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Episode 6: Two Storms
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Can we rename this episode to Dysfunction? Because hello drama! At Nell's viewing we have all the arguing, and just when we didn't think Steve could get any worse, he hits Hugh with some low blows. Dangit Steve.
Join us for all the emotions today, and make sure to stick around for Corey's Comments!
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Haunted Houses and Podcast Milestones
00:00:02
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It's time for House on the Hill. What? It's haunted. Do you mean the haunting of a hill house? Exactly. Let's go.
00:00:56
Speaker
Welcome back, everyone, to Fans of Flan again. I'm Noah. I'm Laura. And this week we are on episode six. I can't believe we're already in episode six. Yes, it's episode crazy episode six. wanting a pill house i because i know It's two storms. I know the title. I just was like, wait a minute. am Are we on seven or six? Cause I know it's awesome on Netflix. Oh, it was like, Oh, on your continue watching. Yeah. It's hard to believe we're already on episode six. It feels like we just started this season.
00:01:34
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Oh, for sure does. Yeah. um I'm an idiot. And I left my notebook in the other room. Well, why don't you go ahead and go get it? Put down your croissant. i that alright but's gone
00:02:01
Speaker
More dead air. Doo doo doo doo doo. That should be our theme song for when we're something like this. I'm not cutting it out. It's staying in. I feel like every episode we have to have at least one know as an idiot moment. So this is OK.
Critique of 'Argyle' and 'Fast X'
00:02:22
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But before we get in the episode, Laura, have you been watching anything? Uh, we went to the movie theater on Saturday. We went and saw Argyle, which was really fun. Okay. It was really fun. I think you'd like it. It's ridiculous. There's a lot of things in it that I think serious moviegoers will have issue with, but I don't care. It was fun. It entertained me. The story was fun. Um, it was predictable, but I don't care. It was, it was a good show. It was a good time. Yeah.
00:02:59
Speaker
I've heard very differing opinions about that movie. I've heard some people say it was really good. Yeah. Or like what you said, just like enjoyable. Yeah. and other If you don't try to pick it apart, then you're it's going to be fun. Yeah. Yeah. People are just like meh. It was it's a spy thriller, but it's more funny. So it doesn't take itself too seriously. So, you know, so it was it kind of had some elements of like ah the born identity.
00:03:36
Speaker
I feel like every spy movie that has any scene in Europe has to have a weird car chase through the tiny streets in Europe. And so it had that, but they did it over the top and it was really fun. I laughed a lot, but it's supposed to be funny. Yeah. Yeah. A similar movie that we watched recently is Fast X. I had recently shown Jacqueline all of the previous Fast and Furious movie. Bless her. I feel like she needed to. I don't think anybody needs to. Life goes on without seeing them.
00:04:17
Speaker
Because she knew about the car going to space. And I was like, Oh, no. you Witness it fully. And in order to witness it fully, you have to go back and watch all of that. Oh, no. But we didn't watch them in enough time to see Fast X in the theater. And it's on prime now. So we just we watched it, I think last night. um And it's just. It's ridiculous, like ramped up to like a thousand and you can have fun with that. But I just thought there were so many like weird cuts.
00:04:58
Speaker
weird CGI scenes that didn't even matter just took up the runtime. And i i I couldn't enjoy it for because of that. But I know it's one of those movies that you're just supposed to turn your brain off. And I tried turning my brain off and I just couldn't have as much fun as everyone else, I guess. There's a limit. Yeah. But it's funny that we're we both brought up movies that are just kind of lighthearted and funny and entertaining um when we were talking about this week's episode. Oh, it's very
Exploring 'The Tourist' and Accents
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serious. Oh, I watched a series on Netflix.
00:05:43
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I don't know how long it's been on Netflix, but it came out. It's an Australian show and it came out then I think in 2022, but it called The Tourist and it's got the one dude from
00:06:02
Speaker
I think he's the guy from Fifty Shades of Grey, like Jamie Dornan. I don't know if I'm saying. Oh, yeah yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's an Australian show. And I don't know. I like Australian TV. um Interesting. I do. Or no. Or no. And then we lost all of our Australia. they theyre Are there any? Welcome to Pans of Flanagan, oh no. um But it was good, it was really fun. There were there were some, part okay, there's a character in and The Tourist. He's like a bad guy and he's supposed to be this like American cowboy, right?
00:06:54
Speaker
But I didn't know he was supposed to be American until another character mentioned, Oh, the American. And I'm like, wait, what?
00:07:07
Speaker
Cause the accent was not, it was not. I guess now we know how it feels for other people to try to do our accent and not be able to do it. Yeah, there was another show where there was another bad American accent real quick. It was um was it cuckoo that British show ah that what is his name?
00:07:34
Speaker
Taylor Lautner was in it for a minute. And before that, it was another actor. I can't remember. He was in Brooklyn Nine-Nine. But anyway, he was in the show called Cuckoo. And it was such a funny show, especially the first couple seasons. But they had another character in there that's that is a British man playing an American. And it was terrible. It was one of the worst American accents I've ever heard. But most of the time, when somebody else is doing an American accent, I never even know that they're third that they're not. Usually they do a really good job. So it's funny to me when they do a bad job. No offense, please.
Nostalgia in 80s Sci-Fi Documentaries
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Oh, there was ah there was something else that I watched. um It was a documentary. It's it's a hefty one. It's five hours about maybe. So you have to break it down. um But it's called In Search of Tomorrow, and it's all about 80's sci fi. And I just i as a movie fan, as a sci fi fan, um like fantasy fan, I dug it very much. And it was really interesting to get all these little nuggets of knowledge and.
00:08:52
Speaker
movies that I hadn't even heard of. And I feel like if if you were to go back and um people like my dad were to go back and and watch this movie, it'd bring up memories of all these movies that came out during that time. They're just kind of forgotten time at this point. So that might be enjoyable. it's Again, it's five hours. It's a hefty documentary. You might have to break it up, but i I liked watching it. So. Interesting. Fun. Very cool. Well, I guess we're going to be sad now. Yeah.
Episode Six's Emotional and Storytelling Depth
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I make no promises. No, this was a rough episode. Yeah, it was not easy. Yeah, it.
00:09:51
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that There were two moments in here that made me cry, I think. Um, and it just, we'll see if I do it again. I hope not. I'm going to try not to cry during the podcast. Um, but we'll see. Well, this episode is the two storms or two storms. Sorry, just two storms, two storms, attracted by the goat and. Oh, fun fact. I was watching his stories on Instagram the other day and he did a, an ask me anything like the, uh, the Instagram feature. That's, that lets you anonymously submit a question. And somebody asked, what was the hardest shot to make in your filmography? And he said episode six of Haunting of Hill House, yep just the whole episode. and And then watching it, I was like, Oh,
00:10:48
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It was almost all a continuous shot. and It was continuous shot after continuous shot. I don't even know if I had noticed any cut scenes at all. i
00:10:59
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there There was one, maybe 20 minutes in. Well, I don't know how long in, but it it feels like it goes a while and I couldn't see any points where there would have been a cut. There were like fades as they went from the funeral home to the to Hill House. Yeah. but that was So that wasn't like an actual, that wasn't a true continuous shot. You know, they just kind of manipulated it to look like that, but but did you but as far as all the scenes. Oh, amazing job. yeah Yeah. But all the shots in the funeral home, I think they were all continuous.
00:11:40
Speaker
I don't know. I'm not an expert in anything. So yeah, I couldn't I couldn't tell. Come at me. No, but it's very clear that that must have been extremely hard to do. Yeah. And the context of the episode very hard. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think this might be one of my favorites so far.
00:12:07
Speaker
In the series, like going back and rewatching it, I think this is what this is probably my favorite episode so far. I have to think about it, but I think this is it. um I have a jump scare count of a possible.
00:12:25
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I have one maybe. I have one maybe. I have one. Okay. I don't count it if it actually got me, but you know, as far as like what a jump scare is, I counted one and then I counted like two halves. Okay. Okay. Interesting. So we'll get there. um
00:12:49
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We start off with Shirley is getting Nell ready. um She's like, I guess, putting the finishing touches on her.
00:13:01
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And in the funeral home, Nell is in the casket. Yes. And Shirley is. Thank you for setting the stage.
Funeral Preparations and Family Dynamics
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little context in case it's been a while since you've seen the episode. Please watch these before we talk so we don't sound like absolute loons. But yeah, they're in the funeral home. And Shirley is like setting her hair. She's laying her hair, Nell's hair in the cast, like fussing with her hair as Nell is in her casket for the viewing.
00:13:36
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Yes, for the viewing. I'm so sorry. My headphones messed up for just a second. Thank you so much for saying that. I get my notes sometimes and I don't even like give myself like the setting anyway. No, you're good. Theo is like on the movies that they all say that people look like they're sleeping. wow But now looks dead. Not sleeping is what she says. Right. And I find that to be pretty true.
00:14:18
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So you've you've gone to like an open casket before? Mm hmm. OK, so you yeah you agree with. Just a handful. Uh huh. Yeah, they don't. Yeah, they just don't look like themselves anymore. They don't look like they're sleeping. They look like they're gone. Yeah. Okay. I, I've never been to one. Um, when my grandmother, your great grandmother died, uh, they did a great job with her. Like the mortician's just fantastic. She looked beautiful, but she didn't look like herself. Mm-hmm.
00:15:00
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Like they look like themselves, but they don't like yeah it. That's, they just, that's just what it is. It's just, yeah, it's just something missing. Yeah. Yeah. Cause they're not there anymore. So. Yeah. Well, right now it is, it's just Shirley, Theo and Kevin. Um, Kevin is getting all the food ready and making sure it's out and it's there if people want it. And Shirley's helping now, um, putting finishing touches, I guess. And then Theo is drinking. That's all he was doing right now. Um, yeah I guess they're waiting on everybody else and.
00:15:42
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Um, because Steven, you and, and Luke are all flying across the country and they're waiting for them to get in. Um, so they're sitting down, waiting for them to get in and surely goes, please Luke, don't F this up. I thought great confidence in your siblings. Oh my gosh. And my immediate thought in that moment when she said that was like, oh really, you're that you don't have any problems. You don't have the capacity yeah to to bring drama or mess anything up. yeah Like let's play let's blame the yeah the newly sober addict for... And in fact, like Luke
00:16:23
Speaker
Didn't cause a scene. He didn't do anything. No the entire episode. He didn't attack anybody. Nobody attacked him. Right. He caused the least amount of drama in the whole dynamic in that whole situation. He was the quietest. And then you're going to say, don't F this up. luke No, come on. You're good. Yeah. Anyway, oh I get so sad and so angry during this episode as I was watching it and These siblings make me so mad um Theo says no was always trying to get us everybody in one place And in like a throwaway line she says she didn't have to try this hard I'm just like
00:17:10
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out. Come on. Come on. She's right there. Yeah. Anyway, the boys get there.
00:17:23
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Luke and Stephen and Stephen tries to go get give you a hug and she walks away from them and he's still not a hugger. Then Luke basically just stares towards Nell. Kevin tries to say Hey, if you need anything, we got you. If you need food, we have mountains of it. Take whatever you want. And Luke just backs out and he he's just like, I can't, ike I can't, I I can't. And then Steve kind of tells everyone that he and, wow, I forgot his wife's name.
00:18:10
Speaker
Anyway, he tells everyone that they're on a break because they're like, oh, why aren't you why isn isn't she here? um And he's like, oh, we're on a break. And they're like, they can explain it. ah brit What does that mean? Instead of just like taking the hint that they're having a rough patch. They're like, what kind of a break? Are you divorced? Are you separated? Oh, her name in the show is Lee. Thank you, Lee. And he's like, well, if you guys were married, you would know that sometimes you just need space from each other. I'm like, no. Not if you're in a good marriage. Oh, my gosh.
00:18:56
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and so steve takes a drink as well um then luke kind of gets up to courage says i'm gonna rip off the band-aid and um both steve and luke go up to sea um now
00:19:18
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And Steve is a little like us in this moment in that he sort of uses humor to as a mechanism. He goes, yeah, that's her. detective ye that's her All right. That was a little cringy. Yeah, a little bit. little bit. He did not know that he was gonna react that way. Nope. And he he sort of he sort of freaks out a little bit and and backs away and was like, it's obvious that he can't do this either. Yeah. um
00:19:54
Speaker
That everyone kind of goes out of the room and he's he's about to follow them. And he looks over at Nils Casket and he sees Liv standing right by it. He's like, nope, I'm going crazy. I'm seeing things. And then he looks away and he looks back and she's even closer. I'm like, don't look again, please. I don't want her to be right there next to you. So I wasn't clear if they were a little ambiguous with this, if he was actually seeing his mother or not.
00:20:29
Speaker
Do you think he saw her? I think he did. Cause you could even read it as, get you know, like he, he looks at his sister in her casket and has a hard time with that. Yeah. Cause he, cause even when he says like, get, get it together, like get your courage together to go look at her, to go see her, to go closer to the coffin.
00:20:57
Speaker
But then it also reads as he's seeing a vision of his a dead mother. So and i tens I think he was saying, I'm going to change it. I think he was saying things because Nell is there.
00:21:19
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but a majority of everyone doesn't see her. I think he was the only one that sees her. At one point, no one sees her. I'll tell you what parts I'm talking about later on. You think Steve saw her? No,
Unraveling Nell's Death Mystery
00:21:37
Speaker
no, no. I'm saying no. You think Steve saw no? No, no, nobody else saw no but you. Right. And there was one shot where she's there with everybody, but nobody sees her. Right. Right. um But this one particular moment with Steve, do you think Steve sees their mom when she was there? Oh, he for sure sees something. I don't know if that's actually real. Like, I don't know if she.
00:22:07
Speaker
It's hard to explain, you know, I think he was seeing things because of, because he just saw no, and he, I guess wasn't ready for it. I don't know. What do you think? I don't know. Cause they played it both ways. They played it like he didn't want to see Nell and her casket and they also played it like he was kind of seeing that apparition of his mom because like it it works both ways so I don't know but his reaction wasn't that of like is that my mom right there you know what I mean he was just kind of like like get it together I don't know basically yeah
00:23:02
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I don't know if she pops up again.
00:23:06
Speaker
No, I don't think she does. Yeah. Anyway, he walks out of the room and everyone It's basically like spill the beans. What happened? What do you know? And and he said, um, well, like she killed herself. Like, what what else do you want me to know? You know, oh, like, what do you want? Oh, you know, tell you what made me kind of angry and sad was that when they sat there talking about her with the assumption or, you know, supposition that she committed suicide,
00:23:48
Speaker
when we know already from her perspective, she didn't, that it was done to her. And then everybody's just bashing her for, for doing it to herself, you know, it was just really sad. Yeah, there yeah there's a, there's a ah line further on head that I wrote down that fits into that as well. Yeah.
00:24:15
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But
00:24:19
Speaker
They were all like, well, didn't you talk to dad like on the flight over? Like, did he tell you? yeah And he's like, no, he was in coach. And they're like, wait a minute. So you and Luke flew first class and he made dad riding coach.
00:24:41
Speaker
and Steve tries to say, oh no, wait like he he said it was fine. He insisted, he insisted. He wanted to pay for his own ticket was what it was. I don't know, I just would have bought his first class ticket and been like, there you go, it's done. Yeah, like too bad you're doing it. Don't make me waste money. But then we get Hugh. finally gets there and it does this really cool shot where the camera spins around him and we see through his perspective at all the kids and they're young again and then it goes around him again and it's everyone as an adult. Yeah because as a parent that's just yeah that's kind of just how you see your kids like my oldest is 15 and I just
00:25:30
Speaker
Visually, he doesn't look, you know, he doesn't look like his little toddler self anymore, of course, but like when I think of him, he's, you know, my little my little boy, but he's, you know, almost as tall as me and he speaks like he's got a super deep voice and facial hair.
00:25:52
Speaker
like it's hard to there's like a period it's hard to reconcile your children not being children anymore so that resonated with me when he looks at his kids and he just sees his babies but they're not anymore they're all grown up um it makes it even sadder that they're going through all this stuff and he just still sees them as these little kids yeah um but he's talking to Shirley and he is just bumbling all over his words. yeah And just can't seem to put together a sentence cohesively and everything like that.
00:26:38
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Steve is the the the hero of the show this week, um just has never, never has anything good to say is just, a word I don't want to say right now to everybody in his family. He's a meanie. a je You're a jerk.
00:27:01
Speaker
Well, obviously, their father is having a hard time because that's his daughter and his youngest daughter that's gone. And they're giving him a hard time for not being able to be eloquent. Yeah, it seems like you want to give the eulogy tomorrow? Great job. Oh my gosh. Shut up. Shut up, Steve. That was so mean. Oh, anyway. You everybody comes in this room, you walks over to see now and he sees the casket. I cried. And if that doesn't tell you what your info in for for this episode, I don't know what will. I didn't cry at that point, but it didn't. Oh, I did. No.
00:27:52
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um
00:27:54
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And it goes to a shot of all the siblings looking at now. And we see her in the background as the Benton lady. Right. She's not. It's so subtle. It's so subtle. The first time I watched it, I completely missed it. I'm pretty sure I missed it. Yeah. It's just. There she is. Yeah. um
00:28:27
Speaker
Wow, this episode really gets to you. Anyway, Hugh walks off. um I can't remember for what reason. I don't know if he said, I think it was the bathroom. He asks where the bathroom is. And he's walking down the hallway and he makes a turn and all of a sudden he's in Hill House again in the middle of the night.
00:28:53
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and
00:28:56
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I think the shot is brilliant. I think it shows that he's going into a memory while still doing the whole one shot thing. So I really appreciate it. And it still keeps it like supernatural and creepy.
Stormy Nights and Supernatural Blends
00:29:10
Speaker
And oh, I don't know if we mentioned that in the present day funeral home, there's a big storm raging outside. Yes, yes. Yeah, that's that's the first storm. Loud, loud, loud rain. That's one storm. And then as we shift into this memory ah of Hill House, there's another storm going on. Yeah. This one seems a little more violent.
00:29:38
Speaker
But we'll get into that. He's walking through the house. He gets to the the main foyer. And this is where I have a possible maybe jump scare when with a chandelier falling. That's 100% a jump scare. It comes out of nowhere. It's loud. It's supposed to startle you. It's unsettling. it's Yes, that is a jump scare. It didn't make me jump. But yes, it's a jump scare. So that is going to be the only one that I put there. That's that's the one that I had.
00:30:13
Speaker
yeah And this pretty much wakes everybody up in the house. Everyone comes down the stairs and is like, whoa, what the heck happened?
00:30:28
Speaker
And I can't remember was Hugh already walking down the stairs when that happened or did he come down? No, he come he came down after it fell down. Live followed shortly after, but they weren't together before that. I think she came from another part of the house. She's like, Oh, yeah, because he asked. I think it was sleepwalking. She's sleepwalking. She said she was wandering. I think I was sleepwalking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then all the kids come down. I think the little ones first both Nell and Luke then Theo and Steve I think I think Shirley's the last one.
00:31:10
Speaker
um But Liv's trying to calm the youngest two down saying, it's okay. It's just a storm and storms pass. So it'll be okay. And then she explains hail, which I thought was interesting. I never really knew how hail worked. I thought it was just there really, it was like, i't I didn't really know how it worked. No, the rain goes up and it freezes and it comes down and exactly how she described it. It goes up and it comes down. It goes until it's too heavy and then it just comes down. yeah like um And the stronger the storm is, I think the bigger the hail can get.
00:31:52
Speaker
Yeah, so it's I think it's it's just a straight up thunderstorm, but the wind is so heavy that it lifts the thunder cloud up, I guess. It lifts the raindrops back up. The raindrops, okay. So the wind gushes the rain up where it gets higher and it freezes, and then that falls, and if the wind is still strong enough, it can go up again. But yep, everybody has Google. Go ahead and do your research if you want. But as far as my sixth grade science knowledge, because I think that was the last time I learned about weather patterns. What's the study of weather again? What's the word for it?
00:32:34
Speaker
I can't. Yeah. The little meteorology lesson for everybody. There you go. in this episode Not what you asked for, but that's what you got. Yeah. Pretty cool. But because of the hail, Shirley's window broke.
00:32:51
Speaker
And it's waters getting in she can't sleep in there tonight And all of a sudden the power goes out then this it's just like weird kind of scene where No, it was like freaking out or whatever. She's like backing away. It's like I don't know
00:33:17
Speaker
ah like why did That was a weird shot. you yeah can you explain where she's like walking she's there Everybody's in a panic because of the window breaking and the hail and then the power goes out and so they're kind of scrambling. is that the moment That's the moment where the power goes out, right? Yeah. yeah So they're everybody's kind of scrambling and they're trying to keep everybody together but now kind of Slips to that area behind the staircase the grand staircase where they have like a bunch of like these Greek statue type figures ah But she's like it's a close-up on her but she's kind of walking backwards but kind of spinning and then her arms are out but she's Yeah like disoriented it was a it was ah it was it it was a weird
00:34:02
Speaker
It was a weird shot. like she I didn't understand why it had to be that dramatic for her in that moment. Yeah, that's that shot kind of put me off a little bit. um Yeah, I don't know whose choice it was to make her to make her do those movements, but um regardless, the next part is pretty cool. Yeah, and she she looks over and she sees the bent neck lady. Oh, in the flashes of lightning. Yeah. I completely missed it. And then she starts screaming. And I was like, I didn't see that. Ask my husband, did you see? He's like, yeah, she was right there. And I'm like, I got to go back. So I rewound it and saw it. And then in the flash of lightning where she's just there, like the statue is on the left and then she's like in a little doorway on the right, I would count that as like half of a jump scare.
00:34:48
Speaker
because if you're not expecting to see it, I was looking for it, but you know if I had seen it when I wasn't expecting to, then it would have probably startled me. okay So I would say that's like a half, but very creepy, very eerie, pretty scary.
00:35:06
Speaker
um Because she screams, they all rush to her and and get her and make Theo kind of hold her hand. And everyone else is getting flashlights and putting batteries in the flashlights and just trying to get light on. um It was a weird it was kind of a weird forced dynamic there where you have five of them doing the batteries and the flashlights and then the other two just standing off to the side, like why did they have to stand way that far away instead of just being in the circle even if they weren't, like I understand for this the story that happened next, like this next part,
00:35:49
Speaker
to make that work, but it just seemed to a little too, it just was kind of unnatural. yeah I feel like in that situation, everybody would have been in the middle of the carpet, even if they're not putting batteries in flashlights. Cause then they even had like a little conversation together in the middle of the room. Yeah. And I feel like they made that choice because of like the whole one shot thing, you know,
00:36:14
Speaker
Maybe no, I understand why they did it. But yeah as far as like how things would go normally and naturally, I don't think that would have happened. Right. So I get why because of what happened next. But like it seemed forced. That's all. That's probably my only critique of the whole episode. I think we missed like a line, though, where Liv says
00:36:43
Speaker
because Nell was freaking out saying she saw the Benedict lady. I think Liv says, I see people too, but they won't hurt us. Yeah. They're not here to hurt us. I see them too. They're not here to hurt us, right? Yeah. Anyway, um, good catch. The rest of the family's putting batteries in flashlights. Theo's holding Nell's hand and then Nell was just gone at one point. Um, and that they all look for her. Um, Lucas scared and everything like that. And.
00:37:25
Speaker
Hugh comes up to kind of like comfort Luke a little bit. And then Steve comes up afterwards and he says he won't let anything happen to them. And that's the only good thing um Steve does in this episode.
00:37:44
Speaker
As he's being a good older brother and he's trying to to calm Luke down and he's like, yeah, I'm always going to be here for you. I'm like, I'm always good. Was anyone talking to you? I don't know if you heard my cat meow. I did.
00:38:01
Speaker
um I guess he agrees. so yeah um Anyway, that's like the first cut. that I noticed. I mean, there was probably one before that, but the first hard cut um where they made it distinct was between young Steve and then old Luke. I say old Luke, but older Luke. And they're all telling memories of Nell and
00:38:37
Speaker
Steve is trying to remember the made up word that Nell used to say when they were living with their aunt. um That made their aunt mad at Nell. And she was like, stop saying that word. Stop saying that word. It's a made up word and saying and Nell saying, aren't all words made up at first? Stuff like that.
Family Conflicts and Blame
00:39:00
Speaker
But the word was puffleope.
00:39:04
Speaker
And she used to write these letters to Santa. And he says that she wrote those letters for her other siblings. She never wanted anything for herself. And she always tried to make sure her siblings were taken care of.
00:39:35
Speaker
sorry that that hits that's really hard and he was recounting this memory and and he says Liv said oh yeah that's that's a seed that we're gonna grow or it's a seed that we're gonna water that seed we're gonna grow that tree just saying how
00:39:57
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such a good quality that was for Nell to have, that she wasn't asking anything for herself. And she was just trying to get her siblings what they wanted because she wanted to make them happy. And she knew what they want. Like she paid attention. She was, she was a part of their lives. And he continues to say that she wrote letters monthly to him, just telling him about everyone else, uh, how they're all doing. Um, um, and then Shirley says,
00:40:44
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in in the middle of that it it feels off-putting but Shirley says in the middle of that that two of us and everyone's like what like what are you talking about and she's like two of us decided to die and she gets really hurt and upset and she says i I don't understand why she did it because she she knew how much pain it causes everyone. So why did she go and do it? And that that connects to what you were saying earlier. That was exactly what I was referring to earlier yeah was yeah when they started speaking badly about her doing this quote to herself. But we already know that she really
00:41:31
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didn't do it to herself technically. Yeah. Sorry, my nose is actually kind of.
00:41:49
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Then Steve was trying to just get information. And he's like, well, did she say anything else in those letters? did Oh yeah, he immediately got mad. yeah like like Like their dad was hiding something from him. Some clue that would lead to them all knowing what she was about to do. yeah Like, you know, you you like to hide information from us. Yeah, they don't. So you're still doing it.
00:42:27
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And you pretty much says like, no, there wasn't really anything except for the night that she called me, you know, the same night that she tried to call you guys and you didn't pick up. Yeah. Yeah. Called me. Yeah. And she said that she was seeing the bent neck lady again.
00:42:47
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And this is where I first get pissed off at, at, at Steve and Steve was like, Oh, there it is. You know, hereditary mental illness, yeah a mental illness. Yep. Um, I can't remember. There was some specific line that he said, um,
00:43:12
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I'm trying to find.
00:43:16
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I was riding while I was working out i was ah was biking and I was watching episode and trying to do this. And so my handwriting is a little... um But they're saying that basically Hugh let her believe all all the BS about Hill House. So it makes him culpable. And right he didn't do anything. She said, obviously, that she she saw the bedneck lady and he didn't do anything. And he immediately is like, Yeah, I did. I called you and I told you to go to her. Like, I, I called you immediately. what Like, what are you talking about?
00:44:00
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um
00:44:03
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And they're just They talked about therapist. There's a part earlier in the episode where Shirley is is sitting there and saying, why didn't she talk to one of us? I was always available. She could have talked to me about anything. And I'm thinking, I feel like she had really tried to talk to you and you either didn't answer or you shut her out or you were tired of her. And then to turn around in retrospect and be like putting it on Nell, why didn't she reach out? Well, she did. You just assumed you had more time to talk to her.
00:44:44
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and everyone's trying to call Steve off and Shirley says, Steve, you're drunk. This part was funny. in the midst like In the midst of everything. this was This is a funny moment for me because Shirley's like, Steve, you're drunk. And Steve was like, no, Theo's drunk, but I'm pissed. And Theo's just like, but hes sort ah you She shrugs like, excuse me? I thought that was really funny. Why are you bringing me into this?
00:45:16
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um
00:45:21
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And then he he was basically saying, you know, you're entitled to your anger. You're allowed to be upset. You're allowed to feel all this way. You guys are all allowed to feel this way. And and Shirley kind of cut Steve off and he's like, before you start talking about all this, like you have no room to talk because you used everyone for profit, you used everyone's trauma for profit. Everything there it is saying this yeah entire season. Yeah, Shirley finally says it. Yeah. She's like, you try to offer us your blood money. And anyway,
00:46:01
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everyone keeps getting on Theo for drinking. And they're like, oh, you're drunk. And Theo was like, let me grieve how I want to grieve. And then she she tries to go sit down. This is another part, by the way. This is another part that pulled me out of the episode. She goes to sit down and then does this weird fall. Yeah. And like hits her head. Yeah. That fall was so ridiculous. I mean, she did a good job for what it was, but I was like, what?
00:46:38
Speaker
She just needed to sit on the edge of the sofa. Yeah. I thought it was, I thought it was kind of funny. Um, but everyone, or I think Kevin and Steve, I think try to help her up. They try to help her up and she's like, don't touch me. Don't touch me. ah She screams at them. Yeah. Oh, um, yep. And then she says, I already have enough of my own grief. I don't need yours too. And then was it Shirley that then said, what is that supposed to mean? Yeah.
00:47:11
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And then that pisses off Theo, cause she's like, do you even know me? yeah Like how self-centered is Shirley in that minute to forget one of like the biggest parts of Theo completely.
00:47:33
Speaker
That was messed up. exactly Yeah, and really it really is. And Theo has enough of it. And she's like, you know what? I did take the money. Yeah, took his money. And I'm glad I took it because I got my my my what, PhD. Yep. I went to school and her education. Yep. Or amazing. That felt like that felt like a retaliatory response to what Shirley said. oh Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Um. Then the two go back and forth and they argue and and Shirley basically kicks the out and she's like, you basically had the audacity of staying. I put a roof over your head and all this time you were taking his money when I said no one's going to take your money, Steve. um So she just feels very hurt and betrayed.
00:48:28
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And then to make it worse, Kevin's or Steve is like, you know, you sound really stupid right now. Just wait. And then Kevin's like, uh, yeah, we kind of took the money to, you know, the, the checkbook that you found. Yeah. We have an account with all that money in there because
00:48:52
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he wasn't I didn't feel like he was trying to blame Shirley I thought he was I felt like he was just saying you keep cutting cost you keep doing these pro bono funerals right doing all those stuff
00:49:08
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Logically, we can't keep ourselves afloat like that. That's not how you run a business and He's not I don't I don't feel like he was blaming her. I don't feel like he was mad um No, he was i just giving her the truth. Yeah and She's again she feels betrayed and she's like you made me look like an idiot. Well, that's true Yeah. And this surely just can't take this anymore. And she screams at everyone to get out and leave. And in the middle of them doing that, she goes over to now and she sees buttons over her eyes. And she's like, who the heck did this? Who did this? And it's getting really mad at everyone. um And then the power goes out.
00:50:01
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Like it did At Hill House that night And so with all of these shots they're done in like this I don't know if you want to is it like circular or what the right word would be where this the camera is just circling around them and and Indifferent to get all these different angles. You know what I mean? Like the continuous shot just has the camera wrote. That's the word I wanted rotating around them, right? Mm-hmm So I didn't and do this, but I don't know if you noticed anybody approaching the coffin, if there was anything like quietly in the background, because that happens a lot in these shows of something just happening quietly in the background, like Nell is the bent neck lady, oh my gosh, the bent neck lady, just standing there quietly, just unassuming, and you have to notice it. So I don't know if you caught anybody going up to the casket,
00:50:56
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I didn't. anything to look I didn't either. And I didn't look again, but I just kind of wonder if like, if that ah happened or if it just, you know what I mean? Cause it, it could be that maybe there was like a CS spot where maybe their mother was there or something and did that. I don't know, but I didn't catch anything. Yeah, ah that's something we have to go back and look at, hopefully. Because I really was trying to pay attention to the background a lot. there's There's a lot of stuff. Well, I say a lot, but there was a decent amount of stuff that you could see in the background that was like, like, no. I don't think I saw that the first time.
00:51:47
Speaker
when it's looking at all the siblings and she's just in the back technically. Yeah. um I don't know if I saw that the first time. So I think for the show in general, it's you're always going to be rewarded for kind of looking in the background and paying attention to the details. Right.
00:52:06
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But like I said, the power goes out and he looks over to the left because everyone kind of dissipates and someone's like, yeah, I'm going to go check the backup generator or something. um and he looks over at one end of the corridor and sees Nell as the bent neck lady and he he's walking down that hallway and he opens up the door and there's where the second hard cut is. As younger Hugh opens up the door and he steps into Hill House and both he and Liv are looking for Nell
00:52:44
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Um, Hugh at one point goes off and looks in another room and we're following Liv and she's looking at all the, the bedrooms and she hears ah or dur a rattling on one of the rooms. And as she's walking out of the room that she's currently in, if you look in the background, well, it's not hard to miss, but there's yeah um an old lady laying there. Sitting up in the bed. Yeah.
00:53:17
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which I'm assuming is the same one that Luke saw in the like speaker thing. and Oh, yeah. Yeah. And is it the is it the lady that had the teacup set with the cup of stars, Hazel? I think that was Hazel. Is that her name? I'm going to say that was her name. Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:44
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Um, I'm pretty sure that's, that's who it is. Cause the, the housekeeper said that she took care of her when she was really old and in this room. And I think you're right that it's that same room with the the speaker phone. Yeah. Um, but she goes towards the door knob that's rattling and she opens it and there's
00:54:14
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A little sickly you Victorian boy in a wheelchair wheelchair. Yeah. And he just rolls out to the room. Yeah. Just very casually. Yep. And the first time watching this, I think I was like, what? What on earth? What am I watching right now? What is going on? It's that time of night when they get to roam the house, I guess. And the Dudley's always said they never stayed past, you know, a sundown. Um, but Liv said earlier that they don't want to hurt us. So yeah what is trying to hurt them? Uh, the house? I don't know. We'll get into that later. Yeah, we will. Cause actually my husband had some ideas that were interesting. Um, and
00:55:11
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Hugh comes back into I don't know, he he he's walking toward her where we just saw where Liv was and her flashlight is on the floor and she's like nowhere to be seen. And then he looks down the hallway and he sees her just standing there at the end of the hallway walking forward and he's like, OK, walks over, sees her at the other end and and then he loses her like he's like, Where did she go? Cause it's like a dead end. ah He looks the other way and she's on the other end. So she's like disappearing and appearing throughout the entire house. He's getting mad. He's like, what are you doing? Yeah. And then he sees like a vision of her in front of a glass window and know it shatters and he looks back and the window is fine and she's not there at all. Yeah.
00:56:03
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and So when he was in the hallway and the windows were breaking like one at a time, did that really happen or was that just like another sort of visual hallucination? Because it never cut back so after you see that the main windows weren't broken and Liv was not standing there, but it never cut back to those other windows. So did those break or did they not break? I think they broke, but
00:56:33
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the other ones didn't like again we because we didn't see it go back to normal so i i'm just assuming but they actually broke i think yeah i remember it was just very dramatic how it was like answer this one then the next one then the next one yeah like it though like they were chasing him yeah yeah i think i think we actually get an answer in the next episode
00:56:58
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so okay excuse me um but then he finds live right where she disappeared basically and she just seems really dazed and she says the same thing she like was wandering i guess um she says i'm having the strangest dream or something is that where she says that yeah and then the kids start screaming like big time screaming yeah like someone died and they come back down and steve says he saw like something like a dog that came through there and big glowing red eyes um
00:57:45
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And then you goes to check it out and then we find one of the little ones said ah they had big glowing eyes or big red eyes or red glowing eyes. And then Steve was like, I didn't see the eyes, but I saw the dog run through. Gotcha. I guess, I guess I mixed that up a little bit. No, it's okay. I just figured it was like, it's very Steve to, to not notice the weird thing about what's happening. I mean, a big giant dog running through is weird, but like, Steve's like, I didn't see any glowing eyes, but I did see a big dog run through. Yeah. Good old Steve, right? Um, and then we, little Steve.
00:58:30
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go back to the present.
00:58:35
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and And Oh, no, no, I'm sorry, right before that now appears.
Revelations of Nell's Haunting Presence
00:58:43
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She reappears. And yeah, that's back right where she had been. You know, and it cuts back to the present and Luke and he were talking and they both realized that Nell was the bent neck lady all along. Um, so we get that, um, revelation. Well, we know that they know basically, and they both know that Nell didn't kill herself. Right. And so Luke is saying, well, what happened with mom? Like, do you,
00:59:22
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with the same thing basically, did mom kill herself? or What happened?
00:59:29
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And then Steve appears and basically ruins all of it. And he's like, oh, like five minutes alone, you're already trying to work on Luke. Whatever that means. Like basically feeding him his craziness. Um,
00:59:50
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And I think, I think it was, um, he was like, Oh, you know what? Fine. You want to hear it? Fine. I'll tell you the house killed her. Not Nell didn't kill herself. The house killed her. And now when Luke saw the face of the house clearer than the other kids, and so did live.
01:00:19
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Um, and then Steve and Hugh get into a fight and Steve says that, um, they're just yelling at each other at this point. And he was trying to say, you know what your problem is, Steve, you know what your problem is. And Steve says, you know, my problem was that the wrong parent died that night. Too far da thats so that a little too close to unforgivable.
01:00:48
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Yep.
01:00:51
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And Steve just falls right down the list for me. Like he's he loses so many points for me. Yeah.
01:01:04
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I couldn't. I couldn't even imagine. Going up to my dad and saying something like that. You know, no.
01:01:20
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And just putting blame on on somebody else, you know, it's insane. I agree. It's completely mom, basically. Right. It's Steve is very close minded as far as understanding or even opening himself up to other people's experiences. He has his experience and that's the truth. And that's all he's willing to to accept, right?
01:01:55
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So anybody else's experience, it's it's you're crazy, you're deluded, there's something wrong with you. and then if and And so that scene where Luke and and their dad are talking about what they both understand and what they both have experienced, and then Steve blaming their dad for trying to convince Luke of his delusions. Instead of maybe just thinking for a second, other people's experiences are different from yours. Maybe they're right too.
01:02:39
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Yeah, I just that just made me so mad. Oh, I agree. 100% I agree.
01:02:48
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I couldn't deal with it. And now basically intervenes at this point in her coffin falls. Yeah. Basically stop them. And in what I think it's to stop them from fighting. It and does work. It does stop them from fighting together. Yeah.
01:03:12
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Shirley goes to get the makeup because she says she needs to basically fix her makeup a little bit. The boys come together and they lift the coffin up and set it facing on properly on the ground so she's it's not tilted or sideways or anything. Yeah.
01:03:36
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as Shirley is going to go get the makeup she sees Kevin and Theo kind of like together like we don't see any kissing we don't see anything no they're in a closet kind of they' yeah the closet holding each other and there's a little bit of scrambling and it's awkward and it yeah makes it look one way yeah and so
01:04:02
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Shirley just walks away and as she's walking away, she looks into one of the rooms and she sees the man with the glass. Like when he raises up at her and like a toast and then she walks away and then we flashback to the past.
01:04:27
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And Mel is standing there. And she she says that she was right here. She was shouting and screaming.
01:04:44
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But no one could hear her. And she says, Why couldn't you see me or why? I don't know if it was why wouldn't you or why couldn't you? So why couldn't you see me?
01:05:08
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I'm sorry. No, take your time. And we go to the present.
01:05:31
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And we see Luke just kind of watching her and Steven Luke kind of walk off together and we hear young Luke. ah we We hear his voice over it. He says, don't ever do that again. Don't leave ever again.
01:06:01
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He said, I was so worried the house had gotten to you. And he was so glad that she was okay. It's like, I won't let anything ever happen to you. And we panned over back.
01:06:26
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We panned over back to Nell.
01:06:33
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And she's standing there as the betneck lady. We hear her as a child saying, I was right here. I didn't, I didn't go. I was right here. And none of you could see me.
01:06:57
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And that's, that's the end of the episode.
01:07:04
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And it's heartbreaking.
01:07:15
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Everyone kept saying, we're here for you. I won't let anything ever happen to you. But it was.
01:07:32
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No, no, it was always there.
01:07:38
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But no one saw her. No one could hear her. No one was there for her when she really needed it. She called and no one had the time to pick up the phone.
01:08:17
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I don't know if any of you listening have ever felt like that.
01:08:29
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I know I have. And maybe maybe it's a self-inflicted feeling. Maybe it's a, I'm talking from my own personal experience, but me sometimes I think I'm just looking for attention.
01:08:50
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And that makes me feel bad about myself, but I promise you it doesn't.
01:09:03
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If you need help, if you feel like you need someone just to hear you, to see you, you're not a bad person for that.
01:09:22
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And I really hope we have somebody in your life who's there for you.
01:09:40
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That's a hard one. That was a hard ending to the episode. And I agree that I think everybody can relate to that in some degree or another, some more than most.
01:09:54
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And if I can, because I have felt like that, and in those times what I found is helpful when I don't have someone who can listen to me, I can be the listening ear for somebody. If I need some attention for myself, I can give attention to someone. one And then it circles back around and then, you know, there are other times where, you know, I do have the person that that will listen to me that will give me the attention that I need. But in the moments where I don't, I try to be the person that gives the attention that gives the compassion that gives
01:10:45
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the need that that somebody has. So thank you for sharing that and wrapping up that last scene because that one was really hard. Yeah. and the scene where she is saying, I'm here and nobody is hearing me. I'm shouting and nobody can hear me, nobody's listening. I think that for her character, that's that basically like the format for the rest of her life, the poor thing. And we see it, we see it in hundred percent the previous episode where she is screaming and she is,
01:11:30
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She's doing all the, going to therapy. She's trying to talk to her siblings. I think she was misguided in, in, in, when she was trying to confront people that, you know, she had been through incredible trauma, just even like the, like the loss of her husband.
01:11:48
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she really should not have been alone very much after that even. But she was people just kind of left her alone to, to deal with things. And then you add on everything that she went through as a child and the continued trauma of her sleep paralysis and hallucinations and hauntings. So this This episode also like hit me hard because I felt like Steve as well. i yeah Maybe not the best towards my siblings. you know and i I could be better. I could reach out more. I could talk to them more.
01:12:38
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you know, you know, I maybe sometimes I get annoyed that they don't reach out to me, you know, they don't contact me, but it works both ways. And what's happening? Right. Absolutely right. So this, this episode and all in all just wrecked me and
01:13:00
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made me think that I didn't really want to feel. We know we have to feel our feelings. Yeah, yeah, we do.
01:13:19
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But I'm glad. I'm glad we're able to I'm able to feel these feelings. I'm glad I'm able to experience it.
01:13:31
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Yeah, as hard as it might be. I don't ever want to close myself off like that anymore. Because it's easier. It's not healthy, but it's easier. But I was listening to a podcast this morning and it was saying there's sadness and you have to endure it. You have to be in your feelings. You have to to feel the negative feelings. And they pass just like Liv said, that the storms pass, but you have to be in them and it's okay to sit in your feelings.
Reflecting on Isolation and Emotional Impact
01:14:12
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And it's good for you. It's good for you to endure. It's good for you to feel them.
01:14:18
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Cause fighting it is, uh, you know, you're going to go through the hard times regardless. So the difference is always going to be your mental state.
01:14:32
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your perspective and you have control over that, you know, you have control over how you choose to see things.
01:14:45
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Thank you. Thank you for that and letting me cry. Of course. of course getting all my tears all over my microphone not really because i have a protector
01:15:09
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about wraps it up for this week's episode. Do we want Corey's comments or do we want to say before I reveal and the next one, I think we need to go into Corey's comments and you have two episodes to pick up. I do. I do. Okay. Let's end this on a positive note. So I only have one, I only have one good comment for each episode. He had a lot of things to say, but as far as, you know, Corey's comments worthy. So in episode five, uh, I think we got to the scene where, um, Nell was having a sleep paralysis episode and this is right before her husband died. And she
01:15:51
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sees, I can't remember if he collapses and then she sees her or the other way around, but in that moment where you can tell that the haunting is going to happen again, Cory says, you would think as a ghost you would get bored of haunting people.
01:16:09
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because he didn't know who she was. He guessed it. As soon as like she pulled up to the house, he guessed. He's like, oh, she's the betneck lady. I didn't say anything because but he you know he'll ask me questions and I'm like, do you want me to tell you or do you want to watch? He's like, I wanna watch. But as soon as she pulled up to the house, he's like, oh, she's the bent neck lady, got it. So anyway, but before he knew that that spoiler, he was like, you'd think after this many years, that's a ghost, you'd get sick of just haunting people.
01:16:47
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That's funny. And then we had talked about, because I asked him the same kind of question I asked you last time about the house. is The house is a character in the show. um you know I was asking him, do you think the house, is it good? Is it bad? What is it? And I'll tell you what he said, but just that was on his mind as we were watching this episode. episode We just barely watched episode five together last night and then or on Saturday night. And then last night, Sunday night is when we watched episode six. But anyway, it was a scene at the funeral home before everybody else got there and the doorbell rings. He said, is it the house?
01:17:33
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and The house is just ringing the doorbell. The house is the house here with us right now.
01:17:47
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But his answer to my question about the house being good or bad, I can't remember everything he said, but he was really insightful with it. And he brought up things that I hadn't thought about before, that the house is maybe like thinks it's doing a good thing. Because it obviously did you know took their mother. That's what we're assuming until we get the the full details later on in the series. And now we know it took their sister. So is the is the house good? Is it bad? And he said, I think that it thinks it's doing a good thing. That it's relieving them of some suffering. That it's maybe also kind of a collector.
01:18:28
Speaker
So that's just something to think about as we get closer to the end. And yeah. Knowing what we know. Knowing what we know. That's an interesting point. It's a very interesting take. So we'll revisit that the more the the closer we get towards the end of the show. Yeah. Well, thank you for Corey's comments. Anytime. to end it on a little bit of a lighter note. Next episode is episode seven. We're four episodes away from the end.
01:19:03
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And next week we will be going over eulogy is the episode title. Um, that one's an hour long. This one was 56 minutes long. So it felt well, episode five was like an hour, 10. Yeah. So balancing out. Yeah. Oh But next week ah is eulogy should be gearing up for another emotional episode. I think.
01:19:31
Speaker
i I think remembering back to when I watched it because this is my like third or fourth rewatch on I think the second or third rewatch. I. I think maybe this one or the last episode was the most emotional. So, yeah, I'll see if I remember next episode or not, but this one was a heavy hitter, for sure. Yep. Thank you all for enduring with us and getting through it, even though it probably wasn't the easiest. But leave a comment if you have any anything to talk about, if you have anything you want to say, any little details you might have noticed, anything at all. You have anything to add, Laura?
01:20:24
Speaker
Um, nope, thank you. Well, yes, thank you to any of all seven of you that have stuck with us this far. Appreciate you. Tell your friends, ah especially the Australian. I'm sorry. I love you.
01:20:47
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Um, uh, we actually just launched our episode one live. Um,
01:20:56
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as of this recording we we launched episode one all the way back of episode one of midnight club that got published last week yeah yeah it was it was fun and i was very critical of myself because
01:21:19
Speaker
I was just, you know, I'm overwhelmed learning how to do all these, you know, learning how to how to record, how to how to speak on a podcast. I hope I've made some improvements. But it was my perspective is you were saying a lot of very brilliant and insightful things. And I was like, yeah. And then I would say something very stupid. So. you know i feel the same the same way i feel like i have nothing important or intellectual but i'm like man noah just made like this very intelligent good point and then i'm like yeah i like turtles was the vibe that i felt
01:21:58
Speaker
i need it i I hope I've been doing a better job at listening and responding to what you're saying. so I feel like you always have. Hopefully I've gotten better. It's it's hard to go yeah into this objectively though. so Very true. so Find us at Fans of Flanagan on Instagram and that's all. Thank you. Thank you very much. See you next week everyone. Bye.
01:22:44
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