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Episode 6: The Jolly Corner
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Here comes our favorite episode of the series so far! Episode 6 is spooky, and beautiful, and of course, Haunting! Listen in as Laura gets a live jump-scare for the 3rd time in a row. Thanks, Noah!!
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Introduction and Curiosity about Episode Title
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Speaker
Guys, welcome back to Fans of Flanagan. I am Laura. And I'm Noah. And we are moving on to episode six. I think it's called the Jolly Corner. um I never figured out in the episode why it's called that, but maybe we can figure that out today while we go through it. I have no idea.
00:00:46
Speaker
I don't remember anything being jolly in this episode and I don't remember any particular corner of note, but maybe it has like a different meaning that I'm not familiar with if it's some sort of slang.
Emotional Impact and Narrative Style
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Speaker
I don't know about you, but this is maybe one of my favorites of the season so far. I know like you really liked the other one um for some reason. Last episode was just this one done really well this episode.
00:01:14
Speaker
I really, it was very well done. It was an excellent episode. um I guess we could rank it better than episode five. ah
00:01:28
Speaker
Well, The Jolly Corner is the title by Henry James, which this whole series is based on the turning of the screw. And so we know that each episode has its own title based on some of his works. I just um haven't figured out why it's named that.
00:01:49
Speaker
But i I really, really enjoyed this episode. It brought out a lot of emotions in me. i
00:01:56
Speaker
got really sad by the end, and we can talk about that. um
00:02:03
Speaker
And I liked how when it while it progressed, it kind of was not too dissimilar from last week's, from the last episode of how Hannah kind of went through things with her memories, just kind of jumping around. But before we jump into that, have you been watching anything interesting or noteworthy?
Comparing Treasure-Hunting Themes
00:02:27
Speaker
Um, no worthy, no. Interesting. Yes. Perfect. There is a newer, I think fairly new, uh, newer series on peacock called Dan Browns, the lost symbol. And if you're familiar with Dan Brown, he did, uh, he wrote books like, uh, the Da Vinci code. Um, I don't know if the next two were books, but angels and demons and angels and demons is, uh, the one that came before the Da Vinci code.
00:02:56
Speaker
and Inferno, I think, are at least three movies that were based on his books. Yeah. um And so this follows a similar vein, which I'm all for. I love the kind of treasure hunting, figuring out clues, stuff like that. I love that. I think it's so much fun. um And this series is Tropy.
00:03:23
Speaker
In that genre. And it's a little cheesy and the some of the acting isn't all there. But still, I had a good time with it. I thought it was entertaining. I really enjoyed the first. Like couple episodes and I felt like it was stagnant a little bit, ah but it was really interesting and had some twists and turns.
00:03:46
Speaker
um I had fun with it. So if you like that kind of stuff, like the but angels and demons and DaVinci code cryptic and looking for symbols and figuring out that kind of stuff, it has a little bit of a national treasure flavor in there with the whole, um, um, Freemasons and DC and all that kind of stuff. So I, I, we just finished it yesterday. Um,
00:04:14
Speaker
Yeah. I want to see what you, if you watch it, if how you feel about the ending, but, but yeah. Okay. I'll put it on my list. Um, I do like those kinds of shows where it is what it is. Yeah. You know, and it's, um,
00:04:31
Speaker
I kind of like the the mystery and the following the clues. um So I will for sure
Watching Movies in Segments
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Speaker
check that out. I was going to compare the Dan Brown books to National Treasure, which that's a fun movie, but I wonder if it's because Nicolas Cage kind of makes it a fun movie. Yeah, yeah, like it's. Yeah.
00:04:50
Speaker
It can't be, you know, it is what it, it's trying to be, you know, right and knows what it is. And you don't have to think about it too hard, which I appreciate sometimes.
Peacock Show Highlights
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Speaker
Yeah. It looks good. I'm going to put it on my list right now. Speaking of Peacock, I don't want to jump in over you if you have any other recommendations.
00:05:15
Speaker
recommendations Go ahead. Right now. Yeah, go ahead. I tried to start Brilliant Minds. It's like a medical drama with Zachary Quinto. Zachary Quinto? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I can't get into it. I can't take it seriously. It's a little too campy as far as all of the stereotypes of medical dramas go. I got into see like episode three and then I quit.
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um
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Speaker
it's he just It's trying to be more serious. than the plots are. I don't know if that's really what I mean, but I just can't do it.
Oscar Buzz for 'Conclave'
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Speaker
Oh, the wild robot got put on peacock. It is so fun. i've heard I really liked it. thingss about it i took the kids we My kids, my even my oldest really loved the books.
00:06:12
Speaker
and I'd read them with my boys and so we took him, I took him to see the movie and it didn't stick exactly quite to the books but nothing ever does. But I really enjoyed, I really enjoyed watching that one. It's funny because the robot wakes up on an island from a shipwreck and interacts with the animals.
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Speaker
and
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Speaker
there's a little There's a little possum with her babies.
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Speaker
And there's one little part where like it seems like one of the little babies off screen gets eaten by something else. And she's like, I have seven kids. Oh, six. And then the baby's running up. And she's like, oh, seven. But but like there's no emotion in it. And I'm like, yeah, because that's kind of how things are in nature. you know there's not animals don't behave the way that humans do. I'm not saying animals can't get sad or that they don't grieve. But like, as far as nature goes, it's not the same as people. So that was kind of like a funny moment.
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um
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Speaker
But yeah, anything else? Yeah, one more. at least for TV and or movies. Also on Peacock, I guess today's episode is sponsored by Peacock. For legal purposes, no, not really. And I forgot this when I when i started off. This is of note and I think it might be, I think it's nominated for a couple Oscars. I know Ray Fiennes is nominated for it, but it's Conclave. We've talked about that one and that one's on Peacock now.
00:07:55
Speaker
Yeah, it's on peacock. I watched it and during one night where I couldn't fall asleep. And so I spent all night up, but, um, really, really good. Okay. Um, I really loved it.
Book Swap Experiences
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Speaker
Um, I don't really want to spoil it. Yeah. don't you mind I'm not going to say anything about it because there's, yeah, it's not really like spoiler heavy, but it's, it's good to experience it in the moment.
00:08:19
Speaker
um There's really good speech that he does to kind of open up the conclave and it's
00:08:29
Speaker
relating to religion, it's amazing. So perfect. I've got that added to my list. um I'm really trying to watch more movies. I had this mindset before that I just didn't want to watch a movie because it's so long. But then here I am binging two and a half to be for an hour long episode episodic drama. um So I'm like, no, you can. And and it's OK to stop the movie halfway through, take a break and like come back to it tomorrow. And if it's still interesting,
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Speaker
then OK. So that's what I've been trying to do. Anything else? i Not movies or TV. um I finished Wind and Truth. Awesome. And then I went and read Fourth Wing because okay I was forced to. Not really. Not forced. She and I made an agreement that we were going to do a book swap. OK, just blink if you need help.
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and
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Speaker
No comment. ah Honey, I love you so much.
00:09:39
Speaker
I was, I was willing to participate in it because I knew she was going to choose one of her fairy books. It's not a fairy book, but it's, it's, yeah. yeah
00:09:52
Speaker
But I really wanted her to read Tress because I felt like it was a really good um piece of fantasy written by a good author. So I was like, I really want you to experience what good fantasy can be like. What good writing can be like regardless of the genre. exactly Exactly. And she's like, okay, but you have to read Fourth Wing. And I'm like,
00:10:19
Speaker
Fine. I read fourth wing. um
00:10:28
Speaker
If this, okay, I didn't like it. I just straight up didn't like it. There were some cool things about it, some entertain entertaining things about it. I'll say that because it's dragons. Who doesn't love dragons? Dragons are pretty awesome.
00:10:44
Speaker
but this book is awful. I'm so sorry. She got so salty at me for saying it was not a good book. And she's like, but it's entertaining. I'm like, but it's not a good book. She was just oh so salty about it. You're such a snob. You're such a snob. That's what sort she was getting at. But I'm happy if people are reading this and coming to the genre or just reading more in general, because reading is great. I love reading.
00:11:13
Speaker
Sure. But please branch out to other other things. There's so so many other things that you can read that are just better. um
00:11:24
Speaker
I don't want to yuck anyone jump. If you like it, great. I'm happy for you. There's better stuff. But let's not pretend that it's quality. It's great. Sorry. It is what it is. And people are are giving horrid reviews to Onyx Storm, which was just released. So it's, I shouldn't be feeling this right, but i'm it's making me feel good.
Movie-Watching Adventures
00:11:47
Speaker
It's making me feel vindicated.
00:11:57
Speaker
Yeah, I finished that and I am now reading Lord of the Rings because it's about time. I actually read it for the first time, so.
00:12:10
Speaker
Didn't you say that you tried to read fourth wing and you couldn't get into it? I couldn't. I couldn't do it. I could. I can even pull up possibly. I don't know if I archived it on my audible. If it's still in my library, I might be able to tell you how far into it I got.
00:12:30
Speaker
I don't want to spend too much time on this. Other things to talk about. I might've archived it. I might've just been like, I don't even want it on my list a at all. ah Yeah, I can't see it. It was maybe a couple chapters in. I really feel like I gave it an honest try. Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:53
Speaker
I really that's okay did. Yeah, I've let I'm not on TikTok. My apologies. um But on Instagram, you know, like things get cross posted. And so I understand I'm kind of caught up with the book talk.
00:13:10
Speaker
ah recommendations. And so it's gotten to me a couple of times. I read um The Silent Patient. That one was really big on on the and with the influencers. um I guessed the twist before I should have. and It was kind of obvious.
00:13:30
Speaker
ah So it was interesting. And then what else did it make me read? A Court of Thorns and Roses, that one got me. And I got to maybe the third book before I kind of petered out. ah It's not anything like it's better than some. But the writing is like. ah I don't know. um But the other series by that same author, Sarah J. Mass Throne of Glass. I read that and I finished it.
00:14:08
Speaker
I didn't hate it. Like I really didn't go into it with tons of expectations. So maybe that helped. And so now I'm listening to the next one, Crown of Midnight. And this is all on like recommendation of my sister-in-law because she was like, yeah, I like, you know, Akatar, but I love the Throne of Glass series. And I'm like, OK, all right, I'll give it a try. Not the best books that I've read.
00:14:35
Speaker
but the story is entertaining enough that I'll keep going until it doesn't pull me in anymore. so yeah ah yeah i'm so I've just spent the last 20,
00:14:49
Speaker
for 25 years with Robert Jordan, with Orson Scott Card, with Brandon Sanderson, with Dean Coons, with all these and Stephen King and all these elite level authors, even even George RR Martin, there's something to say about his writing. And so you live in that level of talent of an author,
00:15:15
Speaker
And then I go on recommendation from influencers and I don't know why I'm surprised by what I get. Like I, that's what I get. That's what I get. But, um, I tried spark of the everflame. No. Yeah.
00:15:33
Speaker
I got to a certain part and I was like, no, I can't do this anymore. um There was another one that I got influenced into listening to. Oh, Verity, which is by Colleen Hoover. I know you're shaking your head because your algorithm doesn't tell you about that, but it's the same author as it ends with us. Yeah. ah I know Colleen.
00:15:56
Speaker
And so I didn't hear about that book, but i everybody was raving, like even people I know in real life about Verity. And I'm like, okay, I've got a got an audible credit. So I listened to it. Awful. Not that the writing was awful. Like she's fine as an author. Not anything that I would be like, wow, that's amazing writing. Because people read it for the twists. They read it for the drama. They read it for the story.
00:16:22
Speaker
And it was disgusting. I'm sorry. every, I was, as a parent, don't. I'm not going to elaborate any more than that for anybody who who really wants to listen to it, but I don't recommend it. They're making a movie about it, which I can't, I don't even know how they're gonna, I can't, I don't know how I can, it's it depicts a lot of child abuse. A lot of child abuse. I'm like, I don't know how they're gonna film this and I don't know why anybody would wanna watch that or participate in it. And every single one of the main characters is disgusting. They're terrible. Except maybe, nope, that's a spoiler. Nope, I didn't say it. I'll tell you off air, I'll tell you off air.
00:17:10
Speaker
but I ah can't, sorry, no sound effects. But anyway, so I said I wanted to watch more movies, so I ended up watching Jura number two. okay I like it. If you are interested in watching that, I won't say anything else about it okay because I have a mini rant, so we can save that if that's one you wanna watch, which I do recommend.
00:17:37
Speaker
I've heard good things, so I do want to watch it. It's definitely like a what would you do in this situation kind
Anticipation for Upcoming Movies
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Speaker
of a movie. So it's a very thought provoking, which I like it. um And then I started, but did not finish blink twice. And I just want to tell you the cast list because you're going to be like, what are these people doing together? Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. cast No, I haven't seen it, but i I think I know what movie you're talking about. Okay. Channing Tatum. Yep. Okay. That's the one.
00:18:11
Speaker
Naomi Aki, which I'd never heard of her before, I apologize, but it's got Channing Tatum. It's got, is it Aaliyah Shaukat? charcut She's from Arrested Development and a bunch of other things. Like she's kind of like in a lot of things right now. She's in another show that I'm watching called Search Party that I just found. Okay. Listen, Christian Slater.
00:18:36
Speaker
Haley Joel Osment. Yeah. Gina Davis, which I didn't even realize that was her until like she was on the screen for the third time. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, that's Gina Davis. That's amazing. Um, I think there was like maybe one more that I was shocked by and a lot of other names that I don't recognize, but I like the cast list alone. I was like, Oh my gosh.
00:19:05
Speaker
yeah It's a fun combination of people. Simon Rex. um Just people that I've never seen casted together before are in this crazy movie and I haven't finished it yet because it's about to be like a turning point in the movie and it's probably going to turn really violent.
00:19:23
Speaker
And i I just have to be emotionally ready to like sit down. I can't watch that at night all the time and like my hours during the day where I can watch ah something like that without littles around is very limited. So I'll finish it. But I think it's going to be a satisfying ending because it's a crazy plot, which I guessed again, what was actually going on.
00:19:52
Speaker
But there, to be fair, there were also a lot of really obvious clues about what was happening. Um, yeah so if you end up watching that, let me know. Oh, I'm on IMDB. It says violence and gore is severe. So yeah, it's gonna be, it's gonna be something.
00:20:10
Speaker
and And it's directed by Zoe Krapitz, which I think is really, really interesting. um but i I haven't heard bad things about the movie. I've heard relatively good things. No, I didn't know she directed that. That's amazing. Yeah.
00:20:26
Speaker
because directorial, like how it's all the shots and how it's being put together to leave you kind of confused for a while because the characters are confused. It's really it's it's done really well. So she did great.
00:20:43
Speaker
Um, this isn't like a recommendation or anything, but I, the more that I see about it, the more excited I get. And I try to, I'm trying to stay away from trailers. Um, it's a 2025 movie coming out. Uh, when is it coming out? I don't know. Um, it is called sinners and it is being directed by Ryan Coomer, the guy who directed Black Panther. Um, I think.
00:21:11
Speaker
Is it bad that I fell asleep during Black Panther? It's a good movie. I'm not saying it's not a good movie, but I fell asleep and I'm kind of an insomnia. I don't mean to insult that movie because I know it's a favorite, but I'm so sorry. That's OK. He directed Creed. Fruit Volsation. Just in the Black Messiah and then Black Panther. OK.
00:21:40
Speaker
Is it called sinners? It's called sinners sinners. Unfortunately. It's about. I'm not going to say that anyway. It's starring Michael B. Jordan, Haley Seinfeld, a couple other names I'm not really familiar with, and then Delroy Lindo. And the trailers, if you can try to find an early trailer, watch that like because steininfeld I have no idea.
00:22:10
Speaker
When I first first first watched the trailer, I had no idea what it was about, but it was so intriguing. um But the overview is trying to leave the troubled lives behind. Twin brothers returned to their hometown to start again, only to discover that an ever even greater evil is waiting to welcome them back. The trailer is just so captivating. okay And i'm I'm very excited about this movie.
00:22:34
Speaker
aye Yeah. We'll keep that in mind. Okay. You'll have to report back when that comes out. Does it have a release date? It just says 2025. Oh, no, right there. April 18th. Yeah. Okay. So excited. Good to know. Yeah. Speaking of trailers though. Yeah. The trailer for 28 years later.
00:23:00
Speaker
All right. I'm so sorry. I haven't seen 28 days later or 28 weeks later. I really need to. I don't know where to find 28 days later. Nobody can find it. Maybe it's in like the bottom of a Walmart bin somewhere, but everybody wants it and nobody can find it, which is why I will die with my DVD collection. I'm never getting rid of it. Could I borrow it? Maybe forever? I don't have it.
00:23:29
Speaker
If I did, I would absolutely let you borrow it.
00:23:36
Speaker
Yeah, um that's that was a really good trailer. You know, I'm not a zombie movie person. Yeah. I can't do zombies. My husband had to bribe me into watching one episode of The Walking Dead. it I can't believe that.
00:23:57
Speaker
sort of thing is still going. And then they have like, yeah they needed to finish. Yeah, they they're milking that all the way. They're not like, who are you making this for anymore? Like, I don't, I don't even know who's still, nobody talks about watching it. It had a great, like even lost cut it off after five seasons because like, and Cause that's what you do. You don't just drag it on till it is sad.
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Speaker
All
Unsettling Elements of 'The Jolly Corner'
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Speaker
right. I am so excited to get into this episode. I am too. Um, in an effort to try to pivot and and make a good transition on IMDB, I looked it up. I looked up IMDB ratings for each episodes. Okay. Oh, tell me how the director is because, Oh my gosh. Okay. So good. This episode had like these beautiful shots.
00:24:52
Speaker
It was Ben Howling and Yolanda Romkey. Let me see if Ben Howling was known for anything. Props to them because oh my gosh, this episode had a whole different feel. It had a whole like, i so good. Weirdly enough, I think um he was a director for a couple episodes of Drunk History. Love that show. I love that show.
00:25:22
Speaker
And then Yolanda Ramky. Let's see. It looks like she was a writer for something called Cargo. And a director for that as well. I honestly don't know what that is, but that's what they were looking for. Cargo, is that the one with, I can't remember his name.
00:25:48
Speaker
He was in The Hobbit and the original Office. Oh, is that that car? Yeah. cart yeah that the movie? It is. Yeah, that's that's when I can't watch that. He's got a little baby with him and everything is crazy. That's too stressful for me.
00:26:07
Speaker
Let me let me go back to the episode before episode five. The Altar of the Head. That was directed by Liam Gavin. Uh huh. um What are you known for, Liam? Nothing really. A dark song was the other other thing that he's directed, which it looks like it's a movie. Probably like straight to streaming kind of thing.
00:26:37
Speaker
And he was a writer for that as well, so not really known for much either. But that last episode, episode five is the highest rated of the season. I eight point six.
00:26:49
Speaker
it It earned it. it's Yeah. um I will say this episode, the Jolly Corner scared me. I'm not kidding. It was scary. Really? ah There's a couple notable moments where I was a little freaked out. I even like got up and walked to my TV. I hope you're talking about.
00:27:17
Speaker
I hope you're talking about in the end because I was like, I'm going to watch that again. I don't know if I caught what you're talking about because I am talking about something that was not very towards the end, but oh ahha just unsettling moments, just not anything overtly scary, but how it's presented to you was scary.
00:27:42
Speaker
Yeah. And I was just feeling super icky at the end of this and had to watch an episode of something more lighthearted to kind of settle down. It was just high emotions. Yeah. And the scary element and just everything going on. And it had like a perfect Flanagan monologue in there too. Like this episode was just, it was so good. So if you're ready, I'm ready.
00:28:12
Speaker
I am. Okay. Let's go. Let's go.
Uncle Henry's Routine and Guilt
00:28:17
Speaker
So this episode opens with Uncle Henry in his office. He's at his desk with an amazing vintage typewriter, like even for the 80s. That typewriter looked kind of old. I loved it. I want a green typewriter. His secretary comes in with the mail, sorting through it. He stops on a letter and my eyesight is not good enough to see you who it was addressed to.
00:28:45
Speaker
I couldn't read what it said but he sets it aside and it makes him look troubled. The narrator is explaining how he prefers his office to his home and he entombs himself there and she says something that I can't remember but it was something about feeling himself or not himself and he stays there until he feels himself. No room inside of himself for anything but his routine.
00:29:07
Speaker
Thank you. Yes. ah Heavy, heavy themes of guilt over this whole series. especially in this episode, like episode four and now episode six. The secretary comes back in and says that Danny is reporting on the children that they're well but she has concerns. She wants to update him and he says, I'm sure that they're fine. It's clear that he's kind of staying at the office well past normal business hours.
00:29:40
Speaker
another shot of the really cool green typewriter. He's looking at that same letter again. He's looking off in the distance, but there's nothing there. Then he gets up from his desk and then there's a silhouette in the distance. And then the silhouette is in his office. And I can't tell if he was at first, if he's talking to the silhouette or to himself, because now the silhouette is gone and he's getting some scotch. And he was like remarking like whiskey or scotch or something like that.
00:30:09
Speaker
He walks over to a sitting area of his office with a letter and pours himself his drink. Now there's a duplicate of him sitting across who picks up the scotch and drinks it. The duplicate looks really menacing, just that scary, scary smile. moon This is so spooky, I wrote. I was like, doing voice notes into my phone like this, and I'm like, this is so spooky.
00:30:39
Speaker
The original Henry picks up the drink and doesn't really seem to notice that the duplicate or the doppelganger the mimic or whatever he is, is there. It cuts over to blind manner and it's
Themes of Memories and Reality
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raining. Somebody drives up runs into the house and calls for Charlotte.
00:30:55
Speaker
then realize it's Dominic, Mr. Windgrave, who's the children's father rushing in. And Henry, the uncle, is already there at the house. um Dominic is asking if he's on time or if he's late. And then I'm like, oh, it's when Flora is born. um Next, we cut to some beautiful shots of the garden, some upcloses of the branches and the leaves, the statues and the lake.
00:31:19
Speaker
It has the morning light shining on it with like the dewy fog. And then it we see Flora is on the ground of the garden waking up and seeming confused, as are we.
00:31:33
Speaker
And those shots like really caught my eye. I was like, oh my gosh, this is really pretty.
00:31:41
Speaker
Next, Dani is bringing some coffee to Jamie in the greenhouse and the mood is a bit awkward. Dani is explaining how the house now feels weird and empty because Jamie hasn't been around. Owen has been gone. And Hannah seems like she's not around as much. And she remarks that sometimes she turns around and Hannah is just gone. jamie Jamie's a bit dismissive and says sometimes people just need to be alone.
00:32:11
Speaker
um Jamie is asking her, why are you up so early on this particular day that I'm coming back? And Danny admits that she does want to fix the way they ended things the last time they were together. And Jamie accuses her of being too jumpy. um Danny asks her out to a pub to get a drink. And it's conveniently the pub that is located under her flat.
00:32:41
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She's turning into a little bit of a pick me.
00:32:46
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um
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Next, Danny sees Flora through the window of the greenhouse walking through the garden. And this is supposedly super early in the morning when nobody is supposed to be awake. And they chase after her. Flora says she doesn't feel good. And Danny asks, why are you out here? Danny looks over.
00:33:06
Speaker
Sorry. Flora looks over Danny's shoulder and we see Rebecca. We see what Flora sees. We see Rebecca now. Rebecca reaches over and touches her forehead and then it cuts to Flora waking up in her bed. She sits up and looks around and a boy ducks down in front of the bed and Flora calls after him but calls him Miles but it doesn't look like Miles.
00:33:32
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Noah's laughing because it's scary. I just can picture your face when the boy turns around. I was like, that was my face.
00:33:46
Speaker
She goes to the edge of the bed and there's a boy then standing in the doorway and she asks, who are you? And she goes over to him and like puts her hand on his shoulder. He turns around and it's a ghost child with no face. Mm hmm.
00:34:00
Speaker
Then Flora is running down the hall calling for her mom, so this whole sequence is back when her parents were still there. Or so we think. She tells her mom about the boy and in the background of the bedroom.
00:34:15
Speaker
Ta-da, is Uncle Henry getting dressed? I totally forgot about this. Me too. Ah. Me too. Jeez. Uh-huh. And they quickly explained that Henry slept over, but in one of the guest rooms. But no, he didn't.
00:34:37
Speaker
She drags them over to her bedroom to see the ghost boy and of course they don't find him. Henry and her mother Charlotte don't believe her and they're telling her go ahead and make friends with this little boy and tell him stories and give him a story since he has no mouth. Flora is asking when her foot
00:34:58
Speaker
Okay. okay Flora is asking when her father is coming home from Scotland and she says things feel wrong, that she should be littler. And her mother says that you should be five years old when this happened. And Flora asks, why aren't I five years old? Henry says, you know why. And Flora says, because this is a memory, I'm tucked away in a memory and this is happening more and more.
00:35:23
Speaker
Um, there's a little nugget that I wanted to just kind of put away for later. Uh-huh. Henry says that when he was his age in this house, he also had an imaginary friend and he gave him a story about being a soldier. I missed the part where he said that he was in the house because I remember that part about him telling about how he gave his imaginary friend a story about being a soldier, but I miss that it was in the house. Good catch. just that that we gonna Just keep that in our minds. Yes.
00:36:04
Speaker
So she wakes up as soon, oh that she's so she's commenting how she wakes up as soon as she realizes that she is in a memory, that it's kind of a pattern. She's in the memory, realizes it's wrong, remembers she's in a memory, and then wakes up. So now we're back to the present day. Flora is in bed and Dani's been trying to wake her up and says that she just fell asleep all of a sudden. Flora remarks how she's tired, but she would like to dream this time and not just have a memory.
00:36:33
Speaker
It cuts to Henry in his office. The secretary, I like how like each scene you don't know when or when things are in the story.
Doppelgangers and Guilt
00:36:45
Speaker
It just, it's really, it kind of keeps things like unsettled so you don't know exactly what's going on. And then the slow reveals are so good.
00:36:56
Speaker
So the secretary is letting him know that Danny is calling again. She's concerned about the children and that Flora has been sleepwalking. He asks if she's not all right, then they should be calling the doctor. Why are they calling him? The secretary leaves Henry, picks up the phone and makes a call and took me a moment to realize that this was a flashback.
00:37:18
Speaker
um, Flora answers and she answers it. Um, does she say Flora's residents? Um, I think it's one gray residents or something like that. No, she says her own name. She says Flora's residents because they repeat that several times.
00:37:37
Speaker
so Yeah, you're right about that yep it's kind of a important plot point. So Flora answers the phone, says Flora's residence and Henry asks if she has made up a story for the boy yet. So now we know that this has gone back in time to when the parents are still alive. Flora says that her dad says that he's just a type of a mint, a figment of her imagination.
00:37:57
Speaker
Flora then passes the phone off to her father who's confused about why Henry is calling because nobody should have known that he was there and Henry kind of has to BS his way through that to make it not obvious about why he really is calling. Yeah.
00:38:15
Speaker
um In the office, Henry pours a drink for his double, who is still very creepy. The doppelganger has a monologue or a speech about Peter robbing them blind and there's white sheets covering the office furniture so I don't even know what time period this is supposed to be. um We find out later when that's happening and why things are covered in sheets.
00:38:39
Speaker
The evil twin is making fun of Henry for not putting out too many notices of death for his brother Dominic. He's avoiding it either out of grief or deception, I think. It's hard to tell like why he's not kind of facing reality.
00:38:54
Speaker
At the house, guilt. We now know it's guilt. um At the house while Flora is sleeping, Danny and Hannah are chatting about how Henry has not been himself lately. I don't know if that's right.
00:39:10
Speaker
but
00:39:17
Speaker
We'll move on. Also, they're talking also about how Hannah can't really seem to keep track of time as she doesn't remember what she's been doing this afternoon. Hannah leaves, and Danny goes to pull the covers up on Flora. This was the part I was talking about. um Danny goes over to pull the covers open over Flora. As she's walking away in the background, we see the little boy that's playing with the dollhouse. And that's what I couldn't see from far away. So I walked up close.
00:39:46
Speaker
ah yeah The little boy is playing with the dollhouse. Danny turns around to look, but now he's disappeared. It was so scary and unsettling. like I really was weirded out. Downstairs in the kitchen, Hannah and Owen are chatting. Jamie comes in and takes Danny with her out to the garden to show her the moon flowers.
00:40:08
Speaker
Then this is the amazing Flanagan monologue. Jamie starts commenting about how the moonflower only blooms for a few months and then it dies and needs to be replanted. It's a lot of effort for seemingly little reward. She compares that to people are a lot of effort that you put into them and you get very little out of it. And Danny is kind of affronted by this and challenges her and says all of them and Jamie says all of them.
00:40:35
Speaker
And then Jamie goes into her own life story about how her mother married her father too young. Her father went to work in the coal mines and their mother misbehaved. So their third child was somebody else's and everybody knew it and the mother left town because of the public scorn about the affair baby. And then the children got split up into foster homes. And after Jamie had looked, had
00:41:01
Speaker
lived in London, she got into some trouble and went to jail where she learned how to garden. And she loves how plants reciprocate the effort you put into them by flourishing and growing, and how people are not the same. And then she goes on to talk about how death is natural and beautiful because it leaves behind nourishment for what comes next, just like plants do, just like this moonflower does. It's a proper Flanagan monologue.
00:41:29
Speaker
i I absolutely love this monologue. This is maybe one of the biggest reasons why I love this episode and just seeing how it relates to everything. um Going back, I really liked the kids can't raise kids. Yeah, she ended up to be the caretaker of her her younger sibling.
00:41:48
Speaker
Yeah. And it's just it's crazy how common that we're were seeing that nowadays of just like people, not necessarily being young, but just still being childish or kiddish and just kind of not raising, they're they're not parents, they're not being adults.
00:42:07
Speaker
and um
00:42:11
Speaker
it's It's interesting how that relates to the story as well as real life, and that I love the part that you you mentioned, you're able to pour your love and effort into something and you are able to see where it goes. um And she was talking about the plants.
00:42:25
Speaker
and that's easy and um safe that's and I think that's what she likes about it is that it's safe yeah because when it comes to people it doesn't always happen and um some of the subtext that I got from it is like the death of love is what hurts and sucks but just like a death of a plant it can provide nourishment or um
00:42:56
Speaker
recycled is not like the best sort of word that I want to use, but it's the only one I can think of and that she was talking about because you can learn from it. You can grow from it.
00:43:11
Speaker
And love just doesn't go away. And I had a whole bunch of other things planned to say, and I had all these thoughts in my head. I just can't get them out very well, but I write them down. but Yeah. I just, I always forget to do that.
00:43:26
Speaker
I just love how that monologue relates to this episode, but also this series in general, because so
Family Betrayal and Tension
00:43:34
Speaker
this is a just a love story and we're witnessing all these different aspects of love and different kinds of love in this in this series. Like we've seen how toxic love can be with Rebecca and the guy's name for Peter. like can yeah We see how love can turn better if if you're away from it from too long with the mom and the dad and Henry stealing his wife away. and
00:44:11
Speaker
It can be very hurtful, but it provides something beautiful and someone like Flora, like Flora would never have existed if it weren't for that. So it's, I love how complicated love it. I love how the series is showing us how complicated love is. It really does explore all the relationships between all the characters, even between Owen and Hannah um and Danny and Eddie.
00:44:41
Speaker
Um, just all different examples of all different types of relationships and Jamie and her plants.
00:44:59
Speaker
It's, I just really love it. It keeps reminding me why I love this season so much. That is great insight.
00:45:09
Speaker
Thank you so much. yeah yeah um That scene fades away as Jamie and Danny have a moment. The scene switches over to Charlotte and Brother-in-law Henry smooching on a couch and the angle. So there he's like laying down on the couch, but the the the shot makes him vertical.
00:45:30
Speaker
and it It turns really unsettling as Charlotte moves away and the doppelganger, the evil twin, comes into the frame like really close to his face, just grinning at him in that evil way. Cut to scene at b Blind Manor. It's almost Flora's sixth birthday and Uncle Henry brings this infamous dollhouse. So we know it's from her birthday that she gets this amazing dollhouse.
00:46:00
Speaker
He apologizes to Charlotte for not being able to make the birthday party and Dominic is standing at the top of the stairs um and he seems tense but there's a moment between him and his brother. Things are kind of awkward. Later on in the kitchen that night Dominic is sitting at the table and Charlotte comes down and is looking in the fridge for a snack. Dominic is upset and he's mentioning how Flora was born so early And how surprised he was that she could be born that early but wasn't a small baby. And he's accusing her of cheating saying he was in Russia that whole time when if Flora was really on time, she was conceived when he was in Russia. And without saying it, Charlotte is admitting that yes, she had been having an affair with Henry.
00:46:56
Speaker
Before she does that, I just, I thought it was interesting how someone who's trying to lie just continues to try to fill the silence and just just continues to talk and say things and just continue to talk. And answer questions that are not being asked. Yep. Yep. That's how I know somebody is lying.
00:47:19
Speaker
I'm like, I didn't ask you that. Why are you why are you telling me this?
00:47:25
Speaker
That was too much. So in present day, Danny is waking up next to Jamie.
Psychological Horror Elements
00:47:33
Speaker
She gets dressed and sees Flora out in the garden again. Danny is worried and Flora explains that she seems to have been tucked away again and doesn't know why this is all happening. She looks over Danny's shoulder and we see Rebecca who taps her on the forehead again.
00:47:49
Speaker
It doesn't tap, but she touches her forehead. Then Flora kind of seems like herself as we know her, like bubbly and just happy and enthusiastic. And now we're realizing that that's not the real Flora. That this whole time, how many times have we really seen who Flora really is? I don't think it's been very many. Which and I can't believe I didn't think that if Miles was being possessed by Peter, why I didn't think Flora wasn't being affected somehow.
00:48:19
Speaker
Right, exactly. um We're so distracted by everything else that's going on. We're just completely overlooking little Flora that nothing is happening to her. um So Flora says she's terribly sorry and she wanted to go for a walk.
00:48:38
Speaker
um
00:48:41
Speaker
I have so many like big feelings for Flora in this episode because it's so sad. It's so sad. She's not given, I can go into it later, but she's just not being given any time to be herself to really grieve her parents, or even grieve for Rebecca, because Rebecca's still there, and Rebecca's manipulating her, even if Rebecca thinks that she's protecting her by giving putting her in these like happy memories.
00:49:06
Speaker
but
00:49:08
Speaker
I'll go into that later. Over in Henry's office, the secretary is letting him know that Danny has called again about the children and Henry snaps and doesn't want to be disturbed unless the children are actually hurt. He seems really, really disheveled. dishevellled excuse me As he walks through the doorway, it seems now to be a different moment, and this is the moment where Dominic confronts Henry about the affair. He says, you can keep the office, but that's it. You're being cut off, you're being banished, and people are bustling about cleaning things, removing things. So this is
00:49:45
Speaker
After this is when the there's nothing in the office and things are kind of covered with sheets as if the place is closed up but Henry is still there every single day. um Like in the beginning the narrator tells us that that's where he keeps himself.
00:50:00
Speaker
um Cutting to a scene in the house with Flora and her mother talking about her mother going on a trip to India for a couple of weeks and Flora doesn't like the idea of her being gone so long. So Charlotte hands her a little figure made of twine and acorn and calls it a talisman.
00:50:15
Speaker
And Flora remarks how it's happening again, isn't it? How she's not really here and she's too old. It's like the math doesn't work, and Charlotte says that's right. Flora says she's tucked away again in another memory, tucked away safer, her mother says. She says Flora should probably wake up now.
00:50:31
Speaker
She does wake up and it's nighttime in her room and she looks around she walks down the stairs and hears everybody talking in the kitchen and she's upset that they've had dinner without her. They said that they gave her soup in her room but she doesn't remember that. Flora says she's really upset and she doesn't like this game.
00:50:49
Speaker
The phone rings and Danny answers and we see that it's Henry calling from his perspective but he doesn't say anything and so Danny hangs up. The evil twin in Henry's office makes fun of him for not saying anything and kind of teases him that he does so much that they think he's some pervert calling and breathing into the phone.
00:51:08
Speaker
There's a knock on the office door and now it's flashing back to Charlotte coming to see Henry. She explains how she's going to India with her husband and she wants to fix her marriage, that she's sorry for not explaining about Flora before Henry says he loves her and she says, I know.
00:51:27
Speaker
She leaves and Henry follows after her, but now it's the present and she's not actually there. Evil Twin is showing him moments kind of like the Ghost of Christmas Past.
00:51:38
Speaker
Henry doesn't want to relive this next memory. It's when he gets the news about the accident of his brother and his wife. He relives it anyway. And then this is the moment he receives. So this is the moment he receives the phone call.
Ghostly Encounters and Hauntings
00:51:53
Speaker
And then right after that, he meets his Evil Twin and it completely freaks him out.
00:52:00
Speaker
And I kind of skipped over this because I'm really just trying to do like an overview, but the the part where Dominic is confronting Henry and he says there's an evil inside you or there's like an evil side of you that's grinning and poop eating grin. Poop eating, to yeah, thank you. That poop eating grin, um just evil. And then so the moment that he receives the news about his brother and sister-in-law dying, that evil twin is personified and shows up. And he is on the floor screaming. That performance was great. I believed him. I really believed him.
00:52:47
Speaker
ah Back at the present day at Bly Manor, Dani has just put Flora to bed and is chatting with Jamie about having to take her to the doctor because of all the sleepwalking and everything that's going on and Flora seeming so out of sorts. Jamie says she actually needs a psychologist and how she had to see a psychologist when she was in jail and it actually helped her. um Jamie leaves for the night beside despite Dani trying to get her to stay.
00:53:12
Speaker
Flashing back to when I think was not too soon after the parents accident and the evil twin is basically tormenting Henry. Henry wants to go to Bly and the evil twin is just making him feel so very guilty and this kind of explains why Henry has been staying away.
00:53:31
Speaker
Back at Bly Manor, Flora is sleeping and the little faceless boy is playing with the dollhouse. Flora wakes up and the boy is running away and she tells him to wait. She follows him. Excuse me. She follows him. I hated this part. She follows him up to the attic.
00:53:50
Speaker
And I don't know when this is supposed to have happened. Um, and why are there so many mannequins and big dolls in the attic? No idea yeah why mannequins are in a house and why they're all being stored in the attic instead of a trash heap. She finds the boy among the dolls and apologizes for scaring him and offers to give him his story.
00:54:15
Speaker
She takes a face off of a porcelain doll. I know. I freaked out. Why? Why? It makes it worse. And puts it on him to give him a face. I hate this. I wrote that. I hate this. ah That's when Phora realizes she's back in another memory the night when she did this. and The night when she gave him a new face. She was five years old. The boy nods.
00:54:43
Speaker
She calls out and asks, why do you keep pushing me aside, Miss Jessel? She wakes up in her bed and calls out to Rebecca and wants to talk to her. Rebecca kind of appears in her room. And she's confronting her and says, she doesn't want to play this game anymore. She mention mentions how Miles is fine, except when he isn't Miles. And Rebecca seems to take this as news and kind of disappears. And Flora makes her come back.
00:55:11
Speaker
She's speaking loudly enough that Danny comes in. But Danny, oh, this shot when Rebecca's sitting on the bed wasn't scary. That's not scary when like Flora and Rebecca are talking. Not scary. No. Danny walks in the room. We see her perspective of Rebecca sitting on the bed. That was scary. That was so scary.
00:55:39
Speaker
So, Dani sees Rebecca and calls for Flora to come to her. She goes into the hallway with Flora and calls for miles. In the hallway, we see Peter in front of them and behind them is Rebecca. Peter says, well, this is awkward.
00:55:56
Speaker
Then the ghosts both disappear as Flora runs up to the attic immediately. So Danny can't find her, despite her coming in right behind her. But then we see Flora is standing in the middle of the room and says she's sorry. And then Miles hits her in the head with something from behind and seen an episode at the end. Hey, did you see, did you see something? No. What are you going to make me say? It took me so long.
00:56:25
Speaker
On air to recover from that last one, but okay. Okay. Oh my gosh. What is it going to be? Okay. Don't tell me, but just tell me.
00:56:39
Speaker
Okay. Here I go. jimmy ah Almost.
00:56:46
Speaker
OK, what what how is your your timing work? Does it tell you how much time is left or as I'm scrolling? It'll tell me the it'll tell me a time stamp as I'm scrolling. But I'll just start from the hallway. She's running up. Hold on. I got to get me. I need you to freeze whenever.
00:57:06
Speaker
um She is coming up this the the stairs. It's a still. still shot of before that. She's, okay she's on the stairs. The camera's at floor level. Okay. Freeze frame. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
00:57:37
Speaker
i haven't seen it yet i'm just scared no, no, no No.
00:57:49
Speaker
Why do they have to be old people? You saw both of them? Yeah. There's that man on the left and the old woman on the right. Okay. Okay. Now I really want you to focus on the one on the left and tell me what you see about him. While it's playing. Well, he's like wearing a hat and he's looking down the stairs. What does his outfit look like?
00:58:11
Speaker
like Like a soldier, like a soldier. Like a soldier. Like a soldier. Like, bam.
00:58:20
Speaker
Oh, and then like that scene when she's fully in the attic, they're not there. Yep. Oh no, he is there. If you watch it, they move slightly. They're moving a little bit. Goodness. Yep. How did you catch that? we can I don't know. I just, I was able to see it.
00:58:42
Speaker
It's fun trying to find the faces in all these shots and I know that I'm probably missing some of them. I know we are You should put in like the Instagram post for this episode Hey, do you want to see Laura get jump scared live on air three times in a row?
00:59:03
Speaker
This is the third episode in a row jump scared you
00:59:12
Speaker
The last episode, it's like those photos that were being passed around on Facebook where everything looks normal, except there's like a creepy face. Yeah. You don't notice right away. And so it's it's a jump scare in a photo. That's exactly what it's like. And I thought I was like seasoned.
00:59:32
Speaker
It wouldn't affect me, but apparently not. No, that was scary. Why did they have to? Oh my gosh. You're welcome. Oh, thank you. Anything for the audience? I thought you would have seen that one. Like that would be. I completely missed it. No. No, I noticed when the little boy was playing with the dollhouse because it looked a little bit different because like his hair kind of looked like a shadow because it's backlit by the house, by the dollhouse. And so I really I was like, there's something there. So I rewound it and I got up to go see it.
01:00:06
Speaker
Um, so that was a jump scare in itself. So I, yeah. Yeah. I just, I thought that was really cool. It was a soldier. I could really tell what the other one was. It looked like, she looked like an old lady. Like, um, maybe someone from like Shakespeare's time. Cause it had like the Victorian Victorian. Yeah. So I wonder if there was a mention before maybe she was like a housekeeper or something.
01:00:37
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. have Fun times. Good times. um I got really really really sad like I was almost crying for Flora in this episode because imagine Rebecca thinks she's protecting her by putting her in these old happy memories with her mother but from Flora's point of view she is in this memory and everything seems normal but she is slowly realizing while she's in this memory that it's not
01:01:11
Speaker
real that her mother is dead and she is older she's not five with her mother she's older and it's like putting her through that moment of finding out her mother is dead like over and over again And it's not letting her have any peace.
Flora's Emotional Struggles
01:01:32
Speaker
It's not letting her, like she's not, she can't even be herself because she's having these moments where she doesn't remember things. And so it's confusing. And then she's just reliving this grief several times a day, every single day. um So that one, that made that, that I'm not okay with that.
01:01:57
Speaker
I'm fine.
01:02:00
Speaker
You're looking at me with concern. Thank you. it's But it's just sad. It's so sad. It is, especially because Rebecca is a doing it for a selfish reason. like it's Very selfish. right She might be convincing herself that it's good, but it's bad. Or like she's protecting right Laura, but it's not. She's doing it so she can have In my in my theory, she's doing it so she can have her body so she can be with Peter. so But she seemed to not know about Peter inhabiting Miles. She was genuinely shocked at that news. I don't know. But whatever it is, I think it's just being selfish. Very selfish. Yeah, another. but Go ahead.
01:02:56
Speaker
No, I'm good. Especially what? I don't know what I was going to say. I'm sorry. It's okay. um
01:03:10
Speaker
Yeah, go ahead. Oh, just again, it's the
01:03:18
Speaker
on the topic of love, or I think he's what are's showing showing us what love isn't. Love isn't selfish. You're not doing these things for for a selfish purpose purposes. okay And she's disregarding Flora and harming Flora for her own gain.
01:03:40
Speaker
Whatever it is. I'm not sure yet. I love that there's been so much revealed so far and we have so many episodes to go. yeah Like after the last episode, I was like, oh my gosh, we still have four more episodes to go and each one is going to give us more information each time. And so now we still have three to go. So much more. Yeah.
01:04:03
Speaker
Yeah. I don't understand people who don't like this series. It's the same argument you could say ah why people like fourth wing. So just let that speak for my my i argument and my reasoning. You mean they're simple and basic? Absolutely. yep Nothing wrong with that. No.
01:04:30
Speaker
There's not nope just people's tastes aren't my own. I do notice that compared to Haunting of Hill House, we had a lot more to talk about the themes of that season. Like there was a lot more layers to really go into. So this, this season doesn't have as much
01:04:53
Speaker
But it's still, it's just so good. i hate See, I had the opposite opinion. I think this one story-wise is maybe simpler. um And so maybe you could just regard it as like shallow or not interesting because it doesn't maybe have as much as you thought Hill House did. But like you said, I do think the the themes are deep. and They connect over.
01:05:22
Speaker
the episode. I'm not saying Hill House didn't connect, I'm just saying. No, I think it's gonna it's gonna ramp up in these last three episodes for sure. Yeah.
01:05:34
Speaker
Any final thoughts? I was just about to ask you. Those were my final thoughts, just my grief and sadness for Flora. I have a little little bit of sympathy for Henry, but he kind of like put himself there.
01:05:53
Speaker
some anger for Rebecca. Yeah, little cringy for um for Danny. ah She's exploring this new relationship with Jamie. It's almost like she really doesn't know how she's been in one and a half relationships ever. She was always with Eddie. And now she's got this new relationship as a grown up with with Jamie. So she's I think she's kind of figuring out how to be
01:06:23
Speaker
So yeah, i's so it's a little cringy, but it's I really love the moment where she brought her out some coffee. She tries it and immediately spits it back in the cup. She's like, I'm not good at coffee either. I don't know how you mess that up, but and okay. Oh,
01:06:51
Speaker
I think this episode, the commentary, at least the main commentary was about the relationship between guilt and love.
Impact of Guilt and Grief on Children
01:06:59
Speaker
okay I just really liked, especially Henry's story about the guilt that he has over his actions. And maybe he's even taken it so far to think that he caused the death of his brother and his wife slash love of because Would they have gone on that trip if he wasn't cheating on or with her on the husband? I don't remember the original point of the trip, but I know that Charlotte was saying she's going to use it as a means to fix her marriage. So I don't know if it was a business trip or if it was like a vacation or both. Yeah.
01:07:46
Speaker
But I did really like the part where Dominic was confronting Henry, because he also you know was telling Henry that Flora was his daughter, because I don't think Henry fully really understood that Flora was his. And he says, she may have been yours, but when she wakes up at night, I'm there. When she has all these milestones, it's me. I'm there to comfort her. I'm there to raise her. You're nothing.
01:08:14
Speaker
I'm, I'm her father. You're not right. Yeah. Right. You're banished from the family. Right. He's like, I can't take your office, but you're nothing now. But that whole talk about, yeah, you you had something to do with Flora being here, but I'm her father. And so he like took everything away from him, essentially.
01:08:38
Speaker
the how he the calls he's calling the the household to hear Flora's voice and maybe to talk to her but maybe it's the guilt that's holding him back from actually speaking or actually talking because it seems like he's trying to honor what his brother maybe some of his last words that his brother spoke to him about hey you're banished maybe he's And some weird way he's trying to honor that. But I also. Again, a commentary on on guilt and love. Not moving past that is preventing this love from being shown to Flora, you know, because she has nobody anymore. She doesn't have her parents. She has housekeepers who do the best they can. The staff, they have a staff.
01:09:32
Speaker
But she doesn't have her uncle, wented really her father, but she doesn't have uncle Henry at all. And and how sad for printing that for the children because he was there all the time. He was there all the time. He gave her at all house their mother and now their mother's gone, their father's gone, their uncle is staying away. And that's sometimes even sadder when somebody could be there, but they aren't. So from the kid's perspective and even like the staff and Danny's perspective, it's confusing.
01:10:10
Speaker
Yeah. And again Rebecca trying to like come like shield her from everything and doing more harm than good.
01:10:21
Speaker
Yeah. But those are my final thoughts. That's all I had. Thank you so much. Yeah. And just on the theme of hiding things from children that you shouldn't hide from them or
01:10:39
Speaker
Um, trying to shield them from things that are sad. I disagree with.
01:10:50
Speaker
I don't know how far I want to go into that looking at our time stamp. I think it's not as bad as some of our episodes. It's it's really it's hard to see your kids go through something sad. So like if they lose their favorite stuffed animal, some parents have like a backup. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. um But sometimes.
01:11:15
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when they lose their toy they lose their toy and letting them be sad about not having that toy anymore is a healthy growth developmental the stage that's good for them to go through while they're little because that helps them process their emotions when they're big if they have a pet like a fish
01:11:39
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And the fish is going to die because fish don't stick around for very long. A lot of times, you know, goldfish or whatever, and they die. You don't want your kid to be sad. Don't go and replace the fish without them knowing, like letting them experience that sadness and that grief. And these are very little things I'm talking about that that happened. But in this, ah you know, in this series where their parents are dead and Rebecca is trying to hide the sadness from Flora.
01:12:11
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by taking her away and tucking her away in these memories. If that's her intention, it's very, very bad. It's doing harm. So that's my little rant. Oh, and on that vein, my son's fish died. So poor guys. I know we had we had the sweet fish for about a year and he was just kind of was old and was done.
01:12:39
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And he said to me, I said, Do you want to get another fish? And he said, No, I don't really want to be sad like this again. Like, that's fair. You can tell him you love him and that he was a really good fish. And do you want to flush him or bury him? And he said, I want to bury him. So today I get to make a little, a little fish coffin out of some post postcards.
01:13:02
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And we'll have a little ceremony for our fish for my son.
01:13:09
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I think that's important to not shelter we your children from every little negative negative thing.
01:13:20
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Right, because while they're small, the experiences seem big. But in the scope of things that they'll go through later, those experiences are small relatively. But you're there to help them through it, and to comfort them through those feelings, instead of having them avoid those feelings or not experiencing those feelings at all. Because I'm not the parent.
01:13:43
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Right, I'm not the parent that has the backup favorite toy or the backup favorite blanket. I'm not the parent that, you know, rushes out to replace something if they lose if they lose it. I'm so sorry you lost it. Give me a hug. I hope you feel better soon. What can I let's make some cookies now, you know.
01:14:06
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because those are skills that they're going to need when they grow up and the, and the circumstances are bigger and the feelings are harder, but they need those tools while you're around to give them your help and support.
01:14:22
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Yep. And again, that's why what Rebecca is doing is terrible.
01:14:27
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Absolutely. Yep. Just bringing it full circle back to what we're actually talking about today. So this is not a parenting podcast. So bonus for you guys. Some free advice. We won't charge you for that.
01:14:46
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Maybe next time. Maybe that's what our Patreon can be. Just parenting advice. Parenting advice.
01:14:55
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I'm just kidding.
01:14:59
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Well, that's it for me at least. That's it for me too. So thank you for those that stuck around to the end here. We love you. We'll see you next time. Bye. See you later.