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Episode 8: The Romance of Certain Old Clothes
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Welcome to our review of episode 8, the penultimate episode of the season! The time has just flown by! For us... Not so much for Viola who is perpetually waiting for her daughter. *insert super sad face here*
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Introduction to Fans of Flanagan Podcast
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I have a story for you. Is it scary? It's haunting. Like a haunted house? Or like a manor.
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and Welcome back to Fans of Flanagan. I'm Laura. And I'm Noah.
Episode Eight Overview: The Romance of Certain Old Clothes
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And today we are getting into episode eight, the romance of certain old clothes.
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um That title is fitting after you watch the episode.
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I loved this episode. It's scary and it's sad And it's a whole saga in one episode.
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We finally get some answers. We get a lot of answers. Yeah.
Film Critiques: Final Fantasy and Heart Eyes
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Firstly, though, what have you been watching?
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honestly really nothing new. Um, the only thing I guess I'll mention and I had started watching the final fantasy movies like years ago. And I just, I watched the second one and never moved past it.
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Um, and so I was just bored the other day and they're on max. And so I was like, Oh, let's watch the third one. And the third one being the roller coaster one, if anyone remembers.
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And, um, it's just dumb fun.
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I watched the fourth one as well. And it's not as good. I think like one, two and three are all pretty enjoyable. um But yeah just dumb fun.
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Just having a good time. I like dumb fun. It's a nice break. Yeah. yeah Sometimes. Yeah. um You had mentioned before that you were going to go see heart eyes in the theater. Did you end up going? Yeah.
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I did. I forgot it. Did you enjoy saw that. ah No. No?
Review: New Captain America Movie
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i just listened to somebody give it like a really good review.
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Like I understand why people would enjoy it. I just it was very basic to me. um It didn't have if like that kind of movie you go for the kills kind of thing.
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Like it's a slasher movie. So you want. Mm hmm. some something interesting and I you don't really get that except for maybe one at the very beginning but it's still like nothing crazy um I found the writing sort of unbearable but think maybe it's supposed to be like that it's like super cheesy um super like it's a romance slasher horror film if that makes sense right so if they're not taking it too seriously
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then that can be kind of fun it can i just wasn't on the on the ride wasn't for you that's fair it's in for me did you see any other movies on your pass
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i saw the new captain america movie yeah um you could probably say the same thing about that movie about it nothing but like not being anything special But I had fun with it.
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It's so weird what I find fun and not ah based off of the, like the same things I'll
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like give cons for one movie and I'll give it pros for the other. It's weird, but I, I enjoyed it. Like it's not pre end game Marvel at all, but.
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Right.
Avoiding Spoilers and Lord of the Rings Journey
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it was fun. and There's some really good moments with and Anthony Mackie and, uh, I can't remember the, the actor or the character's name, but it's the, it's a gentleman who was part of like the super soldier program.
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And, um, he was a black, a black man. He ended up getting experimented on by like the American government. And and there's some really good moments with that character. um Again, nothing crazy, but it's just fun.
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Yeah, I like the cast. It's got Giancarlo Esposito. Yeah. Who is like one of my favorite actors. He was the ah the the big drug boss in Breaking Bad.
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He played a terrifying character. And Harrison Ford. How did Harrison Ford do? He's good. and like he just gets a good he's good he's all right it's he's Harrison Ford like I know and you're just like yeah he's good yeah met expectations
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and this shouldn't be a spoiler but he's the red hulk in that movie right Yes. It's not a spoiler because they show it in the trailer. like like It was in like the teaser and the trailer. was like wow I was like, wow. Once you watch the movie, you're like, why did they put that in the trailer? That's ridiculous.
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Anyway. yeah that's a For movies that I really, really want to see, I don't watch trailers.
Critique of Apple Cider Vinegar Show
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I don't watch teasers. I just, hey I don't, because I don't want things to be ruined because they love to put spoilers in trailers now. so
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It's out of control. It's out of control. How's the Lord of the Rings going? You've been reading those? I have. I just got to the part where I can't remember what the mountain path was, but they left Rivendell. The company left Rivendell and they were on the mountain and they're like, oh, we can't really go further.
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um Where should we go? And f Fred was like, well, let's go to Moria. And in the books, they get attacked by like a pack of, I think, wargs or something like that.
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They don't show that in the movie. and They're on the mountaintop still.
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But yeah, I just got past that part. Just read it this morning. So you're going to read the trilogy and then are you going full in and read the Simmerillion after that?
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You know what? I think I am. um i don't know if I want to take a break and read something like red rising the rest are Red rising as sort of like a hey, before you get into this textbook. Yeah.
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Because i I want to read that. I want to read Baron and Luthien, especially after reading the the little bit that it had in Lord the Rings. um I want to read the Fall of Numenor, and I think Gondolin was one of them.
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All of the stuff that he's got, so... Nice. Yeah.
Scamanda Podcast and Amanda's Hoax
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What about you? Awesome. So I figured out what I talked about watching apple cider vinegar and how something about it bugged me.
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And I just couldn't put my finger on it. I was like why does this bother me? So i was watching another little bit of an episode. And it's because in the show, and I know it's dramatized, right? So not everything is going to be completely accurate.
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Yeah. So I don't know what's true and what's not specifically other than she lied about having cancer and she created a whole company on that premise. But she also has like a son and she has like a, like a boyfriend and she just treats the boyfriend with like, she just doesn't treat him very well. Yeah.
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And it's not her son's father. and But he's the one that's taking care of her son most of the time. So I think it's that dynamic that's bothering me so much that she's not as invested in her son very much. She seems very um selfish and self-serving.
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And she's taking advantage of this boyfriend. And she's just not being very attentive to her son. That I'm like, that just, it was really bugging me. So i I don't know if I'm going to finish watching that one. I think I'll just listen to some of the news accounts of what she did because it's a fascinating story.
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And if you watch, they did a 60-minute interview with her and she was just absolutely ridiculous. I don't know if you've seen any clips, but the interviewer says, how old are you? And instead of saying I'm 26, she like says, i was raised...
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And have always been raised to be 26 some ridiculous answer. And I'm like, oh my gosh, there's something wrong with her. Like, I don't know if she thinks she's doing something there, but it's just making her look dumb.
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But on those lines, I've been watching and I listened to the podcast um about a woman named Amanda, who also faked having cancer. um And that's on Hulu. And it's called Scamanda, like scam, Amanda Scamanda. And the the podcast is of the same name.
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fascinating and they're doing a really good
Laura's Background Acting Experience
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job with the documentary on hulu um there's four of the episodes out now i don't know how many total there are going to be i think it's maybe just a four-part thing but i've been watching that and it's crazy and what i didn't remember from the podcast is she starts pretending to have um
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I think she says she has like brain cancer or something. Same thing as as the chick from the other one. But um starts taking donations. And then as they go into like her life, her stepdaughter or like her husband's daughter from one of his first marriages, i think he's been married either two or three times, um had leukemia.
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wow And she was like a friend of somebody in that group. I don't know if she was a friend of a wife or but she had been like around when this little girl had been going through leukemia.
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And I'm like, that just adds a whole other layer of disgusting. Yeah, to that. And then all of these, a lot of the people that supported her and had the Team Amanda bracelets and like were rallying for her on social media were people whose loved ones had gone through cancer or had died from cancer.
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Because they they were like, we know what it's like to go through this and we didn't want her to be alone. And then they find out that she lied about everything.
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Just disgusting.
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I can't imagine. Yeah. I don't understand people like that.
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So that's what I've been focused on this week.
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Oh, um one of the movies I was a background actor in, this is funny, I'm going to send you. i It's on... It was on Prime, but you had to rent it. It's called Merry Christmas.
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And it's a sequel to Mistletoe Mix-Up. Just little cute, campy, Hallmark-style, like off-Hallmark-style Christmas movies. Right? um And so it's the sequel to Mistletoe Mix-Up.
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But they called it Merry Christmas. Like M-A-R-R-Y. Like getting married because it's about two brothers who both want to get married on Christmas. I didn't watch the whole thing.
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respectfully there was i I did skip forward and there was like a bar
Film Comparisons: The Night and Wolf Like Me
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fight scene and that one was that scene was really funny so maybe the rest of the movie is pretty good but there's a guy that's a Santa in the movie yeah and in the bar fight like everybody starts just brawling and he's drinking and he's pointing to everybody's like you're naughty you're naughty naughty naughty list forever i was like that's actually really funny but i was only in the scenes for the wedding day and it was a full day shoot uh my part was like a half day shoot but um
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during the ceremony they were getting shots of the the ah the congregation right and they were like these people are your best friends you're here on christmas to see them get married so you're tearing up you're smiling you're happy it's it's gushy it's this and so i'm doing a little bit of like wiping my tears well i ended up in one of the shots wiping my tears It's not, I mean, it's not a flex. I'm not flexing. It's, but because I watched it on, it came out on Tubi and Plex or whatever those ah free streaming services are.
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and I have the app and it let me screen or record. So I'm going to send you the five seconds of me wiping my tears.
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It's so done. So excited. Thank you. yeah Feel honored.
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Remember all of us down here, please. stop. I'm such a big deal.
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Oh my gosh. And then there was a scene during the reception when everybody's dancing and I was like worried that I was going to be in full frame because I was right behind Santa when they were filming him dancing.
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And I am, but I'm just like, just blurry enough in the background that it's okay. He didn't see any awful dance moves. So that was a relief. So that's it for me. Have you, there's a movie on Hulu.
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um You might be able to access it through Disney Plus since they have that whole thing going on. um It came out last year. It's starring Amy Adams. It's called The Night.
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Night. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't watched it yet. Have you
Severance and Silo Book vs. Series
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watched it? No. I'm like sort of intrigued because people are like, Yes, but no.
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But yes. don't sound like, huh? so I know nothing of this movie. it's the The overview is an artist who pauses her career to be a staying-at-home mom. see Mom, I just love that.
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Seeks a new chapter in her life and encounters just that when her nightly routine takes a surreal turn and her maternal instincts begin to manifest in canine form.
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And like, I was just intrigued by the
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sort of poster for it. It's Amy Adams looking all grungy with dogs around her. I was like, yeah, huh? I'm very interested.
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And I was just curious if you watched it because I want to know what you thought. No. Maybe I will. Maybe we can talk about it. But it's really weird. You remember Isla Fisher? Yeah.
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She looks just like Amy Adams, right? Like sometimes you can kind of mix them up for each other. A couple of years ago, and I don't know if the show is still going, but there's an Apple TV series called Wolf Like Me where she plays a werewolf.
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Huh. But you don't, I don't know if you ever see her. and No, you do. There's like one scene finally, either in the end of the first season or beginning of the second somewhere where you get to see her and her in her wolf form. Cause the other, like all the lead up to it, it's all ambiguous. Like, what does she actually look like? It's just all like the effects and the fallout of having to deal with being a werewolf.
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But here's spoiler, sorry.
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But it's got, um who's the guy that played Olaf Gad?
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Oh. name oh He plays her love interest and he has a daughter, i think. um So she's she's like interested in him.
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But she's also like trying to keep him safe. But she can't tell him. And so he's like, what's going on? you know and then he ends up following her to her house and he ends up finding out.
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Josh Gad, by the way. Josh Gad, thank you. Mr. Gad. So it's interesting that another actress that looks like her, you know Amy Adams, is in something where she's dog-like or whatever that is. Whatever's going on. I don't know what it is. so i I don't know.
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But it's interesting. It's interesting, the similarities. see I wonder why they did that. I might watch it this week just just for funsies and just just to see how it is.
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Because it's also got, I love this name, Scoot McNary. That's an amazing name. Yeah, he's he's in that too. my gosh. I love his name. Why is that like a Nepo baby Connecticut Scoot?
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Come on, darling. Scoot, let's go. Tennis is at four. um yeah he's in that so okay im stay cool also severance has been releasing episodes for their second season one at a time amazing show i'm fascinated by this show i love it so much but i can't even like talk about it you just have to experience it i know and it's such a good thing
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You'll get
The Merits of Reading Before Watching
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there when you get there. there. Yeah. I know. You're going to love it, and then you're going to love Silo. and i'm I'm conflicted because I don't know if I want to read that series first before watching it.
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don't know. No, I would watch it first because if the book is better, then I think you can still like the show and like the book. Yeah. So every time I read a book first, I just critique the show or critique the movie. So I like reading the book after.
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Yeah. Yeah. Because then it's like you get more context and more filler. and
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Is it another show? Or like a movie on Apple? i think it's called like Dark Matter or something. That's on Netflix. On Netflix? Is it? Dark Matter. i'm looking No, Dark is on Netflix.
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Dark Matter. I have to remind myself what this is. Oh, it is on Apple. Okay. Because I have seen yes that it was Yes, I've talked about this one. Yeah, and I remember you talking about It is really good.
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It's stressful, but it's good. it's Yeah. yeah I'm having the same conflictions about that and silos. Should I read it? Should I just watch it? so Because I've heard it's, as a book, it's amazing book.
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so Oh, cool. I think I might look into that. um Also, speaking of movies and books, have you ever read The Princess Bride?
Laura's Acting Clip: A Humorous Moment
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I haven't read it.
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should read it. You'll love it. You will love The Princess Bride. It's hilarious. I'll it to my 100 book long.
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And then Never Ending Story, the book. It's great. I just, I barely remember the movie. And from what I remember, I'm like, I don't feel like I need to revisit that.
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No, you should read it
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I just saw the text that you sent me.
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Let's watch this. Okay.
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I love that. just Just a little quick second.
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You're like right there. You're like center camera too. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't sure if I would make it in anywhere, which I was fine with. You get paid either way. So yeah, that was fun.
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I was like, oh, my little acting. um
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Well, I feel like this episode is going to go pretty quick because it's pretty straightforward. But really fun. Yes, I agree. I didn't mean to interrupt you there.
Episode Eight: Opening Scene Analysis
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I'm sorry. No, I was gonna i was literally about to transition to... We both had the same... Amazing. Same waves. We're on sync. we're first we're in We're on sync. On sync? Wow. On sync.
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i I was mixing what you said with like my brain. My brain does that because it's like, hey, you can say these two phrases and my mouth goes, let's do it at once.
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Yeah. thing
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So this is episode eight. I get to use my favorite word here. It is the penultimate episode, which does not mean does not mean extra ultimate. It means...
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The last, it means the one before the last. Ultimate means the last or the end. And penultimate is the one that comes before the last. So there's your vocab word of the day. This has been your English lesson with Laura.
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English with Laura. Episode eight, the romance of certain old clothes. Love that title. We open where we left off with Danny trying to get Flora out of the house.
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Flora is upset, of
Viola's Tragic Story at Bly Manor
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course, and Danny is trying to calm her down. The white lady comes and grabs Danny and drags her off. Also, what I messaged you about.
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What I... picked that screenshot to put up on instagram from the last episode oh yeah yeah yeah i threw that up there and i put it up last because it's scary you know so you're not going to see it till you scroll through it's not going to like pop up and surprise you i was like i bet noah's going to use this this picture for his stories and then he did and i was like ha i knew it i usually like to pick pictures that i think would be the most intriguing I guess yeah or or something like that just to I don't know maybe draw in people um my Instagram but no I love that well I I try to pick shots that kind of convey the episode
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yeah Which is a lot smarter. so No, I think grabbing people's attention is is the thing that works. um All right.
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Yeah, so the white lady is grabbing Danny, dragging her, and Flora screams. The white lady is so scary. Cut to black. We have our narrator back telling us a story from the middle of the 17th century about a widowed gentleman.
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He's on his deathbed. He's called Mr. Willoughby. The narrator is explaining all the family dynamics. um They have two daughters ah with no one to inherit the fortune.
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We have two sisters, Perdita and Viola. Viola is the one that was more savvy and suspicious of any possible suitors because of their fortune.
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She sees them as scavengers. So the sisters decide that Bly Manor, because these this is the family that is in Bly, that the manor needs to stay in the family so that the sisters can stay in control.
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They invite a distant cousin, Mr. Arthur Lloyd, and it seems that he's already kind of rich in his own right. Perdita develops feelings for Mr. Lloyd, but enter Viola and it looks like Mr. Lloyd is smitten with her.
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So Arthur, Lloyd and Viola get married and Viola, this was cute, Viola promises to love and cherish, but omits the obey part.
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Is it just me or did this like, it still made me feel weird, even though it's like a distant cousin. I'm just like, it's still it's still a little weird. It is. it's It's weird for us, but I don't think it was weird for them.
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So we can't really use our modern perception. huh Did you mean the English? The English? No, I mean back when like your status was literally everything.
00:25:46
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Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, I had to throw in a jacket. It's better than like having to marry a sibling, you know, or like an uncle or something gross.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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So now we have a sequence of them snuggling in bed and sleeping, Viola waking up, walking through the house. And the narrator explains she would walk and sleep and wake and walk and sleep.
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This is very important.
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then viola has a baby girl and promises to her that no one will take bly manor from her she says and i got this verbatim because i loved this quote she says i will not let them instead we shall move mountains my girl it is you oh also because this is important it is you it is me it is us
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And always in the background is Perdita looking on seemingly happy, but maybe longingly at her sister's husband. All of a sudden, Viola coughs into a tissue.
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And of course, she has the consumption.
00:26:59
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A doctor comes and he's wearing a beak mask. And it's also called a plague doctor. um And they were also nicknamed beak doctors.
00:27:10
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And then i just looked up a little bit of info on that and they really weren't used after the 1600s. They kind of phased out after all those plagues kind of phased out. So, okay.
00:27:22
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I think they used them to, because the smell. And so they would put in the beak, they would put like, um, Like, what is that, potpourri something to kind of mask smell of of ah people who are sick.
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But I don't know. You can fact check that for me. The doctor comes out into the hallway with Perdita and Arthur and ex ah announces that I am struggling today. I'm so sorry.
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The doctor announces it's not the plague. She has the lung and has months to live. Perdita insists to the doctor that you will cure her and he says he doesn't know if he can but says okay.
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um But she has to be separate separated from her daughter. So what we're talking about is ah is um tuberculosis. i Goodness.
00:28:15
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What is wrong with me? I was just going to say do we need to start this over because I'm having a hard time. goodness she has tuberculosis other names for tuberculosis other than the lung which i had never heard of that before but consumption thysis white plague and scrofula so then they move viola to a separate room the doctor tries various remedies including some sort of a smoke
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um leeches, bloodletting. um The clergyman that married them comes back to Bly to give Viola her last rites and Viola says no.
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She won't repeat the rites and she won't die, she says. Perdita is supporting her and telling her to say no.
00:29:10
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um Which if she had had like jealousy in her heart before, why is she telling her sister not to die? Maybe she was being sincere in that moment.
00:29:21
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And like.
00:29:24
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You find out later. She had that feeling in her. In her mind. Yeah. But she was real insistent. She's like no. Don't die. You stay.
00:29:37
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So years go by. And Viola is still alive. Their daughter, elizabeth isabella excuse me Isabella, she looks to be about six or seven, about the same age as Flora.
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And there's it this evening, Isabella wants to stay up and dance instead of going to bed like Perdita tells her to. And Perdita ends up dancing with her brother-in-law. Viola sees them dancing and she's bitter and not happy and she wants to talk to her daughter.
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and they're trying to stop her because she they don't want the daughter to catch what she has. And then she gets sick. After she's sick, she slaps Perdita right across the face and tells her to put her back in bed.
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They have a little confrontation in the bedroom with the narrator telling us that people in the village said that death had already come for Viola, possibly nightly, but was always turned away.
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In the house,
Viola's Haunting and Bly Manor's Curse
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Viola is singing the Oh Willow Whaley song as she wanders through the house in her white nightgown. She stands over her marriage bed where her husband is snuggled in with their daughter. Perdita is giving Viola sponge bath later and we can see that she is very emaciated and bony.
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Perdita counsels her to be kinder because what memories is she leaving behind for Isabel to remember her by? And Viola responds with a cold hard slap. Viola asks for all of her possessions.
00:31:05
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So it's kind of sequencing through these different events.
00:31:09
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So moving on, be she asks for all of her expensive possessions, her silks and her dresses and her jewels to be brought to her. And she is looking at the necklace. And I can't tell, but I think it might be that necklace that Peter had been trying to steal. Maybe.
00:31:27
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Maybe. but It's all in black and white and I just remember the necklace looks very orange when Peter has it. So I can't see if it's the same or not.
00:31:41
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But we can just say it is.
00:31:46
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She's putting together what looks to be like a hope chest maybe for her daughter. I'm like, you know, reading these notes out to my phone as I'm watching. I'm like, I think that's a hope chest.
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I'm guessing. Yeah.
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But she covers it in like um like ah a cloth, like a veil, and adds rose petals. Arthur comes in and she explains that she does not want to be buried in these fineries. She wants to leave them to her daughter.
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She makes Arthur promise to not give the key to the with the keys to the chest to anybody except their daughter. And this maybe thinks, and I was guessing, I'm like, I wonder if he's going to give it to Perdita instead.
00:32:28
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So. um Arthur has to leave to work on making money for them as it had started to dry up and while he's gone Viola stops masking how bad her illness is and as Perdita is taking care of her and then decides to smother her instead and think of it as a mercy.
00:32:51
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so now Viola is gone.
00:32:57
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During his bereavement, Arthur locks the chest with the keys and puts the keys in an envelope and seals it. I'm
00:33:12
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um so sorry. What?
00:33:18
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So like I said before, I use voice to text for my notes so I can like, you know, not take three hours writing these down the breakdown. And I was trying to write, and I just noticed this, I was trying to write the women suitors.
00:33:33
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The women that were coming to the manor to like to try to get the attention of Arthur because, you know, this fortune that he's sitting on in the manor and whatever and his title. But instead of suitors, my notes say scooters.
00:33:47
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A lot of female scooters come to catch his attention. Anyway. But as we all know what would happen, he marries Perdita instead.
00:34:01
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And then we see Viola Lloyd's headstone is on the floor of the church. And so now we know that that was her from seeing it old and weathered and the in the present day of the show.
00:34:13
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Mm-hmm. So um Isabella doesn't like that Perdita is now her stepmother and Perdita wasn't as good of a businesswoman as her sister was. So now the manor is not doing very well at all.
00:34:29
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She says that Viola would have wanted them to use the heirlooms in the hope chest to save the house and Arthur is holding fast to leave the heirlooms to Isabella. And of course, Perdita sneaky sneaks into the office to take the keys to the chest.
00:34:43
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And now she sneaky sneaks in the night in the dark up to the attic to the chest. Along the way, she pauses at her sister's portrait in the attic. She opens up the chest and she moves the veil and she moves the pedals and she picks up the dress.
00:35:00
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And we get a huge, massive jump scare as creepy arms fill out the dress. and strangle her in the morning arthur is looking for her and he finds her dead on the floor of the attic with a horrified expression left on her face
00:35:22
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did it did it get you um i don't think so because it i don't know why but no i didn it didn't get me yeah got me a little bit i'll be honest
00:35:38
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But I like that the typical lead up to a jump scare where everything is like you can start to anticipate that something's coming. He doesn't do that in the shows. He doesn't do that. Everything is just normal.
00:35:51
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Right. And then yeah boom, big old jump scare.
00:36:00
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Any thoughts so far before I move on to the next segment? um I just wanted to verify that the whole plague doctor thing. Yeah. um It was sort of a print and primitive gas mask for medical practitioners in 17th century Europe, usually because of the plague and everything like that.
00:36:23
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And they usually put flowers or herbs i'm assuming in the peak of it to sort sort of help with the smell and just just kind of limit interaction with the the host i guess the host the sick person so the host i don't know why i said it like that
00:36:48
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They're hosting the...
00:36:52
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ah But i don't I'd have to like look this up, but they mentioned the plague a couple of times during this episode. you know The doctor comes out and says, it's not the plague. um And if they're talking about the Black Plague that just ravaged the world um in medieval times, I didn't realize that it was still such a problem or a worry all the way up to the 1600s.
00:37:23
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But maybe.
00:37:26
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Okay. All right.
00:37:35
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Where am I? lost my spot. I'm just like mindlessly scrolling back and forth. And then I'm like, oh, where am I? he just i think you just got done talking about the jump scare.
00:37:47
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Yeah, here I am. So we cut back to Viola's murder. And Viola sits up in bed. And she's been covered by a veil and rose petals, very similar to how she left her things in her hope chest.
00:38:05
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She gets up, but she can't get through the door. It's locked. as well as the windows. She opens her wardrobe and another veil falls covering the clothes as well as some rose petals.
00:38:17
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She looks in the mirror and she doesn't look sickly anymore. She goes back to the bed and sleeps and wakes and tries to walk through the door, but she can't. Walks to the wardrobe, opens it, takes out a dress, sees her reflection in the mirror, and then she looks rotten and scary.
00:38:32
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And so she covers it with the dress. The narrator says she would sleep, she would wake, she would walk, and time went by, sleeping, waking, walking. Finally, she admitted she was dead and everyone will have moved on without her.
00:38:45
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She waited with hope, realizing that her daughter would eventually open the door, door but she would actually be opening the trunk. So she is haunting the trunk.
00:38:57
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Which I thought was so cool. I really liked that. got chills. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah. Like that realization. i was like, oh, get it.
00:39:12
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So finally she hears the keys and sees the door open and she's so happy. But instead of it being Isabella, it's Perdita. She is infuriated and reaches out and strangles her.
00:39:25
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And then the scene with Perdita on the ground with ah Viola like raising up out of the trunk behind her was so scary. hu So cool.
00:39:42
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So, and then I wrote Perdita done messed up.
00:39:50
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So.
00:39:52
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Viola then sleeps and waits. Arthur and Isabel eventually are moving away from the manor. It looks like they're taking the trunk with them and Viola is happy that she gets to come with them even if they don't know that she's there.
00:40:04
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But they're not
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00:40:05
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moving or if they are, they're not taking her with them because they were afraid of the trunk because of what happened to Brida and they drop her in the lake. And our narrator explains that Viola is now refusing to cross over.
00:40:21
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so she's gonna she's gonna stay. and
00:40:30
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So in the lake, she would sleep, she would wake, she would walk, walking from the lake with muddy footprints. She would walk through the house. The house is empty. Every time she would walk through the house, it would break her heart all over again.
00:40:42
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After she fell asleep, she would forget and then wake up and go back to the house and realize and knew that they had left. um I really like this, how like, you know, when we have a dream, we wake up and it fades, right?
00:40:55
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So for her, it's like the opposite. Walking through the house feels like a dream to her. And it's mentioned by the narrator, it feels like a dream to her walking through the house. So when she goes back to sleep, that dream fades.
00:41:08
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And when she wakes up, she forgets. That her daughter's not there. She forgets that her husband has moved away. She forgets everything. And so every time she walks through the house, realizes what has happened, it breaks her heart again every single time. It's really sad.
00:41:31
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And that's probably the last time I'm sad for her. Yeah.
00:41:36
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So later when the manor is being used as a sick house for victims of a plague, she walks through the house and she sees a girl in the bed where her daughter usually was.
00:41:47
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The plague doctor behind her asks who she is and why are you here? It's not safe. And Viola asks, where is her daughter? Immediately she strangles him, breaks his neck and he falls to the ground.
00:41:59
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But now because of her effect on the house and her refusing to cross over, nobody else seems to be able to cross over either. um she's in purgatory and she's keeping everybody else in purgatory with her the narrator explains that everything fades she forgets her name her sister's name memories even her face she walks to the bed one day and finds a child in the bed ah hated this part she sees a child in the bed and takes it with her takes her with her into the lake and I was like is this the little child that Flora found in the house
00:42:37
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I think so. It is. Yeah. So she turned from being a person to just need and rage. Viola,
00:42:47
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not Viola, excuse me, ah Perdita was forgotten in the attic and she's the ghost with the red dress that Flora shushes. but flora shushes
00:43:01
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No, it's also the one where, oh, what's his name? Where what Peter grabs? That Peter grabs. Yeah. Do you want to end up like this? Yeah. Right. Right.
00:43:12
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Yeah. Yep.
00:43:16
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So anybody that crosses her path becomes her victim. And anybody that dies on the grounds and end up being just like them. And so now we're caught back up to present day in the story with Viola grabbing Danny and walking her to the lake.
00:43:31
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The end. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:43:38
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Ah.
00:43:41
Speaker
what an episode so cool i i really enjoyed it i again i just love this series and i love the subtleties of it and um
00:43:56
Speaker
it to To me, this feels like ah a musical piece. And you have this same theme kind of carrying you from start to finish, but you have variations of the theme going on below it and additions to it. And
00:44:21
Speaker
just like undertones and
00:44:25
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It's just, there's a lot that goes into it and it's having conversations about the theme in general and each different episode and how it just relates to each other and it it null it all just kind of meshes up. It's because it's this whole season's about like love. It's a gothic love story.
00:44:43
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It's love and loss and what it does to people. And I just, yeah it's so good. It's so good. It really is good.
00:44:54
Speaker
Yeah. And I love how it's told.
00:44:59
Speaker
Yes, which one made me want to ask, do you feel like the narration was sudden in this episode? Because I feel like we haven't had it in a while. It's kind of popped in and out.
00:45:12
Speaker
You know, it'll be at the beginning of some of the episodes, but I really like that it was throughout the whole episode. I don't know what you mean by like sudden.
00:45:25
Speaker
but no i say just because i had seen other comments people making about about that episode and just how it felt sudden to them um i think i don't i wonder if they're just not noticing the narrator pop in and out of the other episodes because she doesn't really go away completely yeah i i think it's very important because it helps us especially as we go into the last episode it's important to us to my to remember hey this is a story being told like we're not seeing this really in real time this is a story that's being told and it's putting the storyteller in position it's reminding us that she's there um
00:46:13
Speaker
it's it's nice like having that narration throughout this episode more than the other ones i think yeah i agree yeah i'm usually not a huge fan of narration in a lot of movies but i think the way this series has been told as a story ah is perfect for it it's great yeah
00:46:43
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and Another thing I wanted to mention is, do you remember?
00:46:49
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i can't remember specifically which episode, but Henry was talking to Flora and she's, and he was telling her, Hey, give your friend a story and it won't be scary anymore.
00:47:08
Speaker
I wonder how much that's applied to this episode. Hmm. if the story indeed is entirely truthful or if it's a story given to make something seem less scary.
00:47:23
Speaker
I don't want to really say anymore because if there, there are people following along who haven't seen the rest of ah the, of the season. There's stuff in the last episode that tie into what I was saying.
00:47:40
Speaker
I don't remember enough of the last episode. to if I agree with that because just a vengeful
00:47:54
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persona walking through the house she's not she's just anger and rage and grief and sadness she's not killing on purpose other than you're in her path which to me that makes it scary Like, I feel bad for, you know, alive Viola, but I'm terrified of of this, you know, lady of the lake Viola.
00:48:22
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Because it's just without, like, any... She just takes you because you're there. She doesn't go and find you. You just happen to be in her path.
00:48:34
Speaker
So that makes it scarier for me really because i i feel like having oh i don't want to see too much having something happen to kind thoughtless like not yeah there's not any um humanity left in her but having something happen to your loved one and not having an explanation for it and not knowing why why did that happen ah maybe maybe like
00:49:04
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it's not the right sort of thinking of, Hey, it's less scary now. It's, Oh, but I can actually glean some sense out of this and make yourself feel a little bit better. Sure.
00:49:16
Speaker
I guess. um I think that might be, it it could, it's a theory that
00:49:26
Speaker
the storyteller is making herself feel better about events that happen. By giving a story to Viola or the Lady of the Lake. Okay.
00:49:36
Speaker
So I think I'm going to have to revisit this question after I watch the last episode.
00:49:43
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Maybe. See if we can come to an agreement on that. Because at this point, without that context, I don't know. Yeah. I just don't know.
00:49:58
Speaker
That's all the interesting things I have to say. Did you notice the change in the accent sometimes of the narrator? Okay. There was one spot. and Maybe it's just me. I'm going to try to pull it up and have you listen to it Okay.
00:50:17
Speaker
um because it's it's the woman from the first episode who's telling the story to other people in the house right but in this one spot it sounds like Jamie talking so maybe gotta find
00:50:44
Speaker
I think it's here
00:50:50
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Yep, it's here. i'm going to turn my volume up and have you listen to the accent.
00:51:00
Speaker
Without tie to a man. Women in that time had nothing. tie to a man without a tie to a man women in that time had nothing I was like, that's a Jamie accent.
00:51:13
Speaker
oh Let's keep that in our heads for the next episode. Because I don't think anything is on accident in this series. Or in any Blinding in series for that matter.
00:51:27
Speaker
its yeahp It's little nuggets in there for you. I love it. When you go back, you're like, how did I not catch that? know.
00:51:39
Speaker
I want to see we got to pull out credits here who directed this one
00:51:47
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while you're looking that up um I found a reddit post about Bly Manor okay yeah I'm worried because I don't know if this you should be worried has as many fans because they are expecting more of Haunting of Hill House and that's not what this is there's a a good number of that but that's not what i'm talking about um okay there was a post that show has um links to imgur i think is what what it is of all of the hidden ghosts in every episode okay and i once this once we're done i'll have to send it to you okay so you can see them um
00:52:34
Speaker
i I'm proud of myself because I caught a ah lot of them. episode? in this episode No, no. didnt know I didn't. Okay. Cause I was like, I didn't see any in this one but no, you've been really good about finding others and I'm sure we've missed a lot. So there's a plague doctor somewhere in the house that we've missed because that specific sequence of showing the little girl in the corner, you know, she's lost her face and then there's the plague doctor and he's like putting his, his a beak mask back on.
00:53:04
Speaker
And I'm like, so he's in the house, which means he has been somewhere in the background and we just haven't seen him. ah it's like apparently it's a joke that he's been everywhere. like In one of the comments, it's like, Plague Doctor needs another hobby. so Wow. So apparently he shows up a lot, and I just haven't noticed him.
00:53:24
Speaker
Yeah. so Goodness. Okay, so the director of this episode was Axel Carolyn. I'm sorry if I'm not saying your name correctly, but she has...
00:53:37
Speaker
done a few projects she did a couple episodes of them few episodes of mayfair witches couple episodes of midnight club oh i should see which ones witch and anya um a few episodes of american horror story also creep show something called the manor that's a movie
00:54:06
Speaker
Yep. And a few others before that.
00:54:18
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So.
00:54:21
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Yeah. Yep. A lot of these, a lot of the ghosts could be, well, Maybe, but maybe not. And some of them are like, oh, yeah, we definitely missed that one.
00:54:37
Speaker
I'm excited to share that with you. Okay. I'm looking forward to it because I know I've missed tons. Oh, me too. Yeah. There's a lot.
00:54:49
Speaker
i am the plague doctor is all in season in episode one apparent like two just and he's he's all throughout episode one oh no okay and that's like an imposing figure that's gonna scary
00:55:11
Speaker
well that's all i had i'm really excited for next episode Awesome. Me too. And I can't believe how fast this has gone. Like, I feel like we just started the series and we're wrapping it up. We're finishing episodes next time. And we're going to do our wrap up after that and then move on to midnight mass. I can't believe it. I just keep thinking about it.
00:55:36
Speaker
Me too. I just want to watch. I want to watch it again. Like that's something I'm really excited for, but I'm excited to like, I'm like, gonna dive really deep into it i'll do like research and all that kind of stuff and be be try to be professional about it and everything and i don't know how much we've shared before but midnight mass was the inspiration for this whole podcast um but we didn't want to just talk about one but like we really wanted to talk about this show and i'm like i got nobody to talk to this about and you're like i love that show and i'm like oh
00:56:13
Speaker
ah do podcast Let's do it. Yeah, let's go.
00:56:19
Speaker
So, yeah Midnight Mass be that will be really interesting. So, I'm looking forward to it greatly.
00:56:31
Speaker
But that's it for us here now. Okay, bye. Bye. i e