea who did it until the end, until it's revealed to us, it feels more like, well, how does the actual crime happen? Like how how do we solve this thing?
00:40:30
Speaker
If that makes sense. You know what I mean? Absolutely. And I feel like that is sort of like, in like the trajectory of television like what has become more important for us as an audience because is um is there a reason well i mean i'm sure it has happened like gradually i actually pulled out one of my books from school which is about the history of television and i was like skimming through this section on mysteries So this book is called TV, the most popular art by Horace Newcomb.
00:41:07
Speaker
Oh, fun. 1974. Oh, fun. And some of what he says, like, and, you know, we have not watched everything, every mystery show that was ever made. So it's hard to meet walk day make big statements about the genre. But um he does mention, like,
00:41:30
Speaker
ah He says, the inevitable movement from crime to capture the pattern of events clues false leads the brilliant deductions all go to make up the puzzle the game that intrigues millions of americans game of titillation in which the audience is taken behind the scenes for a bit of excitement here the viewers on safe grounds given entry to the world of broken morals broken bodies broken people and ill out to work Through to the knowledge that some sort of correction has been affected rather than satisfying conclusion.
00:42:00
Speaker
ah and a rather satisfying conclusion has been reached. um And he also mentioned like the audience attempts to discover the criminal before the detective does, which is something that doesn't. not matter here because we already know who did it we saw who did it so right there were there must have been shows where that were more like psych and more like what we were talking about where you would not know who did it from the jump because this is sort of contemporary with colombo yeah as far as when this book came out but i wonder if like i don't know if at the time look well let me look at actually like the table of contents of this because it talks about each so it talks about westerns mysteries doctors and lawyers adventure shows soap opera
00:42:48
Speaker
But something that is not here. Oh, and then situation and domestic comedies. But something that is not here is workplace. And I wonder if that becoming more popular is what has shifted h some of the other styles. Because like if you could watch any procedural movies.
00:43:09
Speaker
And I feel like there is always an element of workplace comedy because we are spending more time with the team. Right, right. And here we don't even meet Columbo's colleagues other than no i older the ah body out of the water.
00:43:24
Speaker
um it's really more about his Yeah, he doesn't even have a partner. Yeah. Yeah, true. Yeah. and And moonlining actually might be like a great, again, not knowing anything else that was on at the time. But like moonlining might constitute like shifting more towards that.
00:43:45
Speaker
m focus like away from because like we're looking at a lot of dynamics a lot of relationships but they're all Columbo like right the people who are involved in the crime or the people who are involved in the crime with each other and then shifting to moonlighting it's like we have partners and an agency that we're spending time with right and then getting into psych and other shows that are on now, CSI and CIS, all those, like, it's like all about the team.
00:44:21
Speaker
Right, right. Yeah. So I guess the the shift of people, like who we're focusing on as, who whose development we're focusing on moves from like the individual to more of the group.
00:44:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And in terms of like the history of television, something I do know is that but serialization
Serialization in Television
00:44:44
Speaker
came over time. Like, you know, you used to be able to, like, in the beginning, you could pick up an episode of a show and it nothing, you didn't have to follow a story, you know? Right, right.
00:44:57
Speaker
And so like ah you could watch, say, a Columbo and you don't need to worry about anybody else because there's not a serial thread. But like, Getting into, well, even Moonlighting, like, they set up a whole plot, like a whole plot of their relationships. And it's like, we're going to spend the next five years watching that trajectory. And it's like, you can't really pick up in the middle because you'll have missed the beginning.
00:45:24
Speaker
Right. Which is maybe not the same with Columbo because you get it all right there. Yeah. I mean, i it makes sense, though, when you consider the history, when when you consider the time, like not everyone. Hold on. I want to just double check when Columbo, when this episode of Columbo came out.
00:45:42
Speaker
Okay, 68. Yeah.
Evolution of Viewing Habits
00:45:43
Speaker
68 is when Columbo started. Not everyone in 1968 had access to television in their household. like So the likelihood that you were going to watch every single episode of Columbo, every time that it aired, was far less likely than, say, the early 2000s, where having a television in your house was much more common.
00:46:06
Speaker
So, yeah, you almost, by necessity, needed to... be able to just watch each one in isolation or else you'd be confused. Where nowadays it's like, okay, well, we want to keep you watching because we can, because we know you have a telephone, yes, telephone or television, um to to watch this thing. And in fact, we want to keep you for as long as physically possible because that means it's better for us financially.
00:46:34
Speaker
But yeah, I think it's maybe part of it is just necessity-based, just based on the type of technology that people had access to. Yeah. Well, do think with TV, like that's something that's so interesting about it is that ah as you say, like a lot of it is tied to the limits of the technology and, and like how there's such a financial aspect to it, which like, isn't really the same with other art forms. Like you don't like to have commercials and stuff is like in product placement, like that's,
00:47:08
Speaker
not like the same rules don't apply to anything else really. um That's a great point. Yeah. i've I've never thought of it that way, but that's such a great point. Like movies, you don't have,
00:47:21
Speaker
ads or product placement i mean you can you might have a lit like some product placement but like but yeah it's not it's just not the same correct or even like painting or sculpting or like it's not something that you have to worry about you just have to worry about someone buying your art theoretically but that's it yeah it does kind of function in its own separate space and some other forms of art yeah and there's like built-in interruptions with ads i mean, we're getting streaming is convoluting that, but like it's, an it makes it like the idea of a formula emerging.
00:47:56
Speaker
Right. um It emerges around those advertisements because they come up at specific times every single episode. Right. do I'm going to ask you this now, just as someone who kind of understands the history of television.
00:48:09
Speaker
What was that always the case? i would assume not like were ads always part of, producing something for television or did it like come about once people realized hey like breaks would be helpful and we could like make money in the breaks yeah i don't i mean don't know when they started but i do think like because you can even see like looking at colombo like how all the times are sort of arbitrary like it does seem like yes you know it might have been more of a situation of like and now a presentation of or whatever i write write so like I do think it got more and more formulaic and not and not as like a dig but like literally um in terms of yeah you know every episode being 22 and a half minutes right um or 43 minutes
00:49:01
Speaker
Yeah, it's in it's interesting to think about, like, especially when, like, even just as we mentioned with Columbo at the very beginning of very beginning of this, there are episodes that are one hour and 40 minutes. There are episodes that are 50 minutes. Like, that would never happen today unless it was on streaming.
00:49:17
Speaker
yeah and he Yeah, we are seeing it kind of more now, I think, like, with streaming shows. Although i I do feel like it seems to still reflect a bit of freedom creatively. Yeah.
00:49:31
Speaker
Like, Ted Lasso as an example, the first series, every episode is half an hour. And then, like, that did so well that it was like they probably loosened the reins.
00:49:42
Speaker
And so, like, then, from then on, episodes range from, like, 40 minutes to an hour. Right. And it's arbitrary. um But, yeah, far as, like, especially for broadcast television, like, they all have to be.
00:49:59
Speaker
Right. Basically the same amount of time. And I would guess, because I think with Moonlighting, like the rest of the episodes were 43-ish minutes, which is typical. And then like the first one I'm guessing was like a two-hour season premiere.
00:50:12
Speaker
It was like a double feature. Yeah. Like going to give two time slots to. And it was maybe this might be a perfect segue into Moonlighting. It was so fun. and This was a really fun pilot of Moonlighting. I feel like, you know, we were talking about the end of Psych, like they jammed everything in there. I kind of felt the same way with those st way.
00:50:34
Speaker
Oh, my God. I'd be sick. like literally the last like 15 minutes of the show i was like what is happening like i haven't felt like that a very long time like them hanging off the building i was like what is going on my gosh and you know talking about the evolution of tv and movies and stuff like it just all looked like it was all practical you know i mean i'm sure he wasn't hanging over 10 stories but he it looked like he was hanging on the edge of a building like nowadays you would see the cgi and stuff and get rid of it
00:51:12
Speaker
I know. But yeah, it was thrilling. it was so, yeah, it was really good. It was very fun. And i loved the, the like setup of all of this. I thought it was very, um very fun.
00:51:28
Speaker
um we have a ah model, Maddie. this and it's so funny because we see this guy like kiss his wife and go out on a jog. And I actually wrote down LOL two watches.
00:51:40
Speaker
Yeah. That's so funny. actually read that down. not notice at all. I was like, but so that feels so 80s to me. like we You know what I mean? Because you like can't. Maybe that's where they got the idea.
00:51:52
Speaker
Change the time zone. Maybe. yeah Because of what's his face? Yeah, exactly. So it's like so funny. And then ah we see this guy with a mohawk and we didn't know his name for a while. So I just referenced him as mohawk.
00:52:06
Speaker
Yeah. i It took me a minute, but I realized he is ah like a sort of villainous character in Greece. oh is he? That's where I know him from. Oh.
00:52:19
Speaker
i didn't i didn't realize that i don't i loved his mohawk he had a great mohawk that thing was stiff i felt for him i don't know who he belonged to but it seemed like he was sort of caught in the middle although he does have a german name so maybe not i didn't realize that to be kidding with yeah it does still feel like maybe he was like adjacently related to all of this and then just because he was a little like alt you know a little anarchy adjacent kind of ended up falling into it um but so he we really don't know what he's doing he seems a little bit sketch he like follows a guy he's running another instance of just spending a whole lot of time with these people yes the crime is committed
00:53:10
Speaker
To be fair, made it like way more gut-wrenching when we eventually get to... The running was very creepy. the The barefoot running? Well, and just being right up on him, like... I know.
00:53:21
Speaker
and But like not looking at him, but just like staring at him. And I was like, my guy... Run away. Don't try to talk to him about it. know. What was he doing? I really don't understand.
00:53:33
Speaker
His name was Jonathan, this other the guy who was wearing the two watches. you the big Yes, thank you. His name was Jonathan. Gunther starts, Klaus Gunther starts Mohawk, starts following him, literally running next to him, just like straight up like an inch from his face. No room for Jesus.
00:53:51
Speaker
Like no just right up on him. Yeah. Like very clearly and goes from running in the opposite direction to following him. So very clearly is like... intentionally following this guy and Jonathan does not seem to have any issue with this.
00:54:06
Speaker
Just like what? He's like a little like that's weird but like like take some action. Get out of there. One would think turn the other direction. is he actually trying to follow you like find a human. don't know anything.
00:54:18
Speaker
Didn't care about that at all. You know what's interesting? I mean I don't know. eighty s But I feel like a woman would have just gotten out of that situation. but maybe as a man he's like Maybe. This strange. This just doesn't even think about, you know, the worst possible outcome, which is. Yeah, maybe. a woman is what you're always thinking about.
00:54:38
Speaker
Absolutely. If a man started not even running next to me, if a man just went in the general direction of me, I would have been like, nope. Crossing the street. Ducking into a store. Anything.
00:54:49
Speaker
Anything other than just walking next to this man. but yeah This lasts forever. And then he's finally like, do I know you? Just leave.
00:54:59
Speaker
There was a lot of like running ahead, running behind, catching up, running ahead, running behind, catching up. It did happen a lot. And then, yeah, do I know you? And then he runs the other direction and then Mohawk pulls out a gun, tries to shoot him, then he gets hit by car.
00:55:14
Speaker
Yeah, at that point i was like, oh, maybe this is just a mugging, but there was a whole lot more to it than that. god my gosh. goodness. So much. He steals one of the two watches. The watches were important. This watch becomes quite the big deal.
00:55:28
Speaker
But we don't know what the deal is yet. We jump to our lovely Madeline. And um we see her beautiful house, which I was like, oh, my gosh, this place is gorgeous. Trees and inside? know That's amazing.
00:55:42
Speaker
Is that like a West Coast thing? Oh, no, because they're in New York. No, they're in Los Angeles, I think. Is that where they are? Because a City of Angels. i mean, that's where I assume, just because City of Angels.
00:55:53
Speaker
Sorry, they said – ninth and ninth and broadway or something at one point and then i assumed they were in hold on i wrote it down i mean that's fair i just assumed because of that name no i think it was new york no let's see let's try moonlighting los angeles would make sense because yeah i think it is I just immediately thought when I heard Broadway, i was like, no, that makes sense.
00:56:17
Speaker
Silly of me. um Even just to say ninth and Broadway, like that's a very, it feels very new. Right. But yeah. So I, yes, would, I guess open spaces is much more of a West coast thing, right? Like even school, like, don't you guys like walk outside for school?
00:56:35
Speaker
We do go outside. Yeah. That's crazy. We don't walk outside for school on the East coast. We don't do that. Everything is inside one building. That's it. Yeah. That's wild.
00:56:46
Speaker
And there's a second building. There's like an indoor bridge. Like we do not go outside. That's so funny. But yeah, this house is like beautiful. Yeah. It's like she has like a terrarium. It's so nice. it's kind of like an MC Suites.
00:57:00
Speaker
um What's that? It's a hotel chain. But they have like a central, like all the houses or houses, all the rooms are like around it And then there's just like trees in the middle.
00:57:13
Speaker
Ooh, I love that. That sounds fun. It's a Hilton owned chain, so. She started this Hilton chain. She just loved the terrarium so much she had to make it into a new business proposition.
00:57:29
Speaker
She is so gorgeous. She's a model. So we see, like Kylie said before, just a bajillion pictures of her being a beautiful model. But we wake up to her... hearing like plates smashing and yelling we're like oh my gosh what's happening turns out she's broke and none of her staff has been paid so everyone is like jumping ship and this was kind of don't know not obviously not fun for her to go broke but it's kind of like a fun way to introduce us to a detective agency because i was like how in the world are they going to get a model it was active agency together like it it was yeah i was not expecting
00:58:08
Speaker
this and I'm also one I was also wondering if um Schitt's Creek got there like was influenced by this because that's basically what Schitt's Creek starts totally um someone steals all their money and they have one asset Yes, exactly. Or an asset of the town of Schitt's Creek and they go look at it. Like that's literally what happens here.
00:58:28
Speaker
so I bet. I can't imagine. yeah But I mean, guess it is great, another, a great device to get ah a rich person into a totally different environment.
00:58:43
Speaker
yeah But it like, because she meets her lawyer. Well, first she goes to the accounting firm and it's, just trashed. like So they have stolen all her money.
00:58:55
Speaker
um And then she goes to her lawyer and he's like, well, they just took the liquid stuff so you can go to all your little like a lot of random little businesses. like I don't know. yeah I wonder if that was the accounting firm too that just like acquired like um random things for her. that Right, because it doesn't even really seem like she has any sense of what businesses she's a part of no and they're all just like like it's not like she has stock in um i don't know what's an 80s macy's like yeah
00:59:36
Speaker
she's no like none that like small business tiny little yeah all little small businesses that she happens to own yes Or be a part owner in. Yeah. But it seems like when she goes to the detective agency that she like seems to be the owner. Yes, totally. She is the owner of the detective agency. Which is so random.
00:59:55
Speaker
Yeah. But very fun. Very fun. And i think it also... It creates a fun dynamic between her and David Addison, who is Bruce Willis' character.
01:00:08
Speaker
Because she's like, nope, we're done. You're fired. We're closing this down. You've lost so much money. Goodbye. And he's like, whoa. Who are you and what are you doing and why are you taking this business? Like, what's going on?
01:00:20
Speaker
And it it's fun because now he has to, like, win her over and she has to, like, buy into all of it. So the whole episode is kind of like – This felt very Sean and Gus of, like – Totally. Just by force involving her and and the and and on I have to say he was fit. Like he felt, I wrote down, he felt like Sean light, you know, like he made some of like some similar jokes. He was also kind of like a little eccentric, like a little quirky, but not like to the extreme that Sean goes.
01:00:51
Speaker
And yeah, like he kind of has to force Maddie into doing stuff, but he can't actually force her because she is her own person and they're not actually friends and she does actually own the business. It's like little person of Sean, which I thought was really fun. Yeah. But just like, yeah, because he...
01:01:07
Speaker
He kind of just keeps her involved in a way that she doesn't want to be. Like, just even from when, I mean, well, this case also just, like, falls into their lap. Oh, yeah, literally. Like, the fact that she just doesn't want anything to do with it. She gives this watch back to the police, but he stole it or whatever. off And she's like, Like, why are you putting me in this situation?
01:01:31
Speaker
I know. i know. was so funny. I'm just like, I wrote down again so many So many quotes, right? It was so funny. It was really fun. and And you can tell that similar to Sean in a sense, David does see this all as like an opportunity, like something to bring exposure to the business, right? Like Maddie is a big name. She theoretically has a lot of money, even though she doesn't right now, but it could bring exposure to the business and therefore bring them to a lot of money. If only they had a big case, which as you said, ends up falling right in their lap and they end up solving. But yeah, there there are a bunch of really, really great lines in this.
01:02:13
Speaker
ah One of the ones I really loved was, is when David's trying to convince Maddie to like buy into him because he has like so much experience and just like so much knowledge and he's like let's talk about Yale for Princeton and she's like what about them she goes couple of great schools
01:02:32
Speaker
so funny like part just very Sean hilarious humor yeah
01:02:41
Speaker
Yeah. Like, ah oh my gosh. Yeah. I mean, he said a bunch of really like. yeah Yeah. Klaus ends up, the Mohawk ends up dying.
01:02:52
Speaker
We'll go over that in a minute. But he like literally falls right in front of them. Also disturbing. So disturbing. at That whole chase scene, I was like. Oh my God.
01:03:03
Speaker
like We need to stop right now. Yeah. Another thing that lasted so long. It was so creepy. Yeah. The elevators. like Oh, my God. You see through elevators and him like being there, not being there, being there, staring at him, jumping out of the elevator.
01:03:16
Speaker
Once again, what are we doing here? Bella, like get out of there. And then he was like, hop out. Mohawk would it's like get to a floor, hop out, look like, is the guy going to show up?
01:03:29
Speaker
like When he... At the I was like, what is happening? When there was no one left in the elevator at the end, and the elevator doors opened, and he's just staring at it, I was like, what are you not on the elevator. Go away.
01:03:44
Speaker
Go down. Anywhere. Other than here. Stop waiting. And then stabbed in the back. And I'm like, dude... so bad i can't it made me so anxious yeah and that guy was creepy he was oh my god i don't know his name me either no but he was creepy i feel like i got everyone's name but him he was creepy yeah and and so david goes well that's gotta hurt falling on your nose like that i know that i wrote that down too david
01:04:16
Speaker
talking about chits creek oh my god yes um and that also felt like kind of a shawnee very yeah very very like similar like kind of you know we talk a lot about the yang episodes where you know sean requires gus skylar's thumbing through her notes um yeah something was referenced keep going um But like how like that episode shows very explicitly how like the lightness Sean brings to all the situations is something that he needs to like kind of manage what he's dealing with. And so like in that situation, he can't do it. So Gus has to do it.
01:05:02
Speaker
Yes. And that kind of felt like what David, um want just call them by their names, but um kind of David's approach to the whole thing was just like kind of keeping it light because they're in I mean and as the episode goes on they're in extremely tense situations and he kind of just keeps it cool and cracks jokes um and they get through it that way totally yeah and she even says to him like I am and the worst day of my life I was I was like is this one day because yeah well I guess it was a couple at the end of it I think what
01:05:42
Speaker
Well, yeah, when she does say that, though, I was like, oh, so this was one day. Because I think what made what threw me was um when she's leaving, after telling David they're closing up shop, she's like, start telling your employees.
01:05:56
Speaker
Like, it doesn't seem like it's going to happen right away. And then the ah front desk girl comes to David and is like, well, we had a nice front. And I was like, oh, are we – has it been a couple weeks? Nope. Same day.
01:06:08
Speaker
He, like, ripped off that band-aid immediately. Yeah, like, I guess we are really done. So I was thumbing through my notes because they the lawyer said something in the beginning that I was like, huh, it's a weird way to put that.
01:06:22
Speaker
And something happened at the end and I was like, huh, also kind of interesting. So when Maddie goes to the lawyer at the very beginning, she's he's like talking ah to her about, you know, liquidating some of her assets because they stole off the liquid assets.
01:06:36
Speaker
And he says something lot along the lines of, I don't I wouldn't be surprised if they paid through the yin-yang. And I was like, <unk> interesting, yin-yang.
01:06:49
Speaker
Maddie comes along in the yin-yang case. And then at the very end, we get them at the clock tower. And you cannot tell me that that clock scene was not just like yin-yang, the yeah first yin-yang episode. I was like... That I noted for sure. And I...
01:07:07
Speaker
Yeah. let but Because I believe that's the Alfred Hitchcock episode too, right? Yes. So I assume it's also Alfred Hitchcock thing.
01:07:18
Speaker
Or no, is it not? I don't think... Hold on. I'm not sure if the first Yang is the Hitchcock one. I think it might be the second Yang. No, it is the Alfred Hitchcock one because... They're at the little Alfred Hitchcock fun house thing and Jules is abducted and put in the clock tower. oh you're right. Abigail is put under the pier.
01:07:38
Speaker
You're right. Spoilers if you haven't watched it. You should know this by now. Series spoilers down. Yeah. But so i assume I assumed that that was a Hitchcock thing. Although i don't maybe it's not because like there's all the Hitchcock stuff leading up to it.
01:07:56
Speaker
let's see but because like is the pier a hitchcock thing we'll find out i guess when we watch all the alfred hitchcock things for that episode but in any case yes this was totally right it felt like even the um like even the look of and this is gonna sound so specific but like even the look of the arms on the clock i was like that feels so much like that episode Yeah. And and like the shock of it ticking.
01:08:22
Speaker
Yes. Yes. And like in this case, yeah, Maddie's not attached to a chair like Jules is, but it's still the question of like it's moving and as it moves, someone's in peril.
01:08:33
Speaker
Yes. And having to try and save that person. I was like, this feels very connected. Totally. Yeah. did totally Something feels right. and And knowing that now they clearly have moon lighting as a reference, it would only make sense that like it's at least slightly connected to that in some way.
01:08:51
Speaker
My notes for that whole sequence are just, oh my God, this is wild. Oh my gosh, this is too much. I'm going to be sick. Literally how? Yingling clock tower is a reference to this?
01:09:02
Speaker
Ladder over the end? Holy shit.
01:09:07
Speaker
Everyone's okay. German guy followed them. Oh, man. And that was the other thing. Like, I felt like we kind of knew like no one's names. Yeah. like Okay, again, talking about the evolution. In Columbo, we knew everybody. we knew everything. Like, every little intricacy of this crime.
01:09:26
Speaker
Here, that is the afterthought. We are with Maddie and David as they yeah have their little buddy comedy. Part of it almost felt a little, like, surrealist.
01:09:37
Speaker
Like, why would this man put a bunch of diamonds in the nine face of this random clock tower that we have no idea how he's connected to it? Like... Yeah.
01:09:48
Speaker
it It was a little like, what? What? You know what I mean? Like, and especially right after, because I watched Columbo first, right after watching, like you said, where we know everything that happened. I was like, and you're just like, sure.
01:10:04
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, I guess. Why not? Yeah. Yeah, that's funny. I watched Moonlighting first. um But I mean, that is yeah, it is more of a fanciful thing.
01:10:18
Speaker
And more, and I'm thinking of like genres, because it almost feels like action adventure-y. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And on the outset, although, I mean, a guy is immediately, he's not killed.
01:10:33
Speaker
He's going to be for his watch, I guess, either way. Yeah. But he sort of ends up getting struck by a vehicle. But um the like the watch being what they're all after, a bunch of people die along the way, but it's not really a murder case.
01:10:49
Speaker
Right. Yes. It's more of a treasure hunt case. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So that is kind of a different energy. Yeah. Yes, definitely. And like all the people want that the treasure.
01:11:01
Speaker
um And so it is maybe in a way, like talking about the the diamonds and the nine and the clock tower and figuring out the code and stuff, it's more like a Da Vinci code. Yeah.
01:11:13
Speaker
Yes. And honestly, when I think of it that way, I'm more willing to buy into it than what I'm thinking of it as a murder case. Because when I'm thinking yeah as like, okay, you really have to hide this. You don't want someone to randomly stumble across it. I'm like, you're going pick a random, yeah, super like obscure place to put it. Yeah. that makes li And it makes sense.
01:11:32
Speaker
I mean, I wonder how Moonlighting will go if they'll... achieve any kind of consultancy or anything because yeah as private investigators they would not be investigating ah murder really unless sure somebody wanted I don't i don't know if because they would never get access you know because that's automatically going to the police right in psych they are private investigators but they also consult with the police so they are involved in those cases but like in at least as it is now it has to be something
01:12:03
Speaker
yeah more like a like lost property or affairs or whatever like it has to be private investigatory stuff right right right because they don't have any ties to the police yet yeah you know what i want do we think they made any money from this or do we think it was just like publicity to like get them off the ground hmm because they don't, I mean, I don't know if they have the diamonds, but all of them fell out of the bag.
01:12:30
Speaker
That's a good point. I mean, who oh who would have a right to the diamonds? I guess just that woman? ah Yeah, his wife, Jonathan's wife. Yeah. Yeah, I would guess so.
01:12:42
Speaker
I mean, unless she paid them some kind of finder's fee, assuming they gave them to her. Right. Nobody was looking for them. Yeah, there was no reward or anything. Yeah.
01:12:53
Speaker
They were just like, what's my maybe... Yeah, maybe it's just the publicity. Yeah, it is interesting. Like nobody even knew they were they existed, really. Yeah. Well, they didn't exist until this case.
01:13:07
Speaker
there Yeah. Yeah. it I really liked the um this whole episode very similar to colombo and psych i again really loved all of the like little side characters i kind of loved mohawk like as you know villainous as he was supposed to be i also loved the pawn shop guy i thought he was so great just being like this watch is three bucks and doesn't even anything in it yeah another casualty of this know
01:13:38
Speaker
Well, the Nazi that was chasing them. Good. like That was also like kind of like, whoa, like the, I mean, weird to think about World War Two being yes only 35 years Yeah. Like,
01:13:54
Speaker
um forty years yeah I mean, I think my favorite other characters were probably the two creepy goons.
01:14:07
Speaker
I don't know who... Oh, the the guys the guys that tried to fry their faces? yes Yes. They were so silly. it's like Well, the one guy whose name we don't know yeah was so creepy.
01:14:20
Speaker
He was very creepy. and then But also like so funny. like There was that moment where... um
01:14:28
Speaker
have we even said what is really going on? I mean, a lot of people want this watch. I'll just say that. But so these guys show up at their house at Maddie's house when she's finally getting dropped off after this long day, after they witnessed Mohawk guy get killed and they get taken downtown to be questioned.
01:14:46
Speaker
Oh, that was another psyche moment when they're being questioned. And um David, like yeah is like a suspect presumably like they're kind of grilling him in a way that is aggressive and he's like don't i get one phone call and then he orders pizza and then they all become best friends i was like i wrote down how does he make friends so fast yes yes but anyway so after all that they finally get back to maddie's house they have another argument and then a great moment where David is like oh that's funny or whatever and she's like what and it's like the guy with the gun in my but I'm like whoa so then yeah they're gonna be like sort of tortured for the location of the watch because they think Maddie has it
01:15:38
Speaker
um And there is this moment. And and the reason they the reason they think Maddie has it is because right before Mohawk dies, he like spits it out of his mouth and forcibly puts it on her wrist. Yeah. Very disturbing.
01:15:51
Speaker
Yeah. we Super gross. She's like, I don't want it Yeah. And that also lasted forever. Him like trying to put it on her wrist and then him like making these weird faces and then like falling forward. It was it was gruesome. It was pretty gruesome.
01:16:06
Speaker
But so that's why they think she has it. yes um and so they're like talking about because they just don't believe her even though she keeps saying i gave it to the police and david's like says that they're going to use duress and then he says to rest and then the creepy guy's like duress yeah and then the other creepy guy just has this cute little smile and like what are we doing It was just such a funny sequence.
01:16:35
Speaker
Like they were for as creepy and as like weird as they are, they were also very funny. ah Yeah, it it was. Yeah, was a strange, strange vibe.
01:16:48
Speaker
Yeah, and even like they try They try to get out of it. Like Bruce Willis like smacks someone upside the head and Maddie tries to take the gun, but she doesn't know how to aim the gun. So she like shoots all six bullets at like different parts of her house.
01:17:05
Speaker
And then they get taken again, but now they're brought into the kitchen.
Interrogation Tactics
01:17:09
Speaker
where they have had a burner warming up for a while. And he takes like, I'm going to assume it's like a hot dog.
01:17:17
Speaker
Like some piece of like. Very thick hot dog. Yeah, it' like ah maybe like a breakfast sausage, if you will, like a log of breakfast sausage. And he just sears it on this like electric burner. And I like, like ah made my skin crawl.
01:17:33
Speaker
And I'm sure that was the effect, like the desired effect. I was like, the whole time thinking about it. And they're using this as, of course, like leverage to get them to talk because they think that Maddie's lying.
Truthfulness and Police Station Visit
01:17:45
Speaker
um but she convinces them that she's not lying and they end up going to go to the police station to check if the watch is there but turns out our crazy man had it all along david had all along was like, dude.
01:18:04
Speaker
Because he, and that also, I mean, that feels a little Shawnee too. Oh, totally. little like, just. ah Without a doubt. um Like Wiley in the way all the great detectives.
01:18:15
Speaker
Yes. On TV are. Yes. Yeah, and it's fun, too, that, like, he did not tell Maddie because it's like, Maddie didn't lie.
Mystery of the Watch
01:18:25
Speaker
yeah. like That's what makes her yes so effective because she did not know they had it still.
01:18:31
Speaker
Right. and They have a great confrontation about... but He calls her a ball of fluff. Some blonde ball of fluff. Yeah. She's like, ball of fluff?
01:18:42
Speaker
You're calling me a ball of fluff?
01:18:47
Speaker
She is adorable. She is so cute. Yeah. But also, like, she, you know, gives it back. She punches him at one point. Is that later? Oh, yeah. Because they go sleep at the office.
01:18:58
Speaker
Yes. Which I love. They walk into the office. because they don't want to stay at Maggie's house, obviously, because then the bad guys will know where to find them. And he goes, I love sleepovers, don't you? So silly.
01:19:10
Speaker
Yeah, just silly. I also love one of my other lines that I love because after they have the sleepover, that's when they go decide to figure out, you know, what this watch means. If everyone's after him, they go to the pawn shop and the pawn dealer goes, that's not a watch at all. There's just numbers inside.
01:19:27
Speaker
And David goes, the plot thin ends.
01:19:31
Speaker
It's like, that is a very Sean statement. The plot thin ends.
01:19:37
Speaker
So good. Yeah. So after this point, like once we know that David has the watch and and they've been accosted by these bad guys, it's really like Maddie kind of berating David for having a plan like for figuring out what they're going to do next um which was also
Lack of Detective Skills
01:20:00
Speaker
kind of interesting because i i feel like of the you know kind of like murdery shows that i've watched and as you've said we have certainly not watched all of them by any means but it's usually like okay we we know what we're doing or like some someone's kind of in the loop whether it's sean or colombo or whomever it is
01:20:19
Speaker
And this was like a breakdown in like, how does this work? You know, like, we don't really have any leads, but we got this watch. So let's go like, figure out how the watch ties into all of this. And it was kind of fun, like really getting a ah very rudimentary breakdown of like, we're gonna figure this out together.
01:20:39
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good point because like he he has like some Sean-isms, but as far as a detective, he doesn't... yeah He's just like... Seems to be very normal. like He's just a human.
01:20:57
Speaker
Which is so interesting. Yeah, like you're right. it is kind of ah It's a trope to have this person who is 10 steps ahead of everybody else. Every... every and detective show kind of has that like yeah totally like sort of special person i feel like the genre is based off of a special person it's like yeah that is a good shelock a great point and they together are like they're just sort of like just people i mean he says he's the best detective but i mean he doesn't seem like hyper intelligent or like observant or like he's sort of just doing in the work um
01:21:35
Speaker
Yeah. um And trying to figure it out. Yeah. And he just sort of does. But yeah, you're right. They're just kind of doing it. Like it's not like they do Yeah. They're like, okay, well, let's think about it.
01:21:48
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Or even like him explaining. So so they open up this watch at the pawn shop. They find a bunch of numbers inside. They take it back with them. You know, there's a whole scene with like Maddie wanting to leave with the watch and Bruce Willis giving her the what Bruce Willis, ah David giving her the watch and him again, like stealing it off of her and bringing it back to his office, blah, blah, blah.
01:22:13
Speaker
But even like watching watching him, because he explains how he figures out the numbers to Maddie. He has no idea what the numbers mean. He takes the numbers, put them into a computer. The computer starts spitting out information.
01:22:25
Speaker
and then just by happenstance, he looks at his globe and he goes, oh, latitude and longitude. Like, if this were Columbo, if this were Sean Spencer, if this were Sherlock Holmes, they would have immediately went latitude longitude.
01:22:37
Speaker
Like, that's what yeah makes sense here. But he has to go through this whole process, and it's kind of fun watching, like, a regular person do it.
Accidental Discovery
01:22:44
Speaker
don't know. Yeah. Like, that is... yeah i'm thinking like Another show that I've seen quite a bit of is NCIS and I really enjoy it but like every time they introduce a character it's like the character's got a shtick and they've got their special thing that they do yeah um they're really good at one thing or at least one thing um And that is definitely a trope. And it's almost like, you know, like TV writing 101 is like how to make this character like, you know, we're going to introduce somebody and they've got this thing. At least that's what it feels like watching a lot of procedurals. But you're right. Like he does not have one. He's just sort of.
01:23:23
Speaker
I mean, other than being charming and funny. yeah think Yeah. That's kind of his thing. Yeah, but nothing that makes him, like, inherently good at his job. Even when they go to interview the wife, he's like, Maddie, hang back. Like, let me show you how to do this. And then she the wife clocks Maddie, and Maddie is the one who ends up being charming. Like, he's...
01:23:43
Speaker
Totally. really feel like he's kind of ah yeah, like a normal person. Yes. I wanted to find, because I'm curious, like, what other, I'd love to know about their other cases, you know, like up to this point. We got a more.
01:23:58
Speaker
But even like yeah but in the past, you know, like what is he good at? What has he achieved thus far? That's a good question. And I'm just like pulling up because I wanted to revisit their their answer I don't know what you call it, but when the front desk girl answers the phone, she says,
01:24:16
Speaker
yeah that day City of Angels investigations lost or stolen property our specialty you dropped it we'll spot it he cheats we'll peek a little one gone we'll find him before dawn no job is too big no job is too small another thing I thought was psyche we're here to please one and all we're licensed by the state of California and happily accept all major credit cards how can I help you
01:24:40
Speaker
sopostous um Basically, stolen property or lost property, cheating people. hu he cheats men um little uh lost kids yeah missing person and and yeah missing person that's the the main thing so and he also does have this like recurring thing of like i just need one big case yes to put us on the map so maybe they have net like he has never done anything this with this much stakes yes yeah
01:25:16
Speaker
It definitely, it kind of felt to me like exactly like that.
Agency's Financial Struggles
01:25:21
Speaker
Like they've had little tiny cases, if like really anything. But he keeps saying he's he keeps saying that he's the the best detective. And he even throws you know that line to the front desk girl when she's leaving about, like, I've got five other people lined up already asking me to come work there. And you know he doesn't. Like, you know that that's not real.
01:25:42
Speaker
So it kind of feels like he's saying this to himself, even though it's not actually the case. Yeah, and the fact that they've lost so much money. Yeah.
01:25:55
Speaker
it It's almost like this is just his dream. And it's like, yeah, maybe he's not really seen it through. And I wonder what would be revealed about his past.
01:26:07
Speaker
further we go but um you just have to watch the rest of this yeah because he's just like oh we just need one big case and like he he wants to use her for her visibility it's like he just wants a chance to do it yes yes and i can imagine that like in the world of private investigation that that is probably very important because at the end of the day, people have to come to you.
01:26:37
Speaker
like People have to know you and want to entrust you with their problem. So if people don't know about you, you're not going to have business. If you don't have a big case that's in the newspaper, you're not going to have a lot of people coming and and asking you for help because they're not going to know all of it you can solve it.
01:26:54
Speaker
I could see that being the case, not necessarily meaning that he's not a great detective, But just that he hasn't like had the experience yet to actually prove that, even though he keeps saying it, you know? Yeah.
01:27:08
Speaker
Which again, and also brings me again to like her collection of businesses. Like how did this happen? I know. I know. Yeah. And like, do they have this big floor? Like they they have like a whole floor and like a now high rise. Like it seems like a very, like there's a lot of people that work there. Yeah.
01:27:26
Speaker
yeah um it's a pretty big operation um is that just because she has footed the bill and like i wonder yeah if they they do anything really I mean probably I mean he even has like a Porsche as a company car. Yeah. He definitely did not pay for that.
01:27:46
Speaker
Yeah. I wonder if they were more taking advantage of like. Maybe. The cash flow that.
Charming Detective
01:27:52
Speaker
Because they have ah had a lot of losses, which could just be simply from existing because, yeah, like the.
01:27:57
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. They are operating at a level. They're spending money at a level that does not. I mean, and maybe that is kind of his thing. Kind of. He's got like this fake it till you make it kind of. Yeah.
01:28:09
Speaker
vibe about him and so maybe he's like that's part of it it's like oh well if i look like a really successful detective then people will hire me right definitely well and i couldn't yeah yeah yeah that i think that tracks a lot in my image of him especially because he is pretty eccentric and I mean, not as much as Sean. I don't think anyone's as eccentric as Sean, but he is like, even you know, even when he, when Maddie's coming out of the police station and and he gets all the reporters to ask her questions, he's in the back, like whooping and hollering, you know, over Maddie. Like that's not, that's not a typical person that someone would want to go to.
01:28:52
Speaker
Like that's not a very discerning true person on the outset. So It would make sense that he's more of like, a oh, I i had to play the part when it's time to play the part, you know, but deep down, I don't actually have a lot of cases to have actually done, you know?
01:29:09
Speaker
Yeah. And in terms of like their partnership being like, well, way for him to take advantage of her visibility, maybe it's like in terms of how they they actually...
01:29:22
Speaker
like mesh, she would be maybe kind of a good grounding force for him because she's a lot more. Yes. She is very Gus, like yeah kind of the straight man to his shenanigans.
01:29:37
Speaker
Yeah. It was, I enjoyed the episode overall. I wasn't expecting it to be as long as it was, as I think we both stated. But enjoyed it. I thought it was very, the characters were very intriguing. I thought the storyline seemed fun. There was action. There was adventure. There was a little bit of a mystery. Like I got like you said, I got to the end and I was like, o what's going to happen next?
01:30:03
Speaker
you know Yeah. No, I definitely felt like I wanted to keep going. And like I felt really invested in like their chemistry because they do have like um very good chemistry. And they're just so fun to watch together. yeah They are really fun to watch together.
01:30:18
Speaker
And I do think, too, for us, I i feel like I have a pretty – well, maybe just because Civil Shepherd has been in Psych, but – I have like a good working knowledge of like both of these people, like Cybill Shepard and Bruce Willis. Like I know who they are. So it's like fun to see them in these characters interacting with each other at such a young age. Like I want, I want to see what that looks like, you know? Yeah.
01:30:42
Speaker
That's funny you say that because i feel like i don't, I only know Cybill Shepard from Psych and I don't, really have any other knowledge of her as a person or an actor or model. Yeah, no.
01:30:56
Speaker
I really only know her from Psych. i But I know Bruce Willis much more. Yeah, Bruce Willis I feel like I've seen, i mean, really mainly I know him from other than just being like a famous person.
01:31:07
Speaker
Yes. Like a classic famous person. and yeah He's a great cameo and in Friends. Oh, fair. Okay, yeah, fair. But it was fun to like experience Sybil Shepard as a star.
01:31:23
Speaker
Yes. And I could totally see why they were like, she'd be the dream, you know? Like, I could see it. Like, she his she's, like, funny and badass.
01:31:37
Speaker
Yes. But also kind of, like, cool in a way that fits. And to be kind of in this world, which Maddie would have... Psych Maddie would have also kind of been in this world of crime fighting.
01:31:50
Speaker
um And she's beautiful. And yeah, that was fun. Yeah. I enjoyed both episodes. i thought they were both really great. And, you know, i actually think both the characters of Columbo and David Addison, in a way, were more Sean-like than I think I anticipated before viewing.
Connections Between Columbo and Psych
01:32:14
Speaker
huh So it's interesting how like... It's interesting how connected all of these things are that we're watching yeah for this, you know. That's a good point because, yeah, with Moonlighting, we really only picked it so we could see Zybil. And, like, it turned out to also be just as much of a Forsythus Foundation as yeah the rest of our selections.
01:32:35
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And they, as you said, go together very well as, you know, as we are learning about the continuum of mystery shows, crime-fighting shows. But yeah, they, it's funny because they're like sort of in, also in, like, like in some ways not at all alike.
01:32:52
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Yeah. Like the way they carry themselves and stuff. But, but they are actually. Columbo and Sean, they're more alike in how effective they are, but less alike in how they behave and carry themselves. And then yeah David and Sean are more alike in how they carry themselves, but less alike in their skill set.
01:33:15
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yeah Yeah. I feel like we said this last time when we were watching Real Genius, but I just feel like i the more that we watch, the more of an appreciation I feel like I have for psych like knowing that they have like this real reference of like all of these my like ah they have a reference of colombo they have a reference of moonlighting they have ah and they're all utilized to make this really wonderful new age detective show like i just it feels fun i don't know
01:33:51
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Yeah, because do feel like there is there can be a feeling with like people who want to make any kind of art that they might be like, I can do it better.
Homage to Detective Archetypes
01:34:01
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And I feel like TV kind of lends to that even more because there is so much wrapped up in it that you could that could make you dismiss it more, that the commercialism. and You can write it off because it is like...
01:34:14
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as the book is called, the most popular art. can't be super about it therere you can't be super snobbish about it But the more like we have like streaming and prestige shows and stuff that allows you to kind of draw these lines of like what's good or important versus not.
01:34:36
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And I feel like when you're watching Psych, they clearly have such an appreciation for yeah de form and and not just television as a form, but like All of popular culture.
01:34:48
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Yeah. And they honor it and also do something different with it and like stand on their own as something that is awesome just in itself.
01:35:02
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But also like clearly like have all these like love letters baked in And genuinely. Yeah. Because I feel like you could you could easily be like we we love Columbo and like throw one little thing in or like, oh, love Val Kilmer and throw like one little thing.
01:35:21
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But it is like constant, constant love letters. Just be like, we absolutely enjoy pop culture yeah every in every facet of it.
Pop Culture Influences and Future Plans
01:35:32
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And here's how we're going to show our love for it.
01:35:34
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Yeah, because it's like they're making the thing and they feel like they got there like via sweepstakes or something. you know It's like they know how lucky they are to get to be a part of this ah history of human culture.
01:35:51
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yeah like they They get it. And it just it makes it so fun as a viewer who you know is also part of that same and yeah culture. Yeah.
01:36:03
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Yeah. yeah It's so much more fun than just being like derisive or because like, you know, like a lot of parody, like they could make fun, but it's like everything they do in homage is like laughing with.
01:36:21
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Yeah. It's like they're taking so much enjoyment out of it. and Yeah. Yeah. And I think a true, in real Sean and Gus fashion, I think a true lover of that thing huh would only do that.
01:36:35
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Like, if I'm, like, obsessed with... it but it's Like us doing this. If I'm obsessed with, I'm not going to do anything other than like just love on the show in whatever way I can. You know, I'm not going to make fun of it because I don't find it something, something humorous in that way. I find it humorous in in in the fact that it's a comedy. Right.
01:37:00
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And I think that's just what they've done. They're just true lovers love. everything. me I make it apparent. don't know. ah So good.
01:37:11
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ah So good. i this This little mini curriculum that we have put together is proving to be stellar and essential.
01:37:25
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I know. I feel like we, depending on how much we enjoy the mummy, we might just have to add like another or another, just a couple more. Just because it's been so much fun.
01:37:37
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Yeah. Well, do think even if like, you know, we wrap up our, what we picked for this round, i think we could do this every, between every season, you know, because like return, because also they, as we go, they reveal more of their.
01:37:51
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That's true. They reference different things. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe we will think of other things that we need to get into. Yeah. Sounds good to me. I'm um down for coming back to foundations a couple times.
01:38:03
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What is going to be our our next class? we going to do the mummy the next? think that sounds good. And then we'll end on... It Happened One Night, which is our screwball comedy.
01:38:14
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And I feel like that will be a good segue back into the show. Oh, that's it Yes, I like that too. Yeah, we can't we can't land on too serious of a note. Yeah. The mummy would be a little too serious.
01:38:27
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and I did find it for free on Internet Archive. Okay, cool. Both Moonlighting and Columbo were on Tubi.
01:38:38
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Yeah, it was great. So, you know, if you didn't watch them yet and you want to, do Watch them now. Do it. And if you want to watch the original Mummy with us, that's what we'll be discussing next time. The Mummy from 1932.
01:38:51
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