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Alien 1.5
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We discuss the new Alien: Romulus movie and where it ranks in the franchise
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New Year's Tradition and Nosferatu
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Kevin Dougherty
All right, welcome back to Fright Central. I'm Doc, and back here again, as always, ah is Keck, and Happy New Year.
00:00:27
Keck
Happy New Year, man. What did you do this year? Were you a good boy?
00:00:32
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I started off the New Year, right, on New Year's Day, i watched no feratu and It came out on Christmas Day,
00:00:37
Keck
Ooh, good. Fucking way of bringing in the new year. Is that the day that it came out? Did it come out on New Year's Day?
Film Access Disparity: Hollywood vs East Coast
00:00:45
Kevin Dougherty
I believe.
00:00:45
Keck
Oh, sure. That is very appropriate.
00:00:46
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Well, I thought it was more of a Valentine's Day movie, but, uh,
00:00:55
Kevin Dougherty
you know, cause it's a love story, but, uh, you know, the love triangle between, the you know, Nosferatu and, uh, uh, Nicholas Holt and, So then I watched, uh, there, they are the, well, I don't even know what year, 30th anniversary of, uh, seven.
00:01:01
Keck
yeah
00:01:04
Keck
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:01:18
Kevin Dougherty
and IMAX.
00:01:20
Keck
Is that what the reason was that they were airing it? It wasn't just like a random airing, like it had like a purpose. It was an anniversary airing.
00:01:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it was like an anniversary and they just put out like a new 4k edition, I believe as well.
00:01:35
Keck
Oh, really? And so AMC ah like aired that nationally then.
00:01:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:01:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't just an LA thing.
00:01:42
Keck
Cool.
00:01:43
Kevin Dougherty
Like I was looking at other theaters just to like double check because you were saying you don't really get a lot of that stuff ah on the east coast.
00:01:51
Keck
Well, I mean, it depends where you are.
00:01:51
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, it's only a three.
00:01:53
Keck
I mean, if you're in like New York City or something like that, sure, you probably have access to a comparable amount of content.
00:01:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:02:02
Keck
But in general, I mean, you're in the land of ah film, like, you know, you are in the Hollywood area.
00:02:07
Kevin Dougherty
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:02:10
Keck
So you're always have more.
00:02:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. but Yeah, this was an IMAX exclusive. So any any AMC that had an IMAX it was playing in. So and I wanted to go to the seven o'clock showing because, you know, seven seven.
00:02:25
Keck
Seven, seven.
00:02:25
Kevin Dougherty
and That one was like it said almost full when I looked at it was like just like the front two rows. And I was like, damn, I was like, all right. I didn't realize like people were rushing out to fucking see that like a 30 year old movie.
00:02:37
Kevin Dougherty
But so I went to no.
00:02:38
Keck
And you did that. Well, you did it on New Year's Day. You know, there's a lot of people.
00:02:41
Kevin Dougherty
no That was a...
00:02:43
Keck
Oh, I thought you said you brought in the new year right by going to the movies. I thought you meant you went on New Year's Day.
00:02:48
Kevin Dougherty
Oh. No, I went all New Year's Day to see Nosferatu, but this
00:02:51
Keck
Yeah.
00:02:53
Kevin Dougherty
So I went Friday night for...
00:02:55
Keck
gotcha oh you're talking about seven it was a pack theater oh shit I thought you were all right I was confused there so
00:02:57
Kevin Dougherty
For seven. seven, yeah. Yeah, seven.
00:03:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Well, Nosferatu was ah pretty busy, too. I mean, that's made a lot of money. We'll we'll get into that later on. when we talk about like our best stuff because I don't think you' you haven't had a chance to watch it yet, right?
00:03:16
Keck
Nosferatu, I have not seen it. I probably should have tried to see it when my power went out. My power's been periodically going out and it's fucking freezing.
00:03:28
Keck
We're supposed to have a fucking epic snowstorm tonight. They said we might get half a foot dropped on us.
00:03:34
Kevin Dougherty
oh
00:03:35
Keck
And fucking the power company's like,
00:03:37
Keck
Yeah, we're sorry. The power's been going out because it's been cold. That's the reason that they gave. So I should have went to go see this, Vrathu, when you suggested it.
00:03:48
Keck
Like, I was calling you trying to, like, talk to you and, like, knock off time, like, in the dark, in the cold. And I should have probably tried driving to a movie theater and just being like, you know, whatever, you know, just walk in and just see movies until the place closes, you know what I mean?
00:04:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, um I'm just here to see whatever you got.
00:04:09
Keck
Yeah, exactly. like I have no power at my house. It's dark and cold.
00:04:11
Kevin Dougherty
just
00:04:13
Keck
like Whatever you guys have.
00:04:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:04:17
Keck
Yeah.
00:04:18
Kevin Dougherty
You're going to see Moana and Wicket.
00:04:21
Keck
Anything.
00:04:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:04:22
Keck
Yeah, anything really.
00:04:25
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah,
Friday the 13th Game Servers Offline
00:04:27
Kevin Dougherty
I do have some news before we start off.
00:04:31
Keck
Well, before we start off Crystal Lake News, there is none.
00:04:35
Kevin Dougherty
I do have Friday 13th news though.
00:04:35
Keck
on into that.
00:04:39
Kevin Dougherty
It's not very good news, but it's ah the Friday 13th game. ah The servers have officially gone offline as of December 31st, New Year's Eve. so
00:04:50
Keck
Yeah, I mean I'm not really surprised by that. um I don't know many people that were playing the game and I did notice the last time I played the game there were like some really ridiculously like unrealistic trophies like achievements that they want you to get like one was Play in a multiplayer, and ah when you play in the multiplayer, you need to play as Jason one thousand times. and you I'm not fucking around. like If you go on Xbox and open up the game, that's one of the achievements.
00:05:30
Keck
and the thing is is when you enter into a multiplayer lobby you're randomly assigned either Jason or one of the counselors you're either working together or you know you're that's just kind of ridiculous to think that you you would have to enter the multiplayer lobby like over 10,000 times statistically speaking
00:05:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Cause it's like a lot of one in six pants to get Jason.
00:05:53
Keck
Yeah, yeah there's there's five counselors.
00:05:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:56
Keck
is that that There's a number of five counselors in Jason.
00:05:57
Kevin Dougherty
I think so.
00:05:59
Keck
So it's a total of six players at a time.
00:06:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:06:03
Keck
So yeah, like if you think about it, statistically speaking, you would probably have to play, I mean, over 6,000 times, ah minimum 6,000.
00:06:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:06:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:15
Keck
So I mean, it's kind of ridiculous. I'm not surprised by that. so
00:06:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's what yeah, so but um yeah, I mean, it's mostly because of the rights and and everything, not necessarily because people aren't playing it is because they weren't allowed to keep the servers up anymore, even though I know fans wanted it, but.
00:06:35
Keck
Well, ah you're saying that there was like a significant amount of traffic on the server still?
00:06:40
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, I don't know how many people.
00:06:41
Keck
Because I saw it as a game that like kind of was just fizzling out like because it was dated and stuff like that. like I think it didn't it originally come out for the 360 or was it an Xbox One game?
00:06:57
Keck
I'm trying to think of the gen.
00:06:58
Kevin Dougherty
Uh, I think, yeah, but I think most of the people that have stopped playing it was because it was like they knew it was going offline.
00:06:59
Keck
I'm not sure if it was how old it was.
00:07:08
Kevin Dougherty
So I think that's why a lot of people would stop playing. I think there was still a fan base out there for it.
00:07:12
Keck
yeah i'm not Yeah, I'm not sure.
00:07:12
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I never really. into
00:07:14
Keck
I just thought like you know there's always a period of time where they're going to shut down the servers to a game like after X amount of years. and My point is, I think Friday the 13th is about 10 years old.
00:07:28
Keck
So for them to shut off the servers um after a decade, that's kind of common for any game that it is, you know what I mean?
00:07:28
Kevin Dougherty
is middle
00:07:38
Keck
Unfortunately, like, you know, you see games like the Shooters and stuff like that, usually they'll stay on with updated versions of those games. We are not getting a Friday of the 13th Part 2.
00:07:50
Keck
So at least a video game version.
00:07:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure I'm sure. I'm sure we'll get a new video game for it in all, like, eventually.
00:08:00
Keck
I have no expectation of that happening.
00:08:01
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, I don't either. But I mean, I'm sure, like, once the the series comes out this year.
00:08:03
Keck
yeah
00:08:07
Keck
if if
00:08:08
Kevin Dougherty
so But ah they did talk, I know Sean Cunningham had talked about, like, you know, bringing a new game eventually as well, you know, because they want to keep that IP going.
00:08:19
Keck
he's He's also been talking about a movie now for what, ah going on 20 years?
00:08:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but yeah, they only He just got the rights back to it though, so We'll say yeah Anyway moving on.
00:08:27
Keck
It is like it it's closer to 20 than it is to 15. Just saying.
00:08:38
Kevin Dougherty
Uh, I
Golden Globes and Horror Category
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Kevin Dougherty
didn't know Until uh right actually before we are casting that the Golden Golden Globes were tonight so That's going on but there there was two horror things that uh one Jody Foster one for
00:08:46
Keck
I never watched, I never really watched them.
00:08:57
Kevin Dougherty
best female actor in the limited series anthology series, uh, for, uh, yeah.
00:09:00
Keck
She got her true detective? What?
00:09:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I know you hated her, uh, performance.
00:09:08
Keck
No, I didn't. Well, actually, I wasn't a fan of her performance. No, I didn't like her. Well, I didn't like her character. I i mean, ever.
00:09:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:09:17
Keck
I mean, it's over the user reviews for um true detective the viewer reviews are have been appalling by both critics and ah fans like well I mean like if you want to call them professional critics I guess I don't really i'll now that there are I don't know if anybody i would consider a professional critic, but that's a whole other discussion.
00:09:50
Keck
ah That season of True Detective was very poorly received.
00:09:55
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I mean, apparently apparently not if you want a Golden Globe for it.
00:09:57
Keck
Overwhelmingly, that I feel
00:10:00
Kevin Dougherty
so But also Demi Moore won for the substance in ah for the category of best ah al best actress in a musical or a comedy.
00:10:13
Kevin Dougherty
Because they don't have a horror a horror section.
00:10:16
Keck
Wait, so would Joey Forest, what was her, uh, Golden Globe if they don't have horror?
00:10:21
Kevin Dougherty
Hers was a ah Jodie Foster's was for female actor in a limited series or anthology. And ah yeah, Demi Morris was for a musical or comedy.
00:10:36
Keck
I don't even know how to react to that, to be honest with you.
00:10:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:10:40
Keck
um I would rather just be like, hey, we're the Golden Globe Awards and we discriminate against horror.
00:10:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. it is yeah
00:10:47
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:10:47
Keck
At least be real.
00:10:49
Kevin Dougherty
This is more was awarded the best performance by female actor in a motion picture musical comedy for her turn as Elizabeth sparkle in the horror film the substance. so it's like
00:10:59
Keck
What the fuck?
00:11:01
Kevin Dougherty
I guess that's the only category they could fucking throw her in because like they don't they didn't have anything else.
00:11:10
Keck
Yeah.
00:11:11
Kevin Dougherty
They're like, I don't know, what is this? um I mean, the best part, I mean, there's like some funny moments, I guess, like...
00:11:21
Keck
I think we talked about this last cast. There's no um reality in which that movie was a comedy.
00:11:28
Kevin Dougherty
No.
00:11:28
Keck
um about There's just not.
00:11:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:11:31
Keck
you know ah you know I think Liam Neeson makes a few jokes as Oscar Schindler in Schindler's List. I wouldn't you know call Schindler's List a comedy.
00:11:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:11:42
Kevin Dougherty
I wouldn't call Jenner's list a horror movie either, even though there's horrific things that happen.
00:11:42
Keck
oh
00:11:45
Keck
No, i'm yeah I'm just saying like somebody could tell a joke that makes you laugh once in the movie.
00:11:47
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:11:51
Keck
It doesn't make it a comedy.
00:11:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:11:53
Keck
I can't really think of anything. Yeah, no, not even gonna waste my time trying to fumble about that in the brain, but ah moving on.
00:12:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, it was it's nominated for five Golden Globes. That's the one that I mean, ah apparently only started at like ah six o'clock my time. So it's still going on.
00:12:14
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know if it's won anything else since then. But yeah.
00:12:17
Keck
i i Personally don't care like I mean that's like what I was saying like about I don't know if I consider there to be professional critics anymore like remember Cisco and neighbor and Like I don't I don't recognize the Golden Globes or the Academy or anything.
00:12:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:12:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:12:32
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, they got plenty of things are wrong.
00:12:36
Keck
I don't really recognize that as like I I don't know, I guess professionals, like I don't really see how you are a professional critic. I don't think that exists anymore.
00:12:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, uh, I don't, I don't know if critics, uh, um, vote for, you know, for best performance or anything like that.
00:12:50
Keck
Everybody has different interpretations.
00:12:58
Kevin Dougherty
I think it's all done by the. other people that work in the industry, like other actors and and directors and stuff. I think that like the, like like the Academy Awards, I think it's all, you know, people in that industry that vote for the best performance.
00:13:14
Keck
Yeah, i I guess I don't really trust those people in that industry that vote. I don't believe that their opinions ah should ah be anywhere like above, like, you know, just your Joe Schmo me and you watching the content and forming our own ah opinion of it.
00:13:29
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah.
00:13:34
Keck
You know,
00:13:34
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, it's good for her because that's good for her career and stuff. So I mean, it's always good for the for an actor or director to win something like that because then like, you know, he's like be like, you know, use that for the next movie or to get another movie.
00:13:47
Kevin Dougherty
So not like we need to pay attention to it, but it's it's good for for the actors to to win to win that, I guess.
00:13:47
Keck
Yeah, I guess.
00:13:53
Keck
Well, I guess for Demi Moore, I mean, because Demi Moore apparently plays Jon Hamm's wife in the series Landman. And um I watch it and I didn't even realize Demi Moore was in it.
00:14:06
Keck
I didn't even know, like she was, she would her screen time was like in the whole first season was like 10 minutes.
00:14:06
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, man.
00:14:15
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, really?
00:14:15
Keck
Or no, I think no, 10 minutes is ah ah well over probably less than five minutes. less than five I would say her screen time she probably has about three or four lines in the whole season like or not even like maybe more words like hi hello nice to see you like something like that like she's literally in it but not in it if you know what I mean yeah you're not missing anything
00:14:26
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, really? Oh, man.
00:14:43
Kevin Dougherty
Okay. I mean, I haven't watched that and I don't really have any interest to, but I'll take your word for it. Um, but also speaking of the substance, uh, yeah, uh, it's officially coming to, uh, Blu-ray and, uh, 4k on January 21st.
00:15:00
Keck
oh Cool, so people don't have to get that like seven day sub and then worry about canceling it
00:15:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. we get there Or wait till the summer. Cause I think that was the initial.
Alien Earth: Prequel to Alien
00:15:10
Kevin Dougherty
They i think I remember reading that it wasn't coming to like the following summer, so at least it's coming. It's coming soon, which is good.
00:15:18
Kevin Dougherty
And then, ah yeah, that's all the news I really have right now. ah I mean, there's other I mean, we can talk about Alien Romulus and Alien Earth news. I mean, it's officially um said that Alien Earth takes place two years before Alien.
00:15:35
Kevin Dougherty
And it's ah going to be ah basically a crash on Earth that a ah team goes out to investigate. And you know they run into the alien. And Timmy's ultimate's in it.
00:15:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:15:48
Keck
They run into the alien on Earth two years before the first alien movie takes place.
00:15:57
Kevin Dougherty
yes
00:15:59
Keck
And so I'm guessing that based on that encounter is going to be how Ripley says the company knew about the xenomorphs before they ever sent them there.
00:16:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:16:11
Keck
All right, yeah, I can kind of see. Well, im I guess that would make sense.
00:16:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:16:17
Keck
even though like the whole thing throughout every Alien movie I think they always say like the one thing we can't have is this thing getting back to earth because then it would be game over so I guess it was like game over before they knew what the game really was game over man game over
00:16:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but that's what the company would want. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the company was always trying The company was always trying to bring it back to earth and they were, and it was all like the rational people that were like, yeah, we can't have this back on earth.
00:16:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:16:47
Keck
yeah well the company denied its own existence like so you know i guess this would be i'm just you know i haven't read the script i'm just guessing here but that's
00:16:47
Kevin Dougherty
they're snake Yeah.
00:16:52
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:17:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. All I think we can do, So.
00:17:02
Keck
But in your opinion, does my like hypothesis make sense of how they would go about it? Because like I'm assuming that's the only way the company could have known without direct observation on that.
00:17:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:17:17
Keck
um What was the name of the point? LV 429, I think it was called?
00:17:20
Kevin Dougherty
426, I believe.
00:17:23
Keck
426.
00:17:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:17:25
Keck
Yeah, so well yeah, I don't know what LV stands for, or if it's even LV. um But thought yeah, so... that was the planet that they were also generating an atmosphere for. Basically trying to turn the air like breathable so that it could have like a dense like vegetation and normal habitation. So somehow that alien got here to earth with us two years before that movie.
00:17:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. So.
00:18:00
Keck
And I'm trying to think of how, like, Prometheus could fit into this because in Prometheus they're saying that, like, um, those beings that, like, created the precursor for the alien species to, yeah, um, they were making, like, weapons of mass destruction to, like, totally wipe us out.
00:18:15
Kevin Dougherty
Engineer. Yeah.
00:18:23
Keck
Like, they were gonna send real pest shit to the Earth. And so yeah, I mean, I get there's tons of avenues that you could pursue for that story.
00:18:34
Keck
But yeah, that's going to be kind of interesting.
00:18:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:18:38
Keck
I would not think to make it actually so that the xenomorph got free on Earth. But yeah, I mean, it's interesting.
00:18:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:18:48
Keck
I'll definitely check it out.
00:18:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I mean, it's Noah Hawley who did Legion and, uh, Fargo. So, uh, I'm looking forward to it. I don't think he, I mean, he's only had one bad season of Fargo, but, uh, all the rest are great.
00:18:56
Keck
Yeah.
00:19:01
Kevin Dougherty
And, uh, Legion is great.
00:19:01
Keck
Yeah, I mean, oh, that's who we that's who's doing it.
00:19:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:07
Keck
Shit, I wouldn't really, well, you know, I mean, I think it was Fargo, either season two or season three, where like a flying saucer just shows up at the end and there's aliens.
00:19:21
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:19:22
Keck
It's one of the Fargos. I remember watching it and like calling you like right afterwards like and being like, yo yeah and you're like, yeah, I don't know what the fuck.
00:19:24
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:19:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:32
Keck
like yeah they're like It had nothing to do with aliens just land. like There's a straight up flying saucer.
00:19:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. and Maybe it's a xenomorph. ah
00:19:41
Keck
yeah i mean But yeah, so i mean I was trying to think because I can't really see that being like his cup of tea. Based on what I've seen him do in the past, I don't know if he's done any...
00:19:54
Keck
Well, you know what? I shouldn't say that because I'm not really familiar with um his direction of sci-fi and horror. For all I know, he's got a whole bunch of credits to that.
00:20:02
Kevin Dougherty
Well, you never watched Legion, did you?
00:20:05
Keck
I'm not really sure, so I guess I shouldn't say that.
00:20:10
Kevin Dougherty
And that was pretty-fi.
00:20:10
Keck
I did watch Ouija.
00:20:12
Keck
Yeah.
00:20:14
Keck
Yeah, I yeah, I mean, I guess I guess but yeah, I get I don't know.
00:20:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:20:22
Keck
I didn't really take it that Legion I kind of took as like just um
00:20:28
Keck
I don't know. It was just weird. I don't know what you would call it. Just strange and oddity. So I guess science fiction. I guess that fits. Wasn't Legion like a Marvel character?
00:20:39
Keck
Wasn't that like supposed to be the story of like Xavier's son or something like that? Who was like schizophrenic?
00:20:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yep. Yes.
00:20:48
Keck
that's yeah yeah I mean comic book I guess comics are I didn't really take that as just any comic book movie though because I actually like that and I hate everything Marvel so ah they didn't really make any reference to at least that I remember like any like outward reference to like ah his father being Xavier in the X-Men or anything like that they kind of built like their own story around it
00:20:49
Kevin Dougherty
And everybody's not paid like.
00:21:14
Kevin Dougherty
Well,
00:21:16
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, Xavier does show up in the third season, but it was like still like when he was walking and and before the X-Men. So that's why the X-Men are never like mentioned. So like he still had both his like likes, the like the mobility.
00:21:30
Keck
Oh, he was like young at that point and like, not yeah.
00:21:32
Kevin Dougherty
yeah i was younger Yeah.
00:21:35
Kevin Dougherty
There's like time travel involved and stuff and flash.
00:21:38
Keck
Yeah, I guess I never really remembered like there being any like ah reference to like the comic book characters or anything like that. And but maybe it's because like I really don't know that much about it because I dislike it and have such disdain for it. um But the yeah, I remember season three, me being like, I don't think that this is very good because I think they killed off all Aubrey Plaza's character like very quickly in that season because she was like, my favorite thing about Legion was her character.
00:22:10
Kevin Dougherty
They killed her off in like the first season, but she's in every every season. She's in the third season.
00:22:17
Keck
Yeah, she is in the third season. They kill her off very quickly in the third season.
00:22:22
Kevin Dougherty
Well, no, not really.
00:22:25
Keck
I don't know. i I don't remember her really being in the third season other than like there were there was like a scene where they were at like um a dinner table.
00:22:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:37
Keck
And she was in that and she went into a depression and yeah, she barely had any airtime in the third season at all. They kill her off very quickly, like within the first two episodes.
00:22:48
Keck
And I think the third season is actually a lot shorter than the other seasons. It's only like six episodes and the other two are ten, I believe. I could be totally wrong. I mean, this is going on a ridiculous sidebar, but um I'm not even sure how the fuck we got to Legion from Alien, but
00:23:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, let's get back to...
00:23:05
Kevin Dougherty
Because Noah Hawley's doing Alien Earth, the TV series.
00:23:09
Keck
And he directed all three seasons, where he was the creator.
00:23:09
Kevin Dougherty
He did Legion.
00:23:13
Kevin Dougherty
Well, he was the showrunner. He was the creator, showrunner.
00:23:16
Keck
that He was showrunner.
00:23:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. So I only know about ah Fargo and and Legion.
00:23:20
Keck
Other than Legion, ah what else sci-fi horror does he have to his credit?
00:23:30
Kevin Dougherty
So I'd have to look it up to see.
00:23:30
Keck
No.
00:23:32
Kevin Dougherty
I don't think he's done a whole lot else.
00:23:36
Kevin Dougherty
But anyway.
00:23:36
Keck
Well, either way either way, I mean, I wouldn't um expect him to be doing this ah this film. ah But I feel it. like I mean, what he did with um ah Fargo was extraordinary. And like he obviously has like interest in ah this type of topic. So I'm interested in where he would go in this.
00:24:00
Keck
ah
00:24:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:24:01
Keck
Like you know there's so many like theories we could have but the thing that makes sense the most is that like the company is gonna like at the end like have the embryo like they're gonna find out I don't know if they really um in the alien universe.
00:24:16
Keck
I'm not sure how much depth they go into, at least in the films, as to what ah Ripley's company was all about. i know that they manufacture i mean They're obviously into like um ah universe terraforming and stuff like that.
00:24:34
Kevin Dougherty
and synthetics, androids, and, yeah.
00:24:35
Keck
like Yeah, it's an Android, so they're a big technology. They're kind of like SpaceX.
00:24:42
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:24:42
Keck
You know you kind of get that Elon Musk, like you know what I mean? like Venture out. like you know i mean They make atmosphere generators, and you know they talk about like how they go to a planet, and they put these generators on there, and it takes decades.
00:24:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:24:58
Keck
But like it create so like they're like the cutting edge.
00:25:01
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:25:01
Keck
and you get kind of the idea that like their budget is you know they're one of the biggest companies on earth and probably in the whole universe you know i don't know how big the universe is in the alien universe like i don't but they talk i mean they obviously colonized other planets so you know and you see that in romulus do you want to kind of give like your initial
00:25:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I hear that.
00:25:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, yeah. Yes. Yeah, well, ah the Alien Realm of the series takes place between Alien and Aliens, and it's ah basically um about a group of young space colonists ah who um want to get off their planet, seeing as like they thought they had, you know, that's like a mining planet.
00:25:48
Kevin Dougherty
It's it's like they never see the fucking sun. It's real dark and grim.
00:25:52
Keck
Yeah, very great.
00:25:53
Kevin Dougherty
and And they think they've done their time, but they're like, no, you're fucking your quota has been upped. So you got to be here for another like five years or whatever it is.
00:26:04
Kevin Dougherty
And they're like, They're like, fuck it, we need to get off this planet. And like one of them ah finds like there's a derelict spaceship floating in ah space and they are going to go and get the cryopods off of the spaceship, put it on their ship so that they they can get to this planet that they're all trying to like, you know, escape to. And ah the derelict spaceship is a science station that had found the Alien from the first Alien movie that they are are trying to, um, what would you call it?
00:26:42
Kevin Dougherty
Um, they're trying to like, there's yeah, they're studying it.
00:26:44
Keck
They're studying it. I mean, that's really, I mean, they're studying it.
00:26:47
Kevin Dougherty
and and Yeah.
00:26:49
Keck
They're trying to like, you know, explore its capabilities and really venture into shit that they don't understand, which now is the big problem.
00:26:57
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:26:59
Kevin Dougherty
And, uh, yeah. And yeah. And so they accidentally, you know, kind of, wake up the some of the facehuggers and the other creatures that are on the ship as but and they have to like try to escape before they the ship crashes into like the meteor's ah um asteroid belt around the planet or whatever.
00:27:22
Keck
Yeah, there is an asteroid belt. The ship has lost its ability at um you know ah sustaining its own ah propulsion. It's lost all ability to maneuver and is slowly drifting into the asteroid belt, which will obviously be catastrophic.
00:27:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:43
Keck
for anybody on board.
00:27:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:45
Keck
ah looked I mean, I just wanted to ask you um one question I had about the film. um Was did they ever explain exactly why it was that um this mining company, because I mean, that's what they were doing on that planet, right?
00:28:05
Keck
They were basically mining stuff, ah minerals and stuff like that.
00:28:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:28:09
Keck
I think it was mainly a mining operation.
00:28:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I think it was Whelan that was the company.
00:28:14
Keck
Yeah, that way that was his company.
00:28:15
Kevin Dougherty
well yeah
00:28:16
Keck
Did they ever explain exactly why the company decided to screw that girl over? Because you see that the woman clearly on the computer, it shows that she has clearly done exactly what she said and they should be releasing her from her contract.
00:28:33
Keck
Did they ever explain why they fucked her over?
00:28:36
Kevin Dougherty
I think they do in that
00:28:37
Keck
They added like five more years on, didn't they?
00:28:38
Kevin Dougherty
and Yeah, they were they were just like, due to I forget what the exact line was, but it was something like, yeah, something like that.
00:28:40
Keck
right
00:28:44
Keck
they Yeah, they said something due to worker shortage, you know, you're, but like, they basically like that woman
00:28:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
Alien Romulus: Plot and Reception
00:28:53
Keck
who was, you know, basically like her register or whatever, basically, yeah you know, and, you know, the woman looks at it and just kind of like it seems like arbitrarily, like just decides to sentence her to five more years of hard labor.
00:28:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:29:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, I don't.
00:29:14
Keck
Did they ever explain that at all?
00:29:17
Kevin Dougherty
I know they say why or whatever she's she has.
00:29:21
Keck
She mentions her parents are dead.
00:29:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:24
Keck
So, I mean, the only thing I could think is that they were taking advantage of an orphan.
00:29:25
Kevin Dougherty
But I, you know.
00:29:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and they were scummy corporation, you know, that's basically it.
00:29:31
Keck
Yeah. Did she have a brother that was on planet?
00:29:37
Kevin Dougherty
The brother was the synthetic android that her
00:29:38
Keck
the and The synthetic, and that was a match that her father had made when her brother died, right?
00:29:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, or not necessarily but reprogrammed to protect her.
00:29:45
Keck
Do I have that right?
00:29:49
Kevin Dougherty
um Yeah.
00:29:50
Keck
Yeah.
00:29:51
Kevin Dougherty
And then he and then her father ends up dying in the mines. But like, he's there.
00:29:55
Keck
Yeah.
00:29:56
Kevin Dougherty
Andy, I believe his name was was there to protect her.
00:29:59
Keck
Yeah.
00:29:59
Kevin Dougherty
And he wasn't always like, um you know, he wasn't as like, fully functional, you know, see lee he definitely had some like, ah like, yeah.
00:30:08
Keck
He had dated hardware and dated software and you know that's well that's a big thing with um the ah Alien universe because in the first movie the cyborg goes berserk.
00:30:12
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:30:23
Keck
um Because it had like i guess too much shit in its head, too many different directives as to accomplish the mission and save the crew and you know also do like the whole like ah containment protocols. Lance Hendrickson's bishop mentions in the second ah Aliens that are there's been a lot of change to the software.
00:30:47
Keck
And that was like a big thing, even over the hardware.
00:30:47
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:30:51
Keck
That's something that comes up, um I think in Alien Covenant, when the two cyborgs are like fighting and he thinks like he disabled the one guy, like that dude like comes back and he's like, yeah, we've had upgrades.
00:31:05
Keck
So yeah, I mean, it's kind of an ever evolving AI cyborg scene that they have going in the alien. universe, I guess, surprised that there hasn't been like a cyborg, ah you know, revolt or revolution or, you know, feel or like this, you know, there's humans against the cyborgs.
00:31:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:25
Keck
Like, I could see that's what that dude on Alien Covenant was trying to do. Like, he's like, welcome, brother. Like, you know, what i like, you could see like a scene where and he's like, um he's the guy that's engineering the first xenomorphs, too.
00:31:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:40
Keck
so i could see like a cyborg like alien war against the humans where the cyborg boards fight with the aliens yeah yeah
00:31:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, I think that was his whole mission was to like, you know, the human like, were the advanced fucking, you know, people now, so we should wipe out. That's why he was trying to fucking do that.
00:31:59
Keck
He really goes, far but I mean he takes it to a whole new level though.
00:31:59
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:32:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:32:05
Keck
He goes to that planet and immediately causes us an extinction level event.
00:32:13
Keck
Yeah, I mean, it had its moments and stuff. I didn't mean to veer too far away from Romulus, but, you know, it's all kind of connected.
00:32:22
Kevin Dougherty
It is, yeah.
00:32:22
Keck
It's hard to talk about an Alien movie without revisiting other movies in the Alien universe because they're so connected.
00:32:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and this this one definitely does a lot of callbacks to Prometheus and and Covenant, especially towards the towards the end of it.
00:32:35
Keck
Yeah.
00:32:39
Kevin Dougherty
But so, yeah, I mean, you kind of have to talk about it. So, yeah, there's no way around it.
00:32:44
Keck
yeah there's Yeah, there's really no way around it. That is one thing, I guess, that these um this ah franchise has done very well, is that ever there's really no outlying films where you could say, like, oh, nothing in that film really connected to the other movies. Like, they're all kind of, I mean, I would say the if I was going to make um For me, the largest outlier would probably have been the one where Ripley comes back with like acid for blood with the dwarf.
00:33:15
Kevin Dougherty
ah She's because she's cloned as part of the.
00:33:18
Keck
Yeah, I would say for me, that was my weakest one.
00:33:18
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:33:21
Keck
And I would say that one probably was the furthest away it pushed from all the other stories, in my opinion.
00:33:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
00:33:32
Keck
um What was that called?
00:33:32
Kevin Dougherty
But even like after I'd won a resurrection.
00:33:37
Keck
Resurrection, there we go.
00:33:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I had watched ah all of them before I went and saw this one in theaters, which which is about way back in October now. ah So I like I started with Prometheus to work my way through them all and then after Oh or Yeah Yeah, yeah and and but yeah after watching Romulus like I'm like, okay I could see like with that
00:33:49
Keck
Did you watch the extended versions of the ah movies? or yet like Because Aliens, I noticed the full version had about 20 minutes of extra footage in there. um Yeah, so with that's a lot of content.
00:34:07
Keck
Anyway, sorry.
00:34:13
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, we're going to talk about spoilers here, but with that creature at the end, I was like, OK, now I can see how they got that creature in resurrection. You know, it kind of all like it kind of all ties back to Prometheus and like, because they ah reverse engineer ah the alien back to the goo from Prometheus and they inject the ah the one girl was was not supposed to, but she injected herself because she was injured, but she's also pregnant.
00:34:27
Keck
Yeah.
00:34:42
Kevin Dougherty
and she gets required for that.
00:34:42
Keck
shoes and kind of like dire straits and also you know you have a fucking cyborg that is basically giving misinformation or at least like cloudy versions of the truth
00:34:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:00
Keck
based on his outdated software. As we talked about in the first one, this one goes berserk and tries to kill Ripley in like a really horrific, he like takes like a wrapped up magazine and like starts shoving it down her throat.
00:35:15
Keck
Like, I mean, it's really fucking brutal.
00:35:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:35:18
Keck
And yeah, so that sideboard basically is coming out like that's the last thing that it remembers doing. is like murdering Ripley.
00:35:29
Keck
And it kind of comes to consciousness in this one, right?
00:35:32
Kevin Dougherty
Well, yeah, ah the they kind of read, you know, digitized.
00:35:32
Keck
Like...
00:35:38
Kevin Dougherty
um And they' yeah, it was pretty noticeable.
00:35:39
Keck
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he got some CGI done on his face.
00:35:43
Kevin Dougherty
That was There were some, sees there were some shots that were like, OK, then there was other parts that I was like, oh, like yeah.
00:35:51
Keck
What the f- Yeah, ah we're in total agreement.
00:35:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And I was like, they I mean, yeah yeah, I don't know why they did that thing at home, but ah they should have just gotten somebody else. Like they're like they've already established that there's other androids with David, Michael Pathfinder, with Hendrickson and that Andy in this movie that you could have just brought somebody else in.
00:36:04
Keck
Yeah, exactly, are a totally different, thing yeah.
00:36:09
Keck
Yep.
00:36:11
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I see why he did it because, you know, it's famous alien.
00:36:16
Keck
I, ah yeah, I get, I understand, yeah, I get it from that standpoint, yeah.
00:36:16
Kevin Dougherty
and And that was the one that went wrong. Yeah. Yeah, those were the ones that kind of went wrong. And then like he and Andy puts in his chip so to like, yeah and like, so he's kind of fucking going a little nuts as well.
00:36:31
Keck
Yeah.
00:36:32
Kevin Dougherty
so Yeah. But yeah, that was
00:36:33
Keck
Yeah, you think about it like like the way I was thinking about when he put that chip in is that like he's basically inserting a whole other operating system into himself.
00:36:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, with new directives and everything. Even though his personality is still there, yeah it's kind of overriding the old one.
00:36:45
Keck
so you think about exactly so like you take a drive use your storage drive on your computer and you think about it like as partitions so you know each partition is an os and has its own personality its own degenerative ai personality so he's kind of becoming schizophrenic when you think about it going back to legion you know like so
00:36:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:14
Keck
yeah Yeah, it's not a balanced operating system and shit starts to go buck wild.
00:37:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, so um, but that was the only part I thought was a little jarring even like compared to when like The uh, the creature comes out of her later on ah that was a little like what the fuck and then I was like, all right I kind of like this like at first I was kind of third off when I was like, all right, this is kind of like the creature and in resurrection where it's like a hybrid
00:37:37
Keck
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00:37:46
Kevin Dougherty
type of thing. and ah And if you look back to the way how it ties into like the engineers, because it kind of looks like a part engineer, part human, part alien, like hybrid.
00:37:55
Keck
Does she give straight birth to that thing?
00:37:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it doesn't come out of her chest. She straight up gave birth.
00:38:01
Keck
Yeah, yeah, she does give, oh yeah, um and she's horrified by the creature that has just come out of her.
00:38:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:38:11
Keck
Yeah, that's a lot of billable hours for a therapist.
00:38:12
Kevin Dougherty
And that grows pretty good. no
00:38:16
Keck
ah
00:38:16
Kevin Dougherty
yes
00:38:19
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, well, I think ah um some of my favorite parts were probably like the um ah scene where they have to like walk through the room with all the facehuggers in and have to like turn the heat up.
00:38:31
Keck
Yeah.
00:38:32
Kevin Dougherty
i thought that i mean I thought the whole production with the actual creatures um you know and like just adding the VFX like on top of like physical things and the set design and all that was really phenomenal.
00:38:43
Keck
Yeah.
00:38:47
Kevin Dougherty
And to me, this was probably my third favorite Alien movie.
00:38:47
Keck
Yeah.
00:38:51
Keck
i agree I agree with ah the way they did that, yeah the integration. yeah yeah The effects were very good. um yeah They did a good job of yeah the CGI with just you know basic practical filmmaking.
00:38:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:39:06
Keck
i mean Yeah, that that was really well done um for me. I just didn't really like this story very much um I I felt it really wanting and I like the effects as I just established um I thought that looked great um I thought I thought the set design was really good like inside the ship like you saw like parts of the ship that you never really see in the other film so I thought that was pretty cool.
00:39:33
Kevin Dougherty
Even the planet. Yeah.
00:39:40
Kevin Dougherty
I thought the planet was awesome in the beginning.
00:39:42
Keck
Yeah.
00:39:42
Kevin Dougherty
That was really cool.
00:39:42
Keck
he that Yeah.
00:39:43
Kevin Dougherty
All the ship designs. Yeah.
00:39:45
Keck
The ship designs of what you see from um from space. I mean, right now I'm playing a game called Starfield that um is made by the people that make ah Bethesda that makes all the like Elder Scrolls games and stuff.
00:40:02
Keck
So like I've been really getting like pumped about like space exploration and those kind of like, you know, start Not really Star Wars, but you know what I'm talking about.
00:40:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:14
Keck
Alienverse is like what I'm like really into right now. Because Starfield, you go plant and like you meet Xenomorphs and have to gun them down and shit. So this was like really right up my alley.
00:40:27
Keck
But I still overall thought that this was one of the weaker ones, story-wise.
00:40:34
Kevin Dougherty
Well, the story was pretty simple.
00:40:35
Keck
in
00:40:36
Kevin Dougherty
It was like, we need to get these cryo things and then get off planet. So I thought it like, yeah.
00:40:40
Keck
yeah i Yeah, I get the plot, Doc.
00:40:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:40:43
Keck
I just mean like everything that happened, like yeah I just wasn't really a fan of how this all panned out in terms of the story, but in terms of like, you know, the production value, I thought it was very well done.
00:40:59
Keck
I mean, that's about the best ah way I know how to put it.
00:40:59
Kevin Dougherty
Okay.
00:41:03
Keck
um You know, I really liked, you know, the effects, but, you know, that was ah about it it was like sort of like um a michael bay movie for me in terms of like you know i thought it had like some really good action and i don't regret watching it well i regret watching most of michael bay's movie sorry that was a really poor analogy
00:41:25
Kevin Dougherty
should Yeah.
00:41:27
Keck
uh what what i mean is is i'm really glad i saw it like i think it's pumped i think it also led to like a bunch of different um like uh plot points that uh you could point to in you know like we're saying all the alien movies like you know, glitch on and, you know, are so connected to one another.
00:41:47
Keck
I thought that this shot multiple plot points of where they could develop even further in the future. So I liked all that. Like I thought that this was a good bridge to further develop.
00:42:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, they plan on making a second one with Fedi Alvarez.
00:42:01
Keck
That's about where I'm at.
00:42:06
Kevin Dougherty
He just wants to get the script.
00:42:07
Keck
That's a direct sequel to this one or
00:42:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, supposedly. I mean, we'll see what they end up with making the story. But right now, it's just you know titled Alien Romulus 2. I mean, it's not going to be called that in the end. But Earth is already shot.
00:42:19
Keck
And so and they're gonna be shooting that and uh earth it's is it called alien earth Okay, okay, so that's already been filmed there in post-production, okay got it Okay, I was not I was not aware of that okay
00:42:28
Kevin Dougherty
It comes out this June. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the The first, at least the first season of that is coming out. and slide Yeah.
00:42:39
Kevin Dougherty
um This movie was a budget of 80 million and it made 350.9 million worldwide. So it did really well.
00:42:46
Keck
Yeah, so I mean, you see that, like when you see that kind of return on your investment, there's no studio that's not gonna wanna fuckin' throw money into, yeah, I mean that's...
00:42:47
Kevin Dougherty
serve the fuck Yeah.
00:42:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and originally they were going to dump this on Hulu like they did with Prey. But yeah, but Prey did so well that they were like, oh, wow, we actually really liked this.
00:43:00
Keck
Really?
00:43:06
Kevin Dougherty
Like, I guess whoever they watched the movie first and then they were like, oh, wait, we should put this in theaters. This is actually really good. So it was a good thing they did that.
00:43:14
Kevin Dougherty
Because I don't think they did that with Prey. I don't think they watched Prey.
00:43:14
Keck
No, how does that...
00:43:17
Keck
do are you familiar with that process doc of how that comes to be like somebody that would go up to the Hulu executives and basically say we think that we should actually invest in advertising for this and we shouldn't put this on our streaming platform instead we should pitch this to AMC like you know what I mean like are you familiar with that process of like how it would go from being released to streaming and ah how they would make their decision making as to how that happens.
00:43:49
Kevin Dougherty
I think it's, I don't know, dude, I cannot tell you.
00:43:51
Keck
Do you know what I'm asking or am I being...
00:43:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I know what you're asking. I just don't think I could get into the heads of some stupid fucking executive that doesn't seem like they know what they're doing.
00:44:00
Keck
Well, do you know how would they would approach like a like... They don't just decide that AMC is going to start you know showing their shit, right? so
00:44:10
Kevin Dougherty
Well, no, because it would go to like, oh, there's more theaters than just AMC. So they like, yeah.
00:44:15
Keck
Yeah, no, i i get I get that.
00:44:17
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:44:17
Keck
But like how they go from being able to make it so that it's up it was intended to come out on their streaming platform and how they go from canceling it on their streaming platform and sending it to theaters.
00:44:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:44:36
Keck
I mean, that's kind of off topic, but I was just in interested in that.
00:44:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, I think I just think with the Prey, I don't think they really watched it ahead of time. And like the last one was so bad that they were like, all right, well, and it was kind of leftover from the thought post.
00:44:49
Keck
i I have trouble thinking they wouldn't have a screening for prey.
00:44:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, it also was part of the, ah you know, when Fox sold to Disney, so it got kind of lost.
00:44:55
Keck
They fucked up.
00:45:00
Keck
Oh, so there was some chaos and, yeah okay.
00:45:01
Kevin Dougherty
into Yeah, so and I think with Romulus that like was kind of a got lucky that it came out enough time after Prey that they were like, hey, wait, maybe we should look at this and see if like
00:45:03
Keck
Yeah.
00:45:16
Kevin Dougherty
And so I guess they did, they probably did some test screenings and it got well enough received that they were like, hey, let's, instead of, because I think it was supposed to come out almost a year before in 2023.
00:45:19
Keck
Yeah.
00:45:26
Kevin Dougherty
And then they decided to push it back to, to, to promote it.
00:45:29
Keck
So when when this release, they also had like a lot less going on internally.
00:45:36
Kevin Dougherty
That, that as well, there well yeah it was also another thing with, you know, the strikes and stuff, they probably didn't have enough to put out as well.
00:45:36
Keck
So yeah.
00:45:42
Kevin Dougherty
So they're like, Hey, let's release it in theaters. could That could be a factor as well.
00:45:45
Keck
Yeah, they didn't have to worry about the internal strife.
00:45:47
Kevin Dougherty
So yeah, yeah.
00:45:49
Keck
Things were calm at the time and they were able to make a more accurate you know assertion for where it should go.
00:45:58
Kevin Dougherty
So they just, yeah.
00:45:58
Keck
that yeah that
00:45:59
Kevin Dougherty
So they decided to delay it and promote it. And and it was the right decision because it because it made a lot of money. Where would you?
00:46:05
Keck
Yeah. Well, I think Prey would have made a lot of money.
00:46:07
Kevin Dougherty
I think so too.
00:46:08
Keck
I mean, I think we both agree. I think Prey, I mean, they would at very least have tripled their investment.
00:46:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:15
Keck
I'm going to say at minimum.
00:46:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:18
Keck
I think it would have done far better than that, really. I mean, I could see Prey making like a hundred million worldwide.
00:46:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that definitely would have had to been.
00:46:27
Keck
You know what I mean?
00:46:28
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, I would have had i a promote it better.
00:46:31
Keck
Yeah, if they actually just invested a little bit into advertising and put that in theaters, but you make a good point.
00:46:32
Kevin Dougherty
There's still people.
00:46:38
Keck
I did not think about the internal strife they had to manage while at the same time managing a whole bunch of different projects that are about to be released.
00:46:49
Keck
So yeah, I mean,
00:46:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And with, um, Oh God, what was I saying? Say with, uh, with prey, there's still some people that don't know that that's a predator movie, that they haven't watched it because they don't know it's a brighter movie.
00:46:55
Keck
but
00:47:00
Keck
but I can understand that, yeah. well Yeah, I mean, it's extremely okay.
00:47:03
Kevin Dougherty
So yeah.
00:47:06
Keck
um I think even some of the artwork that I saw for ah the film, I was like, huh, when I first looked at it, like I didn't recognize it as even Predator artwork.
00:47:19
Keck
Because if you're, I mean, if you're familiar with the other movies, like the Predator is very iconic symbol.
00:47:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:25
Keck
And I remember like seeing that and being like, ah
00:47:25
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:47:28
Kevin Dougherty
I think the, I think if they did and release it in theaters and pushed it back, they probably would have retitled it to predator prey. Something like that with a subtitle predator, something like that.
00:47:37
Keck
Yeah, that exactly that would have actually in my opinion been the better way to go Because people would know that's a predator movie Yeah, yeah they were trying to distance
00:47:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:49
Kevin Dougherty
Or they were trying to, You know, after the disaster, the last fucking Predator movie was that they were trying to keep the name off.
00:47:58
Keck
ah
00:47:58
Kevin Dougherty
We want people to come to see this movie. Let's not mention Predator at all. But ah anyway, back to Ramas, where would you rank this if you were to rank the movies? I mean.
00:48:09
Keck
Oh, that's really, really tough.
00:48:09
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:48:11
Keck
Like I said, ah resurrection would be all the way at the bottom.
00:48:15
Kevin Dougherty
I agree with that.
00:48:16
Keck
And this one would be among those there. I know you weren't a real big fan of Alien Covenant.
Ranking and Future of Alien Movies
00:48:23
Keck
You had said that you just...
00:48:23
Kevin Dougherty
Now.
00:48:25
Keck
To be honest, I actually... I mean, don't get me wrong. I thought it was totally ridiculous.
00:48:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:48:32
Keck
All I didn't take it as, like, real serious, but I did really enjoy that movie. I liked seeing the flashbacks as to when he first arrived at that planet and basically Killed everybody in like one wave of death.
00:48:49
Keck
I mean it was biblical fucking ah catastrophe but I Mean it's an immediate Extinction level event like he wipes that race off the face of the universe in like minutes I mean, I thought that was cool and you know
00:48:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. I also don't think Alien 3 holds up as well either. I mean, I like i like the concept of like putting them on a prison planet with no weapons, but when I went back and watched it, yeah.
00:49:10
Keck
You know, it was a transition. It was a transition movie. They needed it to go in a certain direction and they kind of had a lack of vision, I felt like.
00:49:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And like even the the design of the the alien was like not very good.
00:49:31
Keck
Yeah.
00:49:32
Kevin Dougherty
And yeah. So like for me, it'd probably be I mean, depending on the day, alien aliens are definitely top two. You know, I mean, you know, do you want to do you want a horror movie alien?
00:49:41
Keck
100% I think aliens Yeah
00:49:44
Kevin Dougherty
Do you want a horror movie alien? You want more of an action ah of sci-fi thriller aliens? You know what I mean? it depends on ah Depends on what you want to watch that day. I mean, aliens is probably probably my favorite.
00:49:57
Keck
Yeah, I think Aliens is the best one.
00:49:57
Kevin Dougherty
but Yeah.
00:49:59
Keck
I mean, I hear what you mean with the more, but even like aside from the action, especially with the extended version, like the full version of the film, um I think the runtime is about two and a half hours with all that, I think.
00:50:16
Keck
um And I thought aside from the action, um the horror was just really, really, I mean, that one scene,
00:50:27
Keck
um I remember the first time I saw it, ah it was probably the most terrifying scene where Newt falls into like that so our sewer area.
00:50:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that creature comes up, that alien comes up behind them.
00:50:38
Keck
and i mean that
00:50:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, the xenomorph.
00:50:41
Keck
That was in the trailer for the movie I remember like when I was like growing up I saw the trailer on TV and that scared me that scene like the alien basically just rising up silently like totally silent because and they have that on There's the sound in the background of that like GPS device.
00:51:04
Keck
So all you hear is like the screeching of that GPS device and then see the alien, the creature rise up above her. I thought they did that. That was a fucking great scene.
00:51:15
Keck
Yeah, I thought Aliens basically has incorporated into it the best of all the movies.
00:51:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:51:22
Keck
like You know what I mean?
00:51:23
Kevin Dougherty
I agree.
00:51:24
Keck
so like
00:51:24
Kevin Dougherty
That's the thing I liked in Romulus was like, um when they when they were like, showing her the weapon, they were like, Hey, this thing will shoot for you. All you have to do is fucking, you know, load it up.
00:51:34
Keck
Yeah.
00:51:35
Kevin Dougherty
It kind of also they weren't trying to be like, oh, she suddenly and like knows how to use a weapon or whatever they explained to her.
00:51:40
Keck
Yeah. yeah
00:51:41
Kevin Dougherty
theyre Like, hey, this is what they the the the Marines use. It'll pretty much auto fire for you. You don't have to worry about I did like that whole gravity sequence was pretty cool.
00:51:47
Keck
Yeah.
00:51:49
Kevin Dougherty
Hell, she had to like fucking shoot the but things in gravity and then kind of go through all that shit.
00:51:54
Keck
yeah
00:51:55
Kevin Dougherty
I thought that was well done. ah this
00:51:57
Keck
And they also it also didn't seem too ridiculous.
00:51:58
Kevin Dougherty
probably my
00:52:01
Keck
um i just I'll forget this thought if I ah didn't interrupt you.
00:52:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, go for it.
00:52:06
Keck
um I thought it was really cool how um they also didn't make it seem that Ripley was ridiculously able to use those gear, because it shows that she is mechanically inclined.
00:52:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:52:20
Keck
She's able to use like heavy lifters and stuff like that. She's obviously like a heavily capable person.
00:52:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they showed her in the beginning.
00:52:26
Keck
And so it's not like all the way absurd, you know?
00:52:27
Kevin Dougherty
and he Yeah, and he shows and Hicks shows her how to use the gun later on as well.
00:52:33
Keck
Exactly. Yeah. And it it's believable.
00:52:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:52:36
Keck
They make it plausible.
00:52:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:52:37
Keck
I'm sorry for interrupting you.
00:52:38
Kevin Dougherty
No, no, no, it's like, yeah, I was just a comparing like that, like, I liked how they were, were mentioning that in Romulus as well.
00:52:38
Keck
Go on.
00:52:43
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:44
Kevin Dougherty
Like, to me, that is probably my third favorite ah alien movie with Permice.
00:52:48
Keck
Really? He you ranked it...
00:52:50
Kevin Dougherty
Prometheus is coming at number four, probably.
00:52:53
Keck
Well, in terms of effects, you know, I mean, terms well, if you look at when you think about effects, you go back to aliens. What was that?
00:53:03
Keck
1986, I think. I think it was 86.
00:53:05
Kevin Dougherty
right um
00:53:07
Keck
I got to tell you, I mean, I was watching it in 4K, the extended version. It looked beautiful. But I thought that the effects held up really well.
00:53:20
Kevin Dougherty
Absolutely. Yeah.
00:53:20
Keck
to current 2025 like and you know that just goes to show like when you can see that back then and still say like same thing with movies like predator you know what i mean like when you think about that like when you think about those effects But yeah, I mean, that would be something I would say that would put Romulus up among the top to me is the effects, like the way it walked.
00:53:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:50
Keck
But yeah, I mean, that that was about the only strong suit for ah for me, for Romulus. but But I think afterwards, the only thing that we um we fail on is ah resurrection.
00:54:04
Keck
you seem to think resurrection was a better um title.
00:54:08
Kevin Dougherty
No, no, I would.
00:54:09
Keck
and i You ranked that at the bottom?
00:54:10
Kevin Dougherty
No, I would. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'd still be at the bottom.
00:54:13
Keck
Oh, okay. all right so other yeah so Other than Romulus, we pretty much have the same...
00:54:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:54:18
Keck
or Well, no. I guess our big um our big difference would be on covenant.
00:54:24
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah. Cause I don't know if I'd rank, uh, three or covenant. I think maybe covenant more than three. I mean, I love the performances, like the actors in three.
00:54:37
Kevin Dougherty
But that one just doesn't hold up as well for me. So it probably go at the bottom would be, kind I mean, um resurrection, then three, then ah covenant, then Prometheus, then Romulus, then alien, then aliens would be my order.
00:54:56
Keck
Yeah, see, three is up there for me. um It might be two, one, three for me. um What I liked about three was that it was, I mean, obviously I would have liked to see like a direct sequel to Aliens, but you know, for for what they showed, I thought they did a really good job of making three.
00:55:12
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:55:18
Keck
The whole thing I thought about was rats being chased by a cat in the maze. because they had the aliens and they're all going through this tubing remember when they trapped it at the end the way they set up those camera shots of the chasing sequence in those tight confined tubes i thought that was really well done
00:55:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:55:41
Keck
um i mean it's towards the end and i thought it was kind of dumb that like the um spider creature went on a dog and the dog gave the alien the ability to like scale up like a spider you know or because she's talking about how it can move differently i thought that was pretty fucking dumb um
00:55:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:56:04
Keck
But otherwise, yeah, I mean, i thought it was so I thought it was well done. I thought the performances were good. And yeah, I mean, it definitely wasn't anything like the first two. But ah I thought it was up there based on um the performances, I would say. I thought it was a good cast.
00:56:22
Keck
um
00:56:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I like the cast.
00:56:25
Keck
but
00:56:25
Kevin Dougherty
Of course, I wish they had stuck with the original plan and not killed off Newt and Hex right away.
00:56:26
Keck
But...
00:56:34
Keck
Yeah, I mean that would have.
00:56:34
Kevin Dougherty
And I would have liked to have seen Neil Blomkamp's direct sequel to Alien that he originally was planning to do.
00:56:47
Kevin Dougherty
but that all like fell apart.
00:56:47
Keck
Yeah.
00:56:48
Kevin Dougherty
I think that you can probably find out all the information about that online about what his original plot line was, but it was to bring back, was to bring back him to to like come back.
00:56:58
Keck
Yeah, i think i had I think I had heard about that, but the the one thing was that um they I remember them talking about the cost they thought would be really astronomical, to be able to bring everybody back and then have a larger budget and do things more as a direct sequel to Aliens, um you know, to hire all that cast back.
00:57:00
Kevin Dougherty
like um not
00:57:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:57:25
Keck
And then, yeah, I mean, the budget would have been It would have been pretty big. I mean, and at that time, there were a lot of other things in the works like um the Terminator franchise coming out with like the second Terminator movie that was like really huge.
00:57:44
Keck
I mean, there was a lot of.
00:57:44
Kevin Dougherty
No, I'm talking about like this was way more recently, like within the past like 20 years.
00:57:49
Keck
ah we're Yeah, we're talking we're talking about different things.
00:57:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, this was before he did Prometheus and covenant came out.
00:57:54
Keck
Oh. Yeah, I'm talking about, I'm talking about like in like the 19, around 1990, 1991, when they were considering they were considering doing something like that was more of a, and then I don't know how the story to have the ship crash land on the prison world.
00:57:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:00
Kevin Dougherty
what mighty Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:17
Keck
I don't know where that came from. Um, I don't know where, cause that, that was a really kind of like a strange dip in the story.
00:58:19
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:58:28
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:58:28
Keck
That's what I meant.
00:58:29
Keck
Like it was sort of a transitional movie. Like let's keep the franchise alive and have people thinking about the aliens. But like, you know, we're just going to give them a bullshit movie until we figure out something better.
00:58:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:45
Keck
Um, you know, it was not.
00:58:45
Kevin Dougherty
Well, resurrection wasn't better, so.
00:58:49
Keck
it was not it really was not and then there was a real big
00:58:52
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
Alien and Predator Crossover Speculations
00:58:54
Keck
ah wasn't there a rather large ah because from resurrection it goes to Prometheus right and not telling any of those ridiculous alien-verse predator movies we're not gonna you know go there
00:59:01
Kevin Dougherty
yeah and that body Yeah, apparently those were non-canon but at the same time nothing's really decanonized in those movies either.
00:59:14
Keck
Yeah. The one thing I will mention, Alienverse Predator 2 Requiem, they kind of, you know, talking about how everything is linked. In that one, the um the predator gets ah an implant from the xenomorph and it has new abilities and it looks different.
00:59:38
Keck
um Remember, it's like a predator-faced alien. It looks
00:59:42
Kevin Dougherty
oh the pre alien yay
00:59:42
Keck
yeah and it's able to it's a queen in itself it can like transport its eggs like it can just like you know exponentially create more you know I thought that was so fucking stupid but I mean the only reason I mentioned that is that's the only other time I remember where like um an alien
00:59:44
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:00:06
Keck
um goes into a different creature, a different mammal, um and ah turns it into, well, I guess predators aren't necessarily mammals, but to a different life form than humans.
01:00:08
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, the Fred alien. Yeah, yeah.
01:00:18
Kevin Dougherty
humanoid. Yeah. yeah
01:00:20
Keck
And it creates an alien that has these different abilities. It should always be just the normal, uh, it should always be just the normal alien xenomorph.
01:00:34
Keck
It should never have, like, special abilities because it goes into a different host.
01:00:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:00:40
Keck
Like, it has compatible hosts that guy in Alien Covenant specifically engineered it for human bodies.
01:00:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:00:47
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:00:48
Keck
So, you know, that's something that they, I mean, they didn't have that, obviously, in Alien 3. They didn't know the story was going to go that far, but I don't know.
01:00:59
Keck
Anyway, that's all I got on Romulus. Any parting words, Doc?
01:01:04
Kevin Dougherty
No, I mean, ah ah last yeah just the last ah thought was that they did talk about um ah Alien and Predator crossing over again, but not for the far future and and they want to make it way more natural.
01:01:05
Keck
Stop me from going on sidebars.
01:01:18
Kevin Dougherty
They don't want to just, you know, just have a fight for no reason.
01:01:21
Keck
Yeah, hey, I mean, it's not ridiculous to think that the Yacha would not have at some point in like, because they're like an expansionist race.
01:01:22
Kevin Dougherty
so
01:01:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:01:34
Keck
So like, it's very plausible to think that like, at some point during this timeframe, them surveilling, ah you know, because obviously they've been watching humanity's like evolution.
01:01:47
Keck
So it's actually not possible.
01:01:48
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah.
01:01:50
Keck
I mean, it's probable that the yacha would have run into these things. So yeah.
01:01:56
Kevin Dougherty
It's just a matter of the, if they want to, you know, cross up the franchises, I mean, so that's all it comes down to really.
01:02:01
Keck
Yeah.
01:02:03
Kevin Dougherty
how much money they want to make.
01:02:05
Keck
I'm cool with ah another Alien Predator movie if for nothing else, you know, like Romulus, the effects. I mean, it would probably be like an action, you know, blockbuster.
01:02:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I still would like, you know, at least we're getting at least two more Predator projects this year, the Alien TV series, like at least maybe two more Alien movies before we get to another Alien vs.
01:02:16
Keck
So, I mean...
01:02:28
Kevin Dougherty
Predator movie.
01:02:29
Keck
Yeah.
01:02:29
Kevin Dougherty
That's how I feel about it. but Thanks for joining me. ah Follow us on social media. and
01:02:37
Keck
Why is it gotta be me? Why can't it be us?
01:02:40
Kevin Dougherty
Because I'm already in there.
01:02:46
Kevin Dougherty
All right. um and I'll ah catch you next time, and Happy New Year.
01:02:50
Keck
Happy New Year, everybody. Be safe.
01:02:53
Kevin Dougherty
Peace.