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Episode 7: Fourth of July or Juneteenth—Or Should We Be Celebrating Both? (Day 3 of 30-Day Challenge)
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It’s Day 3 of our 30-Day Challenge, and we’re lighting up the conversation with a timely question:
Should we be celebrating the Fourth of July, Juneteenth—or both?
In this episode of From StartUp to TakeOver—Watch Us Work, we get real about Black freedom, American identity, cultural pride, and what these holidays mean to us. Can both coexist? Should one hold more weight? We’re sharing our thoughts and hearing yours.
💬 Whether you're popping fireworks, waving red-black-and-green, or doing both with balance—this conversation is for you.
Join us every night at 8 PM EST for 30 minutes of thought-provoking, unfiltered conversation.
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:03
Tanya Ruttley
Hello everyone, this is Latrice.
00:00:04
Kim Fletcher
Hello everyone. This is Kim.
00:00:06
Tanya Ruttley
Welcome to From Startup to Takeover.
00:00:10
Kim Fletcher
This is Kim. Hello, hello. Welcome back. Thank you for coming back. You're welcome.
00:00:15
Tanya Ruttley
All right, so you guys, this is day
Holiday Celebrations: 4th of July and Juneteenth
00:00:18
Tanya Ruttley
three of our 30-day challenge.
00:00:18
Kim Fletcher
um
00:00:21
Tanya Ruttley
um And today we kind of wanted to talk about 4th of July Juneteenth. But before we get started, as we always do, Kim, how was your day? That's how we like to start it off.
00:00:37
Kim Fletcher
It was good. It was good day. You know, I ordered my books. So it was a good day. It wasn't like, um I guess I can celebrate the fourth essay.
00:00:48
Kim Fletcher
I ordered a book. I ordered some books. So, yeah. Good day. Good, quiet, peaceful day.
00:00:56
Tanya Ruttley
Good. but Good, good, good.
00:00:57
Kim Fletcher
How about you?
00:01:00
Tanya Ruttley
So for me today, what did I do? Oh, of course I went in my garden. I planted... some bell peppers and I also decided to plant some sweet potatoes to grow for my sister because I have some new slips grown so with the way the sweet potatoes work are in order to grow them you first have to grow slips they're not like the regular Idaho or russet potatoes where you just put the whole potato on the ground
00:01:17
Kim Fletcher
Right. Okay.
00:01:29
Tanya Ruttley
sweet potatoes, you have to first grow slips from an actual sweet potato. And then you take the slips once they get the roots and you plant them. And that's how you start your sweet potato. So I had so many extra because I have a whole bed of sweet potatoes, but I'm also growing new slips. So I got a bunch of new slips and my sister loves sweet potatoes. So I decided to plant some and they take about 100, 120 days.
00:01:53
Tanya Ruttley
And then I'll just mail them to her in Georgia. So I'm super duper excited. I let her see me put the stuff in and get everything sorted and showed her the, um, the after when I planted the little seed, well, slips into the, um, bag, the grow bag. I'm growing those in a grow bag instead of the, um, ground.
00:02:11
Tanya Ruttley
So I'm super duper excited.
00:02:11
Kim Fletcher
so you so you made a video today huh
00:02:12
Tanya Ruttley
That's what I did today.
00:02:15
Tanya Ruttley
Nope. I'm not doing a video for that stuff.
00:02:18
Kim Fletcher
oh she was
00:02:18
Tanya Ruttley
Well, let me take that back. I did a video for myself because I track all that.
00:02:23
Kim Fletcher
Okay.
00:02:24
Tanya Ruttley
But no, not to go anywhere.
00:02:27
Kim Fletcher
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, let's get into this 4th of July, Juneteenth thing.
00:02:34
Tanya Ruttley
Mm-hmm.
00:02:35
Kim Fletcher
and Okay. So I want to know your views. Like, do you consider yourself American? So you celebrate 4th July or do you consider, well, consider yourself American and celebrate 4th of July and Juneteenth?
00:02:52
Kim Fletcher
because we are American and this is still our land. So.
00:02:58
Tanya Ruttley
Yes, I actually, I celebrate both. I don't discredit 4th of July because Juneteenth has is now recognized, right? um We grilled today what my father did for me because I wasn't 100% feeling too good, but my dad, he did everything for me. I think all I made was the pasta salad, um but he grilled for me so and made my favorite that he makes, which is potato salad.
00:03:23
Tanya Ruttley
So we just did something really, really small. um But I think that 4th of July should be still celebrated by us because, um and when I say us, I'm talking about, you know, black people.
00:03:37
Tanya Ruttley
I think we should still celebrate 4th of July.
00:03:37
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:03:39
Tanya Ruttley
This is our country. This is where I was born. Honestly, our heritage, as we you and I both know, Cherokee, this is where they originated from. so
00:03:50
Kim Fletcher
Our land.
00:03:50
Tanya Ruttley
well Right. So although the, native you know, the Europeans came over and stole the land, this is our home, even though we're mixed with African as well.
00:03:52
Kim Fletcher
Right. Right.
The Changing Dynamics of Family Gatherings
00:04:03
Kim Fletcher
right
00:04:03
Tanya Ruttley
But because that's still in our bloodline, the Cherokee, this is home. So I recognize Juneteenth because that was the recognition of slavery really, truly last people, supposedly, I say supposedly, um knowing that they are now free, right?
00:04:21
Kim Fletcher
right
00:04:22
Tanya Ruttley
But 4th of July is about the break from the separation. We're at United States, 1776. So I take both of them with pride, right? Because as you know, a lot of us have mixture.
00:04:32
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:04:35
Tanya Ruttley
We have Caucasian, which we know have Caucasian. We can point to who it is, right? And we have African and we have the Native American.
00:04:42
Kim Fletcher
Mm-hmm.
00:04:46
Tanya Ruttley
So for me, I'd celebrate both because it's who I am. It's who my ancestors
00:04:51
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:04:52
Tanya Ruttley
So what's your thoughts?
00:04:55
Kim Fletcher
Well, I want to get too deep because I can't get deep and say this is our land. This is the
00:05:03
Kim Fletcher
the doing of the Lord. He gave us this land. This is our land. He put every everyone here on this land. So I feel like if God said that he was, he's given us the land of milk and honey.
00:05:16
Kim Fletcher
So this is the land of milk and honey. So if any holiday comes up, we should be able to celebrate it no matter what it is because This is the land that God gave us and he gave it to us to live to the full, to the abundant, to the overflow.
00:05:31
Kim Fletcher
So we should be living. i don't care the fourth of July because of what if what what's behind. 4th of July, people don't want to celebrate it anymore because of Juneteenth, but no, to celebrate the 4th of July because this is our land.
00:05:46
Kim Fletcher
were given this to have it to the full, to the abundance, to the overflow.
00:05:46
Tanya Ruttley
That's right. Yeah.
00:05:51
Kim Fletcher
No idea celebrate by barbecuing it and or anything like that. That's because families have fallen off.
00:05:58
Tanya Ruttley
yeah
00:05:59
Kim Fletcher
No one's gathering or if they are, it's just a little small and you don't know they're cooking at home or something like that. So no, or they're out of town. So, you know, I didn't celebrate it in that perspective, but I celebrate the 4th of July, put it down on the calendar, the 4th of July, Kim got order her book.
00:06:20
Kim Fletcher
So I did celebrate because this is our land period.
00:06:26
Tanya Ruttley
Right. Right. Yeah, I agree. So, I mean, that's, that's pretty much my thing is it it ties into family, I think as well. And like you were saying, families, maybe just having small um celebrations for it.
00:06:39
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:06:40
Tanya Ruttley
But i I think the reason why there are small celebrations, honestly, is probably because families don't have a lot of big celebrations anymore. Right. and And it could be because so many family members are in different locations um and probably not coming together as often, regardless of whatever that holiday Because I noticed a change in my and my family, right?
00:06:54
Kim Fletcher
Right. Right.
00:07:02
Kim Fletcher
right
00:07:02
Tanya Ruttley
um When my mom got sick, because my house was the house where, you know, everybody went for the holidays. And so when my mom got sick... The cooking kind of, you know, i mean, I remember coming home to kentuck from Kentucky one time and cooking there for the holidays.
00:07:19
Tanya Ruttley
um But for the most part, everyone just started celebrating in their own little home. And for me, I tried to change that in our family.
00:07:24
Kim Fletcher
Yes.
00:07:27
Tanya Ruttley
Right. I tried to have like all my siblings come. It was like maybe three years ago. I think it was for Thanksgiving.
00:07:33
Kim Fletcher
Mm-hmm. Yes.
00:07:35
Tanya Ruttley
It may have been for Christmas. It was for Thanksgiving thanksgiving or Christmas. I'm just not sure which one, but everybody, they couldn't come, you know? um But it was just to start a tradition again, so to try to get a...
00:07:48
Kim Fletcher
yeah
00:07:50
Tanya Ruttley
Big size of a family getting together to celebrate. But it's really hard because people start their families. They got little kids. Some can't travel. And again, because we're separate states and separate cities, if they are in the same state, I think that plays a part too.
Challenges in Organizing Family Reunions
00:08:06
Kim Fletcher
Yeah, and and just to talk on that, but you know, back in the day, family would travel to go for the holiday. That would be, you know, family would travel really to go to be with family for holidays didn't matter.
00:08:20
Kim Fletcher
But it was because I feel my view is that the elder that are going home now, you know, have transitioned, it was because of those people that the family gathered together.
00:08:35
Kim Fletcher
So once they went away, like you say, your mother, the younger generation went a different way.
00:08:47
Kim Fletcher
The generation after the generation of the elders that have gone away, de you know, have transitioned.
00:08:56
Tanya Ruttley
Right. And I think that's with a lot of families too, because I know on my husband's side, he talks about that often after his great, it was his great grandmother.
00:09:07
Tanya Ruttley
After she passed, he just noticed a difference um you know, family coming together.
00:09:14
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:09:15
Tanya Ruttley
for holidays, but I i want to say even for him, his family will get together.
00:09:15
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:09:20
Tanya Ruttley
i was, I don't, going to be, yeah, they were closer than evidently my family was because they got together for even little small stuff. Right. It didn't really even have to be a major holiday, but once his great grandmother passed, he noticed that shift.
00:09:36
Tanya Ruttley
It really changed and their everybody was kind of doing their own thing with their family versus everyone thinking our family. Right. Right.
00:09:45
Kim Fletcher
come
00:09:45
Tanya Ruttley
So and that's something I would definitely like to bring back. um
00:09:49
Kim Fletcher
Yeah, I'm saying...
00:09:50
Tanya Ruttley
But I think because I'm in Maryland, i just don't know how easy that would be.
00:09:55
Kim Fletcher
Well, I mean, bringing the entire, not entire family, but immediate family that will always gather, maybe it could be harder with like siblings and their kids, but do you think it could happen? Do you think the...
00:10:10
Kim Fletcher
dynamic of the world the way it is now do you think it could change and and because the words say don't worry about don't keep thinking about the good times that you thought you had or don't keep thinking about that because you're to better times i think do you think be gathering back together with this generation do you think it'll happen
00:10:23
Tanya Ruttley
ah
00:10:27
Tanya Ruttley
Right.
00:10:39
Tanya Ruttley
Yeah. Cause all it takes is someone to start it.
00:10:41
Kim Fletcher
Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:42
Tanya Ruttley
Right. Cause like me, my feelings got hurt when everybody couldn't tell me.
00:10:44
Kim Fletcher
Mm-hmm.
00:10:47
Tanya Ruttley
was like, man, I gave them enough time.
00:10:49
Kim Fletcher
yeah yeah
00:10:51
Tanya Ruttley
You know, so that was really tied to me just being emotional about it. um But I do want to get back. to I said I was going to stop all this. And I do want to get back to trying again.
00:11:04
Tanya Ruttley
Like for my 50th birthday, I said that I wanted to try to have the family because turn 50 next year, 2026 Thanksgiving. next year twenty twenty six on thanks ke
00:11:14
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:11:14
Tanya Ruttley
And so I had told the family way in advance, but then now it fell on me because I ain't playing nothing. Right. I didn't finish it, but I was like two years ago, I told everyone 2026, unless you have a grandbaby being born, you should be there.
00:11:30
Tanya Ruttley
but Right.
00:11:31
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:11:31
Tanya Ruttley
um But I got to do my part now because I don't want to give up on trying to have gatherings with the family and someone has to do it.
00:11:40
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:11:45
Kim Fletcher
What if you have to travel to to them, would you?
00:11:50
Tanya Ruttley
But that's the problem. every So all of us are somewhere different, right?
00:11:55
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:11:55
Tanya Ruttley
So I'm in Maryland. You got one in two, I'm sorry, two in Georgia, one in Alabama, but the two that's even in Georgia, they're in two different cities. Now the one in Alabama and Georgia, of course they border. So they're close.
00:12:06
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:12:06
Tanya Ruttley
We could, but then
00:12:11
Tanya Ruttley
I guess we have to go to one of their homes. I guess it's possible um to do it that way.
00:12:15
Kim Fletcher
That's why can can't will it will happen again. Can we get family back together? That's what I'm saying. Look how hard it is.
00:12:22
Tanya Ruttley
Absolutely. Yeah. It'll take flexibility and a conversation, but I think families can do it.
00:12:24
Kim Fletcher
Yeah.
00:12:26
Kim Fletcher
Yeah.
00:12:27
Tanya Ruttley
They just got to start the conversation and all it takes is someone to have the thought, you know, um and then, and then express it to someone else in the family.
00:12:33
Kim Fletcher
Yeah. Right. And see where the family mind is because it could be something else. It could be needed healing.
00:12:46
Tanya Ruttley
Yeah, could be. And, you know, and maybe the first year won't be that many, but as you continue to do it, it'll grow. Right. It's okay to start small. that And that's what I have to tell myself.
00:12:54
Kim Fletcher
And that's how
00:12:56
Tanya Ruttley
It's okay if everybody don't show.
Societal and Political Impacts on Holiday Celebrations
00:12:58
Kim Fletcher
how you can't put your feelings on your sleeve.
00:12:59
Tanya Ruttley
Yeah.
00:13:02
Tanya Ruttley
Yeah. No, yes, you can on some stuff.
00:13:03
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:13:05
Tanya Ruttley
You can, look, you can wear it on your sleeve, but you have to still move in it.
00:13:05
Kim Fletcher
a
00:13:09
Kim Fletcher
i don't
00:13:10
Tanya Ruttley
You have to still move forward. that's That's what I say.
00:13:12
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:13:14
Tanya Ruttley
It's okay to reveal it sometimes, but still move in what you're supposed to be doing.
00:13:14
Kim Fletcher
So how
00:13:19
Kim Fletcher
okay so i'm still saying saying how are you gonna wear your feelings on your sleeve and still move because you're still sour and moving in with yes
00:13:20
Tanya Ruttley
Yeah.
00:13:28
Tanya Ruttley
Yeah, because you can still... Well, look, I guarantee on this 30 day challenge we got going on, I might be a little sour about some stuff going on because life be lifing, but I'm going show it for my podcast so I can move in the midst of my stuff.
00:13:36
Kim Fletcher
la yeah
00:13:41
Tanya Ruttley
Right. So that's what i that's what I mean. Right. So it's ah it's like there's a temporary halt and then you kind of go back to your whatever it is you're dealing with.
00:13:52
Tanya Ruttley
That's what I mean.
00:13:52
Kim Fletcher
right
00:13:53
Tanya Ruttley
Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. So I definitely think 4th of July and Juneteenth should both be celebrated. But I want to say I've also seen a decline due to PTSD.
00:14:06
Tanya Ruttley
Right. So with me being part of the military community, because, you know, once you're in, you'll be forever surrounded.
00:14:10
Kim Fletcher
yeah
00:14:14
Tanya Ruttley
A lot of it is they can't take. A lot of that boom, pop, pop, pop, you know, so a lot of celebrations are collaborated.
00:14:21
Kim Fletcher
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:25
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:14:26
Tanya Ruttley
So I think that's also part of why you don't see a whole lot of gatherings and stuff. There are a lot of soldiers, airmen. um What are Marines called?
00:14:39
Tanya Ruttley
Girl, I forgot. Anyway, because I know army is soldiers. I guess Marines would be. No, they're not. So what is the Marine?
00:14:48
Tanya Ruttley
child.
00:14:48
Kim Fletcher
Militaries.
00:14:48
Tanya Ruttley
don't know. Air Force is airman. But a anyway, Navy is sailor. I just can't think. So maybe Marine is soldier too, but
00:14:56
Kim Fletcher
see see it are they seals or something like that okay
00:15:01
Tanya Ruttley
no, no, that's a specialty. So, but what I'm saying is there's so many people that was part of the war, right? Right now in the forties, fifties. And so I think that plays a part with family celebrations.
00:15:13
Tanya Ruttley
A lot of them can't take it because PTSD is rampant right now.
00:15:16
Kim Fletcher
and it could be ptsd just inside the family at home you didn't have to be in the military okay
00:15:21
Tanya Ruttley
No, no, no. one um No, no. I'm talking about PTSD as far as fireworks, because what fireworks do is the popping that ties into the 4th of July. Right. So not regular PTSD.
00:15:30
Kim Fletcher
right ok yeah right
00:15:31
Tanya Ruttley
I'm talking about PTSD from the war and gunshots, booms, blasts, that kind of stuff. So I think with a lot of people having that, that plays a part in how much celebration they can do.
00:15:44
Tanya Ruttley
Um, so that also could tie into not so much, um, hoopla with the celebrations of 4th of July. At least that's, I think that ties into it.
00:15:54
Kim Fletcher
yeah
00:15:57
Tanya Ruttley
Um, but other than that, yeah, I think that's pretty much the gist of it about Juneteenth. Maybe it's something we could talk about all the time is ensuring that black people are celebrated throughout the year, not just short stints, right?
00:16:05
Kim Fletcher
right
00:16:11
Kim Fletcher
Not just June team. And then just to talk about June team, what happened? I didn't hear and anything. were Where are our flags? What was the parade? I mean, it was some maybe up north or something here and there, but it wasn't advertised and as much as 4th of July used to be advertised with the fireworks and all kinds. So it's just like 4th of July. So why wasn't it it advertised at as much and why don't we put as much in Juneteenth as we did in the Fourth of July.
00:16:43
Kim Fletcher
But now, to be fair, Fourth of July has been quiet as well. Not so much um advertisement on the Fourth of July or, you know, here and there, enjoy your Fourth or whatever, but not so much. So maybe...
00:16:59
Tanya Ruttley
I think it's also because it's new, right? So we've we've got to give it time. And when I say new, I'm talking more so about the federal part of it, the making it a federal holiday and getting the word out.
00:17:07
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:17:11
Tanya Ruttley
Again, things start small and then they grow. And I think that through the years, I think it'll it'll it'll it'll grow.
00:17:15
Kim Fletcher
But it's really not new.
00:17:19
Tanya Ruttley
It'll get bigger.
00:17:23
Kim Fletcher
If you've been following it, it's just not being advertised.
00:17:27
Tanya Ruttley
No, no. When I say new, so 4th of July is a federal holiday. that's what makes That's what makes it huge, right?
00:17:31
Kim Fletcher
Oh. Okay.
00:17:34
Tanya Ruttley
So Juneteenth just became a federal holiday, what, four years ago, three years ago? So that's new. So it's going I'm talking about the on the federal level where you have, that's the big blasting. it goes It's going to be everywhere.
00:17:50
Tanya Ruttley
And I think that that's going to have time to grow. That's what I'm talking about.
00:17:55
Kim Fletcher
Yeah, okay. Okay.
00:17:56
Tanya Ruttley
And right, you got to think now with President Trump being in office, he ensured that there was no so federal celebration for Juneteenth, right?
00:17:59
Kim Fletcher
But we have the.
00:18:04
Kim Fletcher
Yeah. Yeah, but.
00:18:06
Tanya Ruttley
that That plays a part because he did that.
00:18:07
Kim Fletcher
through wait
00:18:09
Tanya Ruttley
Mm-hmm.
00:18:10
Kim Fletcher
working too many holidays and it's working get it together people many holidays and it's working yeah
00:18:17
Tanya Ruttley
Yeah, well, he said that on Juneteenth, but he passed that before Juneteenth, right? Even with the MLK. There's still holidays. He just don't want the federal. It needs to be no celebration at the federal level.
00:18:31
Tanya Ruttley
Bull crap.
00:18:31
Kim Fletcher
oh yeah right
00:18:31
Tanya Ruttley
But that's what he did. So that's what i'm saying. He put something in play so that it's not a big hoopla. That's what I'm saying. and And the great part of it is he's in office temporarily and he'll be out. and the and and
00:18:42
Kim Fletcher
yeah right yes
00:18:43
Tanya Ruttley
And that's that's that's a good thing when you have the way our country is set up, they rotate. So I may not care for who's in office this these four years, but okay, buddy, you'll get out of there and we'll have another one.
00:18:57
Tanya Ruttley
And hopefully we can vote to have someone that's for everybody versus, you know, just themselves or what they represent.
00:19:03
Kim Fletcher
yeah and then maybe yeah and then maybe people will be engaged again You know, maybe shift at the atmosphere ah will shift to being um more love than hate because it's a lot of hate out here.
00:19:10
Tanya Ruttley
You know,
00:19:21
Kim Fletcher
So maybe then, you know, shift.
00:19:26
Tanya Ruttley
yeah. And, and then you know, and that could be part of um what's going on with the, as you say, the decline in the 4th of July celebration as well, because, you know, the temper in the country right now is not good.
00:19:41
Tanya Ruttley
That could be also planned a part on the celebration.
00:19:44
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:19:46
Tanya Ruttley
You know, how you want to celebrate your country regardless of who's in office, but that's very important um to the morale of the country. And right now the country's not doing well.
00:19:57
Kim Fletcher
Yeah.
00:19:58
Tanya Ruttley
Yeah.
00:19:58
Kim Fletcher
So in fact, these are not and families are not wanting to celebrate into things that I even heard on about essence, a decline in vendors that it's an essence and People are bagging out because of declining the ticket sales.
00:20:15
Kim Fletcher
It's just things know
00:20:16
Tanya Ruttley
Now what you think, yes. So do you.
00:20:19
Kim Fletcher
that's going on in the in in in the in the world right now. People probably feel like, why? shit We don't want to celebrate. We don't have anything to celebrate for, it but you do.
00:20:31
Kim Fletcher
Because you want to celebrate.
00:20:31
Tanya Ruttley
Well, could it also be, now when you say Black ex Essence Award type stuff, I guess, for me, could that also be tied to, we see all these people on social media. See, I think social media is a blessing and a curse, right?
00:20:45
Tanya Ruttley
Just like everything. But I think when you get to see these celebrities every day, it's not the same. Think of when we were younger and we heard someone was coming to town to do a concert.
00:20:58
Tanya Ruttley
Girl, all we really saw was on a magazine cover, on the video.
00:21:01
Kim Fletcher
right
00:21:03
Tanya Ruttley
But now you get to see these people lives. And it's kind of, to be and a celebrity is supposed to be, you know, an excitement for the unknown. But there's no unknown. Everybody is showing everything in the media online.
00:21:20
Tanya Ruttley
So there's no suspense and you have to keep suspense. So that also could be playing a part for people not showing up for that kind of stuff.
00:21:29
Kim Fletcher
But I would think because they are saying so much that they would want to see the celebrity in person, really you know like a physical touch.
00:21:39
Tanya Ruttley
But it's proven it's not.
00:21:40
Kim Fletcher
What
00:21:40
Tanya Ruttley
They send them all the time.
00:21:43
Kim Fletcher
do you think? Because they see that plays a part of maybe the decline.
00:21:43
Tanya Ruttley
They send them all the time.
00:21:47
Kim Fletcher
I think what's going on in the world is playing a part of the decline because I feel like people saying so much going on.
00:21:48
Tanya Ruttley
Yeah. ah Because I think they'll work.
00:21:54
Kim Fletcher
Why? Are we celebrating so much? and Why are we celebrating this or that when so much is going on right now? People losing this and losing that and people are scared.
00:22:08
Kim Fletcher
I feel like, Jesus, you wouldn't be scared.
00:22:10
Tanya Ruttley
What are they scared of?
00:22:14
Kim Fletcher
That's what I feel. Because, that you I mean, everybody's not of God and I know that because it says everybody won't believe but those who do.
Community Involvement and Generational Changes
00:22:24
Kim Fletcher
Believe the word of God, you're going to be okay.
00:22:27
Kim Fletcher
That's all I say. Keep going. What did you say? Don't worry about you told your dad. Don't worry about what's going on with him. This time to do what you need to do.
00:22:37
Tanya Ruttley
Well, yeah, that's something I've kind of grabbed a hold of. Instead of all the complaining, when something's going on, what can you do?
00:22:44
Kim Fletcher
Yes.
00:22:46
Tanya Ruttley
Girl, I was walking by, you know, he was on his whole Trump thing.
00:22:51
Kim Fletcher
um look
00:22:53
Tanya Ruttley
I was like, you know what?
00:22:53
Kim Fletcher
yeah
00:22:55
Tanya Ruttley
Oh, when they was getting ready to pass the bill, I said, Daddy, you should have ran to be a senator.
00:22:57
Kim Fletcher
but
00:22:59
Tanya Ruttley
You know what? That's what you could have to make a change.
00:23:01
Kim Fletcher
Yes.
00:23:01
Tanya Ruttley
He ain't saying, man, I bet you he was probably like, this girl.
00:23:03
Kim Fletcher
love was
00:23:06
Tanya Ruttley
Because there's some change that you could have implemented.
00:23:06
Kim Fletcher
Well, he
00:23:10
Tanya Ruttley
We can't just sit around complaining all the time.
00:23:11
Kim Fletcher
still can. He still can. Who says he still can?
00:23:15
Tanya Ruttley
Yeah, app absolutely.
00:23:19
Kim Fletcher
He have a voice.
00:23:20
Tanya Ruttley
he He does.
00:23:20
Kim Fletcher
He loves you.
00:23:21
Tanya Ruttley
I tell him that. Yeah. And that brain still works fine.
00:23:25
Kim Fletcher
Yeah. So you
00:23:26
Tanya Ruttley
Okay. Yeah. So I be telling him all the time, you're my dad's an inventor. I be like, look, you should be sitting back.
00:23:31
Kim Fletcher
yeah
00:23:35
Tanya Ruttley
I be like, don't need to be on no phone.
00:23:36
Kim Fletcher
yeah
00:23:37
Tanya Ruttley
Talk, talk to your friend later. Sit back there come up with some ideas because I remember I used to always tell him, man, I wish I had your brain because the way he can sit down
00:23:39
Kim Fletcher
yeah
00:23:49
Tanya Ruttley
And analyze something and then be like, ah and he told me one day, he's like, you can do that. i was like, ah hey be grateful what God gave you. He can give us all the same gift. That is yours.
00:24:00
Tanya Ruttley
I just wish, give me some, just give me some of the stuff that you think about. See where I can take it. Um, because he definitely him. And I think my baby brother, um I think they are blessed to be inventors.
00:24:14
Tanya Ruttley
I really do. Um, but it takes time to sit and be quiet and hone into that craft. And girl, you know, your uncle, he, um, he, he too much of a busybody, but, uh, huh?
00:24:21
Kim Fletcher
yeah
00:24:24
Kim Fletcher
hi and in the he can they can do wonders like uncle they could do wonders like they can get people in that needs uncle jb he could i mean you know he could get people in like he can use his voice he had
00:24:38
Tanya Ruttley
yeah
00:24:40
Kim Fletcher
I don't know if he doesn't want to be in the public or you know what but he can he would be a great congressman or senator yeah he would be okay
00:24:52
Tanya Ruttley
Yep. Yeah. You do know we have one of our family members that's currently running. um What position is he running for for? He's not in my county. He is up here where I'm at, but he's not in my county.
00:25:06
Tanya Ruttley
um And I definitely would have voted for him. I'll tell you who it is later, but um he is running. what position?
00:25:16
Tanya Ruttley
Councilman. He's running bill councilman in his county.
00:25:18
Kim Fletcher
You know what? Let me say this. Kids these days, maybe...
00:25:25
Kim Fletcher
um He don't want to do it because kids don't listen because he always say these kids won't listen. They won't listen. Kids don't want like we would sit down or maybe somebody would train us how to, you know, be electrician or we had electrician in the family or or a painter or something. And you would wash it with like or a hairdresser. You would wash the hairdresser or and listen to what they had to tell you.
00:25:48
Kim Fletcher
The kids these days, they don't want to listen. They don't care to listen. So how do you think that he would could
00:25:56
Tanya Ruttley
Why do you, let me ask you a question. Why you always say kids these days? That's, you don't think that was when we grew up, girl. That's why ain't trying to be funny. Look at majority of our cousins. What are they doing? And I'm not being funny.
00:26:07
Tanya Ruttley
It's not, the kids these days, that's, I don't think that's true.
00:26:07
Kim Fletcher
got you. I got you. Yeah, yeah.
00:26:12
Tanya Ruttley
Okay.
00:26:12
Kim Fletcher
ya Well, maybe I would change the word. It's just a generation.
00:26:17
Tanya Ruttley
I think it's life.
00:26:17
Kim Fletcher
and And you just think it's life?
00:26:21
Tanya Ruttley
Girl, look it up.
00:26:21
Kim Fletcher
So yeah.
00:26:22
Tanya Ruttley
Okay, let's do this.
00:26:23
Kim Fletcher
It's just history that you can accept.
00:26:23
Tanya Ruttley
Let's do this. Let's look at our parents. Let's look at our parents. It is.
00:26:27
Kim Fletcher
That's what it is.
00:26:28
Tanya Ruttley
So i don't I don't put a time frame on it.
00:26:30
Kim Fletcher
History.
00:26:31
Tanya Ruttley
I think that there are those who are achievers and there are those who aren't.
00:26:35
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:26:38
Kim Fletcher
Right.
00:26:39
Tanya Ruttley
And I don't care how far back we go in families, you have those who achieved and you have those who didn't care to.
00:26:45
Kim Fletcher
Okay.
00:26:47
Tanya Ruttley
So I don't, I'm sorry.
00:26:47
Kim Fletcher
right
00:26:49
Tanya Ruttley
I just don't think it's these kids.
00:26:51
Kim Fletcher
and
00:26:51
Tanya Ruttley
Cause I hear a lot of older people always saying these, these kids, this generation, I'll be like, Oh, wait a minute now.
00:26:52
Kim Fletcher
yeah
00:26:58
Kim Fletcher
okay okay i just say a history repeating itself because i can go back and just think about my parents doing then uh it's just like history repeating itself i'm sure granted them did whatever they did but i think yeah yeah
00:27:12
Tanya Ruttley
Yeah, that's what it's life. Because they had out of them, out of all them kids, it was only so many that really went and did something. And that's just truth.
Children's Voices and Expression
00:27:20
Kim Fletcher
yeah
00:27:21
Tanya Ruttley
So it's it's not these kids.
00:27:21
Kim Fletcher
yeah
00:27:23
Tanya Ruttley
They're not different in a sense in that type of stuff. It's the same. You have those who get it later in life.
00:27:31
Kim Fletcher
Mm-hmm.
00:27:31
Tanya Ruttley
Right.
00:27:31
Kim Fletcher
Mm-hmm.
00:27:32
Tanya Ruttley
And you have those like we talked about, I think maybe on our first very first podcast, you have those who come out from the jump. They're young and they know what it is they want to do. And then you have those who don't know or they think they know and they don't want what you're telling them.
00:27:47
Tanya Ruttley
you You know, it's just a mixture of life. It's a mixture of life. And I think that is the great, great thing about life. You get to find your way. and I think while people are finding their way, let's love on them. Let's give them the um the room they need to grow while also trying to guide them in a loving way.
00:28:06
Tanya Ruttley
Because we all find our time at different stages in life. And that's why I just don't like the whole when people get on the this whole generation thing.
00:28:17
Kim Fletcher
Okay.
00:28:18
Tanya Ruttley
Sorry.
00:28:18
Kim Fletcher
So going off that, should we let should we let children have voices?
00:28:27
Tanya Ruttley
Absolutely.
00:28:28
Kim Fletcher
Speak.
00:28:28
Tanya Ruttley
Absolutely.
00:28:31
Tanya Ruttley
I think I learned that, you know, um with me and my age gaps of my children.
00:28:32
Kim Fletcher
I feel the
00:28:37
Tanya Ruttley
Unfortunately, my oldest, I feel he got the worst because I was so dress right dress. You got to do, do, do, do. Hold on, boy. Be quiet. What? and And I learned, I think by the third, give him a little room.
00:28:52
Tanya Ruttley
ah don't Let me not give you too much now. And now with my baby, it's like, go do what you want. let's Let's see. Let's have this conversation. Okay.
00:29:00
Kim Fletcher
What? What?
00:29:01
Tanya Ruttley
teaching more so on understanding tone when they're expressing themselves.
00:29:01
Kim Fletcher
That's unique.
00:29:05
Tanya Ruttley
So, you know, I, I definitely believe God has given me an opportunity to do better as a parent.
00:29:05
Kim Fletcher
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:29:12
Tanya Ruttley
Um, so I do lean in with this blessing that I have because I did make my mistakes with my children, but definitely kids have a voice.
00:29:17
Kim Fletcher
Right. Right. Me too.
00:29:22
Tanya Ruttley
Absolutely.
00:29:23
Kim Fletcher
That's what I said. ah Let them have a voice because we did not have a voice. It was like, you do be quiet. Why are you crying?
00:29:30
Tanya Ruttley
Yeah.
00:29:31
Kim Fletcher
This and that. So now, no, I think God gave me a second chance in being a grandmother to let my grandchildren have a voice because they have a voice. They have children. So i want I wanted to see your view on should we allow children to have voices?
00:29:40
Tanya Ruttley
Right.
00:29:47
Kim Fletcher
Should we let them speak? Should we? yeah I feel so like 8.30 that they should have voices.
00:29:54
Tanya Ruttley
Yep. Absolutely.
00:29:56
Kim Fletcher
Latrine.
00:29:56
Tanya Ruttley
And I agree. All right, you guys, we are going to stick to my boss's schedule, which is 30 minutes and it is now 830. So thanks for joining us on this 4th of July.
00:30:06
Kim Fletcher
Latrine. but
00:30:10
Tanya Ruttley
um and hopefully we'll see you guys again tomorrow. Same time, eight o'clock for 30 minutes. um So Kim and Latrice.
00:30:19
Kim Fletcher
And I would say for our listeners before we end, if you can have kid half a time, write a review of or take a polling of should we, what do you think?
00:30:20
Tanya Ruttley
Come start up. Go ahead.
00:30:32
Kim Fletcher
Should we let children have voices?
00:30:35
Tanya Ruttley
Right.
00:30:35
Kim Fletcher
Should our little ones have voices?
00:30:36
Tanya Ruttley
That's a good one. Right.
00:30:38
Kim Fletcher
Give us opinion. Let us talk about it tomorrow. See who, how many believe they should have voices and how many believe they should not have voices.
00:30:46
Tanya Ruttley
Kim, Kim.
00:30:47
Kim Fletcher
Yes, yes, yes, okay.
00:30:48
Tanya Ruttley
All right. We're going to tell you guys.
00:30:49
Kim Fletcher
All right.
00:30:51
Tanya Ruttley
i I'm taking her job tonight. We're going to tell you.
00:30:54
Kim Fletcher
Good night.
00:30:55
Tanya Ruttley
We're going to tell you guys.
00:30:57
Kim Fletcher
i
00:30:58
Tanya Ruttley
But we will definitely be on here tomorrow. So if you want to join us, please show up at eight o'clock Eastern Standard Time. Again, happy 4th of July. Kim and Latrice from Startup to Takeover.
00:31:09
Tanya Ruttley
Watch Us Work podcast.
00:31:10
Kim Fletcher
wa
00:31:11
Tanya Ruttley
We are out.
00:31:12
Kim Fletcher
night
00:31:14
Tanya Ruttley
Good night.