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FROM season 3
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We return with a few news items and our review of season 3 of MGM's From and some answers from the internet
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Introduction and Overview
00:00:19
Kevin Dougherty
There's your, there's your job for you since you were in the middle of breaking.
00:00:21
Keck
You did my cha?
00:00:23
Kevin Dougherty
I did your job.
00:00:24
Keck
Wait, did you like do it like, oh, I'm gonna be a smart ass and like preemptively strike with a cha of my own to come that is cha?
00:00:32
Kevin Dougherty
I was thinking about it. Anyway, ah but welcome to the front central. I'm doc back here again, as always with Keck. And, um, yeah, we're going to talk about from season three. Finally.
Debating 'The Substance' as a Comedy
00:00:45
Kevin Dougherty
Uh, I did have a couple, uh,
00:00:47
Kevin Dougherty
news items first to to piggyback off our last cast ah the substance earned five gold and gold nominations including best picture uh so ah of course it's under best motion picture for musical comedy which uh i mean i guess it's a very dark comedy
00:01:03
Keck
uh an extremely dark comment i i don't really see i can't say i will ah well you know what i did laugh a couple times at dennis quaid's performance so but like
00:01:04
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:01:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, yes, that's great in the in the very end of that movie. I was I was cracking up as well Yeah Maybe the uh, maybe the part where that uh, dude's banging on her door
00:01:23
Keck
it yeah ah but like It was not like really something that I think was meant to get many laughs. So yeah, I didn't see any comical aspect. I wouldn't even consider that to be a dark comedy. It wasn't funny.
00:01:43
Kevin Dougherty
and like And then she answers and he's like, oh, oh, oh you're real hot. Let me like be a real weirdo.
00:01:49
Keck
Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, like, there's funny jokes that Liam Neeson makes in Schindler's List, but I wouldn't call it a comedy.
00:01:49
Kevin Dougherty
I got a big hammer.
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Kevin Dougherty
ah
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Keck
You know, I mean,
00:02:02
Kevin Dougherty
that
New Award Categories for Films
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Keck
I'm gonna watch it for Christmas, obviously, but, uh, you know, I didn't think that there was anything funny in the subs.
00:02:10
Kevin Dougherty
you
00:02:11
Keck
I mean, I might have giggled, but, like, you know, I mean, you can giggle in a lot of movies. Like, I was giggling watching Aliens the other day. How many times Newt says, Ripley!
00:02:24
Keck
And how many times Ripley goes, Newt! Do you know what I mean? me like You know, I can laugh at that, but like, yeah, it doesn't make it a comedy.
00:02:32
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:02:33
Keck
The substance is not a comedy. That's mislabeled.
00:02:35
Kevin Dougherty
the It also got nominated for Best Performance ah for an Actress, Best Supporting Performance for an Actress, so Best Screenplay, and best director and yeah and uh best most of the picture for the nominations uh i don't even remember when the golden globes are it's the next year sometime but it's nice said that like uh they've actually nominated some more i mean they really need to add more uh you know categories to that so it doesn't get placed in musical or comedy because that doesn't make it
00:03:04
Keck
yeah i i agree and i mean i i wouldn't even really i mean i guess it's more of a musical than it is a comedy but like generally a musical is whatever the hell that new joker movie is supposed to be um that's
00:03:14
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:03:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, or the wicked.
Horror Films in Award Shows
00:03:25
Keck
yeah or like chicago or you know like a musical is generally a fucking musical and
00:03:25
Kevin Dougherty
That's the music. Yeah, yeah.
00:03:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, a Rocky Horror Picture Show.
00:03:35
Keck
Yeah, exactly. um yeah I was just I was about to say suddenly see more was standing.
00:03:37
Kevin Dougherty
Little Shop of Horrors. Yeah.
00:03:44
Keck
Anyway, ah but yeah, that um they need more categories. But I'm glad to see that um there was a horror film that got like this much acclaim.
00:03:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:03:56
Keck
And, you
Upcoming Horror Film Announcements
00:03:57
Keck
know, that it just goes to show like if you make quality products, you know, if you build it, he will come, they will come, and I'd like to just see more quality content.
00:04:12
Keck
I'd like to see horror, like, emerge more just as you would in the award categories, you know what I mean? Not that I really give a fuck about awards, but the people that, like, you know, make these films, they give a shit.
00:04:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:04:27
Keck
At least, I think they do. So, you know, but
00:04:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:04:31
Kevin Dougherty
It definitely helps further your career if you get nominated and win something.
00:04:35
Keck
yeah
00:04:36
Kevin Dougherty
So yeah. um But in addition to the substance, ah not the five nominations, Alien Romulus also got nominated for cinematic and box office achievement category.
00:04:50
Kevin Dougherty
I didn't even know that was a category.
00:04:50
Keck
Yeah
The Mummy Franchise and Universal Monsters
00:04:52
Keck
Huh Well, you know real quick just while we're doing the news uh
00:04:58
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, it's January 5th, 2025 is Golden Globes. So by the time we'll talk about it, I guess.
00:05:03
Keck
I'm just... what was the award called?
00:05:08
Kevin Dougherty
The Golden Globes.
00:05:10
Keck
No, for Alien Romulus, what did they get nominated for or what did they win?
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Kevin Dougherty
Cinematic and box office achievement category, which is officially described by the Golden Globes as an award to recognize the year's most acclaimed, highest earning and or most viewed films have garnered extensive global ah audience support and obtained cinematic excellence as determined by Golden Globe voters.
00:05:31
Keck
Okay. Okay, i got you get you can stop explaining. i have the no I have the box office numbers here.
00:05:39
Kevin Dougherty
real i didn't know what it was
00:05:43
Keck
For Alien Romulus, their budget is an estimated 80 million. um And in just the US and Canada, it grossed over 105 million.
00:05:57
Keck
And then gross worldwide is over 350 million.
00:06:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's all I see as well.
00:06:03
Keck
So it's safe to say we're going to see more alien movies because that is quite the return on your investment.
00:06:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yes. It says this particular category was only created last year
Critique of 'From' Season 3
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Kevin Dougherty
with Barbie becoming the first winner.
00:06:18
Kevin Dougherty
So that's why I've never really heard of it before.
00:06:18
Keck
ah So it was like an award they put in to like appease Greta Gerwig.
00:06:24
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know. They were just like, wow, we didn't expect this movie to make so much money. Let's give it it but an award if we don't have anything else to give it. I'm pretty sure the movie won other awards as well.
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Keck
the
00:06:35
Kevin Dougherty
Like I don't I don't even know. I don't pay that much attention to Golden Gloves. But anyway, moving on. ah The there's new Evil Dead movie coming, that which you've 2026, which finally has a title, ah Evil Dead Burn.
00:06:51
Kevin Dougherty
ah It's one of two brand new Evil Dead movies in the works. I'm not sure what the other one was supposed to be a titled yet, but ah speaking of Evil Dead movies, the last, you know, Evil Dead Rise, Lee Cronin, was the director. He's signed on officially for Blumhouse to do a new take on The Mummy.
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Keck
I haven't heard of, um, yeah, I guess I haven't really heard of, uh, mummies in a really long time.
00:07:28
Keck
Uh, you mean like the action adventure comedy, the mummy, like that had that starred like Brendan Fraser, like in that type of sense, like an adventure movie, or is it going to be like a horror movie where you have like a mummy?
00:07:28
Kevin Dougherty
The last one was that Tom Cruise.
00:07:39
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:07:41
Kevin Dougherty
No.
00:07:45
Keck
come in that people yeah think I might miss that
00:07:47
Kevin Dougherty
It's going to be more like the you know old classic universal mummy-like movie. I mean, the last one was that terrible Tom Cruise one where they try to set up like, you know, the, the dark universe or whatever.
00:08:01
Kevin Dougherty
And it had like, um, Russell Crowe is like, had like Russell Crowe is like Mr. Hyde.
00:08:07
Keck
I miss that entirely.
00:08:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:10
Keck
I don't i don't say it.
00:08:10
Kevin Dougherty
You're not missing anything.
00:08:12
Keck
i No, I mean, I just don't see like there being an interest in mummies.
00:08:19
Kevin Dougherty
Well, uh, they're doing one. So I because I think Blumhouse is like had kind of taking control of Universal's whole like, ah you know, um universal monsters things we got they did ah The Invisible Man, we have a the Wolfman coming out in what January next year, which looks pretty good.
00:08:37
Keck
Yeah.
00:08:38
Kevin Dougherty
And then they have ah the mommy.
00:08:39
Keck
and Actually, it actually did look pretty.
00:08:39
Kevin Dougherty
coming up
00:08:41
Keck
I mean, the last Wolfman movie, I guess it was actually called Wolf, the thing with Jack Nicholson and Michelle Pfeiffer, where like, you know, he's like running like, and yeah, I mean, that that was something.
00:08:54
Keck
I mean, it was entertaining, I thought.
00:08:56
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:08:56
Keck
but that's probably uh other things i mean the wolfman from monster squad and um my favorite take uh recently was i can't remember the actor's name but uh he played the wolf in uh penny dreadful um a famous actor he was in the new m night shamulon movie uh trap i don't know if we're gonna talk about that at some point but um
00:09:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Oh.
00:09:22
Kevin Dougherty
Not
00:09:24
Keck
yeah he uh was the wolf yeah he i thought i thought that i thought he was great in uh penny dreadful he was like one of my favorite characters um but yeah i did actually see that trailer for the wolfman and that's good um i just i don't know i guess i'm just not into mummies and so i mean i don't see it but hey it's unique i mean i can't say i've um seen any movie where a mummy was anything in the last
00:09:25
Kevin Dougherty
Josh Barnett. Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:09:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. see. Yes.
00:09:55
Keck
I don't know, probably for
Fan Theories and Speculations on 'From'
00:09:56
Keck
me, like 20 years, like the last, let me, maybe I suppose, run in Frasier.
00:09:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, we're not overload it with them but like we have Yeah, we're not overload it with uh mummy content like uh vampires and uh zombies and stuff.
00:10:04
Keck
Yeah, I mean, ah exactly.
00:10:07
Kevin Dougherty
So yeah And it's and it's the guy who did a really good uh evil dead movie and in my opinion So yeah, i'm looking forward to it Uh, I mean that's all I got for uh news wise.
00:10:08
Keck
Yeah. So I mean, ah we'll say.
00:10:15
Keck
Yeah.
00:10:21
Kevin Dougherty
I think you said you had uh something before we started
00:10:23
Keck
Oh yeah, well, we're gonna just do our normal Crystal Lake news. I had gotten um on my phone, I get like, you know, news feed shit um from Google, and I had looked at it, um I think I told you maybe a week ago around that.
00:10:43
Keck
um I had gotten like a pop-up for a whole bunch of stuff and I was just like kind of scrolling through. I think I was ah in a doctor's office and I was just kind of scrolling through the news and I had seen something about Crystal Lake and it said that a source from A24 tells us that it has been postponed on until 2026 at the earliest.
00:11:10
Keck
I tried to find that article after telling you because I wanted to source it for this cast. I could not find that article again and I like really searched. So I don't know if it was clickbait but like I think it was like Screen Rant or Tech Radar or like one of those sites that does like both movies and video games that I'm subscribed to.
00:11:37
Keck
so I think it was a decent site but I could not find it so I'm just calling it a wild rumor and as far as I'm concerned uh in this cast the news for crystal lake is that there really is just no news so there we go
00:11:55
Kevin Dougherty
Okay well uh speaking of things that uh move slowly uh at night hunting people down uh let's talk about prom yeah yeah yeah that's why i was uh i had been thinking about that one where i was like oh i got a good segue kex talks about fucking that christmas lake
00:12:07
Keck
it's a good segway yeah you found that yep yeah yeah i mean yeah well i mean yeah crystal lake is definitely something uh that is moving sluggishly and uh that's
00:12:29
Kevin Dougherty
I was talking about how Jason moves slowly in hunts.
00:12:32
Keck
Oh, yeah. Well, um and also the production of it is also moving very slowly.
00:12:33
Kevin Dougherty
um yeah yeah
00:12:38
Keck
Well, hey, well, you know, Jason, it's interesting because in.
00:12:41
Kevin Dougherty
Answering questions have been moving slowly from
00:12:44
Keck
In in ah you know a lot of people talk about Jason's ability to teleport and stuff like that, but ah ah another thing about it was that Jason didn't run.
00:12:55
Keck
Well, he stopped running after Friday the 13th for the final chapter. That's when he stopped running. He used to run back in the day.
00:13:07
Kevin Dougherty
yeah well
00:13:08
Keck
But he it's interesting because it relates to from. uh... i think it was the last season and from someone says something do you know this that uh... you know the smiley guys they always walk they never run because they know they don't need to in the end you know and that's sort of like Jason's scene he doesn't run because he doesn't need to run whether he teleports or he just prefers walking at a steadfast pace you know that's yeah he know he does know i mean it is his camp it it is his wood it is his playground
00:13:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, yeah.
00:13:41
Kevin Dougherty
He knows the shortcuts. He knows the words. Yeah.
00:13:49
Keck
so um but yeah uh from season three uh initial i mean like my initial reaction was I enjoyed it because as we've already done a cast on the first two seasons are from I like the story um especially how original it was because when I first saw it I was like looking to find out what it was based on and when I found that it was like an original idea all original writing creation I was just like wow that's really you know that's really cool but this season
00:14:30
Keck
oh I don't know. I feel like ah it was a 10 episode season, correct? Yes, it was 10 episodes.
00:14:37
Kevin Dougherty
for the panel
00:14:40
Keck
I felt that the entire season could have been summed up in just three or four. I don't even think it would have taken five episodes. In fact, I think five episodes would have even been a stretch. i It just, this really went by sluggish for me. And the new concepts that they, well, the very few new things that they integrated into this season, I thought was kinda I don't want to say pointless, but like a little bit stupid um to some extent, like the whole thing with the baby. ah
00:15:22
Keck
I could have done without that storyline. And then, um you know, another thing that really irked me, and usually I like to talk about what I like about something first, but this had so many more dislikes than likes for me. ah Victor's character. His father.
00:15:41
Keck
was one of the most pointless fucking, just waste of space characters. i've And I'm not talking about the acting like, hey, that's fun. I just did not see, I mean, maybe in season four, he's going to really shine and have like great relevance. But in this season, that guy was just a fucking placeholder that took up space.
00:16:06
Keck
I saw no furthering of his character. I didn't really see any like genuine emotion too. That guy was like that shocked even by what happened to his son.
00:16:18
Keck
and um It also relates to um what I can't think of her name in the show, but the one that like you know got pushed through the lighthouse and like temporarily escaped.
00:16:18
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:16:33
Keck
I really thought that when she made it back to the world, they had an opportunity to do a lot more creative writing there with what her character would have done.
00:16:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, that's a Tabitha, I believe, right?
00:16:50
Keck
I thought that they had an opportunity to do a lot more creative writing and ah add a lot more content into what she was going through and what she could or would have done and I thought that by basically just going and finding Victor's father It was just lazy writing. um I don't know like what the deal was there. I really thought that they could have made that a lot more suspenseful. What I did like was the integration of how she got back.
00:17:26
Keck
to wherever the fuck it is that they are. I did like the whole hospital sequence and stuff like that with the cop.
00:17:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:17:34
Keck
I thought that was cool. But when she was out, I didn't like that. Victor's father was just a fucking dead end character. The whole thing with the baby and him torturing dude.
00:17:48
Keck
And then the baby turning back into that smiley guy that they had killed off in the other episode. by doing the blood ritual. I don't know man, this season was just flat to me.
00:18:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:18:06
Keck
But I've talked enough. whether What's your opinion? I mean, do you agree, disagree?
00:18:10
Kevin Dougherty
I get it. I mean, yeah, it's it's not that it's it has this
Expectations for 'From' Season 4
00:18:14
Kevin Dougherty
is not definitely the the best season, but I mean, i they did finally answer at least somewhat of some questions.
00:18:22
Kevin Dougherty
um I'll get into it, but the I mean, it is renewed for fourth and final season, which isn't ah unfortunately going to come out to 2026, but um
00:18:22
Keck
For example,
00:18:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, like she does like she she goes but she gets ah she gets out the last season and she's only gone for like what maybe two or three episodes and then she gets sucked back in.
00:18:45
Keck
I think it's only two episodes, yeah.
00:18:46
Kevin Dougherty
alright Yeah, I can't remember if it was two or three if she was I was like, damn, they really like but i wanted to get her back in quickly. But i like, the more I've been thinking about some of the aspects of the theories and and some of the things that happen, I believe like the um whatever the creatures are that are like getting people here they've definitely selected certain people to do certain things and then there is just collateral damage of the other people along the way like they were purposely were trying to get Tabitha back in because she had escaped so they need they want her back because it's like there's a lot of like reincarnation stuff in this um which i'll get into and uh that like so like the the her
00:19:16
Keck
Yeah.
00:19:32
Kevin Dougherty
um Victor's dad gets sucked into it and the ambulance people kind of get sucked into it like somebody at like the kid um What's his name ah that was on the bus the black kid who like kidnaps um The girl that's pregnant and stuff like he was definitely purposely brought into there as well um so like yeah there's like certain character and then everyone else is just used to like you know um these people are aren't just like trying to murder everyone in the town they also want you to like lose all hope and that's what like they want with void i really loved the uh the shit they've been doing to void i mean poor boy fucking void man like that dude is gonna need so much therapy if he ever makes it out alive dude
00:20:16
Keck
Yeah, he shouldn't have talked about how that place would not break him because they're pretty much always listening.
00:20:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:20:25
Keck
um and um yeah I mean, they can basically read your thoughts. um I think that's, yeah, they demonstrate, although they haven't really like elaborate it much on that or, you know, really anything else.
00:20:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:20:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they can definitely like speak to certain characters that hear voices and then other characters see like physical form.
00:20:46
Keck
Hallucinations. Yeah, you really don't know what's real and what's not.
00:20:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:20:51
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:20:51
Keck
ah I also motherfuck dude, like I know Victor's character is necessary and I've already gone on his dad's character, which like I said is pointless.
00:21:05
Keck
But um in this season, that whole thing where
Industry Insights and Actor Mentions
00:21:11
Keck
he's talking to the fucking ventriloquist dummy and stuff like that,
00:21:17
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, what are you trying to remember?
00:21:19
Keck
yeah it's like a big part of it and I mean the other guy um you know the to the tech guy with the beard who's like you know all smart he was seeing that dummy I mean yeah a lot they're sharing like in this one a lot more people are hallucinating like very loosely like they're seeing um like the bartender for example
00:21:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:21:28
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:21:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:44
Keck
He's died, I believe, season two, episode one, when the house collapse. He gets ripped by one of the things. And he's basically back, and he's cleaning glasses, and, you know, the dude is constantly seeing him. It seems like everybody's having, like, unique hallucinations, like, tailored to their own situation.
00:22:10
Keck
So ah yeah, I mean, this season definitely gave me a lot more questions than it did really answers, at least for me. And um the final 60 seconds where that Robert England type character, who I guess is the same guy who was talking to Jim,
00:22:37
Kevin Dougherty
ah over the phone where he told him not hey hey your wife digging you shouldn't be doing that yeah um read this yeah yeah spoiler spoiler for season three by the way uh you should have watched it by now but uh
00:22:38
Keck
um um yeah and he was like he just appeared like broad daylight and like blew Jim's brains out or ripped his head off or did something he killed Jim immediately like in front of his door
00:22:57
Keck
yeah Yeah, you really should have watched it
Comparisons with Other Media
00:23:00
Keck
by now. um You know, this is definitely not a spoiler free conversation that we have. um But yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think of it.
00:23:13
Keck
Well, you had um some examples you wanted to give. So why don't you go into that.
00:23:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, i've so I have some answers that I found ah um on the internets.
00:23:23
Keck
Are these rulers or are these like things that like the creators have like confirmed like?
00:23:28
Kevin Dougherty
These are people that found through, you know um you know, digging through the different things in the background, like the numbers on the wall and the and the way characters
00:23:38
Keck
Oh, okay.
00:23:39
Kevin Dougherty
things and stuff like that and like one of the numbers was the year 1506 and yes some of these might still technically be theories so some of them might be confirmed but um the year 1506 is when the residents decide to make an and a deal with an unknown entity that would grant them eternal life in exchange for sacrifice in their children the residents that are well they could still be the residents that are you know the ones now haunting
00:23:59
Keck
What residents?
00:24:09
Kevin Dougherty
the uh you know the smiley people that walk and try to murder everyone you know and you want uh eternal life or whatever you want to make a deal you don't know what that deal is going to end up actually being yeah
00:24:12
Keck
Yeah.
00:24:20
Keck
Oh yeah, because when they dissect it, the one guy who gets like reborn from the fucking baby. um And by the way, that baby that she shit out looked a lot like the thing that like ah ripped out of Demi Moore's back that emerged as Margaret Whaley.
00:24:41
Keck
like it kind of like when she shit that thing out um i was thinking that i was just like oh dude if margaret qualey emerges from here then this shit has taken on a whole new thing and um no it was that smiley asshole and he was like fully clothed did you notice that he's fully like in that fucking sweater vest he wears he was born with full clothing
00:24:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I was thinking the.
00:25:10
Kevin Dougherty
I was thinking that scene from men when he thought that that
00:25:11
Keck
yes
00:25:14
Kevin Dougherty
Dude's just giving birth from the outfit over there.
00:25:14
Keck
I I've tried to array I'm still pissed at you about that like I would have never ever done that to you man that was so That was so fucked up,
00:25:17
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, I like that movie.
Thematic Analysis and Plot Debates
00:25:25
Keck
dude.
00:25:25
Keck
I do not like seeing things coming out ah like I don't like seeing large I don't yeah, I don't yeah, I don't like that but uh yeah birth is just gross for me I don't like birth at all
00:25:25
Kevin Dougherty
what
00:25:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:25:37
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:25:40
Keck
um you know and to have a fully grown man come out of another vagina and then show it in graphic detail and then men just constantly fully grown men just coming out of vaginas well at least from didn't do that to us um ah who who in men
00:25:59
Kevin Dougherty
Well, man, it wasn't it wasn't he coming out of the mouth wasn't constantly coming out of the mouth and regrowing and regrowing out of the mouth.
00:26:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:11
Keck
I don't know. I don't want to think about men.
00:26:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:14
Keck
Um, Senator back to from though, I'm quite certain that he emerged fully dressed.
00:26:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that was definitely the same.
00:26:24
Keck
I mean, I could, I could check again, but I think he was actually wearing like the sweater vest to check. like so that's what she had growing inside her like not only was there like tissue because when they dissect them they said that like the remains were like um fossilized inside remember she said you know this is something that you would find if you like uh you know
00:26:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:50
Keck
Dog up a caveman or something like that that was preserved in ice for a really long time like the insides were like basically fossilized except for I believe it was the gallbladder was full of like fluid it was full of bile and they take like a sample of the bile
00:27:07
Kevin Dougherty
okay yeah
00:27:10
Keck
So, I mean, I don't know how that ah is going to translate into something, but um all I can say in Season 4, for me, with this show, they better have some answers.
00:27:23
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I got more answers. A couple rejected the deal because they had a daughter and wanted to save the children. However, they failed leaving the curse of the children's souls bound to the roots of the tree.
00:27:37
Kevin Dougherty
When they die, they are reborn until the children's souls are freed, but they failed in all their attempts. So each
00:27:43
Keck
Wait, where the fuck did you get this from?
00:27:45
Kevin Dougherty
So each cycle of the you know all the dates and the numbers are each of the recycles repeating of each attempt that they've tried, and then the recycles restart it.
00:27:50
Keck
Yeah.
00:27:56
Keck
I'm picking up on that, but where is like your source material for this?
00:28:01
Kevin Dougherty
it' The internet probably
00:28:02
Keck
like Is this like just rumors like in the recesses of Reddit and stuff like that?
00:28:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, pretty pretty much people that like you know dissect movies like deeply like that, they've ah put together lists of movies.
00:28:08
Keck
Or, I mean, yeah.
00:28:14
Kevin Dougherty
And nobody's come across and been like, no, that's not true or anything like that. No.
00:28:18
Keck
I'm trying to figure out like how did they know that 1509 was that stuff for like sequentially 1506 is like the earliest number they find okay and how did these people deduce that in 1506 the town's people made some kind of deal with a spiritual entity
00:28:24
Kevin Dougherty
15, because that's the first number on the written down only ah on the K. Yeah. Yes.
00:28:37
Kevin Dougherty
so
00:28:49
Keck
How did they deduce that is what I'm asking.
00:28:52
Kevin Dougherty
Through the context ah the context of the show, I don't i don't know. they they i Yeah, yeah.
00:28:56
Keck
But you understand why I'm asking these questions, right?
00:28:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:29:00
Keck
Like, because...
00:29:01
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, I understand why you would answer why you would
Character Motivations and Future Directions
00:29:03
Kevin Dougherty
ask where they got this for all of these, because like obviously they they went through and watched these and analyzed shit way more than we did.
00:29:05
Keck
Yeah.
00:29:10
Keck
Yeah.
00:29:11
Kevin Dougherty
i don't I don't take that many of extensive notes when I'm watching something for the first time. It's usually not until the second time that I start like going through and try to pick stuff out and try to understand things.
00:29:20
Keck
I wouldn't be able. I don't know. in And in 1506, is that something that like happened? like I guess I don't understand where they would have gotten that if that was like something that happened like historically in reality in like some town somewhere?
00:29:43
Keck
or
00:29:43
Kevin Dougherty
I think it's just in the context of the show.
00:29:45
Keck
in the show, I was assuming because ah America wasn't really America in 1506.
00:29:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:29:52
Keck
So, so um
00:29:53
Kevin Dougherty
No, it was like watch shortly after like Columbus, like the.
00:29:59
Keck
yeah, I mean, these are the times of like the early explorers. So, I mean, um there wasn't much going on there.
00:30:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:07
Keck
It would have been mostly native lands, like,
00:30:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, in the cave drawings, you see like people pictures of people on boats, and there's the lighthouse as well. So that that means it could have been like near a shore or something like that.
00:30:19
Keck
yeah yeah
00:30:23
Kevin Dougherty
We still don't understand like if it's if like what the drunk guy had said if they were in a pocket universe or where they are. at all but I mean it could and there were there were some things that were mentioned about how like the there there's the hotel sign or the pool but there was like no motel or whatever like that and then or like the closest thing that could be a hotel is the colony house so it seems like some of these items are kind of like picked and chews from different small towns or something like that kind of thrown randomly in this area so
00:30:55
Keck
Well, one thing I should credit that I did like about this season, because I've been shitting on it a lot and mostly talking about what I didn't like, but um how Tabitha gets that memory from when she was young, as well as I just want to try to get ah Jade.
00:31:15
Keck
He's the smart guy that plays like the kind of arrogant pompous asshole ah in the show.
00:31:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, that's that's what the initial couple was, was Tabitha and Jade. And they're the two that have been ah keeping reborn. The dates that appear in her dream represent the death of the couple and their failure to achieve the mission, the last which was 1978, in which Miranda and Christopher died to be reborn as Tabitha and
Concluding Thoughts on 'From' Season 3
00:31:41
Kevin Dougherty
Jade.
00:31:43
Kevin Dougherty
So she's seeing past memories.
00:31:45
Keck
Yeah, well, i don't yeah I don't know if I totally comprehend that, but what I did
00:31:45
Kevin Dougherty
It's not her necessarily as a child.
00:31:50
Kevin Dougherty
ah and Because that's why she she said she was making the bracelet, that's where the bra and she seemed to it seemed to belong to the first woman, and she keeps making those bracelets every time she's reborn unconsciously. That's why should when she found that bracelet, she was like, wait, how does this person have the same bracelet, even though this was made years before?
00:32:11
Keck
totally lost there but that's irrelevant what I did like was that um I think that they were breaking it down that they're gonna find that each person that is there and as he said some are chosen some are collateral I think all those that are chosen are going to start finding out that they've had similar instances at some point in their life when they had like a memory that was somewhat traumatic that or maybe even not traumatic but a memory of this place before they ever got there at some point in their life just like Jade is having ah just like Tabitha is having and ah
00:32:58
Keck
Jim, I believe is going to be back for season four. That's I don't believe he was dead.
00:33:02
Kevin Dougherty
as I think you might come back as like ah and like maybe one of the people, like the bartender, that talk to people in hallucinations.
00:33:10
Keck
Yeah, maybe maybe that.
00:33:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, Yeah.
00:33:11
Keck
But like, I mean, the thing is, is like you don't even know, like, if people are actually really dying.
00:33:19
Kevin Dougherty
ah sure yeah
00:33:19
Keck
You know what I mean? like They're not even sure of that. i mean there's just They've done a great job in not really explaining shit. And given that this is, like I said, you know and it's one of the things that really impressed me about the show is that it's all like completely original writing.
00:33:39
Keck
that gives the creators a ton of liberty because they're the one that came up with this story so they can take it in any direction they want to and say fuck you like this is our story you know what I mean so yeah to that extent like they have a lot of like latitude as to where they want to go with all this stuff
00:33:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:33:59
Keck
I was just wondering because like I said, you know season three was sluggish It seemed like at the end of season two they had some really good ideas But they painted themselves into corners and I felt like in season three um Like I said, there was a bit of a lack of creativity for whatever reason and You know, but hey I felt like season three was kind of like just like a filler episode into the final, I guess, you know, the numbers and everything like this is what they decided to put together.
00:34:35
Keck
Although I really think I mean, am I wrong?
00:34:36
Kevin Dougherty
Well, the.
00:34:38
Keck
Do you believe that this ah season should have been 10 episodes deep? I mean, ah Victor, his father, you agree with the characters?
00:34:47
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I mean, I definitely think they probably could have. There's definitely still a filler in there, but um the tree numbers or the musical
00:34:52
Keck
that um
Audience Expectations and Series Loyalty
00:34:56
Kevin Dougherty
notes that ah for a tune of the of the song for the first couple used to sing to the children, the children repeat the word Akui, which means remember.
00:35:05
Kevin Dougherty
Because when the couple dies and is reborn, they forget their past memories and need help to remember. um Smiley, like we said, is one of the natives who sacrificed children.
00:35:15
Kevin Dougherty
So to fulfill the deal of so ah um immortality exchange for sacrificed children, he must be reborn and continue living. The yellow man ah who we talked about was angry with Jim because he played a key role in helping Tabitha decipher musical notes and helped her dig the hole.
00:35:30
Keck
Who's the yellow man?
00:35:32
Kevin Dougherty
The guy with the yellow jacket who murdered Jim. that came out during the day. I think he's like, he's the lead guy.
00:35:36
Keck
the walking like He came out real Robert Englund like...
00:35:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I think he's the lead guy. I don't think he's one of the, I think he is like the entity, like the main, I think he's the one that they've, oh I don't, cause I don't think, but I don't think we're going to start seeing those people come out at night um during the day.
00:35:46
Keck
a
00:35:54
Kevin Dougherty
I think it's just him. um
00:35:58
Keck
so you're saying he was a day walker
00:35:58
Kevin Dougherty
George.
00:36:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:36:03
Keck
but
00:36:04
Kevin Dougherty
Julie, the daughter, ah is the one that can walk between stories, like meaning she can move through the different times. It seems her goal is to change their fate. and e At one point, Ethan pointed out, stories cannot be changed after they are told.
00:36:19
Kevin Dougherty
And the opening song reinforces this with, okay, sera, sera, whatever will be, will be. It confates a sense of acceptance and resignation.
00:36:26
Keck
So you're saying he was a day walker?
00:36:28
Kevin Dougherty
So like you saw her when she like walked into the ruins, she was transported to the thing and she, ah but she was the one that put the rope down for last season, but this didn't happen.
00:36:38
Keck
Yeah.
00:36:40
Kevin Dougherty
Like she didn't go until there till after he was back and stuff. So, and then ah that ah her running past Jim and telling her to run. That was a, that's going to be of a future Julie as well.
00:36:52
Keck
Yeah, no, I sort of picked up on that.
00:36:52
Kevin Dougherty
Cause she was here.
00:36:55
Keck
like I got the concept of like ah sort of the whole dark idea where the past is the future and the future can be the past.
00:37:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:05
Keck
There's no real end point. like you know They're in a place where the rules just aren't really the rules. and you know um In this season they ah were met with a um ah unique survival situation that they had said that they never encountered before in the last two seasons, which was an epic food shortage.
00:37:35
Keck
um And they had told us in season one that they don't even know where the animals come from. And they also said that the ground there was um extremely fertile. That crops grew very easily.
00:37:50
Keck
um and then they run out of food and you know people are going buckwild about to like start eating the goats and the cats well I don't know if there was a cat or whatever but you know people are you know about to go buckwild because rations are getting low and then they just find like um basically like uh like what was it like a cabbage garden or something like that there was like cabbage and like
00:38:14
Kevin Dougherty
of that. Yeah, like the little huts that they were hiding in and there was something walking past them that they didn't know what it was.
00:38:20
Keck
But they've... Yeah, well I'm talking about the food that they found.
00:38:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah yeah then they found all that food there. Yeah, yeah.
00:38:25
Keck
Yeah, it seems like...
00:38:26
Kevin Dougherty
They just maybe haven't ventured out that far before without, you know, because they didn't have protection before and maybe didn't look that far. so
00:38:33
Keck
well that's what i was gonna bob get into it seems like a every point when they're at their precipice when it seems like there is like a new type of do that's gonna they just wander into something new almost like someone's handing them something like played fell into a tree that was full of talismans like he just came back like talismans and i think he said he had to go back
00:38:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:02
Keck
for like additional trips because you know he was just so stocked up on talismans.
00:39:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's like they're giving them just enough hope just so they can bring them back down again.
00:39:08
Keck
and yeah like all right like i was on I was unhappy that her character died.
00:39:13
Kevin Dougherty
You know, like when they get when they grab the Boyd and then the ah and um what's his face, his mom, the ah the the lady from the diner, and then like, they torture and murder her right in front of him.
00:39:25
Kevin Dougherty
really Yeah, yeah, I really liked her. But like, yeah, and and then all men when like, and when he didn't know, and they had to fucking tell him that shit was fucking heartbreaking.
00:39:38
Kevin Dougherty
So that was, that was a pretty devastating death.
00:39:38
Keck
Yeah.
00:39:41
Keck
One other thing is I had liked in the first two seasons, um there wasn't a whole bunch of it, but I thought that the creatures transforming from person into creature in that CGI, I thought it looked really fucking cool.
00:40:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:40:02
Keck
And in season three, they decided to go with more makeup,
00:40:05
Kevin Dougherty
I don't think we got any of that.
00:40:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:40:10
Keck
with the creatures there wasn't like the CGI transformation so much like they actually had them in full bodysuits like you know um obviously this was probably because of budget budget constraints it would be really hard to do all that in CGI and make it work um but I did not like that um I didn't like them walking around in like their creature form because that's like something that seems to only come out at certain times and that kind of gave it like something of a uniqueness and like to see them walking out in like full creature form and the body suits and then they start making these weird sounds that they did not make in the first two seasons where they're like
00:41:04
Keck
You know what I mean? like you know like I know. You know what I'm talking about.
00:41:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:41:10
Keck
Anybody that's seen the show, they'll know. I mean, it's kind of like in 30 days of night, like when a vampire killed somebody, they'd make like a... And like all the other vampires who would like echo that like like yelling into the night.
00:41:25
Keck
like That wasn't part of their jam before.
00:41:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:41:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:41:30
Keck
they and They didn't walk around in creature form. They only like transformed when they were going in for the kill. like And that's what I thought was really cool.
00:41:43
Keck
Didn't you know they appeared as like normal people for the most part and when they had them all in the barn were like half of them were turned and half of them weren't I was just like ah Like I didn't like what the makeup department had done there No, I understand that I'm just saying like I didn't like the way it was
00:42:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, I understand why the day was like, it's just another way to like really fucking fuck with Boyd and the townspeople. Like when they feel like they're getting like too comfortable, they're like, move your kid up yeah, hey the way they did.
00:42:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. I got that. Yeah.
00:42:13
Keck
Yeah.
00:42:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I was just trying to like, you know, you know, explain away some of the, uh, the, the things that didn't go necessarily the way we liked them.
00:42:25
Keck
Yeah.
00:42:25
Kevin Dougherty
Like they're like, there was definitely a reason they did it that way.
00:42:29
Keck
Yeah, I would have just liked it to be better.
00:42:29
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, but also I think there was a lot of it they could have come out to like, and I wouldn't, I, yeah, like, like you said, it would have been cool if they all just stood around smiling at him while they tore her apart.
00:42:32
Keck
Yeah.
00:42:39
Kevin Dougherty
Like they didn't need to but to change at all in front of him, but yeah.
00:42:41
Keck
Yeah, well I'm not really just talking about that one scene. I'm talking about how it went like throughout the entire season.
00:42:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:42:51
Keck
um So I was just using that scene as like a marker because at in that scene they were all in the barn and like half were trans so you got to like really like stare because in the first two seasons you really only see their creature forms like a few times like and that was something I really liked that they you know and this season totally did away with that and And that was, you know, another buzzkill for me.
00:43:10
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:43:21
Keck
I mean, I'm sorry. I had initially had in my mind some other things that I liked about this season that I was going to speak of, but um they're alluding me at this point.
00:43:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, let me if I were. Yeah, oh, yeah, I agree with that. I mean, um I would say for me, rating the the seasons would be one, two and three.
00:43:35
Keck
um Yeah, for me, it was a disappointing season.
00:43:46
Keck
Yeah.
00:43:46
Kevin Dougherty
right up But I mean, I'm still looking forward to the fourth season and see how they wrap things up. And I'm thinking hopefully some of the things that that maybe they explain in the fourth, if we go back again and watch all of them, we'll see.
00:43:58
Kevin Dougherty
We'll see the progression be like, OK, I see like this makes way more sense in season three of why they did this. And maybe in season
00:44:04
Keck
Yeah, well of course of course, yeah, I'm sure they have it written out but like for me ah Yeah, well they have told 2026 apparently
00:44:08
Kevin Dougherty
but Well, we hope so. We hope so. Anyway. Yeah. Remember, this these are some of the writers that worked on Lost, so...
00:44:19
Keck
yeah i didn' I didn't know that, I not i don't like that. I'm not into lost, I don't know what I'm talking about.
00:44:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. so so we can yeah So, prepare prepare for choices. Hope for the best. Prepare to be disappointed.
00:44:30
Keck
the the The one thing that I will say too is like I can tell that you've been looking for answers, you know, whether for yourself or for this cast, which I think is valuable for the cast.
00:44:39
Kevin Dougherty
both I mean, I had to do the same thing for Dark. There was a lot of shit when I looked up Dark while I was like, I would not have caught this if I didn't find this on the internet.
00:44:46
Keck
Yeah, and see from I'm not looking for answers like that's not I'm just gonna let it go and you know Hopefully they'll wrap everything up in a way that like, you know You can understand that the end like I wasn't looking for answers. I was just looking for entertainment and this season entertained me substantially less than the other two seasons and that was just kind of a buzzkill but like I said I still enjoyed it and that just speaks to the quality of the first two seasons is that you can have a dud and I'm still like I'm psyched about season four unfortunately it's a long way away but
00:45:04
Kevin Dougherty
Okay.
00:45:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:45:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's still like.
00:45:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, even though season three was a disappointment, it was still good enough to keep you invested to to continue you to watch the show where you're not like, oh, season three was so bad.
00:45:34
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:40
Kevin Dougherty
I'm done with this show. You're like, well, season three wasn't great, but I'm still, and I'm still invested.
00:45:42
Keck
Yeah.
00:45:45
Kevin Dougherty
So I think that's, uh, yeah.
00:45:46
Keck
Like, uh... The... Well, we used to tell people, like, there were certain shows where, like, I would really encourage people, like, yo, just make this your last season.
00:45:58
Keck
Like, uh, the last season of Entourage.
00:45:58
Kevin Dougherty
Man in High Castle. Oh, I was going to say Man in High Castle. somebody i Somebody was asking me about Man in High Castle and I brought it up to them that we had talked about on the cast and we were like, you should have just we should just stop the season before that because the the last season really went off the rails.
00:46:06
Keck
The final season was dreadful.
00:46:12
Keck
Yep.
00:46:15
Keck
Yeah, really, really went off the road. I mean, we I still don't know what happened with that. Like, certain actors, like, just didn't come. Like, the one kid, Joe, he never came back.
00:46:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:25
Keck
He just disappeared. No explanation. Like, they took some pages from the expanse. Like, were they to start, like, canceling out characters? quest like like Entire, like, uh, character, like, uh, existence, like, basically entire characters just removed, like, all their story removed. No explanation. Let's just hope the audience doesn't know this.
00:46:51
Kevin Dougherty
Actually nothing from the expanse was removed at all. Everything from the expanse almost falls to the letter of the books.
00:46:58
Keck
this would get three ridiculously side barred so I'm just going to say I don't give a fuck about the books I'm just talking about someone watching the show and I watched the show with several and we were all like wait a minute what the fuck and I was like alright so it's not just me like everybody's like yeah it's just you know but anyway back to from That's pretty much all I have except to say that I'm looking forward to season four.
00:47:31
Keck
A question for you as we wrap up here. um Is there a reason that it's not coming out until 2026? Did they say that there were scheduling conflicts or it being the final season?
00:47:46
Keck
They just felt they needed more time to write.
00:47:49
Kevin Dougherty
Well, since it just came out, it just came out, what, a month or two ago?
00:47:54
Keck
I believe it came out um in the beginning of October, wasn't it?
00:47:55
Kevin Dougherty
It sounds about right. Well, probably, they I think they just got renewed around the time the show ended, the season ended.
00:48:00
Keck
Yeah.
00:48:07
Keck
Oh, I thought they got renewed before the show started.
00:48:08
Kevin Dougherty
know
00:48:11
Keck
Okay.
00:48:11
Kevin Dougherty
No, I know they had plans. They'd always had planned to end it it with a four season. So they knew where the where the ending was going to go. But I still think they had to wait to be renewed. i So I don't know how much of the script was written.
00:48:24
Kevin Dougherty
Obviously, nothing had been shot yet either. So they're probably haven't even started filming yet. And that's probably why it's not coming to 2020. Hopefully, maybe it'll come early 2026 instead of having to wait until late 2026.
00:48:38
Keck
you know that's what one would hope yeah I am vaguely ah yeah I've lost all like I've lost all interest in that show completely I don't plan on even watching the last season
00:48:38
Kevin Dougherty
So maybe maybe it's only going to be Maybe it's only going to be a two or three month delay and not like a Stranger Things. Oh, by the way, which Stranger Things just wrapped. Remember that show? Yeah, they just wrapped on their final season. I forgot forgot to mention that earlier. but ah Yeah.
00:48:59
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:49:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I was talking to somebody, uh, cause they were like, Oh, when's stranger things coming back? And I was like, next year at some point, I was like, we, we've got like, cause they, um, cause we also talk about Reacher and Reacher is about to have their third season. So we're about to have two seasons of Reacher before in between a final season of, uh, stranger things. Cause the first season came out the same year. A first season of Reacher came out the same year as the last season of stranger things.
00:49:30
Kevin Dougherty
We're about to have three seasons of fucking Reacher before the next season of Stranger Things.
00:49:34
Keck
yeah
00:49:35
Kevin Dougherty
but And all the kids are going to be like fucking in their mid 20s by now.
00:49:39
Keck
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I don't care. I'm not watching that show ever again. Um, any, uh, I'm good.
00:49:46
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I'll watch it. I'll watch it and I'll tell you all about it on the cast. ah
00:49:50
Keck
Um, what should we call?
00:49:50
Kevin Dougherty
yes
00:49:52
Keck
Well, I guess maybe we have to talk about in the cast. I'll, yeah, I'll ask you questions when that ah horrible time comes. Um, doc, any, uh, any final thoughts on, uh, from season three, anything that we might've
00:50:02
Kevin Dougherty
here
00:50:07
Kevin Dougherty
No, I mean if you watch the first two seasons, obviously you should watch this one if you haven't watched the first two seasons Don't start with season three because that'd be stupid Yeah,
00:50:11
Keck
yeah yeah I don't really think you have to tell people to start with season three which we just both like unanimously said is the weakest season so I don't think you have to instruct people to do that but um On that note, it's been a great night.
00:50:34
Kevin Dougherty
that's uh, yeah, that's all I got
00:50:36
Keck
Thank you for joining us. Follow us on all the stuff. And um yeah, and you know, it's been a blast.
00:50:40
Kevin Dougherty
local media things. Yeah.
00:50:46
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yes.
00:50:46
Keck
Doc, I'm signing out.
00:50:49
Kevin Dougherty
Till next time, ah Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and Happy New Year.
00:50:54
Keck
Yep, right on.
00:50:56
Kevin Dougherty
Whoever you have civil right celebrate, celebrate.
00:50:57
Keck
Kwanza, all that.
00:50:58
Kevin Dougherty
the
00:50:59
Keck
Wait.
00:51:00
Kevin Dougherty
like