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Catch-up and News
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Kevin Dougherty
all right welcome back to fright central i'm doc back here again as always with keck uh how's it going buddy all
00:00:26
Keck
I told you not to ask me that anymore. Don't ask me how it's going. is going bad, Doc. is going bad.
00:00:33
Kevin Dougherty
right can you can you not scream into your uh microphone you're really you're spiking the levels man back up back up uh
00:00:37
Keck
I try not to.
00:00:41
Keck
I know, man. I told you not to ask me how I'm doing. That's how I'm doing. It's very loud and it's very but Actually, it's not that bad. i'm fucking away yeah ah How are you doing?
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Keck
What's been going on with you?
00:00:53
Kevin Dougherty
All right.
00:00:54
Keck
I know you've been watching a lot the content recently and you have a lot of news. So.
00:00:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, we've been falling behind on our actual cast.
00:01:00
Keck
ah
00:01:02
Kevin Dougherty
well We're going to talk about Silo in a bit, but I do have a few news items that I want to get through first.
Horror Remakes Discussion
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Kevin Dougherty
ah First of all, Dexter Origins has been renewed for season two.
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Keck
Yep.
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Kevin Dougherty
um
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Keck
I did see that.
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Kevin Dougherty
They are remaking Resident Evil again. Yeah.
00:01:18
Keck
i don't That I don't understand. Well, I think they're making, they're remaking the original game and they're remaking the original movie.
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Kevin Dougherty
The movie.
00:01:31
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah.
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Keck
Yeah.
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Kevin Dougherty
It's going to be Zach Krieger who did a Barbarian.
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Keck
Yeah.
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Kevin Dougherty
So he's doing that. so And then speaking of...
00:01:39
Keck
I like Barbarian. Yeah.
00:01:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, Barbarian was great. ah Paul Anderson who did Resident he's remaking House of the Dead, which was awful.
00:01:48
Keck
God, bring it... I'll avoid my ah Event Horizon fucking sidebar that'll take up the entire cast, but that's awesome.
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Kevin Dougherty
We all
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:01:58
Keck
i didn
Predator Franchise Updates
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Keck
I didn't know that Anderson had anything in the works.
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:02:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, so he's doing that, but I mean, he hasn't done anything great since Event Horizon, in my opinion. What else do I got?
00:02:12
Keck
Yeah.
00:02:13
Kevin Dougherty
um There's no Friday the 13th news, besides my officially Crystal Lake news.
00:02:17
Keck
Yeah, well, yeah, there's no Crystal Lake news, no Friday the 13th news. We promised we'd always bring it up in discussion, news or not. And hey, no news is sort of, in a way, news.
00:02:31
Keck
News that this shit's never going to happen.
00:02:36
Keck
Because i again, i do not believe Crystal Lake is ever going to happen.
00:02:36
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, they did officially...
00:02:41
Keck
I think at some point they're going to cut their losses. I hope somebody goes to jail for this shit because there is all, dude, there's all kinds of like, if you read about it, there's all kinds of like criminal activity.
00:02:55
Keck
They were talking about fucking money laundering and embezzlement. Like how fucking, you know, they called it Camp Blood. You know, they said it was cursed. And apparently it you know, moved into like a reality. And yeah, the franchise is fucking cursed.
00:03:14
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I did see that new ah camp slasher comedy, Hell of a Summer.
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Keck
We're never seeing any Friday the 13th content ever.
00:03:22
Kevin Dougherty
thought that was pretty funny. That's out in theaters now.
00:03:25
Keck
I saw a movie on Tubi the other night called Don't Fuck in the Woods.
00:03:31
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, I heard of that one.
00:03:32
Keck
Part two.
00:03:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:34
Keck
So that means it was very low budget. So someone made the low budget first one. And I guess there was enough interest that they felt that it merited a second edition.
00:03:47
Keck
no Anyway, moving on.
00:03:51
Kevin Dougherty
ah the um I do have two prior to and news. They both ah announced the release date for the movie and they just dropped the trailer for the anime TV series.
00:04:03
Kevin Dougherty
um TV series, well, it's not a TV series. It's an anthology movie. ah It's going to be released on Hulu June 6th and it's going to be three different stories.
00:04:14
Kevin Dougherty
One following a Viking, one following a ninja, and one following a World War II pilot.
00:04:18
Keck
Yep. Yeah. The World War II pilots sounded real interesting as well as the ninja.
00:04:19
Kevin Dougherty
And...
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Keck
um The Viking is interesting.
00:04:25
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:04:27
Keck
Well, they all sound interesting because the Viking, as I understand, is a female Viking.
Exploring Predator Lore
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah it's her ah guiding her young son on a bloody quest for revenge yeah and then yeah
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Keck
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, we all know, like, I mean, Samurais and Predators are always good matches. ah you know, that was kind of a a no brainer.
00:04:50
Keck
I thought it was going to all take place in a or um in Asia for some reason. I had heard a rumor that it was going to be like an Asian cast mostly, um but ah it was only a rumor apparently.
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Kevin Dougherty
i
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I think that was one of the rumors of somebody that wanted to do like a Predator first samurai movie.
00:05:11
Keck
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:05:11
Kevin Dougherty
And yeah, that was yeah that was just a rumor.
00:05:13
Keck
I mean, I can understand the allure to that.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
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Keck
You know, I think what happened is somebody heard about this.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:05:20
Keck
They knew that a samurai or, yeah well, they described it in the literature I read as a ninja.
00:05:27
Kevin Dougherty
and and
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Keck
And ninja and samurai are two very different fighting styles.
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah
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Kevin Dougherty
Well, this is a ninja in feudal Japan who turns against his samurai brother in a brutal battle for succession.
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Keck
They...
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Keck
Okay, so we got ninjas and samurai mixing it up.
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Kevin Dougherty
manla Yes, yes.
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Keck
Because, like, the ninjas were, like, the solution to the samurai because nobody wanted to fight samurai one-on-one combat.
00:05:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:05:51
Keck
And, like, ninjas relied on stealth assassinations and poisons, you know? So, anyway.
00:05:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, the only thing I didn't like about the trailer that they released was the the way the Predator looked. I think he looked too big.
00:06:04
Keck
I did not watch the trailer. I only saw still images, and I gotta say, I didn't really like the look of it at all.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, if you look he looked like Bane.
00:06:14
Keck
But I am glad it's happening, I guess.
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
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Keck
But, like, the Predator, like, didn't look like the Yatcha in the movies at all.
00:06:22
Kevin Dougherty
I hope that's just like one of them and not
00:06:25
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:26
Kevin Dougherty
the only one. I hope there's couple different designs.
00:06:29
Keck
And perhaps that could be like, I'm still not sure how the predators or the Yacha, I'm not sure how they reproduce. I don't know if there's, if ah they're able to reproduce like, um like hermaphroditic in a sense, like if they can, there's different clans, but I don't know if there's different genders is what I mean.
00:06:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, we know there's different clans and there's different sizes. So, yeah.
00:06:53
Keck
I don't know if predators fuck.
00:06:54
Kevin Dougherty
you Basically, you want to see Predator's fuck, is what you're saying.
00:06:58
Keck
No, I don't want to see that. What I'm saying is, is that I'm unaware as to whether or not the Yatcha have genders. And because of that, I was saying that like maybe in um the series, like
Introducing 'Silo' Series
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Keck
that's like supposed to be a female predator, maybe like, you know, humans, like we have different like features from women. So I'm just, you know, that's just my theory. That's like my hope is that the predators are not all going to look like that.
00:07:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, me
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Keck
I'm hoping that, or maybe that's like a baby predator or like a real old predator. They like turned into that. Like, i don't know, but
00:07:41
Kevin Dougherty
He looks like Bigger Reacher from the Jack Racher show.
00:07:44
Keck
yeah. Yes.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:46
Keck
Yeah. That's yeah.
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah
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Keck
That's actually, that's actually a really, really, really good comparison.
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah
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Keck
Yeah.
00:07:53
Kevin Dougherty
And then the Prerator Badlands is scheduled to release November 7th, and that takes place in the future on a remote planet. A young Prerator, outcast from his clan, finds an unlikey unlikely ally and Tia, who's played by Ellie Fanon, and embarks on a treacherous journey in search of the ultimate adversary.
00:08:12
Kevin Dougherty
it looks like it's going to a young Prerator teaming up with a human.
00:08:12
Keck
Yeah.
00:08:19
Keck
The um interesting thing, well, I guess it's not really interesting at all. um I was just trying to find um for Predator Badlands if they had like um a detailed cast.
00:08:35
Keck
And the only one i see is Ellie Fanning.
00:08:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's it.
00:08:39
Keck
That's the only confirmed cast member.
00:08:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because supposedly this is supposed to be more of a ah ah from the Predator's perspective. So there's only going to be a road.
00:08:48
Keck
But it's not going to be the Predator and just one woman, right? what
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:08:55
Keck
that's so So it's like a love story?
00:08:58
Kevin Dougherty
No, it's not a love story. It's ah it's ah it's a buddy cop movie more more of anything. You know, it's ah it's an unlikely ally team. and up I mean, I don't i haven't seen the trailer yet, and yeah, i'd like you said, that's the only cast manager.
00:09:08
Keck
Well, they teamed up at the end of ah Predator vs. Alien.
00:09:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:09:13
Keck
I mean, you went to see that in theaters and you came back and i was like, I remember asking you, how was it? And the grin on your face. And you're like, well, it had some good parts and it had some not so good parts.
00:09:27
Keck
And i was like, well, tell me the not so good part.
00:09:28
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
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Keck
And you're like, well, you know, at the end, there was sort of like almost of romance between.
00:09:36
Kevin Dougherty
It was.
00:09:37
Keck
And that's when I was just like,
00:09:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:09:39
Keck
Fuck that. I am not ever seeing that shit. I eventually cracked and saw it. It's not that bad when you go back and watch it, but I definitely would not have gone in that direction.
00:09:46
Kevin Dougherty
No, it's not.
00:09:51
Kevin Dougherty
No.
00:09:51
Keck
um i would have made things different, but...
00:09:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:09:54
Keck
Yeah, what you going to So this is Ali Fanning teaming up with a Predator, not like getting into a romantic relationship in the Predator.
00:10:03
Kevin Dougherty
no
00:10:04
Keck
Not doing like a tequila sunrise, like we're going to have one Predator and one human in an apartment for 90 minutes.
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:10:13
Keck
Let's see where we go. Actually, I'm not sure if that was tequila sunrise. I think I might be mistaken Carnage, but anyway.
00:10:18
Kevin Dougherty
or We're going to see how predators reproduce. They fuck humans.
00:10:25
Keck
That's disgusting. Although Olivia Mund in that abomination that ah Black had made.
00:10:31
Kevin Dougherty
We don't talk about that one.
00:10:32
Keck
ah yeah We try not to talk. But Olivia Mund said, the question is, did somebody fuck a did somebody fucking an alien? I think that's what that was her quote, you know, because they were saying there.
00:10:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:10:46
Keck
But you yeah, we shouldn't talk about that.
00:10:50
Kevin Dougherty
but God, I hate that one.
00:10:50
Keck
Jake Busey.
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Kevin Dougherty
but
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Keck
Jake Busey. That was the good thing about that.
00:10:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I was so hyped up for his character because he was playing ah Gary Busey's son in the movie.
00:11:01
Keck
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
00:11:03
Kevin Dougherty
there And then it was like a two minute scene and you had no idea that they were even supposed to be related.
00:11:04
Keck
Yeah.
00:11:08
Kevin Dougherty
And they just fuck and you were like, what the fuck? like That was the only good scene was that it was when they had him in that fucking lab.
00:11:13
Keck
yeah
00:11:14
Kevin Dougherty
And like that was it.
00:11:15
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:11:16
Keck
I would have, I would have brought, you know what they should have done? Cause it was just such a fucking mess. He should have just came in with the shit eating grin that he like permanently has on his face. Like he can't wipe it off.
00:11:27
Keck
Like I bet if I was chopping his toes off, he would be trying to stop and scream, but he would still be shit eating grinning at me.
00:11:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:11:35
Keck
I would have had him come up to Livia Mund and just shake her hand and be like, I'm Jake Busey and just leave.
00:11:35
Kevin Dougherty
but like like
00:11:42
Keck
Yeah. Just and no explanation. why
00:11:48
Kevin Dougherty
Like Dr. Dolph Lundgren, I'm Dr.
00:11:50
Keck
Yeah, Dr.
00:11:50
Kevin Dougherty
J. Ducey.
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Kevin Dougherty
He hangs
00:11:59
Keck
He also might get down on all fours and crawl like a dog. Oh, boy. he oh boy ah yeah
00:12:13
Kevin Dougherty
Anyway, let's get into our main topic tonight.
In-depth 'Silo' Analysis
00:12:15
Kevin Dougherty
Let's talk about Silo. ah
00:12:17
Keck
Silo, yes. ah yeah You really shouldn't have brought up Dr. Dolph Lundgren. You know that. tech But, um you know, hey, silo Silo is, it's not a comedy.
00:12:30
Kevin Dougherty
No. ah Yeah.
00:12:31
Keck
There's not much funny about, apparently on, uh, on forums now, anything can be a comedy. If there's something that makes you laugh once in it, apparently that qualifies as a comedy, but, uh, you know, Silo, it doesn't have, uh, much fun going for it.
00:12:45
Kevin Dougherty
Or if there isn't.
00:12:51
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Or if you're trying to win an award, just put it in the comedy musical section. Yeah.
00:12:55
Keck
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's another thing. But um I know that you had told me um privately that you really felt... um with Well, first off, there's two seasons of Silo, and we're going to be talking about both of them kind of as one tonight, because season one, ah or season two, rather, takes place directly after ah season one.
00:13:25
Keck
So it's got, the you know, total continuity throughout. But I know you are really feeling it. So do you want to lead us off? Like, I know your initial impressions were very good.
00:13:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, why don't I start with just the basic premise? It's basically, um if you saw a Fallout, you know, and they're in the they're in the silo, but they don't ever leave the silo.
00:13:44
Keck
Yeah.
00:13:47
Kevin Dougherty
So it's a dystopian future where a community exists in a giant silo that extends 144 stories underground with like 10,000 people living society bound by regulations they believe are meant to protect them.
00:13:47
Keck
Yeah.
00:14:00
Keck
Yeah.
00:14:00
Kevin Dougherty
And that's the basic plot. And it basically follows Rebecca Ferguson, who's like an engineer. And she gets like brought up to like the top to take over for a police officer, for a sheriff or whatever that would like left her in charge for some mysterious reason we don't know.
00:14:22
Kevin Dougherty
And she's basically trying to figure out, you know, the not only like why he was like killed, But like, is it, are they, are the higher ups lying to them about the outside world? And is is it safe to go out?
00:14:41
Keck
Yeah, what's what's what's the sheriff you're talking about that died?
00:14:41
Kevin Dougherty
And, uh...
00:14:45
Keck
The one that um asked to ah leave because his wife Rashida Jones' character left? Is that who you're talking about?
00:14:56
Kevin Dougherty
It was the very first season and it was like the first episode.
00:14:57
Keck
Or, because that...
00:15:00
Keck
Yeah, no, it was the first episode.
00:15:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:15:03
Keck
Yeah, ah the sheriff, thought his wife Rashida Jones' character, I can't remember her name, so...
00:15:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:15:08
Keck
just calling her Shia Jones. ah She was actually um featured on the Silo cover art that I saw, yet she's only in one episode. So that was kind of weird. And she's only in the episode for...
00:15:24
Keck
like half the episode, I think, or no, I think she's in it for a full episode, but that's it. She's in it for one episode. She starts going a little bit crazy because she realizes that, um, in the silo, obviously they have to use population control, um, because there's limited space and there's limited resources.
00:15:48
Keck
And, whatchamacall, so they, to prevent like, um, people from not breaking this rule, they put like a contraceptive measure, surgically implanted, like into the woman's ovaries or, you know it's some technology that basically makes, uh, getting pregnant impossible.
00:16:13
Keck
And her character goes to get the surgery to have it removed because like, In China, the control population, like you could have one children, like this family could do it on an odd year. And then you had that, like they had crazy rules. So um she gets the device taken out.
00:16:33
Keck
At least she thinks she does. And so she tries to have a baby.
00:16:34
Kevin Dougherty
Thank you.
00:16:37
Keck
She then realizes that the device was never removed because she cuts it out of her own flesh. And, you know, that kind of proved that like, cause her husband thinks she's crazy.
00:16:51
Keck
Um, you know, and you know, I also thought she was probably mentally unhinged as well. Just stir crazy from being underground for so long, but I don't want to beat on this too much, but I thought that this was like one of the major topics in that is that,
00:17:10
Keck
You had said they're not really sure that the higher-ups are there to protect them. I mean, that is absolute evidence that you know they're being lied to and their bodies are being manipulated in such a way. And not only being manipulated, but like... They're also the psychological impact of telling a couple you're free to go start a family and knowing that you're lying to them and they have no hope. I mean, yeah, I mean, that's just dread and despair. Like I saw like them living in the silo. Like the first thing I do is say, I want to go out.
00:17:48
Keck
Like there's no way i would want to live in that kind – environment and that kind of social construct.
00:17:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and that's basically what um ah his name's Holston Becker. It's played by David Alello. I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that right. I'm probably not.
00:18:06
Keck
Yeah, yeah.
00:18:07
Kevin Dougherty
But he's been at a bunch of stuff. ah I'm going to go through his IMDB list. But yeah, he basically says to his deputy that, what was it, Will Patton, I believe? He's like, i want I want to go out.
00:18:17
Keck
I think I think so.
00:18:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Will Patton. Yeah. ah that he wants That he wants to go out.
00:18:24
Keck
Who I was – he he ah I thought died prematurely as well. Like I love him. He's been in tons of stuff. And I was hoping that we'd at least – he'd stay out the first season. But I think he dies like a couple episodes in two or three episodes in, something like that. they Which was kind of cool in a way because like they obviously weren't afraid to like kill off like some of the better-known actors.
00:18:45
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, they had a lot of lot of classic actors.
00:18:54
Keck
um you know
00:18:56
Kevin Dougherty
and like Tim Robbins is in this.
00:18:58
Keck
yeah
00:18:59
Kevin Dougherty
Ian Glenn from ah Game of Thrones most recently.
00:19:01
Keck
Common, who you know some people debate whether or not like his acting and music are equal.
00:19:03
Kevin Dougherty
um yeah
00:19:08
Keck
I think Common is a pretty good actor, to be honest. And I thought that he was really good in this role.
00:19:11
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, I think so too.
00:19:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:15
Keck
So I actually, i don't even know Common's music, but like I, I've seen them in the series Hell on Wheels.
00:19:16
Kevin Dougherty
but Yeah. And like.
00:19:26
Keck
And I thought, well, up to a point, like he was really good, but like the writing went crazy.
00:19:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:32
Keck
um But yeah, I thought he was excellent in this part. um Do you want to kind of explain the shadow system? Because that was really interesting to me.
00:19:46
Kevin Dougherty
Do you mean like...
00:19:47
Keck
You know what I'm talking about?
00:19:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:19:48
Keck
Like every person who has a job of importance in the silo, everyone has task, you know, something that they do.
00:19:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:58
Keck
It's basically an ant colony
Secrets and Tensions in 'Silo'
00:20:00
Keck
of humans. And ah each person of like, you know, particular importance will select a shadow. And that's basically like somebody that shadows them.
00:20:14
Keck
They watch exactly what they do.
00:20:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:20:16
Keck
They see not only what they do, but they also observe the decisions they make, like what's effective and what's not. And at some point, that person will retire and that the shadow will then take over that position. Hopefully, you know.
00:20:34
Keck
Filling in well, because it seemed like the shadow period ah would go on for several years before that person stepped down and retired. So it seemed like it was a pretty thorough process.
00:20:49
Keck
that they were going to really train the shadows hard. And then after that person got into their position, they would then name a shadow. So it was sort of like a continuity thing because the last thing they wanted to happen is like a major engineer or a major station chief, a head of security, something happens, they die. There's no time for like an election process. you need to have gaps filled immediately.
00:21:21
Keck
There cannot be democracy in that society. So anyway, I know I asked you to explain it, but you seemed like you didn't know what I was talking about at first.
00:21:29
Kevin Dougherty
No, I'm glad you did. Yeah.
00:21:31
Keck
Yeah, yep.
00:21:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:21:33
Kevin Dougherty
I thought you were talking about like ah Common's role and like, you know, like Tim, Tim Robbins is basically like the head of the silo, but there's like, there's other departments like to judicial, which Common is like the the head security for judicial.
00:21:33
Keck
but
00:21:44
Keck
yeah yeah
00:21:48
Keck
Yep.
00:21:52
Kevin Dougherty
And I think he wanted,
00:21:54
Keck
I think he was like head security for the entire silo, but like he was also, i think his station was at judicial.
00:21:59
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:22:04
Keck
Yeah. Because he, he spoke for the judge.
00:22:05
Kevin Dougherty
yeah because then they also have like the regular they have like the regular police as well but i think they mostly police like the lower levels we where officials like kind of the upper level area
00:22:10
Keck
Yeah.
00:22:14
Keck
Yeah. Well, No, every every area had like – yeah, they were like sheriffs for – they had – there was a sheriff, a main sheriff for the entire silo, and then that sheriff had deputies. And I think each level – had a deputy, but then they had, like, the security, um, they had sentries, you know, ah SWAT teams, and, like, full body armor, and shit like that, and so, yeah, there were different degrees of security, but it all ultimately was basically, came down to common being head of, you know, all these different branches.
00:22:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:57
Keck
I think he... Sorry. i think he ah controlled um the
00:23:05
Keck
I think he controlled both the sheriff's department and the what were the raiders. They were called raiders. Sorry. I was calling them sentries. I believe he ah controlled both of them.
00:23:19
Keck
And then Tim Robbins was like the overlord. who is an interesting character to me because like he does really evil shit, but at the same time, it seemed like he legitimately was doing evil manipulative shit to keep people safe.
00:23:41
Keck
What do you think about that?
00:23:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, at least from his perspective, that's what he was ah trying to do anyway. And if you basically disagree, like, with him, or whatever, like, he could basically say, like, oh, they like, you said you wanted to go out.
00:24:03
Kevin Dougherty
I heard you say it you know, and
00:24:03
Keck
Yeah. Well, he I guess we should probably talk about that. ah That's kind of a a big point.
00:24:09
Kevin Dougherty
It is tough to talk about this series. um You know, it's tough to kind of go into super detail about this because there's so many characters and they all have, like, great backstories to it.
00:24:15
Keck
Yeah.
00:24:21
Kevin Dougherty
So it's like, I feel like, ah like, talking about one person, I'm going to leave somebody else out and they're an integral part of the story.
00:24:22
Keck
yeah yeah Yeah.
00:24:28
Kevin Dougherty
You know what I mean? it So it's kind of just generalized, I kind of try to generalize, like, the basic story plots of, like,
00:24:30
Keck
Yeah. It's hard.
00:24:37
Kevin Dougherty
What going out meant was like, you thought that the air was going to be clean and your job was to go out there and, and clear off the screen, clear off the camera.
00:24:48
Kevin Dougherty
So people could see what, but you know, could see outside. It could see.
00:24:53
Keck
Well, it was a death sentence.
00:24:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. But it was basically does this because nobody made it more than like,
00:24:56
Keck
They wouldn't let you come back in. So you couldn't go like, you couldn't say like, I want to go out and clean the camera and then come right back in. If you say you want to go out, you're well, you're expelled from the site, you can never come back is basically
00:25:04
Kevin Dougherty
no. no
00:25:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but you basically like, and nobody ever made it over the hill that they can see from the camera view.
00:25:15
Keck
Yeah, exactly. And ah the other thing about it is like what you were touching on is if you said you wanted to go out, I think it had to be um you had to go out.
00:25:29
Keck
Like if you said that and people heard you, you had to go out.
00:25:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:25:33
Keck
And I believe it required two witnesses. Yeah.
00:25:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:25:36
Keck
So if somebody said, you know, they want to go out and two people hear it and they go to judicial or whatever and they said, yes, I'm a witness. They said they wanted to go out.
00:25:48
Keck
And yeah, Tim Robbins was an authority figure. So, yeah, he would just say, all right, this person said they want to go out common. You heard them, right? Yeah.
00:25:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:57
Keck
All right. peace Yeah.
00:25:58
Kevin Dougherty
Or like any one of his lackeys. Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:01
Keck
But, like, he genuinely seemed like he was doing terrible things, including you find out that him and the judge ah were in love and, like, he murders her.
00:26:01
Kevin Dougherty
You're
00:26:18
Keck
And he loves her.
00:26:18
Kevin Dougherty
talking about Tim Robinson, right?
00:26:20
Keck
But yeah, Tim Robbins murders the love of his life.
00:26:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:24
Keck
um And, you know, he cries and he is broken up about. But like you could tell he really believes that what he is doing is necessary for the greater good.
00:26:37
Keck
And so I can't really describe him as like an evil character. He's sort of...
00:26:41
Kevin Dougherty
yeah because they've all been down there for like generations now so like none of them have actually been outside so the people that are in charge think they're doing the right thing that was passed down from them that did this this is what the information we have and this is what we know we can't let anybody go out and they're holding secrets about like
00:26:42
Keck
Yeah.
00:26:45
Keck
Yeah.
00:26:48
Keck
Uh-oh.
00:27:00
Keck
yeah
00:27:05
Kevin Dougherty
not Not just like, you know, because they don't allow people to to carry like old tech because they don't want people, you know, like, you know, um what do they call them in the show? um You know, when they find like all objects from past times from the outside world.
00:27:21
Keck
Relics.
00:27:22
Kevin Dougherty
Relics, yes. They don't want people to...
00:27:23
Keck
Relics. Like a PEZ dispenser to get you killed.
00:27:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. They don't want people to own these things because they don't want people to fantasize about going out into the world and possibly, you know, ruining...
00:27:35
Keck
Well, it's all stated in the order, which is what you were talking about.
00:27:35
Kevin Dougherty
And killing people. Yeah.
00:27:39
Keck
With the rule system, you're describing the order.
00:27:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:42
Keck
The order is the Bible for the Siloam.
00:27:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Pretty much, yeah.
00:27:45
Keck
It's not only the Bible, but it's also basically the Bible, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights. um It's all the rules that they live by. you know They talk about like reading the Bible at night or reading. reading the order at night with their family. So it's biblical and it's also like the guidelines of everything. And one of my favorite parts in the entire show so far is when Tim Robbins character
00:28:17
Keck
sees what happens when Juliet Nichols goes over the ridge. He runs in, and actually, i think something else might have also precipitated. yeah.
00:28:29
Keck
When she goes over the ridge, like, it gave them hope. Like, people were like, wait a minute, you know, this isn't bullshit. Maybe it is safe to go out there. So Tim Robbins goes into full-on panic because he realizes, and he's right, that that It is not safe to go out, but he's trying to keep calm in the silo because, um as Kevin was saying, like there had been like revolutions and uprisings in the past.
00:28:56
Keck
At least I thought you mentioned it. Maybe not.
00:28:58
Kevin Dougherty
Well, they do mention it in the, I think it's in part of the thing, in part of their Bible whatever, that there had been past rebellions and they had a plot for the rebellions.
00:29:02
Keck
Yeah. Yeah, they have their i mean they talked about the stories and the families and the people that led it.
00:29:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:29:10
Keck
But ah before it slips my mind, my favorite part so far is when he runs into like that secret room that's got all the controls and keys.
00:29:20
Keck
It looks like a super quantum computer or something, which essentially it seemed to be.
00:29:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:29:26
Keck
But he grabs his copy of The Order And he flips to the page of like what happens if somebody like goes out and doesn't clean because she goes up, she realizes that it's all bullshit.
00:29:42
Keck
She had seen the relics. She realizes that they're seeing like a holographic image projection. Their minds are all being manipulated. The silos are one giant head fuck.
00:29:53
Keck
And when she goes out and realizes it, she puts up the cloth, doesn't clean and drops
Production Design and Themes in 'Silo'
00:30:00
Keck
it. It sends everyone into a frenzy because that has never happened before in like 150 years.
00:30:11
Keck
That someone has gone out and not cleaned. So when Tim Robbins goes, he turns to the page in the order and it says like, what if somebody goes out and doesn't clean?
00:30:22
Keck
And there's like parentheses prepare for war.
00:30:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:30:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:30:27
Keck
And he's like, oh, and then there's like real ominous music. My favorite scene in the whole show so far.
00:30:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:33
Keck
Yeah.
00:30:35
Kevin Dougherty
it's It wasn't just about, like, not cleaning either. Like, she, like, went over the ridge and, like, as far as you know, she, like, survived longer than anybody else had.
00:30:43
Keck
Yeah, and that's what pissed everybody off.
00:30:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so they all thought it was safe to go out, but, like, what we find out
00:30:46
Keck
They were like, wait, this is bullshit. Yeah. We want to go out for some fucking air.
00:30:52
Kevin Dougherty
What we find out, it not only is like in the helmets, there's like a hologram. So when the person goes out, they make it look like it looks like everything's green and safe.
00:31:02
Keck
Was it in the helmet?
00:31:04
Kevin Dougherty
I think it was in the helmet when they went outside.
00:31:06
Keck
I thought it was like, um like ah I thought they had like a projection system or something outside.
00:31:09
Kevin Dougherty
Or they had it on. Oh, maybe maybe it was that. Yeah.
00:31:12
Keck
And like when they got like a certain distance away, the projection, the illusion was no longer effective. if So she broke through the barrier.
00:31:20
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, so when you go out, you think it's green, so that's why you clean the camera off.
00:31:24
Keck
Yeah.
00:31:24
Kevin Dougherty
You're hoping everybody else can see what you're seeing, but they can't.
00:31:27
Keck
Yeah.
00:31:28
Kevin Dougherty
They just see what's actually there, and it's a barren wasteland.
00:31:31
Keck
Yeah.
00:31:32
Kevin Dougherty
And yeah, she finds out that they've also been using like a shitty tape to keep the suit sealed.
00:31:37
Keck
Yeah. Yeah. Their thermal tape is bullshit and they know it's bullshit.
00:31:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because they don't want people to like, you know, wander out because, again, they don't want the the rebellion and they're right.
00:31:43
Keck
Yeah.
00:31:47
Kevin Dougherty
they It's not safe to go out.
00:31:48
Keck
Yeah, they are they are right.
00:31:49
Kevin Dougherty
don't They don't want it yet.
00:31:49
Keck
I mean, people can't go out. did The main thing is what really stresses them is that there's just so many lies that they're being pulled and they're aware that they're being lied to now.
00:31:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:03
Keck
And that's what's really frustrating. So I think like in the following, they're going to have to make a choice. Like they're going to have to either be straight up with people and tell them what's what, which could easily kill everybody because, you know, that's, yeah you never know how people are going to respond to the truth.
00:32:23
Keck
But in lies, you can often kind of like, I don't know, push the situation or you know, like, you know, so.
00:32:29
Kevin Dougherty
You can get everybody killed. Yeah.
00:32:35
Keck
Yeah.
00:32:36
Kevin Dougherty
Because that's pretty much what we find out in season two.
00:32:38
Keck
Yeah.
00:32:38
Kevin Dougherty
She goes to the she but goes over the ridge and she sees a bunch more silos and she goes to like the closest silo and she finds like a bunch of people that had just kind of rushed out and all died because they had...
00:32:50
Keck
Yeah. yeah Yeah.
00:32:51
Kevin Dougherty
And and she goes in, there's only...
00:32:52
Keck
There's, ah she's literally walking through like football fields of bodies.
00:32:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:32:57
Keck
Like maybe like, I don't know how close each silo is to one another.
00:32:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:33:05
Keck
Cause she finds out that there's 50 or 51 silos.
00:33:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, i don't know.
00:33:10
Keck
I think there's 50, it was either 50 or 51, but um she goes, I guess, to the closest silo where she is just walking through,
00:33:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:33:20
Keck
It seemed like a mile of corpses. Like, you know, she was crushing skulls with every step sheet.
00:33:23
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:33:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and she she goes in and like she so she finds out there was a rebellion there and it got everybody killed and there was only a handful survivors still left inside there scrounging for scraps while one IT guy locked himself in the and and the room and
00:33:30
Keck
Yeah.
00:33:38
Keck
Yep.
00:33:41
Keck
I personally thought the IT guy being in that room, like, that could happen because he had all the resources to sustain. That place, I got the impression that that rebellion had happened at least years ago Because there were, like, vines. Like, the silo itself had gotten penetrated by underground roots and stuff like that.
00:34:09
Keck
Like, that shit had been abandoned for a while. Like, I think 35 floors of the silo were even flooded.
00:34:18
Kevin Dougherty
yeah down at the bottom i think it was like
00:34:18
Keck
So, like, I mean, that shit had been abandoned for a while.
00:34:24
Kevin Dougherty
i think we find out that well i'm not sure how old steven zane's character is the it got that we find in the second he was fantastic by the way um and he's mostly known for like his comedy roles so that was a good uh change for him but uh
00:34:33
Keck
yeah
00:34:41
Kevin Dougherty
He like, yeah, I think he he was like five or six when it happened. Because like that's, you find out that like, yeah, when you you find out that he was like in middle, in like elementary school or whatever they had there when when it happened, because he was taken from his school and and put in into the IT department.
00:34:47
Keck
Yeah, he was really little. um he He wasn't adept enough to even know what was going on.
00:34:58
Keck
Yeah.
00:35:05
Keck
Did that make sense to you, though, the timeline? Because to me, that silo looked like it could have been abandoned for hundreds of years. Like, you know, I've seen underground bunkers from like World War war one that looked like in much better condition.
00:35:25
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:35:25
Keck
that And they had been abandoned for over 100 years. And they looked like they were in much better condition than that. so like There were like trees. like There was like all kinds of like weird vines.
00:35:37
Keck
and oh like it what Dude, that place looked like it had been abandoned for a lot longer than that.
00:35:37
Kevin Dougherty
I think ah think it's like 35, 40 years. that's I mean, fines and treatment. yeah.
00:35:46
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:35:47
Keck
like i mean have really real looked like real age, like hundreds of years.
00:35:47
Kevin Dougherty
following
00:35:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because that's what I had thought at first, too was it been like a year.
00:35:54
Keck
Like, that's what didn't make any sense to me.
00:35:58
Kevin Dougherty
But ah yeah yeah, I think it's only probably been like maybe 35, 40 years, something like that.
00:36:02
Keck
Yeah, that that doesn't make sense to me. that I mean, I didn't like the scroungers.
00:36:04
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah,
00:36:06
Keck
Sorry to interrupt.
00:36:06
Kevin Dougherty
he he was in there as ah as a little kid. And then, yeah, you you find out that like, everyone else around him died and he was just like, I have to stay in here. Like the, this is my job or whatever. But again, like you said, like he's just, uh, you know, emotionally immature and like got it and like watched everyone else die, but he could have saved people.
00:36:30
Kevin Dougherty
And then, you know, eventually like he kind of helps out Rebecca Ferguson a little, and then we find out later that there's actually like maybe like five or six survivors still left out there.
00:36:42
Kevin Dougherty
And I think one of them i hadn't even been born yet when the rebellion had started.
00:36:48
Keck
Yeah, I mean, i think the i would have think that guy would have gone crazy and killed himself in that room alone since he was like five or six years old.
00:36:59
Keck
I mean, the psychological studies on like extreme isolation are pretty goddamn are pretty goddamn grim um from
00:37:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:08
Kevin Dougherty
To be isolated that long, yeah.
00:37:10
Keck
what we learned in school taking like psychology and stuff. Um, generally the mind will break after a certain period of time of that kind of deep isolation.
00:37:21
Keck
Uh, because you know, to him, he's the last person alive on the planet.
00:37:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:28
Keck
like
00:37:29
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, he knows about the... I think he knows he knows about the the scavengers.
00:37:33
Keck
Other silos, but he has no idea whether or not like there's any life there.
00:37:33
Kevin Dougherty
out there Yeah. coming, yeah. So...
00:37:39
Kevin Dougherty
you if anybody's coming yeah like it
00:37:41
Keck
Yeah. And well, there is something that we both agreed on and you had some insight when we were talking about it is that.
00:37:51
Keck
um this was such a challenging project to to, you know, develop so many characters, so many backstories in such short time is rare. um You know, Mad Men was a show that did it really, really well, but you know, that it took them like, you know, it went on for seven full seasons to get those characters developed.
00:38:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, i mean, Game of Thrones did it really well, too.
00:38:18
Keck
And, know,
00:38:20
Kevin Dougherty
i mean, even...
00:38:21
Keck
Yeah, Game of Thrones did it well too, but I mean, that it had books.
00:38:23
Kevin Dougherty
you compare it to the first...
00:38:26
Keck
It had like direct text to take it from.
00:38:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, that's...
00:38:28
Keck
With Stylo...
00:38:29
Kevin Dougherty
Well, Philo's directed from... I mean, it's from books as well.
00:38:33
Keck
Yeah, no, i I get that.
00:38:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:38:35
Keck
But this was George R.R.
00:38:36
Kevin Dougherty
um A finished story, by the way.
00:38:37
Keck
Martin. This had already had other adaptations. Like when HBO took that in, like they had been planning that for years. Like that was like a long time in the making. Like there's a whole documentary about how HBO was able to sustain Game of Thrones. And they go in to like two years of planning.
00:38:59
Keck
It's really interesting. I think there's a documentary on Netflix about it. But um at any rate, you are the one...
00:39:03
Kevin Dougherty
Well, this is based on a ah trilogy of books called Wool, by the way, so it's a finished story. so that but
00:39:10
Keck
Yeah, I don't want to think about the books because I don't want any spoilers.
00:39:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:39:16
Kevin Dougherty
i
00:39:16
Keck
So, like, that's why, like, for example, with Game of Thrones, I just assumed I wasn't going to get major with spoilers because Martin is going to be dead before he finishes that.
00:39:26
Keck
You know, he's in terrible health.
00:39:26
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, it just brought back the dire wolves, which have been extinct for like 10,000 years before we got Winds of Winter, so...
00:39:31
Keck
Yeah.
00:39:33
Keck
yeah Yeah, well, not to sidebar too much, but what the point I wanted to go on really wasn't about the characters, although that was a really, really great thing, but we were talking about it.
00:39:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:39:37
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:39:48
Keck
The shooting of the scenes in the silo all together, I saw the set, and the set looked so much smaller. They really gave you a
Future Speculations on 'Silo'
00:40:00
Keck
sense of this massive construct of underground and they made it feel like it existed.
00:40:08
Keck
Like they made that model underground somewhere. Like, and even like going through the different corridors and alleys, you had remarked too, that they gave that, uh, confinement, you know, that like, uh, claustrophobia, like if you had that, like, you know, you, you,
00:40:23
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:40:30
Keck
yelled, I want to go out. Like, you know what I mean? They gave that confined ah sort of, I mean, I guess those people can't really be claustrophobic being born in the silo, but like they did like ah great job of, yeah, that's your whole world.
00:40:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, if that's all you know, that's your whole world. Yeah.
00:40:48
Keck
But they even like, there's like these grooves and I just thought they did a great job of showing, I mean, even level by level, there were like different touches that they would put in. And it seemed like we didn't touch on this.
00:41:06
Keck
um And i might be misconstruing this, but it seemed like the levels were also um assigned based on class.
00:41:18
Keck
like the higher you were in level or the lower you were in level. I can't remember which way it went. I can't remember if they go ascending or descending like numerically, but it seemed like um every like 20 levels was like a class.
00:41:36
Keck
um Like ah I don't want to say class warfare, but yeah, I i guess I do want to say class warfare because they discriminate based on levels.
00:41:43
Kevin Dougherty
It kind of is in a way, um,
00:41:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, but I mean, ah a lot of the the stuff at the bottom, like they were the, you know, people keeping the silo of running. So they were kind of the most important people at the same time.
00:42:00
Keck
But they weren't appreciated at all, the engineers.
00:42:01
Kevin Dougherty
They weren't appreciating. Yeah, yeah.
00:42:04
Keck
Well, what we should also mention, because we'll easily forget about because I don't think they ever show it, but the lowest level is technically the mines.
00:42:04
Kevin Dougherty
So.
00:42:14
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yes, yes.
00:42:14
Keck
And I don't believe they ever show the mines. Do they? Do you remember that?
00:42:18
Kevin Dougherty
i they've talked about it. I believe they said they used to send people to the mines as well.
00:42:24
Keck
They still send people to the mines.
00:42:25
Kevin Dougherty
They still send people to mines.
00:42:26
Keck
Yeah, they sent like ah one of the main characters to the mine, the guy that like figured everything out at the end.
00:42:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:42:33
Kevin Dougherty
Oh.
00:42:33
Keck
Like he, like the guy that like tells Tim Robbins that makes tim Robbins want to commit suicide immediately.
00:42:37
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, he had to like...
00:42:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because he had to like climb down there and like go looking for the shit. And then the other one, it's like it's already flooded. So she couldn't even like get down there. But yeah, there' they might be connected.
00:42:40
Keck
Right.
00:42:53
Keck
yeah Yeah, I think they're all connected.
00:42:53
Kevin Dougherty
They're still like...
00:42:55
Keck
I think all 50 silos have like, ah like sort like Vault-Tec and Fallout.
00:42:55
Kevin Dougherty
i think they're all connected as well.
00:43:01
Kevin Dougherty
yeah but definitely Yeah.
00:43:01
Keck
Like they all have like um a pathway ah beneath them. But then we find out um that the silo also has an AI.
00:43:11
Kevin Dougherty
Is it run by an AI or is it run by somebody else?
00:43:13
Keck
It seemed as though it was sentient.
00:43:15
Kevin Dougherty
and okay well i didn't know if it was um just somebody speaking through a uh you know a speaker or something like that from another silo what's not vila yeah
00:43:24
Keck
If that's the case, then that's that's possible. But ah the way it spoke to him was, I mean, i know computers pretty well.
00:43:35
Keck
I mean, that was that was an AI or some kind of like sentient like life built into it.
00:43:39
Kevin Dougherty
it could have been somebody masking their voice too but yeah yeah i don't know if we've gotten anything
00:43:43
Keck
I don't think so. It seemed like he was accessing like a data archive. But you're right. I mean, I don't know.
00:43:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, we don't know at this point.
00:43:51
Keck
You could be right.
00:43:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's still too early to tell.
00:43:52
Keck
Yeah.
00:43:53
Kevin Dougherty
And we also found out that they have another way to just kill everybody in the silo by releasing an asset.
00:43:59
Keck
Yeah, like I don't know if they gas him or flood it or you know do something, but I'm almost – actually, I'm almost certain that that was some kind of sentient AI or maybe if it wasn't totally sentient, at least like had like –
00:44:00
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, I think it's gassed.
00:44:16
Keck
like detailed programming because um when he goes to Tim Robbins character after speaking to whatever that was, he like basically whispers it to him.
00:44:28
Keck
He like was suggesting that like there was like some kind of like sentient computer overseer that was also always surveilling and listening to what everybody was saying at all times.
00:44:41
Kevin Dougherty
Well, again, you could just have, I mean, we already find out that there's already secret cameras hidden in people's places.
00:44:47
Keck
Yeah, but that' that's done by the Silo.
00:44:48
Kevin Dougherty
There's already a mass surveillance. But i I'm saying there's already a mass surveillance system that it wouldn't be difficult for somebody to just tap into to listen or watch.
00:44:52
Keck
They're controlling that.
00:44:59
Kevin Dougherty
So again, like, yeah.
00:45:00
Keck
Yeah. But he like whispers into his ear.
00:45:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:45:05
Keck
Like, I mean, is... Yeah, you're right. I don't know. I'm not going to read the book for Silo.
00:45:10
Kevin Dougherty
i so you could you You could be right. I'm i'm just so trying to say we don't know yet, really.
00:45:15
Keck
I thought they were pretty clear on it is what I'm saying.
00:45:18
Kevin Dougherty
Oh.
00:45:18
Keck
But i hey, i I could have misconstrued it.
00:45:20
Kevin Dougherty
and but and It's also been a minute since I've watched it. Since the end of it.
00:45:24
Keck
um Yeah, yeah i I waited until the entire season was done and I basically binged it in like two or three days because like i I can't like watch week to week stuff because i just don't retain the information.
00:45:26
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:45:39
Keck
um But yeah I mean, that's what I got.
00:45:40
Kevin Dougherty
Well, a lot of times it's also because was trying and to, like, you know, communicate to do our podcast. ah ah We're on different coasts.
00:45:51
Kevin Dougherty
It can be difficult to do it, ah you know, right away. So I've watched another five, ten things in between. i finish silo to to actually talk.
00:46:03
Keck
Oh, yeah. Well, I said that you're a mass consumer of content.
00:46:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:06
Keck
Like, I cannot keep up with you.
00:46:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:08
Keck
Especially, you like, you have, like, a demanding job, too.
00:46:08
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:46:11
Keck
Like, you are just a fucking, like, mass consumer, dude. Like, you know what I mean?
00:46:18
Kevin Dougherty
I don't really have any life outside.
00:46:19
Keck
Like, you should be, like, tech...
00:46:24
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I do, but I am busy preparing for an event.
00:46:26
Keck
sure You go to parties, you just bought like a solar generator for your desert orgy parties that you go to?
00:46:33
Kevin Dougherty
but there I wish it was a
00:46:34
Keck
Come on, you know you've gone out there and done some really perverted shit with a bunch of people. So we all know that, you know, I would say in places you don't talk about at parties, but we know that you're a deviant.
00:46:43
Kevin Dougherty
I am not, actually. It's
00:46:48
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:46:50
Keck
Yeah.
00:46:51
Kevin Dougherty
It's just' just a really nerdy party. That's all it is.
00:46:57
Keck
But yeah, I mean, you're a big consumer of content, so obviously it's going hard.
00:47:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:02
Keck
I could be totally wrong about this siloed thing. I thought that they had made it like pretty clear, um but I mean, i i could be wrong. Because I was confused at the end when he said, like, if they hear me tell you this, they're going to kill everyone. And i was thinking, first, who is Yeah.
00:47:26
Keck
Why does he need to whisper? Where the fuck did he go? Because it doesn't show the conversation that he has, whatever it is.
00:47:36
Keck
They show the introduction. Like he's like, the last person that came here was like 151 years like I mean, that's, it sounded like it was a computer.
00:47:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, he was like, he was like, I'm gonna have to, yeah, he knew he was like, I'm gonna, like, what I'm about to tell you, you can't tell anyone or else you will kill everyone.
00:47:47
Keck
It was even speaking like a computer.
00:47:54
Keck
Yeah. Or else you all die.
00:47:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:58
Keck
yeah
00:47:59
Kevin Dougherty
And I think that's what, was it?
00:48:00
Keck
smell
00:48:00
Kevin Dougherty
wasn't No, because the person went that went down before that found out wasn't that Rebecca Ferguson's, like, lover or whatever? Like, she...
00:48:08
Keck
Rebecca Ferguson, is that the one that plays Juliet Nichols?
00:48:11
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, the main character, yeah.
00:48:13
Keck
Yeah, we should probably mention that Rebecca Ferguson plays Juliet Nichols, who is the lead actress in this.
00:48:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:48:19
Keck
And I thought she was phenomenal.
00:48:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I thought I had mentioned that earlier. But yeah, yeah, I believe it was her like lover had gone down there and spoke to the the thing as well.
00:48:24
Keck
Maybe then, don't know.
00:48:31
Kevin Dougherty
And I think they like killed him or something because he was or because he spoke up. I don't remember what happened to him.
00:48:37
Keck
I'm not sure she's got like a terrible fear water. Um, but I mean, she obviously overcomes that fear. Um, and, uh, yeah, well, her lover was dude.
00:48:50
Kevin Dougherty
Well, it's not like they have tools to, like, know... I don't think anybody knows how to swim. It's not like... a Yeah.
00:48:57
Keck
Yeah. How would you learn to swim down there? You know, I don't know how the hell she was able to get all the way down there with that tube.
00:49:01
Kevin Dougherty
like
00:49:05
Keck
I mean, that was kind of, I'm not even going to try to get into all that.
00:49:08
Kevin Dougherty
She's an engineer, so...
00:49:10
Keck
It's just too much to cover, you know.
00:49:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was like. All right. But, yeah. Great great cast.
00:49:16
Keck
But Greycast...
00:49:17
Kevin Dougherty
Great fucking... Great fucking story. I mean, with the way everybody got fucking storyline, great production design.
00:49:25
Keck
How did you feel... There's a scene I just wanted to discuss before we wrap up about... um They showed the world um before the silos.
00:49:38
Keck
And they talk about dirty bombs. like They show two people like in a restaurant. like And they show how the Pez dispenser relic like made it into the silo.
00:49:50
Keck
I was just curious on how you...
00:49:51
Kevin Dougherty
Well, they don't show how they how the dispenser made into the silo, but they show like where came.
00:49:57
Keck
Well, it may they show where the Pez dispenser
Broader Sci-fi Connections and Real-world Parallels
00:50:00
Keck
came from, is what I mean.
00:50:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:50:02
Keck
And they say that there was like a rumor of a dirty bomb.
00:50:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:50:08
Keck
But that's all we get.
00:50:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean...
00:50:11
Keck
That's all they show in the show. was just curious how you felt about that scene. Because like I understand like you know it'd be cool to have some flashbacks, but like I thought it was sort of like...
00:50:26
Keck
I don't know. I would have liked to see that at the... I would have liked to see that be the ending, the series finale. I would have liked to see that scene.
00:50:37
Keck
I thought it was inappropriately...
00:50:38
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I don't think that scene really explained anything, really.
00:50:43
Keck
It was... To me, that would have just been like a really great ending.
00:50:44
Kevin Dougherty
so i don't know if you end it like that, you're going, wait, what the fuck? You know i mean? Because that's how I felt at the end of it.
00:50:52
Keck
That's...
00:50:53
Kevin Dougherty
I think you gotta explain a little bit more than that, which I'm hoping they go into.
00:50:57
Kevin Dougherty
Like, you would have had to least...
00:50:57
Keck
they would have already They would have already explained it, Cav.
00:51:02
Keck
That's what I mean.
00:51:03
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, by the time they got to that?
00:51:03
Keck
Like this would be – yeah.
00:51:04
Kevin Dougherty
No, I think by the time they got to that, they would have had have been like... I think it would have had to go a little bit further to when like the bomb actually dropped forward or something. I think they have had to go further than that
00:51:13
Keck
or whatever happened. sounded like it was dirty bomb. Like radiation just got like out of the control. Like, and although the city, you do see a city in the background and it does look like there was significant damage.
00:51:28
Kevin Dougherty
They're still free to like go about throughout the city. They just have to get tested when they when they go into establishments for radiation and they're like, oh, have you ever found somebody that that turned red or whatever, and they were like, no.
00:51:41
Kevin Dougherty
So they're kind of disgusted.
00:51:42
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:43
Kevin Dougherty
That's kind of what they're discussing about.
00:51:44
Kevin Dougherty
So, like, no Dirty Bomb is actually...
00:51:44
Keck
Yeah, they did.
00:51:45
Keck
Yeah.
00:51:46
Kevin Dougherty
Like, we don't even know if a Dirty Bomb has been dropped at that point.
00:51:48
Keck
Yeah, we don't. Those buildings could have easily just fall down, have been run down from thousands of years of decay, you know, for all we know.
00:51:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so, like, at least, like, what we got in Fallout and just in one season was we got the whole backstory of those Fallout shelters. Yeah.
00:52:08
Keck
Yeah.
00:52:08
Kevin Dougherty
So like if we didn't get another season of that, that would like, that would have been a fine ending with just him walking off into Vegas. Like if you had never gotten a second season, you'd be like, oh, that sucks.
00:52:19
Kevin Dougherty
Cause there's such a fucking dope world, but it has a complete end where this, it kind of teases you for something. Yeah.
00:52:24
Keck
Yeah, I wouldn't to care what fall because I got the game. um so i would just keep going from there. Like, you know I mean?
00:52:29
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:52:30
Keck
Like, you know, i i would get to continue I would get to continue the story through the game.
00:52:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, obviously.
00:52:36
Keck
yeah.
00:52:37
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:52:37
Kevin Dougherty
and If I want to continue, if we didn't get a third season of the fucking silo, we could read the book.
00:52:37
Keck
Yeah.
00:52:42
Keck
Maybe I'm not like explaining it well to you.
00:52:44
Kevin Dougherty
No.
00:52:45
Keck
What I'm saying is I would have just left that as like a little spoof. That would have been like my ending, like after the credits kind of. Do you know what I mean?
00:52:56
Keck
Like I would have just kind of thrown that in there.
00:52:56
Kevin Dougherty
ah If you're going to...
00:53:00
Keck
Like if they never showed the dirty bombs, I don't know if they ever will show anything of how life used to be on the surface. I don't know if they'll ever reveal this like kind of convoluted time thing that they got are in because I'm not really aware of where it is.
00:53:18
Kevin Dougherty
I
00:53:20
Keck
I just think that that would have been a good ending. But who knows? Maybe they'll drop another something like that already.
00:53:26
Kevin Dougherty
don't
00:53:27
Keck
They might already have that intended.
00:53:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, for me, if they don't go back again and talk about pre-silo stuff, then that's kind of a pointless scene. They could have left that scene out altogether.
00:53:41
Keck
yeah
00:53:41
Kevin Dougherty
Because there's no reason for us to know. But all we need to know is what they show us in the show. is that they They've been down this isle. There's clearly so ah some type of disaster. Do we need to know about this previous stuff?
00:53:51
Keck
Yeah, it was really that the scene wasn't really even about like what happened before.
00:53:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:53:57
Keck
It was all about the relic because like you would think like, what the fuck is Pez dispenser going to do?
00:53:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:54:06
Keck
But the people who wrote the order, we don't even know if it was people. For all we know, this could be like sentient, like ah this could be like Skynet situation.
00:54:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it could be.
00:54:18
Keck
You know what I mean? So like that shit could have been like printed out by like a quantum computer.
00:54:24
Kevin Dougherty
Like when when the Terminator takes John Connor to the bunker and he thinks he's going to destroy Skynet, but he just actually throws him in the bunker locks him in there because he needs to survive.
00:54:25
Keck
In fact.
00:54:32
Keck
Yeah.
00:54:35
Keck
Just keep. He has to preserve him. Yeah.
00:54:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:54:40
Keck
Keep him alive. That was his mission. Not, not to save anybody because he knew that was impossible. It was inevitable that it was a job too big.
00:54:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:54:49
Keck
You know, it's sort of like where we are right now. And I'm not going to go through a whole rabbit hole, but I heard like the CEO of Nvidia saying the other day that with AI, right?
00:55:00
Keck
we basically need to go ahead, even though we're meddling with forces we don't completely understand right now because of like global competition. If we don't do it, somebody else will.
00:55:15
Keck
So like, we're kind of like, you know, it's sort of like, kind you know, comparing it to what you're talking about, like going on with us, like, uh, to, I didn't mean to end on such a dark note.
00:55:15
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:55:29
Keck
No, I think the world's got enough anxiety
00:55:29
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I mean... ah
00:55:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, we apparently we we're just following the dystopian sci-fi now like as much as we possibly can in the real world, and these are supposed to always be sci-fi.
00:55:44
Keck
There's only one more book, Kev?
00:55:46
Kevin Dougherty
There's one more book. I'm not sure how many seasons ah they're going to do, though. They're definitely going to do...
00:55:50
Keck
I hope they don't go beyond. I hope they don't do it.
00:55:54
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, I don't know if they're going stretch the last book into two, or how much
00:55:58
Keck
Well, yeah, if they stretch the last book, what I hope they try not to do is what Game of Thrones did and try to fill in a story that, like, wasn't even...
00:56:08
Kevin Dougherty
Oh yeah, I don't know about that. I don't even know how far through book two we've actually even gotten. I think the first...
00:56:15
Keck
Oh, so this could possibly be... They could have, like... Are you sure... Season 1 encompassed all of book 1?
00:56:23
Kevin Dougherty
i
00:56:24
Keck
Or...
00:56:25
Kevin Dougherty
I think so, but again, I haven't read any of the books, so I don't know.
00:56:27
Keck
So we don't really know.
00:56:28
Kevin Dougherty
And I don't want to look it up.
00:56:29
Keck
Yeah, we don't know what they have in mind.
00:56:31
Kevin Dougherty
I don't want to look it up because I'm afraid to get spoiled as well, so I'd rather just ah you know see it as they come.
00:56:36
Keck
Well, I could, if you want, I could just look up how many planned seasons of Silo there are.
00:56:42
Kevin Dougherty
um Yeah, I guess you could do it that way.
00:56:43
Keck
ah like ah Like, I mean, you know, unless, like, that's a spoiler to you. Like, like I don't know. don't want to know if there's going to be a season four.
00:56:52
Kevin Dougherty
No, that's not a spoiler at all, but I didn't want to look up to see what um what season finished, if it finished the full book or not.
00:56:53
Keck
Like,
00:57:03
Keck
When I typed up ah how long YouTube filled in the rest and it was very, very anxiety provoking political. How long will this dark market fall?
00:57:19
Kevin Dougherty
Like, how much longer do we have to live? Ha ha ha.
00:57:22
Keck
Let me see. How many planned seasons? how many planned disease
00:57:32
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:57:34
Keck
writing on two things. My fingers are off seasons of silo. Let's see what Google says.
00:57:46
Keck
Apple TV silo is planned for four seasons with the fourth season serving as the series finale, completing the story of, know,
00:57:50
Kevin Dougherty
that's what I thought.
00:57:57
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, it's already on LionDB.
00:57:59
Keck
Hugh Howey's Wool. Yeah. All right. So we have that now.
00:58:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:02
Keck
So it's going to be four seasons, but they're going to encompass three novels.
00:58:02
Kevin Dougherty
10. 10.
00:58:08
Keck
Yeah. So yeah, that, that works. Yeah. That, that makes sense because, you know, to do, what they? Eight episode seasons to have eight episodes encompass an entire book.
00:58:17
Kevin Dougherty
and and
00:58:22
Keck
That's challenged 10 episodes. Well, still, even if it was 15 episodes, 15 episodes. Yeah, I guess that could encompass an entire book. 12 episodes, I think, could encompass an entire book. But 10 episodes?
00:58:40
Keck
Of a book with very complex ideas because, you know, you have to like do such an introduction.
00:58:40
Kevin Dougherty
basically
00:58:47
Keck
You know, you're not just on a fucking typewriter. You know, you have to show this. You have to speak this. So, yeah, I mean.
00:58:54
Kevin Dougherty
So it's basically 10 episodes for the first two seasons and then 20 episodes for the last book.
00:58:59
Keck
yeah that's what it looks like.
00:59:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:59:01
Keck
That's that.
00:59:01
Kevin Dougherty
I think that should be good.
00:59:02
Keck
That's what I'm getting.
00:59:02
Kevin Dougherty
um I'm prepared. and Hopefully it's not as long of a wait. um I mean, we'll talk about Severance as well, but the law and first season one finished air in June of 2023, and we didn't get season two until January 2025.
00:59:19
Keck
Yeah, well.
00:59:19
Kevin Dougherty
So, I mean, i don't think there's any, ah you know, strikes coming up because that wouldn't be for another two years, I think, is their next thing.
00:59:20
Keck
well
00:59:28
Keck
Yeah, I don't only want to think i only want to think about that.
00:59:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:59:31
Keck
we should It's bad luck to even talk about that.
00:59:34
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:59:34
Keck
It's bad luck to say a thing like that. um But, yeah, I mean, you have any final thoughts, predictions, anything like that? Words of words of wisdom? Excuse me.
00:59:50
Kevin Dougherty
No, I don't.
00:59:51
Keck
you do not um
00:59:52
Kevin Dougherty
yeah i i mean there's there's I mean, we obviously didn't talk about everything and go and we jumped around with it.
00:59:53
Keck
all right well um
00:59:57
Keck
Yeah, no, I always, whenever we end a cast, like, maybe, like, or even when we end a discussion, like, I'll text you, like, 15 minutes later, like, you know, a private discussion.
01:00:08
Keck
i'll be like, oh, yeah, I forgot. Like, we didn't talk about this, this, or this. Like, so, you know, but, you know, unless you guys want to listen to us break this down for two to three hours, you know, it's just not, it's just not possible.
01:00:13
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, dude, like, just go watch the show.
01:00:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. and It's easier to just go on YouTube and and you can find like Screen Crush or New Rockstars, I think, even did videos.
01:00:24
Keck
But, yeah.
01:00:30
Kevin Dougherty
Like, they they break down each episode to a episode.
01:00:33
Keck
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:00:34
Keck
I mean, that's what they do. I mean, they break down almost minute by minute. I mean, if you want to get that detailed.
01:00:40
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, they're like 20, 30 minute things.
01:00:41
Keck
But what the fuck fun is that? Like, you know what i mean? Who the hell wants to do that? Although I've been doing that with the movie Event Horizon, so I'm kind of a hypocrite. But hey, it's just a...
01:00:52
Kevin Dougherty
Bye.
01:00:52
Keck
ah well' It's a little passion project. We're going to talk about that sometime in the future. But I guess there was one last thing I wanted to mention, and it just slipped my mind, and I am not going to hold us up on this. so um I can't. Oh, um I was going to say the one real negative thing, and this isn't against anybody making Silo anybody making Fallout. I just wish that they weren't out at the same time.
01:01:23
Keck
I really wish like Fallout had happened. And then like after Fallout concluded, like you got Silo after that or Silo came first.
01:01:33
Kevin Dougherty
Well, we got silo first.
01:01:33
Keck
and ah wow ah Did we get Silo first?
01:01:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Because that came out in 2023.
01:01:37
Keck
Yeah, well so it was just like a scheduling thing.
01:01:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah,
01:01:40
Keck
They were two different companies that made them, though, right?
01:01:43
Kevin Dougherty
yeah. Yeah, one's Apple, the other one's Amazon.
01:01:44
Keck
It's not both the same company. I would think there'd be some conflict there.
01:01:50
Kevin Dougherty
So yeah, yeah.
01:01:50
Keck
Yeah, so...
01:01:50
Kevin Dougherty
They probably have no idea that's similar.
01:01:51
Keck
so ah
01:01:53
Kevin Dougherty
i mean, they're not even that... Besides the fact that they both start out in a silo, one leaves the fucking silo pretty quickly.
01:02:00
Keck
they're both very, very similar plots. So, I mean, that's my only complaint and that's not against any, like, it's just the scheduling.
01:02:11
Keck
It just, uh, didn't work, uh, for me that well.
01:02:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:02:15
Keck
I would have liked to, you know, had them, uh, air at different times, but, you know, Hey, at the same time, we get kind of like double the fun of like nuclear apocalypse.
01:02:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
01:02:25
Keck
And, uh, you know, with that note, um, um, Thank you for joining us. I hope ah everybody has a good rest of their week. And Kev, anything else?
01:02:38
Keck
Or good night.
01:02:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I hope we don't. I hope we don't live in a po post-apocalyptic world anytime soon.
01:02:43
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:44
Kevin Dougherty
Let's keep that a fantasy.
01:02:44
Keck
So to ah quote a great man, good night and good luck. Thank you for joining us.
01:02:50
Kevin Dougherty
let's keep that a fantasy
01:02:52
Keck
Yeah.