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Episode 9: The Beast in the Jungle
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Here it is! The final episode of The Haunting of Bly Manor. How many times did we cry watching it? How many times do we cry live? Answer to both: A lot.
Trigger warnings: Talks of depression, dementia, and suicide.
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Introduction and Podcast Setup
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I have a story for you. Is it scary? It's haunting. Like a haunted house? Or like a manor.
00:00:23
Speaker
Hey guys, welcome back to Fans of Flanagan. i am Laura. And I'm Noah. And here is episode nine of The Haunting of Bly Manor.
00:00:35
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um huge emotional episode oh my gosh what you made me I you made me cry again why do you keep doing this to me how many times I was gonna ask you how many times in this episode did you cry because for me it was like twice maybe probably yeah but probably twice but it yeah they were like The moments were stacked back to back with each other.
Emotional Impact of 'The Haunting of Bly Manor'
00:01:01
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It does do that. was like um ah finishing getting over one part and then something that else happens. I'm like, dang it. I feel like this episode could have been a whole second season to this show in itself.
00:01:18
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Honestly, I wish we had more time in this time period for them. i don't know about a second season. i think it
00:01:29
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I think it um got through what it wanted to get through. i didn't think it was rushed or anything.
00:01:37
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No, not the, yeah. No, I agree with that. But like, I would have loved more time with the kids as grownups. Yeah. That's really what I was lacking, I think.
00:01:51
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But ah before we get into those details, what have you been watching, reading, listening to?
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Any
Analysis of 'Last Breath' and Its True Story
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of it? um Any of it. have watched two recent movies in theaters. One of them was Last Breath.
00:02:13
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It's a movie with Woody Harrelson. um Simu Liu? I don't know how to say his name. He's the guy from Shang-Chi.
00:02:24
Speaker
Okay. And I think his name is Finn Cole. Simu Liu? Okay. Yeah. okay yeah and it is a based on a true story of a underwater diver i think they they have something to do with the oil rigs but they're it's based off of north sea um i think off uh close to ireland or something like that and
00:02:50
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The story is that he goes down there. Something happens with the boat that's up on the on the water but because they're tethered to it even though they're below below the water, like way on the seafloor.
00:03:05
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um And the boat loses its controls and it starts drifting. And because they're tethered, it starts pulling them. And so he gets to a point where his cord gets wrapped around something because have like this really cool umbilical cord that connects to the the bottom of the tether and don't know how to describe it too much anyway the story is the the umbilical cord that he's attached to snaps and breaks because you it was it got caught and so like the weight of the boat
00:03:41
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being pulled by the water and then him anchor to the spot, it snaps the cord. And that's where his oxygen was coming from. i believe it was where there was like warm water that was feeding in through his suit to keep his temperature regulated because it's like below freezing at the bottom of of the ocean.
00:04:00
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um Anyway, his cord gets snapped and it's about the story of trying to recover him, whether it's going to be a body recovery or whether it's going to save him. And um I don't know if I want to spoil it because it's a real story so you can look at what actually happened, like what what happened.
00:04:20
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Well, I'm not, if you're worried about me, I'm not going to watch it, but you can, you know, say spoiler and then talk about it if you want to Yeah. Yeah. Spoiler warning. Just skip ahead. If you don't want to be spoiled or if you don't care, then please listen on. um He ends up.
00:04:36
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Cause he has a reserve of oxygen. Once the court snaps and his suit has like 10 minutes worth. Cause that would be, that'd be a short movie. Yeah. It was a very short movie. It was like an hour and a half and it still felt like it they were like stretching it for time.
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Anyway. oh
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So his core gets snapped and he has like 10 minutes left of oxygen and his reserves. And they were going down there to work on this, like this structure to begin with.
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And so right before his cord gets stopped, his partner who goes down the width and was like, hey, I need you to get to the top of this structure so I can find you. Otherwise, I'm not going to be able to find you. So you get up to the top.
00:05:21
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So it gets up to the top of the structure. And meanwhile, the boat has been dragged a good distance away because it doesn't have any control. um They fix the electronical systems and they make their way back.
00:05:37
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But After that 10 minutes, it takes him 30 minutes to get to his spot and then get down to him. Oh my gosh. So his body went without oxygen 30 minutes.
Oscar-winning Movie Critique and Discussion
00:05:53
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Oh my gosh. no he survived into the eighty he he gained consciousness and the the movie i didn't do any other outside research but the the the movie said that he didn't have any long lasting mental or physical um complications wow yeah and they think it had something a combination like the pressure of like the water down there and but the the temperature yeah So it was interesting. um It definitely was a ah tense movie.
00:06:29
Speaker
and Right. um That was the first one. Go ahead. When I say I'm not going to watch it, it's because those kind of really stressful, like he's about to die, we have to get to movies.
00:06:45
Speaker
They stress me out. Yeah. And I know that like in the end, they're going to be okay. Or at least, you know, the Hollywood happy ending or whatever, but still sitting through all that tension for the whole thing. It's just not for me, but um that's a fast, I would probably listen to like a documentary on it.
00:07:04
Speaker
Yeah. I think there actually is one. Yeah. That's something I would watch over like watching the actual stylized events. That makes sense. Yeah. um I think, I think there's an actual documentary.
00:07:19
Speaker
okay Yeah, it's 2019. It's the same title. I don't know where you can watch it. Okay. Yeah.
00:07:30
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Well, cool. What's the other movie? The other one was an Oscar-nominated and Oscar-winning movie, Anora. i don't know if you watched the Oscars at all.
00:07:41
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um I did not.
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I saw clips.
00:07:47
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I was better about this year than... recent past years. I've seen a lot of the movies that were nominated and for a multitude of categories.
00:08:00
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so nor Do you agree with the Academy? Did you like it? i don't agree, but i don't... I'm not... like I can see where how people's like opinions on it are valid.
00:08:18
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I just personally didn't
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I didn't think it was Oscar worthy, um but I'm not going to sit here and argue with people who did think it. who
00:08:32
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Because it was like production wise, I think it was done well. I just don't think it was a movie for me. What did it win for? it won for best picture. it won best actress. Best picture.
00:08:48
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Best picture. Best picture. It did. It went over a lot. Wow. People really liked it. And again, I don't blame them. um It won for best actress with Mikey Madsen.
00:09:04
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um I think it won best writing and best directing. So. Wow. Close to a sweep, but. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The reviews on IMDb are not very good.
00:09:25
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I'll just read the ah their titles. What's the hype about? They rated it a six. Another six. See for yourself. Overrated and boring. The most overrated movie of the year.
00:09:38
Speaker
Six stars. Not sure what all the hype is about. Six stars. Mostly it's just crude, selfish, foul-mouthed characters. Yeah. and The characters suck in this. like I maybe liked one of the characters. um Not in a sense of writing. i just Sometimes it's hard for you to enjoy a movie when all you whenever your see suck are seeing are crappy people.
00:10:07
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Oh, that is a very grown-up movie.
00:10:12
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okay Yes, it is. I'm tattling on you a little bit.
00:10:21
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Anything else? um That's it for movies. we I've been watching myself. I've been watching ah the new show on Hulu. I guess Disney Plus now too called Paradise.
00:10:34
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Do you like it? I'm still thinking about that. hi I'm enjoying it. it's i'm not This is crazy or anything but I enjoy it. Okay. um The premise is
00:10:49
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like secret service is trying to solve the murder of the president.
Revisiting 'Daredevil' and New Discoveries
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I'm not spoiling anything. That's in the first episode. Well, the tagline is the security service team gets assigned to safeguard a former president.
00:11:04
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What's Sterling K. Brown and James Marsden. It is the setting and the environment excuse me that I think is spoiler worthy. and Okay.
00:11:15
Speaker
Find out the more you watch it. Okay. Okay. Dude, get off my cords. Jeez. And then I've been rewatching Daredevil because I'm showing it to my wife since the new season dropped like today. I forgot that was a series.
00:11:33
Speaker
Yeah. Oops. And I forgot how good it was. So that's what we're watching. Okay. You didn't like it? i didn't I never gave it a shot. I never tried. It's just there's a lot of there's a lot of those kind of superhero shows out there. I can't live my life like that.
00:11:52
Speaker
I don't blame you, especially this one's a little like murgory. it's It's a very brutal one. So that's the same daredevil that's in the current Spider-Man movies, right?
00:12:06
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. okay yeah Definitely better than the Ben Affleck daredevil. Way better. Stop like stop trying to make Ben Affleck a superhero. Stop trying to make him a superhero. just It's not going to happen.
00:12:24
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he's He's a lot better in other movies. Yeah. And non-superhero movies. No, I like him so much in other things.
00:12:35
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just He just doesn't pass for a good Batman. I'm so sorry. Robert Pattinson's so much better of a Batman. Sorry. Something's in the way.
00:12:48
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Sorry. Okay, I did not enjoy that movie when I first saw it. I think I like fell asleep and then we ended up turning it off and going to bed. The Batman. Mm-hmm. And so my son was like, I really want to watch it. I'm like, I don't know. It's like a rated R Batman. I don't, I don't know. Also, it's not very good. He's like, no, my friends have said it's amazing.
00:13:08
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so I like rechecked with like the IMDB ratings to see like, okay, what's ah like actually in it. Okay, fine. Let's watch it. He loves it.
00:13:20
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He thinks it's the best thing ever. It's pretty good. I'm like, you' you've seen Batman Begins and this is, you like this? He's like, yes. Okay, it clears Batman Begins.
00:13:32
Speaker
Right. I think better than Batman Begins. Really? Yeah. It's not better than Dark Knight. No. No. No. But all of them are better than the last one, Dark Knight Rises.
00:13:47
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Hey, Dark Knight Rises still enjoyable though. Like a lot of people don't like that one. I really enjoyed it. They should have taken more time with it. I feel like they kind of released it pushed it out a little too quickly.
00:14:01
Speaker
It felt lacking. That's all. I'm not saying it was terrible, but it felt lacking. Maybe I'll revisit it, but we don't need to turn this into a debate.
00:14:14
Speaker
What about you? What have you been consuming? There are, I know you don't watch documentaries, Or true crime things. Yes, sir.
00:14:25
Speaker
He says he does. Can I help you?
00:14:30
Speaker
No, you can't go outside. I'm sorry.
Shocking Family Dynamics in Documentaries
00:14:34
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um On Hulu, ah Devil in the Family, The Fall of Ruby Frankie. Bro.
00:14:43
Speaker
It's worth watching. It's worth watching. I had followed that story from like, I didn't, I'm not a YouTube watcher. And so all these like popular YouTube people, unless it crosses over into like my mindless doom scrolling, I'm not going to know about them. I mean, I know about Mr. Ballin, but like who doesn't, um,
00:15:03
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But i I knew nothing about Ruby Frankie. Plus, I did not like to follow family vlogs. like I think the only one we ever followed was was Ryan's World because my kids really liked his early videos when he was little and the twins were little. But anyway, so I didn't know about Ruby Frankie's channel until all the controversy came out.
00:15:26
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And even having followed it
00:15:29
Speaker
There's a lot in this documentary that I didn't know about that I think a lot. And her husband, soon to be ex-husband, speaks. Her two oldest children speak. It's Worth the Watch.
00:15:42
Speaker
That's on Hulu. And then there's a couple on Prime Video. And I don't know if it's just on Prime Video or if it's with like an add-on like Showtime or Max or something. Because it's just where I keep a lot of the add-ons is with Prime Video because it saves you money.
00:16:00
Speaker
But one case had Corey and I just, it just had us like riveted and talking. And it was the curious case of Natalia Grace.
00:16:14
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If you haven't heard anything about that story, this little girl with a form of dwarfism was adopted from Russia or Ukraine.
00:16:27
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And one of the families that had her started alleging that she wasn't a little girl, that she was actually a grown adult posing as a little girl. They left her in an apartment. They had her age legally changed.
00:16:43
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And moved out of the country and left her alone. Turns out the age that she was on all her papers was the correct age. She was a little kid that they left. And it turns out that mother was a complete psycho.
00:16:56
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And the father is also kind of... messed up and he speaks a lot in the documentary and then uh it seemed like it had kind of a happy ending because another family took her in and it took a number of years for them to be able to legally adopt her and by then i think she was like over 18 and so she finally got adopted by this family and i'm gonna leave it there because there's more drama after that geez it was and it's so messed up this poor kid has been through like even so much more trauma than i can even like sum up um and another one was about is about another family vlogger called an update on our family i think that's one that one's on max where they had a really popular parenting channel
00:17:54
Speaker
And they adopted a boy from China. And after a couple of years, he just wasn't showing up anymore in their videos. And they're like, where is this little boy? And they had rehomed him.
Controversial Family Vlogger Story
00:18:12
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Jeez. And so that caused like a lot of controversy. And so that one, that was a good watch. Um,
00:18:23
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But as far as other shows, go ahead. The the series is about Natalia Grace. think It looks like they're making a a Hulu show about it called Good American Family.
00:18:36
Speaker
Interesting. so like fictionalized, i guess. There have been others, but they use the spin of her actually being an adult instead of the truth that she was actually a child.
00:18:48
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Jeez. Which I hate that.
00:18:53
Speaker
But other than that, ah I watch Ghosts. That has like one episode a week. Super funny show. It's like a half hour long. I love it so much. um White Lotus just dropped a new season. Not the whole season. We're just getting one episode at a time. I'm excited.
00:19:11
Speaker
Yep. There's three episodes out so far. And I didn't realize I'd forgotten so much from the other seasons because there's like recurring characters that I'm like, oh.
00:19:22
Speaker
I didn't notice until they had like mentioned the other resorts. And I'm like, oh okay, I remember you now. And then
Current TV Shows: 'School Spirits' and 'Severance'
00:19:30
Speaker
School Spirits. I did not want to like the show, but I'm liking it.
00:19:35
Speaker
I don't think I'm the target audience, but I like i like that show, School Spirits. The first season is on Netflix. And the next one is on Paramount+. plus
00:19:47
Speaker
And also Severance. Still watching Severance as those come out. Yeah. My husband and i have been deeply engrossed in Outlander, which we just finished all of the available episodes for that. So we're probably going to go back to watching Silo.
00:20:06
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. nice Yeah. My wife loves watching reality television. um Like she's watching unexpected right now, which is about teen pregnancies.
00:20:23
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But I say that, I say that to say that she will like start. it's like to in my, in in my mind, it's reality television adjacent with, with the whole like doc documentary series, docu series, I think is what they call them.
00:20:41
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but Okay. And so she started personally watching the Ruby Frankie one. And there was one evening where she finished making dinner or something and she was watching it. I think I was doing something earlier and I was done and I'd come and join her on the couch and I'm,
00:20:58
Speaker
No, you leave her show on, you watch it. I'll just be doing whatever on my phone. And I got sucked in. I was like, all this happened, this happened and this happened. And then this, she moved into her house and kicked her husband out. And I don't want to say too much, but it, it broke my heart. um It's so sad.
00:21:23
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I cried and cried and cried what they did to those children and that family.
00:21:34
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it's really bad guys I kept like kept saying I just want to talk to her I just want to talk to her
00:21:42
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I think now that she's because currently she's serving out her prison sentence which is a long time rightfully so not long enough um but I think she was just so engrossed in that other lady's world ah that yeah she became brainwashed And I'm really hoping that now they're separated, that she's kind of freed herself and realized that what she had been doing was very, very, very bad and wrong. And she destroyed her family.
00:22:14
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And I hope she's, I hope she's sorry and remorseful. That's what I really hope for her, that she serves her prison prison sentence. With an understanding of like the remorse you should feel for like what she did to her youngest kids is just horrific. I cried when they were talking about it. I cried so much. The police videos.
00:22:36
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Yeah. The body cam videos. The police were having all the time. I was, I was shaking with anger and that's not. I'm not trying to be funny, you're smart.
00:22:48
Speaker
No. the when the When the boy went over to the neighbor's house and the neighbor was calling on the phone with 911 and he was crying, then I started crying again. so sad.
00:23:05
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it I definitely can agree. It sucked me in and it's...
00:23:11
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There's a lot of information that if you were following that case, there's a lot of information that wasn't released, I guess, or talked No, it wasn't until they were talking on this documentary. And I'm sure there's going to be more documentaries coming out about it because it's a lot.
00:23:28
Speaker
All of those kids are going to be messed up for a very long time. Yeah, I felt so bad for the oldest son because when they kicked him out of the house, he fully believed that he was deserving of being ostracized from his family. he was He was ah completely engrossed in that woman's teachings and viewpoints to the point where he was like, taking it on, like, believing it about himself.
00:23:56
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that he was bad. um And so he felt like having to move out was deserving. And so did the husband. But like, like, it's all sad.
00:24:08
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But my heart broke for their oldest son.
00:24:14
Speaker
For all of them. But let's move on to some other sad things. Better sad things.
00:24:24
Speaker
This is episode nine. This is the final episode in The Haunting of Bly Manor.
In-depth Analysis of 'The Haunting of Bly Manor' Episode Nine
00:24:32
Speaker
It's called The Beast in the Jungle. And I think that is one of the short stories by Henry James.
00:24:38
Speaker
So some of the episodes I think are titled after short stories by him and some aren't. It's been hard to... really find all of his titles but um I'll have to do more work on that go to some libraries and bookstores and see what I can find but because I really want to like compare and contrast the short stories to the episodes that they're named after but I don't think every episode is named after one of the stories anyway
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um
00:25:08
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this episode opens with Hannah and Owen again in the interview scene But Hannah's listing off everybody that is dead, the date it is, who she is.
00:25:24
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And she seems quite peaceful as she admits that she is also dead. And she says that she can feel herself slipping away, but she doesn't want to do that. She wants to stay here.
00:25:36
Speaker
it seems as if she is kind of dream hopping. um It's a sweet moment as she tells Dream Owen her real feelings towards him. that she would have loved to have run away with him, that she loves him and regrets not telling him.
00:25:50
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They keep looking through a dark doorway and Owen refers to it as out there and she has to help him out there and warn him, help him being the real him, not the dream hopping him.
00:26:04
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We cut back to the moment where the white lady has Danny and is dragging her. Flora is yelling, stop it. And Hannah comes and tells Flora to go inside and she tries to tell the white lady to stop, but she doesn't and walks white, excuse me, she walks right through her and it seems like Hannah can't breathe.
00:26:23
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um Danny is continuing to be dragged up the stairs and the camera pans over to Viola's portrait as if we'd forgotten who she is.
00:26:35
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After all that drama from the last episode.
00:26:39
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Viola, the lady of the lake, drags Danny into her master suite. She pauses and stares the bed and Flora runs in and jumps onto it and says to her, please let her go.
00:26:50
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Viola seems to now be remembering about her own daughter and drops Danny. She picks up Flora and in her memory, she's dancing with her daughter. But in present day, and she says she's like dancing and singing the the Willow Whaley song.
00:27:05
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but And real it's like coming out all raspy. Moaning, yeah like raspy singing. And she's carrying Flora outside to the lake. Rebecca looks on helpless outside to the at and in the lake along with Miles Peter.
00:27:24
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And then it cuts over to the driveway and Uncle Henry is actually showing up, driving up in his car. He chases after them. You took quite a time to come back, huh? ah Yeah. like it I don't know if they explain why he showed up. I know when in a second when the other two show up, they're like, we both had a weird dream.
00:27:46
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And that's why we're here. But it doesn't really like I don't know if there was something in another episode we missed, but it doesn't say Henry doesn't explain like why he shows up right there in the middle of the night.
00:27:57
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Um,
00:28:00
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But Henry chases after them and sees that the lady has no face as she grabs his neck and starts strangling him and throws him aside. We see his ghost and we don't know if he is dead and gone, but not gone, but maybe kind of.
00:28:17
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I think the narrator says he's kind of on the precipice between life and death. um jamie and owen drive up and are curious about henry's car being abandoned in the drive and they explain to hannah how they both had an awful dream and hannah explains that they are needed at the lake flora is asking rebecca for help okay so as this scene where she's carrying i don't want to cry you got it you got it Viola is, oh, excuse me.
00:28:49
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Viola is carrying Flora into the lake the way she's carrying her. Also, Flora in the show is the same age as my daughter.
00:29:02
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Yeah. I couldn't imagine. so the night that I watched this, I'm,
00:29:12
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i'm
00:29:14
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i didn't I didn't know that like I couldn't remember. I'm so glad. Also, side note, I'm so glad I didn't remember any of this because it's like watching it for the first time all over again.
00:29:26
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But at bedtime before I sat down to watch this, I carried my daughter up the stairs to her bedroom exactly like this, holding her the same exact way with her holding on to me the same exact way.
00:29:42
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and it
00:29:47
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was really hard to watch, um, Viola carrying her into the lake the same way that I carried my daughter upstairs to her bed.
00:29:58
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And I had to like pause the show and calm down because it was really heavy. Um, I, it was really hard to handle that scene. Um,
00:30:14
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Anyway. It makes it all little more emotional when um Rebecca is like, let me tuck you away one last time. Yes.
00:30:25
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And that that broke me. That broke me. i had I was like trying to push through and I had to stop, especially after Rebecca said, let me tuck you away so I can handle this. so You don't have to.
00:30:38
Speaker
And the memory she tucks her away in is with her and her mom. yeah I really bet that didn't help. It was just flowing at that point. Yeah, I was like sobbing.
00:30:52
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I'll admit that I was like hyperventilating and sobbing in this sequence. um
00:31:02
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So.
00:31:05
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Yeah, Rebecca offers to tuck her away so she won't feel it. as Viola's walking her into the water and not letting her go. um So Flora says to Rebecca, it's you, it's me, it's us. And then she's tucked away, like you said, in a memory with her mother.
00:31:23
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In the memory of her mother holds her. And then it cuts to Viola holding her in the water.
00:31:35
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and I was realizing, you know, kind of that connection that they have, that Viola is a mother who lost her daughter and Flora is a daughter who lost her own mother.
00:31:49
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And that like wrapped up in the horror of the scene was, it was well done, but it was a lot. Yeah.
00:32:00
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Um,
00:32:04
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So, Owen finds Henry on the ground and starts to do CPR. Danny catches up to Viola and Flora in the water, and the narrator explains that she doesn't know why she says this, but she says to Viola, it's you, it's me, it's us.
00:32:21
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The white lady stops walking into the water and turns around to face Danny, and both Viola and Rebecca Flora look at her. And we're only 11 minutes in ah to this episode so far.
00:32:33
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Only 11. i was like, oh my gosh, this is a lot.
00:32:40
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There's a cut, ah quick cut to Perdita's ghost in the attic, and she turns around as if she's aware of something. You cut outside to Owen giving giving Henry CPR still while Hannah tells ghost Henry to tell Owen that she's sorry for when he looks into the well.
00:32:58
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Just then Henry sits up alive. Miles is on the ground as if he is waking up. Peter is off to the side and apologizes to him and is then gone. Back in the water, Danny has Flora and Jamie runs into the water to them.
00:33:12
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Our narrator says that Danny invited Viola into herself and the invitation was accepted. And this broke the spell at Bly Manor. The children are hugging Henry and he's apologizing.
00:33:24
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Owen is asking where Hannah is. That was so sad.
00:33:31
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Just Owen looking around going, where's Hannah?
00:33:36
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It's the next day, presumably. And Jamie and Owen are looking down on Hannah at the bottom of the well. um The narrator tells us as during the sequence of it looks like they're packing up, they're cleaning, they're sweeping, that now Bly Manor feels calmer and lighter.
00:33:55
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Henry's in the master bedroom with the children tying a bow tie for miles. There are no longer sheets covering everything and there are boxes in the room. Henry is looking at the photos and the children are asking if he has lots of stories about their parents.
00:34:10
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in the church Owen lights a candle for Hannah and the narrator tells us that he had stayed with Hannah's body all the way until she was buried and that he still loves her to this day. It seems like everybody and it's kind of confirmed that everybody is moving out and Jamie comes up to check on Danny and see how she's getting along with her packing and how she's doing and Danny is crying and is explaining how she feet how she feels inside her how the ghost feels quiet but there's also a lot of rage and she feels like she's in a jungle and that someday she is going to take her jamie asks if she would like company while she waits for the beast in the jungle
00:34:55
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Danny must have said yes to Jamie because now they're all in the foyer. Jamie and Danny are saying goodbye to the children and Flora hands Danny a doll from the dollhouse and says that it's her. Henry says goodbye to Danny and he remarks about how lucky he is. I'm really glad for Henry's turnaround. That made me happy. i I was really worried because when I was watching this, I was like...
00:35:18
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There's no way they just killed Henry. There's no way. i i forgot all of this. So I was really happy when he didn't.
00:35:32
Speaker
So Danny and Jamie drive off in her truck. And then there's a scene right in that spot where Danny is looking in the mirror at Bly as they're crossing the property line.
00:35:46
Speaker
And for a second, i was like, what's going to happen to Viola when they go over line? oh nothing. and Okay, nothing.
00:35:57
Speaker
I also really do like the heter heter heterochromia. and i think that's what it is. Yeah. I think it's called when it's like the eyes are different colored eyes. Yeah.
00:36:08
Speaker
Whose eyes were different colors? What did I miss? Annie. Ever since she she let her come in, Viola come in, she's got a heterocromia. Are you serious?
00:36:19
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Yeah, it's a really beautiful shot when they're driving away and she's got sunlight on her face and one of them is blue, one of them is brown.
00:36:31
Speaker
I didn't see it. You didn't? No, what an amazing detail.
00:36:44
Speaker
i have to go and find this now because what?
00:36:51
Speaker
Yeah, okay hold on, I'm looking. Oh.
00:37:00
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Yeah.
00:37:04
Speaker
i That's crazy. Shame on me for not noticing. him so
00:37:18
Speaker
Wow. Yeah, i just I just really like it. I thought it was pretty. Yeah, no great detail.
00:37:29
Speaker
Plague Doctor needed another hobby.
00:37:33
Speaker
Sorry, that Reddit link you just sent me.
00:37:37
Speaker
tell Don't worry about that. Yeah, that's for it later. That's for fun. Sorry. Okay. okay So Danny now has two different colored eyes. All right.
00:37:57
Speaker
It doesn't look like she's wearing contacts though. So whoever was in charge of that, well done.
00:38:04
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Nothing takes me out of a story. faster than obvious contacts makeup and hairstyle yeah that too okay so now danny and jamie are in a diner talking about their future travel plans in america um there was a little moment in that conversation where danny is like worried about how much time they have and jamie's like let's just one day at a time yes yes so glad you mentioned that yeah So we fast forward a year and Danny and Jamie have a little florist shop and Jamie gives her a moonflower and exclaims her love.
00:38:43
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Like in that whole year, you didn't talk about that. Okay. Sorry. Time passes.
00:38:53
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Time passes. They have happy years. Our narrator says that over time, Dani had peace in her heart.
Post-Bly Manor Reflections on Jamie and Danny
00:39:01
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And now one day as Dani is walking up to her flower shop and the reflection of the door is ah the lady from the lake, Viola's ghost.
00:39:09
Speaker
Dani brings home a plant for Jamie and says she wants to save it. She found it on the street. As Jamie is looking at the plant and looking in the roots, she finds a ring.
00:39:20
Speaker
Danny doesn't know, says she doesn't know how much time they have left, but she wants to spend it with her. It's kind of like a proposal. And Danny still looks worried.
00:39:30
Speaker
um it looks like owen finally has his own restaurant and it took me a second to like find the the name of it but it's called a better place batter place a batter place a batter place gosh i'm gonna go get my eyes checked man maybe you need contacts or something something
00:39:54
Speaker
So Danny and Jamie are there to celebrate their engagement. They tease about the restaurant's name, which makes more sense now.
00:40:03
Speaker
And reminisce about Hannah, Henry, and the kids. In the reflection of the carafe, Danny sees the white lady in her reflection again. Wait, what'd you call it? A carafe.
00:40:14
Speaker
A carafe? i don't know. They're pouring water out of the vase. I just thought it was going to be a pitcher. It's not just a pitcher. the Uncultured swat. I mean, yes.
00:40:25
Speaker
Okay, hold on. Carafe versus pitcher.
00:40:34
Speaker
A carafe, oh, maybe you're right.
00:40:39
Speaker
No, I'm just curious because I had never that before. No, you're right because now I, oh, okay. A carafe is typically used to certain wine, coffee, juice, or water. um A carafe is a glass container with a flared lip while a pitcher is a cylindrical container with a handle and spout.
00:40:58
Speaker
So because it had a handle. You are right. It's a pitcher. How do you how do you spell it? Carafe. C-A-R-A-F-E.
00:41:13
Speaker
oh okay. Yeah. Because it has a handle, it's a pitcher. if it doesn't If it's like one of those that like doesn't have a handle, but it has a spout, then that's a carafe. So I was wrong. But I'm glad we all learned something today. We all did.
00:41:28
Speaker
but ah that's what it This is why people tune into our podcast so they can understand intricacies of the English language and the difference between liquid liquid containers.
00:41:43
Speaker
This has been English with Laura.
00:41:51
Speaker
Anyway, they talk about the kids, how they're growing up, and it seems they really don't remember what had happened at Bly Manor. and they don't even really remember Hannah. Bly was just a place they spent their summers and lived when they were children.
00:42:05
Speaker
Just like how the ghosts forgot their lives, it's like the kids are forgetting their own trauma.
00:42:13
Speaker
And then Owen says, all that's left is the shape of it. Like the ghosts. and No, I'm like the ghosts. Exactly.
00:42:26
Speaker
Back at their apartment, Danny sees the white lady again. She tells Jamie about seeing her. they talk about it like it's an omen of Danny's death. Which, what a convenient way of getting out of dishes.
00:42:40
Speaker
Pretending you see someone in the water it was making your other apartment do it for you. wish I could do that. She's like, your inner demon is manifesting. Of course I'll do the rest of the dishes.
00:42:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:57
Speaker
It's not that your fault. There's another woman inside of you.
00:43:06
Speaker
We're laughing now because we're going to cry later. That's what's going on. We have. i have already cried. yeah And yes, we will probably cry again.
00:43:16
Speaker
um We move on to another day. and Jamie is coming home talking about their union being officially civil. There's water leaking into the hallway.
00:43:27
Speaker
And raise your hand if you thought that like Danny was dead in the bathroom already. i couldn't remember. yeah I couldn't remember either. We both raised our the way, since we're not visual.
00:43:38
Speaker
Nope. I completely forgot this. but like Almost every single detail. The only detail I remembered was that Viola drags her to the lake, but she somehow survives.
00:43:51
Speaker
Not to the lake, but like dr like gets her, but then she gets away. That's the only thing I remembered from this episode. The only thing I remember is the ending sequence, and I was still not ready for it, but we're never getting there.
00:44:06
Speaker
I forgot that too, so not mad about it. how How does bathtub... Like fill up that way because do don't like bathtubs have the little thing on the side where the faucet is? what the overflow? The overflow where it will flow into that.
00:44:22
Speaker
Maybe not in like older bathtubs, possibly. Yeah. But ah there's water leaking into the hallway. Jamie is calling for Danny, not yet noticing the water.
00:44:34
Speaker
um In the bathroom, Danny has just overflowed the tub and is staring intensely into the reflection in the water like she's hypnotized. um Danny says she's tired and every day she feels herself fading away and Jamie reminds her that she's still here.
00:44:51
Speaker
You're still here. And the way that Danny was describing, like living every day aware of everything, but not feeling it all the way. It's literally describing how it feels to live with depression.
00:45:06
Speaker
Like, like I know when I have bad seasons, we can call it that. In the moment, it doesn't feel like I am.
00:45:21
Speaker
But when I come out of it and I look in retrospect, I'm like, oh, it really does feel like you're in a fog, like there's a barrier. that make sense?
00:45:33
Speaker
um So I was just impressed at that. Like, and I don't know if they were really trying to equate it with that, but that just fit the description so perfectly. Yeah.
00:45:47
Speaker
Because you do feel things and you see things and you're aware of things. But at the same time, it's also like you're not.
00:45:56
Speaker
so But Dani explains how she's not even scared of the lady anymore. And we can maybe say like the lady represents death. She's not scared of it anymore. um Which that happens with depression too. like You're just so tired that death would feel like a release.
00:46:17
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Trigger warning.
00:46:22
Speaker
um
00:46:27
Speaker
So she says she's not scared of the lady anymore and how she just stares back at her and maybe she should just accept it and go. And I really liked how Jamie tells her that you're still here and you'll and she'll feel everything for the both of them when one day at a time.
00:46:44
Speaker
Heavy.
00:46:48
Speaker
We can stop it here. we don't we can That's how it ends. They lived their life i live happily ever after. Happily ever after. Nothing ever happens. and yeah they They die as an old age.
00:47:02
Speaker
yep That's what happens, guys. We did it. That's the podcast. that's That's the end. Notebook style. Thank you all for joining us. They just die on the same day like in the notebook.
00:47:14
Speaker
Yep.
00:47:23
Speaker
Alas, that is not the end. We can push through. I'm sorry.
00:47:30
Speaker
So it's nighttime and they're sleeping and Danny wakes up all of a sudden. um She has a vision of seeing Jamie over her as if Danny is underneath in water and she reaches up through the water and grabs Jamie.
00:47:45
Speaker
Then in the bedroom, she's over Jamie and reaching for her neck as Jamie is sleeping. Now it's morning and Jamie is in the bed alone. There's a note on the nightstand.
00:47:56
Speaker
Our narrator tells us that Danny knew the time had come and she knew she could not put Jamie at risk. I think she was more afraid of that, of hurting. Obviously she was more afraid of like hurting Jamie than she was of whatever would happen to her. Absolutely. So,
00:48:20
Speaker
Jamie goes back to Bly Manor. She walks into the water and swims down and finds Danny at the bottom. And she wishes with all her heart that Danny would come up and take her down with her like Viola would have done, but she won't.
00:48:35
Speaker
Our narrator tells us that now Jamie looks into her reflections into the water, hoping to see Danny, but never does.
00:48:47
Speaker
Also, Danny looked beautiful at the bottom of the lake, and that's not really how it would happen. she She looked calm. She looked very peaceful. sheli She looked like she resting. And and beautiful.
00:49:00
Speaker
Yeah. um Now we're back to our narrator telling her story at the wedding. We now know for sure that our narrator Jamie.
00:49:13
Speaker
Jamie. She continues and says that the water in the lake will wash away Danny's features and her memories and she will walk the halls of Bly but will be harmless as a dove.
00:49:25
Speaker
One of the guests asks if she were to go to Bly would she see the lady of the lake? And narrator Jamie explains that she would never find a place called Bly.
00:49:37
Speaker
But should you find a manor, maybe you would see her, but with no way to know whether she's awake or asleep. Another guest mentions the time and that it's a big day tomorrow. The guests all leave and retire to their rooms except for the bride.
00:49:50
Speaker
The bride tells her she liked her story, but that she got it wrong in the beginning, that it's not a ghost story. It's a love story. Jamie says, isn't that the same thing? And the bride explains. yeah your goodline <unk>
00:50:09
Speaker
The bride explains that her fiance is her perfect person and she loves him so much that she doesn't know what she's going to do if she ever loses him if he goes first. And Jamie explains to her that it shouldn't let those thoughts shadow her happiness for now.
00:50:25
Speaker
That when it happens, and it'll be years and years from now, it will be sad and it won't be easy, but eventually she'll see him in little moments here and there, and you'll cry for hours and hours, but it will be pieces of him and you hold them tight because it's like having him here with you even though he is gone.
00:50:43
Speaker
The bride gives her a hug and we see the gold ring on Jamie's finger that Danny gave her years ago. Stop crying. Sorry. Sorry.
00:50:56
Speaker
Just before leaving the bride remarks that her own middle name is Flora.
00:51:04
Speaker
you didn't know. Now we know. If you didn't piece it together. Yeah. I kind of pieced it together when it went back to her telling the story.
00:51:16
Speaker
was like, oh, this is Flora's wedding. Yeah. The next day at the wedding reception, the bride is dancing with her husband. And then with an older gentleman that we can assume is Uncle Henry.
00:51:30
Speaker
Jamie looks over at another table and a man lifts his glass to her. And then it switches to young Owen and little Miles. So we know the people at the table are older Owen and grown up Miles.
00:51:43
Speaker
I don't know why this part makes me cry. But it does every single time. I don't know why. it should like There's nothing sad about it. but but But it just like seeing that shot where they all switch back to their younger selves, i don't know why. It just made me cry.
00:52:05
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:08
Speaker
Now we see little Flora dancing with younger Uncle Henry. That one got me
00:52:16
Speaker
Because it's her dad. yeah Her actual dad. Stop.
00:52:23
Speaker
ah You're welcome.
00:52:30
Speaker
He got to have a life with her after all. With his daughter. yeah
00:52:37
Speaker
hu and am just gonna put this out there that he never told her he wasn't really her like uncle that he was i don't think he ever told
Themes of Love and Acceptance in 'The Haunting of Bly Manor'
00:52:48
Speaker
her he wasn't her the biological father that's my head canon because out of respect for his brother and that whole speech that his brother gave him or like he's like i'm gonna be the one that raised that you know is there for her It's going to be so like out of respect for his brother. I don't think he ever told her.
00:53:12
Speaker
i like that because she becomes a father. He becomes sort of a father figure anyway. A father figure. Yeah. So it's not like specifically saying something is going to mean anything.
00:53:26
Speaker
Right.
00:53:31
Speaker
we could do it little bit last little bit jamie goes up to her room fills the tub to look into the reflection of the water and sees only herself looks into her reflection in the water in the sink she gets ready for bed and leaves the hotel room door open sits in a chair facing it and goes to sleep and then the very last shot there's a hand on her shoulder to the end
00:54:12
Speaker
You all can laugh at us. The sounds of us tearing up and crying. You all can. If you didn't cry once during this episode, I don't want to judge you, but I'm a judge you a little bit.
00:54:27
Speaker
It's so good.
00:54:33
Speaker
ah And that song that's playing over it really works with the scene. Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:47
Speaker
I love this episode because of what it, it's tying everything together the message at the end.
00:55:00
Speaker
Throughout the the season, I've said, hey, this is kind of like dementia. It feels like it's a metaphor for dementia. um You could also do depression, which you mentioned today.
00:55:12
Speaker
I think that could work as well.
00:55:17
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um But
00:55:23
Speaker
the end message I felt for for the whole season is, hey, yeah, this is going to happen. It can happen. We don't know when. We don't know how long we have.
00:55:38
Speaker
But especially the scene, i ah believe it was the scene in the flower shop where they both Danny and Jamie were like, we we know it's going to happen, but we shouldn't let that detract or, or take away, stop us from trying.
00:55:59
Speaker
Yeah. Because there's so much love and so much happiness that can come from this. Why should we let the fear of something bad happening ruin it?
00:56:12
Speaker
And I still have that today. Me too. and Yeah, and you shouldn't let death, does ah with the fear of death, disease, dementia, worry, or anything like that rule your life.
00:56:27
Speaker
and you You are able to have those happy moments. You're able to love. You're able to live in spite of what will or could happen. I love that about this episode.
00:56:40
Speaker
Yeah, me too. to Tomorrow's not promised.
00:56:48
Speaker
we do have today and that's the moment we should live in prepare for tomorrow but you have to live in today and be thankful in present moments for what you have
00:57:12
Speaker
it's worth it to love and be loved and then have that taken away from you
00:57:21
Speaker
And because you always have that with you, you always have that piece, like they say in the episode, you always have that piece of them with you.
00:57:32
Speaker
and so i think it can extend to other relationships like family friends we create bonds and even if it's not a death even if it's just a separation you know life moves on you move jobs change you can hold those relationships in your heart, you know, because I have friends from, my gosh, high school or 20 years ago, and I don't know where they are, who they are now, but like those memories I have at those, you know, good times and fun moments and emotional times and bonding and just life that we went through together, the time we were near each other, like looking back on those and holding those to my heart is special too.
00:58:26
Speaker
So it's important not to to really take anything for granted. So I like
00:58:34
Speaker
your take on on all of it.
00:58:39
Speaker
Yeah. It's really good. you. Thank you. And then we you have the antithesis with Viola, who...
00:58:50
Speaker
is too stubborn, too rageful and angry. And she's just unwilling to let things happen and to move on that she causes all this pain.
00:59:06
Speaker
And it's not just he herself. It's everyone else. It, it, it, like it says in the episode, she's, it just creates a gravity around her where it just sucks everyone in.
00:59:19
Speaker
It does, yeah. And just hurts so many other people. So Viola and Danny both knew that they were going to die.
00:59:34
Speaker
They both knew it was coming.
00:59:37
Speaker
But how they handled it so differently
00:59:42
Speaker
made all the difference because Viola handled it with anger and abuse. and stubbornness selfishness and danny handled it with love and acceptance and gratitude gratitude for what she has day to day
01:00:02
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because i think just realizing that like right now yeah i was like oh i see it
01:00:14
Speaker
When Dany takes her in, i think it says that the gravity was released and all the spirits were released. The gravity on the house was released. Yeah.
01:00:26
Speaker
Which is why she can't see Dany at the end. Because i think that's this I think it's the manor.
01:00:35
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I could be mistaken.
01:00:38
Speaker
But... and
01:00:43
Speaker
Danny's there, so what we see her at the hand. But yeah Jamie's not able to see her because of the spell that was broken, to put in terms that I don't have any better way of saying.
01:00:58
Speaker
I think also Danny wouldn't want her to wouldn't didn't want her to
01:01:06
Speaker
worry about her. She wanted her to like live her life. Mm-hmm.
01:01:14
Speaker
And I think that was also a difference too.
01:01:18
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:27
Speaker
Overall. Awesome series. Overall. Amazing. Incredible. It's a love story and a ghost story because they're the same. Yep. It's beautiful and haunting. It's like we said at the beginning.
01:01:47
Speaker
I loved the...
01:01:54
Speaker
When you're in something, it's kind of hard to accurately, I guess, judge it against something else. yeah I guess you could call that recency bias, but I just love being with these characters a lot more than I did with Hill House. And that's not to say that Hill House is bad. We've said this over and over again, but I just, I love this story and I love these characters.
01:02:21
Speaker
And I'm sad it's over. Yeah. Me too. Me too. I'm excited to move on. I'll miss it.
01:02:36
Speaker
might have to make Corey watch it.
01:02:40
Speaker
You can't go for too long. You gotta go back. I gave him a little pass this time.
01:02:51
Speaker
um Not for a Midnight Mass, though. here he's he's going to be got to watch it He's going to be watching this one. I've already given him his warning.
01:03:07
Speaker
Oh my gosh. If you have stuck with us through these episodes, thank you so much. I hope you've enjoyed watching and revisiting this season. um Stay tuned. We're going to do our little recap next.
01:03:22
Speaker
Get our hands on as many Henry James stories as possible. And we'll see what comes out of that next time. But for now, we're just going to say bye.
01:03:33
Speaker
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