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S2E13: Oh No, Not Pascaretti!
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Series spoilers abound! Today we’re discussing Season 2, Episode 13 “Lights, Camera… Homicidio” with an homage to telenovela and a watching of “Rubi”! The boys get roped into a murder investigation at the TV studio where Santa Barbara’s own telenovela is filmed. Gus knows all the key players on the show, and soon we can’t help but wonder… What is real and what is just TV? We’re talking zooms, misty eyes, prop knives, gasps, and more! So, grab your favorite craft-service-table snack and join Kylie and Skyler on this very DRAMATIC episode of Phsysics 101!
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Introduction to 'Psy6101' Podcast
00:00:19
Speaker
Hi, everyone, and welcome to the Psy6101, where we discuss everything about the world of Psyche and the antics of Sean and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar, and this is my partner, Ruby Perez.
00:00:30
Speaker
And today we'll be talking about season two, episode 13 of the famed TV show, Psyche. Lights, camera, homicidio. So good.
00:00:42
Speaker
Our next homage. Yeah, maybe... Is this our first like proper homage to that? This is like a first like theme. i mean, other than like Christmas.
00:00:53
Speaker
Yeah. Other than a holiday. Yeah. Yeah. um Very fun one. So it's not like to a specific thing, but to a genre. Yes.
Soap Opera References and Personal Connections
00:01:05
Speaker
Yes. Which I enjoy. Yeah. They're kind of making these wide sweeping references so that kind of like what we've discussed before with but some of the more specific ones, even if you don't get some of the jokes, you know, it's broad enough where you're like, haha, like ah I get that, you know? Yeah. Everybody, wanted to ask you too, like, if you have, do you have a relationship with soap opera at all in your life?
00:01:33
Speaker
So in fact, I do. My mom, since the age of like, I don't know, probably 17, she has watched soap operas. So when I was growing up every single day in my house, when she got home from work, there was general hospital.
00:01:48
Speaker
on the TV. Yeah. So i I don't keep up, but i I know all the characters. So whenever she talks about it. Oh, yeah, I know all of it. So I do. And I love that about this episode. Like it feels celebratory.
00:02:03
Speaker
In that way where it I mean like an homage like it's like honoring the yeah form of the telenovela and the soap opera and but also like making fun a little bit.
00:02:17
Speaker
yeah And you see so many different perspectives on it with like in the flashback like. all the different people like engaging with it. So all of that is so fun. But um yeah, I have a, mean, similar, like when I was a kid, my mom worked nights. And so I have a very nostalgic, like memory of like summer days, like her being awake in the afternoons, like watching soap operas.
00:02:43
Speaker
And it just feels very like summery, like a sense memory. That's sweet. We always think of it whenever TV, because it's, They're on, it's daytime, you know, like it's such a specific feeling to like these.
00:02:58
Speaker
the sound of them and the feel of them and the drama just while the sun is up. Yeah. well It's a very specific feeling.
High Stakes and Character Dynamics in Soap Operas
00:03:07
Speaker
It's true. yeah And I think one of the other kind of fun things about them, and we've discussed how, you know, when you have a show on for so long, like the stakes have to constantly get higher and higher. Like these shows, they literally air every single day. mineus Yeah. And talk about meandering. like Yes.
00:03:25
Speaker
That is next level meandering. Yeah. So it's like, oh, of course, how would they not have twins that died and then come back to life in this age? And is it like you they have to. Yeah, I actually just recently got invested in a couple on the British soap opera Coronation Street.
00:03:44
Speaker
Oh, haven't heard them. Is it good? What's it about? It. I don't fully know. But I mean, they're all on this street.
00:03:55
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, makes sense. And so it's just like the happenings. Sure. So I would see them on Tumblr like this – ah copper lisa swain and um carla connor who's like i guess been there the whole time and so i was like oh i'm gonna keep up with them so i would like just watch their scenes that's some nice person but on youtube yeah but like to get myself like some background i like read carla connor who's been there the whole time i read her like wiki and it's just like
00:04:32
Speaker
husband's dying sickness like all just like crazy yeah but i mean i was like wow like soaps are soaps they are they are there yeah there's something very specific about this genre yeah which they i mean obviously play a lot with i'm trying to think too there's like other shows i mean jane the virgin which i never actually watched but that was like a big a whole show like homaging the telenovela.
00:05:05
Speaker
Oh, maybe we have to watch that too. Yeah, I heard good things when it was on. Me too, yeah. I think it was Ugly Betty like could maybe fall into that category too. They definitely have some just like really heightened yeah drama.
00:05:19
Speaker
Yeah.
Guilty Pleasures and Media Value
00:05:21
Speaker
Love that show. um But yeah, so... Yeah, very fun yeah stuff.
00:05:31
Speaker
It is fun that, like, sort of in the way we see in this episode, like, everybody has a relationship to social friends. Yes. It was really fun getting to see the different perspectives of the characters watching this show.
00:05:47
Speaker
And even if there was only a little bit of knowledge, it still seemed like everyone, maybe except Lassie, but Yeah, you're right. He was like the straight man. He had no idea. No idea.
00:06:01
Speaker
No idea. And it was blatantly obvious in some instances. And then in others, you were like, no, yeah, it was like, okay, you know, but yeah, it was fun. Even like Buzz had ah relationship with telenovela, which was kind of, yeah, fun to see. Yeah.
00:06:16
Speaker
Yeah. Do you think Lassie watches TV at all? Oh, that's a great question. I bet he watches like true crime documentaries. Oh. And that might be it. Or like I could see him being the one. Did you ever see Life PD when it was on?
00:06:31
Speaker
Oh, no. okay it was like pre-covid it was like body cam footage yeah yeah of cops like yeah he probably would be into that i feel like that's what he would live i i think maybe like a five minute delay but like like as live as possible without know wow yeah um i feel like he probably probably would he has and put it on no idea or something you know what work-life balance is No, no.
00:06:58
Speaker
um I am thinking he also, i think we can honestly know he's into like, who's that guy? ah the name is on the tip of my tongue.
00:07:11
Speaker
So it's like cowboy type movies, but more contemporary. Clint Eastwood? Maybe. That was my guess. Yeah. That's who I'm thinking of, but now I'm thinking that's wrong.
00:07:24
Speaker
Who is it? When he and Marlo are discussing so-and-so's best movie, who is it? Who is it? That's a good question. shows you how into westerns and whatnot we are. He ah he probably watches like Walker, Texas Ranger.
00:07:46
Speaker
yeah probably. Yeah, we did a little bit of homework to situate ourselves in the genre. Yeah. Yeah, I found like a ah listicle on Cosmo that was like, these 25 telenovelas are bringing all the drama.
00:08:04
Speaker
Just like skimmed them. And the one that stuck out, mainly because it had like a femme fatale. And it also seemed like some of them had like.
00:08:17
Speaker
Like the character was like a drug kingpin or something. Like I felt like that almost like too much plot. Yeah. Because this was just like this woman wants money. it seemed like it was more like relationships and stuff. More like what we are, what we're dealing with in our yes show.
Character Analysis and Telenovela Elements
00:08:34
Speaker
Yes. And it is called Ruby. and we i googled ah this is what i was gonna tell you oh yes i googled ruby deaths did you just get a list of like all the people who died with the name ruby there was like well it was like specific videos that had been put on like youtube of specific deaths so i like came across one and it was also in spanish so i was like not thought maybe it was murdered, but I don't think Ruby murdered Sonia. Do you?
00:09:07
Speaker
I feel like that. Oh, this one? and Yeah. don't know. Yeah. don't think so. But it looked like it would be fun. So we watched episode 67. In the first minute of episode 68. Yes.
00:09:21
Speaker
um And yeah. What do you think? How do you feel about the genre? Did it help you? I think it was, you know, it was interesting. So I'm not a telenovela connoisseur. However, I have seen many soap opera episodes.
00:09:37
Speaker
um So, you know, when when we're watching the the very beginning of the psych episode, there are a couple of like nods to very telenovela-y episodes.
00:09:49
Speaker
tropes I suppose you know like Henry points out that they're you know she's standing in the light she's looking at the light to help her cry and I was like does that really happen and then in the first three scenes every woman is standing in direct sunlight oh my god I didn't even think about that did you watch the episode first and then did yeah okay interesting I did the reverse so I really wasn't thinking about like what we would have learned from psych.
00:10:15
Speaker
Yeah, that's funny. It was just, it yeah. And I was like, oh my gosh, I guess that is like ah kind of trope, like when things are dramatic, like the woman just has to be in the light and be like, Alejandro. You know, like... Yeah, and in I how it was fun, though.
00:10:30
Speaker
Yeah. I also had fun. Every episode is on YouTube. and I'm like, well, maybe I'll come back. You know, the acting people, it's famously like overwrought, but I really was not that taken aback.
00:10:42
Speaker
Like, so there were some moments where I was like, haha. Yeah. But... um Did you... see the part where she meets like her niece the hospital waiting room. Okay.
00:10:56
Speaker
So, and this is maybe, maybe because ah we haven't seen the whole show. Yeah, we did pick a random episode with no context. None, none whatsoever. ah But yeah, I was trying to just figure out like Ruby as ah character and the show as an entity, because when when that happened, I was like,
00:11:17
Speaker
Is she bad? Does she have magical powers? Like she seemed very like conniving and like, Ooh, going to get the small child, you know? And was like, or at least it's how people were treating her.
00:11:27
Speaker
And was like, what, what's going on here? Okay. I'm going to read this from the Wikipedia page. Yes. um Which I did glimpse before picking it. And I don't know if this is in a literal sense or if there is like a magical element to the show.
00:11:47
Speaker
Okay. So in the heart of Ruby reigns a constant struggle between every woman's desire to find true love. Of course. And a desperate obsession with money. Oh.
00:11:58
Speaker
Although fate has denied her a good economic situation, it has instead favored her with extraordinary physical beauty, and Ruby is determined to use it to marry a rich man who will give her the life of luxury she aspires to.
00:12:13
Speaker
So that's... I don't think she's like a bad... Well, she's morally gray. Yes, as most people are. Yeah, yeah right?
00:12:25
Speaker
yeah um We love a morally gray character. i do. isa explain one Like there were some really interesting moments within the show where she's like very sweet. Like I feel like she's sweet with the little girl and she's sweet with alejandra Alejandro's mom later. Yeah.
00:12:41
Speaker
But then almost felt like like when her sister comes up and is like – That's my daughter. And then, again, no background. So I was like, took me a minute to realize, okay, this is her sister.
00:12:53
Speaker
Yeah. She said, yeah, my niece. And I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. I'm like, I got it. Yeah. But the way her her expression Ruby's expression changed when she realized it was her niece.
00:13:05
Speaker
Yes. It felt like she was antagonizing her sister. Like, I don't think she was, like, going to be... mean to this little girl. yeah But it felt like she's like, oh, I know you don't like that your daughter likes me.
00:13:20
Speaker
Right. So let me just play with that a little bit. It was interesting because the sister was so apprehensive and antagonist. I don't know. She was just so like, you're a bad person. Stay away from my niece. I don't want her to end up like you. And I was like, what? lot of people are like that. And think...
00:13:40
Speaker
and i think Based on the, again, little jaunt we took into this world, nice think they're probably justified in terms of, like, she has very clear motivations and they're not necessarily nice.
00:13:56
Speaker
Yeah. Sure. Yeah.
00:14:00
Speaker
And it makes, I mean, you know, as a soapy kind of show, I think it makes for much more drama to have a a lead who is morally fraught. and Yeah. And who maybe does kind of go back and forth between the two.
00:14:14
Speaker
Totally. Like someone who can be, yeah, both. Because then... anything works. Again, like what we were saying, like, you can, you know, nothing's off the table. If you have a character who's capable of being very kind and generous and being extremely conniving like,
00:14:32
Speaker
and like lying and stuff then like you can do whatever with her yeah yeah exactly so i think that was kind of fun that yeah we did get to see a little bit of both sides of her even in this very short yeah i feel like the episode mean i wonder if every episode like you see every yeah side of her but it did feel like we saw lot yeah totally Absolutely. And i feel like we got a lot of really good, like quintessential telenovela pieces in it.
00:15:02
Speaker
You know, the there's like some slapping. There's like, you know, moments they're grasping their mouths. and you Someone dies. I mean, we got it all.
00:15:13
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. The notes I was taking were for just like about like the form and like i'm watching you watch the last few minutes, like you were like the zooms. Yeah. which like the zooms i feel like that was like one of my main takeaways too it was just that like something happens and it's just zoom zoom zoom it's like right into their face yeah which does feel very dramatic yeah um but yeah yeah there's some very yeah obvious tropes quintessential aspects of it that are are kind of fun
00:15:47
Speaker
Yeah. I also thought the music was really fun. Like the music yeah does a lot to like tell you something's about to happen or something like tension is building, which they definitely played with that in the psych episode. Like even in the episode itself, like I noticed like coming into scenes, there would be like this little do do do Yes. Yeah. like Latin guitar sting thing that would feel very like spooky. Yeah.
00:16:13
Speaker
I feel like a there was definitely one aspect where or one scene in it where I wrote down, ah the music. Because it just it felt so yeah dramatic.
00:16:23
Speaker
can Yeah. Yeah, it's so fun. And I love seeing that because it's like they also did their homework, you know? like they were Yeah, yeah. How do we...
Cultural Biases in Media Perception
00:16:34
Speaker
Well, and that is something that I really love about this show. They pay homage to things. As you said, it's a love letter, but it's it's very clear that...
00:16:46
Speaker
they didn't just like pull this out of nowhere. They didn't just go, oh, we really love, wouldn't it be so funny if we did telenovela? Oh my gosh, I've seen telenovela one time. Let's do it. It'd be like you and I making an episode now. It didn't feel like that.
00:16:59
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. um It really feels like, yeah, they did their homework. They know what they're talking about. They understand like why certain aspects are important and, you know, what can be taken seriously and what can be kind of joked about, you know, and where you don't draw the line or where you do draw the line and where you don't cross the line, um which you idioms so bad.
00:17:23
Speaker
I've never thought about like how close those two idioms are and that they mean the opposite. They mean the opposite. This is they're so confusing. Oh my gosh. But yeah, it it definitely does.
00:17:36
Speaker
feels it doesn't feel like they're making fun of it. If you know what I mean, it feels like we're all laughing together. Yeah. Like, you wow, you can't believe that we do this. This is so silly that we do this, you know, kind of. Yeah. Well, and like the performers like that, the people who are playing, I don't know.
00:17:56
Speaker
Well, they are. The characters are actors. Yeah. oh in the psych episode in the psych episode um like they take pride in what they do yeah um like i love the uh the scene where they're interrogate they're not really interrogating her but they're questioning her as a witness this one character and she's talking about my gosh she's like telling them these, you know, sordid deeds that have gone on and then they realize that she's talking about the plot of the show.
00:18:32
Speaker
And she looks so proud of like their, what she's done. It's quite cute. I mean, hey, like Jorge was able to come to the United States from Mexico in order to do this show.
00:18:43
Speaker
Like he's able to send money back to his family because of this show. Like, you know, yeah there are a lot of very wonderful aspects about this for them. Why not be proud? And it's, you know, it's good TV. Everybody loves it. It's a phenomenon.
00:18:57
Speaker
What does Gus call it? something like that oh there were say so many good lines so just to start yeah i think most of my notes were just really great lines this quote's always the case isn't it so true um well should we get into the episode why not let's do it okay and right. So we we start off, of course, with our flashback and we see Henry sitting on the couch watching TV, clutching his remote control.
00:19:32
Speaker
And there on the TV, we hear the very distinctive soapy music. hmm. Which if you've ever seen the soap, you know what I mean? um Very dramatic, you know.
00:19:45
Speaker
And there's a a woman and a man and they're clearly having some form of conflict or whatever, you know, one's about to cry. And Henry seems just so engrossed in this.
00:19:56
Speaker
And Sean walks in. And he's like, what you watching? and Henry's like, oh, nothing. I was actually, I was asleep, actually. I wasn't watching this. Your mom left this on. Yeah, your mom left this We get a little masculinity stuff that we see.
00:20:09
Speaker
Which I thought, for yeah, I thought was kind of interesting. um And maybe that's just because I guess people interpret soaps as like feminine or hyper feminine or more of a, you know. Absolutely. Yeah, because it's all about, you know, relationships and and people dynamics. but And it's dramatic.
00:20:26
Speaker
And it's dramatic, right, of course. Women, of course. Yeah, dramatic. Of course, of course. But I thought it was funny how then he he, of course, has to like skew it. It couldn't just be you talking about toxic masculinity. It couldn't just be that he wanted to watch the show.
00:20:41
Speaker
It was that it was like research, you know, into people. like Right. Yeah. he The way he frames it. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. And he teaches Sean to pay attention to what's happening on the screen. And the woman is looking into the stage light and looking into the stage light is forcing her to cry because the lights are bright.
00:21:01
Speaker
And, you know, perps do that all the time in the interrogation room, Sean. And I loved how at the end Sean was like, so acting is just a lie? um Yeah, of course.
00:21:13
Speaker
um But yeah, the whole interaction was really... interesting especially when I guess we compare it to the slightly more evolved Henry that we've seen yeah that's true Henry these days would probably just watch it yeah I don't think he would care he does he's going to get his tan yeah that's true he does watch it he went to the set And berated Sean for his actions. Yeah. You know?
00:21:39
Speaker
I'm Sean. I am Sean. Shawnee. Yeah, that's totally true. And, like, what you said about um how he is kind of, like, has to frame it as, like, research.
00:21:55
Speaker
it It reminds me of like, the dichotomy we've talked about of, like, the gut versus um intuition. Because it's, like, I mean, just the idea that like, oh, he's actually, actually, this is like study. This is a work. So that makes it, you know, okay yeah justified. Yeah. Right.
00:22:14
Speaker
Yeah. It's just like these funny lines we draw. Yeah. And I guess the thing that I always wonder is just like, so what?
00:22:28
Speaker
So what? So you want to watch a soap opera. So what? Well, yeah, I think for you, I feel like soap operas, among other things, would fall into the category of like what people call a guilty pleasure, which is like, what's guilty about it? Like, why do we even talk about it like that? Yeah,
Intellectual Value and Cultural Standards in Media
00:22:50
Speaker
that's a good question. And always stuff that is feminine or like,
00:22:57
Speaker
marginalized in some way like scandal like somebody might even call that like a guilty pleasure you know just because it's like melodrama um but then like breaking bad is like that is if you want to be cool like if you want to say if you want to sound smart your favorite show is going to be something like breaking bad Right. I was going to say, yeah, it's like an intellectual, quote unquote, intellectual thing as if.
00:23:24
Speaker
Well, yeah, I mean, I guess the question then is. is But even that the question of like intelligence. is questionable, right? Because there are so many different ways in which people are smart, right? You can be book smart. You can be people smart. You can be like creating things smart, right?
00:23:43
Speaker
You can be machine smart. There's like, there's so many different ways to be smart. So watching something like keeping up with the Kardashians, that's like a people smart kind of a thing. Can you understand the personal dynamics? Can you understand like why someone is upset? Can you empathize with those characters in some way?
00:24:02
Speaker
And Breaking Bad is something more like a book smart, right? Can you understand the chemistry or can you, whatever, whatever, right? I guess- Well, it might even be more similar than like, than we want it to be.
00:24:16
Speaker
Like, because yeah even that, but it's like- It's probably less, maybe more subtle or like and it's all men. i was going to say, I feel like it's personal relationships, but it's not for the sake of personal relationships. It's for the sake of drug dealing.
00:24:33
Speaker
Yeah. There's something like darker and cooler about it. Hardcore about it. Right. Exactly. But in order to but in order to to do that, they have to have all this other knowledge. Yeah. It it it feels more...
00:24:46
Speaker
I don't know what the word is that I'm looking for, but yeah, one is just like having people intelligence for the sake of having people intelligence. And the other one is for this like darker end goal, which why can't one just like seeing humans interact?
00:25:00
Speaker
What's the, what's the difference there? Yeah. Well, I think like, even like for you to say, like, to give it a sort of value in that, you know, you are engaging with like these relationships and, you know, there's a story to be seen there. Like a lot of people wouldn't even ascribe it with that. Like, right. Sure.
00:25:21
Speaker
um It would be trash. Like there is no value to it. Even like soap operas, telenovelas. I feel like that is what they are considered to an extent.
00:25:33
Speaker
Yeah. I wonder why.
00:25:36
Speaker
well um i think i think gender is a big part of it things that women like tend to be trashy yeah or less valuable yeah societally yeah who yeah i think ah i think also like in how they're marketed like I feel like it gives people a pass of like, oh, like say with like chick lit. I feel like we've talked about this before. Yeah, I feel like a little, yeah.
00:26:08
Speaker
You know, the covers all look very similar. Maybe they're pink or whatever. And it's like... Right. It makes them... You can write them off. Right.
00:26:18
Speaker
Just without even engaging with them. i mean, I think it also like genre... at a much higher level, like comedy is also treated a lot less with a lot less respect.
00:26:29
Speaker
That's yeah. That's a good point. Yeah, i think I mean, there's just a lot of value placed on um drama, but only like, it's also like, i think what's in fashion, like taste. Sure, yeah. Because right now, you could watch like a melodrama and if it's very like, dry and realist and stuff, it's probably very prestigious.
00:26:50
Speaker
And also the like, if it's presented, and it looks a certain way and it's very shiny. Right. um Then it's all like, all of these components make a ah good thing, quote unquote.
00:27:02
Speaker
right And then, like, a different kind of drama that's presented in a different way maybe is on cable television or broadcast television. And maybe there's more of it. Even Psych, I feel like, could be don't see pleasure material.
00:27:16
Speaker
Because it's funny and silly. Just on regular TV. Yeah. You know, there's 22 episodes. Right. Yeah, I guess, like, ultimately...
00:27:28
Speaker
It feels to me like it comes back to what we've been talking about of how, you know, we we love to just categorize things. It's like this is good or this is bad or this is trash or this is acclaimed or this is whatever. Right.
00:27:40
Speaker
Instead of saying there is some form of value in everything. Right. Just what is that value to you? Yeah. You could always like look take a closer look and just engage with what's there.
Media Taste and Cultural Critique
00:27:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:27:56
Speaker
And you know maybe it would actually be more fun if you did. Yeah. That makes me wonder then, like is maybe part of the reason we... we
00:28:09
Speaker
socially don't like certain things is because maybe it requires a little bit more of of an individual pull, like for you to find value in psych, right?
00:28:21
Speaker
If you're not someone like us who is just inherently going to read into everything and and intellectualize things and think about it, right? Is that going to be more of a pull for you to go, oh, this is actually really clever or, oh, I actually really like this because it's not so clear cut. Other people haven't told you already that this is value or this does have value. This is valuable.
00:28:45
Speaker
Or do we think it's just, yeah, like, pete I guess my question is, do we think it, do we think it has anything to do with that people don't want to do like the work? I guess if if that makes sense.
00:28:59
Speaker
I don't, I mean, I don't know that like to some extent if they're writing something off, they have already decided that the work is not worth doing.
00:29:13
Speaker
Yeah. Like I i think about, um yeah i think it was last time we were talking about Taylor Swift a little bit. I think like that, right? Like if on the surface, you just want to be like, this is just a catchy song. Like who cares?
00:29:26
Speaker
Yeah. You can write it off pretty quickly, but if you really want to, read into it and think about it and look at her body of work. I mean, every little thing that she does is like a freaking masterpiece. It's like ridiculous. You know what i mean?
00:29:39
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, one thing that I feel like, Something that I remember very clearly was with 1989. And this was before, like, when was a kid, I really loved her.
00:29:53
Speaker
hu Got too cool for her again. yeah Too cool. yeah um And then, like, returned to her. So I remember before I even, like, returned to being, like, a fan, um there was this thing. I don't know if it was around the time 1989 came out or late, like, a while later. But...
00:30:15
Speaker
ah he An indie male musician, Ryan Adams, I think, covered the entirety of 1989. Oh, wow. um And did it in such a way that it was like you know covered in the way that a ah deep thinking indie alternative male rocker would cover it.
00:30:35
Speaker
Of course. And there were these, I remember one review in particular is saying like that he discovered depths to her lyrics that even she doesn't know about. And I'm like, what are you talking about?
00:30:50
Speaker
Like, so I feel like that was like the most obvious example I had ever seen yeah um of this phenomenon where it's like something popular, something liked by not the ruling like uh group handled by somebody who is considered deep and smart and cool suddenly makes it valuable like which i mean it's i just i can't even it's just wild yeah um but yeah so that's a great example
00:31:33
Speaker
and it A lot of this was part of my concentration at school. I will also mention a book that I really love. and Maybe I mentioned it last time we discussed this, but um it's called Let's Talk About Love, a Journey to the End of Taste.
00:31:50
Speaker
I don't know if you did mention that. It sounds interesting. um It's super fascinating. it's by a music critic. named Carl Wilson and he is your typical like music critic like and he decided to interrogate his own like biases against like pop and various things. And so what he like undertook this project of ultimately writing a review of Celine Dion's album, Let's Talk About Love. um And he like went through this whole process of like, let's talk about schmaltz. Let's talk about...
00:32:36
Speaker
I can't remember all the things. yeah but Each chapter was named like that. yeah And he like, he spoke to fans. He like, just went on this whole endeavor, kind of like what we're talking about. Like, what if you took this thing that you think is dumb and trashy? And like, what if you actually like, engaged with it?
00:32:55
Speaker
Right. um And he like turned it into a book and like the last chapter is a review of it. um And it's really like a beautiful story. And he has this line.
00:33:09
Speaker
He wrote, I don't see the advantage in holding yourself above things down on the surface is where the action is. And that was like the conclusion that he drew. Like, cause he, like he was that guy. He wrote things off because they were popular, because they were trashy, because yeah they were like girly. um And so like, it's just really
Telenovelas and Cultural Impact
00:33:29
Speaker
cool to watch him like go down that path um so anyway recommend add that to the sci-6 curriculum yes yes um
00:33:40
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like this episode has been all tangent so far. It has. And that's okay. I'm sure I'll take a little bit of them out here and there everywhere. make it but it actually is like super relevant because yeah telenovela and subwapera as a genre is yeah considered this. So this is like, we can't even talk about them without talking about these things.
00:34:02
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah. And I think too,
00:34:08
Speaker
We have to we have to situate ourself in telenovela. we have to situate ourself in psych. And then we're going to have to situate ourself in the telenovela of psych because it's yeah also very particular.
00:34:19
Speaker
and We're going to delve into.
00:34:25
Speaker
the telenovela-y-ness of all of this. I mean, we could, like, to bring it back from where we just were to psych, I think in all the different people talking about why they know about this show, yes you can really see the, like, social capital of, like, I know it's not cool, but, like, you and Jules, like, when she rattles off, like, what she knows, she's like, that's the only episode I saw.
00:34:54
Speaker
Yeah. And there's something so funny about that, too, because like what.
00:35:00
Speaker
Like what determines that something's. cool. And that's kind of a crazy question to ask right now. But big question. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But I'm thinking, like, I could understand if this was a really niche, like random thing that no one ever heard about, that it would be, quote, unquote, weird or strange for you to have all this knowledge about it.
00:35:20
Speaker
But seemingly, it's a part of the culture. Like everyone seems to know about it, Sans Lassie, because he's Lassie. But everyone seems to know about it. So why not say Yeah. Well, it's kind of a great example of like popular media because everybody seems to know about it and everybody is ashamed to know about it.
00:35:41
Speaker
Like Ted, Ted, I don't know where that came from. Sean, Sean is hating on it. Yeah. You know, like he's like judging Gus so hard for knowing about this. Gus has to be like, it's on an every doctor's office. Right. Right.
00:36:01
Speaker
i mean, the only people who are like casually watching it, I think, are Henry in the end and maybe Vic. But I don't know if she's watching it because of the case, but she just has it on.
00:36:15
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. Well, it's the only time we see her like really watching TV, I feel like, in the whole series. So that's It could be because of the case. But you could also watch it at home. i mean, who knows? We don't really see her at home. She doesn't really.
00:36:27
Speaker
We don't see her like defend herself or anything. no yeah about it she just has it on right yeah everyone else oh and buzz i feel like buzz doesn't really have a reason he just yeah but it's buzz and yeah and that's an interesting character to be the one who like has no shame because he doesn't have any shame about anything he's like he is very much his own person in a way that like everybody else is kind of like
00:36:56
Speaker
I don't know, wants to look a certain way to everybody around them. And like it's not beholden to those, to that shame. Yeah. Buzz just does his own thing.
00:37:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:10
Speaker
All right. So back to the plot line of the episode. We jump present day into the boys driving around a TV studio in a golf cart, which I thought was just a fantastic jump.
00:37:24
Speaker
Because what better place for Sean than on a golf cart driving around wackadoodle studio? And he stole it, right? Stole They didn't want me to take it. They wouldn't have looked at keys in it.
00:37:38
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And that just felt so so real for Sean that he would steal a golf cart. um I also like this. Part of the reason why I like this episode so much, I think, is i like the idea. and i don't know if this is the case, but I can't imagine that it wouldn't be.
00:37:53
Speaker
I just like the idea that all of these behind the scenes shots are actually behind the scenes shots. If you know what I mean? Like they're driving around in the the TV studio and that's like actually the studio that they film in. Like I love the idea of that. Yeah.
00:38:08
Speaker
You know, to like kind of see behind the curtain. Yeah. I always feel like it's kind of fun. Like on there on location in their own backyard. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that feels ah feels very intimate somehow.
00:38:21
Speaker
ah But so someone's been murdered on the set of a Spanish soap opera, which I actually did not catch the name of. Regardless, it's a Spanish soap opera that shoots in Santa Barbara.
00:38:36
Speaker
And they are there to try and figure out what actually happened because we're not convinced that it's murder, but we also don't know if it's necessarily suicide or not. So, or not suicide, if it was um accidental or if it was intentional, that's rather what I mean.
00:38:56
Speaker
And yeah, like Kylie said, Gus knows everything about this show and he has to justify it by saying it's on an every doctor's office that he visits. You know, he couldn't escape it. And when they do end up getting there,
00:39:10
Speaker
We see it's a pretty pretty standard like soap opera set. It's a massive living room with like so much space. Yeah, a huge staircase in the background.
00:39:22
Speaker
um just lot the It's also the front door right there. So lots of stuff can happen. It's like you know the meeting room of everything in the house. And we find out that someone has been stabbed. And in fact, it happened while they were recording. So they have it on tape.
00:39:38
Speaker
that Jorge Gamalobo stabbed the other guy. So we're trying to figure out what happened. And um in all of this, we have some really wonderful quotes.
00:39:51
Speaker
One I wrote down ah was while they were still on the the golf cart. Dame Judi Dench called and she wants her breakfast back and Gus is like are you really gonna pull a someone called and they want her something back right now wrote that down too funny yeah i love like low fruit for Sean but still so funny yeah and the idea that Gus would call him on like yeah like you're funnier than this yeah what are you doing yeah yes and ah Gus wanting in on the case and Lassie telling them that like oh Jules just kind of jumped the gun yeah that was funny because when they're driving Sean says Lassie called and I'm like oh did he called that's so cute and then later Lassie's like go here and jump the gun so I wonder how that went down
00:40:37
Speaker
I wonder, yeah, I wonder if it, like, Jules said to Lassie, this is definitely suspicious. Call the boys. And then afterwards, he, like, saw more information was like, no.
00:40:48
Speaker
But we already called so they're on their way. Something like that? That's true. Because we have, maybe, like, while they were on their way or something. Because we have seen her be, like...
00:40:57
Speaker
the whole like ah everybody yeah like she's like our whole team includes them so yes um and i could see that yeah and then he says to jules after that um ah jules ah if you want me here all you have to say is sean i'm here i've got pudding pops that is so funny the way he like says it is just so Yeah, James Rode Rodriguez, he yeah he does such a great job of of delivering lines in a way that are, like, they're so interesting, I want to say.
00:41:35
Speaker
Like, I really don't feel like if you put any of the lines that James Rode Rodriguez has to say in front of somebody else that they would say it the same way. Oh my gosh. Yeah. You know, they're very unique. His delivery is very unique.
00:41:48
Speaker
Which is always fun. Yeah. And it really like makes sean feel like a real person. Yeah. Totally. Because it's like so much his own person. Absolutely.
00:41:59
Speaker
think I wrote down one more too. Yeah. Yeah. We have a case. A big stuffed chalupa of a case with guacamole. And then Gus slaps him. So ridiculous.
00:42:12
Speaker
I do think it's funny that Carlton like. thought this was open and shut like what is open and shut about it yes i agree and the fact that we're literally standing on a film set tv set if someone's been stabbed and he doesn't go huh they don't use fake props like yeah when i guess they think like oh well we have i mean my i took it as like they have horfe actually stabbing him on tape so right
00:42:45
Speaker
Easy conviction, but it's like, how? Right, yes, exactly. Of course it's a setup. Why would he? Yes, exactly. But I feel like Lassie is like, he just is pretending. It's genius. i' like i think i don't know.
00:43:02
Speaker
It's like an interesting thing where he at once thinks Jorge is stupid for doing that, but also like so smart that he would have like created this like cooked up this plan where he stabs him and makes it look like he was set up to stab him. It's too much. yeah Yeah, too convoluted.
00:43:23
Speaker
Yeah. so yeah I was questioning last year, Jules, throughout this episode. yeah no that That's fair. I think that's pretty fair. um
00:43:37
Speaker
Yeah, it does feel very much like there's clearly something wrong. and You watch like the little scene that they show us with like Jorge stabbing him and he like jumps back and he's like, like, it doesn't seem like he expected yeah that to happen. In what world would you like set it up so that you do it on camera?
00:44:02
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. I just. I agree. it It does feel kind of backwards. Yeah. So that, and as you're saying, sean seeing jorge's expression of like panic and fear once he has stabbed the victim is what makes them think there's more to it yes um and also he spotted a hair on the knife in the bag but i don't he hasn't said anything about that yet but we see him see it yes
00:44:35
Speaker
And then we get the theme song in Spanish. So good. and Sorry. I think I just, I think this was before. Oh yeah. When Gus slaps him. Sean's like, that's too hard. however How he says that is so funny. I feel like I i butchered it, but it's very funny. i mean you know I know exactly what you're talking about.
00:44:55
Speaker
again, it's just very like, ah brotherly best friendly yeah there was another part of this episode that i was just like you guys yeah you're legitimately best friends like whether it's on the show or in real life you are best friends cute yes um yes yeah so so fun so have that and yeah that's like our first again non-Christmas special title sequence yeah and it's just so fun especially I i can imagine the first time hearing this just being like ah
00:45:35
Speaker
How cute. Yeah. Now I expect, of course we expect it. There's some of my favorite parts of, of it. I remember in high school, my phone ringtone was the acapella version.
00:45:49
Speaker
oh the song So good. So good. Um, But yeah, again, even just like changing that, it makes the whole thing feel very like cozy, i suppose. Like if we're going to do this, we're going to do it all.
00:46:05
Speaker
Change the theme song to really buy in. Yeah. Yeah. And it kind of sets you up of like, it's not just that the plot is taking place in this world, but like this episode belongs to a different thing. Yeah. Yes. Different genre. Like yeah everything's going to be a little different. Yeah.
00:46:23
Speaker
Yeah. And I love that. I think that's great. Yeah. So we go to the the station and Sean and Gus are there trying to explain that Gamalobo didn't know that the knife was real, that he thought it was still the prop.
00:46:40
Speaker
And Sean mentions to Vic that there is also a a hair very long brown hair the the knife and Lassie and Jules are sitting there, you know, kind of like rolling their eyes like, oh my gosh, this is so ridiculous. It's like, well, did you check about the hair? And they were like, no, you know, we we didn't think it was anything. We thought maybe the person who collected the the knife, maybe it's their hair.
00:47:05
Speaker
and but One of my favorite things was Nick just goes, officer whoever is a bald detective. Oh, yeah.
00:47:15
Speaker
It's just like, well, they didn't, how did they not get that? and get that And then we panned him and his ahwe all of his boldness. Yeah. I mean, this is one of those. I feel like we've kind of seen this before where like Lassie, it seems like doesn't want to.
00:47:32
Speaker
Kind of like what we were just talking about with people with media. They don't want to get. He doesn't want to do the work. Yeah. Like just. Yeah. Take a step, Lassie. Yeah. It's like open and shut to him and he just doesn't want to see anything else. Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:46
Speaker
Yeah, interesting. He struggles with that. i mean, not really. I don't think he's like actively struggling with it in a conscious way, but we see him do that where he is like, he thinks he's got figured out already. right And so he's just like not gonna ask more questions.
00:48:05
Speaker
Yeah, it's all almost like horse blinders. Like he's refusing to see like anything else other than what he believes to be the case.
00:48:14
Speaker
Yeah, and really it creates an interesting little dynamic, I think, like for Jules sort of being a mentee, like kind of learning from him and not having – she kind of has to go along with him lot and probably is trying to learn from him.
00:48:35
Speaker
And then we have Sean and Gus who are like really making him push – open his mind. yeah. Which I do think is good for him, to be fair.
00:48:46
Speaker
think he needs it a little bit. Because he is a bit too too rigid at times. Yeah. So Vic is kind of like, okay, there was hair? Yeah. And it wasn't from the ball detective.
00:49:00
Speaker
Look into the hair. So Jules and Lassie have to look into the hair. And Sean and Gus are given one day, one singular day to solve the case, which off the bat is a bit ridiculous. but you know, she's putting in your psychic.
00:49:17
Speaker
Yeah. You know, that's fair. I feel like she often keeps him honest like that. She's like, she's not going to play these games. Yes. Well, that, I guess, begs the question of how how much of Sean's shtick do we think Vic knows?
00:49:35
Speaker
I mean, and i think she believes him. But I think to that point, she's like, as a psychic, you shouldn't need more time. Sort of like, you remember random but that one episode with Christine Bransky where hires them and she's like yeah now you will reveal the yes that's not for a while right not for a while no but it's just like that idea of like if you were psychic you could just tell me you should figure it out and like he plays a lot of games to cover why he doesn't figure things out in that manner but I do feel like Vic sometimes is like doesn't have a lot of patience for that
00:50:17
Speaker
Yes. You can't really afford backlight patients. Totally. Well, and I think too, if, if I think too, if there isn't, or if she's and unaware of there being a timeline to it, well, in her mind, it could take 15 days. It could take a month. Like why? I don't know if you haven't seen the proper thing and then you can't deduce. You know what I mean? Right.
00:50:40
Speaker
So I can understand her being like a day, solve it. Let's go. You know? Yeah. Chop, chop, figure it out. You know? Uh-huh. So in ah order to ah solve the case, which they only have one day to resolve, um they go back to the set and Sean is so excited for craft services privileges.
00:50:59
Speaker
They bring it up like 17 times. Oh my gosh. Well, I was thinking though that it is important that we keep thinking about craft services. Like I never really think about that, but like they seed her heard throughout the episode so much and it's well and know You know, that's and that's an interesting point because up until this watching, I never actually realized that we met her so early.
00:51:25
Speaker
Yeah. Because I was just like not paying attention. Yeah. don't know if always realized ah she was the craft services person. I think I just thought of her as like an assistant of some kind. Just someone there. She's just there. Yeah.
00:51:39
Speaker
but But yeah. It's very much... She's very present throughout. Yeah. Even just in reference, like they yeah talk about her all the time. She made me these wonderful meatballs. Oh, she made this sandwich. She like, they're really laying it on thick. Yeah. Apparently not thick enough because now you're first realized until this.
00:51:58
Speaker
yeah i In one ear, out the other. Yeah. Well, I guess that's, you know, part of that is just human psychology, right? Like if something isn't important, we're not going to pay attention to it. um And that's where Sean really shines. Everything is important to Sean. So he pays attention to all of it.
00:52:14
Speaker
Yeah. And it's fun to revisit these episodes and look like be very attentive. Yes. Because we do notice things that when we're just like mindlessly biwa binge watching. Yes.
00:52:25
Speaker
We wouldn't notice. Absolutely. So they go and they talk to the writer, Lance. and I got a shout out. Yeah. Donnie from Frasier.
00:52:36
Speaker
This is a Frasier. Oh, yes. Guest character. So yes. Love. And yeah, the, you know, it is interesting to think that even in its infancy, because we've, we've talked about this.
00:52:48
Speaker
Was it season one? Or, oh, I guess so. Yeah. um With Nigel St. Nigel. Even from its infancy, they've been having... oh that was season two episode.
00:53:00
Speaker
Oh, sorry. Very beginning of season two. Yeah. They've been having, you know... very well-known people character references if you will yeah coming on to the show it it becomes much more common in later seasons i feel like the last season it's like every episode we have fun guest star um but yeah it's nice to see that it's continuing even in this early this early age to have them so yeah it's so fun yeah Not that I don't know that he's really like a big get, but I was excited to see him.
00:53:36
Speaker
the The fact that it's a he's a reference to a Frasier character feels like very something. Everything's intentional inside. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. It's like we're all in on the same jokes.
00:53:47
Speaker
Exactly. And I love that. It just feels so much fun. So Gus is introduced as his partner, Lavender Gooms. One of my favorites. Me too. It's so silly. yeah Exactly. And I think that is, yeah, Gooms. Lavender Gooms. Yeah.
00:54:03
Speaker
It's just such a great part. And I love love the this writer character. He just... He feels so...
00:54:12
Speaker
writer-y if you know mean like like the best way just so yes funny and like ridiculous and aware of his real own ridiculousness yes oh my thing one of my favorite things he says they're like walking to the writer's room or something and he says and them I already have hereditary angina and shin splints it's like yeah good okay yeah and yeah throughout the episode he he talks so much about like the craft of writing, the process of writing, like getting kind of into that mental headspace, which I think is really fun.
00:54:44
Speaker
and again, i I love the idea of even at one point we go into the writer's room, like, could that be the writer's room for Psych? Like, could that be where they all sit? and Like, you know, right? Like, it just fear why not feels very cute. I'd like to imagine that it is in my world. It is. All right.
00:55:02
Speaker
But yeah, he he feels like someone who authentically would be writing this show. Yeah. Yeah. um I also love when he goes to, can I jump ahead? But when he goes to jail and he's like, this this is great for me. I was born in Beverly Hills. I knew that I needed.
00:55:23
Speaker
yeah He like needs to be toughened up a little bit. Yeah. i mean Yeah. He needs to be hardened. Yeah. So funny. So inspired. Yes. Yeah, exactly.
00:55:37
Speaker
Oh, and this this is also... So we've got two kind of plot lines going. We've got the telenovela plot line, and then we've got a Jules plot line.
00:55:49
Speaker
I gotta tell you, I don't know the last time I have watched the Pasquareti plot line. I have to fast forward through it. is... Yes. Secondhand embarrassment.
00:56:02
Speaker
Okay, but I do want to talk about it. Yeah. and And maybe we can just talk about it in one chunk to to prevent... Sure, yeah. This will be the Pasquareti section. Yes, welcome.
00:56:13
Speaker
You've made it. I, you know, maybe it's just a difference in... profession maybe it's just like vic says you know in order to be ah i wrote the whole thing down that she says to juliet at one point um but it's essentially like in order to be a female cop you need to be really like discerning and let me find it because i don't want to mess it up well i just see pistola de clavos so funny i mean
00:56:43
Speaker
Oh, as a woman in this department, you have to be very careful how you go about forming friends. Women in the line of police work are more cautious by nature and necessity and slow to trust. So maybe it is just like ah part of the job.
00:56:57
Speaker
but watching it every time, I'm like, what did Juliet do that was uncomfortable? Like, I mean, she was just trying to be nice. yeah I get the cupcake is like kind of weird.
00:57:11
Speaker
Yeah. Well... I mean, from the jump, Pasquareti wanted nothing to do with her. So I think she was kind of set up for failure. And then just like the idea of her... Watching her. Detecting yeah her. Yeah.
00:57:27
Speaker
Which Juliet can be really extra. We know that about her. And we have we see that in her. um and And she is naive.
00:57:42
Speaker
Like even to... I mean...
00:57:45
Speaker
I don't... Maybe you observe somebody and you like want to be their friend and you make these things, but you don't need to tell them that you stalked them. That's fair.
00:57:59
Speaker
Okay, that's a fair point. I mean, well but like guess she... She was also saying it like I think... when Jules was saying it, she was trying to be like, yeah, I'm a detective. Like i yeah she almost trying to like brag a little bit. Like, Oh, I noticed stuff, you know? Yeah. Oh, wow.
00:58:15
Speaker
Um, because how did you know my favorite flavor was rabbit? Like, you know what i mean? She, It seemed like she was almost trying to be like, yeah, like buddy, buddy. Like, yeah, I'm a detective. Like we're both police officers. Yeah, she's trying to connect, huh? Right. Yeah.
00:58:28
Speaker
But it definitely, I can see how to her it might come across kind of weird, but i I don't know. Again, I'm just kind of like, why wouldn't you say to her, this is a lot. I understand you want to be friends, but can we not?
00:58:40
Speaker
Pasquareti? Yes. Um...
00:58:46
Speaker
Or like, I don't want to or just straight up like, I appreciate it, but I don't really want to be your friend. I'm not here to make friends like something instead of just being like, OK, I'm going to now go report you for harassment.
00:58:59
Speaker
Yeah, she really went from one to ten. That's what feels like. It didn't take much. Right. But, you know, she is also a character in this world and has her own weirdness. So like.
00:59:13
Speaker
clearly she's a very extreme person yeah and it doesn't take much to put her over the edge i guess that's just who she is um yeah i don't know it's such a it is funny and i was just listening to our christmas yes one of our christmas episodes with um guess his dad may have killed an old guy and we talked about how like The first footer thing, like, Jules not telling Lassie, like, that he should bring something. Lassie not knowing he should bring something. Like, both of them being just kind of um awkward in their own ways. And, like, Jules being kind of, like, young and naive and maybe not even thinking about, like, how you host people, how you invite somebody over. Like, yes she is really young. She is, like, new
01:00:06
Speaker
to Santa Barbara, to this station. And like, I think she assumes Pasquareti wants to be, wants to connect with her just as badly as she wants to connect with Pasquareti.
01:00:18
Speaker
Pasquareti doesn't want to connect with anybody. Right. And so it's just like, not going to work. They're like coming at this like oil and water.
01:00:29
Speaker
Right. um But it is, Yeah, it is something to watch. It is. yeah and I definitely think when you're watching it, you feel more of the Pasquareti side than the Jules side.
01:00:45
Speaker
You know, like it feels uncomfortable. Yeah. And Jules definitely doesn't feel uncomfortable until she's talking with Vic.
01:00:56
Speaker
and Yeah, like that's true. You know? Yeah, well, I think like that first moment, which is like I know how to write my my name yeah that is jarring I feel like we feel Jules more there but it's more just and it's less about like trying to be friendly or like Pasquareti is just like just very intense immediately yeah yeah and like kind of mean yes and so like in that scene and then later when Jules goes all like stalker Jules single white female or whatever
01:01:32
Speaker
Not a reference I even understand, but one that's made in the show. and We might have to watch it for that episode. Okay, sure. was thinking about that. Yeah, then it's like, oh, Jules. Yeah. ah
01:01:45
Speaker
And I also wonder if to some extent maybe that is a reaction also from having seen it before and knowing that Pasquareti is going to report her for this. Right, yeah. Because, I mean, she sounds a little...
01:01:58
Speaker
much But like another person who is maybe more better at these interpersonal things might be like, a that's a lot. Like, you know, might be able to have like to joke with Jules.
01:02:11
Speaker
But Pasqueretti has zero interest in like any kind of friendliness with Right. Yeah. It's definitely uncomfortable. It's definitely very cringey. Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:22
Speaker
And then we have the scene with Bic. Yeah, and that's not much better. No. I was wondering if any of this, probably not the dialogue because it's pretty specific to this scenario, but just like the concept, if it might have been borrowed from the scene we lost in Scary Sherry,
01:02:44
Speaker
like Oh, where yeah. Where Vic has a moment, yeah allegedly, about being a woman in the first. That could be. um And they have set that up some way.
01:02:57
Speaker
Yeah, like giving us a moment like that because they are outnumbered. Totally. are like They are in a different position than any of the men.
01:03:10
Speaker
huh And so it gives us that moment, but in a less nice way than maybe it would have been in Scary Sherry. Yeah. I think it would have been, and don't want to say wholesome, but at the end of Scary Sherry, it would have felt a little bit more like, we're in this together.
01:03:26
Speaker
Yeah. and Yeah, true. But Vic in this version does kind of alienate her more but what with also kind of throwing her a bone yeah I do like that top thing yeah yeah nice blouse thanks I got it at Nordstrom I don't care O'Hara goodbye yeah it's like she kind of does and then she's like yeah she took it too far Jules poor jules i know can't get it right but she um my gosh she just wants to connect so badly yeah and she's trying to force it yeah which i don't maybe that's the yeah yeah problem it's not organic yeah yeah
01:04:19
Speaker
But it's like, I think that's a relatable feeling. like Yeah, yeah. A feeling like you have to force it because you don't have anybody.
01:04:31
Speaker
and even the person she thinks she has, it's like, we are not friends. Yeah. it's true I mean, even Lasseter, she had to scrounge around to find out that his favorite, that he was allergic to mint or something. with You know, a year into them being partners, they used to just sit in the car silent.
01:04:51
Speaker
Yeah. But what her and Lasseter do have is like deep and ride or die yeah and like really very intimate, but it does take time to yeah grow into that.
01:05:05
Speaker
Yes. But when she's as lonely and isolated as she is, she doesn't really feel she has the time. And like, I think she probably sees Pasquareti and is like, this person must be feeling the exact way that I am. Yeah.
01:05:19
Speaker
Because we're the only ones here. Right. But I do think that, you know, you mentioned before that she is kind of like naive. Naive. And she's very, she's young. She's still pretty green.
01:05:29
Speaker
I do think that is a realization of just getting older and growing up. that Yes, you have lived your entire life from your own perspective and you've lived your entire life feeling your particular feelings, but not everyone interprets the way, interprets life in the way that you do. Even if it feels very right to you, it might not feel very right to someone else or might not be somebody else's reality. So yeah, in this case, Jules wants connection, but that doesn't mean that Pasquareti wants connection.
01:06:02
Speaker
Yeah, that's an interesting way to like put it because they are similar. They're in similar situations, but Pasquareti's reaction to that is to draw the lines even further.
01:06:12
Speaker
And like she's not bringing anything personal to her professional life at all. Right. Kind of in reaction to being the odd one out as woman in the force. So it's like they both are having this experience, but their way of dealing with it is completely different.
01:06:29
Speaker
Yeah, and I'm sure that That reaction for Pasquareti feels very, very much like the right reaction. Like maybe that's what she has to do in order to make this work for her.
01:06:43
Speaker
But it's not what works for Jules. And Jules theoretically forcing yeah this relationship with Pasquareti is not going to work with her because of that.
01:06:55
Speaker
And that's okay. It's just the reality of the situation. Yeah. And I wonder, Pascaretti seems a bit older. Yes. Like, it's possible that Pascaretti has it completely full life outside of work. Jules doesn't have anybody. That's true. ah like So I feel like she is scrounging around for connection because she's got a lack every like on every side.
01:07:23
Speaker
yeah We all are kind of navigating that. Yeah. Especially, like, now i mean jules moved from and another place she doesn't really have any roots um but like these days you know we're coming out of like being isolated for three years like a lot of people work from home like there's a lot of lack of connection yes even more yeah you know we we live in such a connected world
01:07:55
Speaker
In the respect that you can access any information that you need or any person that you would like to talk to at any point in time. But there's something very different about like in-person, don't want physical connection, but you know what I mean? Like there's there's something very different about being physically with people h and being like online connected.
01:08:20
Speaker
With people. Yeah. if You know what I mean? So, yeah, like even when I mean, you, you know, you talk to people all day online. Yeah. yeah Your job, but it's it's very different than, you know, sitting down face to face with somebody. Mm hmm.
01:08:35
Speaker
so Yeah. And like when not given like the time that we're talking about, like it can be very surface level, like yeah nice top. Like that's an example of like right the sort of, um not that it's like a bad thing, but like that's, I feel like not the kind of depth that Jules is craving. Yes.
01:08:56
Speaker
So definitely. Definitely. um Which she will build with the people around her, but it's going to take time. Yeah. It's interesting, too, to think of, like, if we're looking at these three characters all being in similar situations, like Vic, too, and, like, her reaction to this environment is also to kind of keep people at arms laying.
01:09:16
Speaker
Yeah. but She's very... I feel like she's maybe kind of a one of the guys type of person. Like, she's very quippy, but she also, like,
01:09:32
Speaker
When it gets to a point where she needs to, like, pull rank, she will. And then she's not your friend. Right. So maybe, like, that's kind of how she's handling Jules.
01:09:43
Speaker
Also, in that scene, she is her right supervisor. Like, yeah she's her boss. So, like, it's like a HR situation. It's not, like, a friend situation.
01:09:56
Speaker
Like, it's even further removed. Well, and... Is she still interim at this point? Mm-hmm. Okay. So I feel like that's also kind of part of it.
01:10:07
Speaker
Like, this isn't solid for me yet. Yeah. we can't We can't be blurring this line. Because this line might not even exist. Right. In a couple months. Yeah. that's kind of And that's kind of what Vic is telling her, too. It's like, we all have to protect ourselves.
01:10:21
Speaker
Right. And has to protect the... Yeah, the role that she's in this time. Fascinating. Definitely.
01:10:33
Speaker
Yeah, and a very interesting thing to happen on the flip side of this very silly telenovela, jokey, Sean making all these funny faces episode.
01:10:50
Speaker
Yeah, and I wonder if we've you know, talked about this kind of a before, but like if it was one of those things where they were like, like Goochberg, like they had the Pasquareti storyline, like, okay, we'll put it here.
01:11:05
Speaker
She was Gooched. a um But I mean, we could make some connections between like the gender dynamics, relationships, and the complexity of all that, that all would fit in a way in a telenovela world and also just like the telenovela in culture how it's treated differently yeah So how do feel? Is that the Pasquareti?
01:11:39
Speaker
I think so. I think we can move on. I mean, yeah. From the internal pain. Yeah. um Even my note is like, oh, no, not Pasquareti.
01:11:51
Speaker
Oh, no, not Pasquareti. Can I name that? Can that be the name of this episode? Oh, no, not Pasquareti. Where were we?
01:12:06
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oh Oh, yes.
01:12:09
Speaker
With Jorge? Yes. Jorge? That's a little silly. Yeah. Sean is not the wokest guy. No.
01:12:20
Speaker
And they can only get away with all this because James Rene Rodriguez is half Mexican. Oh, you know, I didn't even think of that, but you're so right. Yeah. It would not.
01:12:32
Speaker
I don't think it would. hold up or play as well if we didn't know that yes i do i did also just think like that in particular him being like jorge i could see him as just like a middle school but boy being like your name has whore in it yeah i think that's definitely yeah what he was doing yeah like that is he is a child completely um so that's kind of funny and then i just i love some of jorge's lines in this scene, they like go back to his dressing room. They're talking to him about what happened and they tell Jorge that they believe him.
01:13:09
Speaker
He didn't actually do it. And he goes, this is music to my earlobes. I love that because that's like, I love that on many, many ways. First of all, I love the idea of instead of music to my ears, which is kind of like an idiom music to my earlobes. That's something I do all the time.
01:13:23
Speaker
I love that. You relate. I relate so hard, but then that's also like, I think I have spoken to you about this before, maybe not on the podcast, but My dad, I'm a first generation immigrant. My dad wasn't born here.
01:13:35
Speaker
um So I think part of the reason why we mess up idioms so much is because it's not like it doesn't come natural to him good being someone who spoke another language first. and So he like just kind of fumbles them. And then I've just heard them fumbled so much that it just like that's what it is. in my brain Wow, that makes so much sense. Yeah. So I love that.
01:13:56
Speaker
they also kind of get that in here in doing this, which so yeah I don't know if they did that intentionally or they just thought saying earlobes would be funny. I'm not sure, but if donation yeah it felt very um authentic to like not being a native English speaker um and having to deal with idioms. I really relate.
01:14:17
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Yeah.
01:14:21
Speaker
And then their whole interaction with his sister on the wall, I just like put it. Oh my gosh. Your brother. Yes, my sister. No, this one right here. Yes, this is my sister.
01:14:33
Speaker
and This one. like how Jorge is like. Yes. Not taking offense at all. He's earnest. Yeah. He's just like, my sister. Yes, my sister. Yeah. yeah And Gus just won't let it go either. He's not like, oh, okay, yeah, it's your sister. He's like, I don't believe you. Come on, guys. Wake up.
01:14:51
Speaker
I know. It's so ridiculous. um I also love... known this before after that, but and that Gus is like, do you know if Serena's baby is yours?
01:15:02
Speaker
oh my The entire episode, Gus just... like What he's really here for is to figure out who's the father of Serena's baby. And then we get a beautiful... Yes! I love that we see it through. Same.
01:15:16
Speaker
So good. And I love that we see Gus's reaction, too. That that was so great. He's like, what? Yeah, that the... Because I hear it in his voice.
01:15:28
Speaker
Yes. um And yeah, that's fun that he gets to have that moment. So while we're there staring at this this photo, Sean clocks a a tension crack, you know, some some shattering in the wall where...
01:15:45
Speaker
some form of violence must have happened. So Sean and he, he acts it out for Jorge, of course, have to put on the whole show. And Jorge says that it was the woman who plays Corrine, Corrine, Corrine, as um Sean would say, and don't remember her real name in the show.
01:16:09
Speaker
If you know what I mean? yeah the actor is yes it seems like everybody refers to her as corinne corinne yeah yeah so okay so i think it's okay if we refer to her as that yeah so jorge says that he she came in essentially tried to beat him up huh who's serena serena is the other one the one that they called into the station okay yeah And um apparently she this Corrine is very vengeful, very forceful.
01:16:45
Speaker
And we go out into the hallway to hear her yelling at our writer friend and like throwing things out the door at him. And she's literally like, ah!
01:16:56
Speaker
Yeah. Like shouting. Yeah, I love that moment. Something i never really noticed. I don't know if it's the same line, but we have a beat earlier where the writer,
01:17:09
Speaker
his first name lance i think lance okay because i also floyd rossi written down so i was gonna suggest that as a name yeah oh that would have been good really deep cut that one would have been um but lance is like like we're not gonna change the line don't listen anything they say they're actors and then like in this scene he's like i'm sorry like i will change the line yes i don't yeah it's like the same line that's very funny Yes.
01:17:38
Speaker
And I don't love that he comes out he comes out of that whole interaction going, I'm going to the writer's room where it is emotionally damaging but I'm physically safe. yeah
01:17:50
Speaker
This is when they get introduced to Karine and then like follow her for couple minutes. Also fun. oh my Gus trying to pull her hair. um my god Hysterical. Hysterical.
01:18:01
Speaker
Oh, oh! ahsterical ah um Kylie, my favorite line of the episode. Are you a psychic or some kind of witch? Yes!
01:18:12
Speaker
Yes! was like, both. It's both.
01:18:16
Speaker
It's both. Confirmed. Yes. She knows. She knows. She's very funny. Even for her to say it like that. Yeah. Because...
01:18:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's funny because what he's saying is something a psychic might say, but like the way she phrases it is it's like, no, it's something else. Yeah. and Yeah, totally. And she it feels like she's i yeah yeah yeah identified it as something else. And she calls him brujo, too, which is like a wizard.
01:18:47
Speaker
She's like, you're yeah, like you're magical. You're mystical. Yeah, she knows. Yeah, she totally gets it. Mm hmm. And I wonder like if a psychic to her would be like necessarily a charlatan.
01:19:02
Speaker
But she's like, no, you are something. Right, you're real. Something which is something real. yeah um Yeah, that was a great moment. I also like when she said she told everything to the other cop and they're like, who? And she's like, the tall scurvy like one with no rhythm.
01:19:27
Speaker
i that I feel like that sums up Lassie very well. So good. Very well. I love that that's it. no like It's not like they went dancing. like She just thought it was her observation.
01:19:41
Speaker
has no rhythm. Just the way he moves. yeah you know She can see it. Yeah, totally. Well, if she can see it that Sean's a witch, yeah why can't she see that Lassie has no rhythm? Ooh, maybe.
01:19:53
Speaker
I'm all for that. A little bit of Santeria in there. Could be. Could be. Okay, so then they... Sean gets annoyed with Gus. Maybe because he just wants... Oh, because he picked a yeah thread off of her instead of a hair.
01:20:08
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Sean's just like, we need to split up. like they have a spat.
Unconventional Investigation Methods
01:20:14
Speaker
I was like, have we actually ever seen them split up intentionally scene? I if that's a good question.
01:20:22
Speaker
Yeah. I don't think that we have. This weird. This feels strange. At a moment of like, we need to split up. Yeah. i mean, I guess part of it they're on a time crunch. Yeah. true and lassie and jules aren't helping them so it's not like they can send anyone else yeah but that's a good point because i don't especially coming from sean like sean is usually like i need to go get gus because i have to perform for right or i need to see it all yeah so gus can't go do his like we got to be together yeah that's true yeah but he's outsourcing
01:20:53
Speaker
Yeah. A little bit. So he sends Gus to the props trailer, which is a very cute little love field trip for Gus. And I love this props master.
01:21:05
Speaker
is just such a sweetie. Yeah. He's like, stab me. Come on. He's very excited about his props. As he should be. Yeah. And I thought it was so interesting that they try and get it as close to the real thing as possible. Makes sense.
01:21:19
Speaker
Yeah. He seems like a truly passionate. Yeah. Yeah. entertainment crafts person. Yes. Because he's like, not just for how it looks, but for the feel, for the actor. Like, he's like really saying like... Yeah.
01:21:32
Speaker
You know, he's very passionate about his work. Absolutely. it's very sweet. um And I love that Gus. Gus is literally like... hold You can't see me, but he's holding the knife.
01:21:44
Speaker
Yeah, but he comes out of the trailer. just love that he's like, can I take this? And the prop master's like, I guess. And Gus just leaves. Holding up a knife.
01:21:56
Speaker
but It's such a funny, like that shot. It's so quick too. It's like kind of a weird... shot. I don't know. Yes. Like, we don't really need it. Maybe they just thought it was funny, but yeah, because you see him step out of the trailer holding it up.
01:22:10
Speaker
Almost like he's holding like a pitchfork. Yeah, you know exactly. And he, and also like kind of awkwardly, like, very, it's he's holding something that Or like a torch or something. Like, yeah like it's gonna, there's something awkward about it. And then he just like hooks and then he just like runs off. Yeah. Out of the perimeter. It's an odd, odd little moment, but um yeah.
01:22:38
Speaker
So that was very fun. And then I think we kind of skipped Sean. Sean goes to set. Yeah. At the same time that Gus is doing this. Yeah. Sean's at set.
01:22:50
Speaker
And they're watching a new character be introduced as he flirts with someone. Serena. Yeah. And he's got a very dramatic eyebrow twitch, which the director...
01:23:10
Speaker
is saying is the way that he flirts which Sean puts a whole thing together for them about yeah how you don't seduce a woman with your forehead and your Adam's apple and the way he delivers it it's reminiscent of like the i don't know. I feel like we've heard speeches like this before or we will hear them again. Like the specific delivery. and Yeah.
01:23:36
Speaker
I mean, it's almost like the you treat a woman like a yeah in person again. Like, it's very funny. and Just like classic Sean. Yeah, very very. He's like, you know, turning up the charm while he's doing this. And we know he's very charming when he wants to be.
01:23:54
Speaker
Yeah, when he wants to be. And it's fun to kind of step out like this where he like to see him talk about how he does it. Yes. It's funny. Yes, totally.
01:24:05
Speaker
And through all of this conversing, they decide to hire Sean as this new character instead of eyebrow twitch guy. But I love how that's introduced to us.
01:24:17
Speaker
Oh, brilliant. which well and i will So with the order, yes we have that scene and then we go to the props scene. And then we see Gus running to go catch up with him maybe Maybe that's why that's there, to just show the passage of time a little bit.
01:24:31
Speaker
Yeah, that's fair. That makes sense. Yeah, and why Gus just randomly showed up with a knife. ah Yeah. so So Sean's standing, like, in the doorway on the set, and Gus runs up to him with the knife, saying, like, this is, you know, what it should have been. It should have been, you know, a fake, fake knife.
01:24:52
Speaker
And Sean was like, you know, would... Love it. I would love for us to get to work. And Gus is like, yeah, we really need to work on this. Like, here's some some new evidence. He's like, I'm ready. I feel it, but I can't. Gus is like, why? He goes, you're standing right in my eyeline, buddy.
01:25:07
Speaker
He steps out of the way and there's like the scene ready to caught. Oh, it's so good. And we find out that he's trapped. feel like you could just cheer. It's like, Shenanigans! Shenanigans! Sean is in the show.
01:25:18
Speaker
Shenanigans!
01:25:23
Speaker
Yes, and then this is when we get the the scene in the station with the woman who plays Serena. And she's talking about her answers like she's the actual character.
01:25:37
Speaker
Because they're like, have you seen Jorge Gamalobo be violent? And she's like, yes. He attacked my whatever. i love Lassie's like, that happened in this state?
01:25:51
Speaker
Lassie's very confused. He's taking this all very seriously. It's so good. perfect how we have all these different perspectives on this.
01:26:02
Speaker
Yes. Yeah, and jewel Jules... Oh, no, no. Buzz jumps in first. Yeah, he's the first one to make the connection. Because, again, he is a proud watcher.
01:26:13
Speaker
Shameless. Yes. um And then Jules gets excited and Lassie's like, are you talking about television or whatever he says? um let me go back yeah to see sean acting um my gosh and his hair is so fluffy he must be so proud of himself and his hair oh my gosh the first thing i noted eyeliner yeah very dramatic yes very got some stage makeup on and love it and what happens i have corinne's line that's what happens when you hire people off the street which is so funny
01:26:49
Speaker
I think he, he like is supposed to kiss her and he dips her and she falls. Oh yeah. He like goes, and when he's like, and hands are moving up and down her body. Yeah. Just like,
01:27:01
Speaker
Ridiculous. Reign it in, Sean. But we realize that he did that on purpose. even I didn't even notice that that's why he was doing that. Yeah, to grab a hair because Gus couldn't grab the hair. but yes So Sean grabs the hair off Corrine and brings it to Lassie.
01:27:20
Speaker
And tells Lassie that he needs to analyze it. And Lassie just pulls it right out of the bag, blows it into the distance. And we're all like, what? Lasseter? But Lassie reveals that the hair from the knife was a synthetic hair, which means it must have come from a wig.
01:27:34
Speaker
And Corrigan doesn't wear wigs, therefore didn't come from her. Or at least not that hair from her actual head, which I was like, why couldn't? kareen wear hair like a wig later anywhere anyone can wear wigs you know but that's besides the point i guess either way it's not going to be a match for her act for that particular yes for her head hair
01:28:00
Speaker
um and i love lassie realizing what has happened i mean like oh no no no it's so funny yeah oh No, no, no,
01:28:11
Speaker
Oh, and I loved, okay, one of the other things that I wrote down, because Lassie figures this out when one of the, maybe the PA, I'm not sure what his specific job is, but someone hands Sean a cup of coffee. And something that I really loved was that every time Sean interacted with someone on the set, he called them by their first name.
01:28:30
Speaker
That is so true. was like, This is a really fun episode for just like Sean in the world because we have that line from Jules later where she's like, how does he make friends so fast?
01:28:42
Speaker
And that is such a like essential thing to Sean. Yes. And how he works and like how he is successful. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, who he knows, the connections he makes, what, what. I just, my jaw just dropped because I was thinking,
01:28:58
Speaker
That in contrast to Jules. Jules saying that line, how does he make friends so fast? She is really asking. God.
01:29:09
Speaker
She's literally asking. She is really asking. ok so that's why we needed Pasquareti. Oh my God. I have never thought about it like that before. Because I always have thinking about it as ah just about Sean. Like yeah cute, adorable. Like Sean is so good at this. But yeah Jules is like, how am I so bad at this?
01:29:31
Speaker
Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, Jules. Wow. That really changes the game. Totally. Totally. Wow. I mean, I feel like silly right now.
01:29:44
Speaker
Sometimes, and I hate to say it, but I feel like with Jules, I feel like I, in some ways she reads as the most normal character in a way.
01:29:57
Speaker
And I feel like I have not spent the time to like think about her as much as I should have. And I feel like there's always so much silliness going on and shenanigans and like, Lassie's very extreme, like every, like, and Sean and Gus, obviously, that I feel like I don't give her, and I hate myself for it.
01:30:20
Speaker
That's very sexist, but I don't give her the, like, the mental, again, the engagement that I want, that I shouldn't. I'm glad we're doing this. I do think that in comparison, she is the most normal.
01:30:33
Speaker
In comparison, that doesn't mean that she doesn't have stuff to be dissected. her weirdness is subtle. It's very funny but very female of her, right? yeah Yes. Like, we're so good at masking everything. Yeah, I mean, because it it's like, it just drops in and you're like, what?
01:30:51
Speaker
Yes, completely. and But she is a weirdo, too. But you like, yeah. yeah how How else would she get along with Sean Guss and Lassie? True, true. Wow, I'm... That is like blowing my mind right now.
01:31:04
Speaker
How does he make friends so fast? Wow. Yeah, it was genuine. Okay, something I – before we move on from Jules, um I was just thinking Jules like kind of making a bunch of observations about Pasquareti and using that to get in with her is very Sean.
01:31:26
Speaker
Yes. And so again, for her to be like actually asking how does he do this? Like how does he manage this? Like she's also like – trying to do it the way he does it in a way like know if she's thinking of it like that like if she's actually being like how does he do it or right well that's so interesting because yes that is something that sean does but sean would never be like i noticed all of these things about true very true because he's very good at managing and what he knows me correct so he has that excuse too yes oh that' like he's a he can say
01:31:59
Speaker
I just saw it in a vision. i Yeah. They didn't stalk you. Yeah. howvision yeah I wonder, because I kind of doubt that she's thinking she's going to take a page from Sean's book or anything
Character Reflections and Social Skills
01:32:10
Speaker
like that. Also, because in her mind, he is psychic. She wouldn't even know that he is doing that.
01:32:15
Speaker
But it does kind of show them being sort of kindred. Yeah, totally. They are going about it the same way. But yeah, she's just not as... Successful. Practiced. Yeah. Yeah.
01:32:29
Speaker
Successful at it. So that's a fun connection. Yeah. For them. Well, and I love, I love the thought that at their core, they are really very similar. Yeah. We just present in different ways. Cause I feel like that, that is representative, I think of a lot of relationships. Like you have core principles that are very similar. Yeah, absolutely.
01:32:51
Speaker
Then we go to Henry watching him on TV. You know, this was so surprising to me because Henry's watching the show and he sees Sean and I feel like he wasn't even that surprised. Yeah. He's like, what the hell? What? Yeah.
01:33:10
Speaker
Which I feel like I could see Henry being like, Sean, you stole my favorite show. You know what I mean? You took it from me. But no, he's just like, of course.
01:33:23
Speaker
Yeah. I know. Yeah. I wonder if, I don't know, like he's sort of curious, like what could be going on? Yeah. Oh, that's a good point.
01:33:35
Speaker
He's like, oh, this must be for something. Yeah. cause And then is the next time we see him him going down there? Henry, yeah. So that's Maybe he's like, cool, I get to go to set.
01:33:50
Speaker
That would, yeah, definitely. Would never say it, but of course I guess I'm going to have to go see what's going on. yeah yeah I do love the idea of that.
01:34:02
Speaker
Him just being like, ooh, get to go to set now. yeah and My son's on the show, don't worry.
01:34:10
Speaker
And then, the hospital scene, which we were just talking about. A little bit, but I love this. I just love the game of Gus and Sean being everywhere they turn.
01:34:22
Speaker
like yeah He's on Henry's TV. he's in He's with the... Oh, well, we did skip or maybe they are introducing the idea now that supposedly Jorge tried to kill himself.
01:34:36
Speaker
yes and left note about how guilty he was for having killed having murdered so confessing to the crime having murdered his uh colleague yes and uh they are apparently close friends of jorge he they're like on his friends and family list of who can visit him and yeah because last he's trying to have the nurse kick them out and right he's like they're the only ones allowed to be here right and again can't remember if it was lassie or jules but one of them was like you've known him for a week
01:35:10
Speaker
getting laugh like emily isn five days yeah exactly all of his family is back in mexico neyqua yeah um yeah yeah ah Yeah, and it's feeling so dramatic.
01:35:24
Speaker
And Gus says this whole thing's starting to feel like a real soap opera to me. And then Sean, you know, makes a ah connection. And starts to make very dramatic soap opera responses to things.
01:35:39
Speaker
It's like, it was the hair. Oh my God. And then it zooms. Again, like this is truly borrowing the telenovela norms.
01:35:50
Speaker
Yes. Because we get the the music. I feel like, is there a zoom? Maybe there's not, but. No, there totally is a zoom. There is. Yeah. It's just like the delivery and like this build to it. Mm-hmm.
01:36:02
Speaker
And then is like, what?
01:36:07
Speaker
I don't understand. He gave it to you three times. and yeah It's brilliant the way it plays. I love at the end him going, you're not being clear, Sean. Yeah. He gave it to times.
01:36:22
Speaker
Sean's like, I can't do this. And just leans.
01:36:26
Speaker
It's so good. And then, yeah, we go right out of that. Maybe this is like, because I didn't note it before, but maybe this is when we fully embrace telenovela because then we get the little do-do-do-do coming into the next scene too with Lassie.
01:36:41
Speaker
Like that becomes the intro-outro. Yes, and Lassie is fully immersed in all things telenovela. oh yeah, because he's... oh yeah, because what they got from Serena is that...
01:36:58
Speaker
the writers have been thinking about creative ways to kill people. It's been a lot of time doing that. And so yeah Lassie wants to read everything they've ever written. And Jules comes in with the suicide note and starts reading it out when Lassie realizes he's heard this before.
01:37:16
Speaker
And it turns out it's the exact suicide note from an episode on the show. Weird. And they're like, it must be the head writer, which again, I'm like, why?
01:37:29
Speaker
Yeah, why? Anybody would have access that. Right, exactly. Literally anybody, anyone who's ever seen the show ever. Yeah, I feel like they are not at the top of their game in this episode. no You know, maybe some other stuff is happening in their personal lives. That's true. I'm privy to.
01:37:42
Speaker
And then... Henry shows up on set. Yes. Both places like Viva Las Vegas. Oh, wait. Sean invited him. oh is that what happened? Yeah, because...
01:37:56
Speaker
And he's like, why am I here? And Sean's like, I thought you'd like to see me. i finally have a real job. Sean's like, this is not a real job. Acting is not a real job, Sean.
01:38:07
Speaker
And how much attention do you need? but so Literally all of it. Oh, good. We know it's all of it. um and i just have a bunch of henry's lines written down but maybe this is where i got the five days ago or maybe they both say it but um sean mentions his fans yes he's like you have fans this is asinine you started on the show five days ago
01:38:35
Speaker
Yeah, I love that whole interaction with them in front of the fans. Oh, it's so... Henry's like, did you ever think this is embarrassing for me? First of all, your accent is embarrassing. You sound like the El Pollo Loco guy. And he was like, first of all, I was trying to sound like the El Pollo Loco guy.
01:38:54
Speaker
So good. So funny. and then And then to continue to reaffirm how embarrassing Sean is being, he did all of these terrible things and that's when Sean's like, yes, I'm Sean.
01:39:08
Speaker
Those are things that my character Chad did. Sean. Sean. Sean. yeah And then I love that Henry's response to this, I am not one of your fans.
01:39:18
Speaker
I barely even like you. Yeah. oh ah but this is when sean realizes that blurring the lines between the actor and the character is very easy even his own father can do it so they're looking in the wrong place who they should be looking at is the fans so then we go to jail because yes oh wait not quite jail fake out jail yeah Yeah, so we see Lance and Sean behind two sides of the, you know, a glass divider that you typically see in a police station when they're holding the phones to their ears and they're talking.
01:40:03
Speaker
And it feels very much like Lance is in jail because Lassie just huh accused him of being the person who killed Jorge, theoretically.
01:40:16
Speaker
But it's not. It's fake out. They're on the set. However, it's not a fake out for long because Lassie comes and arrests him. Yes. And then we go to actual jail. And that's when he starts talking about how this is what he needed. Yes. He needs inspiration. He's going to be like all these famous writers.
01:40:35
Speaker
Ethan Hawke. Judy Yeah. Judy Blume. This is contributions. The best. And this is the Santa Barbara Jail, not San Quentin. Some magazine called it a nice spa alternative, which is funny knowing it's the murder capital of the world.
01:40:52
Speaker
And then get the Corinne. Oh, Corinne? Yeah. and oh And that's when they tell him to write a plot Yes.
01:41:07
Speaker
Where and Sean crossed Corinne. Yes. And she has to hurt him or someone has to hurt him. Yes.
01:41:19
Speaker
So that the real culprit can interfere And we can, you know, find out who it is. And I loved, this was when I pointed out the the music, the very ominous, like, music goes playing in the background. He was pondering and he was like, okay, I'll get to work.
01:41:37
Speaker
And then we go to the set and we see that it's the actual scene in which Sean has crossed Corinne and... something
Comedic Climax and Soap Opera Style Ending
01:41:47
Speaker
is going to happen. The plan has been put into motion.
01:41:50
Speaker
And what they have decided is that Corinne is going to use a nail gun when she gets mad at Sean to shoot him with nails. Of course, it's supposed to be a prop.
01:42:02
Speaker
And what is supposed to happen is Gus is going to watch the prop table to see who interferes with the nail gun. But Gus got it twisted somehow and didn't realize that he was supposed to be watching the prop table.
01:42:13
Speaker
Gus just wanted to watch the show. He did. He just wanted to watch the show. So, and I love this whole, this whole back and forth too. supposed to watching the prop table. You never told me to watch the prop table. If you told me to watch the prop table, I'd be watching the prop table.
01:42:26
Speaker
I was like, I can't. oh It's too much. So Sean realizes that the nail gun is going to be a real nail gun. Yeah, and I don't know, did we say that Sean put together that whoever is doing this is trying to protect Corrine?
01:42:41
Speaker
Oh, no. We didn't state that yet. that is why he wants this to to happen. He is going to cross her and then somebody's going to try to kill him. Yes, exactly. So wherere it it's happening.
01:42:53
Speaker
And he gets out there. Of course, he has to bring... it is so fun. It feels like live like theater. It does. And we know we're on TV. That's a great way to put it. Yeah. Because, oh, yes. We also find that out.
01:43:04
Speaker
That because Lance is in jail, we've like fallen behind on scripts. So in order to keep up, they have to do this episode live. yeah So it's happening The stakes are just like really so high. high. Sean's about to die.
01:43:16
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. It's crazy. He brings out the nail gun, pistola de clavos, and she takes it. And they keep emphasizing that.
01:43:27
Speaker
Yes, the pistola de clavos. They all, like, pause and say it. And... I just, I love what ensues after he gives her the nail gun because he drops all pretenses and is just like, don't you hit me with that.
01:43:44
Speaker
like You're going to murder-o. Yeah. Even try to keep it His awful Spanish accent and like, muy querfugio. Querfugio, carefuo yeah thank And then we cut to Henry and he's like, high school Spanish coming back to bite him. Yep, totally.
01:44:06
Speaker
And then we have this bit of like the writers being like, because earlier year he was like kind of improvising and that kind of escalates. And the actor keeps saying, oh, I like it. yeah And we also missed, I think she she like skipped a bunch of pages. So it's all just very he like heightened. And then Sean is being ridiculous and the writers are like, I definitely didn't write that.
01:44:27
Speaker
But yeah, it's just all very fun. yes And I love the cue card guy. You just i see him like looking at it like, ah okay. like guess No one cares about my job. It's just, and they He eventually realizes, oh he sees in the middle of all of this, he, Corinne, you know, shoots some nails at him. He ducks. He doesn't get hit, but he looks into, you know, backstage and sees our craft services girl. I believe her name was Kelly.
01:45:01
Speaker
She has some little like tape marks on her forehead from presumably would have been what would have been the wig cap for the wig. And he realizes that she did it.
01:45:12
Speaker
However, they're still on a Spanish soap opera and this is live. So he turns to Corinne and he's like, okay, I'm going to tell you what happened, but translate it for me in Spanish. And he's doing this all in butchered like yeah accent for some reason. And it's like, at this point, you might as well just be yourself. Yeah, drop it.
01:45:29
Speaker
And he says the whole thing. yeah You ah translate for me? Yeah. And she listens to it and she just goes, she did it. So funny. It's like, really?
01:45:41
Speaker
I tell you all that? and yeah Where's the pageantry? yeah Come on. And Kelly gives it immediately away. She doesn't even try to hide it She pretty much admits to it immediately.
01:45:54
Speaker
Then she pretty much says that she's going to kill him. And he then drops axe in and goes, say what? And she comes after him. But thank goodness Lassie and Jules are there. And Lassie sweeps in, sweeps in, grabs her, puts her hands behind her back.
01:46:09
Speaker
And yay, Lassie saved the day until he decides to look at the camera and goes, hola, me llamo Inspector Carlton Lassiter. Me gusta queso.
01:46:21
Speaker
And Jules is like, really? That's all you can, really? Yeah. I love how she's just like, until they're off camera, like also awkwardly standing there. Like we know she speaks Spanish, but it's in character with like later when they make their little documentary and she just does not know how to be on camera. Yes.
01:46:37
Speaker
It really freaks her out being yeah recorded. Makes her feel very awkward. So our our end shot is the boys and Henry watching the telenovela.
01:46:50
Speaker
And in this case, Jorge, Karin, and Serena have thrown something down a well. We find out that, in fact, it is Chad's body. They have killed him.
01:47:02
Speaker
And they're all saying their goodbyes. They walk away, and then Chad swims up to the surface, and he's alive because the soap opera, of course. Yeah, and the most ridiculous face.
01:47:16
Speaker
Yeah. Like...
01:47:19
Speaker
I don't even know how to explain Like what's that? It's his like smolder face. Lip thing. Yeah. But like just. yeah With like the Elvis lip. Yeah. Willfully unattractive smolder.
01:47:30
Speaker
Yeah. And James Rodney Rodriguez is an attractive man. Yes. But this is like a ridiculous. It's very funny. Yeah. i love just the whole ending. Like all the stakes are so fun. I also love him and Corinne as like a duo.
01:47:45
Speaker
Yeah, they were they really played off each other. yeah Well. There's one part. I think it's around the time when she says like, she did it. And then. why are we on blossom because again where's the passion where's the which blossom has been a running i was gonna say it runs throughout the episode awesome yeah because the head writer used to work on blossom and found that telenovela was a better reflection the human condition um of course i can't remember which honestly fair yeah there you go i can't remember what else current said but i just have this line from sean
01:48:20
Speaker
Where he's just like, you should have a degree in being wrong all the time. do have that. I do have that too. It's a very funny dynamic between them. I would love to see more.
01:48:32
Speaker
Agreed. I wish he came back. That would be really fun. Fun cameo. Yeah. Yeah. ofvalla I mean, people seeing people at their worst, their most extreme. thats That is the human condition.
01:48:46
Speaker
oh like definitely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, wow. We really, we went around ah go say yamut on this. we covered a lot of ground. Definitely our longest year.
01:49:00
Speaker
Which we do. We did watch two things. It's kind of like when me did a black Christmas and i think we recorded that all at once and it was like, Oh, that. Yeah. giant Yes. That was, that was wild doing that one.
01:49:13
Speaker
Yeah, so, you know, but hopefully you stuck around. So our next is Dis- Lodged. Dis- Lodged. Oh, is this the, like, the Masonic Lodge spoof? Yes. this is, this one's fun.
01:49:30
Speaker
It is fun, and I think our first real foray into some Lassie lore. Lassie lore, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and a lot of Lassie lore, actually. Yeah, a very revealing yes character.
01:49:44
Speaker
Lots of personal information we're going to get about Lassie, which other than knowing him and his wife are like estranged, we don't really know anything else. Yeah.
01:49:57
Speaker
So this will be a good Lassie episode. Yeah, I think I feel ready for that. Like, I feel like where we are in the season, it's like, I need Lassie to like, win me over a little bit.
01:50:09
Speaker
Yes, then I would agree. Gruff lately. Yeah, and a little in the background. Yeah. Like we, he really hasn't been the center of anything in what feels like a while.
01:50:22
Speaker
Yeah, it's going to be fun. And, you know, maybe we can talk a little bit about Masonic history or Brotherhood history, you know. o Should we watch something for this? Oh, we certainly could.
01:50:34
Speaker
Secret Society something. Oh, let's do that. That sounds like fun. I feel like that's your alley. Totally. You decide. you decide Okay.
01:50:46
Speaker
Yes. I'll pick something for us to watch beforehand. And um we'll post it somewhere so you can watch it along with us if you'd like yeah to help you prepare some homework for you for next FASY6.
01:50:57
Speaker
But we'll be back here next week, next Tuesday for more FASY6 101. Sorry, I just remembered we haven't done the body count in ages, which we may not have it. I don't know if I've been counting. So for next time, we'll come back with an accurate body count.
01:51:14
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01:51:34
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