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Final Destintions
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We attempt to rank the Final Destintion movies and we discuss the newest entry to the Franchise, Bloodlines
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Introduction to Fright Central and today's topics
Upcoming films: Quiet Place 3 and expectations
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Kevin Dougherty
All right, welcome back to Fright Central. Back here again with Keck, and I'm Doc, and today we're goingnna talk about the Final Destination franchise, including the new one, Bloodlines. But first, I do have some news for you here, Keck.
00:00:36
Kevin Dougherty
i'll
00:00:36
Brandon
You have news for me?
00:00:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, just trust for you.
00:00:40
Brandon
ah Specific.
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Kevin Dougherty
and It's not Crystal Lake news, unfortunately.
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Brandon
Unfortunately.
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Kevin Dougherty
But... Quiet Place 3 is in the works with ah John Krasinski back to write and direct the sequel.
00:00:50
Brandon
Oh, fuck yeah.
00:00:54
Kevin Dougherty
It's due out in July 2027. Yeah, probably. mean, did you Origins?
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Brandon
And does it promise to not explain anything and just like delve further into the abyss?
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah probably
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Brandon
Gotcha.
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Kevin Dougherty
ah i mean did you see origins
00:01:13
Brandon
but Yeah, well, I remember seeing the newest one, and you had just mentioned to me the only thing you had said before, you're like, yeah, I mean, it's worth checking out, but, like, if you're looking for an explanation to anything, it really doesn't do you any favors, and I totally agree with what you had said, so.
Final Destination franchise: Quality and preferences
00:01:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:01:32
Brandon
You know, it was just like, meh. I would say, like, aside from the original, I mean, I definitely thought that the newest one was better than the previous one before that.
00:01:44
Brandon
um Even though I really like Killing Murphy, um I just didn't think it was a very good movie. But, yeah, I mean, well.
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Brandon
I'm pretty much indifferent. Like, I'll probably watch it, but, like, I don't have high expectations.
00:02:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, liked the first one, and I did like the second one definitely probably more than you did. And the...
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Brandon
and I would say, yeah, definitely.
00:02:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah,
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Brandon
If you said you liked the second one, then, yeah, you liked it more than me.
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Kevin Dougherty
and the Origins one was alright, but yeah, it definitely didn't explain anything.
Hostel TV series reboot and Eli Roth's career
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Kevin Dougherty
And it seemed like they should have just went ahead with the third one instead of going... If they're going to go back and not explain anything, then Yeah, you should have just continued, but whatever.
00:02:37
Brandon
I have a feeling, I don't know, maybe you have the same sense, um but I have a feeling that, like, they kind of painted themselves into a corner in terms of, like, the actual true origin story.
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Kevin Dougherty
um
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Brandon
um And they're just like, you know what, it would be too difficult for us to explain this. Like, we just don't have the writing staff that, like, could give us a movie within budget.
00:03:05
Brandon
that would like adequately explain exactly how all this went down. And I think that like because of that they're just leaving it to people's like imagination as to where to go.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because because things seemed pretty contained at the end of Origins.
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Brandon
That's my opinion.
00:03:27
Kevin Dougherty
So now they overran like the military and all that, and there were people just surviving.
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Brandon
Yeah.
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Brandon
Yeah.
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Kevin Dougherty
so
00:03:33
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, so I think we're kind of like, we kind of concur in that respect of like where they're at, so.
00:03:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
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Kevin Dougherty
Well, moving on. ah Hostel is getting a reboot TV series coming to Peacock.
Ranking and analyzing Final Destination films
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Kevin Dougherty
with Eli Roth coming back to write and direct.
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Brandon
That's interesting you mentioned that. I guess it was, i had seen, um something like he, Eli Roth had done like a documentary about like, um i don't know, ah something like the genre or gore or something.
00:04:16
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, he does that he does have that doc.
00:04:16
Brandon
And I just got up. And it's some kind of you know what I'm talking about?
00:04:19
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, I forget what it's called, but each of is like yeah each episode is like a different thing like vampires and uh monsters and stuff yeah it's just cliff and like i've watched a couple episodes it's just uh slipped in my mind what that was called
00:04:22
Brandon
i had just gotten a pop.
00:04:26
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:04:32
Brandon
Yeah, I can't – it was something – yeah, he's – I think he talks about, like, a whole, like, plethora of different things. But, like, yeah, it was about, like, gore and, yeah, all about that. So, yeah, I had just gotten, like – I think it was, like, recommended on Netflix or something like that. So – Yeah, I'm assuming that because of the new content that's going to be out soon, they're probably promoting things like that. They usually do that whenever something new is going to drop by somebody.
00:05:07
Brandon
They'll like ah talk up their old shit. So, yeah. Because I haven't really heard Eli Roth.
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah
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Brandon
Like, has he been regularly working on different projects? Or is he kind of is this something um that's like new for him that he hasn't done in a while?
00:05:27
Kevin Dougherty
Well, he just did that Thanksgiving movie. Yeah.
00:05:30
Brandon
Oh, that was him?
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
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Brandon
I didn't realize.
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Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:05:33
Brandon
Okay, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Okay, so he's been, like, regularly doing stuff. It's just nothing I've really paid attention to much.
00:05:40
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I mean, he also did that horrible Borderlands ah adaptation.
00:05:45
Brandon
Yeah, was that the series?
00:05:47
Kevin Dougherty
But don't know how much... No, that you're thinking of the Twisted Metal.
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Brandon
Yes, yeah, yeah.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. No, Borderlands was the you know the movie based on the game that came out last year that didn't get great reviews.
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Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
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Brandon
No. I think I...
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Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, he's been...
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Brandon
I don't even think I got through it all.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, he's been steadily working. so working
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Brandon
that's how he's doing stuff.
00:06:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. So,
Bloodlines movie critique: Plot and execution
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Kevin Dougherty
but yeah, so I mean, ah would say it's not really a return to horror since he hasn't really left the genre. So, you know,
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Brandon
No, no, no. I wasn't, like, inferring that, like, he was, like, going and, like, working on different stuff. I was just wondering if, um... He was like, you know, regularly working and coming up with new projects. And he obviously has been.
00:06:40
Brandon
I just haven't been really paying attention or I don't know. I guess I haven't seen anything that like enticed me in recent years. So um based on like stuff that he's put out.
00:06:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. ah Reportedly, ah Paul Giamatti is attached to to the series. so
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Brandon
No shit.
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Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. So.
00:07:03
Brandon
That's cool. Well, that, yeah, I mean, that that that sounds like it'd be something interesting. I mean, ah for me, Hostel, I was always, like, more interested in, like, the concept of, like, you know, people...
00:07:18
Brandon
Like, ah you know, just having it out so much that they would want to harm someone else. Like the idea of how humanity, you know, treats its own more than i was about the actual gore and the kills and all that stuff.
00:07:36
Brandon
Like, I was more intrigued. Because I remember when the first film came out, everybody was talking about how it's, like, based on a true story. ah It was a extremely loosely based on, like, a particular scene that, like, you know, just, like, went on. Like, I don't know.
00:07:56
Brandon
It was very, very loosely based on something that, like, they had discovered, like, in the past. It was nowhere, there was no club where people got like tattoos and it was like, you know, rich global elites that were torturing people to death.
00:08:17
Brandon
I'm pretty certain that like that wasn't true. Like they they just found like this thing, it was like similar to like human trafficking. where, you know, some people got, like, tortured to death or something like that. But, like, when the movie first
Bloodlines' unique angles and comparisons
00:08:32
Brandon
came out, people were, like, saying, like, oh, my God, like, I don't want to go anywhere near Slovakia or anything. i'm like, dude, give me a fucking break.
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Brandon
Like, you know.
00:08:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I remember like I was traveling at the time and people be like, oh, you're going to go overseas? You're going to go to Germany?
00:08:46
Brandon
Yeah.
00:08:47
Kevin Dougherty
You're going to be in a hostel?
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Brandon
Yeah.
00:08:49
Kevin Dougherty
Like I was staying at a hostel too and like, yeah.
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Brandon
Yeah, I mean, i'm um I'm going, I don't even know if like hostiles were like actually involved in like the actual true story to things.
00:09:02
Brandon
But I mean, like I said, like ah ah to my understanding, like the actual story was like very different than what he portrayed in the film.
00:09:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, like the hostel in the movie is just a place where like that they, you know, get, you know, foreign students to take somewhere else.
00:09:14
Brandon
Yeah.
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Brandon
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:09:22
Kevin Dougherty
Like it has nothing like none of the tortures happening at the hostel.
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Kevin Dougherty
It's just a breeding, just ah a hunting ground for these people. You know what I mean?
00:09:25
Brandon
Yeah, exactly.
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Brandon
Yeah, exactly.
00:09:29
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah.
00:09:30
Brandon
It would be the same thing. i mean, you could have called the movie Hotel, you know what I mean?
00:09:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:09:35
Brandon
Or, you know, Campground or whatever, you know. It was just, like, a place to um find, like, ignorant tourists and, you know.
00:09:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. but But like I said, they're not like a movie called Hotel or or Campground. Like the killings are happening there. This is where they're just picking up and taking them somewhere else.
00:09:51
Brandon
Yeah. Exactly.
00:09:53
Kevin Dougherty
So yeah, a little different.
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Brandon
Yeah.
00:09:56
Kevin Dougherty
But ah yeah, and then... ah
00:09:58
Brandon
Well, I meant like hotel would be like another like hunting ground for people or a campground, not necessarily where they would do the killing, but just like a place where, you know, you would hunt for tourists.
00:10:13
Brandon
You know what I mean?
00:10:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:10:14
Brandon
Like non-locals. And I think like kid the thing that got people like spooked in North America was that like Americans were like the most expensive to kill because like, you know, people hated Americans the most.
00:10:24
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:10:27
Brandon
So it was just like, you know, what the fuck?
00:10:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, especially when you get some white brand boy or girl.
00:10:33
Brandon
yeah Yeah.
00:10:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, there they were expensive.
00:10:34
Brandon
Yeah. Like the more privileged, the more expensive kill the 1%.
00:10:37
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah.
00:10:39
Brandon
Like, you know, the 1% wanting to kill the 1%.
00:10:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:10:44
Brandon
Yeah. yeah
00:10:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, so and moving on, let's talk about ah Final Destination.
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Brandon
Yeah.
00:10:52
Kevin Dougherty
The franchise from came out in 2000.
00:10:57
Brandon
Yeah. Just got rebooted after what? It was about 14-year hiatus? yeah. 13, 14 years.
00:11:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I believe so. The last one was 2011.
00:11:04
Brandon
And, mean, was always a big fan of this franchise.
00:11:07
Kevin Dougherty
two thousand eleven Yeah.
00:11:09
Brandon
knew it.
00:11:13
Brandon
and i mean ah i was always a big fan of this franchise
00:11:18
Kevin Dougherty
I remember we talked we were talking about a little bit about it during The Monkey.
00:11:18
Brandon
i never
00:11:22
Kevin Dougherty
and I was telling,
00:11:22
Brandon
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. cause Yeah.
00:11:25
Kevin Dougherty
and, uh, cause it's very similar. Well, the monkey's very similar, but I mean, it's, you know, the whole Rube Goldberg kill situation, but it kind of gets straight to the kill with like monkey did, got straight to the kills without, you know, like doing a bunch of setup.
00:11:34
Brandon
Yeah.
00:11:40
Kevin Dougherty
And it was more of about like a played as like ah a comedy than, than final destination was. And and you were like, Oh, I'll take,
00:11:46
Brandon
Yeah.
00:11:47
Kevin Dougherty
Final Destination more seriously and I was like don't it's like don't take fucking Final Destination seriously I was like I just like they just have some interesting kills and that's what I watch them for so
00:11:58
Brandon
I mean, that was a thing I would say that has always been present in the Final Destination franchise. Although, you know, I mean, there's certain serious, like, dramatic, heartfelt moments in certain films.
00:12:11
Brandon
There is always, like, with the absolute, like, you know, ridiculousness, like, elaborate, gory kills. there was always an element of comedy, I felt, that was always supposed to be present during each of the films. I mean, what do you think?
00:12:30
Brandon
I always thought that there was, like, something, like, ah satirical and something, like, I mean, because some of the kills are just so ridiculous, you can't help laugh.
00:12:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:12:39
Brandon
I think when I saw the original, people were laughing in theater, you know, at, like, how ridiculous some of the kills were, so.
00:12:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
00:12:47
Brandon
something i always enjoyed about the franchise
00:12:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I mean, yeah if you try to take it too seriously, you're like, I don't know what you're doing.
00:12:54
Brandon
yeah
00:12:56
Kevin Dougherty
Like... like the Yeah, because there's definitely people out there that, like, you know, ah hate the the Final Destination franchise.
Real-life events and final franchise thoughts
00:13:04
Kevin Dougherty
And I feel like it's almost in the same way they hate, like, the Scream movies.
00:13:09
Kevin Dougherty
But the Scream movies were always, like, satire. You know i mean? They were always kind of like, making fun of, you know, older horror movies and, like, kind of taking those tropes and changing them up to fit in a new way.
00:13:16
Brandon
yeah
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Brandon
Yeah.
00:13:22
Kevin Dougherty
So, like, ah but, yeah, again, it's not something you should be, like, oh, this is a serious, like, movie I need to but like analyze and break down you mean like just just you just want 90 minutes of fun and and and death you know what i mean like
00:13:36
Brandon
Yeah, I didn't realize there was hatred to the Final Destination movies. I mean, I know that there is, like, hatred towards the Scream movies.
00:13:47
Brandon
And I'm sort of one of those people because I think, like, the Wayans' when they made all those, like, scary movie, ah like, you know, spin-offs of those, it just kind of, like, went, like, a little bit, like, crazy for me. And, like, i just...
00:14:03
Brandon
you know, kind of had like a stigma towards like the, whatchamacallit, the screams. But the Final Destinations, you know, I mean, I knew what their purpose was. And, you know, i I wasn't aware that like people hated those movies. But like you've experienced, like you've seen like a lot of the posts, like a lot of stuff where people are like, you know, what the fuck?
00:14:28
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know, like, what the fuck, but yeah, like, there's definitely people that, like, don't really enjoy the movies for what they are, you know what i mean?
00:14:36
Brandon
Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:14:39
Kevin Dougherty
I was looking for the total box office for the whole franchise, but it just keeps giving me the individual ones.
00:14:48
Brandon
Yeah, that's that's what I see as well. I mean, I... I don't want, I mean, i don't think we have to get, like, too much into, like, all the budgets of the movie, except maybe the newest ones.
00:15:02
Brandon
But, I mean, what would you say, i mean, there were, let's see, in, i believe in 2000 we got the first one, and then... From 2000 to 2011, there's only been like a two to three year gap between movies. So for the first decade, we regularly got Final Destinations. There were Final Destination 1, 2, 3, 4, then 4 was called The Final Destination, and 5, well, I guess 5 was like a resurrection. don't know if it was actually. I think everyone after the first one had like some kind of subtitle.
00:15:39
Brandon
But I think 4, the fact that they called it The Final Destination kind of reminded me of like Friday the 13th, the final chapter.
00:15:50
Brandon
But like shit was still making money. So, you know, reborn with new blood.
00:15:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:15:55
Brandon
And so they just went from The Final Destination 4 to fuck it, two years later, Final Destination 5. And that's why I was surprised that there was like such a gap.
00:16:08
Brandon
But, like, still, I was, like, really happy that the franchise got a reboot. And I guess I kind of wanted to know, like, your opinion of the previous five ah movies in terms of, like, I mean, for me, it was always about the beginnings.
00:16:30
Brandon
And, like, the intro, like, the intro, like, you know, choreographed, like, ridiculous disaster. Because it wasn't, like, just a kill in the beginning.
00:16:41
Brandon
It was a massive disaster in all the movies.
00:16:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, that's how kind of they all started.
00:16:44
Brandon
Like, there's there's there's mass killing. Like, it's a mass casualty event, plane crashes, roller coasters. Where would you rank, well, I mean, taking the latest film, too, where would you rank, like, the films in terms of, like, their introduction mass casualty events?
00:17:10
Kevin Dougherty
Well, you kind of got ahead of me a little bit there, but that's right.
00:17:13
Brandon
Sorry. Sorry.
00:17:15
Kevin Dougherty
ah because I want to talk about the final destination real fast because technically
00:17:20
Brandon
Oh, okay. And that's Final Destination 4, correct?
00:17:23
Kevin Dougherty
yeah because technically that was still the final destination at the time even after five came out because remember five is secretly a prequel to one
00:17:33
Brandon
Oh, yeah, that's true. that That's a good point. i did not I did not think of that. It's been a while since – well, actually, a couple years ago I did rewatch all But, I mean, i don't, like, like I said, for me, it was just about the kills and the gore and the fun.
00:17:56
Brandon
i never really put too much stock into the movies, as we just, you know, explained.
00:17:58
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:01
Brandon
um but So I don't really remember too much. But that's an interesting point. So they basically made it so that Five, like, to explain the final destination being the final destination, they set Five as a prequel.
00:18:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:18:16
Brandon
to, I guess, really, was it the very, yeah, see, I don't even remember, I don't even remember,
00:18:17
Kevin Dougherty
Which you didn't know until the very end of that movie. Like the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. kid The kid that survives ends up on the plane.
00:18:28
Kevin Dougherty
from the first one where they're all, you know, yeah. And that's when you're like, oh shit, it was a prequel the whole time. Yeah. And, but they didn't like subtitle it like, you know, a final destination, the beginning or anything like that.
00:18:35
Brandon
yeah, yeah, yeah,
00:18:41
Kevin Dougherty
They gave it the five and then was like, yeah, but it's technically a prequel. But we're not, I think it was a clever way to like do that and kind of kept to you like not knowing what was going to like happen.
00:18:53
Kevin Dougherty
Tying it into the beginning.
00:18:53
Brandon
ah Yeah, yeah.
00:18:55
Kevin Dougherty
I thought that that was really good, but, uh, my favorite yeah before the new one came out i rewatched the moment yeah
00:18:58
Brandon
No, you rewatched them all recently, right? That's what I thought. So you you have you have them pretty fresh on your mind.
00:19:08
Kevin Dougherty
i mean know about that fresh i mean they all kind of blend together when you watch them that was back uh
00:19:09
Brandon
Gotcha. Yeah.
00:19:14
Brandon
Yeah, true true that. um I was just curious as to like what your favorite introduction disasters were. Because I know for me, the first ah one would be my favorite of the franchise, and that was Final Destination 3 with the roller coaster.
00:19:36
Kevin Dougherty
So 3 was your favorite beginning one.
00:19:36
Brandon
I just... Yeah. Because I'm afraid of roller coasters, so...
00:19:39
Kevin Dougherty
I think... Yeah, yeah. I understand that. But at the same time, remember 3, it wouldn't have happened if they all if they got off because the whole thing was the guy's camera got stuck.
00:19:55
Kevin Dougherty
He drops his camera that he wasn't supposed to take on and that gets stuck in the in the rail and that's what causes the whole rollercoaster to crash.
00:19:58
Brandon
um i
00:20:03
Kevin Dougherty
So once they see that and he gets off... that rollercoaster is going to go through fine.
00:20:09
Brandon
Yeah.
00:20:10
Kevin Dougherty
Which it didn't, though.
00:20:12
Brandon
No.
00:20:12
Kevin Dougherty
everyone It crashed again anyway. But that's the whole you-can't-escape-death thing that you know Tony Todd like gets into every movie.
00:20:14
Brandon
Mm-hmm.
00:20:19
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I didn't take it that serious. Like, so, like, I mean, i I don't really care what caused the disaster.
00:20:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:20:29
Brandon
Like, I just care that there was a disaster.
00:20:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's just the only one that there's kind of a plot hole... in the beginning with one of the passengers was the reason it caused it. And if that passenger kicks off, then not, not then it doesn't happen.
00:20:40
Brandon
I don't.
00:20:44
Brandon
I guess. I mean, I don't i don't care.
00:20:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:20:49
Brandon
but oh my I'm sure you could dig plot holes, like, wherever. I'm sure there's a lot of holes in it, but like I said, like, I don't care. i didn't watch it for any plot. I just watched it for chaos.
00:21:03
Brandon
and I just watched it for chaos, disaster, and, you know, that overwhelming anxiety of people, like, running from the invisible Grim Reaper.
00:21:04
Kevin Dougherty
But,
00:21:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. ah I would say the newest one with the tower might have been my favorite.
00:21:21
Brandon
Yeah, you know what? We talked a little bit about this before the cast, and you're right. I said Final Destination with the roller coaster. The newest one was actually my favorite disaster, followed by the ah third one.
00:21:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, the followed by three. yeah I would agree with that. And then probably...
00:21:38
Brandon
Where would you go after that?
00:21:40
Kevin Dougherty
I would go to the... probably the second one with the highway crash with the log, because that's something that like sticks with you. and probably, it's probably almost one of the most memorable ones, honestly, because like you still see that in the zeitgeist today with like, when people driving on the highway, you'll see memes about people driving on like the highway. they'd be like, you never stay behind a log truck because of that movie.
00:22:07
Brandon
Well, I mean, I never what would stay behind the log truck before that movie.
00:22:07
Kevin Dougherty
When we drive them.
00:22:13
Brandon
Like, I never want to stay behind really any truck.
00:22:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, true.
00:22:16
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:22:16
Brandon
Like, and being being behind any truck on any major roadway always kind of, like, freaks me out. um And, you know, I don't want to, like, delve into too much of a sidebar here, but, like, if I could briefly go back,
00:22:35
Brandon
When I was taking my driver exam at Princeton Driving School, like when I was trying to get my license, you know, people used to do driving school and shit like that.
00:22:46
Brandon
I don't know if that's still a thing.
00:22:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:22:48
Brandon
the instructor I had, I'm pretty sure was drunk.
00:22:48
Kevin Dougherty
We'll see.
00:22:53
Brandon
He was, my dad asked me if I thought he had been drinking because he was like real crazy. And he used to talk about toxic waste trucks.
00:23:05
Brandon
Like when he had me on the highway for the first time, when he was like, you know, do this, do passing and, you know, he was, he kept talking about toxic waste trucks and how to avoid that.
00:23:19
Brandon
And like, I was thinking about like how like, you know, oh, that would make me into like the toxic Avenger. If like, you was being,
00:23:26
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:23:27
Brandon
And, you know, I didn't talk to the guy about because he was so crazed. But, yeah, I've always been, like, real worried about being behind a truck and those doors just opening and whatever the fuck is in there just comes out.
00:23:42
Brandon
So I'm always worried. It's not just, like, logging trucks. But, yeah, are scary.
00:23:47
Kevin Dougherty
i mean you could have became the daredevil as well so you got blinded by toxic waste so
00:23:50
Brandon
Get through that, through that.
00:23:54
Brandon
True that. Yeah, I would say the highway scene after the newest and the roller coaster disaster. I think the high, especially how it starts off. And I mean,
00:24:05
Brandon
It's great because had just watched the scene where that giant log takes out the, it goes right through the police car and you it takes off his head and you can see the head come out with the log in back of the car. I mean, it was, the special effects in all of these movies were excellent.
00:24:26
Kevin Dougherty
I would say less on one of the other ones that we'll get to. That's probably the towards the bottom of my list. um But my, you know, I think I got to next one's got to be the bridge collapse scene I thought was really good.
00:24:35
Brandon
I thought they were all awesome, but.
00:24:45
Kevin Dougherty
That was, um that was what, number five. That was, that was, that was the one.
00:24:50
Brandon
Yeah, that was, that was, that was the fifth one. Yeah, that was the 2011. So that was, that was like the latest one before we got the reboot. um Yeah, I mean, I've seen a lot of people talk about, like, the bridge scene as being, like, their number one.
00:25:06
Brandon
ah For me, it was the... I mean, I like the bridge scene. um I thought it was really cool. But for me, I would go to the airplane in the original because i used to, like, right around that time was when I started flying regularly. Because that was in 2000. You know, that was when I started to travel and stuff like that. So when I saw that movie and i think I flew like two days later Florida and like, I remember thinking like getting onto the plane, like I had just seen final destination and I remember thinking about that. So for me, it was the plane disaster in the original.
00:25:56
Brandon
that came next. That would have been like what? I think that would fall in number four for me.
00:26:06
Kevin Dougherty
Okay.
00:26:06
Brandon
Number four spot.
00:26:08
Kevin Dougherty
And then what was your number five then is five year highway?
00:26:11
Brandon
For me, my fifth would have been like just sort of a tie between the bridge scene and the NASCAR, which seemed to be like sort of at the bottom of everybody's list.
00:26:18
Kevin Dougherty
Right.
00:26:25
Brandon
I would say I do remember the NASCAR probably the least, and that was The Final Destination.
00:26:35
Kevin Dougherty
yes yes yes
00:26:36
Brandon
So that would have been in the timeline. The Final Destination and then Bloodlines would have been. all right, so in sequential order, that's how it would be.
00:26:52
Brandon
So The Final Destination, the fourth film That was probably my least favorite, but kind of tied with the bridge.
00:27:04
Brandon
don't know.
00:27:04
Kevin Dougherty
um
00:27:04
Brandon
four Four and five were just kind of tied for me.
00:27:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I would say um NASCAR would be after a Bridge for me. and Mainly because I think the CGI is the is the what is the worst in it.
00:27:19
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:19
Kevin Dougherty
But it is ah it is like a longer sequence. And that's the only reason I have one down at the bottom is because it's ah it's a very quick, short sequence where everybody kind of dies and not really that spectacular of a way, you know what i mean, compared compared to all the other ones.
00:27:33
Brandon
Yeah.
00:27:36
Kevin Dougherty
like people Most people just you know get sucked out the airplane. like
00:27:41
Brandon
Yeah.
00:27:41
Kevin Dougherty
there's not like There's not a whole lot of... Or you know catch fire and shit. There's not a whole lot of like extra like ridiculous things that happen to people on the plane. So that's the only reason I would put that out the bottom.
00:27:50
Brandon
Yeah, true that. And with the NASCAR one, I guess I feel like the NASCAR one would have been the most easy to escape.
00:28:02
Brandon
Because, like, for example, in the skybox, you're at heights. There's nothing you can do. There's no escaping there. ah In the plane, obviously, there's no escaping.
00:28:14
Brandon
On the roller coaster, you're at the mercy of that kinetic energy.
00:28:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:28:19
Brandon
Yeah.
00:28:20
Kevin Dougherty
There was a,
00:28:21
Brandon
And then on the interstate even, like, you're in a car, you're in a pileup, you can't stop it. Like, it seems like the NASCAR, there was, like, the greatest chance for you to, like, get the fuck out of Dodge.
00:28:35
Kevin Dougherty
yeah. youd be Yeah. Especially if you're on the opposite side of the stadium that, that didn't get, but yeah, but that even the stadium comes down as well, but I was going to say there was a, uh,
00:28:37
Brandon
You know what I mean? Yeah, Exactly.
00:28:45
Kevin Dougherty
It wasn't a roller coaster, but there was like a, it kind of one of those fair rides that like swing back and forth, but it's like a full like circle thing. And it went back and forth.
00:28:53
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, I think I know what you're talking about.
00:28:55
Kevin Dougherty
There was one of those that broke and and like snapped in half in Dubai. And like, and luckily it was like, it like snapped in half and then hit a bar and then came down.
00:29:00
Brandon
Oh, shit.
00:29:06
Kevin Dougherty
But luckily everybody landed like, you know, seat up. So like the whole thing landed like instead of like upside down, which would have been awful. Some people were critically injured, but I don't know if anybody died from it.
00:29:18
Kevin Dougherty
I think it was just an injury.
00:29:18
Brandon
is there Is there footage of that?
00:29:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's how I saw it.
00:29:21
Kevin Dougherty
There was footage of it, yeah.
00:29:21
Brandon
Oh, shit.
00:29:23
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:23
Kevin Dougherty
I think it was in Dubai, and it was like, yeah, it was kind of like one of those, I don't know if it was like a permanent place where they have it or if it was one of those fairground rides. but that's Yeah, it's one of the reasons I don't go to like fairground, you know.
00:29:34
Brandon
yeah
00:29:38
Kevin Dougherty
I love going to theme parks, but it's got to be,
00:29:40
Brandon
I love fairs. Wait, you – wait, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. You're telling me that you intentionally avoid going to fairs.
00:29:52
Kevin Dougherty
No,
00:29:52
Brandon
Because you're like afraid that death might be after you in like a Final Destination way?
00:29:58
Kevin Dougherty
but ter No, I just don't go on the rides ah at fairs. You know, the one like the big ones.
00:30:05
Brandon
Because you think death is after you. I kind of agree with that. I could see death coming after you.
00:30:11
Kevin Dougherty
because those rides aren't permanent.
00:30:12
Brandon
ah
00:30:14
Kevin Dougherty
So they're like they're barely held on the ground. And there you know there the maintenance isn't kept up as well.
00:30:22
Brandon
the ride isn't permanent.
00:30:22
Kevin Dougherty
Compared to like, well, compared to theme parks, those rides are permanently there. You know i mean? They can maintain them.
00:30:30
Brandon
What about these, like, ah party freak-offs you go out to in the middle of the desert? Like, there's not, like, crazy, like, crap that could happen there where, like, I don't know, like, electrical towers could fall, generators could freak out, like, you know what I mean?
00:30:39
Kevin Dougherty
They don't have
00:30:49
Brandon
Like, people could flip and like, you know, you could have like a, a cyberpunk style shootout in the middle of the desert. Like what? No.
00:30:59
Brandon
but
00:31:01
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, yeah, but they don't have fair rides there that are going to break apart.
00:31:03
Brandon
Sure. Yeah. With that, with that permanent, right.
00:31:10
Kevin Dougherty
what I'm saying. Fairs don't have permanent rides. They have traveling rides that they can't set into the ground, and theme parks do.
00:31:12
Brandon
True that.
00:31:16
Brandon
I'm busting your balls.
00:31:17
Kevin Dougherty
That's what I'm saying.
00:31:17
Brandon
Yeah.
00:31:18
Kevin Dougherty
That's why I don't go on those.
00:31:18
Brandon
Yeah.
00:31:19
Kevin Dougherty
And I love, like, you know me, I love going to fucking Six Flags.
00:31:22
Brandon
Oh, yeah. You were always pumped.
00:31:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:24
Brandon
You've tried to get me to go all the time.
00:31:27
Kevin Dougherty
I still have season tickets.
00:31:27
Brandon
And my uncle at one point in New Jersey was ah the president of marketing for Six Flags.
00:31:37
Kevin Dougherty
That's right, yeah.
00:31:38
Brandon
I think he was president I believe he was the project president of marketing for Northeast Regional. So he had given me like free passes for myself and all of my friends.
00:31:54
Brandon
I never went once. My friends went.
00:31:57
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:31:58
Brandon
But I never went and I always like um would basically invent like an illness or something else I had to do. The truth was is that like I was a scared a little bitch of the roller coasters.
00:32:12
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:32:13
Brandon
And because of that, I never went because, you know, Final Destination 3, death is after me.
00:32:19
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:32:22
Kevin Dougherty
butla and so how would you rank all the movies now because I would rank them differently than I would rank the like they opening kills and I feel like that's a little bit harder to rank for me
00:32:27
Brandon
Ooh.
00:32:31
Brandon
Yeah, me too. Yeah, me too.
00:32:36
Brandon
Yeah. Well, what's interesting is, is you said the bridge was your least favorite. And I said, you know, that was kind of tied.
00:32:46
Kevin Dougherty
now the bridge no
00:32:48
Brandon
are no, excuse me, the NASCAR. Excuse me, the NASCAR.
00:32:50
Kevin Dougherty
No, the airplane was my least favorite. NASCAR was one of above.
00:32:53
Brandon
Oh, the airplane was, oh, NASCAR was one above.
00:32:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:32:56
Brandon
Okay.
00:32:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:32:56
Brandon
Well, What's interesting, though, is I actually thought that the NASCAR, what happened after the NASCAR, how, like, um I remember, I guess with the NASCAR thing, I felt that there was a lot more character development.
00:33:17
Brandon
In terms of the amount of victims there were, because I remember like them all trying to get together. like the The main character like went to all the other people, and you know after they realized that his premonition had come true...
00:33:36
Brandon
Like, I felt like there was more character development among the large chain of victims. And I actually thought that um that particular film was probably one of the better acted.
00:33:53
Brandon
So I would actually rate the Final Destination 4 with ah one one of my favorites in terms of, like, the acting and character development.
00:34:08
Brandon
ah Probably followed by the original, I think.
00:34:14
Kevin Dougherty
Okay. Yeah, I would go
00:34:16
Brandon
So those would have been, like, my top. And then with the third, i mean, I really like the third one, too, because... Aside from the initial disaster scene, there were a lot of really, really cool kills in that one.
00:34:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I would say the third one was probably my favorite.
00:34:31
Brandon
So, yeah, I mean...
00:34:35
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:36
Kevin Dougherty
and And then, oh, man, I would have...
00:34:41
Brandon
I'm trying to think of what my favorite of the movies would be total. And yeah, I think the third one would have been my favorite. I was just, like, giving an example, like,
00:34:52
Brandon
I would say, like, the NASCAR might have been, like, my least favorite of, like, the disasters. But, like, it was actually higher up in terms of, like, the overall quality of the movie.
00:35:07
Kevin Dougherty
Okay.
00:35:08
Brandon
If that makes any sense.
00:35:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:10
Brandon
I don't know if I'm talking gibberish.
00:35:11
Kevin Dougherty
No, no, no. That makes sense.
00:35:12
Brandon
So, I think that's kind of interesting.
00:35:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because that's what I'm saying, is my ah order for what movies are better is going to be different than my list order for the opening kills.
00:35:20
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:25
Brandon
That's kind of an interesting dynamic.
00:35:25
Kevin Dougherty
and Yeah, and ah i because, you know, sometimes the opening of a movie is better than the rest of the movie, so like
00:35:33
Brandon
Absolutely. Yeah. ah Yeah. Fuck yeah.
00:35:37
Kevin Dougherty
I would ah id probably rank bloodlines towards the bottom, um
00:35:43
Brandon
I agree.
00:35:44
Kevin Dougherty
even though it had a fantastic opening. And there's some good kills in it, but yeah.
00:35:46
Brandon
In fact... I think i rank Bloodlines in terms of movie. I rank it last.
00:35:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And I still enjoyed it, like don't get me wrong. like
00:35:56
Brandon
no
00:35:57
Kevin Dougherty
But ah then let's see. Man, I would have go...
00:36:01
Brandon
But wait just one second. So just for the record, both of us put Bloodlines, the Skybox disaster, as our number one.
00:36:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:36:15
Brandon
in terms of introduction disasters, yet both of us say that Bloodline is probably the weakest in terms of, like, the film quality.
00:36:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I'd say so.
00:36:28
Brandon
that That's kind of fucking interesting to me.
00:36:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, so for me, it would probably go three, then I'm thinking five one, three,
00:36:43
Kevin Dougherty
two 4? Bloodlines?
00:36:48
Brandon
ah Hold on. So it's for you, three was your favorite.
00:36:50
Kevin Dougherty
That makes sense.
00:36:53
Kevin Dougherty
The one with the rollercoaster would be my favorite.
00:36:56
Brandon
And then what comes after that?
00:36:57
Kevin Dougherty
And the No, 5 was the bridge opening.
00:36:59
Brandon
You said five comes after that? The NASCAR?
00:37:05
Brandon
Five was the bridge opening.
00:37:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Because i think I really like the ending of that tying it back into the first one. And I think it had a lot of like ramped up ah you know kills in that one.
00:37:21
Brandon
Yeah, I would say 3 was my favorite in terms of, like, the overall movie, too. And then, 3
00:37:29
Kevin Dougherty
was the final destination.
00:37:32
Brandon
was, like, my I thought the final destination, i was saying, like, in contrast, like, the NASCAR scene was probably my least favorite of, like, the openings.
00:37:38
Kevin Dougherty
oh Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:46
Kevin Dougherty
Okay, then rank your're rank your...
00:37:46
Brandon
Although, I don't know. I don't know. I think the bridge might have been my least favorite of the openings, and I know you really liked it. I think, don't know, I feel like the NASCAR one like, I think because it was probably right under, for me, in terms of movie-wise, i think it goes three, one four, two,
00:38:00
Kevin Dougherty
There's no wrong answers.
00:38:14
Brandon
then who And then my least favorite was the most recent movie.
00:38:22
Kevin Dougherty
And five was right above that. That's what you're saying.
00:38:26
Brandon
Yeah, well, five five would have been, ah so it would go three, then five, then one.
00:38:39
Brandon
Then, wait, hold on. Five was not the NASCAR one? Fuck, yeah, there's a lot of shit to cover.
00:38:45
Kevin Dougherty
no one
00:38:47
Brandon
I'm getting confused here.
00:38:49
Kevin Dougherty
That was the fourth one.
00:38:49
Brandon
So, hold on. Five was the five was NASCAR one or five was the bridge one?
00:38:56
Kevin Dougherty
5 was the bridge, 1, 4 was NASCAR.
00:38:58
Brandon
Okay, so this is my order.
00:38:59
Kevin Dougherty
It confuses because they call it the final destination, but it's the fourth one.
00:39:03
Brandon
Yeah, exactly.
00:39:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:39:04
Kevin Dougherty
You're
00:39:04
Brandon
exactly so
00:39:06
Brandon
to Well, here, I'll list it both ways. So in terms of the desks, in terms of intros, for me it was it goes six, then three, because, know, Skybox, you have the roller coaster, then two is the highway, then one is the airplane, and then if I had to go...
00:39:13
Kevin Dougherty
ah it' just going to make it confusing.
00:39:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:39:35
Brandon
with Bridge or the the NASCAR just slightly ekes out over the Bridge disaster.
00:39:46
Brandon
Even though I have a feeling if I rewatch them both, I might like the Bridge more just to like complicate this discussion a little bit ah further than it is.
00:39:57
Kevin Dougherty
but There's really no wrong... listen Listen, there's really no wrong answer because they're all...
00:40:01
Brandon
There is no, yeah, there's no wrong answer, but that's where I would go. So would be six Skybox, three roller coaster, two highway, one airplane.
00:40:10
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:40:14
Brandon
Then it would be ah
00:40:19
Brandon
five NASCAR and then four NASCAR, five bridge.
00:40:21
Kevin Dougherty
No four NASCAR or reviews.
00:40:26
Kevin Dougherty
You
00:40:27
Brandon
And then in terms of the movies that I liked in terms of movie quality, I think it would go three roller coaster.
00:40:38
Brandon
Then it would go Then would airplane, then two highway. ah one airplane then two highway And then five bridge. Oh, wait. No, fuck me.
00:40:55
Brandon
I have it all wrong. It would go, hold up. It would go three roller coaster, five bridge, one airplane, two highway.
00:41:13
Brandon
Fuck, I fucked it up again. I totally can't do it.
00:41:17
Kevin Dougherty
Anyway, moving on.
00:41:17
Brandon
I don't have to get the ability do it. I have to write it down. I'm getting too confused upon everything. Motherfucking fuck me. Fuck you, Final Destination. You made too many goddamn movies.
00:41:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. ah And the correct way to watch them chronologically would be five, one, two, three, four bloodlines.
00:41:43
Brandon
They really make it kind of confusing.
00:41:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And so let's move on to Bloodlines now.
00:41:52
Kevin Dougherty
Alright, you ready for that? ah So you can stop confusing yourself over which order you like, because again, there's no wrong answer.
00:42:00
Kevin Dougherty
So, uh, Cloud Destination 6, we're all on Bloodlines. Yes. Ha ha. As we confuse ourselves even more.
00:42:12
Kevin Dougherty
So Bloodlines had a production budget of $50 million. And it made $286 million. So obviously it made its money back plus. So Final Destination 7 is in the works with the co-writer of Bloodlines.
00:42:29
Kevin Dougherty
So they are making another one.
00:42:31
Brandon
yeah Yeah, I'll keep watching them until I'm just trying to, like, organize, like,
00:42:31
Kevin Dougherty
Obviously. Because yes. the Overall the franchise has made $983 million. dollars So yeah. They're going to keep making these. And I'm happy. I'll keep watching these. So...
00:42:43
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:42:55
Kevin Dougherty
but You're still trying to organize the rest?
00:42:56
Brandon
i'm still obsessed with the fact that i can't seem to get them all right
00:43:02
Kevin Dougherty
There's no...
00:43:02
Brandon
so
00:43:03
Kevin Dougherty
Again, there's no right answer. Yeah.
00:43:05
Brandon
no there is a right answer to me so going back in time it would be
00:43:12
Kevin Dougherty
you
00:43:14
Brandon
in quality of movies it would be final destination three And then i think the best after that would be Final Destination 5.
00:43:29
Brandon
five And after Final Destination 5, I think the original. And then, oh wait, fuck it, because 4 was the NASCAR one. Yeah, I'm fucked again.
00:43:43
Brandon
I can't get it. i don't I do not have the mental capacity. to be able to properly list these in order. So take what you will.
00:43:53
Kevin Dougherty
I'm probably sure you did once during this episode in a correct order.
00:43:58
Brandon
Well, the issue is i keep mistaking the um one that you told me was a prequel.
00:43:59
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:44:07
Brandon
The issue is is that four and five i keep confusing because five was the bridge.
00:44:15
Kevin Dougherty
Five is the bridge and it's the prequel.
00:44:15
Brandon
And I constantly think of I being four and four being five.
00:44:18
Kevin Dougherty
Four is the final destination. Yeah.
00:44:24
Brandon
I keep mixing them up to like such a frustrating degree that it's like driving me absolutely insane.
00:44:34
Kevin Dougherty
That's all right. Well, can we talk about ah but bloodlines now or are you going to keep obsessing it over that?
00:44:41
Brandon
I'm going to keep obsessing in my head, which is probably going to distract me from the conversation. but the yeah, we definitely should talk about the newest one. I thought this one was by far the weakest in acting.
00:44:54
Brandon
The story I didn't like, I couldn't care less about really. I did not think this was a good movie at all.
00:45:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I didn't mind the ah story where it's this college student wakes up from a nightmare, but instead of this time it being you know ah something that's about to happen, it's something that had happened previously in her hometown back in 1969, and that was the tower collapsing.
00:45:23
Kevin Dougherty
And it was actually like her grandmother, that i believe, or a great-grandmother or something like that.
00:45:31
Brandon
Yeah, I thought this story was dreadful.
00:45:32
Kevin Dougherty
And, yeah, and ah it was her seeing that accident happen and being able to get out with her and her husband. But then i she had found a way to, like, you know, cheat death from coming after her. I mean, it made her go kind of insane.
00:45:54
Kevin Dougherty
But ah since they had escaped the death, she had...
00:45:56
Brandon
Wait, hold on.
00:45:59
Kevin Dougherty
Hold on, let me continue. Hold on.
00:46:00
Brandon
Okay. All right.
00:46:02
Kevin Dougherty
uh since she escaped the death she had kids and those kids weren't supposed to ever exist because she was supposed to die in the original disaster and that's what and that's what it follows is the is death you know killing people through their warmline system stuff
00:46:18
Brandon
And here we who is, who is Shay was gonna be my question to you.
00:46:23
Kevin Dougherty
who is who what you mean who is she
00:46:24
Brandon
Shay. You said Shay survived death. we're talking about like the, uh, introductory character in the disaster where she comes out as an old woman.
00:46:39
Brandon
And don't see the, this story was just so fucking silly.
00:46:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:45
Brandon
Like I really thought the plot to this one was just really fucking dreadful. And like, it was just, yeah, don't know.
00:46:55
Brandon
I really did not like this movie. I, I didn't really like, I mean, I liked the intro disaster was my favorite of the entire franchise.
00:47:07
Brandon
Aside from that, like there just was nothing in this movie I enjoyed.
00:47:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well I mean, maybe yeah maybe the part where she gets like thrown into the trash compactor in the trash truck is the one that sticks out the most to me.
00:47:12
Brandon
that That was my problem. I was hoping for a good reboot.
00:47:24
Brandon
just like, whatever.
00:47:26
Kevin Dougherty
But then like I think my um one of the most ridiculous things about the movie was this, ah you know, she had created this safe house in a deserted area, but then like she around like she was able to like kind of see where death was like kind of looking at her from like a couple like minutes or maybe even further into the future.
00:47:50
Kevin Dougherty
And so she kind of, you know, created this house where she could protect herself against it. And she would kind of see that she could see the signs of death about to happen.
00:47:58
Brandon
Yeah,
00:47:59
Kevin Dougherty
But like the house that she created was Phil, it was a fucking death trap. Like everything about that house could get her fucking killed.
00:48:07
Brandon
yeah yeah yeah the cabin the cabin that she, the that
00:48:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:48:10
Kevin Dougherty
like it was like the most unsafe fucking house that you could even fucking create and i just that's ah that was my major thing that i wanted to point out was like how unsafe that house was and yet she was like oh like i'm gonna stop the house from burning down it's like you've made the rickety-ish shadiest fucking house and then you surround it yourself with fucking every possible thing that could fucking kill you like
00:48:35
Brandon
With a gas stove inside. And yeah, um and just to be clear, ah she is like the grandmother. Like she, that the she we're talking about is the introductory character who's ah has the premonition.
00:48:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
00:48:51
Brandon
Everybody, you know, in every Final Destination movie, there's one character that has like the premonition of the disaster that's going to happen.
00:49:01
Brandon
I guess, I mean, ah Here at Fright Central, we expect that like you know you know something about the movie that we're going to discuss or the series or the series of movies.
00:49:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:15
Brandon
So, I mean, ah we assume that you already know this. But just to be clear, the she we're talking about is the character that is like the grandmother or great-grandmother.
00:49:26
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, no.
00:49:27
Brandon
No, it's is the grandmothers.
00:49:27
Kevin Dougherty
i was the The she I was talking about was the college student. She's the one that has the premonition.
00:49:33
Brandon
Oh, no okay. See, I was confused as to the she, like, I didn't know what she meant.
00:49:38
Kevin Dougherty
Okay, yeah, because the movie opens up with that disaster, ah But the person that wakes up is the, is the, I mean, she, yes, the grandmother ah notices the disaster about to happen and, and she escapes and she goes on to have kids, but that's not, yes, but ah she doesn't like wake up from a dream necessarily.
00:49:54
Brandon
Yes, she has the premonition, so, and she's the first one that dies. Okay.
00:50:02
Kevin Dougherty
She does see it and she does prevent it and she gets out. But then the the movie, when the movie actually opens up, it's like, it's, you know, 2024 whatever. And the girl who wakes up as the college student, she's having a premonition about that disaster.
00:50:16
Kevin Dougherty
So she didn't just see the disaster.
00:50:18
Brandon
Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah.
00:50:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, she the she didn't just see the disaster.
00:50:21
Brandon
Good point.
00:50:22
Kevin Dougherty
She saw her mother see the disaster that she escaped. So she almost sees two premonitions. Oh, well, I mean, it's not one she could have stopped.
00:50:30
Brandon
Well, it wasn't her mother. it was her grandma.
00:50:32
Kevin Dougherty
Her grandmother. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, her grandmother.
00:50:34
Brandon
So there was a double premonition in the final movie, which is unique to the franchise, because I don't think that there's been a double premonition in any of the other films.
00:50:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:50:47
Kevin Dougherty
I think one of the other ones, one person can kind of see them. She's drawn in the notebook. was I think that was the rollercoaster one. And so she's kind of seeing each death after the rollercoaster.
00:50:58
Brandon
Well, that's how all of them see it.
00:50:59
Kevin Dougherty
I believe she's...
00:51:00
Brandon
Like that they all kind of see like, you know, they all track it back.
00:51:01
Kevin Dougherty
Do they?
00:51:05
Brandon
They're like, this person is going to be next.
00:51:08
Kevin Dougherty
and No, they know.
00:51:08
Brandon
And this person, the chain of the chain of deaths.
00:51:09
Kevin Dougherty
I'm not saying who's going to be next, but...
00:51:12
Brandon
They break down that in every single movie.
00:51:15
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, but the in the third one, I believe she was drawn in a notebook how that person was going to die too.
00:51:15
Brandon
They break down who is going to be next.
00:51:22
Kevin Dougherty
And I think all the other times it's just it was just the order of who's next. And I feel like there was at least one or two of them that was like...
00:51:28
Brandon
Yeah, but how everyone dies after they cheat death is unique. Like, they don't know exactly how it's going to kill you.
00:51:37
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, it was maybe... Oh, I think it was the...
00:51:39
Brandon
It's just that it's going to kill you.
00:51:41
Kevin Dougherty
It might have been the camera with the pictures. was giving them hints and clues to who to how were they were going to die.
00:51:47
Brandon
Oh, I don't remember anything like that.
00:51:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:50
Brandon
I don't remember there being specific clues... she was just constantly saying, like, avoid the soccer ball, avoid the garbage truck, avoid this, avoid that, avoid this.
00:52:02
Brandon
Like, she started, like, going freaking, yeah, the latest one.
00:52:04
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, that's a new one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm talking about some of the previous ones. But...
00:52:10
Brandon
Oh, I don't remember that happening in any of the previous ones, where they, like, tried predict how you were going to die, like,
00:52:14
Kevin Dougherty
I'll tell about previous one.
00:52:18
Kevin Dougherty
No, they weren't trying to predict it, but she was getting like either either the pictures or or drawings of like of how that person was going to die. And they were trying to like figure out how it was, but like they always got it wrong or something like, oh, this person is going to die this way and it happens a different way or whatever. But but that thing is also in the picture is what I remember. But anyway, back to the bloodlines. Yes, she does have that um dream of her grandmother having the premonition and then the actual disaster happening.
00:52:50
Kevin Dougherty
ah but then yeah, like when she gets the notebook from her grandmother, her grandmother kind of teaches her how to spot the things that could kill you. And like the signs for it's not necessarily a premonition, but it's like, Oh, like that, that soccer ball could hit that tree and and bounce into the thing. Like it was just about all the ridiculous things that could happen. Like as you're walking down the street,
00:53:14
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:53:14
Brandon
Yeah, it was just everything.
00:53:15
Kevin Dougherty
and Everything, yeah.
00:53:16
Brandon
She was just freaked out. Her ideas were all over the place.
00:53:19
Kevin Dougherty
But it'd be like the wind would blow a certain way and you would get this ah feeling and then like that would be the the death coming after you or whatever, yeah.
00:53:26
Brandon
But that happens in every single movie. Like, they try to, you know, their parent, like the person that realizes death is coming after That was a formula that's been repeated in every single film.
00:53:41
Brandon
They always like think, like oh, you know watch out for this.
00:53:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, again, I'm not talking about the... Yeah.
00:53:45
Brandon
what Like Allie Larder's character locks herself. like you know Allie Larder actually, um i guess this was in Final Destination 2, she does the most logical thing where she could actually survive the longest was basically putting herself in a psychiatric facility.
00:54:07
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:54:07
Brandon
And I think it was the second film.
00:54:10
Brandon
Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Because the second film was like a direct sequel to the first film. And so she puts herself in a padded room in a straitjacket.
00:54:22
Brandon
Rather than the ah fucking shack of death that the grandmother puts herself noose room.
00:54:30
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just meant, like, I didn't mean, like, ah like yeah, the the once the person has the premonition, she's like, oh, ah we're gonna we know who's going to die next. I'm saying that, like, she the the grandmother had figured out a way to, like, kind of look for the signs as you're, like, even like even if you don't have, this because she technically never had a premonition.
00:54:52
Kevin Dougherty
She had, a you know, a past memory.
00:54:55
Brandon
The grandmother you mean?
00:54:56
Kevin Dougherty
No, the kid.
00:54:57
Brandon
Okay, you're switching back
00:54:57
Kevin Dougherty
The kid had a Yeah, I'm saying the kid never the college student never had it she never had a ah premonition of something that was going to happen. She only had the premonition of what happened in the past.
00:55:10
Kevin Dougherty
Past disaster. she Like everyone else has a future premonition.
00:55:14
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah. This was unique in that respect that she yeah she had a premonition about a premonition.
00:55:15
Kevin Dougherty
So she doesn't... so lifting Yeah.
00:55:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so she's trying to figure out
00:55:22
Brandon
They never did that in anything any of the other movies.
00:55:24
Kevin Dougherty
she's trying to figure out ah who dies next in the bloodline of like each person that had survived that original uh accident and it links to the other movies and them all dying yeah and yeah okay and and the grandmother and figured out a way to like you know look for the signs for a death coming after them and nobody else does that and im and in any other movies either
00:55:33
Brandon
Yeah.
00:55:36
Brandon
Yeah, because they do that in every other movie. Yeah, I get that.
00:55:50
Brandon
Except for Allie Wartor, who realizes that she's fucked either way.
00:55:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, she really...
00:55:58
Brandon
She sees all these signs, and she knows that the only way she can, like, save herself is to lock herself in the mental hospital because when she was out in the world everything was coming out or she realized that everything was a sign that that's what she talks about in the second film she's like I realized that there's a zero-sum game out there everything I did everything I touched You know, like in the original film when he goes and locks himself in a cabin death that's very reminiscent of the cabin that um and that the grandmother is locked in in the newest film.
00:56:43
Brandon
He goes and locks himself in like a secluded shack in the middle of nowhere. And if you remember at one point, like he has an encounter with a fish hook and he's like, ooh, tetanus.
00:56:56
Brandon
Almost forgot about this one. And that's kind of like what Allie Larder talks about in the second film. And she's like, I realized that death was just constantly always around me.
00:57:10
Brandon
And this was the only way I was going to be able to do it. She basically said everything was a sign. Like every moment that she was out there, anything that like her stepping on a twig could make her slip and break.
00:57:24
Brandon
You know what I mean? That's what she tells the group because they go to find her. And they're like, oh, shit. Like, one person did survive and she's in this mental hospital.
00:57:36
Brandon
And that's what she basically describes to them. So, I mean, that's just the way i took it. But, like, I don't I just – the story in this movie just didn't entice me.
00:57:49
Kevin Dougherty
Oh yeah, well yeah, I just, I completely agree with you. man um'm just Maybe not explaining my point very well, but whatever. Yeah.
00:57:57
Brandon
No, i hear I hear totally what you're saying. like i
00:58:00
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:58:01
Brandon
But I mean, I guess i what I'm saying is like everything that happened in this movie I felt has been done before.
00:58:09
Kevin Dougherty
Oh yeah, well, that's, I mean, that's kind whole thing, is it's gonna keep happening, but I mean, the biggest difference is that the
00:58:10
Brandon
That was the point I was trying
00:58:19
Kevin Dougherty
the younger girl did not have a premonition of of what was going to happen is is is the big thing in this one. She only had that flashback. She never had the premonition of a big disaster.
00:58:32
Kevin Dougherty
So the whole time she's trying to figure out who's dying next in the timeline of who survived from the original is what I'm saying. That's the biggest difference between that and all the other ones.
00:58:44
Brandon
Yeah, she has a premonition of a premonition.
00:58:45
Kevin Dougherty
You know what I'm saying? Well, she has a flash she has a ah flashback really of that permonition premonition because a premonition is something happens in the future something that's gonna happen she doesn't have a premonition
00:58:59
Brandon
Mm-hmm.
00:59:02
Brandon
So, you're saying, like, that the big difference in this film that sets it aside from the other films is that she has a premonition of the past. And she has a premonition of a premonition that happened in the past rather than a premonition that happens in the future.
00:59:24
Brandon
ah
00:59:25
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:59:25
Brandon
I guess I'm just not following. I'm not picking up what you're putting down.
00:59:30
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:59:30
Brandon
i guess I don't understand.
00:59:30
Kevin Dougherty
um a premonition is something that happens in the future that's going to happen you can't have a premonition of past yes yes
00:59:35
Brandon
Yes, I understand the definition of point.
00:59:40
Brandon
What I mean is, is she has a flashback to her grandmother having a premonition.
00:59:48
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yes
00:59:49
Brandon
And she is basically then having,
00:59:56
Brandon
based on the flashback, God, it's just such a bad story. Based on her grandmother's premonitions, She then develops like her own idea of, I don't know, fuck it.
01:00:13
Kevin Dougherty
No, because then she start then she figures out that like that the people that had survived that, that were supposed to die, that she saw in her grandmother's premonition, have gone on to live lives and have children and their branches have broken off, and but then she finds her grandmother's notebook of her tracking all of that and linking every single person to being killed.
01:00:39
Kevin Dougherty
And like how they've ah how death has caught up with all of them, so she kind of you know hides in the uh in the thing and the granddaughters figured out who's dying in their family next before it gets to her and how she can stop it but the her parents her her parents don't want her to talk to the grandmother because your grandmother's insane like you don't worry about it but then sure enough everybody starts dying in the family
01:01:03
Brandon
Yeah.
01:01:04
Kevin Dougherty
so let's
01:01:05
Brandon
Yeah.
01:01:05
Kevin Dougherty
The story made sense. It's just not that great of a story, but it is a big difference than what happens in all the previous stories is what I'm getting at.
01:01:13
Brandon
Yeah. um Yeah, I agree with that. It's definitely different than what happens in all the previous stories. I just was, like, hoping that the movie would be, like, good.
01:01:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:01:24
Brandon
Like, I just thought, like, that...
01:01:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:01:27
Kevin Dougherty
The deaths weren't as memorable to me besides the opening one.
01:01:28
Brandon
I guess...
01:01:31
Kevin Dougherty
And then I remember like, Yeah, I remember the garbage truck one, and then like, oh, maybe the ah one that you see in the trailers with the the ice, where he breaks the glass in the ice, and then he's like on the trampoline, and then all this other, that the whole the one in the backyard barbecue one is the only i one the other one I remember, even somewhat, because of the because it's in the trailers.
01:01:31
Brandon
Other than the intro, like the movie was just shit.
01:01:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:01:56
Brandon
I remember the death where Other than that, I remember the death, like, um I guess my favorite was the death with the, um i don't know what the fuck you call it, the CT scan thing where the guy gets sucked into it.
01:02:17
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah.
01:02:20
Brandon
I like that. Otherwise, um i just didn't like anything else.
01:02:23
Kevin Dougherty
they did They did do that one. I did see behind-the-scenes one where they were doing that practically as well. You know, as much as possible before they added the obvious CGI.
01:02:31
Brandon
Oh, really?
01:02:34
Kevin Dougherty
am But like the guy was like tied up to it, and they had him there and everything.
01:02:34
Brandon
thank Yeah, yeah.
01:02:38
Kevin Dougherty
And then like you know obviously did effects over top of that. But yeah, I thought that was a really interesting one as well. I almost forgot about that one. Which actually happened to somebody in real life because they didn't, you know, take shit out of their pockets or whatever.
01:02:53
Kevin Dougherty
And they got fucking sucked in to a fucking machine and died.
01:02:58
Brandon
I've never heard that happening.
01:03:00
Kevin Dougherty
ah came out after the movie. I'll have to send you the link to that.
01:03:03
Brandon
Where it happened like genuinely like that, like where they get like ripped apart and stuff like that, or they just get in the machine and have an accident while they're in the machine because they didn't remove their like jewelry or whatever.
01:03:06
Kevin Dougherty
Well, not exactly like that, but.
01:03:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, let's see. It was in...
01:03:23
Kevin Dougherty
yeah after a weight training chain that he had around his neck, he was like sucked into the into the device.
01:03:32
Brandon
Oh, he was not in the device and it pulled him in.
01:03:36
Kevin Dougherty
He was not in it. His wife was in the and um MRI machine to scan her knee in a clinic.
01:03:42
Brandon
Yeah.
01:03:47
Kevin Dougherty
died after the after the device forcibly pulled him in.
01:03:52
Brandon
Wow. but And where did this happen?
01:03:55
Kevin Dougherty
In Long Island? In New York?
01:03:58
Brandon
So he his wife was in the machine, and he's just in the room, and it just pulled him in and killed him.
01:04:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because like he was like... ah they were like she he She called him in to like help him help her get up from the table. And you know i guess like
01:04:17
Brandon
Man, that's a massive fucking lawsuit there because...
01:04:18
Kevin Dougherty
it it was like a 20-pound chain that he was like wearing. And he was like sucked into it by the by magnetic force.
01:04:29
Brandon
He should have been allowed in that room.
01:04:31
Kevin Dougherty
No, he shouldn't have been.
01:04:33
Brandon
That's probably like a massive lawsuit. Like, I would think so. that's I never heard anything about that. like So he gets like sucked in and crushed and ripped.
01:04:43
Brandon
Did she die, too?
01:04:45
Kevin Dougherty
No, she ah she's still alive. But ah yeah, I don't know.
01:04:48
Brandon
So she was like in there fine and like he got like sucked in and like ripped up in there and she was ah like, he was getting like got suck and there turned into like, like he was like liquefied.
01:04:59
Kevin Dougherty
Like, they don't have video, so it's...
01:05:05
Kevin Dougherty
It said he got pulled into the machine and then he was like, you know, stuck... You know, because the the chain was like stuck to the machine for an hour before they can release the chain from the machine.
01:05:15
Brandon
And he had a 20 pound chain that he was like holding?
01:05:15
Kevin Dougherty
so
01:05:20
Kevin Dougherty
He was wearing around his neck.
01:05:20
Brandon
or like.
01:05:23
Brandon
He's wearing a 20 pound. Oh. Alright. So it's like a Jesus piece or something.
01:05:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:05:28
Brandon
Okay.
01:05:29
Kevin Dougherty
It was like, it was a King Tut piece.
01:05:31
Brandon
The King Tut piece. ah
01:05:34
Kevin Dougherty
I'll send you the articles. You can look at it after we get off the air. But, uh, oops. uh yeah so yeah that happened um uh that happened shortly after the movie came out so uh anyway uh moving on uh that's all i really have with the final destination movies i mean we we can't really get into every kill because they're all fucking too intricate yeah
01:05:59
Brandon
No, there's so ah there's a lot of good ones. um But like I said, I mean, i just thought that the newest movie was shit except for the intro. like If I was going to watch this movie again, if was going to recommend you watching it,
01:06:16
Brandon
which I wouldn't, I would just recommend like watching the intro and then turning it off.
01:06:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. unless you
01:06:22
Brandon
that's That's what I would do.
01:06:24
Kevin Dougherty
um unless you're doing Unless you're doing a marathon and you want to watch all of them before 7 comes out in what, like probably two years?
01:06:24
Brandon
i
01:06:33
Brandon
yeah Yeah.
01:06:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:06:35
Brandon
Two or three years would be like... it Well, I mean, it was like 13, 14 years between like the fifth and sixth one, so all we know...
01:06:45
Brandon
like You know, there may not be another one. There could be, like, another decade before.
01:06:49
Kevin Dougherty
I...
01:06:51
Brandon
Unless you have, like, knowledge that, like, the next one is already in the mix.
01:06:57
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, I guess you weren't listening to me earlier when I mentioned that they're already writing the seven coming out with the same with one of the same writers from bloodline.
01:07:01
Brandon
I did not hear you. No.
01:07:05
Brandon
No, I didn't realize that at all.
01:07:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:08
Brandon
Um, so there, there, there's a new one that's like already in the works and, uh, yeah, ah hopefully the newest one.
01:07:09
Kevin Dougherty
So it's probably only a bean. It's already right. Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:17
Brandon
I mean, like, like I said, you know, I don't watch these for stories, but like, I was just hoping for like something like somewhat decent, but, uh, like after the intro, like,
01:07:31
Brandon
none of the kills were really memorable except for like the MRI machine for me. Like, you know, that sequence was cool. And like, you know, the thing going through the guy's head and everything like aside from like that, like one sequence, like the movie was just not memorable to me.
01:07:51
Brandon
I didn't think that the acting was like of like very good quality or caliber. I didn't like the cast. Um, yeah. Uh, So for me, like, I would just watch, like, the introduction, enjoy it and then turn the movie off.
01:08:08
Brandon
I just don't think it was worth it. Even if you are doing a marathon, like, I just thought that the movie was really, really bad after the introduction.
01:08:18
Kevin Dougherty
I think they're all about roughly the same quality, honestly, but whatever.
01:08:20
Brandon
No.
01:08:23
Kevin Dougherty
ah But again, yeah, you only watch it for the kills, but yeah.
01:08:27
Brandon
Yeah, true that.
01:08:28
Kevin Dougherty
Anything else?
01:08:30
Brandon
No, I mean, yeah.
01:08:34
Kevin Dougherty
All right. Well then, thanks for joining me. ah Thanks for listening to everybody. ah Follow us on social media, on the Facebook group, and we'll see you next time, or you'll hear us next time anyway.
01:08:49
Kevin Dougherty
Peace.