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Predator BADlands?
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We discuss the new Predator movie
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The Inevitable Spoiler Debate
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Kevin Dougherty
All right, welcome to Frye Central. I'm Doc, back here again, as always, with Keck. That didn't really as smooth as I thought it would be, but I think you get the idea of what we're going to be talking about tonight.
00:00:42
Brandon
Yeah, well, and just a note, ah there's going to be spoilers. If you're joining a conversation about the topic, you're going to hear the about the topic.
00:00:56
Brandon
Sorry, I've been getting like frustrated with like the whole spoiler thing and like people talking about, well, do you have a spoiler spoiler-free podcast? And I'm like, There's going to be spoilers if you're talking about, ah you know, if you're having a discussion about something.
00:01:11
Brandon
So it's just like, I want to just get that out because I do not want to keep mentioning that too much more into the future. what How do you feel that?
00:01:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, there are spoiler-free podcasts.
00:01:24
Brandon
Yeah, and they announced it as that. Yeah, and we would say beforehand, like, you know, we're not going to do any spoilers, but, like, otherwise, if you're here to engage in the discussion, like, you know, we're going to be talking about it.
00:01:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and you can go. Yeah,
00:01:38
Brandon
So, you know.
00:01:39
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah. I mean, sure, we could break it up in two, but I'd rather just talk about it all at once as one full movie and not try to, like, tiptoe around spoilers or anything.
00:01:47
Brandon
Yeah.
00:01:49
Brandon
Yeah.
00:01:50
Kevin Dougherty
Which I don't really think there's anything too majorly spoilery in this that would really be like, like you're not going to see like Dutch showing up or fucking, you know, and there's not going to really like any deep cut like cameos or anything like that.
00:01:51
Brandon
No.
00:02:07
Kevin Dougherty
but
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Brandon
Dutch does not show up. Nope, he does not.
00:02:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
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Brandon
He does not.
00:02:10
Kevin Dougherty
or Or whatever that weird armor thing was at the end of ah that the terrible, the prior movie. which was the last prior to movie that was in theaters until this one.
00:02:22
Brandon
Oh, yeah. the The armor set where he clamps on, like, the the forearm grip and, yeah, it like, takes his whole body and gives him
Scarlett Johansson and Mike Flanagan's Projects
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Brandon
talons. Yeah.
00:02:32
Kevin Dougherty
And it gave him like four fucking like, like plasma cannons or some stupid shit like that.
00:02:32
Brandon
Yeah, it's
00:02:39
Brandon
I really don't think we should even... It's bad luck to even really talk about that movie. Yeah, so... Really? yeah
00:02:47
Kevin Dougherty
ah Before we talk about Predator Badlands, I mean, I wasn't really looking at the news, but it popped up ah this afternoon that ah um Scarlett Johansson is going to star in Mike Flanagan's ah remake, ah or not remake, but a new Exorcist movie that he's making.
00:03:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so... Of course, like his Carrie series comes out next year. Right now, for some reason, it says March 2026, but it's still in pre-production for Exorcist. So there's no way it's making maybe March 2027.
00:03:23
Kevin Dougherty
i
00:03:23
Brandon
That would be some aggressive, like that would be some like like what they did to Anderson Event Horizon. Like, yo, man, you need to film and edit at the same time.
00:03:35
Brandon
Keep cutting. Make it short. Get it out now. We got Titan. You know what mean?
00:03:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:03:40
Brandon
Like, yeah that would be like.
00:03:41
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:03:42
Brandon
that would be some real rush job. And, uh, yeah, I don't, I don't think that would happen. You said it's still in pre-production, so they haven't even begun filming yet.
00:03:53
Brandon
And they're saying March.
00:03:53
Kevin Dougherty
Wow.
00:03:54
Brandon
Yeah.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:03:55
Brandon
I've not, that would be, that would be impressive if they were able to ship that out that quick.
00:04:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. and And of course, this just is another project of his, ah of course, I was fucking going to see because he's like, he's, you know, makes nothing but fucking good shit
00:04:01
Brandon
Um,
00:04:11
Kevin Dougherty
ah But...
00:04:12
Brandon
I would generally agree with you.
00:04:14
Kevin Dougherty
Generally, yeah, yeah. For the most part.
00:04:15
Brandon
He's had some stinkers, but for the most part, he gives you some pretty consistent quality.
00:04:18
Kevin Dougherty
For the most part.
00:04:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. But and my view, it's just getting in the way of ah the Dark Tower series that he's supposed to be making for Amazon. So...
00:04:31
Brandon
Hasn't he been supposed to make that for like the past like four or five years? like that i Didn't that go walking of Hill House?
00:04:36
Kevin Dougherty
Since 2022... twenty twenty two
00:04:39
Brandon
Yeah, I remember that way.
00:04:39
Kevin Dougherty
It was when it was announced. Yeah.
00:04:41
Brandon
Yeah.
00:04:42
Kevin Dougherty
And then i like he cups he keeps getting sidetracked by other projects. It's like when... ah You remember when Guillermo del Toro was like announcing like all these different projects, and then they all just kept falling through.
00:04:53
Kevin Dougherty
like It's turning into that situation. But like at least he his is like him announcing something and going out and doing it. Yeah.
00:05:02
Brandon
Yeah, well, i mean, like, wasn't, was he the one that was behind Cabinet of Curiosities?
00:05:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. He was supposed to be doing the um HP Lovecraft at the Mountains of Madness, and he had done a bunch of work on that, then that project ended up falling through.
00:05:09
Brandon
Yeah.
00:05:18
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah.
00:05:18
Brandon
what I liked about cabinets was that it, it gave him the opportunity to like, just push out a whole bunch of projects, you know what I mean? So he was able to get all those, i mean, they were all great.
00:05:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:05:30
Brandon
So yeah, I mean,
00:05:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And ah his new Frankenstein ah is out on Netflix now, which I still have to check out. I've heard nothing but great reviews from.
00:05:39
Brandon
it's and an interesting combination to, I mean, i I've seen that she can be dynamic, but I guess I, don't really see Scarlett Johansson as being someone that he would like select for this role. I'm wondering how she got cast in the role. I'm wondering if he like pursued her or if like you know she like was kind of like, don't know, I'm open to doing something like that. I just don't see her being cast.
00:06:08
Kevin Dougherty
maybe she wanted to work with Mike Fine again.
00:06:10
Brandon
that yeahp Well, that's what I'm saying.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:12
Brandon
I'm wondering like how that would how the two of them would come together.
00:06:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:06:17
Brandon
I mean, the one thing I do know about Mike Flanagan that I've always really disliked about him is that he can't stop putting his fucking life in his work. And, you know, I've already gone on enough rants about that.
00:06:28
Brandon
I'm not going to continue, but I know she'll be in it. you know.
00:06:33
Kevin Dougherty
yeah ah
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Brandon
Yeah.
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Kevin Dougherty
I don't know. I think ah like every once in a while she tends to do like these little weird indie projects. Like she did that under the skin um movie that was like shot pretty much like, you know, very independent where the people that they were like picking up on the streets didn't even like know they were filming anything or or, even realize it was her.
00:06:42
Brandon
Yeah.
00:06:55
Kevin Dougherty
Cause they, you know, why would she be picking people random random strangers up? So, you know,
00:07:00
Brandon
I've never seen the movie before. I don't i only even think I saw clips of it. The only thing I really knew about that movie is that my friend, who is in love with Scarlett Johansson, called me up.
00:07:12
Brandon
He's like, Scarlett Johansson's butt naked in this movie. but I'm just like, all right. And he's like, you guys see this. And I'm like, nah, I really, you know, I'm not, yeah, I'm not like, Scarlett's not like that for me.
00:07:26
Brandon
So, like, you know, good, good.
00:07:27
Kevin Dougherty
It was good. I liked it.
00:07:28
Brandon
good Good for her.
00:07:28
Kevin Dougherty
What are you, 12?
00:07:29
Brandon
I never saw it. That's all I knew. He was just going like ranting about He's like, seriously, she's butt naked. I'm like, dude, that's great. Like, you should probably seek some
'Predator Badlands' Release and Reception
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Brandon
help.
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Brandon
but you know
00:07:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Anyway, yeah, Prairie Badlands.
00:07:42
Brandon
And then, you know, go see a fucking therapist. Yeah, and this is like a man that's married with children. but
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:07:53
Brandon
So, anyway.
00:07:54
Kevin Dougherty
anyway yeah priorator bad lands
00:07:54
Brandon
But, uh.
00:07:57
Kevin Dougherty
ah That came out a couple weeks ago? ah November fifth I believe?
00:08:03
Brandon
thought it was the 7th. It was the 5th.
00:08:05
Kevin Dougherty
7th, yeah, you're right. It's the 7th.
00:08:07
Kevin Dougherty
I'm trying to remember what day that was.
00:08:07
Brandon
I thought it the 7th.
00:08:09
Brandon
Well, you know, there was the early for a very select few. There was that exclusive double feature. I believe that came out on the 5th.
00:08:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, with Prey, yeah.
00:08:18
Brandon
Or you can say
00:08:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:08:20
Brandon
But that was only in, like, what, like, three theaters in the entire country? Didn't we, like, look it up?
00:08:24
Kevin Dougherty
yes
00:08:25
Brandon
Like, there was, like, one somewhere in l L.A., and I think there was, like, one, like, maybe in the Pacific Northwest, and then, like, one in New York City.
00:08:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:08:33
Brandon
And, like, that was it.
00:08:34
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:08:35
Brandon
I'm like, yeah.
00:08:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Well, I think it was like one or I think it was like one AMC. But then when I was looking at like the other theaters, there was like the a few other theaters, not the Chinese theater, but the one across the street from it. I forget which that one's called.
00:08:48
Kevin Dougherty
but I believe they had a screening as well. And there was a couple other more independent theaters that did as well. But like, I don't remember seeing any for like Cinemark or Regal or anything like that either. So. Yeah.
00:09:00
Brandon
Yeah, well, I mean, in L.A., you guys always get the good shit.
00:09:00
Kevin Dougherty
know
00:09:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, of course. ah So on a budget of $105 million, so far worldwide gross is $160 million, ah which is technically the the the best a prior movie has done.
00:09:18
Kevin Dougherty
you know not Not adjusting for inflation, of course.
00:09:20
Brandon
that That's worldwide? Okay.
00:09:23
Kevin Dougherty
Worldwide, yeah.
00:09:24
Brandon
Okay. um I was do you have ah the North American numbers ah just North America was So globally yeah, I mean they'll probably see probably by the time it ah comes out on like streaming or whatever um yeah know I mean there's a good chance that they will see close to double that investment, right?
00:09:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:09:33
Kevin Dougherty
76 million right now.
00:09:51
Kevin Dougherty
Uh, possibly it depends on how long, uh, it stays on theaters and what else is coming up.
00:09:55
Brandon
Yeah
00:09:56
Kevin Dougherty
Cause like right now, like, you know, uh, the new wicket movie, uh, is out now and that's going to draw on a bunch of people.
00:10:03
Brandon
Oh, yeah, yeah. True that. True that.
00:10:06
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, it is rated PG 13. So it at did help the box office for it, which like, I know a lot of people were concerned about that, but when they were like, yeah, but there's no humans in it.
00:10:11
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
00:10:17
Kevin Dougherty
Like, it's still like, like if you were to like replace all the sense that were in it with humans, like that shit was pretty gory, you know, in that aspect, you know, like,
00:10:29
Kevin Dougherty
the very like i mean We can start off like right away like um with the the father and the and the brother. and he wanted The father was like, why haven't you killed him yet? You should have killed him in his sleep. like He's a fucking runt.
00:10:43
Kevin Dougherty
like He's malformed. like he's he he should be He shouldn't be fucking existent. And then his brother saves him and he fucking cuts his arm off and cuts his fucking head off right there. Now, if that's red blood, that that can get you an R rating right there.
00:10:59
Kevin Dougherty
But since it's green blood, it doesn't matter. You can be as violent as you want. And the same thing with later on in the movie, there's like white blood everywhere because of the scents. But like those were pretty, pretty brutal too, that they could have easily been read.
00:11:10
Brandon
From what I've seen with modern ratings today, though, it seems like a lot of violence can go like unchecked. What gets more, what the MPAA frowns upon more is language and nudity.
00:11:26
Brandon
Like, if there were fucks in there, that would have been R rating.
00:11:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:29
Brandon
If Fanning, like, as they said,
00:11:31
Kevin Dougherty
think they were allowed like two or three fucks or something like that.
00:11:33
Brandon
not get what been Yeah, it used to be like one fuck or something like that.
00:11:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:11:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:38
Brandon
And then like you could have a few shit. There was like a whole thing. was a film about like ah it was I think it was called This Film Is Not Yet Rated. And it was about the MPAA.
00:11:48
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:11:49
Brandon
The MPAA is really weird.
00:11:51
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:11:51
Brandon
They're like very cultish. i would I believe it's called This Film Is Not Yet Rated as a little sidebar. If you're interested, check it out. Like there's some like weird, like, almost, like, ritualistic shit, where, like, I think they said a Catholic priest had to be present during the ratings.
00:12:09
Brandon
It was really weird. I'm not bullshitting. You should check that out.
00:12:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:12:12
Brandon
I don't know if that's changed in the years since, or, I mean, with what's going on in the country now, I could see that actually even stiffening and becoming, like, more buck wild.
00:12:25
Brandon
But, yeah, it very strange rating system. But, um, So
Diverging Opinions on 'Predator Badlands'
00:12:30
Brandon
just initially, you've seen this in theaters twice. You are a very big fan of this movie.
00:12:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, well, the the first time I was like, alright, it was cool, it was a fun ride, i can under but I was also like, I can see ah it like some people not liking this, because it's such a different ah take on the Predator, as in it's not, you know, people like the Predator hunting people in the woods, like, it's not that again, which is something that he had said, like, he was like, yeah, I didn't want to keep doing the same thing, I want to, like, show something different in the universe, but and i And then I saw it a second time and I was like, you know what?
00:13:09
Kevin Dougherty
i actually i actually kind of really like this. I mean, it's not my favorite Priority movie, that's for sure.
00:13:13
Brandon
So the first time you saw it, you didn't like it very much, and the second time it kind of brought you home?
00:13:13
Kevin Dougherty
but like
00:13:17
Kevin Dougherty
No. i It's the first time i like I still liked it the first time.
00:13:20
Brandon
Okay,
00:13:23
Kevin Dougherty
i just think I liked even more the second time.
00:13:26
Brandon
okay gotcha.
00:13:26
Kevin Dougherty
If that makes sense, yeah. but i
00:13:28
Brandon
you See, I'm on the other side. I'm on the other side with this.
00:13:32
Kevin Dougherty
So you didn't like it at all?
00:13:32
Brandon
ah No, I don't think this movie should have been made. I would have done – I'd probably chop a finger off to have this movie like just be – like you know the Eternal Sunshine of Spotless Mind, like we need the or the Men in Black thing.
00:13:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:13:50
Brandon
like We need to wipe our minds clear of this movie. The issue is it's a little weird though because as a film – I thought that this was very well done. And had this been about like a Jedi or something like that, that like went off and stuff, the
Exploring the Predator Lore
00:14:10
Brandon
whole language, entered he just decided to introduce so many new things to an audience that was
00:14:21
Brandon
The Predator had a really fucking good formula, I thought, going. I thought the mystery behind the Yatcha and the lack of like that, they overly tried to humanize the Yatcha with family values and shit like that. like To me, this was just an abysmal take on the Yatcha on film. If this was about another topic, if there was any other character, I would have been like, yo, I really thought I really enjoyed that movie. I, this was an abomination for me.
00:14:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, see, I can understand the ah the comparisons to, like, a Star Wars ah aspect.
00:14:55
Brandon
And.
00:15:00
Kevin Dougherty
where But, like, I mean, he told you that he was going to do it from the perspective of the Yalcha, and you were going to get this story that was going to dive more into the lore and stuff. And it is straight ripped from the comics.
00:15:14
Kevin Dougherty
So I think the people are...
00:15:14
Brandon
I'm not saying he didn't warn us. I'm not saying that.
00:15:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I'm saying the people that are fans of the comics, this is more for them, almost. Because, like, He's been building up to this from with Killer of Killers, and you got more of the lore in that. you got like He's been like really diving deep into the lore with through the comics and the ah and the books and everything, and like everything within like the Weyland-Nitani as well. like He set this purposely way past ah Alien Resurrection, so it doesn't interfere with like anything else going on, doesn't contradict anything else. And what I like about this is that it it like you could if you don't like it, you can just not watch it and there'll be so another Predator movie coming out. And the thing, what I like also is the lore aspect of it is that like just because this Predator does one thing doesn't mean all the Predators are like that. And it's been that way for every Predator movie that every Predator is different and every clan is different.
00:16:17
Kevin Dougherty
And it's just going to give you a different perspective on all these clans. ah ah like I really liked that we've we got the Yatcha language. We got to understand, like, hey, like, they, I mean, we've kind of got this a little bit ah in the comics, but not really in the in the movies, that, like, yeah, like, they only want, they' only the strongest survive.
00:16:39
Kevin Dougherty
Kind of like the like the Spartans in 300, where they, you know, any deformed babies, anything like that, they just throw away because they want the strongest. And so it's taken a lot from like that as well.
00:16:51
Kevin Dougherty
And, uh, you know, they, he's, he wasn't, he's like, people were complaining about the look of him and it's like, yeah, he's supposed to look like that because he's malformed. They even tell you that in the movie, like they were like, Hey, you're right. And then the, the Weyland, uh, Yutani, uh, since are like, yeah, he's malformed. Like we don't really want him anyway. Like, so.
00:17:13
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know. I really liked that that whole storytelling aspect to it. And um i then I think that's why I liked it more the second time. Because like pretty much when it starts off and and like they're on Yasha Prime, ah like I'm like, wow, this looks very much like a comic book movie come to life. And at the same time, I'm like, okay, ah like by the end of like it, was like okay I can see why people wouldn't like this, though. like I can understand that the dislike for it.
00:17:39
Kevin Dougherty
So it's not one those.
00:17:40
Brandon
Yeah.
00:17:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's not one of those movies where I'm like, this is so good, like, I can't believe other people don't like it. It's one of those where it's like, I really like it, and I can see why other people don't.
00:17:52
Kevin Dougherty
You know what I mean? Like,
00:17:54
Brandon
I know he said he was going to do all this. I just hoped he was going to do something more like... pray I hated the fucking language. arm I absolutely despise that they made all that.
00:18:05
Brandon
um Yeah, I didn't really like anything about it being...
00:18:09
Kevin Dougherty
You didn't like the fact that they talked, or...
00:18:12
Brandon
I didn't like that they talked. I absolutely hated that little Ewok critter that was like the Jar Jar Binks of the movie. I just saw like a Star Wars thing. it was just at the end, i was just like, look how they massacred my boy.
00:18:27
Brandon
it it It was just an abomination to me. Again, if this was ah about any other thing, i would not have had a beef with it. Predator is one of my favorite movie franchises. Um,
00:18:42
Brandon
i Yeah, I just wish this movie never existed, and I hope that he's prevented from making any more Predator movies in the future.
00:18:53
Brandon
I would rather see this franchise die here than for this to keep getting butchered the way I think it.
00:18:53
Kevin Dougherty
Really?
00:18:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:00
Kevin Dougherty
I think he's, see, I'm the opposite. I think he's the correct person to go forward with this because his, like his three ideas um after Prey were Killer of Killers, Badlands. And then he had he said he had a third one that was going to be something completely different as well.
00:19:17
Kevin Dougherty
So I like these different takes on the prior because otherwise you're, we're just going to get the same thing over and over of them just hunting random people at different time periods.
00:19:27
Kevin Dougherty
And like that gets fucking old eventually. You know what mean?
00:19:30
Brandon
not to know i don't know what you mean
00:19:30
Kevin Dougherty
Like you don't think fucking, what was the last good, uh, besides pray the last good one before pray. I mean, you liked pray and killer of killers and they were both him.
00:19:41
Kevin Dougherty
So two out of three, and you're already ready to throw them out the window. Like you,
00:19:45
Brandon
No, I liked pray I like killer killers, and I just absolutely Dislike this movie to such an extent that I think I kind of like what happened to Friday the 13th that happened to this like I'd like it there to be like legal challenges and shit like that and for this to basically just get tied up in court I just don't want to see him go any more down this path now if If he were to revert back and, like, make another prey or something like that, that would be fine.
00:20:17
Brandon
I just don't want this man to take the franchise forward. But I think it's already too late. I think with this, with the language and what the way they humanized the Predators, God, oh, it's pain.
00:20:30
Brandon
Like, just the images in my head right now are painful to me. I just don't want him to do this anymore, but I think it's too late. um I was talking to someone else who had seen the film a day before me, and he was basically saying the exact same thing.
00:20:48
Brandon
like i We had almost no conversation add because we felt the exact same way about everything, and I was just like, all right, well, at least it's not just me.
00:20:59
Brandon
I can understand how people would like this. I know that, um like you, I've talked to a lot of people online that said that they found this story really good.
00:21:09
Brandon
But on the other hand, i felt i found a lot of people that feel exactly the same way I do. It's kind of like, it seems like there's like a real mix, like almost like a 50-50 of people that really enjoyed the movie.
00:21:26
Brandon
Sort of like a love it or hate it thing. i found people...
00:21:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:21:29
Brandon
50% of fans really like this and want it to go forward like this. And then the other half is like me who just really wish that this movie never was made.
00:21:40
Brandon
And I guess my fear is, is that based on the reception, based on the money that it has made and based on the fact that he said that he has a lot more to do in the Predator universe, that the genie's out of the bottle and, we're just going to keep getting shit like this where the predator is you know, talking about strong family values and, you know, hanging out with fucking Ewoks and, you know, he might even, who knows?
00:22:11
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, yeah, sure, the Ewok is a martyr creature.
00:22:12
Brandon
You might see him in the next movie, him and his wife, like, you know, with their little baby predator and, you know, kind of like that. um There was a episode of Rick and Morty.
00:22:26
Brandon
where they had a predator. Excuse me.
00:22:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:30
Brandon
Do you remember the predator was like cradling the baby and stuff like that? The entire time I was watching this movie, I kept thinking of that scene, that predator. and I kept thinking oh like, oh, fucking hell.
00:22:43
Brandon
So, yeah, I mean, ah i don't, I can't think of anything that was good to me in this film.
00:22:55
Brandon
I can't. I can't find a single thing that i liked about it. um ah In terms of it being about the Yatcha, again, ah otherwise i thought like I really liked the dangers on the planet.
00:23:13
Brandon
Well, I will talk about the things I did like.
00:23:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, please.
00:23:16
Brandon
I hated that it was about predators. I wish that that had not happened. um But in terms of like Weyland-Yutani with the synths going to, I had only heard about that because that's like something in the alien universe. They talked about how they were going to, like, for example, um an alien Earth.
00:23:35
Brandon
They were talking about sending synthetics to far off planets like Earth.
00:23:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yep.
00:23:41
Brandon
inventing things like faster than life travel, the ability to like, you know, go beyond like our farthest reaches of the stars. So seeing shit like that, seeing them send out like this party of scents to like go down in this dangerous plant this dangerous planet to harvest, and do scientific research. I thought that was really fucking cool.
00:24:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:24:03
Brandon
Like, so I like that. I like the special effects a lot. um Some of the CGI I thought was a little bit over the top, like with the, um with what he was after. What were they called? The callusks?
00:24:18
Kevin Dougherty
Gallus, yeah, yeah.
00:24:18
Brandon
Was that the Yeah, I thought that was a little bit over CGI, the way they were, like, suddenly healing themselves, and, like, they were like this.
00:24:20
Kevin Dougherty
Who are you?
00:24:28
Brandon
I thought they did it a little little over the top, but, like, for the most part, like, I really liked that scene where, oh, God, what was his name? Deke.
00:24:38
Kevin Dougherty
Deke. Yeah.
00:24:38
Brandon
Oh, fuck.
00:24:40
Brandon
Fucking hell.
00:24:40
Kevin Dougherty
Deck?
00:24:41
Brandon
Deke.
00:24:41
Kevin Dougherty
Deck or Deke? Deke. Yeah.
00:24:43
Brandon
And then his brother was like, what was it, Swee or Swy or...
00:24:47
Kevin Dougherty
awi Kawi? Kawi?
00:24:48
Brandon
Jesus fucking Christ. in name Anyway, um, fuck. Uh, I, like
00:24:53
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, they have names. Again, this is straight riffs from the comics. So, like... Yeah.
00:24:58
Brandon
I'm not saying that it's not, I'm not saying he did not say he was doing, I'm not saying he did not deliver what he said he was going to deliver.
00:24:59
Kevin Dougherty
It's a little...
00:25:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:09
Brandon
I just wish it didn't happen. And if there was any way I could stop it, I would, but you know, I'm, yeah, whatever.
00:25:11
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:25:16
Brandon
But I liked, um, in the beginning where he's going through that force, like, certain things, i like the shit on the planet. Like, the razor glass I thought was really fucking cool.
00:25:28
Brandon
I love the, uh, creatures that were, like, using the, uh, plants that paralyzed you. Like, you know they would, uh, purposely, like, stir up the, uh, the plants that shot these, like, They kind of like butt it suddenly and shot out like spores that were spikes that paralyzed you.
00:25:46
Brandon
And then the creature would come down and get the paralyzed prey and eat them and shit.
00:25:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, he was like dropping rocks on him to like set them off.
00:25:52
Brandon
Yeah, dude, that was awesome.
00:25:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:55
Brandon
I really thought that they did a great job of like creating this very dangerous world. And I really thought it was cool that like, you got the idea that Weyland-Yutani, how, where, do you know where this was in terms of timeline to where we are now in 2025?
00:26:17
Brandon
Like, was this in, like, 2100, or...
00:26:21
Kevin Dougherty
This is way after Alien Resurrection, which is like 2300, I think.
00:26:27
Brandon
All right, so we're talking about this is hundreds of years in the future.
00:26:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. normal Or far future. Yeah, this is least 200 or 300 years from from now.
00:26:32
Brandon
Hundreds of years. Yeah.
00:26:34
Kevin Dougherty
So, yeah.
00:26:35
Brandon
Yeah. and because I think she even mentions Eli Fanning's character. I believe was she yeah it was her and Tessa.
00:26:45
Brandon
Tessa and Thea.
00:26:45
Kevin Dougherty
Tessa and Thea. Yeah, she played both parts. Yeah, yeah.
00:26:51
Brandon
But the Thea character, she even mentions at one point that they had not... she asked
00:26:59
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, she asked him about like the hyperdrive or something on his ship because they haven't figured that out yet.
00:27:02
Brandon
Yeah, she's like, we have we haven't figured that out yet, but like you know where you know you got the idea that like they were getting closer.
00:27:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:11
Brandon
You know what I mean?
00:27:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:12
Brandon
So I love seeing like the technological advances because i mean that's ultimately like what we would do. um we would want to send synthetics and stuff like that that have like ah hundreds of years of lifespan and are also expendable rather than send organics.
00:27:31
Brandon
I mean, that made a lot of sense. I really like seeing that.
00:27:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. that's Especially for a dangerous planet like that.
00:27:34
Brandon
Yeah.
00:27:36
Kevin Dougherty
There's they wouldn't humans wouldn't survive.
00:27:36
Brandon
yeah Yeah, exactly.
00:27:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:39
Brandon
they would be ah i mean, at least they wouldn't initially survive. You know, after the base and they had all their defenses set up You could maybe send a human there.
00:27:49
Brandon
But, I mean, again, that would – you're thinking that this would require humans to travel like in cryo, in stasis, like maybe hundreds of years, you know I mean, to get to this place.
00:28:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
00:28:05
Brandon
So, I mean, why the fuck would you do that when you can send sins and monitor everything from the safety of Earth or whatever other – planets or territories we had colonized Mars or whatever, you know, this way you would not be putting human lives in jeopardy.
00:28:21
Brandon
And it was exactly what they were talking about in alien earth when they were creating this synthetics and stuff like that. And obviously at this point you can see, um, like with that's like, they, she has like emotions, like see that the synthetics, like,
00:28:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:40
Brandon
whatever kind of like quantum computers they have in them, they have developed like sort of like a morality, which is something that, you know, we're really in the early stages now of AI.
00:28:54
Brandon
We're not sure how far this shit's going to go. So I really like that aspect of it. I thought that was –
00:29:00
Kevin Dougherty
Which they are already actually touched on in Alien Resurrection, because remember, it turns out Wyonna Ryder was a synth the whole time. So she had a...
00:29:09
Brandon
Alien Resurrection?
00:29:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Wyonna Ryder was a synth the whole time, so like she had emotions. So that was ah already kind of established in the universe.
00:29:18
Brandon
Yeah.
00:29:20
Kevin Dougherty
This just takes it maybe a step further, but yeah.
00:29:24
Brandon
That's probably the alien equivalent to this. I wish Alien Resurrection did not exist.
00:29:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:29
Brandon
I thought that was an abysmal movie. um You know
00:29:32
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, my biggest problem with ah um the way he was saying that it was set after Resurrection was that in Resurrection, it's mentioned that Weyland-Yutani is no longer around, and I think in like the extended version, they say it's like bought out by Walmart or something like that.
00:29:49
Kevin Dougherty
But then somebody would say yeah yeah um but then somebody was saying that like in the books, they like there's like um like a civil war and there's all this other stuff, so it's like
00:29:51
Brandon
did they really say that
00:30:01
Kevin Dougherty
it's possible that way. Then you tiny came back and like, they just haven't explained it yet in this movie and maybe they will in a future project. Uh, but yeah, that was my one thing. I was like, why wouldn't it it be set before resurrection since it doesn't may ah match, but like, there's a lot of stuff in this movie that, uh, if you're obviously not reading the, the comic books or the books that like, you are going to like have questions about like a lot of different things, you know what I mean? Like, like,
00:30:29
Kevin Dougherty
Like you said, with the language. I mean, of course they're language. You're going to expect these technologically advanced, even though it's technically not their technology. It's the stolen technology. But these are hunters, and of course they come in with clans. We saw that in the second one.
00:30:47
Brandon
We're actually going cover that in another cast. We're going to talk a little bit about the Pro-Universe.
00:30:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:56
Brandon
I know Doc was talking about going back and reading through like a lot of the comics and stuff like that. so um I was actually planning on doing the same. um you were Right before the cast, you were talking about some shorts.
00:31:10
Brandon
like There were a few books and stuff.
00:31:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, a couple short storybooks.
00:31:12
Brandon
but
00:31:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:14
Brandon
Yeah, I was going to get into that too. And, you know, we're going to kind of delve in a little bit to the Predator Yatcha universe. um But, yeah, with the Weyland-Yutani thing, and you had mentioned this to me before, that that was something that you didn't like about Alien and Resurrection. I guess I just never picked up on that.
00:31:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:39
Brandon
I never... Again, like that was like the most forgettable alien movie for me. and
00:31:45
Kevin Dougherty
but The most memorable part about that movie is Sigourney Weaver's no-look backhand shot that she made on the on like the first try or whatever, and like that's Ron Pullman's real reaction that they kept in the movie.
00:31:57
Brandon
Yeah.
00:31:58
Kevin Dougherty
I
00:31:58
Brandon
yeah Wait, and and that was like just like an accident. She just like threw that up. She really made that shot, right?
00:32:05
Kevin Dougherty
it was you yeah i mean, they were trying. That's what they were trying to do, but I thought i think they like expected it to like they were going to have edit it or it was going to take more takes or whatever.
00:32:15
Brandon
Yeah.
00:32:15
Kevin Dougherty
And when she made it, like, Ron Perlman made that face and was like, oh, and they kept it in.
00:32:18
Brandon
And did she make it first try?
00:32:20
Kevin Dougherty
I think it was first sh try. I think that's what they said.
00:32:22
Brandon
Yeah, that's just fucking crazy.
00:32:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:32:24
Brandon
I mean, that's just like a real fucking fluke. Yeah, I would have loved to have been on set for that.
00:32:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:32:30
Brandon
I bet everybody was just like, what the fuck is this thing?
00:32:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And they're like, that's a wrap. We wrap this up. Everybody go home.
00:32:36
Brandon
Yeah, right?
00:32:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:32:37
Brandon
Yeah, like we thought we were going here for hours. That shit like 120 seconds done with it.
00:32:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:32:42
Brandon
ah hundred and twenty seconds done
00:32:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:45
Brandon
print, like, um, but yeah, I mean, aside from that, um, yeah, I mean, the effects were cool, the, um, I just, I don't want to give any encouragement, because I just have such hatred for this film, but I gotta say, the one thing i did like, if I was gonna pick one thing, I said I didn't like
00:32:46
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:33:10
Brandon
One thing, and this has been something I wanted them, they've touched on this lore in other movies like Alien vs. Predator and stuff like that, which, you know, they weren't very good films, but, you know, they did have some interesting um aspects of lore incorporated into them, in which case the Predators, like when the Yatcha are born, when they come of age when they go on their first hunts. They go on, they sort of illustrate this in Prey, although I'm not really sure whether or not that Yatcha was on his pilgrimage or not, but usually in the early stages when they go on their hunts, they have to earn the advanced technology.
00:33:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, yes.
00:33:56
Brandon
like ni Like, for example, I don't know about the Cloak. he wants his cloak in this generally i believed in the comics most of them got their cloaks like early on especially if they were going like extremely dangerous places where they were going to be like ah totally outmanned you know what i mean like where they had to be like very stealthy and they also had to um hide their ships and mode of transportation and stuff like that.
00:34:28
Brandon
So I'm not certain about the cloak. I could be wrong, but like to get like a plasma caster, like what we saw in the first alien versus predator movie, those were weapons that you you had to earn.
00:34:40
Brandon
You had to show.
00:34:41
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:34:42
Brandon
And that was something that I thought was cool. At the end of the movie, he comes back and he's like, I came from my cloak. Like I earned this shit. And, That was something that was something that I really wish was in the other Predator movies, that sort of thing.
00:35:00
Brandon
But, I mean, with...
00:35:01
Kevin Dougherty
I kind of just take it as like that was the thing for that clan and different clans have different you know ideas for what you get once you do your first kill you know what mean yeah but i mean i'm saying like for some clans maybe it's the plasma caster and other clans it's it's the uh the cloaking technology you know i mean i think it varies per clan of what it is that you're getting you know what i mean if i'm
00:35:12
Brandon
I think you always have to earn your shit, though. I think every plan has it that way.
00:35:28
Brandon
I'd have to go back and read, but I think that the thing about the cloak was, and, you know, obviously he probably did a lot more research than myself um before making this film, but I thought the cloak thing was sort of integral for any predator going on a hunt because, you know, obviously they would commit suicide.
00:35:52
Brandon
to cover up their technology when they were defeated. And like the cloak was just like basically like a necessary piece for all of them to have if they were going on a solo hunt.
00:36:05
Brandon
Of course, in this movie, the Yatcha was not sanctioned to go on this hunt.
00:36:11
Kevin Dougherty
No.
00:36:11
Brandon
He's escaping.
00:36:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:36:12
Brandon
So you know what I mean?
00:36:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:36:14
Brandon
If if if this was like a sanctioned hunt, like if he was going on his pilgrimage, when he was going on his rite of passage to, you know, what we would call manhood.
00:36:25
Brandon
He might have been given the cloak ah beforehand, but I think he was on his brother's ship. My God, I'll fucking say. um But he was on his brother's ship, and, you know, you notice that there was a plasma caster that was on the ship. I'm not really sure why he didn't take that with him when he first started going out to hunt.
00:36:49
Brandon
He leaves that in the ship. But wait, that crash landed and he didn't get there.
00:36:51
Kevin Dougherty
No, he escaped. and He got, he got out of the escape pod. And so he got, it was pretty much stripped of all his tech because remember also when he was gearing up the first, uh, attack by the, uh, the, from the creatures on the planet, um, you, I didn't notice it necessarily the first time, but I did notice the second time the creatures that were attacking him weren't necessarily going after organic material.
00:36:57
Brandon
Yeah. That's right. Yeah.
00:37:15
Kevin Dougherty
They were going after the technology that he had. Remember they steal his fucking like, uh,
00:37:21
Brandon
yeah Yeah, they were stealing this shit.
00:37:21
Kevin Dougherty
his Poland from the first time mode it and when it did like attach him it was attaching him at like the metal uh plates of his armor and stuff that he had on him so yeah he's pretty much bare bones uh most the movie and and I did like towards the end when he starts like he he you get that gearing up montage which we haven't really gotten in a while where he's like gearing up and and using the environment
00:37:24
Brandon
Yeah.
00:37:45
Kevin Dougherty
Which his brother teaches him like ah in the first one was like, hey, use your environment. And then that comes back around when he has the battle against his dad, who I think is a cheating ass motherfucker and not very honorable because he kept using the cloak like it's a fight his ah brother and him.
00:38:02
Brandon
Yeah, that would have been that would have basically been a scandal. i I had sent you the – there was a very funny scene um in that um in that video I had sent you where that guy in about like – I think it's like 22, 23 minutes.
00:38:17
Brandon
He basically breaks down the complete history of the Yatcha going up to the um movie Badlands. And there's one part where he talks about – I think it was in Alien vs.
00:38:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:38:30
Brandon
Predator, the first one. Where the Yatcha goes in and um finishes off an alien that had been like battling with another Predator.
00:38:42
Brandon
And abandons the Predator and kills off like you know the guy that he was like going one-on-one with, the Xenomorph. And the dude interrupts and he's like, this would be a fucking huge scandal in like you know on Prime.
00:38:59
Brandon
and a big stamp goes canceled over. He's like, this would never happen. You would never, ever do this. You would never, ever steal a Yatcha's kill. This would be a huge scandal.
00:39:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:39:10
Brandon
You would have an Enforcer Prather after ah you, like, within hours. They would be deploying people to fucking take you out. I thought that was, like, really funny. But, yeah, I mean, that is, and that was another thing about going after, like, that ultimate beast.
00:39:26
Brandon
Like, to hone their skills, like they found shit, they wanted to, when facing something one-on-one, they wanted to, it was in their culture, the less technology you use to defeat a foe that is maybe more powerful than you or matched to you, The less technology you use, the more hardcore you are.
00:39:55
Brandon
You know what I mean? They recognize that. So for him to go after the Kalisk, like just, you know, with ah wrist blades or just with, um you know, with daggers and stabbing projectile weapons, stuff like that, that would be considered like the ultimate way to hunt that.
00:40:14
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:40:14
Brandon
So, I mean, that was cool. But yeah, when he goes back and challenges his father, like, one-on-one, that would have been a huge fucking scandal. Like, I don't know what the fuck kind of clan they have going on, unless it's revealed that they're, like, an outcast clan all together that, like, are all about, like, not fighting with honor.
00:40:35
Brandon
Like, they're, like, whole-of-the-loop, like, rejects from, like, the entire rest of their society, and they're, like, that's why they were, like, hiding in those, like, caves on Yachter Prime.
00:40:35
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:40:45
Brandon
Like, maybe that was their scene. Like, they were, like... They were basically like kicked out of like the mainstream community because like they were all, but the thing is, is that couldn't have even happened because if they were on Yatra prime, they would have basically deployed like all the other clans who would have been out to get them.
00:41:04
Brandon
So I'm not really sure why the father was doing all that stuff, why he wrote it in that he was using that because that would be like you pointed out completely dishonorable.
00:41:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, I don't think he felt that like, I also don't think the father felt like either of them were worthy opponents, and that's probably why he was cheating that way.
00:41:17
Brandon
That goes, higher values.
00:41:27
Brandon
Yeah, but that would be even more so the scandal because he's saying basically like, yo, you should die because you're so unworthy.
00:41:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah,
00:41:36
Brandon
But yet I have so much trouble killing you that I have to use my full rap.
00:41:40
Kevin Dougherty
yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:41:42
Brandon
Like, you know what mean? That just doesn't make any sense. So like, you know, and then at the very end, i actually almost left the theater because after the cut scene, there's like ah that ending cut scene that you say, I'm like,
00:41:44
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:41:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:55
Brandon
I was wondering exactly like where they were going to go with that. Like, were they like going to rate, like, obviously it would be extremely dishonorable if they decided to rush him and kill him.
00:42:07
Brandon
Like, you know what I mean? Like I was wondering, were they going to rally around him and be like, yo, good. You killed that motherfucker. He was mad dishonorable.
00:42:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:17
Brandon
We're to follow you now. I really don't know. But seriously,
00:42:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it seems like his mother's ah coming in, and and we haven't really ah gotten a female Predator in the Predator movie.
00:42:27
Brandon
oh, man, I thought we were going to see that, too. And she's going to be like, oh, Deco. And she's going like, hug him and tell him to, like.
00:42:35
Kevin Dougherty
No, I think the um of female Predators are actually like the ones that usually will rule on Yatra Prime, and they're like bigger and badder than the regular Predators. At least they are in the comics.
00:42:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:42:48
Brandon
can't. Didn't know that if they were bigger and better, but I was led to believe that like the females were like the wise ones and stuff, I believe from the comics.
00:42:59
Brandon
Like they were often the ones that like gave out like assignments and stuff like that.
00:43:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:05
Brandon
Like, yeah, they kind of were. i mean, they were I think they were considered to be smarter than the males. I believe I'm not 100 percent on that.
00:43:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I mean, when I first saw that ship at the end, even though he said mother, I was like, oh this is the ship from the end of Killer of Killers, is what I thought.
00:43:26
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, which it still could be.
00:43:28
Brandon
So you think that maybe the, um that does what they call him, the Grendel King? at Killer Killers?
00:43:35
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:43:36
Brandon
do You think that could be his mom?
00:43:37
Kevin Dougherty
No, I think the the ship that the humans stole at the end of Killer Killers, that that that could be that ship that's rolling up on them.
00:43:42
Brandon
Yeah.
00:43:49
Brandon
Oh, so you think it's going to be them like getting out and like he's going to hop in and they're all going to escape together?
00:43:56
Kevin Dougherty
No, i don't i like I'm just saying that could be their ship that's rolling up. I don't know what's going to happen. I was just, my first thought, that like, even though he had said mother when I saw that ship, my first thought was just like, oh, I wonder if that's the fucking dudes who stole that ship at the end of Killer Killers.
00:44:11
Kevin Dougherty
like
00:44:11
Brandon
I would just be thinking those guys would be trying to bounce because they had like a whole fucking armada going after them.
00:44:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:18
Brandon
They had like an entire flotilla after their asses.
00:44:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:44:21
Brandon
Yeah.
00:44:21
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I mean, I could see, like, Deke joining up with them. The other thing I did like, I know you hated the whole language thing, But I really liked when um he first runs into Thea and um she's speaking like Yatcha to him and then she like turns on a universal translator and she goes, you're hearing me in Yatcha and everybody else is hearing me in their own language.
00:44:46
Kevin Dougherty
And I thought that was a really nice way to like, and ah so he she doesn't have to speak Yatcha the whole time. I'm glad he didn't speak like English at all. He speaks Yatcha the whole time and it's subtitled.
00:44:57
Kevin Dougherty
ah But like,
00:44:58
Brandon
Yeah, that would have made things considerably more ridiculous.
00:44:59
Kevin Dougherty
I thought that was a nice switch. like I like how ah he was like, alright, well, i'm going to use you as a tool. like like And then, like, was just fucking throwing her.
00:45:11
Kevin Dougherty
And she was like, oh, I've never been thrown before. That was wonderful. I was fucking dying at that part. But yeah, I mean, when that creature Bud shows up at first, I was like, I thought the same thing.
00:45:25
Brandon
what I was going to ask you, sir
00:45:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I thought the same thing.
00:45:27
Brandon
It's like,
00:45:28
Kevin Dougherty
i was like, oh, okay, this is really Star Wars-y. This is very, um like, Roku, you know, baby baby Yodish. i was like, where are they going with this? And then, like, it's only, like, that scene, and he leaves her at the campsite. I was like, okay, good.
00:45:47
Kevin Dougherty
And then it shows up at the end again, but, like, it wasn't, like, a continuous companion along the way. And the the little shit was kind of fucking brutal. Like it was fucking ripping fucking arms off and ripping out spines.
00:46:00
Kevin Dougherty
So it was like a murderous fucking creature. So I didn't mind that as much on this, on the second viewing as I did on the, on the first where I was like, Oh God, they are doing a fucking star Wars thing here.
00:46:14
Kevin Dougherty
uh, but I got over that, like, on the second view. And once it was like, okay, he, he's still like ripping fucking people's fucking shit off. ah But, uh, yeah.
00:46:23
Brandon
You're a better man than me, man.
00:46:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:25
Brandon
I was not. Well, hey, I've already made my my I've already said my reservations.
00:46:29
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:46:31
Brandon
I'm not going to fucking beat this to death. I just I totally disagree. um But ah there was one other thing that I wanted to bring up about this.
00:46:43
Brandon
And it's totally slid my mind. Was there anything, um, what, well, one thing that I thought was just so fucking big time at the goddamn was when she was using the plasma caster.
00:46:56
Brandon
When Thessia had, um, the, uh, plasma caster on her and she like, trying, it and Oz was just like, oh, what the fuck?
00:46:58
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, she attached it to her? Yeah.
00:47:05
Brandon
She just looked so fucking stupid with it. And she was in, you know, Sigourney Weaver's crane thing going, no, ah Granted that this thing did look like it was to do combat and shit like that.
00:47:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it was a giant one, yeah, yeah.
00:47:18
Brandon
So it wasn't like a fort yet.
00:47:21
Kevin Dougherty
It had fucking, like, saws and fucking shit on it, yeah.
00:47:21
Brandon
But, yeah, I think that it was for combat. I'm not sure. It could have been, like with the saws, it could have been construction gear.
00:47:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:47:32
Brandon
It could have been.
00:47:33
Kevin Dougherty
Probably was still construction, yeah.
00:47:33
Brandon
I'm not 100% certain. and So, but then she had, that and like just seeing her face with the plasma caster, i was like, Motherfuck, it was just so fucking silly to me.
00:47:46
Brandon
But the one thing i wanted to mention before I wrap my thoughts was um I had been seeing this pop up online a lot. And it was something I disagreed with. Is that a lot of people were saying that they did not like the movie because Decad on him. a device that he could throw at the cask and freeze him and then just take him back and game over, immediately take him out. And everybody was like, why the fuck wouldn't he employ this immediately? If he had a device he could just throw out that would freeze the thing immediately and, you know, then roll credits Finn. You know what I mean? And I was, I actually made a comment in a couple of the threads and I was just like,
00:48:34
Brandon
Because he was there to fight it one-on-one, he wasn't there to just, like, go out and fucking take it out with one shot. He wanted to match up with like one of the deadliest foes there was.
00:48:47
Brandon
That's what the Yacht should do. They don't go out and do that. He wanted to one-on-one take this thing out, and then he would have, um if he defeated it, then he would have brought the head back and shit like that, or froze it, whatever.
00:49:00
Brandon
But yeah, his job wasn't to go out and throw a ball at this thing and kill it. You know what mean?
00:49:05
Kevin Dougherty
But he also didn't have them on him.
00:49:06
Brandon
He did.
00:49:07
Kevin Dougherty
They were on his ship.
00:49:09
Brandon
he I believe did have one on him.
00:49:13
Kevin Dougherty
No.
00:49:13
Brandon
I believe he did.
00:49:14
Kevin Dougherty
He didn't have any on them. She finds them on the ship and she takes them.
00:49:17
Brandon
thought that all mistaken then because they were all saying that this was their biggest problem with the movie.
00:49:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:27
Kevin Dougherty
Because you don't find out that those are freeze things until Tessa shows up on the ship and like tests it.
00:49:27
Brandon
And
00:49:33
Kevin Dougherty
and like hits the button, and then realized it freezes.
00:49:33
Brandon
yeah, maybe, maybe.
00:49:36
Kevin Dougherty
So then she took him with her, and she's the one that uses it.
00:49:39
Brandon
I thought he had some on him. I thought in the beginning it actually shows him with them.
00:49:41
Kevin Dougherty
No.
00:49:45
Brandon
Although they could have been stolen by that thing that you were talking about.
00:49:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, a lot of, yeah, whatever, yeah whatever little grenade things he did have on him all got stolen by the thing he did.
00:49:55
Brandon
So that maybe i saw him with those and then that plant came down and like took his, I i can't remember what they were called, the things that hide way up in tree.
00:50:03
Kevin Dougherty
yeah either Yeah, yeah. yeah.
00:50:05
Brandon
But yeah, maybe that was the case. But regardless, that just shows like their ignorance even more. There are many. mad post throughout Reddit. ah This one guy made like a whole YouTube video where he rails about this for a whole hour and I was just like do you guys like not know anything about the lore here?
00:50:28
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:50:28
Brandon
like If he had that the entire time that would have been his absolute last ditch thing to use. He wanted to fight this thing.
00:50:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because he wants the...
00:50:39
Brandon
I don't know.
00:50:40
Kevin Dougherty
Not only like does he want to fight the thing, he wants the trophy of the skull, and if you freeze that, you're not getting that.
00:50:44
Brandon
Yeah, he wants to bring the whole fucking thing.
00:50:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:50:49
Brandon
and yeah So I'm not really sure why um that was such a big deal in the online community.
00:50:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, don't know.
00:50:59
Brandon
No one that I've talked to that has seen the movie, even the people that did not like it, they didn't have any problem with this either. I only ran into this online and I'm not really sure what the fuck they're talking about because
00:51:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:13
Brandon
Like you said, if he didn't have them the entire time, then yeah, he obviously couldn't use them. But even if he did have them, he would not have used them.
00:51:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:22
Brandon
He wanted to do combat.
00:51:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:24
Brandon
Like, you know, what the fuck?
00:51:24
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Because otherwise you just feel like the same thing, like the the trap thing that his father had. If he had one of those where he just throws on the ground and like, you know, traps you in that with the thing, like, then just chop off your head. You know what Like, no, they wouldn't do that. Like, that's not, that's not the point of fucking,
00:51:41
Kevin Dougherty
the Atcha. Yeah.
00:51:43
Brandon
Yeah, and anything, his father would not have thrown that down and told the brother to kill him. He would have made the brother kill him in combat. Like, that would have been the way to, you know, get the runt out of the litter, so to speak.
00:51:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:57
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:51:58
Brandon
So, yeah, I'm not really sure, like, you know, um like you said, you know, I know he's gone back and, um you know, really looked at the comics and tried to, you know, build this from all the lore. I'm not really sure even what he was going with with those two things. But, you know, I don't know.
00:52:19
Kevin Dougherty
ah The other thing I did like, I mean, I know, again, you didn't like the ah little creature, but like the Kallus, I'm glad like that wasn't necessarily the big bad in the end, but it was a again, Weyland-Yutani's synths that were the bad.
00:52:34
Kevin Dougherty
You know what I mean?
00:52:34
Brandon
Yeah.
00:52:35
Kevin Dougherty
it was specifically Tessa's. So, I mean, ah we when they first land on that planet and and like they get attacked by the same things as Deke did and they just fucking take them out like no like it's not even fucking problem.
00:52:48
Kevin Dougherty
shows you how like advanced it ah like they are. and So I really like that, and like they really tear them apart ah towards the end. But like yeah, I liked how the big battle was like Tessa and a mech versus like a kaiju. So you know me, I like mech versus fucking kaiju. And at this point, you're like it's like a reverse of you know Alien where you're rooting for Sigourney against the Xenomorph, the Alien Queen,
00:53:15
Kevin Dougherty
And this one you're rooting for the fucking, the creature to, to beat, you know, the synth and the mech. So, and like, you see a lot of like the reversals in this movie too, with like the predator doing like, I mean, the Yatcha doing what Dutch did and like, you know, gathering up the, you using the environment against the Yatcha and like the, and he does the same thing.
00:53:22
Brandon
Yeah.
00:53:36
Kevin Dougherty
So thought there are a lot of good like reversals in this as well. So i don't know. Overall, I enjoyed it. I mean, i I think I would still rank it probably like fourth or fifth.
00:53:50
Kevin Dougherty
Like ah I, like I still think predator one to prey predators and even killer of killers is better, but like that, that's still, I still enjoyed the movie.
00:54:00
Kevin Dougherty
You know what I mean? Like, yeah.
00:54:03
Brandon
I just wish it was about something else. Um, and i mean, what we could talk more about it when, if we do, um, a cast about like the prior universe, like what we were talking about, but like, um One of the other things is is that, um well, I mean, this is really a discussion for another day.
00:54:24
Brandon
I was going to talk but a little bit more about the language and how through their technology, because the Yatcha were enslaved for like hundreds of years. And if you like look into that lore, they were kind of like forbidden to speak and use communication because like, You know, that would, ah you know, encourage them to have the uprising that they eventually had.
00:54:47
Brandon
But um so their language had gotten like really mutilated. And with the new technology they had, like through their helmets, like for example, um ah in Predators, you have the ah three ah hunters.
00:55:01
Brandon
And they communicate with one another kind of like through a texting system almost. where you know they're able to silently communicate ideas to the others anywhere on the planet instantly it just comes up on their helmet and know that
00:55:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they were also mid-hunt, and they needed a way to communicate without growing attention to themselves. That's the other thing. And those were also real cheap predators, too, because they would just bring the prey to them and then hunt them, and any time they lost, they would just fucking re-strategize and shit.
00:55:35
Kevin Dougherty
They weren't going to... They they were controlled the environment themselves on that planet.
00:55:40
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, i don't...
00:55:42
Kevin Dougherty
And they still got fucking whipped.
00:55:43
Brandon
Throughout the war, I mean, they do do that type of shit.
00:55:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:55:48
Brandon
They do bring in, ah like, a whole bunch...
00:55:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:55:53
Brandon
There's one thing where they brought in a whole bunch of different species, and they dropped it on a preserved planet like that, and it was, like, real buck wild, because, like, when the predators went out to do the hunt...
00:56:07
Brandon
When they got to the area, everyone was already dead. They had all killed themselves. like And they were talking about it, I think, in the comic. They talked about it as um fish in an aquarium, how certain fish you're not supposed to mix.
00:56:23
Brandon
Well, it it was like a total thing because when they went out there, it was just like a bloodbath.
00:56:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:56:28
Brandon
Their hunt was ruined. The other species had all killed themselves, like down to the last man.
00:56:33
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:56:33
Brandon
So they were like walking around they were like all like enraged. And I think there was something like where they got in like a lot of trouble for it or something. I don't know I can't remember. But anyway, that I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole. I was just disappointed. I i wish that he did not try to humanize the Yatcha so much. I wish that if he was going to do this, he would have slowly through maybe several movies – kind of done this this was very different from prey and i realized that it was just him hunting people in that and um i love killer killers and that was animated and again you didn't really get much language up until the very end where they were like you know using the translator to explain the rules of the fight to everybody I just wish if he had done this, it would have been a very, very slow integration over several films.
00:57:02
Kevin Dougherty
But
00:57:33
Brandon
I think.
00:57:33
Kevin Dougherty
You mean like maybe like, I don't know, Predator 2? When like the Predators like, you know, show up on Danny Glover and they like they like kind of respect him and like show that they have fucking respect for human fighters. Or in like Alien vs. Predator where they team up with the human to take down an alien. Or in AVB 2 when he sees his fallen, ah when the wolf goes down to the planet and he sees his fallen comrade And he kind of like, you know, touches his helmet and is like, you can tell he has fucking feelings for a downed comrade and shit like that. Like,
00:58:10
Brandon
There was a rumor that that was his son.
00:58:10
Kevin Dougherty
all this well yeah all of this is in the fucking movies. It's just very, it's just not, this is the first time you get a whole movie about their feelings. They've always had feelings in the movies. Like, you can see it throughout.
00:58:26
Brandon
this was all brought together and I'm not going to go down.
00:58:29
Kevin Dougherty
Even in Predators, when they they he let he he chops them down, he helps them out, and he helps the guy escape.
00:58:30
Brandon
I'm
00:58:37
Kevin Dougherty
yeah you know Or at least he thinks he does, but then they're like, I blows up the ship, and and but he didn't get on the ship the whole time. like like There's always been Predators helping humans or or showing humanity in the movies. So it's not like it's a brand new concept.
00:58:53
Brandon
No, I don't agree with that. I don't know what you're talking about. Like, at the end of Predator 2, which I thought was the best part, ah yeah, they witness Danny Glover defeat the Yatcha in hand-to-hand combat, one-on-one.
00:59:10
Brandon
And they don't tell him.
00:59:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and they show them respect. Yeah.
00:59:12
Brandon
Yeah, of course. They were all around him, and that was
00:59:14
Kevin Dougherty
it's It's showing and another creature respect, not a human trait.
00:59:20
Brandon
not sure what you I'm not saying that like the Yacha can't have certain traits that also are shared with humanity. I'm just saying...
00:59:30
Kevin Dougherty
You're saying you're humanizing the predator.
00:59:31
Brandon
like Yeah, they were basically saying that they had all the same values. at a Dude, I don't really know how you're able to equivocate them showing respect for him, beating a one-on-one combat, and then like just bouncing.
00:59:49
Brandon
as them being like you know uh humanized like that was what danny glover did he was following their code that was his thing he'd be him one-on-one they weren't gonna just like merc him like that would have been again that would have been a major fucking scandal that would have been canceled that would have been a major thing they had to let danny glover go if they had just
00:59:53
Kevin Dougherty
than teaming up.
01:00:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:00:14
Brandon
murked down Danny Glover, that would have gone against their entire value system. Which, yes, they silently established that through the movies. as you get I mean, again, I didn't really like Predator 2. I thought it was a pretty bad movie.
01:00:32
Brandon
Since the original Predator, I haven't really liked many of the Predator movies. So, I mean, i guess I can't really c say. it This, I just wish it just never was.
01:00:43
Kevin Dougherty
but Because again, they they do it in Alien vs. Predator, Alien vs. Predator 2, and Predators, they humanize it like you so you see some...
01:00:51
Brandon
No, I just disagree with what you're saying.
01:00:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:00:54
Brandon
I don't see any humanization. The fucking love story in Alien vs. Brother that was like starting to form, that was a fucking bastardization.
01:01:05
Brandon
I thought that was a terrible movie.
01:01:06
Kevin Dougherty
It wasn't a love story. It was teaming up to take the for mutual beneficial agreement.
01:01:09
Brandon
Dude, you when you first saw that movie, you told me that it there was like a semi-love story that was building in there.
01:01:20
Brandon
And I remember making a joke. I'm like, so they the predator banged and, you know, like they banged.
01:01:25
Kevin Dougherty
I remember joking about it, but it's...
01:01:29
Brandon
I mean, that whole that whole thing was, again, that was a total bastardization that would have never happened. Alien vs. Predator were both terrible movies that I would never recommend to anyone to watch.
01:01:43
Brandon
And didn't you say that, wait, did you say that they're canon in the Predator thing and the Alien?
01:01:49
Kevin Dougherty
They're actually, from what I understand, I think originally Ridley Scott was like, oh, they're only canon in the Predator universe, but not Alienverse Predator. But again, Ridley Scott isn't the be-all end-all. Remember, he wasn't the one that originally wrote ah the first Alien movie. that's ah That was Dan O'Bannon.
01:02:09
Kevin Dougherty
He came in and and with H.R.
01:02:09
Brandon
yeah
01:02:11
Kevin Dougherty
Geiger and just changed some looks and very little things about it. ah But If you go back through the entire franchise of both of them, nothing really ah contradicts anything else in either of the franchises, if you really look at it. So, there it's all canon to me.
01:02:34
Kevin Dougherty
It all takes place in the same universe.
01:02:36
Brandon
Yeah, I was just asking, like, what the official position was.
01:02:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:02:41
Brandon
i don't know. But, I mean, again, I don't really know.
01:02:42
Kevin Dougherty
ah ah At least according to Dan Trackenberg, it's all in in the same universe. I mean, the reason he set his so far in the future was because ah he had started working on this before Romulus was released, so he didn't really know what was going on there.
01:02:48
Brandon
All in the same year. Yeah.
01:02:58
Kevin Dougherty
And he had talked a little bit to Noah Hawley, but since that was set right before Alien, he also didn't want to mess with anything there. So he was like, I'll just set it far into the future. And then people were like, oh, well,
01:03:12
Kevin Dougherty
are are saying like uh oh it ah it was a something about it being a disney thing or whatever uh but like it was his idea to put the weyland yutani since in there because he was like i didn't want any human characters in there and he's like well what non-human characters can i use and he's like oh well the alien universe is also set ah is also owned by fox and disney so i can use the the weyland yutani so it wasn't that part of a thing for him to put together.
01:03:38
Kevin Dougherty
But ah again, there's going to be a sequel to killer of killers, uh, probably an animated form because there's already talks with Danny Glover and, uh, and Schwarzenegger coming back. and i Don't I, that's what I'm saying.
01:03:47
Brandon
We're bringing Danny Glover back? Oh, my God. Fuck.
01:03:52
Kevin Dougherty
It's going to be an animated version of killer of killers. It'll just be their voices. I know they tell you, I know they're talking to short.
01:03:56
Brandon
Yeah, that's a major problem. Danny Glover's voice for me is a major problem.
01:04:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. ah Well, I know they've talked, I know they're talking to Schwarzenegger, but, uh, Yeah, they could easily bring... like I think he's too old to come back in a live-action film, unless he's just going to be like you know um the guy that puts a team together.
01:04:12
Brandon
Dude, he's like 80.
01:04:14
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:04:15
Brandon
He's got to be like 80.
01:04:16
Kevin Dougherty
yeah he's not fighting Yeah, he's not fighting any Predators.
01:04:16
Brandon
He's got be in like his early and mid eighty s
01:04:20
Kevin Dougherty
He would be like the guy that would come in the room to be like, this is what I know about Predators. I think you have to do an animated ah version of that, and you follow up that with Killer of Killers.
01:04:31
Kevin Dougherty
And then i he's probably going to do a sequel to to this one. But then he also has another idea for something else. And I'd like to see what it is. like i'm I'm still on board because he keeps doing different things set in the prior universe, which I like.
01:04:44
Kevin Dougherty
So even if you don't like one project, just wait for his next project. It's going to be completely different.
01:04:49
Brandon
I'm not watching any more of his project. I'll watch the animated thing, but if they start talking again and, like, it's like mom and dad and they're sitting around the dinner table and hanging out with Ewoks and shit, um I guess I'm just going to be done with Predator and just try to remember the original and just wipe everything out of my mind.
01:05:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I guess.
01:05:12
Brandon
You know what I mean?
01:05:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. See, I enjoy a lot of aspects of all different ones.
01:05:14
Brandon
That's fantastic.
01:05:16
Kevin Dougherty
Like, personally, my favorite Yatcha is from one of the worst ones is Alien vs. Predator 2, Requiem. ah Because I think he's fucking super badass in that one.
01:05:27
Brandon
Yeah, well, he's an enforcer.
01:05:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. But...
01:05:30
Brandon
That's like his whole thing.
01:05:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I'm saying, like, he's he's probably my favorite Yatcha, but...
01:05:32
Brandon
Like he's
01:05:35
Kevin Dougherty
in one of my least favorite predator movies. So like, ah there's always aspects of all of them. I like it for, except for the predator that we hit that one's complete garbage.
01:05:40
Brandon
the thing I disliked most about that.
01:05:45
Brandon
The dog predator.
01:05:46
Kevin Dougherty
Where, ah no, I said the predator with the autism as a superpower and the predators are coming to collect all a like people's DNA and shit like that.
01:05:48
Brandon
Oh.
01:05:52
Brandon
Oh, yeah. Again, I think it's sad to talk about that movie, but I don't think you should, you you should try.
01:05:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:05:59
Kevin Dougherty
I'm surprised you weren't, I'm surprised you weren't just done with the entire predator franchise after that movie.
01:06:00
Brandon
That's another one.
01:06:05
Brandon
Well, I didn't really count that as anything. I thought it was more like Shane Black having a midlife crisis or something. I really have no idea where he was going. The only thing I liked about that was that he did incorporate certain aspects of lore in terms of technology.
01:06:22
Brandon
but again they don't share their technology it was just a ridiculous premise from start to finish um
01:06:29
Kevin Dougherty
But the best part about that was Jake Busey in the hospital scene, and then they failed to even bring up the fact that that was supposed to be Gary Busey's son from Predator 2.
01:06:40
Brandon
talking about but um the uh with the only thing that would have been cool um You were talking about how you thought the Predator from Requiem was real badass.
01:06:54
Brandon
I wish that for that ah film they had actually given him the full repertoire of Enforcer gear that you see in the comics.
01:07:04
Brandon
Because they get like this huge armor thing. And they do have like a thing where they'll have like four plasma casters that can rapid fire. they have the one And one of the things he has like a gigantic thing...
01:07:17
Brandon
that can like shoot like a bit it like powers up for a while and this thing can like wipe out like several city blocks like i walk wild
01:07:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, see, I think that's a little too much. I mean, he does rock two plasma casters, and I like when in that movie it breaks and he turns it into a a handheld weapon as well.
01:07:36
Kevin Dougherty
i wish I wish they just cut all the human aspect parts out of that movie and it just followed him going in, you know, investigating, you know, fucking around with the tech and then hunting the pred aliens and shit like that.
01:07:37
Brandon
it depends on the situation
01:07:50
Kevin Dougherty
That would have been a way better movie and a little bit brighter.
01:07:52
Brandon
He knew exactly what his mission was, and it was to go out there. like He's the one that would have detonated the nuclear bomb. like He was on a fucking ah containment, ah an elimination and containment mission. like It was a quarantine thing. They had broke something, and he wanted to fix it as quickly and hopefully as quietly as possible, but as a last case thing, he would have basically went, tackled that thing, and then set off his nuclear fucking, you know, self-destruct thing.
01:08:27
Brandon
Like, that was his job, to stop that at any cost.
01:08:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:08:31
Brandon
You know? So, anyway.
01:08:32
Kevin Dougherty
Which ah pretty much he did handto hand to hand. He didn't need this at all.
01:08:35
Brandon
Yeah, he should have had more gear. Like, I know that that whip he had that was made out of the, like, xenomorph scales was, like, real badass and stuff.
01:08:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. i was mom Yeah. How about it?
01:08:45
Brandon
He would have brought, like, a lot more attack, man. he would have been rocking, like, heavy armor. He would have been able to take that thing out real fast, in the comics, at least.
01:08:55
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
01:08:55
Brandon
But it was a terrible movie.
01:08:57
Kevin Dougherty
but
01:08:58
Brandon
But, yeah.
01:08:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:08:59
Brandon
That is A-V-A-T-E-O.
01:08:59
Kevin Dougherty
Anyway.
01:09:01
Brandon
But, um yeah, I mean, um hey, I'm glad that the one good thing, I'm glad you liked it. And, you know, I mean, I'm glad that like there's more interest in Predators and stuff like that.
01:09:09
Kevin Dougherty
looks you didn't like it.
01:09:13
Brandon
I just, if he could have made this movie about something else, or if this could have been another animated movie, maybe that would have, like, been better for me.
01:09:24
Kevin Dougherty
did I think I do remember saying that to you after I first watched it.
01:09:24
Brandon
Yeah.
01:09:27
Kevin Dougherty
I was thinking after the movie, i was like, you know what? This one probably should have been animated and Killer Killer should have been live action i
01:09:34
Brandon
that would have been so difficult to have killer killers live action with all the effects and stuff like that, the ships and it would have been a fucking major fucking thing.
01:09:40
Kevin Dougherty
It would have been more expensive with costumes and everything, too. Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:46
Brandon
Like think of all the, the aircraft that went through like the world war two scenes. And then, I mean, fucking, uh, like ah the ah With the samurais and all the effects that would have gone into that, going through all the fighting, the costumes.
01:10:04
Brandon
and
01:10:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and those segments were were like, they would have had to been like, each segment would have had to been like a full movie for it to be worth spending that much money on the costumes and stuff. yeah like
01:10:14
Brandon
Yeah, and like with the Vikings, you would have had to do it in like, like you had to film in like Iceland or something like that.
01:10:15
Kevin Dougherty
And the sets.
01:10:21
Brandon
You would have to film in like different climates and stuff like that. That would have been a very expensive project.
01:10:26
Kevin Dougherty
It would have been interesting to see what ah he would have done with that and in live action.
01:10:31
Brandon
No, I think, I think it would have been interesting, but it would have been very expensive.
01:10:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:10:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:10:37
Brandon
So.
01:10:37
Kevin Dougherty
no But yeah, I definitely feel you with this one could have been ah an animated one. Because I mean, it was a guy in a suit, but except for the face. ah But yeah, there was a lot of like him fighting other plants and creatures that were were all CGI. So like this one could have easily just been and um an animated feature.
01:11:00
Brandon
I also have no idea why he did not have any helmet, even on the escape pod. Like, he would have always had his helmet with him. I'm not sure why.
01:11:07
Kevin Dougherty
Well, you saw it take off and he gets like thrown across and knocked out and he wakes up as it's crashing so he only has time to eject.
01:11:09
Brandon
Although in the comics,
01:11:16
Brandon
but it's it's very strange. It kind of contradicts itself because um like at the end of the ah first Predator, and I'm not going to trail on ah very long. I know we're getting up there on time, but
01:11:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:11:29
Brandon
Um, in the, uh, something that's always bothered me is, um, in the first brother when he takes off his helmet and they talk about it in the, uh, video that you had sent me with those, um, two British gentlemen that they, he takes off, dude, he can barely fucking see without that fucking helmet.
01:11:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, where they
01:11:47
Kevin Dougherty
yeah. yeah
01:11:50
Brandon
And so, you know, you get the idea that like, you know, the Yatcha use their helmets and not just as like a combat thing, it's to compensate for their very poor eyesight, you know what I mean, and stuff like that. And it was also a mass communication device. And yet, in the lore and in the comics, you do see a lot of Yatcha go on hunts and they never have their helmets. So, I mean, if he was taking his inspiration all from that, And, I mean, it doesn't make sense in terms of, you know, I mean, it contradicts from the first movie to the rest of the lore.
01:12:34
Brandon
But, you know.
01:12:34
Kevin Dougherty
Well, here's what I got to say about that. A, the first movie was made in the eighty s so the technology wasn't necessarily there for the ah visions to look the way they do now, compared to, like, you know, when they're in that infrared, even.
01:12:49
Kevin Dougherty
So, like,
01:12:49
Brandon
um what do you What do you mean the visions to look the way?
01:12:54
Kevin Dougherty
We didn't have the technology back then for like the you know ah how when they're in the mask and the most recent ones ah dating back to to Predators, like the technology is much better for when you're seeing through the Predator's vision. But also, um remember that Earth only has one sun. Yatra Prime has three, I believe.
01:13:18
Kevin Dougherty
And I believe the planet that they're on also ends up ah ah having three. So I think it might depend on the planet that they're on help their vision.
01:13:26
Brandon
And the their vision, way ah their eyes see things, I'm not sure.
01:13:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's that's how I also took it. But um another thing that Trackenberg initially ah wanted to do with it was he wanted to do a like blind samurai type of thing where he's he's on this planet and he and he's going through the whole thing blind.
01:13:48
Kevin Dougherty
and doing it that way.
01:13:50
Brandon
I actually would have probably liked that more. But again, it it's very difficult because, like I said, in some comics, you see everybody like geared up in all their shit, helmets and everything. They don't speak at all because they you know do all their stuff through sight and basically a text system. But yet in other comics...
01:14:13
Brandon
you'll see Yatcha go on, like, these big-ass battles, and they don't have a helmet at all. They have all these kind of crazy weapons and stuff. They're using plasma casters and all kinds of shit, but yet they have no helmet on, and, like, they're on, like, strange alien worlds, like, For example, the Bad Blood Predator, after it killed the entire ship of Predators, because it was just mentally unhinged, like, it had access to all the weapons from the crashed ship, and that Predator, well, again, i guess it was a mentally unhinged yadda.
01:14:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:47
Brandon
It leaves that tech, it takes off its helmet, and it bounces, and it instead, like, goes and starts, like, ah using, like, weapons that made out of bones and stuff.
01:14:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:14:58
Brandon
I guess that's a bad example because, but I think it's funny to think, I mean, that might bode well for your argument that, like, you know, the Yatcha have, like, human emotions because that thing obviously was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.
01:14:58
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:15:15
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:15:15
Brandon
So, like, you know, there you go, Doc.
01:15:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Rage. Yeah.
01:15:17
Brandon
Maybe well it's...
01:15:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:15:20
Brandon
If anybody doesn't know, it's one of my favorite stories, The Bad Blood Predator. Look it up. it's It's funny and it's very interesting.
01:15:30
Brandon
It kills so many it kills so many other yatcha. It kills so many people. It like takes out like two CIA helicopters. It's just a fucking riot. But anyway, yeah, I mean –
01:15:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but that's iny again, in the end, that's kind of what I like about um this priority and all the other predators, except for that one, is that like none of it really breaks Thor, and you can always put it down to like that's a different clan than the one, than the predator that I like, so it's like, you know, there's bad blood predators, there's fucking, there's all different types of clans that have different you know ah ways of doing things, and ways and ways of
01:16:09
Brandon
Slightly different, but they all do pretty much adhere to a certain set of values. Like there's some values that pretty much universal.
01:16:22
Brandon
I know what you mean. that Some do things differently.
01:16:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:16:25
Brandon
Some are more brutal than others. Some hunt differently. Some hunt like what we would call...
01:16:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:16:32
Brandon
on the, it would be in a gray area of whether or not that's honorable or not, and I think that's what you're talking about, but in general, there's sort of like a universal thing that they all share, and this was developed after, like, you know, after getting the Yamengis technology, which, you know, is something that we'll talk about at another time, because that's, that's a whole fucking other rabbit hole, there's just so much to fucking cover there, so, um,
01:16:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:16:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:17:01
Brandon
But yeah, I don't know. For me, like I said, this was a bummer. um I hope in the future maybe things will be different for the next film. So I'm not saying that I'm never going to watch another Predator movie.
01:17:15
Brandon
But if it continues in this trend, then it will probably be the end of the franchise for me personally.
01:17:24
Kevin Dougherty
So you wouldn't watch a sequel to this, but if there was and another Predator movie that was unrelated to it, you would probably check that out.
01:17:31
Brandon
I probably wouldn't watch it if it was a direct sequel to this.
01:17:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:17:36
Brandon
I probably would stay away from it unless people told me, like, yo, this goat the sequel like is totally different and goes back to basics.
01:17:46
Brandon
Like, I would maybe listen to a cast like this one right now to get spoilers to see if I wanted it to actually invest my time in the movie, if it was a direct sequel.
01:17:59
Brandon
If it was something different, if he was just doing another project, it was a totally new story, I would definitely check it out.
01:17:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:18:07
Brandon
I'm not saying like, hey, this guy's house should be bombed and he should never be allowed to, you know, make another movie again. I don't want to come out that way, but like, If his next project is not like a little bit in my eyes, like, you know, getting back to basics, then, yeah it would probably be the end for me.
01:18:29
Brandon
But I don't think that's
Predator Franchise's Future and Creative Ideas
01:18:31
Brandon
going to happen. I think, like you said, he's talking about bouncing around.
01:18:32
Kevin Dougherty
Thank you.
01:18:34
Brandon
So hopefully his next project is like a little bit more. of a crowd pleaser that maybe brings the 50% of the people that love this movie and then the 50% of the other people that dread this movie.
01:18:48
Brandon
Maybe this will be something that can kind of blend all the ideas together and make something that's like more of a crowd pleaser.
01:18:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, he's talked about like it being something that that he's never seen before. ah Not just with this franchise, but kind of in in general. ah So I'm interested in to see what that is.
01:19:10
Kevin Dougherty
na
01:19:10
Brandon
That scares me.
01:19:11
Kevin Dougherty
And, ah well, it's kind of like this. This hasn't been seen yet in where you're following a fucking Yatcha for the fucking first time and like you're getting one of their stories, so...
01:19:16
Brandon
Oh.
01:19:22
Kevin Dougherty
It could be something completely different as well. I mean, I know he's, ah he's talked about doing ah a couple different things and even eventually getting a, ah like an alien versus predator movie, but he was saying like, not in the traditional way where it would called alien versus predator.
01:19:37
Kevin Dougherty
It would be like a predator movie where suddenly a fucking alien shows up or something like that. So it wouldn't be just straight up called alien versus predator. It would just like happen.
01:19:47
Kevin Dougherty
He was talking about,
01:19:48
Brandon
yeah anymore zeni I want to want it to be separate. I don't want to see Alien and Predator anymore. don't want that.
01:19:56
Kevin Dougherty
Right. he he was talking about like being more a na He was talking about it being in a more natural way than then it seemed like the way they did it in Alien vs.
01:19:58
Brandon
You want that?
01:20:07
Kevin Dougherty
Predator was more for like a financial... like oh let's like Because it was right around the face in First Prey.
01:20:12
Brandon
Oh, yeah.
01:20:14
Kevin Dougherty
He said like those those movies don't focus as much on the story aspect as as much as he and like he was like, I want to work in...
01:20:14
Brandon
Yeah.
01:20:21
Kevin Dougherty
So it works into it a little bit more naturally. And I think this would be a good jumping off point.
01:20:24
Brandon
yeah
01:20:27
Kevin Dougherty
for that because you've already introduced wayland yutani so you could go on from there but who knows i don't know i'm excited for the future whether you're not so that but it's a shame you didn't like it i was hoping you did but
01:20:40
Brandon
No, no, I think it actually bodes well because I think you made some very good points and you know, I just, I had my counterpoints and i actually think like when discussing something, in a podcast format like this.
01:20:56
Brandon
Obviously, these this is a franchise that both you and I are very passionate about. And I think that like sometimes to have like the disagreement is good.
01:21:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:21:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:21:06
Brandon
you know i mean I think it makes for a better discussion.
01:21:08
Brandon
And like I said, I think that it's pretty much like there's been a 50-50 divide in this. But the good thing is is that people are pumped about the Predator right now.
01:21:21
Brandon
and more stuff is going to be um in development down the pipeline. So we're going to see more Predator. I'm just hoping that it's, like I said, I hope it's the next film is either, um well, I don't know if I want it to be animated.
01:21:37
Brandon
I think I'd prefer, well, I think it'd be dope if there was another animated one, but I also want to see another live action one in the not too distant future.
01:21:47
Kevin Dougherty
Oh yeah, absolutely.
01:21:48
Kevin Dougherty
I think ah we might get like one and one, you know, the way, the way it goes, depending on how long it takes.
01:21:48
Brandon
Yeah.
01:21:52
Brandon
Yeah, would be dope, even if it was stuff he was kind of doing like back to back or even at the same time.
01:21:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:21:59
Brandon
And um I'm hoping that he's going to take fan feedback and be like, you know what? All right, I see that some people like this, some people didn't. And, you know, maybe he's going to bring the war together and make more of, um you know, try to kind of bridge the gaps and stuff like that.
01:22:16
Brandon
If I had one story, though, that I would like to be told It would be about the pistol, you know, the one that um it's represented in Prey.
01:22:28
Brandon
It's represented at the end of um Predator 2. I love this story about the Predator that goes back to like Nassau during um the piracy age.
01:22:41
Brandon
And he's like fighting pirates on different pirate ships. I would love, even if it was just like a brief like introduction, because that's the predator on that you were talking about with Danny Glover that like goes up and through I would love it if like it was that would be dope.
01:22:54
Kevin Dougherty
yeah To get his backstory Yeah yeah i know they I know they talk about it comics I believe Yeah Yeah now Yeah
01:23:00
Brandon
If I could pick anything in the future, it would be about his backstory. That's who I would like to follow, you know? So,
01:23:11
Brandon
Yeah, he but ah in the in film, like, I think it would be really fucking dope if, like, you did his backstory because he's, like, a veteran hunter. And i know in the comics, they he i think he's, like, something like four, like somewhere between four and 500 years old.
01:23:30
Brandon
I don't even know exactly how long Niyotika lived, but I know he's, like, hundreds of years old.
01:23:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:23:36
Brandon
So that would be my ideal next film. I would be real stoked about that.
01:23:41
Kevin Dougherty
I know one of the other ideas I heard him say was that like initially they were going to do ah um Predator versus like Nazis pretty much in like in World War two
01:23:51
Brandon
Oh, really?
01:23:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:23:53
Brandon
Oh, shit, man. I mean, they could throw honor out the window there, man. Slay as many those fuckers as you want.
01:23:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:24:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:24:00
Brandon
I mean, well, I mean, he he would also be like the not, I mean, the army at that time, there were like millions of them.
01:24:08
Brandon
So he would have free reign. He could use all the tricks of the trade there.
01:24:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. and
01:24:13
Brandon
Yeah, oh it dude, I would be pumped about that. I would definitely be pumped about that.
01:24:21
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:24:21
Brandon
Like, kind of like, uh, what was in glorious bastards, the bear Jew?
01:24:25
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:24:25
Brandon
He would be going and skinning and fucking like, yeah, that would be, yeah, that would be, uh, something very, very interesting too. I'll tell you that if it's, if it's not about the, um,
01:24:37
Brandon
I don't remember his name from the comics, but if it's not about the one that fights the pirates, Predators vs. Nazis would definitely be very appealing to me.
01:24:47
Kevin Dougherty
yeah see that's what's great about the priority universe is like you can just set these at any time against against anyone like it's yeah and you can have any you can have so many different types of stories to tell and they're all mostly self-contained really uh
01:24:53
Brandon
Yeah.
01:24:58
Brandon
Yeah.
01:25:05
Brandon
Yeah, exactly. You can go to different worlds. You can go any time period.
01:25:07
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:25:09
Brandon
You can go way in the past, way in the future. You can do it in the present. Yeah, and you have the whole universe to fuck around with.
Closing Thoughts and Holiday Greetings
01:25:17
Brandon
So, yeah.
01:25:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and when somebody was like breaking down the timeline for him, at one point they had passed Predators, and he was like, why do you have this set in 2010? Because is that the year came out? And they were like, yeah. And he was like, okay. And he went down the list, and he was like, he was like I would say that that's a pretty good list, but just ah note that some things in that list, just because of the year it came out, doesn't mean it's necessarily set in that year.
01:25:40
Kevin Dougherty
So I put that as Predators could really take place at any time.
01:25:41
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
01:25:44
Brandon
yeah
01:25:45
Kevin Dougherty
Because they could have been frozen like in Killer of Killers.
01:25:45
Brandon
yeah
01:25:47
Kevin Dougherty
And the same thing with kill the end the the fourth part of Killer of Killers. That could take place at any time as well. Since they don't date either of those two besides like the release date. You'd never know, like, maybe, like, later on, because I know i think they did in a ah follow-up comic of what happened to the ah the one girl that survived in Predators, but they didn't ah show what happened to Adrian Brody, so, like, he could show up, you know what i mean, for all we know.
01:26:14
Kevin Dougherty
Like, it all depends on when he wants it to be set, so since there's no set date in the movie, so I think that's really interesting.
01:26:17
Brandon
Yeah.
01:26:21
Kevin Dougherty
So...
01:26:21
Brandon
Yeah, no, I think so too. But um that's all I have for this evening. Doc, do you have anything ah else you wanted to add? or
01:26:30
Kevin Dougherty
ah No, not really. Yeah.
01:26:33
Brandon
we ah We ran a bit long, but yeah there's a lot to talk about.
01:26:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:26:36
Kevin Dougherty
incredible well we
01:26:37
Brandon
you know We obviously had differing opinions and I appreciate ah everybody for joining us. So you know follow us on the all the, you know, whatever the fuck you want use, ah iTunes or Facebook or, you know, whatever social platform is your preference.
01:26:48
Kevin Dougherty
ah for me strip in a
01:26:56
Brandon
And everybody have a happy Thanksgiving and good night and good luck.
01:27:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and we'll try to get ah maybe a few ah before December, but if not, it's because we're taking a break for the holiday because I get really busy during that time. So ah if we don't see you before Christmas, ah then also have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, and we'll see sometime in the future. We did watch a lot of things recently, so we have a lot to talk about. so All right.
01:27:25
Kevin Dougherty
Thanks.
01:27:26
Brandon
Cheers.
01:27:26
Kevin Dougherty
Have a good night.