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The Two Faces, Part One
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We're back, with episode 3 of The Haunting of Bly Manor! Tune in and listen to our review of the third installment of our current obsession. And what does ChatGPT say about this episode?
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Introduction to 'Fans of Flanagan'
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Speaker
Welcome back, everyone, to our show. I am Laura. And I'm Noah. And this is Fans of Flanagan. Today, we are continuing on with our ah look at the Haunting of Blind Manner. This is episode three, the Two Faces, part one.
Struggles with Motivation and Momentum
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um
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Noah, how have you been this week? You know, not too bad. Not too bad. I'm trying to get to the gym more and and run more and it's hard because I wake up and I just want to continue laying in bed. so Yeah.
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I understand that, but it isn't funny how like the momentum kind of like helps. So like, if you stay in bed, you're going to stay in bed, but you get moving and you get moving. That was so profound of me. Wow. Stay in bed. You stay in bed. It's just like, it's just so like some weeks it's hard to find the motivation to just start moving. Absolutely. yeah You feel better when you do though, huh?
00:01:29
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Kind of have to play mind games with ourselves. Well, good. What have you been watching?
AMC A-List and 'Wicked' Experience
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Speaker
I went, actually, um before that, Jacqueline and I had decided that we were going to finally get AMC A-list, which is, yeah you know, for those who don't know, you pay like 20 bucks a month. 20? Like 2022. Why? Is it higher?
00:01:58
Speaker
No, I, no, I don't know. No, it's it's like 20, $22. I'm just asking it. Like, is it worth it? I think so because the main perk, the reason why we got it is because it's three movies a week that you get to see for free. And it doesn't matter if it's like IMAX, Dolby, 3D. Yeah. So like whatever's in the theater right now.
00:02:22
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Yeah, I could pick a movie right now and go see it, which I honestly was thinking about doing after we recorded. but you see it And for free. Well, not for free because I paid the 20 bucks a month. But wait, are you saying like in the theater? Yeah. So you get to just go to the theater three times a week for 20 bucks a month. Yep.
00:02:47
Speaker
Got it. That's awesome. Yeah. I thought it was just like a streaming thing, like you're watching everything from home. Oh, no, no. um Yeah. It's the theater chain AMC. So very cool. Yeah. And we used it yesterday for the first time to go watch Wicked because Jacqueline was very excited to see it. Yeah.
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It was good. It was enjoyable. um There was one moment in particular that like got to me and made it made me do like the man cry. or It's like the one tear coming down. You got to inconspicuously like wipe that away and then make it seem like I'm not wiping over your tear. I'm just. Oh, it's allergies. yeah It's allergies. um No, i and I enjoyed it, but i even though I did have like some issues with the movie itself, I thought it was it felt very long, the pacing was off. I was more interested in, um for those who know,
00:03:54
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those two at the school, because it's Galinda and Alfelba, the Wicked Witch, ah in terms of Wizard Oz, um they meet going to this like magic school.
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and watching them go from kind of like enemies to like best friends was was kind of fun to see and they
'Wicked' - Performances and Differences
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had they they had really good chemistry on screen not in a romantic sense but just a very good like bouncing off of each other and um Ariana Grande, you can say but what you want about her as a person, but I enjoyed her performance in this movie. and and And she was kind of funny. If you want to know what it's like being married to a Leo. Watch this. You'll understand.
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um
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I've never wondered that once in my life.
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Yeah, it was a solid watch. Had you seen the Broadway show? No, but I kind of want to. Okay. just to the kind of see, because I've heard good things about the Broadway, the Broadway show. And by the way, again, regardless of what you think about Cynthia Rivo, and all the kind of like, the way she made during the press.
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um As a performer, I think she's great. Oh, my word. Yeah, I think she earned her spot. Wow. And Ariana Grande. She's an amazing performer too. I've always thought so.
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Yeah. Wow. Some of the musical numbers in that movie were just spectacular. And I'm not just talking about Defying Gravity, which is like one of the popular songs. I think that's I only know of two of the songs from the show, from the musical. And those are the two. Because I haven't seen it. I haven't seen the movie yet. Yeah. Defying Gravity. and pop Because Defying Gravity was everywhere when the Broadway show first came out.
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I was going to say something, but I can't remember now. So go ahead. Excuse me. I think the song that it was like one of the early songs, I think it's the wizard and I, the wizard and me or something like that. I was like, wow, this girl can really sing. So that was a good watch. It was a good watch.
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Oh good. Just so you know, the book is not the same vibe as the musical. Not at all. Oh no. No. i I picked it up forever ago when I was working at at Barnes & Noble. I can't remember if it was the first few years I was working but a lot of people were buying that book and talking about how good it is and I think it has like a sequel or some other sort of like book in the series but I was fascinated with it because I'm like oh it's kind of like a ah prequel to The Wizard of Oz and I love, I love a prequel.
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And I couldn't get into it. But then I heard later that it has a lot of ah adult content in it. So any parents out there whose children love the musical don't don't go pick up the book with and I don't even know why. I mean, I kind of understand why but they put the movie cover on the book as they do. But it's not the same. It's a whole different like ah age that it's appropriate for. Just fair warning for people out there, because a lot of people do they see a movie ah or a TV show and then they run to get the book. And in this case, ah just be aware. So um that's awesome. I do want to go see it.
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I don't recommend a chance to, but yeah, for sure. That's awesome. So what have you been watching?
Recent Watches and Performances
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Well, what's it the next movie you're going to go see on your pass? I think I'm going to try to go see gladiator.
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I don't know when I'll be able to go see it um since we're going on this trip, but it should still be in theaters by the time we get back. So maybe I'll go see it. I've been wanting to see heretic. I want to see conclave. So maybe I'll see me. We'll see those soon.
00:08:41
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Okay, I don't know about Conclave. You talked about the other ones. Yeah, the premise for for Conclave is, um it's Ralph Fiennes, by the way, which anything that he's in, I am on board because I just love watching that man work.
00:08:59
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His name is spelled Ralph, but everybody calls him Rafe. Yeah, I don't know why. Maybe it's, ah is it French or is he pretentious? i but He's or but British, doesn't he? I'm just kidding. I just mean like the name. of Maybe his parents are French and he was raised being called Rafe, but that would be hilarious, yeah respectfully, if he was raised as Ralph and then, you know, his screen name is now Rafe.
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a No, he's a fantastic actor. I only think the best of him, like his portrayals and everything is good. He's so good. It's I think it just speaks to the level of actor that he is. That. He doesn't get more attention for his role as Voldemort, I think. I don't I don't know if people whenever they say his name, they immediately think of Voldemort. I don't know if that's true.
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But I mean, I do. Okay. But it's got Stanley Tucci. Mm hmm. John Lithgow. I love him in serious roles. I love him in comedies, but I also love him in serious roles. Mm hmm. I just love watching him work. I really enjoyed him in Bruges. I don't know if you saw him Bruges. No. That's a good watch.
00:10:25
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Yeah, well, his performance in Harry Potter as Voldemort was fantastic. He could have been over the top. He could have made it silly, but he played it so straight, just like a villain to his core, that I remember watching those in the theaters as they came out. Yes, that's how old I am. um And being a little scared of him, like, oh my gosh.
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um
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So i I love that he agreed to do that role because I don't know who else could have pulled that off so convincingly. I really liked him in the menu. Have you seen that one? I haven't watched that yet. I haven't watched it yet. I haven't watched it yet. I want to. I'm going to.
00:11:16
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All right. Can you give me a favor? When you do watch it, whenever, whenever it happens, no, they may not. I will. I will. Cause I'll probably want to talk about it. I need you to like live text me because there's a moment in there where something happens. Okay. That's enough. I will guess the moments if I will guess, if you tell me there's a plot twist, I will figure it out. And that is so irritating because I like to be surprised. I don't like figuring it out and being right.
00:11:44
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i really don't Wait a second. Hold on. They made another Macbeth with Ralph Fiennes. And Denzel? Is that the one you're talking about?
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I don't think so. I don't see Denzel on the. It's a 2024 Macbeth. It looks like kind of a modern.
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Is it coming out yet? I don't know. It says 2024.
00:12:23
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Interesting. Okay. What I have been watching and I want you to to do something with me. It'll take just a couple of minutes. Pull up Netflix on your phone. Okay. I just want your reaction. Just your raw reaction and see. I just want to see if it matches mine. Okay. Ted Danson just dropped a new show. The writers of The Good Place.
00:12:43
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A new show. I'm like, done. Let's go. Called Man on the Inside. So I want you to pull up episode one. You can put the audio. It's not going to be long enough for us to get in trouble. And just play the first two-ish, two and a half minutes. And just so we don't have dead air, you can put the audio up. um And I just want you to watch that first little snippet. This is Man on the Inside, and turning the opening scene.
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Hello.
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Hello, everyone. Hello. I'm Charles Neuendijk. I'm Victoria's husband.
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question Many of you have asked me the last three months is this. How did you know? How did you know this woman was the one for you? You're nothing alike, you said.
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And it's not that those things aren't true because they are. But the reason I knew she was the one for me is the second I met her, I had a thought.
Ted Danson's New Show - First Impressions
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It was persistent to stop, wouldn't leave my head. This is the person I want to grow old with. What do you say you think?
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and grow with me
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Don't tell me it's like an up situation.
00:15:17
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So that's what you've been watching, the man on the inside? A man on the inside. I am three episodes in. I just started it yesterday, but that opening sequence, I was like, okay, I'm crying.
00:15:31
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It took you two minutes to make me cry. So just just to explain. So Ted Danson has that whole speech at his wedding. And then the next shot after he says, will you grow old with me as him old alone?
00:15:48
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no It was just a sweet moment. I thought you'd appreciate. I did. Yeah.
00:15:59
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I don't know when I'll get to it. Cause I feel like I have a lot to watch, but it's it's cute. It's not anything that I'm like, you have to watch it now. it'ske It's cute. It's a, it's a fun show. So, um, I have only three episodes in, but you know, um, but that opening sequence was, was really like, it got me. What else have you been watching? Um,
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Oh, on HBO. The.
00:16:42
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Where are you? The Dune prequel.
Diving into the 'Dune' Prequel
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Oh, OK. What is it called? I knew I would. Dune prophecy? and Yeah. Dune prophecy. It is. It's called the Dune Prophecy or the Dune Prophecy. But yeah, it's really well done. I'm not that far into it. um You have to pay attention. And I started watching it when I was not in the mood to pay attention. so Let me see how far I've gotten because I know I... Oh, one episode. It's a long episode.
00:17:24
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Yeah, that episode was an hour, hour long. Is it just the first episode out right now?
00:17:37
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Maybe, because I know. Yeah, because everything else on the list is just bonus content. It's just the first episode. so Okay. There it is. I'm like, I haven't watched anymore. Well, I couldn't even if I tried. But ah Kathy Bates is in a new show called Matlock.
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That one, I don't know about. um It's this older retired woman kind of ah works her way into a law firm um and kind of gets them to hire her because she's a retired lawyer or something. And then there's a twist at the end of the episode. And I don't know if I'm on board with the twist, with like her motivations for joining the law firm and kind of weaseling. I don't want to say weaseling. She was really clever about it.
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But Matlock is her last name at the job, but it's not her real last name. Like basically everything she told them at the law firm is a lie about her background. She says she's like a widow. She's not a widow. She says she needs the money. She doesn't really need the money. And then her motivations for it. I'm like, uh, I don't know.
00:18:51
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um But it's kind of a plot twist, so I don't really want to expose that for anybody that wants to watch it. It's not a bad watch. I was just disappointed in it. I feel like it could have really been more
00:19:09
Speaker
Sorry, I'm getting a text from my husband's company's HR guy. I already told him to not text this number. This is Dylan with the HR team. I was given two receipts for you. This is like the previous one. What are the reasons for the reimbursement for these receipts? And I said, hi, please text Corey at this number. Thanks. And he goes, my apologies. And then here he is texting me again. Dylan, this is not his number.
00:19:36
Speaker
I don't know. I'm like his emergency contact probably, but Dylan needs to get his act together. Come on, Dylan. You can do it, Dylan. Jeez. um So right now I'm just kind of like starting shows and quitting them. So I don't know if I'm going to go back and watch any more Matlock. I started watching season two of The Devil's Hour. That show is pretty cool. It's kind of like a crime ish drama with like a multiverse twist, multiple lifetimes, timelines, whatever. So that one is interesting. But again, I have to really pay attention to it. I talked about the edge of sleep before. I really want to keep watching that one. But if I watch it at nighttime, I get a little disturbed.
00:20:18
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the way the Not that it's very scary, it's just unsettling how they put it together. And the main actor in it, he's really good. And I had said before that it feels kind of like an independent or low budget show, but then they have like these really expensive shots and graphics.
00:20:36
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um So it's hard to it's hard to like kind of get a read on this show. But the but supporting character, is he overacts a little bit, which kind of adds to my the theory of low budget, um respectfully. like he It's fine. But he kind of is a little distracting. But the main actor, he has this. I want to get his name up real quick, I'm sorry.
00:21:06
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um He has this like really deep like resounding voice and it's a fantastic voice. His name is Dave Torres. No it's not. His name is Mark Fischbach. Dave Torres is the character name. His voice is like really resonant but amongst all the other voices in the episodes it sounds like his voice is ADR'd the whole time.
00:21:37
Speaker
And so that kind of is a little distracting. But other than that, I i i know what happens in the show because i I listened to the podcast. And I think it might even be the same cast. No, just the same. Just Mark is the same guy from the podcast, which it works in the podcast, but in the show, it's just a little distracting.
00:22:04
Speaker
I think that's about it that I've been watching and I gave you a couple of assignments. I don't know if you got to them at all. Oh, I started a high potential and I quit because that one was getting a little silly.
00:22:19
Speaker
My parents said and they watched that one and they love it. it was It's an interesting concept, but it's so I don't know what word to use. She's supposed to be like the main
Critique of 'High Potential'
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character. She's supposed to be this like super genius, right? ah Single mom, kind of super genius. And so she gets roped into helping detectives, kind of like a Sherlock Holmes situation, a consulting detective. But then she's so knowledgeable about like everything on the planet.
00:22:48
Speaker
because she's like got an IQ of 100 million or whatever. But then all these little police procedures, she's completely ignorant of. And I'm like, you like solving puzzles, which to me, I like solving puzzles too, which is why I like kind of watching Dateline in 2020 and like you know true crime here and there, because I like figuring it out.
00:23:11
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ah And so along the way, you kind of pick up like police procedure, like what's accurate and what's not, especially when you watch a fictionalized show. So in this show, she has no idea how police procedure works. And I'm like, I call BS. That is that is that would that's not really what would have happened. I don't think so.
00:23:33
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So I kind of quit that show like mid episode, episode six. I'm like, I'm done.
00:23:43
Speaker
I honestly can't remember. I'm so sorry. But the, the homework that you gave me, you have to watch the ring. Right. Right. And at least the first two to three episodes of lost. Okay.
00:24:01
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because then you'll get hooked and then that will that will be your obsession for a minute. It's really good.
'Scott Pilgrim' - A Son's Obsession
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I'm writing it down so I don't forget. Hey, good for you.
00:24:18
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Cause my mind is, I forget that I can write things down if that's not the most ADHD thing. Like, i'm like, okay, I have to remember I need these five things from the store and I'm going to remember that I need five so that I don't forget anything. But then I get there and I'm like, what was the thing? I know I need five. I only have three anyway. And then later on, I'm like, I could have written that down. I forgot that that was an option.
00:24:43
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And then you're like, Oh, next time I'll be sure to write it down. So I won't forget. And then the next time we're like, I won't forget. I know what I need. And you forget. Yep. It's, it's that cycle. Exactly. um I showed my son Scott Pilgrim versus the world, the movie for the first time. He's 16. And now it's his whole personality, um which I kind of anticipated. And he's obsessed with the animation, the anime show on Netflix. And now he wants the books.
00:25:20
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nice so that's probably going on his christmas list and if anybody hasn't seen scott program versus the world it's so good i really enjoy it like what are the specifications that i think of every time I hear the name of the movie is. um Bread makes you fat.
00:25:48
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ah
00:25:51
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Who's Macaulay Culkin's brother? kan Kieran Kieran Kieran Culkin. Yeah. He answers the door to knives. Yeah. And he's like, Scott's not here right now. And you just see him like fly off the window. He just left. He just left. I love it. It's like the most ridiculous movie, but it's all man yeah but it's so good. It's so good. Yeah. Kieran is his name.
00:26:25
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You were V gone, but now you will be gone.
00:26:33
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I her to Jacqueline a little bit ago and she's like, what is this? sorry It's awesomeness. She was not into it. I'm like, come on now, you're watching. Oh, it's fun.
00:26:48
Speaker
So watch those cheesy shows like there's a spinoff of Grey's Anatomy. That's like a fire department. I can't remember what the name of it is. It has a spinoff. Yeah, there's like a fire fighter show that connects with Grey's Anatomy. Oh, goodness. Yeah. And that show is still going, huh? Grey's Anatomy is. Yeah. Going, isn't it? Yeah, it hasn't been canceled. I've not watched a full episode of that. I.
00:27:20
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Understand. I understand.
00:27:26
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But I just can't get into it. it's It feels too much. But if you want a shorter series that's on the same level, Offspring from Australia is fantastic.
00:27:41
Speaker
Okay. The last season or two that kind of jumped the shark, but that's kind of what happens when a drama like that goes on for a little bit too long. You can only introduce so many lost siblings and pregnancies and deaths, you know, in that cycle so many times before it gets a little played out. But I think that's also why I don't really want to get into grazing out of it.
00:28:05
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When things get boring, someone dies. When things get boring, someone's pregnant. When things get boring, somebody either comes back from the dead, or there's a long lost sibling, or a long lost parent, or an ex shows up. like It just kind of cycles through those things. I'm sorry if that just ruined all dramas for everybody, but that's what it is. All right, 28 minutes in. Are you ready? to I was just about to say the same thing. It's been about 30 minutes. You're ready to go.
00:28:32
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You guys can just like skip this unless you enjoy it. Let us know.
00:28:39
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So again, I went to chat GPT the almighty and I asked it to break down episode three. This time I said, please break it down in detail again with a humorous tone. And it gave me, it gave me, I don't know if you can see, uh, headings this time and paragraphs. Interesting.
00:29:00
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Okay, so a completely different format from last time.
Humorous Recap of Bly Manor Episode 3
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um But it's not too long. So it gives me. All right. All right. Buckle up for a hilariously spooky breakdown of episode three of The Haunting of Bly Manor, the two faces, part one, opening scene, Danny drowning in drama and her own reflection, which that was not the opening scene up together. Come on now. jack we had be We opened with Danny our favorite walking bag of trauma trying to settle into her new blind man or nanny life TM. It put a trademark on blind man or nanny life.
00:29:42
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Except, of course, she's still haunted by Mr. Glowy Glass's ghost who's always lurking in the news, like he's auditioning for a horror themed optometry commercial. Danny tries to shake it off because who has time for existential dread when there are creepy children to babysit? It seems like it's just kind of overviewing the whole show with a little bit that's relevant to just this episode.
00:30:08
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This is fun. The Tale of the Faceless Dolls. Flora, the poster child for unsettling perfection, has a collection of handmade dolls that would make Annabelle look cuddly. These dolls are scattered around the manor like an unholy Easter egg hunt.
00:30:24
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And naturally one of them is a faceless figure which Flora lovingly refers to as just someone who likes to stay in the shadows, you know, as one does. Totally normal, right? Dani? Not so much. She's one perfectly splendid away from packing her bags. I don't remember her saying that. ah The Peter Quint problem trademark.
00:30:47
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It says t m TM. TM. TM. I didn't know that chat GPT could trademark things, but fantastic. We learned more about Peter Quint, the manners, former valet and current reigning champion of quote, sketchiest employee award end quote. Everyone seems to agree that Peter was bad news, but Owen delivers the gossip with the casual energy of someone talking about burnt toast.
00:31:13
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Oh, Peter? Yeah, he's the worst anyway. More tea? Meanwhile, Danny's like, wait, is this mansion haunted by one ghost or two? Do I get hazard pay for this? Hannah, queen of gaslighting herself. Hannah Gross, the housekeeper with the inexplicable ability to never eat or drink anything on screen, continues to be delightfully enigmatic. She spends this episode vibing between wise guardian and mystical puzzle piece. She's also seen staring into space so often you half expect someone to slap her and yell, focus. Something is definitely up with her, but for now we're left guessing.
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Flora, Miles, and all the creepy vibes. Miles, fresh from his Catholic boarding school expulsion, is clearly up to something. This kid alternates between being a charming mini-adult and a full-blown creeper. When he quotes Marcus Aurelius at Danny, she's half-impressed, half-concerned. Mostly concerned, though, because let's be honest, quoting ancient philosophies that your nanny is a solid red flag for possession.
00:32:16
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Which kind of matches my theory. yeah episode Flora, meanwhile, continues to be the queen of eeriness. She warns Danny not to move her dolls as if disobeying will unleash some kind of chucky level chaos. Danny shrugs it off because she hasn't seen enough horror movies to know better. Ghost games begin. Things heat up when Danny starts noticing figures skulking around the property. Is it a ghost? Is it Peter Quint? Is it both? All she knows is that it's ruining her vibe.
00:32:44
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At one point she literally walks out into the fog to confront the mysterious figure because apparently stay inside where it's safe isn't in her vocabulary. Of course she finds nothing because ghosts have mastered the art of dramatic entrances and exits.
00:32:59
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The graveyard shift. Dani discovers some gravestones on the property and decides to make her own Scooby-Doo investigation. Turns out this house isn't just haunted by ghosts, it's haunted by generations of bad decisions. Every family member buried here has a backstory juicier than a soap opera. The episode cliffhanger, the closet call, and then it talks about her being locked in the closet? That didn't happen in this episode. No, and I was gonna say a lot if It felt like maybe it got the wrong episode or something. I don't know if it's like pulling elements from from the whole series instead of just this episode and then it adds a little bit of things that only happen in this episode. Yeah. um
00:33:44
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So, and then it says final thoughts. Episode three keeps the suspense rolling while layering in just the right amount of what the heck is happening humor between faceless dolls, philosophical 10 year olds and mysterious graveyards. You can't help but laugh at the absurdity while simultaneously clutching a pillow in terror. Bly manner where every episode is perfectly splendid, but in the most unsettling way possible. That is accurate though. I think that's what we've been saying that it's like,
00:34:13
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beautiful but it's scary yeah hauntingly beautiful hauntingly beautiful yeah gothic yes you think that's also a right term yeah yeah it's like a gothic love story yes all right now we can go into my notes
00:34:38
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Thank you, AI overlords. We appreciate you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Please please remember my loyalty in the upcoming war. And thank you, Beyonce. You have to thank AI and then you have to thank Beyonce.
00:35:01
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I'm glad you get why I said that.
00:35:05
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I too. And it's the freakiest conspiracy theory. It's so freaky. It is so disturbing.
Analysis of Bly Manor Episode 3
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Anyway, episode three. Anyway, Beyonce, I know I've never downloaded any of your music, but love you. ah say taxes This ain't This ain't This ain't whole town. We go down, down, down, down, down. That doesn't catch your song, won't it?
00:35:39
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All right. So my actual notes. The story continues with Miles on the floor and Danny is exclaiming that he's awake and they can see Luke but not Luke app appearing in the window. The next scene we're flashing back I think and we see this character Luke not Luke buying a suit. um Also I love the 80s music that they throw in there. Oh it was um oh I forget the name of the song but it was like it's like a
00:36:14
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look at a pesh mode or something, something British. It's going to drive me crazy. Because I really enjoyed it. Anyway, go ahead. um Anyway, Luke, not Luke, goes into the office of someone that we don't see because he is asleep at his desk. ah And it's the children's uncle. And it's presumed that he's like drunk. He wakes up and they discuss a possible new au pair. Luke, not Luke, is called Peter Quintin.
00:36:44
Speaker
We meet Miss Rebecca Jessel, the former au pair before Dani. She's interviewing for the job with the uncle and with Peter. fast forward and Danny is explaining to a police officer in the house that who she saw on the window is possibly Peter Quint and he had like a picture of him um in like a police file. Why the policeman okay why would the policeman bring that file unless it was like from the house because it was report it looked like a police
00:37:16
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like a ah ah ah report right and it had like a picture paperclip to it so he hears there's a disturbance and he comes with the peter quint file to the house but okay the song is tainted love by the way Yes. Which matches perfectly with my thoughts on this episode. Anyway. Hey, it was probably on purpose.
00:37:48
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All right. They explained that, yeah, Quint stole the money from the uncle and that he's probably on the other side of the world so it really couldn't be him that they saw. The policeman is very dismissive and doesn't think that there's anybody there or if there was he got scared off by the lights and then ah Danny is insistent that there's somebody there and the policeman said, I did a sweep. Danny decides to do her own sweep of the property.
00:38:16
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Flashing back, this has a lot of back and forth. Peter is driving the new Alpere to the Manor. ah Rebecca and Luke pull up to the house and Rebecca meets the children and they are very sweet. They compare her to Mary Poppins. And Rebecca says that she's not practically perfect, but she is perfectly splendid. And Flora takes that saying and runs with it. Peter hands Miles a lighter.
00:38:43
Speaker
And Flora takes Rebecca on a tour of the statue garden. We fast forward back to Danny walking in the same statue garden with a flashlight doing her own perimeter sweep runs right into the gardener Jamie who is doing her own sweep with a shotgun. They go into a church into the church and the gardener blows out the candles.
00:39:02
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I couldn't remember their name, so sometimes I'll go back and interject the names. Sometimes I'm like the gardener, the cook. Yeah, I do the same. A lot of times I'll do it by their last name, but her name is Jamie. Yeah, like Mrs. Gross, because that's what they call her all the time. Yeah, her name is Jamie. So Jamie and Danny are in the church, and they blow out the candles that Hannah had left burning.
00:39:27
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back in the house everyone is having hot chocolate and the children ask the staff for ah the staff that just kind of like all the grown-ups because it's not that they're relatives it's not their uncle that's there it's like these random grown-ups all there with these two children Anyway, it's a weird dynamic, but here we are. um they ask the The children ask them to all sleep over, and I didn't even think about it, but I guess the only people that really stay over are Hannah, who's the housekeeper, and Danny. um Everybody else goes home at night.
00:40:02
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um
00:40:05
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Flora mentions that Hannah has not been drinking her hot chocolate. and As the children are asleep, the adults discuss the situation about Luke possibly being on the property and that maybe he's the one behind all the prank calls. They mentioned that Peter might not know that Rebecca had actually died, that maybe he's kind of like hoping that she's still there trying to still get in contact with her. And they're like, we don't want to be the person that that tells her that tells him that she's dead.
00:40:35
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Yeah, I think in that same scene when the adults are are all talking by the fireplace. I don't know if that conversation happened. um But it continues the theme, not the theme, but the instance where like,
00:40:53
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Oh, Flora said hey to Miss Gross, hey, are you going to drink that? And she takes her hot chocolate in the scene where the adults are all by the fireplace. Jamie comes over, grabs the cup from Miss Gross's hands and takes away and drinks it. And we don't see your drink at all. Anyway. Yeah. No, you're right.
00:41:16
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I keep looking for her to actually be eating, but every time there's food in front of her, she is just kind of pushing it around or she says she's not hungry. There's always some reason that she's not eating. It's real easy to miss.
00:41:32
Speaker
All right, where we are we at? So flashback to Rebecca playing with Flora and her little dolls. Peter comes in and gives Flora some flowers and then Flora gives a flower to Rebecca. Peter starts talking to Miles about keys and that there are different keys for people like their uncle. His key is money.
00:41:56
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um So basically the motivation is another word for it like what's somebody's motivation for doing things and then once you figure out their motivation, I think he was explaining you can kind of manipulate them into doing whatever it is that you want them to do, you just have to unlock that key.
00:42:12
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um It's the evening time and Rebecca invites Peter to stay in from the storm instead of leave and to have some tea. Rebecca talks about the muddy footprints in the hallway and having to clean it up. Luke, I said, Luke, Peter asks, what does Rebecca want with her life? Also, he's so handsome when he's not like a withdrawing jugggie drunkki druggie junkie He's a very handsome guy when he's all cleaned up. I will say.
00:42:44
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like the chest here was a little much when we get there. I didn't know that. Oh my gosh.
00:42:55
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I didn't even notice. Here, I'll try to pull it up for you. Okay. Anyway. Anyway, so Peter asks, what does Rebecca want with her life? And she says that she had wanted to be a barrister, not just a solicitor, but a barrister. I don't know in English speak, but what does that mean? No idea.
00:43:20
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Is it like the difference between an attorney and a lawyer? Cause I just learned that there's a difference. And I asked my brother who is an attorney, is there a difference between an attorney and a lawyer? And he's like, yeah, I just learned that a couple of months ago. It's like, so all attorneys are lawyers, but not all lawyers are attorneys or something weird getaway around. But yeah, it's not a big difference, but apparently it's a difference. Where am I?
00:43:47
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I lost my spot. Oh, there I am. They continue having a late night chat, a lot of deep thoughts, and I think they like each other. Hmm. Maybe. Fast forwarding while Noah looks for Peter's chest hair, the adults are still chatting about the Peter Rebecca situation. I found it. Okay, I'm ready. I don't know if you can see that very well. Do I need to turn on the mirrors?
00:44:19
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Maybe.
00:44:24
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ah and oh if you ye No, I got it. I got it. If you go to about 20 minutes left in the episode, it's there. ah Okay. All right. Anyway, I know what scene that is.
00:44:41
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ah The adults are talking about the how the whole situation with him stealing all the money and running away doesn't make any sense and in that he didn't take Rebecca with him. um Jamie makes a comment about people mixing up love and possession and Danny really takes on to that saying and agrees with it.
00:45:01
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They put the children to bed and then we see Danny in her bed staring at the round glasses on her nightstand. She rolls over and there is a very real scratched up a hand, it's like bloody, in her bed. She starts to panic a bit and closes her eyes until it disappears.
00:45:20
Speaker
Flashing back. The children are arguing during a card game with Rebecca and and Peter is also there. He says he is staying over for a few days arranged by the uncle. I don't really remember why.
00:45:33
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um
00:45:36
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But now it's nighttime and Rebecca hears something in the hallway. She opens her door and surprise. It's Peter outside her door. Peter. they You know what? I was trying to do like the family below. Pita. Pita.
00:45:54
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is Anyway, they you know what, fast forward to the next morning. ah Danny wakes up and Jamie is on the sofa sleeping and Hannah is in the church lighting some candles. Owen enters the church and offers to stay on the property for a few days. And it's almost kind of like Owen and Hannah like each other a little bit.
00:46:16
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um Which, by the way, I don't know what this means. um We can kind of make a guess based off of what we know what happens. Okay. um The candles that she's lighting, she always lights four of them. Are they the same ones like each time? I don't know. I didn't go back and look at the previous episodes, but In that scene, three of them are all on the same row with two of them next to each other, a space with one that's not lit and then one lit. And then the space. In between the lit ones, when that isn't lit, the one below it is lit. So it's like three on the same row and then one on the bottom row. That's really interesting.
00:47:06
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I have a theory but I can't say it.
00:47:11
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But we'll keep that in mind for later. So why is there I watching it I was like okay that's intentional of course but maybe like the one that's not lit just doesn't have any more wick in it or something but we will keep that in mind for sure and see if we can figure out the meaning behind that later.
00:47:33
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All right. And she also sees the crack again. Yeah, Owen leaves and Hannah looks at the wall and sees the same pattern of cracks in the church. I think Danny goes to wake up the children. Miles is already awake and dressed. Flora is not in her room. It flashes back to Flora near the pond with a doll and with Rebecca and Peter and Miles are playing catch. Fasting, fasting, fast forwarding, Flora is at the pond with the same doll staring into the water.
00:48:05
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she seems really upset and we can see that she is seeing some sort of apparition of Rebecca as Dani drags her way. They call the doctor who says, well you assume they call the doctor because then you know the doctor is there in the next scene taking the floor's temperature and says she has to kind of rest in bed for the day. Hannah and Dani talk about calling the uncle Oh, they they talk about that they had called the uncle after that episode happened, but the uncle just called the doctor and they're really upset that he's so like distant and separated from these children. There's a weird exchange between them and Miles who says that Flora lies and she hates the lake even though she talks about it all the time. So
00:48:54
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um
00:48:57
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They were um the Dan is that her is her name, Danny, the older one, the up pair. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK. I'm so bad with the names in this season for what I know. Like every time I watch an episode, I have to relearn names. So she's talking with Miss Gross with Hannah and she's like, yeah, I don't know why Flora was down there. She hates the lake. And then. OK, so did I. And then.
00:49:24
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um Myles was like, no she doesn't. by Why should anyone hate a lake? And then he goes, but Flora lies. Got it. Thank you.
00:49:39
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flashing back to Rebecca and Peter who are canoodling in their morning after. Rebecca is trying to get up for the day and Peter is being a little forceful trying to tell her to go back to the bed but she doesn't. Rebecca talks about there being mud in the hall again with footprints. Peter takes her into the closed wing, this is a little bit later I think, to show her something.
00:50:02
Speaker
He shows her that there's a glass of wine with two glasses and there was a little exchange in the kitchen where he had brought the wine up from the cellar and they were like, that's an expensive bottle. um And there's a fur coat laid out on the couch and this is in the parents bedroom.
00:50:18
Speaker
That is supposed to be like a note, which is creepy. Like I wouldn't want to have a romantic exchange in that part of the house. That's so inappropriate. And everything's all dusty too. My allergies could never. Well, he did take the dust covers off of the sofa and the table and the bed.
00:50:40
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my bed
00:50:46
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The fur coat. So there's a fur coat and he says that it's for her, but that's weird because it belonged to the children's mother. And Peter insists that it's fine because she never actually wore it and you should try it on. Then they take Polaroids together.
00:51:03
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But and he says he says he has to she has to experience the fur coat on her skin. So yeah. Yeah. being Being a guy. So she does. So she's wearing the coat, the coat and nothing but the coat.
00:51:23
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And they have another moment and are interrupted by Hannah. Because the children are out on the lawn. They get caught in the bed. Hannah lets Peter know he is being very inappropriate by being in that part of the house.
00:51:40
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At dinner, Peter seems very upset. Owen is helping the kids to make a cake. Owen has everybody tasting the cake batter. In the evening after the children are in bed, Rebecca is expecting to have a rendezvous, but it turns out that Peter is cold and distant and he's packing up to leave. He accuses her of flirting with Owen because he fed her some cake batter. That's a lot of feelings about cake batter. My word, the things that he was saying to her. Love and possession. Oh my word. Yeah, that was. Wow. Intense. Yeah. ah
00:52:19
Speaker
Fast forward, the phone rings. Danny answers. There's no one there. She asks if it's Peter and it hangs up. The children are dressed up very silly and they say that it's story time. And the staff explains to Danny that it's a type of therapy for Flora. And so this everybody's kind of like, oh, yay. Story time. and So they're in the main entrance of the house with chairs set up like a theater and the children are up on the stairs doing their little story time and Flora tells a story about being a cat and there's apples and yarn and she's looking for her mother. Miles tells a very intense story about being a puppet.
00:53:05
Speaker
The phone rings and it's their neighbor. Jamie says sorry to Owen. It might be about his mother. They don't say it, but we can infer that. Hannah whispers something to him as he's leaving and gives Owen a hug. Owen leaves. Jamie and Danny have a weird little moment like they have some chemistry. And then Jamie leaves in her truck. Danny watches her go, then turns around.
00:53:29
Speaker
And there in front of her is not a reflection, but it is the shadowed man with the glasses. And then he like gets sucked away and she starts screaming. The end.
00:53:45
Speaker
So that part was pretty intense. It wasn't really scary. It didn't yeah like have a jump scare. There was kind of one jump scare earlier in the episode. I forget where it was. ah But there was one.
00:54:00
Speaker
But that was kind of a cool effect of like, he looked like the the shadowed reflection that she sees in the mirror, but it was like there in front of her. So overall, what are your thoughts?
00:54:15
Speaker
um i There's a very... every theme in my opinion about love and the different types of love in this episode, at least um something some of the ones that I noticed. And Miles' story also plays an important part, but I will talk about that in a second, but I'll talk about the love.
00:54:37
Speaker
Again, with the lines like love and like love and possession are not the same thing. I think there was a line that said love and ownership are opposites, which I really enjoyed. Yeah, in that conversation.
00:54:50
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Um, like ownership implying control over the other person, um, their, your property, that kind of thing, which I, I really resonated with that because if you truly love someone, obviously it doesn't mean you that old saying like, if you love someone, let them go.
00:55:15
Speaker
That's not exactly what I'm trying to get at but if you love someone you love them for being themselves and Let them be free let them be their own person, but you can love them at the same time um Like don't lose yourself in the relationship, you know, yeah, absolutely So I really enjoyed that
00:55:45
Speaker
There's different types of love in this show and specifically in this episode, we see a toxic sort of love. I wouldn't even call it love. I would call it almost like lust um or something like that between Peter and um the previous au pair, Miss Jessel. I can't remember her first name, Rebecca, I think Rebecca. It's it's very, a very quick sort of explosive kind of start to what would have been a relationship. Right. But again, it was very possessive. He was getting jealous of Owen being very innocent, in my opinion. I mean, usually the love bombing stage takes a little bit longer than that. So he's kind of fast forwarding. Yeah. And those stages.
00:56:44
Speaker
in everything he said to Miles about knowing people's keys and how for most women it's flowers and which means he was manipulating her to get what he wanted. Also, side note, yeah for me it's not flowers. Give me a good steak dinner, but it's not flowers.
00:57:05
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but So everyone knows you can't get Laura at a state dinner and you can pull her strings. no but
00:57:17
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Um, yeah, it's, it's very, it felt very predatory and manipulate manipulative. And I, yeah, he got angry real fast. Yeah. That a lot of people can relate to that kind of relationship. Um,
00:57:35
Speaker
We see the love between Hannah and Owen. I can't. No, it is. Yeah. it's But Owen, it's like it's a budding relationship and it's I think it's an antithesis to Rebecca and Peter. and it's It's kind of it's very slow. It's very innocent. It's very, very subtle, very subtle. um But it's there.
00:58:03
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Um, we have again, the budding relationship between, um,
00:58:09
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well, the current au pair and Danny, dan Danny and the gardener, Jamie, Jamie. We yeah see that starting to bud and everything like that. we We haven't seen really too much, so I can't really speak on that. Um, and then we have the love between the uncle and his niece and nephew, which.
00:58:30
Speaker
Is it really love? Um, like what's going on with that? Cause he seems very neglectful. I'm sure he loves them, but he's very avoidant. It's very avoided. So, um,
00:58:43
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us knowing that this is sort of a love story, it's interesting to notice the different types of love that there are. And if it is a good type of love, that kind of thing, is it love? Is it ownership? Which is which kind of thing? Um,
00:59:02
Speaker
And then you have, as you're talking about the theme of, of this being about love just behind you, it's like a framed collage of pictures of you and your wife that I can see. And it's all in the shape of a heart. and That's really cute. I love that. Oh, love is not easy, by the way. It's, it it doesn't always feel good. It is an action word. Love is a verb.
00:59:35
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And then I want to talk about the story that Miles tells, because it feels very important to not only the plot about what could be happening, but also the themes. There's stories about like puppets and then the puppet master.
00:59:55
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And the gist of it, from what I understood, was the puppets kind of forgot that they had strings because they had too much freedom or something. Yeah. And they just kept laughing at the puppet master or the one who created them. And right. He was mad about that. So he pulled the strings and it hurt. I think that's when the phone goes off.
01:00:17
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um Yeah, it was about that time. I really liked his story and I Didn't go into detail about it, but yeah So cuz I assume if you know you're listening to us you watch What's what yeah But it just like poses kind of more questions and lets someone who's kind of watching it or even like for the first time or even the second kind of speculate hey, what's actually going on here and
01:00:51
Speaker
which is further supporting my idea that I was actually being sort of possessed in some way by Peter. Because it feels like he was adopting or he felt very sympathetic towards the puppet master and that all his puppets were forgetting that they had strings and he was the one who controlled them. So maybe this whole.
01:01:18
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cast and crew are forgetting. But he tells the story from the view of the puppet.
01:01:26
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But like, when he went down the stairs. I'm not disagreeing with you. yeah I'm just saying like, it's interesting. yeah He is telling it from the perspective, but I felt like the perspective switched or a little bit, or at least it was It wasn't painting. I don't know how to to say what I was when I'm thinking. It felt like Miles was kind of relating to the puppet master.
01:01:58
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a little bit and saying that, oh, like he can't believe that the puppets forgot that they had strings and they laughed at him. Okay. I'm going to watch it again and think about that. Yeah. And so we pulled their strings and it hurt. So maybe because Peter's been gone a while, everyone, all the staff has forgotten kind of who is the boss around the house? Because there there's the line earlier when Hannah catches him and he and he's like, you know, I could have you fired. try to Trying to establish control over her. Right. He threatens her. Yeah. And she puts him in his place real fast. I love that. By the way, that was awesome. um She was like, what did I just catch you doing? Excuse me.
01:02:49
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Which, by the way, there was a line in there about Miles saying he had a dream that he hurt Miss Gross, that he hurt Hannah. I miss that.
01:03:03
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So that's further evidence to my theory. Okay, so based on all the clues right now, I agree that there's some sort of possession going on. Now, do we think this is like a total 100% all the time possession? Or do you think it's kind of going in and out and there's moments where whoever is the possessor is in control versus Miles being in control?
01:03:26
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because I was also trying to pay attention to how Miles was behaving um in the flashbacks, and it wasn't too different from the present-day Miles, with the exceptions of those moments where he seems to be a lot older than he is, and say those specific things about you know the quotes and the keys and yeah and the ah flirting with the grown-up.
01:03:53
Speaker
Yeah.
Themes of Love in Bly Manor
01:03:54
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I definitely think that there are moments like, like it's not a all the time possession kind of thing. Um, it's definitely a, it's happening sometimes. Um, again, I can't remember sort of the timeline about when Miles said he had the dream about Ms. Gross. I can't remember if that was with the previous au pair or with the current one. Um,
01:04:20
Speaker
But in a lot of the flashbacks, the one that I specifically remember is the one where he's playing cards. He's playing Go Fish with Miss Jessel and Flora.
01:04:32
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And they're fighting like young siblings do. It doesn't seem out of place. And then when. Oh, geez, what's her name? Well, we can agree that he's probably not possessed in the flashbacks. Probably not. That that's because normal self because but there's something. Well, so you're you're kind of assuming that it's that it's Peter based on Peter's discussion with him about keys.
01:05:04
Speaker
But then there's also the fact that he had that discussion with him about keys. And so ah Miles's perspective later on about keys could just be something that he adopted. So could go either way. That's still a little ambiguous. I'm trying to look through my notes because I know which part you're talking about where he talks about having a dream. It's where ah Flora is missing from her bed, but Miles is awake already. And isn't that when he was talking about having a dream?
01:05:33
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Maybe.
01:05:37
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I don't know, because that he he said that to Danny present day. Not in a flashback, if I'm remembering, right. So maybe this deserves another watch. I was only able to watch it once. Usually I watch it once and then I watch it again to take my notes. So I would have a little more of a and handle on handle on what's going on, but not this time. So
01:06:06
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Yeah, I'm just going to defer to your interpretation. of Oh, it's it's a piece of media. It's a piece of art. So there's you take what you want from it. Right. Of course. Yeah. Right. This is just what I'm taking from it. It doesn't have to be what the and actual intent was. But right.
01:06:29
Speaker
Right. And I love, I love pieces that allow you to take away from it what you get from it. Yeah. I remember in school, my favorite days were when we would break apart, like, um poems, and stories.
01:06:50
Speaker
Come here. You'll say hi. Hi. This is Poe. Hi, Poe. An angel. He is the sweetest boy ever. He's like a neighborhood favorite. Come here. Aw. He doesn't like being picked up, but he likes to snuggle. Yeah. Hi, baby. He has like the quietest purr. My husband was like, he doesn't purr. I'm like, yeah, he does. You just got to earn it, and it's quiet. Are you going to stay here? Yeah, you can stay here. You're a good boy.
01:07:21
Speaker
He is so much happier. His baby moved. Like he stays home. He doesn't go and hide in the neighbor's house. We had joint custody for a minute. She would like text me. She's like, so.
01:07:46
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He stepped on the keyboard.
01:07:51
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Did you hear that? Yeah. That's amazing. Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo. But anyway, those those were just good thoughts in my. I like it. No, my favorite days were when we could like pick apart some sort of like classic literature, you know, so delving into stories like this is really fun.
01:08:17
Speaker
I was never all that good at that at like AP Ling or AP Lit. Yeah. And my excuse is that I was a male and our brands don't develop until 25. And so I was stupid. So I didn't think critically. Well, I would have run circles around you. Oh, I bet. Not anymore. Not anymore.
01:08:42
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her That's fun.
01:08:46
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Well, cool. um The show, like, there's not a whole lot to discuss in each episode, which is Not a bad thing. I think we got through that whole episode in under a half hour. So you're welcome, guys.
01:09:06
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um So it's kind of like a nice little reprieve ah between the Hill House and the upcoming Midnight Mass breakdown. So because that's going to be heavy.
01:09:23
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But overall, I like all the little clues and things kind of coming together this early in the series. It doesn't like there's build up, but it also gives us a lot of context within the build up like a lot of other shows don't give you anything or they kind of not in a bad way. It's not a negative thing, but like it drags it out.
01:09:42
Speaker
And you really don't know anything that's going on. That makes sense. um If I had like sat down and analyzed this, I think we still would have come to the same like for the first time watching it. Because right now this is my second time watching it. But I think if I had like watched it with the intent of breaking it down the very first time, we probably would still be coming to the same conclusions with the clues.
01:10:10
Speaker
So anyway, any final thoughts? I just, I really liked the show. Yeah. It's, it's good. i do too Yeah. It's nice. I understand. Sorry. It's nice when I have like a director and a writer who are just like proficient. Um, yeah.
01:10:33
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a lot of, it's I'm going to pull an analogy into this, another analogy, but it it's like, uh, like a, like a chef. Okay. sometimes some of the best meals are just simple ingredients done with the right technique and um with like the right amount of care like just a simple a simple meal can be you can either mess it up real bad if you don't know what you're doing or it can be one of the best things you've ever had in your life and so I think that
01:11:05
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A lot of times, simple is the way to go. And if you can just make all the ingredients sing, then you're doing a good job. And I think that's what Flanagan's doing in this show. And we bring up Midnight Mass. I think that is a very complicated meal, but it's worth it.
01:11:27
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you It's even better when you have that palette and you can pick out those different flavors and how they work together. A hundred percent. But this one is nice because you just, and yeah it's a good meal.
01:11:41
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So I've been neglecting giving credit to the director so episode one was directed by Mike Flanagan episode two was direct actually two and three were directed by see Iran for I hope I'm saying.
01:12:00
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that name correctly. My apologies if I didn't but that's episode two and three and then I'll try to remember to give credits for the future ones because there are more than two directors in this series. Looks like Liam Gavin did the next two and Ben Howling and Yolanda Ramke did the next one.
01:12:28
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And the next one after that. Oh, interesting.
01:12:34
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And then, Accel Carolyn did episode eight and episode nine, EL Cats. So that's really cool. Collaborated with a whole bunch of different directors for different episodes and the Hill House, it was Mike Flanagan directed all of them the whole time.
01:13:07
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So I never thought about that before that different directors would come in and and direct different episodes of shows um until I think I was listening to the Office Ladies podcast where they would announce you know like say whatever person it was that had directed
Impact of Directors on TV Shows
01:13:22
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that episode. I never and never thought about it, that you would have different people come in and direct different episodes. And maybe that director doesn't come back again for the whole series and maybe that's a repeat director. you know Yeah.
01:13:35
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yeah I'm not good enough to kind of catch what the differences in directing would be. Um, in the styles that they do. I'm not, yeah I'm not, I'm not good enough.
01:13:49
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I think if in this type of show, if the styles were too different, it would be a disservice. It wouldn't be good, but it seems like they were all kind of really cohesive in the vision of the series. There was like an interview that I had heard about one of the directors from the Mandalorian. I cannot for the life of me remember his name.
01:14:14
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But he was talking about um again, I'm pretty sure it was him. He was talking about coming in and directing like episodes of different shows. And he said most of the time everyone else has been there for the entirety and they know what they're doing. They they don't need me. I'm not. Why why am I here? They don't. right'm I'm just feelinging here for kind of supervision, basically. So that could also be it.
01:14:41
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And everyone is wedding pretty well on their own that they don't, uh, a different director doesn't make too much of a difference. Right.
01:14:52
Speaker
Yeah, it's really interesting. Um, I've talked about it before. This is not a flex because it's literally just this much of like
Behind the Scenes - Working as an Extra
01:15:02
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anything. Um, but I've done background work on a couple of movies. Uh, did I say it on air or did I say it before we were recording last time? I feel like you said it on air.
01:15:15
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I probably did, but the first one I did background work for is coming out on December 3rd. That's called Merry Christmas, M-A-R-R-Y, like getting married. um That'll be cute, like Hallmark style movie on Amazon. And then the next one is on streaming somewhere right now, but it's called
01:15:39
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Christmas wreaths and ribbons. we watched I watched that with the kids the other day just so they could point me out because I ended up accidentally getting like a lot more screen time than most of the extras on that shooting day because I'm only in like this one sequence because so everybody there that that whole day we were only there for this one specific sequence in the show in the movie um Oh, it's streaming on Plex and Roku channel. um So if you like the Hallmark kind of movies, it was cute. But I ended up with like way too much screen time in a room full of extras that are barely on screen. So there's like three of us for the whole sequence and all the other sequences we did, they cut.
01:16:21
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um But the show the the the next ones that I did is actually in a series and they haven't announced it yet So I'm not going to because it hasn't even been purchased for a distribution yet But it's I thought it was a movie the same kind of like Hallmark Christmas, whatever but no, it's a series and I can't even like talk about what it's about because there's like spoilers and stuff that I know and I don't know what's a spoiler and what's not I just know what I've seen so I can't like explain anything but uh that one's been fun like seeing the behind the scenes they did a really complicated shot so one of the episodes is a masquerade ball so we had to be in formal wear for like 12 hours that day and that was jeez exhausting like I had my shoes off so first of all they they were filming on a hard floor and they're like
01:17:13
Speaker
wear fancy clothes and then they're like okay if you're walking and your shoes are noisy that's a problem so i would like tuck my shoes underneath a table and just walk with bare feet and hope that they were not catching my feet my dress was really long it was a floor length formal dress from a wedding ah So, but I was one of the people that had to like cross and a lot of the other extras were not keeping their continuity so sometimes I was like crossing in front of the dancing couple sometimes I was crossing behind and like, what am I supposed to do, you know.
01:17:45
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but that shot had a 360 scene. So the couple is dancing in the middle. So there's two shots they had to, or two sequences they had to get. So like one was the the main protagonist and then the girl that they're supposedly falling in love. There was a lot they had to get for that. And so they had this track that kind of goes, this is just anecdotal. It's not anything like special, but.
01:18:13
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They did the rehearsal. and everything was fine so they have like the camera rig set up on the track and then they have like the boom attached to that rig and then they have like the lighting thing attached to that and it's just this whole complicated situation and so it's all on wheels on this track and as it went around the first time for rehearsal it's perfect everything was great they start filming the the background director had like blocked all of us and you know I knew what I was doing where I was going but as they started filming the wheels started squeaking and solving that problem took a whole extra like I swear it was like an hour hour and a half
01:18:57
Speaker
No one had WD-40 or anything like that. Oh, they did. They did. But the wheels, so they had like the contraption set on these two pallets that had wheels and then that was going around the thing and it was quiet the first time and then the second time it was noisy. So then they took the thing off of the pallets and they put it directly on the track and then it was just squeaking. So then they had to spend like 40 minutes.
01:19:19
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greasing the track as it went around on all the squeaky parts. So because it's 360 all of the crew that had to be in the room had to follow it behind the camera because either you're hiding behind one of the grand staircases in the room because this was at like this big castle place somewhere in Utah. You either yeah either had to hide behind something or leave the room but if you had to be there like near cast like for looks or for whatever um They had to follow the camera around. And me and another extra,
01:19:57
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we were right near this one spot. So I end up i cross from like one part of the room to another. And where I end up, I kind of stay for the rest of the scene. ah Anyway.
01:20:11
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Every time the crew would step on this certain spot, it would squeak, it would creak, and every single crew member stepped on the same spot. So we were just kind of laughing at that, like watching it like, yep, but yep, yep.
01:20:29
Speaker
And then we're like, oh, camera's coming back around, gotta act like we're acting now. So it was fun, but it also made me appreciate like things that look simple on screen are so complicated behind the camera.
01:20:47
Speaker
It's, it's crazy, like what goes on behind scenes that we have no idea about. And especially with just like bigger and bigger budget movies about all the things that have to come together.
01:21:01
Speaker
Yeah even simple like two minute sequences you have to shoot it three four different ways and that could take half a day for something that just ends up being a few minutes because you have to get this person's face and then the reaction shots And then they're delivering their lines and then the other person's reaction shots and then the wide and the close. And so I definitely have an appreciation for how much work goes into even smaller productions. And just the massive amount of effort and work it takes for the larger budget productions must be just incredible. I haven't been on anything like that.
01:21:44
Speaker
But it's it's tiring like it's not hard work but it's exhausting like even just being in in the background and again it's not a flex background it's literally like the bottom tier on set like we're in their house they're doing this every day we're just kind of like visiting.
01:22:05
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So.
01:22:09
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Well, I just still think it's cool that you got to do that. And yeah yeah which mine i I do appreciate it. It is fun. And it's just a little bit of extra money, which helps, you know, every little bit helps. So as soon as they announce where that show is going, I can talk about that. Then, um, it looks, it'll be fun to see how it all like comes together.
01:22:37
Speaker
So but also what made me like, think about that to bring it up is in the TV series shoots, it's the same director. Each, each time it's he's been the same guy like over this whole project. And he's it was it was fun watching him work, like really focused paid attention to all the details. um So it'd be interesting to have had like a different director come in, like different episodes, but I think how they filmed it, they were doing it all kind of like all the episodes at once. That makes sense.
01:23:20
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So anyway,
01:23:25
Speaker
Um, my life is boring, so I don't have anything to say. My life is not exciting.
01:23:36
Speaker
There's literally like three other people in my neighborhood that I've, I ran into one neighbor on set. I was like, Oh, Hey, I know you. And then on like Instagram, my other neighbor was like taking selfies on set. I was like, Hey, I was there yesterday.
01:23:51
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It's just more like a location thing like, hey, we're filming in this county and you live here. So.
01:24:02
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But it's a lot of fun, but I think I'm going to take a break for a minute because I'm tired. I get that. One day was supposed to be eight hours. It ended up being 11. And for the extra hours that I stayed, they might, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up not even using that footage. I think they will, but you never know what's going to happen. So.
01:24:34
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Well, that's all I have. If that's all you have. That's all I have. That's all I have. I might even just cut that whole last part because I don't know what that contributed to. So people can listen if they want. Thanks for sticking around for an extra half hour, guys. Just for us. It's our show. You can skip. You can fast forward 15 seconds.
01:24:58
Speaker
All right, guys. Thanks for joining us again. thank you We'll be back next time. Thank you. Bye. Bye.