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The Haunting of Hill House Episode 1: Steven Sees a Ghost
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Buckle up and settle in for episode one of our rewatch of The Haunting of Hill House! Or is it House on the Hill? Either way we're extra excited to talk about this phenomenal series! Let's Go!
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Introduction and Excitement for The Haunting of Hill House
00:00:02
Speaker
It's time for House on the Hill. What? It's haunted. Do you mean the haunting of a hill house? Exactly. Let's go.
00:00:55
Speaker
Hello, everyone. Welcome back to fans of... I'm... This is how you don't let me do things. Dude! Take two. Go. I'm not editing that at all.
00:01:15
Speaker
Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Fans of Flan again. I am Noah. I'm Laura. And I'm going to try my best to not screw up the other side. No promises. I'm taking the lead this time around as we dive deep into Haunting of Hill House. So excited.
00:01:36
Speaker
Yeah, very, very excited. This is the first show that got me into him. I hadn't seen any of his stuff before I saw the show. I still yet to have to see his movies like Hush or Dr.
Exploration of Mike Flanagan's Works and Midnight Mass
00:01:51
Speaker
Sleep, I believe.
00:01:52
Speaker
I think we'll have to do like an interim episode in between seasons on the movies. Cause there's another one that I haven't seen called before you wake about the little boy before I wake before you wake. I could be wrong on that title, but anyway.
00:02:08
Speaker
Um, but I'm excited because this just means we're getting closer and closer to midnight mass, which midnight mass is the show for me. I know. Um, I really enjoyed this show. It took me two tries to get into it though. To begin with. Um, I watched. So is this your third rewatch? That's my fourth rewatch.
00:02:32
Speaker
This is going to be your fourth. Gotcha. Yeah, because I showed it to Jacqueline after I had seen it the first time. And then I think I watched it one other time. And so this is my fourth time going through it. But I originally tried to watch this show a while ago and watch the first episode and just kind of just stopped watching it for whatever reason. I honestly can't remember why.
00:02:54
Speaker
But I love this show. I love the spookiness of it. The scares. It's definitely more scary, in my opinion, than the Midnight Club. But I I'm a big fan of it. And I know this is you're probably not as high on it as I am. But you still you still really enjoy it.
00:03:17
Speaker
I still enjoyed the show. I did like it. I like the creepiness of it without it being too much. I
Horror Elements in The Haunting of Hill House
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Speaker
have some discrepancies at the end of the series that we'll talk about, which is why it's lower on the list for me than like a haunting of Bly Manor.
00:03:40
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because both of those are kind of equal in everything except for my one pet peeve towards the end. But I like that it doesn't throw the elements of a horror just to throw it in. You don't really have any
00:04:03
Speaker
out of place elements that are scared. You know what I mean? There's nothing really unnecessary in it. Everything contributes to the plot. Everything adds up to make sense, to tell the story.
00:04:20
Speaker
Yes. And that's that's what I love about this show and about Flanagan as well. And I think I think I'm going to wait to see the fall of House of Usher so we can have you who's seen it and then going through the show with someone who hasn't seen it. I don't know how you have the self control to not I already. I don't know if I do. I really want to watch it so bad.
00:04:46
Speaker
I think you should. I'm not gonna... I mean, I like your... You know what? I'll tell you what. When you watch it, either when you wait for us to be recording about it, our discussion, or you decide to watch it beforehand,
00:05:01
Speaker
It's fine. There's no rules, but what I would like you to do if you want, don't have to. I
Upcoming Plans for The Fall of the House of Usher
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want you to live text me all of your reactions so that when we do record it, we can talk about your initial live reactions as you watch Fall of House of Usher.
00:05:24
Speaker
I'll be like, I'm about to watch it. If you're doing something, mute me. I'm not even going to tell you any of my opinions about it, high or low. I'm not going to say anything. I want you to go in cold. Don't don't watch any more previews. Don't read. I haven't seen absolutely anything. I haven't seen a single frame from from the show. And that's me. I did watch. I did watch a preview before I watched it.
00:05:52
Speaker
I'm not, I was going to say something. I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to give you any ounce of my opinion about it. Nothing. You're going to go in super cold. The only things I've heard have just been very general opinions. Um, that it's very good. Um, you're not getting anything from negative comments. So yeah. My uncle Josh, he, he was like, I'm surprised you haven't seen it yet either. I was like,
00:06:14
Speaker
yeah i've been dying but yeah i was shocked when you said you're not gonna watch it i'm like i don't know but again like if you decide to watch it before because it's gonna be like a minute before we get to it so i don't want you to be tortured
00:06:31
Speaker
It'll still be there, hopefully, if Netflix doesn't remove it. It'll still be there. Yeah, but it leads into what we've been watching, and I've been dying to show Jacqueline Rebels, but she, not Rebels, Ahsoka, the new Star Wars TV show.
00:06:50
Speaker
She hasn't seen Rebels at all, and she didn't see Clone Wars. And so I was showing her all those shows before Ahsoka because so much of it ties into Ahsoka. Your wife is a saint. Yeah, she really is. I don't know why she puts up with me showing her all this stuff. She loves you very much. Probably. She's like, you're such a big nerd. Yeah, well, you married me. You know who I was before.
00:07:26
Speaker
I don't dislike Star Wars and everything that goes with it. I don't dislike it. It just doesn't speak to me. It just doesn't. It's not for everybody. It's fine. Like I don't dislike it. I enjoy it when I watch it, but I know I've watched the original trilogy at least three times. Can I tell you anything about it except for a few random vague memories? No.
00:07:52
Speaker
I've watched it as a child, as a teenager and as an adult. And I couldn't tell you what the plot was. Yeah. Or anything very significant other than like just the random moments. Have you seen the prequels at all? Oh yeah. I saw them in theater. Okay.
Star Wars Discussion and Actor Commentary
00:08:12
Speaker
As they came out. Yeah. I feel like you would have just been really funny to, to watch watching Anakin.
00:08:22
Speaker
or Hayden Christensen, especially in two and three. Wasn't bad. Made it tolerable. He makes an appearance in Ahsoka, by the way. He makes an appearance in Ahsoka. I wasn't, oh, poor guy. He's a phenomenal actor. And that was like the world's introduction to him as an actor.
00:08:49
Speaker
So I understand that a lot of it is the directing. And so I'm not faulting him for the performance, but it didn't really speak to his talent at all. And Natalie Portman is a master. She is a master at her craft. She is amazing. The depth to which she brings to other roles is astounding and then
00:09:20
Speaker
watching her at the prequel trilogy. Just made me a little sad. It's a good time. They're fun movies. They're fun movies. They're fun. But the Star Wars fan base has just come to really accept and love Hayden Christensen because he got a lot of hate in the beginning. Exactly. Exactly. Like he's so loved and welcome. Oh, if you watch him at anything else, amazing.
00:09:51
Speaker
Amazing, yeah. But besides Ahsoka, we also went to see, I don't know, have we talked about Haunting in Venice? No. Did I say what? Okay. I haven't watched it. We went to go see Haunting in Venice, the new Agatha Christie-based movie. I'm not even going to try to pronounce the detective's name because I butcher it every time.
00:10:15
Speaker
But I loved it. I really enjoyed it. If you haven't seen it yet, I think you would like it too. I mean, it was very obvious to me who did it in the beginning, but it didn't take away from the enjoyment at all. Yeah. So isn't it fun being the person that figures things out? It is because it usually doesn't happen to me. Who is it?
00:10:42
Speaker
It happens to me a little too much. Like murder on the Orient Express. Like the second, I don't have you seen that one? Yeah. The second they said that all the wounds looked like they were all different. I was like, Oh, they did it together. And then at the end, I chose them all doing it together. I'm like, Oh, sorry.
00:11:06
Speaker
The camera is just so fun in this movie. He really is his line delivery and the humor in comedy is just great. So awesome. What have you. You know, the second you ask me that I know I was supposed to be totally fell out of my head. There's a new season of upload on Amazon Prime. That's a fun show.
00:11:30
Speaker
Nothing too exciting about it, but it's just kind of a fun show that I've watched since it came out. Hulu did a new Goosebumps series. Have you seen it? I haven't. I know it's on Disney Plus as well. It's one of the things I want to watch.
00:11:48
Speaker
It is really fun because they take the books that are usually told in an anthology style, right? New characters, new actors for each episode. You know, remember the old 90s, the old 90s show and they turned it into a saga.
00:12:09
Speaker
So each episode is still one book, but it has the same characters throughout the series. Oh, that's so cool. And they tie it all together. I think, I don't know if there's one or two episodes left that are going to be coming up, but that one was enjoyable. I liked that. I liked that new take on it.
00:12:33
Speaker
I read those when I was in middle school, elementary school, and I enjoyed the books. I think I only saw a couple episodes of the actual series, the TV series. Ryan Gosling was in one, so I've watched that one.
00:12:46
Speaker
Yeah, he did the Say Cheese and Die episode. It was really funny. I love seeing him as a young actor because that's when I first saw him in the 90s and that's where my crush began was when he's just like this skinny little blonde kid. But I was, we're the same age so it's not weird.
00:13:06
Speaker
I don't still crush on teenage Ryan Gosling, but everybody else's awakening came later with like the notebook and then Crazy Stupid Love, I think it's called with. Yeah. Steve Crow. Yeah. So everybody else kind of fell in love with him with those movies where I'd already been pining for him since like 96, 97 when he was in some shows back then.
Recent Watch Recommendations and Viewing Habits
00:13:33
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So.
00:13:35
Speaker
Well, have you seen the Halloween collection that Hulu has right now? It's got like, no, I can't, I can't, I can't do, I can't, I can't do horror just for horror. I can't, I can't do slashers. I can't do gore. I know like there's an original on there that I've had very good things about and I've watched like the first 30 minutes of it's called no one will save you.
00:14:01
Speaker
Oh, is that the one where she's alone in her house? Yes. And there's like an alien. Yeah, that's not a spoiler. I don't think the other is an alien. The little bit that I've seen already. Oh, OK. I might put that on my list. Great already. But anyway, what else have I been watching? Because I swear I've been catching up on things. Was there one on Peacock?
00:14:31
Speaker
I will give like a random, oh Wolf like me on Peacock dropped a second season. Um, that's an interesting show. Um, but I will give like a random recommendation. Oh, I'll take a random recommendation on Netflix. There is a series called the OA.
00:15:00
Speaker
Have you seen it? It's not. It's not. It's on my list though. The countless things that I have to watch. It stopped after season two. It got canceled, which enraged everybody. So just know that going in. Maybe I shouldn't watch it. No, you should. You should. I've even watched it like a third and a fourth time. Um,
00:15:25
Speaker
So if you know that going in, it's still worth watching because it's so weird, but it's so charming and deep and impactful. I will always recommend that one. It's a mature content. So be forewarned. But I've really, really disappointed that they didn't continue it because the whole story was already planned for like four or five seasons and they cut it off at season two.
00:15:53
Speaker
which I don't know why it's fantastic. Let me see if there's anything else that I wanted to recommend or anything else I'm watching. There was something I just finished, but
00:16:11
Speaker
Oh, I tried watching bodies. I didn't get through the first episode. That's a new one on Netflix. I don't know if it's good or not. There's like a dead body that's found at different, it's like the same, killed the same way, left in the same position, same person, but over like a year, like the 1700s or 1800s and then in the 1900s and then in the 2000s. So it's intriguing.
00:16:39
Speaker
Exactly. Interesting. But I kind of lost steam when I had to I got interrupted watching the first episode and then I just have a contract to it. I might and give you a report, but hasn't happened yet. So. Oh, there's a Brazilian show called Invisible City. That one was really good.
00:17:06
Speaker
I'm just jealous about all the things that you've watched. I wish I didn't have. I don't have like tons of time on my head to focus on.
Reflections on Maturity and Adulthood
00:17:16
Speaker
I know I'm just saying. Who's fault is that? I mean, honestly, I'm just kidding. It's your fault. I don't like have lots of extra time. I just have.
00:17:26
Speaker
you know, like an hour after everybody else is in bed that I take for myself to just have my own time, my own thing on the big TV. And then otherwise, I'm just listening to something on my phone as background noise throughout the day. So.
00:17:43
Speaker
Anyway, don't make me sound like I just sit and watch TV all day. I didn't mean to. I could be watching more things, but the free time that I do have, I usually spend playing video games and I really don't want to. It's just, it's got me in its grip where my advice is. Yeah. Yeah. No, I understand.
00:18:06
Speaker
But anyway, I think we're ready to get into this first episode. Yeah, let's go. Um, and being an idiot, I didn't even, I didn't even look at the, with the title of the first episode of weddings, but it is Stephen. Stephen sees a ghost or Stephen sees a ghost. Yeah. Thankfully I have the cast pulled up because I'm don't, I'm not going to memorize every single one of the cast names. So I had it pulled up and that just went over to the episode guide. It's Stephen. Yeah.
00:18:36
Speaker
Um, and this premiered about five years ago, October 12th, 2018. It has been five years. That's wild. This show just still looks so good. I know. I know five years. It was only five years ago. Yeah. I'm just saying.
00:18:57
Speaker
It looks so, it looks so good. I was just admiring its beauty, like the shots and the way everything's framed, especially in this first episode. Five years ago, they didn't do that.
00:19:12
Speaker
I don't know where I was going with that. I have ideas in my head and when I, when they come out, it doesn't match up. Okay. But how old were you five years ago? Um, 19. I was 19. So there's a big, you know, there's a lot of different growth that happens between 19 and like 24, whereas like you get up into your thirties and forties, five years is like blink.
00:19:34
Speaker
Yeah, gone. Yeah. Is there is there a moment in your life when you started like growing up and maturing that you feel like your brain just turned on? Because I think it was somewhere between the age of 21 and 22 when my brain went flip. I don't know if there's like an age, but there's moments that I get through that I'm like, I handled that. I'm good.
00:20:02
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like big moments that you can't really handle when you're younger, but then you do it as an adult and you're like, okay, I am capable, I am.
00:20:14
Speaker
you know, responsible, I am grown up. Um, sometimes it's like, for me, okay, this is like a silly example, nothing serious, but like not buying a house. I think we bought a shop back and I was like, Ooh, we're like grown up. When that kind of thing excites you too. Oh yeah. When that, when that's an exciting thing and then getting like a freezer in the garage, I was like, wow.
00:20:42
Speaker
That's a very grown up thing to do, too. Those are just silly examples, but there's other things where you're in charge of other human lives when you have children. Also, sometimes you'll feel like you're in your 20s for a very long time. And then when you're in your 30s, you still feel like, oh, I feel like the same I did in my 20s till you hang out with...
00:21:06
Speaker
folks in their early 20s, then you're like, nevermind, I am not that person anymore. You're welcome. No, but you are actually still in your mid-20s, right? We're the same age. I'm going to move on because I'm digging a grave for myself.
00:21:32
Speaker
No, because I don't know. I feel like I've earned my age. Also, I'm not ashamed of it. I don't want to hide my age. I also think that the year I graduated was like kind of a cool years a year 2000. You know what I mean? Like that was kind of a cool year to have as your graduating year.
00:21:51
Speaker
you get to this point where you just don't care about a lot of things that you used to care about either. And I like to own that too. Because you're freer. You're free of a lot of things when you don't care about opinions, when you don't care about how you're perceived. I just don't care. It is what it is. And I like it. It is very freeing.
00:22:10
Speaker
It's very freeing. There was another thing I was going to say, but it fell out of my head. Well, it kind of reminds me of Nainiv from the Wheel of Time, where she wants to be older, but she wants to be older, so she's just respected and sought after because of her knowledge and wisdom. Because she's
Insights on Aging and Wisdom
00:22:29
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like... Yeah. Well, she was constantly spoken down to. She was spoken down to even though she had a position of authority, she wasn't respected in that. So, yeah.
00:22:40
Speaker
No, but I'm enjoying getting older too, just because I have experience. I understand the world more every day in other people. And the more I understand, the more I realize that I don't know a lot of stuff. There it is. And that also can be freeing. When you start understanding, there's if you don't, you know, there's a point where we all feel like we know everything because we don't know what we don't know. Yeah.
00:23:08
Speaker
And then you get older and you feel very small. It's like, wow, there's a lot that I don't know. But then also owning that, I don't feel hesitant to ask questions.
00:23:21
Speaker
You know, if I don't know something, I'm gonna ask you, like explain it to me like I'm five, please, because I don't understand this. Like, but before, like, you know, 15 years ago, I never, I would have just been like, I'll figure it out myself. Now I'm just like, no, please tell me.
First Impressions of The Haunting of Hill House
00:23:35
Speaker
And I just started another retail job and I work in clothes now and I don't, I've never worked in clothes. So I'm like, what does this mean? How do I do this? What is this? And my manager on duty is like a college student.
00:23:51
Speaker
But I don't care. I'm like, I guess I could have been old enough to be your mom, but I don't care. You know this. I don't. I'm going to ask you. I don't have a lot of pride holding me back from asking for help from somebody who's just a baby.
00:24:09
Speaker
Yeah. Anyway, OK. Episode one, Steve sees a ghost. Steve sees a ghost. This one is directed by Mike Flanagan. I don't know if it changes throughout the season, but this first one is directed by him. I know he writes pretty much all of them, but we get some opening narration by Stephen about Hill House from his book.
00:24:35
Speaker
I did not catch that. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it, it does a good job of introducing the show and, and the house to the audience, but I think it's also kind of fun because it's just even narrating his book and what he writes. Um, and we,
00:24:57
Speaker
We see the kids, the kids as their children, just awoken by Nellie's crying. And she's, she sees, she says she sees the bent neck lady.
00:25:10
Speaker
And Steve Steven checks on her key comes in the room and sees how she's doing and then the dad comes in and I Love the little quote. He says like dreams can spell Over into the real world and he's trying to use it to kind of console her and everything but It makes what she sees later kind of interesting to think about After that
00:25:39
Speaker
Umm...
00:25:45
Speaker
Wow. I thought I did a good job of writing down what happened. See what I mean? Yes. I get it. I understand. I wrote pages. Your notes make sense in the moment when you're writing them and then reading them. You're like, what the heck was I trying to say? No, while you get your thoughts gathered, I am obsessed with little Nell and little Luke. They are just the cutest little. Oh, they're so adorable.
00:26:14
Speaker
And little Luke, like with his glasses and they always kind of hang down low on his nose because they're big. And so he's always looking up is just, Oh, I want to squish him. He's so cute. And then my son that's eight now kind of has like the same issue with his glasses. We've gotten them adjusted, but they always tend to slip down. And so he looks at the world with his, you know, with his, with his head up. And like, it just reminded me of my cute little son. And like the kid who plays little Luke is just a doll and little Nell. Look, how cute is she?
00:26:44
Speaker
And also her performance of being scared, like hats off to the direction for her because she just does such a good job. She really does like the wide, wideness of her eyes, the, the shallow breathing and everything.
00:27:03
Speaker
I just don't have any complaints when it comes to any of the actresses or actors or anything like that. Yeah. Later on when she's on the couch and she starts to get really scared, even just the changing in her breathing pattern is just a small detail that just makes it all feel real.
00:27:22
Speaker
Yeah. Um, we get a little bit more spookiness when the dad, um, Hugh, I believe that is the dad's name, um, played by Henry Thomas. He comes out of the room after talking to Nellie and he goes and he sees, I think it's a Shirley sleep talking in her bed. And she's like, um, well, when she says like dancing in the red room or something like that,
00:27:51
Speaker
Yeah. And then she says the pandas aren't dreaming. They don't like macaroni. They don't like macaroni. I just thought that was a lot of fun.
00:28:07
Speaker
And then that little moment when he climbs back into bed with his wife, and she's like, was she sleep talking again? And he's like, yeah, the pandas don't eat macaroni, didn't you know? That was a cute moment. Yeah, we get a zoom in on the house, on that hallway.
00:28:26
Speaker
And it just stays there for a while. And I didn't count it as a jump scare, but it almost one when he gets back in into it because it just feels so abrupt and subtle. And that's just I vote no on jump scare for that one. Yeah. So I think I have two actually jump scares for me too. Yeah. But he gets in his in the bed with his wife and.
00:28:52
Speaker
Her name is Olivia Crane, the wife, but the actress's name is Carla Gugino. I think that's her last name. I absolutely adore her. She just gives off very palpable mom energy. And she just feels very comforting. She has a very comforting presence.
00:29:14
Speaker
Okay. Sorry to pause. Um, I don't, but go ahead and keep going through. I have to see why my son's school is calling me. Sorry. So hopefully I'll just be a couple of minutes, but I'll be back on. You just keep going.
00:29:29
Speaker
Will do. Um, she has been in spy kids, which probably helps because she was the mom in spy kids. Um, she's been a lot of Mike Flanagan stuff like Gerald's game, which I have only seen a couple minutes of. I haven't really seen a whole lot of it. Um, she's in the new series now at the museum. I just, I love her. She goes off very palpable mom energy. Um,
00:30:02
Speaker
But then now young now wakes up again because she, I think she hears something or, or something. She tries to get Luke to wake up and Luke is fast asleep. So she just decides to go and fall asleep and, um,
00:30:17
Speaker
I think I count this as a jump scare because it's very creepy because the camera kind of slowly zooms in on her. And in the background, you just see this face just shift and move. And it's very, very scary. And it's one of the things I think Flanagan does best where he puts things in the background so they're not a jump scare. But
00:30:46
Speaker
they are scary so it's something that sticks with you i think jump scares don't really stick with you as long it's like ripping off a band-aid it might hurt for just like a second but having having something like that in the background you slowly see started to come into focus is terrifying it sticks with you for a while um i think i think that's like the
00:31:13
Speaker
when we learn later in the season, I think that's the evil spirit that resides there. But I love the little animation they have going on. I love the background music, and it's got a really beautiful minor key. The way
00:31:37
Speaker
The shots are blocked in this in this series is just incredible. The lighting and like the absence of music.
00:31:58
Speaker
And we should be back. Okay. So sorry. You see calls from your kid's school concerning everything is fine.
00:32:16
Speaker
No, you should call them about something that could be an email just to annoy them and take up their time. No. I talked about Carla. Did you know a little bit about the stuff that she's been in? Yeah, I was going to look up her name and see how we pronounce that.
00:32:36
Speaker
She was in Spy Kids, so I'm sure that's where the mom comes from, because that's what I watched growing up. Carla Gugino. Gugino. Yeah, she's brilliant. I like her lots. Yeah.
00:32:51
Speaker
And then I talked about that final shot we see before the opening credits of Young Nell trying to go to sleep and it's that face. So creepy. So good. I love the slow reveals in his shows. I love the slow reveals.
00:33:10
Speaker
talking about how like jump scares are kind of like just ripping band-aids off. They're like scary for a moment and then that's it. Yeah. But something like that sticks with you longer and just is more terrifying. It hits deeper like. Yeah. Yeah. It's unsettling.
00:33:28
Speaker
It's so unsettling. Just the way that shot is blocked, the lighting and everything where the face comes into the light. Yes. It's so good. Just the music disappears. It's so good. It's so good. Masterful for sure. Anyway, we move on to
00:33:56
Speaker
this woman telling a story about how she thinks she's seeing her dead husband above her.
Character Analysis: Steven's Skepticism and Moral Dilemmas
00:34:06
Speaker
Because you got our accident and everything. Yeah, I liked how it started. I liked how that started because you don't know if it's a therapy session, you don't know exactly which character is listening to her. So the slow reveal of of why she's telling the story was really cool.
00:34:24
Speaker
Yeah. Um, just the way that she was telling it to and the dialogue and how she kept going. I thought it was great. It was very well done. Um, and then it's revealed that it is Steven and he grown up, Steven, growing up, Steven. Thank you.
00:34:45
Speaker
And he is getting all these stories for a potential book because he's written books about different paranormal experiences. He wrote about growing up in the house, and that's what kind of got him famous and got him a lot of money. And we see that a little bit later in this episode, too.
00:35:11
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And I just, I love that this is the conversation shot where it doesn't switch back and forth between Steve and the woman. It just focuses on her and just focuses on her delivery because it's her story being told. I just, I think it's great. And he.
00:35:33
Speaker
says thank you for your story like thank you for your time I'll look into it I'll sleep I would like to sleep in your in your room tonight and everything like that um and then he claims like I've never seen ghosts before yeah isn't that nice that he's profiting off of stories that he's never experienced yeah anything um good for you
00:36:00
Speaker
And I just I think it's very weird that he's taking advantage of like other people's stories for his own gain. And it can be looked at like that. Yeah, that's potentially his own. Yeah, because she says the way you wrote it made it sound like it was your experience. Yeah. Yeah. So he's like alluding to it being his experience without it, without saying it's his own experience.
00:36:30
Speaker
Even though I'm sure he has these people's permission because he's obviously recording the conversation and taking notes. I still feel weird about it because maybe he's right. I, I, we don't know, but he could be writing it as his own stories or like changing it to like to be fictionalized a little bit.
00:36:49
Speaker
And just he does say a little bit later that he's going to take he's going to take some liberties and add embellishments but respectfully or tastefully or something weird like that and that was kind of a red flag moment for me.
00:37:03
Speaker
Yeah. And in my creative nonfiction classes that I've been taking, there's a very fine line when it comes to like taking liberties and fictionalizing stories and everything like that. Correct. What is the truth is a very big thing. Correct. So I'm just like, Stephen, I don't know.
00:37:27
Speaker
Well, when it comes to like selling books, if it's going to go, if it's going to be marketed and sold and displayed in a nonfiction section of a store, it has to follow the same kind of journalistic rules of things being verified, fact checked and made sure that they are true.
00:37:55
Speaker
I don't know if you know about this book called A Million Little Pieces, but it's this man's story of living in a, oh gosh, it was so long ago, sorry. If I'm remembering right, he lived in a drug rehab facility and so he just writes his account of living there.
00:38:14
Speaker
And he said, this is my true story. And so it was published, marketed and sold as nonfiction. It got on the Oprah show, which back in the day, if you were in Oprah's book club, your book would sell out in a day in every store nationwide. I worked in Barnes and Noble for several years. And I'm not kidding. We would get the heads up. This book is being shown on Oprah today. Have your displays ready.
00:38:42
Speaker
today and it would be cleared out within 48 hours gone, every copy. Anything by Dr. Phil and anything marketed on Oprah was sold out. So what happened was it came out later that parts of his book were fictional.
00:39:04
Speaker
which you can do as long as you say this is not a true story, you can say based off of true events, but it cannot be marketed, sold and displayed in a nonfiction area. So I don't even know if in the show, just to bring it back around in the show, if it is marketed as a fictional telling or if it's being marketed as true and nonfiction.
00:39:33
Speaker
Yeah, so when he sits there and says I'll take some liberties and add embellishments respectfully, I'm leaning more towards like the entertainment fictional side of it. But it's interesting, maybe it'll
00:39:49
Speaker
Maybe it'll explain it later in the series. I don't remember. I think those are not. I know the family members aren't too happy about it. Oh, yeah. Especially sure. Oh, yeah. She was fired up. But after that, we see him reject a call from now. So sad. Oh, it breaks. Oh, every one of those moments made me so sad.
00:40:18
Speaker
And it really makes you think about when you decline someone's call or something like that. You really don't know. And just the way Steven feels about his sister in general in this episode, it's heartbreaking. It sets up this tone of that maybe she's
00:40:42
Speaker
been needy, that she's kind of like emotionally like a lot like she's she seems like very stressed. And so his attitude of like, I'll deal with this later, was the vibe that I got. And then after we see him reject her call, we see grown up now sitting in like a motel bed. And then it flashes back to young now, who
00:41:11
Speaker
We see her see the bedneck lady for the first time, at least in the show. That's how we see it. And her mom sleeps with her for a little bit, but then wakes up and it's like, I'm tired of sleeping on the floor, probably, and goes off to her own bed. But and then we see now who probably has sleep paralysis wake up and not really be able to move or anything. Her breath quickens up and she sees the bedneck lady.
00:41:39
Speaker
I really appreciated the angle on that. Cause it's still not a full reveal of what this lady is and what she looks like and why she, I mean, it's scary to have somebody hovering over you anyway, but it's so much scarier than what we see at first. All we see is like the creepy black hair hanging down, like with the rules of gravity. So she's like hovering over, but her hair is hanging down. That was a really cool shot. So good. So good. Um,
00:42:11
Speaker
And then we, it goes to her trying to call Shirley in the present and Shirley declines her call as well. Cause she's in a meeting with, I'm assuming some customers, um, because she runs a crematorium and a burial, uh, burial home. I think it's a mortuary service. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:32
Speaker
Um, but she's talking to some clients and like, Oh, we don't know if we want to go through with it because the, our kid doesn't really like it. Oh, the viewing part of the services. Yeah. And she goes over and talks to him and he's like, yeah, I see her.
00:42:50
Speaker
She's got her mouth sound or something and she can't talk. And I'm just like, and that's creepy. My kid is like, yeah, I see grandma and grandma's been dead. And I was like, grandma sits on my bed and pets my hair and doesn't blink. Thank you. Oh, that's that. Oh. You know, I think it'd be interesting to see ghosts, but I also think it'd be terrifying. So I don't know if I would want to.
00:43:20
Speaker
I don't know. Do you want to get into personal experiences sometime? I think that'd be a fun thing. Whether it's for a show or not. I don't have too many personal experiences, but I only have a few. And they're they're each very different. So interesting. Yeah. Anyway.
00:43:47
Speaker
I just want to say like the storytelling at this point, if you are watching it for the first time, can feel a little disjointed and feel very abrupt because you're jumping back and forth between present and past and these different characters. And I know it's the first episode. It's trying to introduce you to all these people, but sometimes it can feel just very abrupt.
00:44:09
Speaker
Yeah, I do think they did a good job at like displaying exactly where in time it is because even as they're adults, it jumps around in time with them too. Yeah.
00:44:22
Speaker
like to the present, quote, present, and then even back a little bit to when he was publishing his book about Hill House. So it kind of even jumps around. I do like the nonlinear style. I like the unfolding of the story and the mystery.
00:44:42
Speaker
So I understand it more now that it's my second watch through, but I, because I'm noticing a lot of things that I completely missed the very first time and were kind of confusing. So where it is in time was never confusing, but like all the little nuanced details, I didn't catch.
00:45:05
Speaker
Yeah, and especially when we get to one of the scenes later on in the treehouse.
Family Dynamics and Supernatural Experiences
00:45:13
Speaker
It's very interesting when you go back and see it.
00:45:18
Speaker
Then we go to Young Shirley with Young Nell and they're given a key by Mr. Dudley. And they've been trying to unlock this red room door for the longest time because they want to see what's behind it. And they just haven't been able to open it. Like, there's no keys for it or nothing. So they're hoping this key is going to unlock the door. They go over and it just doesn't work. And she gets frustrated and she bings on the door because it's not opening.
00:45:47
Speaker
I thought it was funny that I was like, I hope there's a unicorn behind. She's so adorable. And then straight to creepy when she says, there's something back there because I saw the shadows under the door moving. I'm like, oh my gosh.
00:46:04
Speaker
Like, what are you talking about? No, you didn't. You're a kid, you see things. And they go away, and we actually do see a shadow move on. Not only see the shadow, but the creaking of the floor. Yes. Yes. Slowly crossing the threshold. It's so good.
00:46:27
Speaker
And then it goes into present day Stephen calling Shirley while he's setting up all his recording equipment and everything. And they're talking about the missed call from Nell and Stephen says everything is always an emergency to Nell. I just. Yeah. I wish there was some passion for her. For now, I wish there was more compassion from them towards her.
00:46:57
Speaker
But I also understand how it can be exhausting sometimes. But I feel like because he didn't experience what she did, he can't relate. So to him, it feels like too much where she's like really struggling and is asking for help. Denying her experience.
00:47:15
Speaker
Yeah, but also profiting off of it. So like right now he's not on my good list. Yeah. He's like, you're mentally ill and so was mom. She's traumatized. She's traumatized. Yeah. Jesus. Steven, please come on. Relax. Um,
00:47:38
Speaker
And then he goes into this conversation with a woman and he's like, I don't believe in the supernatural. I believe in the preternatural, um, that it's just natural phenomenon that we don't understand yet. And I, I kind of like that. Cause I do think there's a lot in the world that we don't understand yet. And it seems like mystical and, um, fictional, but maybe it's just cause we don't understand her and understand it fully yet. Mm-hmm.
00:48:08
Speaker
Yeah. I wonder if that's true, what he said about people dying from fright at an eclipse. Yeah. That was an interesting comparison. I didn't look that up. I probably should have fact checked that. Yeah. I don't know. It was an interesting point though. Yeah. But yeah, to our point earlier, we don't know what we don't know. So.
00:48:36
Speaker
It's always good to keep your mind open to new information, new points of view, new ways of looking at things. And then we go into him calling the rehab and just kind of asking if Luke is still there because Nell called and left a voicemail and said she was worried about Luke, which we haven't seen adult Luke, by the way, not yet.
00:49:06
Speaker
Not yet. But we learned that he's got a problem with drugs. Yeah. I think it's I think it's spoken about a couple of times. It's alluded to like with the rehab and everything, but it doesn't really dive into it. Right. Right. I like that. You know, there's there's sometimes in shows where they
00:49:29
Speaker
have these weird conversations that wouldn't happen in real life. And it's to explain a certain part of the story, right? And I don't have a specific example, but I think you know what I'm talking about where it's like one character is talking to another and they're going into detail about something that both of them have already known about, but it's to introduce us to the situation. It's very obvious and it's very like, it doesn't happen in real life.
00:49:55
Speaker
Uh, but this, the way that it's, it's done in this show, the slow reveals the you're integrated into the story. You're catching up with what they already know. I really appreciate that kind of more nuanced approach to like us being introduced to this world without them like over explaining it in a, in a very non-organic fashion. Yeah. It's, it's very good writing.
00:50:23
Speaker
because they're not being lazy about it. Yes, I just like a lazy writer. Yes. Yes. When I write screenplays, I will try to not be a lazy writer. It's hard because it's like, it's like I just want to get this part done.
00:50:45
Speaker
Then we get introduced to Theo as an adult who is out clubbing and she's not really looking at the guys or interested in them, even though they're interested in her, but she's interested in this one woman across the floor.
00:51:08
Speaker
And then they go back and have fun at the house. I didn't for the longest time, I didn't know that actress Kate Siegel that that was Mike Flanagan's wife. I think it was like in the middle of Midnight Mass where I found out that they're married.
00:51:31
Speaker
Cool. Yeah. Wow. Fun little thing. It's very clear early on, even though we haven't really had too much interaction with Theo, that she doesn't either like or want connection on a deeper level with other people. She's very closed off. She's very cold. She's a female womanizer. Yeah.
00:51:56
Speaker
Um, I think it's very funny. Like the way she was trying to get, Oh, the second the girl started talking about college and she's just like, I have worked tomorrow. She's like, I gotta get up or catch the hint. Please leave. We are done here.
00:52:18
Speaker
And the woman's like, did I say something wrong? She's like, we just did what we came here to do. She's like, I'm done with you. Very business approach to it. I thought it was so mean, but I thought it was really funny at the same time. Oh, it's super mean.
00:52:37
Speaker
But it's hilarious. Like get out of my house. I'm done. I used you as I needed to use you and now I'm done with you. Yeah. Like what else do you want? Poor girl. I'm not making breakfast. Okay. All right. Hold on. Cause then she goes out and she's speaking to her sister on the porch of the mortuary. Right. And we learned that like,
00:53:05
Speaker
She lives there with her sister and brother-in-law. Right. And then they say, Nell called me today. Like, how long is this day?
00:53:18
Speaker
Because when she's at the club, you think it's evening time. When she brings the girl home, it's like very late in the night. And then when the girl leaves, I'm thinking it's like middle of the night, maybe early morning. And then they go and have a conversation on the porch after this girl leaves. And she's like, Mel called me today. I'm like, wasn't that yesterday? So I got a little confused. I'm like, what time is she going to the club?
00:53:43
Speaker
Does she go to the club early? Is this like eight o'clock in the evening? Because it kind of looks like sunset, like desk. But I don't know that kind of threw me off a little bit. So I could have just not paid attention to something or it's like a little bit in continuity. Is that a word?
00:54:03
Speaker
Yeah, I think so. It can be a word. We can make it a word. Done. In continuity. I feel, you know how, even if it's like late at night, like maybe 1 a.m. to 2 a.m., you still kind of think about it as that day, the same day. Yes. So maybe that's what is going on.
00:54:25
Speaker
But doesn't it kind of still look like it's light outside a little bit, that the sun is going down? And also why is her sister still up? As if she's winding down for the day. It's really not that important. It's just kind of like, what? I think it's super light just because of the porch lights and everything like that.
00:54:50
Speaker
Okay, it's it still seems like I'll let it go. I'll let it go. I'll let it go. I'm fine. But then Shirley Shirley claims that Theo is bringing the parade like every night. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:55:07
Speaker
But going back to your point, they did say that now called. And Shirley, Shirley is sympathetic. She's like, oh, she sounded bad. And Theo just goes right into. Yeah, because it sucks to me now. I'm just like, come on. Can anybody give her a break? No, please. No, no.
00:55:29
Speaker
But we, we know that there's some tension between Theo and now and that there's something happened and they're kind of not as strange, but just not on speaking terms right now. Um, and we don't know why yet, right? No, not yet. I think that's way later in the season, actually towards the end.
00:55:51
Speaker
But then we're introduced into older Hugh and he's in bed. And we don't really know what's happened to if he's first time watching it, we don't know what's happened to the mom yet. Right, because he's by himself. Yeah. Yeah. We think, oh, maybe. Oh, that arm that's wrapping around and maybe that's just his wife. No, because it's just the overhead shot. He's alone. Uh huh.
00:56:18
Speaker
I call that in the overhead shot. When you first see him, he's by himself. So then all of a sudden when it's the side shot and that arm is coming around, you're like, and then she goes for his face. I'm like, uh, my husband goes and like puts his hand on my face. Sorry. No, thank you. So it's not even like a romantic thing to be like.
00:56:43
Speaker
She wasn't like stroking the side of his face. She was like putting her fingers. So for me, that red is ominous. It was not cute. Just a tad bit. Did you count it as a jump scare? Yes. Okay. Not the arm, but when it panned over, when he rolled over her face,
00:57:09
Speaker
and saw her and then her face changed and screamed. That was a jump scare. Yeah. I believe I counted this one as one as well. And I think I have a half jump scare later on. But so I two and a half really. That might have been like the third one that I couldn't remember when I was trying to tally them up. We'll see if they match up because I didn't write it down. So I don't remember what I was thinking it was going to be. But anyway, I think the other one that I have counted as a jump scare you'll also.
00:57:40
Speaker
Yeah. And then we have him waking up and I think he's getting a call from Nell and he picks it up. Yeah. And he talks to her and she's like, oh, do you remember the bent neck lady? All like creepy and ominous and everything. And he immediately, as a great dad does, he immediately knows that something's up and something's wrong with her. And he's like, where are you? I'm coming to you right now. I wonder.
00:58:10
Speaker
Sorry, I wonder if he's like the only one that can validate her experience because of what he saw that we don't know what he's seen yet. Yeah. Cause we, he does go through some stuff that we see at the end of the episode. Right. And I think Luke does too, but Luke is in his own trauma also as an adult. So she can't.
00:58:35
Speaker
He can't help her. So I do like that. The dad is supportive of her. Mm hmm. Yeah. And he's I love him so much because he immediately jumps on and he's like, go to go to Stephen's place, go to his place. I will be there. I'm coming right now. I'm going to catch a flight because he's in Jacksonville, I believe.
00:59:04
Speaker
I think that's where he is. It made me sad. It broke my heart when he said, where are you? And she said, I'm in bed. And then it shows her in her car and the car. And then he says, are you OK? And she says, yeah, I'm fine. Yeah. Because I think we've all been in those kind of spots where we need help, but we don't know how to ask for help. And so we don't want to be the burden. And so we're just lie and say that. Yeah, I'm fine. But she was very, very, very much not fine.
00:59:33
Speaker
Especially because we know she's probably. She. To her other family members to her, so when she has been a burden and because they're over it, she has been needy and the ones that can help her don't. Yeah. And she probably knows that she's been like that and she probably feels horrible, which is why. She's like, yeah, I'm OK, I'm fine. Yeah. It's.
01:00:01
Speaker
Which again, that brings my heart when they're very, when she does reach out to them for that last ditch effort for help and they decline the call and think, oh, I can just call her later. Yeah.
01:00:17
Speaker
But she's in the car and I love this little piece of filmmaking. It's dark on her face and in the car. And then you see lights, yellow lights light up and you're like, what the heck just happened? And you see her looking at the old house and all the lights are on and you're just like, what the heck is going on?
01:00:43
Speaker
Oh, it's so good. I love it. I love it so much. And she gets out and she goes towards the car and he immediately packs his things and catches a flight out of there. And then we go back into the flash, the flashback of the night. I think we'll refer to it as the night. Yeah. Yeah. And he younger, he busts into Stephen's room and is like Stephen.
01:01:13
Speaker
You got to be quiet. Shh. Come with me. I'm going to pick you up. Close your eyes. Don't open them no matter what you hear. And we're like, Stephen, we're like, what the heck is going on? What? What is happening? Yeah, Stephen does the thing my kids do when I'm like in a serious situation where I just need you to do what I say and go.
01:01:37
Speaker
He's like, what do you mean, dad? What are you talking? He's like, just do it. There are other times we can have conversations. This is not this is not one of them.
01:01:50
Speaker
yeah yeah it's super ominous and weird and creepy and like the doorknob jiggles back and forth and the door doesn't open i hate that i love it it was so creepy the doorknob like it wasn't jiggling it was doing the slow turn this way back to center slow turn that and it was just a long
01:02:10
Speaker
prolonged close-up on, it was like a lion's face on that doorknob, which how beautiful is everything in this house? This house is gorgeous. Like I was obsessed. It's so pretty. I was like, it's haunted, I'll live there.
01:02:28
Speaker
But then but then they both then both of them book it out of there.
Revelations of the Family's Past and Hauntings
01:02:36
Speaker
And Steven stupidly opens up his eyes and he sees this figure in white and it's like white gown limping towards him. We don't know who it is. Why didn't I see that? Oh, my gosh. You didn't see that. No. What is that? What the heck was I looking at? So they just go out of his room. He's been closing his eyes, but then he opens it and it
01:02:58
Speaker
Like the shot, it follows it through the, the back way of the hallway and into. And he sees it. Just you see the fit. Yeah. Steven, Steven sees it coming and limping towards him. So what is he doing as an adult saying he's never seen anything? Is he just like in denial? We don't know that yet, but that was his mom. Yeah.
01:03:22
Speaker
Okay. All right. I'm just going to have to go back and watch that spot. All right. Steven. Steven. So he gets back. He gets in the back of the car and Luke is saying, I see Annabelle or I can't remember what her name is, but there's a little girl's name that he says, oh, I see her.
01:03:50
Speaker
And everyone's like crying and upset and they're like, where's mom? Where's mom? Like we can't leave mom. And, um, Steven looks up and, um, we see her, we're assuming it's her. Cause if you're watching this for the first time, we're assuming it's her up in that window, just looking out at the car. And how scary was it when he was like, that's not mom.
01:04:13
Speaker
Yeah. And like, what is going on? What happened? Oh my gosh. And how scary is that? That's so scary. Yeah. Cause like, I dunno, any, any story where the mom is the one that turns on the children is just as a whole other level of, of, of scary, of horror, of creepiness, because
01:04:41
Speaker
mothers are safe, they're, you know, um, the other word I was going to use just fell out of me. So, um, but mothers are like the comfort, the peace, the gentleness, you know, they're your safe place. And then all of a sudden they're not. And so the kids didn't understand anything. So like, of course we're not going to leave our mom. And then when he says that's not mom, like, yeah,
01:05:10
Speaker
imagine yourself as a kid, like being told that just. Yeah, that alone would give you trauma. Oh, 100 percent. Yeah. So much trauma. But then we get this. It's like the younger three that have the most, isn't it? Yeah. Because there's five of them, right?
01:05:40
Speaker
Yeah. Steven Shirley, Theo, then Nell and Luke. Yeah. The younger two the most, but like the younger three, um, compared to the older two. Yeah. Okay. Surely has experienced more than, um, Stephen has as well. And we'll, we'll see her story later and see what's going on with her later too. Right. Um,
01:06:08
Speaker
But then we see Steven in the future or in the present. I'll just say present. And he's like, dad, you can't tell me what to do. And he tries to tell him that him and his ex wife wife are not even living together at this point. Yeah, I guess separated. I guess separated because everything seemed super fresh.
01:06:35
Speaker
Yeah. Um. But he he doesn't he doesn't have a chance to get it out before his dad hangs up the phone or something because he's like you his dad's basically saying you go see no go get her now like she needs help your sister needs you Stephen's been a buddy he's like no I don't want to you can't tell me what to do anymore finishes his night at the lady's house yeah and it's like
01:07:04
Speaker
I'm trying to help trying to take advantage of this lady. I don't know, but he's he just doesn't care about his family right now. And it's very annoying. And then it goes into present day now. Dancing in this weird gown, this cream colored off colored gown.
01:07:28
Speaker
in the house that's in the house rotted and dirty and dusty and cobwebbed that was very it's very yeah it's very clear that she's she's she's not well right she's not well something's going on um and we don't see anything past her dancing and then it goes to each one of the siblings and i believe it's 330
01:07:57
Speaker
it's 303 in one time zone and then it was like 203 and then like one whatever time zone they were in so yeah okay this is what i this is all sorry because the spot the spot is really creepy and it's important but like you have an issue i have an issue because
01:08:29
Speaker
What time did Theo finish with her with her fling? It must have been like maybe she looks I don't know mid early 30s so maybe she's just having an early club night.
01:08:50
Speaker
And she just goes back. Maybe it's like 12 o'clock by the time she's done. It's such a non-issue. So I don't know why it's bugging me so much right now because what time was it for her that she woke up? It was 3.03 for 303. And then where she was, what time did it say where she was?
01:09:14
Speaker
Well, surely in the order together and it said three or three for both of them. I'm assuming I'm assuming that's what they're and they're in Florida. That's. Are they in Florida? I wasn't. I know they were in Florida. Somebody's in Florida. He's in Jacksonville, Florida. Yeah. I think. And so that would be the three sisters are somewhere on the East Coast. Yeah, that's that would be three or three. Steven is on the West Coast and that's why he's twelve or three.
01:09:44
Speaker
right okay is that how do we know where the house is i think it's on the east side somewhere no because nell was in la nell was in california right but that's why like she wasn't even near stephen at all no but when she was making those phone calls it's kind of alluded to that she was at her own place
01:10:10
Speaker
And then she's in her car at Hill House supposedly on the same day, past midnight, you know, but like, kind of the same day. So it had to have been somewhere where she could drive within a few hours. Maybe we'll find out. So how far can I drive from California till midnight and spend time dancing? It's got to be on the East coast somewhere because they drive from Shirley's place to the house later on.
01:10:43
Speaker
It's fairly close. It's not, it can't be that far. So did she fly? I'm assuming. These are like details that literally don't matter, but logistics always trip me up, man. If you guys know, and we're just not understanding, please let us know. Join the conversation on Instagram. Anyway, everybody wakes up.
01:11:07
Speaker
at 303 or the equivalent. I thought that was really cool. They woke up and they grabbed their necks. They sat up abruptly. Yeah. Which I did not get that the first time I watched it. I don't even think I clocked it the first time I watched this, but like it's so much more meaningful. Yeah. Now. It really is. I love their shows. They're still all connected. Very cool. Yeah.
01:11:33
Speaker
And then we see Steven to be the last one to wake up and he wakes up and he tries to go back to sleep and then he gets water dripped on, on his forehead. Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:46
Speaker
So he stands up, he looks at the ceiling and figure that there's like a water spot where the water is getting through. And as he's doing that, he hears a loud horn of the car horn. And I counted that as like a half jump scare because it is kind of startling. Oh, it comes out of nowhere. There's like a half jump scare.
01:12:08
Speaker
I'll give you, I'll give you the house. But Stephen's like, Come on, man. I figured it out. And it's like the next morning. And he's talking to the woman. And he's scientifically explaining all this stuff away and just saying that her experience probably didn't happen. But the mind is a powerful thing.
01:12:35
Speaker
Or it did, but it's not really paranormal. It's like a combination of the water and maybe being woken up and then the car horns. Yeah. Because of the missing stop sign and everything's explained away. So it couldn't have been a ghost. Yeah, exactly. But I love that he's talking about like that ghost is going to be anything grief, anger or guilt. Yeah. Ghost is a wish, basically. And I love that. And that's the theme.
01:13:18
Speaker
OK, but she's she's kind of like annoyed at him. It's like, how are you just crediting my experience right now and everything like that? And yeah, the way she looks at him and she's like, I can't believe I used to. I'm like, I'm a fan of you or something. That's what. Oh, yeah. He saw he was losing a fan. Yeah. Because his tone changed.
01:13:32
Speaker
for this first episode.
01:13:43
Speaker
Yeah. And then we get a flashback to Shirley and Steven talking about him first initially writing the book. And she like slams the manuscript down in his face. Oh, and she's very pregnant. Yeah. Don't take off a pregnant lady. I am not kidding.
01:14:03
Speaker
Yeah. And she's like, you're worse than the tabloids. Like you're, you're making everything they said true. Like you're making everybody seem crazy. Like you seem making mom seem crazy. And he's like, mom was crazy. It's just whole thing. And then that added layer of him not experiencing anything in the house. So they probably were trying to share. This is just a guess, but like maybe as they were growing up, they were trying to share with him their experiences and he's like, well, I didn't see anything. So.
01:14:32
Speaker
Yeah. And then he's the one to, to exploit it. Yeah. In a book. Yeah. And thinking he was doing the right thing by, by sending them advanced copies. Yeah. Doing the right thing. Part of the money that I get from it. That can help. I'm sure he's like not having it. It's like, no, you, you are horrible to our family in this.
01:15:02
Speaker
Yeah, but then we get introduced to lay who I had no idea that I had no idea before. Yeah. And so I was watching this. Oh, she's so recognizable, but she does every role so completely different. Yes. That yeah, you wouldn't.
01:15:24
Speaker
Yeah. That's why I saw her. She doesn't look different, but like her whole, like her countenance, her demeanor, everything is so different that I love that. I didn't like recognize her from this, you know? Yeah. I didn't know that I had seen her in this first initial series. Yeah. She was just so memorable in Midnight Mass that when we saw her in Midnight Club, it was like, Oh wow. Cool. And she played such like, well at first, like such an opposite character.
01:15:53
Speaker
So yeah, very cool. I wonder how often she shows up later. Cause I don't remember, which I kind of like not remembering all the things I'm rewatching something. Yeah.
01:16:10
Speaker
But then Shirley's like, if you write this, you know what the cost is. Like, you know what it costs to write this. And he's thinking back on it and he's like. Maybe it was too much. You know, the cost was too much because it cost him kind of as a relationship with his family. And yeah, changed it forever for him. Yeah. I think Steve's ghost is like he just wanted to be
01:16:38
Speaker
free of like his family. Yeah, I think. And potentially a financial estate. It seemed like they were struggling. Yeah. And he's like, this can this can solve our money issues and everything, but it's going to create more for you. Yeah.
01:17:01
Speaker
with a family and everything like that. Let me flashback to future Steven, not future present Steven. And this is where he's like, yeah, I'll write your story. I'm going to take liberties and embellishments and everything, but I'll be respectful and everything like that.
01:17:21
Speaker
And then we go into the past, which young Steven is with his dad. And I don't I this part is a little confusing because I don't know who that other man is. I don't know if he's a lawyer or just like. I think he was a lawyer because they were talking about court, which I think they're talking about family court and custody arrangements. So I think he was a legal representation. Yeah, for the family court. I think he was the lawyer for family court.
01:17:51
Speaker
Okay. And all the newspapers are saying that maybe he killed his wife and everything like that. Yeah. And just, there's a whole bunch of stuff going on with this family that people were thinking.
01:18:08
Speaker
Which that would happen, like if his initial statements to the police got leaked where he's like, the house is haunted or whatever it was he said, we don't know yet. Um, I didn't really catch all the headlines, but that gets leaked. And then the police are looking at him as like a suspect. Of course that's going to sell stories. Of course tabloids would pick that up. Of course that would go around the media. Yeah.
01:18:34
Speaker
Anyway, then we, we jumped to the present day, um, Steven and he's on the phone with Lee. Um, and it's very clear that they're separated and like, she's, they're not really on speaking terms. Um, and she was super annoyed. She's like, Oh, that long sigh.
01:18:57
Speaker
Cause he's like, no, maybe showing up at your place. And then like nobody else knows that they're separated. Yeah. So it's either fresh or they're just keeping everything kind of to themselves. And he says, well, I can come by and we can talk about this. And she's like, well, I know you have to say, you know what I have to say? Is there any point and just hangs up on him?
01:19:24
Speaker
Ouch. What did you do, man? What did you do? How'd you mess up?
01:19:38
Speaker
And then it goes into Mrs. Dudley in a flashback with Steven. Got a velocity. This is Steven centric episode. Little Steven is his episode, even though it's kind of introducing all of the characters to us. Yeah, this is Miss Dudley with Steven and she's talking about how we established that the Dudley's are the caretakers. I don't think so, but we just I don't think we even.
01:20:08
Speaker
You mentioned Mr. Dudley, but I don't think we, I don't even know if it's like obvious, like he handed the key over. So that's a clue. And then in this conversation, sorry. So I kind of jumped the gun. It's this conversation that we get more clarity about who they are and why they're there.
01:20:26
Speaker
Yeah. Mrs Dudley being Mr. Dudley's wife, they are the caretakers of Hill House. And she says, oh, we don't stay here past night. Nobody, none of the caretakers have like pretty much ever. They don't even live on the property. They live out of bounds of the property. Yeah. Like in the woods or something. Yeah.
01:20:52
Speaker
Like the Hills owned the house before this family and no one lived closer than the city is what she said. Everyone always kind of avoided Hill House. It was always kind of this dark place that everyone just didn't want to be in.
01:21:13
Speaker
And she just refuses to stay there after dark. She goes into how he needs to be a good young man and stay in the light. And that light is only given by
01:21:28
Speaker
I don't know if she says God or the Savior Jesus Christ. She says the Lord Jesus Christ. And then the mom comes in and is like, yeah, he knows all about that. He also knows about Buddhism. She says, do you know the Gospels? Which referring to like Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John from the New Testament, I think those are what are usually referred to as the Gospels.
01:21:58
Speaker
But anyway, but I do like that scene where mom comes in and she's like, yes, he does. And he's also read this and he's also read that. And we want him to understand that like everybody thinks they have the answer, but who does really have the answer? Is there one group of people that has the answer? Yeah. And every group thinks that they have it. Yeah. And I'm not opposed to like teaching different points of view and different belief systems and
01:22:30
Speaker
No, me neither. So I respected that. You get a very well-rounded person. Yeah. Have a worldly view. Yeah. As devoted as you feel towards your religion, people who have very different religions also feel that same devotion and so should be respected. Yeah.
01:22:54
Speaker
But then we get introduced to the tree house that Luke is having fun in and he's Oh that moment hold on that moment where right before that Okay, where the mom says where's Luke? She says where's Luke and Steve says oh, I think he's in his tree house and she says very funny and
01:23:19
Speaker
Yes. And we don't know what that means. Open-ended. Yes. But so meaningful re-watching it. We're not going to say anything about it yet. But here's something that I caught when Steven climbs into the tree house. It's from like a bottom hatch, right? I caught this too. Which is weird. And then he says something about the tree house dad built.
01:23:49
Speaker
And kind of saying like, you're not going to the tree house that dad built you. And then Luke kind of like, I don't know if he acknowledges that or just changes the subject to talk about like the sign he wants to put up where like, how do you spell no girls allowed? But that was an interesting little like moment where there's a tree house that dad built, which makes me think this is the tree house that dad built.
01:24:13
Speaker
Yeah. It's a little weird on the first viewing, but it's very clear. On the first watch, it's not going to cross your mind whatsoever that any of this means anything. Treehouse, yeah, whatever. Kids have a treehouse, move on. He's in the treehouse, da, da, da. Just want to put that out there. Some other details, obviously the window. The window is the most
01:24:40
Speaker
When you're watching it again, it's the most recognizable thing about it. I missed that. OK. Got it. Because I didn't. The door that Stephen goes into that's at the bottom of the tree. Huh?
01:24:57
Speaker
If you think about it, when it closes, the the color on the outside of it is red as well. Oh, did not catch very, very, very cool. Right there. Yeah. Very cool. Like second viewing. You're like, oh, oh, my goodness. I can't believe I didn't see it. That kind of thing. That's really cool.
01:25:18
Speaker
But I love this moment that they have with each other where Steven is not being a complete jerk and he's actually being a good older brother. He's being a good big brother. Yeah. Especially to his other male sibling. Yeah.
01:25:34
Speaker
We need that, like the same, same gender sibling interaction going on. And I feel bad for my sister because she never got that, but yeah. Just have time with the boys and everything like that. Yeah. Well, you and I both have a lot of siblings. So I think we understand a lot of these different dynamics, especially since this series is going to explore that more. Yeah.
01:26:02
Speaker
But that was a really cute moment. Yeah, I love it. And Luke is like, can you hang out with me? And he was like, yeah, I'll hang out with you. And Luke is like, you can hang out all the time. You can be with you all the time. Oh my goodness, they're so innocent and so sweet. What happened? He was like, we can draw together. I'm obsessed with that kid. He is so cute. He's adorable.
01:26:32
Speaker
No, but he then he says he's drawing a picture of Abigail and Stephen's like, oh, it's OK to have imaginary friends. And Luke is like, oh, she's not imaginary. They're like, huh, what is going on with this? It's like a girl at the edge of the woods. That's not creepy at all. Yeah. But it also ties back into what Miss Miss Darley was saying.
01:26:59
Speaker
Because nobody lives on property. But we don't, we don't, we don't know about that. No, we don't. We can't actually do it. Anyway, we see this picture that Luke has drawn of this figure that is just has a gaping mouth open. Yeah. Stephen's like, oh, where do you get all your drawings, man? And honestly, I can't remember what Luke says. I forgot to.
01:27:27
Speaker
But then we flash forward to. Stephen, I don't even think he really answered it, but. No, he didn't. It's the urban ended. Yeah. We flash forward to present
Present-Day Family Interactions and Tensions
01:27:42
Speaker
day Stephen going into his apartment complex and he's like trying to get mail and everything. He's dropping all of his stuff and we see grown up Luke walking down the stairs. We don't know it's him at first because we haven't seen him yet.
01:27:57
Speaker
I like how they presented him like out of focus. So you don't know. You can't tell what that figure is. Yeah. And then the next time it pans to him, he's in focus. And that's when Steve says, you know, says his name, that it's Luke. Yeah.
01:28:18
Speaker
Okay, this is random, but yeah, it's funny. Like, I don't know if this is true in your family, but like the older siblings in my family are the shortest. And then the younger siblings are like the tallest. So like,
01:28:33
Speaker
little Luke is like super tall. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, that tracks because my two younger brothers are well over six feet tall. And then my older brother is either just barely six feet or like 511 or something if he, I don't know, he's at a desk a lot. So maybe he's 511 now, but I think he's officially six foot tall, but he's the shortest out of my three brothers. I thought it's funny that grown up Luke is like really, really tall.
01:28:59
Speaker
Yeah, Mark hasn't stopped growing it. I don't think I think he's coming close to this. This is not growing anymore. But yeah, obviously Steffi's the shortest out of all of us. Right. But I'm the tallest out of all my siblings so far. Evans, Evan got up there. Evan shot Evans. I could have sworn Evan was taller than you.
01:29:23
Speaker
So far I'm still the tallest. Okay. I'm going to take it. Are you taller than Alex? I know your family. Thank you. I've been taller than Alex for a while.
01:29:41
Speaker
but neither of us are growing anymore. We're just waiting on Mark to see where he's gonna end up, but all fours, brothers are pretty up there. I'm just barely a little bit taller than my older sister and my younger sister's just barely a little bit taller than I am. Yeah, that's funny. So random, but I like that detail. I don't even know if that was on purpose or if he just like fit the role in casting, but it tracks.
01:30:06
Speaker
Yeah, just this little kid growing up to this very tall man. I know. But he's trying to steal Steve's stuff. He's got the camera in his hand. He's got the iPad and the other hand and like he just stands there like he's caught and you can immediately like read the situation. I do like Steve's response to him though.
01:30:30
Speaker
Yeah, which first of all, Luke looks terrible. He looks like somebody who is who is on drugs would look like. Yeah. Yeah. Like maybe going with through withdrawals or like he looks like eating a fix or something.
01:30:48
Speaker
like at least a day and a half out from not that I am an expert in this at all but like from other people's stories. They really start to I just listened to some story where she was trying to detox by herself in a hotel room and it took like a day and a half for the symptoms to really kick in and she felt like she had the flu. So what she described is how he looked.
01:31:08
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He looks he looks like crap. Yeah. Desperate. Very desperate enough to rob his brother. Accurate. Yeah. It's awesome that we later learn why he looks like that and it's not why we originally think and why what Steve originally thinks as well. But the story they're trying to tell at this point fits. He's a dread addict. Yeah. That he's an addict and he's in like severe withdrawal and he needs help.
01:31:38
Speaker
Yeah. And Steven has a little bit of redemption, even though it's not the best thing he could do for his brother. He's like, Hey, tell you what, you can sell the camera. I need the iPad that's got my work on it and I'll give you whatever it is in my wallet and you can have it. And I'm like, okay, I appreciate that, that you're helping him out a little bit, but you're also kind of enabling him if he was trying to get drugs.
01:32:08
Speaker
We'll get into enabling later in the series. Yeah, we can because I probably have different views on that than other people might.
01:32:21
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know if I want to go into it right this second, but I think it was a very compassionate thing for him to do to give him something that will help his brother feel better, even if it ultimately is fueling the supposed drug addiction.
01:32:39
Speaker
Because detoxing on your own or like, you know, stopping certain drugs, cold turkey can kill you. Yeah. So I understand. Stephen's point of view. But it is the best thing that I've seen Stephen do so far this episode. So I yeah, I respect. So I wonder if it was just compassion because because because Luke was there in his face. Oh, I get that.
01:33:06
Speaker
And then no, like not really any direct compassion for Nell because maybe she's just being too emotional, you know? So, but he did try to call her back, even though we didn't pick up the phone.
01:33:22
Speaker
Right. Um, but I just love how that shows that that family relationships are hard sometimes. And yeah, like not everything is perfect and you're not always going to love your siblings. And then at what level are you getting involved with siblings? Right.
01:33:38
Speaker
Well, some people don't love them anymore. So, I mean, it happens. And then at what level do you get involved with them when you've got your own family to take care of? You've got your own problems. They're grownups. There's resources for them. You know, like how involved do you really get? To what cost, right? Yeah. So.
01:34:03
Speaker
Yeah, it just, it hurts. All of this hurts very much, but sometimes it's a good kind of hurt. And sometimes you need, you need it. You need to feel that way. And it's also part of growing up, learning how to let go of things that are not yours. But Luke gives back the camera and he takes the cash. So he doesn't take any of Steven's belongings.
01:34:36
Speaker
And Stephen goes back up to his apartment and the door is busted in because Luke kicked it in. Did he kick it in or it looked like it was like pride at the doorknob? I don't know. It looked busted up. Yeah, I was just it was like indented by the. Yeah, I look crowbarred open to me just because of the indent at the doorknob.
01:35:00
Speaker
So we know who's broken into places. You caught me. I'm one of the wet bandits. Anyway, he goes into his apartment and he sees Nell.
01:35:21
Speaker
in the apartment and it kind of like startles him a little bit. And at this point, we're like, what the heck is going on? Because we just saw her creepily dancing in this old house and somewhere that we think is very two different places.
01:35:41
Speaker
And he kind of starts parading. He's like, well, you just let shut up. No, we won't. You just let. She's trying to talk and he won't. Yeah. Sometimes you just need to listen. Yeah. I was like, stop talking and pay attention. She's like.
01:36:03
Speaker
And I don't know if it's because it's a ghost and she's trying to talk and she can't because of I think sounds really later. Yeah.
01:36:14
Speaker
But then we get the call from his dad and he's just still so focused on himself and putting his stuff down. And the fact that Luke just tried to steal from him and everything, he doesn't even give his sister a hug. He didn't go to give her a hug. He didn't say hello. He just starts lecturing her. Yeah. And he's getting his phone call from his dad and, um,
01:36:42
Speaker
His dad is like, yeah, Mel's dead. She's she died. And Stephen's like, what the heck? She's right here with me. Like, what are you talking about? Then he turns around and like she's right there in his face and he is all decomposing and everything. The slow like from normal to.
01:37:03
Speaker
to ghostly with the mouth opening up. Oh, so good. So good. Well done. Which sister was it that woke up and said Nels in the red room at the 203 or the 303 when everybody was waking up in the middle of the night, one of them said Nels in the red room and then woke up or the other way around. But was it the same sister that was sleep talking about the red room and the pandas? Let me see.
01:37:35
Speaker
It might be like, cause that was kind of, that was a really cool detail that I think we missed. I'm
Reflections on Horror Storytelling
01:37:45
Speaker
pretty sure it's the oldest sister, the one that was sleep talking that started murmuring Nels in the red room where she said it as she woke up or something. Yeah, you're right. It was Shirley when she woke up, she, she's like Nels in the red room. Yeah, that was very good.
01:38:02
Speaker
Very good catch. Thank you. I got one. But Stephen is just like completely shocked and is like, what the heck is happening right now? It's a ghost, Stephen. A ghost. And so he falls over. And she falls over scared and she disappears. And so that was my second jump scare. That was mine too. Yeah.
01:38:32
Speaker
And he's just kind of lying there on the ground, just kind of shocked. And that's the end of the episode. Do you remember what you thought of this episode when you watched it for the very first time? No. Me neither. Sorry.
01:38:54
Speaker
That's okay. It was a while ago. It was a long time ago. I watched it as it first came out. I don't think I rewatched it till now. So I don't have any direct memories of this episode in particular, other than like, little Luke and little Nell being super cute. And I do remember the shot of the bent neck lady over the couch.
01:39:22
Speaker
So I remember it was creepy. It definitely kept me engaged enough that I wanted to watch the next one. It was scary, but not too much that I was like worried about watching anymore. So the story really pulls you in. There's enough mystery, enough heartwarming stuff, you know, to balance everything out. So yeah, I think that's all.
01:39:49
Speaker
That's something that I love that he does is being able to balance the horror elements and the creepiness and scariness with heartwarming and real connection and everything.
01:40:04
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. There is something to say for the horror genre to have the gore and the violence for its sake alone for people that enjoy that. So I don't want like feedback like, oh, you just don't like it. No, I don't like it. So for me to sit through things that I find disturbing, it has to have that balance. And it's the same thing like when I watch like Stranger Things.
01:40:31
Speaker
It has to have the other story elements to pull me in and then the horror and the gore and the scare and the jump scares need to be explained. I don't know if I want to say explained, but it has to be incorporated correctly for me to sit through something that's scary because I don't particularly enjoy seeing things that are disturbing.
01:40:57
Speaker
but when it goes along with the story and other elements of the story are enjoyable, then it's worth it to me, you know? And it can elevate it. Exactly, exactly. I
Humorous Observations from Corey's Segment
01:41:11
Speaker
like psychological thrillers, like The Babadook, that was amazing. Such a random, scary movie, but it's terrifying, but in like that good way where I'm not grossed out, I'm just scared.
01:41:26
Speaker
Yeah. Okay, let's move on to this new segment that hopefully I can continue on. And I'm so excited for this. This one. Not too much came out of this. But maybe as we go on, we'll get a little bit more. I don't know how much I need to explain my husband is a truck driver. I'm a single parent while he works. And
01:41:55
Speaker
Currently our schedule we're recording on Monday mornings, which means I'm watching the episode Sunday nights, Sunday nights. My husband and I will sit and watch a show together since he is watching these with me to prep for these episodes. I want to see what he says. Sometimes what he says is just comedic gold without him understanding why he's being funny. So I am calling the segment Corey's comments.
01:42:22
Speaker
I don't even have a sting to go along with this. I was going to like home some music or something, but nothing came to my head. I had no inspiration. So I was like, I'm not going to make myself look like an idiot. But a sting right here would have been perfect. Of course, comments. There you go. Done.
01:42:49
Speaker
Let's see if I remember that for next time. I can just isolate it and we'll just throw it in there. Perfect. Perfect. Okay. I need to stop laughing or I'm going to need my inhaler. All right. At the beginning of the episode where it's got the long shot in the hallway, he said, that's a really big hallway.
01:43:19
Speaker
Thanks Cory. After has the shot of the mom and dad after he's climbing back into bed after taking care of little Nell and it's got the overhead shot of them chatting. He said, why do couples on TV and movies always sleep in a queen bed? Is it just easier to shoot? Do they just get better angles?
01:43:45
Speaker
What's so bad about sleeping on queen beds? I've got a queen bed. I don't know. We've been sleeping in a king sized bed for years and I'm never going back to a queen. Never ever.
01:43:55
Speaker
Honestly, I would not be opposed to a king size man. And this last one is the last comment I got from him because after the sequence he fell asleep and snored through the rest of the episode. It was the shot of Theodora at the club like that first shot where the crowd parts and you can see her and like all her beautifulness because she is stunning.
01:44:19
Speaker
looks at her and he said, is she wearing suspenders? That was Corey's comments. Thank you, Corey. We appreciate you. But she is, she's like wearing suspenders, but they're like clipped onto her, her pants and the hanging down. So
Character Traits and Family Dynamics
01:44:41
Speaker
they're not as well as, as well as the gloves, you know, she's gotta have the gloves. Oh, I miss the gloves. Amazing.
01:44:48
Speaker
So with this being Steven's episode, how do we, how do we feel about Steven? Uh, you know, he has a little bit of redemption.
01:45:05
Speaker
You know, I do like that he was taking care of Nell in the middle of the night. He was really sweet with Luke. And then even at the end of the episode, he was really sweet with Luke again and making sure that he had what he needed to take care of himself. But then all the other stuff with the woman who was telling her story, him being very dismissive of other people's experiences in the house, how he talked to the oldest sister.
01:45:33
Speaker
I'm going to give him like a 6.5, 6.5. That's high. I was really out of 10. I was thinking like a 4.0. Well, adult him kind of sucks right now, but childhood him like when, when kids are usually really mean to their siblings, he was very sweet and caring. Yeah, that's true. So that's, that's why I'm getting most, most of that rating is going to, to little Steven, not to grown up Steven. Okay.
01:46:03
Speaker
I can appreciate that. But I'm excited to get into the other characters as well, because everyone has their own little episode. But we will be kind of exploring character arcs, because it's very focused around this family. How have they changed from the beginning of the season to the end of the season? What do they want? What are their motives? What do they struggle with and everything like that?
01:46:32
Speaker
So this being Steven's episode, Steven really is kind of distancing himself from his family, like we talked about. He's capitalizing on his family's trauma for his own gain, even though he's also willing to try to give them money for it as well, maybe because he feels guilty about it, maybe.
01:46:52
Speaker
But he also has a little bit of redemption like we said where he gives money to Luke and just doesn't get too angry at Luke for stealing his stuff. But he also just is very dismissive about everyone's experiences. He's very kind of self-centered right now.
01:47:11
Speaker
Even in that conversation with Lee where he's been like, hey, can we talk about this? It's very clear that he hasn't changed because he doesn't have anything new to say to her and she doesn't have anything to say to him. And she's like, what's the point?
01:47:27
Speaker
So that's that's where Steven is starting out at. That's where we what we understand about him. We don't really get too much about all the other characters, just that Shirley is seeing maybe a little stuck up right now, kind of high and mindy, but it's not really her episode. So we're not too familiar with her. She's comfortable with death.
01:47:51
Speaker
especially when it comes to like open viewings and everything, the way she talked to the kid who was having issues with, oh, he sees his grandma. So why do they need to do this viewing? And Theo is very cold right now. She's very closed off. She's not emotionally available.
01:48:12
Speaker
She's close with Shirley right now, I guess just because they live close to each other and they're able to talk. She doesn't have the best relationship with Nell right now because something happened that we don't know about. Luke is an addict that we know of and we don't really know much else.
01:48:31
Speaker
Nell, we understand before the events at the end of the episodes, we understand that she probably was struggling mentally and that she was probably very needy with her family and probably exhausted everybody, but specifically Steven.
01:48:52
Speaker
And Hugh is alone, kind of away from his kids, which makes me very sad. But he's also very willing, in an instant, to just hop on a plane and go to any one of them in need. And he's trying to hold his family together. He's trying to get Stephen to look out for his sister.
01:49:14
Speaker
Um, and he's, but he's not being over pairing at all. And, um,
Conclusion and Future Podcast Directions
01:49:19
Speaker
that's so far, that's where we are with all the characters and we'll kind of explore where they go and how, how do they learn and, and everything like that. So yeah.
01:49:32
Speaker
Nice. That was a great breakdown. Thank you. My first episode, hopefully it wasn't terrible. No, it was great. It was great. There's a lot to unpack in all of these episodes. So I'm anticipating that.
01:49:44
Speaker
Most, if not all, are going to be a little bit extra long, so enjoy. A lot more than Midnight Club. Yeah, but we kind of knew that. We were even expecting to fit two episodes in one sometimes, but there's a lot of depth to that show. So I don't know what we're going to do with Midnight Mass. There's so much. Maybe two episodes per TV episode.
01:50:11
Speaker
Maybe three, I don't know, because there's a lot and it's beautiful. Maybe we won't have to be able to do like a big summary, maybe just point out key events that happened and talk about the most important things. I feel like these first seasons that we're going through are giving us a good basis for
01:50:30
Speaker
how we develop as podcasters and we'll find our comfortable spot probably within the season and next season when we talk about Blind Manor. So um oh and then we get to decide where we're gonna put in Fall of Usher. Oh that's exciting. Are we gonna do that after Midnight Mass?
01:50:54
Speaker
I don't know. There's no rules here. It's our podcast. Cause that one, Nope, not going to do it. All right. I'm not even going to, I'm not even going to say if like, there's lots to talk about or not because it's, I can't, Oh my gosh. I'm just going to say midnight mass is so much deeper than every other series. Okay.
01:51:22
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I'm ready. I'm ready. It's great. But we'll thank you all for listening to this first episode of A Haunting of Hill House. Steven sees a ghost. I hope everybody is entertained by us so you come back for the next one.
01:51:38
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where we can, uh, make fools of ourselves some more. Hopefully I don't, I don't ruin the, the vibes. I feel like we had great vibes. No, this is great. No, this is great. No, this is great. Our cringe is your cringe. Just kidding. We're not, you've not been cringy at all. I probably have. No, I'll own it. I will own it. It's okay. I think that wraps things up. I think we're good.
01:52:09
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That's great. Thanks for joining us, everybody. Please catch us again on episode two of season two of Fans of Flanagan, Haunting of Hill House. Until then, take care. Bye. Bye.
01:52:41
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you