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Episode 5: The Bent Neck Lady
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And we're back with episode 5: The Bent Neck Lady. This is Nell's episode as we follow her through her experiences as a child being haunted by this terrifying Bent Neck Lady, as well as in her adulthood being diagnosed with sleep paralysis. Is it that simple, though? We think not.
Also is this episode more about The Haunting of Hill House? or random rants and tangents? Listen to find out! Let's Go!
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Overview
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It's time for House on the Hill. What? It's haunted. Do you mean the haunting of a hill house? Exactly. Let's go.
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Welcome back, everyone to Fans of Flanagan. I am Noah. I'm Laura. And this week we are talking about episode five of The Haunting of Hill House. We're continuing along in this journey. Ooh. Here we go. Do we have to talk about this episode? I really don't want to talk about this episode. You don't? It's so sad. It is so sad. I watched the episodes in the morning before we record, just so everything's fresh. I've cried twice this morning and i I don't want to be crying first thing in the morning. I don't like it. You need you need to take a nap later. You need to recover from that. Exactly.
Personal Updates and Coping with Loss
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It's exhausting. But before we get further on into this discussion,
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Laura, what have you been watching lately? I know it's been a while. What have I been watching? It has been a while. Did you have a good Christmas? Good New Year's? I did. I did. I went to see family and everything. Do all that. Oh, that's so great. Great time. Awesome. Yeah. What about you? Yeah. We had a lot of sickness and some death.
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It's not funny. It's not funny. but I have to use humor to cope because otherwise I'm crying and I can't live like that. so yeah yeah ah We had influenza A um on Christmas, like the whole Christmas weekend. I was like, thank you. I was on the verge of like passing out every five minutes trying to wrap presents.
00:02:38
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taking turns with my husband like okay it's it's your turn to rap okay it's your turn to rap um but we did get all of our wrapping done like on the 23rd so that was nice i got to relax on christmas eve and then on christmas day my daughter got a stomach bug so bad that the day after i took her to the er to make sure she didn't have any appendicitis or uti or anything and they They were able to treat her with some Zofran, which is like an anti-nausea and some ibuprofen and she recovered pretty quick after that. So it really was just a really bad tummy bug, but it was scary for a minute. She lost like a pound in the couple of days. she was word
00:03:19
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not eating anything. But she's okay. She's recovered. She's doing great. on New Year's Day, my mother-in-law passed away. um She went into a decline a couple days before that, and it was just really fast. um But it was kind of her time. So it's sad, and we miss her, but um it is what it is. So um yeah, some family came in, it was nice to see them and
00:03:49
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Yeah, that's always good. and At least you were all there together and even if you were suffering, you were suffering together. Why are you laughing? I'm suffering together.
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I guess we're the same, you know, using humor to cope.
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ah Everyone's going to be listening and thinking you're not being very helpful right now. You are laughing at other people's pain. No, I don't feel laughed at. It's okay. It's okay. Well, oh my goodness. It was nice to see the family that came in and yeah And it was it was sad, but it was, you know, reunions are always are always good. and And I was happy for my mother-in-law because her husband had passed away two years prior. Her mother passed away when she was a lot younger. Her brother passed away when she was even younger than that. So she's lot a lot she's lost a lot of people that she's now reunited with. So I'm happy for her in that regard, but I'm sad that we don't have her here anymore.
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so and It's going to connect to what I have to say about this episode. But yeah, I totally understand. And my great-grandmother, I want to say back in mid-December, she was 99. Her birthday was going to be in in January. She was going to turn 100. um But she, I think fell down broke her hip or I don't know if it was her hip or her leg. And then after that, it just very rapid decline. and She passed away as well.
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um But she she had she was already going through some things. I think she had some like kidney failure or something. So yeah everyone was planning on coming up in January anyway for 100th. But it ended up being a celebration of life as well. wow and yeah All the family was there, all of her care kids were there and most of her kids' kids. And my great uncle I put,
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like ah hour plus long video of her life, all these pictures, all these videos of her. A lot of it was having us laugh because she was she was a very funny woman. And then there were moments where all of us were crying together. So the the joint suffering, yeah the at least you have people there with you to give some comfort. Right. Do you remember that line in that line in the bin diet club where they say there's there's something and suffering like I don't know if it says joy and suffering but there's
00:06:47
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I had it in my head just a second ago. I don't know what's wrong with me. I know what you're talking about, but I can't remember either. And I mentioned it in that episode, but there is there is good things that can come out of out of tragedy. We just have to find it because we can't avoid tragedy, but we can choose to have joy. Yeah. And I love the movie Inside Out. because it kind of shows you how important sadness is. Oh, I loved that part. Yeah. I loved that take in that movie. When they did that, I so good i lost it. I lost it. And that's, and if if I was a child when I watched it, I wouldn't have gotten it until, you know, maybe rewatching it as an adult, but as, you know, watching it at the age that I did, I was like, Oh my gosh.
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yeah but it's so Yeah, it it yeah hit me pretty hard too. Has there been anything you've been watching recently that that's made you sad or or cry tears of laughter or
TV Show Critiques and Preferences
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anything? Tears of laughter, tears of disappointment and laughter and disappointment I watched. What was it called? Fool Me Once? That series that limited series came out on Netflix. Okay. and I was interested in that. no oh yeah uh you know i don't want to ruin it for you but but i feel like we're on the same level as far as what we expect from shows and that one was so lazy it could have been great and then it got really stupid and really obvious and one of the last lines of one of the characters right as she died i was like that was the dumbest thing i've ever heard like what is wrong with these writers
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If you still want to watch it, I won't go into it, but like, watch it for ironically, okay? Don't expect anything serious out of it. You're going to guess all the all the twists and then, and I don't know. I have so much on my watch list. I'm trying to avoid things that are bad enough to where it makes me angry. and theyset yeah Maybe I won't. It was so ridiculous. I couldn't even be angry. it was And there's people that loved it. And okay, good for you. ah Maybe watch something better so you can elevate your taste. But, oh, Cory said something to me the other week. It made me so proud of myself. um He said, Netflix is gonna think that I have like the best taste in shows and movies. And I was like, what are you talking about Netflix? Because Netflix is gonna think.
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And he was like, because of what we watch, what you choose for us to watch, it's going to think we have like, the algorithm is going to think we have really good taste in shows. You think I have good taste in shows and movies. Yay. It's only taken you. It is a great compliment, especially since we've been married for 17 and a half years. And he's fought me tooth and nail on things. And finally he's like, okay, you choose. What are we watching? I need something good. What are we watching? And now you're becoming the connoisseur. I am the connoisseur. I like that. we He's so into Barry right now that we didn't even watch Hill House last night. He was like, he already had it queued to watch Barry. He was like ready for the next episode.
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And so we watched it, and it's the one where Barry gets poisoned by the the wife of somebody that he killed. And like that's the cliffhangers. He's on the ground convulsing from being poisoned. And you know the next episode is coming up. And he had switched it to Netflix, because I was like, we've got to watch Hill House. And he switched it to Netflix, and I was like, oh, it's 10 o'clock. It's late. And I was like, you know what? We can watch another Barry, and I can watch Hill House in the morning. He's like, are you sure? Are you sure? like yeah I'm sure.
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i Especially because this one was a long episode. It was a very long episode. I thought I had more time to watch it this morning than I had. But I was running behind because I had to get that in. Have you been watching anything else? um Probably. There was a movie that I watched. Oh, do I have a list? Oh, well, then go ahead, please, while I look up and see what I have. what I have for watching and I'll just interrupt you. Let's start off with crap. You know how I just previously mentioned that I don't want to waste time with watching bad stuff that's going to make me angry? um Okay. hipcrite I watched bad things that made me angry. Great. Let's hear it. The first one was rebel moon.
00:11:52
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If you haven't seen it, don't. ah that's see Because I heard bad things. I heard it was dumb. It's so bad. it is It's bad enough to where I go. You know, maybe I should give the Star Wars sequel some slack. That's so bad. um Another bad one was Meg 2. And I was I was disappointed in that. There's a 2? Yeah, I think it's I don't know where it might be on Netflix or Amazon. Oh, the the shark one, not the doll one. The Megalodon. yeah Yeah, of course that one's going to be bad, but they make it. The first one. Were they bad at making it bad?
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Yes. Do you know what I mean? Like you watch. Like it was ridiculous. Like Sharknado, you watch it because it's going to be stupid and that makes it enjoyable. So if you're bad at making it bad, that's a whole other level of failing. Yeah. The Meg, the Meg was like Sharknado. Do you know there's a Rebel Moon Part 2 coming out? Yeah, it's coming out. The Scar Giver. Yeah. I have no context for what any of that means. Okay. Well, I will watch it so we can commiserate. Um, yep. The first Meg was like Sharknado, but with major studio. megali Really? Yeah. It did not look like that in the preview.
00:13:17
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Um, the second one, it was just, it was awful. It was just so bad. It was bad at being bad. And I know people that's why people watch the first one is because it's funny that I didn't get any enjoyment out of this one. I, I was so bored. Um, I watched Salt Burn on a plane. Why did you do that? On a plane? I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I did not know. You subjected your passenger mates to visuals of Salt Burn? Oh my gosh. I have never flipped my phone over so fast in my life before.
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OK, just so we're clear, I have not watched it. because of the reaction videos, I went and looked at the parent's guide on IMDB and I was like, who but oh yeah. no you know i i kind of just So no, I didn't watch it.
00:14:23
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And now that's in your head forever. Good luck with that. yeah I oh my god have no context for anything about this movie going into it because that's how I tried to go into most movies now because I like the surprise. I like. Well, how's that working out for you? How'd that work out for you? You know, it does. I'm not spoiled by anything, you know. But you're traumatized. Yeah, I don't go in expecting anything from a movie. So I'm disappointed when it doesn't do what I'm expecting it to do. I'm able to just yeah enjoy it as it wants to be. But yes, I try to do the same thing. But what am I watching? Right. that's Yeah. Right. Oh, my gosh. We watched. I watched. Go ahead. Anyone but you.
00:15:17
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the rom-com with Glenn Powell and Sidney Sweeney. i watch that
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it's It's not breaking the mold with anything, you know? Oh, okay. the The first half of that movie was really funny to me. Um, the second half, not as much, but yeah, the first half of the movie was just really, really funny. And I, I had a good time. Um, that was pretty much nice.
00:15:48
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um There is one with Ali Wong that I watched a long time ago. It was so funny. And I had Keanu Reeves in it playing himself. Always Be My Maybe. Oh my gosh. That one was really fun. And then she did a limited series called Beef that I could not get through because it was so stressful.
00:16:13
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If there is a show or a movie that is ah a little too placed in the real world, like it could happen, right? Like things like this could conceivably happen, but it's it stressful. I don't like it. yeah yeah and So it's just like this feud between two people and they keep escalating it and I'm like, I can't do this anymore. I have to be done. So I did not finish it, but it was funny. Okay, what's your next one? ah Leave the world behind. I don't know if you saw that one. Did I? Mahershala Ali.
00:16:54
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um Oh, what's that guy's name? Oh, no, because that one looked stressful. Did you like it? I heard bad things about it. Did you like it? i i yeah I liked it. um I know people didn't like the ending. There's a whole bunch of weird stuff that happens and like a lot of the characters I didn't like, but just because it's because I didn't like the characters, not the actors. um I'm glad you've separated that. Look how much I've grown. How far? You have made so much progress. I'm so proud of you. Who was it? Or was it... um It was on Eternal Sunshine. Oh, no, it was that. And before that, it was Eternal Sunshine where you're like, I just don't like Kate Winslet. And I was like, hold on. Yeah. You convinced me. You're like, she didn't do a good job. And I proved to you she did a really good job. Oh, I've been watching Game of Thrones.
00:17:55
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again or for the first time? For the first time I read the books. Okay. I'm very familiar with the books and so I felt like I'd seen it because I had seen it. Well I because I hadn't seen it but I'd read the books but like they did such a good job at keeping with the books in the series that it felt like I didn't need to. I know because they were making that up and because they had nothing no other source material. yeah ah huh But they, I, I know what's coming. I understand. So are you enjoying it? Like as someone who's read the books now that you're going through it? Oh yeah. I have no complaints on how they translated it to film. How far are you? But that just, uh, season three, a couple of episodes into season three. Okay. But that just makes me know what's coming.
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Of course. Yeah. Well, which is why I hadn't watched it before, because I just know that nothing gets better.
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It's like watching Breaking Bad for the second time. It just is frustrating because you know that nothing gets better. It just gets bad yeah until it's over. Just gets worse and worse until it's just over. I will never watch Breaking Bad again. No, because then you hate Walter White, which you should. He's terrible. Yeah.
00:19:15
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Oh, I got Corey to watch Barbie movie. Well, my daughter did. She said, I want to watch that. And he was like, okay for you. And I was like, that's acceptable. If not for me. and Yeah. And he liked it. That's good. like I liked it. That's really proud of him. Yeah.
00:19:38
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Anything else? What else are you watching? We recently watched the How to Train Your Dragon trilogy. I had seen the first two. I hadn't seen the last one. Did you like it?
00:19:51
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Yes, very much so. Jacqueline hasn't seen any of them. So I was like, I think you need to watch this because you I think you you would love it um because she loves like cute things, you know, it's a really cute. Yeah. um Yeah. She loved the first one, loved the second one. um And then we both sobbed on the third one. And she doesn't cry at all. for during any movies in real life, nothing. She does not cry. It got to her. She was sobbing. Yeah, she was sobbing. Just kidding, Jacqueline. I love you.
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and We were sobbing together on the couch. Oh, because the third movie, I was really sad. Oh, my gosh. I don't think I liked the last one as much as the first two, but for some reason the motions just hit harder. Yeah. So I have a son that is obsessed with that right now. And we have the DVD player in the car and he's been watching the third one on repeat for like three weeks now. So I've actually never sat down and watched the third one from beginning to end. And I don't even know if I've watched the second one from beginning to end. I didn't know that his father dies in the second one. What?
00:21:07
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He dies and my kids are like, yeah, Toothless did it. And I'm like, what?
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They're like, if you listen, you'll hear the moment when Toothless kills him. I was like, Oh, okay. And then we read. the first three How to Train Your Dragon books together. And by the way, they're completely different from the movies, but it's okay because the movies on their own are good. And the books on their own are good. Like they took the idea and the characters and they made the movie but the concept and the plot totally separate, totally different. Like Toothless in the books is like this big and he's
00:21:58
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um really defiant and stubborn and obstinate.
00:22:06
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See I think that's like a like a secret way where you can make shows or movies from books you know I think that's like
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in some ways, a safe way of doing it. Because by changing so much of it, you're telling um your your own story, basically, just Yeah, but what DreamWorks did with the concept, borrowed you know, was great. Yeah. Yeah, they took the concept and made their own. And I think that it's great. It's good. Yeah. And the last the last thing I want to mention, and I want to see if you've seen it. um I don't know if you read the Percy Jackson books. Have you been watching the show at all? No, I don't have Disney.
00:22:56
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Yeah. Okay. But is it good? Are you happy with it? I'm confused. I have to sneak it onto my Hulu account because my husband is doing a Disney boycott, which I understand. um
00:23:13
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We really haven't been doing well. No, not really. And he's like, my $6.99 is not going to them a month. Okay. Okay. That'll show him. um But he wanted to get rid of Netflix and that's where I drew the line.
00:23:34
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I recently letters yeah got rid of HBO. um one because I feel like I don't really watch too many things on HBO now. If if there's something that comes on there, then I'll consider it. Yeah. Like when House of Dragon comes back, I'll probably do it. um But like um I want kind of want to get rid of some more just because a lot of them are kind of fun, but I would keep Netflix. I would definitely yeah Netflix. Yeah, I've got Hulu because I don't have time to watch like network shows in the evening. So I watch them the next day on Hulu.
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um
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and We've got a couple of things attached to our prime account like star. No, I think we canceled stars. Whatever network Outlander is on, we have that one. Okay. Which I think is stars. I don't know. Maybe FX. I don't know if I don't really know too much. No, because most of the FX shows they actually post on Hulu. And then we have Peacock because I fall asleep to the office. very
00:24:41
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is It's like the only ASMR that's acceptable to me. What were we talking about? Oh, Percy Jackson. Percy Jackson. Are you happy with it, though? I don't know. um The last episode is coming out Tuesday night. We're probably going to watch it on Wednesday because we're in bed before the episode comes out. Okay.
00:25:07
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I was loving it in the beginning because it felt like they pretty much took everything out of the book and put it into the show as as best as they could. Yeah. um And change things that in a way where it felt OK. Yeah. I don't know if you read the books, but the whole Medusa scene was a little bit different. for um
00:25:34
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But like towards the end, it's it's starting to feel lifeless. You know, for some reason, it doesn't have like the the ah the life in it for like for some reason. I'm I'm I wonder if that's like an editing issue, like if it's a director editing ah issue, maybe we'll fix it in the next season. yeah i'm missing i'm I'm missing some of that. Oh, I think the actors are great. I think they're the cast of them because they felt like the trio from the books. um Not purely based off of what their physical attributes are, but just how they are as people. um And I've really been liking them. I really enjoy them. um Nice. Interacting with each other. But other than that, it's sort of like tapered off for me towards the end here. Gotcha.
00:26:28
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Okay, cool. So I have not read the books. Two of my my oldest son has read all of the original series and now he's on like the next batch of books. um And then my middle son is is reading is going is currently going through the original series. they They really are good. I love them. Um, there was like a period where I would not stop reading them over and over and over again because they're so good. Um, that's awesome. That that's all now. No. Have you, have you caught up on both seasons of wheel of time? Yes. Yes. Yes. While, while back. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Yeah. I,
00:27:14
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I think we've said as much as we wanted to say about that show.
00:27:21
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Yep. All right. Actually, my last, my very last thing, my last thing will be, um, about fall. I just can't remember if we talked about Matt though. Did you finish it? Cause you did not. No. Okay. Ever since. That last episode that which one was the last one you watched episode two or three? Did you get to think it was three? I think it was three. Okay. I, if she's putting off three, I've been putting it off for a little bit. I'm like, yeah, I gotta take a break from the give some time. I'm going to finish it. I'm not going to not finish it, yeah but I have to, I'm putting it off right now.
00:28:00
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ah Because it's been a lot.
Episode 5 of 'The Haunting of Hill House' Discussion
00:28:03
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It's the episode that's based on tell tell heart, I think is rough. Just just as you go into it, not as traumatizing as episode two, there's nothing as traumatizing as episode two. But I can't remember if it's episode four or five.
00:28:27
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But you'll know it when you get to it. I'm sorry. And you'll know when I get to it because I'll text you. be Please. and ah yeah show again I am enjoying the life. I am enjoying the life texting. It is. It's a good time. I forgot to share that with everybody. we get wait Can't wait. ah Anyway, it's been like almost 30 minutes and we haven't even started talking about the episode. This is what happens when we haven't spoken in a long while. So that's true. We have, we got a lot to catch up on a lot of, a lot of content that we watched. Um, this one obviously was directed by Mike Flanagan. I have a jump scare count of two. Okay.
00:29:12
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Are we in, are we in agreeance? Do you think so? Okay, great. Um, you know, I, it's sort of like the same jumpsuit. Yeah, but if you count all of them, but I'll, I'll trust you on the two. Okay. Um, one's right here in the beginning. We start off at Hill House on the first night. Nell is sleeping with Luke in the same room. She sits up in bed, and we immediately get a jump scare of the bent neck lady. Boom, we're at the end of the her bed. We get the musical sting, everything. It's like the setting cut. She's screaming. Screaming, yeah. And it makes Nell scream. Screaming. The bent leg lady is screaming. Yeah.
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um
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and Obviously Nels screams back. It's this weird figure at the end of her bed screaming. Um, and this is the first night. This is the very first night. She's the youngest one in the house. So there, there's something going on in this house and right now it's only happening to her at the very beginning. It started happening to her. Obviously Luke, it happens to Luke a little bit later and Theo gets a little bit of it. But again, we don't, we don't really see it happening to the older kids as much. Um, but she's sitting in bed with her parents and her parents are like, Oh, maybe it was a, like a nightmare. And she's like, no, I was awake. I was awake for it like, it wasn't a nightmare.
00:30:51
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Um, and the next night she wants to sleep on a couch, not in the room because she doesn't want the bedneck lady to be there as well. And that was like, all right, I'll stay with you. I'll sleep on the floor. Um, in the middle of the night, it was like, she's asleep. She'll be fine. I'm going to go in my bed. So I have to sleep on a floor and actually be comfortable. Because as we get older, our backs hurt all the time. All the time, my back hurts so in my bed. yeahp yeah
00:31:24
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Just throw me away and get him. Give me a new one. Um, so she leaves in the middle of the night. And then obviously, of course, as soon as she leaves now wakes up and sees the bent neck lady hanging right over her, like kind of like, Oh, it's such a creepy shot. Yeah. And like the way that her, shot to her hair, the bent, like, met Let me try that again. The bent neck lady's hair was falling towards the floor.
00:32:00
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And how it's like out of frame in the and the first. Yeah. and And it zooms out and then you see the hair hanging. Yeah, that slow reveal was great.
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um
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Then I think it's the next day or like some in a certain amount of time after that. Um, and Nell was asking about Lou's locker, a locket. Um, and how Nell and Luke are both in the locket. And when Nell gets older, she can have it. Um, I looked for it throughout the episode as it goes through her her life and it's very poignant that she doesn't have it yet. Yeah. Because I looked like, where is it? talk about at the end
00:32:58
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Did you? And then in the in that shot of the bent neck lady hanging over her, I think it's whispering like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, something like that. Yeah, that's that's the one. OK, I messed it up a little bit. It was. Well, yeah, when she was hanging over her on the couch, she was saying no over and over again. Yeah. Super creepy.
00:33:26
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You know, if, if I see something in the middle of the night that looks like a person, it could be a trick of the light. It could be my eyes. As soon as I start hearing words come from that figure, nope that's even scarier because now I know it's, it's got, it's something else. It's yeah. It has some measure of reality to it. No, thanks. Yep.
00:33:50
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Then we get to the future and Nell is now seeing a sleep tech because it's obvious that she has sleep paralysis. um I didn't mention that when she was sleeping on the couch, but we noticed that she couldn't move at all and she was just forced to stay there. um Which didn't happen the first time she saw her. Yeah. Yeah. It was the second time. I don't know what that means. Maybe if you have some more insight, I'm not sorry to figure that out. I just have like a little bit of random knowledge about sleep paralysis. It's not something I experienced, but my husband has experienced it. And basically what the sleep tech said in the show is that you have these hormones in different stages of sleep. So you don't get up and act out your dreams. Your, your, your body does shut off your muscles.
00:34:38
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So you can't get up and act out your dreams. And there's disorders where it doesn't happen and you do get up and you start sleepwalking and you're literally acting out your dreams because that part is not working correctly. But the opposite is when you wake up in the sleep paralysis state during your REM sleep or your dream state. I don't remember if REM is the same as your dream state but um deep enough that you can't move but you wake up but your dreams are still going. But you're awake, like your brain is still in dream mode, but your eyes are open. So sometimes there's visual hallucinations. My husband said he's seen shadows in corners of the room. He's seen shadows over him. And it feels like something sitting on your chest. There's like a physical feeling that goes with it. So that's all I really know about sleep paralysis, but it is a real condition. It's a sleep disorder. And it's terrifying because it is,
00:35:37
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in that moment real because you are awake. But it's literally your your brain. Like showing you. I don't know. Yeah, it's it's play tricks on you. Yeah. but There's nothing you can really do until there's a commonality between people that that have sleep paralysis. They see a shadow person. So I don't know what that means. I don't know if there's anything paranormal linked to it, but it's interesting in the show when the first time she sees the Bentley lady, she's not in a sleep paralysis. She's sitting up. She's confused. You know, that moment where you see something weird and your brain takes a minute to compute, to catch up to what you're seeing. Yeah. and its that like gar was like She was like, mike what am I looking at?
00:36:24
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that makes, but that's interesting thing about, and and that's terrifying. I would just imagine waking up, you're you're from a dream. You probably still remember the dream a little bit. And then you see things and you know you're cognizant, but you're seeing things. You can't do anything about it. You can't do anything about it. Yeah. Yeah. um But the sleep tech is just kind of comforting her and saying this is completely normal. This is happens ah We're gonna run tests on you and come up with a plan um So you have a toolbox that you can use to calm yourself down and to get rid of the anxiety And she says something that is very important to this episode um That's the main theme of this episode. She says it's nice to be listened to and
00:37:18
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Oh, yeah. I want you to keep that in your mind, please. Yes. The rest of the episode. Yes. And then he's asking her, do you drink coffee? Like sort of ah as a part of the questionnaire, like the health questionnaire. And she takes it as him asking her out. um And he's like, no, I was doing a part for the medical history, but I was going to do it at the end anyway. but So I thought that was funny. That was cute. That was really cute. It was so cute is watching them. but You get the montage of them falling in love and how they end up married. a Quick question for you. The scene where they're on the couch kissing. Do you know what movie that is that's playing? Because I don't.
00:38:12
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No, it's it's like an older movie. It's an older movie. I just don't know. Uh, what it was. No, should we find out? Because maybe if you can, does it mean anything? I was just curious because they focus in on it, they zoom in on it and show a scene. I was yeah I was just wondering what movie it was. Let me see if there's any like.
00:38:40
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um Keep going and I'll see what I can find in the meantime. Sounds good. um
00:38:49
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Yeah, so we don we see them falling in love. Nell wakes up at one point during this whole thing, and she's in sleep paralysis. um But he's there with her, and he walks her through it. um His name is Arthur, I believe.
00:39:06
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he He helps walk her through it. He turns on the light, just focus on your breathing, focus on trying to clench your fist, and all these things help her. And she ends up getting out of it. And and he noted that it ah had been a long time. Yeah. Yeah. um And she just seems very thankful that someone's there to catch her basically just to to be there for her.
00:39:34
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Then we get to their wedding. There's a whole bunch of funny things at their wedding like Steve and her. watching Shirley, watching Theo when the realization that but she might be bi or lesbian go through Shirley's head and she gets her husband's attention. That's kind of funny. Okay. The movie that they were watching on TV is called To Catch a Thief with Cary Grant and Grace Kelly. I knew it was Grace Kelly. and I didn't want to say it because I'm like, oh, how do I, how would I even know?
00:40:04
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But that's hurt. But yeah, that's Kelly and Cary Grant. And I have watched that movie before. It's a really good one. OK. I think they did it. And called it something else. But yeah, that's a great movie. Well, now we all know I was just interested because they they focused on it. So I figured it was a little bit important. I wonder if they had to pay anything. Yeah, probably. maybe Maybe, depending on what the studio was. But back at the wedding, she's slow dancing with with Steve a little bit. Or I think it's Arthur. I don't know which one it is. But she looks over at Hugh and she sees Liv holding on to Hugh. And you can kind of see like the sadness and everything that her mom isn't actually there. Yeah.
00:41:05
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And then that one shot of of the dad without the mom behind them, that was really sad. Um, Steve feels nicer than the other siblings. Um, I know, yeah, at the wedding, like I know it's her wedding and like all the siblings are going to be nicer, but
00:41:28
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Like the way that Steve has interacted with everybody else, he he feels like nicest towards towards the ah towards. that Yeah. And I don't know. really It's like the youngest or. No, I liked that moment that they had when they were dancing. It's really sweet. Yeah. um And then we get a heartbreak. Oh, my gosh. It got. months of marriage together. That's all they got. That's all they got. It is so sad and it makes me so sad. I think I can't think about it too seriously for, for too long. yeah Um, no, because it's no, it's too much. Yeah. They, she wakes up in another sleep paralysis episode. He's like, again, he says, Oh, it's been a while since you've had one of these. He goes to get up to turn on the light.
00:42:27
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And he kind of like, his body kind of like seizes up and then he falls down and she's like, she can't do anything because she's in sleep paralysis. Her body, her body can't move. Oh my gosh. She's so helpless. Yeah. And then she sees the bet neck lady and she's just, she's trying to cry, but obviously she can't. Did you because she's did you did you notice when he, he got up. And he stood there for a second and he he tilted his head. So for a second he was at the same angle as the bent neck lady. oh no
00:43:06
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ah huh nop no yeah yep um She finally is able to break out of it a little bit and then ends up just was crying on his body. Yeah. oh Oh, it's like, it's so sudden that she couldn't be there. And you can't do anything. And it's like trauma on trauma.
00:43:37
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I can't even imagine and so they only had eight months together, too. Or eight months of marriage. I don't know. He was so good for her. Yeah, he was so good for her. He really was because he again, like he actually getting like, yeah. when she said it's nice to be listened to, you know? Yeah. And the fact that he's always there. He didn't dismiss her. He didn't get sick of her. He protected her. He was, you know, he was understanding of what she was going through. That's all she needs. That's all she needed. That is all she needed. I'm getting so mad at fictional characters right now.
00:44:19
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Rightfully, so that's a constant basis of and getting fictional people.
00:44:29
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Obviously, we're not ah we're not there yet, but I'll I'll get there. I promise. Then we flash back to young now and she found a ah teacup set in the toy room. which Miss Dudley doesn't recognize. She's like, toy room? Where's that? And now immediately like, oh, yeah, it's a tea set. It doesn't elaborate at all about the toy room. Yeah, she kind of gives like a huh, at toy room, which yeah it's easy to miss, but it's so meaningful. I love it. Very. I don't believe that I didn't get it at all. The entire first watch that I did, all the hands that they had,
00:45:12
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You you would have how would you? How would you? Yeah. How would you? You're not supposed to. Because that wouldn't. It's a huge house. Of course, there would be all these different rooms. Yeah. And then Miss Dudley says um because they they they pick out this special Cup of Stars, what they call it. It's a really cute teacup with like a silver filament in the shape of like stars on the outside. It's really cute. Yeah. And Ms. Deadly says that the couple of stars probably belong to Jacqueline Hill. Yeah. That's my wife's name. Not the way they spell it, but that's my wife's name. Yeah. And her mother. Sorry. And her. I do that all the time. She hates it. Random reference.
00:46:07
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a a ro like a ro real fake That's like one of those things that holds such cultural significance that it shaped everybody. Like everyone has seen that video. And now I feel so bad for people named Jacqueline or Aaron because they can never be called their names normally ever again.
00:46:36
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ten ki you
00:46:42
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oh anyway Anyway, Jacqueline's mother was the one who owned the house. I think it was sad that she, like when she was sick and on, on her bed, she would says, Oh, she needs her cup of stars. um And then the next quote that Miss Dudley says, because now it's like, Oh, I'm going to use it for everything for like orange juice and milk and what, like all this stuff that she didn't drink out of it. Unless her mom says she can't drink out of it or something like that. And I didn't really like this moment, but miss Dudley was like, use your cup of stars. Once they have trapped you like everyone else, you will never see your cup of stars again. And I was like.
00:47:28
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Huh? It's a cup.
00:47:37
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I didn't realize what this Nell had said. Nell had said, I'm not allowed to have things that are fragile because I broke a mug once. so I'm not allowed to have things that are fragile. Yeah. And so that's why Mrs. Dudley said you fight for your little cup of stars. And a I didn't like or dislike that moment. I thought it was a good little ah teaching moment to her to stand up for herself.
00:48:07
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I guess. And so it was a little silly. it it it was it's something It was something that made me laugh. So I know that was something that pulled me out of the moment. So I just had to mention it. Yeah, good that's fair. theyy but let me chuckle what oh And then Nell is washing the cup of stars, Liv comes in and she seems upset. And she's like, come here right now, young lady. And she blames Nell for writing um her name on the wall. And I was like, I didn't do it. She's like.
00:48:49
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I don't care. And then Theo comes in and and she's like, well, why don't you believe her? And then she gets the the migraine in her head and she's like, I don't care. You both better wash it off before I get back. And Theo fills the wall and she's like, I know you didn't write it. And then they peel off some of the wallpaper and really creepy. It says, come home. Come home now. So creepy. Really creepy. Under the wallpaper. Under the wallpaper.
00:49:23
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I'm so sorry. I heard talking in my apartment and I got so scared for just a second. I got terrified. I was like... Am I getting broken in two? Are you? No. I was playing a game and I paused the game and I guess the system turned off and and when it does that it goes to to the TV station. Give me one second. I'll go turn it off.
00:49:53
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Take your time.
00:50:21
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Now that I know that I'm not getting broken into. Only 10 seconds of dead air. Sorry about that. You're leaving that in. Yep.
00:50:35
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Because this is real life. just Anyway, sorry about that. ah I just heard talking. I was like, huh? I shouldn't be hearing anything now.
00:50:52
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Uh, anyway, we flash forward to the future and now is taking Luke to rehab. And then he tells her to pull over and if he can do her a favor, um, they hated this so much. Oh, he needs to get well one last time. And he wants now to buy him heroin. He asks his sister. to go talk to a heroin drug dealer at night. At night. Excuse me. A woman at night buying heroin.
00:51:36
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Yeah. Do you have any more words for this? Nope. Just my disappointment in Luke. How dare you? Fictional character with flaws and problems. but Exactly. How dare you? How dare you? No, he's not in his right mind and that's the struggle with being around an addict is they can't think in a healthy way or make healthy decisions and they put other people in situations. Anyway, nope, I don't have anything else to say. Let's move on.
00:52:13
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i I was just going to say I was upset because he guilt trips her into doing it for him. And he's saying like, Oh, I always believed you when nobody else did. Like, I was always there like, do this thing for me because I i didn't stuff. I was i believed you. Um, and it's even more messed up because he just casually asks about her not really paying attention, not really caring. It's like, Oh, how are you doing? You still collecting buttons as he's shooting up heroin. Um, she's, she's trying to talk to him. She's trying to talk to him. She tries to, to say, um,
00:52:57
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To like anybody the that's gonna listen like what's going on with her like this is after her husband has died like Mm-hmm, and he's just like Shooting up heroin into his foot Just saying. That's disgusting. um ah Oh, that scene. And the mill and i'm in in the middle of this, she sees the betneck lady out of the car. Yeah. And he just doesn't care because he's in the middle of getting his high. Yeah. She has no one again. Nope. Nobody.
00:53:36
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He says we all need a little help sometimes, but he's really just talking about himself. yeah He doesn't realize that now also needs help. He's not capable of caring in that moment. Oh, oh, it's so frustrating and not just not just Luke. Everyone else does it. We'll get to their their parts, too. That's heartbreaking. Yeah. Anyway, after she sees the bedneck lady, she throws all of her pills down the toilet.
00:54:08
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and gets rid of all of the hope.
00:54:13
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I'm going to treat it as like a Band-Aid, you know? Because I don't... Well, knowing what we know at the end of the episode, there was nothing she could have done to have avoided seeing those visions. It was going to happen no matter what.
00:54:32
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Which is sad. Yeah. Again, the pills might have been a temporary fix, but she just really needed somebody. She needed somebody. Yeah, no, she did. Absolutely. Just having somebody to help her through that terror would have made all the difference for her, I think. especially But it's like a self-fulfilling, it's the self-fulfilling prophecy that when you get to the reveal at the end, that it happens because it happened. You know?
00:55:08
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ah the the The visions happened because she was alone and disappointed and isolated over and over. But she was ignored and isolated because of what she was going through. Yeah. Yeah. it's It's really fun how Flanagan wrote that. I mean, I don't know if that's something he got from Shirley Jackson in her book. I haven't read the book. and we will i we we can We'll have to decide if we want to watch the other movies or read the book or both. I don't know.
00:55:45
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Yeah, yeah. um I don't know if that's something that she put in there. And I don't want to give all the blame to or not blame all the props to Mike Flanagan for writing it if it was actually her. um But I just think that that's a fun little piece of writing. Just yeah like you were saying the self fulfilling part of it. Yeah.
00:56:10
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She's alone because of this, but she's because of, because of that, she's alone. yes What does it all mean? I don't know. It's fun to think about it. Yeah. but Yeah. It's a piece of art. We all have way what you we all have like a lot in life. We have our lots and what makes it better is how we're capable of dealing with things and the people we have around us that that can help us through it. So she, I think, Oh, can't, I can't go in circles like this. Cause I'm like, if she had people around her to support her and make her feel comforted as she went through these scary things, maybe she wouldn't have gone to the house. But if she didn't go to the house, would that have been happen spoiler, the the visions wouldn't have happened.
00:57:07
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Is that, is that something that
00:57:12
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makes this show not as enjoyable for you? Is that one of the things? No, not at all. No, that's one of the things that I would enjoy that i I would say I enjoy about it. Okay. Is the complexity of that kind of a thought of a thought ah train. So okay.
00:57:28
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Oh, she goes to her therapist after and she's she's talking to him and she says after she dropped Luke off, she felt and intense, like flew the first couple of days that he was there. And we know it's because of the twin thing. The twin thing. Yeah, she got back at him. I love that. I love that. Oh, my.
00:57:56
Speaker
A delay. That was amazing. Sometimes it takes me a little bit to realize what somebody said. And then my brain goes, wait a minute.
00:58:12
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It makes it worse when anyone says it so casually. Jacqueline does that to me all the time. She'll just say something completely out of pocket, completely funny, but in such a straight face and a casual tone. Then I'm like, yeah, yeah. um My brain goes, wait a minute. What did she just say? i like
00:58:38
Speaker
I think she and I are kindred spirits because I think I do. I did that last night at dinner. I said something just offhand in this really, we were having a funny situation at the dinner table and I made just this two word comment and my 11 year old lost it. He was drinking, so he was drinking root beer and he literally spit it out. He was just so like, he did a spit take and it was so funny. I couldn't even get mad.
00:59:09
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My husband was laughing and I'm and the whole table was just is chaos, but it was amazing so that was i' back at him yeah That was a good one thank you for that any time anytime oh the The way you just delivered that ah What goes around comes around Luke I guess you know That's what you get for making your sister buy you heroin
00:59:54
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There you go.
01:00:01
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Wow. of Anyway, I think at this point he, um the the therapist also asks her, are you taking your, your, your, your pills? Like how were they? She said, Oh yeah, they're great. I'm fine. okay Oh, that therapist that she goes to, yeah he was in, um, The other movie of Haunting of Hill House. There's been a few, but he played in. I had just looked it up. I didn't I don't know there were movies about about about. Yeah. Oh, yeah. OK. Yeah. but they're They're pretty bad.
01:00:42
Speaker
I have no idea. Okay. But that's why I was saying we have to decide. that's That's why I said we need to decide after we're done with the episodes if we want to watch the movies or if we want to read the book or if we want to do both. I think both sounds good. I think it'd be fun. It depends on how long the book is. I don't know how much attention I have.
01:01:06
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Anyway, let me let me get back. Let me get to the trivia. Russ Tamblin, who plays Nell's psychiatrist, appeared in the original film adaptation of The Haunting in 1963. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Very cool.
01:01:26
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um In the next scene, she's basically telling Theo the same thing um that she took Luke to get heroin, and then after that, right to rehab. And Theo's like, you did what? yeah That's not how you help an addict. and i Like, she in that situation, she wouldn't have been talked into doing the same. Are you kidding me? Yeah. She's up on her. I don't know. I feel like I feel a little more stonewalled and she should be like, ah no, you're going right to rehab. I'm not getting you don't think she would have been at least swayed to the point of thinking about it. No, I don't think so because. No. A part of now at the end.
01:02:15
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A part of her thing is, oh, yeah, she stood up to her siblings like she's proud of that. So she's usually not a type of person who stands out for herself. So I think maybe Luke played on that knowing his sister. That's a fair point. If it would have been Theo, I don't think he would have gotten away with it at all. She's like, I'm not stopping for anything. You're going right to rehab. Yeah, that's a fair point. Or or she would have been like, hey, if you're not taking this seriously, I won't even drop you off. kind of Yeah, you just get out. Yeah. um True.
01:02:48
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um But the I was like, Yeah, that's not how how you hope an addict you don't get them. Well, like you don't give them more drugs if you try to get them off drugs. Yeah. And then She asks Theo to touch the pillow of where her husband of her husband's pillow where he used to sleep. And Theo originally was coming out here to just have fun with her sister and hang out with her sister. And now now is asking her to do all these things. Theo gets upset about it after the second time.
01:03:33
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I thought I was going to sneeze. It didn't happen.
01:03:42
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you got five seconds of me just looking off into the distance and i knew exactly what you were doing i was like okay is it coming no no no i thought it was gonna be quick and nope all right um thio gets upset um at no for asking her to do this and She's like, I thought we were coming into your house to hang out. I thought we were going to go to the museums or go on the beach or something. And now you're treating me like a servant, basically. Yeah. um But she's not. Again, like everybody else, she's being strictly. Self selfish right now, and she's only focusing on herself. It's like, gosh, like, why are you making me do this? like
01:04:33
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But she's not listening or seeing what Mel really needs. And what now really needs is a sister and someone to just be there because she feels lonely. She feels alone and isolated like like you've you've been saying. Yeah. And Theo takes it personally and they have a fight and everything and
01:04:57
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Oh, now we're on the attack. She was. Oh, yeah. Feels like I have your back, but I like I have my limits and now responds. Yeah, with us, just not yourself. You know, you do all these things for yourself, but you you know don't really do anything for any of us. That kind of thing. And they have a big fight. And she's like, you can't lecture me on this when you're in Shirley's guest house, basically. Yeah. And that makes her storm out. And that was a trigger. Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:28
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Um, then right after that now shows up at Steve's book tour and yep in the middle of his book tour is like, why are you scamming these people? You don't believe any of this. Why are you selling this crap if you don't even believe it? Why you why are you scamming these people? In both of those instances, she's coming from this point of view of standing up for herself and advocating for herself, but not in a way that's gonna help other people listen to her. yeah She's creating situations that make them automatically defensive.
01:06:07
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So she's alone if she does and she's alone if she doesn't. you know Do we blame them for acting the way they acted? No.
01:06:17
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I blame them for all the other times they let her down. Really? it Yeah, I agree. And then she even tries again and they ignore her. Yeah. And that makes that first episode all the more sad because she was trying, trying just trying to talk to somebody. Yep. And the resignation she got to by the time she called her dad, yeah she's like, you know what? and I'm okay. All right. And I'm alone.
01:06:51
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She says she's like standing up for herself. But in these last two scenes, it feels like she's just pushing everybody away. Exactly. Yeah. And that's she she doesn't have a. ah She doesn't know how to. Try to talk to them in a way that they're not going to get defensive, right? Because she was using Theo without her permission, basically. And then she was embarrassing Steve. Like he said, this is my work. Like, this is like my office. And I love that moment though, because he needed to hear those words. Because it's everything I've been thinking this whole series too. like
01:07:32
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Yeah. You're profiting off of other people's trauma that you dismissed our whole lives. And now you're scamming these people. Like I was kind of like, yeah, I'm with you on this one, but you're not going to get him to listen to you and help you taking that route. as You're attacking him. but Exactly. But he, I'm like, good for you. Yeah. but she it's not And of course she's not doing it in a healthy way because Right. She's wanting. She doesn't know how to. She doesn't know how to. She's trying to get the attention from her siblings. Right. She doesn't know how to. Yeah. Right.
01:08:16
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And Steve says now doesn't get to go around smashing others lives because she transitions. She's transitioning. She's in another transition. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, that is that rough. That's a deep you right there. Yeah. If you notice that she has been bouncing back and forth between all these ways of coping. Right. She's doing everything you're supposed to be doing. She's, she's searched. she She got professional help in the medical field, in the therapist field. She's trying to get help from her family, which, you know, they fail her, but what else was she supposed to do? Yeah.
01:09:01
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It's, oh, it's, it's so frustrating. It's so sad. I feel so bad. She has, she has some culpability in how she and behaved with them. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody's perfect. Right. But, but they're also not responsible for her. Like once you're grown up, you know, you're not really responsible for your siblings. They should have had some compassion towards her, I think, but what you should do and what you have to do aren't always in alignment, but them. If that makes sense. so It does. yeah does yeah It's a hard position and I like the show because it's not black and white. There is no right absolute right thing. It's complex which I appreciate. And even Steve who I think we agree that we don't like the most
01:09:55
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we under sort of i understand him absolutely we understand him and and where he's coming from and why he doesn't mean i'm not frustrated with him yeah yeah yeah but but i'm coming from the the point of view of myself and like what would i do but if we were to say he's a real person you know he's not me we're all different and he responded the way he did i just i just hate that he capitalized on it. but yeah because Like if he just dismissed it and like went on his way and lived his life in any other, any other way, I wouldn't hate him so much. It's the fact that he used these experiences that traumatized his family that killed his mother and then made millions from it at the same time.
01:10:46
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as dismissing it. I don't know how many more times we can beat this dead horse, but oh my gosh. So I was, I was, I was okay with Mel yelling at him in front of people in that moment. Cause I'm like, he kind of needs to hear that. And he needs to see it through the audience's reaction to it. Right. Yeah. He for sure deserves it. Yeah. And I don't, it's not going to stop his book sales. He's going to be fine. It didn't change him. No, not at all. He just got more frustrated and more and self-righteous. Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. But obviously we see him changes later. And we're not that at that point in his arc yet, but I don't yeah play the point. Anyway.
01:11:36
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She goes back to the psychologist. um I don't even know if that's his official title. I'm assuming or a therapist. I'm assuming that's what he's getting therapy. Yeah. Well, he's giving her meds. So it would be a psychiatrist if you want to be technical about it. Yeah. Yeah. He's not a great one.
01:11:57
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Um, she was like, well, you told me to stand up for myself. And then she goes and does that. And then he's like, well, maybe you need to confront your trauma and you confront your past. Maybe you need to see that your house is really just a house. It's a carcass in the woods. Maybe you should go see it. Maybe he should have read Steve's book.
01:12:20
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And he's like, are you taking your drugs? Are you taking them? Are you sure? Are you sure? Are you sure?
01:12:28
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just put drugs on everything that's fine that's all you need ah anyway um Yeah. And the other thing is he uses her dead husband as an excuse for it. He's like, what would your husband think? what would What would he think of all this? Huh? He wouldn't want you to do this. If my husband was here, I wouldn't be going through this. Exactly. Was her point of view. Whether that's true or not. are you ah She said like he that the bent neck lady has not shown up since she met her husband.
01:13:07
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I don't know if it it never would have happened again. Oh, maybe it wouldn't have. Cause then if he stayed around, if he didn't die, she would never have gone to the house. and so That's why it kind of stopped. Yeah. Yeah. It's complicated. I don't know. Supernatural things. Supernatural things. It happened because it did happen. It's basically it. Have you read the book by Orson Scott Card called Pathfinder? I haven't. That is the the best explanation of time travel and consequences I have ever read. Okay. Ever. It is probably the most accurate like action consequences as far as time travel goes. Mm-hmm.
01:13:52
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that I think is out there, that it happened because it did happen. Why, if you go back to the past and change it, you can't because it happened. If you create a new timeline, well, this still happened.
01:14:04
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That's a short of it. Please read it. My husband has not read it and I need to talk to somebody about it because it's so good. It's so weird, but it's so good. But I love it because it's weird. If you can't tell already, we really like weird things. so I love it. The worst thing you can be is boring. just Exactly. well Don't read into that too much. but That's what I tell my kids when they're like, Oh, this is weird. I'm like, but it's better than boring. They're like, yeah, that's true. Sorry. We have a house full of ADHD children and adults. So it's a challenge. Probably never boring. That's my point is I would rather have this chaos than boring.
01:14:55
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Sometimes boring is good, but like in the scope of things. It makes it interesting and fun. Yeah, it's some flavor, you know? Some flavor. Some flavor in your life. Some spice. A little spice.
01:15:13
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Anyway, we get a flashback to um the last night and how you took them from the motel. You took them to the motel that Nels out right now. um So yeah I think she's staying at the same one after I liked that, that that concurrent explanation of where they went after they left the house and then now coming back to it before she goes to the house. That was really cool. Yeah. And then you going back after he drops the kids off, he's like, I'm going to go get mom. Stay right here. Oh, he said, I'm going to go get mommy. Oh,
01:15:53
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that broke my heart. Um.
01:16:01
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the The kids are all talking in the in the motel room and asking basically just like what is going on? What happened? Did you guys see mom? Like what's going on? um And Luke says that they were having a tea party with Abigail and mommy and now. um But then now says, oh, it wasn't mommy. And so it kind of leaves off on that note. um And then future now is in sleep paralysis again. But this time she sees Luke on the ceiling. no can like No, I hated it. No, I hated that. No. And ah do you think that's like a fear or do you think that's like the future? Obviously, we know the end.
01:16:50
Speaker
I don't know if she was just close enough to the house for it to mess with her. Because the house is a character. I was going to bring this up towards the end. But the house is a character in the show. So you can argue, does it have thoughts and intentions? And machinations? I don't know. But maybe she was close enough to the house that it was like, here you go. You little freak. I don't know. I don't know what that means, but maybe it'll, maybe we'll get some answers and in some later episodes, but that was really sad. Yeah. I mean, that was mean. If the house did that, that was really mean. Look at your dead brother on the wall. Look at you did this. Yeah. You got him heroin.
01:17:38
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Yeah, which is one of the reasons why this series isn't more on isn't higher on my list of favorites just because of the Nope, can't go into it now. Okay, let's move on Stay tuned we'll get there in the recap episode is the how or the last It's the question of is the house a good thing or is it a bad thing? Is it good or is it evil? Is it uh, you know And I have discussions for you and I've thought about that, especially from this episode. So but from this episode and then. Yeah, I can't remember enough if the later episodes have anything, but I had the last one. Yeah. Yep. I don't know if it's seven or eight with screening movies, but that's the one where you get some more answers.
01:18:27
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But then the very last, the very last episode the last scenes, I just, that's where I was like, Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah, if you say so.
01:18:40
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um anyway we Do another flashback. Hugh is coming back to the the motel room and it looks like he's soaked in blood, but it's later revealed that it's paint. Because he he says, oh, don't worry about it. It's just paint. I don't know if we believe him or I don't know if he was just saying it's pain to make sure it looked like blood. Yeah, I think he was just saying it for now, so she didn't freak out. Maybe.
01:19:09
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Um, and then the cops come and one of them stays with the kids while Hugh goes with them so he can answer their questions and basically tell him, probably tell him what happened. Um, and we flashback to future. Now, I honestly don't know why she didn't go to the house sooner. It feels like she hangs around the motel for a good chunk of time. i' she How she said something like, Oh, you slept the day away. Oh yeah. can Still go at night. Yeah. Well, she, she got there late the first night and then just went to bed. So I understand that. And she slept until like two, I think. Um, and then after that she gets scared.
01:19:57
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She will get to that like right now. um She goes to the vending machine. We are there. And then she's walking out. The lights are flickering and everything. And then at one point, she turns around and boom, we get a jump scare. And it's been a bennight lady and she falls straight from the ceiling. um I counted that as the last jump scare. What was the first? I don't think you mentioned. the very first scene. Oh, no, you did. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. So I just counted those two for the episode. and I didn't see anything else. okay But then after that, she did. It's like it's 2 p.m. in the afternoon. Why can't you go? Why can't you go now?
01:20:47
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Like what? She's just hanging out at the hotel room. And then think she's just procrastinating. Well, she sits. She sits on the bed and then she zones out until 1 a.m. I don't understand that. Because if you I don't know if you remember, she legit, it's she's in the same spot. She doesn't move at all until I have an idea. OK, maybe the house. Wanted her to go at night.
01:21:19
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Uh, okay. So I get, I get like the house seems to have more power at night. It seems potent at night, like more potent at night. That's why the Dudley's never stay there past. Um, when the sun goes down, um, the dogs, the dogs at night, that creepy floaty old bowler hat, man. With the, yeah, everything seems to come alive. Yeah. Yeah. So I understand that the house.
01:21:53
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would want her to be there at night so we could have it's like be at its full power. if we're We're calling it the house for right now. So House on a Hill. Trapper. So we could trap her. I'm so excited for those, by the way. I want to see what he has to say. Oh, wait. I don't have them. and yeah I'm going to I'm going to have to catch him up and see what happens.
Story Critique and Character Analysis
01:22:18
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okay okay and i have to catch them up because yeah i need those i need those chory's comments i was yeah i was looking forward to to the chory's comments i know they get so good but if i don't know how the house meter zoned out
01:22:40
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for almost 12 hours. that It might just be a situation where you just have to suspend your disbelief and go with it because it is that's what happened. Oh, I guess you could count this as one of my issues with this can be okay counted. I think I think it's a week week piece of writing. um I think it was intentional because they could have just had her go at night. They didn't have to have the scene where she zoned out they could have had her go the night before, you know what I mean? Like she could have just gone straight there. They didn't, I think they're, I don't know. It's a piece of the story that I don't particularly agree with. Put it down. So if Mr. Mike Flanagan himself ever wants to talk to us, we can ask him. Mike Flanagan, if you're listening, we love your work. We don't hate your work, I promise. No.
01:23:42
Speaker
But we have some questions. We have questions. Probably you more than me for this season, for for the show at least. Should you feel like it? We're not going to talk about Ilanka, I promise. um Don't make promises you're not going to keep. I will keep it because I'm not going to run him off the show. hey I hate Ilanka! Alonca was there to move the show forward. Yeah, she was. It needed her. Yeah. Even if you don't like her.
01:24:21
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I know, I know. You'll be okay. Anyway, we'll move on because we don't have to talk about Alonca anyway.
01:24:35
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We don't have to, but here we are, Noah. You're right. I'm just going to not do it anymore. He was covered in blood. No, we got we got passed that part. We. um I was getting mad that she was zoning off until 1am and just sitting on the bed doing nothing. all right But she drives to the house.
01:25:06
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to ge
01:25:09
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What's it called when you like pull up your pants to like you get yourself ready? You pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Is that what that's? Well, that would be your bootstraps, not your pants. She's gearing up to go. She's gearing up. You know what? I need to stop putting this off. It's a carcass. There we go. It's a carcass in the woods. It's not going to hurt me. It's fine. Just do it. It doesn't matter that it's at night. It does. matter Oh boy. She's convincing herself it doesn't. Oh, boy she drives out there. Does it? And she calls, um, her dad and he's the only one who picks up. We we saw, I didn't mention it, but we previously saw that she called both siblings. We knew that already. Her dad was the only one who picks up and not only is the only one who picks up, he is like, yeah, I'm coming right now. I'm going to fly her out right now.
01:26:07
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Um, and I love that. I absolutely love that about him. Um, he's not saying, Oh, like maybe it's nothing like he's like, no, I'm coming. Like, even if you're fine, I'm coming right now. I'm flying to Orlando or flying out from Orlando. Um,
01:26:26
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And she's like, oh, yeah, I'm fine. um I'm at home. And we've seen all this before. And we see the porch light flash twice and now walks into the house. But it doesn't look all decrepit and falling apart. It looks beautiful. It is gorgeous inside this house. She sees young Luke, Steve, Shirley, and Hugh. And everyone says that they have been looking for her and that they've been waiting for her.
01:27:02
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um
01:27:06
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From this point on, I'm referring to you every character besides now with quotations because it's not the actual characters, it's the house. A manifestation of them and it's the house, yeah. But from now on, every character has quotations around their name. In my notes, it does. That's how I refer to them. So Liv writes, welcome home on the come home now part, which is very creepy. Just the entire way that live is being played is really creepy. The looks the smiles it's all off.
01:27:43
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um And it's very clear that it or the house is telling her what she wants to hear that they have always believed her. I saying we always we do. We're here for you all those redemption moments. The house gives her everything she ever wanted. You were right. Yes. We love you. And then she gives and then it gives her Luke dressed up as he would have been if he was able to go to her wedding and he was well. He's like because did you notice that he had the he had the flower he had the wedding suit like he gave her Luke at her wedding.
01:28:25
Speaker
And he's like, because of you, I'm clean and sober now. You fixed me. you You're the hero. You fixed me. Yeah. We all owe everything to you. there like ah Theo's like, sorry, I was wrong. You were right. Sorry, my thought. All of it. And I think yeah Steve was like, oh, I believed you. I always believed you. And I don't know if I like that or I hate it.
01:28:53
Speaker
I mean, I like that. she tra that moment But it's so manipulative and getting her guard down. But yeah, go ahead. Yeah. And I love it because of that. I love it because like it's a fun piece of storytelling. She gets to have that moment that she always wanted. But it's
01:29:14
Speaker
Malicious? malignant Is it? Malicious is the right one? I don't know if I'm making up words. I don't know what you're thinking. No, I'm malicious. I can't decide if it is malicious. It is because it's trying to lull her. Yeah. Into a false sense of security. Security. Oh. Security. Security.
01:29:42
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security
01:29:47
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I'm professional. i I speak very good. I speak goodly.
01:30:04
Speaker
yeah know You know how you can't really talk well all the time? Yeah, you should you should do a podcast. That sounds like a good idea.
01:30:22
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Anyway. And then after she sees me because Luke. The the way he shot, he's kind of standing out by himself. Yeah. um It's like, oh, look, I'm here. i And she's facing the door. I just I'm realizing she's facing the door. She came down the grand staircase through them. They're all praising her. She sees Luke. He's healthy, happy yet dressed like he's at her wedding and behind them is the door. Interesting. I don't know what that means, but. And then Luke moves out of the way and is like, look who's here and it's her husband. Oh, did you cry? I cried. I cried. Especially since they were dancing when I
01:31:15
Speaker
I'm getting goosebumps right now. I'm trying not to think about it because then I will cry. But it was very sad and especially when it switches um points of view and it switches to reality. You see that she's like crazily dancing through this dead house, basically. Mm-hmm. So spooky. Yeah. And then it goes back to her point of view and now sees Abigail, Luke and Liv and says they're all having a tea party. And they make their way up that secular staircase. And. Liv gives her the
01:32:08
Speaker
dependent. What was it? It was a but lock it called the lock it Thank you. Yeah. At the very, very top of the staircase. She finally gives her gives her the lock it gives her the lock it has is a really creepy smile lock it nope oh um turns out to be the news. And
01:32:37
Speaker
Liv is, Liv is saying, Oh, it's okay. I just need you to wake up. She's saying it's okay. Yeah. I, knowing what we know about the house. Right. Okay. Thus far or in its entirety.
01:33:04
Speaker
This is a very important part to me. But we can't like fully discuss it without the final episode, you know. OK. And I don't want to lose this thread. I don't want to. Because I am very forgetful. I will forget about it if we if I don't come back and hear this.
01:33:27
Speaker
um I'm trying to find a way to ask this. Is Liv a ghost? Is she a vision?
01:33:43
Speaker
Let's take it back to the hotel room when they're children and they're asking what happened. And they say it was a tea party with this person, this person and mommy. And was it Nell that said that wasn't mommy? So what does that mean?
01:34:06
Speaker
That's what makes it, uh, questionable because the other ghosts in the house are themselves. So I, so have I have theories and I, I have what I want to say, but I, we can't say them yet, you know, because we haven't gotten to that point in the story. I know. ok so Okay. So we don't know if this entity is their mother or if it's the house or if it's some other sort of malicious thing taking her presence, taking her form.
01:34:50
Speaker
the The questions that she asks Or not the questions, the ah dialogue that she has right before she kisses Nell's forehead. ah shes she is It feels like Liv, but obviously something else is going on because she says, right I need you to wake up. Right. And it's this, that moment was so chilling because she's in both realities. She sees that she's got a noose around her neck. She sees that she's on the edge of that, of the um there the a balcony there inside the house. She's not on the, she knows, and she's holding on to the railing, but she's still seeing her mother
01:35:38
Speaker
And the part where she's like, mommy just like hurt so much. Yeah. Oh, I see. I see. I see now what your main concern is. I get it. Because. Oh, there's so much to talk about. There's so much I know we need to know. Whenever we go to the last episode, we need to come back and listen to this part of, so I can remember what I wanted to say. I think i think it'll come back up though. I think you'll be fine because this was my main issue with the show. Everything is brilliant. And then that last scene at the end of the series yeah had me like so frustrated, like really?
01:36:32
Speaker
Really? It felt lazy. It felt like... wow I don't know. there's other There's other horror movies that do that kind of thing. And it doesn't make sense and it's just, it's so mediocre. And so I was disappointed in that because it made it feel mediocre at the very end. So I don't know who it was that decided it needed to end like that. But all these other things that the show makes you think about the house contradict that. Which is why this is only my second, that's that's why it's at the moment.
01:37:10
Speaker
towards the bottom of the list compared to not that it's a bad show but if I'm putting all the other shows in order right this is kind of at yeah the bottom yeah because also the other ones are so much better and so and the the the haunting of blind manner doesn't have that continuity issue doesn't have that contradiction okay everything in that show whether even like that show it I don't know if I want to go too much into it right now hi buddy Sorry, my cat popped out. He wants to go outside. So he's like, hello. But Blind Manor isn't as deep as this as Haunting of Hill House. There's so much depth to it. So much. I don't know.
01:37:59
Speaker
no there there is a lot but but it's that continuity it's that issue it's that it's that contradiction of the main point of the show that had me frustrated maybe i'll change my mind as i watch again because it's been a long time Now, I don't you. um Yeah. On this because they're treating the house as a character. we We have to treat the house as a character on its own. Is it good? Is it? Now, is it both? Lifting the house? It killed their sister. It killed their mother. Yeah. The groundskeepers don't like the house.
01:38:34
Speaker
But then at the end, it's dangerous but yeah exactly again, because it's always not mid maybe exact house maybe, maybe it's not right now. It's a good, and now it's a safekeeper. Now it's a place of refuge. I spoiler, but we won't go into the details of why, but that's where it kind of had me like, really okay lazy, lazy, lazy and mainstream. Yeah. It's like, okay, this is so left field. That one Tom Cruise movie where he's doing the Groundhog Day thing, right? Oh, Edger tomorrow? Do you remember? Yeah. Yeah. Amazing movie. Till they let him live at the end.
01:39:22
Speaker
If they had left him dead, I would have been like, that is so cool. Nope, they brought him back. Because they have tough sequels, you know, money. Anyway, no, but I am totally with you now. I get it. I get it. i I'm finally on board now that I'm seeing all of this now. Yeah. Yeah. and Amazing show. I'm not saying it's a bad show. I'm just saying it's. Okay. Last part. i guess yeah I guess you finally get to the last part. Live kisses. Best reveal of the whole series. Best reveal. She falls off. Kisses her forehead, knocks her off with a kiss. A kiss.
01:40:05
Speaker
And ah boom, she's the bent neck. Boom. She goes to the most. read I like how it went to the most recent scare of her in the hallway, then to the next one and the next one all the way down to the no, no, no is above the settee. And then the very first one where she's like screaming and like, and wasting away. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. The biggest twist and reveal in the whole show. So really good. So I didn't see that coming at all. I didn't either when when I watched this the first time. Yeah, it was a great reveal. So cool. It's so tragic, too. Yeah, it's so cool that someone died.
01:40:53
Speaker
She hung herself. I mean, we can't really say she hung herself. the you
01:41:00
Speaker
Physically. Yeah. Psychologically. No. yeah just the Oh, she was getting everything she wanted, but it killed her. She was getting the locket from her mother. She's having those sweet moments with her, but it was. It killed her. Yeah. Subtheme of maybe getting what we want is not the best for us. Yeah, I guess. But is that what she wanted or what she needed?
01:41:34
Speaker
I don't know. But if she didn't die. think about ah Another thing why I love this is because it brings up so much to talk about. Well the thought experiment you can go down is if she didn't go to the house and she didn't die then she wouldn't have haunted herself for all of those years and then she wouldn't have ever had a reason to go back to the house. Exactly. Exactly. She did it because she did. It happened because she did and it, I guess it's circular for sure. Why I say paradoxical, it's not paradoxical, it's circular. Sometimes just say things and I can't stop myself from saying it, you know. Paradoxical makes me sound smart. I'm
Themes of Family Responsibility and Support
01:42:25
Speaker
a college student. The most smartest. Okay, Po.
01:42:31
Speaker
um i am giving no a rating of i honestly can't remember any of the other ratings that i've given for the characters which is a bad note for me um so i can't compare her right now to my previous ratings that's okay she can stay on her own yeah i'm giving her 7.8 um because she 7.8 Again, I can't remember what I gave you other characters. So I don't it's like don't worry about it lower enough for her um Because I feel for her so much um And she's tragic And again, maybe she shouldn't have yelled at Steve in that fashion Yes, she should have stood up for herself. but Maybe there was a better way of doing it. I tell her did the psychiatrist tell her to confront them. Because that was bad advice. It wasn't direct. It's not something we saw. But I think she mentioned, she's like, Oh, you told me to stand up for myself.
01:43:36
Speaker
Oh, he just didn't tell her how would have been a healthy way to do that. Yeah. So let's just blame it all on him. It's his fault. Exactly. It's all his fault. Oh, don't. And I know she has trauma and I know she has a lot going on and she's had a lot happen to her. um
01:43:57
Speaker
And again, I don't fully blame her for the way that she acted towards Theo and Steve, and it really was a call for help. but sometimes you have to take accountability for your actions, you know? ah yeah am i sense am youre Am I being too cruel here? No, I just think she had too much trauma in her childhood and not enough support. But then who would have supported her because everybody was going through something terrible. I think you would have been. Ow, maybe, maybe.
01:44:35
Speaker
You got you good? Yeah, I'm okay. I got scars on my arm from the last time he got me. My cat is mean people. like guys been
01:44:51
Speaker
But I, ah she's, again, she's probably one of my favorites out of all of them, her and Luke. Yeah. Um, baby Nell is a doll. She's so cute. She's the actress. She does. She does such a good job at, you know, in all the scenes where she has to be scared. Like, I don't know.
01:45:17
Speaker
I don't know. She did a good job. Yeah. What do you think about Nell though? I was going to give her like a seven or eight. So let's say 7.5. Okay. Yeah. I think she just was very misguided. like She just didn't have the support system. And if she hadn't lost her husband, then things could have been better for her. So a lot of things out of her control and the things that were in her control, she didn't have the coping skills to handle them very well. If she was given another 10, 20 years to live, she would have reached a point of maturity and understanding and like some peace, but she didn't get to she didn't get that.
01:45:59
Speaker
There's a lot of maturing we do in our twenties and even into our thirties before we finally settle into ourselves.
01:46:10
Speaker
So if you feel like you're in your twenties and you don't have things figured out, you're not supposed to. So could you expect her to handle things? So could could we expect her to handle things correctly? Of course not. So I don't know.
01:46:32
Speaker
I think she expected things from from like she she had expectations from other people that she shouldn't have, right? You know what I mean? Like I wish she had called her father more. I think he was the the one that she should have leaned on the most and said she reached out to everybody else first before him. And
01:47:00
Speaker
i think it was steve who said it
01:47:04
Speaker
His, his points have some validity to it too, because they can't be her babysitter. They can't. Right. Like they're all adults. Steve has, he has to his, his own life. He's got, you know, a spouse. I don't know if that scene was before or after he was separated, but like that's his priority. Yeah. And I can't, I don't think he has kids, but if he had kids, they would be his priority. Not his, that was point not his grownup sister. Right. That was the point of um Their fight and why they Separated for a little bit is because of kids Um, you're right and we get yeah, we get a later episode. Yeah. Um, yeah So, ah yeah, there is some validity that they're all adults they can't be there for her all the time and if she's constantly like
01:47:59
Speaker
Could they have done more? Yes. yeah Were they morally obligated to do more? No. yeah That's my point. Thank you. Thank you for putting that better than I did.
01:48:12
Speaker
Again, I'm not good with words. I'm putting everything that's up here in my head. Out of my mouth. I'm not good with that. That's why I like writing. Well, just as like, just as a ah life lesson that this kind of brings up is once you're an adult, your poop from your, your, your, your mess from your childhood is now yours to fix. Even though it was done to you, it wasn't your fault that you went through things as a child, but now you're growing up, it's your responsibility to fix it. Right? And your priorities as you grow up are are very different. So my siblings are not my priority above my husband and my children and myself, right? If I'm in a position where I can help and it doesn't hurt those that are in a higher priority than them, then yes, I should.
01:49:06
Speaker
Right. But if I can't, I'm under no moral obligation to put my household under strain for somebody that's outside of my priority list, for lack of a better term. No, exactly. Right. Thank you. Thank you for putting that better than I and i could. Anytime. but you know That's why i was I'm frustrated that she didn't reach out to her father more because he was the one that would have been there as soon as possible to help her. So I don't know.
01:49:39
Speaker
I don't know why she didn't. I don't have kids yet. um But when when you do, it switches to them first, right? 100% all the time. It's gonna be your kids first. You have to take care of them first before before whatever. huh And part of that is maintaining a healthy relationship with their with their father or mother, right? So my relationship with my husband is part of that priority in keeping my kids first. Does that make sense? Like I can't create conflict with my spouse because then that, you know, causes problems with the kids. Anyway, that's like a whole deep dive that would take like a whole other two hours. about Yeah, I was just thinking about Hugh. Like if Liv was still there, would Liv be his priority or were the kids? Like even if they're adults, like I feel like those,
01:50:37
Speaker
the kids again would always almost always take. Again, your spouse comes first in that it's best for the children. And then when you're adults, the children are all grown up and out of the house, um your spouse is still, is is is again first in that regard because that's the one you've made commitments to, made promises to. So if his wife was still there and taking care of the adult kids would have put a strain on the marriage, then no, you have to put the marriage first. That's just my unprofessional assessment. So you're telling me if a train is coming and you have to send it down one track or or the other and your husband, oh, I'm kidding. and we will go Oh, I would save my child over my husband. I don't care how old the child is.
01:51:23
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um
01:51:27
Speaker
If we are in a boat and I have to save my spouse or my child, I am saving my child. I had this conversation with Corey where, cause he had some health issues and I was like, listen, you have to take care of yourself because like, if you need like a liver or a kidney or something, you can't get it from me. If we're, even if we're a match, you can't get it from me because it can't put us both at risk because then our children will have neither of us if something goes wrong. not going to do it. And he was like, yeah, exactly. Same. but I was like, I'm glad we're on the same page. I was like, you will not give me a kidney. I will not give you part of my liver. The end.
01:52:10
Speaker
And people may disagree. And I don't care. You didn't say what you want. Everybody's different. Everyone's relationship is different. Right. like i was
01:52:21
Speaker
I know we're getting a little bit away from the show, but it's still that's okay it's our show part of it. um People can skip. There are exactly. There are some people who I've talked to have said like when they had kids. like they and I know it's a different kind of love, but they love their kids more than they do their spouse. like that's That's just something that some people have told me. That's why. um And some people don't agree with it. Some people are like, no, we love them the same, but it's different love. and but What are your thoughts?
01:52:56
Speaker
Uh, my, my thoughts are is that I keep a good relationship with my husband. First of all, because I love him and he's my best friend and it's not a hard thing to do, but I maintain that good relationship also because it creates a stability and a safe environment for the children to grow up in. Right. And you have to put your ego aside in your marriage. So, and your kids also have to see that you put your spouse first. So like, let's say there's a situation, if my husband's coming in the door and my kids wants my attention, my kid doesn't get my attention until I go and say hi to my spouse. Okay. And then there's security for the child in that, that mom and dad are solid, they're our solid foundation, they're good, right? and And kids are very much, you know,
01:53:50
Speaker
ah self oriented, right? They don't they don't understand there's outside of themselves yet up to a certain age. So they have to learn that but like, seeing that mom and dad
01:54:07
Speaker
this, this, this relationship before the attention, unless it's, you know, I'm not, I mean, there's contingencies, of course, you know, I'm not going to leave my bleeding child. Nope. Got to go say hi to dad. I'm not saying that. Don't read into it because I know how the internet works. Calm down. But you're not showing me your new toy while I'm saying, you know, while I'm giving time to my husband. Does that make sense? Yeah. Right. I do this first because he's my priority for the sake. of the healthy growing up of my children. Okay. Yeah. I like that. I like that a lot. Yeah. But would I, would I shove my husband in front of a train to save my child? A hundred percent. Absolutely. And if it was, it was if it was me that had to be shoved in front of the train to save the kid. Yes. Do it. Absolutely. Do it. Push me in front of the train. If that means my child will live a hundred percent. Yep. Okay.
01:55:03
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but is fight me
01:55:07
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There's also like, again, you can skip this if you want, or we might edit it out. Who knows? 30 seconds, 30 seconds. thirty seconds so I do that for ads on the podcast that I listen to. It's like 30 seconds there. Back 15, 30 seconds, back 15. There was a, there was like a video I saw and it was like interviewing these, these people. Like, would you kill for your kid? And a lot, like a lot of these, these moms are like, uh, I don't know. Maybe if it was legal, like, oh, I'm like, no, a hundred percent in a heartbeat, no hesitation. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. You're dying. Yeah. Yep. Sorry. my kids car for you're dead I don't know what situation they're imagining when they say no.
01:55:56
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Because it's not just like a willy nilly. Oh, I have to kill you because my child, no, like if, if my, if my, if my life is in danger, my child's life is in danger. It's over for you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good night. No hesitation. I'm not going to think about it. and No regrets. No. No. I'm not a confrontational type of person, but when it comes to protecting somebody else, i i've I've had situations where I've had to, you know, go and defend a child. And all of a sudden I find that I'm able to get up in someone's face and say, don't do that. What are you doing?
01:56:38
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ah My parents have ah a laundromat in a rough part of town in somewhere in California. I won't get too specific. um And there have been some seedy characters in there and and some parents are not the best. And sorry, if you hit your child where I can see it, I'm gonna talk to you about it, right? And I have, I've had to do that. And it's afterwards I'm like, what did I just do? Oh my gosh. I thought you were gonna talk about like someone like going up to your mom and you stepping in for your mom. I was like, I don't think you would have needed to step in for your mom. I think she would be fine. No, she's fine. Yeah. No, no, it was on a shift to where I was by myself. And I saw on the camera, this woman take a full arm, 180 degree swing, like up and around and hit her child over the head. And I jumped up so fast and I just got him to her face and I said real quietly, don't you ever do that again?
01:57:33
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and she like backed off and then she had like an attitude as soon as there was some distance between us and I had to call security because then she was like giving me mean looks and i'm like i'm not about to get in a fight in the laundromat in front of her child i'm not gonna do that so i was like i mean just security and have them oh i'm not saying i can fight i'm just saying i'm not creating this chaotic situation but like i don't know maybe i haven't gotten into fights because i look mean on accident but You look like you could win a fight. that mean that's That's what I that's what I've been told. I look like I would take care of business. I've never had. I've never had the occasion where it's come to that. But anyway, like you you look like obviously you have a family now and everything, but I'm not saying this is what you were. I'm saying you look like the type of girl in high school who would pick fights. You would like getting the fights with someone just because they looked at looked at that. I'm just.
01:58:32
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If I were a complete stranger looking at you. ah That's funny because I was the most weak, quiet, like girl yeah ever in school.
01:58:48
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I wasn't walking around. That's just what I thought. But you know, if that keeps me out of trouble, I'll take it. If that's why people don't mess with me, then that's fine.
01:58:59
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People tend not to mess with people that look like you can't mess with, you know? Yeah. Well, I got a good a piece of advice from, I think it was my dad because I was traveling across the country once. And then a couple of years later, I traveled internationally and he said, just don't look confused and people won't target you. I was like, Oh, okay. So even if I was lost because I get lost easy, I, I pretended like I knew exactly where I was going. So. And I kept aware of like, who's around me. So you look aware, you look like you know what you're doing. You're not going to be a target. Not all that. Well, I can't say that for certainty, but anyway, you, you're nodding along. So, you know, yeah, we, and you're in the military. So I'm sure that's part of the attitude that comes with that. Yeah. There's definitely.
01:59:57
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I don't have nearly as many.
02:00:04
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Experiences as everyone else in the military, like I haven't had any combat um experiences. I don't have PTSD. um You know, but there there is. That.
02:00:20
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general feeling or general practice that it feels like everyone in the military has where um make sure you are very aware of your surroundings and you are cognizant of- You look of things that are out of place. Yeah, you can- Yeah. like act relaxed, you can enjoy yourself, but you need to be aware. You need to be on your game at all times, unless you're in a safe place. And that's how I've always sort of been in the military, just kind of made that expound of that, I guess.
02:00:59
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That's good.
Closing Remarks and Sign-Off
02:01:00
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Cool. Well, I don't know how that relates to our show, but hope you enjoyed it. Uh, keep, keep all comments polite. Yep. Uh, check yourself before you rant and see what's going on in your life, uh, before you're mean to others. Cause maybe you're projecting your anger onto something. I'm just preparing for the, ah
02:01:28
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All right. I think that's it for this week. You want to, you want to close us out? Yep. We will see you guys next week when we discuss the next episode two storms. And until then, remember to drink water and hydrate. Um, and something that I stopped slouching stops outching. Put your shoulders back. Your body needs electrolytes. Get it some the electrolytes and I'm not talking about some stinky gay raid, like actual real electrolytes, not something that has like 30 grams of sugar in it and one bottle. Go get yourself some like pink Himalayan salt, some sea salt, something like that. And sply that water there you go. Perfect. Sit up straight and stay hydrated from Noah. Yep. That's that's for me. Bye guys. Bye.
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