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Episode 7: Eulogy
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The trauma and the drama continues with the Crain family at Nell's funeral. Laura wonders: Where is the Eulogy? We finally meet Aunt Janet, and Noah gets jump-scared live from a sneaky background ghost. We also try to figure out if Hugh is a good father or not?
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Introduction to 'Fans of Flanagan' and 'Ulogy'
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It's time for a House on the Hill. What? It's haunted. Do you mean the haunting of a hill house? Exactly. Let's go.
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Speaker
Welcome back, everyone, to Fans of Flanagan. I'm Noah. I'm Laura. And this week we are talking about episode seven of the Haunting of Hill House. It's titled Ulogy. And once again, it's directed by Mike Flanagan. I don't think there's a single one in this season that isn't directed by him. I'm going to continue to say it just to give him props because he deserves it.
True Crime Documentaries Discussion
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But before we get into this week's episode, Laura, what have you been watching?
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You know, you ask this every time and I'm more prepared. um Have I been watching anything interesting? I know I binged. a couple of true crime things on Netflix. I can find it real quick. And I had heard this story before. I think it was called Lover, Stalker, Killer. Yep, Lover, Stalker, Killer. It's a documentary movie on Netflix. And I was like, that looks fun. So I turned it on and my first thought was, wouldn't it be funny if I've seen this before or if I've heard this story before and sure enough,
00:02:08
Speaker
I had but I was like I'll watch it anyway um but that one is a crazy story have you have you watched it? I have not I don't think I've heard of it. If you okay if you haven't heard the story I won't spoil it for you at all just go into it blind let me know next time what you think of it because it it's wild and then there's another one
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that I listened to. Well, I i watched it, but you know, but like, while I do other tasks, so mostly listening to it.
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What was it called? It was kind of like the same kind of true crime thing, but about internet stalking. And that one was pretty crazy, too. I just can't remember what it was. And I'm not seeing it on here. Sorry. I'm professional.
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I don't know. But as far as like other movies or other interesting TV shows, no, nothing really. OK. Oh, it's called Can I Tell You a Secret? It was creepy. Interesting. Yeah. I couldn't watch it late at night because it was a little too scary.
Escapism vs. True Crime: Noah's Perspective
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I tend not to watch like true crime one because that kind of thing doesn't really appeal to me, but
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also because i like movies and tv shows and books to take me outside of the world and so when there's something a little too realistic i don't like it especially when it's a more negative subject because there's enough of it in the world already so You know what's funny is I agree with that. If it comes a little too close to home, I don't enjoy it, but I'm still gonna recommend that lover, stalker, killer story to you just because of how how crazy it gets. okay i think I think you would enjoy it even knowing you're not of the true crime, you know, the fan base. That's what we need to say. I'm a fan of true crime.
00:04:17
Speaker
Well, if I can explain why I got into like listening to true crime stories is because I would watch Dateline, right? Like we all did. And I liked figuring out if the person being accused was actually lying or not. And I found out that I was pretty good at figuring out through through speech patterns if I could tell if somebody was lying or not. So um
00:04:48
Speaker
And then the whole true crime podcast genre blew up. So that's kind of how I got started into it. I have backed off a little bit because just delving into that too much is a little bit too dark. So it looks like Noah stepped away for a minute. He'll be back in a second. and here There he is. My cat's knocked something off the counter and little pieces. Oh, no. and We have this. um at this toy, it's basically like a
Live-Action Adaptations: 'Avatar' and 'Wheel of Time'
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fishing pole without it. It's something like a feather on the end of it on a little string connected to a long stick. And so we'll play with them and have them jump up and chase the feather around. But we keep it on top of the counter when we're not using it. And they decided, hey, you're perfectly occupied with something else right now. You're not paying attention to us.
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So I'm assuming one of them jumped up on the counter, grabbed it, but then proceeded and knocked down a board game that we had on top of it. And all the little pieces and everything spilled out and I just didn't want them to get ahold of it. So I had to go take care of it.
00:05:58
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demons Oh my goodness. Have you started watching the new live action avatar? My kids started that. they Unfortunately. Oh no. My kids are enjoying it, but I don't think they're of the like super fan base. Yeah, I. Watched the first episode. um Was very disappointed and. Initially said I'm not going to watch any more. That'll stick it to the creators, but I think I'm going to do it just to kind of make my own opinion. um I know there's and a lot of negativity around it already. um I want to go ahead and see what they do with the rest of the season, but what I saw in the first episode I did not like.
00:06:48
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You know, I think the creators of the animated series felt the same because I read somewhere that they stepped away after they saw that the creative that there were just a lot of creative differences. So I don't think you're alone in that. So far, my kids are enjoying it. um i've I've I'm not I know of the show. I know basic understanding of what it is. Mm hmm. but I don't have other feelings past time. I mostly upset at the Wheel of Time series. I have not felt anger at a team like that ever.
00:07:31
Speaker
Yeah, I get that. That was a whole other level, which I don't even know if we discussed that at all. Your feelings on um the i know the second season. I know we sure did. um And I just i keep getting ahead of it every time I think about it. I ranted about Matt to my husband for a good 20 minutes, and he sat there and took it.
00:07:59
Speaker
Because they took away one of the best parts that his character went through in the books. They took it and they changed it. And that happens in, I i think, The Shadow Rising. That doesn't even happen in in and that book, in the season that it was based off. When he gets his spear, when he gets the memories. Yeah. but ah They just took all of that away. That was one of the best parts of the whole series. And that's why Matt is so vital and interesting because he was one of my favorite characters. So not only did they change how he got his spear, they changed how he got his memories. And then ah and then they just changed who he fundamentally is. Yep. Yep. For why? I don't know.
00:08:56
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Uh-huh. And, and that's the same, some of the same complaints I have with this new live action animatar animatar. Um, I don't know where I was going with that animatar. Um,
00:09:17
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um is that they take away. from the characters and what made them so good. You know, one of the characters was misogynistic, especially in in like the first couple of episodes. And like it it doesn't so the show doesn't say being misogynistic is a good thing, but they show his character growth and he meets female warriors and he learns to respect them and it provides
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like this great character development. And they take it away in the show. You know, they they do that to every character. I could go into it, but you don't know um enough about it. And I won't bore you with the details. Yeah, my son i do that. Yeah. Had sorry. He had a complaint. He was like, it seems like they're rushing through some things. And I said, I wonder if they just don't know if they're going to have another season. And so they're just kind of pushing some plot points early because they don't know if they're going to get a season two. But that always,
Adapting 'Game of Thrones' and Impactful Scenes
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almost always, I think, ends in failure. Yeah, it's like a self-fulfilling thing. Regardless if they get a second season or not, you know? Yeah. A lot of the dialogue is just very clunky and it feels like there's no subtext and they say everything right out in the open, which it can work and not work, but
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it It depends on how you use it and then you're just not using it well. Yeah. And you could excuse some of these adaptations from the animes to the live actions. You could excuse it a away, except I've heard that One Piece, the live action of One Piece, stays so true to the to the animated version that's that you know that they can. You know that they can stick to it. So why don't they? I know. I don't know. It's very frustrating. It's, it's like my old rant, like they, they, if they, you know, Game of Thrones did great sticking to the books, which by the way, I got to the red wedding and I was like, this is too much for me. So I don't know if I'm ever going to go back. That was way too much. It was way worse than what was described in the books for my memory, but oh my gosh. Yes.
00:11:40
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Yeah. Interesting. Well, it's it's been a long time since I read the books, but that kind of scene you don't really forget. But it was, it was too much. Yeah. If you've seen it, you know. I want to say maybe there's a worse one, but honestly, I don't even know. There are where there are really bad scenes. It is a very bloody show. Yeah, but I don't know but that one. just suck it That one was icky. I was thinking about maybe the Boltons. Especially what spoilers, if you haven't seen it or you're. You're going to see it, but haven't yet um what Ramsey does. Yeah.
00:12:25
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yeah Oh, yeah, that's going on at the same time, leading up to the red wedding. And yeah, sorry. That's right. I have seen quite a lot recently. I watched Darkest Hour, which is a World War II movie about Winston Churchill, pretty much when he takes over as Prime Minister up until the events of Dunkirk. I really enjoyed that. I watched everything everywhere all at once. I know I should have seen it when it came out. I haven't seen it around at all. It was so high when it first came out.
00:13:10
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I just didn't watch it for whatever reason. I wanted to. I just and never got around to seeing it. And then it's finally on Netflix. Did you enjoy it? I haven't seen it. I loved it. um I cried probably twice, I think twice. It was really good. um I can see complaints about it, but I don't personally have any. um I think ah think it's a great movie and it is perfectly balanced.
00:13:44
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So that's one for you to check out and tell me what you think. I will recently watched the first three Harry Potter movies again. Because you have to do a Harry Potter rewatch at least like once a year, I feel like, at least in my opinion, just because I love those movies. Yeah. But this time the wife wanted to watch them again. um And I enjoyed the first two less than I usually did.
00:14:12
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Oh, you're growing up. Yeah. I see a whole lot of problems with them and.
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I they're good for what they are, you know. Yeah. But yeah, I'm growing up, I guess you could put it. And then we watched the prisoner of Azkaban and I was like, ah, there it is. Gotcha. So there it is. Yeah, there it is. Alfonso, you are a genius. I love you so much. um so I mean, movies are books that that the third installment is really where I think a lot of people went from liking the books to loving the books. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's not even my favorite book or movie. But it's I forgot. No, but that's where it really takes a turn into yeah being like,
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I don't know how to, I don't want to say like i could a contender because the first two books are so good. But that third one, when like the story gets deeper and the plot twists happen, and it turns a little bit darker, not as dark as obviously book four. But like, I think that's really the book that kind of hooked a lot of people in. Yeah.
Dystopian Stories and Apple TV Adaptations
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um I'm watching this woman. on TikTok. Yes. Yup. I love her. She just she just finished book four it and the last like 90. Yeah. The last 90 pages. She was just sobbing. Okay. The one video where she was like crying in in public. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, did she get to that part? No, she was upset that Ron and Harry were fighting. And I was like, Oh girl, you have no idea.
00:15:59
Speaker
You pour poor thing poor sweetheart. It's kind of like book four is sadness. Book five is anger. Anger. And then six and seven is like vindication and vengeance and victory. So she's going to be so angry. I don't even know about book six. Book six is depressing. Yeah. It's so depressing. maybe Maybe worse than four. I don't know. I haven't read the books in a long time. Yeah.
00:16:35
Speaker
I'm considering going back and listening to the audio books. Oh, I've been doing that with my kids. They've kind of like lost interest, but I'm going to make them. We're going to be on a road trip in a couple of weeks, so we're going to get in some. course two yeah I also recently watched Donnie Darko for the first time. Right. these you You told me. Did you watch the director's cut? I didn't, but I am going to go back. get those yeah Go watch the director's cut, yeah. But let me know what you think about yeah the theater. Immediately after I watched the movie, I was like, I need to go back and watch it again. I love that so much. um But I really enjoy that movie. like
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I don't have any other words for it right now, but I want to go back and watch it so bad. um Yeah. And then I watched The Giver last night, I believe, or this morning. No, no. Yesterday morning, yesterday morning. Yeah. The first time I've seen it, I read the book these had you read in school, but I didn't remember hardly a thing about it. Yeah. um That's a heavy book for like school. Yeah. It really is. But I really enjoyed that one as well. Um, it's a hard way, but it's really good. Yeah. I like movies that make you think yeah about anything, but, but yeah. Well, that's what I've been watching recently. Awesome. Did you ever, I'm sorry about whatever.
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Uh, did you ever read, nevermind. Can't think of it.
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Like Brave New World. I had to like picture the cover. Did you ever read Brave New World? No. They did a television adaptation. I think it's on Apple TV. They did a good job with it. You might like it. What's it about? It's definitely another one. It's a so futuristic society, like a utopia um situation where everybody is conformative. There are no families. You don't birth your own children. You don't have emotions. You're drugged into feeling happy all the time. And that's the that's the start. Okay.
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I read that, I read that one in high school and that one was really interesting. And then my, my husband didn't get to read it in school, but he read it in his twenties, I think. And he was like, everybody needs to read this book.
Apple TV Show Recommendations
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And I was like, I agree. It's one of those books that everybody should read. And then the the show, they did a pretty good job with the show. It, it gets a little graphic. So I had to like do a little skippy skip over some spots.
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Okay, let's see if I can check that out. I don't have Apple TV now. Hey, don't come in here asking for some when you're the one who knocked over the board game. I know it was you. There are some good shows on Apple TV. I am like surprised by their production quality. If you do get Apple TV, you're gonna want to watch
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Speaker
Silo. Okay. And Severance. I've heard such good things about Severance. 11 out of 10 Severance. i will i'm like I hope they do another season because Severance is fantastic. um I started watching Foundation and I liked it and I need to get back to it. So, but my top two on there are Severance and Silo. Okay. Silo isn't anything like revolutionary, but it was a, it was a, it was a good watch. Yeah. And then that movie killers of the flower moon is on there right now. I haven't watched it. It's three and a half hours long. It is. is It is very long. I don't know what. And I'm like, I'm tired. I don't know if I can start that.
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I don't know what's with Scorsese because he the last one before this, I think was Irishman. And that one was about maybe the same length as well. cow I mean, put it in a series and I'll binge watch maybe four episodes straight. I don't know if psychology is behind that, but you give me a three hour movie and I just can't. Oh, and then there's a holiday movie with Will Ferrell and Ryan Reynolds called Spirited. That was actually really funny. OK, I'm not a huge fan of Will Ferrell. What's wrong with you? Not that everybody's a huge fan, but like he's funny. Probably a lot.
00:21:39
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I don't I don't really enjoy elf. I know I know I know I know I know, but I don't really enjoy it. OK, here's your assignment for the week. OK. I want you to go on YouTube or wherever SNL has their archived videos and just watch the early 2000s, Will Ferrell, SNL skits.
00:22:02
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I, obviously I've seen that like the most famous one, but I enjoy most famous one oh more Yeah, maybe that's okay. That is, that is, that is funny, but I, There's others that I want you to watch. Maybe I'll just like spammy with some links. I just enjoyed everything with Amy Poehler and Tina Fey and Bill Hader and all of them.
Deep Dive into 'The Haunting of Hill House', Episode 7
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Andy Sander, you know?
00:22:37
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um Absolutely. but for all That's not really my type of comedy, but i'll I'll give if you send me the links, I'll give them a watch. I'll, I'll convert you. It's okay. yeah Um, I think it's about time to get into the episode. Let's go. I have a jump scare count of one and a possible. Okay. I was going to do like half a half. Okay. Yeah. Cause I was, I was like, noise
00:23:09
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I guess I'll call it a maybe. Cause it's like, I was confused when it happened. I was like, could we consider that one? So if I'm confused about it, I give it like a half a maybe, but I'll, I'll listen to your take on it when we get there. Sounds good. Um, but we start off with young you getting at this point, I call it an interview by the police.
00:23:38
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He is, this is voluntary. He came in, sat down and is, is telling inside of the story and everything like that. Um, and that actor can't remember his name. I don't have it written down, but he just has, I don't know if they're contacts or not, but he just has really, really blue eyes. air context yeah Okay. That makes sense. It just makes them look very ethereal and.
00:24:09
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otherworldly, you know? Yeah, it was distracting. And I was wondering, why do they have him in context? And I was like, well, maybe it's because the older character, the older him actor it has blue eyes. And then I was like, but why couldn't they have just popped brown contacts on the older act? Because I think brown contacts are harder to see them blue. But anyway, is it was distracting. Are contacts easier to see because they have that, what, shininess about them? That's the best way
Family Dynamics and Estrangement in 'Ulogy'
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to describe it. It's just like the artificial color, and then it doesn't, it's just not natural with, you know, how eyes usually look, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, okay, off topic, but in The Witcher.
00:24:58
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he's got like these golden eyes, right? And you can tell in the scene whether they're doing a practical effect with the contacts or they're doing like a CGI effect, like post-production. Interesting. But I don't know. But yeah, I always notice like the content. This doesn't have to be a theme. Yeah, making it a thing. It doesn't have to be a thing. Go ahead. He's ethereal. he's Yeah, he's ethereal. It looks interesting. kind of like I kind of like to look, you know.
00:25:34
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um But this policeman is being sort of fake nice, in my opinion. He said, oh, yeah, I'll go get your cream and sugar. what you wanted are your friends um We understand. make it Make it easy, you know? um We just want it to look good, you know? We're very thankful you came in. But before you leave, complicated yeah, we just want to make it look good for you, you know? Just tell us everything. Don't lawyer up. Don't leave. That'll make it complicated. Exactly. That'll make it complicated.
00:26:08
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And we won't look at, you know. But during that whole talk that he has with them. It's a one one line, but the police mentioned the other body. Yeah. And so if you're watching it for the first time, you're like, huh, what? I forgot. I forgot yeah ah about the first one. Yeah. um Then it cuts forward to older Hugh. He's getting dressed, but he's sort of talking to himself.
00:26:39
Speaker
Does she appear in that little scene where he's talking to himself about getting dressed and ties? I don't think she does. Not at the beginning part. It's just yeah him ah seemingly talking to himself. But you can tell he's talking to somebody else and because he's kind of like answering questions, too. Yeah, it's like it's conversational feedback like, oh, yeah, you're right. This one is better. Yeah. Yeah. um And then we get that Shirley is missing a flower order.
00:27:10
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And during that whole thing, Q is meeting his grandkids for the first time. And I don't.
00:27:20
Speaker
Did they just not. How did they not meet before this? You know, like maybe it was surely not wanting him to come. I don't know. Do you think maybe he has a lot of guilt about what happened at Hill House? And so he's just separated himself from them. because I feel like later on we meet Aunt Judy. She Janet, Janet. I'm so sorry. Yeah. No, no, no. I apologize. I didn't know what her name was until like the end of the episode. Yeah. They reference her so much, but we finally get to meet her.
00:27:57
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And she is responding more like a parent than their father. So I wonder if he's just been ah hanging on to some level of guilt, which has separated him from interacting with his kids on a normal kind of. Cause he always seems so detached from them, awkward around them. They're critical of him. I think you're right. Cause there is a line later on. where he is talking to Liv and everything. um And we'll get to that. But I think i think that makes sense. and so Because every time he tries to be fatherly, they just kind of push back. Like, what are you doing? Why are you doing this now? Kind of a thing. Yeah. he Maybe in his mind, he wanted to give them space or something to let them heal or something. I don't know. But I don't see it as him just being neglectful at this point.
00:28:56
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It was done with the purpose, but maybe we'll figure it out. We'll see.
00:29:05
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Shirley fixes whatever is going on with the flower order and Kevin comes in and she is trying to tell him to go pick up the flowers and he's like, I got to do this. I got to. Can we talk or whatever? And I love it because Shirley just clairs at him, gives him the most Like, my mom always calls it the hairy eyeball. I don't know why we called it that. but We just call it the hairy eyeball. Like, you better do it before I tell you to do it without having to say anything. And he's like, got it. Go on and go get him. She's like, you're already on your way. Yeah. I just thought that so was funny. There's a lot of lighthearted moments in this episode. It's a superpower when you become a parent, that mom look.
00:29:49
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so I'm very good at it. Maybe it's like the wife look cause cause mine has it right now as well. She was just getting like, all right, got it. I'll do it.
00:30:03
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Um,
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And then to himself, Hugh says, Oh, I wonder where she gets that from. And it pans over and we see that he's talking to, to live. Um, and we know that she, obviously she's not there really, but, and he just, but at this point it's not him talking to himself. He's talking to live and we'll get more into that later as well. Um, then we get a flashback and Hugh and Mr. Dudley are walking the destroyed house after the storm.
00:30:39
Speaker
And they're just talking about all the damage and everything that that's going on and Like the walls are wet and and whatnot And he says the camera zooms in on him. He says I can fix it. I just love that moment um Because it he's not talking about the house Well, the writers of the show are not talking about the house. They're talking about the family and And no matter how much work is needed to be done, he's going to do it um and he will do it and he can do it. And he's. He'll be there, you know, and I love that about him because it says so much about him as a character. We get a line later on where where Liv is like.
00:31:25
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Something about you're always good at assessing the damage and fixing up. You're a good fixer-upper, basically. You're a little fixer-upper. So we get more about you, which is interesting because this whole show Has been structured each episode has been about a specific kid and The first five episodes were that but the first five kids in order and then episode six um I Think we get more of huge story but in this one it should have been Lives episode But it feels like it's again more centered around Hugh as well
00:32:10
Speaker
I don't know if you have any other ideas about that. but That's just what I've observed so far. I think it's fair to say that this is his episode because I don't remember what happens in the next, what, we have three more? I think so, yeah. I have memories of what happens in the last episode because it's it crazy. Yeah. But I don't know if we get more into Liv and her headaches and her like seeming oncoming psychosis.
00:32:43
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I think we do. So I really didn't read this as her episode. We get clues throughout the whole series of what she's going through, but no clarification yet.
Hugh's Past and Present Struggles
00:32:53
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So I would i say it's more fair to say this is more of Hugh's episode. And his relationship with Steve, they really focused on a lot of of of his dynamic with his son.
00:33:06
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I felt like it was about all of his kids, you know? I think there was ample time. I don't even think we saw like any of the younger kids in the and this one. Just young Steve from my memory. Oh, in the flashbacks, no. Right. Because in the flashbacks, you see him interacting with Steve a lot, bringing him in to repair the mold, bringing him in to help figure out, you know,
00:33:35
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you know, working on all the the damage. He's like really bringing his son into the family trade, I guess. Oh, okay. So maybe this could be, this episode is Hugh's attempt to fix the damage of his family. Obviously we get the flashbacks of him trying to fix it. damage i think it's it's it's I think he's more focused on fixing his family when they're adults and it's too late. What are you doing? he's He's like trying to, and there's a scene later on where you see Liv in the backseat and she's telling him, don't say that when he was in the car with. Yeah, I love that with Shirley. With Shirley. And she's like, stop, what are you doing? And he doesn't listen and he says things. And then Shirley, you know, whatever it is, she said, I think we'll talk about it later, but yeah he's trying to do all of these parenting things after they're all grown up.
00:34:31
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Okay. So it's, it's like the house, because at, at this point, it seems like it's too late for the house. Right. The, the damage is so extensive that it's too far gone, but yet he's still trying to work on it. Yeah, hope that it can still be remediated because mold is nothing to mess around with that can absolutely break you.
00:35:00
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So this episode is him trying to fix things and assess the damage and everything, but he's sort of failing at it on both ends, the house and the family.
00:35:13
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Yeah, the house and the flashback and then the family in the current day, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I really liked that. I didn't think about that. Good parallel. Oh, we're figuring it out. We're getting better at this podcasting thing. and ah
00:35:30
Speaker
I'm totally in film school. um So they go they go into the basement and they find black mold in the basement and they're like, this is really, really, really, really bad. The mold was bad enough, but now that's black mold, that's awful. um And they they dig out a piece of the wall and they take a picture of the the wall inside and he looks at the picture and it looks like Like the shadow of a person, you know? It looks like the mold is making like an outline of a person. Yeah. Yeah. So he's like, that's weird. And just doesn't think about it anymore. Did we get to older Hugh? He's got bigger problems. Yeah, he's got bigger problems. I don't need any haunting right now. I've got black bowl. I'm trying to deal with you guys later.
00:36:27
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Um, there's a funny line. He said to, he says to policeman at the end, but anyway, um, I know exactly. Yeah. Older Hugh is now visiting Theo. Um, again, I'm trying to assess the damage. I know what's going on. And apparently, Luke had lived with Shirley for a time. um And that little conversation they were having, he he mentions that and they said, oh, they thought it would work, but it didn't. So get more information about them. And then
00:37:04
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with Theo talking to him and she's constantly constantly saying, Hey, I messed up. I messed up. I did this. He figures out that surely isn't mad at Theo for taking the money and it's, there's probably something else going on and he doesn't push to ask what it is and Theo doesn't specifically tell him, but he, he knows.
00:37:27
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And then I think we get to the point where I think Ghost Liz tells him, yeah, you're always good at assessing the damage. So he's he's figuring out what's going on with the family. And he knows even if it's not.
00:37:44
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What's the word I'm looking for? Explicit, you know.
00:37:52
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I love in this episode that we get a lot of Hugh just standing back and looking around before he does anything. and Specifically in this yeah and this point, he is hanging back and he's watching how Steve is talking to his wife who is visibly upset and she gets up and just walks away. So obviously he knows something is going on with them. So he takes a minute and walks over to Steve maybe? I don't know.
00:38:30
Speaker
and don't I don't think he goes to Steve directly in that point, but he just kind of goes around and tries to comfort everybody. Um, but before he does that, he's talking to live again and live is live. It's like, don't, don't say that. It's like, Oh, I didn't say anything. He's like, you're thinking how you wish that Steve had better role models. She's like, we were, we were rock solid. We were perfect. Like what more could we give them basically? Um, so.
00:39:03
Speaker
But then he eventually goes to Luke and he says he's proud of him for being clean. Um, but then live tells him he doesn't want to make today about him. So it was like, got it. I'll just be quiet. I'll just be here. I love that. That was perfect. just Just my presence will be here for him. You know, what's funny is, is live is like his projection of her talking back to him. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. yeah But sometimes you don't listen to yourself, you know? and Oh, absolutely. We'll get that later as well. ye He just doesn't listen to himself and he does it anyway.
00:39:45
Speaker
um He tells Theo, Theo comes over and Luke is just like, hey, beer and be and tomato juice. And she's like, what? Best cure for a headache, beer and tomato juice.
00:40:02
Speaker
And he says, well, it's as close as the, the real deal is you can get the the best cure for, for, uh, for a hangover as heroin. And I just thought it was a really funny moment. Cause he's kind of like joking about it too, but he's, he's at a point where he can kind of joke about his heroin use and that he knows these things. And Theo goes, so you're telling me that the best cure for a hangover is heroin. And he's like, yup. He's like, yup. by a mile. and it's just It's a really funny moment. And it sort of reminds me. Kids don't obviously don't do drugs. But it reminded me just how important comedy is, you know, it's important that we're able to laugh about things to get over it. You know, it's it's not a, you know, it is a coping mechanism.
00:40:58
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mechanism For sure. Yep. I use it.
00:41:07
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They've heard it in in the Solis podcast episode episode. A little bit. A little bit. um Sorry not sorry. It's how we deal with things anyway.
00:41:22
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But then we get Theo's fling. As stopped by and she's in Theo's upset about that. She's like, why are you here? So I was team Theo in that situation. Yeah. So not appropriate for that girl to know. Absolutely. No, I was like, what? Yeah, she thinking. Vio obviously gets upset about it and I think she gets resigned and she's like F my day or something just walks off from like I, you know, I, I feel you there. I, I feel it. And then this is another funny moment, but she kind of like waves to the boys and by boys, I mean you and Luke and they're just on the couch. I think she even says like, Hey boys.
00:42:11
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And they both awkwardly like wave back to her and it was, it was just, uh, again, a funny little moment. yeah Um, That one moment where she walked up to, um to Hugh and oh my gosh, what's the youngest bloke and From Hugh's perspective, Liv is sitting on the far right, and then there's Hugh in the middle, and then there's Luke on the left. And Theo walks up and stands to the left of Luke next to the couch instead of sitting in that, you know, what she can perceive is like an empty spot. But like, from Hugh's perspective, Liv is sitting there. I just thought that was an interesting choice, like leaving that space for Liv unconsciously, maybe. But she would, instead of sitting down, she went instead.
00:43:06
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You know what I mean? Like it left a space for Liv to be on the couch with them. Yeah, she's still a part of his life.
00:43:17
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know if that's what you were saying. It was just an interesting choice. Either like the character subconsciously did it or like, you know, Mike Flanagan was like, she's not going to sit where Liv is sitting. Yeah. And had her stand.
00:43:34
Speaker
instead of sitting on the empty seat. Do you know any? I have to go back. Yeah, I have to go back and we and and watch for that. It was when they were talking about the hangover. Yeah. That's just an interesting choice. OK. I'll have to go back and think more about that. Again, multiple rewatches, you pick out different things each time. So it's fun. um
00:44:05
Speaker
And I'm sure there's like a hundred things that are on purpose that we completely miss. Cause I feel like everything is, yeah, everything is so deliberate. Yeah. There's so much, there's so much that goes on when it comes to framing and blocking and lighting and how your actors are positioned. It's just, there's so much the colors that they wear yeah and yeah. And I know Mike Flanagan pays attention to details and make sure that they're important. So I know we're not very intentional enough as we should. Right. So and that's why I think everything is very intentional. So I think it's fair to say there's some meaning behind. Where the characters are saying things are not so. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
00:44:57
Speaker
um Then Luke is kind of talking about how funny it was when.
00:45:05
Speaker
Mel found out about Theo. Honestly, I don't know if Theo is just necessarily like bi or lesbian. I'm not. I don't think the show specifically answers that. I don't think she's bi. Got it. Well, she was kissing up on on Kevin, but I i know why. um We know why she did that later, but I don't know. I don't know remember that. Why am I not remembering that? In the previous episode where, again, she wasn't, gene we didn't see in them explicitly, but I think maybe later
Interpreting 'Eulogy' in 'Ulogy'
00:45:48
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out we find that.
00:45:51
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we We can revisit that, but right now it's okay to work for it. I missed that, so my apologies. No, it's okay.
00:46:03
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But Ollie, because they're just saying how funny it was that they found out about Theo at Nell's wedding, but then he goes on to say that Liv guessed that about Theo when she was eight. Yeah. So that was kind of fun. He's like, yeah, I know. Yeah, it's not a surprise to me like we know.
00:46:25
Speaker
Young Steve and Hugh are trying to fix the downstairs and they hear scratching behind the wall and they think it's rats. um So Hugh says he's going to go get rat poison at some point foreshadowing. Not really foreshadowing just putting puzzle pieces on the board, I guess. Anyway,
00:46:52
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um then Liv comes downstairs because she had said that she was going to give Hugh a blueprint of all of the blueprints combined just so they can find out where the pipes are, um what rooms they're in, if they're leaking water or whatnot. And she gives you the the master blueprint. He puts it down on the table. She walks up and he's like looking at the blueprint all wrong. Was there something you wanted to say? You look like you had something to say. No, okay. But we don't know what it is quite yet.
00:47:31
Speaker
And in the present, Luke is giving a eulogy after Shirley had read a poem pretty much about death and everything and pretty much saying you're there instead of here now and that's okay. Okay, wait. Okay, episode is called eulogy. But I don't remember there being a specific eulogy done. I know Shirley did the poem, I thought it was a great poem. And then she said, if anybody else would like to come up and say a few words. So Luke went up, yeah, and, you know, memorialized her. But like, was that the eulogy? Because I don't remember hearing an actual eulogy.
00:48:20
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A eulogy is described as a speech or piece of writing that praises someone or something highly, typically someone who has just died. okay
00:48:34
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So by that definition, I think- With Shirley's leading, I don't think Luke was giving the eulogy. I think he was just memorializing her.
00:48:49
Speaker
OK, so maybe the eulogy isn't about. Now. This episode. Oh. Oh.
00:49:02
Speaker
OK. Are you picking up what I'm putting down? Are you smelling what I'm studying? I don't know. Keep going. I'm thinking now. Who is this episode about? Really? Hugh. And the house. And it's praising him for his, um, his ability to assess damage and to fix things. He's a fixer. So maybe this is, that's what the episode is saying. Maybe this episode, the reason why the episode is because it's a eulogy.
00:49:43
Speaker
Which on your first watch, you're watching us being like, oh, this is um the funeral scene for now. So it makes sense that it would be named eulogy. But when you look at the scope of the entire season. Are we eulogizing the house? No, I think we're eulogizing the queue. Specifically him.
00:50:05
Speaker
Hmm. Cause I think I honestly don't a hundred percent remember the ending of the last episode, but I think it makes sense. Okay. We'll have to keep that. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Cause I was, I was so confused about this episode because again, we were following each character for one episode and diving more into them. And so I was like, why are we getting a second cue episode? Cause I felt like the one before it was his as well. So if you look at it like that, that maybe it's a eulogy episode for him.
00:50:49
Speaker
Which, if you haven't seen the the show yet, now you're spoiled. Why are you listening? If you haven't seen the show, why are you listening to us talk? We're not that interesting. Thank you to our family members and friends who are listening to us. All nine of you. I love you. ma The two storms was the last episode. you thought that that was a hue episode can you guys stop messing with things jeez i thought the two storms was more like a family episode after they got through all the kids because one is steve then you've got shirley then you've got the feel then you've got
00:51:29
Speaker
Luke and Mel and then the storms was kind of like about all of them. Yeah, okay. like So if you want to assign a person per episode, which we don't have to do, it just happens that the first five are focused on one kid each. That doesn't mean it's a precedent for the whole series, yeah I argue. But I agree with you that this one could be Hugh's episode. Okay. when we When we do our final episode, our wrap up episode, um hopefully before that um I'll do some research and read more articles and stuff. Are we going to read the book or watch one of the old movies? I'm done to do both. Yeah. We'll just have to pick one of the old movies. Yeah.
00:52:19
Speaker
Because I don't have the energy to like, I don't blame you. I'm tired.
00:52:30
Speaker
Back to the ah episode, though. Luke is giving a speech, I guess you could say about. about Mel and how he would use his excuse that he was born 90 seconds before her to say that he was the oldest to basically win any arguments or whatever. And he goes on to say that. Sure, he was born 90 seconds before now, but she was always his older sister. And that was really sweet. It's really thought that was so sweet. It was something you don't have to
00:53:10
Speaker
write this long essay or or speech to something very succinct and precise and short and it's just it just sings so much. Yeah. I'm going to go grab a pillow for my back because... Yeah, of course. That was weird. Hold on.
00:53:35
Speaker
Meanwhile, back in the past, Mr. Dudley and Hugh are looking at the blueprint that Liv gave them. And Mr. Dudley says, ah perhaps Liv could use some time away from the house because he looks equally kind of disturbed about what he's seeing. And he says. um It's not my place, but maybe she could use some time away. and And he was like, yeah, maybe you're right. It's not your place. Yeah, that was funny.
00:54:07
Speaker
And Mr. Dudley goes on to the basically be like, I respect your opinion, but you're wrong. Um, he was, I thought, sorry. I thought he was a little out of line there. Oh, it's very like, that was that was rude about this house and things that have gone on way more than, than these, you know, the new people. Yeah. And it's not like Mr. Dudley saying anything offensive. No, he said it respectfully too. He was like, can I just like give you, you know, some, some advice? Yeah. Um, my first would be like, okay, why? Yeah. Instead of saying but you're out of line. Yeah. Please explain yourself.
00:54:53
Speaker
Well, he then, then he kind of does that without Hughes permission. You know what? I respect you, but you're kind of wrong and you need to hear me out. So just listen to me. Um, and he describes how Clara, his wife, miss Dudley used to work at the house a lot, like a lot, a lot. And one night she heard. ah Their stillborn child cry and she ran to get mr. Dudley and they both went back to the house and Without any like concrete proof or whatever just a feeling that they had they both knew that that was their their baby um And I just love how that's kind of like dropping some more hints about the house and more allows the Audience to kind of speculate about what's really going on, you know
00:55:46
Speaker
Yeah, he also said that she had been experiencing horrific nightmares. Yes, like debilitating nightmares. And she would she I just love how he props up his wife, because he keeps saying she's strong. She's a steadfast woman. She she's towering. um But these nightmares had her in the corner shaking or crippling. Yeah. um
00:56:15
Speaker
And they decided that they were not going to stay past dark at the house. And they told Ms. Hill, hey, you can fire us if you want, but we're not we're not working past dark anymore. And it helped them a lot. And that's why he's telling the story because he's saying, hey, maybe it's just really need some time away. Because this house, for some reason, you can get to women. He didn't say that specifically, but that's what I got from it. Then we go back to the present and Shirley is refusing to ride with anybody um and then catches a ride with Hugh.
00:56:59
Speaker
Uh, this is what we were mentioning earlier. He starts kind of talking about family and, and I know what happened with Theo and Kevin and everything. And right whereing he can money fix things, give her advice. Yeah, he would. It's weird because Luke says something. Oh, sorry. He says something about Luke. And we see live in the backseat say don't. But then he continues onward with Theo and everything like that. And she keeps saying, don't don't do it. And we see Shirley get increasingly agitated.
Hugh's Haunted House Experiences
00:57:39
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um But he presses on. And Shirley bites back.
00:57:45
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And she she bites back at him and.
00:57:52
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Liv then says he stuck. Stuck your hand and then he finishes right in the fan. In the fan. Yeah. Before we get on to the scene that explains that, do you have anything else that you wanted to say about that? Um. No, just what I'd said before. It was funny that he didn't really listen to essentially himself, even though it's personified by Liz. Liv, excuse me. Right. That's basically his him he him talking to himself, you know.
00:58:28
Speaker
But he's like literally trying to fix things and parent when it's not his place and nobody's asking him to. So I feel his pain, but He really needed to read the room, I guess.
00:58:46
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um But then we get a flashback about what that quote really means. um Young who is trying to they're trying to fan out the mold, basically, because they had a contractor come in and say, hey, you're going to need to wall all this off, fan it off. We got some really strong chemicals that could probably help um how to kill the mold, want to dry the moisture. Yep. Yeah, we'll do it ourselves basically. um But one of the fans is broken and he was trying to fix it. He tells Steve to turn off the fan to unplug it and to get him a wrench. And then he gets distracted because he's looking at the mold that's growing in the face in the shape of a person.
00:59:35
Speaker
And he sticks his hand right in the fan but and buts and without looking and it's still on and cuts so it a huge gash. Did she? It wasn't on. It was stopped. He told it was stopped. It was stopped. It was stopped before he told his son to unplug it. And we don't even see if his son unplugs it or unplugs the right one because there's like multiple plugs in the in the outlet strip. Right. But I believe Steve, I believe him. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Um, he's insistent. I, I unplugged it. I swear. Yeah. And at first he was getting mad at Steve for not unplugging it. Um, but then he, he says like, uh, it's okay. It's okay. Don't worry about it. Um, but I love this kind of this event. Cause it was telling me is you can't get mad at someone else for hurting yourself because you didn't see the situation.
01:00:33
Speaker
because you weren't taking time to observe, you know? And that's why I think it's interesting that we see Hugh observe a lot in this episode. He takes his time to observe the situation, to look around, to watch before he actually does anything, which is maybe why he got a little bit in trouble with Shirley, because he didn't really take the time to observe. He just went right in, you know?
01:01:02
Speaker
Then he, he gets mad and upset and he tries to go break down the red door. Um, but it doesn't much, doesn't move because he thinks that whatever's in that room is probably the culprit of all the mold and the water and moisture and everything.
01:01:17
Speaker
Um, then we're back in the present again. And this is another kind of lighthearted moment. It was kind of funny, but aunt Janet is, is crying saying my little girl, that part's not funny. Okay. That part's not funny. It's not what I'm saying.
01:01:38
Speaker
she's She's crying saying, my little girl, but we as an audience haven't spent any time with her. This is the first time we're seeing her. And before Hugh or I can say anything about what Aunt Janet says, live She's thinking what we're all thinking. Liv says, well, she did raise her. And she goes, still, you know, I just thought it was kind of funny. It's like, why are you accurate? this
01:02:14
Speaker
She's not your kid. And Liv was like, she raised her too. Come on now. It's her children. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of funny when when you look at it as it's him talking to himself through Liv's voice. So it's just kind of funny that he was thinking both sides, you know. um
01:02:40
Speaker
And we get to a scene where Luke is over Nell's grave and he keeps saying, I'm so, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. And then he sees Nell right there as a bent neck lady. And she says, don't above him on the yeah on the ground. Yeah. Yeah. And she says, don't. And then Liv appears. and starts to pull him in. In the grave. In the grave. She's in the grave next to the coffin looking up at him. ah Just setting the scene for how creepy that was. Very creepy. Would you count that as a jump scare? cause That was my maybe. that was I put a question mark. I put a maybe.
01:03:26
Speaker
That was the only jump scare that I noticed that I would. And even then I was like, I don't know, because the way they did it wasn't a sudden jolt yeah kind of a thing. It was like a reveal. Yeah, but it was creepy, creepy, even though I'm not going to say it's 100 percent a jump scare, but it was creepy. OK, so we won't count it as jump scare, but well it was for sure creepy. Yeah. um Then Steve comes to the rescue, grabs him, picks him up, and he tells him to get his stuff together. That's polite way of saying it. Get your act together. Because he doesn't want to bury him either. There's more he says there. It's the same thing that he's been saying. I contest that Steve saw the same thing Luke just saw. Oh, really? Yeah.
01:04:24
Speaker
but he has this position of, if you ignore it, it can't affect you. He has this avoidant take on everything. listen And he's saying, if you let this get to you, you're gonna end up like mom, you're gonna end up like Nell, and I don't wanna lose you too. Okay, so you do think you saw it? Yeah. I do. Even though he probably didn't have the paranormal experiences in the house, I think he saw, based on what happens later in the episode also with Theo and Hugh, um i I do think he saw Liv in the, excuse me, he saw Liv in the grave. I don't know if he saw Nell.
01:05:10
Speaker
but I think when he was pulling Luke away from the grave, I think he saw what but Luke was seeing. okay Otherwise, why would he have such a big reaction? Why would he know exactly what he was talking about? Instead of like, what what do you mean you saw mom? He was like, no, you didn't. No, you didn't. He went immediately to don't instead of what do you mean? He wasn't asking for explanation because he already saw it. He knew exactly what happened. That's why he was so heated. Yeah. He went from zero to 10. Okay. So fast. I liked that. I liked that a lot. Um, but yeah, he's, he's saying the things that you are seeing aren't real. They aren't real. Yeah. Right. Okay. I think Steve saw them too, but I think Steve's way of dealing with it is to,
01:06:08
Speaker
Basically what their dad said and what they referenced later is that big boys know the difference between real and imaginary. Right. Yeah. Okay. I like that point. Thank you. Sorry.
01:06:26
Speaker
I was going to be like, you're welcome. But then I gave them some spit. We're professional. I'm classy.
01:06:37
Speaker
Then we get a flashback to young Hugh and he wakes up to find live holding a screwdriver to his neck. Oh my gosh. He's a little rattled. And then he gets angry. You can tell she was out of it and he was like, what's wrong with you? Okay. But if your husband, if you wake up and you find your husband is holding like a knife or somebody to your neck, I think you would be a little angry too. Like what's going on? Like, why get it away from my neck? What are you doing?
01:07:07
Speaker
fair And maybe after the fact you can calm down and look at a situation, what's going on, you know? He just immediately went on the offense like, what's wrong with you? And I'm like, there's probably a lot of things wrong with her right now. Well, she says she she was having a ah horrible dream. And the nightmare. And then with a creepy smile, she denies holding the screwdriver to his neck. She's like, no, I didn't. You silly little goof. Of course I didn't do that.
01:07:46
Speaker
So I could see why he would be a little offensive. It's like, yeah, you did. I was right here. It was on my neck.
01:07:55
Speaker
Obviously he loves her. She was like, you need some help. I love you so much. But we, there's something going on and you need, you need to go. Um, that's kind of funny. And To prove his point, he takes her to the blueprint that she gave him for Hell House. And he says it's made up of the mini blueprints for their forever house. Yeah. So if you think of that about that a little deeper, it's interesting that the house is turning. Oh, it's turning into her forever house. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
01:08:41
Speaker
So I just love that part. I was like, oh, that's really creepy. But I love that little detail. Yep. But then she she kind of breaks down and she starts crying and sobbing and says it's the dreams and the migraines and everything. She's been having a hard time lately and that she'll go and stay with Aunt Janet. Sister Janet. Sister Janet. Yeah. But Aunt Janet. Yeah.
01:09:11
Speaker
Um, and then Hugh and Lou talk in the present day. And he was saying that he sees live every day. And then it's a coping mechanism. This is after he saw Steve. Right. This is after the graveside service. This is back at the, at the, uh, mortuary. Yeah. At the funeral home. And yeah, Luke is standing up by himself next to like the, uh, the, entrance. And so he goes over and talks to him and he's saying, Hey, it's okay. Like what you saw, basically, I see, I see, um, live every day, your mom every day. Um, it's a coping mechanism, but sometimes it's huge coping mechanism. It's their terror. Yeah. Yeah. I applaud his effort for trying to connect and be like, yeah, me too. But it's different. Like I, you know, we said before, I. I'm thinking that.
01:10:11
Speaker
that that Hughes live is a projection, is his projection of her talking back at him.
01:10:22
Speaker
and Not the same thing as a ghostly, scary, rotten apparition doing harm. His version is beautiful, ethereal, helpful, wifely. There's this like demonic, You're going to die basically. Basically. So, but he's, so he's trying to validate Luke and saying, Hey, what you're seeing is okay. You know, but then Luke throws it right back in his face and he says, big boys know what's real and imaginary. And then he goes outside. you Remember dad in a quotations before a smoke. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
01:11:07
Speaker
So that was that was kind of a fun callback. Yeah. But then he notices Luke was standing like right next to a purse and it was opened. And we don't get any more from that. Then we go back to the past and Young Hugh is working on the basement and he hears the scratching again. Um, it was like, this is it. I'm going to get you suckers.
01:11:42
Speaker
I'm just remembering back at the part where he tries to open the red door ah when he's like banging on it and everything. And he's like, F you. I don't know why his frantic like F you swearing at the door made me laugh. And maybe it shouldn't, but it was just so like, he was so frenzied.
01:12:13
Speaker
it It was funny. It was a little funny. Sorry. It just reminded me of that. But that was like. It's it's this almost the same. Yeah. Because he's like getting the bricks out. He's like, oh, I'm going to kill you guys. Yeah. He's like, I might get you. I might get these first. I'm like, get you. He's like going to take all his frustration. healthy
01:12:39
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ah
01:12:45
Speaker
Again, some really good lighthearted moments in this episode. This one's not a downer this time. For a few seconds. For a little bit. He pulls some bricks out and then he like screams and crawls backwards and he ends up finding a dead body. And it was William Hill. It was the oldest case. Did you see the woman in the background? Huh? Did you see the woman in the background?
01:13:16
Speaker
No, get on your phone, get on Netflix, go to 48. I suspected that you might've missed this because my husband missed it. I missed it. We had to rewind it and watch it back. Go to like 48, 49 minutes. We're doing this live. I want you to watch the part where he's pulling out the bricks, but I want you to look past him and see what you see. What, what part, like when he's pulling the bricks out, 48 to 15 minutes, the whole scene where he starts pulling out the bricks. Okay. I'm on it right now. They're scratching. He's watering the bricks. He's scratching. Yep. Now he's scratching just past him.
01:14:04
Speaker
I just see the lights right now. Keep going. Okay. Okay.
01:14:14
Speaker
Is this building attention? Just keep watching. Oh, he says the little craps. ah Still dead. Yep. Where is it? Where is it? Where is it? I mean, some of the drapings look like dresses. If you... not No. Okay. I know what I'm talking about. But I don't see the shape of a woman. Watch. He just pulled the first first breakout.
01:15:02
Speaker
I don't see it. Are you kidding me? I don't see it. How are you not seeing that? ah Oh, oh, oh, oh, holy crap. Oh, that's terrifying. Oh, oh, wow. wow Okay. Right. So scary. Oh, that's so creepy. And then she's watching him. That's a face. And that's her. That's a woman.
01:15:34
Speaker
um Oh, wow. Okay. It's like those pictures where and there's like a face in a shadow. You know what I'm talking about? Those pictures that went around the internet for a while where it's like when you see it. Yeah. ah Now I have goosebumps. I don't like that. So creepy. Wow, that was a good that was a good observation. Thank you for that. um I'm so glad you missed it. Do this do it live. Now you all have to go and find it too and tell us what you thought because i that's the first time I've ever seen that.
01:16:13
Speaker
She's just watching him. She's just like peeking around that edge and watching him mix it blend in. Cause it's just the drapes. And the first time I was like, did I just see what I saw? And I asked my husband, did you see the woman? He was like, no, like rewind, rewind. And he was like, holy crap. So scary. That's gary buts not even a jump scare. That's just terrifying. It was just scary. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Um,
01:16:45
Speaker
Besides that, there's also a dead body. There's a ghost and the rotting corpse. Okay, so why do you think he bricked himself in? Do you think that woman has anything to do? I don't know. He had the tools in his hand. That's true. And, but there were scratches on the inside. The, the, the policeman says, so was he like, maybe he was going through like some psychosis, like I think it does later, maybe. Well, we know what happened to Nell, where it looks like she did it herself, but the house kind of tricked her into it. But I had a theory, him into it I had a theory that the house affects women more.
01:17:31
Speaker
I know you did them. So maybe there's a correlation, but I don't think that is the role. Yeah, maybe not. Okay. Wow. Thank you for that. That was a great catch. You're welcome. Um, yeah, but it was William Hill. It was the oldest cold case that they had. And it looks like he wrecked himself in, um, Which, if you say that in a different way, it sounds dirty. Because the way I was taking my notes and everything, I was about to say, it looks like he bricked himself up, but then that sounds really wrong in the terms of how kids talk nowadays.
01:18:15
Speaker
um so yeah its yeah yeah but the police um The policeman is talking to him. It's the same one that's interrogating him later. um And at the end, he's like, all are all the stories right? You know, everyone always has something to say about Hill House, but is it haunted? And he's like, yeah, at least that's what my kids think. You know, my kids yeah that and think seen things, you know, whatever.
01:18:51
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um
01:18:54
Speaker
And then we're back in the present and he was talking to Steve and everything and they're both like, yeah, we got early flights tomorrow morning. Um, and he invites him over to his apartment room so they can have a drink or something. Um, and Steve basically denies it or declines. And he takes him and he's like, Steve, you know, he's about to say something. And then we see live telling him all the things to say. And he ignores all of that. And he and he says, have a safe flight or something like that. Yeah, ah was I can't remember what he said. It's like he really needed to hear that, you know. Yeah. Why? Why? Why won't you say it to him?
01:19:45
Speaker
And then we get that Shirley is missing her card and the U.S. car is gone and she thinks that she really towed it or something because of everything that's going on. And then they figure out that Luke took it. They took Shirley's credit card and the car. And I like how Steve is like he's the first one to jump on.
Luke's Disappearance and Suspense
01:20:09
Speaker
Ah, he couldn't even stay clean for an hour or the day or something like that. He's going out to get more heroin. And like, come on now, have some more faith in your brother. He's nine months clean. Or was it 90 days? I think it was 90 days. I think it was still 90 days. Yeah. Or was it, didn't he get his six month? Maybe that was it. Yeah. Um, but I just like, that's the first thing you go to that he's going out to go get heroin.
01:20:39
Speaker
That's how badly you think of your brother. I think Luke set that up for himself. He set the pattern of expectations. And so and maybe it's not true, but what else are they going to think? Yeah. But then Theo and Hugh see a dirt path. And it ends up being some, somebody, I don't really know who it's supposed to be. I don't know if it's live. I don't know. They walk in through the room to like the office, I think. And the forever house model is completely smashed and there's dirt all over it. Like somebody stomped all over it.
01:21:22
Speaker
And then they see, I liked the setup to this spot because they're looking at the smashed forever house model. And then they look over by the desk and there's like a shadow, like something's moving behind the desk. Yeah. Yeah. So creepy. I like how it was like the camera's on the floor. Yeah. And then the apparition or whatever is starts just crawling after them. And Theo was like, um she was like bending over like on the ground, like looking at the pieces, like worried that Shirley was gonna think that she did it or something. She's like, Shirley's gonna be so pissed, I think.
01:22:02
Speaker
She said something to that effect. And so she's inspecting the pieces to the broken house. I think that's when they notice the shadow and hear the, I think wheezing, I didn't hear wheezing, but, and then that thing comes at her crawling on the ground, which I have said before, I hate that so much. So scary. But it had like a gash. She it was a woman, but she had like a big injury to her face.
01:22:38
Speaker
And it didn't look like no, and it didn't look like live. Yeah, I don't know who that was supposed to be. We even even watched that part twice, trying to figure out who is that. That's why that's one of my notes. I have somebody question mark a dead body. I don't know who it's supposed to be. Right. Because it could be live, but I don't. I didn't see it. So, yeah, I don't think so. Yes. If you guys know we're having the same way. Yeah. If you guys have any theories, go ahead and comment down. um But that's I counted that as a jump scare. I don't know if you would consider it one, but I put that one down as a jump scare. If if you don't think so, we can just race it and just have none for the episode. um It didn't come across as a jump scare to me.
01:23:29
Speaker
um but i can see how it could be okay i think we'll have like two halves maybe yeah we'll put one for the episode we'll do that one a collective one um which i either You or I might need to go back to the episodes and figure out how many jump scares we're in. Oh my gosh. Cause I haven't been keeping correct tally of cause.
01:24:04
Speaker
At the end of my notes, I'll put how many I think, but I'd never go back and change it to whatever we decide. So I don't how tally it up right now. so Amazing. Before the season ends. Sorry. But we don't do anything with that information. It's just fun. Yeah, it's just fun.
01:24:31
Speaker
Theo, Theo ends up in his arms, basically, surely comes her away because he sees it, too. Yeah, it's not just Theo. Right. And then it goes away and surely obviously comes in at the wrong time that we need her because it now looks like either Theo or Hugh might have smashed her forever house and she's really upset and distraught. She's like, which one of you did this? Like, who did this? Um, and Hugh again says, you it's okay. I can fix it. I can fix it. I can fix it. And then young Q flashes back. I liked the, the word play they do. Cause the cop was like, this is, you're not fixing things. And he was at this point, it feels like he's getting interrogated. The cop is like, it's not lining up that these things don't look good. Like you're not telling me everything.
01:25:28
Speaker
What happened in those three hours when you left and then you called the cops? Like we're missing three hours here. You're not giving it to me. Between when he found Liv and when he called the police. Yeah. He's got three hours. Yeah. Yeah. Which is suspicious. Yeah. The cop is asking all these questions and he's like, um, I told you everything that happened. and I've told you everything.
Red Room Revelation and Episode Ending
01:25:56
Speaker
And then the cop asks about the red room and he says nothing happened. But we get in.
01:26:03
Speaker
Kind of like a flashback, Hugh running towards the red room and it being which is open. And I think whats just when you're watching that for the first time, you're like, oh, crap, it's open. Yeah. Yeah. What the heck is going on? I know. Yeah. I know that pulled me in and was like, I got to watch the next episode. You know how some episodes are like, Oh, I can wait until till tomorrow to watch the next one. I want to watch it, but I can wait. Yeah. I think this one was one of the ones where like, I have to keep watching right now. Now at this point, these last three episodes were the same way. I was like, I can't stop watching this. I need, ah I need the next one right now. It's so hard to wait. Yeah. Cause everything's been a slow build up until this point.
01:26:53
Speaker
So um that's the end of the episode. I think we'll end with a final jump scare count of one, since we're putting the halves together.
01:27:06
Speaker
Is Davey doing something he's not supposed to? do No, that's it's Poe. Oh, OK. He's my big black kitty. He's the sweet one. He's the angel. Ah, got it. Yeah, Davey is his opposite counterpart. They do not get along. They're not friends.
Analyzing Hugh's Parenting and Family Relationships
01:27:30
Speaker
I was going to say something. I can't remember, but yeah, but that's the end of the episode. Hugh. I think I give him a good.
01:27:45
Speaker
7.9 right now, I guess we could give him that. Yeah, just because he i could say a good 7.5. Yeah, just because he's trying to be there for his kids. We see, we we find, we know that he's a fixed rapper, that he's good at observing and then acting upon it. If we find later that, in my opinion, if he really wasn't involved with his kids after they left Hill House, then I'd have to knock him down to like a six. Yeah.
01:28:21
Speaker
Which is my suspicion. I don't remember directly from when I watched it, when the series first came out, but from their reactions to him coming into town for the funeral and the services, they don't really regard him warmly. They're very distant and critical, like I said before. So if that's the case, so for now it's a tentative seven and a half. Yeah. Cause we see he's a good father when they're little, but then what happened in between with all of those years for them not to be close anymore. any And he hasn't been around his grandkids, which I think was under his control. That's my guess is that it was his choice to stay distant. I honestly can't remember if we get an answer on that or not, but we'll find out. Um, okay. Everyone else pretty much stays the same for me.
01:29:15
Speaker
Shirley maybe drops a little bit just because she's kind of annoying right now. Understandably, understandably. Yeah, my husband called her bad names. What were those bad names, huh? I can't say those names. I'm not old enough to talk like that.
01:29:36
Speaker
But I was like, I think it was in the beginning of the episode when she ah didn't want to talk to her husband. She didn't want to talk to Kevin. She was like, just go get the flowers. the work that she gives them Exactly. She was like all about business because I'm sorry. She just found out about a huge betrayal. I agree. It was a huge betrayal to go behind her back with something that, you know, like that. Uh, whether you think he was right or wrong, he was wrong to hide it from her. It was very disrespectful and yeah, it was like a betrayal.
01:30:17
Speaker
So I understand why he did it, but I understand her reaction to it. And so when my husband called her names and I was like, hold on now. And I explained all of that. And he was like, Hmm. Yeah. That's why I love these characters because they're written well, you know. Exactly. Like you can understand why Shirley's acting the way that she is, but I don't, I still don't like it. You know, I understand. Right. Right. And then, so I don't really have any comments from him. So no, like official Corey's comments. He didn't have a whole lot to say.
Corey's Remarks and Character Critiques
01:30:54
Speaker
No, I mean, he like said something about the crazy blueprint. um Because I think when, when Hugh unrolled it and looked at it, he was like, that's not right. Or somebody said something. I don't know if it was the caretaker or the dad said something about it not being like normal my husband was like oh no that's not right yeah that was all that was the only interesting thing he said other than saying mean things about Cheryl and then when Theo had a reaction to her fling coming to this her sister's funeral
01:31:29
Speaker
He was like, what? He thought that he was being like too much. And I was like, okay I don't know. He was like, wow, she is too. And I'm like, wow, you're angry at women today.
01:31:49
Speaker
I love that. You're angry at women today. I don't I just don't I don't I don't see him like criticizing the men as much, but yeah. people tend to you know empathize with what's more familiar to them, so. That is true. Yeah. He's a good man. He's not a woman hater. Before you guys get on here, he's saying, do you believe your husband? No. Make me. I will fight you. What was I saying? He just wasn't thinking that deeply.
01:32:29
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I know you guys watched that night, so it's probably a good time for him to just kind of turn his brain off and just enjoy a show. So yeah. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. And that's fair. But I don't really analyze anything until like, unless it's like comes to me in the moment, but until we're talking about it, I really don't think that deeply about it either. Yeah, I mean, either either i just I just write notes down and if I think of something, I'll write it. But ah it's usually during the episodes where I'm like, wait a minute. Yeah. The only deep thing I thought of during the episode was where they they were sitting on the couch and how they left that spot empty. And that happened to be where Liv was sitting or the projection of Liv was sitting that they left open. Okay. That's the only thing that really caught me. And then all the fun stuff we get to unpack while we talk.
Subtle Scares Appreciation
01:33:25
Speaker
Yeah, this one was a little bit slower, I think. ah So I can see why he wouldn't have much to say, but hopefully the coming episodes will be a lot of good reveals that hopefully we'll get. Yeah. Yeah. He knows about our Corey's comments segment. So I think i I didn't want him to, but I was like, I kind of need to let him know as a moral thing. Yeah, but then just when he's not thinking about what to say, everything is ends up just being so much more like, natural, authentic, which ends up being funnier. Otherwise, he tries to contrive something and then it's, you know, not as fun, but yeah. Yeah. Well, that is all I have for this episode. If you have anything else,
01:34:22
Speaker
Nope, it's a good time. I liked it. I liked the scary moments. I like how they still added scary moments because it easily could have had none. Easily didn't, you know, but I liked how they incorporated some and it still stayed true to the plot line and the story. Yeah, it wasn't unnecessary. It wasn't needlessly shoved in there, just for scary sake. Yeah. And I like how we're struggling to find jump scares, you know? Yeah. I kind of like that because it shows, yeah it tells us that this is not the kind of shit that's going to do that, you know?
Looking Forward and Self-Care Reminder
01:35:04
Speaker
Yep. So, uh, next episode is called witness marks. And I'm excited to get witness marks.
01:35:14
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01:35:17
Speaker
And I'm excited to get into these next three episodes because I think I remember these ones the least. So it'll be fun to get into these again. too But that's all I have. Thank you everyone who listened to this week and we hope you to see you next week as well. Thank A daily reminder to get out and get some sunshine in the morning, you know, some sunshine in the morning grass on your feet. Oh, it was a good way to start your day. Absolutely. And if you don't have anything else to say. No, I think we'll leave it there. Perfect. Thank you everyone and we'll see you next week. Thank you. Bye. Bye.
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