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Episode 2: The Pupil
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Here we have episode 2 of The Haunting of Bly Manor: The Pupil. We get more insight into Miles's days in boarding school, and why he had to come home, but truly we still don't know why. Remember, dead doesn't mean gone. *insert spooky music here*
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Excitement for Rediscovering TV Shows
00:00:24
Speaker
Hey, guys, and welcome back to our show. I am Laura. And I'm Noah. And this is Fans of Flanagan. Noah, how are you doing? I am great. Yeah. Love every time that we get to watch more of these episodes. Me too. I there are so many things that I've forgotten and it's kind of fun rediscovering them because I totally forgot like most of the the big things that happen at the end of the series but all the little hints and there's a lot of like foreshadowing in this episode. So it's like reminding me of all the things that are to come and I'm really excited.
00:01:00
Speaker
Yeah, why watching it the first time on the second rewatch, it e you're able to kind of pick up on more stuff because you know the general end, but because it's been so long for me, I've forgotten something some of those things like you said. Me too. And so there are some questions in here like, what's going on with the little boy, Miles? What's what's that all about? And then I remember Like the key conversation that comes later in the season, I think. And so we got a little bit of that. It's like, Oh, wait, wait a minute. What is that? What is that about? So it's fun. It's fun.
00:01:39
Speaker
It's really fun seeing all the little things that I completely missed the first time. um Any he shows that you're watching you want to recommend? What have you been watching? Movies?
Gladiator Sequel Anticipation
00:01:50
Speaker
I've i've been really badly. the I haven't really been watching too much of anything crazy. I showed Jack the Gladiator. Gladiator.
00:02:01
Speaker
Um, the original one. Oh, cause she hadn't seen it. Another one coming out. Is it legit? Like a sequel? This new one? I i think, yeah, it's, it's a glad eater too. I don't know what the time relation is to the first one, but, um, I think it comes out next weekend. Okay. It's really like that. So I'm excited for it.
Diving into House of Cards and Rhythm of War
00:02:28
Speaker
What else have we watched?
00:02:30
Speaker
Um, I started showing her house of cards. That's a, that's a older show,
00:02:39
Speaker
but with everything happening lately with the with politics and everything and her being a history teacher and, or X history teacher, I was like, maybe she would enjoy this. So I was like, if you don't like the first episode, we don't have to watch it, but I just want to know what you think. And she likes it. So we've been, we've been doing that, but I am.
00:03:01
Speaker
maybe about less than 50 pages away from being done with Rhythm of War. oh You've officially caught up to me and a exceeded my progress. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you.
Audiobooks vs. Reading Debate
00:03:18
Speaker
um i I've just got to get ready for written truth, which is only a couple of more weeks if you think about it. I know. I already pre-ordered it on Audible because I'm like, I don't know who I'm kidding. If I get myself like the ebook or the hard copy, it's just going to sit there.
00:03:35
Speaker
So I'm debating if I want to listen to the one that you're reading right now.
00:03:44
Speaker
I don't know. I have to decide. I'm still in denial that I will yeah read it like with my eyeballs and not listen to it. Not that there's anything wrong with listening to it, but there's something enjoyable about like reading it, you know. No, I get it. there There are some parts in this book where they get scientific like really signed it feels really scientific. And so I think maybe parts of those can be good to listen to because sometimes you can just kind of have someone else read it for you. say don't to But then there are the there other parts where
00:04:23
Speaker
I'll go for walks, maybe an hour walk a day, total. And I'll listen to the audiobook while I'm doing it. And I notice my mind to start thinking about other things while I'm in the middle of it. I'm like, wait a minute, what did I just listen to? so That's such a lie I've fallen under. um But either way, I think but what is is good for this one. Yeah.
00:04:50
Speaker
it's just ah the there's I wish I could talk to you about it because there's stuff that happens at the end that makes me upset, but it's all right. No, you can't talk to me about it. I apologize sincerely. That's all right. yeah Let me see, because I haven't really been watching anything.
00:05:15
Speaker
two noteworthy
Exploring Apple TV Shows
00:05:16
Speaker
except for one show that I'm kind of slowly going through. I think I've only watched two episodes and each episode is pretty short. It's like 17, 20-ish minutes long. um But there's a podcast channel called Qcode And I've listened to a bunch of their shows. And each one is like really well done. And they usually have some big names. um Oh, there's a new one. I'm going to have to save this while I see it. But they did one called um The Edge of Sleep.
00:06:01
Speaker
And it's a fictional story. It's like a dramaticized telling. um And they're going to do a season two. That's awesome. I bring that up because they made it into a show.
00:06:19
Speaker
So if you go to Amazon, I don't. Yeah, it's on Prime. It's done by Amazon Prime. um It's on there. And I can't tell if it's low budget. And they tell me that's disrespectful.
00:06:41
Speaker
But there's just like something about it that makes me think that it's kind of a low budget. I think it's independent. I don't know. I haven't looked into it too much. But then some of the graphics in the second episode were really, really good.
00:06:57
Speaker
So I'm like, it's really confusing, but I've only watched two episodes. Um, the premise is that one day if you fall asleep, you die. Hmm. So everybody that was asleep when this event or whatever like came upon the the planet, um, there's really no explanation for it yet. So I don't know if that's going to be explained when they release season two on the podcast channel.
00:07:26
Speaker
Or if I just don't remember, because it's been a long time since I listened to it, but I just remember it was really good. I really enjoyed the the podcast series. um But everybody that's asleep is dead, and everybody that falls asleep dies. And so there's this small group, there's one guy, the main guy is kind of an insomniac. And when he does sleep, he has really trippy dreams.
00:07:48
Speaker
um
00:07:50
Speaker
But they the whole thing is he and his like small group of friends have to try to stay awake. So I'll leave it at that. But it's so far a better podcast than a show, but I'm not knocking the show. I have to like give it a real a real chance. Like I said, I've only watched two of the episodes so far.
Chat GPT and Bly Manor Analysis
00:08:14
Speaker
OK.
00:08:17
Speaker
I have been considered, this is, has to do nothing with what we were thinking with the show, but I've been considering getting Apple Plus because they're apparently there's a lot of good stuff, not just like some of the names I've heard, but a lot of the stuff is good. Like so ah obviously Severance was on there, Silo as well. And they're both getting a second season, dropping really, really soon.
00:08:45
Speaker
Yeah. And I heard there was another show on there. I can't remember who was in it. um Harrison Ford, I think a show with yeah janet shrinking shrinking that I've heard is really, really good, too. So I'm considering just biting the bullet. You should. And if you have you have an iPhone.
00:09:09
Speaker
So you have an Apple account. They have a bundle. It's like you can just do Apple TV. You can just do that. But if you also like streaming music and and like having games on your phone, you can do like a bundle with all three. I think it's like $18 a month. Do you use Spotify or do you use Apple? I use Apple. I don't use Spotify.
00:09:37
Speaker
OK, because I've there's some stuff I've heard about like Spotify of how one, the audio quality isn't as good as Apple Apple has really, really high standards for everything that they put on their platform. Well, I don't know if platform is the right word, but I've used Apple Music for a long time now. OK, so i've I've considered making the switch, especially when it comes to the algorithm that Spotify has for for shuffling and randomizing. it It just feels like the same songs get played over and over. And a lot of people have made that note about Apple. Sorry, it's Spotify. So I've considered just making the jump over. Yeah, I recommend it.
00:10:27
Speaker
um I think if you get Apple TV and Apple music Music, it costs the same as if you got that bundle of all three. So I kind of have Apple Arcade on there. it It feels like it's free, but you know what I mean? I have no complaints. There's a lot of good stuff on Apple TV, Ted Lasso. awesome I didn't really get into that too much. um There's a really weird one. Oh, the Wolf Like Me, that one was really good.
00:10:56
Speaker
It was weird, but it's good. But I like that Apple TV has a lot of stuff that's really well done. And it's a little weird, like a little out there, but I like that because it's different where a lot of other like mainstream producing companies are, you know, are kind of still keeping it safe.
00:11:15
Speaker
Um, they're really kind of exploring a lot of different things. There is an M Night Shyamalan, uh, series called servant. I only watched the first season. It was a little triggering for me being a parent, but it was weird enough that I liked it. Um, a little, I don't want to say it was a little too weird because I was kind of like, what are they trying to do? But.
00:11:43
Speaker
ah That one is best to go in cold. So I'm not going to tell you anything about that. Should you decide to watch it? Okay. the Foundation with Lee Pace. That is a great show. I really do like Lee Pace. Yeah.
00:11:58
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um
00:12:01
Speaker
But yeah, so far my favorite shows on there are Severance and Silo. um loot with Maya Rudolph started off good I kind of quit and then yeah shrinking with um Harrison Ford is on there and then there's a movie with Brad Pitt called Wolf yeah and tro clooney Yeah. Yeah. OK, I told you before we started recording that I was on a TV set yesterday. And this was actually I didn't realize because they've been working with different titles. So the first time I did background, it it was a completely different working title. And so then when I submitted to do this one, I didn't realize it was part of the same series or that it was a series. I just thought it was another like Hallmark type movie.
00:12:58
Speaker
Um, but the main actor in it, I can't remember his name. He's done a lot of stunt work in Hollywood and he was one of the stunt men, I think in Wolf with Brad Pitt and George Clooney. Okay. Um, let me find his name just so I can like, not sound like I'm talking out of my butt. Chris Reed. Okay.
00:13:26
Speaker
Yeah. And I don't think the show is on his IMDB yet, but, and I don't know what the title is going to be called. And generally they don't really like people talking about what things are until it's kind of either been announced or it's been released. So, but now I want to watch that movie on Apple. I've heard it. It's fun. Um, the, the.
00:13:52
Speaker
back and forth that Brad Pitt and George Colini have is always fun to watch. Yeah. So. I really love that duo coming together like again. Since like the Oceans 11. Those are fun movies as we're good. Really fun movies. Yeah. I always enjoy that movie. The sequels are. Are good to like Oceans 12 was good.
00:14:25
Speaker
But yeah, let me know when you when you bite the bullet and get Apple. I will. Apple TV. I know I'm not going to be able to quit Netflix for some time because all of it the Flanagan stuff is on there. But I honestly don't know if I want to keep with a Netflix subscription just because I feel like I'm not. there There's a lot of stuff on there, but it's not interesting stuff to me. I don't know.
00:14:52
Speaker
Yeah, my kids watch a lot of Netflix. I think that's that and the Flanagan shows are really what's letting me also stranger things. Yeah. Next season of that and probably another couple of series that are still really they've had a couple of hit shows and and stuff that I can't think about.
00:15:18
Speaker
Yeah. yeah I mean, there there's like some interesting stuff, but nothing crazy. Anyway, go ahead. Yeah. I seem to like just kind of browse a lot. It seemed, it goes between having like a number of things I want to watch to nothing and kind of back and forth. So yeah. Yeah.
00:15:40
Speaker
So last time I don't know if I talked about this on air about taking notes while watching the episode, you know, cause when I was doing midnight club, I was handwriting everything oh yeah and I hated it.
00:16:02
Speaker
So then last time I was like, Oh, I can just do voice notes on my phone. It was great. And, uh, this time I was like, why don't I just have like chat GPT do it for me? Oh, that's smart. See how that goes. I thought so. Would you like to hear how chat GPT broke down episode two of Bly Manor?
00:16:25
Speaker
wait Wait, wait, hold on. So you had chat GPT take notes for you and about the episode. Okay. Okay. I'll tell, us I'll read you my prompt. I'll read you my prompt.
00:16:41
Speaker
If I can find it. Oh, I don't think it saved it.
00:16:49
Speaker
shoot the last time i opened it it was there it had saved my prompt and the result um i gotta let my dog out hold on because at first i thought you were just saying that you're you're using chat gpt to like summarize your own notes or like compile your own notes or something like that. But oh, no, I said, I said, if I can remember it, right. um Please give me you always say please to the to the ai you always have to you always say please. un I said, please give me a detailed breakdown of episode two of The Haunting of Bly Manor with a humorous tone.
00:17:40
Speaker
Okay. And this is what it gave me. So I did this before I watched it. and I watched it on a few days ago with Corey. And then I went back and read it and I was like, Hey, it did not do a good job.
00:18:00
Speaker
Okay, it says, in episode two of The Haunting of Bly Manor titled The Pupil, things take a deep dive into creepy and occasionally awkward territory as our cheerful but slightly clueless all-pair Danny starts seeing mysterious apparitions. You'd think she'd have enough on her plate with the strange kids, the house that's suspiciously shadowy and a housekeeper who looks like she's had one cup of tea too many, but no Bly Manor has its own plans.
00:18:28
Speaker
it did do the funny part correct it's it The episode opens with Dani, fresh from her night terrors, about a faceless man with glowing eyes, charming, right? This guy likes to pop up every now and then to remind her that she can't just flee her past trauma by moving to the middle of nowhere. The Dani is determined in a ignore the weird pretend it's fine kind of way. Meanwhile, the kids, Flora and Miles, continue their game of adorable but unsettling. Flora politely warns Dani not to leave her room at night, which is kid code for something deeply spooky lurks in these halls.
00:19:03
Speaker
So it kind of is bringing in elements from like other episodes, you know, instead of just kind of giving me the breakdown I wanted from this episode, but that's okay, chat GPT, I'm happy.
00:19:14
Speaker
In the background, we get some fun with Uncle Henry, the children's wealthy but distant guardian who's really into ignoring responsibilities and tossing money at problems. He's not quite sure what's going on at Bly, but he's happy as long as someone else is handling the supernatural issues, you know, like a regular emotionally detached uncle.
00:19:35
Speaker
It even added like parentheses.
00:19:42
Speaker
one One of the episode's main plot line dives into the curious history of young Miles who has been sent home from boarding school for, let's just say, troubling behavior. Flashbacks reveal that Miles tried his hand at a variety of questionable hobbies, climbing trees, sneaking into restricted areas, and oh, getting expelled for behavior that's creepy even by horror story standards. His explanation, he says it's because he wants to be closer to his sister. Totally normal behavior for a loving brother, right?
00:20:16
Speaker
and Honestly, it's not bad. Oh, it's funny, but it's like, it's it's kind of not as detailed as I wanted. And it's pulling in elements from like other episodes, you know, like we don't see, they mentioned the uncle, but we don't see the uncle. Right. Yeah.
00:20:32
Speaker
the Anyway, let me just move on. The episode ends with Dani getting a bit too cozy with her surroundings and starting to settle in despite the whole haunted manner with sketchy kids and ghosts, which that's not how the episode ends, but anyway.
00:20:47
Speaker
But just when you think she's starting to find her rhythm, you remember, oh, right, we've got eight more episodes of ghostly drama. And so the cliffhangers continue. With Danny left in the ever charming, super creepy world of Bly Manor where everyone has a secret and nobody likes to tell her the truth. In summary, episode two is a cocktail of mysterious backstory, unsettling family dynamics, and a dash of classic horror tropes served with a garnish of why doesn't any anyone just leave?
00:21:20
Speaker
That's good. I like that. Yeah, it leaves out a lot. It does, which is why I still had to do my own notes, but that's OK. But it also leaves room like maybe ah maybe a little bit more room for analysis, too, which is nice. Yeah. It doesn't go into any of the little foreshadowing clues like with
00:21:48
Speaker
With Mrs. Gross, the housekeeper. He forgetting her first name is it like Hannah. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's Hannah. She doesn't look like a Hannah. She doesn't have Hannah energy. It's not a bad thing. I got to let my dog in. Sorry. I'm doing.
00:22:18
Speaker
So if you're ready, we can get into. I'm ready to go. My breakdown.
00:22:28
Speaker
So this episode opens
Miles' Character Deep Dive
00:22:31
Speaker
with Mrs. Hannah Gross mopping up the muddy footprints and the narrator explaining that it's a common occurrence. Next we see Danny talking to the children about their behavior of the night before when they were locking her in the closet. Flora picks up the white-faced doll and Miles grabs it, runs away with it, and throws it down the trash chute.
00:22:51
Speaker
As a consequence for the night before, Danny assigns Miles to mopping the mud. Meanwhile, Flora and Danny head to the cellar to get the doll back. Flora refuses to go, and Danny goes alone. In the cellar, the white-faced doll is standing up in the middle of the room.
00:23:15
Speaker
I watched that. I was like, oh my gosh. That was so creepy.
00:23:20
Speaker
How to land so perfectly.
00:23:26
Speaker
As Danny walks away, we can see almost a whole wall full of dolls. She turns the light off off screen and goes back up the stairs and we hear the door close in the dark. Did you see it?
00:23:41
Speaker
what am i in the pile of dolls. Okay. Oh, are you talking about the you see oh yeah yeah something like sit up or moves in the pile? I was like, why is the doll moving? Why is it moving? You don't have an explanation. I completely forgot about it and I'm watching it and I was like, it moved. And Cory was like, what? And I said, something moved in the pile. You didn't see it. And he goes, no. And so I went back and we watched it again and he was like, oh my gosh.
00:24:14
Speaker
We get a flashback of Miles in school. It looks to be a private Catholic boarding school. Their teacher, Father Stack, is going over the lesson of Jesus casting the demons from the man into the pigs. Miles asks if the demons need permission to enter the pigs.
00:24:32
Speaker
Then did they need, oh, he said, sorry. Miles asks if the demons needed permission to enter the pigs, then did they need permission to enter the man? The teacher explains that we are tempted and never compelled. So yes, the demons would have needed permission. And I bring up that line because he throws it back at the teacher later. No, I i think this is a um ah really great dialogue here because i'm I'm trying to understand everything that we're being shown in all of the lines of dialogue. Because if we're listening to something, it means it's important to the story in some ways. Either it's expanding um the plot line, it's um
00:25:17
Speaker
creating character, it's defining a character, or something else. And so i always um I'm trying to be better about figuring out why we're being shown something or why this piece of dialogue was written. And so I felt like there was a lot of lot to break down.
00:25:33
Speaker
in this piece, one, the the whole, the obvious swine, the demons going into the swine and everything, which we can get into what that means about some of the stuff that we've seen. Um, but also he, there was a line about, was it three, the three different golf gospels had the same story, but just from different perspectives. And there was a couple of things differently. So, um,
00:26:05
Speaker
maybe that's like a lesson in research about of like digging in history or something like um looking for truth is if there's something that's continuous across different records, then maybe that's the truth. And who knows what all the little differences and and details are, if they're if they're true or not. Anyway, that's something that I pulled from it. I don't know how that really relates to the story at all. um But I thought that was interesting as well. Yeah. No, I
00:26:43
Speaker
what I really like about this kind of storytelling, or I don't know, it's probably happened in a lot of other shows and movies, but I think as we've been breaking down these episodes, it's helped me be a better audience in paying attention to all the little clues and foreshadowing in not just these shows, but I think other shows. I've really adapted my my way of of watching and understanding the story
00:27:14
Speaker
And it's it's really made for a really ah better experience sometimes. I feel most smartest when I can do that. um
00:27:27
Speaker
And I like that you brought up their conversation where he was asking, where they were kind of like the kids were kind of asking, like, why is it different between these three gospels? And he was like, well, they're written by man, man's not perfect, essentially. And you can see Miles is like really like locking in on these things that the Father Stack is is explaining. And I really liked that character. Yeah, me too.
00:27:54
Speaker
The actor, his delivery, like everything. I really enjoyed it. There was a whole bunch about that. It was sort of a lecture, but the Myles was doing a good job of asking questions. And do like, do the demons need permission to enter the pigs, but do they need permission to enter us? And then to the father was like, that's a great question. Let's go into that. We are all free to make our own decisions. Evil exists and we are tempted, but not compelled. not compelled
00:28:26
Speaker
and Obviously, it's very important to Miles, but it's going to be interesting to see how we can apply that to different characters as we continue to go through the story. Oh, I'm going to I'm going to remember that.
00:28:44
Speaker
So Miles gets a letter from his sister. And after a little more of a heart-to-heart discussion between Father Stack and Miles after class had finished, he tells Miles to read John 1622. Did you also look it up? I paused the show and looked it up. I have it. Yeah, I have it cued right now. And then you read it. I was like, oh, so I did that for nothing.
00:29:09
Speaker
anyway So Myles reads it and the verse 22 says, and ye now therefore have sorrow, but I will see you again and your heart shall rejoice and your joy, no man taketh from you. And so he brings up like later about seeing them again, or who comes back and who doesn't come back.
00:29:34
Speaker
So you can see like the little wheels, not little, you like you can see his brain working through all of these little things. And we don't know all of the context in which he's thinking about these things, but he's applying them to his experiences, which we i don't know all of that yet.
00:29:52
Speaker
all we know so far is that his parents are have died and that their last au pair died. And so everybody's looking at Miles through this through this filter of he's a grieving child, but there may be more to what he's been through. Okay, later outside, Miles is climbing a very mossy tree and Cory was like, ah that's real slippery. He should be careful.
00:30:23
Speaker
Uh, Miles then falls out of the tree, seemingly on purpose. At bedtime, it looks like he's broken his arm, it's in a sling, and he's kind of limping his bunk mate, and I don't know the character's name of his, like, little BFF that gives him the bottom bunk. It began, yeah, it began with an H, but I can't remember either.
00:30:39
Speaker
Yeah, they all like refer to each other by their last name. That's cute. his So his friend asks him why he did it and he mumbled something about wanting to find the key and then says he fell that it was an accident. His friend tells him that like he'll be there for, I thought that moment was so cute. It was really sweet. He's like, hey, I'm here for you.
00:31:08
Speaker
No, it's just funny that he that the friend says that and he's being a nice person and then yeah later on he's choking him out. Right. The next scene is there's a fight and it's Miles and his friend. It's seeming like it's, I think it's supposed to be like his best friend at school.
00:31:26
Speaker
Um, so there's a fight between when he's like, yeah, one arm choking him out. Um, and he admits to starting the fight. He doesn't say why a father stack tries to have another heart to heart to connect with miles, but miles seems distant. They talk about death and how his parents don't get to come back. And then Miles asks, why is it only the bad ones that get to come back?
00:31:52
Speaker
which connects with something he says later. Creepy. Later, Father Stack is alone in the chapel area and finds his pet dove dead. Father Stack and the headmaster asking him to apologize for the dove. The headmaster is very upset and says that the bird is dead and that Miles and then Miles says dead doesn't mean gone. And I'm sorry. He didn't do worse. Dead doesn't mean gone. The good ones don't get to come back.
00:32:26
Speaker
So that definitely brings some more context into what's going on with him and how he's viewing everything. And I thought I had clocked him. I thought, I know this is my second watch where I've seen the show before, so I should know what's going on. But there are some things that are still confusing and and things that I'm picking up on. So between the first episode and parts of this one, it feels like everything he's doing is for a reason. He seems a lot older for his age.
00:32:59
Speaker
he's making He's making these smart decisions. He knows that if he gets kicked out of school, that means he goes home and he can be there for Flora because she's like, hey, come home. And he's like, all right, bet. So he's doing all this stuff to go home. And then. Not just go home, but never go back like he's ceiling a deal. Yeah. Yeah. And then and him and Flora in the first episode purposefully locked um Oh, I forgot her name, but locked her in the closet. Danny in the closet. They they said it was an accident, but we we know is for a reason. And I. I it's probably because to keep her out of the path of that weird lady that made the footprints. But then we don't know who made the footprints yet. but Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought I had clocked him as someone who is is a guardian and he's looking out for these people.
00:33:54
Speaker
But then he's doing some really weird stuff that just makes me think, what is it going on with him? And i'll we we'll get to that later, but yeah.
00:34:05
Speaker
Yep. So Myles then gets kicked out of school. And afterward, his friend finds the letter that his sister sent on that first day. And it's a picture of, I don't know, it just looks like it's supposed to be their family. But I think there's more to that. But it says come home at the top.
00:34:26
Speaker
Back to the present, they're cleaning their rooms in the kitchen. Hannah is staring at the wall and sees cracks in the tile in a very specific pattern that we will see again. if I'm remembering that right. Next, the kids are all gardening.
00:34:47
Speaker
What? My voice notes are not computing. The kids are doing the gardening and the gardener, Jamie, and Mrs. Gross sit by and watch. Owen brings out drinks. It's gin and tonic. Mrs. Gross mentions the crack near the ceiling to the gardener and asks her to have a look. The gardener's name is Jamie. Yep. It's hard to keep track of them. I'm just like, I know them by their jobs.
00:35:15
Speaker
ah Does that make me a bad person? No. The staff. The help. The help. Oh, no.
00:35:34
Speaker
Next inside, Flora has cleaned her room. Oh, no. Excuse me. Did I skip?
00:35:48
Speaker
Did I skip anything?
00:35:54
Speaker
I don't know i mean where they were cleaning their own rooms. Right. Yeah. And they they were both really clean and Dan was like, good job. I just don't remember going over that part, but that's OK. Oh, yeah, they clean their rooms and then they're in the garden. Yep. Sorry.
00:36:17
Speaker
Okay. So back inside Flora has cleaned Danny's room and she's wearing the round glasses and it makes Danny really upset when she kind of goes outside and has like a panic attack. But Jamie interrupts her panic attack and like is nice about calming her down. I would probably be like, can I just have my feelings? ah That's something I was going to ask you. I was like, it felt kind of in, in very intrusive. I was like, Hey, just let me have my panic attack. Let me freak out for a moment. I'll be okay. A little upset. Like I can't, I can't have my panic attack now. Cause she held it in and until she got outside to a point where she thought she was alone. And then she started, she started
00:37:10
Speaker
And then the gardener comes around and she's like, Oh, I have to bottle this up again. And I don't, this is going to be really gross in TMI. But guys know that once you start peeing, you can't stop. You can't stop it. So I feel like this is probably do some pelvic floor exercises, honestly.
00:37:36
Speaker
I don't know like how how it's different, but for guys, like once you once you start, there's no you can't stop it. Okay. Noted. So I was like, ah crazying me ah creating her having to bottle up this panic attack again after she started letting it out as a guy trying to stop his pee. We could have used so many other analogies.
00:38:07
Speaker
But that's okay. I appreciate your honesty.
00:38:14
Speaker
And we're going to lose all two of her viewers. But that's all I was thinking. It's like, how hard is it for her to have to like stop mid panic attack again and like bottle it all back? I don't want to make it a gender thing.
00:38:35
Speaker
because I think some of those things are a little exaggerated, but girls but and then women are kind of taught to get control of yourself. a second And I know it affects boys and men too. Like, you know, you feel like you can't ever cry or show vulnerability, but then there's also a stigma of women being too emotional. Um,
00:39:03
Speaker
So we're kind of conditioned very early on, especially if you were raised in the 70s and 80s by a certain generation of parents, respectfully. um Emotions are not a good thing. So I think that's probably on track with the character of Danny just shoving it down deep again.
00:39:29
Speaker
But I do think that Jamie did a good job of really helping her feel better in that moment. And that was the redeeming moment in that scene for me. Yeah, absolutely. That's that's where I ended to at the end of that exchange is, oh, OK, it actually helped. She did help her out.
00:39:49
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Yeah.
Horror Elements and Ghostly Games
00:39:50
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So Jamie then goes to the kitchen to find the crack that Hannah was talking about, but cannot see it. um Miles is walking by and they have a little exchange and Miles ends that with, have a good afternoon, Jamie darling. And she was like, what the heck? She's a cool child, talks like that. So keep that in your bank of weird things.
00:40:20
Speaker
In the bathroom, Dani sees the reflection again of the shadow man with the glasses, and she gets really scared later, probably because she couldn't process her feelings a little bit before. That's OK. Later in the kitchen, the kids are helping to make and prepare dinner. The phone rings, and again, there's nobody there. Miles asks to speak to Dani alone and hands her flowers and kind of makes an inappropriate advance.
00:40:48
Speaker
whispers in her ear and tucks her hair behind her ear and she was like huh what are you doing and it seems very much too mature for his age. In the garden Jamie is upset to see that Miles took the flowers from her garden and there's a lot of them cut and kind of strewn about the ground. It's bedtime now and Danny decides to play hide and seek with the children as a reward for working hard all day. All the lights are off Like we're already in a scary house and now the children are hiding and you're going to turn the lights off.
00:41:27
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That's a choice.
00:41:32
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Danny is counting and the children are hiding. Flora seems to go upstairs to, I think, the attic. There's a lot of the things up there and it's dusty. And she kind of hides behind a chest. Danny goes looking for the children. When she's looking in the classroom, something tall and dark walks past behind her in the hallway.
00:41:52
Speaker
She makes her way into the closed wing of the house and sees a family picture. There's a noise and music as if from a music box, and it lures her further into the wing. Upstairs, Flora is humming the same song as the music box. And something behind her is starting to get up. It's moaning, trying to sing along.
00:42:18
Speaker
and starts moving towards Flora. She turns around, shushes it, and it lays back down. Like the dog whisperer just... I thought that was so funny. She dog whispered the ghost. It was really funny. And if you noticed, it had no face.
00:42:41
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It was mostly out of focus, but yep, I did notice it had no face and it was in a red dress and the doll has no face.
00:42:51
Speaker
suddenly Miles comes to Danny from behind and says it's her turn to hide and then starts squeezing her neck to the point where she's telling him to stop and then he runs away as she's looking for the children she starts turning on lights and she's telling them the game is over she moves toward a side window to maybe look behind the curtain no one is there behind her in the window is Luke's face just kidding he's not Luke in the scene but
00:43:22
Speaker
and And the man is like appearing like an apparition like slowly coming into focus like he's kind of floating from outside close to the window. It's the same man from the parapet.
00:43:36
Speaker
Like a crazy person, she grabs a fire poker, runs outside to confront the creepy ghost man. Through the window from the inside, Miles says he doesn't feel so good and collapses. Danny goes inside and is tending to Miles, and then the man is back in the window, this time only Miles is noticing him. And it's smiling. The end. I wrote that. I wrote the end. The end. No explanation, just the end.
00:44:06
Speaker
The end. However, um I hope this is not like. If you're but listening to our podcast and haven't watched the show, I don't know why you are. but um So I don't mean this to be spoilers for any further episodes, but as someone who can't really remember what specific details and um sort of what happens later on in the show.
00:44:38
Speaker
putting together everything that happened in this episode, the sort of lesson that Miles has earlier, all the stuff he says about that doesn't mean gone. And why, why do all the bad ones come back? Um, and just like the talk of needing permission to enter, like demons needing permission to enter a body.
00:45:02
Speaker
is Miles possessed by a man by this man that we're seeing in the window and that's that's sort of where my head went Because there's so many conflicting characteristics in him That nothing else to me makes sense right now because he he he seems like he's a lot of his actions he's doing are to protect his sister mainly and like to get back to her um and in the first episode to protect Danny but at the same time he is doing things that seem way beyond his age range like like the tuck in the hair behind the back and the whispering in the ear and then like choking Danny out like maybe he had some sort of
00:45:50
Speaker
so some sort of supernatural strength. I know kids can be like freakishly strong sometimes. Kids can be weirdly strong. Yeah. But at the same time, like if you feel like your life is being threatened as you should have more power technically than than a child. Well, as a man, you have that like that kind of ah yeah hesitation because you don't want to hurt the kid. Yeah.
00:46:17
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and so
00:46:20
Speaker
But you don't use your full strength on the kid, which is probably why they seem like so strong because you're moving with the I don't want to hurt them because I am bigger and they're moving with. Let's see what I can do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. And then the whole thing of him being like, oh, I don't feel good. Everything like that. I just I feel like there's too much conflict of character and things that don't. Add up. I think that's a good.
00:46:51
Speaker
I think that's a ah pretty... Sorry, I got lost. That, those clues put together. That's a that's a conclusion that that it does make sense. So we'll see if it's... And I kind of have some vague recollection that he is possessed and I think it makes sense that they have the talk about possession and permission and being compelled, not being forced.
00:47:21
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Yeah, we're tempted but not compelled. right
00:47:28
Speaker
So we'll see how that, I mean, from the beginning, you know that these kids know more than any anybody else does. But what is it that they know? We don't know. but But I have like some vague memory of him actually being possessed. I just don't remember by who. But I think with the context of this episode, that's a fair that's a fair statement to make. and and Yeah, but I don't think it's too much of a spoiler because it's kind of the conclusion you come to on your own without having seen the rest of it yet. Yeah, but I think I just confuse myself because I i feel like I remember that character actually being real and being
00:48:12
Speaker
like an actual human because there's like issues that arrives later between him and the uncle. I again, my memory is very hazy on the show. So there are some things I remember and some things I don't. The preview on Netflix is with that character driving a car with the other au pair in the back. Yeah. So who he is, I don't remember yet.
Horror Tropes and Movie Parallels
00:48:40
Speaker
Yeah. I actually think that's the next episode. We'll, we get more backstory on him. I think that's what I saw on the data frame. Um, but it's, it's weird that I don't remember a lot of this stuff. I know it's, I just remember like the big parts at the end and that's mostly it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:11
Speaker
maybe Maybe I wasn't paying enough that attention during the whole house. And maybe ah I've tried to become like a better audience member, like you were saying. But I feel like there's a lot more to this show right now. ah Within context, like we're only in episode two, so it's hard to compare the different series right now. But I feel like
00:49:43
Speaker
There's a lot of like ah themes that run deeper, a lot of conversations that have more meaning in this show than Hill House did. I could be completely wrong. I just want to know like kind of what what you felt. I think it's more subtle. You really have to dive in and kind of pick things apart.
00:50:07
Speaker
I think Hill House was great. You know, we don't need to I don't need to reiterate that. But I think most of it was very ah it was louder. Does that make sense? Yeah, it's it was a. A louder show, this one is more it's settler, it's quieter.
00:50:30
Speaker
But it's it's there and it's spooky. But when I remember, I don't remember the spooky, I just remember like
00:50:39
Speaker
I don't know how to explain myself. I'm not doing a good job, but.
00:50:49
Speaker
It's spooky, but it's beautiful. I don't know if that makes sense. Yeah, but that's like I i tend to remember emotions more than. then like what happens. So I remember how the show made me feel in the end. So I don't know if like you were going along the same route. I liked I liked the resolution of the show. I liked that everything was explained. They didn't do the the trope of the horror flip flop where it's like the evil entity is actually good. Like the evil entity in this show was actually evil.
00:51:21
Speaker
You know, okay, you remember the ring? Did you watch that? I never watched that. Shut your mouth. i didn' I didn't think it was that big of a sin. Oh my word. It's just such a classic. Everybody.
00:51:42
Speaker
yeah I was not expecting that reaction. Because who hasn't seen it?
00:51:51
Speaker
You realize who my parents were, right? I know that doesn't explain anything after moved out of the house. I would think that you would watch The Ring before you watch the Gladiator.
00:52:04
Speaker
Anyway, go watch The Ring. I will do my best to go watch that soon. That's my homework. That's your homework. You've seen Sixth Sense though. Yeah, I have.
00:52:20
Speaker
Right, it's not like on par with that because that was like you know up here and the ring is like here but culturally that had a big impact when that came out so I'm really that's why I'm like surprised you hadn't seen it because it's such a horror movie staple it's referenced in so many other things I, my, my watch list and then the movies that I haven't watched tend to be very eclectic. Sometimes I feel like sometimes I, I try to stay away from like the mainstream of like main people. No, I appreciate that. But there's some things that are so mainstream. You just kind of have to experience it. to be yeah society yeah
00:53:05
Speaker
What's funny though is, um, the director is Gore Verbinski, by the way. of the ring. Oh, okay. Um, yeah, I looked at the movie real quick. I know. and i've i've We just went from I haven't seen it to here's the director. Because I was interested. I was like, who did it? Like, yeah, go ahead. And I've seen his movie A Cure for Wellness, but I haven't seen the ring. Yeah.
00:53:35
Speaker
I mean, I'm not like telling you to go watch White Noise, which was a terrible movie.
00:53:42
Speaker
That's what I've heard. I laughed. It was fun because my roommate, at that that's how long ago it was, I had roommates, ah was freaking out. And so I'm just laughing the whole time and I'm like reaching around and like poking her.
00:53:57
Speaker
to scare her more. So that's what made it enjoyable for me. But the movie was terrible. So I'm not like mentioning some like two bit, you know, movie I know, I know. I have heard of the ring, so I don't want you to feel like I haven't heard of it. When you when you see it, you'll be like, oh, I understand. I've seen that reference. I've seen that reference. Like everybody, not everybody, but you know what I mean? Reference is the ring. Yeah, it's not like. You're not going to come out of it, life changed or anything, but. It was it was a good movie for what it was. Yeah.
00:54:39
Speaker
So my point is gone. I'm sorry. I'm just saying sometimes in horror movies and shows like in Hill House, the the bad thing ended up being the good thing. Right. And that was kind of annoying. I understand it in its context and that's fine. I've moved on.
00:55:03
Speaker
But what I appreciated about Blind Manor is that it's straightforward in that way.
00:55:11
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. what we're Alien versus predator. You just spoil the ring for me. So now I know the bat big bad. Not really. No, not really. Not really. Not really. I'll watch it. I promise. Anyway. as one moment Alien versus predator. Did you see that?
00:55:34
Speaker
and yeah I don't know why, but yes, I've seen both exact risk predator and yeah per predator requiem. But that first one, right, where it's like the human and the predator going after alien, right? And then the predator is mortally wounded. And the the human is like sad that he's dying. I'm like,
00:55:52
Speaker
Why does Predator and the human have a bond that makes no sense with how savage the first Predator movie is? How does that make sense? a Predator does not like humans.
00:56:07
Speaker
Why does the Predator need a human woman's help fighting the alien? Anyway. It was so dumb. And then you get into Prey and it's like, how is a human able to take on a Predator?
00:56:22
Speaker
Right? Because they're so just advanced and weird. I just the scene where she's like crying over the dying predator. She said that he's hurt and dying. I was like, this is so stupid. Really trying to kill you a little bit ago. Like he should have just finished her off and then enjoyed the hunt of the alien on his own. That would have been a more enjoyable movie to me.
00:56:47
Speaker
Like if he had pretend, oh, if he had pretended to side with her and then just like all of a sudden just got rid of her and then went on his merry way and got there and like had some epic battle with that, that would have been great. Not that I don't appreciate our tangents, but how are you connecting alien versus predator? Because the bad guy was then, because the bad guy of the predator was then all of a sudden a good guy. That's how.
00:57:17
Speaker
It all connects. It's all a circle. Like the ring. It all connects. Like the ring. Thanks for bringing it home. You're welcome. You're welcome. Now to send it off again. Did you ever watch the movie that I talked about a while ago called The Deliverance?
00:57:44
Speaker
No, what's it on? I'll put it on Netflix because I like, it was after you talked about it. I heard like three or four other sources talking about that movie and that actor. So I was like legit. I was already like hyped up to watch it after you told me. And then that just kind of like, Oh, don't, don't think it's a good movie. It's a funny watch. it like said The actor did like a really good job.
00:58:12
Speaker
Did I? Oh no, deliverance. No, I'm thinking of something completely different. What were you thinking about? I'm not watching deliverance. I never said I would watch deliverance. That's the one with Glenn Close, right? Yeah. Being like gross. No. Yeah. Why would I watch deliverance? Why would I watch that? Because it's like bad. It's kind of funny to watch.
00:58:33
Speaker
That's not for me. What were you talking about? What did you think? There was another movie that she recommended. And then the actor you were like naming off all these other projects he's going to be in, he's kind of like blowing up. But I can't. Oh, Rebel Ridge. Yeah. And that guy? Yeah, that's what I do. Is that when we had Aaron on? Okay.
00:59:00
Speaker
Anyway, that's the one I'm going to watch, not deliverance.
00:59:07
Speaker
I just thought you were talking about laughing during like horror movies and stuff like that. And so I just I didn't want to go see white noise, but my roommates wanted me to go. Anyway, back in the blind manner, this is why you guys watch us, right?
00:59:30
Speaker
Which again, going on a completely crazy different tangent, but it came up some, ah it's on my mind. Horror movies that have come out or suspense through whatever we want to call it the
Thematic Exploration in The Heretic
00:59:42
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heretic. Have you seen trailers on that? No.
00:59:47
Speaker
So, um, Hugh Grant. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. i ate indeed I'm so sorry. yeah Have you seen it? Are you going to see trailers and I've seen people reviewing it and giving it really positive reviews. So I think I will end up watching that one.
01:00:08
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. I, I get a little, I have a hard time when a lot of media puts a specific religion in their story because they tend to get things very wrong for the sake of the story, which I don't like that. Um, there's a lot of Catholicism in midnight bass. It's all about like that. That's like the main point of it. Um, and here in, in blind manner too, but I think.
01:00:39
Speaker
They've done a good job of keeping it on track with what the church and the religion is actually like. And that's what I've heard about that one. Okay. With the two sister missionaries, right? That's the one we're talking about. The yeah heretic where they go to his house and they end up having like these philosophical religious conversations in this horror setting. Yeah.
01:01:01
Speaker
And yeah members that have like watched it and reported back are like, yeah, it's actually pretty true to true to form here. So yeah. um Yeah, it did definitely made me interested um based off of the the religious aspect of it. But then I started hearing good things. And Hugh Grant is always just a lot of fun to watch whatever he's doing.
01:01:25
Speaker
um So I think I think I will go and watch it. So yeah. OK. Have you OK, this is my ah other homework for you eventually, whenever you want to come to it. If you have not watched already, this is even more
Recommendation of Lost and Reflections
01:01:41
Speaker
random. I'm winning the random contest today. Have you ever seen Lost? No.
01:01:50
Speaker
Okay. No, that's fine because that's all very long series. Yeah. A long time ago. um I recommend that one 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. The hold that show had on me. Mm hmm. Other level. I know I started watching the first episode years ago. Yeah.
01:02:14
Speaker
And I don't know why I didn't continue, but it's on Netflix now. They put it back on Netflix. So you don't have to deal with commercials because it's been on Hulu for forever, but it's on Netflix now. So take advantage of that. Oh, you can. Okay. I got so much stuff to watch now.
01:02:39
Speaker
I will try to watch Ring before the next episode so we can talk about it. Yeah, let me know what you think because I'm so fascinated that you hadn't watched that yet. Yeah. Okay, but you have to give me like a good recommendation, not crappy ones. Deliverance. Yeah. Okay.
01:02:59
Speaker
you You tend to watch a lot of of things before I have, or I feel like I don't know. No, I feel like there's a lot of things you've seen that I haven't gotten to. I have a couple. AMC shows that are on my list on Netflix that I that interested interested me, so maybe I'll start one of those and report to you. Yeah, so OK.
01:03:37
Speaker
Well, in summary, it was a great episode with even more foreshadowing and a lot more clues. um Things are probably going to start kind of coming together. And I don't know. I like it when it kind of starts to all add up, but that's probably not until, you know, episode six or seven. Yeah. Yeah. But I like the amount of foreshadowing we already have.
01:04:05
Speaker
what's the what's what's with the boy in the glasses huh what's with that right we'll find out we will find out who's making a mess in the house with those muddy footprints doesn't have common courtesy to clean them up after jeez we will find out yeah that's
01:04:32
Speaker
Hey, I don't know why you thought bringing me along for this would be a good idea.
01:04:41
Speaker
Well, I'm happy I did. Are you that I bring up guys peeing in the middle of the episode? Sure.
01:04:57
Speaker
Maybe I should just stop talking right now. Okay. Bye. Thanks guys. Bye.