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Episode 2: Open Casket
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Here is episode 2: Open Casket. Brace yourselves because this one is full of terror and trauma! Not the kittens!
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Introduction and 'The Haunting of Hill House' Discussion
00:00:02
Speaker
It's time for House on the Hill. What? It's haunted. Do you mean the Haunting of a Hill House? Exactly. Let's go.
Hosts Introduce Themselves and Discuss 'Open Casket'
00:00:55
Speaker
Welcome back, everyone, to Fans of Flanagan. I'm Noah. I'm Laura. And we are continuing our dive into Haunting of Hill House this week with episode two, Open Casket. Before we get into that, Laura, what have you been watching recently?
00:01:12
Speaker
So nothing too new. We watched the new South Park last night before my husband and I watched this episode Open Casket called Joining the Pandaverse and I felt like kind of a dumb blonde when I initially read the title. I literally thought it said Pandaverse and I was like, what does that have to do?
00:01:36
Speaker
And then I look closer and it's pander verse I was like, Oh, makes a lot more sense. But I got my husband to start to watch Barry with me. And he's admitted that he likes it because he was really reluctant to start that show with me, but he's conceded that it is amazing.
00:02:01
Speaker
Fine, fine. I have three. I have three. I have a show and two movies. Oh, I have a recommendation after. Yeah, absolutely. You can go now. Go ahead. It's another show that was canceled too early. Because remember I said you all should watch the OAA and it got canceled too early. This one is kind of from a long time ago and I don't know why it got canceled because it was amazing but
00:02:27
Speaker
Oh, you're kidding me. I cannot do this. What is it called? Dead Like Me. Okay. So good. What's it about? It is. Or is it like the lesson, no way better?
00:02:41
Speaker
Um, no, like the overview isn't a big deal. This girl dies on her lunch break from her first day on her job. And then instead of going into the afterlife, she gets recruited as a grim reaper, basically. So people who have died
00:03:01
Speaker
can end up being a reaper. And so now they have to go and reap souls and there's like different departments. And so, but because she's a grim reaper, she still kind of has to like live as a mortal, even though she's dead. Interesting. It's really, really funny. I think you would like it a lot. But I do tell you about it. I can find out because it's kind of an older show.
00:03:33
Speaker
it is on amazon prime at least season two and then on roku you can find seasons one and two okay okay i'll have to see if i can well we'll have to add that to the ever growing list of stuff i need to watch yes yes it's it's worth it it's got um mandy patinkin from um
00:04:01
Speaker
Princess Bride, amigo Montoya, yes.
Film Reviews: 'Once Were Warriors' and 'The Creator'
00:04:09
Speaker
Yep, that's it for me. What are you watching? I recently watched a movie for class. It's called Once We're Warriors. And it's about this New Zealand family. Tamura Morrison, I believe how you say his name.
00:04:25
Speaker
Um, plays this dad, um, and he's basically an alcoholic and abusive and everything. Uh, this is not an easy watch. So be prepared for that. Whenever you go into it. Um, I watched on canopy because I have access to it since I'm a college student. Um, I think you can use a library card to get access to canopy too. There's like, there's so many movies on there. You can watch for free. Um, what's the title of that again? Once we're warriors.
00:04:54
Speaker
It's really hard to watch. It's very sad, but it's a good movie. I don't think the acting is great, but I think it's a good movie. Yeah. There's really nothing else I can say about that right now. It just requires you to watch it.
00:05:15
Speaker
The second movie I watched was the creator which is out in Theaters right now instructed by Gareth Edwards, I believe the same guy who directed Rogue One and The rebooted Godzilla the first one And I thought it was an interesting movie was fun Not the greatest movie ever, but it's obviously it's nowhere near the worst. I had a good time I thought the premise was really cool. It's about
00:05:47
Speaker
Asia has basically developed AI and is like trying to work on implementing it with humankind and everything like that. And the US is scared of that. And it's just the conflict between that. So it was a really good movie. John David Washington is incredible, but every time he opens his mouth, he just sounds like his dad. He just sounds like Denzel. John David Washington.
00:06:12
Speaker
Oh, okay. Yeah.
TV Adaptations: 'Wheel of Time' and Comparisons
00:06:14
Speaker
He's Denzel's son. And you just, you can just hear Denzel every time he opens up his mouth. Um, that was a really good, really good movie. And then I've just now started to watch, uh, season two of wheel of time because I finished everything else. I was watching before. Um, after my Mary, you a book fan.
00:06:38
Speaker
I'm a, yes, I'm a very big fan. I've only read it through once, but I listened to a lot of podcasts about people reading through it. And I'm very conflicted because I really want to see what I read and I understand it's not always possible to do 100% that.
00:07:04
Speaker
But the show like completely is changing the course of the books and it doesn't feel nowhere near like the books at all. And it's very hard for someone who's a really big book fan, but I'm trying to view it as its own television series and its own thing. And it's like based on the Wheel of Time. It's still very hard. Yes, that's what I had to do too. I had to create a huge disconnect
00:07:34
Speaker
Yeah. But some of the elements just I don't know where they're going with it. And I've watched season two. So I have other after you finish that we can have a little mini discussion because that's what I had to do with season one just to keep my emotions in control. Yeah. And here's also where I get frustrated because if you watch and I think I've even said this on this show.
00:08:02
Speaker
You watch Game of Thrones. It's like watching the book. Yeah. It's literally like even the changes in there you don't notice because it's kind of seamless, but it's literally like watching the book. You know, and even the Lord of the Rings movies where they've condensed the books even more to fit into movies.
00:08:23
Speaker
still stays pretty true to it. So it's not even an excuse with Wheel of Time of, oh, they have to adapt it to a TV show. Nuh-uh. Sorry, no. I don't accept that. They're changing things to change them. I've forgiven it a little after season two. So there is a little hope. There's hope. But there's one element in season two that has me just royally enraged. Yeah.
00:08:54
Speaker
I think I vented to my husband for like 20 minutes about this one particular aspect in season two. And I'm curious if it's going to do the same for you.
00:09:05
Speaker
Well, right now I think I'm on other episode two or three. Unforgivable. And it's not until the end. So don't worry about it for now. Yeah. The episodes overall are enjoyable in season two. So, you know, by all means, like relax and enjoy yourself, but we'll get there when we get there. Yeah.
00:09:26
Speaker
It just feels right now like there's nothing happening and they're teasing stuff and just like nothing's happening because Rand is with Salim but like other than that Rand's doing nothing just besides seeing. Which was so confusing I was like what's the point of this?
00:09:45
Speaker
And Sean Chan are here and they captured everybody like what? That was weird but kind of cool. The visuals with the Sean Chan are amazing.
00:09:58
Speaker
How do they get there? Where, where even are they? Where is Perrin and that whole band? Like, cause last, they were in the borderlands before. Yeah. I know they're following, um, Potom Fane, but where are they? And where, where, how did the Shan Zhen get there? Because they have to come from the coast. Isn't that a coastal city?
00:10:22
Speaker
I don't know. I'll have to look at the maps again. I was never there and hasn't been my strongest fall may, which is how you're supposed to pronounce it in the show. They keep calling it fall. No, I'm sorry. You look in the back of the books where it has the disk like the pronunciations for all the things and it's fall may. Sorry. Well, that's how I read it. I don't care. It's what it is. I thought that was a coastal city.
00:10:48
Speaker
Because I know tears down south. And then I thought Falmay was
Deep Dive into 'Open Casket' Themes
00:10:54
Speaker
on the coast too. Not that this even matters. But it does kind of disrupt the story a little bit. Let's see.
00:11:14
Speaker
But the visuals for the Sean Chan were really good. They do look cool. They do look really cool. Yeah. I thought it was super weird how
00:11:28
Speaker
How do they say his name? Ishamel was like wrapped up. Yeah, Ishamel, whatever. Was like, what is happening? I'm just saying it however I heard it in the audiobook. Right. No, which is OK. Foam is on the very west coast. Yeah. I just looked up the map from the books. It's on the it's a coastal city, so that tracks.
00:11:55
Speaker
And I don't remember from the books how that like started to happen, but that is where they came from. They came from the east and ended up on the west coast. Yeah. So. But I just don't understand how Perrin and Crewe got there because they were in the borderlands. Yeah, they traveled.
00:12:18
Speaker
They traveled, but not traveled, traveled. If you're a fan of the books, you know what I mean. There's a difference between traveling and capital T traveling. So I think they're condensing books into seasons. I think they were putting like two and three. There's elements of book three in season two.
00:12:41
Speaker
Well, I know for sure when they get to some of the later books, like I think it's like eight and nine, seven, eight, nine or something. They're really good to condense them because those were slow. Book 10.
00:12:53
Speaker
Yeah, that dragged on for years. Nothing happens. I'm listening to a podcast that they're going through, The Wheel Weaves. If you are listening to this in some chance, I love your stuff. Anyway, I'm listening to this podcast and they're going through chapter by chapter. And it was so funny when she was going, when they were going through book 10, because we were like,
00:13:21
Speaker
There's nothing happening. I want things to happen and they don't happen. Like why am I reading this? When Perrin and his wife are separated and then there's just a lot of whining about how like they're separated. That's it. It's been a lot. It's been since that book was published that I've read it. Yeah. So, but that's, that was my takeaway. It was cold. There's a lot of snow and Perrin's not with his wife. Yeah. Okay. That's all I remember from that book. He's very mopey.
00:13:48
Speaker
Very mopey. Anyway, this is something to do with no house. If you can't tell, we really love The Wheel of Time. And if you haven't yet, you should go check it out. Oh, highly recommend the books. The books are great. Absolutely.
00:14:14
Speaker
Um, but we are going into episode two. The title of it is called open casket. It is directed by Mike Flanagan. Um, and I have a jump scare count of two for this episode. Oh, there was a lot of creepy elements. Yes. But I didn't count them as most of them as jump. I only counted one. Okay. I'll tell you when we get there, but I counted like one.
00:14:47
Speaker
I think I can't remember what. I mean, you could kind of count the wasp nest. That's what I counted. Yeah. I counted that one and the box later on. The box. Yeah. At the end. Yeah.
00:15:05
Speaker
I didn't even count that one. So we have completely different. We'll get into it. This episode, like, I mean, it was good as far as getting the story along, but there just wasn't.
00:15:18
Speaker
Maybe I'll change my mind later. I just finished it, and I was like, oh, OK. There you go. Really? Because I like this episode a lot. I liked it more than the first one. Change my mind. And we'll have to rank them at the end. But yeah, I'll try to change your mind. Yeah, change my mind. This is a Shirley-based episode. It's kind of funny because I don't especially like Shirley, but I have come to respect her a little bit.
00:15:47
Speaker
Even though I know some things about her, she's got some good things going for her in this episode. It opens up on Shirley waking up.
00:15:59
Speaker
After Nell kills herself at 303, she wakes up and she's like, oh, Nell is in the red room. And her husband's like, what did you say? And she just goes back to sleep. She's like, good night. And then it's the little boy, Max again, whose parent, whose grandma died. And his parents are trying to convince him to do the open casket thing and everything like that. And he keeps saying he sees his grandma without hair or teeth.
00:16:27
Speaker
And we actually see what it looks like later on. And it is kind of creepy. So if you're a little boy and you're seeing that at the edge of your bed, I'd be a little frightened to not want to see her like that. But Shirley then tries to comfort him and explain the process to make people look how they're supposed to. So you can cover up all the bad pictures that you have in your mind about what they might look like.
00:16:55
Speaker
and just fill them with good pictures and memories of what you used to know. Then it goes back in the past and Shirley is describing their forever home, not Shirley, Shirley's mom. Honestly, what do you know where her name is? Because I can't remember the mom's name. Um, I don't know. They just refer to her as
00:17:19
Speaker
No. But I can find out. And she's so gorgeous. Like the light they put her in, I feel like they do that on purpose. They make her very like angelic. So like the, the juxtaposition when it's on Shirley as a grown up, and then immediately it cuts to their mother in like that beautiful light of the window and she's sitting at her desk and she's kind of ethereal. That was interesting.
00:17:48
Speaker
Olivia, Olivia live. Yeah. I think is what he calls it. Olivia or live. Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:55
Speaker
Also, anytime you want to say something, just come and interrupt me. It's okay. Of course. I have no problem. But Liv is designing their forever home. And she's describing it as their forever home as a body, basically, in that the dining room is like the heart and all the pipes and everything or the veins and whatnot.
00:18:23
Speaker
And then Nell comes in and asks Shirley to have a tea party with her. Shirley's like, no, I don't want to have a tea party, but I'll go outside and play with you. So they go outside. Before they do, their mom was like, porch light means it's time to come home. If it flicks twice, it means it's time to come home.
00:18:40
Speaker
And that's a very important detail for later on that I didn't notice until this viewing around. And then they go outside and play outside. We see Luke briefly, see Abigail outside the little blonde girl that he says he keeps seeing. And we don't know if it's like an apparition or if he's a real person or anything yet.
00:19:02
Speaker
Shirley then starts taking pictures outside. She takes pictures of Theo and Hugh, Mr. Dudley, and I think the hill graves that are over there. And she hears meows from the little shed outside. She goes to investigate and she sees a box of kittens.
00:19:25
Speaker
that are meowing and their mom's nowhere inside. And she takes a picture of them and is creeped out because she thinks she saw something behind the box of kittens and goes to take another picture. And it looks like a like a face. And she freaks out and screams. And I counter that as a jump scare because it was very sudden. And I think there was like a musical sting or something like that.
00:19:49
Speaker
There was on the second photo she took because it had the like the musical buildup, the tension. And then she took the picture and it was like a face, but it wasn't like. That creepy, I don't know. You know, it didn't really look too much like a face. Yeah. You know, it didn't scare me, but, you know, was a jump scare that was trying to get you.
00:20:18
Speaker
But Mr. Dudley and Hugh come back, come in and describe it's just a wasp nest and they built it around a mask and they built, they build nests around different items and such. But the kids are worried about the kittens or Shirley's were in mother kittens because she doesn't want to leave them here because there are dogs that are that she hears outside. Mr. Dudley's like, there's no dogs. I don't know.
00:20:48
Speaker
at night like what happens because we don't stay here but like there's no dogs on property and he was like well the kids like say they hear them every night so that's just another creepy little thing um also probably another thing that doesn't make sense for you right anyway yeah
00:21:05
Speaker
No, it doesn't not. I mean, not yet. And I also thought it was kind of interesting in the first episode talking
Eerie Events at Hill House and Dudleys' Warnings
00:21:10
Speaker
to Mrs. Dudley. And then here in the second episode, they both make it a point to say, we do not stay here at night. We are not on the property at night. And the grownups are like, mom and dad are just like, okay. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, whatever. Instead of saying to another grownup, like, why? What's going on? What's your concern? What's the big deal? Right, right.
00:21:34
Speaker
not the approach I would take if I was moving my family to a new location and the caretakers who know more about the property than I do make it a point to say, we don't stay here at night. And the Dudley's don't even press it. They don't even say, you guys need to leave or you shouldn't be here.
00:21:55
Speaker
They don't even like right. I don't think they'd even do anything like that. No, they don't. So is this like the 90s? So live and let live. Yeah. But surely convinces.
00:22:10
Speaker
her dad to let her keep the kittens. Let me flash forward. And Shirley has her own forever house model that she wants to to build. But she's talking with her husband and they're struggling with money because surely over half of the the clients they have are special case cases and quotation marks because she feels bad. She feels she feels bad for people.
00:22:42
Speaker
and gives them a discount and makes them not pay the full amount and everything like that it's really hurting their business because they are a funeral home and they're just basically staying even so they can't they're not making any money now their model of the forever home is that the same design as their mother's design it might be i don't think it's revealed in this episode or not
00:23:10
Speaker
Cause that was my assumption. Yeah. It might be forever. She doesn't say our forever home. She says, this is the forever home. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't get a good look at the house. I think we'll get a better one later. Yeah. I remember correctly. Um, her husband goes to get someone out the door.
00:23:38
Speaker
And she sees this man on the couch raise a glass to her and we didn't see him before. And then he disappears when the husband comes back. I don't remember the first time watching this. I was like, what the heck is going on? Who is that? Yeah. And it's just hinting at later information that we do not know yet. Super random. Probably the guilt that she has.
00:24:07
Speaker
I can't remember, I think it was the dad, the dad of the little boy, Max, that was coming in to talk to them and saying, we're going to go through with it. I honestly can't remember that conversation, but it wasn't too important to the story. Just basically the final arrangements. Yeah.
00:24:27
Speaker
Then we go, we jumped back in the past about six years ago and Shirley and Steven are splitting the cost of rehab for Luke and it's about $6,000 a month and it's supposed to be a four to six month commitment. Oh, that hurts. I can't even imagine.
00:24:47
Speaker
And Steven feels bad and he can't really help because he's a struggling writer at the time. And surely he's like, well, you can just pay me back when you're a famous writer. And I thought that was hilarious because he tries to take the money.
00:25:03
Speaker
But then they go into this, the lobby, I'm assuming. I think it's really nice that all of his siblings are there for him. Um, because Luke is, is going in, he has to take a urine analysis, but everyone's there supporting him. And even Theo gives him a hug and everything and wishes him luck and he goes off. Um,
00:25:30
Speaker
It flashes back to the present day and Shirley sees this checkbook that only has Kevin. That was his name. I'm sorry. That's her husband's name, Kevin, that only has his name on it. And she is talking to Theo and she finds that a little suspicious because they have joint accounts. So why does he have his own solo check checking account with checkbooks and everything?
00:25:54
Speaker
And Theo says something like, well, just assume the worst and go forward with that. I was like, that's not the best approach. No, she's very cynical too much cynicism in life. I didn't like Shirley's response where she was like,
00:26:17
Speaker
I don't know if I should be the kind of person that brings it up. And I'm like, excuse me. Yeah. If my husband has like a whole other account that I don't know about, you better believe I'm going to be bringing it up. Yeah. Because like, why? And why? Yeah, why didn't you tell me? Why is it something I don't know? Exactly. That is a huge issue. It's not a small thing. Yeah.
00:26:46
Speaker
You never know until you ask. And if you don't ask, you're just going to have all these bad ideas in your head. Right. Because if it's innocent, you can let it go. And if it's nefarious, you have to know about it anyway. Yeah. If it's an issue, it has to be, you know, addressed and resolved. Which.
00:27:08
Speaker
Throughout the show, Shirley's going to have a problem where she's projecting her own self onto Kevin. And so like this is like, I think maybe the start of it where she is like projecting her guilt onto Kevin and like starting to blame him for things or suspect him of things when he's he's done nothing wrong. There's more stuff that happens late in later episodes that we'll talk about, but I think it's the start of that.
00:27:39
Speaker
We go back in the past and Theo barges into Shirley's room and is blaming her for banging on her room and saying her name. And she was like, what the heck are you talking about? I've been sleeping. I didn't do that. And Theo's really mad and angry. She's like, yes, you did. You're banging on it. And then the banging starts happening. She's like, what do you want? So what do you want? You were calling my name. What do you want? I love this little Theo. She's so angry.
00:28:09
Speaker
But then the room, there's begging all over the room, and it freaks the girls out. That was creepy. Yeah, Shirley's kind of like trying to protect her, but she's still freaking out as well. I like how it's not just the sound, but like the pictures are moving. Like it's the banging. Yeah. It's like moving the pictures away from the wall. The furniture is being affected. Yeah. So it's not just a sound we heard that is like plausible deniability.
00:28:39
Speaker
It was real and forceful and scary. Yeah. And I forgot to mention, but before this happened, surely here's the dogs barking outside. So it just adds more to the what's going on. Right. So there are at least two dogs. Why do we hear dogs barking? Right. And then the begging stops and he runs in the rooms like what's going on?
00:29:07
Speaker
Like you, you didn't hear the banging. You didn't hear all of that noise. He's like, Oh, I believe you guys. I didn't hear, but I believe you guys, which I liked that he validated their experience. He was like, yeah, I believe you. Cause I feel like a lot of parents are just like, no, you didn't know. You didn't know you did. You're crazy. Right. But I like that. He's like, I believe you. I didn't hear it, but I believe you. Now let's talk about it.
00:29:30
Speaker
Yeah, I believe you but I also think it might have been the pipes. Like he tried to explain it away in the water and everything. Oh, did you catch this because I put it together when you were going over what Liv was saying about in a home that the pipes are the veins.
00:29:49
Speaker
And then all of a sudden the banging on the walls is the pipes. I'm using like air quotes, but the houses can be like houses are alive. So this house, something is alive about this house, but there was like that connection with the dad blaming the pipes for the noise. And the mom had said that the pipes are kind of like the house's veins. Maybe it means nothing, but that was an interesting kind of connection I caught.
00:30:15
Speaker
I think it could also be connected with the mold later on. And maybe the. I don't remember enough yet. And blood are infected. And this is interesting. More discussion for a later time. Yes.
00:30:36
Speaker
And then he's sitting on their bed, talking to them, he's like, don't worry, it's over, it's over, it's aw. I didn't know it was a jump scare. No, that wasn't a jump scare, but that was creepy. But it was really creepy. It was really creepy. Even my husband looked at me and he was like, oh my gosh. Yeah, his mouth drops open like longer than it's supposed to and his eyes like gray out. So it was kind of like a memory turned into a dream in that sequence. Yeah.
00:31:06
Speaker
Yeah. And Shirley wakes up and she's getting a call from Steven. Um, and it's, and it's Steven telling her that Nell's dead. And she denies it at first. She's denying. She's like, no, she's not. Like, why are you joking with me right now? Like, nobody listens to each other. He was trying to explain, like, I saw Nell in my house, but Shirley's in her own head. Like, what do you mean? She's dead, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:36
Speaker
Um, and Shirley's like, no, she wouldn't have called dad. She would have called one of us. She tried to one by one. She reached out to everybody.
00:31:49
Speaker
Yeah. And then she tries to blame Steven from not going, like for not going to her when she said to, I said, she was in trouble. I said, she wasn't okay. I sent you to go over there and you didn't go over there. It's all your fault. She's like breaking down. It's just really sad. Um,
00:32:07
Speaker
We flash back in the past and Shirley wakes up to go say hi to the kittens. And but one of the kittens didn't make it. And when the kids died, which is very sad because I love animals and I have two kittens on my own. I just. I hate thinking about dead animals because I love animals so much. Yeah, that whole sequence is really sad. I've raised newborn kittens and.
00:32:36
Speaker
I kind of helped that their fur didn't look real. Like they did a good job at making fake baby kittens. Yeah. But if it looked more real, it would have been a little more upsetting.
Shirley's Career and Family Dynamics
00:32:49
Speaker
Yeah. They did look. Synthetic. Yeah, pretty, pretty, pretty fix. It was OK. But they they have a mini funeral for the kitten. Yeah.
00:33:04
Speaker
And he was saying, oh, say something about a kitten, give the kitten a eulogy. This is kind of something when you do and when something dies, kind of talk about their life and everything. And, um, live goes into that. Now, when we die, we turn into stories. Uh, when someone tells a story, a piece of us lives on and she ends it with like, we're all stories in the end. And I really, really, really love that. Um,
00:33:31
Speaker
because i think that that's what life is about is going through life and experiencing it and having these stories to tell so you can tell others so like you can just share your experiences with everyone so it just it feels like
00:33:47
Speaker
or getting more out of life and you're learning more through other people and through other experiences that you may not be able to have on your own. And I think that's maybe one of the reasons why I love movies and why I love reading so much is because it's just short stories being told to each other and I love it. I love it so much. I agree with all of that.
00:34:16
Speaker
But then Shirley sees movement in the kitten's throat and she thinks the kitten is still alive. And it's this like really close up shot on the kitten's face and the mouth opens up and this just bug crawls out of it. And it's really creepy and gross. A shiny, green beetle. Yeah.
00:34:40
Speaker
Bugs don't bother me, but bugs crawling out of dead animals bothers me. A hundred percent. And I knew, like, even though I don't remember a lot of these scenes from my first time around, I knew what was happening because I was like, oh, no, it's not alive. It's going to be a bug. It's going to be a bug. It's a bug. Yeah. I was kind of like gearing up for that.
00:35:04
Speaker
I was going to ask what your, what your husband said, but I think we'll go into that later. He didn't say anything at this particular moment, but he like looked at me like, Oh my gosh. Does he like scary stuff? He does. He likes the, he likes the slasher movies, but like psychologically scary. He does not tend to go for those where that's more of like my
00:35:34
Speaker
favorite type of scary movies. He likes the overt scary. He does not like the slow builds. He does not like the messing with your head. He doesn't like those kind of movies. Whereas when it gets visually scary, he's all for it. And I'm the one hiding under my blanket. And he's the one telling me, calm down. Just watch. It's going to be OK. It's not real.
00:36:00
Speaker
it's okay you'll be fine just get through it yeah like we watched megan and i had to i had to leave i was like i can't do this it's too much and even that one wasn't too bad it wasn't that like no
00:36:17
Speaker
It wasn't that crazy, but I was like, I can't do it. It was so campy. Exactly. And I get that. And that's why I agreed to start watching it. This is so off topic, but that's why I agreed to start watching. Cause I knew it was going to be stupid and like campy and like all of that on purpose. Cause it's supposed to be mostly funny, but that kind of like violence for enjoyment.
00:36:43
Speaker
Yeah, it's like the perpetrator is like in is having a good time like stabbing somebody. I'm sorry. I can't get I can't go along with that. It's too much. No, it's okay. It's it's it can be a lot for people and when Sue I don't know if it's I think it's the Suicide Squad. The more recent one, the good one came out.
00:37:07
Speaker
The good one. Yeah, the one with Idris Elba and John Cena. That's the good one. Have you seen the other one with Jared Leto as the Joker? Wait a second. Wait a second. I think I missed something.
00:37:27
Speaker
Is it a remake or a sequel? Neither. It's it's a it's the in the DC universe, just like the Suicide Squad is. But it's like. With a different group, but they're still called the Suicide Squad. It's very confusing. I'm lost, I. I had no idea.
00:37:57
Speaker
anyway so it's not the one with will smith no it's that one's the garbage one well yeah anyway what about it um there's there's a scene
00:38:17
Speaker
where they're going through and it's like rebel camp and they're supposed to be like killing all these people. And it makes it a comedy fest with the way they're killing people because it's John Cena and you just elbow trying to outdo each other and like competing. And it's kind of funny. Twenty twenty one. Yeah. Well, it's kind of funny.
00:38:44
Speaker
But one review that I was listening to, the guy just got very upset about it because he just doesn't understand how people can take pleasure in like violence, especially when it comes to like killing and murder and everything like that. And I totally understand. I totally get it. Right.
00:39:05
Speaker
people are different and different things are going to attract them. And you know, I don't even think that that kind of a scene in like a battle scene would bother me because it's a battle scene. It's an obvious good versus bad. It's not evil chasing innocent. Yeah. And reveling in that gore. Yeah. You know, like scream was hard to get through. I don't.
00:39:29
Speaker
enjoy those kind of things. But I don't think I would have a problem with that scene because I think that would be funny. You have to go watch it. I do have to watch this now because I have no idea. Oh, it's got John Cena? Yeah. What is happening? He's very good. And then he had a spin-off show called Peace Maker and he was really good at that show too. Oh, I did hear about that. Yeah.
00:39:59
Speaker
So is there no Joker in this at all? No, thankfully. But Harley Quinn is in there. Yeah, I see that. It doesn't have Batman, does it? Not that I remember. If it does, maybe for a second. No, I don't see. Ben Affleck on here.
00:40:29
Speaker
I feel like we could do a whole series just on the ridiculousness of the DC movie. Oh, absolutely. This episode is brought to you by DC, by the way. Just kidding. I made episode just switched to DC. Anyway, it's present day.
00:40:55
Speaker
And Shirley has decided that she is going to be doing this service for, for now. And everyone's basically telling her, no, you shouldn't be doing this. Like, this is going to be too much for you. Let someone else take it, take care of it. And she's like, no, I'm doing it. And she sends her assistant to go get Noah's body and she's like, be careful. It's a long drive. So it's not too far for her drive, but it's.
00:41:23
Speaker
It's farther than like a short distance away. Well, the factor of you have a dead body in your van. There's like, you have to factor all of that in with the decomp, the temperature outside, things like that. Yeah.
00:41:44
Speaker
And then we find out and I think in the conversation that Luke missed Nell's wedding. And Shirley's not going to have a miss her funeral. Anyway, wow. I'm so good with the words. She really wants to make sure that because Luke missed Nell's wedding, he's not going to miss her funeral.
00:42:09
Speaker
which makes me frustrated because of later. We're going to talk about later on as of later. I'm like, wait a second, because you're bringing that up. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, wait, you're the just a minute. Anyway, we'll get she lost some points for that. But she OK. Um.
00:42:33
Speaker
But then we go shows that she has work to do and she goes to the funeral for the grandma that's happening right now. Max, the little boy is hesitant to see his grandma and he's like, no, I don't want to go do it. And surely the whole sequence where she was preparing the body was really interesting.
00:42:52
Speaker
Um, I don't know. I just kind of like details like that. I really appreciated that they put that in there. What goes on between when your family member has passed and when you see them in the casket, there's a whole lot of stuff that goes on that we don't see. And I like that quote that she says later on, it's not meant for people to see, you're not meant to see your loved one handled like this. Um, just from personal experience of people that we know that have passed, um,
00:43:22
Speaker
like grandmother, your great-grandmother, my grandmother, when she passed and I went to the viewing, she looked beautiful. And I even said to your grandma, to my aunt, I said, she's beautiful. They did a great job. And she was like, yeah, they really did because she just, she looked like herself. Because sometimes you go and you see your family member or friend and they just don't look like themselves. But our grandmother, she looked like herself and she looked,
00:43:49
Speaker
She looked lovely. So just credit to those that work in that industry that really pay attention to detail and take the time to do a good job for people. Yeah. I think I've only been to one funeral, one or two. But I have not done a viewing at all. And I think I'm like hesitant to do one because that sort of thing
00:44:20
Speaker
is not natural for me. But I think it would be something that I would have to do at least once and just see how I feel about it. Because I think what you're envisioning, it's going to be like it's not what it's actually going to be like. And you just remember that there's still
00:44:36
Speaker
It's still them. Yeah. They're just not there anymore. You know. Yeah. And this show really goes into that. And I love it. Yeah. I love how Shirley interacts with Max. She's like, you need to do this. You're going to regret it if you don't. I'll go with you. I'll be there with you. But this is a good thing. Like, it's not scary. It's not bad. This is going to be a good thing for you. Like, a really good coping method.
00:45:05
Speaker
And then she does offer to go with him and it flashes back to the past when Shirley was at her mom's funeral. I love how they do the transitions, by the way. I thought the transition for that one was really cool.
00:45:22
Speaker
And this, I'm assuming, I don't know the technical term for the, that profession, the ones who make the body ready, mortician. Okay. Um, the mortician for her mother offers to bring Shirley up as well.
00:45:41
Speaker
So there's funeral directing, mortician. Sometimes it's the same person. Sometimes it's separate. I don't, I'm not an expert on, I just know like a lot about everything, a little about a lot. I know a little about almost everything out there. So somebody can correct me on Instagram on fans of Flanagan. If I'm wrong, I would love to be
00:46:08
Speaker
I always appreciate that. But from my limited knowledge, you know, you've got the mortician that can prepare the body. There's also texts that assist. And this is different from the, the
00:46:25
Speaker
the coroner's and those that do the autopsies and investigations and cause of death and on and on and with the as far as that goes and then you have like funeral directors so like I said sometimes the funeral director and the mortician is the same person sometimes they're different sometimes they're even different like establishments so yeah
00:46:47
Speaker
Yeah, well, the mortician is offering to take Shirley up to see her mother and is doing the same thing that present day Shirley is doing for Max. And I think it's a really, really nice parallel and a very obvious motivator for Shirley for her career in the future.
00:47:06
Speaker
Um, let me go back to the present and everyone is again, still saying that Shirley's kind of insane and crazy for doing this for now. Um, but she is very adamant and she's very insisting upon doing this herself because she wasn't there for now when she needed her. And this is the way that she can help now. Um, and she can fix her herself. And I thought it was very.
00:47:37
Speaker
She's not letting really her emotions show too much. She's very closed off right now, but you can you can tell how much this means to her and how important this is and just how she feels. She probably feels bad about letting her sister down and that she wasn't there for her when she needed her the most. I think she was using that time to deal with her guilt. Yeah.
00:48:05
Speaker
of not being there for her, you know, when she was reaching out, you know, they couldn't have known that some things we really only know in hindsight. So I think that was her way of kind of managing her guilt and her grief. So whether or not you like agree with that, you can understand her point of view.
Shirley's Emotional Struggles and Family Hauntings
00:48:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:32
Speaker
Which brings her back up in my eyes. She has some points against her, but she I think. In this episode that she's introduced in. She. She's a good standing with me, at least. Hmm. And then we go to when Shirley is unzipping now. And the actress who plays Shirley, let me pull it up because I have the tab right here.
00:49:06
Speaker
Elizabeth Reeser I Want to say that's how you pronounce it She does. I think she does a great job of micro expressions In that close-up on her face when she ends up in hell because you can just really see the sadness come through in very small ways Yeah, so she did great in that in that scene. She really did Yeah Then we go back to the past and
00:49:36
Speaker
all of the kittens have pretty much died, except for one. And it looks infected. It's got like green stuff around the nose and it's got milky eyes. Um, and anyone who's ever like fostered kittens before or raised kittens just knows that that's really not good and that kind of severely affected and just not
00:50:00
Speaker
and probably in a lot of pain. I just want to say little Shirley screaming at every little thing was kind of annoying me in this.
00:50:12
Speaker
She screamed at the waft's nest. She screamed at, I think the bug coming out or something. And then she's like, she screams at the king being dead. And then now she's screaming at the white eyes. It's, it's white eyes. Why are you screaming? I would scream. I counted that as like a jump scare too. Cause it was so sudden. Like it just went. Okay. It didn't like make me jump, but I counted that as a jump scare. So, okay.
00:50:41
Speaker
So that's probably a potential three, maybe two for the episode. Well, I might debate you about the box at the end. I don't know, because that didn't register as a jump scare. And I'm kind of on the fence about the wasp nest, but I'll give it to you.
00:51:01
Speaker
All right, we'll get to the box when we get there. I didn't think this was going to be like a source of debate. That's a jump scare. No, it's not.
00:51:17
Speaker
We go back to the future, or the present, sorry. And Shirley is talking to Steven and is saying, you need to get Luke and our dad to the airport. And Steven's complaining about it and getting pushback like he always does about everything. And then Shirley's like, I am elbows deep in Nell's chest cavity right now, taking out her organs.
00:51:41
Speaker
And all you have to do is get two grown men to the Gosh darn airport. That was morbidly funny. Amazing. Like you need to give this guy some perspective. Yeah. Like all you need to do is find Luke and just come here. And I'm the one who's just even our sister right now taking out our organ and everything. So how do you think I feel right now?
00:52:11
Speaker
which that's an accurate thing. The coroner's just, they do, they just bag up the organs and shove them back in. And then the mortician takes them out and then fills them up with what, I don't know what they fill them up with, but. Yeah. Yep. To give them their shape back. That'd be interesting to find out. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway.
00:52:42
Speaker
And we go back to the past. And she's getting upset at her mom for giving away the sick kitten. At least that's what her mom tells her. Mm hmm. Why would you give it away? Like, why wouldn't you let us keep it? Like all this kind of stuff. And she's yelling at her mom and then her mom start live, starts getting in pain or something. And she can't handle it anymore. She yells at Shirley and it goes to
00:53:11
Speaker
live in hue in the bed. And he was like, Oh, it's been a while since you've had one of your color storms, which is interesting. I don't know if that's just like another term for a migraine or Yeah, that was my take. Okay. Is that it's like a, either like a precursor to a migraine or the migraine. Because there's lots of different types of migraines and random
00:53:40
Speaker
maybe not so interesting fact, I've experienced three of them. Three migraines? Three separate types. Oh, three separate types. Oh, I've had more than three. Oh, there's different types. Yeah. There's different types. There's the classic one where you can't tolerate light or sound. And you might even have like a closing in feeling on your peripherals like it blacks
00:54:13
Speaker
I can't remember what it's called, but it affects your eye. And so I see like an aura almost like a perfect circle in my field of vision of just one eye. And it's like blurry in the middle with a halo around it and then normal vision around that just out of one eye. So it almost looks like you've been staring at something bright and you look away. But then I realized I wasn't staring at anything bright.
00:54:32
Speaker
out on the sides of your
00:54:41
Speaker
what is happening and then I would start to feel like kind of sick and very weak and very tired and then I sleep and then I feel better and then the other kind this one scared me the most because I didn't even know it was a thing the exact right side of my face started to tingle and almost go numb and I was like oh is this am I gonna have a stroke
00:55:08
Speaker
And when that one happened, I was putting my kids to bed and I'm like, be normal, be normal. Don't freak out. And I started going through in my head like, okay, if it is a stroke, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to do ABC and then I'm going to take myself to the doctor.
00:55:29
Speaker
But then I, I had this thought come to me that it might just be a migraine. You should look up and see if this is like a migraine thing. And I looked it up and sure enough, half of your face going tingly and numb is the type of a migraine. And then sure enough, 10 minutes after that, I got super tired and the headache started and I had to sleep it off, but yeah, it's good times. Not a green suck. And there's more types than that too. So migraines do suck.
00:55:57
Speaker
I get chronic headaches. I don't know why I haven't seen a doctor about it, but a good amount of them tend to be migraines. And I'll get the one where it's like behind an eye and just like one spot. It just sits there and it won't go away. I'll have like the one side of my head will hurt.
00:56:20
Speaker
Um, I get a lot of tension headaches, which is all the back of my neck and like the back of my head and just, Oh, I can't stand them because there's nothing I can do. That'll help. Tylenol was won't help. Ibuprofen doesn't help. And I just sit there and suffer in the dark. Advil makes a migraine pill, but it's literally just Ibuprofen with caffeine. Yeah.
00:56:49
Speaker
So my daughter gets a different type. She gets abdominal migraines. That means her pain gets referred to her stomach. Interesting. And it's a very common childhood thing. I didn't know it was a thing. She was doubled over in the doctor's office with severe stomach pain. And the doctor was telling me she's got a throat virus. And I'm like, what are you talking about?
00:57:15
Speaker
and he said I think she has abdominal migraines so sometimes when she has pain in her body it gets referred down to her stomach and it can come with cyclical vomiting so she can end up throwing up. She can be doubled over in pain for a long time enough that she thinks she's got appendicitis and I have taken her to the doctor thinking she's got appendicitis.
00:57:35
Speaker
And the difference is there's no fever. So it's tricky when she gets sick because it's like, is this a stomach bug? Is this an episode? Is this appendicitis, which that's happened in my family too. So it's always kind of on my mind. Yeah. With that especially, it's always better to be safe than sorry.
00:57:56
Speaker
100%. I'd rather go to the doctor and her be fine than think that it's one thing that's not serious. And then it ended up being like the one time that it is a big deal. Yeah.
00:58:11
Speaker
Um, more fun facts for you guys about, yeah, nobody asked for, but if that helps anybody, cause like a lot of those things I didn't know about until I went through them. So if I had known about them before, that would have been helpful. So maybe it's helpful to somebody out there. Hopefully we never know. Only needs to reach like one person.
00:58:35
Speaker
then I've done my job. Yeah. But then Liv goes to say that there like was no color at all. It was just pitch black and it hit her very fast, faster than it normally does.
00:58:53
Speaker
And they ended up having an argument about what they could have done better about the conversation about death and with Shirley and everything like that. And Liv feels terrible that she had to lie to Shirley and he was like, well, I could have probably done it better.
00:59:14
Speaker
And she's like, would you have done anything different? Would you have said anything different? And he's like, no. I like that moment where he thinks he's saying the right thing. And she gets up and she's like, oh, and he kind of has this like moment of like, what did I do? What did I say? I was like, oh, that's very accurate. Marriage. Very true to life right there.
00:59:39
Speaker
But then I liked how she explained it and he was like, okay, I get it. I understand that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, my mom's like, well, she's going to have a pretty messed up view of death. And that was funny in a conversation and like the next scene it's.
00:59:55
Speaker
for pulling back the skull of Mel. I was like, you could say that. Rolling the scalp back on his sister's head. Yeah. And you know, the surgery scenes, scenes like that, they don't bug me either. I find them interesting. I can watch surgery all day, except for on the mouth or the eyes.
01:00:18
Speaker
the eyes or the mouth. My husband had a mouth surgery to split his palate to do braces. He needed his palate widened. And the surgeon was like, do you want to watch? And I said, you know what, if it was any other kind of surgery. Yes. But face surgery where they're like cutting bone and hammer. Nope. Nose jobs can't do it. Anything with the eyes can't do it. Nope. But I'll watch an appendectomy. I'll watch
01:00:47
Speaker
Yeah, once you get your gallbladder out. But you're this kid, we're in the present now and sure, those kids are trying to sneak a peek and now. But they're not allowed down there. And truly comes out and she's. Oh, for good reasons. Oh, my God. You imagine seeing that as a child. Oh, my gosh.
01:01:11
Speaker
Yeah. You're not supposed to be down here, but that will give them a messed up view of death. Yeah. Yeah. But she's like, it's OK to be curious. Ask me any questions. I will be truthful and answer them for you. Yeah. And her older boy was like.
01:01:32
Speaker
What what were you doing to Aunt Shirley? Or not actually, Aunt Nell. Auntie Nell. Yeah. She was like, well, I'm fixing her. I'm making her look presentable and all that kind of stuff. And then her little boy asks, why did Nell die? I can't remember what she said for that. She said, I don't know. She said, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:57
Speaker
I think her little girl asked, like, where do you go after death or something? Or what happens after you die? She said, where is she now? Where's auntie? Where is she now? She's like, I don't know. Yeah.
01:02:09
Speaker
I don't know. And she was honest. She's like, I really don't know. I can give you what I think and everything. But that's going to be a conversation later on. That's something we can talk about later, just not right now. And she's applying makeup to Nell. And this is a very heartbreaking flashback. Oh, my heart.
01:02:30
Speaker
I heard her for a lot of this episode, but this one, especially because she goes back into that room and she's putting makeup on now to make her look better. And it flashes back to now's wedding. And it truly is putting on makeup on her. And I just just that juxtaposition alone, I was like, oh, my goodness, this hurts. This hurts so much. Yeah, I can imagine a sibling going through that.
01:03:01
Speaker
My, my husband asked me in that moment, he said, would you be able to do that for your sister? I said, no, it's, it's customary and appropriate to dress your family member, but the mortician does their job. And I, if I happened to be one, I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that. No.
01:03:33
Speaker
But then then Shirley sees Luke Get out of a cab and she goes out to get him And he's obviously high and he's like, no, I'm level. I'm fine. Like I want to be here for now No, he did not look well
01:03:55
Speaker
and Shirley's like no get out of here here's a hundred bucks you're never gonna get sent out of me again I'm done get out of here this days for now I'm not gonna have you ruin it with all your stuff
01:04:08
Speaker
get out of here. And then she's the one who sends Luke away. Right. And again, I think it's that guilt. The guilt that she felt bad about doing that. Yeah. And then she goes back in and no and.
01:04:26
Speaker
She was like, Oh, no, you look perfect. Or this day is like perfect. And now says almost perfect. Almost perfect. And we know it's because Luke's not there. And Shirley just sent him away. It hurts. It hurts. I understand because, you know, you have to kind of fill in the blanks that they've been dealing with.
01:04:47
Speaker
like his actions have had a lot of consequences in their family for a long time. And at the end of the day, it has to be their choice to get better, right? And at this point, we just have to go on the knowledge of that he's an addict. More comes to light later, but at this point, that's what we're going on. So that's the view that we're gonna take for now. But it takes a toll on a family and the family, you have to let go at some point.
01:05:18
Speaker
You have to.
01:05:26
Speaker
And then we go to the present and Shirley just says, I'm sorry. And again, that it's a whole lot of hurt, whole lot of hurt in this episode. I didn't cry at any point. No, I cried. I teared up like when it was doing the flashback between doing her, um, post-mortem makeup versus her wedding makeup. That was, that was hard. Yeah.
01:05:56
Speaker
But, and then she sees a bug come out of Nell's mouth just like the cat. The same kind of bug. Yeah. Yeah. She realizes she was seeing things and then she just, she breaks down and she just completely lets all of her emotions out and, and weeps over her sister. And it's just heartbreaking. Oh, that sucks.
01:06:24
Speaker
Then we go we flash back to the past and Shirley comes up to see her mom and is just very surprised That's and she just keeps saying oh you fixed her you fixed her and I just love it that She's able to see her loved one as she remembers her At the funeral. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah which like how
01:06:51
Speaker
traumatizing that poor girl. If she's seeing her mother in the casket, she normally looks like and she's saying you fixed her. What did she see? Yeah. What did she I didn't I didn't think about that. Oh, interesting. Okay. Because how would she know that there was something to be fixed? Yeah. Or maybe alludes to she saw something really messed up.
01:07:20
Speaker
Yeah. Or maybe it was something like, like Max was saying, and just like you, you have all these images of her head about what a dead person looks like. And yeah, then you go up and see. So she was speaking from experience. Maybe it could be. I don't know. I didn't think about it like that though. That's interesting.
01:07:47
Speaker
Somebody flash back to the present and Shirley turns off the light in the room and she looks back and she sees her mom on the other table and she slowly sets up. And I remember watching this for the first time. I'm like, Oh, heck no. Absolutely not. Get out of there. Run. I'm running. I'm getting out of there. We're moving. Um,
01:08:14
Speaker
something for you to think about for later episodes is why why is she appearing? Is there something that she's envisioning in her head? Or is this an actual hunting? Just something to think about for right now.
01:08:29
Speaker
But her mom is on the other table. She sits up and she shows her the box, the same box. I'm assuming that they buried the first kitten in and zooms in on it. It's a very loud meow or something. And I can't remember the scene exactly. There might have been a musical sting or something, but I counted that as a jump scare. I'm OK if we can take it off.
01:08:54
Speaker
No, I'm not gonna argue because it was like nothing was happening. It was just sitting on the box and then you hear the loud noise and everything like that. I think maybe the lid moves or something.
01:09:18
Speaker
But then she turns on the light and the mom's gone. And it's just now sitting on the table, laying on the table. And then she closes the door and turns off all the light. And she's going through the house, just turning off all the lights. And in the last shot, we see her going down the hallway, turn off the final light, go to bed, and the forever house is in focus. And we see the porch light flash twice.
01:09:47
Speaker
And that's the end of the episode. The end. I didn't make that connection. Any of the previous times I've watched the show. The porch light. Yeah. And what Liv said previously, it was like when it flashes twice, it's time to come home. It's time to come home. So now is it that Ghost Liv is trying to bring all her kids home? Is that what's going on?
01:10:16
Speaker
Maybe it's really starting to make more sense. That's, yeah, it seems to be the, the message there. Uh, where does, where does Shirley fall for you in this episode? You know, I gave her a seven. Okay. Seven out of 10. I think I put her right at the 7.5. Yeah.
01:10:48
Speaker
Because I didn't like how she handled Luke at the wedding. But I feel like they had really tried with him. I liked her interactions with the kids.
01:11:07
Speaker
I don't know the the screams that you were complaining about when she was a little girl were on track like you would freak out you would scream Yeah, I'm not very vocal in that regard so I don't really scream. As a child I don't think I did either.
01:11:30
Speaker
So like the only thing I didn't like was just how rude she was to Luke at the wedding. But like you have to understand that they've probably been through a lot with him and you don't want to make a wedding about the addict. And I'm not going to go into any detail, but not on my side of the family, but something like similar to that has happened. I wasn't there for it, but heard about it. And it was embarrassing and it was sad and it was,
01:12:02
Speaker
You know, just everything you can imagine that it would be for an addict acting up at a family function. Yeah. Especially a wedding. Especially a wedding. Really is like the one day that bride and the groom can be selfish and be all about that. And then all of a sudden it's about the addict or the family drama or somebody else's feelings, you know. So I understand her take on that, but like
01:12:34
Speaker
I don't know, I just kind of was a little sour about how she spoke to him. Yeah, right there. So it is just very sad because he wasn't able to be at her wedding. Right. And she didn't understand that he showed up and like, was made to go away. So I felt bad for her. Yeah. With that. But I did like they ever got to tell now that he did show up and they send him away. I don't think
01:13:04
Speaker
No, I don't think so. And I think that's, you know, like I said before, why she was trying so hard to get him there for the funeral. Yeah. She's trying to rectify that for sure. I did like all the little details in the episode that obviously led to her future career, you know, doing the eulogy for the kitten and things like that. And then her own mom's funeral, seeing how the
01:13:27
Speaker
the mortician funeral director made her mom look like her mom again so I think she you know saw that as like um I don't know what word I wanted to use but like you know kind of like a not a hero but definitely like it was a comfort for her to see her mom yeah look like herself and kind of like she said erase like cover up those bad memories
01:13:54
Speaker
And have that be your fresh, you know, lasting memory of your loved one. That's a, it's a good way of dealing with death and just moving on from it and accepting it. Yeah. We don't like to think about it, but like it said in the episode a few times, it's part of life. It's the most, one of the most natural things. So, um, what do you, what do you like about the episode? What did you dislike?
01:14:29
Speaker
It was kind of a quiet episode, if that makes sense. It's hard to keep your attention, but it was quiet in a good way. I was watching my husband the whole time and he was kind of looking at me, looking around the room. He's got ADHD like me, so a slow show that is a slow burn or something that is
01:14:56
Speaker
it is quieter, it's not gonna hold his attention, but I also kind of appreciate shows like that. So I can't count it as like a negative because like, I don't know how to explain it, but like if it's deep, which I think this episode was, and quiet, I don't know. Why don't you say what you liked and didn't like while I actually get my thoughts together?
01:15:28
Speaker
I really, I really liked. Olivia's.
01:15:36
Speaker
comments during the kitten funeral about stories and that's that's why we are in the end and yeah we turn into stories when we die and everything like that and it just makes me think about family members sitting around a table eating and drinking and laughing and at stories of a past family member and all the fun things that they remember about the person and everything and it's
01:16:03
Speaker
it's just bittersweet just remembering all those moments and being happy they got to be part of it and just being able to tell those stories and and moving on right I love that me too didn't like truly screaming but that's a very minor thing well if you have a daughter get ready
01:16:27
Speaker
Because that can happen a lot. Yeah. I don't think there's anything I just outright did not like. Same. Like it like I said at the beginning, I appreciate this episode for the story that needs to be told in it. But that's about it. Like it wasn't.
01:16:53
Speaker
I'm having a hard time expressing my thoughts. But no, it's I understand. It's it's just very methodical. There wasn't a whole lot currently happening. It was a lot of flashbacks and a lot of a lot of back and forth like exposition. It was I think it was well written exhibition. I agree. They did it in a way that was not lazy, which is very nice. I appreciate that. Yes. But
01:17:22
Speaker
there wasn't too much happening in the moment. And besides just getting null. It's like a leading up episode. You have to understand these things before we move on to other things. You get to understand Shirley a lot. And I think like we talked about before, the older siblings didn't go through as much paranormal trauma in the house that the younger three did. As far as we know, like we don't know what Theo's been through.
01:17:51
Speaker
But we can tell by context that Nell and Luke have been through it. Like they had some experiences that were really scary that we'll learn about later.
01:18:08
Speaker
cool thing about or in comparison to later episodes like one with the storm or that there's a lot that happens in that episode and currently in the present compared to this one and I think all of these episodes in the beginning that are going through the different siblings because they do it in age order because first we had Steven Shirley Theo
01:18:33
Speaker
And Luke and now it is going to be a lot of backstory on these characters because it's very one character driven for the episode. Just we learn more about them. So there is going to be flashbacks and it is going to be exposition. But again, I'm not mad about it. The exposition is done. The exhibition is done well. And we are still slowly moving the plot forward presently as far as like
01:19:01
Speaker
It really does speed up later. The presentation and production value of the episode itself, I have no complaints. Yeah, it was done. It was done. Well, writing was good. Directing was good. Visual was good. Everything was done very, very well. So I when I, you know. Have any critiques, it's not about. That itself. Yeah. Um.
01:19:30
Speaker
That being said, since this was a Shirley episode, we get a little bit of character development. We got to see
01:19:39
Speaker
her introduction to death as a child and how it impacted her and how it shaped her first with the kittens and I think introducing the concept of death and that things die and it's okay it's okay that they do and you have to move on from it to her mom's funeral where she didn't want to see her mom at all but she
01:20:05
Speaker
was very surprised and had, I'm assuming, an overwhelming feeling of comfort and just happiness being able to see her mom normal. And it affected her so much that she chose that as a career and is now doing that for other people. And you see that she really cares about her job because she takes your time to explain it to Max. She takes your time to explain it to her kids. She has very adult conversations with her kids.
01:20:33
Speaker
But at the same time, sets of boundaries. It's like you cannot look at that right now. That's not something for people to see. I'll answer your questions as best I can, when I can. But that is something you cannot see right now.
01:20:51
Speaker
She is protective now. She was protective of now during her wedding. She was doing her makeup for her. She was being an older sister. And she did send Luke away because she wanted this day to be about now, but it still sucked. And maybe there could have been a better version was just breaking for Luke. Yeah, like the situation was what it was. It just made me really, really sad for him because I feel like he was trying
01:21:23
Speaker
Yeah, he was trying to be there, even if he messed up. Yeah, he did not look well. No, he looked rough. She also like stood up to Steven. I was like, I told you to go to her. And he's like, I just go get your brother and go get your dad and come here. That's all I'm asking you to do. Stop being a child and complain about things. Yeah. So I really appreciate that from her and not taking
01:21:51
Speaker
Steven's crap.
01:21:58
Speaker
She does feel a little closed off, not as much as Theo, but I'm I'm sure that's just kind of like way of coping right now. We do see a breakdown and just become overwhelmed by everything when she's when she's dealing with now.
Reflections and Humorous Insights
01:22:14
Speaker
But she does have a lot of guilt on her and a lot of sadness. And hopefully we will get to see how that's resolved. And if she forgives herself.
01:22:23
Speaker
Well, she did have to take on the role of her mom after she had died. So she had to grow up really fast too. So you would lose a lot of patience for people. Like you have to be the one that's like now parentified, which is never fair, especially with stupid boys.
01:22:46
Speaker
Because, you know, her older brother probably got like a pass while she was expected to kind of step up and take care of the little ones. How much responsibility did Stephen actually have with helping to care for the little ones? Or was it all deferred to Shirley? Yeah. Because that happens.
01:23:04
Speaker
But we don't really get any other character development with anybody else. It's really focused on her, this episode. So maybe Steven's episode had a bit of a handicap because it was an introduction to the series. But I think it's because he went through the least amount. Yeah, that's also true.
01:23:31
Speaker
he admits i never saw anything i never went through anything so maybe he blocked something out of his memory or he really didn't go through anything personally yeah but we'll we'll see how it unfolds yeah we'll definitely play out later um but i think i think that's it i don't have anything else are are you ready for kori's comments i'm ready for kori's comments let's go
01:24:00
Speaker
He stayed awake the whole time. Oh, I was not going to let you forget. He stayed awake the whole time. So in the beginning, when it does the first flashback to the house when there were kids, he said, is that the house on the hill?
01:24:30
Speaker
Go on, Cora. I did it completely unironically. It's like, oh, is that the house on the hill? This one.
01:24:48
Speaker
So when they were feeding the kittens, I, it was hard to tell what, if they were just feeding them cow's milk or if they had like a special formula, but it looked like cow's milk. He said, you know, wouldn't that hurt them? And I was like, Oh yeah, it would. That's a good point. Um, cause you cannot give cats, you can give cats like a little bit of milk or cream, but you cannot give kittens cows milk that will hurt them. But I think in this, in the context of the story, it wasn't hurting the kittens, but, um, and then the last one.
01:25:22
Speaker
The last shot as Shirley is going through the mortuary and turning off lights and it shows that through the doorway though the wall with the urns. I think we should have a wall of faces.
01:25:51
Speaker
I see the perfect place to put it right behind you and I said those aren't vases and he's looked at me I said those aren't vases and he goes oh right
01:26:10
Speaker
He just had like, obviously he knows those were urns, but he had like, you know, an ADD moment. Or he's like, oh, that looks really nice displayed like that. I want a wall of faces. That's funny. So that's it for Corey's comments. Thank you, Corey.
01:26:35
Speaker
And I haven't reminded him that I'm recording these comments of his, um, I want to keep things candid as possible. I don't want anything forced cause it's the best when it's just spontaneous. Yep. Yep.
01:26:54
Speaker
So like I don't tell him before we watch, okay, I'm going to write down what you say. Nope. Nope. I did tell him before we started the season that, you know, if you'll watch these with me, I'm going to kind of jot down, you know, your comments and your thoughts. So I'm not being sneaky or anything, but I am taking a little bit of advantage of his.
01:27:15
Speaker
forgetfulness. Yeah, you didn't fully tell him what Oh, I did. No, I did. I said I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna repeat, you know, I'm gonna share what you say about these, but then he probably forgot. Yeah.
01:27:35
Speaker
Well, I think that's all for this episode for today. Next one is going to be Theo's episode. I don't know what it's called, but I'll know when we talk about it. Yep. Well, thank you very much, Laura. Thank you. And thank you to everybody listening. Yes. Thank you to all seven or eight of you. Oh, it's called touch. Episode three is called touch, which makes sense.
01:28:04
Speaker
Oh, if this is the one I'm thinking, like I skipped scenes the first time, so I'm going to try to be brave and watch all of it. You're going to tell me, not now, and tell me what scenes you skipped. No, but I will. Yeah, because I watched it by myself at night the last time. Because there are some really creepy things, if I remember correctly.
01:28:25
Speaker
Yeah.
Creepy Scene Skip and Sign-off
01:28:26
Speaker
There was a scene where I just skipped it. I just flat out the basement. Nope, not even the basement. It was something else. Interesting. Interesting. Well, stay tuned if you want to know what those scenes are. Thank you. All right. We'll catch you guys next week. All right. Bye. This is the most awkward stand out.
01:28:56
Speaker
It's no sign up. Enjoy the ride, folks.