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Dexter Resurrection part 1
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We discuss the first 5 episodes of the new Dexter series on Showtime
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Introduction to Fright Central and Dexter Resurrection
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Kevin Dougherty
All right, welcome back to Fright Central. I'm Doc, back here again, as always, with Keck, and we talk all things horror. ah Tonight, we're going to talk about the first five episodes of Dexter Resurrection. We're going to something a little different.
News: Crystal Lake Series Casting
00:00:32
Kevin Dougherty
um But first, I do have Friday the 13th news. ah They cast the young Jason for the Crystal Lake series. He's going to played by a the Chucky star, ah who is in the last season of...
00:00:47
Kevin Dougherty
um
00:00:47
Brandon
what Fucking Chucky Starr.
00:00:50
Kevin Dougherty
He was in the last season of ah the Chucky season, season three. He played like the president's son.
Confusion with Child's Play Series and Movie
00:00:57
Kevin Dougherty
Oh.
00:00:57
Brandon
You know, I was looking for the Child's Play um series today. Because you had told me i should check it out. And i was like disheartened because I guess...
00:01:13
Brandon
I looked for it. I could not find it And I ended up actually watching the latest Child's Play movie, which came out in 2019.
00:01:24
Brandon
Well, yeah, i' know no, no, no.
00:01:26
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, the remake with the AI. Yeah.
00:01:30
Brandon
Well, I thought that I had seen the latest Child's Play movie, but I had not because the latest one has Aubrey Plaza in And the one I saw before that was, i guess, two years before.
00:01:46
Brandon
And
Chucky Series Overview and Critique
00:01:47
Brandon
I think it was like the cult of Chucky. And i remember that being like the same thing. Or maybe I'm confused and I watched the same child's play twice. I don't know.
00:02:00
Brandon
um I didn't think either of them were very good, um but i was the whole reason I um was looking for it was I was trying to find the Child's Play series, and I couldn't find it Oh,
00:02:13
Kevin Dougherty
It's under Chucky. It was on ah Peacock.
00:02:17
Brandon
okay. It was just under...
00:02:18
Kevin Dougherty
So if you're looking up you you like on a Child's Play, you're not going to find it.
00:02:20
Brandon
Yeah, I thought that...
00:02:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's the problem.
00:02:23
Brandon
Okay, I am going to look into that, and now I'm not going to sidebar anymore on the the Child's Play movies, because I think we can both say they've been universally terrible, but I am going to check out that series.
00:02:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, it's it's definitely a horror comedy.
Child's Play Remake and Series Continuation
00:02:41
Brandon
Yeah.
00:02:41
Kevin Dougherty
It's not as hard, but I really liked a lot of the kills in that show, even if, like, the the main cast, their story was kind of dumb and shit. It's just Chucky.
00:02:49
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:50
Kevin Dougherty
You know, I watched it for Chucky and his fucking, you know, his wit and his murders. And so...
00:02:56
Brandon
Yeah, well, I mean, i will say this about, well, I mean, the reboots were very, very, well, I mean, at least the AI one, I mean, it didn't have, well, fuck I'm not going to get it, this is going to lead into an analysis of the child's play movies, and they don't deserve it, but yeah, it was, it i hear what you're saying, it was upsetting in the sense that, like,
00:02:57
Kevin Dougherty
and for
00:03:22
Brandon
the story of Chucky is a man who like, you know, uses his like voodoo demonic ah powers to go into, it was never supposed to be a story about AI.
00:03:35
Brandon
Like, you know, I mean, that kind of goes against the whole premise and like, yeah, Chucky, I mean, with the the bride of Chucky, I think there was the seed of Chucky, like, you know, what you when Jennifer Tilly got involved, it, it,
00:03:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yep. yeah
00:03:45
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:03:49
Brandon
it kind of like delved into like the comedy the horror realm. So, you know what mean? that That was always supposed to be a little bit of a part of it. I have no idea why they decided to go the AI route, but, know.
00:04:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, luckily this one, pick that the Chucky series picks up after the last one, like which I think was called the Chucky.
Reflection on Child's Play Franchise
00:04:08
Kevin Dougherty
It ignores the AI one. So you get...
00:04:10
Brandon
Give me the power, I beg of you! so
00:04:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, you get, like, the, ah you know, you get the cast back and stuff. so even little Andy is is, you know, all grown up and he's back and everything, too.
00:04:21
Brandon
Yeah.
00:04:21
Kevin Dougherty
So, I mean, his part's interesting. It's just, like, the main core kids group is kind of like, oh, just kill these kids already, you what I mean? But, like,
00:04:30
Brandon
I think Child's Play 3, he goes to military school.
00:04:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and was ah but kids are playing like paintball and he kills them.
00:04:35
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah
00:04:40
Kevin Dougherty
What was surprising about this was that, ah again, we've already sidebarred way too much on this, but... Yeah.
00:04:48
Brandon
it's just I didn't realize how many child's playing movies there actually were.
00:04:53
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:04:54
Brandon
And that kind of caught me.
00:04:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, ah he like they didn't really... like All the kills in this aren't... like dumbed down or like hidden like that's in your face still which is great which is part of the Chucky series it's like that really gory in your face shit that like they're not trying to like you know shy away from so which I appreciate it yeah
00:05:08
Brandon
yeah
00:05:14
Brandon
I remember Child's Play, too. Like, being like, I was just like, damn, like, I should not be watching this at my age.
00:05:23
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:05:25
Brandon
if i remember thinking that, but anyway.
00:05:31
Kevin Dougherty
yeah But yeah, moving on, the the kid who plays the president's son in the third season is cast as a young Jason. um
00:05:39
Brandon
that Wait, ah the kid who, oh, from the Child's, okay, gotcha.
00:05:43
Kevin Dougherty
child smell From Chucky, yes.
00:05:45
Brandon
watching.
00:05:46
Kevin Dougherty
And then the other Friday the 13th news I had, which came out of Comic-Con, is that they are both working on a new movie and a video game.
Friday the 13th and Dexter Recap
00:05:55
Kevin Dougherty
And I don't know how far into development they are, but they said Yes, we're getting both of them. So who knows when that's happening?
00:06:05
Kevin Dougherty
It just said new sequel movie, new sequel game. so But, I mean, the fact that they say new sequel movie, does that mean we're getting Jason 11? Or what?
00:06:17
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know.
00:06:17
Brandon
hello I mean, it's going to be at least five years before it comes out. Like, it's going to be, there's going to be drama and it'll probably get canceled or something will happen.
00:06:22
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, sure. We'll definitely get...
00:06:30
Brandon
like Like, it'll be, like, filmed and it'll be, like, a week away. And then, like, i don't know, Cunningham or somebody will file, like, some kind of motion just to fuck with everybody.
00:06:42
Brandon
Like, you know, I mean, like, and, like, that shit will get, like, it'll be, like, fully filmed, like, ready to come out, maybe even, like, a trailer, and then the trailer will get pulled, and, like, it'll just be, like, in limbo for years or something like that.
00:07:00
Brandon
That's what I predict will happen.
00:07:00
Kevin Dougherty
yeah it'll definitely be after the crystal lake series that we're definitely getting
00:07:06
Brandon
That we're definitely maybe getting.
00:07:14
Kevin Dougherty
Anyway, moving on. ah So Dexter, Resurrection. So if you're not familiar with Dexter or you didn't know it was coming back, Dexter ended it really terribly.
00:07:25
Brandon
You're probably not a horror fan.
00:07:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, Dexter ended really badly. And then it came back years later with Dexter New Blood, which was a good return. But I didn't I didn't think it ended that great either. But it was still a nice return and a better ending one than what we previously got.
00:07:42
Kevin Dougherty
And then recently we had ah talked about this, uh, Dexter original sin, which was the prequel series with Michael C hall coming back as, uh, you know, the voice, uh, the inner voice of Dexter with the younger cast.
00:07:54
Kevin Dougherty
And now they just released at least the first five episodes of Dexter resurrection, where he comes back from his coma that he was in from the end of last season.
00:08:05
Kevin Dougherty
And he's in New York city following his son. And, uh,
00:08:10
Brandon
Can you remind me, did we ah do a cast on the Origins? ah
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Kevin Dougherty
original sin.
00:08:20
Brandon
that
00:08:20
Kevin Dougherty
I believe we did. Yeah.
Dexter Original Sin and Resurrection
00:08:22
Kevin Dougherty
I think we did.
00:08:22
Brandon
um Original, so I don't know why I keep calling it Origins, I'm just going to do that.
00:08:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. It's origin.
00:08:27
Brandon
Yeah.
00:08:27
Kevin Dougherty
I do the same thing. I say origins all the time. I'm like, it's the original sin. I forget.
00:08:31
Brandon
Original Sin.
00:08:32
Kevin Dougherty
But, uh,
00:08:32
Brandon
I know we did New Blood. I could not remember whether or not we actually did a cast. If we just like ah like briefly like stepped done like you know on the story or if ah we actually sat down and had like a comprehensive discussion.
00:08:51
Brandon
I couldn't remember.
00:08:53
Kevin Dougherty
think we did a full cast, but I'd have to go back.
00:08:56
Brandon
I feel like we would have, but yeah.
00:08:56
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:08:58
Brandon
na yeah yeah Anyway, Christian Slater is fantastic.
00:08:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:09:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yes. ah But yeah, this one ah brings back James Remar as Dexter's father, as the ah the inner voice.
00:09:10
Brandon
yeah
00:09:10
Kevin Dougherty
And it's also in like, while he's in the coma, well, well that's what Dexter original sin was, was him being you know, having these memories while he was in the coma, because that's how the beginning started out.
00:09:23
Kevin Dougherty
And it takes you back to like his origin.
00:09:23
Brandon
yeah
00:09:26
Kevin Dougherty
And then it comes back again. And now he's, I think they said he's been in a coma for like 10 weeks. And ah while he's in the coma, he's having dreams and he and you get John Lithgow back and you get, oh, who else?
00:09:40
Brandon
They're very, well, for hold hold on.
00:09:41
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, very brief. Yeah.
00:09:43
Brandon
You don't really get John Lithgow back.
00:09:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:09:47
Brandon
You get John Lithgow for a very brief cameo or two.
00:09:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I'm just talking about trust for those just for that like you know coma sequence.
00:09:52
Brandon
here Okay, yeah gotcha, gotcha.
00:09:57
Kevin Dougherty
You get them back very briefly, yes.
00:09:59
Brandon
Gotcha.
00:09:59
Kevin Dougherty
ah And you got dokes and Jimmy Smits. It's
00:10:04
Brandon
Was Dokes and Jimmy Smith, like, was that actually them making cameo? Or, like, the Dokes, I couldn't tell if Dokes was, like, just, like, a bunch of shit cut together from, like, the old Dexter.
00:10:19
Brandon
Or if, like, they actually had the actor on there.
00:10:20
Kevin Dougherty
true.
00:10:23
Brandon
Because, like... from, he was there so briefly, like, I could easily see them just, like, cutting together, like, old footage and stuff like that, and having him in there, he looked really good, like, the actor didn't look, he still looked like he was in really good shape, I haven't seen him in anything much other than Dexter that I know him from, but, like, yeah, he looked He looked like he had not aged much at all. So I was wondering if like, um you know, it was just like cut together stuff.
00:10:57
Brandon
Same thing with Jimmy Smith. Like, I think it was just like cut together, but I i can't tell, you know.
00:11:03
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, they have them listed as notable guest stars on like the, on the Wikipedia.
00:11:06
Brandon
Yeah. Well, their footage was used, so they have to do that.
00:11:10
Kevin Dougherty
So it may be, yeah.
00:11:10
Brandon
Yeah.
00:11:12
Kevin Dougherty
ah But yeah, it was definitely Lithgow coming back and, you know, recording new stuff.
00:11:16
Brandon
yeah
00:11:17
Kevin Dougherty
that That's definitely different. The other stuff, yeah, I think it might've just been ah ah scenes from um the earlier stuff, but I'm not really sure either.
00:11:24
Brandon
Yeah, regardless, regardless, it was cool.
00:11:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. But yeah, so then like, I liked how he ah woke up and, you know, the the doctor kind of explained how he survived with, like, sub-zero weather and, like, his so his heart slowed and he didn't bleed out.
00:11:43
Kevin Dougherty
And you were saying that you didn't like that.
00:11:47
Brandon
No, I mean, it was because he was shot nearly point-blank range with a.308 ball action rifle.
00:11:47
Kevin Dougherty
That they overexploded overexploded it. over
00:11:54
Brandon
um I own one of those rifles. I see what that would do to a tree at that range. um I just do not believe that he would survive a direct shot to the heart.
00:12:11
Brandon
um It's not really a matter of blood loss at that point as your heart would be destroyed. So I realize the cold would have an effect on like preserving you and definitely would like bode in your favor with like a gunshot, especially having a cop right there to immediately rush you to the hospital. Although...
00:12:36
Brandon
It didn't really seem like at the end of Dexter, uh, new blood that he was emerging. It looked like she was like pondering ah for a while.
00:12:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, they...
00:12:45
Brandon
Like it looked like he was just going to lay there.
00:12:50
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:12:50
Brandon
But, uh, you know, of course that wouldn't have worked for the other reboot ideas, I guess. So, uh, yeah. um I, I just didn't like it because I would have rather than just be like, yo,
00:12:59
Kevin Dougherty
yeah they
00:13:06
Brandon
This shit is ridiculous. There's no way you would have lived. So let's just like kind of ignore how you're still here.
00:13:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, they do say it's kind of, yeah, I mean, they do say it is kind of, they were like, you've you've miraculously survived this, like, yeah, so, but, i yeah, like I mean, moving past that, like, I mean, I'm glad they've kind of gone back and and at least tried to give, like, some explanation, instead of just being like, oh, hey, I'm back for no reason, you what I mean, like, guess guess what, I survived, at least, like, that they have, like,
00:13:13
Brandon
I would have preferred they were more vague on it.
00:13:20
Brandon
Yeah.
00:13:35
Brandon
I would have preferred that.
00:13:37
Kevin Dougherty
yeah um i'd I'd rather prefer them come in with ah at least some explanation. I also like how he had gone back and like when Batista comes to like be like, oh, hey, ah I'm the one that like wrote off that you were dead because like we you went you your body was never found or whatever.
Dexter's Survival and Series Continuity
00:13:55
Kevin Dougherty
We thought you all died.
00:13:56
Kevin Dougherty
And like I liked how he explained um Dexter explains. I like, oh, yeah, like when like he was so like heartbroken or whatever. So he just took a sister and girl if he was intending to kill himself.
00:14:07
Kevin Dougherty
And then the boat flipped and like he's, he managed to survive. We couldn't find finder body. i don't know. I kind of liked, i kind of enjoyed those touches of of that, of, of him, ah you know, kind of them kind of explaining, Hey, Hey, we know this, this season was bad.
00:14:24
Kevin Dougherty
the The ending was bad when I just drove off into that hurricane. But like here, let me try to give you some context for, for what it was to hike, you know, kind of like retroactively making it somewhat better.
00:14:37
Kevin Dougherty
If they had just ended there and we never got any of this, yeah, it would be a fucking terrible season. And i still don't want to really go back and watch that last season. Like, I couldn't even remember who the killers were.
00:14:47
Kevin Dougherty
i remember the Barrel Girls one being a good season, but i don't remember how that ended.
00:14:52
Brandon
I do. um I actually went back and re-watched all the seasons of Dexter, um not knowing that New Blood was actually coming out.
00:15:04
Brandon
It just it just happened that I decided to go back and watch Dexter.
00:15:09
Kevin Dougherty
ah so that was be So before New Blood even came out, you did that.
00:15:12
Brandon
Yeah, I had just watched, like, i guess right, like,
00:15:13
Kevin Dougherty
Okay.
00:15:20
Brandon
I would say I was in the season six, one with Hanks' kid. And Edward James on it.
00:15:27
Kevin Dougherty
Son of Thanks.
00:15:28
Brandon
Yeah, so Hanks.
00:15:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:15:32
Brandon
have no idea what the fucking... I don't even know like what his first name is. He's just Hanks' kid.
00:15:40
Kevin Dougherty
hey call It's Colin Hanks.
00:15:40
Brandon
So was in Hanks. um And yeah, that was season six. I remember it was right around there that you had said you had told me, like, yo, ah New Blood had has, I believe you had told me that it had finished filming and it was like set to be released in like a few months.
00:16:04
Brandon
And I was like, oh, that's kind of awesome because, like, I just so happened to be rewatching Dexter. And, yeah, no, the last season I thought was, like, solid up until the ending.
00:16:16
Brandon
I mean, they had to close a lot of different story loopholes.
00:16:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:16:22
Brandon
You know, Deb dies at the very end. It's like the – I think she dies ah officially in the very last episode. She's like terribly injured the episode before the last. I think she might pull through.
00:16:37
Brandon
And then she dies in the very last. So everything like wraps up like real suddenly at the end. um And yeah, of course, that's history because we know that it was rated as one of the worst endings of any show in any genre.
00:16:55
Brandon
Like overwhelmingly, Dexter was up there with the worst of the worst endings. It was, you know, we go over this, but just bringing it back to Resurrection, I hear what you're saying, the things you liked, and I know I am in the vast minority because I was looking, this thing has been really well received by both users and critics, critic users, really all the same nowadays, but, uh,
00:17:01
Kevin Dougherty
So.
00:17:24
Brandon
It has something like a 9.2 rating on IMDb with like over 27,000 reviews and people love this show. Like it has been better received than any of the previous two reboots that I thought were much stronger.
00:17:44
Brandon
I find this to be just totally flat. Like I find it to be about as boring as boring can be. It's the pacing for me has been moving at a snail's crawl. And I just don't understand.
00:18:01
Brandon
I get it. Maybe if this was the first reboot they were doing where they were trying to reintroduce Dexter to a new audience of viewers who maybe weren't like privy to the earlier Dexter, because it had been so long, I could kind of understand them needing to like, uh,
00:18:23
Brandon
reestablish the story structure and like, you know, therefore reestablishing his character to a new audience. But like he's had two successful reboots right before. So everybody knows who Dexter is.
00:18:36
Brandon
I don't understand why things are moving so slowly. And I also just the story itself is just really flat to me.
00:18:49
Brandon
um And then
00:18:49
Kevin Dougherty
Really?
00:18:51
Brandon
I love Peter, what's last name?
00:18:54
Kevin Dougherty
Dinklage.
00:18:55
Brandon
Yeah, from Game of Thrones. I mean, my favorite character in Game of Thrones. I was really happy that he was going to be part of this. And, like, his eccentric, like, murder-fucking-serial-killer hard-on club with Uma Thurman as, like, the security...
00:19:15
Brandon
Nah, it just none of it works for me. I have disliked just about every single thing that they have done. And look, I get
Dexter's New York Challenges and Serial Killer Cabal
00:19:23
Brandon
it. I'm in the minority. um But yeah, just I have liked absolutely nothing.
00:19:30
Brandon
I can't think of one thing I've really liked about this reboot.
00:19:35
Kevin Dougherty
Really? ah Yeah, you were definitely because I love this so far. i think
00:19:39
Brandon
As did everybody else.
00:19:41
Kevin Dougherty
So like it's after he, you know, is back out of the coma, he goes to New York to, you know, find his son. He's not sure if he wants to, like, be in his son's life because he's pretty sure his son doesn't want him to be in his life.
00:19:56
Kevin Dougherty
But then he finds out that his son has ah killed somebody who was a ah sexual predator who was like about to rape some girl that he's now working at a hotel. And he's also like secretly like living there with the help of ah somebody else that works there that he's kind of have like somewhat of a relationship with.
00:20:15
Kevin Dougherty
And so he kills this guy and and chops him up into nine bags and throws him out. But like he gets they find the body at the pump.
00:20:25
Brandon
Like nine bags.
00:20:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. They find the body at the dump and and then Dexter hears about the news who he goes to make sure that like there's no evidence left behind. He finds like a little bit of blood spatter on the ceiling. And then like he finds out there's another serial killer in town that's actually using what he calls the dark passenger.
00:20:45
Kevin Dougherty
And it's somebody killing like Uber drivers, which I really.
00:20:48
Brandon
Yeah, he's actually a passenger.
00:20:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And he's like. He's like, fuck, I didn't think to copyright that name. like I like that when and he was like, oh shit, somebody's fucking... he When he hears like the sun the Dark Passenger for the first time, he's like, whoa, what the fuck?
00:21:02
Kevin Dougherty
like Somebody's fucking...
00:21:03
Brandon
Yeah, he takes that real seriously.
00:21:04
Kevin Dougherty
No, it's shit. yeah personally yeah I don't know. I like i like the this season a lot. I really like that. like It is kind of reintroducing him, but it's it's him completely out of his element. He's in New York now.
00:21:17
Kevin Dougherty
He doesn't have the resources he did at ah and that he did in Miami when he was working for the police. So he's got to find new ways to like, you know, hide his tracks and and figure out where he's putting the bodies and shit.
00:21:31
Kevin Dougherty
Like he's already, ah like he's already killed two people, not counting the one his son did. He's already got the dark passenger and now he's pretending to be the dark passenger guy to get into the cabal of Peter Dinklage.
00:21:48
Kevin Dougherty
So he has, he's like,
00:21:48
Brandon
Call me Red.
00:21:49
Kevin Dougherty
oh oh, he's like, oh, a murder buffet for me. I can just start ripping through. it like They're going to come to me. i don't have to go find these people, which I really like.
00:21:58
Brandon
Call me Red.
00:21:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. and I like Uma Thurman in this so far. ah um I did think the some of the other killers in the Cabal were really fucking corny, like the ponytail killer and the tattoo guy.
00:22:17
Kevin Dougherty
like I'm glad they fucking killed off
00:22:19
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, that, that, that I agree that it was good that they killed off the tattoo guy. Yeah, I thought I'm real glad.
00:22:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:29
Kevin Dougherty
Neil Patrick Harris. Yeah. I'm glad they killed him off immediately. Cause like he was his real dumb. And I'm glad he got like the tables turn on him. And then when like he he's like, Oh, but you're, you're just some like Uber driver killer. Like this isn't like your m MO or whatever.
00:22:47
Kevin Dougherty
And he, and when he tells him, he's like, no, I'm the Bay of Harbor butcher. Cause they all, cause What we didn't tell you was that Peter Dinklage not only like has a hard-on for like serial killers, but he has a whole like museum dedicated to all these serial killers, and he has each pieces of these items from these killers, and one of them is Dexter's slide thing, which I think he's going to try to get back at some point.
00:23:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:23:11
Brandon
Of course he's going to try back. to get that
00:23:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. ah
00:23:14
Brandon
Yeah, I think that he's going to try get that back.
00:23:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:23:18
Brandon
He's going to want that back.
00:23:20
Kevin Dougherty
So all I'm assuming all the other killers know who the Bay Harbor Butcher is, that they know he's a ah killer who kills serial killers.
00:23:25
Brandon
Yeah.
00:23:27
Kevin Dougherty
So when he tells Neil Patrick Harris that, because at first he's like, oh, he's like, whatever, just kill me and get it over with. And then when he's like, um I'm not fucking the dark bastard, I'm the Bay Harbor Butcher.
00:23:37
Kevin Dougherty
And he's like, oh, shit. I don't know.
00:23:40
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:41
Kevin Dougherty
I really like that. I'm glad they aren't doing what I thought they were going to do with Kristen Ritter as the Lady Vengeance. where like they were going to have like a relationship again, where it's like they've already done that in the past season. It clearly didn't work out.
00:23:55
Kevin Dougherty
And he's actually learned from that as well, where he's like, oh, once I realized that this chick is like... And then like I like how he used her to cover up for his son because his son was being investigated. And I think that's going to be interesting, whether Uma Thurman gets a chance to kill off or not.
00:24:14
Kevin Dougherty
Because one of the rules is that like you're not ah supposed to hurt or go against the rules of the cabal.
00:24:17
Brandon
Thank you.
00:24:22
Kevin Dougherty
So you're not supposed to like kill the other killers or whatever or like fuck their shit up at all. And if you go against the rules, then Uma Thurman's sent to fucking kill you. and ah So I like that.
00:24:33
Kevin Dougherty
where like They're fucking covering their tracks. So I don't know if they're actually going to get Christian Ritter out of jail or if they're going fucking have her get murdered in jail.
00:24:41
Brandon
It looked like she had like a very correct attitude with everything. like She knew the deal. like you know It's just like, you know look, I'll do the time.
00:24:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:52
Brandon
ah you know i'll spend the rest of my life in jail. I won't reveal your shit. like You know I'm good for it. i mean It seemed like she had the right attitude, but at the same time, with something as unbelievable as what like Peter Declage is trying to do or yeah whatever, I mean, I wouldn't take any risks.
00:25:13
Brandon
She'd be a dead, she'd be, you know, dead as a doorknob.
00:25:13
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:25:16
Brandon
But again, you're dealing with, like, sociopaths, you know. So for her, like, I don't know, it didn't seem like she would, you know, like, it appeared that, like, they had the reach to pretty much get to anybody anywhere.
00:25:33
Brandon
So if she did that, it I think it would pretty, she would know it would lead to her immediate death. And she seemed like kind of like egomaniacal. A lot serial killers once they are caught.
Character Exits and Series Improvements
00:25:48
Brandon
That's like sort of like for people like in real life. Like John Wayne Gacy at Kemper and stuff. This is represents like a transitional period in their life. It's like the second stage.
00:26:01
Brandon
Now they like you know chalk up the fame from prison. Son of Sam. Stuff like that. So at least... so at least I mean, don't know.
00:26:13
Brandon
Like I said, there's just nothing I liked.
00:26:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:16
Brandon
um The one thing i did, i guess if I was going to say something, I liked the actor that they got to play the Dark Passenger, and I wish he didn't get killed off immediately.
00:26:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:29
Kevin Dougherty
He was one of the more interesting serial killers and they kill him off just so he can take the place of him to get into the ball.
00:26:29
Brandon
Because...
00:26:34
Brandon
yeah I liked that actor.
00:26:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:36
Brandon
like I like that actor he was in.
00:26:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:39
Brandon
um he had a very memorable role in The Outsider. um He's been in a lot of like Stephen King things. He was in Ozark. He had a really great role in that.
00:26:53
Brandon
um I loved his role in The Outsider. He was the one in that ah you know the ah creature had like control of. And he was, like, murking everybody. And, you know, wound and he eventually commits suicide at the end.
00:27:08
Brandon
um And I was like, oh, cool. Like, at least this dude's in there. Like, you know, he'll be a good addition. And then Dexter murders him immediately. And I was like, fuck me.
00:27:17
Kevin Dougherty
good
00:27:20
Brandon
Like, that was the one thing I kind of liked is that dude. i don't know his name. But, like, i was like, all right well, he's in there. And he's a real fucking pumped up intense guy. So, and then Dexter kills him.
00:27:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:31
Brandon
And I was like, fuck me. So, I don't
00:27:34
Kevin Dougherty
Well, what do you think the last five episodes need to do to get you back on board with this? Or is it just like, at this point, it's lot of
00:27:41
Brandon
know. These would have to pick up pretty quickly. um I would say Peter Dickledge immediately. Kill Uma Thurman immediately. I'd like to see them both die quick.
00:27:54
Brandon
um and then introduce two other actors that have like a better faster paced I guess thing going maybe like uh some like killer hunters after Dexter or something like that and I would say things would have to get like a lot more gory I'd like to just see things like pick up, like, real chaotically and buck wildly, like they did back in, like, the original Dexter show, like, how things could get, like, they would be, like, tamed the first half of the episode, and then just go fucking buck wild at the end, like, you know, rooms full of blood and shit like that, I would need that, some good kills, maybe, um, just, you for the show to have a pulse for me, um,
00:28:45
Kevin Dougherty
I think it's really well paced, I mean, ah for my opinion from my perspective.
00:28:49
Brandon
I, yeah, look, like I said, I know I'm in the minority and maybe, but like, I, I'm only like, if it was not for the cast and me not like knowing we needed to cover this and me not knowing you were real into it, I would not even be watching this show.
00:28:50
Kevin Dougherty
so
00:28:55
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:29:06
Kevin Dougherty
That's funny, because like I think you like New Blood more than I did, because I just felt New Blood felt
00:29:10
Brandon
Yeah.
Appreciation for Christian Slater and Naming Strategy
00:29:12
Kevin Dougherty
more Sames-y
00:29:14
Kevin Dougherty
to me where this is actually like almost ah in a new direction in a way than the last one where like, I thought new blood was a good return and everything, but I think this season is better than new blood.
00:29:28
Brandon
I was impressed with New Blood because, and sorry interrupt you, I was just impressed with New Blood because Dexter, like we said, had one of the worst endings ever.
00:29:28
Kevin Dougherty
Uh, and I thought,
00:29:32
Kevin Dougherty
i' got more.
00:29:41
Brandon
Like, objectively, one of the worst endings.
00:29:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:29:44
Brandon
You know, even the creator said, you know, we know we failed the audience. ah And I was just impressed because I had very low expectations for So I just wanted to interject that.
00:29:57
Brandon
That was it.
00:29:57
Kevin Dougherty
And then I guess after you had saw Original Sin and really liked that, you already had high expectations for this and it's not delivering for you.
00:30:02
Brandon
Yeah.
00:30:06
Brandon
Well, I mean, the one thing about Original Sin that I said to you in discussion, i don't know if I said it in the cast or if we did the cast or not, like I said.
00:30:20
Brandon
I'm a little little hazy on that, but... um Christian Slater was, ah i really like Christian Slater, and I thought he was like really brilliant it. So that's what, if it wasn't for Christian Slater, I might not have even watched Original Sin.
00:30:39
Brandon
So i I just really like Christian Slater in that, and I thought it was really good. So I wouldn't say that that really rose my expectations, because I didn't know Resurrection was even coming out. I thought it was going to be like New Blood Season 2 because it picks up right after.
00:30:59
Brandon
that, but, like, I guess they're just giving it, like, a different subtitle. I guess it technically is season two, and they're just gonna do a different subtitle, rather than, say, Dexter and New Blood season two. It's now Dexter, whatever the fuck it is, Resurrection.
00:31:14
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:31:14
Brandon
So, um, you know, I would have just gone with, like, you know, New Blood season two, but, uh, you know, obviously they didn't do it.
00:31:22
Kevin Dougherty
i think i think resurrection is a good name for it since he like did die pretty much at the late last season yeah well uh i did also read that um
00:31:26
Brandon
Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, there's nothing I like. I don't like get anything. Hold this.
00:31:35
Kevin Dougherty
that they talked to ah Michael C. Hall about three seasons, but I don't know if that includes Original Sin or if that's where he's also doing the voice for it.
00:31:47
Kevin Dougherty
So, because we already know, because we already know there there's already a season two Original Sin coming out.
00:31:47
Brandon
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:31:52
Kevin Dougherty
So I don't know if this is, I mean, I think this season has been so popular as long as they can end this well, I think they'll do another season because it's been really well received.
00:31:52
Brandon
yeah
00:32:00
Brandon
I think so, too.
00:32:03
Kevin Dougherty
So I think they'll do another season, but I think each season will have a different subtitle. I don't think it'll be, I don't think it'll be resurrection season two.
00:32:08
Brandon
Yeah.
00:32:10
Kevin Dougherty
I think it'll be something else.
00:32:12
Brandon
ah Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree. That wouldn't, I mean, that would just be ridiculous. Why would they call it Resurrection Season 2? If they weren't going to call it New Blood Season 2, they're not going to call it Resurrection Season 2.
00:32:24
Kevin Dougherty
No. Yeah.
00:32:26
Brandon
That just wouldn't make sense. I mean, especially if it's a direct continuation.
00:32:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
Dexter's Relationship with His Son and Series Hopes
00:32:32
Kevin Dougherty
ah The other thing I liked was even though that like his, even though his kid does kill somebody in this season, he is like wrought with guilt like throughout it.
00:32:32
Brandon
So...
00:32:43
Kevin Dougherty
And he's like almost about to like go to the cops to tell him before Dexter like reveals it it. Oh, I've still been alive. Like we need to have this conversation. And he's like, I will carry that guilt for you.
00:32:55
Kevin Dougherty
So I really like, he's like, I just want you to be like in my life. I'm not like, I realized my mistake. Like you aren't, you know, you aren't the next So I'm not going to train you that way.
00:33:06
Kevin Dougherty
So like, but I still want you in my life and shit like that. Like, I like, I like that. He's actually getting some type of like, you know, because he's always been like this, you know, cold, like I just need a family as cover type of thing.
00:33:14
Brandon
That's fair. That's fair.
00:33:23
Kevin Dougherty
And like, that's why he was following Lithgow to be like, I want to be better at that. And then like now he's like, well, i've and I've learned from the mistakes of like and getting too close to my killer and not just taking them out. and he And you can see that he's learned from that in this season by taking them out as soon as he can. And so far in what looks to seem like a smart way to do it too.
00:33:45
Kevin Dougherty
Where, I mean, him driving around New York with body parts in his trunk, even if he is an Uber driver, like you really are are testing the ah chances getting pulled over there.
00:33:57
Kevin Dougherty
But I guess if you think about it,
00:33:57
Brandon
Yeah.
00:33:58
Kevin Dougherty
He also did that in Miami where he was driving around body parts of his trunk to get on a boat to go out. So it's not that ridiculous, but um yeah, I, yes,
00:34:08
Brandon
Yeah, in Miami though, he also had law enforcement credentials though.
00:34:12
Kevin Dougherty
yes.
00:34:13
Brandon
So, I mean, if he ever got pulled over, I mean, the cops really have to have a heart on the search him.
00:34:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Or I,
00:34:19
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:34:20
Brandon
You know, he would have to do something real buck wild.
00:34:20
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:34:22
Brandon
Like they would have to be like dead body parts visible.
00:34:22
Kevin Dougherty
where
00:34:25
Kevin Dougherty
i mean if dokes pulled him over would fucking just run through it yeah i do also like uh they brought batista back in this uh i like hunting dexter down because he believes that dexter is the bay harbor butcher and i liked how they worked him back to the series more you do get to see uh masuka and i forget that other guy's name
00:34:29
Brandon
Yeah. but
00:34:48
Brandon
Quinn. Pierre Quinn.
00:34:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, ah you do get to see them and ah briefly in one episode, and I was kind of hoping they would like join Baptiste in the hunt for him or something, but just because I want to see those characters again.
00:35:00
Kevin Dougherty
so yeah, I don't know. I just i think ah Michael C. Hall does a really good job as Dexter, so I enjoy watching him. So, like, if they keep doing this, I'll keep watching. So that's kind of how I feel.
00:35:10
Brandon
Yeah. ah seems It seems like that's the popular view. Yeah.
00:35:17
Kevin Dougherty
And ah so that's all I got for this season, ah for the first five episodes. I don't know if you any more add, but we will be back.
00:35:26
Brandon
No.
00:35:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:35:31
Brandon
I've said my piece. Like I said, I know I'm in the minority. um i do hope that the season improves, it for nothing else, like just so like I'm not like force-feeding myself it. I'd like to enjoy it. like I've been trying to want to enjoy it, but like I've already had to re-watch.
00:35:52
Brandon
I've actually watched there's five episodes and I've had the rewatched three of them because I've fallen asleep multiple times. Like, or app actually, excuse me.
00:36:07
Brandon
I only fell asleep once. The other two times i just realized like I watched it and I just had to like go back and rewatch it. Cause like, I guess I just spaced out and start just thinking of other things.
00:36:21
Brandon
Like, Like I said, it's been really difficult for me to like train my thought onto it. Fuck I don't like anything. fuck i don't like
00:36:33
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I hope they can turn you around on this. I'm definitely, I hope they don't turn me around and fucking end up with a shitty ending again, but.
00:36:43
Brandon
I just want it to be bearable. I just want to enjoy it. So, you know, we'll see what happens. Like I said, you know, hope I hope i hope that they turn it around for me too.
00:36:53
Kevin Dougherty
Well, maybe in five weeks, we'll find out when we come back and do our other five episodes, the last five on Dexter.
00:37:00
Brandon
We'll say. I am not full to my breath.
00:37:01
Kevin Dougherty
all right.
00:37:03
Brandon
ah perfect
00:37:03
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:37:04
Brandon
But thank you for joining us nonetheless.
00:37:05
Kevin Dougherty
All right. Well, thanks for joining us. Thanks for joining me and thanks for listening and we'll be back. Follow us on social medias.
00:37:16
Kevin Dougherty
Peace.