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News plus we go over this years Chainsaw awards
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Introduction and Chainsaw Awards Preview
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Brandon
Good evening. no Welcome to Fright Central where we talk all things horror. My name is Brandon Keck and I am here with Kevin Dock.
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Brandon
And tonight we are going to be going over the winners and are there a losers, Dock, in the Chainsaw Awards or is everybody kind of a winner? Well, yeah i yeah, we're going to go over winners and losers to the Chainsaw Awards.
00:00:38
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, anybody who doesn't win, I guess.
00:00:47
Brandon
But first, I believe Doc has some news.
'It Follows' Sequel News and Speculation
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Kevin Dougherty
Happy belated birthday, by the way.
00:00:52
Brandon
Oh, cheers. Same to you.
00:00:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, our our birthdays were the day before the Chainsaw Wars, so we were both busy doing stuff, so we missed it completely. You can watch the full thing on YouTube now.
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Kevin Dougherty
If you want to watch the whole presentation and everything. But ah first, the news. The star from It Follows, Mika Monroe.
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Kevin Dougherty
I believe that's how you say your name. I'm not really sure.
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Brandon
I thought it's Mika, but ah yeah, it doesn't
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Kevin Dougherty
i Mika, I'm not really sure. Yeah. uh she teased that uh writer director david robert mitchell has written an exceptional scripts which she hopes to start filming next year noting that the team is trying to make the follow-up work with their schedules so and it yeah it's because everybody's kind of busy so they really have to like work out their schedules to make sure everyone's like available and free so like
00:01:27
Brandon
matter.
00:01:38
Brandon
Wow, it's they're not even going to start filming until next year?
00:01:52
Kevin Dougherty
That's not even a guarantee that they'll start shooting next year either.
00:01:55
Brandon
Yeah, I see when I had initially heard about this project, like I was told that it was going to come out probably like sometime like summer 2025.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah,
00:02:08
Brandon
Then I heard like, you know, they were going to shoot for like, you know, ah all of them like Halloween 2025.
00:02:15
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I thought it was coming out this year too, yeah.
00:02:16
Brandon
twenty twenty five So yeah, I thought it was coming out like soon, like I thought was going to be like out like around the time Predator Battlelands comes out.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:02:25
Brandon
Like, but like now I'm kind of wondering like, will this even happen?
TV Series Finales and Impactful Timing
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Brandon
Like if they're talking about, they're not even like, even look, it's great that he's got a good script and everything.
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:02:38
Brandon
That sounds promising. But like, if it's that delayed, that, they might not even start definitely shooting next year, then I'm not going to hold my breath. ah I obviously really was looking forward to this sequel, because the original, like, really fucked with me.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I feel like it doesn't really need a sequel, but I am looking forward to it.
00:03:04
Brandon
Yeah, um I feel like, yeah, I also agree with that.
00:03:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:03:08
Brandon
I don't think it needed one, but yeah, I really wanted one.
00:03:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:03:13
Brandon
So,
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Kevin Dougherty
So I won't be disappointed if it doesn't come out. But yeah, I like it.
00:03:16
Brandon
i I will, because i've I was really looking forward to it.
00:03:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:03:19
Brandon
And i would say, actually, now I might be even more disappointed now that I know that there was some quality writing involved.
00:03:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:03:27
Brandon
Like, you know, i mean, she's saying that there was like concept, like the concepts were, you know, conducive to like what what she wanted to see. So, I mean, yeah now that I know that like there's a quality, at least an outline for something like,
00:03:44
Brandon
That would make me want to see this even more. So, yeah. hey Hey, I hope they start filming. That's all I could say.
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Brandon
Because at least if they start, then at least we'll see a product at some point.
Friday the 13th Series and Production Updates
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Brandon
So, you know, hey, if it takes till like early 2027, you know, that's cool. But I just hope there is a sequel.
00:04:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Anyway, moving on.
00:04:08
Brandon
Yeah.
00:04:09
Kevin Dougherty
ah So a couple series have wrapped or are soon to be wrapping. see ah From season four has announced that they are in the last legs and they should be wrapping sometime in November.
00:04:23
Brandon
And this is going to be the season or the series finale, correct?
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Kevin Dougherty
ah with
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Kevin Dougherty
oh Did they and say that was ending with four? I don't remember. I believe they did.
00:04:35
Brandon
I might be confusing it with Yellow Jackets.
00:04:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, Yellowjackets is definitely ending with four.
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Brandon
thing
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Kevin Dougherty
I think...
00:04:41
Brandon
but four It might have been five. I don't know if it... Yeah, I'm not sure. I think I might be...
00:04:46
Kevin Dougherty
It seems like they should start wrapping things up, though.
00:04:50
Brandon
Yeah. It's definitely getting to that point. yeah like I could see them stretch in another ah two seasons, but I for some reason had it in my head that this was the last season.
00:04:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yellow. Yeah.
00:05:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I couldn't remember because, i like you said, I got confused with the Yellow Jackets news as well.
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Brandon
Yeah, I think that's
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Kevin Dougherty
andnna And if this doesn't come out in early of 2026, then it'll end up being almost two years
Chainsaw Awards: Eligibility Confusion and Nominees Discussion
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Kevin Dougherty
since the last season. and And yeah, that was pretty like, like things like were peaking last year because like everybody started jumping on board from last last season. So it's like you don't want to lose that audience. So you do want to kind of get that out earlier.
00:05:32
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, i looked it up, and um right now, the, I mean, it just says that, like, From was renewed for the fourth season, and that they are wrapping it up.
00:05:44
Brandon
It doesn't really, at least, I just did a quick AI search, so obviously it's subject to errors, but, um,
00:05:51
Kevin Dougherty
Ugh.
00:05:54
Brandon
it doesn't It doesn't say that season four is supposed to be necessarily the last season, so I'm not really sure about that. But, ah you know, I'm looking forward to I didn't realize it had been that long since the third season ended. I feel like I just watched the third season not that long ago, but I guess it has been almost a year.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. I think it was earlier this year, wasn't it? It was like January, I think.
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Brandon
Yeah, I guess so. So yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean, that's, I mean, it's not like, it's not like unheard of for things to, you know, take, take a gap.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
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Brandon
I mean, I thought that ah the third season was the weakest of the, the three seasons that I had seen. So I was actually hoping that they might maybe drag their feet a little bit to like have a, a stronger showing for the fourth season.
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Brandon
Cause you know, the third season was a little bit, I don't know. For me, it was like very bland. We talked about it in the cast. I wasn't a real big fan of the third season. So, I mean, i would rather them take a little bit more time to get things right than to get it out quickly. But yeah, I mean,
00:07:14
Brandon
we're We're talking about a year and a half between two seasons, right? So you're saying it's not coming out until mid-2026?
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it depends on when they release it.
00:07:24
Kevin Dougherty
ah Right now, it's saying early 2026. That's anywhere between January and June. You know what I mean?
00:07:31
Brandon
Yeah.
00:07:32
Kevin Dougherty
so
00:07:33
Brandon
yeah i mean it but it So it's a bit of a gap, but it's not nothing crazy yet.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:07:38
Kevin Dougherty
No.
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Brandon
So, yeah.
00:07:39
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, sure. ah
00:07:41
Brandon
Yeah.
00:07:42
Kevin Dougherty
Speaking of other shows that have wrapped, it brings us to our Friday the 13th news.
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Brandon
Yeah. and
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Kevin Dougherty
they of the showrunner of ah both ah Crystal Lake and the
Chainsaw Awards: Winners and Surprises
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Kevin Dougherty
upcoming series, It Welcome to Dairy, which actually airs this weekend.
00:08:00
Kevin Dougherty
ah He has confirmed that that the series is officially wrapped filming. So it says they are season one is almost sort of not quite done in Dust It, but they just had their wrap party.
00:08:13
Kevin Dougherty
So that obviously means it's in post-production. So, yeah.
00:08:16
Brandon
yeah Yeah, well, I mean, I know that they were filming on location in Phillipsburg. There was stuff on NJ.com. the state government website. So, ah you know, they're obviously, well, there was at least something going on there that i had something to do with filming. So I'm going to take their word that it was Friday the 13th related. So I take that as a good sign because as you know, I was in great doubt whether or not this was ever going to be a finished product, but
00:08:52
Brandon
all signs are pointing to ah us seeing something. So, you know.
00:08:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, with like ah international rights being bought by a Sky.
00:09:01
Brandon
Yeah.
00:09:02
Kevin Dougherty
And yeah, when them officially wrapping, it does look like we'll we'll actually get something. doesn't seem like they've shot something and then it will get canned. so
00:09:12
Brandon
Yeah, and we got a new video game. And, I mean, Sweet Revenge was a very promising short. So there's a lot of interest in Friday 13th right now.
00:09:23
Brandon
So, I mean, it is just peak conditions for a reemergence of the franchise.
00:09:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I believe they announced they wanted to do another movie as well, which would be the 13th movie in the series.
00:09:29
Brandon
Yeah.
00:09:32
Brandon
Yeah. Would it be the 13th movie in the series?
00:09:36
Kevin Dougherty
Who knows whether it will be Yes.
00:09:36
Brandon
Yeah. thirteenth movie series
00:09:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:09:41
Brandon
It would be the 13th movie. Yeah, so, I mean, that would be ideal, and, I mean, i think that if Crystal Lake is successful, that's going to give them more motivation to, ah you know, create a movie because they would have momentum, they would have interest, and, you know, that generates to profitability in theaters, so.
00:10:06
Brandon
you know, whether it's in theaters or on a streaming service or whatever, but, the you know, when where there's desire, where there's demand, you know what I mean?
00:10:06
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, seriously.
00:10:16
Brandon
That gives them, ah you know, the opportunity to, you know, produce something. So let's hope for the best. I want to see a lot more Friday the 13th after the long drought we've had.
00:10:27
Brandon
Yeah.
00:10:29
Kevin Dougherty
of but then Moving on. of Chainsaw Awards.
00:10:35
Brandon
Trainsaw Awards.
00:10:37
Kevin Dougherty
Uh, so the, we figured it, I finally figured it out when but we were were so confused last time on what movies qualified because it seemed like there was overlap. I think the one year it was all of 2023 in the first half of 2024.
00:10:55
Kevin Dougherty
So I think that's why it was a little confusing, but, uh, I did find out at least according to Wikipedia that it was, uh, from July, 2024 June,
00:11:07
Kevin Dougherty
And then the nominees were announced on July 9. And then it was aired on 19th. So. Yeah. so
00:11:15
Brandon
and you know what that's fine but like i would have liked them to be a little bit more transparent and clear about those timelines and and i mean i take it that you know you researched this and everything but like i mean don't i couldn't find any information at the time that we were doing the chainsaw awards like
00:11:24
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:11:39
Brandon
when we were trying to cover the period, like I couldn't find any definitive information as to how they were selecting it. So yeah, I mean, it did appear that there was significant overlap, but you know.
00:11:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, when I was trying to look up this window, the first thing that had popped up was like the last one, which was like, yeah, it was like pretty much everything 2023 and and half first half of 2024. And I was like, why would you do that?
00:12:06
Kevin Dougherty
ah like
00:12:06
Brandon
Yeah, it was bizarre.
00:12:07
Kevin Dougherty
It just makes it so confusing. Because like you've already had the one the year before that already covered half of that. So was like, yeah.
00:12:13
Brandon
I don't get it, but whatever.
00:12:15
Kevin Dougherty
But at least i do like I do like how the Chainsaw Awards are in October. I think that's a good time to release them.
00:12:23
Brandon
Agreed.
00:12:23
Kevin Dougherty
And I do think doing June, I mean, July to June is is ah is a good thing. I by would just put that out there when you're like announcing the nominees, you know what mean?
00:12:34
Kevin Dougherty
So, yeah.
00:12:34
Brandon
Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know, call me old fashioned. I just, you know, like to have that, you know, very basic information available.
00:12:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so we're not going like, oh, why is this movie on here and not this movie?
00:12:43
Brandon
You know,
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Kevin Dougherty
You know what mean? So, yeah.
00:12:47
Brandon
ah there I mean, unless they were, like, trying to promote the miss ah some kind of mystery around awards.
00:12:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:12:56
Brandon
Like, you know what mean? Like, hey, we just select whatever, whenever. like But, you know, I'm glad that you were able to shed some light on that.
00:13:04
Kevin Dougherty
yeah So ah to to kick things off, we're going to start with the best wide release.
00:13:06
Brandon
Yeah.
00:13:11
Kevin Dougherty
The nominees were 28 Years Later, Bring Her Back, Final Destination Bloodlines, Heretic, Long Legs, Nosferatu, Sinners, Strange Darling, Substance, and Ugly Stepsister.
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Brandon
I just want to say that is a really like mean the Chainsaw Awards this year, just looking at like the titles they had a lot of quality in that.
00:13:24
Kevin Dougherty
The
00:13:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:13:34
Brandon
like Compared to last year, I just want to make that point before we delved in like the last Chainsaw Awards. Like I was just kind of like it like this time there's some real quality content.
00:13:47
Brandon
Like, not only in the horror genre, but I would say that it was, like, just objectively good filmmaking in general. So...
00:13:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I agree.
00:13:54
Brandon
Yeah...
00:13:55
Kevin Dougherty
with that I think the only one on this list of best wide release, the one I haven't seen is the ugly stepsister in which that's pretty good for like, because ah sometimes I don't get to see everything on these lists.
00:14:07
Kevin Dougherty
So for that to be the only one I haven't seen, and now I'm going to have to like add it to my list just because it's nominated, you know i mean?
00:14:10
Brandon
yeah
00:14:14
Kevin Dougherty
Like,
00:14:14
Brandon
I didn't see that. I didn't see Longlegs, and I did not see Heretic. I think Heretic was the one. Actually, you know what? I may have seen Heretic and forgot. I feel like I did watch that.
00:14:30
Brandon
And, oh, I also didn't see Sinners. So, yeah, yeah i i miss I miss that one.
00:14:33
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, well.
00:14:36
Brandon
But, like, I've seen a lot more of the nominees in this Chainsaw Awards than I did last year, which I had only seen, like, maybe 5% of the titles last year.
00:14:48
Brandon
So this year it's closer 75%.
00:14:52
Kevin Dougherty
That's pretty good. I think Sinners is now available on HBO.
00:14:58
Brandon
Yeah, I'm going to check it out.
00:14:58
Kevin Dougherty
park Yes, it is.
00:14:59
Brandon
it was on my it was on my list for a bit.
00:14:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:15:01
Brandon
I i was aware of it. um But yeah, I mean, other than that, I i think – I feel like I did see Heretic. I just don't remember that much about it.
00:15:11
Kevin Dougherty
I feel like you would remember if you saw it.
00:15:12
Brandon
So that would just leave – that would just leave Longlegs and The Ugly Stepsister, which I guess neither of us have seen.
00:15:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, I don't know anything about that one, so I'll have to go in cold.
00:15:18
Brandon
but
00:15:21
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, Sinners was like, kind of reminded me of like from Dusk Till Dawn, where kind of starts out as like movie, and then it kind of turns into a vampire movie. You know what I mean?
00:15:32
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, well, that, yeah, that's, uh, that's pretty accurate from, for Dust Till Dawn.
00:15:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:15:38
Brandon
So Sinners was like a vampire story.
00:15:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:15:40
Brandon
Gotcha.
00:15:41
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, oh, sorry, spoilers. Yeah, it's a vampire.
00:15:43
Brandon
No, no, no.
00:15:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:44
Brandon
Hey, no, I just watched Lost Boys, uh, last night with someone who had never seen it before.
00:15:45
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:15:51
Brandon
So like, I'm feeling like very like vampire-y and, uh, just, uh, one note, I was going to, I'll forget to mention this, but, uh, PlayStation and Steam have done a really awesome thing in October where they've like released like a lot of things onto their network. like Steam did a lot of free-to-play, and if you have a PlayStation subscription, they just like released Alan Wake 2 on the PlayStation Network as like a monthly game that like if you're subscribed to it, you can basically take...
00:16:25
Brandon
download it, and own it forever, uh, Silent Hill 2, the remake, uh, Resident Evil, uh, 8 Village, so, yeah, they did, like, a great Halloween promotional thing this year, I know that's a sidebar off topic, it's just something I wanted to mention, um, actually in news, and I would have forgot about otherwise, but I've been really impressed with, uh,
00:16:49
Brandon
them putting out like a lot of high quality horror content um that's like very easily accessible and in some cases even free to play.
00:17:00
Brandon
So sorry about that. um But yeah, getting back to the Chainsaw Awards. ah So we have the nominees. The winner for
00:17:12
Kevin Dougherty
For why release with sinners? Yes.
00:17:14
Brandon
Sinners, and that's the one I had not seen.
00:17:17
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah.
00:17:17
Brandon
I'm sorry. I wasn't sure if we were going to do a drum roll or anything like that.
00:17:20
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, no. and We don't need to do a drum roll. yeah
00:17:22
Brandon
But yeah, well, that, yeah, that kind of sucks for me because I have not seen that film, but you know what? It kind of makes it even better now that I know that that won. Considering what it was up against, I'm thinking, I mean, 28 years later, Bring Her Back, the newest final destination, Nosferatu.
00:17:43
Brandon
Like, if it beat, like, Nosferatu is one of my favorite movies.
00:17:45
Kevin Dougherty
the
00:17:48
Brandon
films in the genre in like the past 10 years.
00:17:51
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah I would say bring her back nose fraught strange dar darling the substance and sinners were all like kind of hard to pick between those
00:17:52
Brandon
So...
00:17:57
Brandon
mean... Dude! yeah i mean so Like I said, I mean, especially Substance Nosferatu and even Strange Dark, like, they're just objectively good films, like, regardless of what genre.
00:18:10
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:18:13
Brandon
So, like, I guess I have, like, very high expectations for The Sinners now, because, like, I'm like, dude, it beat out Nosferatu?
00:18:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, yeah I would say.
00:18:21
Brandon
Like, for wide release?
00:18:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. I mean.
00:18:23
Brandon
Like, damn.
00:18:24
Kevin Dougherty
I should point out that this is like fan voted on, so I would say probably more people at scene centers.
00:18:30
Brandon
Uh, yeah That's ah that very good that you mentioned that. So these aren't, well, you know what, but we've talked about on the cast, and I've ranted at length for anybody that well has listened that I kind of have like an issue with like,
00:18:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:18:48
Brandon
you know, the idea that there are are professional critics anymore.
00:18:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's true.
00:18:53
Brandon
i mean, I think that, like, fans should be the ones that critique, like, you know, the ah the films themselves. So, I mean, i just don't know how many people...
00:19:05
Brandon
I guess it depends because, like, the Chainsaw Awards isn't, like, you know, the Academy Awards. you know
00:19:10
Kevin Dougherty
It's out, yeah.
00:19:11
Brandon
So you have to also consider the quality of the sample audience that's voting on this. But, I mean, still, I mean, it beat out – I mean, you're saying that Sinners is a vampire movie that beat out Noseratu?
00:19:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:26
Brandon
Like, and beat out the substance?
00:19:28
Brandon
Because, I mean, fucking – yeah, I mean, it beat out some heavy hitters. 28 years, fucking strange startling.
00:19:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I mean, i just want to say I don't, I don't agree with the, the, the, the pick. I, I think, no, I think, i think bring her back.
00:19:39
Brandon
You don't agree.
00:19:42
Kevin Dougherty
Notice for out to strange darling, the substance and are all better than centers, honestly, but I did like centers.
00:19:49
Brandon
Can I ask, do you know this um with the chainsaw awards, do they show like how many people voted and then give like a percentage base
Streaming vs Theatrical Premieres and New Categories
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Brandon
total?
00:20:00
Brandon
Like, or do they just announce
00:20:01
Kevin Dougherty
wow
00:20:02
Brandon
this was the winner and they don't, did they so they don't give you like any kind of like statistical voter information. Cause I would be interested in seeing how many people voted for each category.
00:20:17
Brandon
You know what I mean? Like I would have liked if they had provided that user data. Yeah.
00:20:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. i would I would too. But no, they just released the they just announced the winners. So they and don't even tell you the total amount of votes.
00:20:26
Brandon
Well, I have very high hopes for sinners. Sinners is at the top of my list now.
00:20:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, well, I would temper your expectations. I mean, it was good, but I don't think it was the winner.
00:20:37
Brandon
You shouldn't have said that, Doc. I'm very conflicted.
00:20:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. So best limited release movie. um Azrael, Frankie, Freako, Freaky Tales, Getaway, and Little Bites.
00:20:52
Brandon
I'm at a loss here.
00:20:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:20:53
Brandon
I've seen none of this.
00:20:54
Kevin Dougherty
I've seen Freaky Tales and I've seen Azrael and Azrael was the winner.
00:20:55
Brandon
at here.
00:21:00
Kevin Dougherty
ah So, and based on the, out of the two of the five I've seen, i would agree with that. I mean, I'm, was a little surprised that ah the, yes.
00:21:11
Brandon
Wait, you've only seen two of the five?
00:21:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:21:15
Brandon
So, well it's kind of hard to make a real distinction if you've only seen two of the five.
00:21:20
Kevin Dougherty
But out of the two that I've seen, i would say Azrael was better than Freaky Tales.
00:21:22
Brandon
You...
00:21:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:21:25
Brandon
Well, I mean, it it truly was limited release because, I mean, I've never even... Aside from Asriel, I've never even heard of the other four.
00:21:36
Brandon
So, I only even heard of one of these.
00:21:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:21:39
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:21:39
Brandon
So... But, you know, that's obviously limited release.
00:21:41
Kevin Dougherty
um I was surprised that... ah I was surprised that Jimmy and Stiggs wasn't on there because that did get a limited release in theaters, but...
00:21:49
Brandon
Dude, that was ultra limited release. When you told me about that film, like, I looked and they only showed that it was playing at one theater in the entire country.
00:22:00
Brandon
Of course, in southern cow fucking California.
00:22:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:04
Brandon
Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, yeah, so, I mean, that would have been that would have been, like, a new thing in itself, like, ultra limited release.
00:22:14
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:22:16
Brandon
But I couldn't find that anywhere.
00:22:18
Kevin Dougherty
Movie with the one theater.
00:22:20
Brandon
Yeah.
00:22:21
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:22:21
Brandon
Yeah, the best movie, the best movie that was only released in one theater in North America.
00:22:23
Kevin Dougherty
but but
00:22:27
Brandon
Yeah. They put that in the categories.
00:22:30
Kevin Dougherty
yeah i mean, we'll get into it. There is a new ridiculous category this year, but ah we'll get to that later.
00:22:35
Brandon
Oh, yeah. last year it was
00:22:37
Kevin Dougherty
All
00:22:38
Brandon
but I believe last year was Best to Amity, though, but yeah.
00:22:44
Kevin Dougherty
right. Moving on.
00:22:47
Kevin Dougherty
The next category was the best nonfiction TV series or miniseries.
00:22:56
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:22:56
Brandon
Huh.
00:22:56
Brandon
It's kind of great category.
00:22:57
Kevin Dougherty
Boulay Brothers, Horror's Greatest, and Last Drive-In with Joe Bob Riggs and Sven Gulli. I know two of these, and I think Joe Bob Riggs wins like fucking every year at this point.
00:23:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:23:11
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, i feel like it's kind of like, ah I don't want to say that, like, it is, ske or you know, favored. Well, he's on the fucking poster for the Chainsaw Award. So, I mean, i guess I feel like it might be, like, a little bit biased in his favor because, like, you know, he is, like,
00:23:35
Brandon
the poster boy for the awards. So, but yeah, I mean, he does pretty much win this every year, right?
00:23:37
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:23:44
Kevin Dougherty
I feel like he has.
00:23:44
Brandon
Or at least one
00:23:46
Kevin Dougherty
I feel like every year when I announce these, I feel like he's the winner. I'd have to go back and look to see how many times he's won.
00:23:51
Brandon
yeah the of them. How many many of these have you seen?
00:23:55
Kevin Dougherty
What was that?
00:23:56
Brandon
How many of these have you seen out of the four nominations?
00:24:00
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I actually watched one episode of the Boulay Brothers Dragula the other day because they did an episode at Neotropolis, the cyberpunk event ah in April that's out in the Mojave Desert.
00:24:13
Kevin Dougherty
um So I was like, oh, I got to check that out. And I was like, how did I not even know this was going on? And like I was watching it and I was like, I have no idea what is happening right now.
00:24:23
Brandon
Oh, really?
00:24:24
Kevin Dougherty
But it was because it was like maybe like the fourth episode. So there's already like relationships between all like the drag queens and everything. So like I was like, OK, I don't know. I was like, what's the point of the show? And then it was like then it got to like the competition part where it was like they had to come up with like a costume ah that kind of fit this theme and then um do like a lip singing like show.
00:24:49
Kevin Dougherty
uh two and they did it two ministries nwo and like they you know put them in like groups of like i think it was like groups of five and they would they try to put them in groups that would like that people had beef with each other to see how they would like you know come together and like uh and perform and everything so i was like okay it was ah it was actually pretty interesting ah at the end but i was like I was like, I don't know why. like like I don't know. I just don't like these reality shows where like they pet each other against ah pit everyone against each other.
00:25:19
Kevin Dougherty
You would think, you would think and like especially in that that community, in the drag community, you'd think they'd be a little more supportive of each other.
00:25:19
Brandon
I'm not a fan of it either.
00:25:26
Brandon
Inclusive. Yeah, exactly.
00:25:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:25:28
Brandon
Yeah, exactly. Like, yeah, they would want to support one another. They would want everybody to succeed. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know why.
00:25:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I mean, I guess it's a competition show, but like, yeah, it's like, it's still like, seems like some of the beef was like one of, one of them was like mad that the other ones were like, you know, getting like fucked up a lot of the times.
00:25:38
Brandon
yeah
00:25:50
Kevin Dougherty
And like, which is completely understandable. It's like, yeah, you're supposed to be on this show doing a, doing a thing.
00:25:55
Brandon
yeah
00:25:55
Kevin Dougherty
and And like, everyone was getting mad at that person for fucking like, you know, like quote unquote, like riding them out or whatever. And it was like, well, you're, that you are technically there to do a job, but like, yeah,
00:26:06
Brandon
So this was genuine beef. This wasn't like it kind of like just made for TV, sort of staged. Like, you know what I mean? Like how sometimes people get, but it's all like, you know, like Jimmy Kimmel and Matt Damon, you know what I mean?
00:26:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:20
Brandon
Where it's like a joking beef. You're saying that this was like actual, like real animosity here?
00:26:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:26
Kevin Dougherty
It seemed like it. They were just like, yeah, I'm really upset with each other.
00:26:27
Brandon
Yeah.
00:26:29
Kevin Dougherty
And I was just like, I don't know why these people are mad at each other. and like And this is not something I would continue watching, but...
00:26:34
Brandon
And they encourage that animosity.
00:26:37
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, they definitely encourage it because even like when they go to like eliminate somebody ah at the end, they were like even saying like they were like, oh, we don't want to eliminate this person because like it'll bring drama to the show.
00:26:49
Kevin Dougherty
And we love drama. And it's like, yeah, like that's not how you should be running a competition.
00:26:53
Brandon
Yeah, you would think that they would not want everybody divide it.
00:26:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:57
Brandon
You would think that they would. Yeah, I don't know. I don't agree with that either. I think that's actually like really bizarre that they took that stance.
00:27:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've watched ah the only other competitions that I've seen were like so like a makeup effects competition. I forget one what that was called. But there was somebody that I went to school film school with that was on that competition.
00:27:17
Kevin Dougherty
I forget how far they, I think they might have even won too. But ah that one was really interesting because it was all about like creating makeup effects and everything.
00:27:24
Brandon
i I could see how people would take that very fucking serious.
00:27:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:30
Brandon
Like, you know what I mean?
00:27:31
Kevin Dougherty
But even then, like that one didn't even seem like it wasn't necessarily like beef between people. From what I remember, it was more about like how well you can create these characters with the stipulations that they give you and ah and how good your makeup effects were.
00:27:42
Brandon
Yeah.
00:27:45
Kevin Dougherty
It was more about what you can do and less about the beef between each other. So I don't know.
00:27:52
Brandon
Yeah.
00:27:52
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah.
00:27:52
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's unfortunate, but I mean, hey, i I haven't seen them, so I mean, I'm just going to say the last drive-in with Joe Bob Briggs, they deserved it all the way.
00:28:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, he's always fun to watch him, like, talk about other movies.
00:28:07
Brandon
He is an entertainer, and I mean, i remember him going all the way back to the, yeah I mean, do you remember the channel Prism? like before stars ever existed and stuff like that. I mean, Joe Bob Briggs drive-in theater. I mean, i used to stay up, sneak out of bed and like creep downstairs and watch that on TV at low volumes to not wake up my parents.
00:28:32
Brandon
I love Joe Bob Briggs. So yeah, he's got a very special place in my heart.
00:28:34
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah me are yeah Yeah, I'm not sure what Horror's Greatest or Svengoolie is, but I'll have to look them up to see if they're worth checking out.
00:28:44
Brandon
Yeah.
00:28:45
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:28:45
Brandon
Yeah.
00:28:46
Kevin Dougherty
um Anyway, moving on. Best International Movie. a Cuckoo, Dangerous Animals, Oddity, Red Rooms, and Ugly Stepsister. So here comes Ugly Stepsister.
00:28:58
Kevin Dougherty
Again, I didn't know that was an international movie.
00:29:00
Brandon
yeah
00:29:00
Kevin Dougherty
Actually, didn't even know Cuckoo, Dangerous Animals, or Oddity were international movies, to be honest with you.
00:29:07
Brandon
yeah See, I'm at a loss here again because the only one of these that I even really know about is Red Room. so that That was, yeah, that was i was, I was looking it up and I was reading about it because I was planning on checking that out, but like, I feel like I'm kind of at like a loss to really give like a good opinion because I just
00:29:15
Kevin Dougherty
Really? Really?
00:29:30
Brandon
I can't speak intelligently about titles I haven't seen.
00:29:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I did see Cuckoo because that had Dan Stevens in it and ah Hunter Schaefer. I thought that was pretty good.
00:29:40
Brandon
um did not know that.
00:29:41
Kevin Dougherty
And I saw Oddity. um
00:29:44
Brandon
Where was Cuckoo filmed?
00:29:45
Kevin Dougherty
I thought that was.
00:29:46
Brandon
Germany?
00:29:48
Kevin Dougherty
I want to say Germany.
00:29:49
Brandon
germany
00:29:51
Kevin Dougherty
Or I could be mistaken, though. That's just off the top of my head without looking it up. Don't quote me on it. And Dangerous Animals was more recent release with ah Jai Courtney, where he like takes people out onto boats and feeds them to sharks.
00:30:12
Brandon
that
00:30:12
Kevin Dougherty
I haven't seen that one yet either, but ah that was mainly because I don't like Jai Courtney. I think they need to stop making him a thing. ah But I've heard it was good, so I don't know.
00:30:22
Kevin Dougherty
But Oddity ended up winning for our Best International Release.
00:30:26
Brandon
Yeah. ah Was the ugly stepsister, I think that was, isn't and the ugly stepsister, doesn't that take place in Germany?
00:30:35
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know. This was on the wide release nominee list as well.
00:30:36
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:42
Brandon
Yeah.
00:30:43
Kevin Dougherty
Again, I know nothing about the ugly stepsister, so...
00:30:47
Brandon
Yeah, the only thing I thought that, um I thought the ugly stepsister was supposed to take place in Germany. I haven't seen it. Like, I just thought that ah it was, a I thought it was a German, ah I thought it was a German ah film.
00:31:01
Brandon
But, yeah, I, like I said, i I can't really contribute much to the conversation here because I haven't seen any of this.
00:31:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:08
Kevin Dougherty
Well, you you said you saw red rooms or you looked up red rooms?
00:31:10
Brandon
No, I was looking into Red Room.
00:31:13
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, OK.
00:31:14
Brandon
I was interested in it, and I knew that um it was foreign, and i was i was just reading um a little bit about it. For some reason, I thought it was directed by Dario Argento, but it was not.
00:31:30
Kevin Dougherty
okay yeah well yeah well i've seen two and i know about three of these so uh again i'm all lost with the other ones but out of the two that i did see i think i liked cuckoo better than oddity but that's just my opinion uh
00:31:30
Brandon
Yeah.
00:31:51
Brandon
i'm definitely I'm definitely going to check out The Ugly Stepsister, though, because moving into the next category is Best First Feature.
00:32:05
Brandon
And ah just one thing I would note is that The Ugly Stepsister was directed by someone that has Emily, I can't really pronounce it, but it's a German looking last name.
00:32:19
Kevin Dougherty
Very Jordan.
00:32:20
Brandon
So I'm just going to, I'm going to guess, um, I'm going to, I'm going to guess that the ugly stepsister takes place in Germany or like Austria or, you know, some like Germanic country.
00:32:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:32:33
Brandon
But yeah, the next, uh, next category is best first feature. So I'm guessing that these are all for like, what is best first feature mean that these are all best first time director, uh,
00:32:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, their first feature film.
00:32:47
Brandon
like Is that what it means?
00:32:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:32:49
Brandon
ah Okay, okay. I wasn't clear about that based on the title. So these are directorial debuts.
00:32:58
Kevin Dougherty
Correct.
00:32:58
Brandon
And the nominees are Best Wishes to All, Blink Twice, Cannibal, what is that? Cannibal Merc Bang?
00:33:08
Kevin Dougherty
Mukbang? don't know.
00:33:09
Brandon
muang ah Mr.
00:33:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:33:11
Brandon
Crockett. And then again, the Ugly Stepsister. Shit, we really should have seen the Ugly Stepsister, man.
00:33:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, this the first I've heard about it.
00:33:17
Brandon
It's like nominated for everything. Like, i feel like I've really, uh, yeah. Like I've real, i've I really took a backseat to this one. I should have definitely seen that. Um, and the winner is the ugly steps.
00:33:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:33:33
Brandon
And I'm, I'm looking at like the, uh, there's a poster here on the chainsaw awards and, uh, it gives you, it gives you like a little, like, I guess it's like a scene from the movie and looks very, very interesting.
00:33:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:33:46
Brandon
So I'm like, oh shit, I really should have seen this. Yeah.
00:33:50
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I mean, this is the first I've heard about it was looking at the winners.
00:33:52
Brandon
Yeah, I mean...
00:33:53
Kevin Dougherty
So, like, i didn't even know that it won best first feature to, like, we scrolled down to this.
00:33:54
Brandon
yeah
00:33:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:34:00
Brandon
yeah i yeah i mean whatever, we're just presenting the winners like we don't really need to give opinions. I just, I would like to know as much as I can about each of these titles to, like, you know, offer, like, our opinion into it, but, like, we're kind of lacking in this department, so I'm just going to say,
00:34:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:34:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I think maybe next year, next year maybe we'll have to when they announce the nominees, we'll have to try to watch all of them before they the awards come out.
00:34:25
Brandon
yeah, I'm not Like I said, I had seen a lot of, like, the wide releases, like the popular titles.
00:34:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:33
Brandon
But, I mean, The Ugly Stepsister seems like it's been in, like, every category, like, as, like, a nominee.
00:34:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:34:39
Brandon
So, like, yeah, i I really wish I had seen that prior to doing this cast, but oh well.
00:34:45
Kevin Dougherty
It can also be tough because some of these categories, with ah you know, like limited release and stuff like that means that like it might not be available streaming yet. So like it's it's kind of like I don't know if ah like let me look it up real quick.
00:34:57
Brandon
yeah that's Yeah, that's true.
00:35:02
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know if like Ugly Stepsister is streaming somewhere or not. You know what I mean?
00:35:06
Brandon
Excuse me. um I was off with um The Ugly Stepsister, just to be clear. The film in The Ugly Stepsister is from norway
00:35:16
Kevin Dougherty
Norway, okay.
00:35:16
Brandon
So and now I don't know what the director's nationality is, ah but yeah, I'm going to say that she is Norwegian. Emily, um I don't want to, I'm just say Emily B.
00:35:31
Brandon
I don't want to butcher her last name.
00:35:32
Kevin Dougherty
Leichfeldt?
00:35:34
Brandon
Yeah, I was just looking original languages, Norwegian, and the co-producers. It doesn't really list the co-producer names. it just says co-producers, Denmark, Romania, and Poland.
00:35:48
Kevin Dougherty
it's Just the entire country.
00:35:48
Brandon
So, then yeah so this yeah, so this shit is like mad ethnic.
00:35:54
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Funded by the government.
00:35:56
Brandon
Yeah.
00:35:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:35:57
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, the Cobra, like, yeah, i'm I'm assuming that they mean that, like, these are all, like, filming locations, but the way they have it, like, like yes, this was produced by the country of Denmark, Romania, and Poland.
00:36:00
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:36:06
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:36:15
Brandon
But, yeah, it also, is a country of origin is Norway. So, yeah, that's, yeah, that's a whole mouthful.
00:36:20
Kevin Dougherty
okay
00:36:21
Brandon
I mean, i'm intrigued now, but, uh...
00:36:24
Kevin Dougherty
I did just look it up. It is available on Shudder or AMC+, depending on what you have.
00:36:28
Brandon
Oh, cool.
00:36:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so I'll have to check that out.
00:36:29
Brandon
Cool.
00:36:33
Kevin Dougherty
And then we get into best series next.
00:36:37
Brandon
yeah ah Yeah.
00:36:39
Kevin Dougherty
Creep tape, which I haven't seen.
00:36:40
Brandon
Well, i um've seen ah yeah I've seen, to say, I've seen all these except pre-tapes. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Kev.
00:36:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and I mean, if you want to go through the list, you can.
00:36:51
Brandon
What we have, the creep tapes, which I have not seen from, which we were just discussing. The Last of Us, which I saw the first season and the first episode of the second season.
00:37:05
Brandon
And then for personal reasons, I decided that was never watching it again. um Then Squid Game, which I've seen the first season and... like bits and pieces of the second season, and I kind of lost interest. And then, of course, Yellow Jackets, and I'm up to date. I've seen all three seasons of that.
00:37:25
Brandon
um And the winner was the Last of Us, which is really not surprising to me, based on what it was up against, because The Last of Us has being overwhelmingly positively received.
00:37:44
Brandon
I think it's got like over, like, I think it's like 9.1, 9.2 on Personally, I think The Last of Us has been, we're going to do a cast of it in the future to ah break it down a little bit more, but I mean, it's my opinion that The Last of Us has been ah really overrated.
00:37:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:38:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:38:06
Brandon
But...
00:38:06
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I'm assuming that all of these mean, like, except for creep tapes, because I think that just premiered, that's the first season. I'm assuming all of these are whatever their last season was and not the entire show itself.
00:38:18
Brandon
that That's a very good point. I guess it doesn't really, yeah, I'm going to say the same. Yeah, I mean, based on the timeline, it's going to be whatever season just came.
00:38:23
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:38:28
Brandon
So, I mean, i would assume that would be Yellow Jacket Season 3, Squid Game Season 2, Last of Us Season 2, From Season 3, and The Creep Tapes. You said that there's only one season of The Creep Tapes.
00:38:40
Kevin Dougherty
i believe so it is based on the movies uh i think it's called the creep with um god what's his name
00:38:41
Brandon
Yeah.
00:38:50
Kevin Dougherty
I'll look it up, but I've seen from, I haven't seen the the latest season of Last of Us. I've watched all of the Squid Game, and I've watched all of Yellow Jackets.
00:38:58
Brandon
yeah
00:38:59
Kevin Dougherty
So, I mean, I will get to um Last of Us. I don't know why I haven't.
00:39:05
Brandon
Yeah, I'm actually, I was going to say, I don't know why you haven't either.
00:39:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:39:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:39:10
Brandon
And i just want to ah add one thing is, despite how I feel about the um the the film adaptation of The Last of Us into a series, I want to say that um playing the remake of The Last of Us, and the remaster of The Last of Us games, because the games and the TV show have followed very close.
00:39:39
Brandon
I want to say that, like, in terms of, like, gameplay and graphics, The Last of Us has been some of the most impressive, like, not even just in the horror genre, just, like, all out, like, the production, like,
00:39:57
Brandon
They look amazing. They're amazing fucking games for any genre.
00:39:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:40:02
Brandon
And it's been very impressive. And one thing I will say is like the adaptation has done a very good job of following the game. Well, aside from some controversial episodes, which we will not get into, um this story has followed the games very, very closely.
00:40:23
Brandon
so But do you, just real quick before moving on, um with the creep tapes, do you know what that's available on?
00:40:23
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:40:33
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yes. um Well, no. Oh, it's on AMC.
00:40:38
Brandon
yeah and see
00:40:39
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:40:40
Brandon
It's on it. It's on it.
00:40:41
Kevin Dougherty
It's amazing. But it's a it's based on the um movies, the The Creep with Mark Duplass. ah And it's... um They've got the second season coming up November 14th.
00:40:55
Kevin Dougherty
But it's basically like a found footage and like Mark Duplass plays like a serial killer who hires like people under like false pretenses. And then like, you know...
00:41:07
Kevin Dougherty
Like films him like you know fucking with them and and then murdering him and shit so I've only watched the first movie and I was just like yeah it's alright but I never continued it apparently a lot of people like it but um yeah
00:41:23
Brandon
Regardless, moving on. Now, this is the category that I was like really looking forward to. So I'm just going to take the lead here. Best lead performance.
00:41:32
Kevin Dougherty
Go for it
00:41:34
Brandon
ah The I mean, you have some very, very strong fucking candidates for this. ah From Nosveratu, you have Johnny Depp's daughter, Lily Rose Depp.
00:41:49
Brandon
And Strange Darling, you have Willa Fitzgerald, who is an actress that I am fucking crazy about. I didn't realize – I started – you had told me about ah the show Reacher, and i watched the first season because I was like, oh, Willa Fitzgerald's in it, so I'm going to – and she was also –
00:42:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:42:07
Brandon
In a Fall of the House of Usher, ah she played um the young, you know, the sister of the big pharmaceutical executive who is played by, um can't think of her name, from Dances with Wolves.
00:42:16
Kevin Dougherty
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:23
Brandon
Well, whatever the fuck.
00:42:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I know you're talking about Yeah.
00:42:24
Brandon
and if But ah yeah, so Will Fitzgerald, then you have Sally Hawkins, Bring Her Back, ah Michael B. Jordan from The Sinners, ah Mika Munro, Mika, I think that's how you say it, Mika Munro, Longlegs, Demi Moore, The Substance, then of course the ugly stepsister has to get in here with, I believe that you say it, Lee Marin, I'm going to say Lee Marin.
00:42:51
Kevin Dougherty
Lea, Lea, Lea, Lea.
00:42:54
Brandon
um Then you have Hunter Schaefer from Cuckoo.
00:42:58
Kevin Dougherty
Cuckoo.
00:42:59
Brandon
Naomi – Cuckoo. Sorry.
00:43:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:43:01
Brandon
Thank you for correcting me. Cuckold. Cuckold. Cuckold. Naomi Scott. Oh, shit. I totally forgot. Smile, too.
00:43:11
Brandon
Naomi Scott. That was the first time I've ever seen her act in anything.
00:43:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:43:16
Brandon
And, ah you know, she's not really a household name. I thought she did a – I mean, I thought she was the best – part of a smile to very good performance. And then Sophia dach Thatcher ah in companion.
00:43:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, Companion was good.
00:43:31
Brandon
I don't know anything about that.
00:43:34
Kevin Dougherty
Companion was really good.
00:43:34
Brandon
pretty good
00:43:34
Kevin Dougherty
ah Going knowing nothing about it it would be a good thing.
00:43:37
Brandon
Yeah. Okay.
00:43:38
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:43:39
Brandon
And the winner is and you know, I just want to say one thing before saying the winter winner. I'm kind of surprised I guess maybe they didn't want to have two people from the same ah from the same film, but I'm kind of surprised that Margaret Qualley's not in there.
00:43:57
Kevin Dougherty
ah Well, I think she would technically be the supporting that.
00:44:01
Brandon
Oh, that's true. Yeah, I guess. Yeah.
00:44:03
Kevin Dougherty
Right? It's kind of hard because they were kind of co-leads in a way.
00:44:04
Brandon
It's, well, yeah, they really were.
00:44:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:44:09
Brandon
It's, yeah, but I guess you're, right I guess technically, yeah, you are right. Yeah. Okay.
00:44:13
Kevin Dougherty
love it
00:44:13
Brandon
Fair enough. The winner is Demi Moore.
00:44:14
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:44:16
Brandon
And I mean, it's
00:44:21
Brandon
In my opinion, as much as I'd like to give it to Demi more, I really thought that Lily Rose Depp in this Wrath 2. I mean, again, i didn't see the ugly stepsister.
00:44:34
Brandon
I did not see Companion. didn't see Kaku, and Kaku, whatever, fuck. I, well, yeah, I guess it's hard for me because I didn't see, what, one, two, three, five of these films I have not seen.
00:44:51
Brandon
So it's hard.
00:44:51
Kevin Dougherty
okay
00:44:52
Brandon
But I find the idea that, like, Lily, Lily Rose Depp, um, I just find it hard to believe that any one of those could have best at her performance.
00:45:05
Brandon
But if there was one that was going to, I would say Demi Moore is a pretty safe bet. I mean, do you agree with this? Do you think Demi Moore deserves it over everybody?
00:45:15
Brandon
I mean, it was very, I mean, she did a very edgy performance. I mean, this was a hard ball.
00:45:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's tough because I've seen everything but Ugly Sepp Sister on this list. And putting the movies aside of like ah of the quality, because i mean i I liked most of Long Legs, but not all of it. like I didn't like how it ended.
00:45:39
Kevin Dougherty
But everything else on here, I think it was everybody's performance is really good. So it's kind of hard to pick a favorite on there.
00:45:46
Brandon
And it's a very strong it's a very strong female lead. I think there's only Michael B. Gordon and Hunter Schaefer, I think, are the only men on here. So, I mean, this was a very, very strong showing by ah you know female female actors. And, yeah, I don't I mean, it's –
00:46:09
Kevin Dougherty
Well, Hunter Schaefer is a trans actor and I'm not really sure if they prefer
00:46:15
Brandon
How do they identify? You don't know.
00:46:17
Kevin Dougherty
thats So that's what I'm ah unsure.
00:46:18
Brandon
are Okay. So they identify as female?
00:46:20
Kevin Dougherty
Actress. and not Okay. Okay.
00:46:23
Brandon
shit. No shit. Huh.
00:46:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yes. Oh, they were born in Trenton, New Jersey.
00:46:30
Brandon
no
00:46:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I did not know that.
00:46:34
Kevin Dougherty
1998, 26 years old.
00:46:36
Brandon
no shit huh
00:46:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Oh, I know that.
00:46:39
Brandon
We got hometown hero here. So, all right. So technically there's only one man on this, uh, one male on this.
00:46:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. um Yeah. The first thing I noticed was that there was no male or female categories this year. That was with best lead and best supporting.
00:46:50
Brandon
Yeah.
00:46:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:53
Brandon
I kind of like that.
00:46:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. It makes sense.
00:46:55
Brandon
I kind of like that.
00:46:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And it does make it a lot harder to choose, though, but for a performance.
00:46:57
Brandon
You know, like,
00:47:00
Brandon
yeah.
00:47:01
Kevin Dougherty
So it's
00:47:02
Brandon
Well, I mean, it just shows you like, at least in the horror genre, like you have very, I mean,
00:47:10
Brandon
So this is really, really stiff competition. um I just think I thought that Lily Rose Depp, especially being that um I looked up her ah film history and she has very little credits to her name.
00:47:26
Brandon
Yeah.
00:47:30
Brandon
um in like a major like production i think this was her first lead in a major role and i mean i thought she absolutely crushed it so
00:47:37
Kevin Dougherty
lead I would say so yeah
00:47:41
Brandon
i mean that's who i would have given it to but i mean I could see it going either way, and Demi Moore, I mean, she really acted her ass off in this. This is a very different role for Demi Moore than what I've seen her in the past.
00:47:53
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:47:55
Brandon
This was a physically challenging role for her, very edgy, and yeah, I mean, it's hard for me to say that Demi Moore doesn't deserve this.
00:48:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, exactly.
00:48:05
Brandon
um
00:48:05
Kevin Dougherty
yeah honestly like
00:48:06
Brandon
So, I mean, I don't like necessarily disagree with them selecting her, but for me, I would went with Depp just barely.
00:48:17
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Honestly, looking at this list, just based on performances, again, like I would say Michael B. Jordan is probably the weakest link out of all these. And he plays he plays two roles in Sinners.
00:48:31
Brandon
It's the the year of the woman.
00:48:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. It's just everybody else's performance was like, yeah, that was really good.
00:48:38
Brandon
Maybe they just felt like they needed to put like one male in there.
00:48:38
Kevin Dougherty
like yeah that was
00:48:42
Brandon
They're like, oh, yeah, we can't we can't have it all female. Like we have to put somebody in there, but don't know.
00:48:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Well, the the question is, like moving on to the next category for best supporting performance,
00:48:54
Brandon
Well, here we go.
00:48:55
Kevin Dougherty
Why isn't Michael B. Jordan also on Best Supported Performance? Because, yeah again, he plays twin brothers in in Sinners. So he should be in both categories, shouldn't he?
00:49:08
Brandon
And you know what, to to basically echo my mistake, Margaret Qualley was up for but best supporting. So we have Nicholas Cage for long legs, Miles Canton for sinners, ah Ray Fiennes for 28 years later, his eccentric orange performance.
00:49:30
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:49:31
Brandon
Hugh Grant. Oh, I did not see Heretic because i would have remembered Hugh Grant. So eric you're going to remember Hugh Grant.
00:49:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, you wouldn't remember who Grant and who in Inherit.
00:49:41
Brandon
um
00:49:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:43
Brandon
yeah ah David Johnson from Alien Rom. Who did he play in Alien Rom? Who is David Johnson?
00:49:49
Kevin Dougherty
I believe he was the android.
00:49:50
Brandon
Do you know him? um
00:49:52
Kevin Dougherty
this with you Was that who that was?
00:49:52
Brandon
The android? Okay, I was going to say that would have made sense because he was probably my favorite character in Alien Romulus.
00:49:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, would agree with that.
00:49:59
Brandon
are I'm not even going to attempt to – can you pronounce the –
00:50:04
Kevin Dougherty
uh what new me mo most mosaku i don't know
00:50:08
Brandon
Musaku. Yeah, I'm not sure how – Musaku sounds right for a second name. Jack O'Connell, Margaret Qualley, Bill Starsgaard, – Oh, man, Pell Starsguard and Dan Stevens in, how do you say it?
00:50:24
Kevin Dougherty
cuckoo right
00:50:25
Brandon
Cuckoo. This is another real fucking tough one for me. And going with.
00:50:32
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, Sinners is on here three times and you haven't seen all.
00:50:35
Brandon
Yeah, I would have went with, like, from what I have seen, i mean, like, i love Margaret Qualley in the song. I mean, I just like her in general. I don't even want to go there.
00:50:43
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah.
00:50:45
Brandon
But I would have went with Bill Starsgaard because i think that he played the best Count Orlok that you, I mean... If I wanted to have like my ideal performance for Count Orlok, he just gave it all.
00:51:01
Brandon
like He was exactly what I wanted.
00:51:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:04
Brandon
like i mean As much as I thought Lily Rose Depp was great, and i mean I thought he just so i mean he was just fucking phenomenal. Again, you have very, very strong lineup.
00:51:18
Brandon
very very strong lineup For, you know, some of these are household names and then you have, you know, some newer actors. What do you think about this? So Nicholas, I'm sorry, Nicholas Cage won for a Long Legs.
00:51:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I would say, I mean, Nicolas Cage's performance was really good in Long Legs.
00:51:36
Brandon
what How do you feel about this?
00:51:40
Kevin Dougherty
He was probably the best part about that movie. Yeah.
00:51:43
Brandon
Yeah, I wasn't, like, really the biggest fan of it. I mean, I i should note that I didn't see it all in its entirety. I i was kind of, like, bored with it. ah I didn't think it was very engaging for me, but... ah Yeah, I mean, like I said, I think bill I would have given it to Bill Skarsgård.
00:52:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:52:04
Brandon
I was really pumped about Nosferatu. But I mean, what what do you think? Because you've seen all of these films. So you probably have like ah a little bit of a better vantage point than I do.
00:52:17
Kevin Dougherty
I would say Bill Skarsgård with Margaret Quayle is a close second. and And then Nicolas Cage would probably be third on the on list.
00:52:21
Brandon
Yeah.
00:52:26
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, I well i love Ralph Fiennes, but um in 28 years later, he had like a rather small part in it.
00:52:37
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I mean, Nicolas Cage kind of has a small part in long legs when you really, if you think about it.
00:52:37
Brandon
ah Yeah, I feel like they just gave it to him because he was Nicolas Cage.
00:52:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:52:44
Brandon
You know what I mean? Like, no, I'm being serious. I mean, I feel like the fans, like fanboys of Nicolas Cage, like I could see how they could give it to him just for being Nick Cage. He has a very, very loyal fan following.
00:53:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:53:00
Brandon
You know, as much shit as I've talked about him as an actor over the years, I mean, undeniably, he has a special place in, well, multiple genres, but he has a very strong fan following.
00:53:14
Brandon
I mean, that's objectively true. So, I feel like they might have just given it to him because he's Nick Cage, but like, Yeah, I'm actually surprised that Fines even really made it into this nominees list, given that like he has such a small part.
00:53:32
Brandon
But, yeah, ah i I can't speak to Hugh Grant's performance, but yeah ah I don't know. I think that Quayley or Stars Guard would have been like better candidates for this.
00:53:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that too.
00:53:48
Brandon
But, I mean, the Sinners, like you have – Yeah, I mean, you have three nominees from The Sinners in here, so I really feel at a loss. I'm so sorry I did not see that before doing this cast.
00:54:02
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, all their performances were great. Like, I can't argue with them being nominated. Like, yeah, yeah.
00:54:08
Brandon
I don't know what you mean cause I haven't seen it, but do you want the next category's best director? Do want to take this one?
00:54:15
Kevin Dougherty
ah Sure. ah Nominees were Danny Boyle for 28 Years Later, Ryan Coogler for Sinners, Robert Eggers for Nosferatu, Carol Fargett for The Substance, if I'm pronouncing that right, Osgood Perkins for Long Legs, and the winner was Ryan Coogler for Sinners.
00:54:27
Brandon
Yeah, I think sound right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:33
Kevin Dougherty
I'm surprised that ah The Monkey wasn't on here since Long Legs was on here, and that came out ah this year.
00:54:34
Brandon
Yeah. The
00:54:41
Brandon
well yeah yeah yeah the monkey hasn't been
00:54:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah,
00:54:44
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I mean...
00:54:47
Brandon
i haven't the monkey hasn't even been nominated for anything are you sure that it fell into this
00:54:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it would, but I guess ah whoever came up with the nominees didn't. I mean, I personally liked The Monkey better than Longlegs.
00:55:01
Brandon
yeah Yeah, I did too. I was thinking that maybe The Monkey... because The Monkey came out in 2025. So... Yeah.
00:55:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. So I guess, yeah, I guess maybe they just have to like, you know, they, they probably come up with the nominees themselves, obviously, and they have to like narrow down it down to something, you know, at some point.
00:55:24
Kevin Dougherty
So.
00:55:25
Brandon
this is fucked because I've seen every one of these films except for Sinners, and that took it, but I mean... i Dude, the direction in fucking this Ratu was fucking brilliant.
00:55:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:55:38
Brandon
I cannot see how Robert Eggers didn't get that. I'm sorry. Like, I don't care if have – I cannot think of a better – I mean, the fucking direction, the cinematography.
00:55:49
Brandon
I mean, and the whole – picture – oh, man. I mean, I could just go on and fucking do a whole other cast on –
00:55:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:55:57
Brandon
Nosferatu just won this, but Nosferatu hasn't won for a single fucking thing yet.
00:56:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I saw somebody ah recently, one of my friends said they went to a double feature of the original Nosferatu and then into this one.
00:56:09
Brandon
Oh.
00:56:10
Kevin Dougherty
And it was her first time seeing the original, I believe.
00:56:14
Brandon
Yeah.
00:56:14
Kevin Dougherty
and like And she really like loved it. And like somebody else was like, oh, I really loved like the original and the Werner Hergaz one. And they were like skeptical on watching this one. i was like, dude, if you like the original, you're going to fucking like this. Because Robert Eggers does a fucking phenomenal job with fucking like...
00:56:32
Kevin Dougherty
it's basically a love letter to the fucking original.
00:56:34
Brandon
yeah
00:56:35
Kevin Dougherty
And then like kind of really expands on it to, it's even more like for me, that would definitely be a toss up for Nosferatu, the substance, but yeah, I would have to go with Nosferatu on top of that as well.
00:56:38
Brandon
Yeah.
00:56:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:56:45
Brandon
I mean, the direction, I mean, i cannot really think of how you could have done that much better. I mean, oh my God. Yeah. I mean, i was really swept away by Nestor Atty.
00:56:57
Brandon
So, I mean, but I have not seen the center.
00:56:59
Kevin Dougherty
I feel like sinners ah felix Sinners was probably more like, you know, um what's the word I'm looking for? Palatable for mainstream audiences compared to the other films.
00:57:12
Brandon
Okay.
00:57:13
Kevin Dougherty
And I think that's probably why it won.
00:57:14
Brandon
Okay.
00:57:16
Kevin Dougherty
it didn't It didn't really do anything. i mean, 20 years later, didn't really do anything either.
00:57:25
Brandon
No, it didn't.
00:57:26
Kevin Dougherty
But... but
00:57:27
Brandon
It didn't. I mean, 28 years later, i mean and like we said, like we're glad that like that kind of lifted the franchise back up, but ah it it didn't make the earth move.
00:57:30
Kevin Dougherty
like
00:57:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, whereas like Nosferatu, the substance, you were definitely watching something happen.
00:57:39
Brandon
You know what I mean?
00:57:44
Brandon
I was blown away.
00:57:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:57:46
Brandon
i mean, I watched both of them multiple times.
00:57:46
Kevin Dougherty
happened yeah Yeah, where you're like, holy shit, like I haven't really seen anything like this.
00:57:50
Brandon
You know, they were that good.
00:57:54
Kevin Dougherty
Or like or like you might have seen something similar where you can see where the references are in the film itself.
00:57:55
Brandon
Yeah.
00:58:03
Kevin Dougherty
But at the same time, it's like...
00:58:03
Brandon
Noseratu is one, I think, one of the best horror films in the last decade.
00:58:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:07
Brandon
And The Substance was one of the most original horror films I've seen in the last decade.
00:58:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:13
Brandon
I think 10 years would be very safe to say the substance like really stood out in the last 10 years for me. Nosferatu, like the direction really fucking stood out to me.
00:58:25
Brandon
For me, the earth moved with both those films.
00:58:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I agree with that.
00:58:29
Brandon
With these other ones,
00:58:30
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I've read some reviews with people talking about the substance where, like, they thought they they ah that the they didn't like the ending, that the ending got a little too crazy or weird for them.
00:58:38
Brandon
and
00:58:40
Kevin Dougherty
Like, the movie doesn't work.
00:58:41
Brandon
I thought the ending was awesome.
00:58:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, the the movie doesn't work without that ending. Like, that's it leads up to that. It's the whole point of the movie. Like, I feel like those people that didn't like the second half or the ending of the substance are missing the whole point of the fucking movie.
00:58:54
Brandon
ah Yeah, i I think that they maybe didn't understand what they were trying to do.
00:58:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:59:00
Brandon
Not that we're trying to redo a cast on these.
00:59:00
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah.
00:59:03
Brandon
Well, we spent a long time on this category. But I mean, you know, this is Best Director. So this is one of the big ones.
00:59:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
00:59:10
Brandon
And yeah.
00:59:10
Kevin Dougherty
and that's That's why I'm saying I think Sinners was more palatable to to the mainreal Main Street audience.
00:59:11
Brandon
Yeah.
00:59:14
Brandon
Yeah.
00:59:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:59:16
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess I can, like, understand that, but I don't understand how that, like, really translates into best direction. So, I mean...
00:59:27
Kevin Dougherty
Well, when you have a lot of people that have actually seen it and they like it, then it would but get best direction. Where if other people have seen the substance and they don't like the ending, then you're not going to get...
00:59:41
Brandon
Yeah, but I mean, just because more people have seen it doesn't necessarily mean like it was the best directed thing. It just means like more people have seen it. Like, you know.
00:59:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, the more people see it, the more people vote for it.
00:59:50
Brandon
no Yeah, well, that's.
00:59:52
Kevin Dougherty
That's how it goes.
00:59:53
Brandon
yeah yeah well that's
00:59:54
Kevin Dougherty
What that? Yeah.
00:59:55
Brandon
Again, when you're doing user-based categories, yeah. I mean, i guess that's the one downside when you have, like, ah like again, this is why i would have liked it if the Chainsaw Awards provided, like, to just some statistical analysis giving us how many people voted in each category.
00:59:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:00:18
Brandon
I think that would have been very, very helpful.
01:00:20
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:00:21
Brandon
But, you know, anyway.
01:00:22
Kevin Dougherty
Honestly, they should probably do like rank voting.
01:00:25
Brandon
Yeah.
01:00:26
Kevin Dougherty
I think would be the best way because then if you haven't seen something, you would put that further down the list or like you can mark off like haven't seen but voting for this.
01:00:31
Brandon
Yeah.
01:00:34
Kevin Dougherty
So they can kind of balance out the the the awards a little bit better because then like if, okay, say a bunch of people have seen Sinners, but like, ah but ah not as many people have seen The Substance, but more people rate it that higher than then it would, you know, kind of even it out ah compared to the amount of people to like the amount of people would like it.
01:00:34
Brandon
ah Yes.
01:00:57
Kevin Dougherty
You know what mean? don't know if I'm explaining that right.
01:00:58
Brandon
i think I think, no, i actually think you're explaining yourself very well. um I agree 100%. I think that actually makes a lot of sense.
01:01:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:01:08
Brandon
um You know, ah yeah, I don't know if um you can leave feedback to Fangoria for this, but ah if possible, I mean, that would be something that I would suggest that they do in the next Chainsaw Awards. would be to incorporate some of that stuff because I think that that would, um it would just make more sense of like, you know, how these titles like got to where they are in the ranking system.
01:01:39
Kevin Dougherty
yeah but yeah it's kind of like Yeah, because I didn't see Ugly's Stepsister doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't deserve to win, you know what I mean?
01:01:40
Brandon
So, yeah. hundred
01:01:45
Brandon
Yeah.
01:01:47
Kevin Dougherty
like I obviously would have voted on something I had seen, but to be able to mark off, like oh, I hadn't seen this one, but then like if like five people had seen it and they really loved it, then yeah, it should obviously go to the top of the list compared to 20 people seeing you know something else, and then like but only like half of them liked it, you know mean?
01:01:47
Brandon
Exactly. Yeah.
01:02:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:02:08
Brandon
Or maybe make a qualification to voting, and obviously you would have to use the integrity program, the honor system, would be to say if you want to vote on a particular category, you have to have ah viewed each of these films.
01:02:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, think it'd be a little tougher to regulate it that way.
01:02:26
Brandon
You know what I mean?
01:02:28
Kevin Dougherty
I think it's just...
01:02:28
Brandon
It would be tougher. You would have to – it would be on the honor system.
01:02:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:02:32
Brandon
But I think that that would be fair because if you're going to vote for something over something else that you haven't seen – like, I mean, how do we – the voters could have only seen one film in each category and then vote for the one film that they've seen.
01:02:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:02:48
Brandon
So without any kind of like analytical data to like really – yeah, I mean – I guess there's a lot, in my opinion, there's a lot of room for improvement in these awards.
01:03:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. You would have to like put like what what percentage of people had seen versus what percentage of people voted for.
01:03:01
Brandon
Yeah.
01:03:08
Kevin Dougherty
That's why I think like a little bit of rank voting would but make it a little bit clearer, I guess.
01:03:08
Brandon
Yeah.
01:03:13
Brandon
Yeah. No, I agree completely.
01:03:14
Kevin Dougherty
I'm sure there's a way to figure it out. Yeah.
01:03:17
Brandon
And I mean, this is probably a discussion that we should be having at the conclusion of the cast. So consider this to be our wrap up.
01:03:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. but
01:03:25
Brandon
Sorry. Moving on. We have best screenplay. ah And the nominees are, of course, the ugly stepsister has to be in there, right?
01:03:36
Kevin Dougherty
No.
01:03:36
Brandon
ah No, we don't have the ugly stepsister in this.
01:03:37
Kevin Dougherty
ah but
01:03:40
Brandon
We have ah Scott Beck and Brian Woods for Heretic. We have Ryan Cougar for Sinners. We have – how do you say that name, Kev?
01:03:50
Kevin Dougherty
I think it's Carol, Carol, I forget. I'm not sure.
01:03:54
Brandon
Fargate.
01:03:54
Kevin Dougherty
I'm not really sure. Again, it's like, if you don't hear these names pronounced, it's kind of hard to like figure these out.
01:03:55
Brandon
Paralyze Fargate.
01:03:59
Brandon
Both. Because ah for the – okay. Oh, yeah. it what and All right. So we she directed and – okay. I'm sorry. I thought that there were too far i thought there were two Fargets involved in the substance.
01:04:14
Brandon
I thought that it was like Sister and Sister or something.
01:04:15
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, no. It was writer-director, yeah.
01:04:18
Brandon
i' Sorry. So, ah yeah. Caroline Fargett for the substance. um Bill – Is that Hinsman and Danny?
01:04:25
Kevin Dougherty
Hensbin?
01:04:29
Brandon
Oh, man. These are a little bit – I don't – not even going to try to pronounce that.
01:04:33
Kevin Dougherty
noy
01:04:36
Kevin Dougherty
I believe they're Australian.
01:04:37
Brandon
Fill up a poo. Yeah, fill up a poo. Bring her back. And then you have J.T. Mollner. Is that how you say it?
01:04:46
Kevin Dougherty
sure yeah
01:04:47
Brandon
Mollner. A lot of these are really hard to pronounce names. So if we're butchering this, ah please forgive me for a strange darling. And ah without surprise, the sinners takes it again.
01:04:59
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yes centers yeah
01:05:01
Brandon
Or excuse me, not the sinners, just sinners. I've been saying dust sinners a lot. um And, yeah, I mean, i guess I've seen three of the five.
01:05:14
Brandon
So, ah but, I mean, kind of surprised that the substance doesn't take a year. um But, I mean, again, I haven't seen sinners, so, yeah.
01:05:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, Bring Her Back was really good. I mean, it's it's real grim, too. But so is Strange Carlin was really good, too, and that that really had a good ah great twist that I didn't really see coming either.
01:05:32
Brandon
Very good.
01:05:37
Brandon
yeah
01:05:38
Kevin Dougherty
we will We won't spoil that here, but...
01:05:38
Brandon
yeah Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:05:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:05:42
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, i think we already talked about it in the cast, but yeah, ah this is a cast on the awards. We're not like going we're not going to break down plots or give spoilers, but yeah.
01:05:52
Kevin Dougherty
that
01:05:53
Brandon
I mean, Strange Darling, i'm surprised it's one for nothing yet. And I mean, when we went over it in the cast, I would say Strange Darling was like my sleeper.
01:06:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, probably like my, that was probably my third favorite. It would be like, probably, i think we went over this last year with our awards.
01:06:04
Brandon
of the year because I had no expectation for that.
01:06:11
Brandon
Yeah.
01:06:13
Kevin Dougherty
and When we had talked about it, it was like, it was like Nosferatu Substance and then Strange Darling was like right up there.
01:06:13
Brandon
Yeah.
01:06:19
Kevin Dougherty
So, yeah.
01:06:20
Brandon
Yeah. ah The next one is Best Score, which is something, I mean, well, I mean, like I said, um when we were talking about, like, things that made the original 1987 Predator so good, as I always said, like,
01:06:35
Brandon
what would the Predator have been like without the score? I feel like a lot of the people sleep on the music and the way that, uh, the music like, uh, you know transforms the, uh, visuals that you're seeing in your mind.
01:06:51
Brandon
And, uh, I'm just going to, rather than go over, uh, it was nominated sinners again, sinners again.
01:06:55
Kevin Dougherty
and push everybody's name.
01:06:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, i can't I can't argue with this one.
01:07:00
Brandon
so like,
01:07:01
Kevin Dougherty
this that That really had a great score. it really fit the time.
01:07:07
Brandon
Yeah.
01:07:07
Kevin Dougherty
um lot of live live ah performance in it. Yeah, I can't. This one would probably be score.
01:07:14
Brandon
Well, without going through all the names, I'm just going to name the films.
01:07:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:07:18
Brandon
Nosferatu, Sinners, The Substance, 28 years later, I'm really, really surprised that that's in there because don't... do not remember that having a very i impressive actually had kind of a bizarre soundtrack and I talked a little bit about that in the cast and then long legs ah this is the one category I would say like I don't think Nosferatu really had like a groundbreaking score so I'm just going to go with the voters and say the Sinners was probably the best I mean
01:07:54
Kevin Dougherty
yeah sinners had a great score so i'm not even gonna argue with that
01:07:58
Brandon
substance i mean Substance had its moments. um I don't really remember Longlegs being anything special, but I don't know.
01:08:11
Brandon
Maybe it was...
01:08:11
Kevin Dougherty
i'm surprised smile 2 isn't in here or would that be like best original music you know what mean because like
01:08:12
Brandon
on
01:08:16
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
01:08:19
Kevin Dougherty
Because they like you know created all those songs from scratch.
01:08:21
Brandon
Because she did do those songs, right?
01:08:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:08:24
Brandon
Yeah.
01:08:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so...
01:08:25
Brandon
Yeah. No, I'm surprised by that, too. That's actually a really good point. Best makeup. We were just talking about makeup. Do you want to take these nominees?
01:08:36
Kevin Dougherty
Sure, I'll just go through the the movies that were nominated. was Long Legs, Terrorfire 3, 28 Years Later, The Substance and Nosferatu, and the winner was The Substance. And that's not surprisingly. I mean, Nosferatu, really good, but that was just the one character of Nosferatu himself, Bill Skarsgård.
01:08:59
Kevin Dougherty
But where The Substance...
01:09:00
Brandon
I'm glad that Terrifier 3 was nominated in here because i had just watched like a behind the scenes of them like doing like all these different like ah variations of Art the Clown.
01:09:13
Brandon
And I thought that Terrifier 3 was kind of a disappointing um film. But I mean, i did appreciate like the makeup and stuff. But yeah, I agree with you 100%.
01:09:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. Longlegs was Chuss Nicholas Cage, really, and Nosfratu was Chuss Bill Skarsgård, where, like, 20 years later, it was, like, all the zombies, and Terrifier 3 was not just Art the Clown, but all, like, this the special effects, you know, with the the gore and stuff.
01:09:41
Kevin Dougherty
But the...
01:09:41
Brandon
And I was not, I'm sorry, I can't, yeah.
01:09:44
Kevin Dougherty
Sorry, yeah. The substance, I think, does take this because it created multiple and and it just got bigger and bigger as the movie went on them.
01:09:49
Brandon
Half, yeah.
01:09:54
Brandon
Yeah. More, yeah, more ridiculous, more drawn out.
01:09:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:09:58
Brandon
I mean, yeah, I thought Bill Starsgaard looked, especially at the end, like the climax of the film, when he climbs on top of her.
01:10:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:10:06
Brandon
and but I mean, you can see, like, what they did, ah his, like, Extremely malformed body. But like, I mean, my goodness gracious. I'm just looking at like a Demi Moore at the end. I mean, oh my God.
01:10:20
Brandon
Yeah. I mean, it was just like a transformation from like bad to worse.
01:10:25
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:10:25
Brandon
And yeah, I mean, they really, ah if you haven't seen it.
01:10:29
Kevin Dougherty
Even like if you if you watch some of the behind the scenes where the substance even like the the shot with the spine opening up and crawling like that most of that is practical effects so it's like that's all makeup right there so like you go from that to like the very Cronenberg-y like the thing at the towards the end you know what I mean like yeah that's just
01:10:38
Brandon
Yeah.
01:10:42
Brandon
Oh, man, it just, All 28 years later had was, like, guys with gigantic flopping thongs.
01:11:00
Brandon
I don't really, yeah, I'm not, eh, uh.
01:11:00
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:11:03
Kevin Dougherty
and i guess this i guess the makeup effects does kind of go into best creature effects as well
01:11:09
Brandon
yeah Yeah, I was kind of wondering like what the difference was beat between these two categories.
01:11:15
Kevin Dougherty
yeah because as i was scrolling down to the next category i was like oh wait creature effects so like
01:11:16
Brandon
I felt like they were kind redone.
01:11:20
Brandon
Yeah.
01:11:21
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, I mean, I would still agree with Substance winning both, honestly. And and ah the the nominees for Creature Effects was Oddity, Smile 2. Well, the Smile 2 monster was really good.
01:11:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:11:33
Brandon
Yeah, it looked... Yeah, that's something we should... It looked really... really impressive in those scenes.
01:11:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:11:42
Brandon
That creature, because it takes on different forms at different times, and especially like we talked about in the cast, like when it crawls into the mouth, like, oh, dude, what creates the smile?
01:11:52
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah.
01:11:54
Brandon
Like, you know, ah the that was, yeah, I mean, I'm glad that Smile 2 at least got nominated, but um what was this one film, Werewolves?
01:11:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:12:05
Brandon
I do not believe saw that.
01:12:06
Kevin Dougherty
Werewolves and Alien Realm, unless they're the other two with substance winning. Werewolves was the Frank Grillo movie where it was kind of like The Purge meets ah like a werewolf movie.
01:12:18
Brandon
I know what you're talking about. did not see it, but I did i do know of this movie.
01:12:23
Kevin Dougherty
It wasn't really that that good, but it was entertaining, at least, for the most part.
01:12:24
Brandon
Yeah.
01:12:27
Kevin Dougherty
You know what i mean? So, ah the werewolves looked pretty cool.
01:12:29
Brandon
Yeah.
01:12:31
Kevin Dougherty
so But, yeah, that's the battle.
01:12:33
Brandon
I'm kind of like perplexed. Well, I guess like creature. Yeah. I mean, i don't know. I feel like these are a bit redundant, but like ah the next is best streaming premiere. And I'm kind of surprised that that's even a category.
01:12:51
Kevin Dougherty
Well, because if it doesn't get released in theaters or even limit it, it just goes straight to streaming.
01:12:56
Brandon
Because like a lot of films are not being, released in theaters.
01:13:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so...
01:13:01
Brandon
It seems like a lot more stuff is premiering on streaming, so I guess I'm sort of like surprised that they have like separate categories. I would just think it would be like the best...
01:13:13
Brandon
Well, I don't even think this should be a category. That's just my opinion.
01:13:16
Kevin Dougherty
I do, because there are a lot of... That's like almost like having straight-to-DVD or straight-to-VHS category. i think you still need I think you still need one, but...
01:13:25
Brandon
I don't necessarily... I don't really agree with that, but...
01:13:28
Kevin Dougherty
i I don't know any of I mean, the only one I've heard of... Well, let's go through the nominees first. It's ah Best Wishes Doll, Cannibal, Muck Bag, which was nominated for something earlier. Gazer, Mr. Crockett, and There's a Zombie Outside.
01:13:43
Kevin Dougherty
Mr. Crockett, I've only seen the poster for on Hulu. I think it was like a one of like the ones they released during Halloween last year, i want to say. And like I don't know anything about the movie.
01:13:57
Kevin Dougherty
But that's the only one I've even heard of.
01:14:00
Brandon
Yeah, i I have not seen any of these. So I can't i can't really – I mean i don't even know how they're selected per se because several of these felt like – I mean I think the substance was first available on – what was it? Mubi?
01:14:20
Kevin Dougherty
When it premiered on streaming, but it was it was in theaters. I saw it in theaters.
01:14:23
Brandon
oh It was in theaters first.
01:14:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:27
Brandon
All right. All right. Well, maybe there is like a lot, maybe um a lot of these films I thought premiered on streaming and they actually were in theaters first.
01:14:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:14:38
Brandon
It could be that I'm just ignorant of that. So I'll, you know I'll go with
01:14:41
Kevin Dougherty
Because if you think about it, like the last Predator movie, Prey, would have been streaming premiere.
01:14:48
Brandon
it. Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:50
Kevin Dougherty
That was straight. I mean, I happened to see like a premiere, have an opening premiere at a theater, but that was not a that was just like the ah premiere opening premiere for the movie itself.
01:15:01
Brandon
I didn't realize Prey was in theaters at all originally.
01:15:01
Kevin Dougherty
Not a limited release.
01:15:05
Brandon
I thought it was a streaming premiere on Hulu.
01:15:06
Kevin Dougherty
no It was only one theater for the premiere and that's it.
01:15:08
Brandon
Oh, okay.
01:15:10
Kevin Dougherty
And that doesn't count.
01:15:11
Brandon
So it was an extremely... Okay.
01:15:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, that doesn't count as like a limited release.
01:15:13
Brandon
Gotcha.
01:15:15
Kevin Dougherty
So that would have been a streaming premiere and that obviously would have won.
01:15:16
Brandon
Gotcha.
01:15:20
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, I don't know any of these movies either. So moving on, Best Cinematography.
01:15:25
Brandon
I already know... wow if If this did not win, I would have been like, yo these users don't know what the fuck they're voting on.
01:15:36
Kevin Dougherty
But it's Sinners, Long Legs, Nosferatu, The Substance, 28 Years Later, and the winner was Nosferatu.
01:15:36
Brandon
But, uh...
01:15:42
Kevin Dougherty
Of course.
01:15:43
Brandon
Thank fucking God.
01:15:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, when I was going down the list initially, I was like, man, why is Nosferatu not winning anything?
01:15:44
Brandon
I mean...
01:15:50
Kevin Dougherty
And then when you got the best in photography, I was like, okay. like It better fucking at least won another five of them.
01:15:55
Brandon
if it If it didn't, then I would have pretty much been like, feel like i don't ah I don't think that any of these people should be voting on anything. I don't even think they know what cinematography is.
01:16:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they're their
01:16:07
Brandon
and
Nosferatu's Wins in Cinematography and Costume Design
01:16:08
Kevin Dougherty
Fangori subscription should be cancelled.
01:16:10
Brandon
Yeah.
01:16:10
Kevin Dougherty
but
01:16:12
Brandon
it It really should. ah But just moving on. Next we have best costume design. And, ah you know, Oh, I kind of forgot about Maxine.
01:16:27
Brandon
that hasn't been mentioned once in here. I forgot. Maxine did come out in this.
01:16:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because that last summer as well, so yeah.
01:16:33
Brandon
um
01:16:36
Brandon
Yeah, Sinners, Maxine, which was the third installment in, ah what was it? It was, ah yeah, and then Earl and then Maxine.
01:16:44
Kevin Dougherty
The x pearl x and maximum.
01:16:50
Brandon
and uh yeah i mean that was extraordinary sinners maxine this ratu the ugly stepsister the substance um and again didn't see sinners uh or the ugly stepsister but it's kind hard to uh disagree with this roth to taking this on the costumes were brilliant i
01:17:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:17:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, absolutely.
01:17:14
Brandon
i
01:17:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah um like the substance costumes didn't really, I mean, it just seemed like normal people wearing clothes.
01:17:21
Brandon
Yeah, there were leotards and, you know, I mean, there wasn't anything it wasn't anything wasn't anything special.
01:17:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
01:17:31
Brandon
ah Maxine was like, well, you know, the thing is is, I don't really remember, well, when they were on set in Maxine, there was a lot of people.
01:17:41
Kevin Dougherty
Well, Maxine, it was also like it had that 70s retro feel to it.
01:17:45
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
01:17:45
Kevin Dougherty
So they were wearing like 70s costumes. Same thing with Sinners, I think is 50s. I forget what when it's supposed to take place. But yeah, the costumes of Sinners were good.
01:17:57
Kevin Dougherty
ah But yeah, ah obviously Nosferatu fucking clearly takes the cake on this one.
01:18:01
Brandon
Yeah, I think so.
01:18:01
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I haven't seen Ugly Setup Sister again, but it's going to be Nosferatu regardless.
01:18:07
Brandon
And next we have a Best Documentary. And we have Doc of Chucky, George J. Ramirez, Resident in Evil, In Search of Darkness, 1990 to 1994, The J. Horror Virus. I've never heard that.
01:18:27
Brandon
um And then Susanna, Queen of Black Magic.
01:18:32
Kevin Dougherty
I've actually seen none of these. I mean, I've been interested in watching the In Search of Darkness series because I but think this is the third one that they've done.
01:18:39
Brandon
Yes.
01:18:41
Kevin Dougherty
They did like 80s, two 80s ones, and then they've they've just started the 90s. I haven't seen the Chucky one, and I'm definitely interested in the Mirrors Resident Evil because I remember
01:18:52
Brandon
yeah
Video Game and Documentary Awards
01:18:53
Kevin Dougherty
when that script came out.
01:18:53
Brandon
that's the only one I've heard of.
01:18:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:18:55
Brandon
Uh, yeah, I, I, I heard of that and I believe that that is available for free on either to be or Plex or one of those.
01:19:06
Brandon
I think it is. I'm not a, don't quote me on that, but I think it is. And, uh, George J. Romero's resident evil one. And, uh, I can't really agree or disagree with that because I've seen none of these.
01:19:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it was it was definitely one of those movie ah documentaries about a movie that never happened.
01:19:19
Brandon
So, um,
01:19:23
Kevin Dougherty
So, yeah.
01:19:24
Brandon
Yeah, yeah. ah And I talked a little bit about this earlier, moving on to best video game. The best video games were Death Stranding 2, Mouthwashing, Silent Hill 2 Remake, which I talked about earlier, um Slitherhead, and Sorry Were Closed.
01:19:46
Brandon
Now, I've only played two of these games. Well, actually, technically speaking, I've only played Death Stranding 2. I have not.
01:19:58
Brandon
I've played Silent Hill 2. I have not played the remake, which is not to be confused with a remaster. Silent Hill 2 was completely remade into a whole new game.
01:20:11
Brandon
I just downloaded it. It has been overwhelmingly positive reception, and that's the one that took it. um I've actually never even heard of Slitherhead or Sorry We're Closed.
01:20:26
Brandon
I'm Kind of surprised that Alan Wake 2 wasn't on here. I'm thinking maybe ah it's because of the time frame.
01:20:38
Brandon
I'm thinking, but although, no, Alan Wake 2 came out in 2024. And so did Silent Hill 2. So I'm surprised that Alan Wake 2 is not on here because of it.
01:20:47
Kevin Dougherty
Well, when did Alan Wake 2 come out ah last year, though?
01:20:51
Brandon
In 2024, I believe.
01:20:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but when?
01:20:52
Brandon
um Unless it could have been 2023. Okay.
01:20:55
Kevin Dougherty
It could have been the...
01:20:55
Brandon
Maybe it was 2023.
01:20:56
Kevin Dougherty
Remember, this is only from last July, so it could have come out before then.
01:21:01
Brandon
Could have come out before then.
01:21:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:21:02
Brandon
Yeah, I'm going... Yeah, that would be my... That would be my ah best guess.
01:21:06
Kevin Dougherty
Also, were there no Resident Evil games last year?
01:21:10
Kevin Dougherty
feel like there's...
01:21:10
Brandon
There were not...
01:21:10
Brandon
Resident Evil Village...
01:21:11
Kevin Dougherty
Or remake or remaster? I feel like there's one every year, it seems like.
01:21:15
Brandon
Resident Evil Village saw a VR release afterwards.
01:21:19
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, okay.
01:21:20
Brandon
I think the VR release was like in early 2023, maybe even late 2022. So that the reason I know there's another Resident Evil game on the pipeline, um so you know that's always going to be happening.
01:21:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:21:36
Brandon
But I don't know.
01:21:37
Kevin Dougherty
um
01:21:37
Brandon
the The reception I heard, the Silent Hill 2 remake, I mean, I'm really looking forward to playing.
01:21:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:21:42
Brandon
I just downloaded it yesterday, so.
01:21:44
Kevin Dougherty
um
Unique Awards: Editor's Eyeball and Best Kill
01:21:45
Kevin Dougherty
Honestly, speaking of VR games, I think they should start adding a a category of like, you know, best VR game.
01:21:52
Brandon
I was going to mention that. Yeah.
01:21:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because then it would give me interest in being like, oh, that's actually a good game to play, then I might i might check it out. So, but, yeah.
01:22:00
Brandon
Yeah. um I've never heard of this next category. It's the Editor's Eyeball Award. um
01:22:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I had to look this up. So it was designed to celebrate underseen heroes of the cinema. ah These are presented by the um Fango itself.
01:22:18
Kevin Dougherty
This isn't something you vote on. So this is an editor's award.
01:22:21
Brandon
okay
01:22:21
Kevin Dougherty
um The first up is cinematographer. boy. Kisha? Genie and Phil?
01:22:30
Brandon
Yeah, I think Kucha, yeah, that sounds about right.
01:22:30
Kevin Dougherty
I kind of knew it. Yeah, K-S-U-S-H-A. Yeah, whose work in 16mm film takes horror back to celluloid.
01:22:36
Brandon
Yeah.
01:22:41
Kevin Dougherty
So she's ah i guess she's a cinematographer. um So the I don't know what she's worked on, but that was one that was like, hey, like we appreciate the work that this person's been doing.
01:22:55
Kevin Dougherty
And the same thing with the second one.
01:22:56
Brandon
Yeah.
01:22:57
Kevin Dougherty
um They are... um
01:23:00
Brandon
Oh my God, you see this guy's mutton chops?
01:23:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, fucking re he's really going for it. ah
01:23:06
Brandon
Yeah.
01:23:07
Kevin Dougherty
Curtis Rx. He works for Severin Films as a resident archivist and preservationist. So these aren't people that you would like you know no necessarily.
01:23:21
Kevin Dougherty
in
01:23:22
Brandon
They're the unsung heroes.
01:23:23
Kevin Dougherty
yeah exactly. yeah People that you that wouldn't get recognition otherwise that are just kind of keeping film alive. and And, you know, that that sort of thing.
01:23:35
Brandon
It's kind of a big deal.
01:23:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:23:37
Brandon
So...
01:23:37
Kevin Dougherty
So I appreciate that award.
01:23:37
Brandon
um
01:23:40
Kevin Dougherty
It's cool to like fake like, that there's still people that are like, really love like love film itself, and are really trying to keep keep it alive.
01:23:44
Brandon
Yeah.
01:23:48
Brandon
Yeah.
01:23:50
Kevin Dougherty
And so not everything's digital these days. Yeah.
01:23:53
Brandon
Yeah. No, it's a very big deal. and Yeah, I didn't know like what that really meant, but now that you explain it, I'm actually really glad that they have that. um
01:24:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I wish they would have, hold on, I wish they would have explained what they did.
01:24:03
Brandon
The next category... yeah
01:24:08
Kevin Dougherty
I had to go and look them up.
01:24:10
Brandon
Oh, yeah.
01:24:11
Kevin Dougherty
It's just like eyeball award and yet it's just their name.
01:24:12
Brandon
Rather than just show their pictures.
01:24:15
Kevin Dougherty
I'm sure they probably do on the ah on the award ah video itself, the you know the presentations, they probably talk about it. But when you're presenting it in written form, you need to tell people what they do.
01:24:29
Kevin Dougherty
You can't just say eyeball award one, eyeball award two, and just put the person's name.
01:24:33
Brandon
That's what they did, Kev.
01:24:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, I know. That's what they did.
01:24:36
Brandon
to Rather than just share the guy with his mutton chops, but...
01:24:37
Kevin Dougherty
ah like You can't just do that. like Tell me what you've given them an award for. You know mean? like
01:24:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. I want to skip the next category real quick.
01:24:47
Brandon
Mm-hmm.
01:24:49
Kevin Dougherty
I want to do that one last. ah So Best Kill, this one is a written written in ah thing. There isn't a specific like list or anything you have to write in for this one. and So there isn't like a nominee list.
01:25:03
Kevin Dougherty
But apparently enough people liked the shower scene from Terrifier 3. believe as the
01:25:11
Brandon
I kind of like don't remember that kill.
01:25:14
Kevin Dougherty
ah believe
01:25:15
Brandon
I can't really say.
01:25:17
Kevin Dougherty
uh i'm pretty sure when you if you were watching again you wouldn't you wouldn't know it yeah
01:25:21
Brandon
i would know. Yeah, I just don't. I just don't remember it But yeah.
01:25:26
Kevin Dougherty
yeah a lot of times when this comes up i'm like oh god i was like i can never think of like what the best kill the year was you know mean like yeah
01:25:34
Brandon
Yeah, well, um my mind's kind of, like, in a hole right now. god I've been watching ah the Slasher up series, um and, like, there's been, like, a whole bunch of, like, very creative, very impressive, and very gory kills.
01:25:51
Brandon
So, like, my mind's already going to that. We're probably going to talk a little bit about that in future casts. But ah the final category, I was going to let you explain.
01:26:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so
Public Domain Resurrection and Adaptations
01:26:02
Kevin Dougherty
last year the category was Best Amityville Movie.
01:26:02
Brandon
Yeah.
01:26:07
Brandon
Yeah.
01:26:07
Kevin Dougherty
ah And it was just like, it just happened to be a year where there was a bunch of movies that came out that had the title Amityville in it, which we discussed.
01:26:16
Brandon
And this year, there are several Amityville movies, too, just to just to put it out there.
01:26:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
01:26:23
Brandon
I've already found in 2025, there were at least three Amityville movies that did not start as Amityville movies. They were given the title after they were already finished.
01:26:35
Brandon
I have no fucking idea how that works. But anyway, been interesting.
01:26:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I believe we discussed this last time where it was like, the only way like maybe to get that movie more recognition is just to throw that title on there because anybody can use that title because it's a public domain.
01:26:51
Brandon
Yeah.
01:26:52
Kevin Dougherty
And which brings us to this category, which is Best Public Domain Resurrection. So any... thing that's been in public domain in the past, like recently, which was like, you know, the original Popeye, the original Mickey Mouse or technically Steamboat Willie and Peter Pan, I believe Popeye, if I already said that.
01:27:15
Brandon
Sugar me timbers.
01:27:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they were all made into horror movies. I think there was a Winnie the Pooh one as well. Yeah.
01:27:23
Brandon
Oh yeah, Winnie the Pooh and Winnie the Pooh Part 2.
01:27:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:27:26
Brandon
I tried to get you to watch both of them and you were like, nah.
01:27:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, watch I'm surprised there aren't on this list. I'm not interested in seeing any of these, honestly, but it's funny that there's a category for this. ah But it's a The nominees were Popeye's Revenge, The Mousetrap, Popeye the Slayer Man, Screamboat, Shiver Me tins yeah chevroomry Timbers, and Peter Pan's Neverland Nightmare.
01:27:44
Brandon
but Two Popeye movies.
01:27:52
Kevin Dougherty
Obviously, there's two Popeyes. Mousetrap and Screamboat are both Mickey Mouse. um Peter Pan, obviously. Peter Pan. Which one's Shiver Me Timbers?
01:28:02
Brandon
i have no I have no idea. I was just thinking, like, i don't really see Popeye as being, like, a horror figure. But then again, i don't really see Winnie the Pooh as being a horror figure either.
01:28:14
Brandon
So...
01:28:14
Kevin Dougherty
or Or Mickey Mouse.
01:28:16
Brandon
Well, I mean, I could kind of see that. well i I think of Mickey Mouse. Well, I'm thinking of Mickey Mouse from South Park, where he's like the crazy Mickey Mouse.
01:28:24
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, it's...
01:28:28
Brandon
He breathes fire and has people whacked and shit like that.
01:28:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:28:32
Brandon
So I'm thinking of the South Park Mickey Mouse.
01:28:35
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, so obviously Shiver Me Timbers was Popeye as well. So there's three Popeye movies.
01:28:40
Brandon
Three Popeye movies, huh.
01:28:42
Kevin Dougherty
ah Two Mickey Mouse movies and a Peter Pan movie, and Screamboat won that one. So take that what what you will.
01:28:51
Brandon
Yeah.
01:28:52
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I can't believe they made three Popeyes.
01:28:53
Brandon
I think that this is a much better category than Best Amityville.
01:28:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because again, Amityville is just you're throwing the fucking name out there.
01:29:00
Brandon
yeah
01:29:04
Brandon
meanma Yeah, no, so to say open domain, like, that, yeah, I agree with that.
01:29:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:29:10
Brandon
Um, actually, you explained it really well. I did not, like, when I, when you told me about this category, I was like, what the fuck does that, and you're like, we'll talk about in the cast.
01:29:20
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:29:20
Brandon
And, uh, yeah, no, that makes a lot more sense. I think that they should probably do that, um, next year as well, rather than say, like, best, uh,
01:29:32
Brandon
scream movie or something like, you know what mean?
01:29:34
Kevin Dougherty
yeah i guess it depends on i guess it depends on what they how many of a certain thing comes out next year really so yeah and
01:29:34
Brandon
Like, that's maybe just made no sense.
01:29:42
Brandon
out but Yeah, I guess if it's like, crazy I would still say that like open domain, like that makes more sense. People can understand.
01:29:50
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:29:52
Brandon
I'm just kind of curious. I'm going to check out the trailers afterwards to see what ah three horror Popeye movies came right here.
01:30:00
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:30:02
Brandon
That's like pretty bizarre. I wonder if they were done by the same person. or i don'll know like i don't know if there's anything Popeye that came out this year where they were like piggybacking off the success of a Popeye film.
01:30:16
Brandon
But I'm pretty sure there was no Popeye thing that got released.
01:30:19
Kevin Dougherty
They probably all came out like last year. They were just like, oh, as soon as but as soon as something goes in public public domain, people are like immediately rushing to fucking put that shit out.
01:30:30
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:30:30
Kevin Dougherty
Like, there's probably shit, like, written already for shit that doesn't come get available to public domain for, like, years from now. And they're just, like, waiting for it to be public the domain so they can be the first ones to fucking get to production.
01:30:43
Kevin Dougherty
You know what mean? Like, I wouldn't be surprised if people, like, started filming stuff before it came to public domain. So then as soon as it comes
Conclusion and Farewell
01:30:51
Kevin Dougherty
to public domain, they can just be like, bam, we're the first ones out the gate. You what mean? So...
01:30:55
Brandon
Well, I mean, Nosveratu would have been called Dracula if it wasn't for, like, domain rights, like, back then, you know what I mean? Like, because that's what they originally wanted to call Nosveratu was Dracula, but he couldn't get rights from the widow.
01:31:08
Kevin Dougherty
Well, yeah, then but then but then they got sued and all the copies were supposed to be destroyed and then they happened to save some copies to to later release it when it was in the public domain.
01:31:10
Brandon
ah with
01:31:15
Brandon
Yeah.
01:31:21
Kevin Dougherty
So, yeah, what they technically filmed that ah illegally.
01:31:22
Brandon
Yeah.
01:31:25
Kevin Dougherty
you know well
01:31:26
Brandon
yeah
01:31:27
Kevin Dougherty
yeah But, yeah, that's ah that wraps it up for this year's Chainsaw Awards. So thanks for joining us. You can follow us on the social medias. I don't know if you had any ah final thoughts.
01:31:42
Brandon
ah No, i'm ah yeah this ah well we're already ah about an hour and a half in, so I was going to talk a little bit about what ah I've seen recently, but I'm going to save that for next time. So thank you for joining us.
01:31:57
Brandon
Follow us on all the necessary stuff, and good night and good luck.
01:32:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and ah happy Halloween, everyone, because we probably won't be back till since Halloween's next week.
01:32:05
Brandon
Okay.
01:32:08
Kevin Dougherty
We'll be back ah shortly after Halloween. And ah maybe we'll go through like some of the movies we watched or the haunts we've gone to or something.
01:32:17
Brandon
Well, the haunts you've gone to.
01:32:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:32:18
Brandon
Anyway. All right.
01:32:19
Kevin Dougherty
All right.
01:32:21
Brandon
Be safe, everybody.
01:32:22
Kevin Dougherty
Happy Halloween. Peace.
01:32:24
Brandon
Cheers.