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Predator Killer of Killers
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We discuss, in length, the new Predator film available on Hulu
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For real.
Opening and Horror Focus
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All right. Welcome back to Fright Central. I'm Doc back here again with Keck and we talk all things horror. ah Welcome back. ah And well, I'm not going to ask you how you're doing because you hate that question.
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ah you you can You can ask. I've had better days going through a lot of like family relationship drama like everybody else out there in the world right now. Nobody wants to hear it.
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How are you doing, Kev? Doing all right. ah We're going to talk about ah Superman. right oh Oh, wait. we're Wrong one. <unk> we're not We're not talking about the new Superman.
00:00:56
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Where the hell did you pull that out of? Tonight we're going to be talking about Superman. It shows where you are, you fucking traitor.
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Where was that going to go? I just want to know where was that going to go? We're going talking about Superman. What were we to be talking about? yeah We're going to be talking about Superman today, right? like That's the new movie that just came out.
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Oh, so it was fresh on your mind because that just came out. okay yeah Yeah, that's what everybody's talking about right now. so i mean i did not ah You know me. I don't really follow that, so I wouldn i wouldn't have known that.
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yeah ah what But if you are interested, it's a very comic book-y movie. It reminded me of like the 90s animated series. so like ah Yeah, i and I really enjoyed it. We got finally got a nice nice, colorful Superman again. But yeah, anyway, that's not what we're talking about today because we're not a comic book fucking...
Crystal Lake Updates and Collectibles
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ah podcast. You know, unless we talk about horror comics, ah but like, you know what I mean? Well, do you have, ah before getting into our talk, do you have any news this evening? I do not have any Crystal Lake news.
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um Yeah, I have a little bit. I mean, this is like, you know, we always do our like little spoof about Crystal Lake news being there is no news. But I think our last cast, you did have like some news.
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The only news I have on Crystal Lake that's different from the last time is it does say that they have progressed in their production. So they have now like a regular filming schedule.
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yeah it's got to about two weeks in now right i still believe that this series is never coming out like i think it's gonna stop sometime like mid-production but like you know hey i mean the odds are against me but i just believe in the curse of jason vorheves like i said um i mean for all we know it could uh you know, completely finish. and then like the studio heads, see a trailer or see the footage or whatever and be like, Nope, delete. yeah Exactly. like like like titles when would a Event horizon. Like they do that thing. Like, Oh, the test audience, someone has a heart attack and dies. something And they're like, Huh?
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it It turns out this was cursed all the time. Let's get the fuck out of here. You know, but yeah every everybody there signs NDAs and we spend ah the we spend the remaining of our budget on basically ah fulfilling those and NDAs and no more. Yeah, I do remember seeing ah some comment online about like, the they were like, oh she doesn't look like Pamela Voorhees or like oh what is she gonna be like like like she's gonna be killing the whole time that's stupid and I was just like you do know the whole first movie is her killing right like his mother's a mass murderer like that's the whole fucking movie her stealth killing yeah and she's like not only a killer she's like a stealth assassin yeah me you haven't seen the original Friday the 13th without telling me you haven't seen the original Friday the You know what I mean? Like that you don't know.
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but But at any rate, um the other news, this isn't Crystal Lake news, but this is related to Friday 13th. For some reason, I've been getting pop-ups that ah this is just Jason Voorhees news on my phone.
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um Anyway, the ah recent ah news that I have relates to Jason being included in some new shit. ah including a short film.
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ah There's some upcoming collectibles. Now, I'm not exactly sure if those collectibles are action figures because I have seen recent Jason action figures. Like if you know what I mean by an action figure, like, yeah you know, a Jason toy, like in the plastic.
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Yeah, I believe they're supposed to have a huge presence at ah San Diego Comic-Con this summer. Yeah, I also saw something that looked kind of like Jason like trading cards, almost like Jason ah baseball cards.
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It had Jason from like all the different movies to him, like you know with his like mask off to him with the bag head. And a couple of him were because he had like a certain number of kills in all his movies up to this point.
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And I believe the number of cards reflected the number of kills plus all the different variations of Jason that had been shown on film.
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And there was one that was in like black and white of like ah ah his mother. And, you know, I can't think of what was her name that played his mom from the original film.
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Was it Judy something? Whatever. It doesn't matter. yeah Anyway, so ah upcoming collectibles. I'm not exactly sure exactly all that entails.
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um And his presence at Universal's Halloween Horror Nights. ah that Is that Universal in like Universal Studios Florida?
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i Probably both. yeah Yeah, probably the you know um probably the ah Universal Hollywood and Florida. Okay. And then i guess... Betsy Palmer is the name you're looking for.
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yeah Betsy... oh I was thinking, I don't know why that Judi Dench came. in my mind, very, very different act. Can you imagine Dame Judi Dench playing Pamela Voorhees?
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Yeah. she watch I mean, she'd be great, but... She does everything she wants. I can't argue that. um Well, aside from the ah Crystal Lake prequel news ah that's in development by Peacock, there are also now multiple rumors of Jason's oh potential inclusion in other video games like Fortnite and Dead by Daylight.
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Already you are seeing Jason's presence in games like ah Deep Rock Galactic and ah Tom Clancy's Division 1 and 2. where there are Jason's skins available.
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ah These actually came out not that long ago in updates because, you know, there was, they had been, I guess, trying to do it from the very beginning, but because of copyright and legal entanglements, we've talked about endlessly on this cast before.
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ah So at least, you know what I mean? Like, I know I'm being a big Debbie Downer about ah cra Crystal Lake, it does appear that there's going to be a lot more Jason than our future, at least.
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Yeah. so I think this is a ah good way to kind of go to about It was kind of try to reintroduce the character and like these smaller things like video games and stuff, try to keep it back in the public mind and then release the TV series.
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Cause I feel like that's kind of where like Indiana Jones kind of failed. Cause there was what, like a good 15 years between the movies and there was like nothing going on at that time. And then it was kind of like, okay, come back and watch this old man run around and be Indiana Jones again. a lot of the younger generation didn't really know who this character was, so it was really just an older generation person one. It was like, you could have done a fucking video game beforehand. Of course, they didn't release video game until afterwards, and by then it's kind like, well, it's too late. At this point, you're just going to have to reboot the whole franchise at this point. So it's like, you could have done a video game, maybe an animated series or something like that, kind of bring it back in.
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bring it back to the light, let everybody know about the character again, and then you can release It it kind of gets the ah excitement back up again, I believe. Yeah.
Indiana Jones and Video Game Discussion
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Instead like, yeah. Cause what was the last movie? 2009.
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what was that the crystal skull one with the alien? No, I meant, uh, I meant Friday the 13th. Sorry. Oh yeah. Uh, yeah. It was either 2009 or 2000.
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Yeah. I, I, I think it got released in 2009 and filmed in 2008. I believe that's the, that's the case. So yeah, I mean, no that's a very divisive film too. Like I didn't like it, but I know some other people did. So,
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I mean, yeah, it was. a I mean, did Rob Zombie direct that one? No. That wasn't Rob Zombie that did that? We're talking about the one where Jason, like, takes prisoners and has, like, uh... Root tops and, like, his underground hole. like, an entry yeah he's got like ah intricate lighting, security lighting set up. Yeah, yeah he basically has his own compounds.
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Yeah. And yeah, yeah. He uses like real sophisticated sharpening tools and, you know, he's constantly like maintaining his weapons. And yeah, yeah that happened. um unfortunate i yeah um prefer ah ah I prefer, you know, an undead zombie.
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Jason that just uses whatever weapon he has laying around. He's not necessarily a zombie. I mean, there's times when he did show mercy to like children and stuff that like, you know, he doesn't have any like, uh,
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animosity towards because like, you know, he knows that they had nothing to do with like his mother's death. He doesn't, they don't represent like the promiscuity and general dickheadness of the people that deserve to die in his mind. So he's not like a total like mindless,
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like ah mine but i mean you know but I mean, he was brought back from the dead. and Yes, he was brought back from the dead. He's just not a complete zombie. but yeah i know I know what you're saying. He's supposed to be someone that kills without mercy. Just picks up whatever weapon's laying around. but Yeah, exactly.
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He just knows his way around the campgrounds because that's what has been his whole life. So that's how he gets ahead of you and, and you know, gets up on you. Exactly. He's got some teleporting abilities.
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He's got that obviously superhuman powers. He just knows the shortcuts, that's all. Yeah, he knows the shortcuts. He knows the shortcuts that can like put them like miles ahead of ah people in like, you know, about 120 seconds. He knows that kinds of shortcuts. I mean, shit. Motherfuckers almost got wings like Nephrum Jeepers Creepers.
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Yeah. Like, he'll be running, he'll just stand there and be like, oh, I see you're gonna take the long way. It's like, I'll just go this way and be there in like two seconds while you go all the way around. Yeah, I like the teleportation thing that they the way they incorporated it into the video game.
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Uh, if you played
New Predator Film and Animation Insights
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it, you know what I'm talking about. It it was like an ability and you had like a cool down time. So you could teleport like once every like 30 seconds to get like into a certain spot and surprise the counselor. You know what I mean? Without being detected or spooking them.
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It's pretty cool. But ah you're so right. The Indiana Jones thing is a great, a great example of that because the video game that they recently put out, although I have not played it, I heard is a beautiful looking game and is much better than people had initially thought it was going to be. So if you had, say, put that like out like...
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you know, a few years after the last movie, yeah, you would have kept like interest in the character and it wouldn't have been as lost by the younger generation. Or you at least you would have had time to find ah new Indiana Jones. Because like, you know, you got to retire Harrison Ford from that, you know?
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It's just like... them Like they did in Last Crusade where like, Sean Connery, you know, i was yeah words out my mouth yeah he doesn't have to do a whole lot. He's not running around or anything. You could have done the same thing with Harrison Ford, where he's not doing as much running and around, but he's still like, kind of and he could have became his father.
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Yeah. You know, he could have been lecturing junior junior. He could have totally became his father. It would have been great. Yeah. yeah Well, I think the problem with that was Shia LaBeouf, you know, kind of went nuts.
00:13:34
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Yeah. but So they weren't bringing him back for the next one. and People do be going nuts. People do be going nuts. But anyway, um tonight we are going to be talking about one of the, don't know, best films that I've seen in I would say this is my...
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I've seen it all the way through five or six times. And I would say that this is definitely my favorite film of 2025. I don't think I will see something aside from seeing a predator Badlands, the next predator film.
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I'm going to say, I don't think I'm going to see a better film in 2025, at least for me personally. ah What about you? ah Yeah. Well,
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A Killer of Killers is the Predator movie we were talking about. It's on Hulu now. So you can watch that. Yeah, I've seen it about two and a half times. ah Trying to get, trying to explain it to people that it's not a TV series. Because I always like, hey, it's like an anthology movie.
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And I've like, I've told couple people, hey, have you finished watching Predator? And they're like, oh, it's a series, right? And i'm like, no, it's a movie. It's like. Yeah. I was i was confused too in this show. Yeah.
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Yeah, you can watch it like I was like, you can watch it in segments like 20 minutes segments because that's about each chapter that yeah takes place. But there there is a wrap up at the end where it ties everything together.
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ah But yeah, I thought it um it was great. And I'm also looking it makes me really look forward to Badlands because Badlands, the trailer doesn't really like give away. enough information for you to exactly know what's quite going on yet. Yeah. know And, uh, and, but I, so it's like, I can see why some people are a little skeptical. They don't like the look of the, the younger predator in the in the new one. But like, uh, I think this one is, uh, was really, really good. And it's Dan tracking bird who did pray as well.
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And I really liked pray and he's doing badlands. So I have really i have high hopes for this. I mean, my only dislike for this movie would ah was I would have liked to see it in live action.
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But I completely understand why they didn't, because it would have been expensive. And it's predators, not a guaranteed to make a box office hit where they would have made their money back on on this the way, you know, just because it's a lot of time period stuff. And it's like so it's like costumes and like sets and it would yeah it would have just been like pretty expensive to to do so forgive me i jumped ahead a little bit do you want to uh give like a bit of a synopsis uh to describe killer of killers uh to you know people who don't because we we talked about it being like uh how it's not an anthology it's not a series
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but it was an animated graphic novel-esque type. How would you describe the filmmaking ah technique in this? What would you call it?
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I'd say it's, well, it's animation. it's and by like Yeah, it's ah it's a very different kind of animation. Yeah, they you it's like the they use like the Unreal Engine, which is like you know yeah a huge thing in video games.
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And it's very influenced by like the Arcane, that TV animated series that came out. i believe it's a lot of people that worked on that as well.
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it's It's highly stylized, I would say. It definitely reminded me some of recent projects of, like, you know, um ah the Spider-Man animated it and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, where it's... it Those kind of feel, like, more almost more hand-drawn, with ah but it still, like, seems kind of hand-drawn, but also mixed with computer. It's it's very interesting and very well done, and atlan and it looks great, too.
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and looks great so Anyone that's familiar with the Witcher video games, the cut scenes, especially the ones where there's jumps in time and they're describing ah through like, ah ah you know, the ah graphic visualizations, like what happened in between.
00:17:57
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Anyone that's familiar with that type of artwork, I think ah if you can, if you haven't seen it and you close your eyes and you think of it that way that's sort of how it comes out it like i said that's a lot of like project cd they use the unreal engine um a lot of the video games like right before like in the opening credits they'll show like whatever production company like band and namco or from software and then it will show or you know bethesda and then it'll uh you'll get like a pop-up of like
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Dolby Atmos or Unreal Engine or something like that. And, you know, say something like powered by Unreal Engine. And like, you know, I mean, whenever I see that, I'm always like, oh, cool. You know, the cut scenes are going to be really sick.
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So, yeah, I mean, it's just... I have not personally watched ah something like killer of killers, like using that engine that I can remember. Like I've never really seen animation done in this way. This was fresh for me.
00:19:08
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Yeah. I believe it's the first time they've actually used this engine for. Oh, really so oh so this is a fresh for every, because I've never heard of it before. Yeah. says, uh, the,
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the the one of the first feature films ever to do so shit was from akira and arcane yeah he said he wanted to felt it would be less effective than uh yeah embrace both stylized violence and visual spectacle in ways dan trackenberg felt would be less effective in live action several artists from arcane contributed to the production including the lead character animator yeah um You know, I usually ask you for your initial reaction, but I mean, ah ah this exceeded all expectations. The only thing that kind of pissed me off a little bit was you telling me that it exceeded all your expectations.
00:19:58
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But that's actually good because that set my expectations higher and it exceeded the higher expectations that I had that you set for me on top of my already high expectations yeah i was afraid i would and i when i first told you i was afraid i might have hyped it up too much yeah no yeah i was like oh shit like i don't know if keck's gonna like this now that i've hyped it up too much oh no this this knocked it out of the fucking park for me like i said like since it's been out what has it been like a couple months maybe uh like came out in june
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june Yeah, so it aged it out for less than two months. yeah And I've seen it five times from beginning to end.
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On three of those times, I've watched it solo. So, you know, it's not like I watched it and then I watched it with like each of my crew of friends, which I, you know, this is like an addiction that I've had to this since I haven't had anything like this since 1987 when the first Predator came out and I used to have to ah stay up late at night, wait for my parents to go to bed, and then I'd sneak down with the VHS copy and put it in the VCR with the volume all the way turned down, and I would sit right up close to the TV screen.
00:21:31
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You know what I mean? Like, you know, not since the original Predator. And I probably watched, like, bits and pieces more than two dozen times. um I mean, I just thought that they did an...
00:21:46
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on real engine gave them the, um, the ability to do some things that I have never seen before. Uh, I mean, and we'll get into it more, but with the way, you know, when people said anthology, when people said series, you're right. I mean, all you can basically watch this movie in four different parts. If you want it to, you could almost watch them in reverse order.
00:22:14
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Except for the last. you Yeah, you can't watch the last one in a reverse story. You can watch in reverse story. mean, you kind of could, but I would not advise that. I think that would mess the story up.
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But, I mean, it was it it was done brilliantly. The way they divided things up between not only, like, um...
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region in terms of like, you know, you had ah Vikings, you had so Norway, I think it was like 1810 AD during the Iron Age.
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ah Then I believe the samurai period was somewhere in like the like eighteen fifty s Japan. around that time. And then they did one that I believe was set in World War war two So like late nineteen thirty s early 1940s America. So not only did you have different geographical locations during major conflicts, but you also had different time periods in history and they did it just in like such a seamless way.
Ursa's Journey and Combat Strategies
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And yeah, you could totally watch like 20 minute c clip
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and or you know 15 minutes i think they were about 15 minutes 15 to 20 minutes each thing but you can totally watch them part by part so if you just wanted to go and get like a quick fix i think the first one was the shield so why don't we start there why just talk about the shield real quick uh yeah it was in uh 8 41 uh
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yeah, and it follows the shield was set in what 841 841. eight forty one Yes. And it follows a Viking warrior Ursa, who like leads her son and their clan on an expedition to kill a tribe leader who was, you know, responsible for the death of her father. And so it's a very basic revenge story.
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So they go in, you know, confront the the clan and then you know, the preator They were like, they were like, uh, Nordic Templars, right. That they were, ah confronting cause they called themselves priests.
00:24:28
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So I think it was against the Nordic town. I'm trying to think because they did a lot of historical research. That's the other thing. They didn't say like, Oh, Hey, we're just going to like, go make something during Vikings. Like, um, yeah, it starts out like in, uh,
00:24:44
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And, you know, like ah Norwegian or wherever it's ah it's just a Scandinavia. So it starts out in. that that language and then and it kind of goes through each you know all while they're on the boat kind of goes through each of the characters speaking in the language and then when it gets to like the mother and son it switch switches to english so which i really like so it's so you know they're all actually speaking another language but yeah for the sake of us and the audience the rest of this segment is going to be in english and they switch back and forth
00:25:15
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ah Yeah, a little bit. time Yeah. Yeah. When it comes back to like the final ah final segment, it switches back to where she's speaking all her language which because that kind of plays into the rest. Exactly. Everyone can't understand each other.
00:25:33
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So, yeah, I thought that was a really cool way to ah to do it. And the Shield also, if you were to go and mess with your audio tracks, at least I found one that was all in Norwegian where they didn't speak any angu English at all in the track options.
00:25:50
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I guess the only other thing I wanted to point out before diving into this first part was that ah I thought that between 1810 and 1850 was the perfect time to pick for them because that was also at the height of what they called the Iron Age 1850.
00:26:14
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in Scandinavia, where their warfare at that point, their weapons of war, were considered to be, for that time, the most modernized than they've ever been.
00:26:27
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ah So I thought that was like a really good time to showcase And, ah you know, being a big fan of the Vikings TV show, I know about the shield maidens. The only thing I've never seen before, though, is a shield maiden that actually uses her shield as like a death blow weapon. oh like They use their shields in combat.
00:26:54
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Like, don't get me wrong. Viking warriors used to use their shields offensively in combat, but I've never seen one where like she fashioned her shields into like dual shields that like had blades on them and were like capable. Like I've never, so they took a little bit liberty with that, but it made it awesome.
00:27:16
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Like, I think they should have done nothing different. Yeah. Yeah, me too. It's really bloody too. and that they kind of chi right away I thought the action scenes were really good in the in this first one too. It kind of does set the stage for it.
00:27:30
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I was like, alright, that's pretty good. like ah but We'll have to see what's next. but um I could definitely see some people online were a little upset that like the Predator wasn't stalking more. I was like, like well, there it's going to be in three segments so they kind of have to kind of get right to the to the point. like If the whole thing Yeah. Movie was, uh, about the Vikings. If it was whole two hour movie, then you sure, it can stalk a little bit longer and then reveal it. How long was the movie?
00:27:55
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I think it was under 90 minutes. I think it was like an hour and 23 minutes or hour and 24 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. So it, yeah, kind of gets right to the point, which I like in, and, it and And it reveals itself pretty pretty quickly.
00:28:09
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and the Predator does stalk, but the Predator is on like a specific mission. I guess people that aren't familiar with the comics or aren't familiar with the Yatcha lore don't understand. like Those Predators were there to try to find...
00:28:27
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very, very powerful opponents. And the premise was, is that if one of those predators did not return back home to report of their success, they then sent their mothership to locate and identify who defeated one of their, you know, elite warriors and to basically harvest that person as like an adversary in, you know, their...
00:28:55
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their culture, you know, and they're, well, we'll get into it, but like, you know what mean? So like the Predator's job was not to like go and like crazy stalk and kill one by one, like it did in the movies.
00:29:07
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It was there to observe and then, you know, try to be a one man army to take out like the win winner of everything. Yeah. And I don't see why that was like confusing the people. do i think it's just people that have only, you know, watched like the first movies or you know, watch the live action versions and and don't really what else.
00:29:30
Speaker
And they just seems like they just want the same thing over again, just set in a different time period, which should not be what Predator is. Like, I don't want to just see the same thing over and over again. I want,
00:29:42
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new deeper prior to lore and this sets up a lot of deep prior to lore in that like that looks like it's straight from the comics to Yeah. yeah and I know a lot of people were. go book Yeah. I mean, the artwork is brilliant. It does. And the comic artwork is really, really good. And considering the comic artwork only started, I believe in the late eighties, after the success of the first movie, I do not, ah you know, the movie started at all. So, you know, it's not like these are like Superman comics that you could buy in like the 1950s or even, thirty s you know,
00:30:19
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30, yeah. I have no idea how far it goes back, but you know what I mean? But like, you know, the, yeah, I mean, the artwork has been like absolutely tremendous as we've talked about, but um yeah, ah I guess. that is How did you feel about the ah weapons that the Predator used against the Vikings?
00:30:41
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I was like a just about to say, you fucking wrecked. I was going to say I guess the thing I want to talk about next are the individual predators. And i was going ask you how you felt. I've already asked you first, so you've got to go first. Because they use a sonic weapon against the Vikings. Yeah, I would say – well – i It's hard to... Because there was only two predators that were actually on foot challenging people, which we'll get into.
00:31:20
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um I thought that their weapons was were really fucking cool. Because the one against the Vikings... Um, that predator looked like it was one of the more diesel predators. Like there's different, like, I guess in the Yatcha world, there's predators of different clans. There are, some of them are a little bit genetically different from one another. Some like seem to be like a lot larger, like kind of like a incredible Hulk.
00:31:49
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yeah style and some are ah about like the size of like um an nba player you know what i mean so like you know you have these like crazy like muscular ones and then you have like these like kind of like faster more stealthy ones is the way i go about it and then you sometimes see ah ones that are like in the middle this was a gigantic fucking beast and And the only weapon i saw him use was, i think, one.
00:32:22
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And that was like a, he had some kind of gravitational device. It looked like he lost his hand probably in battle. And so he put like, instead of a hook That, like, you know, a Viking captain would have or, you know, some captain. He had this, like, gravitational device and you had to cock it.
00:32:44
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Like, you know, a shotgun. I thought it was more of, like, a sonic blast. where yeah like Yeah, well, it maybe but it, like, seemed to pulse gravity waves. Which just caused, you know what I mean? It, like, shot, like...
00:32:57
Speaker
You know, like only jokes about concentrated time and fringe. Like, no, man. that guy It was like a concentrated pulse of gravity that would just like you would he would conquer it. And instead of it firing like a shotgun buckshot, it just shot like a fucking sonic boom. yeah pulse of like magnetic waves that just blew shit apart and blew. My favorite part was when he grabbed the one Viking, held him against like a wooden post. He cocked that shit up and just hit him once in the head and it did not destroy his head.
00:33:36
Speaker
His face, his skull was intact. It just ripped the rest of his body clean off so that he was holding the head and he was like studying the last moments of terror the Viking had.
00:33:51
Speaker
and And of course, it has spinal column hanging out like the iconic thing. So instead of like ripping out using the wrist blades, this guy was just like sonic boom and motherfuckers heads off.
00:34:04
Speaker
And Ursa, she ah managed to turn the tides. Yeah, by using um i using the shield. Before I get into that, what did you think about the weapons?
00:34:14
Speaker
I thought it might have been a little too, like, because they do tend to go in and kind of use and ah technology that's close to the same era.
00:34:25
Speaker
for fairness. for fairness. what area yeah for fairness um So I thought, like, the Sonic thing might have been a little too overpowered for that kind of era, but at the same time, like, It worked for the you know the way she uses the shield against it and the way she discovers that, like, oh, the predator can't see me and, like, it's using my body heat to, to like, track me.
00:34:48
Speaker
Like, the way that all came about, I thought was really well done when she, like, falls under the ice and and shit and then the predator's, like, looking down, like, dead at her, but it can't see her. And she's like, okay, like, it it can't see my body. here Yeah, yeah, i I guess we should talk about, I mean, well, I actually thought that it was extremely appropriate. I mean, it it was still up against formidable foes.
00:35:12
Speaker
It did not seem to be wearing any real heavy armor. So they were able to damage it with like spears and axes and stuff like that. It was ah up against a large force. I thought the weapon was like actually kind of tame, at least from my perspective. of um to a But what we should say is They were in a structure when she finally ah confronted Zoran, the man that killed her father.
00:35:41
Speaker
And ah because of what me and Doc just described, when you're in this old school wooden Viking fortress and you have a weapon that's sending out sonic booms,
00:35:55
Speaker
Left and right in an enclosure, there might be some structural issues to that building. And so the whole thing collapses. Whoever is still in there is like either thrown out or crushed if they weren't already killed. And she falls all the way off a cliff and, you know, does that thing where she uses her shield. So she's cliffhanging it, but like she can't do it.
00:36:21
Speaker
falls all the way down, but, like, a block of ice falls first that collapses into the lake, which probably saved their life. Yeah. Because if she hit the hard ice at that... The only thing that kind of was weird to me is that, like, she's under that ice-cold water for, like, sort of a while.
00:36:40
Speaker
And, like, when she comes out, like... she like lets off like a brief, like, ah, you know, it's a bit cold, but she did not seem like technically she would have only had like a few minutes to get warm before she went in the hypothermia and passed out. But like, Hey,
00:37:01
Speaker
I loved it, so I'm not going to fucking nitpick at little things like that. I'm just going to take it as Scandinavians are kind of built differently. Yeah, all right. When they take ice baths, they're used to that fucking type of shit. The other thing I should say, and you know what? You just made me think of this. See, the yachas are very, very weak to cold.
00:37:27
Speaker
They, you know, ah because at least it's been established that they're not actually warm blooded. Their body is sort of um like ah adaptive to like whatever temperature they're they'rein but they prefer heat.
00:37:44
Speaker
They prefer very, very warm climates. And, you know, that's like where they live. Those are like where they call home. So when he goes, I should say this out of every one, she's the only one that defeats the predator one-on-one in hand-to-hand combat.
00:38:07
Speaker
Like, and that's really badass. And a lot of people were saying like that I had read, well, when the predator went under the water, he would have just been so disoriented and his body would have been suffering.
00:38:22
Speaker
He should have easily gotten by her. And I just don't think that that's true. Like, yeah. You know, obviously under the water because she's like Nordic and all that, and she knows how to swim, and he probably hasn't had much swimming practice. You kind of, you know, all right, she might have the advantage.
00:38:42
Speaker
She still killed him With her bare hands. She used that chain. And wrapped him up with that anchor. She's her smart. She got the drop on him. Yeah.
00:38:54
Speaker
She got the drop on him. ah you know he was in her domain. And she took him. Hand to hand. Yeah. And that's badass. And I thought it was fucking awesome.
00:39:08
Speaker
and I thought that was a good start to the series too. And then it leads into my favorite of the of all of them, the second one, which is the the samurai ninja one.
Samurai Brothers vs Predator
00:39:20
Speaker
ah thought it was just fucking beautifully done. And this one's set in 1609 Japan, and it follows two brothers, sons of a samurai warlord, who are determined to duel to find the father's successor. One of them refuses to fight.
00:39:33
Speaker
The other one attacks him and defeats him, and then he the other one flees ah flees away, then it jumps 20 years later. And he's, I guess the father has just died, and he comes in. Mention the cut.
00:39:48
Speaker
Huh? Oh, yeah, he cuts him on, like, the the face and shit to defeat him. But, ah yeah, so then, like, the ninja comes back to attack him, and that's when, like, the predator's, like, kind of watching and hunting them down, and I thought the ninja sequences were fucking dope, where he's trying to, like, prevent the guy from, like, ringing the bell.
00:40:10
Speaker
ah Oh, yeah. He's like, one off the ledge and like has the other one wrapped up like he succeeded. And then you just look across the other way and the other guy sees him and just starts ringing. He's like, oh, God damn it. He just drops the one guy that lands on two others heads.
00:40:25
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I got to get more introspective. I mean, this is going to be probably one of our longer cast. But yeah, I mean, like Doc described, I mean, ah i think that this was my favorite as well.
00:40:37
Speaker
but it's hard because the others were so fucking good too. But one thing I'd just like to point out initially, because you brought it up about the predator weapon. See, I thought that in this one, the predator might have been using weapons that were a little bit too advanced for a samurai. Now I realized that it was going up against very intense warriors here. um This was also at the pinnacle of the Samurai Age, where their swords were fucking, like, very strong. They were, like, folded, like, 200 times. Like, their metallurgy was really good. They probably had the best steel at that time known to man, and maybe still do. Anyway,
00:41:28
Speaker
But that predator had like explosive projectiles, like bombs they could throw at motherfuckers. and ah See, i didn't think that was that far from... It had long-range explosive projectiles. It basically had a bazooka on him. It did have projectiles, but I feel like that at that time... Bazooka projectiles, thought.
00:41:55
Speaker
rocket-propelled grenades. They were like darts that, like, exploded or whatever. Yeah, they were propelled grenades. Yeah, but, I mean, they did have that... They did have, you know, explosives at that time in Japan, so that's not Yeah, howitzer cannons or something like that. Yeah, but still, but, I mean, liked that the main weapon he used was, like, almost like that ninja-chained weapon with the fucking...
00:42:23
Speaker
thing in the end of it like that he uses the most oh yeah i thought i thought he used that great and the spear was really cool um i love the spear yes i've always liked the predator uh spears but i did think that it's weapons because of the rocket propelled grenades uh I thought the bazooka was little bit of an unfair advantage, but like, I think that the samurai also felt it was an unfair advantage and they took advantage of that unfair advantage because that's what you do when you're confronting a superior force. You try to take their weapons, which are superior to years and use them against them because that's the way you do it. But you have to outsmart the predator. There's no way this predator stalked them very closely to. Yeah. This one uses the most camouflage out of all of them. So yeah. Which fits because it, uh, it's very much ninja.
00:43:27
Speaker
Yeah. And like he goes like the, the, he goes into like, You know, he kills a bunch of the the his brother's like ninja guys, and then he like confronts his brother. and And then like you he yeah he thinks he kills his brother accidentally, which wasn't it really his intent, from what I believe. but um oh i Also, I ah want to mention, this one has like almost no dialogue, except for like the very beginning and and the very end.
00:43:52
Speaker
it's It's all about like you know just the looks they give each other and the and the context. But yeah, then like when the Predator does attack... he kind of defends himself well enough. And then he's just like, all right, I need to get the fuck out of here.
00:44:05
Speaker
And then he like kind of bounces. And like, you see the predator rip through all these other ninjas, like on his way. like little bit yeah yeah It's like the predator could have just like knocked him out of the way or something like that. But like, it was like, nah, I i need to kill everyone. I come across like, you know what I mean? Because he was only chasing that one ninja and the one ninja was like kicking butt. I just wanted to mention, um In the beginning, ah they do like this ceremony where you had briefly touched on it, where the father wants the two brothers to fight for who's going to be, I think, the new Shogun.
00:44:42
Speaker
Yeah. And the new Shogun is awarded the family crest, which is an armor set. yeah And, ah you know, the one brother, like, obviously, like, bows and says, look, I'm not fighting my brother. Like, you know, I'm not fighting him to the fucking death. Like, that's bullshit.
00:44:59
Speaker
Um, so, you know, but his brother decides, yeah, I want this more than anything. And he slices him, his other brother yields and he just slices his face. And then the one runs off, you think you're never going to hear from him again.
00:45:14
Speaker
And then the scene you just described, like when he accidentally like falls off, I thought it was a great bit of comedy, how he just does that little neck on his face. Like, yeah um that's his revenge.
00:45:28
Speaker
Yeah. I told all your men, i just wanted to do that and I'm going to leave. And, ah you know, he accidentally falls. But what I thought was great was,
00:45:39
Speaker
was that entire fight sequence one-on-one between the two of them. all of the different weapons use. Cause like you were talking about ah the appropriate weapons. And I do agree with everything except the bombs because they were using chain weapons. You remember that cool thing he was thrown. I can't remember what that's called, but like all the weapons you saw in that great scene from kill bell, it seemed like they employed the chains, the fucking throwing darts, like fucking everything. uh, After that battle goes, I love the scene how the Predator is revealed because he's like staring at his father's picture and the Predator just tears through it and just goes after him. and then you know We talked about that.
00:46:29
Speaker
My question to you is my favorite scene out of all that. I know the combat was really cool, except for the very end when they kill the predator.
00:46:42
Speaker
I love the rooftop sequence. Even though it was brief, I wanted to know how you felt about that. Yeah, I was going to say, like, I really like the predator rooftop but chase yeah slash battle where yeah where he's kind of like,
00:46:58
Speaker
He's running for his life. Yeah, he's running for his life and he's dipping below and and taking advantage of the predator and like, not knowing where he's going and shit. Like, yeah, I thought that was really well done. we actually that He sees the predators cloaking device and he knew that.
00:47:14
Speaker
Did we mention that after he like did though? No, I mean like how he's like hanging up on the beams and after he see, he sees the predator ah use his spear to ah cut the guy in half. So he saw the Predator hit the button. So he saw that the Predator had more than just a spear.
00:47:36
Speaker
It was a spear that had like a mechanical action on it. he uses it to save his brother life player. But do you remember he sees the Predator go like, it and go into camo? Yeah.
00:47:48
Speaker
like Yeah. So he knew that the Predator had the ability to go in and out of invisibility. Yeah. Which was kind of a big advantage because in the Viking sequence, once the predator comes out of its camouflage, ah he stays visible at the right time. This guy keeps going back into stealth, which I was also kind of like...
00:48:17
Speaker
eh, you know, you killed pretty much everybody. You still got to use your stealth after this one guy? i mean, I liked it because it was very, ah you know, because ninjas are are all about stealth as well. So the priority use stealth I thought was great. That's a good point. I thought it worked for me really well.
00:48:38
Speaker
um Yeah, I thought they they brought back the the netting. that kind like cuts you and like wraps around you and cuts you into pieces. Oh yeah, in the next one, yeah. Yeah, in the next one. thought they used it in this one as well, didn't they? He used, yeah, in this one he used the chain. No, it was the chain. It wraps him around tree. Oh, it wraps around you, yeah. Just like the netting, yeah. It's similar to the netting.
00:49:04
Speaker
But um yeah, and so after the rooftop sequence, it did occur to me too The Predator knew that this one samurai was a very formidable foe.
00:49:18
Speaker
Like right off the bat, one-on-one, I think that this Predator maybe was using his camouflage because he knew if he was fully revealed the whole time... He would, you know, this guy really knew how to fucking fight. And like, you know, I mean, he saw that battle with his brother and he kept like repositioning himself during that battle.
00:49:41
Speaker
So he could get like the best angles and he was what he knew that this guy, because as soon as he looked at his father and tore through that thing in the dojo. Like the predator was going after him full bar none, man.
00:49:55
Speaker
There was no like, Hey, I'm here. Let's go one-on-one. That predator lunged at his fucking ass. And does the same thing after that great sequence when he falls out of the palace, lands in the river and, you know, you get like the iconic, there's always somebody that's crawling out of like a body of water that they just escaped the predator from like Schwarzenegger did like, and then, you know, the whole thing with his brother.
00:50:25
Speaker
Yeah. His brother shows back up and like starts battling him he immediately. doesn't know about predator. Yeah. at all. So yeah, so then he starts when he's like, hold up, there's another fucking, you know, ah presence here that we need to battle.
00:50:38
Speaker
And then it becomes like, you know, the brother teaming up to take the fucking prayer down. And that sequence is fucking fantastic as well. Amazing. Or he again, he uses the priorities weapon against him in this as well, too. So And you remember when he saves him from the spear because he misses his brother with the spear. Yeah. And he goes right away and like pushes his head down to avoid like, you know, the trap that like, you know, the crazy thing that the spear could do to cut somebody in half.
00:51:05
Speaker
Like, you know, it slices and it dices or pokes and it fucking dices, whatever. Um, but, uh, yeah, I mean, that was just like a fantastic sequence. Uh, yeah.
00:51:18
Speaker
I especially like the end. But what was it? You know, we talked about the ah bombs that I have a problem with. He like steals one of the bombs, right? One of the samurai.
00:51:31
Speaker
He like grabs one. Yeah, and he kind of shoves it into where the spear thing. I think he either shoves it. The predator uses the chain thing. Yeah, and he like hooks it to the chain so when it comes back into him,
00:51:45
Speaker
Yeah. but Yeah. It blows up at that point. Basically it falls into his like pouch of grenades and the president's like, Oh fuck. That still doesn't kill him. Cause like he goes back into like stealth mode and the brothers have to do that fucking classic.
00:52:00
Speaker
sam i ideal but I didn't like that. that that didn't have I mean, don't get me wrong. I thought the two brothers teaming up to kill the Predator at the end was brilliant.
00:52:12
Speaker
That charge, I mean, I knew what was coming. Because they try to make it seem like they're going to square off. But they're not. Yeah. the only thing i don't get is is that when that bomb fell into its satch of grenades that was attached to his body it definitely blew his arm off and he's definitely heavily injured and probably wouldn't have survived but like yeah i just don't understand how he was able to cloak again because you would have seen the blood everywhere even if he went in the cloak there would have been blood dripping but you know what again said
00:52:49
Speaker
keck just fuck off if they did that there would not be this brilliant scene where the two brothers fucking you know because they get two good sweat they cut them in half they cut them in no they cut them in thirds right yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah, I just kind of took that as like... No, quarters, because the two slices will cut him in four parts.
00:53:18
Speaker
Yeah, so I mean... yeah But yeah, i thought I took it as like they have just finished in the job not just to make sure he's dead because he was probably dead from the explosion. But I took that. No, no, he was. No, he still he survived the explosion.
00:53:32
Speaker
Yeah, but he was definitely like going to live very long. But I took it as them completely finishing. can't. I couldn't tell because you couldn't say. He was close, you know, but they knew he was there. He was probably really hurting.
00:53:46
Speaker
And I loved how they showed in the very beginning, you see leaves falling in the blade before the predator or anything. He's, you know, talking in Japanese about leaves on the tree. So they were like foreshadowing how they were going to see him at the end.
00:54:03
Speaker
And when they see the leaf, like just suddenly land and do. What a great scene. Yeah. What a fucking great scene. So anyway, I know we took a while on the blade, but it was just such a tremendous, just ah is such a tremendous sequence. yeah And that takes us to our third piece with the battle.
00:54:24
Speaker
What was that called? Sorry, the bullet. The bullet. Yeah. Yeah. That took place in 1942. Yeah. with uh torres is uh drafted into uh the navy as ah a fighter pilot but at this point he's still like more of a mechanic he's not quite a a pilot yeah because when um at that time when um Well, you know what? I'm not sure. No, it wouldn't. I was going to say when black people were drafted in at that time, they couldn't be more than like cooks or mechanics. But Torres was of Latin descent. So I mean, that's not true because you have the whole...
00:55:06
Speaker
um the black there there a whole black force of pilots so yeah uh there later became i think they were the airmen and then there was also a um a uh there was a tank regiment yeah that fought the nazis so there were two like uh african-american ah ah large African-American forces, one that fought in the Pacific and the other in um in Germany and, well, in Europe. But I don't want to get too sidebarred into history. yeah But Torres was of Latin descent.
00:55:42
Speaker
And um so I think his issue is is that he was screwing around the lot. He mentioned he was sent to the brig a lot. He was a troublemaker. he was a trouble Yeah, and his plane kept, like, malfunctioning, so, like, he was pretty grounded because of that.
00:56:01
Speaker
And that's when, like, the the, you know, the Predator's ship is, like, they hear, like, oh, there's an attack going on, so, like... Hooked from the sky! Yeah, yeah.
00:56:13
Speaker
And they, uh, the team with, um, Michael Bean, you know, who's now joins that a illustrious, uh, um, You know, ah what's the word for it?
00:56:27
Speaker
But he's in Terminator, Predator, and Aliens. So he's ah he's one of, you know, along with Lance Hendrickson and Bill Paxton. So he's one of the trio. He's now included in what?
00:56:43
Speaker
He's now included in that, you know, club of being in ah being in all three of the franchises of Alien, Predator, and Terminator. Oh, yeah. so we We'll just call him a whaling man.
00:56:54
Speaker
Yeah. yeah He just does the voice of one of the other pilots. So they go out to like, they think they're going out to battle other, you know, enemy pilots, which they do at first, but then the, uh, predator ship. They think it's like a large force. Like that came out nowhere, like a second sneak attack or something like that.
00:57:16
Speaker
And, uh, yeah, it's just one predator in his tech ass plane. Yeah, and and Torres goes out to warn them about it in his riggedy old... ah uh plane that's like falling apart yeah it doesn't even have like i don't think it even has like um a normal like clutch i think it's like uh well think altimeter gauge is like uh like basically just rigged with a wrench well it broke when he was flying and he just uses the wrench to to take over yeah like nothing was broken on his fucking plane at all which was really like so he was basically using his inju and ingenuity to like you know
00:57:53
Speaker
yeah like Not only fly his ah plane at the time, but also to battle the, the predator in the ship. Now, what did you think about the, like the predator ship battling pilots in this one? Because ah for me, this was probably my least favorite of the three. And I mean, that's not saying like, I'm not saying it's terrible. I think it's also a great sequence, but the first two, I really liked predator on the ground.
00:58:21
Speaker
I think like, i don't think youd agree I don't think the Predator should really be flying around his ship taking out people. i don't know how. I agree. i agree i thought it was more about physical prowess. This was all about like, hey, our technology is superior to yours.
00:58:36
Speaker
So, you know, it kind of like it was strange because it kind of like went against what they had already established in the first two. So even though I really did enjoy this. Yeah. Visually. Yeah. yeah And there was one other thing that I noticed that was kind of weird. And I even froze the TV on it a few times, but it looked like the predator, maybe the predator that was flying was handicapped.
00:59:06
Speaker
Like I was thinking maybe it didn't have legs or something because I noticed when I froze it and I could maybe look at it right here, I had an image of him.
00:59:18
Speaker
It looked like the Predator didn't have talons. Like his head was shaved, or he was like wearing a helmet, because those aren't like for the Predator, those aren't actually like hair. Those are like, ah those talons are like ah follicles that like um are used to like sense things, sensations and stuff.
00:59:41
Speaker
It can like smell through those, at least in the comics. I don't think that's what the route, though. I think they've kind of changed that into where, and at least from what it looks like, what Atlans is going to be.
00:59:53
Speaker
Yeah, see, I'm looking at him. Nobody can see that on the podcast, Keck, so. yeah i'm just i wish I wish I could ah put that on there. I wish I could ah share this image. But if anybody's interested, it just ah when you're watching it, just try to freeze the frame when they show the pilot.
01:00:13
Speaker
And he looks just very, very different. And that's just an observation. I was just going to say in the trailer for Badlands, it does look more like it's more hair the way it it is in the trailer. I saw it in the trailer for Badlands. I didn't see that. It just looked like to see different tribes have different styles. It looked like he actually had it. Like, I don't want to, it looked like he had it like slicked back, like mafioso style. Like remember Antonio Banderas from four rooms, uh, when he's trying to comb his kid's hair. And he's like, do it like me. It looked like that predator like went back, took some grease and was like, I'm slicking back my fucking talons.
01:00:54
Speaker
I'm getting ready to go into battle. He picks up his spear and like goes out like that prehistoric creature. i was just like, yeah, man. I feel that. like Well, I take it as because he's a younger teenage predator. He had the full set of hair where if you look at like the original predator, He's balder in the middle, and then he has the hair on the back.
01:01:14
Speaker
Yeah, but this guy has nothing. like Yeah, so maybe he shaved his head. Another thing is – Maybe he's a Nazi predator. No, I mean – I was thinking he might have been very injured in battle or something like that.
01:01:30
Speaker
And maybe like, you know, he lost that. And the fact that he's not on, you know, on the ground doing like, you know, hand to hand combat, maybe he like, they don't show it, but I was thinking maybe he was like very injured and he was like trying to show his like worth as like, um you know, in an aviator come, you know, an aviator combat, like, I don't know.
01:01:57
Speaker
Yeah. It just, he looked different from any predator I've seen before. Yeah, that was just the one thing of the... It's like, if your goal is to find, like, the, you know, best fighter to go against, if you're going use them in, like, some, you know, epic, like, Game of Hunts ah later on, in the last part, which we get into...
01:02:19
Speaker
A fighter pilot is not like – when you have that a whole World war ii situation going on, fighter pilot is not going to be your guy looking for. So that was the only thing I did i disliked about that. they fucked up his weapon too.
01:02:31
Speaker
Yeah. So I feel like the Predators might have been like somehow confused. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They didn't know. oh yeah, we'll get into that. Yeah, you know. But, you know, overall, I thought the sequence, it still looked fucking wonderful, the way, like, it flew around, and, like, he flies through the city to use his cover and flies in through the other battles. Talking about the weapons. You were talking about the weapons that they use, like the net and stuff. Yeah, he uses, like, it you know, it's like a a net that like shoots out and will wrap around the plane and and you know squeeze it like into dice yeah it that looked like this stuff from like uh like that whip from starship troopers yeah yeah and like or or it was like that spear would go through the fucking plane and into the guy and then just pulled it back through the plane and then it just had like this trail of fucking bodies that he was like
01:03:23
Speaker
flying through the air with the trail what and it ripped the engine out and then exploded the engine and i was just thinking like why wouldn't you just use like your beam at that point you know what i mean like but it was almost like don't know i guess he was trying to do that as like a sense of fairness like hey I crafted these myself. Like yeah it would be to use my plasma cannon. I could just wipe out the entire squadron. So I'm just going to sadistically use these hooks and ah these nets that rip them from limb, literally limb from limb.
01:04:04
Speaker
Like, ah you know, so I'll just resort to cruelty for fairness. Yeah. But ah the part I thought was cool was when his engine catches on fire.
01:04:16
Speaker
Yeah. And he decides to like, i I mean, I'd say he lost his mind because I don't think anyone would ever do this. I think they would have taken their chances going down and ditching.
01:04:29
Speaker
But he like he like props up the – he props – His steering column so that it didn't basically he tried to use autopilot cruise control before it was invented.
Aerial and Gladiator Battles
01:04:45
Speaker
Basically wrench and he climbs out on the wing of the plane to kick his on fire engine off. Yeah, when I saw that, I was like, oh, I guess you decide to Tom Cruise it out there. Yeah, or commit suicide. like He was just like, you know what?
01:05:01
Speaker
I don't want to get ripped apart by those nets. I'm just going to jump out of the plane. Yeah, because that's definitely something Tom Cruise would do in a Mission and Tom Cruise movie. Because I'm pretty sure he climbs onto a biplane in this in the last Mission Impossible that I just saw.
01:05:18
Speaker
and Yeah. Does he time out onto a plane? Yeah. Oh, dude, it's a great fucking sequence, because you know he fucking was out there doing that shit. I mean, he's, like, secure and shit, but, like, that's not CGI. Like, they're flying over. Oh, he was, like, actually out? Oh, shit. All right. Well, exactly. I don't want to go on. I don't want to down that wormhole. Getting back to the episode, though, I'm not exactly... Well...
01:05:44
Speaker
What they use that scene for where he kicks the engine off the plane is that the Predator was locked onto them and he was about to launch one of his ah engine hook killing devices. Yeah, and he realizes that he's using heat.
01:05:59
Speaker
to to track them and everything at the same time it didn't make sense because after he used the one that uh shot that down he could have immediately target the second plane he had that ability but again out of all the ones i said again for a third time keck let it fucking go this is how they're using it to establish this This is a 90 minute movie.
01:06:25
Speaker
They have fucking ah ah deadline here that they have. It's still spectacular to watch. Like, but yeah, there's definitely fucking spectacular. When they climb up. Oh yeah. When they the climb up and it's like, you know, I'm going to buy you some time.
01:06:43
Speaker
Kill that motherfucker. And you know, then he gets his head chopped off like immediately afterwards. Yeah. Didn't even give him much time. That whole scene where they kind of did that like above the clouds and then they both shot back down and predator went down first and then him behind him and shot out his one engine.
01:07:05
Speaker
That was fucking brilliant. Um, and like you said, I thought you described the enemy sequence when I think they're driving through a German occupied France at the time. And he's like doing those crazy maneuvers through like alleys and shit like that. Like, I mean, I personally thought was ridiculous.
01:07:26
Speaker
Like, there's no way he would be able to control that plane through there without, like, clipping a wing. But, again, you know. Missing an engine, not missing a fucking... to yeah like Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he would have no thrust on one wing. So, I mean, that's just crazy. But... yeah hey It made for fucking awesome visuals.
01:07:49
Speaker
The only other thing I guess I'd criticize in that scene is when he thinks he takes the Predator out and he goes under the water like the Predator ship crashes. And like I get it.
01:08:01
Speaker
Their technology would allow for underwater propulsion. But it looked like the entire front of the cockpit was ripped open so that the water would have just been rushing.
01:08:15
Speaker
and So when he came out, he would still have to be drained in the water. It looked like it was totally dry in there. So unless he activated like a force field that they did not show on camera, ah that's what happened to the predator. And he seemed to not be fazed from it.
01:08:39
Speaker
Well, it put out any fires that were on his ship, that's for sure. yeah That it did. that That it did. But yeah, I would just think that the rush of water doing maybe, don't know, ah in miles per hour, he hit the ocean. it looked maybe at 300 400 miles per hour.
01:09:00
Speaker
I think the force of that water would have like ripped the predator from the cockpit and like maybe even shot him through the back of the ship. But, you know, whatever.
01:09:12
Speaker
um ah yeah It looked awesome. And then, you know, he ah did what his father told him to. He flooded the engine. It made for like a heartwarming thing. And, you know, he took him out in the long run. i thought it was a... I thought visually probably that might have been the most impressive how he went down through like with the plane. Like all like in terms of like all the like ah stuff that I saw the creators doing on the computers, it looked like that was the most challenging and ambitious one.
01:09:48
Speaker
out of like all them, the bullet. And, you know, and it was really cool how they showed, i thought, afterwards because after the shield and after the blade at the end, you see Ursa and what was the Samurai Warrior's name? Do they ever say his name?
01:10:12
Speaker
Well, I'll just call him the Samurai Warrior for the sake of it. They both show them... Yeah. Would they both show him? They both show the two of them in like the predator ship and they're both like mourning, you know, she's mourning the loss of her son because it seems in her mind like that just happened. He just lost his brother, the samurai. So it looked like, you know, it was fresh on his mind because, you know, they were obviously like frozen in stasis.
01:10:44
Speaker
Um, but for him, they show how he gets abducted afterwards, how he's in that, like, uh, I think it's in like the new Mexican desert or something. He's back at his, like, uh, his, um, father's farm fixing. Yeah. And they, you know, show how they capture him.
01:11:02
Speaker
I thought that was really cool. Yeah. So then he wakes up and this leads right into the, uh, final, uh, battle on where he wakes up alongside them in the cell. And then you find out that they had all been placed in like suspended animation.
01:11:16
Speaker
And we don't know how far into the future it necessarily is. That's a good point. We don't. They are on like another, they're all back on like a planet. ah You know, they're on a desert alien world. Maybe even the predator worlds where we're not really sure where they end up, but it is a based on the comics. It was not the predator world. Okay. Yeah. They, they basically ah end up with this tribe that are,
01:11:42
Speaker
forcing them three to battle each other using their weapons of their time ah to face each other, then whoever wins has to face the you know the chief, or what Ursa calls the Grendel King.
01:11:55
Speaker
Oh, yeah. i like I like that. I like that terminology. I like Grendel King. i'm not I think it's an insult. I'm not sure actually what that means. i think I think it was like calling them like the bitch king or something like that, but I'm not 100% certain. Well, Grendel is from like Beowulf.
01:12:16
Speaker
so Oh, i did i um I don't remember that. Okay, well yeah, it's it's from that mythology from that time. gotcha. Shows my ignorance.
01:12:27
Speaker
Yeah, so it's basically like, you know, he's very terrible, look like he's described as very terrible to look upon. And it's like, yeah, he's like ah it's like a monster whatever. Yeah. Is what Grendel kind of is.
01:12:41
Speaker
But yeah, the the the one thing that like strikes you right away, well, first off, it shows how they put the ah bomb on the neck. And the reason I mentioned that they had like you know, some predator who is obviously sentenced to death and they bring him out. Well, i should call him Yatcha. I shouldn't call him Prater.
01:13:00
Speaker
But anyway, they bring out a condemned prisoner and they, both Torres and Ursa and the samurai, they all have the same collars around their necks, which are bombs, but they illustrate that, you know, it's a bomb and they blow the guy's head off.
01:13:17
Speaker
But right before they blow his head off, there was a scene i watched a few times so I understood it. Right when they put the bomb on his neck. all the other Yatcha in attendance. Cause there's like, it's a stadium.
01:13:32
Speaker
You can't tell exactly how many are there, but like, I got the idea that there were at least like at least 20 to maybe a hundred thousand Yatcha. Yeah. It's kind like a gladiator arena, but like, yeah. is like yeah Like a Roman Coliseum type thing.
01:13:51
Speaker
where, you know, you have the emperor on top of what looks like a gigantic prehistoric skull. looked like a dinosaur, you know, of some huge creature. I mean, they only show its skull, and this thing is, like, fucking stories high.
01:14:10
Speaker
So it would have been a monstrously large beast. And, you know, he's up there, and he's got, like, some voice inhibitor thing, where like when he speaks in his language, which well I don't know what the Yatcha speak. I've never really seen that like in the movies, but um he's got like a translator so they can understand him. Are the translators not in that neck? It might and might have been, yeah. I'm not sure how exactly that worked.
01:14:41
Speaker
But like he explains like the general rules and then they shoot all these pods, these three pods to deliver ah weapons. He's like. you will each be given a weapon of your tribe.
01:14:54
Speaker
You know, ah you know, uh, three men enter one man leaves the victor will fight me. And, you know, of course the samurai gets a samurai sword, the Viking check gets so a axed, pray Sif. And, ah you know, Torres of course, and this is where like the comedy aspect yeah yeah is they did want to do that.
01:15:16
Speaker
He gets a musket, but it is interesting. Because it actually it wasn't a musket. It was pistol. It was the pistol. The last one we see from Prey and Predator 2. this thing and it oh yeah it was the well I'm not sure if it was the same date as the one in Predator 2. But I think it probably was. it would supposed to be think it was 1769 in Predator 2. But I could be wrong.
01:15:42
Speaker
But anyway, it said 1715. And that is, for anybody that's familiar with the comic... there's a comic where a predator ah boards a pirate ship in the Nassau area. And basically it observes that the pirate captain is an exceptional warrior and he slays almost all the people on the ship single-handedly.
01:16:08
Speaker
And him and the predator, the predator reveals himself and they're about to go one-on-one. And then someone that like had survived is, cowardly like Ned Stark from Game of Thrones spear through the foot.
01:16:24
Speaker
He stabs this pirate captain in the back, killing him before the fight could go on. And right as he's dying, he tosses the predator, his musket, and he says, take it.
01:16:37
Speaker
And the Predator grabs it and then uses his wrist blades to rip the guy's fucking body in half that did it to the Pirate Captain. And the Predator actually holds the Pirate Captain in the comic, like down on his knees, and then Predator bows and honors him.
01:16:57
Speaker
So I think that that's the same Predator that you see at the end of Predator 2. that throws the thing and he in english says take it he i don't know if his helmet records that or if his vocal cords are able to do that i think it's his vocal cords but anyway enough on the pistol i was just trying to theorize though they had to know don't think i don't think you know you think that was predator fuck up
01:17:29
Speaker
Yeah, think it definitely was a prior to fuck up there. Just like, oh, this is from your era. It's a fucking weapon, a gun, or whatever. They should have given them a plane. and They should have given them with a small craft, right? You know what I mean? We know this wasn't the weapon that you used to fucking defeat our guy, but this was the weapon, so...
01:17:46
Speaker
They have to know that only fires a single shot, though, and that it takes like two minutes to reel. okay And he's like, what's the he's like i I've never seen this before in my life, and he doesn't even know how it works. they were i initially totally like I mean, Torres could have killed both of them if they gave him like ah a standard military issue would have been a seven shot, 45 caliber pistol.
01:18:12
Speaker
So he could have just went to ursa bang, bang. All right, King, let's go. I'm done. yeah But he definitely doesn't want to fight either of them and wants them to fight forces and get out.
01:18:26
Speaker
And then the Predators release a fucking like Rancor fucking beast on them. And then then then they finally team up and take it down. We should mention they were stalling, though. The Japanese and Torres, they did not want to fight. And Ursa wanted to get back to her son in Bahala.
01:18:44
Speaker
And she had to do that because if Vikings don't die in battle, I guess if you die of old age as a Viking, you're fucked. Yeah, but I also don't think any of them knew really, like, you know, since they were playing the suspended animation. Like, she was like, I'm trying to get back to my son or whatever.
01:19:03
Speaker
She might not have known that, like, it's been fucking decades. or She may not have known, no, no. She could have easily thought it was, like, two days later something. yeah yeah She might want to go and bury her son.
01:19:18
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, but they do end up teaming up together, taking down the Rancor, then facing off against the main predator, while Tora's kind of, like, they think he, like, had died when, like, he got, like... Oh, yeah, it was another... Yeah. Tora's was in there for the calm, they asked. Yeah. mean, and he was great.
01:19:38
Speaker
Yeah, and then, ah so then he manages to, like, you know, hijack their their ship, and like start taking off but then the uh the samurai like loses an arm well wait wait wait hold on before you get to that talk about how the battle sequence concluded they slaughtered the rancor after taura says i have a plan to get us out and then the rancor eats them yeah and You know, and ah the samurai lays down his sword and says, fuck this. If you want to kill me, kill me. I'm not playing by your rules.
01:20:14
Speaker
And the Grendel King activates both bombs. And then Torres, like, pops up in that thing that they used to swipe away, the Rancor. And he's like, hey, guys, remember me? And he stops the bombs. He releases them. And then all three of them, they rush the Grendel King.
01:20:33
Speaker
yeah yeah i'm sorry let you continue no you're you're doing a great job but yeah they've rushed the grand they've rushed the grand seen it more than i have so yeah they've rushed the grendel king he's like hop on they all smile at that point Because they're all now unified in knowing that like... Even though none of them understand each other too. They all speak different languages. So it's a very like... Yeah, well, we should point out though that another funny thing, because we can't touch on everything. We're getting close to an hour and a half here. Yeah.
01:21:09
Speaker
But, um you know, there was, again, i don't give a fuck. There's so much to talk about. And there's a part where um ah before they go into the Coliseum, the Japanese guy said, you know, do you you'd defeat one of their warriors too? And Japanese and Torres goes... Oh, you're Japanese. I had to learn some of this in basic. And he starts pronouncing. He's like, my name is Torres.
01:21:37
Speaker
Torres is small fish. Torres is smart fish. And like the guy, and he's like in Japanese, he's like, oh no, you fool talks to himself.
01:21:50
Speaker
And he only finds the dead though listening and he gets back and bows down towards is like, oh okay, uh, you guys relax and you too, ma'am. I'll figure a way get us out of here. yeah like yeah I've been in the brig before. I'll get us out of here.
01:22:08
Speaker
Yeah. And that's what you kind of get the idea of. That's why Torres was the mechanic. he was obviously a troublemaker but when yeah when he gets in and he you know he's all about trying to figure out like what the fuck's going on how do we get out of here she wants to die to get to andor so she's basically like suicidal at that yeah point and you know the samurai of course wants to die with honor and Dying with honor would only mean for him to lay down his sword because he's not going to do that. He already lost his brother who he did not want to lose. and um you know so he's They're both him and Ursa, they're both grieving terribly. That's another thing that, you know, you have to understand.
01:23:01
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Both of them are in a world of pain after losing family members. So, you know, you have that great element of drama that we really didn't discuss that really added to it, you know.
01:23:13
Speaker
This was a very human thing. Even though we're dealing with sci-fi, aliens, predators, and all this crap, you understand how people would ah be overtaken by their own humanity.
01:23:28
Speaker
to do what is best and that's what they ultimately do i think that's an underlying thing that might have been missed so they all get in and they transfer them on like you know one of those i can only describe as like a sand speeder from uh star wars yeah yeah speeder bike and they go Yeah, they go up the nose of the the what we me and Doc were describing as like that prehistoric dinosaur. They ride right up his nose, right up over his forehead, and they're charging at the Grendel King. And he just pulls out like that huge axe, just like Ursa had, and he just throws it right into the... I don't know why they thought that like he wouldn't try to stop that. Yeah.
01:24:13
Speaker
Before that, how did you feel about like the actual battle against them, the way they work together? Yeah, I thought it was great. i'm just saying I just think it's hard to describe.
01:24:25
Speaker
Yeah, it's just yeah the preator I just think it's hard to describe that that fight. you like She jumps oh like this. There's like a scene where he's going at her with his sword. He looks at her and gives her a nod, and she returns the nod.
01:24:39
Speaker
And he like goes and takes and does a wicked cut on his legs. And then he comes down with his fists, and she blocks with his shield... And then he like hops over her, gets in another blow. And then remember, she then jumps up and gets on top of the back of his head. And she's just striking him with the metal. like, that's not even a shield.
01:25:05
Speaker
That's a piece of skill. Yeah.
01:25:10
Speaker
and she's just like kicking him and he's just like taking fucking swings and then there was the scene where he finally throws them both off and this is what i loved and i thought you are goingnna mention But he touches... didn't want to describe an entire battle. No, no, no. It was just something from The Simpsons.
01:25:29
Speaker
He touches himself and he looks at the blood and ah he looks at them after looking at the blood and sees them squaring away.
01:25:41
Speaker
And it reminded me of an episode of The Simpsons where Bart does something to Nelson and Nelson touches his nose and he's like...
01:25:52
Speaker
Simpson, you made me bleed my own blood.
01:25:59
Speaker
this is war. And he just charges at Bart. And like that, I don't know why that came in but he goes, ah and just starts like running at him and like knocks him both. And he grabs him both by the necks.
01:26:13
Speaker
And remember he was about to like, put the, like like his wrist blade right into his eye Like, and the samurai's like holding the blade and then he blows them off and uses the, I thought that whole sequence was just like, I know, it was hard to explain, but it was just, you know, it was at like a bond of brotherhood, like at the very end. And that comes in after, ah their harpoon, but, uh, sorry, go on. She, she, uh, you were saying, she said like, do not avenge me. Yeah. And she fucking just slides down using the fucking, uh, the leftover shield. or What she made of the shield? Yeah. i Down that fucking harpoon and fucking,
01:26:54
Speaker
you know, sacrifice herself so they can get away and shit. And then it just fucking ends with like mad ships going on the fucking a hunt to fucking go after the, the escape. yeah but Right before that, the Japanese guy comes up out. Cause she like, I guess shoves that metal in.
01:27:11
Speaker
I don't know how she would know how one of those harpoons worked. where she would know to put the metal in the cog. But
Character Fates and Narrative Themes
01:27:18
Speaker
I mean, I guess she had been around it long enough. Like you also don't know, this could have been like another battle for her.
01:27:27
Speaker
like we don't know if she had been called up before to go into these games. I think it was the first time, but like the first time yeah it looked like many of them had been there for hundreds of years.
01:27:41
Speaker
Yeah, because in the end, like it's I wouldn't say it's necessarily a post-credit scene as much, but like the end scene is going through... all the different frozen uh there's like hundreds to thousands yeah yeah the only one they've really focused on is you see the uh girl from prey you see her yeah one of them so you know her you know her fate from that yeah and made me wonder like you know are these the winners of other things or are these all going to be first timers? Because, you know, you see Ursa, she wasn't killed. She was refrozen and, you know, put back in the circulation spoiler at the very end. But just one thing I want to mention when we should spoil this whole fucking thing by describing the entire thing. This is a spoiler show. We cut through all the bullshit.
01:28:35
Speaker
We cut through all the bullshit. You can't wait till we're talking about the post-credits scene. It wasn't a post-credits. You just said it wasn't a post-credits. You can't wait until the very end to take a spoiler. Forgive me. Let me just finish my thought.
01:28:49
Speaker
After he loses his arm and you know she disables the ship and she goes out. She's talking all that shit to the Grendel King. She's like, all your hell trinkets and sorceries and my boy still got away. yeah and like There's predators holding her back.
01:29:09
Speaker
Yeah. From like trying, you know, and this is an older woman and like there's multiple prayers restraining horror from fucking him up because she wants to rip his goddamn head off. I, you know, what fucking badass characters they chose. But the samurai walks up to Torres and he says,
01:29:28
Speaker
you did it, brother. And Torres could clearly understand that Japanese and gives him a nod. And almost made me like a bit emotional, like the way they all work together, how, you know, I mean, because especially at that time, like, uh, people from different areas, they didn't have the greatest, greatest racial tolerance.
01:29:53
Speaker
Um, And you're talking about people from different centuries of that. You know and i mean? So like, this is a very unlikely scenario. You would see not only three different races that didn't get along, even by today's standards, let alone separated by centuries of time.
01:30:18
Speaker
You know what I mean? So it's just, I don't know. I thought that was like a very powerful concept. And then you were saying about how they all, this was the one other thing I just wanted to as my final thought that I did not like about this, but it was still awesome.
01:30:39
Speaker
Is that all those ships were like dead up, ready to launch immediately. Like it looked like they had only gotten about 10 seconds away before the entire armada.
01:30:55
Speaker
Like I would now, Hey, I understand that there might've been a couple pilots standing by in case something happened. Like I could see if it was like one ship and then it was file. It was, um, uh, preceded by a bunch of predators all running for their ships to like power them up and stuff.
01:31:18
Speaker
But it looked like they were on his ass, like 10 seconds behind him. I was just like, damn, that's not really fair. So if I had changed one thing, i would have had it. So he did the same thing and say, let's go hunting.
01:31:35
Speaker
And I would have showed the hordes of predators. Running to their ships, like getting in, strapping in, and then powering up. And that's how I would have ended. it I wouldn't have ended with him like in the horizon with like, I don't know, it looked like there was like at least 50 ships. Yeah. Now granted, he could have like warped the hyperspeed, but he doesn't even know how to fly the thing. Yeah, he barely just figured out how to fly it, yeah. As far as I know, he's going to be, like as soon as that scene ended, somebody launched the missile and they're already dead.
01:32:15
Speaker
No, I think they were trying to capture the recapture them. Probably. I'm just saying that was the only other thing I didn't like. And that's my thoughts on Predator Killer Killers. I loved it.
01:32:30
Speaker
What are your final observations? Oh, yeah, I loved it as well. ah I just wanted to ask you one other question was like, did ah for like a future project, do you think that like ah the other people that were like frozen in in time, do you think like there's a Danny Glover frozen in time or a Dutch?
01:32:49
Speaker
frozen in time and i don't think that if they do enough i think if they they bring those characters back it should be animated and you should not be like because the actors are way too old to bring back dan glover or schwarzenegger but you could bring them back in animated form to have them you know battle in some huge tournament as well I think that would be an interesting. you know bring back all you bring back Adrian Brody's character and all that. You can bring all them back through the animated form. But I would like to see um Amber Midthunder from Prey. I would like to see her back in live action again.
01:33:29
Speaker
um But yeah, I think it'd be cool to see all those characters kind of... I bet you would like to see her in live action. I'd like to see them
Predator Lore and Future Opportunities
01:33:38
Speaker
all ah kind of team up together in another, like, animated movie. I think that'd be cool. I've already considered this scenario. I've already talked about this with people.
01:33:46
Speaker
Um, with the Schwarzenegger, yeah. I could see that happening. Although, I mean, they did say that Dutch had been providing, ah in Predators, the one with Adrian Brody and, um, that Argentinian girl from Dark Matter as well that, um,
01:34:06
Speaker
And Fishburne. God, she's a beautiful woman. Yeah. and Yeah, Fishburne. Which you McCall. But ah in that one, she had talked about during his ah extensive debrief.
01:34:23
Speaker
And ah it seemed like... oh I mean, yeah, they could have like abducted him, I guess, later after. Yeah, they could abduct him at any point. But the thing is, is that...
01:34:34
Speaker
um He, ah I don't know, at least the way the comics made it out is he ah had a name in the comics and he was kind of not really going on his pilgrimage. He was just going on like a private safari, like to, I don't know, like test, like sort of like a vacation almost.
01:35:01
Speaker
That's what they do to celebrate and they bring back different things. So I'm not sure if it was the same scenario. um And, you know, these were young predators, like, you know, trying their worth and stuff like that.
01:35:17
Speaker
I think it's possible. I think because they would be able to track where he went and, you know, they would probably be able to track down Dutch. So I think that that's possible.
01:35:30
Speaker
Danny Glover, they already, at least at the end, they already kind of honored Danny Glover. Like yeah they were going to take him.
01:35:40
Speaker
They would have taken them right there in that ship. he was surrounded. But again, there are different tribes. So it could have been a different tribe that comes back. Exactly. That's exactly.
01:35:52
Speaker
Impredator killers are killers. It's definitely a different tribe than the one we see. Yeah. and Right. Or two. So, yeah, they, in, in the comics, they ah define three different distinct tribes.
01:36:03
Speaker
And the, the three also, um, is represented in alien verse predator. Uh, in that the three are they go in threes to prove their worth um which was in the same as ah killer killers and and in predators also in predators we see a different tribe yeah and where Larry Fishburne said always in threes they always come in threes so the Something about threes is a thing. It's either solo or in threes.
01:36:39
Speaker
So I'm not exactly I just meant different. I didn't mean like individual people. I meant like there's different tribes. I'm talking about in the number, in the way they hunt in groups. They hunt in threes.
01:36:51
Speaker
Okay, yeah, i wasn't talking about ah how they hunt. I was talking about like how they have different tribes and we see a different tribe. But there's three different tribes. The original ones, yeah yeah. There could be more than that. We've only seen a few.
01:37:05
Speaker
and In the comics, it's... I'm just going by that. I'm just going by like there's three. And I'm not saying that they're physical attributes. ah I don't know what is tribal, but like, well, no, it is because the tribes are ah divided by the blood.
01:37:24
Speaker
When they say blood feuds and stuff like that, each tribe, I don't know, their blood is somehow different. And that is what affects their growth cycle. I don't...
01:37:36
Speaker
like I don't know too much about it. I don't want to like talk out of my ass. and like yeah I just think they look different. and even in You don't even know ah that the ones we see in the earlier segments, we don't even know if they're all part of the same tribe.
01:37:51
Speaker
Or if it's just like getting back to like this one tribe that's like, oh, we're going to go collect these people that have beaten ah previous previous predators. so It was what Shane and Black attempted.
01:38:04
Speaker
ah shame black was it because apparently like one of the tribe never made a predator movie yeah i know but like i'm just saying like well you're talking about the rhythm yeah Yeah. ah I'm just saying like, um you know, like I think like what he was trying to do is like that whole, how they were trying to advance their technology and stuff like that.
01:38:27
Speaker
Like they were showing ah them doing it to like the, one of the predators was like very, like one of the tribes was like very, very like muscular and powerful and large, but they,
01:38:42
Speaker
what they lacked was intelligence. And like the smaller, weaker ones, like seem to be like the nerdier predators, I guess, that are still fierce warriors, but they were more like cunning and fought through like smarts and stuff like that. And that is what caused like blood feuds because it was almost like, almost like a political thing. Like, you know, like the Democrats, like snubbing their noses to Republicans and being snooty Or you know vice versa. I don't know. That's what I got it like from the comics. A lot of people don't read the comics and stuff like that. But I mean, I guess maybe some of it I'm trying to invent myself and my own mind in a way that makes sense. But that's just the way I took it. But no more sidebar.
01:39:33
Speaker
Yeah, it does seem like... Sorry, it does seem like they are starting to, like, pull more lore and stuff from the comics. And I'm glad they're going ah this way. And it's not just, like I said earlier, that it's not just, like, the same thing over and over again, where it's a predator hunting down somebody, and then, like, they defeat him using their smarts, and it's not that over and over again, and we're getting, like,
01:39:56
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a more expansive world. And
Upcoming Predator Films and Release Strategies
01:40:00
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it makes me look really ah forward to Predator Badlands because I think Dan Dragonberg's done now two good Predator movies. And I think this next one's going really good too.
01:40:12
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I argue that they were... Yeah, I think Prey was good. i think Killer of Killers was great. And I guess my biggest fear is... What, you know, basically you said is that my expectations might be too high to the point where, wo excuse me, if this is not like at least good, I'm going, but the thing is, is like, it might be good. And I might think it's not as good because like my expectations have been raised.
01:40:46
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So I'm hoping that like I can just go in with a clear head and I'm going to try to drop my expectations. I'm going to say like what you just said, pray was good.
01:40:58
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ah Killer killers was good to great. I'm going to go down and I'm going to say that my expectations are for this to be... At least good. ah link You know, I'm going to say, no, I'm going to say average. I'm going to say like that. My expectations are that this will be entertaining.
01:41:18
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And if it's more than that, I'll say, wow, that was really good. They're really on a roll here, but I just don't want to have real high expectations.
01:41:30
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yeah yeah I think that could only um ah merit disappointment. Yeah. Oh yeah. I completely understand that. I just hope it's good because um that way we keep getting more and more predator stuff. yeah And since this one's getting released in theaters, which they fucked up with not releasing prey, even though I understand why they didn't, but they should have, because it would have made money.
01:41:53
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And now I'm hoping they didn't just spend money on this one to release in theaters and then do bad. So it's like, yeah, I hope, I hope it's another good one. And I hope it's another great one. but It's by the same. year Yes. By the same director.
01:42:04
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but So I don't think that the, I'm assuming to be in theaters, and at least from what I read, correct me if I'm wrong, they are giving him like something like double the budget of Prey, right?
01:42:22
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I believe so, yeah. yeah I don't know. I think it was definitely more. i i what i thought it might be a little more than double for the theatrical, really. So I don't think he's the type of guy that's going to say, oh, I have more money.
01:42:37
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ah you know, I'll try to underspend. Like, I think he's going to take every dime they give him and just make his already good idea more better by getting, like, the act maybe luring the actors that he would have wanted in Prey that could he could not get, like, maybe a few more name stars. Because, like, in Prey, like, i I recognize the one girl from Banshee and Legion. Yeah. But aside from that, I think I only recognized like maybe one other actor. Yeah. I mean, that's fine. I like it. I like not knowing who's going to be. I mean, I think I know one actor. It was a good tennis. They were all great.
01:43:23
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I think I know one actor in the new one too, but yeah, I'm just not, not worried that like the story and stuff won't be good. I'm worried that like um that because it's costing them so much to put in theaters that it might not make enough money Oh, and that in the future. We need it to be good. but We need it to make money. So I'm hoping they don't spend I think it's going to make money regardless because everybody that has seen these last two pieces, I've really heard very little criticism.
01:43:55
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So, I mean, even if he doesn't produce a good project, I still think it's going to make money at least the opening week. yeah you know yeah i think Yeah, definitely all the fans of the past two will go see it. Predator fans will see it. But then there's also the general audience that hasn't seen these past two. And actually, they don't even know about Prey that I'm still seeing online. I'm like, oh, you haven't watched Prey yet? You should go watch that because that's really good.
01:44:18
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Yeah, I still think enough people have seen it. And I think that this is going to be something that's promoted on cable. So people are going to, there's going to be a lot more promotion.
01:44:30
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Yeah, I've already seen the trailers in theaters, so that's that's a good sign. So that's the other thing. Craig wasn't promoted at all, right? um I mean, it was, but just like outside Hulu.
01:44:43
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No. Yeah, I don't think not at all. Yeah, this is going to be promoted to a a national audience, maybe a global audience, depending upon where it's going to be shown.
01:44:54
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I don't know if it's only going to be shown in North America, but if it's shown globally, it's probably going to be promoted globally. So, you know, I think at the very worst case scenario, they're going to break even.
01:45:08
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I mean, that's worst case scenario, but I see them probably making ah more than triple what they put into it. I mean, like I said, it's like it's very hard to predict how movie is going to do in theaters nowadays. I say first week they more than break even.
01:45:26
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I think first week I think they break even. I'd have to look at the budget. I don't know if the first weekend they'll do it. but No, first seven days. Seven days.
01:45:38
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shown Yeah, that's my prediction. I have... I know it's ambitious, but hey, man, the last thing I'll say is I thought Prey was ambitious filmmaking.
01:45:50
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I thought fucking Killer Killers was even more ambitious filmmaking. So, um you know, i just... I think that they found a winning formula and that they're going with it well.
01:46:05
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And, ah you know, um I just can't wait for the next one. So that's pretty much my synopsis of Killer of Killers. Well, looking at reported budget right now, it was only $100 million. so And it comes out November seventh So I think they will, yeah, I think they'll definitely make their money back if not. Yeah. And there's going to be, ah and that's a great time for it to come out because ah it's right after Halloween and ah you're, you're not, it's, you know, not going and be in summer. So people are going to be staying in more watching movies as the weather gets colder.
01:46:44
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So, I mean, that's, that's a really good release date right before the Thanksgiving holiday, all that stuff. Like, so those are,
Wrap-up and Listener Appreciation
01:46:52
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uh, you know, traditionally like good, good times to air movies around the holidays. Uh, you know, and so yeah, I, I, I think that will it be a success? I don't know, but I, I think it's going to make them enough money that justifies, um, you know, ah more content to come.
01:47:15
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So at least that's my hopes. Yeah, and I was just looking at the Prey budget, and that was only $65 million. So that definitely would have made money if they really did. Well, pray would I didn't think Prey had a $65 million dollar budget.
01:47:28
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um That's a lot more. I thought Prey's budget was closer to $25 million. Now it was 65. All right. So I, yeah, I don't know if they're going have, ah well, yeah. I mean, they probably, does it have an S to five?
01:47:45
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Does it have an estimated ah budget for Badlands? Yeah. I just told you a hundred million. 100 million. Okay. so yeah So yeah, about 30, yeah. So a significant bonus based on how well the first film is. It's not like a $200 million. Yeah, it's not double. Obviously it's not double, but it's like a little over a 30% bonus. Yeah, that should make its money back.
01:48:12
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But yeah, thanks for joining me, and I know this is a long one. I always say thanks for joining me and not thanks for joining us. Alright, yeah, I don't really exist, Kevin. No, I'm telling you thanks for joining me.
01:48:24
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oh yeah, I know. Dude, I'm giving you hard time. Thank you everyone for listening. I know it was a long one, but we both love Predator, so we will talk about it for fucking an hour and a half. If anything, this was short.
01:48:39
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yeah But um yeah, I hope everybody's doing well out there and hope everybody had a great 4th of July weekend for our U.S. audience. And to everybody else, be safe out there. Have a great summer. And we'll see you again in about a week.
01:49:01
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Alright, sounds good. pace Peace.