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Kevin Dougherty: all right welcome back to fright central i'm doc back here again as always with keck uh how's it going buddy all
Keck: I told you not to ask me that anymore. Don't ask me how it's going. is going bad, Doc. is going bad.
Kevin Dougherty: right can you can you not scream into your uh microphone you're really you're spiking the levels man back up back up uh
Keck: I try not to.
Keck: I know, man. I told you not to ask me how I'm doing. That's how I'm doing. It's very loud and it's very but Actually, it's not that bad. i'm fucking away yeah ah How are you doing?
Keck: What's been going on with you?
Kevin Dougherty: All right.
Keck: I know you've been watching a lot the content recently and you have a lot of news. So.
Kevin Dougherty: Yes, we've been falling behind on our actual cast.
Keck: ah
Kevin Dougherty: well We're going to talk about Silo in a bit, but I do have a few news items that I want to get through first. ah First of all, Dexter Origins has been renewed for season two.
Keck: Yep.
Kevin Dougherty: um
Keck: I did see that.
Kevin Dougherty: They are remaking Resident Evil again. Yeah.
Keck: i don't That I don't understand. Well, I think they're making, they're remaking the original game and they're remaking the original movie.
Kevin Dougherty: The movie.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: It's going to be Zach Krieger who did a Barbarian.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: So he's doing that. so And then speaking of...
Keck: I like Barbarian. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, Barbarian was great. ah Paul Anderson who did Resident he's remaking House of the Dead, which was awful.
Keck: God, bring it... I'll avoid my ah Event Horizon fucking sidebar that'll take up the entire cast, but that's awesome.
Kevin Dougherty: We all
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: i didn I didn't know that Anderson had anything in the works.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah, so he's doing that, but I mean, he hasn't done anything great since Event Horizon, in my opinion. What else do I got?
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: um There's no Friday the 13th news, besides my officially Crystal Lake news.
Keck: Yeah, well, yeah, there's no Crystal Lake news, no Friday the 13th news. We promised we'd always bring it up in discussion, news or not. And hey, no news is sort of, in a way, news.
Keck: News that this shit's never going to happen.
Keck: Because i again, i do not believe Crystal Lake is ever going to happen.
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, they did officially...
Keck: I think at some point they're going to cut their losses. I hope somebody goes to jail for this shit because there is all, dude, there's all kinds of like, if you read about it, there's all kinds of like criminal activity.
Keck: They were talking about fucking money laundering and embezzlement. Like how fucking, you know, they called it Camp Blood. You know, they said it was cursed. And apparently it you know, moved into like a reality. And yeah, the franchise is fucking cursed.
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, I did see that new ah camp slasher comedy, Hell of a Summer.
Keck: We're never seeing any Friday the 13th content ever.
Kevin Dougherty: thought that was pretty funny. That's out in theaters now.
Keck: I saw a movie on Tubi the other night called Don't Fuck in the Woods.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah, I heard of that one.
Keck: Part two.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: So that means it was very low budget. So someone made the low budget first one. And I guess there was enough interest that they felt that it merited a second edition.
Keck: no Anyway, moving on.
Kevin Dougherty: ah the um I do have two prior to and news. They both ah announced the release date for the movie and they just dropped the trailer for the anime TV series.
Kevin Dougherty: um TV series, well, it's not a TV series. It's an anthology movie. ah It's going to be released on Hulu June 6th and it's going to be three different stories.
Kevin Dougherty: One following a Viking, one following a ninja, and one following a World War II pilot.
Keck: Yep. Yeah. The World War II pilots sounded real interesting as well as the ninja.
Kevin Dougherty: And...
Keck: um The Viking is interesting.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: Well, they all sound interesting because the Viking, as I understand, is a female Viking.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah it's her ah guiding her young son on a bloody quest for revenge yeah and then yeah
Keck: Yeah, yeah. And I mean, we all know, like, I mean, Samurais and Predators are always good matches. ah you know, that was kind of a a no brainer.
Keck: I thought it was going to all take place in a or um in Asia for some reason. I had heard a rumor that it was going to be like an Asian cast mostly, um but ah it was only a rumor apparently.
Kevin Dougherty: i
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I think that was one of the rumors of somebody that wanted to do like a Predator first samurai movie.
Keck: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And yeah, that was yeah that was just a rumor.
Keck: I mean, I can understand the allure to that.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: You know, I think what happened is somebody heard about this.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: They knew that a samurai or, yeah well, they described it in the literature I read as a ninja.
Kevin Dougherty: and and
Keck: And ninja and samurai are two very different fighting styles.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Well, this is a ninja in feudal Japan who turns against his samurai brother in a brutal battle for succession.
Keck: They...
Keck: Okay, so we got ninjas and samurai mixing it up.
Kevin Dougherty: manla Yes, yes.
Keck: Because, like, the ninjas were, like, the solution to the samurai because nobody wanted to fight samurai one-on-one combat.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: And, like, ninjas relied on stealth assassinations and poisons, you know? So, anyway.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, the only thing I didn't like about the trailer that they released was the the way the Predator looked. I think he looked too big.
Keck: I did not watch the trailer. I only saw still images, and I gotta say, I didn't really like the look of it at all.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, if you look he looked like Bane.
Keck: But I am glad it's happening, I guess.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah
Keck: But, like, the Predator, like, didn't look like the Yatcha in the movies at all.
Kevin Dougherty: I hope that's just like one of them and not
Keck: Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: the only one. I hope there's couple different designs.
Keck: And perhaps that could be like, I'm still not sure how the predators or the Yacha, I'm not sure how they reproduce. I don't know if there's, if ah they're able to reproduce like, um like hermaphroditic in a sense, like if they can, there's different clans, but I don't know if there's different genders is what I mean.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, we know there's different clans and there's different sizes. So, yeah.
Keck: I don't know if predators fuck.
Kevin Dougherty: you Basically, you want to see Predator's fuck, is what you're saying.
Keck: No, I don't want to see that. What I'm saying is, is that I'm unaware as to whether or not the Yatcha have genders. And because of that, I was saying that like maybe in um the series, like that's like supposed to be a female predator, maybe like, you know, humans, like we have different like features from women. So I'm just, you know, that's just my theory. That's like my hope is that the predators are not all going to look like that.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, me
Keck: I'm hoping that, or maybe that's like a baby predator or like a real old predator. They like turned into that. Like, i don't know, but
Kevin Dougherty: He looks like Bigger Reacher from the Jack Racher show.
Keck: yeah. Yes.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: Yeah. That's yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: That's actually, that's actually a really, really, really good comparison.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And then the Prerator Badlands is scheduled to release November 7th, and that takes place in the future on a remote planet. A young Prerator, outcast from his clan, finds an unlikey unlikely ally and Tia, who's played by Ellie Fanon, and embarks on a treacherous journey in search of the ultimate adversary.
Kevin Dougherty: it looks like it's going to a young Prerator teaming up with a human.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: The um interesting thing, well, I guess it's not really interesting at all. um I was just trying to find um for Predator Badlands if they had like um a detailed cast.
Keck: And the only one i see is Ellie Fanning.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, that's it.
Keck: That's the only confirmed cast member.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, because supposedly this is supposed to be more of a ah ah from the Predator's perspective. So there's only going to be a road.
Keck: But it's not going to be the Predator and just one woman, right? what
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: that's so So it's like a love story?
Kevin Dougherty: No, it's not a love story. It's ah it's ah it's a buddy cop movie more more of anything. You know, it's ah it's an unlikely ally team. and up I mean, I don't i haven't seen the trailer yet, and yeah, i'd like you said, that's the only cast manager.
Keck: Well, they teamed up at the end of ah Predator vs. Alien.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I mean, you went to see that in theaters and you came back and i was like, I remember asking you, how was it? And the grin on your face. And you're like, well, it had some good parts and it had some not so good parts.
Keck: And i was like, well, tell me the not so good part.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: And you're like, well, you know, at the end, there was sort of like almost of romance between.
Kevin Dougherty: It was.
Keck: And that's when I was just like,
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Fuck that. I am not ever seeing that shit. I eventually cracked and saw it. It's not that bad when you go back and watch it, but I definitely would not have gone in that direction.
Kevin Dougherty: No, it's not.
Kevin Dougherty: No.
Keck: um i would have made things different, but...
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, what you going to So this is Ali Fanning teaming up with a Predator, not like getting into a romantic relationship in the Predator.
Kevin Dougherty: no
Keck: Not doing like a tequila sunrise, like we're going to have one Predator and one human in an apartment for 90 minutes.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: Let's see where we go. Actually, I'm not sure if that was tequila sunrise. I think I might be mistaken Carnage, but anyway.
Kevin Dougherty: or We're going to see how predators reproduce. They fuck humans.
Keck: That's disgusting. Although Olivia Mund in that abomination that ah Black had made.
Kevin Dougherty: We don't talk about that one.
Keck: ah yeah We try not to talk. But Olivia Mund said, the question is, did somebody fuck a did somebody fucking an alien? I think that's what that was her quote, you know, because they were saying there.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Keck: But you yeah, we shouldn't talk about that.
Kevin Dougherty: but God, I hate that one.
Keck: Jake Busey.
Kevin Dougherty: but
Keck: Jake Busey. That was the good thing about that.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. I was so hyped up for his character because he was playing ah Gary Busey's son in the movie.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Kevin Dougherty: there And then it was like a two minute scene and you had no idea that they were even supposed to be related.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And they just fuck and you were like, what the fuck? like That was the only good scene was that it was when they had him in that fucking lab.
Keck: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: And like that was it.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I would have, I would have brought, you know what they should have done? Cause it was just such a fucking mess. He should have just came in with the shit eating grin that he like permanently has on his face. Like he can't wipe it off.
Keck: Like I bet if I was chopping his toes off, he would be trying to stop and scream, but he would still be shit eating grinning at me.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I would have had him come up to Livia Mund and just shake her hand and be like, I'm Jake Busey and just leave.
Kevin Dougherty: but like like
Keck: Yeah. Just and no explanation. why
Kevin Dougherty: Like Dr. Dolph Lundgren, I'm Dr.
Keck: Yeah, Dr.
Kevin Dougherty: J. Ducey.
Kevin Dougherty: He hangs
Keck: He also might get down on all fours and crawl like a dog. Oh, boy. he oh boy ah yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Anyway, let's get into our main topic tonight. Let's talk about Silo. ah
Keck: Silo, yes. ah yeah You really shouldn't have brought up Dr. Dolph Lundgren. You know that. tech But, um you know, hey, silo Silo is, it's not a comedy.
Kevin Dougherty: No. ah Yeah.
Keck: There's not much funny about, apparently on, uh, on forums now, anything can be a comedy. If there's something that makes you laugh once in it, apparently that qualifies as a comedy, but, uh, you know, Silo, it doesn't have, uh, much fun going for it.
Kevin Dougherty: Or if there isn't.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Or if you're trying to win an award, just put it in the comedy musical section. Yeah.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's another thing. But um I know that you had told me um privately that you really felt... um with Well, first off, there's two seasons of Silo, and we're going to be talking about both of them kind of as one tonight, because season one, ah or season two, rather, takes place directly after ah season one.
Keck: So it's got, the you know, total continuity throughout. But I know you are really feeling it. So do you want to lead us off? Like, I know your initial impressions were very good.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, well, why don't I start with just the basic premise? It's basically, um if you saw a Fallout, you know, and they're in the they're in the silo, but they don't ever leave the silo.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: So it's a dystopian future where a community exists in a giant silo that extends 144 stories underground with like 10,000 people living society bound by regulations they believe are meant to protect them.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And that's the basic plot. And it basically follows Rebecca Ferguson, who's like an engineer. And she gets like brought up to like the top to take over for a police officer, for a sheriff or whatever that would like left her in charge for some mysterious reason we don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: And she's basically trying to figure out, you know, the not only like why he was like killed, But like, is it, are they, are the higher ups lying to them about the outside world? And is is it safe to go out?
Keck: Yeah, what's what's what's the sheriff you're talking about that died?
Kevin Dougherty: And, uh...
Keck: The one that um asked to ah leave because his wife Rashida Jones' character left? Is that who you're talking about?
Kevin Dougherty: It was the very first season and it was like the first episode.
Keck: Or, because that...
Keck: Yeah, no, it was the first episode.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, ah the sheriff, thought his wife Rashida Jones' character, I can't remember her name, so...
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: just calling her Shia Jones. ah She was actually um featured on the Silo cover art that I saw, yet she's only in one episode. So that was kind of weird. And she's only in the episode for...
Keck: like half the episode, I think, or no, I think she's in it for a full episode, but that's it. She's in it for one episode. She starts going a little bit crazy because she realizes that, um, in the silo, obviously they have to use population control, um, because there's limited space and there's limited resources.
Keck: And, whatchamacall, so they, to prevent like, um, people from not breaking this rule, they put like a contraceptive measure, surgically implanted, like into the woman's ovaries or, you know it's some technology that basically makes, uh, getting pregnant impossible.
Keck: And her character goes to get the surgery to have it removed because like, In China, the control population, like you could have one children, like this family could do it on an odd year. And then you had that, like they had crazy rules. So um she gets the device taken out.
Keck: At least she thinks she does. And so she tries to have a baby.
Kevin Dougherty: Thank you.
Keck: She then realizes that the device was never removed because she cuts it out of her own flesh. And, you know, that kind of proved that like, cause her husband thinks she's crazy.
Keck: Um, you know, and you know, I also thought she was probably mentally unhinged as well. Just stir crazy from being underground for so long, but I don't want to beat on this too much, but I thought that this was like one of the major topics in that is that,
Keck: You had said they're not really sure that the higher-ups are there to protect them. I mean, that is absolute evidence that you know they're being lied to and their bodies are being manipulated in such a way. And not only being manipulated, but like... They're also the psychological impact of telling a couple you're free to go start a family and knowing that you're lying to them and they have no hope. I mean, yeah, I mean, that's just dread and despair. Like I saw like them living in the silo. Like the first thing I do is say, I want to go out.
Keck: Like there's no way i would want to live in that kind – environment and that kind of social construct.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, and that's basically what um ah his name's Holston Becker. It's played by David Alello. I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that right. I'm probably not.
Keck: Yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: But he's been at a bunch of stuff. ah I'm going to go through his IMDB list. But yeah, he basically says to his deputy that, what was it, Will Patton, I believe? He's like, i want I want to go out.
Keck: I think I think so.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Will Patton. Yeah. ah that he wants That he wants to go out.
Keck: Who I was – he he ah I thought died prematurely as well. Like I love him. He's been in tons of stuff. And I was hoping that we'd at least – he'd stay out the first season. But I think he dies like a couple episodes in two or three episodes in, something like that. they Which was kind of cool in a way because like they obviously weren't afraid to like kill off like some of the better-known actors.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yeah, they had a lot of lot of classic actors.
Keck: um you know
Kevin Dougherty: and like Tim Robbins is in this.
Keck: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Ian Glenn from ah Game of Thrones most recently.
Keck: Common, who you know some people debate whether or not like his acting and music are equal.
Kevin Dougherty: um yeah
Keck: I think Common is a pretty good actor, to be honest. And I thought that he was really good in this role.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yeah, I think so too.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: So I actually, i don't even know Common's music, but like I, I've seen them in the series Hell on Wheels.
Kevin Dougherty: but Yeah. And like.
Keck: And I thought, well, up to a point, like he was really good, but like the writing went crazy.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: um But yeah, I thought he was excellent in this part. um Do you want to kind of explain the shadow system? Because that was really interesting to me.
Kevin Dougherty: Do you mean like...
Keck: You know what I'm talking about?
Kevin Dougherty: Yes.
Keck: Like every person who has a job of importance in the silo, everyone has task, you know, something that they do.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: It's basically an ant colony of humans. And ah each person of like, you know, particular importance will select a shadow. And that's basically like somebody that shadows them.
Keck: They watch exactly what they do.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: They see not only what they do, but they also observe the decisions they make, like what's effective and what's not. And at some point, that person will retire and that the shadow will then take over that position. Hopefully, you know.
Keck: Filling in well, because it seemed like the shadow period ah would go on for several years before that person stepped down and retired. So it seemed like it was a pretty thorough process.
Keck: that they were going to really train the shadows hard. And then after that person got into their position, they would then name a shadow. So it was sort of like a continuity thing because the last thing they wanted to happen is like a major engineer or a major station chief, a head of security, something happens, they die. There's no time for like an election process. you need to have gaps filled immediately.
Keck: There cannot be democracy in that society. So anyway, I know I asked you to explain it, but you seemed like you didn't know what I was talking about at first.
Kevin Dougherty: No, I'm glad you did. Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, yep.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: but
Kevin Dougherty: I thought you were talking about like ah Common's role and like, you know, like Tim, Tim Robbins is basically like the head of the silo, but there's like, there's other departments like to judicial, which Common is like the the head security for judicial.
Keck: yeah yeah
Keck: Yep.
Kevin Dougherty: And I think he wanted,
Keck: I think he was like head security for the entire silo, but like he was also, i think his station was at judicial.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: Yeah. Because he, he spoke for the judge.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah because then they also have like the regular they have like the regular police as well but i think they mostly police like the lower levels we where officials like kind of the upper level area
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah. Well, No, every every area had like – yeah, they were like sheriffs for – they had – there was a sheriff, a main sheriff for the entire silo, and then that sheriff had deputies. And I think each level – had a deputy, but then they had, like, the security, um, they had sentries, you know, ah SWAT teams, and, like, full body armor, and shit like that, and so, yeah, there were different degrees of security, but it all ultimately was basically, came down to common being head of, you know, all these different branches.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I think he... Sorry. i think he ah controlled um the
Keck: I think he controlled both the sheriff's department and the what were the raiders. They were called raiders. Sorry. I was calling them sentries. I believe he ah controlled both of them.
Keck: And then Tim Robbins was like the overlord. who is an interesting character to me because like he does really evil shit, but at the same time, it seemed like he legitimately was doing evil manipulative shit to keep people safe.
Keck: What do you think about that?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I mean, at least from his perspective, that's what he was ah trying to do anyway. And if you basically disagree, like, with him, or whatever, like, he could basically say, like, oh, they like, you said you wanted to go out.
Kevin Dougherty: I heard you say it you know, and
Keck: Yeah. Well, he I guess we should probably talk about that. ah That's kind of a a big point.
Kevin Dougherty: It is tough to talk about this series. um You know, it's tough to kind of go into super detail about this because there's so many characters and they all have, like, great backstories to it.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: So it's like, I feel like, ah like, talking about one person, I'm going to leave somebody else out and they're an integral part of the story.
Keck: yeah yeah Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: You know what I mean? it So it's kind of just generalized, I kind of try to generalize, like, the basic story plots of, like,
Keck: Yeah. It's hard.
Kevin Dougherty: What going out meant was like, you thought that the air was going to be clean and your job was to go out there and, and clear off the screen, clear off the camera.
Kevin Dougherty: So people could see what, but you know, could see outside. It could see.
Keck: Well, it was a death sentence.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. But it was basically does this because nobody made it more than like,
Keck: They wouldn't let you come back in. So you couldn't go like, you couldn't say like, I want to go out and clean the camera and then come right back in. If you say you want to go out, you're well, you're expelled from the site, you can never come back is basically
Kevin Dougherty: no. no
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, but you basically like, and nobody ever made it over the hill that they can see from the camera view.
Keck: Yeah, exactly. And ah the other thing about it is like what you were touching on is if you said you wanted to go out, I think it had to be um you had to go out.
Keck: Like if you said that and people heard you, you had to go out.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: And I believe it required two witnesses. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: So if somebody said, you know, they want to go out and two people hear it and they go to judicial or whatever and they said, yes, I'm a witness. They said they wanted to go out.
Keck: And yeah, Tim Robbins was an authority figure. So, yeah, he would just say, all right, this person said they want to go out common. You heard them, right? Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Keck: All right. peace Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Or like any one of his lackeys. Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: But, like, he genuinely seemed like he was doing terrible things, including you find out that him and the judge ah were in love and, like, he murders her.
Kevin Dougherty: You're
Keck: And he loves her.
Kevin Dougherty: talking about Tim Robinson, right?
Keck: But yeah, Tim Robbins murders the love of his life.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Keck: um And, you know, he cries and he is broken up about. But like you could tell he really believes that what he is doing is necessary for the greater good.
Keck: And so I can't really describe him as like an evil character. He's sort of...
Kevin Dougherty: yeah because they've all been down there for like generations now so like none of them have actually been outside so the people that are in charge think they're doing the right thing that was passed down from them that did this this is what the information we have and this is what we know we can't let anybody go out and they're holding secrets about like
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Uh-oh.
Keck: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: not Not just like, you know, because they don't allow people to to carry like old tech because they don't want people, you know, like, you know, um what do they call them in the show? um You know, when they find like all objects from past times from the outside world.
Keck: Relics.
Kevin Dougherty: Relics, yes. They don't want people to...
Keck: Relics. Like a PEZ dispenser to get you killed.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. They don't want people to own these things because they don't want people to fantasize about going out into the world and possibly, you know, ruining...
Keck: Well, it's all stated in the order, which is what you were talking about.
Kevin Dougherty: And killing people. Yeah.
Keck: With the rule system, you're describing the order.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: The order is the Bible for the Siloam.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Pretty much, yeah.
Keck: It's not only the Bible, but it's also basically the Bible, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights. um It's all the rules that they live by. you know They talk about like reading the Bible at night or reading. reading the order at night with their family. So it's biblical and it's also like the guidelines of everything. And one of my favorite parts in the entire show so far is when Tim Robbins character
Keck: sees what happens when Juliet Nichols goes over the ridge. He runs in, and actually, i think something else might have also precipitated. yeah.
Keck: When she goes over the ridge, like, it gave them hope. Like, people were like, wait a minute, you know, this isn't bullshit. Maybe it is safe to go out there. So Tim Robbins goes into full-on panic because he realizes, and he's right, that that It is not safe to go out, but he's trying to keep calm in the silo because, um as Kevin was saying, like there had been like revolutions and uprisings in the past.
Keck: At least I thought you mentioned it. Maybe not.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, they do mention it in the, I think it's in part of the thing, in part of their Bible whatever, that there had been past rebellions and they had a plot for the rebellions.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah, they have their i mean they talked about the stories and the families and the people that led it.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: But ah before it slips my mind, my favorite part so far is when he runs into like that secret room that's got all the controls and keys.
Keck: It looks like a super quantum computer or something, which essentially it seemed to be.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: But he grabs his copy of The Order And he flips to the page of like what happens if somebody like goes out and doesn't clean because she goes up, she realizes that it's all bullshit.
Keck: She had seen the relics. She realizes that they're seeing like a holographic image projection. Their minds are all being manipulated. The silos are one giant head fuck.
Keck: And when she goes out and realizes it, she puts up the cloth, doesn't clean and drops it. It sends everyone into a frenzy because that has never happened before in like 150 years.
Keck: That someone has gone out and not cleaned. So when Tim Robbins goes, he turns to the page in the order and it says like, what if somebody goes out and doesn't clean?
Keck: And there's like parentheses prepare for war.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: And he's like, oh, and then there's like real ominous music. My favorite scene in the whole show so far.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: it's It wasn't just about, like, not cleaning either. Like, she, like, went over the ridge and, like, as far as you know, she, like, survived longer than anybody else had.
Keck: Yeah, and that's what pissed everybody off.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, so they all thought it was safe to go out, but, like, what we find out
Keck: They were like, wait, this is bullshit. Yeah. We want to go out for some fucking air.
Kevin Dougherty: What we find out, it not only is like in the helmets, there's like a hologram. So when the person goes out, they make it look like it looks like everything's green and safe.
Keck: Was it in the helmet?
Kevin Dougherty: I think it was in the helmet when they went outside.
Keck: I thought it was like, um like ah I thought they had like a projection system or something outside.
Kevin Dougherty: Or they had it on. Oh, maybe maybe it was that. Yeah.
Keck: And like when they got like a certain distance away, the projection, the illusion was no longer effective. if So she broke through the barrier.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yeah, so when you go out, you think it's green, so that's why you clean the camera off.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: You're hoping everybody else can see what you're seeing, but they can't.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: They just see what's actually there, and it's a barren wasteland.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And yeah, she finds out that they've also been using like a shitty tape to keep the suit sealed.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah. Their thermal tape is bullshit and they know it's bullshit.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, because they don't want people to like, you know, wander out because, again, they don't want the the rebellion and they're right.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: they It's not safe to go out.
Keck: Yeah, they are they are right.
Kevin Dougherty: don't They don't want it yet.
Keck: I mean, people can't go out. did The main thing is what really stresses them is that there's just so many lies that they're being pulled and they're aware that they're being lied to now.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Keck: And that's what's really frustrating. So I think like in the following, they're going to have to make a choice. Like they're going to have to either be straight up with people and tell them what's what, which could easily kill everybody because, you know, that's, yeah you never know how people are going to respond to the truth.
Keck: But in lies, you can often kind of like, I don't know, push the situation or you know, like, you know, so.
Kevin Dougherty: You can get everybody killed. Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Because that's pretty much what we find out in season two.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: She goes to the she but goes over the ridge and she sees a bunch more silos and she goes to like the closest silo and she finds like a bunch of people that had just kind of rushed out and all died because they had...
Keck: Yeah. yeah Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And and she goes in, there's only...
Keck: There's, ah she's literally walking through like football fields of bodies.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Like maybe like, I don't know how close each silo is to one another.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Cause she finds out that there's 50 or 51 silos.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, i don't know.
Keck: I think there's 50, it was either 50 or 51, but um she goes, I guess, to the closest silo where she is just walking through,
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: It seemed like a mile of corpses. Like, you know, she was crushing skulls with every step sheet.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, and she she goes in and like she so she finds out there was a rebellion there and it got everybody killed and there was only a handful survivors still left inside there scrounging for scraps while one IT guy locked himself in the and and the room and
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Yep.
Keck: I personally thought the IT guy being in that room, like, that could happen because he had all the resources to sustain. That place, I got the impression that that rebellion had happened at least years ago Because there were, like, vines. Like, the silo itself had gotten penetrated by underground roots and stuff like that.
Keck: Like, that shit had been abandoned for a while. Like, I think 35 floors of the silo were even flooded.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah down at the bottom i think it was like
Keck: So, like, I mean, that shit had been abandoned for a while.
Kevin Dougherty: i think we find out that well i'm not sure how old steven zane's character is the it got that we find in the second he was fantastic by the way um and he's mostly known for like his comedy roles so that was a good uh change for him but uh
Keck: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: He like, yeah, I think he he was like five or six when it happened. Because like that's, you find out that like, yeah, when you you find out that he was like in middle, in like elementary school or whatever they had there when when it happened, because he was taken from his school and and put in into the IT department.
Keck: Yeah, he was really little. um he He wasn't adept enough to even know what was going on.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Did that make sense to you, though, the timeline? Because to me, that silo looked like it could have been abandoned for hundreds of years. Like, you know, I've seen underground bunkers from like World War war one that looked like in much better condition.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: that And they had been abandoned for over 100 years. And they looked like they were in much better condition than that. so like There were like trees. like There was like all kinds of like weird vines.
Keck: and oh like it what Dude, that place looked like it had been abandoned for a lot longer than that.
Kevin Dougherty: I think ah think it's like 35, 40 years. that's I mean, fines and treatment. yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah
Keck: like i mean have really real looked like real age, like hundreds of years.
Kevin Dougherty: following
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, because that's what I had thought at first, too was it been like a year.
Keck: Like, that's what didn't make any sense to me.
Kevin Dougherty: But ah yeah yeah, I think it's only probably been like maybe 35, 40 years, something like that.
Keck: Yeah, that that doesn't make sense to me. that I mean, I didn't like the scroungers.
Kevin Dougherty: But yeah,
Keck: Sorry to interrupt.
Kevin Dougherty: he he was in there as ah as a little kid. And then, yeah, you you find out that like, everyone else around him died and he was just like, I have to stay in here. Like the, this is my job or whatever. But again, like you said, like he's just, uh, you know, emotionally immature and like got it and like watched everyone else die, but he could have saved people.
Kevin Dougherty: And then, you know, eventually like he kind of helps out Rebecca Ferguson a little, and then we find out later that there's actually like maybe like five or six survivors still left out there.
Kevin Dougherty: And I think one of them i hadn't even been born yet when the rebellion had started.
Keck: Yeah, I mean, i think the i would have think that guy would have gone crazy and killed himself in that room alone since he was like five or six years old.
Keck: I mean, the psychological studies on like extreme isolation are pretty goddamn are pretty goddamn grim um from
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: To be isolated that long, yeah.
Keck: what we learned in school taking like psychology and stuff. Um, generally the mind will break after a certain period of time of that kind of deep isolation.
Keck: Uh, because you know, to him, he's the last person alive on the planet.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: like
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, he knows about the... I think he knows he knows about the the scavengers.
Keck: Other silos, but he has no idea whether or not like there's any life there.
Kevin Dougherty: out there Yeah. coming, yeah. So...
Kevin Dougherty: you if anybody's coming yeah like it
Keck: Yeah. And well, there is something that we both agreed on and you had some insight when we were talking about it is that.
Keck: um this was such a challenging project to to, you know, develop so many characters, so many backstories in such short time is rare. um You know, Mad Men was a show that did it really, really well, but you know, that it took them like, you know, it went on for seven full seasons to get those characters developed.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, i mean, Game of Thrones did it really well, too.
Keck: And, know,
Kevin Dougherty: i mean, even...
Keck: Yeah, Game of Thrones did it well too, but I mean, that it had books.
Kevin Dougherty: you compare it to the first...
Keck: It had like direct text to take it from.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah, that's...
Keck: With Stylo...
Kevin Dougherty: Well, Philo's directed from... I mean, it's from books as well.
Keck: Yeah, no, i I get that.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: But this was George R.R.
Kevin Dougherty: um A finished story, by the way.
Keck: Martin. This had already had other adaptations. Like when HBO took that in, like they had been planning that for years. Like that was like a long time in the making. Like there's a whole documentary about how HBO was able to sustain Game of Thrones. And they go in to like two years of planning.
Keck: It's really interesting. I think there's a documentary on Netflix about it. But um at any rate, you are the one...
Kevin Dougherty: Well, this is based on a ah trilogy of books called Wool, by the way, so it's a finished story. so that but
Keck: Yeah, I don't want to think about the books because I don't want any spoilers.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: So, like, that's why, like, for example, with Game of Thrones, I just assumed I wasn't going to get major with spoilers because Martin is going to be dead before he finishes that.
Kevin Dougherty: i
Keck: You know, he's in terrible health.
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, it just brought back the dire wolves, which have been extinct for like 10,000 years before we got Winds of Winter, so...
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: yeah Yeah, well, not to sidebar too much, but what the point I wanted to go on really wasn't about the characters, although that was a really, really great thing, but we were talking about it.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: but
Keck: The shooting of the scenes in the silo all together, I saw the set, and the set looked so much smaller. They really gave you a sense of this massive construct of underground and they made it feel like it existed.
Keck: Like they made that model underground somewhere. Like, and even like going through the different corridors and alleys, you had remarked too, that they gave that, uh, confinement, you know, that like, uh, claustrophobia, like if you had that, like, you know, you, you,
Kevin Dougherty: and
Keck: yelled, I want to go out. Like, you know what I mean? They gave that confined ah sort of, I mean, I guess those people can't really be claustrophobic being born in the silo, but like they did like ah great job of, yeah, that's your whole world.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, if that's all you know, that's your whole world. Yeah.
Keck: But they even like, there's like these grooves and I just thought they did a great job of showing, I mean, even level by level, there were like different touches that they would put in. And it seemed like we didn't touch on this.
Keck: um And i might be misconstruing this, but it seemed like the levels were also um assigned based on class.
Keck: like the higher you were in level or the lower you were in level. I can't remember which way it went. I can't remember if they go ascending or descending like numerically, but it seemed like um every like 20 levels was like a class.
Keck: um Like ah I don't want to say class warfare, but yeah, I i guess I do want to say class warfare because they discriminate based on levels.
Kevin Dougherty: It kind of is in a way, um,
Kevin Dougherty: Yes, but I mean, ah a lot of the the stuff at the bottom, like they were the, you know, people keeping the silo of running. So they were kind of the most important people at the same time.
Keck: But they weren't appreciated at all, the engineers.
Kevin Dougherty: They weren't appreciating. Yeah, yeah.
Keck: Well, what we should also mention, because we'll easily forget about because I don't think they ever show it, but the lowest level is technically the mines.
Kevin Dougherty: So.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yes, yes.
Keck: And I don't believe they ever show the mines. Do they? Do you remember that?
Kevin Dougherty: i they've talked about it. I believe they said they used to send people to the mines as well.
Keck: They still send people to the mines.
Kevin Dougherty: They still send people to mines.
Keck: Yeah, they sent like ah one of the main characters to the mine, the guy that like figured everything out at the end.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Like he, like the guy that like tells Tim Robbins that makes tim Robbins want to commit suicide immediately.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, he had to like...
Keck: Right.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, because he had to like climb down there and like go looking for the shit. And then the other one, it's like it's already flooded. So she couldn't even like get down there. But yeah, there' they might be connected.
Keck: yeah Yeah, I think they're all connected.
Kevin Dougherty: They're still like...
Keck: I think all 50 silos have like, ah like sort like Vault-Tec and Fallout.
Kevin Dougherty: i think they're all connected as well.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah but definitely Yeah.
Keck: Like they all have like um a pathway ah beneath them. But then we find out um that the silo also has an AI.
Kevin Dougherty: Is it run by an AI or is it run by somebody else?
Keck: It seemed as though it was sentient.
Kevin Dougherty: and okay well i didn't know if it was um just somebody speaking through a uh you know a speaker or something like that from another silo what's not vila yeah
Keck: If that's the case, then that's that's possible. But ah the way it spoke to him was, I mean, i know computers pretty well.
Keck: I mean, that was that was an AI or some kind of like sentient like life built into it.
Kevin Dougherty: it could have been somebody masking their voice too but yeah yeah i don't know if we've gotten anything
Keck: I don't think so. It seemed like he was accessing like a data archive. But you're right. I mean, I don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, we don't know at this point.
Keck: You could be right.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it's still too early to tell.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And we also found out that they have another way to just kill everybody in the silo by releasing an asset.
Keck: Yeah, like I don't know if they gas him or flood it or you know do something, but I'm almost – actually, I'm almost certain that that was some kind of sentient AI or maybe if it wasn't totally sentient, at least like had like –
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yeah, I think it's gassed.
Keck: like detailed programming because um when he goes to Tim Robbins character after speaking to whatever that was, he like basically whispers it to him.
Keck: He like was suggesting that like there was like some kind of like sentient computer overseer that was also always surveilling and listening to what everybody was saying at all times.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, again, you could just have, I mean, we already find out that there's already secret cameras hidden in people's places.
Keck: Yeah, but that' that's done by the Silo.
Kevin Dougherty: There's already a mass surveillance. But i I'm saying there's already a mass surveillance system that it wouldn't be difficult for somebody to just tap into to listen or watch.
Keck: They're controlling that.
Kevin Dougherty: So again, like, yeah.
Keck: Yeah. But he like whispers into his ear.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Like, I mean, is... Yeah, you're right. I don't know. I'm not going to read the book for Silo.
Kevin Dougherty: i so you could you You could be right. I'm i'm just so trying to say we don't know yet, really.
Keck: I thought they were pretty clear on it is what I'm saying.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh.
Keck: But i hey, i I could have misconstrued it.
Kevin Dougherty: and but and It's also been a minute since I've watched it. Since the end of it.
Keck: um Yeah, yeah i I waited until the entire season was done and I basically binged it in like two or three days because like i I can't like watch week to week stuff because i just don't retain the information.
Kevin Dougherty: but
Keck: um But yeah I mean, that's what I got.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, a lot of times it's also because was trying and to, like, you know, communicate to do our podcast. ah ah We're on different coasts.
Kevin Dougherty: It can be difficult to do it, ah you know, right away. So I've watched another five, ten things in between. i finish silo to to actually talk.
Keck: Oh, yeah. Well, I said that you're a mass consumer of content.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Like, I cannot keep up with you.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Especially, you like, you have, like, a demanding job, too.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: Like, you are just a fucking, like, mass consumer, dude. Like, you know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: I don't really have any life outside.
Keck: Like, you should be, like, tech...
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, I do, but I am busy preparing for an event.
Keck: sure You go to parties, you just bought like a solar generator for your desert orgy parties that you go to?
Kevin Dougherty: but there I wish it was a
Keck: Come on, you know you've gone out there and done some really perverted shit with a bunch of people. So we all know that, you know, I would say in places you don't talk about at parties, but we know that you're a deviant.
Kevin Dougherty: I am not, actually. It's
Kevin Dougherty: and
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: It's just' just a really nerdy party. That's all it is.
Keck: But yeah, I mean, you're a big consumer of content, so obviously it's going hard.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I could be totally wrong about this siloed thing. I thought that they had made it like pretty clear, um but I mean, i i could be wrong. Because I was confused at the end when he said, like, if they hear me tell you this, they're going to kill everyone. And i was thinking, first, who is Yeah.
Keck: Why does he need to whisper? Where the fuck did he go? Because it doesn't show the conversation that he has, whatever it is.
Keck: They show the introduction. Like he's like, the last person that came here was like 151 years like I mean, that's, it sounded like it was a computer.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, he was like, he was like, I'm gonna have to, yeah, he knew he was like, I'm gonna, like, what I'm about to tell you, you can't tell anyone or else you will kill everyone.
Keck: It was even speaking like a computer.
Keck: Yeah. Or else you all die.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: And I think that's what, was it?
Keck: smell
Kevin Dougherty: wasn't No, because the person went that went down before that found out wasn't that Rebecca Ferguson's, like, lover or whatever? Like, she...
Keck: Rebecca Ferguson, is that the one that plays Juliet Nichols?
Kevin Dougherty: ah Yeah, the main character, yeah.
Keck: Yeah, we should probably mention that Rebecca Ferguson plays Juliet Nichols, who is the lead actress in this.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: And I thought she was phenomenal.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I thought I had mentioned that earlier. But yeah, yeah, I believe it was her like lover had gone down there and spoke to the the thing as well.
Keck: Maybe then, don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: And I think they like killed him or something because he was or because he spoke up. I don't remember what happened to him.
Keck: I'm not sure she's got like a terrible fear water. Um, but I mean, she obviously overcomes that fear. Um, and, uh, yeah, well, her lover was dude.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, it's not like they have tools to, like, know... I don't think anybody knows how to swim. It's not like... a Yeah.
Keck: Yeah. How would you learn to swim down there? You know, I don't know how the hell she was able to get all the way down there with that tube.
Kevin Dougherty: like
Keck: I mean, that was kind of, I'm not even going to try to get into all that.
Kevin Dougherty: She's an engineer, so...
Keck: It's just too much to cover, you know.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was like. All right. But, yeah. Great great cast.
Keck: But Greycast...
Kevin Dougherty: Great fucking... Great fucking story. I mean, with the way everybody got fucking storyline, great production design.
Keck: How did you feel... There's a scene I just wanted to discuss before we wrap up about... um They showed the world um before the silos.
Keck: And they talk about dirty bombs. like They show two people like in a restaurant. like And they show how the Pez dispenser relic like made it into the silo.
Keck: I was just curious on how you...
Kevin Dougherty: Well, they don't show how they how the dispenser made into the silo, but they show like where came.
Keck: Well, it may they show where the Pez dispenser came from, is what I mean.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Keck: And they say that there was like a rumor of a dirty bomb.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: But that's all we get.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I mean...
Keck: That's all they show in the show. was just curious how you felt about that scene. Because like I understand like you know it'd be cool to have some flashbacks, but like I thought it was sort of like...
Keck: I don't know. I would have liked to see that at the... I would have liked to see that be the ending, the series finale. I would have liked to see that scene.
Keck: I thought it was inappropriately...
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, I don't think that scene really explained anything, really.
Keck: It was... To me, that would have just been like a really great ending.
Kevin Dougherty: so i don't know if you end it like that, you're going, wait, what the fuck? You know i mean? Because that's how I felt at the end of it.
Keck: That's...
Kevin Dougherty: I think you gotta explain a little bit more than that, which I'm hoping they go into.
Keck: they would have already They would have already explained it, Cav.
Kevin Dougherty: Like, you would have had to least...
Keck: That's what I mean.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, by the time they got to that?
Keck: Like this would be – yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: No, I think by the time they got to that, they would have had have been like... I think it would have had to go a little bit further to when like the bomb actually dropped forward or something. I think they have had to go further than that
Keck: or whatever happened. sounded like it was dirty bomb. Like radiation just got like out of the control. Like, and although the city, you do see a city in the background and it does look like there was significant damage.
Kevin Dougherty: They're still free to like go about throughout the city. They just have to get tested when they when they go into establishments for radiation and they're like, oh, have you ever found somebody that that turned red or whatever, and they were like, no.
Kevin Dougherty: So they're kind of disgusted.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: That's kind of what they're discussing about.
Keck: Yeah, they did.
Kevin Dougherty: So, like, no Dirty Bomb is actually...
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Like, we don't even know if a Dirty Bomb has been dropped at that point.
Keck: Yeah, we don't. Those buildings could have easily just fall down, have been run down from thousands of years of decay, you know, for all we know.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, so, like, at least, like, what we got in Fallout and just in one season was we got the whole backstory of those Fallout shelters. Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: So like if we didn't get another season of that, that would like, that would have been a fine ending with just him walking off into Vegas. Like if you had never gotten a second season, you'd be like, oh, that sucks.
Kevin Dougherty: Cause there's such a fucking dope world, but it has a complete end where this, it kind of teases you for something. Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, I wouldn't to care what fall because I got the game. um so i would just keep going from there. Like, you know I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: Like, you know, i i would get to continue I would get to continue the story through the game.
Kevin Dougherty: Yes, obviously.
Keck: yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: but
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: and If I want to continue, if we didn't get a third season of the fucking silo, we could read the book.
Keck: Maybe I'm not like explaining it well to you.
Kevin Dougherty: No.
Keck: What I'm saying is I would have just left that as like a little spoof. That would have been like my ending, like after the credits kind of. Do you know what I mean?
Keck: Like I would have just kind of thrown that in there.
Kevin Dougherty: ah If you're going to...
Keck: Like if they never showed the dirty bombs, I don't know if they ever will show anything of how life used to be on the surface. I don't know if they'll ever reveal this like kind of convoluted time thing that they got are in because I'm not really aware of where it is.
Kevin Dougherty: I
Keck: I just think that that would have been a good ending. But who knows? Maybe they'll drop another something like that already.
Kevin Dougherty: don't
Keck: They might already have that intended.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, for me, if they don't go back again and talk about pre-silo stuff, then that's kind of a pointless scene. They could have left that scene out altogether.
Keck: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Because there's no reason for us to know. But all we need to know is what they show us in the show. is that they They've been down this isle. There's clearly so ah some type of disaster. Do we need to know about this previous stuff?
Keck: Yeah, it was really that the scene wasn't really even about like what happened before.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: It was all about the relic because like you would think like, what the fuck is Pez dispenser going to do?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: But the people who wrote the order, we don't even know if it was people. For all we know, this could be like sentient, like ah this could be like Skynet situation.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it could be.
Keck: You know what I mean? So like that shit could have been like printed out by like a quantum computer.
Kevin Dougherty: Like when when the Terminator takes John Connor to the bunker and he thinks he's going to destroy Skynet, but he just actually throws him in the bunker locks him in there because he needs to survive.
Keck: In fact.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Just keep. He has to preserve him. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Keep him alive. That was his mission. Not, not to save anybody because he knew that was impossible. It was inevitable that it was a job too big.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: You know, it's sort of like where we are right now. And I'm not going to go through a whole rabbit hole, but I heard like the CEO of Nvidia saying the other day that with AI, right?
Keck: we basically need to go ahead, even though we're meddling with forces we don't completely understand right now because of like global competition. If we don't do it, somebody else will.
Keck: So like, we're kind of like, you know, it's sort of like, kind you know, comparing it to what you're talking about, like going on with us, like, uh, to, I didn't mean to end on such a dark note.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: No, I think the world's got enough anxiety
Kevin Dougherty: Well, I mean... ah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I mean, we apparently we we're just following the dystopian sci-fi now like as much as we possibly can in the real world, and these are supposed to always be sci-fi.
Keck: There's only one more book, Kev?
Kevin Dougherty: There's one more book. I'm not sure how many seasons ah they're going to do, though. They're definitely going to do...
Keck: I hope they don't go beyond. I hope they don't do it.
Kevin Dougherty: ah Yeah, I don't know if they're going stretch the last book into two, or how much
Keck: Well, yeah, if they stretch the last book, what I hope they try not to do is what Game of Thrones did and try to fill in a story that, like, wasn't even...
Kevin Dougherty: Oh yeah, I don't know about that. I don't even know how far through book two we've actually even gotten. I think the first...
Keck: Oh, so this could possibly be... They could have, like... Are you sure... Season 1 encompassed all of book 1?
Kevin Dougherty: i
Keck: Or...
Kevin Dougherty: I think so, but again, I haven't read any of the books, so I don't know.
Keck: So we don't really know.
Kevin Dougherty: And I don't want to look it up.
Keck: Yeah, we don't know what they have in mind.
Kevin Dougherty: I don't want to look it up because I'm afraid to get spoiled as well, so I'd rather just ah you know see it as they come.
Keck: Well, I could, if you want, I could just look up how many planned seasons of Silo there are.
Kevin Dougherty: um Yeah, I guess you could do it that way.
Keck: ah like ah Like, I mean, you know, unless, like, that's a spoiler to you. Like, like I don't know. don't want to know if there's going to be a season four.
Kevin Dougherty: No, that's not a spoiler at all, but I didn't want to look up to see what um what season finished, if it finished the full book or not.
Keck: Like,
Keck: When I typed up ah how long YouTube filled in the rest and it was very, very anxiety provoking political. How long will this dark market fall?
Kevin Dougherty: Like, how much longer do we have to live? Ha ha ha.
Keck: Let me see. How many planned seasons? how many planned disease
Kevin Dougherty: but
Keck: writing on two things. My fingers are off seasons of silo. Let's see what Google says.
Keck: Apple TV silo is planned for four seasons with the fourth season serving as the series finale, completing the story of, know,
Kevin Dougherty: that's what I thought.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, it's already on LionDB.
Keck: Hugh Howey's Wool. Yeah. All right. So we have that now.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: So it's going to be four seasons, but they're going to encompass three novels.
Kevin Dougherty: 10. 10.
Keck: Yeah. So yeah, that, that works. Yeah. That, that makes sense because, you know, to do, what they? Eight episode seasons to have eight episodes encompass an entire book.
Kevin Dougherty: and and
Keck: That's challenged 10 episodes. Well, still, even if it was 15 episodes, 15 episodes. Yeah, I guess that could encompass an entire book. 12 episodes, I think, could encompass an entire book. But 10 episodes?
Keck: Of a book with very complex ideas because, you know, you have to like do such an introduction.
Kevin Dougherty: basically
Keck: You know, you're not just on a fucking typewriter. You know, you have to show this. You have to speak this. So, yeah, I mean.
Kevin Dougherty: So it's basically 10 episodes for the first two seasons and then 20 episodes for the last book.
Keck: yeah that's what it looks like.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: That's that.
Kevin Dougherty: I think that should be good.
Keck: That's what I'm getting.
Kevin Dougherty: um I'm prepared. and Hopefully it's not as long of a wait. um I mean, we'll talk about Severance as well, but the law and first season one finished air in June of 2023, and we didn't get season two until January 2025.
Keck: Yeah, well.
Kevin Dougherty: So, I mean, i don't think there's any, ah you know, strikes coming up because that wouldn't be for another two years, I think, is their next thing.
Keck: well
Keck: Yeah, I don't only want to think i only want to think about that.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: we should It's bad luck to even talk about that.
Kevin Dougherty: but
Keck: It's bad luck to say a thing like that. um But, yeah, I mean, you have any final thoughts, predictions, anything like that? Words of words of wisdom? Excuse me.
Kevin Dougherty: No, I don't.
Keck: you do not um
Kevin Dougherty: yeah i i mean there's there's I mean, we obviously didn't talk about everything and go and we jumped around with it.
Keck: all right well um
Keck: Yeah, no, I always, whenever we end a cast, like, maybe, like, or even when we end a discussion, like, I'll text you, like, 15 minutes later, like, you know, a private discussion.
Keck: i'll be like, oh, yeah, I forgot. Like, we didn't talk about this, this, or this. Like, so, you know, but, you know, unless you guys want to listen to us break this down for two to three hours, you know, it's just not, it's just not possible.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, dude, like, just go watch the show.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. and It's easier to just go on YouTube and and you can find like Screen Crush or New Rockstars, I think, even did videos.
Keck: But, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Like, they they break down each episode to a episode.
Keck: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I mean, that's what they do. I mean, they break down almost minute by minute. I mean, if you want to get that detailed.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yeah, they're like 20, 30 minute things.
Keck: But what the fuck fun is that? Like, you know what i mean? Who the hell wants to do that? Although I've been doing that with the movie Event Horizon, so I'm kind of a hypocrite. But hey, it's just a...
Kevin Dougherty: Bye.
Keck: ah well' It's a little passion project. We're going to talk about that sometime in the future. But I guess there was one last thing I wanted to mention, and it just slipped my mind, and I am not going to hold us up on this. so um I can't. Oh, um I was going to say the one real negative thing, and this isn't against anybody making Silo anybody making Fallout. I just wish that they weren't out at the same time.
Keck: I really wish like Fallout had happened. And then like after Fallout concluded, like you got Silo after that or Silo came first.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, we got silo first.
Keck: and ah wow ah Did we get Silo first?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Because that came out in 2023.
Keck: Yeah, well so it was just like a scheduling thing.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah,
Keck: They were two different companies that made them, though, right?
Kevin Dougherty: yeah. Yeah, one's Apple, the other one's Amazon.
Keck: It's not both the same company. I would think there'd be some conflict there.
Kevin Dougherty: So yeah, yeah.
Keck: Yeah, so...
Kevin Dougherty: They probably have no idea that's similar.
Keck: so ah
Kevin Dougherty: i mean, they're not even that... Besides the fact that they both start out in a silo, one leaves the fucking silo pretty quickly.
Keck: they're both very, very similar plots. So, I mean, that's my only complaint and that's not against any, like, it's just the scheduling.
Keck: It just, uh, didn't work, uh, for me that well.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I would have liked to, you know, had them, uh, air at different times, but, you know, Hey, at the same time, we get kind of like double the fun of like nuclear apocalypse.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Keck: And, uh, you know, with that note, um, um, Thank you for joining us. I hope ah everybody has a good rest of their week. And Kev, anything else?
Keck: Or good night.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I hope we don't. I hope we don't live in a po post-apocalyptic world anytime soon.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Let's keep that a fantasy.
Keck: So to ah quote a great man, good night and good luck. Thank you for joining us.
Kevin Dougherty: let's keep that a fantasy
Keck: Yeah.
