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Bonus Episode: Hush (2016)
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Join Noah, Laura, and special guest, Aaron, as we talk about Mike Flanagan's 2016 movie: Hush
Please note this movie is scary and has many depictions of violence. Take care watching!
We'll be back soon with our next season, where we will break down and review the 2nd season in The Haunting series: The Haunting of Bly Manor. Stay tuned!
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Aaron
00:00:00
Noah
Welcome back to Fans of Flanagan, everyone. I am Noah.
00:00:05
lauradavis
I'm Laura.
00:00:06
Noah
And today is a little bit of a special episode. We're gonna be discussing the film Hush, but we have a special guest to introduce. Everybody, welcome, Aaron.
00:00:16
lauradavis
Hi, Erin.
00:00:17
Aaron
Wait, so this isn't us doing two hours on the Batman villain. Everyone thinks we'll be the villain of the next Batman movie.
00:00:25
Noah
No, no, it isn't.
00:00:25
lauradavis
Maybe next time, maybe next time.
00:00:27
Aaron
Oh, okay.
00:00:27
Noah
Yeah.
00:00:28
Aaron
All right.
00:00:29
Noah
We're going to turn into a madman podcast.
00:00:29
Aaron
I can talk about this too. I can switch up. No, no, I'm sorry. Thank you for having me. I'm honored to be here. I don't know how many guests you've ever had on this show, but I'm honored to be a part of that list of it.
00:00:38
lauradavis
None.
00:00:39
Aaron
Oh, no. Oh, well that's even even bigger or bigger honor.
00:00:39
Noah
Yeah. That's first one. fun Yep.
00:00:41
Aaron
Thank you.
00:00:41
lauradavis
not We're glad to change it up a little bit.
00:00:44
Noah
Uh, Aaron, we'll see.
00:00:44
Aaron
your Your listeners will either hate this or love it. We'll find out.
00:00:48
lauradavis
All 13 of them, we have a loyal solid 12 following, so it's 12 plus my download, which I am very proud of. I love our solid dozen.
00:00:57
Noah
Hey, I'm working to get that to 14.
00:00:57
Aaron
hey
00:00:59
Noah
All right.
00:01:00
lauradavis
yeah I'm waiting. I'm checking Florida stats, sir.
00:01:04
Noah
I know. I know. I just haven't gotten into it. um I know Aaron. Aaron's technically my guest, um but I know Aaron from a little YouTube show that we
Aaron's YouTube Channel and Funny Stories
00:01:17
Noah
do. Aaron want to tell us more about that?
00:01:20
Aaron
Sure, yes. So the YouTube channel that i I run is called TMG Entertainment. There's no point in checking it out at this current time because it's been a bit since we've had consistent uploads. ah Life happens. ah But the YouTube channel is TMG Entertainment. ah The big ah thing that we were known for over the years is a show called Movie Battleground, ah which is essentially it's movie debates. It's we have a community of people who love all sorts of types of movies and we pit them against each other.
00:01:49
Aaron
and watch them argue to the extreme, ah which Noah has been a competitor of a number of times over the years. um And yeah, it's it's a lot of fun. um it's The most interesting part about it is in ah a way that's different from what you guys do, it is almost similar because it it is there's a level of deep analysis that goes into debating something. um I think one of the funniest interactions I've ever had was ah a mutual friend of ours told me that ah he had to fight. He had to debate against the thing in like three or four matches like it just it kind of panned out in a weird way where the thing got selected by his opponent in like three or four subsequent matches and having to watch it that many times with the mindset of like I have to fight against this almost made him question if he loved the movie.
00:02:39
lauradavis
So.
00:02:39
Aaron
And so I think that, I hope he loves it. I've apologized to him. I hope I haven't affected him too much. but ah so And I think that there's a different type of analysis that goes into it, but all the same it is that same type of analysis that you guys provide here. It's it's studying both the craft behind the movie and just the movie itself and what you are into and enjoy.
00:03:05
lauradavis
And Noah has shouted out that show before we got into a little mini debate when he had to talk about, I think it was this show, when he had to talk about aliens versus cowboys or cowboys and aliens with Harrison Ford.
Movie Discussions and Recommendations
00:03:19
Aaron
Oh.
00:03:19
lauradavis
Is that the platform you were on?
00:03:23
Noah
um I think it was. I honestly can't remember.
00:03:25
Aaron
That sounds like something I'd make him do. think
00:03:28
lauradavis
because I love that movie and he was like, I hate it. I had to study it for for this thing and I hate it.
00:03:32
Noah
you
00:03:34
Aaron
ah
00:03:36
Noah
It's the cheesiest thing.
00:03:36
Aaron
Yeah, that I can't lie. As as the person who who runs it, there's a a small twisted side of me that loves just throwing questions out there that force people to like pick something they wouldn't want to pick.
00:03:53
Aaron
ah Just because it it is it's so funny to watch people, especially if they have to defend something they don't like.
00:03:54
lauradavis
Aaron, I think
00:04:00
Aaron
like that is the fund That's really where you'll see the commitment from certain people. Because we have competitors that will lie to the nth degree.
00:04:11
Aaron
And it's like, even if they're so vocal that you know their opinion on something,
00:04:11
Noah
Absolutely.
00:04:16
Aaron
They are attempting to be so persuasive you might almost believe they've changed their opinion. um And then it'll end and they'll be like, that movie sucks.
00:04:21
lauradavis
You know, I think we will, Aaron, I think we'll get along because I like to challenge Noah on some of his opinions. So.
00:04:30
Noah
She does.
00:04:31
Aaron
All right, we're setting the tone.
00:04:32
Noah
And I'm i'm not good enough to defend myself.
00:04:37
lauradavis
It goes both ways. I think it goes both ways.
00:04:40
Noah
Yeah.
00:04:40
lauradavis
So.
00:04:41
Noah
Well, as an opportunity to make fun of each other for their likes and their dislikes, we're going to move on into what have you been watching lately. And Aaron, since you are a guest, I'm going to start with you.
00:04:52
Noah
What have you been watching lately? It could be good, bad, anything between.
00:04:55
Aaron
so So can I use this for an opportunity at a second cheap promotion?
00:05:01
Noah
Absolutely.
00:05:02
lauradavis
I'll allow it
00:05:02
Aaron
Oh, cool. So the other so we just uploaded the the first official episode on the channel. The other thing that I've been doing is more just a like a passion enjoyment for myself is ah to you know to keep The name does not make sense, but for branding purposes, we've started a show called Battleground Rundown, and the premise is myself and a guest who is generally more ah up on the topic that we've picked will put together a top 11 list for said topic. ah Why top 11? Because top 10 is something everyone's done, and top 12 is something someone particular that I know does, so right in the middle, 11.
00:05:40
Aaron
ah And so we count down topics on this list. ah Noah's already recorded a couple of episodes that'll go up over the next few months. so We did a Spider-Man episode way, way back ah that I've just held on to till we started uploading stuff.
00:05:54
Aaron
And then we also did an episode on directorial debuts. But the third one we're doing is Christopher Nolan. And I actually just watched Memento for the first time for that episode.
00:06:05
Noah
who
00:06:06
lauradavis
Wow.
00:06:06
Noah
o
00:06:09
Noah
That's a great, that's a great.
00:06:09
Aaron
Excellent film. I'm not going to try and joke right.
00:06:10
lauradavis
but
00:06:11
Aaron
It's an excellent, excellent film.
00:06:12
lauradavis
No, that's, an buts that film is iconic.
00:06:12
Aaron
it it's It's so good. um yeah like the And the scary thing is Nolan's filmography is so strong that there's genuinely a chance like it might, like I don't know where it'll fall, but if it doesn't even make top five, I feel like there are contenders that could help you understand why, but it should.
00:06:37
Aaron
like Nine out of 10 other directors, that's their best film they'll ever make. And the fact that it's his second movie and he has topped it since is just an incredible.
00:06:48
Noah
Yeah, he's an he's an incredible director and I can't wait to see what he has next.
00:06:49
lauradavis
Agreed.
00:06:55
Aaron
Part of me kind of, I mean, it'd be a waste of his time, but part of me does kind of wish he would just take that Bond film because I feel like he'd really get to go what he was trying to do with Tenet, but like have the license to to go to those places Whereas with Tenet, because he just, I don't think he wanted to rip off Bond, so time inversion, and well, now you're just stuck explaining what this is.
00:07:18
lauradavis
yeah that Yeah.
00:07:21
Aaron
Oh, that was that was a positive reaction.
00:07:21
lauradavis
I thought Tenet was great. It was one of those things where I had to literally shut off my brain and not try to figure it out, just enjoy the ride. Because I knew that if I sat there and tried to analyze it in the moment, it would have ruined the experience.
00:07:38
lauradavis
And it was an enjoyable film. I liked it.
00:07:41
Aaron
See, I did the opposite. I saw it three times in theaters because no no one else was in the theaters at that time. ah So i could I could get there and like figure, okay, I have it now.
00:07:49
lauradavis
Oh, yeah, that's. was Yeah, that was ah the first time we went back to the theater towards the end of that pandemic shut down.
00:08:02
lauradavis
Yeah.
00:08:02
Aaron
Yeah.
00:08:04
lauradavis
Oh, my goodness.
00:08:06
Aaron
It's weird that that's four years ago now.
00:08:08
Noah
oh Oh, yeah.
00:08:10
lauradavis
That's extremely weird.
00:08:12
Noah
I don't like thinking about that. That's maybe okay.
00:08:17
Noah
Anyway, Laura, what else have you been watching?
00:08:20
lauradavis
You know, I just finished a series that dropped on Netflix. It's an AMC show called Kevin Can-F himself.
00:08:26
Noah
Oh, nevermind.
00:08:30
Aaron
Oh, I've heard about this.
00:08:32
lauradavis
I wasn't going to watch it because the thumbnail on Netflix just made it look like a multicam sitcom. And who needs another one of those? Ended up watching the preview.
00:08:42
lauradavis
And if you don't know about it, I'll explain to you and to the audience that when the character Kevin, he's the goofy over-the-top husband that thinks he's funny, is in the shot.
00:08:55
lauradavis
It's the multi-cam sitcom style with the laugh track. And then as soon as he's out of the shot, it switches to a single-camera drama.
00:09:03
Noah
Hmm.
00:09:05
lauradavis
And it that it was like it was a great show.
00:09:06
Noah
Interesting.
00:09:09
lauradavis
It had two seasons. um
00:09:13
lauradavis
I don't want to go too much into it. In case you want to watch it, you can enjoy it. It's a, it's a study on filmmaking relationships, sitcoms, what we think is funny, the reality of what, you know, comedy that's been put out there for years, what it would look like transversed into the real world. It was a great show.
00:09:35
Aaron
And to to just ask for anyone out there who like this is a concern to you when watching shows, because it has become one, was this a two seasons like planned, like there's an ending or was this like two seasons and they canceled it?
00:09:48
lauradavis
The way that it wrapped up, I have to think it was planned.
00:09:53
Aaron
okay
00:09:56
lauradavis
Because the last episode was phenomenal. It gave me everything I wanted leading up to the ending of the show. No complaints.
00:10:05
Noah
Okay.
00:10:07
Aaron
Yeah, i've I've heard Kevin James.
00:10:07
Noah
What was the title of that again?
00:10:10
lauradavis
Kevin can F himself and it has the
00:10:12
Noah
Okay. Sorry, Aaron.
00:10:15
lauradavis
as the F word like bleeped out. um There's a lot of background to why they made the show a controversy in Hollywood with um who's the the guy that was on King of Queens? I can't remember his name. Kevin James, it's literally like the other show that he was trying to do.
00:10:35
lauradavis
where he's a lovable goofball husband. They, after the first season, I think killed off his wife because they decided that actress wasn't good for the show. And then they just kind of skipped over all the sad things and then reintroduced another love interest, which was is actually Leah Remini. And it caused like this big controversy Hollywood drama.
00:10:57
lauradavis
um with that. So they took that and ran with it into this, and into this show, Kevin Keneff himself. So fascinating show, fascinating backstories to why they did it.
00:11:08
Aaron
See, it's it's fun. see I didn't know that part of the backstory of it, but I think it's hilarious that that's what inspired it because I'm going to be honest with you. The first time I heard that title, my thought was i was Kevin James back on CBS or something like is that it doesn't.
00:11:20
lauradavis
Yeah. and That's why and that's why I didn't watch it because I was like, oh, it's another one of these slapstick shows that I, you know, maybe I liked some of them back in the heyday of them, you know, but we don't need another one. And I was pleasantly surprised that it was something this deep and thought provoking.
00:11:42
lauradavis
And maybe game-changing, we'll see. it's It was on AMC a couple of years ago, and they just put it on Netflix, so now it's got a much wider audience. So we'll see what happens, what comes from that, if anything.
00:11:55
Noah
Awesome. That ah looks interesting, but I saw the description because I looked up looked it up on Netflix um and it may be something I have to add to my list. We have anything else?
00:12:09
lauradavis
um Nothing of note, I think.
00:12:14
Noah
Okay.
00:12:15
lauradavis
Well, I might interrupt you because I'm going to go and check my like just watched list and see. ah Laura forgets things, just so you know, Erin.
00:12:29
Noah
Oh, there is another.
00:12:29
Aaron
I would I would I would love if like the movie she's forgotten is like I just watched Lawrence of Arabia or something like immense just slipped my mind.
00:12:35
Noah
good
00:12:38
lauradavis
That is actually on brand of me. So I did start watching Uglies, which is new on Netflix.
00:12:43
Noah
Oh, yeah.
00:12:44
lauradavis
It's not very good.
00:12:48
lauradavis
I got maybe halfway through and I was like, this is kind of dumb. Like the premise is fantastic, but the execution is wanting.
00:12:56
Noah
I saw all the reviews on letterbox and I don't think it was above a two.
00:12:56
Aaron
I just
00:13:02
lauradavis
No, it's really not worth your time unless you just want to turn like into, you know, at the end of the day and not think about anything.
00:13:10
Aaron
I just saw Joey King's face on Netflix and thought, good for her for getting another paycheck.
00:13:15
lauradavis
Yeah, well, I watched her other movie, um the one with Zac Efron and
00:13:25
Aaron
Oh, yeah.
00:13:26
lauradavis
And that one was was that one was really cute.
00:13:27
Aaron
I don't remember the name of it.
00:13:29
lauradavis
I liked that one. that I mean, nothing notable, but I enjoyed it.
00:13:35
Noah
Oh, the one with Nicole Kidman as well.
00:13:38
lauradavis
Yes.
00:13:39
Noah
Okay. Jacqueline had it all in the background at one point and you know how husbands can be.
00:13:40
lauradavis
Yes.
00:13:44
Noah
Oh, I'm not interested in that. And we ended up like background watching it anyway.
00:13:48
lauradavis
and and Just standing there, you're not committed by sitting, you stand and then you stand the whole time.
00:13:49
Aaron
Dude,
00:13:53
lauradavis
Yes, we know.
00:13:54
Aaron
ah my my mom single, so my mom, keep on my mom started watching the show, is not a fan of it. But because my dad will just like stand there and then sit down and watch anything he watches, she watches, he is now the world's biggest Bridgerton fan.
00:14:10
lauradavis
stop
00:14:14
Aaron
The good thing he doesn't know anything about the internet, he'll never hear that I said that. but
00:14:20
lauradavis
I won't, I won't tattle.
00:14:26
lauradavis
Oh, I like Only Murders in the Building. I'm catching up on that new season. That's a really fun show. I like the Martin Short, Steve Martin duo.
00:14:35
Noah
Mm hmm.
00:14:37
lauradavis
Yeah.
00:14:37
Noah
I definitely need to to watch that. I've heard it's very good and it's it's for now, it's just getting lost in all the other good TV shows that I need to watch the bear.
00:14:42
lauradavis
It is. Yeah. I haven't watched that yet. I'm sorry.
00:14:51
Noah
It's OK, I haven't either.
00:14:54
lauradavis
I don't even know if I'll get to it.
00:14:55
Aaron
Same.
00:14:56
lauradavis
Yeah.
00:14:56
Noah
No.
00:14:57
lauradavis
ah cute The more that people like rave about it and push it, the more my like oppositional defiance is like, maybe not. But I know I'll watch it eventually.
00:15:10
Noah
Well, I'm going to talk about Netflix today. um I think everything that I've watched is on Netflix. The first one I'm going to rave about is a show called Chaos with a K.
00:15:23
lauradavis
Oh, I was going to ask you if you were going to watch that.
00:15:24
Aaron
Oh, the goblin.
00:15:26
Noah
Yes, I watched.
00:15:26
lauradavis
I had a feeling you would be jumping on that.
00:15:29
Noah
I did. um I watched the entire season, I think in two days, two or three.
00:15:36
lauradavis
Cool.
00:15:36
Noah
um It is Greek mythology in today's world, basically. um And I'm not talking about on a level of Percy Jackson. I'm talking like the gods still hold prevalent power in the society that's pictured, the human society that's pictured. um You're kind of watching a lot of these.
00:16:00
Noah
mythical agreed myth ah um mythological characters interact. um Orpheus plays a play a role and there's a couple other like human names that I just can't remember right now that are prevalent in Greek myths. um But it's it's sort of like the precursor to the Greek downfall of the Greek gods. um And Jeff Goldblum plays Zeus. And there's some other names in there that I'm just blanking on right now. um But I think he's the most notable one. And he plays the most
00:16:38
Noah
Jeff Cole blew me Zeus, but also terrifying in a way like a like ah this being is is childish, but has this immense power and anger and will just kill people on a whim kind of thing.
00:16:55
Noah
And it's just it was just a good watch. I don't know if I can say too much more without spoiling anything, but it was a.
00:17:03
lauradavis
Well, it's got Jeff Goldblum in it, so it's gonna be unhinged.
00:17:06
Noah
Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is definitely unhinged. There are some. Some really weird moments that happen, like gory moments that or or um horrific moments turn comedic, but then it totally shifts into serious matters. And I honestly, I think it does it well. I think it works.
00:17:27
Noah
I know that was a complaint for some people is that it it just felt too mish-mashed tonally, um but it worked for me. So yeah, go check it out. It's on Netflix.
00:17:40
Aaron
I was going to say, i looked i looked I looked it up for, yeah I think the only name on here that people would immediately make a connection to is ah for Harry Potter fans.
00:17:40
lauradavis
I think I ran it.
00:17:48
Aaron
David Fuelis is in it.
00:17:50
Noah
Yes, I forgot he plays Hades. And I love David Thule. I want to see him with more stuff, but yeah, he's in there.
00:18:00
Noah
um The next thing I want to talk about is I'm going to just crap all over this movie. yes It's called The Deliverance.
00:18:05
Aaron
Do it.
00:18:09
Noah
It's a I think a twenty twenty four release.
00:18:11
lauradavis
oh Oh no.
00:18:11
Aaron
I've heard of this. I've heard of this movie.
00:18:17
Noah
It's a it's a supernatural ghost sort of possession horror movie. um And I was. Sort of with the movie. Until the end. um It was it was very brutal in the way like the characters would talk to each other and communicate. um And it at some points, it was hard to watch these characters, especially the mother. But it felt very real.
00:18:46
Noah
And then the ending just bulldozes any sort of hope and enjoyment that you had and throughout the entire movie into something that's just ah cartoonish.
00:18:59
Noah
I'm going to spoil it because it had me rolling and I just I can't not talk about it.
00:19:02
lauradavis
Yeah, cool.
00:19:04
Noah
ah yeah At the ending.
00:19:04
lauradavis
Go ahead.
00:19:07
Noah
um in order to fight the demon or ghost or whatever that's possessing her son this character uh this is gonna sound very blasphemous i'm i'm trying not to be but this character receives the power of god and then in in this moment where she receives the power she starts doing the the conversing in languages or the um the the gift of tongues but the way that it's depicted is just absolutely hilarious she starts just mumbling and and rambling in the in this language that just sounds ridiculous and i couldn't hold back my laughter it was the funniest thing but in a bad way um and i just
00:19:49
lauradavis
oh No.
00:19:57
Noah
Again, like throughout the movie, I was like, okay, this is and like keeping my interest a little bit. Um, but I just, it just fell apart so bad.
00:20:10
lauradavis
I accidentally saw a couple clips on social media from some of the worst parts of that movie and that kind of gave me all I needed to know. So good for you for committing to watching the whole thing.
00:20:22
Noah
It has. It's got a very funny Glen close or Glenn. That's your name, right? Glenn Close. um Line reading.
00:20:29
lauradavis
Yeah.
00:20:31
Noah
That's been that clip has been grabbed a bunch of times.
00:20:31
lauradavis
Uh-huh.
00:20:37
lauradavis
Oh, yeah.
00:20:39
Aaron
i'm sorry I'm sorry, I'm staring at my phone. I was trying to find, I came across an Instagram page, that like an Instagram movie review page and I was trying to find it real quick to try and credit it. But ah the director of the film, ah Lee Daniels, so it was this Instagram page, gave it like a bad review and someone must have sent it to Lee Daniels. Cause he hopped in the comment section and started like, I i wouldn't say he was necessarily like,
00:21:06
Aaron
fighting the reviewer about the film, but was more like, well, it's got this many views on Netflix and people are leaving good reviews there. So like, your opinion doesn't matter.
00:21:14
lauradavis
Oh.
00:21:15
Aaron
I'm like, dude, calm down.
00:21:17
lauradavis
oh oh Oh, goodness.
00:21:17
Aaron
It's okay.
00:21:22
Noah
Yeah. So if you want, if you want to laugh and just completely waste your time and go watch it, but if if you want a good horror movie, do not watch that one.
00:21:23
Aaron
i wish I wish I had the name. I wanted to give it credit, but there's also a chance I found the page and they took it down, ah but that'd be funny.
00:21:44
Noah
um and The last thing I want to talk about is ah and and a movie called Rebel Ridge um It is stars Aaron Pierre I want to say his name is and then the other name that um Someone might recognize is Don Johnson who plays a police chief um It is a very good movie it's very simple it's Sort of a wrench movie
00:21:51
Aaron
Yes.
00:21:57
Aaron
Yes.
00:22:11
Noah
In a sense, um this guy is trying to get his brother out of jail and this police station is making his life very difficult. And it's about that confrontation and that conflict and which it just sets up perfectly for a premise. And Aaron Pierre, I think, just stands out. I think he's going to be
00:22:39
Noah
Seen a lot more movies. He just has his presence about him. I don't know what it is. His line delivery is excellent. He's very intimidating when he needs to be, but a gentleman and.
00:22:51
Noah
I don't know. He's just he's just a very good actor. And I enjoyed watching him on screen. And this movie was completely captivating, starting from. From the first, the first one of my first frame, I can't speak right now. I can never speak. ah But the first frame, I was just completely captivated by this movie and drawn in. It's engaging and it's very interesting. Please go watch it.
00:23:20
Aaron
Yeah, and for, oh, sorry.
00:23:21
lauradavis
And where is that on Netflix?
00:23:23
Noah
yes it's also on
00:23:24
lauradavis
That one's also on Netflix.
00:23:25
Noah
like
00:23:25
lauradavis
Okay, awesome.
00:23:28
Aaron
I was going to say, because I was looking him up for something the other day, I was talking with someone, ah the the actor Aaron Pierre. ah He is potentially going to have the opportunity to break through at a larger mainstream level, because obviously ah he's He's the star of Rebel Ridge, which for people who don't know, a couple of years ago, it was publicized that John Boyega was supposed to be in this Netflix action film and then dropped out.
00:23:50
Noah
Yes, it's also on Netflix. Yeah. yeah
00:23:54
Aaron
This is that movie. ah Aaron Pierre is his replacement. ah But Aaron Pierre is also the star of the upcoming Disney film Mufasa the Lion King. He is playing Mufasa.
00:24:05
Aaron
ah And he was also just recently, for anyone who watches ah Apple TV, He was just added to the cast of The Morning Show, The Jennifer Aniston Show, for the next season next year.
00:24:15
lauradavis
Mm hmm.
00:24:17
Aaron
And keep in mind, he's being added to a cast that already has like a great ensemble, but alongside names like Marion Cotillard, Jeremy Irons, ah for The Good Place fans, William Jackson Harper joined the show.
00:24:29
Aaron
So like he is the rookie amongst that group, but he is already in good company. ah So I think as long as The projects are good. I think you'll have ah a real shot at breaking through on a further level. Obviously, Mufasa, that remains to be seen.
00:24:44
Aaron
but
00:24:46
lauradavis
Yeah, well, he's got big shoes to fill for sure.
00:24:50
Noah
Yeah, rest in peace.
00:24:51
Aaron
even Even bigger now, yeah.
00:24:53
Noah
Yeah.
00:24:53
lauradavis
Yeah, good for him. That's awesome.
00:24:58
Noah
Does anyone else have any other recommends or dissuasions you would like to say?
00:24:58
lauradavis
I'm trying.
00:25:05
lauradavis
I had thought of a recommendation yesterday and as I am, I forgot.
00:25:13
Noah
This is why you need to get letterbox so you can track what you watch.
00:25:13
Aaron
Oh, I was so busy ah promoting myself earlier.
00:25:17
lauradavis
Don't give me more tasks.
00:25:22
Aaron
I buried the lead on the the real big thing. Because ah how soon do these upload, do you mind if I ask, after you record them?
00:25:29
Noah
I think the plan is pretty soon, right?
00:25:32
lauradavis
ah You know, I don't have an outro to edit into here or an intro, so I can probably even just set it to upload tomorrow. So for posterity today is September 24th, 2024.
00:25:42
Aaron
OK.
00:25:45
Aaron
Well, the reason I say that is because depending on when this uploaded, the movie would already be in theaters. But ah I got to see an early screening of Megalopolis last night. And it is it's the new Francis Ford Coppola film.
00:25:54
Noah
Okay.
00:25:54
lauradavis
<unk>lopolis I need to remind myself what that is. Is it awesome?
00:26:03
Noah
Storing Adam Driver.
00:26:03
lauradavis
That's right.
00:26:05
Aaron
it It is everything you've heard it is and probably a little more.
00:26:05
lauradavis
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:11
Aaron
um
00:26:12
lauradavis
Awesome.
00:26:14
Aaron
It's, look, here's what I'll say. I i don't think it's completely without merit. um and And obviously, there's so there's been a lot made in the press about the things that Francis Ford Coppola has said while promoting this film. ah The screening that I saw last night came with a live stream of a Q and&A he was doing ah from the New York Film Festival, which by the way, the most random panel you could put together for a Q and&A, it was Francis Ford Coppola, but then instead of having any of the numerous cast members in this movie there.
00:26:45
Aaron
He was joined by Robert De Niro and Spike Lee. It was the most random trio you could have put together for this promo.
00:26:49
Noah
Okay.
00:26:54
Aaron
um But clearly, ah in a like ah ah political sense, Francis Ford Coppola feels very motivated by what's happening in the world right now.
00:27:06
Aaron
And I would keep that in mind when watching the film because it is messy and there are some really bad performing Shia LaBeouf, I don't even know what he was trying to do with the character he's playing in this movie.
00:27:20
Aaron
I'm not gonna say Aubrey Plaza was necessarily bad, but she's another one where it feels like you're in a totally different film compared to everybody else in this movie.
00:27:20
lauradavis
Hmm.
00:27:29
Aaron
But there is passion behind it. And at the very least, I think you have to give him that like, this was not I'm going to blow 120 million dollars and make like what I want to make. Like he very clearly had a motivation behind wanting to make this film. He does have something he wants to say. And I think at the very least it gives some merit. It gives the movie a little bit more merit than like some empty vapid blockbuster that's not has nothing to say, isn't good, is a mess. Like there is a little more to it than that. um Do I recommend you go see it this weekend?
00:28:05
Aaron
um I'm going to say yes, only because the box office projections are looking abysmal and he's got a lot of money to make up, so.
00:28:15
lauradavis
um I would caution people to look at the parents guide on IMDB to make sure that the content is that the content is in a line is in a line with your own um standards and
00:28:20
Aaron
Oh, oh, don't bring your kids. Don't bring your kids.
00:28:30
Aaron
Yes, please, don't don't bring your kids to this.
00:28:30
lauradavis
ah No.
00:28:34
lauradavis
As soon as I heard Francis Ford Coppola, I was like, well, let's just see which kind of Coppola movie it is.
00:28:38
Aaron
from From minute one, you will regret bringing kids to this.
00:28:40
lauradavis
And it's what I suspected.
00:28:44
Aaron
I promise you don't.
00:28:44
lauradavis
Oh, no, absolutely. I would not bring my kids to any rated R movie, but um I'm only in charge of my kids. So.
00:28:56
Noah
Well, I'm looking on.
00:28:56
Aaron
if you're If you're the adventurous kind, please still don't bring them to this.
00:29:03
Aaron
at At worst, they will take away something you don't want, and at best, they'll be very bored. So.
00:29:10
Noah
Well, I'm looking on letterbox right now, and the the scores for the movie are spread out very evenly.
00:29:18
Aaron
Yeah, it's very polarizing.
00:29:20
Noah
It's very it is very polarizing, so. Probably going to love it or hate it.
00:29:27
Aaron
You know what, though, I will say watching the Q and&A, I'll give Francis some credit because he even acknowledged in the Q and&A, like, I've had tons of reactions from people who have seen this movie already, and people have loved it, and people have hated it. But at least people have seen it, and that just is what it is. And like, I'll give them some, because I feel like the thing in Hollywood is like, as people get older, they become really curmudgeon-y. And I feel like there's a, I mean, there's probably some of that in there. Certainly De Niro at times looked like, why am I here? But,
00:30:00
Aaron
No, there's definitely a spirited passion behind what he's doing with the movie. So whether or not it works for you or in a political sense, whether or not you align with the way that he thinks, I do think at least the movie is trying to have a conversation about all of it. And it's not trying to exclude anyone in that sense. So there is so again, there's some merit to it, but mileage will vary on how much you actually like the movie.
00:30:27
Noah
Well, I think that's it for what we've watched. And I think we're going to move into the main segment and we're going to talk about Mike Flanagan's movie.
Initial Thoughts on 'Hush'
00:30:37
Noah
Hush.
00:30:38
Noah
General thoughts. Did you like it? Did you love it? Did you hate it? What'd you think Aaron? I think we'll, we can go with you or it sounded like Laura, you had something to say.
00:30:47
Aaron
Yeah, no, Laura, jump in.
00:30:48
lauradavis
you heard You heard my intake.
00:30:48
Aaron
I just, I spoke a lot.
00:30:51
Noah
Yeah, I did yeah get ready to speak.
00:30:53
Aaron
but
00:30:56
lauradavis
I think overall it was enjoyable for ah the movie that it is. I have some critiques. um I am not a slasher film fan. So the fact that this wasn't like completely over the top, um I appreciated that. Well, I didn't enjoy the violence. um I liked the movie for what it was.
00:31:17
lauradavis
And I don't think I'd watch it again, but I think it was like 85% well done.
00:31:17
Noah
Right.
00:31:26
Noah
Okay. So out of five stars, five being nice, what would you give it?
00:31:31
lauradavis
Like 375.
00:31:33
Noah
Okay. Okay. Aaron, what about you?
00:31:38
Aaron
Yeah, I enjoyed it. um It's very simple. It's very straightforward.
00:31:44
lauradavis
Mm hmm.
00:31:45
Aaron
There's not a lot of meat here. um It kind of reminds me of, I don't know if either of you have seen this film, but ah Don't Breathe, which I think actually came out around the same time this originally did.
00:31:57
Aaron
um It reminds me a lot of that, but whereas don't breathe is like pushing two hours. And it spends a lot of the movie kind of building this lore and this mythology of the guy that's trying to kill them. And it like really tries to delve into into failures and successes. It tries to delve into this like deep background. This movie is just really simple. it This guy is clearly sadistic. He's clearly sick in the head and he enjoys what he's doing. And that's it. It doesn't really need much more than that. um
00:32:30
Aaron
Otherwise, I think the performances are really what carry it through. like Every actor, even the ones that are only in it for a couple scenes, they're committed to the part they have to play, and that does a lot to help sell the film.
00:32:43
lauradavis
I think that was part of why I liked it is that it was really straightforward. And it was, you know, this is is the situation that we're in, how is she going to get out of it? um Is she going to survive? And they didn't try too much, which I appreciated.
00:33:01
Noah
Yeah. Honestly, though, the it did feel a little long to me, which is kind of crazy because this movie is already but close to 90 minutes long, which is not bad for movies nowadays.
00:33:13
Aaron
It's 80 minutes, I think.
00:33:15
Noah
Yeah.
00:33:15
Aaron
Why?
00:33:16
Noah
But I don't know.
00:33:17
lauradavis
How did it feel? Where did where did you get bored? where Which point in the movie were you like, this should be done by now? Because I didn't ever get to that.
00:33:28
Noah
I don't think it was so so much, ah this movie needs to be done. It was a, okay, I feel like we're retreading the same stuff at this point, you know?
00:33:37
Aaron
Yes.
00:33:38
Noah
um
00:33:42
Noah
Maybe, yeah.
00:33:42
lauradavis
So the progression, you needed more progression.
00:33:45
Noah
Yeah, but like that that last 20 minutes, I thoroughly enjoyed to where she started having that internal dialogue with herself.
00:33:50
lauradavis
Mhm.
00:33:55
Noah
But overall, i I enjoy the movie. I gave it three out of five on letterbox, which go follow me on letterbox.
00:34:02
lauradavis
Mhm.
00:34:02
Noah
I gave it three out of five. I enjoyed it.
00:34:06
lauradavis
Mhm.
00:34:06
Noah
But like you, Laura, I don't think I don't have a burning desire to go watch this again, mainly because it doesn't. propel you to like think any deeper, you know, or look at the be on a deeper level.
00:34:22
Noah
It's, it's just enjoyment, honestly, for 80 minutes long, just watch this person try not to die and and try to escape her house with with a very interesting premise, I think is, is she's she's deaf, she's got a very severe handicap in the situation, how does she overcome it?
00:34:37
Aaron
Yeah.
00:34:40
Noah
And then I think towards the end, they use that to the full, fullest it can be.
00:34:48
Aaron
Yeah, it's ah it definitely feels like because obviously and with you guys and and the exposure you have to his shows, I'm sure what I'm about to say goes even deeper for that. But as ah a writer and a director, it feels like Flanagan likes to immerse himself in the worlds that he is creating.
00:35:07
Aaron
I mean, even because before I watched the movie, the only thing I knew about this movie was that it was like it was a home invasion film and that it's at midnight mass.
00:35:18
Aaron
Is that the show that's spun off of the story that she's like writing in this? And so part part of me, like even just knowing that piece of information, part of me thought like
00:35:24
Noah
Yes.
00:35:25
lauradavis
Yeah.
00:35:31
Aaron
Oh, so like the story she's writing has to play some major part. And it really doesn't. I mean, it really is clearly like just thought of words to put on a page and then built a show out of that somehow after the fact. um But this feels like a guy who puts all of himself into his work, just very purposely trying to do something straightforward and simple and executing it as well as as one can. um Because I do agree with you, Noah. There's the pieces in the middle where when they're doing this back and forth of like, I'm assuming we're going in just talk about the movie, right?
00:36:05
Aaron
Go into the details of it.
00:36:07
lauradavis
Yeah, go for it.
00:36:07
Noah
Yeah, I think we're we're all good with general thoughts.
00:36:08
Aaron
Yeah. So like, in the middle, there's a couple of set pieces where they're, you know, like, it's, she's in the house, she's moving around, and then she steps outside for a second, and he catches it and attack, and they do that like two or three times.
00:36:22
Aaron
And it really only felt like one of them had any kind of impact when she gets shot with the arrow. Other than that, it did just feel like, okay, we're like almost like this movie has to reach a certain runtime, but there's nothing more that they could have put in. Like I almost feel like it would have benefited, not that I think the runtime is bad in any way, but I feel like they could have benefited either by some adding something just a little more to it or
00:36:55
Aaron
cutting and making it shorter. um I don't, so I'm trying to remember, I don't think this was originally produced with intent to go to streaming. I think Netflix bought it afterwards.
00:37:07
Aaron
And I think maybe that's part of the effect on it is like, if you're sending a movie to theaters, like if you want any chance of making money in it, there has to be it has to be just long enough to justify buying the ticket.
00:37:18
Aaron
But obviously, with something like this, you don't want it to be two and a half hours because that'd just be insane.
00:37:20
Noah
Mm hmm.
00:37:24
lauradavis
I would have gone a little stir crazy if it's one set, one situation for two and a half hours.
Analysis of 'Hush' Killer
00:37:32
lauradavis
I i would not have lasted.
00:37:36
Noah
Yeah, especially with how small that house felt, um which I think is a ah bennet like a a good thing to say about the movie is I think they played with the layout of the house very well and you could really feel where you were in the position and everything like that. But again, if the runtime were any longer in a house that was that small or comparatively to other set pieces, then it would have gone very difficult to watch.
00:38:12
Aaron
Yeah, it I feel like it there it's like bordering the line of um like the the limitations that exist by making your lead character deaf mute. and then And it's like, how can this create a unique feeling for the movie? But then also, what can't we do with it? And I think the what can't we do side, it limits the interactions that the two of them can have.
00:38:43
Aaron
Because I think when she gets to interact with John Gallagher as the killer, I think they have great interactions. And I think especially both of them, because they're they're mostly silent, their facial acting is really, really strong. And
00:39:00
Aaron
it's selling the what they're doing. But you can't unfortunately have the bulk of a movie be like lipstick wall writing or I mean, taking out your own blood is pretty hardcore. But you can't do that more than once and still continue to have the impact. And so again, there's that limitation that exists. So here's a cool concept. We can only go so far with this. But of that being said, even with the limitation, I still think they managed to get a lot of entertainment out of this, because I feel like Thinking about it from a writer's perspective, like the other trap you could do is you could just have more people show up to the house, but then I think that starts to become repetitive as well.
00:39:39
Noah
Right.
00:39:40
lauradavis
I did like the addition of the neighbor's boyfriend coming over looking for her the addition of a new character the hope that she's going to be saved. um I knew he was he she wasn't not by him I knew you know it's kind of obvious that she has to save herself.
00:39:57
lauradavis
um I do wish with, I think the killer's credit, he's called the man. I wish he had a little bit more to him in. Um, okay. For example, he's teasing her. He's saying, I'm not going to come in yet, but I will. And then in the scenes where she's coming outside, he looks like he's still trying to figure a way in.
00:40:27
Noah
okay yeah
00:40:28
lauradavis
So that felt a little, I don't know, they could have done more with that. I think I don't know what, but it was off putting a little for him to to say, you know, I'm going to come in and get you on my time.
00:40:46
lauradavis
But then when she's outside and we see him, it looks like he's still trying to figure out how to get in when basically all the doors are glass.
00:40:52
Noah
Okay, yeah. and And then like looking for her as well, like, Oh, where is she?
00:40:54
Aaron
yeah he's yeah
00:40:56
lauradavis
And he's still trying to figure out where in the house she is, right? So as far as like him being more like, I don't know, having a a more of a cat in the cat and mouse scenario, that fell a little bit short. And I would have appreciated, I think. So in ah there's a few times where she hurts him pretty badly. And he kind of screams like a...
00:41:26
lauradavis
You know, like she, she hurts him, but he's stabbing people and he's like whining like a, I don't want to say like a girl, but that's essentially how he comes off is like, he can't handle it. And I'm like, I kind of wish that he had been more, um, I don't know how to explain it more.
00:41:44
lauradavis
I don't want to say manly, but like, like leaned into it.
00:41:46
Aaron
like, um,
00:41:48
lauradavis
Okay. Like if he had leaned into that and responded.
00:41:51
Noah
Mm hmm.
00:41:53
lauradavis
a little like this is part of the game like yeah you got me but instead he he screamed and it i i think ah i don't know if you if you know what i mean then chime in because
00:42:06
Noah
Well, I think I do.
00:42:07
Aaron
i feel i feel like ah feel like almost like um to compare it to a different film. Have you guys seen ah The Guest with Dan Stevens?
00:42:20
Noah
Um, I don't know.
00:42:20
lauradavis
i I'm not sure I have, but sometimes I'm wrong.
00:42:24
Aaron
it's a so it's it's a I guess technically it's kind of a home invasion movie, but not really. It's a it's done by Adam Wingard, and it's Dan Stevens plays this guy with like a mysterious past who sort of infiltrates and gains the trust of this family, and then goes on a bit of a spree once they sort of start to learn more what he's about but there's like this all like he's almost enjoying it so much that he like this like cool guy effect that he has at the start of the film still persists throughout the entirety of it even when he is like now just a killer and I feel like maybe you needed almost a little bit more of that like he's clearly toying with her and he's clearly enjoying this but like
00:43:09
Aaron
You're right, like there there is something about the fact that he just, I mean, presumably hours just spent circling this one house, like waiting to, I feel like when you take it out of the context of a film and you start to actually think about the scenario, it becomes more and more ridiculous, which I guess is why it works as a movie and not, you know, you don't see people doing this in real life.
00:43:31
lauradavis
I'd hope not, my goodness.
00:43:35
Aaron
Sure there's someone who who thinks they could, but they would they wouldn't last long.
00:43:39
lauradavis
No.
00:43:41
Noah
Well, this is a character who is obvious obviously sort of a weasel. He takes pleasure in um putting grant like having power over individuals, and he knows his own limitations, especially with that confrontation with the boyfriend.
00:43:51
lauradavis
You're right. Yeah.
00:44:00
lauradavis
I think that's kind of what I was getting at is that he's more, of he's got more of a weak constitution.
00:44:00
Noah
his ah
00:44:05
lauradavis
I guess he can dish it out, but he can't take it. And I think he would have been scarier if he could take it and he reveled in it a little bit in the process of what he was trying to do.
00:44:16
Noah
almost like a, yeah oh wow, why am I forgetting? Michael, Michael from Halloween, right?
00:44:24
Aaron
OK, like one of those, but with a like with a personality.
00:44:29
Noah
Yeah.
00:44:31
Aaron
Yeah, I can see it.
00:44:33
Noah
What about
00:44:33
lauradavis
I do like that he revealed his face so there's like he's not just the mask the whole time.
00:44:39
Noah
Yeah, that that was I thought that was pretty a good choice because I thought he did a good job with his face and everything like that.
00:44:52
Aaron
Yeah.
00:44:52
Noah
Do you guys have any go ahead?
00:44:52
Aaron
it's ah it's I was going to say, it's a great way to establish early that like he he does see this as a game. like she's trying to i Because in all reality, what she's doing is she's trying to give a psycho a chance to just get away with it and walk away, like even with the other murder. Like, hey, just ble like you can leave. It's fine. like we don't have to keep you know And to to respond by like, oh, you haven't seen my face? Well, here's my face. i think is a And again,
00:45:21
Aaron
Part of me wonders if maybe that's the limitation of having a character who can't speak. You can only have them do interactions like that so many times. So it may be... Yeah, I guess it's just one of the pitfalls of like her being deaf and mute creates some really the potential for some really interesting set pieces, but then it also limits them in other areas. And I think it's just, it's kind of, you ah you die by the sword, I guess.
00:45:48
Aaron
like they made a choice and they have to go with it.
00:45:52
Noah
Yeah. Do you guys have any other negatives? Is the film that you want to talk about?
00:46:01
Aaron
No, honestly, because I actually do think like the the little bits of action that are in I think are really well done. I think it's a ah very realistic take on how somebody would, like if you have to physically confront someone who's doing to this, I think it's ah it's a very natural response the way that the action sort of choreographed in it. um I think he does do a great job even during the moments where you're kind of like recycling the same idea over and over. I think he does a great job at keeping the tension up the entire time. It's There's just enough of a release, but you're still kind of on edge waiting for it to kick off again.
00:46:32
lauradavis
Yeah.
00:46:37
Aaron
um And I do think the highlight of the movie is when the the boyfriend pulls up. ah Because again, you you when a ah John Gallagher, the actor who plays the killer, when he gets to actually like talk to someone and interact with someone, I think you get a little bit more of like what it is you're looking for with this character.
00:46:59
Aaron
Um, because you get to sort of see him try and play this situation, but then also, you know, as, uh, you said, Laura, like there's that element of like, Oh, he's kind of like, he doesn't have the confidence to stand up to and even admits, right?
00:47:13
Aaron
Like he's like, I would have lost it to you if, if it had come to this.
00:47:14
lauradavis
Right, right.
00:47:17
Aaron
So I'm like wheezing my way out of this.
00:47:17
lauradavis
Right, so he's not, yeah, he's not stupid. He's smart and he's done it before, probably even before the neighbor. So we can, it's a little bit established that he's a serial killer and finding that this woman in this house alone is deaf made it interesting and um a new situation for him.
00:47:26
Aaron
Hmm.
00:47:37
lauradavis
So I think that's, I guess that was part of why he didn't just go in the house straight away. which again is kind of why I was disappointed when there wasn't more of a deviousness to him on the outside, like the cat part of the cat and mouse.
00:47:51
lauradavis
So I'm just repeating myself. But I have a question. When he cut the power to the house, why didn't her cell phone work just on cell service?
00:48:02
lauradavis
Like what? I i really don't know if I missed something.
00:48:06
Noah
I didn't think about that.
00:48:08
lauradavis
Like, why wasn't she able to just make a call out?
00:48:08
Aaron
I'm assuming it's middle I'm assuming it's middle of the woods.
00:48:14
lauradavis
She makes a 911 call. There's the scene where her dead neighbor's outside the window. She's trying to get to her phone. Why didn't her own cell phone work? I either missed it or they just are ignoring it.
00:48:26
Noah
I think what happened is that he had taken her phone and then she was using her laptop, which I don't think can get cell service.
00:48:36
Noah
But I could be remembering wrong.
00:48:37
Aaron
That could be Does she get her phone back when he takes it? I forget. Does she get her phone back?
00:48:41
lauradavis
I don't remember who's, she uses a phone at the very end to call 911.
00:48:41
Noah
but Because he takes pictures.
00:48:46
lauradavis
That's that last shot of her sitting on the porch after she calls.
00:48:48
Noah
Yeah.
00:48:49
Aaron
that's that's her I believe that's her friend. She takes it off the friends.
00:48:53
lauradavis
Right. So what happened to her phone is my question.
00:48:57
Noah
I know he took it off the counter.
00:48:57
lauradavis
Oh, he was in the house.
00:48:57
Aaron
Well, he took it.
00:48:58
lauradavis
If he took it. Okay. So I missed the part where he was, so he was, I remember he was in the house. So he took her phone while she was on the FaceTime call with her sister.
00:49:04
Aaron
Yeah.
00:49:06
lauradavis
Got it.
00:49:06
Aaron
Yeah, because he was taking the pictures and sending them through her own number to her.
00:49:07
lauradavis
Okay.
00:49:11
lauradavis
Right.
00:49:11
Noah
Damn.
00:49:12
lauradavis
Got it.
00:49:13
Aaron
Which by the way, can I say, I don't know very many people out there who use the function of texting yourself something. I have used it specifically through Facebook because if I need to send, if I'm like saving images for the purposes of editing, I'll send it from my phone to myself.
00:49:31
Aaron
So I have it on my computer. I don't know why that function exists. But it's so it's a great, like, it's a really funny thing to like work into this movie of like, yeah, you can text yourself so you can take her phone and text the number he's on and it will show up on her computer because it's all connected.
00:49:48
lauradavis
Yeah, I email things to myself.
00:49:49
Aaron
I don't know, I just thought, yeah, no, it's it's a great it's a great way to get something at other places.
00:49:51
Noah
Yeah, all the time.
00:49:53
lauradavis
Yeah.
00:49:55
Aaron
But I just thought it was really funny that that's the way he went about it is like, oh, I'm gonna use her phone to do it.
00:49:56
lauradavis
That was funny.
00:50:01
lauradavis
Okay, I have another question towards the end where she's in the bathroom and she's like kind of taking a breather and then he's in the bathtub behind her.
00:50:04
Noah
Yeah.
00:50:13
lauradavis
What did I miss?
00:50:16
Noah
I think there's a window.
00:50:17
Aaron
Uh, there's a skylight.
00:50:20
Noah
Yeah.
00:50:20
lauradavis
the skylight. Okay.
00:50:22
Aaron
Yeah.
00:50:22
lauradavis
I was...
00:50:23
Aaron
the I forget when, but they do show that there is like a, there's a skylight that he's able to get in from the roof and and he did, they did show he's able to climb up on the roof.
00:50:29
lauradavis
ah He dropped down from the sky. Got it. Got it.
00:50:33
Aaron
Yeah. This house is perfectly designed for someone to break into it.
00:50:33
lauradavis
Okay.
00:50:36
Aaron
It's almost impressive.
00:50:36
lauradavis
if Yeah, I have to say I would not be comfortable in a house in the middle of nowhere with glass doors.
00:50:46
Aaron
They were bulletproof, though, or some type of proof, apparently.
00:50:47
lauradavis
but ah They were very strong.
00:50:53
lauradavis
It was satisfying in that bathtub scene where she turns around and and stabs him.
00:50:53
Aaron
i
00:50:56
Aaron
I... Yeah, it, like, and I kind of said this a little earlier as well, I think the
00:50:57
lauradavis
But I wish she would have gotten him a couple more times before running away. But I can't say it wasn't realistic that she got him and tried to escape.
00:51:08
Aaron
yeah like and and i kind of said this a little earlier as well i think the the reactions and the interactions in that sense do feel very realistic, which again, it is ah it's commendable to him to like try and keep this as plain as possible.
00:51:17
lauradavis
I do.
00:51:24
Aaron
I don't know. It's it's an interesting experiment to like see how successful you can turn out a film that that has so little to it, but also really make an effort to keep it engaging just by way of building tension and strong performances.
00:51:39
Aaron
And I think even if there are like whether it's like an actual criticism of this was too slow or this could have been improved or like when you start nitpicking stuff like that doesn't make sense that doesn't make sense it is still commendable that that's all stuff you think about afterwards when you're watching a movie for what it is being so basic it is very very entertaining um and I almost feel like with all the incredible things he's done in terms of his craftsmanship as a filmmaker, I feel like this is one you could turn to, to be like, he can also have absolutely nothing and still make something that'll entertain you, which is impressive, because not everyone could do that.
00:52:19
Noah
Absolutely.
00:52:21
lauradavis
Good take.
00:52:23
Noah
As always, that's why I brought you on here.
00:52:27
Aaron
Oh, you're too kind. of
00:52:31
Noah
Just one random comment that I had is I was prepared to fully hate this movie if the cat died and i it almost happened.
00:52:38
Aaron
yeah
00:52:38
lauradavis
Almost, almost.
00:52:39
Noah
all
00:52:39
Aaron
a
00:52:40
lauradavis
I was happy they didn't kill the cat.
00:52:42
Noah
we too
00:52:42
Aaron
Oh, see, there's a sick part of me that said we could we want to kill the cat. We could have taken that further. We could have.
00:52:51
Aaron
But again, it's realistic of a pet. You know, I feel like it is realistic. Like two minutes ago, she couldn't figure out how to load the bow into the thing that cat gets picked up. You're done. Well, you'll get there.
00:53:02
Noah
ya You find the strength somehow.
00:53:06
lauradavis
What's that?
00:53:08
Noah
No.
00:53:09
lauradavis
Oh, that Johnny Depp movie where the dog dies. I think that traumatized us all. So I haven't really seen a lot of movies since then where they killed animals.
00:53:22
lauradavis
What was it?
00:53:22
Aaron
Johnny Depp where the dog died.
00:53:24
lauradavis
i'm I'm finding it. I'm finding it. i Secret window.
00:53:29
Aaron
Oh where he's the author?
00:53:30
lauradavis
Yeah, yeah, yeah, another recluse author of being haunted by something.
00:53:31
Aaron
Okay.
00:53:38
lauradavis
There was a moment where I did think that maybe all of the scenario was in her head because she's secluded in the woods.
00:53:39
Noah
I know.
00:53:47
lauradavis
She's an author. She's got writer's block. So i I'm glad it wasn't. um But it really did have a little bit of that you could read into it that none of this happened because it's so over the top to all of a sudden your your neighbor is running to you trying to be saved because there's an attacker. It's it's just so far out there. It doesn't really happen. um So there was that element of like, is this real? Is it not real? I choose to think that it was.
00:54:20
Aaron
So let me ask you guys, like thinking about it from like a creative writing standpoint, would you have preferred if they took out one of the kind of like loops in the middle of she's inside, she goes outside, there's a brief fight, she goes back inside and instead they take that little bit of screen time and show a bit more of him showing up to the neighbor's house just to provide something a little different or
00:54:48
lauradavis
No.
00:54:48
Aaron
are you fine with the way of keeping it at the house and just you see the aftermath of like she's dead.
00:54:50
lauradavis
i I love the shock value of her showing up because they have the visit in the beginning when she was cooking the dinner. um By the way, I hate ASMR, so like that whole first scene where it's all about the sounds of the cooking.
00:55:03
Aaron
And I, apparently, while I was looking at the movie, apparently they tried to like,
00:55:08
lauradavis
I was like, really?
00:55:09
Aaron
and
00:55:10
lauradavis
But anyway.
00:55:11
Aaron
apparently while i was looking up the movie apparently they tried to like live fully while they were shooting and they had to go back and redo it in post because it was so ear bleedingly loud.
00:55:22
Aaron
They were like, we cannot keep this in.
00:55:23
lauradavis
Oh, yeah.
00:55:26
lauradavis
Good. That was a good choice.
00:55:26
Aaron
So whatever you think it is, it could have been worse.
00:55:28
lauradavis
could have been worse. Absolutely. But they did that for the exposition of explaining her that she's deaf. um But I love the shock value of the neighbor showing up bloody, pleading for help, saying, please see me. There was a lot of criticism from the, I read a few articles from um people who are in the deaf community that were upset that the neighbor who knows she is deaf is pounding on the windows. But I'm like, ah I get it, but she has that line which kind of cuts out the criticism because she says, please see me.
00:56:04
Aaron
Yes, yeah, yeah.
00:56:04
Noah
Yeah.
00:56:06
lauradavis
So it completely negates that.
00:56:06
Aaron
she's She's trying to make herself as visible.
00:56:08
lauradavis
And how bad is her peripheral vision because she is just like, right next to her walking past and I'm like, how are you not, why are you not more hyper aware? If you aren't, if you can't hear, your other senses are for sure heightened.
00:56:24
lauradavis
So why I, if I lived in a house with black windows all over me, I would constantly, I would have like motion floodlights, but that's just my anxiety.
00:56:32
Aaron
see see See, see see the the thing is, because don't they say she's like moved out of a big city into this rural area?
00:56:40
lauradavis
Yeah.
00:56:40
Noah
think so
00:56:41
Aaron
That's why she had to her peripheral vision so bad. you're just You're an automatic victim in the city, if you can.
00:56:48
lauradavis
I suppose there's a lot of stimulus in the city. So you really do condition yourself to block it out. But still, she was right there. But for the sake of the progression of the movie, that's what it is.
00:56:58
lauradavis
So I'll take it. But it was annoying um just for a moment.
00:57:01
Aaron
I feel like even if that was a win,
00:57:02
lauradavis
But the shock value, I think, of just her showing up bloody and being murdered, I wouldn't change any of that.
00:57:10
Aaron
change Yeah, I Feel I feel like even if it was a window and like part of her body was covered like you could at least buy it It's the fact that it's like a full glass panel sliding door No part of you caught the bloodied woman standing on your port.
00:57:10
Noah
yeah you i think
00:57:24
Aaron
Okay. All right
00:57:28
Noah
Yeah. And the the whole glass sliding sliding glass door and everything like that. It just brings me back to Laura's point. Well, which if you wanted to get in, just throw a rock through it.
00:57:39
Noah
Like there's plenty of glass. There's plenty of windows.
00:57:42
lauradavis
Yeah.
00:57:42
Noah
And they like he at one point he kept talking about oh I'm going to throw the rock through the window, but then do it. Like just just get
00:57:48
lauradavis
Yeah, then do it. Yeah.
00:57:50
Aaron
See, I'd have even done it. I say I. I'm talking about from a right. Not that I'm going to go invade someone's home. But i'd have I'd have thrown the rock through and then not gone in just to play the mind game, right?
00:58:04
Aaron
Because like because that's what it's about, is playing the mind game, whether of I'm going to mess you up first, then I'm going to kill you.
00:58:05
lauradavis
that
00:58:08
lauradavis
That is what, yeah, yeah, that is kind of what I think I was leaning towards needing his bravado of I'm going to get in, but then his weakness of I'm still trying to get in.
00:58:15
Aaron
Mm.
00:58:26
lauradavis
So it probably would have been scarier if he already had a way in and she didn't know about it. It would have added another layer of that tension. that we know he can get in.
00:58:35
Noah
Yeah.
00:58:36
lauradavis
She doesn't know how he's going to get in. so
00:58:42
Aaron
Or maybe they could have, um or maybe it's just a case of like, there' there's like a single shot that we're all misremembering, which is possibly the case.
00:58:42
Noah
yeah
00:58:51
Aaron
Maybe they could have cleared that up a little bit better at the start of the film as well. Cause obviously he does get in, he gets in, he gets her phone, he takes her pictures. Like it is established he could get into this house easily if he wanted to, but I just, I feel like slight adjustments would have helped with that a little bit.
00:59:04
lauradavis
That was, she had all of her doors unlocked because they do have that shot where she's running around locking the doors, locking the windows at the same time as he's trying to get in also.
00:59:13
Aaron
Oh, okay. There we go. Boom. Okay.
00:59:16
lauradavis
So essentially he's like, you know, two seconds away from, and then gets locked out from all of the entry points.
00:59:17
Noah
Yeah.
00:59:23
lauradavis
um
00:59:23
Aaron
Okay. Okay. So you just went in the front door. Got it.
00:59:27
Noah
yeah
00:59:27
lauradavis
Yeah.
00:59:27
Aaron
Or the back door. They're both open.
00:59:30
lauradavis
Yeah.
00:59:33
lauradavis
Yeah, other than him being like a killer, he didn't really scare me too much.
00:59:38
Noah
No.
00:59:39
lauradavis
I feel like they could have added it a little a few little things to make him more terrifying. um But he was just, he's he's weak. He's a weak weasel, like Noah said.
00:59:50
lauradavis
He's he's so more of a weasel of a character. um
00:59:57
lauradavis
Yeah, what else?
00:59:59
Aaron
Yeah, I don't know.
00:59:59
Noah
I just had, go ahead, Aaron.
01:00:01
Aaron
Oh, sorry.
01:00:05
Noah
I'll go after you. Go ahead.
01:00:07
Aaron
and Well, I was going to say like, because i I think that's the interesting thing of this movie is like, I think there's a lot of ways we like, you can go through kind of bit by bit and like pick out things where like, it could have been improved here. You could have done this here.
01:00:22
Aaron
But I think that does, to a certain point, that ah does almost start to defeat the point of its simplicity. Because I feel like, especially now, I mean, we're going on eight years later, like, especially with the premise of like, woman in the woods, random guy shows up to killer. We just had a, is this strange darling? Is that what the name of the movie is? Where like, it's the setup that they give to this movie is a very similar premise of like, guy and girl in rural area, and guy is a killer.
01:00:52
Aaron
And like that movie, I'm not seeing it, by the way, so I can't talk in more detail, but like I know that movie like has a lot of of a little bit of a political theme to it. And it definitely goes to ah a different place than like your average basic thriller. And I feel like you could have done that with something like this. But again, I feel like this was all just made in the name of simplicity. It was just how simple can we make this without making it boring and so it puts the movie in this weird place of like Because like the thing is right like I have tons of stuff that I think you could you could adjust you could Improve you could do whatever I gave it an 8.5 out of 10 because I think if you're judging it for what it is It is meant to be this really simple home invasion thriller That thrills you for lack of a better, you know, and so it works but also it almost leaves the door open for like how could we put more into this and And I feel like part of that is almost an expectation of what you want out of him as a director because that's usually what he does go for.
01:01:55
Aaron
I mean, even um he did Gerald's game, right?
01:01:59
Noah
Yes.
01:02:00
lauradavis
Yeah.
01:02:00
Aaron
Yeah. Like that's another similar thing of like, and obviously it's not literally a home invasion film, but it's another similar thing of like woman stranded. But that's got so much more going on in it that I feel like that's almost kind of what you could look to this to be like, Oh, you could do this.
01:02:15
Aaron
You could do this. but I think that does kind of defeat the weird point of this film, which is just, let's be as simple as we can and make it work. So, yeah, no, it's it's it's a really intriguing film in that sense.
01:02:25
Noah
Yeah.
01:02:26
lauradavis
i I appreciate that take, and I think you're right.
01:02:36
Aaron
It's almost more intriguing than I think it is some kind of great work. Like I don't think anyone's gonna call this his best film, but it is a very intriguing experiment in his filmography.
01:02:47
Noah
Well, I'm considering this is two years before he comes out with the hunting of Hill House, which I think um was changed the horror genre a little bit, at least TV horror.
01:03:00
Noah
um And um in that series, it does go a lot deeper. There are a lot more of these character conversations, stuff like that. And Hush doesn't really have that again.
01:03:10
lauradavis
Hmm.
01:03:12
Noah
It's just a game of cat and mouse.
01:03:12
lauradavis
Yeah.
01:03:13
Noah
It's very simple. But and it if you were were to watch those in cholo chronological it's not something like you would expect him to have this deeper meaning in his movie or whatever.
01:03:15
lauradavis
Yeah. youre The fact that he has so many monologues in Midnight Mass and a few in Haunting of Hill House and the fact that this has maybe 15 minutes of dialogue total is fantastic.
01:03:36
Noah
Yeah. Yeah. It's a very interesting contrast.
01:03:42
Aaron
I feel like this is this is the movie in his filmography where like you could show this to someone and be like, guess who directed that? And I don't think they would say him, especially if they're familiar with his work, because it does stand out as like the. I don't know the awkward child because that gives like a bad connotation, but like it does stand out compared to others in a in a and it in its simplicity.
01:04:06
Noah
Yeah, I can't really speak to his other movies because I haven't seen Doctor Sleep yet, even though I i want to. um But yeah, absolutely.
01:04:16
Aaron
All I'll say about Dr. Sleep is if you got a kick out of a hand injury and this, wait till you get to that one.
01:04:22
Noah
Oh, I was going to say it like the hand that that oh, that hand scene was brutal.
01:04:22
lauradavis
can't. No thanks. I did not like the hand. No.
01:04:30
Noah
And that I think that's another pro for the movie.
01:04:30
Aaron
Yes.
01:04:34
Noah
Um, is that it was brutal in a non gory way. I didn't think like the core was over the top and I think where you appreciated that, but like it was, it was still, still brutal.
01:04:41
Aaron
yes
01:04:44
lauradavis
Yup.
01:04:48
Noah
So very brutal.
01:04:48
Aaron
what Would the goriest thing be the actual kill at the end with the blood kind of spurting out? That'd probably be...
01:04:55
lauradavis
That, you know, I think the most brutal part was the neighbor being just overly stabbed just again and again.
01:05:03
Noah
Oh yeah.
01:05:03
lauradavis
I mean, she was gone already and he just kept going.
01:05:05
Noah
thats
01:05:05
Aaron
I think it's like 12 or 13 times I tried counting just to like see how many.
01:05:06
lauradavis
So you get the exposition and the basis that he likes this. He's reveling in it.
01:05:15
lauradavis
who
01:05:18
lauradavis
And I don't know what it is about stabbings versus, you know, like i i have I have an issue with slasher movies and I don't know why.
01:05:19
Aaron
The foot falls down. you see
01:05:28
lauradavis
Because I know when I talked about um the newer Suicide Squad movie, I laughed through the whole thing, bodies exploding, I laughed.
01:05:37
Noah
and so
01:05:38
lauradavis
But a stranger in a mask stabbing a neighbor that I had a hard time with.
01:05:45
Noah
Yeah.
01:05:45
lauradavis
So.
01:05:45
Aaron
I feel like this is just my take and this is coming from someone who like very openly isn't always on board with horror. I i feel like it's because unless you truly have an either effort put into character writing or you have a really interesting take on the idea, a lot of the characters that exist in these movies are just here to die.
01:06:08
Aaron
So inherently there's not a lot going on prior to the killing.
01:06:10
lauradavis
Mm hmm.
01:06:13
Aaron
And so, and listen, like, and I don't think you know I'm not a Fox News anchor. I don't think if you enjoy sadistic stuff, that means you're some kind of horrible person. There are people who will watch slasher films to see just how creative the kills can be. ah In fact, more you know going back to what we do with Battleground, more than once for like different horror franchises, that's been a debate question. where like When we have two people who are really into this stuff, it's like, what you know what's the most inventive kill or best kill? or
01:06:43
Aaron
And these guys can go into it and they can break it down and they can talk about like this, that, and that, and compared it to whatever it is the other person's picked, like there's an art to it. But if you don't enjoy that side of it, and then the movie also gives you nothing else to attach to aside from the cool kills that are coming, then it's not going to be your type of, yeah.
01:07:00
lauradavis
Correct.
01:07:04
Aaron
There's no, I mean, you if you can't get into Friday the 13th, don't watch part six.
01:07:04
lauradavis
Right. There has to be, there has.
01:07:08
Aaron
like
01:07:10
lauradavis
Exactly. Right. Right. For me, the story and the characters and the depth has to overcome the fact that I have to watch the violence, if I'm going to watch said show or movie.
01:07:24
Aaron
Right.
01:07:24
Noah
yeah
01:07:24
Aaron
And I actually think um Suicide Squad, and like as a tangent off that, I don't know if you've seen a Peacemaker, the spin-off show from it.
01:07:33
lauradavis
no
01:07:34
Noah
Yeah.
01:07:35
Aaron
like But it it's it's it's very enjoyable ah if if it's your speed, because, my God, the
01:07:36
lauradavis
I know Noah has, yeah.
01:07:37
Noah
It was enjoyable.
01:07:49
Aaron
the shackles are off with that one. But I feel like those are great examples of like, they're both at times can be very gory, like specifically with Suicide Squad.
01:07:52
lauradavis
I can imagine.
01:08:01
Aaron
I remember it's obviously the beginning where they're just killing left, right and center. But um like Rick Flag's death is like particularly oddly brutal for a comic book film.
01:08:12
Aaron
but also it's in the midst of a great scene with some great character work and genuinely great acting from Kenanmen and Siena. So it makes it work. And especially in in a context, you don't expect that type of violence.
01:08:22
lauradavis
Mhm.
01:08:25
Aaron
Like if if you're not someone who's comfortable with violence, you don't walk into that expecting that's what you're going to be watching. So it's a credit to the people making the movie that they can pull that off and still keep people engaged and not lose them, um which I do think a lot of horror films focus on the audience they're intended to go for and not trying to subvert and do something that could draw in others. um Which is, I mean, look, that's what happens when you have the ability to make a film for $3 in a Snickers bar and make that back in one weekend. Like, I don't blame them.
01:09:01
Noah
Yeah. i I feel like a lot of the directors that we see come from horror movies and into other genres tend to be able to master that if not um use it to their advantage.
01:09:20
Noah
like Like you're saying, um because I feel like there are a lot of directors who get their start with horror movies, whether it's because it's very accessible to like the general population, since a lot of people tend to gravitate to those kind of movies, and it seems like the easiest in for new directors.
01:09:26
Aaron
yes
01:09:39
Noah
Um, but I think the directors who are able to move past that are able to subvert the audience's expectations and everything and and and move on.
01:09:49
Aaron
Yes.
01:09:49
Noah
But just a ah point that doesn't really relate to this movie at all. Well, I mean, I guess it could cause Mike Flanagan does a very good job in subverting horror expectations.
01:09:55
Aaron
Why? Yeah, coming coming up. Yeah.
01:09:59
Noah
so Yeah.
01:09:59
Aaron
Well, I mean, even with Life of Chuck coming up, right, like he he is taking those first steps out of the horror genre.
Mike Flanagan's Upcoming Projects
01:10:06
Aaron
um He's obviously he's not it's not like he's abandoning the horror genre.
01:10:10
Aaron
I'm sure he's got something because did he ever you guys would know more than me. Did he ever sign another television deal? because I know his deal with Netflix ended, but is he continuing to do television with other people or no?
01:10:23
Noah
That is a great question and one that I will try to find.
01:10:26
Aaron
OK, my bad. But i so because obviously like he clearly loved getting to do those shows. He loved having the extended period to work on these stories. um And obviously he's got technically he's got a horror film coming out this year because he's a producer on Chris Duckman's horror film. So he's not stepping away totally from doing horror. But I am curious to see how Life of Chuck goes over, because this could be his attempt to like also show that he can step into other genres and do them well.
01:10:59
Aaron
oh
01:10:59
lauradavis
I would hope so. I'm excited to see what he can do, especially after Midnight Mass, because that is still horror, but it's so different. Um, the only other thing coming up after a life of Chuck is untitled exorcist slash Mike Flanagan project 2026.
01:11:16
Aaron
Oh, he is doing the next deck.
01:11:17
Noah
Yes, he is.
01:11:18
Aaron
He is doing the next Exorcist. That's right. There you go.
01:11:21
Noah
um Oh, no, especially with um apparently he's writing a segment for VHS Beyond, which I haven't seen any of those movies I want to, but I um it's going to be released on shutter later this year is what Wikipedia says, but we know Wikipedia is not a trusted source.
01:11:21
Aaron
See, he's not even horror at all.
01:11:21
lauradavis
So no.
01:11:30
Aaron
okay
01:11:38
Aaron
Okay. That'll come out.
01:11:42
Noah
um
01:11:45
Noah
But he also.
01:11:48
Noah
has, uh, he owns the television rights to the dark tower.
01:11:52
lauradavis
Oh, thank goodness.
01:11:53
Noah
So he, that could potentially, yeah, that could potentially be a, a TV series coming up, which I would love because the movie was.
01:11:53
Aaron
Oh.
01:11:55
lauradavis
Thank goodness. Oh my gosh.
01:12:02
lauradavis
The movie was an abomination.
01:12:02
Aaron
that
01:12:03
Noah
Yeah.
01:12:04
lauradavis
I was so mad.
01:12:06
Aaron
That...
01:12:06
lauradavis
dont I can't.
01:12:07
Aaron
I know absolutely nothing about the book side of the Dark Tower. ah ah Okay, I do know that there's a giant turtle, but I learned that from Ed.
01:12:19
Aaron
So, that said, somebody who knows nothing about the book. I'll agree, that movie was awful. That movie was abysmal.
01:12:25
lauradavis
Terrible. How do you have source material like the Dark Tower books in Idris Elba and make that?
01:12:27
Aaron
what they
01:12:33
Noah
and And Matthew McConaughey.
01:12:36
lauradavis
Exactly.
01:12:36
Aaron
Yeah, that movie was. That movie was something else. That was...
01:12:39
lauradavis
Oh my gosh.
01:12:41
Aaron
Yeah, yeah that that was...
01:12:45
lauradavis
okay
01:12:46
Aaron
Hollywood saw dollar signs and they did not get them.
01:12:49
lauradavis
I bet there was too many overseers cutting things and pulling strings and changing things instead of just trusting you know trusting the source material like they should.
01:13:01
Noah
Yeah.
01:13:01
Aaron
i I do know that was a case of like the guy who made it, ah I'll come up so I can find his name, but ah he was a foreign director who had made like indie foreign films and he got brought into Hollywood and probably got bullied a bit.
01:13:02
lauradavis
Yeah.
01:13:15
lauradavis
Mm-hmm.
01:13:16
Aaron
so
01:13:18
lauradavis
That probably.
01:13:20
Noah
Yeah.
01:13:20
lauradavis
That tracks, I have to say with what they came out with.
01:13:28
lauradavis
Yikes.
01:13:29
Aaron
ah Yeah, it so it was a ah Danish director, Nikolaj Arsel, which, as far as I can see, he's never spoken publicly about his experience making The Dark Tower, but he made that in 2017, and his next film didn't come out till 2023, so he needed a few years off.
01:13:29
Noah
Yeah.
01:13:29
lauradavis
um
01:13:35
lauradavis
one
01:13:47
Aaron
yeah
01:13:48
lauradavis
i I'm not going to blame him. I think I'm going to blame who whoever was in charge of things above him, maybe bottlenecking what he was allowed to do.
01:13:55
Aaron
Yeah. yeah and but
01:13:59
Aaron
I'm not going to sit here and go through, because I have the Wikipedia in front of me, I'm not going to sit here and go through every creative involved in this, but just, yeah, it's not a good set of people. So it's not.
01:14:09
Noah
Well, Mike Flanagan, the dark tower's in your hands. We're praying that it's good.
01:14:16
lauradavis
we We trust in Mike Flanagan.
01:14:19
Noah
We we re trust in Mike Flanagan. I still need to finish ah the fall of House of Usher, by the way. I been able to finish it.
01:14:28
lauradavis
Oh, I'm so sorry for your upcoming trauma.
01:14:28
Noah
have Have you seen that at all, Aaron?
01:14:33
Noah
Aaron, have you seen that?
01:14:35
Aaron
I have not, no, although I have to be honest, of all of them, ah that's the one that's interested me the most, just because it's got like, the ah like, it it feels like it has, at least just off reading names, like the most out there cast, aside from his recurrent players.
01:14:53
Aaron
Like, I remember the first name being like Mark Hamill, and I'm like, really? Okay.
01:14:58
lauradavis
o
01:14:59
Aaron
and Obviously, they're like working together, because he's in the film coming up.
01:15:00
Noah
And it was It is
01:15:02
Aaron
But
01:15:04
lauradavis
Yeah.
01:15:05
Aaron
yeah is it I'm assuming it's good.
01:15:08
lauradavis
The show is great. It's just very traumatizing.
01:15:11
Aaron
Okay.
01:15:12
lauradavis
it Each episode is based on a different work of Edgar Allan Poe. ah
01:15:24
lauradavis
And I don't know how much more I want to go into it.
01:15:26
Aaron
is it Is it like is it like horror horror or is it like that more gothic tonal type of...
01:15:28
lauradavis
It's
01:15:34
lauradavis
That's it's all of it. It's horror.
01:15:36
Noah
yeah
01:15:36
Aaron
Okay.
01:15:37
lauradavis
It's gore. It's gothic. It's psychological horror. It messed me up a little bit.
01:15:42
Noah
Yeah.
01:15:44
lauradavis
um Big warning for episode two and whichever one was a telltale heart and whichever one had the chimpanzee.
01:15:52
Noah
The third one, I think.
01:15:52
lauradavis
You don't come back from those.
01:15:56
Aaron
Well, those all sound like they happened early in the show, so you still got a few more episodes after that.
01:15:57
Noah
I. and Yeah, I, I.
01:16:01
lauradavis
Well, that was that was three different episodes.
01:16:02
Noah
ah
01:16:03
lauradavis
um
01:16:07
Noah
I stopped on episode three but with the one with the the chimpanzee.
01:16:11
lauradavis
Yeah, understandably. um The next one isn't as severe, but then the telltale heart was something else. um It doesn't.
01:16:21
Aaron
So is it is it is it like an anthology show or is it all tied together?
01:16:27
lauradavis
No, it's this it's a see it's a story.
01:16:27
Noah
It's.
01:16:29
lauradavis
It's all one story.
01:16:29
Aaron
OK, so he's he's taken Poe's works and basically found a way to like work it into.
01:16:34
lauradavis
Yes, yes, until one story.
01:16:35
Aaron
OK, that's more interesting than what I thought. I thought it was an anthology because I knew it was like named Fall of House of Usher, but it's all of his works. That's more intriguing than the anthology concept.
01:16:47
lauradavis
It almost kind of feels still like an anthology in how um each episode is its own story start to finish, but it's a continuing story throughout the whole season.
01:16:59
Aaron
okay
01:16:59
Noah
yeah
01:16:59
lauradavis
It's very, very, very well done. It's very well done. um it's It's just disturbing.
01:17:09
Aaron
Okay.
01:17:09
lauradavis
But that could be a good thing for some people.
01:17:09
Noah
Yeah. Yeah.
01:17:11
lauradavis
I don't know if we're going to cover that series because that would involve me having to watch it again. So we'll have to discuss that.
01:17:20
Aaron
Do it, do it, do it.
01:17:21
Noah
We'll have to, yeah.
01:17:23
lauradavis
Listen, okay, the telltale heart, you know, just kind of reading it for school is one thing. There was a bunch of years ago, I don't remember who it was, jumped on public radio and they did a reading of the telltale heart in a dramatic fashion.
01:17:36
lauradavis
And I was driving in the dark Halloween night, driving home from something.
01:17:39
Noah
oh no
01:17:41
lauradavis
And it was so scary. It was so scary. So, um, I'm,
01:17:54
lauradavis
i'm done
Critique on Deafness Portrayal in Film
01:17:57
Aaron
but Let's go back to Hosh, something less terry.
01:17:57
lauradavis
I it was going to say something else, but i got i got i got I got a little lost. No, there is something else I want to bring up with Hush.
01:18:02
Noah
Oh no.
01:18:04
lauradavis
I mentioned before that the Deaf community um had some criticisms, which is understandable. There was an article that I read, and I want to make sure I source my material.
01:18:15
lauradavis
So from brightwalldarkroom dot.com, Ross Showalter wrote an article called this called The Strange Horror of Failure, and he himself is deaf. So from his perspective, I'm just going to read this one little excerpt that kind of encompasses the whole feeling around the community's response to this show. um Flanagan's growing negligence around giving Maddie's deafness space shows his clumsiness with that subject, and further it shows us how shallowly he considered the role of a deaf character in this film. To him, deafness is quirky, something that spices up the movie, but not something that requires understanding.
01:18:56
lauradavis
So I think a lot of people went into the film, especially in the deaf community, excited to have a deaf main character. But then it was kind of, it's still a main part of the movie, but at the same time, it was still kind of pushed aside a little bit.
01:19:13
lauradavis
overshadowed by like everything else going on.
01:19:13
Aaron
Yeah.
01:19:15
lauradavis
So they wish that it had been, I think, more realistic. Her sign language was apparently a little clumsy. um So there was some backlash from the community in regards to those things.
01:19:28
Noah
Hmm.
01:19:30
Aaron
I can believe that.
01:19:30
Noah
I mean, I. Yeah, I can see that they. The the whole and interest of this movie being. The woman is deaf and that's what makes it interesting because it's a home invasion and she can't hear.
01:19:45
Noah
So I could see their the complaints that maybe it was used as a as a gimmick, but at the same time, I thought they.
01:19:55
Noah
Yes, used it that way, but not. that they did it with without trying to cause offense, you know, because they, they thought of things like a fire alarm with like the lights and stuff like that.
01:20:07
lauradavis
Mm hmm.
01:20:07
Noah
And one of my biggest questions is how do you call the police when you're deaf? And then she tried FaceTiming them, which how do you FaceTime 911?
01:20:18
lauradavis
there were ah There were a few times where they talked about she's not able to call, but that's not true.
01:20:18
Noah
So
01:20:24
lauradavis
There's free TTY service. You call into a number and there's a person that reads what you're typing and they say it to the person on the other end.
01:20:34
lauradavis
So deaf people can make phone calls. um
01:20:37
Noah
Gotcha.
01:20:38
lauradavis
With cell phones, it's more accessible. But pre-cell phones, you had to have a device in your home that you type for the operator to read to the person working in retail. We would get a lot of TTY phone calls from deaf people, especially when I worked in the bookstore.
01:20:53
lauradavis
So it was during me watching the movie when they were saying she can't make phone calls, I was like, well, that's not accurate. And that's what kind of spurred me to see what the community's response was to the movie, because I knew there were some things that were just completely not accurate.
01:21:11
lauradavis
not taking away from the quality of the film. it They addressed it as well as they could for what the movie is, but I did want to bring that up for the sake of responding and acknowledging their frustrations with it because it is a main part of the movie.
01:21:15
Aaron
Right.
01:21:26
Noah
Yeah.
01:21:27
Aaron
Yeah, and of course, it's worth noting, Kate Siegel's obviously not deaf in real life. So it's not like either. um I don't know, maybe one of them has a family member that is, and that's what inspired them to go this way. But on the surface for what we know about Flanagan or Siegel, neither of them have like a direct connection to someone who's deaf in in the immediate that we could figure out.
01:21:52
Aaron
um for for the specific
01:21:53
lauradavis
From what I read, she consulted with a deaf person and studied sign language for a bit.
01:21:58
Aaron
okay
01:22:00
lauradavis
So they did consult with somebody.
01:22:02
Aaron
Oh, yeah, you'd hope.
01:22:02
lauradavis
um And I have seen a response that if they were to make this kind of a movie again, they would cast a deaf actor, which I appreciate.
01:22:03
Aaron
um i
01:22:12
Noah
Yeah.
01:22:13
lauradavis
But I do think she did a good job. But also, I can't speak for the deaf community myself.
01:22:15
Aaron
I... Right, yeah. It's... um it It's one of those things where, like... um I'm not gonna defend it.
01:22:32
Aaron
But unfortunately, unless a movie is actively trying to be about the concept of like someone being deaf, it'll it'll never not be used as a gimmick, if that makes sense. So like something like a Sound of Freedom from a few years ago with Riz Ahmed, where like the entire concept of that film is about a drummer going deaf.
01:22:55
Noah
So just want to clarify, you said sound of freedom. It's a sound of metal.
01:22:59
Aaron
Sound of metal. Never.
01:23:00
lauradavis
I was like, Sound of Freedom is a different, a whole different movie.
01:23:01
Aaron
Oh, that's a very different movie, my bad.
01:23:03
Noah
I was like, where are you going with that?
01:23:04
Aaron
Thank you.
01:23:05
Noah
And then you said Riz Ahmed.
01:23:05
Aaron
Thank you.
01:23:05
lauradavis
Very different.
01:23:06
Noah
I was like, ah, gotcha.
01:23:06
lauradavis
I was like, there's deaf people in Sound of Freedom.
01:23:07
Aaron
Thank you. Sorry, sorry.
01:23:10
lauradavis
Sound of Metal. Okay, cool.
01:23:13
Aaron
Sorry, QAnon, don't come after me. i No, so, ah Sound and Metal, thank you. ah We're like, the the whole basis of that film is about him losing his hearing and him coming to terms with that and also him becoming to understand the deaf community and those around him who have the same you know hearing loss that he has suffered. And like I think in instances like that, you can make a film that is really true to what a person experiences. Unfortunately, unless you are making it a large factor in the film, and and again, going back to the fact that this movie is written to be as simple as possible,
01:23:52
Aaron
There's no I don't think there's actually a way to portray that as accurately as possible without going past what the point of the film is, which then brings you to a whole different conversation of should you even do it in the first place if you're not going to. But I would say that's a different discussion than just like, how did the film handle it? um The only thing I could say in terms of the specific example you cited of like them saying she can't make phone calls, ah if I remember correctly, that's the neighbor's husband that says that right when they're when he's confronting him.
01:24:23
lauradavis
I think so.
01:24:25
Noah
Oh, okay.
01:24:25
Aaron
The only reasoning I could give for that is maybe he doesn't know her very well. like it if That does sound like something someone who's uninformed would say.
01:24:32
lauradavis
That's fair.
01:24:35
lauradavis
Right. Right.
01:24:38
Aaron
But again, we're not given anything on any of these people.
01:24:38
Noah
No.
01:24:39
lauradavis
That's a fair take.
01:24:42
Aaron
So at that point, you're just assuming, which is the point of the...
01:24:45
lauradavis
Right.
01:24:48
Aaron
The whole point of this film is Mike Flanagan doesn't want you to talk about this movie. So...
01:24:53
lauradavis
Here we are, more than an hour in not talking about this movie.
01:24:54
Aaron
Here you are.
01:25:00
Noah
Well, with that being mentioned, um do you guys have any final thoughts about the movie that you want to talk about?
01:25:08
Aaron
I mean, to to to surmise, I think it's a film that is, especially if you're into like the home invasion idea, um it is where it is worth watching. um ah If you will if you are someone because the the movie is defined as a slasher film if you are someone who's off put by that Unless you just you have that like intensive version to watching violence I don't think you'll really have a problem with this because it is technically a slasher movie
Praise for 'Hush' Technical Aspects
01:25:34
Aaron
But it's not like you see this guy take out 10 people and then the plot of the film starts there There is minimal death in that sense in this um, but I think it is a great exercise and just how little can we do to
01:25:48
Aaron
but still capture that tension and still capture those performances. And the actors do a lot to get it across the finish line. and ah The camera work, I think, is really great. the ah The pacing and the editing, I think, is really well done. like Technically, it is a well-crafted film. And I think people could watch it for that purpose and get what they're going for out of it. If you are the type of person where, in order to really enjoy a film and attach to a film, you need that character, this is not going to be for you.
01:26:16
Aaron
um But on the other side, if you can handle horror, Mike Flanagan has a ton of other work that is exactly what you're looking for. um So I think this is just all about what your taste is. ah But it is about as well made as something like this could be.
01:26:32
Noah
Yeah. Laura.
01:26:36
lauradavis
I agree with all of that. It's a good middle ground horror movie. It's unsettling, but it's not over the top. I think it's perfect in its simplicity. So I'm kind of coming around to your side a little bit on that, Erin. And we see and in Midnight Mass his art of really working the subtleties, and it's all over this movie.
01:26:59
lauradavis
So it's not in the dialogue, it's in the subtleties of the expressions of the actions. So overall, it was good for what it is. And I think he did a pretty good job.
01:27:15
Noah
Yeah, I think with what the idea was and. They did the best with what they could have done with the film um and a lot of the stuff that we're saying, I feel like is a little bit nitpicky, especially the problems that I have with it. I think there's a lot of issues with. If she's deaf, how does she know she's not making noise, especially when it came to walking on a metal roof?
01:27:39
lauradavis
Oh, I had that thought too.
01:27:39
Aaron
yeah
01:27:40
lauradavis
Yeah.
01:27:41
Noah
So, oh i or.
01:27:41
lauradavis
Yeah, absolutely.
01:27:42
Aaron
yeah I can't defend that one.
01:27:43
lauradavis
Yeah.
01:27:44
Aaron
ah
01:27:46
lauradavis
Yep. I was like, how is she trying to? I did have that thought when she was outside. I was like, how is she, how does she know she's been quiet?
01:27:53
Noah
Yeah, or or her hurrah stepping on dead leaves and stuff like that or her breathing or gaffes or something like that, you know.
01:28:02
lauradavis
Yeah.
01:28:03
Noah
um So again, it's nitpicky, but if you're going to say the character is deaf, try to have that more in mind, I guess.
01:28:12
lauradavis
But that is it is that is accurate. um I've read a lot of accounts and and and known of deaf people saying they forget that things don't make sounds.
01:28:23
lauradavis
So I think that is pretty true to to reality in that she doesn't know she's making noise.
01:28:23
Noah
Yeah.
01:28:30
Noah
Yeah.
01:28:32
Aaron
Yeah, he he's also not hearing it as quick as he could, but that's a difference.
01:28:32
Noah
But.
01:28:36
lauradavis
Right.
01:28:37
Aaron
yeah
01:28:39
Noah
Oh, and the fact that how did he not see her underneath the porch? It's like the way it seemed like there was like three feet of like visible space where you could have seen her.
01:28:44
lauradavis
He that when I let go, he wasn't expecting to have to look down.
01:28:53
Noah
but again it's just it's dark out there guys yeah
01:28:57
lauradavis
But you're right. His peripheral vision is bad too. So is hers.
01:29:02
Aaron
Everybody needs glasses.
01:29:06
Noah
um But other than that, it was it was fun seeing all the other um actors that we've seen in his other stuff, Samantha Sloyan, who we've seen. um I enjoyed seeing her in this nice role like we see in Haunting of Hill House, um compared to what we see in Midnight Club and Midnight Mass.
01:29:29
Noah
And the other, the boyfriend,
01:29:30
lauradavis
She is, Erin, if you do get to watch Midnight Mask, she is a master at micro expressions. Huge, oh, beautiful, huge fan.
01:29:41
lauradavis
She is fantastic.
01:29:42
Aaron
Okay.
01:29:44
Noah
She's so good. There's a we we can't get the entire season, but but.
01:29:50
Aaron
It's like we haven't done this yet, but.
01:29:50
lauradavis
it's It's so hard to not delve into it just randomly.
01:29:55
Noah
It's yeah, there's so much about that series that is just masterful and excellent, so.
01:30:02
Aaron
No, i I've been made more curious by checking this film out only because my assumption has always been, once I heard they were making like the spin off, it's like, Oh, so that must be like some sort of plot point. The fact that it plays so little into this movie, but he thought about it so much that he turned it into a series almost makes it more interesting of like, what's what's the, what's the base concept and where did you go with it? That this was just on your, and it's not like he did it immediately either, right? It came out a good few years after the movie. Like he definitely did Bly Manor. Well, he did Hill House and Bly Manor between them. So like, yeah, it's very, it it was, it was,
01:30:38
Aaron
interesting to see how little the story she's writing actually plays into the movie.
01:30:43
lauradavis
I had no idea that the book Midnight Mass was even going to show up in this movie. I think I kind of knew that trivia, but I had no idea.
01:30:50
Noah
You either.
01:30:51
lauradavis
And it was cool thinking that he had the story of Midnight Mass on his mind for well before that to even have a nod to it in this movie in the form of that book.
01:30:53
Noah
Yeah.
01:31:03
Noah
Yeah, and they mentioned that the two main characters, Aaron and Riley, um and how Samantha's character smiths william's character was like, oh, yeah, I love those characters.
01:31:04
lauradavis
It's great.
01:31:14
Noah
And I think we both agree with that. And I think it was kind of funny that she ended up playing Aaron in that series, too.
01:31:24
lauradavis
Yeah.
01:31:25
Noah
So. um
01:31:26
Aaron
And I'm going to say, cause i because I know you're about to bring up the the boyfriend. I'm assuming he's been in something else from Flanagan before as well.
01:31:35
lauradavis
He has, actually, I was looking that up. And he is in a number of Flanagan. He was in at least one episode of Midnight Club. He was in at least six or seven episodes of Midnight Mass. He looks completely different in Midnight Mass.
01:31:52
Noah
Yeah.
01:31:52
lauradavis
um And then a number of other ones too, if I.
01:31:59
Aaron
Okay. Cause, uh, to me, when I see his face, he'll always be that guy who dated Robin on how I met your mother for like five episodes. Like that just, so when he showed up, I was like, Oh, that guy, like, I know who he is instantly.
01:32:11
lauradavis
Okay.
01:32:13
Aaron
Uh, but yeah, that's I don't know why that's just the first thing I go to.
01:32:15
lauradavis
So he is.
01:32:18
lauradavis
That's hilarious. He's in Life of Chuck. He was in eight episodes of The Fall of the House of Usher, so he plays Rufus Griswold in that.
01:32:21
Aaron
Okay.
01:32:29
lauradavis
Oh, he was in Young Sheldon, but that's beside the point. He was in one of the episodes of The Midnight Club. He was in seven episodes of Midnight Mass. And that's all I'm seeing so far, as far as other than Hush.
01:32:48
Noah
Yeah, but I just I live How dare you be off by two
01:32:48
Aaron
OK, so he studies that a couple of them.
01:32:49
lauradavis
He's got quite the resume. He's been in lots of things. You're right, yeah, how I met your mother, seven episodes.
01:32:56
Aaron
There are seven episodes, sorry. He's the editor of seven episodes.
01:33:00
lauradavis
Missed two of them.
01:33:00
Aaron
How dare I?
01:33:01
Noah
You're never coming back on.
01:33:04
Aaron
Oh, well, it was fun while it lasted.
01:33:07
lauradavis
Well, I hope you've had a good time. um You're definitely.
01:33:10
Aaron
I did. i hope your I hope your listeners had a good time. I hope all 12 of them come back next week.
01:33:17
lauradavis
Me too.
01:33:17
Aaron
And i'll i'll take I'll take two of them to my YouTube channel.
01:33:18
lauradavis
um
01:33:20
Aaron
They can come watch that as well if they want.
01:33:22
lauradavis
You're definitely the most smartest in the room today.
01:33:26
Noah
ah Absolutely.
01:33:27
Aaron
Oh, don't say that. I can grow an ego real quick. We can.
01:33:34
Noah
I know you said it before, but um go ahead and tell them once again where they can find Aaron.
01:33:39
Aaron
Yeah, thank you. ah TMG Entertainment is the name of the YouTube channel. ah The two main things that I upload over there are Movie Battleground, which Uh, we are actively working behind the scenes to relaunch that show in a manner that works more for the world we're in. When we originally started the version of it we've been doing for the last few years, it was during COVID. So we could do something longer and something grander and everyone had the time to participate. That's not the case anymore. Uh, so we're reshaping the concept to sort of make it a little easier for everyone to be involved with. Um, and more will come on that soon. And then, yeah, the other show we're doing is, uh, the battleground rundown.
01:34:17
Aaron
ah We just uploaded the first episode. As of recording this, we just uploaded it two days ago. Tim Burton was the topic. And we have a number of episodes coming all through. I have enough recorded basically to get us through the rest of the year. um So call it like season one, I guess. And if people actually watch it, then I'll make more. ah But you can find Noah on three of those episodes. he'll We've already done, like I said, Spider-Man. And we did a directorial debuts of the 2020s. And then a Christopher Nolan episode will be in there as well.
01:34:47
Aaron
Uh, so yeah, TMG entertainment.
01:34:49
Noah
Yeah.
01:34:49
Aaron
Thank you guys. And again, thank you guys for having me. I appreciate this. Uh, I said to Noah when, you know, when he messaged me, I was like, I am worried I will be the worst person to possibly ask to have on this, but I will commit and make sure that I'm prepared for it.
01:34:52
lauradavis
Thanks for making the time.
01:34:53
Noah
Yeah.
01:35:03
Aaron
Uh, so hopefully I i did that.
01:35:05
lauradavis
Well, thank you for your time.
01:35:06
Noah
Absolutely.
01:35:07
lauradavis
Thank you for coming on and changing things up for us.
01:35:09
Aaron
Of course. Thank you.
01:35:10
lauradavis
um We started the show literally just to hear ourselves talk and mission accomplished.
01:35:16
Aaron
Oh, I've been doing it for years. It's so much fun.
01:35:19
lauradavis
It's great.
01:35:21
Aaron
Especially in editing, when you've said it very, very recently and then you're hearing it all over again, it's like.
01:35:32
Noah
Yeah, that's, that's why I don't listen to the episodes that we, we put out or have put out. I, I'm going to listen to it.
01:35:36
lauradavis
Yeah, we've talked about this.
01:35:37
Noah
I promise Laura, I will, but I just started talking.
01:35:39
lauradavis
Well, at least i I just I know you felt some sort of way about our last episode. I just want you to listen to it because you were you were just fine.
01:35:50
lauradavis
You were great. So he very much is I feel
01:35:51
Noah
Yeah.
01:35:54
Aaron
Hey, man, I've been telling you for years, you got to have a little more confidence in yourself, man.
01:35:54
Noah
Well.
01:35:57
Aaron
you are You're well spoken.
01:36:00
Aaron
You don't talk as much as I do, but you're well spoken.
01:36:01
Noah
hi prince
01:36:04
Noah
I appreciate it from both of you.
01:36:06
lauradavis
Very thoughtful.
01:36:06
Noah
thank
01:36:06
Aaron
And I will ah will very purposely not bring up the one moment in the time I've known you that you weren't well spoken. And we both know what it is, but I'm not going to say it.
01:36:15
Noah
You know, I was going to use it as a promo to go watch the debates where I was mistakenly, I know it's the same thing.
01:36:18
Aaron
yeah
01:36:21
lauradavis
Wow.
01:36:22
Noah
I mistakenly said that Shelly Duvall earned her abuse on this set of The Shining.
01:36:22
Aaron
Oh, yeah.
01:36:29
Aaron
So, hold on, if we're gonna bring it up now, I have to give more context. It was, first off, this was not for his record.
01:36:35
lauradavis
My goodness.
01:36:36
Aaron
He did not say this thinking I can earn a win. And the second thing was, it was a free for all with like four of them.
01:36:41
lauradavis
Sometimes things just pop out of your mouth. Oh my gosh.
01:36:44
Noah
Yeah, it was.
01:36:44
Aaron
Yeah, there were there were four of them arguing best horror film of all time. And you know what, sometimes mistakes get made. And in Noah's mind, Shelley Duvall wasn't one of them, so.
01:36:51
Noah
That was a big one. Yeah. It's not how I feel.
01:37:01
Aaron
No, no, but aside from that, aside from that, you're you're you you are again, you're not as aggressive, especially in that context. You're not as aggressive as other people, but you're very precise with what you want to say.
01:37:12
Aaron
So, yeah, believe in yourself.
01:37:12
Noah
Yeah, I appreciate it.
01:37:13
Aaron
and
01:37:14
Noah
Thank you. Well, if you guys enjoy listening to me talk, the in the ah we will be continuing with the haunting of blind manner.
01:37:19
Aaron
There you go.
01:37:27
Noah
Thinking that we I don't know if we're going to have another movie to fill in between Laura, but we will be moving on.
01:37:32
lauradavis
You know, let's let's save it for After Blind Manor. Maybe we can talk about Life of Czech because that one looks... very interesting to me it looks better than you know maybe Oculus but um and I for sure don't want to watch Gerald's game respectfully um but I'm i'm excited to jump into Bly Manor and um Aaron you have to let us know if you end up watching any of his other shows if you get into Midnight Mass we'd love to have you back for an episode or two of that
01:38:02
Noah
Oh yes.
01:38:07
lauradavis
um Blind Manor is a very sweet, haunting, kind of a scary story. um But I highly recommend Midnight Mass. It's very thought provoking.
01:38:17
lauradavis
It's very deep. It's um definitely, I think, something he earned the right to do through all these other projects that he's worked on. So again,
01:38:28
Noah
And the best thing about it is you don't need to watch any of his previous series to understand this one.
01:38:29
Aaron
No. Yeah.
01:38:33
Aaron
yeah So correct correct me if I'm wrong, so I'm just going off memory here. Blind manner is the one that was an adaptation of of the turning of the screw, right? Or like mostly is.
01:38:41
lauradavis
Yes, yes.
01:38:43
Aaron
Okay.
01:38:43
lauradavis
It is the turning of the screw and then it also incorporates ah the other short stories of his work.
01:38:44
Aaron
So.
01:38:50
lauradavis
I think it's Henry James, um if I'm remembering right, which I don't always, but um so we'll definitely have to work in reading some of his works as we go through the series to see how they were inspired.
01:38:53
Aaron
Oh, okay. Cool.
01:39:03
lauradavis
And I love that he takes, they're not obscure things, they're classic pieces of literature. But when he did the Midnight Club, I was like, why did he pick that book? Because it's a Christopher Pike, teen, spooky, just obscure book. And he turned it into, was it 10 episodes, a 10 part series?
01:39:22
Noah
Yeah.
01:39:23
lauradavis
a fantastic show.
01:39:24
Noah
Fire.
01:39:25
lauradavis
We're not the audience, but I enjoyed it. But um taking you know the turn of the screw and turning it into into that, I'm excited to to be able to talk about that next.
01:39:36
Noah
Me too, especially because the public seems to not like it as much as we do so.
01:39:37
Aaron
Well, it
01:39:42
lauradavis
They tried to make it a season two to the Haunting of Hill House, but it's so different that I think expectations were the problem.
01:39:49
Aaron
yeah, I think the best thing Netflix did for him was drop the necessary banner.
01:39:49
Noah
No.
01:39:56
Aaron
Because like even without having seen the shows like just hearing about the fact that each one individually sort of takes a different tone a different approach a different could you imagine if each of them had to have the haunting of as like a precursor to whatever they would then fill in as the title it would be it it's like that's like marketing that kills the material it doesn't help it
01:40:12
lauradavis
Oh, gross. Yeah, gross.
01:40:18
lauradavis
It would turn into something completely different. It would bottleneck it into something that wouldn't be worth it.
01:40:21
Noah
No.
01:40:26
Noah
Yeah.
01:40:28
Noah
Well, that being said, I'm very excited to go into Blind Manor.
Podcast Platforms and Conclusion
01:40:33
Noah
We will see you guys there. Thank you so much, Erin, for coming on. Hopefully we will have you on in the future.
01:40:36
Aaron
Thank you for having me.
01:40:38
Noah
um You can, yeah, you can find the podcast anywhere they by the podcast place.
01:40:38
lauradavis
Thank you. Thank you.
01:40:45
lauradavis
You can find the podcast at the podcasts.
01:40:46
Noah
okay
01:40:47
Aaron
There you go.
01:40:48
lauradavis
So look for the podcast.
01:40:49
Noah
Yeah.
01:40:51
Aaron
Podcast, podcast.
01:40:53
Noah
We've got a, we should have a Spotify.
01:40:53
Aaron
yeah do we do we Do we got a Spotify? Do we got a Spotify? Do we have an Apple?
01:40:57
lauradavis
Yeah, yeah.
01:40:58
Noah
Yeah.
01:41:00
lauradavis
Yeah, absolutely.
01:41:01
Aaron
Myspace?
01:41:02
Noah
Yeah.
01:41:02
Aaron
Do we got a Myspace?
01:41:03
Noah
Absolutely. We have a nice.
01:41:03
lauradavis
ah I don't.
01:41:05
Aaron
OK, I'll set that up for you. I'll help you guys out.
01:41:08
Noah
thanks
01:41:09
Aaron
I'm still on there. I'm the only one who asked. but
01:41:14
Noah
i I do know we have an Instagram, so go follow the Instagram and it's plans of plan again as well.
01:41:14
lauradavis
ah
01:41:18
lauradavis
We have, it's what?
01:41:20
Noah
Fans of Flanagan?
01:41:21
lauradavis
You want to try that one more time? One more time?
01:41:23
Noah
Did I not say it right? Fans of Flanagan?
01:41:26
lauradavis
The first time you stumbled a little bit, I'm just giving you a hard time.
01:41:28
Noah
No, thanks.
01:41:29
lauradavis
um We do promote on Instagram and then I publish everywhere that's available.
01:41:30
Noah
My speech impediment.
01:41:34
lauradavis
Google podcasts are not a thing anymore. It's moved over to YouTube. So maybe in the future, we'll switch over to posting our videos and just be completely unhinged.
01:41:42
Noah
Oh, no.
01:41:44
Aaron
Yeah. I, so that's, this is YouTube creator talk.
01:41:44
lauradavis
We'll see.
01:41:47
Aaron
That's a new thing, right? Like they just put that in.
01:41:50
lauradavis
Yep. That's a brand new thing.
01:41:51
Aaron
Okay. Yeah. Cause I, I logged on and I was like, cause I, when I'm setting up a playlist for the the new show, I'm like, they they're like, do you want to set it up as like a playlist of videos or as a podcast?
01:41:52
lauradavis
Yeah. YouTube podcast.
01:42:03
Aaron
And I'm like, has that always been there?
01:42:04
lauradavis
Mm-hmm. It was Google, it was Google podcasts, the X Google podcasts.
01:42:09
Aaron
Okay.
01:42:11
lauradavis
Oh, we're on Audible too.
01:42:11
Aaron
okay
01:42:12
lauradavis
We're on Audible podcasts.
01:42:14
Aaron
Oh, there you go.
01:42:14
Noah
Okay.
01:42:14
lauradavis
Um, but it's switching over to just YouTube podcasts. So I don't know the dynamics of how that works. If it has to be video or if it can be just audio. Uh, we'll see.
01:42:25
lauradavis
We'll see. Um, I'm not well versed in all of this, but we're growing. We're learning.
01:42:30
Noah
We're getting there.
01:42:31
Aaron
and a Honestly, you guys could could survive on YouTube. Just get a ah decent looking ah title card. I don't know if you guys already have one, like a logo, essentially, and just stick that on every video and your're you're golden.
01:42:42
lauradavis
I do. If you look us up on any of our podcast podcasts, um I do have a main thumbnail for our show.
01:42:45
Aaron
There we go.
01:42:48
Noah
you're welcome
01:42:51
Aaron
Yeah, no, like genuinely you can, because I feel like people undersell how much you can listen to a podcast on YouTube. You could just stick the thing on it and you'd be fine.
01:43:01
lauradavis
Yeah. Cool.
01:43:06
Noah
Yeah, well, thank you everyone for listening. We will catch you next time and goodbye.
01:43:11
lauradavis
Bye.
01:43:12
Aaron
Thank you.