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Kevin Dougherty: All right, welcome back to Fright Central. Back here again with Keck, and I'm Doc, and today we're goingnna talk about the Final Destination franchise, including the new one, Bloodlines. But first, I do have some news for you here, Keck.
Kevin Dougherty: i'll
Brandon: You have news for me?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, just trust for you.
Brandon: ah Specific.
Kevin Dougherty: and It's not Crystal Lake news, unfortunately.
Brandon: Unfortunately.
Kevin Dougherty: But... Quiet Place 3 is in the works with ah John Krasinski back to write and direct the sequel.
Brandon: Oh, fuck yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: It's due out in July 2027. Yeah, probably. mean, did you Origins?
Brandon: And does it promise to not explain anything and just like delve further into the abyss?
Kevin Dougherty: yeah probably
Brandon: Gotcha.
Kevin Dougherty: ah i mean did you see origins
Brandon: but Yeah, well, I remember seeing the newest one, and you had just mentioned to me the only thing you had said before, you're like, yeah, I mean, it's worth checking out, but, like, if you're looking for an explanation to anything, it really doesn't do you any favors, and I totally agree with what you had said, so.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: You know, it was just like, meh. I would say, like, aside from the original, I mean, I definitely thought that the newest one was better than the previous one before that.
Brandon: um Even though I really like Killing Murphy, um I just didn't think it was a very good movie. But, yeah, I mean, well.
Brandon: I'm pretty much indifferent. Like, I'll probably watch it, but, like, I don't have high expectations.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I mean, liked the first one, and I did like the second one definitely probably more than you did. And the...
Brandon: and I would say, yeah, definitely.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah,
Brandon: If you said you liked the second one, then, yeah, you liked it more than me.
Kevin Dougherty: and the Origins one was alright, but yeah, it definitely didn't explain anything. And it seemed like they should have just went ahead with the third one instead of going... If they're going to go back and not explain anything, then Yeah, you should have just continued, but whatever.
Brandon: I have a feeling, I don't know, maybe you have the same sense, um but I have a feeling that, like, they kind of painted themselves into a corner in terms of, like, the actual true origin story.
Kevin Dougherty: um
Brandon: um And they're just like, you know what, it would be too difficult for us to explain this. Like, we just don't have the writing staff that, like, could give us a movie within budget.
Brandon: that would like adequately explain exactly how all this went down. And I think that like because of that they're just leaving it to people's like imagination as to where to go.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, because because things seemed pretty contained at the end of Origins.
Brandon: That's my opinion.
Kevin Dougherty: So now they overran like the military and all that, and there were people just surviving.
Brandon: Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: so
Brandon: Yeah, I mean, so I think we're kind of like, we kind of concur in that respect of like where they're at, so.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, moving on. ah Hostel is getting a reboot TV series coming to Peacock. with Eli Roth coming back to write and direct.
Brandon: That's interesting you mentioned that. I guess it was, i had seen, um something like he, Eli Roth had done like a documentary about like, um i don't know, ah something like the genre or gore or something.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah, he does that he does have that doc.
Brandon: And I just got up. And it's some kind of you know what I'm talking about?
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, I forget what it's called, but each of is like yeah each episode is like a different thing like vampires and uh monsters and stuff yeah it's just cliff and like i've watched a couple episodes it's just uh slipped in my mind what that was called
Brandon: i had just gotten a pop.
Brandon: Yeah. Yeah. yeah
Brandon: Yeah, I can't – it was something – yeah, he's – I think he talks about, like, a whole, like, plethora of different things. But, like, yeah, it was about, like, gore and, yeah, all about that. So, yeah, I had just gotten, like – I think it was, like, recommended on Netflix or something like that. So – Yeah, I'm assuming that because of the new content that's going to be out soon, they're probably promoting things like that. They usually do that whenever something new is going to drop by somebody.
Brandon: They'll like ah talk up their old shit. So, yeah. Because I haven't really heard Eli Roth.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: Like, has he been regularly working on different projects? Or is he kind of is this something um that's like new for him that he hasn't done in a while?
Kevin Dougherty: Well, he just did that Thanksgiving movie. Yeah.
Brandon: Oh, that was him?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. yeah
Brandon: I didn't realize.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: Okay, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Okay, so he's been, like, regularly doing stuff. It's just nothing I've really paid attention to much.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah I mean, he also did that horrible Borderlands ah adaptation.
Brandon: Yeah, was that the series?
Kevin Dougherty: But don't know how much... No, that you're thinking of the Twisted Metal.
Brandon: Yes, yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. No, Borderlands was the you know the movie based on the game that came out last year that didn't get great reviews.
Brandon: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: No. I think I...
Kevin Dougherty: But yeah, he's been...
Brandon: I don't even think I got through it all.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, he's been steadily working. so working
Brandon: that's how he's doing stuff.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. So, but yeah, so I mean, ah would say it's not really a return to horror since he hasn't really left the genre. So, you know,
Brandon: No, no, no. I wasn't, like, inferring that, like, he was, like, going and, like, working on different stuff. I was just wondering if, um... He was like, you know, regularly working and coming up with new projects. And he obviously has been.
Brandon: I just haven't been really paying attention or I don't know. I guess I haven't seen anything that like enticed me in recent years. So um based on like stuff that he's put out.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah. ah Reportedly, ah Paul Giamatti is attached to to the series. so
Brandon: No shit.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. So.
Brandon: That's cool. Well, that, yeah, I mean, that that that sounds like it'd be something interesting. I mean, ah for me, Hostel, I was always, like, more interested in, like, the concept of, like, you know, people...
Brandon: Like, ah you know, just having it out so much that they would want to harm someone else. Like the idea of how humanity, you know, treats its own more than i was about the actual gore and the kills and all that stuff.
Brandon: Like, I was more intrigued. Because I remember when the first film came out, everybody was talking about how it's, like, based on a true story. ah It was a extremely loosely based on, like, a particular scene that, like, you know, just, like, went on. Like, I don't know.
Brandon: It was very, very loosely based on something that, like, they had discovered, like, in the past. It was nowhere, there was no club where people got like tattoos and it was like, you know, rich global elites that were torturing people to death.
Brandon: I'm pretty certain that like that wasn't true. Like they they just found like this thing, it was like similar to like human trafficking. where, you know, some people got, like, tortured to death or something like that. But, like, when the movie first came out, people were, like, saying, like, oh, my God, like, I don't want to go anywhere near Slovakia or anything. i'm like, dude, give me a fucking break.
Brandon: Like, you know.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I remember like I was traveling at the time and people be like, oh, you're going to go overseas? You're going to go to Germany?
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: You're going to be in a hostel?
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Like I was staying at a hostel too and like, yeah.
Brandon: Yeah, I mean, i'm um I'm going, I don't even know if like hostiles were like actually involved in like the actual true story to things.
Brandon: But I mean, like I said, like ah ah to my understanding, like the actual story was like very different than what he portrayed in the film.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I mean, like the hostel in the movie is just a place where like that they, you know, get, you know, foreign students to take somewhere else.
Brandon: Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Like it has nothing like none of the tortures happening at the hostel.
Brandon: Yeah, exactly.
Kevin Dougherty: It's just a breeding, just ah a hunting ground for these people. You know what I mean?
Brandon: Yeah, exactly.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yeah.
Brandon: It would be the same thing. i mean, you could have called the movie Hotel, you know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Or, you know, Campground or whatever, you know. It was just, like, a place to um find, like, ignorant tourists and, you know.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah. but But like I said, they're not like a movie called Hotel or or Campground. Like the killings are happening there. This is where they're just picking up and taking them somewhere else.
Brandon: Yeah. Exactly.
Kevin Dougherty: So yeah, a little different.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: But ah yeah, and then... ah
Brandon: Well, I meant like hotel would be like another like hunting ground for people or a campground, not necessarily where they would do the killing, but just like a place where, you know, you would hunt for tourists.
Brandon: You know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Like non-locals. And I think like kid the thing that got people like spooked in North America was that like Americans were like the most expensive to kill because like, you know, people hated Americans the most.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Brandon: So it was just like, you know, what the fuck?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, especially when you get some white brand boy or girl.
Brandon: yeah Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, there they were expensive.
Brandon: Yeah. Like the more privileged, the more expensive kill the 1%.
Kevin Dougherty: ah Yeah.
Brandon: Like, you know, the 1% wanting to kill the 1%.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah. yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah, so and moving on, let's talk about ah Final Destination.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: The franchise from came out in 2000.
Brandon: Yeah. Just got rebooted after what? It was about 14-year hiatus? yeah. 13, 14 years.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I believe so. The last one was 2011.
Brandon: And, mean, was always a big fan of this franchise.
Kevin Dougherty: two thousand eleven Yeah.
Brandon: knew it.
Brandon: and i mean ah i was always a big fan of this franchise
Kevin Dougherty: I remember we talked we were talking about a little bit about it during The Monkey.
Brandon: i never
Kevin Dougherty: and I was telling,
Brandon: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. cause Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: and, uh, cause it's very similar. Well, the monkey's very similar, but I mean, it's, you know, the whole Rube Goldberg kill situation, but it kind of gets straight to the kill with like monkey did, got straight to the kills without, you know, like doing a bunch of setup.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And it was more of about like a played as like ah a comedy than, than final destination was. And and you were like, Oh, I'll take,
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Final Destination more seriously and I was like don't it's like don't take fucking Final Destination seriously I was like I just like they just have some interesting kills and that's what I watch them for so
Brandon: I mean, that was a thing I would say that has always been present in the Final Destination franchise. Although, you know, I mean, there's certain serious, like, dramatic, heartfelt moments in certain films.
Brandon: There is always, like, with the absolute, like, you know, ridiculousness, like, elaborate, gory kills. there was always an element of comedy, I felt, that was always supposed to be present during each of the films. I mean, what do you think?
Brandon: I always thought that there was, like, something, like, ah satirical and something, like, I mean, because some of the kills are just so ridiculous, you can't help laugh.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: I think when I saw the original, people were laughing in theater, you know, at, like, how ridiculous some of the kills were, so.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. yeah
Brandon: something i always enjoyed about the franchise
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. I mean, yeah if you try to take it too seriously, you're like, I don't know what you're doing.
Brandon: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Like... like the Yeah, because there's definitely people out there that, like, you know, ah hate the the Final Destination franchise. And I feel like it's almost in the same way they hate, like, the Scream movies.
Kevin Dougherty: But the Scream movies were always, like, satire. You know i mean? They were always kind of like, making fun of, you know, older horror movies and, like, kind of taking those tropes and changing them up to fit in a new way.
Brandon: yeah
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: So, like, ah but, yeah, again, it's not something you should be, like, oh, this is a serious, like, movie I need to but like analyze and break down you mean like just just you just want 90 minutes of fun and and and death you know what i mean like
Brandon: Yeah, I didn't realize there was hatred to the Final Destination movies. I mean, I know that there is, like, hatred towards the Scream movies.
Brandon: And I'm sort of one of those people because I think, like, the Wayans' when they made all those, like, scary movie, ah like, you know, spin-offs of those, it just kind of, like, went, like, a little bit, like, crazy for me. And, like, i just...
Brandon: you know, kind of had like a stigma towards like the, whatchamacallit, the screams. But the Final Destinations, you know, I mean, I knew what their purpose was. And, you know, i I wasn't aware that like people hated those movies. But like you've experienced, like you've seen like a lot of the posts, like a lot of stuff where people are like, you know, what the fuck?
Kevin Dougherty: I don't know, like, what the fuck, but yeah, like, there's definitely people that, like, don't really enjoy the movies for what they are, you know what i mean?
Brandon: Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I was looking for the total box office for the whole franchise, but it just keeps giving me the individual ones.
Brandon: Yeah, that's that's what I see as well. I mean, I... I don't want, I mean, i don't think we have to get, like, too much into, like, all the budgets of the movie, except maybe the newest ones.
Brandon: But, I mean, what would you say, i mean, there were, let's see, in, i believe in 2000 we got the first one, and then... From 2000 to 2011, there's only been like a two to three year gap between movies. So for the first decade, we regularly got Final Destinations. There were Final Destination 1, 2, 3, 4, then 4 was called The Final Destination, and 5, well, I guess 5 was like a resurrection. don't know if it was actually. I think everyone after the first one had like some kind of subtitle.
Brandon: But I think 4, the fact that they called it The Final Destination kind of reminded me of like Friday the 13th, the final chapter.
Brandon: But like shit was still making money. So, you know, reborn with new blood.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: And so they just went from The Final Destination 4 to fuck it, two years later, Final Destination 5. And that's why I was surprised that there was like such a gap.
Brandon: But, like, still, I was, like, really happy that the franchise got a reboot. And I guess I kind of wanted to know, like, your opinion of the previous five ah movies in terms of, like, I mean, for me, it was always about the beginnings.
Brandon: And, like, the intro, like, the intro, like, you know, choreographed, like, ridiculous disaster. Because it wasn't, like, just a kill in the beginning.
Brandon: It was a massive disaster in all the movies.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah, that's how kind of they all started.
Brandon: Like, there's there's there's mass killing. Like, it's a mass casualty event, plane crashes, roller coasters. Where would you rank, well, I mean, taking the latest film, too, where would you rank, like, the films in terms of, like, their introduction mass casualty events?
Kevin Dougherty: Well, you kind of got ahead of me a little bit there, but that's right.
Brandon: Sorry. Sorry.
Kevin Dougherty: ah because I want to talk about the final destination real fast because technically
Brandon: Oh, okay. And that's Final Destination 4, correct?
Kevin Dougherty: yeah because technically that was still the final destination at the time even after five came out because remember five is secretly a prequel to one
Brandon: Oh, yeah, that's true. that That's a good point. i did not I did not think of that. It's been a while since – well, actually, a couple years ago I did rewatch all But, I mean, i don't, like, like I said, for me, it was just about the kills and the gore and the fun.
Brandon: i never really put too much stock into the movies, as we just, you know, explained.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: um but So I don't really remember too much. But that's an interesting point. So they basically made it so that Five, like, to explain the final destination being the final destination, they set Five as a prequel.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: to, I guess, really, was it the very, yeah, see, I don't even remember, I don't even remember,
Kevin Dougherty: Which you didn't know until the very end of that movie. Like the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. kid The kid that survives ends up on the plane.
Kevin Dougherty: from the first one where they're all, you know, yeah. And that's when you're like, oh shit, it was a prequel the whole time. Yeah. And, but they didn't like subtitle it like, you know, a final destination, the beginning or anything like that.
Brandon: yeah, yeah, yeah,
Kevin Dougherty: They gave it the five and then was like, yeah, but it's technically a prequel. But we're not, I think it was a clever way to like do that and kind of kept to you like not knowing what was going to like happen.
Kevin Dougherty: Tying it into the beginning.
Brandon: ah Yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I thought that that was really good, but, uh, my favorite yeah before the new one came out i rewatched the moment yeah
Brandon: No, you rewatched them all recently, right? That's what I thought. So you you have you have them pretty fresh on your mind.
Kevin Dougherty: i mean know about that fresh i mean they all kind of blend together when you watch them that was back uh
Brandon: Gotcha. Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah, true true that. um I was just curious as to like what your favorite introduction disasters were. Because I know for me, the first ah one would be my favorite of the franchise, and that was Final Destination 3 with the roller coaster.
Kevin Dougherty: So 3 was your favorite beginning one.
Brandon: I just... Yeah. Because I'm afraid of roller coasters, so...
Kevin Dougherty: I think... Yeah, yeah. I understand that. But at the same time, remember 3, it wouldn't have happened if they all if they got off because the whole thing was the guy's camera got stuck.
Kevin Dougherty: He drops his camera that he wasn't supposed to take on and that gets stuck in the in the rail and that's what causes the whole rollercoaster to crash.
Brandon: um i
Kevin Dougherty: So once they see that and he gets off... that rollercoaster is going to go through fine.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Which it didn't, though.
Brandon: No.
Kevin Dougherty: everyone It crashed again anyway. But that's the whole you-can't-escape-death thing that you know Tony Todd like gets into every movie.
Brandon: Mm-hmm.
Brandon: Yeah, I mean, like I said, I didn't take it that serious. Like, so, like, I mean, i I don't really care what caused the disaster.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: Like, I just care that there was a disaster.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it's just the only one that there's kind of a plot hole... in the beginning with one of the passengers was the reason it caused it. And if that passenger kicks off, then not, not then it doesn't happen.
Brandon: I don't.
Brandon: I guess. I mean, I don't i don't care.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: but oh my I'm sure you could dig plot holes, like, wherever. I'm sure there's a lot of holes in it, but like I said, like, I don't care. i didn't watch it for any plot. I just watched it for chaos.
Brandon: and I just watched it for chaos, disaster, and, you know, that overwhelming anxiety of people, like, running from the invisible Grim Reaper.
Kevin Dougherty: But,
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah. ah I would say the newest one with the tower might have been my favorite.
Brandon: Yeah, you know what? We talked a little bit about this before the cast, and you're right. I said Final Destination with the roller coaster. The newest one was actually my favorite disaster, followed by the ah third one.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, the followed by three. yeah I would agree with that. And then probably...
Brandon: Where would you go after that?
Kevin Dougherty: I would go to the... probably the second one with the highway crash with the log, because that's something that like sticks with you. and probably, it's probably almost one of the most memorable ones, honestly, because like you still see that in the zeitgeist today with like, when people driving on the highway, you'll see memes about people driving on like the highway. they'd be like, you never stay behind a log truck because of that movie.
Brandon: Well, I mean, I never what would stay behind the log truck before that movie.
Kevin Dougherty: When we drive them.
Brandon: Like, I never want to stay behind really any truck.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, true.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: Like, and being being behind any truck on any major roadway always kind of, like, freaks me out. um And, you know, I don't want to, like, delve into too much of a sidebar here, but, like, if I could briefly go back,
Brandon: When I was taking my driver exam at Princeton Driving School, like when I was trying to get my license, you know, people used to do driving school and shit like that.
Brandon: I don't know if that's still a thing.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: the instructor I had, I'm pretty sure was drunk.
Kevin Dougherty: We'll see.
Brandon: He was, my dad asked me if I thought he had been drinking because he was like real crazy. And he used to talk about toxic waste trucks.
Brandon: Like when he had me on the highway for the first time, when he was like, you know, do this, do passing and, you know, he was, he kept talking about toxic waste trucks and how to avoid that.
Brandon: And like, I was thinking about like how like, you know, oh, that would make me into like the toxic Avenger. If like, you was being,
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: And, you know, I didn't talk to the guy about because he was so crazed. But, yeah, I've always been, like, real worried about being behind a truck and those doors just opening and whatever the fuck is in there just comes out.
Brandon: So I'm always worried. It's not just, like, logging trucks. But, yeah, are scary.
Kevin Dougherty: i mean you could have became the daredevil as well so you got blinded by toxic waste so
Brandon: Get through that, through that.
Brandon: True that. Yeah, I would say the highway scene after the newest and the roller coaster disaster. I think the high, especially how it starts off. And I mean,
Brandon: It's great because had just watched the scene where that giant log takes out the, it goes right through the police car and you it takes off his head and you can see the head come out with the log in back of the car. I mean, it was, the special effects in all of these movies were excellent.
Kevin Dougherty: I would say less on one of the other ones that we'll get to. That's probably the towards the bottom of my list. um But my, you know, I think I got to next one's got to be the bridge collapse scene I thought was really good.
Brandon: I thought they were all awesome, but.
Kevin Dougherty: That was, um that was what, number five. That was, that was, that was the one.
Brandon: Yeah, that was, that was, that was the fifth one. Yeah, that was the 2011. So that was, that was like the latest one before we got the reboot. um Yeah, I mean, I've seen a lot of people talk about, like, the bridge scene as being, like, their number one.
Brandon: ah For me, it was the... I mean, I like the bridge scene. um I thought it was really cool. But for me, I would go to the airplane in the original because i used to, like, right around that time was when I started flying regularly. Because that was in 2000. You know, that was when I started to travel and stuff like that. So when I saw that movie and i think I flew like two days later Florida and like, I remember thinking like getting onto the plane, like I had just seen final destination and I remember thinking about that. So for me, it was the plane disaster in the original.
Brandon: that came next. That would have been like what? I think that would fall in number four for me.
Kevin Dougherty: Okay.
Brandon: Number four spot.
Kevin Dougherty: And then what was your number five then is five year highway?
Brandon: For me, my fifth would have been like just sort of a tie between the bridge scene and the NASCAR, which seemed to be like sort of at the bottom of everybody's list.
Kevin Dougherty: Right.
Brandon: I would say I do remember the NASCAR probably the least, and that was The Final Destination.
Kevin Dougherty: yes yes yes
Brandon: So that would have been in the timeline. The Final Destination and then Bloodlines would have been. all right, so in sequential order, that's how it would be.
Brandon: So The Final Destination, the fourth film That was probably my least favorite, but kind of tied with the bridge.
Brandon: don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: um
Brandon: four Four and five were just kind of tied for me.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I would say um NASCAR would be after a Bridge for me. and Mainly because I think the CGI is the is the what is the worst in it.
Brandon: Yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: But it is ah it is like a longer sequence. And that's the only reason I have one down at the bottom is because it's ah it's a very quick, short sequence where everybody kind of dies and not really that spectacular of a way, you know what i mean, compared compared to all the other ones.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: like people Most people just you know get sucked out the airplane. like
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: there's not like There's not a whole lot of... Or you know catch fire and shit. There's not a whole lot of like extra like ridiculous things that happen to people on the plane. So that's the only reason I would put that out the bottom.
Brandon: Yeah, true that. And with the NASCAR one, I guess I feel like the NASCAR one would have been the most easy to escape.
Brandon: Because, like, for example, in the skybox, you're at heights. There's nothing you can do. There's no escaping there. ah In the plane, obviously, there's no escaping.
Brandon: On the roller coaster, you're at the mercy of that kinetic energy.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: There was a,
Brandon: And then on the interstate even, like, you're in a car, you're in a pileup, you can't stop it. Like, it seems like the NASCAR, there was, like, the greatest chance for you to, like, get the fuck out of Dodge.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah. youd be Yeah. Especially if you're on the opposite side of the stadium that, that didn't get, but yeah, but that even the stadium comes down as well, but I was going to say there was a, uh,
Brandon: You know what I mean? Yeah, Exactly.
Kevin Dougherty: It wasn't a roller coaster, but there was like a, it kind of one of those fair rides that like swing back and forth, but it's like a full like circle thing. And it went back and forth.
Brandon: Yeah, yeah, I think I know what you're talking about.
Kevin Dougherty: There was one of those that broke and and like snapped in half in Dubai. And like, and luckily it was like, it like snapped in half and then hit a bar and then came down.
Brandon: Oh, shit.
Kevin Dougherty: But luckily everybody landed like, you know, seat up. So like the whole thing landed like instead of like upside down, which would have been awful. Some people were critically injured, but I don't know if anybody died from it.
Kevin Dougherty: I think it was just an injury.
Brandon: is there Is there footage of that?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, that's how I saw it.
Brandon: Oh, shit.
Kevin Dougherty: There was footage of it, yeah.
Brandon: Yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I think it was in Dubai, and it was like, yeah, it was kind of like one of those, I don't know if it was like a permanent place where they have it or if it was one of those fairground rides. but that's Yeah, it's one of the reasons I don't go to like fairground, you know.
Brandon: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: I love going to theme parks, but it's got to be,
Brandon: I love fairs. Wait, you – wait, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. You're telling me that you intentionally avoid going to fairs.
Brandon: Because you're like afraid that death might be after you in like a Final Destination way?
Kevin Dougherty: No,
Kevin Dougherty: but ter No, I just don't go on the rides ah at fairs. You know, the one like the big ones.
Brandon: Because you think death is after you. I kind of agree with that. I could see death coming after you.
Kevin Dougherty: because those rides aren't permanent.
Brandon: ah
Kevin Dougherty: So they're like they're barely held on the ground. And there you know there the maintenance isn't kept up as well.
Brandon: the ride isn't permanent.
Kevin Dougherty: Compared to like, well, compared to theme parks, those rides are permanently there. You know i mean? They can maintain them.
Brandon: What about these, like, ah party freak-offs you go out to in the middle of the desert? Like, there's not, like, crazy, like, crap that could happen there where, like, I don't know, like, electrical towers could fall, generators could freak out, like, you know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: They don't have
Brandon: Like, people could flip and like, you know, you could have like a, a cyberpunk style shootout in the middle of the desert. Like what? No.
Brandon: but
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, yeah, but they don't have fair rides there that are going to break apart.
Brandon: Sure. Yeah. With that, with that permanent, right.
Kevin Dougherty: what I'm saying. Fairs don't have permanent rides. They have traveling rides that they can't set into the ground, and theme parks do.
Brandon: True that.
Brandon: I'm busting your balls.
Kevin Dougherty: That's what I'm saying.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: That's why I don't go on those.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And I love, like, you know me, I love going to fucking Six Flags.
Brandon: Oh, yeah. You were always pumped.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: You've tried to get me to go all the time.
Kevin Dougherty: I still have season tickets.
Brandon: And my uncle at one point in New Jersey was ah the president of marketing for Six Flags.
Kevin Dougherty: That's right, yeah.
Brandon: I think he was president I believe he was the project president of marketing for Northeast Regional. So he had given me like free passes for myself and all of my friends.
Brandon: I never went once. My friends went.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: But I never went and I always like um would basically invent like an illness or something else I had to do. The truth was is that like I was a scared a little bitch of the roller coasters.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: And because of that, I never went because, you know, Final Destination 3, death is after me.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: butla and so how would you rank all the movies now because I would rank them differently than I would rank the like they opening kills and I feel like that's a little bit harder to rank for me
Brandon: Ooh.
Brandon: Yeah, me too. Yeah, me too.
Brandon: Yeah. Well, what's interesting is, is you said the bridge was your least favorite. And I said, you know, that was kind of tied.
Kevin Dougherty: now the bridge no
Brandon: are no, excuse me, the NASCAR. Excuse me, the NASCAR.
Kevin Dougherty: No, the airplane was my least favorite. NASCAR was one of above.
Brandon: Oh, the airplane was, oh, NASCAR was one above.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Okay.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Well, What's interesting, though, is I actually thought that the NASCAR, what happened after the NASCAR, how, like, um I remember, I guess with the NASCAR thing, I felt that there was a lot more character development.
Brandon: In terms of the amount of victims there were, because I remember like them all trying to get together. like the The main character like went to all the other people, and you know after they realized that his premonition had come true...
Brandon: Like, I felt like there was more character development among the large chain of victims. And I actually thought that um that particular film was probably one of the better acted.
Brandon: So I would actually rate the Final Destination 4 with ah one one of my favorites in terms of, like, the acting and character development.
Brandon: ah Probably followed by the original, I think.
Kevin Dougherty: Okay. Yeah, I would go
Brandon: So those would have been, like, my top. And then with the third, i mean, I really like the third one, too, because... Aside from the initial disaster scene, there were a lot of really, really cool kills in that one.
Brandon: So, yeah, I mean...
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I would say the third one was probably my favorite.
Brandon: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: and And then, oh, man, I would have...
Brandon: I'm trying to think of what my favorite of the movies would be total. And yeah, I think the third one would have been my favorite. I was just, like, giving an example, like,
Brandon: I would say, like, the NASCAR might have been, like, my least favorite of, like, the disasters. But, like, it was actually higher up in terms of, like, the overall quality of the movie.
Kevin Dougherty: Okay.
Brandon: If that makes any sense.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Brandon: I don't know if I'm talking gibberish.
Kevin Dougherty: No, no, no. That makes sense.
Brandon: So, I think that's kind of interesting.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, because that's what I'm saying, is my ah order for what movies are better is going to be different than my list order for the opening kills.
Brandon: Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: That's kind of an interesting dynamic.
Kevin Dougherty: and Yeah, and ah i because, you know, sometimes the opening of a movie is better than the rest of the movie, so like
Brandon: Absolutely. Yeah. ah Yeah. Fuck yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I would ah id probably rank bloodlines towards the bottom, um
Brandon: I agree.
Kevin Dougherty: even though it had a fantastic opening. And there's some good kills in it, but yeah.
Brandon: In fact... I think i rank Bloodlines in terms of movie. I rank it last.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. And I still enjoyed it, like don't get me wrong. like
Brandon: no
Kevin Dougherty: But ah then let's see. Man, I would have go...
Brandon: But wait just one second. So just for the record, both of us put Bloodlines, the Skybox disaster, as our number one.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: in terms of introduction disasters, yet both of us say that Bloodline is probably the weakest in terms of, like, the film quality.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I'd say so.
Brandon: that That's kind of fucking interesting to me.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah, so for me, it would probably go three, then I'm thinking five one, three,
Kevin Dougherty: two 4? Bloodlines?
Brandon: ah Hold on. So it's for you, three was your favorite.
Kevin Dougherty: That makes sense.
Kevin Dougherty: The one with the rollercoaster would be my favorite.
Brandon: And then what comes after that?
Kevin Dougherty: And the No, 5 was the bridge opening.
Brandon: You said five comes after that? The NASCAR?
Brandon: Five was the bridge opening.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Because i think I really like the ending of that tying it back into the first one. And I think it had a lot of like ramped up ah you know kills in that one.
Brandon: Yeah, I would say 3 was my favorite in terms of, like, the overall movie, too. And then, 3
Kevin Dougherty: was the final destination.
Brandon: was, like, my I thought the final destination, i was saying, like, in contrast, like, the NASCAR scene was probably my least favorite of, like, the openings.
Kevin Dougherty: oh Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Okay, then rank your're rank your...
Brandon: Although, I don't know. I don't know. I think the bridge might have been my least favorite of the openings, and I know you really liked it. I think, don't know, I feel like the NASCAR one like, I think because it was probably right under, for me, in terms of movie-wise, i think it goes three, one four, two,
Kevin Dougherty: There's no wrong answers.
Brandon: then who And then my least favorite was the most recent movie.
Kevin Dougherty: And five was right above that. That's what you're saying.
Brandon: Yeah, well, five five would have been, ah so it would go three, then five, then one.
Brandon: Then, wait, hold on. Five was not the NASCAR one? Fuck, yeah, there's a lot of shit to cover.
Kevin Dougherty: no one
Brandon: I'm getting confused here.
Kevin Dougherty: That was the fourth one.
Brandon: So, hold on. Five was the five was NASCAR one or five was the bridge one?
Kevin Dougherty: 5 was the bridge, 1, 4 was NASCAR.
Brandon: Okay, so this is my order.
Kevin Dougherty: It confuses because they call it the final destination, but it's the fourth one.
Brandon: Yeah, exactly.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: exactly so
Kevin Dougherty: You're
Brandon: to Well, here, I'll list it both ways. So in terms of the desks, in terms of intros, for me it was it goes six, then three, because, know, Skybox, you have the roller coaster, then two is the highway, then one is the airplane, and then if I had to go...
Kevin Dougherty: ah it' just going to make it confusing.
Kevin Dougherty: Yes.
Brandon: with Bridge or the the NASCAR just slightly ekes out over the Bridge disaster.
Brandon: Even though I have a feeling if I rewatch them both, I might like the Bridge more just to like complicate this discussion a little bit ah further than it is.
Kevin Dougherty: but There's really no wrong... listen Listen, there's really no wrong answer because they're all...
Brandon: There is no, yeah, there's no wrong answer, but that's where I would go. So would be six Skybox, three roller coaster, two highway, one airplane.
Kevin Dougherty: but
Brandon: Then it would be ah
Brandon: five NASCAR and then four NASCAR, five bridge.
Kevin Dougherty: No four NASCAR or reviews.
Kevin Dougherty: You
Brandon: And then in terms of the movies that I liked in terms of movie quality, I think it would go three roller coaster.
Brandon: Then it would go Then would airplane, then two highway. ah one airplane then two highway And then five bridge. Oh, wait. No, fuck me.
Brandon: I have it all wrong. It would go, hold up. It would go three roller coaster, five bridge, one airplane, two highway.
Brandon: Fuck, I fucked it up again. I totally can't do it.
Kevin Dougherty: Anyway, moving on.
Brandon: I don't have to get the ability do it. I have to write it down. I'm getting too confused upon everything. Motherfucking fuck me. Fuck you, Final Destination. You made too many goddamn movies.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. ah And the correct way to watch them chronologically would be five, one, two, three, four bloodlines.
Brandon: They really make it kind of confusing.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. And so let's move on to Bloodlines now.
Kevin Dougherty: Alright, you ready for that? ah So you can stop confusing yourself over which order you like, because again, there's no wrong answer.
Kevin Dougherty: So, uh, Cloud Destination 6, we're all on Bloodlines. Yes. Ha ha. As we confuse ourselves even more.
Kevin Dougherty: So Bloodlines had a production budget of $50 million. And it made $286 million. So obviously it made its money back plus. So Final Destination 7 is in the works with the co-writer of Bloodlines.
Kevin Dougherty: So they are making another one.
Brandon: yeah Yeah, I'll keep watching them until I'm just trying to, like, organize, like,
Kevin Dougherty: Obviously. Because yes. the Overall the franchise has made $983 million. dollars So yeah. They're going to keep making these. And I'm happy. I'll keep watching these. So...
Kevin Dougherty: ah
Kevin Dougherty: but You're still trying to organize the rest?
Brandon: i'm still obsessed with the fact that i can't seem to get them all right
Kevin Dougherty: There's no...
Brandon: so
Kevin Dougherty: Again, there's no right answer. Yeah.
Brandon: no there is a right answer to me so going back in time it would be
Kevin Dougherty: you
Brandon: in quality of movies it would be final destination three And then i think the best after that would be Final Destination 5.
Brandon: five And after Final Destination 5, I think the original. And then, oh wait, fuck it, because 4 was the NASCAR one. Yeah, I'm fucked again.
Brandon: I can't get it. i don't I do not have the mental capacity. to be able to properly list these in order. So take what you will.
Kevin Dougherty: I'm probably sure you did once during this episode in a correct order.
Brandon: Well, the issue is i keep mistaking the um one that you told me was a prequel.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: The issue is is that four and five i keep confusing because five was the bridge.
Kevin Dougherty: Five is the bridge and it's the prequel.
Brandon: And I constantly think of I being four and four being five.
Kevin Dougherty: Four is the final destination. Yeah.
Brandon: I keep mixing them up to like such a frustrating degree that it's like driving me absolutely insane.
Kevin Dougherty: That's all right. Well, can we talk about ah but bloodlines now or are you going to keep obsessing it over that?
Brandon: I'm going to keep obsessing in my head, which is probably going to distract me from the conversation. but the yeah, we definitely should talk about the newest one. I thought this one was by far the weakest in acting.
Brandon: The story I didn't like, I couldn't care less about really. I did not think this was a good movie at all.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I didn't mind the ah story where it's this college student wakes up from a nightmare, but instead of this time it being you know ah something that's about to happen, it's something that had happened previously in her hometown back in 1969, and that was the tower collapsing.
Kevin Dougherty: And it was actually like her grandmother, that i believe, or a great-grandmother or something like that.
Brandon: Yeah, I thought this story was dreadful.
Kevin Dougherty: And, yeah, and ah it was her seeing that accident happen and being able to get out with her and her husband. But then i she had found a way to, like, you know, cheat death from coming after her. I mean, it made her go kind of insane.
Kevin Dougherty: But ah since they had escaped the death, she had...
Brandon: Wait, hold on.
Kevin Dougherty: Hold on, let me continue. Hold on.
Brandon: Okay. All right.
Kevin Dougherty: uh since she escaped the death she had kids and those kids weren't supposed to ever exist because she was supposed to die in the original disaster and that's what and that's what it follows is the is death you know killing people through their warmline system stuff
Brandon: And here we who is, who is Shay was gonna be my question to you.
Kevin Dougherty: who is who what you mean who is she
Brandon: Shay. You said Shay survived death. we're talking about like the, uh, introductory character in the disaster where she comes out as an old woman.
Brandon: And don't see the, this story was just so fucking silly.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Like I really thought the plot to this one was just really fucking dreadful. And like, it was just, yeah, don't know.
Brandon: I really did not like this movie. I, I didn't really like, I mean, I liked the intro disaster was my favorite of the entire franchise.
Brandon: Aside from that, like there just was nothing in this movie I enjoyed.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, well I mean, maybe yeah maybe the part where she gets like thrown into the trash compactor in the trash truck is the one that sticks out the most to me.
Brandon: that That was my problem. I was hoping for a good reboot.
Brandon: just like, whatever.
Kevin Dougherty: But then like I think my um one of the most ridiculous things about the movie was this, ah you know, she had created this safe house in a deserted area, but then like she around like she was able to like kind of see where death was like kind of looking at her from like a couple like minutes or maybe even further into the future.
Kevin Dougherty: And so she kind of, you know, created this house where she could protect herself against it. And she would kind of see that she could see the signs of death about to happen.
Brandon: Yeah,
Kevin Dougherty: But like the house that she created was Phil, it was a fucking death trap. Like everything about that house could get her fucking killed.
Brandon: yeah yeah yeah the cabin the cabin that she, the that
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: like it was like the most unsafe fucking house that you could even fucking create and i just that's ah that was my major thing that i wanted to point out was like how unsafe that house was and yet she was like oh like i'm gonna stop the house from burning down it's like you've made the rickety-ish shadiest fucking house and then you surround it yourself with fucking every possible thing that could fucking kill you like
Brandon: With a gas stove inside. And yeah, um and just to be clear, ah she is like the grandmother. Like she, that the she we're talking about is the introductory character who's ah has the premonition.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. yeah
Brandon: Everybody, you know, in every Final Destination movie, there's one character that has like the premonition of the disaster that's going to happen.
Brandon: I guess, I mean, ah Here at Fright Central, we expect that like you know you know something about the movie that we're going to discuss or the series or the series of movies.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: So, I mean, ah we assume that you already know this. But just to be clear, the she we're talking about is the character that is like the grandmother or great-grandmother.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, no.
Brandon: No, it's is the grandmothers.
Kevin Dougherty: i was the The she I was talking about was the college student. She's the one that has the premonition.
Brandon: Oh, no okay. See, I was confused as to the she, like, I didn't know what she meant.
Kevin Dougherty: Okay, yeah, because the movie opens up with that disaster, ah But the person that wakes up is the, is the, I mean, she, yes, the grandmother ah notices the disaster about to happen and, and she escapes and she goes on to have kids, but that's not, yes, but ah she doesn't like wake up from a dream necessarily.
Brandon: Yes, she has the premonition, so, and she's the first one that dies. Okay.
Kevin Dougherty: She does see it and she does prevent it and she gets out. But then the the movie, when the movie actually opens up, it's like, it's, you know, 2024 whatever. And the girl who wakes up as the college student, she's having a premonition about that disaster.
Kevin Dougherty: So she didn't just see the disaster.
Brandon: Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, she the she didn't just see the disaster.
Brandon: Good point.
Kevin Dougherty: She saw her mother see the disaster that she escaped. So she almost sees two premonitions. Oh, well, I mean, it's not one she could have stopped.
Brandon: Well, it wasn't her mother. it was her grandma.
Kevin Dougherty: Her grandmother. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, her grandmother.
Brandon: So there was a double premonition in the final movie, which is unique to the franchise, because I don't think that there's been a double premonition in any of the other films.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I think one of the other ones, one person can kind of see them. She's drawn in the notebook. was I think that was the rollercoaster one. And so she's kind of seeing each death after the rollercoaster.
Brandon: Well, that's how all of them see it.
Kevin Dougherty: I believe she's...
Brandon: Like that they all kind of see like, you know, they all track it back.
Kevin Dougherty: Do they?
Brandon: They're like, this person is going to be next.
Kevin Dougherty: and No, they know.
Brandon: And this person, the chain of the chain of deaths.
Kevin Dougherty: I'm not saying who's going to be next, but...
Brandon: They break down that in every single movie.
Kevin Dougherty: But yeah, but the in the third one, I believe she was drawn in a notebook how that person was going to die too.
Brandon: They break down who is going to be next.
Kevin Dougherty: And I think all the other times it's just it was just the order of who's next. And I feel like there was at least one or two of them that was like...
Brandon: Yeah, but how everyone dies after they cheat death is unique. Like, they don't know exactly how it's going to kill you.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, it was maybe... Oh, I think it was the...
Brandon: It's just that it's going to kill you.
Kevin Dougherty: It might have been the camera with the pictures. was giving them hints and clues to who to how were they were going to die.
Brandon: Oh, I don't remember anything like that.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: I don't remember there being specific clues... she was just constantly saying, like, avoid the soccer ball, avoid the garbage truck, avoid this, avoid that, avoid this.
Brandon: Like, she started, like, going freaking, yeah, the latest one.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, that's a new one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm talking about some of the previous ones. But...
Brandon: Oh, I don't remember that happening in any of the previous ones, where they, like, tried predict how you were going to die, like,
Kevin Dougherty: I'll tell about previous one.
Kevin Dougherty: No, they weren't trying to predict it, but she was getting like either either the pictures or or drawings of like of how that person was going to die. And they were trying to like figure out how it was, but like they always got it wrong or something like, oh, this person is going to die this way and it happens a different way or whatever. But but that thing is also in the picture is what I remember. But anyway, back to the bloodlines. Yes, she does have that um dream of her grandmother having the premonition and then the actual disaster happening.
Kevin Dougherty: ah but then yeah, like when she gets the notebook from her grandmother, her grandmother kind of teaches her how to spot the things that could kill you. And like the signs for it's not necessarily a premonition, but it's like, Oh, like that, that soccer ball could hit that tree and and bounce into the thing. Like it was just about all the ridiculous things that could happen. Like as you're walking down the street,
Kevin Dougherty: and
Brandon: Yeah, it was just everything.
Kevin Dougherty: and Everything, yeah.
Brandon: She was just freaked out. Her ideas were all over the place.
Kevin Dougherty: But it'd be like the wind would blow a certain way and you would get this ah feeling and then like that would be the the death coming after you or whatever, yeah.
Brandon: But that happens in every single movie. Like, they try to, you know, their parent, like the person that realizes death is coming after That was a formula that's been repeated in every single film.
Brandon: They always like think, like oh, you know watch out for this.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, again, I'm not talking about the... Yeah.
Brandon: what Like Allie Larder's character locks herself. like you know Allie Larder actually, um i guess this was in Final Destination 2, she does the most logical thing where she could actually survive the longest was basically putting herself in a psychiatric facility.
Brandon: And I think it was the second film.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Because the second film was like a direct sequel to the first film. And so she puts herself in a padded room in a straitjacket.
Brandon: Rather than the ah fucking shack of death that the grandmother puts herself noose room.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just meant, like, I didn't mean, like, ah like yeah, the the once the person has the premonition, she's like, oh, ah we're gonna we know who's going to die next. I'm saying that, like, she the the grandmother had figured out a way to, like, kind of look for the signs as you're, like, even like even if you don't have, this because she technically never had a premonition.
Kevin Dougherty: She had, a you know, a past memory.
Brandon: The grandmother you mean?
Kevin Dougherty: No, the kid.
Brandon: Okay, you're switching back
Kevin Dougherty: The kid had a Yeah, I'm saying the kid never the college student never had it she never had a ah premonition of something that was going to happen. She only had the premonition of what happened in the past.
Kevin Dougherty: Past disaster. she Like everyone else has a future premonition.
Brandon: Yeah. Yeah. This was unique in that respect that she yeah she had a premonition about a premonition.
Kevin Dougherty: So she doesn't... so lifting Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, so she's trying to figure out
Brandon: They never did that in anything any of the other movies.
Kevin Dougherty: she's trying to figure out ah who dies next in the bloodline of like each person that had survived that original uh accident and it links to the other movies and them all dying yeah and yeah okay and and the grandmother and figured out a way to like you know look for the signs for a death coming after them and nobody else does that and im and in any other movies either
Brandon: Yeah.
Brandon: Yeah, because they do that in every other movie. Yeah, I get that.
Brandon: Except for Allie Wartor, who realizes that she's fucked either way.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, she really...
Brandon: She sees all these signs, and she knows that the only way she can, like, save herself is to lock herself in the mental hospital because when she was out in the world everything was coming out or she realized that everything was a sign that that's what she talks about in the second film she's like I realized that there's a zero-sum game out there everything I did everything I touched You know, like in the original film when he goes and locks himself in a cabin death that's very reminiscent of the cabin that um and that the grandmother is locked in in the newest film.
Brandon: He goes and locks himself in like a secluded shack in the middle of nowhere. And if you remember at one point, like he has an encounter with a fish hook and he's like, ooh, tetanus.
Brandon: Almost forgot about this one. And that's kind of like what Allie Larder talks about in the second film. And she's like, I realized that death was just constantly always around me.
Brandon: And this was the only way I was going to be able to do it. She basically said everything was a sign. Like every moment that she was out there, anything that like her stepping on a twig could make her slip and break.
Brandon: You know what I mean? That's what she tells the group because they go to find her. And they're like, oh, shit. Like, one person did survive and she's in this mental hospital.
Brandon: And that's what she basically describes to them. So, I mean, that's just the way i took it. But, like, I don't I just – the story in this movie just didn't entice me.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh yeah, well yeah, I just, I completely agree with you. man um'm just Maybe not explaining my point very well, but whatever. Yeah.
Brandon: No, i hear I hear totally what you're saying. like i
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Brandon: But I mean, I guess i what I'm saying is like everything that happened in this movie I felt has been done before.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh yeah, well, that's, I mean, that's kind whole thing, is it's gonna keep happening, but I mean, the biggest difference is that the
Brandon: That was the point I was trying
Kevin Dougherty: the younger girl did not have a premonition of of what was going to happen is is is the big thing in this one. She only had that flashback. She never had the premonition of a big disaster.
Kevin Dougherty: So the whole time she's trying to figure out who's dying next in the timeline of who survived from the original is what I'm saying. That's the biggest difference between that and all the other ones.
Brandon: Yeah, she has a premonition of a premonition.
Kevin Dougherty: You know what I'm saying? Well, she has a flash she has a ah flashback really of that permonition premonition because a premonition is something happens in the future something that's gonna happen she doesn't have a premonition
Brandon: Mm-hmm.
Brandon: So, you're saying, like, that the big difference in this film that sets it aside from the other films is that she has a premonition of the past. And she has a premonition of a premonition that happened in the past rather than a premonition that happens in the future.
Brandon: ah
Kevin Dougherty: but
Brandon: I guess I'm just not following. I'm not picking up what you're putting down.
Kevin Dougherty: ah
Brandon: i guess I don't understand.
Kevin Dougherty: um a premonition is something that happens in the future that's going to happen you can't have a premonition of past yes yes
Brandon: Yes, I understand the definition of point.
Brandon: What I mean is, is she has a flashback to her grandmother having a premonition.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yes
Brandon: And she is basically then having,
Brandon: based on the flashback, God, it's just such a bad story. Based on her grandmother's premonitions, She then develops like her own idea of, I don't know, fuck it.
Kevin Dougherty: No, because then she start then she figures out that like that the people that had survived that, that were supposed to die, that she saw in her grandmother's premonition, have gone on to live lives and have children and their branches have broken off, and but then she finds her grandmother's notebook of her tracking all of that and linking every single person to being killed.
Kevin Dougherty: And like how they've ah how death has caught up with all of them, so she kind of you know hides in the uh in the thing and the granddaughters figured out who's dying in their family next before it gets to her and how she can stop it but the her parents her her parents don't want her to talk to the grandmother because your grandmother's insane like you don't worry about it but then sure enough everybody starts dying in the family
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: so let's
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: The story made sense. It's just not that great of a story, but it is a big difference than what happens in all the previous stories is what I'm getting at.
Brandon: Yeah. um Yeah, I agree with that. It's definitely different than what happens in all the previous stories. I just was, like, hoping that the movie would be, like, good.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Like, I just thought, like, that...
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: The deaths weren't as memorable to me besides the opening one.
Brandon: I guess...
Brandon: Other than the intro, like the movie was just shit.
Kevin Dougherty: And then I remember like, Yeah, I remember the garbage truck one, and then like, oh, maybe the ah one that you see in the trailers with the the ice, where he breaks the glass in the ice, and then he's like on the trampoline, and then all this other, that the whole the one in the backyard barbecue one is the only i one the other one I remember, even somewhat, because of the because it's in the trailers.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: I remember the death where Other than that, I remember the death, like, um I guess my favorite was the death with the, um i don't know what the fuck you call it, the CT scan thing where the guy gets sucked into it.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah.
Brandon: I like that. Otherwise, um i just didn't like anything else.
Kevin Dougherty: they did They did do that one. I did see behind-the-scenes one where they were doing that practically as well. You know, as much as possible before they added the obvious CGI.
Brandon: Oh, really?
Kevin Dougherty: am But like the guy was like tied up to it, and they had him there and everything.
Brandon: thank Yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And then like you know obviously did effects over top of that. But yeah, I thought that was a really interesting one as well. I almost forgot about that one. Which actually happened to somebody in real life because they didn't, you know, take shit out of their pockets or whatever.
Kevin Dougherty: And they got fucking sucked in to a fucking machine and died.
Brandon: I've never heard that happening.
Kevin Dougherty: ah came out after the movie. I'll have to send you the link to that.
Brandon: Where it happened like genuinely like that, like where they get like ripped apart and stuff like that, or they just get in the machine and have an accident while they're in the machine because they didn't remove their like jewelry or whatever.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, not exactly like that, but.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, let's see. It was in...
Kevin Dougherty: yeah after a weight training chain that he had around his neck, he was like sucked into the into the device.
Brandon: Oh, he was not in the device and it pulled him in.
Kevin Dougherty: He was not in it. His wife was in the and um MRI machine to scan her knee in a clinic.
Brandon: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: died after the after the device forcibly pulled him in.
Brandon: Wow. but And where did this happen?
Kevin Dougherty: In Long Island? In New York?
Brandon: So he his wife was in the machine, and he's just in the room, and it just pulled him in and killed him.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, because like he was like... ah they were like she he She called him in to like help him help her get up from the table. And you know i guess like
Brandon: Man, that's a massive fucking lawsuit there because...
Kevin Dougherty: it it was like a 20-pound chain that he was like wearing. And he was like sucked into it by the by magnetic force.
Brandon: He should have been allowed in that room.
Kevin Dougherty: No, he shouldn't have been.
Brandon: That's probably like a massive lawsuit. Like, I would think so. that's I never heard anything about that. like So he gets like sucked in and crushed and ripped.
Brandon: Did she die, too?
Kevin Dougherty: No, she ah she's still alive. But ah yeah, I don't know.
Brandon: So she was like in there fine and like he got like sucked in and like ripped up in there and she was ah like, he was getting like got suck and there turned into like, like he was like liquefied.
Kevin Dougherty: Like, they don't have video, so it's...
Kevin Dougherty: It said he got pulled into the machine and then he was like, you know, stuck... You know, because the the chain was like stuck to the machine for an hour before they can release the chain from the machine.
Brandon: And he had a 20 pound chain that he was like holding?
Kevin Dougherty: so
Kevin Dougherty: He was wearing around his neck.
Brandon: or like.
Brandon: He's wearing a 20 pound. Oh. Alright. So it's like a Jesus piece or something.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Okay.
Kevin Dougherty: It was like, it was a King Tut piece.
Brandon: The King Tut piece. ah
Kevin Dougherty: I'll send you the articles. You can look at it after we get off the air. But, uh, oops. uh yeah so yeah that happened um uh that happened shortly after the movie came out so uh anyway uh moving on uh that's all i really have with the final destination movies i mean we we can't really get into every kill because they're all fucking too intricate yeah
Brandon: No, there's so ah there's a lot of good ones. um But like I said, I mean, i just thought that the newest movie was shit except for the intro. like If I was going to watch this movie again, if was going to recommend you watching it,
Brandon: which I wouldn't, I would just recommend like watching the intro and then turning it off.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. unless you
Brandon: that's That's what I would do.
Kevin Dougherty: um unless you're doing Unless you're doing a marathon and you want to watch all of them before 7 comes out in what, like probably two years?
Brandon: i
Brandon: yeah Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Brandon: Two or three years would be like... it Well, I mean, it was like 13, 14 years between like the fifth and sixth one, so all we know...
Brandon: like You know, there may not be another one. There could be, like, another decade before.
Kevin Dougherty: I...
Brandon: Unless you have, like, knowledge that, like, the next one is already in the mix.
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, I guess you weren't listening to me earlier when I mentioned that they're already writing the seven coming out with the same with one of the same writers from bloodline.
Brandon: I did not hear you. No.
Brandon: No, I didn't realize that at all.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: Um, so there, there, there's a new one that's like already in the works and, uh, yeah, ah hopefully the newest one.
Kevin Dougherty: So it's probably only a bean. It's already right. Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon: I mean, like, like I said, you know, I don't watch these for stories, but like, I was just hoping for like something like somewhat decent, but, uh, like after the intro, like,
Brandon: none of the kills were really memorable except for like the MRI machine for me. Like, you know, that sequence was cool. And like, you know, the thing going through the guy's head and everything like aside from like that, like one sequence, like the movie was just not memorable to me.
Brandon: I didn't think that the acting was like of like very good quality or caliber. I didn't like the cast. Um, yeah. Uh, So for me, like, I would just watch, like, the introduction, enjoy it and then turn the movie off.
Brandon: I just don't think it was worth it. Even if you are doing a marathon, like, I just thought that the movie was really, really bad after the introduction.
Kevin Dougherty: I think they're all about roughly the same quality, honestly, but whatever.
Brandon: No.
Kevin Dougherty: ah But again, yeah, you only watch it for the kills, but yeah.
Brandon: Yeah, true that.
Kevin Dougherty: Anything else?
Brandon: No, I mean, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: All right. Well then, thanks for joining me. ah Thanks for listening to everybody. ah Follow us on social media, on the Facebook group, and we'll see you next time, or you'll hear us next time anyway.
Kevin Dougherty: Peace.
