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Episode 9: Screaming Meemies
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We've reached The Haunting of Hill House's penultimate episode: Screaming Meemies. Olivia cannot keep fact from fiction as the House slowly drives her into madness; but is the House itself at fault? or is it because of the residential mean girl, Poppy? Hugh tries to send her away, but Liv really, really wants to have a tea party. Listen in as we experience all this trauma and horror together, here on Fans o'Flanagan.
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Introducing the Haunted 'House on the Hill'
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It's time for House on the Hill. What? It's haunted. Do you mean the haunting of a hill house? Exactly. Let's go.
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Welcome back, everyone, to Fans of Flanagan. I'm Noah and I'm Laura. And this week we are going to talk about episode nine of The Haunting of Hill House. It's called Screaming Mimi's.
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screaming babies. Uh, I apologize. I'm stuffy. So I'm going to sound probably a little less good today. Less good, less gooder. I'm sure my dad will appreciate that.
00:01:30
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Oh, I don't know what it is about Florida in the beginnings of summer. But it just hates me. So here we are. Is it allergies or? It probably changes altitude, altitude. That doesn't change.
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I'm allergic to cats and I have two of them. So two cats. Yeah, I do. Also, this is like fans of Flanagan after dark, so it might get a little unhinged. I to keep it.
00:02:03
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Just a tiny bit, but. We'll try to keep it professional, but no guarantees. I feel like it's on brand for us at this point. Yeah. That's fair.
Personal Updates and TV Recommendations
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So Laura, before we start talking about this week's episode, what have you been watching? I just want you to know I came so prepared today. You can't see like, Oh, there it is. All my notes.
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for those For those of you who don't know, it has been what, at least a month? i got i can I can check and see when the last time was. March 25th was the last time we recorded. So there's a bit of a delay between our our up uploads, our publishing, and where we're actually at. So um to date, we have all of season one published and two episodes of season two published, which
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I love it. I'm so excited that we're this far in. It's great. Um, but yeah, there's been a delay in our recordings. So, um, so some of the stuff that I've watched, I finished watching like a while back. I think the last time we talked, I had just started three body problem. I binged it. It was so good. Okay. And there's the, it's based on a book, but there's a, um,
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Is it, I don't want to get this wrong. I don't know if it's a Japanese version or the Chinese version that came first on Amazon, but Netflix, um Netflix picked it up and they've done a season. It's, it's a fun show. Although season, not season, excuse me, episode two,
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strong content warning. There's a whole bunch of naked bodies running on a beach. great just a bunch of nudies just running it's all out in context of the show but i did have to like look away and skip a little bit always fun But other than that, other than that, it was fine. Um, I texted you the other day and I was like, you have to watch baby reindeer. If you haven't seen that yet, it's like a hot topic right now on social media and the news because they just interviewed the real woman that it's based off of. It's wild. It's crazy. And we'll have to check that out then.
00:04:45
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Yeah. Yeah. And after you do, we can we can talk about it a little bit.
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Um, I just started watching a show called dark matter on apple tv Okay, they just released the first two episodes. It's interesting. Um, it's kind of like a not dimensions but like alternate paths like if you decide something and it changes your life like what would it be like if you Chose this or chose that so we'll see where that goes and then uh in the movie theater Um, we saw a Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare. That was a fun movie. That one was great. Did you see it? Yeah. I was kind of bored.
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You were bored? I was kind of bored. yeah So I was entertained and then my husband was just fact checking the whole thing because he's a big World War II buff. So he was just like, actually, like the whole movie, actually. And I'm like, can we just watch the movie? And then I kind of ran out of things to watch. So I started watching Gilded Age on HBO.
TV Show Reviews: 'Ripley' and 'Gilded Age'
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And I don't know how I feel about it. It's kind of like the Downton Abbey of New York City back in the day. Interesting. So the rivalries don't make sense to me. It's like old New York rich versus the new and up and coming rich. So there's like rivalries with that and drama with that. But then like, I don't know why it bugs me, but whoever wrote the show doesn't understand correct grammar.
00:06:32
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So there's supposed to be these very rich, refined people, but then all of their sentences are structured wrong. It's so bad. It's so bad. And not that I'm like perfect at talking high, but if you're going to be a writer for a show, please just figure out how to. Right. That's your job. Figure out how to like, you know, have some ah above average grammar, I don't know. But yeah, what about you? What are you watching? um I watched the original Twister for the first time a couple of weeks back. Oh, okay.
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Um, I hadn't seen it before and the new one's coming out. And so we're like, why not? Let's watch it. Um, I had a good time with that. It's fun. It's nothing special, but it's fun. Okay. Um, I love Philip Seymour Hoffman and that one going yeah loser, move on.
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So now that's going to be a quote in the household that we use. I love it. Um, we tried watching the perfect peripheral. Yeah. And I think we got like four or five episodes in and I was like, why do we care? Like I, I don't care. No, uh, I'm bored. I don't care. I don't really know what's happening and I don't care to know what's happening.
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Oh, it's kind of a confusing show. I get it. But how are you not like sucked in by episode four or five? I don't I don't know. I just started over because started over get more context. You have a little bit of a baseline now started over just for me started over for me. You might like it better because I saw.
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I think I did the same thing because I started watching it and I was like oh my gosh my husband would love this show so I stopped I think I watched two or three episodes and then I started from the beginning so he could watch it with me and I was like this show is great well okay I'll have to go back and and try to rewatch that one and that's the one where it's like the video game yeah like transporting them yeah okay just make sure we're on the same page
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Um, and then we tried to start Ripley. um is based That was on my list too. Yeah. I wanted to talk about that. Go ahead. There's nothing bad about it, but we just really haven't gone past like episode one or two. It's a slow, it's a slow moving show and that doesn't really change, but that's one of the things that I like about it. Cause it makes it scary.
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Yeah, I'm considering just showing her the original movie. That one is creepier. It's creepy, kind creepy in different ways, though. Yeah. r is it Andrew Scott, I really like. yeah really Yeah, I'm a big fan of his. um That one is how far are in are you like?
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an episode maybe two so he hasn't killed anybody yet no okay well we'll talk about that after you get through some of those because it makes it so scary because of how like i don't know it's just too real for me yeah like it's clumsy and it's awkward and it's scary because it's i don't know it's just a little too like what would really happen be right, which we've established. We've established a stop while we like watching movies or TV. Right. It's supposed to be an escape, not like a, this could actually happen.
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a
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But I did finish it and i um I'm glad i I saw it. It gave me nightmares after. Oh, great. Fantastic. yeah After his first kill. I mean, it's the talented Mr. Ripley has been around for a while, so it's not really that much of a spoiler that that's what it's going to be about.
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um it It gave me after his first, yeah, first kill. I had had a pretty disturbing nightmare. I did not like that. So it took me a minute to get back into it. But Andrew Scott is so good. He is. He is. I really enjoy him. So good. Like I rewatch Sherlock just to see him in that again. And then he's in ah Fleabag.
00:11:30
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I've heard good things about that one. Second season of Fleabag. Yeah. I think he's in an upcoming movie that looked interesting, but I can't remember the name of it right now. I can't even say like you should watch Fleabag because it's kind of a graphic show in certain ways. Um, so I do a lot of skipping, especially in season one, even if you just picked it up on season two, um, you'd be fine.
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Cause the first episode of season two is probably one of the best episodes of a TV show I've ever seen. Wow. Ever. Oh, it, the opening is like magnificent, but you don't get it until you see it. Oh, he's in 1984. Oh, it's a podcast series, a performance of 1984. Yeah. I think it's going to be an audible, like a dramatic reading of it. Yeah.
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yeah Okay, then something called back in action and then Oh, heart of darkness. Another creepy good one for Andrew Scott.
00:12:42
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um Another show I've been watching it or that I finished with Shogun. I don't know if you've seen it. I haven't started that. I loved it. Really good. It was really, really, really good. I had a great time watching it. And there were some of the memes that I saw after the show, it was was funny, making fun of the the white character in the show. But um it was really good. There you see a dude getting boiled alive in the first episode. Oh, but that's
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It kind of sets the sort of feel for the rest of the show. It's not overly graphic, but it does have its moments. So I know it's based on a book. Haven't read the book. Really love the show though.
Podcast Audience and Australian TV Favorites
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And then lastly.
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We have been watching the Gentleman Show on Netflix that's based off of the Guy Ritchie movie in that universe. For that world, I guess. I have debated watching that. Do you like it? I love it. I'm having a lot of fun. We really enjoy it. I like Theo James.
00:14:04
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um His brother is infuriating.
00:14:11
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oh But it's a good show. I like it. Okay. I know I've seen other movies. I just couldn't tell you right now. I keep trying to watch His Dark Materials because that's been out for a while. And that's on HBO, but it's the weirdest thing every time I turn it on. I watch it and I'm invested in it and it's interesting and then I fall asleep.
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That's, I can't even like fall asleep. normally like in my bed, but then all of a sudden I'm falling asleep and it's the only TV show right now that I try to sit and watch and I fall and there's no, it's not boring. It's not bad. It's just this weird correlation. It's not causing it. It's just weird, but it's happened like three times now. And then I don't know how long I'm asleep for, but all of a sudden I don't know how many episodes have passed. I don't know what's going on. I don't have the energy to like go and rewatch what I've slept through. So what do you do?
00:15:15
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Well, you use it to fall asleep when you can't fall asleep. No, that's what the office is for.
00:15:24
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Anyway, you don't have anything else. I think we're ready to get to the. Oh, I do have a little bit of something else because we've been published for a little bit. And so I was looking at our stats and I have a few of our download stats. And so downloads could mean like one person downloading it or listening to an episode, however many times there could be, you know,
00:15:51
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that many people listening to an episode. And it could be just a bunch of people listening to the first one. And it does break it down by like, how many people have listened to this one. So our first episode, we've had 22 listeners, which like 22, 22. But our retention rate is about 50%, which isn't bad. That's, that's about my 50% isn't bad. That's about who we've had.
00:16:19
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good i say that's That's about how my podcast was too. yeah And you can actually see if you look in depth in the episode about where people stop listening. Oh, no, I don't want to know that.
00:16:35
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No, thank you. Because it's going to be like when I'm on one of my rants and I don't know the securities. Okay. um But our average per episode download is about 12, which is like almost double what I was expecting. I was expecting like five or six, which is what we were at. But now it's like 12 to 14 average. Wow. Like, hi, guys. Thanks for like,
00:17:05
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Maybe it's just family. I was thinking it's just gotta be family, right? It's got, you know, your family probably more than mine.
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But you can break it down by like regions and then even by states and like by city. I didn't go, I didn't write any of that down, but, um, United States, 193 downloads, Canada, 28. Hi, Canada. Belgium have, yeah. Oh, it gets crazy. This is so cool. Okay. Belgium.
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is third at 14. Hi, Belgium. I'm in Brussels. So it might be just like one person, which I think is fantastic. I was in Brussels on a layover in the year 2000. So hi, Brussels. 12 downloads in France. 8 downloads in the UK. It's all the French people that I visited. Do you have a lot of?
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Facebook friends, at least 12 or one that's listened to every episode. yeah um Six in England, two in Scotland, five downloads in Australia, one in Germany, one in Mexico, and here comes this one, one in Zimbabwe.
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Wow. I know. And it could just, they started listening and then like gave up on us, but I don't know. It's super cool. And I was so excited about Australia, the five downloads in Australia. Cause I love Australian TV and I was going to list off my favorite Australian shows.
00:18:40
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Um, first of all, Kath and Kim. Epic. Kath and Kim is like a pop culture staple. I'm just going to let you know, I have nothing to contribute to this conversation. So it's going to be you talking to the Australians. Awesome. We're BFFs now. Australia. Hi. It's okay. I call, I call Brussels and Belgium. Think about waffles and chocolate over there.
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So Kath and Kim, I binged that show so hard. It is unhinged. It is one of the funniest things I've ever seen on TV. I love Kath and Kim. Offspring, it's a family. I think I've even talked about it before. It's like a family med, it's a family drama, medical drama mix. um I recommend that to like everybody that I can.
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a newer one called Boyce. Actually, these last three are pretty new. Boyce swallows universe, which I think you should watch. That one is on Netflix. It is super interesting, and it's a little different, but I really liked it. Then The Tourist. um That was a new one. With... a That one actor, I can't remember what his name is. He's from Ireland. But I loved that one. It's got two seasons. And then there was like a one off season of WellMania that I watched. That one was probably my least favorite on the list. But it was a fun watch, regardless. So hi, Australia. Thanks for listening.
00:20:18
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even so yeah Give us a hello on Instagram so we can like know that you're really there. here Are you listening? are you We get better. Papa, can you hear me?
00:20:43
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Hey, remember when you said this episode was gonna be a little more unhinged? Did I call it or what?
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ah Anyway, in case people don't understand, this project of ours, fans of Flanagan, is just for us to talk to each other.
Podcasting Journey Insights
00:21:07
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My goal is not to reach like a super wide audience here. We're glad to have you. um But I, you know, if it if it doesn't go past that, I'll still be happy. Yeah, because this is a this is a fun time. fights we is but and We love these shows. And if you like listening along with us too, that just makes it even better.
00:21:25
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Um, even if it was just like your, oh, by the way, Noah, I can see in Florida, how many downloads and it is not as many episodes as we have published. So what's up with that, dude? Listen, um, I am backlogged. Listen, you got to do for the numbers.
00:21:48
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All you got to do is hit play. ski ski Skip, skip, skip, skip, skip. Then just hit Mark is played. You're right. You're right. I am right. How dare you. I i was distracted by Stormlight archives.
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um ah Except you're forgiven. Thanks. And then obviously, obviously I had to listen to a companion podcast where they went through chapter by chapter. So I was kind of, I was kind of busy for a couple of weeks, but now I run out of things to listen to. Aren't you so glad you started that book? Cause I told you. Oh, it is so good. It is so good.
00:22:33
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but now I'm gonna take a break. I'm not gonna read, what is it, Oathbringer next? I'm gonna read Warbreaker. I'm gonna read Dress of the Emerald Sea. I bought that one in hard copy. I haven't finished it yet. It's such a pretty cover too. Exactly. It's so pretty. It's like I have to go get it. He wrote that one for his wife, Brandon Sanderson, is who we're talking about. Yeah.
00:22:59
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Um, I don't want to like oversell Warbreaker, but I really think you're gonna like that one based on how many times I've reread it. And they have like a fully produced um audiobook version of it with like sound effects and everything, so.
00:23:22
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See, I tried doing that with word breaker this like yesterday morning. No, you got to have regular for. Yeah. I just didn't. I was like, the accents are kind of weird, but. Yeah, but but we'll see. Elantris. Yeah, I'm probably going to read that. I think I honestly am probably going to go back and read Mistborn era one. Yeah. Before I step foot in it with Bringer.
00:23:50
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Yeah. So I want more Cosmere connections. That's what I want. Yeah. Literally every YouTube video that I watch is like, you should have read Mistborn before you go into Stormlight. So I was right. Because that was one of his earlier.
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books. Even, even B dubs himself. I don't know why I called him B dubs. Even Brando himself. Oh, B dubs. I don't know why that came to mind. That's probably Wild Wings. My mind doesn't function after 9pm very well.
00:24:34
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Even Brandon Sanderson are on a nickname basis. Yeah, that's B-dubs, you don't know B-dubs? He calls me, my nickname for him is, who are you? You guys can just stop listening right now, it's not gonna get better.
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My asthma, okay.
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You're tweeting him and he's like, who are you? And you're like, I have a podcast. He's like, I wasn't about
Social Media Interactions and Book Discussions
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my books. I'm like, no. No. At Mac Flanagan.
00:25:43
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They're losing it! I just want everyone to know I'm crying right now.
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Big fans.
00:26:08
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All right, it's been 25 minutes. We should probably talk about like playing in an Altingenville house. I'm ready. It'll also be up a little bit. a health We'll see. We'll see. You know, when you're like... you're yes You're so tired and you go past the really tired stage and you get into the loopy kind of crazy stage of being
Deep Dive into 'Screaming Mimi's' Episode
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tired. I think that's where I am. What a perfect episode to talk about now that I'm in that stage. Oh yeah. Let's go. ah So this episode is episode nine is screaming Mimi's for the jump scare count. I have maybe one.
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I have, like, maybe one-ish, maybe two-ish, but I can't even remember where they were. Okay. I based one of them off of, like, the music. Is that, like, a sting? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even though it didn't, like, get me in the slightest, but... Yeah, me neither. But I have it down here, so we'll get to it. Obviously directed by Mike Flanagan.
00:27:25
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um And this is Liv's episode. This is all her episode. It's focused on her. Was the last episode, Hugh's episode?
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Or not, isn't it? i I don't know if we came to a conclusion about that. We didn't, but like looking at this one, I was like, did we miss Hugh? Because this is obviously all for from perspective, so it's her episode for sure.
00:27:56
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Right. Um, I think we, I think it was his because we got the whole him cutting his hand and sticking him to the fan. Yeah. Sort of thing. You're not in his relationships with the kids. So, um,
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but it's in her, but her perspective, we don't know. I think it says like after the storm or like before the storm or something. um And it's her. Yeah. And she's, she's on the couch and she's cuddling Nella and Luke when they're babies, well not babies, but when they're tiny kids.
00:28:39
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Um, and she says, I wish we could just freeze them. Um, and says they just want them to grow up and she loves them young and whoa.
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She misses when Theo and Shirley. were little. And Steve were that little as well because they're just so cute.
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And then I think we go into the morning after and Mrs. Dudley is trying to clean up the the from the storm and Liv joins her.
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And in the middle of this conversation, Miss Dudley refers to her daughter and that she hates thunderstorms. Liv talks about another storm that she remembered from her childhood when
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She was grieving the death of, I think it was her father. yeah And she was fine throughout the funeral. She was fine throughout the car ride and everything. And there was just one day where there was a storm and that's when it all came to her and it hit her and she felt like the storm and her her grieving were connected. But the storm rained small stones.
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and misjudly that it happened in Revelations as well. I don't really have any more connections other than that. Then Liv is enjoying a cup of tea in a room that we haven't seen before, but we have seen before. But then she gets a migraine. So she goes down to the kitchen to get some water and some medicine, but Luke wants Shirley to give her clothes to Abigail, his friend Abigail, but Shirley says she isn't real. And Liv says, you can't make your sister give her clothes away and just doesn't really solve the rest of the the the conflict. Then goes back upstairs into her reading room is what it's called. Yeah. Um,
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And she opens it to you. That was like her what? It was Shirley. It was Shirley. Yeah. Yeah. Oh no, I'm sorry. I think it was Luke. And then Shirley was like, just leave mom alone. Well, one of them was like the what room? Yeah. Yeah. Some more hands.
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um
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But as she is walking back into her reading room, she walks into Shirley's morgue and sees Nell and Luke dead.
00:31:52
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Um, and it freaks her out and it goes away and she basically collapses against the floor and kind of shocked at what just happened. She don't, she didn't know if it was a ah vision or a dream or anything. And I know she was in bed later with you and, and he was like, you were dreaming. That's that's the only explanation you were just dreaming. It was a bad dream. Um, then live wakes up in the middle of the night.
00:32:23
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And this is a really creepy scene, but I didn't mark it as a jump scare. It sees a figure in the door frame and then the figure like almost automatically leaves. And we're just like, nope. I was watching it today and I was like, uh-uh, that's when you hit the no button and you nope right out of there real fast. Just go back to bed. Just close the door, go back to bed. Nothing happened. Don't engage. Don't talk to them.
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nope nope nope nope that's what you do when you're in st augustine as well because that town has a lot in it um anyway
00:33:05
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I had recently gone to St. Augustine for a friend's wedding and had a couple experiences happen. It's a really old town. It's like, I think one of the oldest in the United States. Um, and there's a lot of stories over there. Um, cause there's, there was a lot that happened cause there's a big fort.
00:33:29
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Anyway, that's cool it's really cool. We went on a ghost tour pub crawl with my friends, obviously without the drinking for me.
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um
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But it was cool to hear the story because the the guy who would take us would tell us different stories about to the pubs and the um the bars that we were going to, as well as the some of the stories from the fort. And it was it was creepy, but it was kind of cool because I kind of like yeah that kind of thing.
00:34:08
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Yeah, and we we were walking back that night um Back to our Airbnb and something happened and I was with my friend and my friends like don't acknowledge them Don't acknowledge it. Just keep like got it. You saw something. No, you didn't Um, first of all, how does Hugh live like sleep through live tapping and pushing on him and saying, wake up, sleep, dad's sleep is a whole other dimension that y'all go into. I know you're not a dad yet, but like, I am so jealous.
00:34:46
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I sleep pretty well. learned Yeah, that's nice. I recently learned though that like biologically a woman's brain is still has a part of it that's aware even when we're asleep, especially when we're a parent. And there's still a part of your brain that's like listening. And that's very true for me. So my husband will be like, oh, I didn't hear anything.
00:35:13
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Sometimes, and this happened, was it on Monday? I don't know, some some evening, like I would wake up And I'm kind of like, why am I awake? And then all of a sudden one of my kids walks into my room and it happened like three times. I don't remember hearing like, sometimes I would wake up because they would like open and close their door, which is around the corner from my room, but.
00:35:40
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not this time, I would just kind of be awake. Then my kid would walk in and I'm like, who is it? Which one is it? What do you want? Cause it's like, you know, they're, they always wake up for a reason, like a tummy ache or they, they, they had an accident or something, but it was my middle son and he was like, can't sleep. i'm like So not that callous, but I'm just like, sorry kiddo, get a drink of water, go to the bathroom and just kind of lay in bed. Like you don't have to be asleep. You just have to be in bed. And then the next one.
00:36:10
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with my youngest son and I don't remember what he needed but he was up for a couple of times he needed help with something but yeah our brains are kind of always aware even when we're sleeping but dads don't have that feature so like there's some mornings Jacqueline gets up earlier than I do her alarm doesn't wake me up anymore um but mine wakes me up anyway it's weird but I
00:36:42
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I can try my hardest not to make the mattress move if I'm trying to get out of the out of bed because I don't want to disturb her. I can try my hardest not to make it move but the tiniest movement. Jeez up.
00:36:56
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Yep. I'm like, ah, I didn't want to wake you up. Anyway, um,
00:37:06
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um it becomes apparent through kind of context clues and what we've heard previously in the series. that this is probably Poppy. um And there's this like creepy scene where Liv goes to the door to see who it was, turns back around and sees Poppy standing over Hugh. That was creepy. And I was like, no.
00:37:35
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She has Liv follow her and they go into Liv's reading room. And Poppy says, I love what you've done with the place. It used to be her dressing room and a nursery. Liv asks if this is a dream and Poppy says they both are. Of course. If she's dreaming. She's like, I'm dreaming. Yeah. You're dreaming. It's all a dream. Yeah. Yeah. Which plays into what she says later. Yeah.
00:38:06
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Um, at one point, Poppy says, Willie's just going to adore you or love you or something. Referring to her husband, which again, they said the story earlier, who was William, I believe William Hill. Um, they were both crazy. I think they met at the asylum, um, when they fell in love. Um, and it's not, I forgot all those details.
00:38:33
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I had to go back on my notes and look at it because it's been so long. Okay. feels so bad because i'm like but um She doesn't directly say it, but um Poppy says that she dreamed that she lost her children, that her daughter and her son died. She had a dream that her daughter died choking on air.
00:39:05
Speaker
And then her boy's legs just stopped working and he would bang on the walls.
00:39:12
Speaker
And I think she said at one point he
00:39:18
Speaker
I can remember how she said that he died in her dream.
00:39:24
Speaker
Sounds like polio. Yeah. Just connecting his leg, stop working, and he would bang on the walls and everything. Now, this episode is where you can start piecing things together and it starts making a lot more sense. So the banging on the wall that the girls heard earlier in the series was probably him. Yeah.
00:39:48
Speaker
And I don't know if it that's the boy in the wheelchair that we see. Oh. Well, yeah, it would be, wouldn't it? Yeah. um I haven't been able to connect the daughter to anything, though. So I don't know. And then she describes what is called the worst dream is so a screaming Mimi, the worst kind of dream, the scariest dream.
00:40:17
Speaker
And Poppy kind of questions Liv if she would wake her kids if they were having screaming Mimi's. If they were having dreams so scary about sick, sad, disease, rot, and darkness.
00:40:33
Speaker
that all she had to do is wake them up, and if she could wake them up, and Liv was like, of course I would wake them up. I wouldn't let them have those dreams. And then Poppy says, I have a secret, and then whispers whispers it into her ear.
00:40:51
Speaker
And I think when she wakes up, is this when she has a screwdriver to Hugh's neck? Yeah. like It cuts right to that scene. Yeah. To the scene that we've seen before and everything. And again, we've seen all of that before. She's like, I just need a break. Maybe I should go. No, I don't. I don't have a screwdriver. So
00:41:23
Speaker
ah One of the later scenes that we haven't seen. Liv is putting the kids to bed when Nell asks what if they have a bad dream like Liv killing them that she sends them into the darkness and they get hurt and their heart breaks and Luke puts poison in his body. um For years and years. For years and years and years.
00:41:54
Speaker
And Dallas was even more heartbreaking because she says her heart breaks and she can't live with it. And it's just so sad. She feels empty forever or something like feels empty for a long time. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah.
00:42:12
Speaker
And again, I think this is Poppy just praying on all the everything that she's been feeding her so far. um And just giving her that fear of her kids suffering and her kids just being scared and being sent into the to the world where it could hurt them.
00:42:38
Speaker
That she's talking to this Dudley
00:42:44
Speaker
And she's she expresses her concerns and she's like, I'm just worried about my kids. You know, it's probably just anxiety and Hugh's there to kind of bring me down and he balances me out and tells me I just, I probably shouldn't worry as much. But then Mrs. Dudley says, no, you should be worried because the world has teeth and is hunger in it's hungry and stupid and it eats endlessly or mindlessly, I think is what it said.
00:43:11
Speaker
And then Miss Dudley says the house is the same and she doesn't let her daughter anywhere near. At first, she didn't work because she didn't want to see another family get preyed upon. But then when she saw it was a family and there were kids, she agreed to only work during the day. Um,
00:43:35
Speaker
Then that's when Miss Dudley was all like, yeah, your son's working on this thing for you, but don't, don't tell him I told you, keep it secret kind of thing. She gets the gift from Steve and she sees, um, dead, dead now and Luke in the glass. And that's why she punches it. We can see it from her perspective now. Um,
00:43:58
Speaker
Later she's talking to Hugh as well. And then Liv says all the colors are gone and she doesn't feel anything But that she's scared and that's it And when they first got to the house, she felt all the colors um and She felt all she saw all the colors. She felt all the feelings which I I think I've heard of that being a thing before people I cannot remember what it's called, but people seeing feelings as colors. There's a thing called synesthesia, where you associate colors with different things like numbers, months, years.
00:44:47
Speaker
I have a little bit of a mild. um Mine isn't as strong. Like I can't tell you this is the exact color because it's a little too ambiguous. But yeah, there's like colors that I have associated with months and numbers. But yeah, it's called synesthesia. I guess it could be applied to like emotions. That makes sense. Is four yellow? No.
00:45:14
Speaker
No, that's just the first thing that came to mind. Seven is for sure like orange. Interesting. I don't know. Yeah. It's hard to like translate what I see into because it's not like a defined for sure color. It's like the impression of the color. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. and I get that.
00:45:40
Speaker
um I thought it was like a normal thing. And I asked my husband, like what color he thought of like January. And he's like, what the heck are you talking about? And I'm like, nothing, nevermind.
Exploring Liv's Emotional Journey and Synesthesia
00:45:50
Speaker
Okay. Bye. It's like a dark blue, dark blue, April's are ah like a green. Yeah.
00:46:02
Speaker
September is red. Okay. October is like Brown, but also November is a different Brown.
00:46:13
Speaker
It's just like it, it's, it just like feels like it should be that color. Yeah. And then like the, the tens, like the teens, the twenties, thirties, forties, you know, forties, those have more like associated colors. Also days of the week.
00:46:37
Speaker
goes on
00:46:41
Speaker
Well, I have it it hasn't been with colors, but i've like i'll relate like days of the week to like numbers or something like that or yeah um Just just things that have no connection at all you feel Like a connection it's weird. I don't know how to describe it. It's fun how our brains will associate things together um Anyway, I feel like maybe this is some form of that that Liv has in
00:47:18
Speaker
Because she's getting all these feelings, she's seeing all these colors. Maybe that's what's causing the migraines. And it's just like, it's too much for her head to handle. Again, this is all speculation. This is all just me. What's your own question? Yeah. So maybe that's going along with her. That is what is going on with her. And because she's more susceptible to like feelings, um,
00:47:47
Speaker
sort of like what Theo is, the house penetrates her more, like yeah it gets to her more. She's also like we're seeing in this episode, engaging with them. Yeah. She's on the cusp of her breakdown. Yeah. And the way she loses time and it's like she's moving through time. Um,
00:48:17
Speaker
It's all connected in a way that I i can't seem to put eloquently. maybe Maybe I'll get there in the last episode. um yeah Before Liv leaves for the airport, Luke asks her if he can have Abigail come over. And she says yes, because they still think that she's just imaginary.
00:48:42
Speaker
um We see Hugo down in the basement and he pulls back the cover. And after all this treatment, after everything they've done, he still sees the black mold and it shouldn't be possible, but it's still there. Yep. Super gross.
00:49:02
Speaker
Yeah. Liv calls from the same motel that Nell was at. Yeah, I noticed that. And makes it seem like she was at Aunt Janet's place, but she wasn't.
00:49:19
Speaker
And all the kids were screaming at Hugh trying to get his attention and he's just trying to talk to to live and everything. And she's keeping it a secret right now that she's not there. She comes back home in the middle of the night and grabs something from Hugh's work area slash basement.
00:49:43
Speaker
and the label in that specific shot is blacked out. But because of a previous establishing shot, we know what it is and it's revealed later.
00:49:56
Speaker
She goes to get Nell and Luke out of their beds and she like hesitates for a moment because Luke is on the ground and she's like, Well, who's with Luke's bed and she looks up and it's this blonde girl. And Luke is like, yeah, that's Abigail. You said she could come over. Also, because it's nighttime, it's kind of like, is she real or is she a ghost?
Tragedy Unfolds in the Red Room
00:50:26
Speaker
That's true. And that stays a little, a little up in the air for a minute.
00:50:32
Speaker
Not for very long, but yeah. No, not for very long. No, but because his first hold it's kind of like, cause I mean, she had been conversing with like coast. Oh, did you, the old lady that called Poppy a liar. Did that already happen? No, no, not yet. Not yet. Oh, not yet. Yeah. That's creepy. It was creepy, but you could tell she was just trying to be nice.
00:50:58
Speaker
Yeah, like the pretty ghost is like the devious one and then like the old scary, haunting, looking old lady was like, don't listen to her.
00:51:10
Speaker
Well, this whole, this whole um season, this whole series, we've never really gotten anything concrete about Abigail. I think we saw her once from Luke's perspective, ah but it was from Luke's perspective. Right.
00:51:28
Speaker
so we don't know. Right, right. um Oh, when when Liv was in the kitchen preparing the tea, Shirley comes in to get something to eat and is surprised that Liv is back and Liv is being kind of weird to Shirley and Shirley doesn't like it. um Anyway,
00:51:56
Speaker
She invites Luke, Nell and Abigail to come have a tea party, a surprise tea party with her. and She says, we have to be quiet. The red room is open. The door is red and it's wide open and there's a light on inside the room.
00:52:16
Speaker
and then Luke is all excited that the door's unlocked, or I think it was now, and they're like, how did you get them luck unlocked? And Liv says, the secret is that we are the key, which, do you have any insight on that? Because I don't right now. ah No.
00:52:38
Speaker
Other than she was like in a different state of mind. I don't know. Maybe she was channeling Poppy a little bit with that. Yeah. The house wanted her to go into there. Yeah. um I find it funny that the only person who, not funny, but I find it interesting, the only person who has never been inside the Red Room has been you. Oh, yeah. Everyone else has had their time in that room.
00:53:08
Speaker
except for him. I think I could be wrong. I could have missed it. But I don't think he's ever been inside that room. There might have been like and a little hint though in the dialogue if he had been because everybody else had like a moment, you know? Yeah. With Steve being his game room and the housekeeper was like, you're what? The look. Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:34
Speaker
Time to go back and watch it for a fifth time.
00:53:40
Speaker
um
00:53:43
Speaker
Shirley then wakes up Hugh and says, wasn't mom supposed to be at Aunt Janet's? He's like, yeah, she's there right now. And she was like, no, she's here oh she's here. She's being really creepy and really weird.
00:53:59
Speaker
Um, and he was like, what the heck is going on here? And the tea party starts and Abigail says that her mom doesn't let her out very much, but Abigail was very sneaky. And I gotta be honest with you. When I watched this for the first time, I didn't put it two and two together. I didn't connect the dots. I didn't know. I didn't see it. Yeah. Um,
00:54:29
Speaker
q then goes to the kid i didn't yeah yeah um Hugh then goes to the kitchen and finds out that Liv used rat poison in the tea.
00:54:45
Speaker
Liv pours everyone's tea, quote unquote, and Abigail drinks hers. She takes his sip of it. Abigail starts choking and he busts through the room and spills everything over. Liv tries to stop him and in the kerfuffle, he pushes her, he pushes her against the wall and she hits her head and is goes unconscious.
00:55:15
Speaker
Liv then wakes up and sees Abigail on the floor. But then immediately following that, there's a shot where he was getting all the kids in the car. Luke is in the back and he says, I see Abigail in the window. She's okay. She's okay. She's okay. My heart. It is so sad. It is really sad.
00:55:41
Speaker
Um, he was then moving through the house. He's, he's running through the house and then he just stops and he looks and he sees all the ghosts. And that's where I have the possible jump scare. Cause I thought there was a musical sting. Um, and it was a sudden shot. It didn't get me. Um, but I, it could be a possible one.
00:56:06
Speaker
I don't know what your thoughts are. i think I think it's meant to be, and that's kind of what we've been basing it off of, so.
00:56:15
Speaker
Okay. I also think when Poppy was standing over Hugh, that one was supposed to be kind of a jump scare.
00:56:27
Speaker
It was, it was just as creepy to me. That whole thing was just creepy to me. But like a sudden cut to the bedroom where she's like standing over him. I thought that was, it's either that spot or a different spot that I'm just not remembering. Even though I watched it today, I just sometimes the details you forget some of the details. Yeah. Well, I didn't know like tell myself to remember. So it got lost. Which by the way, now that we're speaking about Poppy, I thought,
00:56:59
Speaker
As an artistic choice, I thought it was cool to have her every time that she's not in view of Liv. She appears as this creepy, um, dead, um, old ghost. And then when, whenever Liv sees, like is able to see her, she's this pretty young woman. I miss that. just so so So she's deceitful.
00:57:28
Speaker
All the other ghosts don't do that. Like the old lady said, she's a liar. Yeah. Yeah. I miss it. I had to watch it on my phone today ah while I was cooking dinner. So I miss that. how did catch How dare you cook dinner. She would be paying attention to the show.
00:57:51
Speaker
Don't you know that we're professionals? We have 22 listeners.
00:58:01
Speaker
They're depending on us.
00:58:08
Speaker
I'm dying. My apologies. I'll try to do better. She's going to make an apology video after this. Yes. Sorry you have to move on with my family. On YouTube. Yeah.
00:58:31
Speaker
How do you make yourself cry? I don't know, it just happens.
00:58:39
Speaker
You know? It's just something real. Do I really have to bubble up the trauma to make myself cry? I don't think so. That's the only way I think I know how. Maybe some maple rub when you're mad. Or like pluck a nose hair, something like that. There it is, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:01
Speaker
Okay. Coming soon.
00:59:07
Speaker
Hugh then goes into teams Steven's room and we see this. This is from the like the first episode. um Yeah. He gets Steve and he's like, hey, like stay here. And Lev goes over to the door and tries opening the door, like twisting the lock back and forth ah the the door back and forth. The door's not locked, right? She's just standing there twisting it this way. So why is she being creepy?
00:59:37
Speaker
like that that's That was stupid to me. like The door's open. Poppy's telling you that they're in there. Walk in. Yeah, that was the explanation of the door not turning from the in the first episode.
00:59:51
Speaker
Yeah, i didn't I didn't necessarily like that. um It is what it is. What if it had been like, what if what if they had made like Poppy be the one to be turning the door handle, kind of playing with it this way and that way? I think that would have been more effective and made more sense as to why she didn't just, why Liv didn't just open it. Maybe, but I haven't really seen her interact with any of the ah physical,
01:00:22
Speaker
objects, you know? Yeah. Like, I didn't really see her touch anything or move anything. Yeah, I guess. So did not the floating man open the door, though? Yeah, so there's I don't know. They can make up whatever rules they want, honestly. And and obviously there was ah the the the boy who was banging against the door trying to get out. Yeah. You know, I don't know.
01:00:52
Speaker
the clock repairman. Yeah. Um, Poppy appears to her and tells Liv that he was trying to take her kids from her and that he's going to kill them. But then the, the dead bed woman, that's what I had. The dead bed woman. The dead bed woman. Sorry, that was super loud. The dead bed woman.
01:01:19
Speaker
Wasn't that the um the old lady that the caretaker, housekeeper woman was taking care of? I think so. Yeah. It's like also the same one where Theo put her hand on the bed and was like, someone died here. Yeah.
01:01:40
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, because it was like same room and her reflection was in like that that old timey speaker thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's nice after she's a she's a nice woman. She's like, what do you mean? She's a curmudgeon, he's old lady. She seemed like she was grumpy, but overall, you know, not evil. Yeah. She whispers it.
01:02:06
Speaker
first, she whispers, Poppy lies or like she lies. something creepy She's like, by the way, I'm in here. Yeah. Um, I gotta go back to bed. Where's my purchase?
01:02:28
Speaker
And Liv is trying to get some advice to her. She's like, how do you wake your kids up from this? Or like, how do you keep them from the bad dream? so Some question like that, I didn't write it down because there's no answer. Because she gets distracted by he running out with with Steve and tries chasing after them. She goes to the window.
01:02:57
Speaker
Um, and obviously Steve sees her in the window as they drive off. Um, after the family leaves, live goes back to the red room and kind of realizes what she did. And it's so, so like devastating because the the audience, if you're watching this for the first time, the audience is kind of realizing This kid's real. Like wherever she came from, this kid's real. And she's now dead because of what Liv did. And Liv is now realizing this too. And she starts breaking down and she, is so sad she cries and it's like holding the body.
01:03:46
Speaker
But then she sees Abigail standing in the door. And this woman comes and takes Abigail's hand and they walk away.
01:04:05
Speaker
After some more talking that she has with Poppy, I think, Liv says that she wants to wake up. She really wants to wake up. If only she could wake up. There's that whole scene also where she saw them driving away.
01:04:21
Speaker
And she was like, stop. She didn't want her family to drive away. Oh, yeah. That made me sad, because I was like, should Hugh have taken her with them?
01:04:36
Speaker
Do you really think he should have left her there? He couldn't have anticipated what happens next. But in that moment, I was kind of sad that he didn't just take her with them and got out of the house.
01:04:52
Speaker
But if I had woken up to my spouse suddenly being back from a trip, them not telling me, them being back in the middle of the night, taking two of my children out of bed and then trying to get them to drink rat poison. a At that point, it's not about asking questions. It's about getting them the heck out of there. So.
01:05:19
Speaker
I don't know. I think it's also that was the whole push of him getting the kids out. Or was it like the presence of all the the the apparitions like watching also? I think at initially it was that and it was like the the rat poison.
01:05:43
Speaker
And then it was him seeing all the ghosts because they, they were lining up behind Poppy because it was Poppy looking all old and decrepit and decayed. And then it was everybody else behind her. And I think the, the tall man with the cane was coming up the stairs. So he was getting kind of like pinched. And that's when he goes into Steve's room.
01:06:07
Speaker
and And then he tells Steve, hey, Steve, whatever you see, it's just no close your eyes kind of thing. And she was right behind them, too. Yeah. So. OK.
01:06:27
Speaker
Obviously,
01:06:30
Speaker
It's hard to to think what a fictional character is thinking. The first thing is he's probably thinking, I got to get my kids out of here. Something's going on. Like she's trying to make them drink poison.
01:06:47
Speaker
get them out, get them safe, and then maybe figure out what's going on. But then I think because he sees all the ghosts, that's when he switches from the hue that we've seen in the past, like throughout the young hue, and then the old hue that believes everything that believes the house is alive, and it's trying to kill all the kids. So
01:07:16
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both, but initially yeah it was a poison. No, I agree. I agree with that.
01:07:28
Speaker
yeah that The scene that you were mentioning when she's standing at the window and she's with Poppy, I don't know who's saying who says it, but one of them says, he's killing them. He's going to kill them or something like that as he's driving away. Because she was like, stop, don't leave me. Or along those lines, she was like, stop, wait. Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:53
Speaker
And when we go back to the part where Liv says that she wants to wake up more than anything, she wants to wake up. If only she could wake up and then she jumps off of that that's the balcony. Same spot that Nell was hanging. Yeah. The same kind of sequence where she's on one side of the railing. And then without explanation, she's on the other side of the railing. Boy, the thing that I found interesting compared to Nels is that she wasn't pushed. No. You saw Poppy reaching, but Liv was almost to push her. Yeah. But Liv was already pushed her. Yeah. Yeah. Um, we get some, some shots of the house being all dark and quiet.
01:08:48
Speaker
And then it transitions into the front door opening and that family the family coming in for the first time to Hill House. And the kids are all excited and want to go explore the house and want to clean their rooms and everything. And Hugh is like halfway up the stairs saying,
01:09:12
Speaker
Are you coming? And it's so cheesy, but I don't know. It was just, it's so cheesy, but it was just kind of nice, you know, a little overt. It was a little overt right there. Yeah. Um, with what they were trying to do, but it was a sweet moment. It was, it was sweet. And I, I, it was the kind of cheese that I appreciated.
01:09:35
Speaker
yeah Just lives at the bottom of the stairs, and she's obviously got this perfect ray of sunshine hitting right on her. And she's all bright and everything. Yeah. And she's like, you guys go on without me. And then Hugh does the sentimental look back. How could we ever? Come on now. You guys can't see him, but he's like posing.
01:10:10
Speaker
Like I'm looking over my shoulder. How could it be that way? I wonder if there was like the lighting on her because I remember that I noticed that at the beginning of the season of the season of of this show where all the lighting on Liv was very like soft and beautiful and she looked ethereal and like just beautiful, right?
01:10:45
Speaker
And then as she kind of sinks into the into the depths of despair in this house, I think they kind of take that effect away from her. Don't they? Yeah, right. Yeah, I probably have to watch it again to like really notice when they do and they don't. But I remember very distinct scenes where she just has the most gorgeous lighting and she looks magnificent, you know. Yeah. But speaking about speaking about lighting and shadow.
01:11:14
Speaker
um I think it was a scene where they were in the red room when Poppy was talking to Liv for the first time. But Poppy gets really really close to Liv at one point, and the way that the lighting and the shadows were being played off of Poppy's face It was kind of terrifying because it just immerses Poppy's face in darkness, but just enough to see her features. um And so she's like smiling and being all like soft. but But creepy. That darkness just gives it that different tone. So it's really cool.
01:11:59
Speaker
That is
Viewing Habits and Episode Conclusion
01:12:00
Speaker
really cool. So I'm going to have to watch this episode again with Corey so I can watch it on the big screen and get his take. We didn't get any Corey Corey's comments for this. one No, no, he's been working all week, you know, his schedule and we're recording at a different time than usual. Yeah, that's right. I just kind of happened, but maybe maybe I'll get him to watch it tomorrow. We'll see what movies in. I don't think we're watching anything else at the moment.
01:12:30
Speaker
Oh, no, we are. anyway But what are you guys watching? Uh, he did not want to watch silo with me when it first came out. Um, he probably has a little oppositional defiant disorder. So when I recommend something at first, he's like, no, I don't think so. But he's coming around that I have pretty good taste in things. I mean,
01:12:59
Speaker
Not it's some things I like aren't for everybody, but he's learning to trust me a little bit. And so I, I said to him, there's two shows on Apple TV. I want you to watch severance and silo. Which one do you want to watch? And so I gave him like a 30 second breakdown of each one. He's like, let's watch, let's watch silo. And we did, and he was like,
01:13:22
Speaker
Have you already seen this? And I was like, yeah babe, I wanted to watch it with you like last year and you were like, no. And he's like, dang, I'm sorry. The show is really good. I tried to tell you.
01:13:43
Speaker
That's funny. But I did like, I started watching and I was like, oh man, he would like this. And then he was like, no, thanks. No, thank you. And he's going to say the same thing when we watch. seven Yeah, cause that shows amazing. I have probably have to bite the bullet at some point and get Apple TV. There's really, really good content on there. There's really good stuff on there.
01:14:10
Speaker
Yeah, let's, let's finish our episode. We're so close. That's, that's honestly all I had because then it, then it cuts to the end of the episode. that's the yeah So technically we did finish. Okay. Oh, okay. All right. Not too awkward. Did he, did he have any additional thoughts at all? On the episode? Yeah. Um,
01:14:39
Speaker
Nothing's coming to mind right this second. I probably did. ah like to I I liked it. It was getting a little into the cheesy things at the end, but I didn't hate it. yeah Like you said, it was sweet. I did cry a few of the times.
01:15:00
Speaker
Yeah. I didn't, I didn't feel any on this one. I knew it probably. probably did the first time when she goes over to Abigail but when she was going back to her reading room and it was the morgue type room from Shirley's mortuary and then she sees her daughter and then she sees her son and she knows who they are and there's that moment and then
01:15:38
Speaker
knell you know cuts open her mouth and is saying mommy that that got me i was crying a little bit at that and then i think when little baby Nell and little baby Newt, Luke, and the vision, the the hallucination, or rather, because it wasn't really a dream, because she was awake, you know, standing there talking to them saying, you're safe with me. And they're like, what if you kill us? What if I, you know, and then what does happen to them? You know, you leave us alone. And we're just out there in the world. And Luke is like, and I put poison in my body for years and years and years. And then I'm like, I lost it.
01:16:20
Speaker
at that part, too. That was so sad. And then all the things that Nell said was sad. Because it's like saying what actually kind of does happen to them. Yeah. It just makes the show more tragic because we know that that happens.
01:16:41
Speaker
hu And that's like it's true. It's like what you it's not what you want for your kids at all. Yeah, so we see what Poppy is trying to say. We see what Liv is worried about, but they're sending her kids into a world of pain and just suffering and darkness. Doesn't Poppy say something like- And how do I save them? Yeah. Poppy says something like, people think parenting is getting your children ready for that outside world, but it's not. And I'm like, yes, it is.
01:17:20
Speaker
Or one of the characters says something like that. And I'm like, but yeah, it kind of is. I'm raising adults. I'm not raising them to be children. I'm raising my children to be adults. Cause it happens. But the whole, like wanting to freeze the whole theme of wanting to keep them that age and save them from all the hurt and all the bad.
01:17:44
Speaker
It's really sad. Like it's an understandable point of view as a parent because you do, but that's that's the bittersweet thing about raising children is you can't. They don't keep. They grow up and they leave you. And some days I'm like, yeah. And then other days I'm like, no, please don't do that.
01:18:12
Speaker
Obviously not having any kids my own. It's hard for me to Fully put myself in that position. Yeah, but that that is something that I've Like sort of started thinking about ever since watching this show, I guess maybe even before that. Yeah is when I do have kids I How hard is it going to be to just watch them like get hurt? You know, it's not fun. No, but
01:18:49
Speaker
The point is not to prevent them from their hurt. I mean, you're not going to cause it, obviously. yeah It's going to happen. It's just kind of something, you know, they lose a toy. They scrape a knee. They get hurt feelings from a friend. Right. Those are just things that we go through as children. and But I look at it as I help them and support them through their hard times that are children size problems, you know, to teach them when they're older how to deal with their adult size problems when they're adults. So, you know, it's not a shield them from the world situation. It's a give them coping skills and tools when they're out in the world. You're such a good mom.
01:19:37
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Wow, you're You're not even you just really been around me and my kids anymore. We just seem so wise. You didn't hear me today? You didn't hear me today, like yelling, I said brush your teeth three times. of What are you doing? Nobody is listening to me. It's not often that I yell.
01:20:05
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I didn't say you were perfect. i'm like Oh my gosh. I said, brush your teeth. Please. I'm tired. It's a kid in bed.
01:20:22
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I usually don't repeat myself. And so they're in a pretty good habit of listening to me the first time because I don't repeat myself, you repeat yourself, they get used to the repetition. And that just trains them that they don't have to listen the first time you say something, they just have to listen when you escalate and yell. So I don't do things like that. I don't like repeating and escalating. I like telling them, you know, keeping them on track. They don't listen. I have them repeat to me. What is it that you're supposed to be doing? And then past that, if they're still not listening, hey, either you do this or this will happen. What are you going to choose? And then by that time, they're like, okay, here I go. Anyway, Minnie rant over. That's my soapbox for the day. But you've just got to appreciate them when they're this young. Like the yeah Liv was trying to do in the beginning of it.
01:21:18
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Yeah, in the beginning she had a really good point of view and then it turned a little toxic. Yeah, just a little bit. At the end. So sad. she She didn't want them. She wanted to keep them. She didn't want to give them to the world at all and have them leave.
01:21:46
Speaker
I thought something I was thinking about the other day too. and was I was talking to my dad and I'm i'm the oldest of five siblings um and all but one of us have moved out. One of them is still a teenager. You're not the oldest. Second oldest. Did I say oldest? You just said oldest. Well, Alex is dead now. so no no no diamond No, no, no, no,
01:22:16
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I'm the second oldest. I'm the second oldest. I'm not trying to promote myself.
01:22:27
Speaker
Wow. This officer is going so good. You just forgot about your older brother. No, I could have sworn I said second oldest. I don't know what I was thinking. Same oldest. Sorry, Alex. You know, no you're not listening.
01:22:47
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ah
01:22:52
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Anyway, um, all but one of us have moved out and it's just my youngest brother living at home. I was talking to my dad the other day and I, it just, it just came to my head. It was something I thought of. And I told my dad, it must be really sad.
01:23:14
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It's from one day having your house be full of life and just like noise and you know, the noise that kids make and being rambunctious to it just being a quiet house and all your kids are gone. And he sort of gave me that.
01:23:35
Speaker
the wistful smile, you know, the smile that says, if you talk anymore, I'm probably going to cry. And yeah he's like, yeah, it is. And so I, like this, this episode kind of made me feel a little bit like that, but like having your kids move on in more ways than one, um, and being able to give them up, you know,
01:24:06
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So it's just another part of life that is sad, but it's beautiful at the same time. It's true.
01:24:17
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It's true. There's some days where I'm like, I just want my house to stay clean. And then I'm like, but that means there's nobody here. So do I? But then I'm like, well, I kind of do. The shoes are out of control. I have coat racks. You know where the coats are right now? They're not on the coat racks. They're on the floor, aren't they? underneath the coat racks well you are raising a couple boys so it makes sense i've got three i've got three awesome boys but that's pretty much all i have to say that's all i had for this episode yeah
01:25:05
Speaker
Um, if you don't have, yeah if you don't, ah yeah, of course. Thank you as always for sharing your thoughts. I feel like I've done mediocre hosting. Um, I don't know if people are just annoyed at the sound of my voice though, because I know listening, listening to our past episodes. I'm like, Oh my gosh, shut up. talking That's so much talking to myself.
01:25:31
Speaker
You talk like you know everything. but but dont don't have good You have good points. Like you have like smart, smart. Most smartest. Smart things you you say. As you can tell ah that I struggle to put words together.
01:25:53
Speaker
Well, okay. i I learned a new word this week and listening back to episode two, you would use that word like several times in describing the episode and I completely zoned out of it because I didn't realize that you had already been using that word. But your uncle mentioned on our our Instagram page that what I was trying to describe in episode one was exposition, you know.
01:26:20
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I didn't know that that's what that word was so in episode two I'm listening to while I'm editing and I'm like oh my gosh you say exposition like over and over again why don't I remember this well because I'm a little dumb so
01:26:37
Speaker
So now I know what exposition is and an exposition dump and it's done well and it's done poorly. And I even had to go to Reddit to like learn what it was. What's exposition? What's an exposition dump? What's he talking about? Oh, okay. That's a term that I didn't know. And realizing that you had used that.
01:27:03
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And I had no idea what you were talking about, but I'm just like nodding along like, okay. Hey, we all have our moments, but I feel like you are the one who constantly has good points and and sounds smart. And I just, I feel like I sound like a, I appreciate that. Thank you. I'll try to remember those words. Cause I feel like I come across as a know it all.
01:27:29
Speaker
Oh, not anywhere near close, I don't think, in my opinion. Again, I do like you, so maybe that has some bias. That probably gives you a little bit of bias where these people don't know me at all. They're like, what a no at all. She should just be talking. Gosh. She probably just made a podcast so she could hear herself talk. That's not far from the truth, though.
01:28:00
Speaker
I love talking. I like talking too, but I hate hearing myself talk. Like another reason why I put off listening to the podcast is I really don't want to listen to myself.
01:28:17
Speaker
I did a public speaking class way back in the day and my professor said, you have to listen to it three times. The first time to get over.
01:28:28
Speaker
the embarrassment, the second time to kind of get used to it, and then the third time to actually critique yourself. Okay. So I think a few episodes in you'll get over that. But I'll try not to be so hard on myself, even though I interrupt you a lot. And I'm like, wait, what was Noah saying? I totally just spoke over him. And I missed what he was gonna say.
01:28:51
Speaker
It's okay. I know that sometimes if you have, you get that sudden thought in your head and you're like, if I don't get this out right now, I'm going to forget. I feel like it's a good talking point. I was just holding my breath so I wouldn't talk over you right there.
01:29:11
Speaker
because I was so hard. I was like, I want to say this because it's an ADD thing. And I didn't, I, it's, oh, it's so hard not to just like, cause you forget later. If I wait until the end of your sentence, I'll have no idea what I was about to say. So I'm like, bra bla but okay. yeah Yeah. Yeah. But I just was like, I'm going to hold my breath. but stuff I can do it. It's, it's hard for me too. Yeah.
01:29:41
Speaker
So yeah I have a funny story to tell you after we're after we're not live. You can always edit it out. You know I'm not good at that. Yeah anyway um I think they're done listening to us ramble for like additional 10 minutes after we start talking about. Yeah just that 30 seconds skip skip skip outro music done. That's i's not gonna hurt my feelings.
01:30:11
Speaker
um Next week, we will be talking about the final episode. We are there. We've arrived. The final episode of Haunting of Hill House. Afterwards, I know we are going to be talking about the book or books book. It's one book. Was there a movie? There was a movie where show. OK, because there's a lot.
01:30:40
Speaker
It's a lot from remembering, right? There's a few adaptations from the book into a movie. So so we'll I don't know. We can choose one. We can do both. We'll see. It's not a very long. Yeah. You'll see longer than midnight club. Oh, so it's going to be a breeze. As long as midnight club, it's just not very long.
01:31:06
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Yeah, I just finished Words of Radiance, so I should have no problem reading. It's 1300 pages almost. It went by too fast. It's so awesome. I feel like I read it in a week. Anyway, ah we'll see you guys next week, and we hope you enjoyed this late night edition of um Haunting at Billhouse. Okay, bye. Bye.