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The Monkey
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We talk news and Osgood Perkins' The Monkey (recorded in April)
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00:00:18
Kevin Dougherty
All right, welcome back to Friday Central. I'm Doc, back here again as always with Keck.
00:00:25
Kevin Dougherty
How's it going? Wait, I forgot.
00:00:25
Keck
Doc, you look really fucking tired, man.
00:00:28
Keck
You alright?
00:00:29
Kevin Dougherty
ah yeah
00:00:30
Keck
How are you doing tonight?
00:00:33
Kevin Dougherty
All right, you know it's been busy.
00:00:35
Keck
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:00:35
Kevin Dougherty
ah but It's Friday, so
00:00:38
Keck
some A buddy of ours, a minor, um he was saying, because I was trying to get him to maybe come and spend the weekend with me, but he was telling me that Saturday...
00:00:56
Keck
tomorrow is, like, the biggest, like, music day of the year in terms of, like, I think, like, uh, sales or something like that, like, biggest, like, in terms of, like, uh,
00:01:08
Keck
I don't know. He works at the Princeton Record Exchange. So, you know, he knows all that stuff. But he said in terms of, like, um merchandise sales in, like, music content, like, it's the biggest sales day of the year.
00:01:23
Keck
I had no idea. I don't know what that is. i To me, it's just Saturday. But he was like, oh, don't know about this?
00:01:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:01:32
Keck
Like, yeah, apparently I'm just very ignorant. So, anyway.
00:01:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. i I know there's like a bunch of festivals kind of like Coachella and shit.
00:01:36
Keck
Yeah.
00:01:40
Kevin Dougherty
It's like, i think it's this weekend or something.
00:01:40
Keck
No, I think this was purely based on merchandise because he was, I was asking if he could get the day off of work. And he said, are you kidding me?
00:01:51
Keck
Like, hell no. Like, it's all hands on deck.
00:01:52
Kevin Dougherty
Wow.
00:01:54
Keck
And i was like, oh, okay. So it it seems like this is purely like maybe a sales thing. I don't know if it's just in terms of like record and dealing with vinyl or if it's like everything, but don't know.
00:02:08
Keck
And I just don't care enough to look it up. So.
00:02:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, anyway, let's talk about the monkey tonight. But first, I've got ah news.
00:02:17
Keck
Yeah.
00:02:17
Kevin Dougherty
oh
00:02:17
Keck
Well, then it's like you're getting all out of order. Doc, you seem very discombobulated. Are you all right?
00:02:23
Kevin Dougherty
but Well, I'd just like to give what we're going to talk about, but I do like to give a news to everybody.
00:02:28
Keck
I'm fucking with you.
00:02:29
Kevin Dougherty
Okay. um they WB just announced they're going to do a sequel to Gremlins and another sequel to Beetlejuice as well.
00:02:43
Kevin Dougherty
So I didn't like the last one, but um think I think we already talked about that. don't know if we did. But anyway.
00:02:50
Keck
i I didn't see it, but I saw the ah the footage of the congresswoman. That was cool. um Um, but, uh, moving on.
00:03:00
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, and I just found out Stephen King just got greenlit for his another adaptation of The Carry. It's going to be a TV series on Amazon
00:03:10
Keck
It's going to be bad. It's going to be bad. ah think it's going to be bad.
00:03:13
Kevin Dougherty
um by Mike Flanagan.
00:03:18
Keck
Fuck. You just kicked me in the nuts. Like, whatever. It still could be. but I guarantee you he hires his wife.
00:03:28
Kevin Dougherty
To play Carry?
00:03:29
Keck
Like, that's how I know if Flanagan's did it. see If his wife is in it's the only time she can get work. Like, if she's in it, I'm like, oh, Mike Flanagan was involved in this because she's in it.
00:03:42
Keck
You know, I guess that's kind of nasty to say, but I mean, it's true. Anyway, ah that's cool then. Wow. Yeah, I'm looking for, well, hey, Stephen King, like adaptations are pretty historically awful.
00:04:00
Keck
So, you know, you can't really blame me.
00:04:00
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:04:02
Keck
I mean, do you remember the Langoliers?
00:04:06
Kevin Dougherty
Oh yeah. Yeah, but I feel like um a lot of the ones in the past, what, maybe be like five or six years, especially the ones that were you know adapted Flanagan, I think they've been...
00:04:06
Keck
my God.
00:04:18
Keck
Yes. Recently, yeah.
00:04:19
Kevin Dougherty
I think there's been a resurgence of good...
00:04:23
Keck
You know what? You make a really good point.
00:04:24
Kevin Dougherty
anything
00:04:25
Keck
Yeah, because in the past when budgets were lower and stuff like that and they didn't have the technology, I guess that –
00:04:31
Kevin Dougherty
And they were like made for TV,
00:04:34
Keck
Yeah, they didn't have like the technology to really bring like his imagination from the books to life. And now they kind of do. And yeah, like, you know, Cujo is kind of a joke and Pet Sematary. I mean, Jesus Christ.
00:04:50
Keck
um But yeah.
00:04:50
Kevin Dougherty
They're supposed to be doing a remake of Cujo as well, from what I hear.
00:04:54
Keck
ah I think of The Outsider. Can you imagine? Well, The Outsider might be one of the few that I think they could have done really well back in like the nineteen eighty s because it didn't really um use ah that much special effects at all.
00:05:12
Kevin Dougherty
if Yeah, no.
00:05:14
Keck
It was all pretty practical, really.
00:05:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:05:16
Keck
So that's probably, but I mean, it was a very high quality adaptation. I mean, you know, And it was so cool. I'm going to go down rabbit hole getting into that anyway.
00:05:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and ah and I think depending depending on how you feel about the monkey, I thought it was a good adaptation, although I never read the short story.
00:05:29
Keck
Moving on.
00:05:34
Keck
Well, the one thing I just wanted to say, and this is like a lot of confusion, and I'm still not totally, I should have looked into this a little bit more before we did the cast.
00:05:46
Keck
But um people have made this, it's all over Reddit. People have been talking about it. But um there is a 1990, excuse me, 1988 horror movie called Monkey Shines.
00:06:00
Keck
And the artwork and the monkey itself looks identical. um You know, I...
00:06:07
Kevin Dougherty
I just found out just five minutes before we started this podcast that it wasn't a wee meeting.
00:06:11
Keck
Yeah. After I tried to ask you, I've asked you like half a dozen times, like, yo, man, watch this like two minute clip of the end, the monkey shines. So, you know, like, yeah yeah, like it turns out like they are like at all, even in the same universe.
00:06:27
Kevin Dougherty
I just thought they were both, you know, ah both adapted from Stephen King's story in just a different way, but I never read the original story, so I didn't know.
00:06:28
Keck
Like.
00:06:36
Keck
Yeah.
00:06:37
Kevin Dougherty
But, yeah, i just thought, George Romero adapted Stephen King. you're Like, no surprise, you know what mean?
00:06:41
Keck
Yeah, no, I mean, it happens all the time, you know?
00:06:42
Kevin Dougherty
So, like, yeah, even if there were even if one was a toy monkey and one was a real monkey and a paraplegic, was like, okay, so they changed the story up to a toy monkey that kills people.
00:06:44
Keck
Yeah,
00:06:52
Kevin Dougherty
Like, all right, like, yeah.
00:06:52
Keck
yeah but but it's ultimately, there's some continuity. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know it's in the same realm. Like, you know what I mean? It's in the same sphere. There's a connection.
00:07:04
Kevin Dougherty
yeah oh the monkey they both have monkeys one real one not
00:07:04
Keck
This just seemed like they're totally alien to one another. Yeah. Yeah. i ah Yeah. I guess. Well, I mean, i don't even think that thing, well, we should say, I mean, the monkey is basically like they find like this toy monkey.
00:07:21
Keck
Well, it's not really a toy. And I don't know if it's, I don't even know if it's actually a monkey.
00:07:23
Kevin Dougherty
well i can tell you about i can tell you about the poem before we
00:07:28
Keck
I think that it could, it just like, you know, with Stephen King novels, like what Pennywise, it's just the way that they perceive it. Like ah
00:07:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, i just want I just want to say first, I think that I want to go back a step before we get into the movie.
00:07:43
Keck
Oh, sorry. I'm getting step ahead.
00:07:45
Kevin Dougherty
We're still talking about on Monkey Shines.
00:07:47
Kevin Dougherty
ah that um According to the director, the decision to have the monkey bang on a drum instead of cymbals was due to the rights to the cymbal-banging version being owned by Walt Disney.
00:07:47
Keck
Yeah.
00:07:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:07:59
Keck
Oh, shit. So we're getting the ahead of ourselves. yeah like I said, we should have probably done a little bit of research before talking about this. and We come out like ignorant assholes.
00:08:12
Kevin Dougherty
well Well, I mean, in the book, it it is a monkey with a symbol. And I'll tell you like, let me finish this part here. It's owned by Disney because the toy appeared as a character in Toy Story 3. The symbol monkey was in Toy Story 3 in the first place because the director of Toy Story 3 is a fan of Stephen King.
00:08:12
Keck
Yeah.
00:08:33
Keck
We shouldn't get that in depth. We shouldn't.
00:08:38
Kevin Dougherty
So was saying, like, like, the He was a fan of Stephen King, and then so he got it put in the movie.
00:08:43
Keck
Everybody is a fan of Stephen King. Anything in like the the horror metaverse or whatever. like It's just in that stratosphere.
00:08:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. But then he got to put it put in the movie, and then now they can't use it because he put it in the movie.
00:08:55
Keck
Yeah, because of all the legal – would be cool if like a bunch of them – like you have the Actors Guild, the Writers Guild.
00:08:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:08:58
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:09:03
Keck
You would think that they could have like private guilds. like you know Like how Congress has like committees and stuff like that. You would think that they could get together and collectively say like, hey, guys – we all respect each other. Like this isn't just about money for us.
00:09:21
Keck
Like we're going to sign over. Like we're going to have our own thing where we can use each other's material as we see fit. As long as like, you know, we just simply show you the idea first. So, you know, like, oh, wow, I'm not like adamantly against that.
00:09:37
Keck
Like, you know, that would be cool if they had like private unions or something like that, or they could like just freely, you know, instead of having to involve lawyers at all, just like, you know, no drama.
00:09:39
Kevin Dougherty
love
00:09:51
Keck
But I mean, that's just fairy tales. I realize I sound incredibly naive.
00:09:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, you just have to pretty much have to you pretty much have to wait till like public domain ah for everything you're in the public domain to use it.
00:09:57
Keck
Yeah, I get it. um
00:10:01
Keck
Yeah. What is that in the United States?
00:10:03
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:10:04
Keck
It's like 100 years, right?
00:10:06
Kevin Dougherty
I think it's like so many years after
00:10:08
Keck
Before copyright. Yeah, I think because we're.
00:10:10
Kevin Dougherty
It's like after the author's death, it's like,
00:10:12
Keck
Yeah, we were doing a deeper dig into Bram Stoker because he died in 1912 and we were talking about that and.
00:10:14
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:10:22
Keck
I think she finally sold the rights in 1923 24 because she didn't want to go into courts. And that yeah, they were talking about how Dracula is now, ah you know, it's not copyright. It's freedom. Anybody could use it.
00:10:41
Keck
I think it's a hundred years in the United States. I think that's how it works. I think each like... Well, I don't know. don't know how copyright works, to be honest with you. I know. i think it's 100 years and I think it varies by country, but I'm not sure on that.
00:10:58
Keck
So I don't know.
00:10:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but anyway.
00:10:59
Keck
It's something I'm interested in, though.
00:11:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so but yeah, that's a so yeah it's pretty much that's why they couldn't use the symbol they had to use the drums to get back on track.
00:11:09
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:10
Kevin Dougherty
ah So yeah now we can.
00:11:12
Keck
Hey, man, copyright is shit that we have to be talking about, man. I mean, dude, Friday the 13th, man.
00:11:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:11:19
Keck
I'm going to be obsessed with copyright always. So...
00:11:22
Kevin Dougherty
Oh yeah, by the way, no Crystal Lake news.
00:11:25
Keck
Yeah, oh yeah, shit. Sorry about that.
00:11:28
Kevin Dougherty
Back to
00:11:28
Keck
Gotta keep to the promises.
00:11:32
Keck
Yeah, it's never coming out. Anyway... Well...
00:11:35
Kevin Dougherty
the monkey. So yeah, it's pretty much ah these twin brothers who were both played by Theo James.
00:11:40
Keck
well Adam Scott first. don't Don't go...
00:11:44
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I just wanted to give the general plot the movie. That's all.
00:11:49
Keck
Well, Adam Scott was just kind of like he was just i was hoping he was going to be throughout the entire movie, but...
00:11:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. But a bit it's basically about these kids who find their father, who is played by Adam Scott. They find his old monkey toy in the attic, and then a series of gruesome deaths start.
00:12:08
Kevin Dougherty
The Simmons decide to throw it away, move on with their lives, and then the monkey comes back into their life again when they're older. ah Both Hal and his brother, I believe, were played by the same person, weren't they?
00:12:23
Keck
Yeah. Yep.
00:12:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, Christian Conver. I thought they were pretty good.
00:12:26
Keck
And they did the same thing, ah you know, as adults too.
00:12:26
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:12:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, my Steve James. Yeah, i thought it was really good.
00:12:30
Keck
So it was very clever.
00:12:33
Keck
Yeah.
00:12:34
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, that opening scene with ah Adam Scott, was like, oh, Adam Scott's in this. Sweet. Because, you know, he just finished...
00:12:42
Keck
And he was dressed, he he was dressed real eccentrically.
00:12:43
Kevin Dougherty
I think it was right before Severance was coming out.
00:12:48
Kevin Dougherty
Well, he was a pilot. He was dressed like a pilot.
00:12:49
Keck
Yeah. I, I wasn't sure if he was a pilot or if he was in a marching band.
00:12:55
Kevin Dougherty
Oh.
00:12:55
Keck
I think I got the marching band because he brought like the monkey in and the monkey had like, you know, the drum.
00:13:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:13:02
Keck
And so he had an older school pilot's outfit with like the hat, you know, cause pilots don't really wear that kind of eccentric cap anymore.
00:13:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Well,
00:13:12
Keck
At least I don't think they do.
00:13:14
Kevin Dougherty
I think it was supposed to take place in like the 80s, when that thought they were younger.
00:13:14
Keck
Um,
00:13:18
Kevin Dougherty
Because it was like, you know, that was them young and he was finding the gift.
00:13:19
Keck
Well, yeah, but their dad was before them, so their dad would have been like, what, like the 60s or 70s?
00:13:27
Kevin Dougherty
Well, no, because that was him finding the toy and he was like, oh, I got this toy for my kids.
00:13:32
Keck
Yeah. Oh, yeah, right. My kids will love it.
00:13:35
Kevin Dougherty
So, yeah.
00:13:35
Keck
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep, you're correct.
00:13:37
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:13:38
Kevin Dougherty
And he's made, so he would be the the right age because he he would be married to Tatiana Malani, who plays their mother.
00:13:38
Keck
Yeah.
00:13:44
Keck
Yeah. One of the most underused actresses in the business, in my opinion.
00:13:46
Kevin Dougherty
She
00:13:52
Kevin Dougherty
was from Orphan Black and I think she was just a hawk.
00:13:55
Keck
She played like four or five different versions of herself in Orphan Black. I mean... Whether you liked the show or hated it, like you have to give credit where credit's due. I mean, you know Peter Sellers would have looked at that and been like, damn.
00:14:14
Keck
um you know
00:14:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:14:16
Keck
so
00:14:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I mean, she was in the, she's in the MCU now as she Hulk. So.
00:14:20
Keck
Yeah, I haven't seen much with her in it after Orphan Black. It could just be that she's in a lot of things that like aren't in like the horror or you know that you know
00:14:29
Kevin Dougherty
All right. No. Yeah.
00:14:34
Keck
yeah but
00:14:34
Kevin Dougherty
None of the things you'd be interested in.
00:14:35
Keck
yeah anything I'd be interested in. Yeah, I mean, yeah that does happen from time to time. Yeah.
00:14:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. But yeah. Um, So Adam Scott brings the the toy into the into the pawn shop to try to sell it. Or try to return it, I guess. Because I guess he bought it from there because he taps the sign like, hey, no no no returns on toys.
00:14:52
Keck
Yeah.
00:14:57
Keck
Yeah.
00:14:57
Kevin Dougherty
So I'm assuming he bought it from there.
00:14:57
Keck
And he says, it's not a toy.
00:14:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:14:59
Keck
It's not a toy.
00:14:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:15:00
Keck
And that's why I was trying to bring up that.
00:15:00
Kevin Dougherty
like stop ho at
00:15:02
Keck
I like the idea that like the monkey is just the way we see it. And it's really like some, you know, unknowable thing, but yeah, yeah.
00:15:08
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:15:12
Keck
Go go ahead. Yeah.
00:15:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because you can't... They try to destroy it multiple times. He tries to destroy it with a flamethrower after it plays the drums.
00:15:19
Keck
Yeah.
00:15:21
Keck
Well, that's what I wanted to do.
00:15:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:15:22
Keck
That was when I knew it was a comedy horror. Because, like, I didn't know.
00:15:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:15:28
Keck
Like, I thought it was just, like, straight horror. And then, like, when I saw, like, Sale, Flamethrower 300, and there was, like, a whole rack of Flamethrowers, I was just like, oh, yeah, dude, this is going to all it.
00:15:36
Kevin Dougherty
hor third job
00:15:44
Kevin Dougherty
I kind of knew when he walked in, it was like, it was like you got butt on you. was just like, oh, yeah.
00:15:50
Keck
He says like, sir, are you aware you have quite bit of blood
00:15:51
Kevin Dougherty
It's not mine. It's quite a... He was just like, oh, yeah. It's not mine. Don't worry about it.
00:16:00
Keck
on me?
00:16:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:16:03
Keck
It's not that big a video. Anyway, hey i I really need you take this off my hands.
00:16:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And then,
00:16:09
Keck
You know, so I mean, that's just how it is.
00:16:09
Kevin Dougherty
like, then like And then like through like throughout the whole movie, I mean, we'll talk about some of the deaths, but um they're all played like in like a kind of a Final Destination type of way.
00:16:23
Keck
Yeah, and let me just say they were all fantastic.
00:16:23
Kevin Dougherty
where But if there isn't as much...
00:16:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they that they're all they're not as much of a like, you know, when Final Destination would set up one, you would think like five or so different five or six different things would happen.
00:16:28
Keck
Continue. Continue.
00:16:37
Kevin Dougherty
This would be like, no, it like this rat is chewing this fucking rope. And then as soon as it finishes chewing the rope, it fucking makes the fucking axe fall down and the fucking shoot the fucking harpoon.
00:16:50
Keck
yeah It's kind of like, do you remember those board games we used to play?
00:16:50
Kevin Dougherty
You know, like it's a lot quicker and more direct. Yeah.
00:16:58
Keck
um yeah we're Yeah, where all this stuff it would have, like, yeah, that's how it was.
00:17:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:17:03
Keck
So they were, all the kills who were kind of like that.
00:17:07
Kevin Dougherty
they yeah They're kind of Rube Goldberg machines, yeah, but like they weren't as, yeah, they weren't as like elaborate machines.
00:17:09
Keck
Yeah, and I dug that.
00:17:15
Kevin Dougherty
ah or like, you know, misdirection filled with like final destination. There were much more direct.
00:17:19
Keck
Yeah.
00:17:20
Kevin Dougherty
It was like, soon as this thing happens, it's fucking going like within two seconds, somebody brutal.
00:17:20
Keck
Yeah.
00:17:26
Keck
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:28
Keck
and and And unlike a Final Destination, where you could kind of like fight death and like you know like come to stalemates, like the monkey seemed to have a 100% mortality rate.
00:17:28
Kevin Dougherty
well
00:17:43
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:17:43
Keck
If you were his target, you're done. like
00:17:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and there there was no telling who was the target.
00:17:48
Keck
There's...
00:17:50
Kevin Dougherty
like If you turned it, you were safe, but like everybody else was over.
00:17:52
Keck
yeah yeah Yeah, it appears, at least that's what we think. So far, no one did it, but, you know, we don't know how many times he had turned Like, you know, could the monkey eventually decide?
00:18:08
Keck
I mean, just don't really know, but it appears if you turned it, you were safe.
00:18:10
Kevin Dougherty
i speak of monkey I think the monkey it was but You were safe because it because it wants you to keep turning it. I think that that's what...
00:18:19
Keck
Yeah.
00:18:20
Kevin Dougherty
So if it knows you're turning it, it'll just stay with you. It's like, because it'll want you to turn it again.
00:18:25
Keck
Yeah, and it smiles.
00:18:25
Kevin Dougherty
And it's when somebody else turns it. Yeah.
00:18:29
Keck
You get the idea.
00:18:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:18:31
Keck
right it it It's definitely sentient. like It's not killing at random. It kills what it wants to kill.
00:18:37
Kevin Dougherty
No. Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:40
Keck
Yeah.
00:18:41
Kevin Dougherty
and to get whatever to hopefully get whatever it wants and what it wants is for you to turn it so it can keep killing.
00:18:41
Keck
You know what I mean?
00:18:45
Keck
Yeah. Because he specifically was not killing his brother because he knew if he were to kill his brother, or maybe he just didn't like him and didn't want to kill his brother.
00:18:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. and
00:18:58
Kevin Dougherty
I think he didn't kill his brother because then he once it did, he would stop turning it.
00:18:58
Keck
Yeah.
00:19:01
Keck
Yeah, he would definitely stop turning.
00:19:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:03
Keck
But the thing is, is I also think that the monkey didn't like Bill.
00:19:08
Kevin Dougherty
No.
00:19:08
Keck
ah
00:19:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:10
Keck
And I think the monkey enjoyed watching Bill lose his mind.
00:19:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:19:15
Keck
And I think that's the whole thing, because if you keep turning that...
00:19:15
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:19:20
Keck
You're someone that's got to be, you know, you're a psychopath or you're being forced to do it under duress. You know what I mean?
00:19:31
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah because if you if you go through like all the all the deaths uh at least the ones that were like close home were like first it's the babysitter dies because he turned it and his brother was kind of like
00:19:31
Keck
Because...
00:19:43
Kevin Dougherty
flirting with the fucking babysitter or whatever and like so like it killed her so because it knew then that the other brother would then turn it to try to kill his brother and and then you killed them all yeah yeah it knew how to manipulate you and to keep turning or to give it to somebody else that would turn it yeah
00:19:45
Keck
Yeah.
00:19:55
Keck
Yeah, it had a plan. It it knew how to do it.
00:20:03
Keck
It was a demon. It was a demon.
00:20:05
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:20:05
Keck
Like I i said, like I think like it's only like humans could perceive it as a monkey. like I think like something like somebody more sensitive might say like Satan like with the horns or something like that.
00:20:20
Keck
Like Laughling holding a fucking orb or some shit like that. Or like some crazy djinn from the Wishmaster or something like that.
00:20:30
Kevin Dougherty
master
00:20:31
Keck
you know Because that's kind of like what I was thinking of. like Although it doesn't really grant you wishes, if you want somebody dead, it will give you that.
00:20:43
Keck
ah so
00:20:44
Kevin Dougherty
But it won't give you the person that you want dead.
00:20:47
Keck
No, it'll just give you death.
00:20:47
Kevin Dougherty
It'll just give you that.
00:20:49
Keck
If you want death, it will give you death.
00:20:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah Yeah.
00:20:52
Keck
ah but but but
00:20:53
Kevin Dougherty
Even if you don't want death, and it's going to give you death.
00:20:54
Keck
And... Yeah.
00:20:57
Kevin Dougherty
Because they didn't know what it was going to do at the beginning.
00:21:00
Keck
Yeah.
00:21:00
Kevin Dougherty
the When the kid first does it, he had no idea what's going to happen.
00:21:03
Keck
No, no, no. Well, yeah, it was just like a thing. And what I was glad, and you hinted on this when you were talking about Final Destination, I was really glad that um they did the kind of like chutes and ladders, like, you know...
00:21:20
Keck
ball dropping into a fucking bucket and then bucket sliding, dropping into a cannon that, you know, shoots bowling ball. Like i like that because in the opening scene where the, I mean, I really enjoyed, I thought the opening was amazing.
00:21:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:21:38
Keck
The first kill where he sliced her head off and it falls on like the hibachi grill. Like, dude.
00:21:44
Kevin Dougherty
You can hear it sizzling. Hello?
00:21:46
Keck
That was pure perfection. But I was glad that, like, it wasn't all, like, just, like, quick, like... You know, like quick death kills, like, you know, the shotgun, like, although I like the shotgun kill, like, I'm glad that, like, they really, like, boiled it down.
00:21:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:07
Keck
You could see certain things building up. I'm glad it wasn't just, like, real fast reactionary shocks. You know what I mean?
00:22:13
Kevin Dougherty
yeah you Yeah, like the first one, like the opening harpoon, let's go through them, the opening harpoon one, like ah when it first like shot the harpoon and you just hear it here it like stuck in the back, you think like, oh, it shot him in the head or chest or whatever, and like that's the end of it, and you think it's going to look back.
00:22:15
Keck
yeah Like, I don't know if I'm...
00:22:30
Keck
Yeah. Oh, I knew how those things worked, so I assumed, ah yeah, that that was common.
00:22:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and then it reeled back in and ripped out his intestines. It was like, yes, I'm in. Like, as soon as that happened, I was like, yes, I'm in this i'm into this movie now. Then he fucking busts out that flamethrower, yeah.
00:22:48
Keck
Yeah.
00:22:50
Kevin Dougherty
ah That, uh...
00:22:50
Keck
And to get something else out of the way real quick is that um we've been talking about this the last few casts, um especially myself, is that I'm feeling like more and more of a departure from like, I don't know, I guess like just like the horror community. Because this really got shit on, on like IMDB and like Rotten Tomatoes and stuff like that.
00:23:16
Keck
Like you would think it was something that's like barely even worth watching. And like, i thought that this was really one of the best, like, especially because it's a horror comedy and we haven't seen like, um, there was that werewolf, uh, what was that werewolves movie?
00:23:32
Kevin Dougherty
Werewolves within?
00:23:33
Keck
Um, Werewolves Within. That was a good horror comedy. We had, I guess, Cocaine Bear could kind of be, like, I guess, in there.
00:23:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:23:41
Keck
But, like, i thought that this was a really, really, um I mean, like, I had very low expectations. And I thought that this was probably one of the better horror comedies that I can remember in recent years.
00:23:59
Kevin Dougherty
do you Do you think that maybe be people like didn't get that it was a
00:23:59
Keck
I mean... yeah I don't know many horror comedies. What's that?
00:24:05
Kevin Dougherty
Do you think that... Do you think people just didn't get the comedy in it? Because they play it kind of straight. And like it's kind of just the ridiculous things that happen around them.
00:24:17
Keck
Yeah, I don't know. I think, i mean...
00:24:20
Kevin Dougherty
It doesn't seem like they're saying the lines for laughs. You know what i mean?
00:24:24
Keck
That would be like a lot of like, uh, naive, like fucking like inadept people.
00:24:25
Kevin Dougherty
They're saying the lines...
00:24:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well...
00:24:32
Keck
Yeah. I mean, we are kind of becoming a stupider society. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. I don't know.
00:24:38
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:24:39
Keck
I just assumed that I was getting older and like my tastes were changing maybe, or like,
00:24:45
Kevin Dougherty
I could just see people like seeing that and going, oh, that was dumb. You know what mean? Like...
00:24:50
Keck
I don't see, I can't imagine somebody seeing that and being like, that was dumb. Like, like at the end, like i like jumped up and i was like, that was fucking awesome.
00:25:01
Keck
Yeah, Lois.
00:25:01
Kevin Dougherty
fair
00:25:02
Keck
Like, you know what mean? Like, I thought it was great. Like the only thing, man, I'll tell you that scene, the kills, we were going through the kills. Well, I'm going to jump ahead. There was a beehive involved, fellas. And I gotta tell you, I don't like bees.
00:25:20
Kevin Dougherty
I'm allergic to these, so they can kill me.
00:25:20
Keck
ah
00:25:22
Kevin Dougherty
I don't either. So...
00:25:23
Keck
and The only thing that I like less probably is those house centipedes that you used to live with. um I'm like, you know, like I always, like if Pennywise saw me, he would immediately do that and I'm dead.
00:25:31
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, the silverfish?
00:25:37
Keck
So, ah but, you know, yeah, that bee scene, um It like pretty much melts his face. I mean, like this one. I mean, it was ridiculous.
00:25:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:25:50
Keck
But like, I mean, yeah, it was it it was like basically like a plasma, right?
00:25:55
Kevin Dougherty
They all flew into this tiny bullet hole directly into his mouth.
00:25:55
Keck
and Into his mouth. Like, I mean, it's I gotta tell you, like, I really hope I don't go that way.
00:26:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:07
Kevin Dougherty
oh dude, that would be fucking awful.
00:26:11
Keck
I mean, that's pretty much like, i mean, that's you the only, you know, I was thinking like who would like a scene like that's probably like the porn that ah the Candyman would jerk off to though, you know, cause he had the thing with the bees.
00:26:25
Keck
So maybe he would be into that, but like, otherwise, yeah, there's, there's no good way to go.
00:26:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:31
Keck
Yeah. that That's a bad way to go. oh
00:26:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:34
Keck
And, but so after a babysitter, Annie dies, um
00:26:40
Kevin Dougherty
Then the mother dies. her that She gets like a brain aneurysm, I guess.
00:26:45
Keck
No, ah they and no, ah we're forgetting the uncle who gets trampled by the horses.
00:26:45
Kevin Dougherty
Like her brain explodes.
00:26:52
Kevin Dougherty
No, no, no. First, first, the mother dies. ah goes the babysitter, then the mother, then the uncle.
00:26:59
Keck
Oh, yeah. um Shit. You know what? You're totally right. I forgot. Yeah, the mother dies and that's what makes them go to live with him.
00:27:06
Kevin Dougherty
Go live. yeah
00:27:08
Keck
Yeah, i was I was devastated when Lois died.
00:27:11
Kevin Dougherty
and about
00:27:11
Keck
I was hoping she was going to be throughout the whole movie, but her death was great. She did such a good job.
00:27:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:18
Keck
And the shit she was saying to her kids, like, we didn't talk about that.
00:27:21
Kevin Dougherty
He's
00:27:22
Keck
Like, she was talking about, like, how, oh, some of us are going to be screaming with duct tape over our mouths and shit like that.
00:27:29
Kevin Dougherty
just like, everybody dies.
00:27:31
Keck
Like, she was like, yeah.
00:27:33
Kevin Dougherty
yeah ah scan
00:27:34
Keck
And, like, she was like, yeah.
00:27:34
Kevin Dougherty
You're going to die.
00:27:36
Keck
Yeah.
00:27:36
Kevin Dougherty
Your friends are going to die. Your pets are going to die.
00:27:37
Keck
Yeah, you all your friends are gonna die.
00:27:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:40
Keck
You guys are gonna die. The clock is waiting.
00:27:42
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:27:43
Keck
Hopefully some of you, you'll die peacefully in your beds, but others aren't so lucky. And, like, you can see her teeth. And, like, she's, like, saying, like, with such grim conviction.
00:27:52
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:27:56
Keck
And she's all like, some are gonna be screaming, but you can't hear their screams because there's gonna be duct tape over their mouths. And they're gonna go slow and
00:28:04
Kevin Dougherty
and then she's like let's go dancing yeah
00:28:07
Keck
agonizing.
00:28:08
Kevin Dougherty
let's go dancing
00:28:10
Keck
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:10
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:28:10
Keck
She's like, fuck it. Let's go. Yeah, and they they just do that like it's normal.
00:28:12
Kevin Dougherty
Let's get it. Let's get it. Yeah. How about that fucking ah priest? The fucking young ass dude that just is like, Oh, shit.
00:28:18
Keck
Oh, yeah. That was fucking, yeah.
00:28:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:28:22
Keck
the You know, the only thing I thought about, like, i was like, you know what, man, it's too bad they couldn't get Justin Long for that part. He would have fucking been perfect for it.
00:28:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. and
00:28:34
Keck
But that guy, he was a good second.
00:28:39
Keck
He walked up there. because It was a great build-up. Yeah, we talk about that. After the first Kel Baby C, Annie takes place scene, Funeral Home, and you see Bill looking at his brother, and he's mouthing to him like,
00:28:56
Keck
fuck, because, you know, they're looking at her, and then, you know, his brother has, like, how is her head still attached, like, you know, and she's like, young people, you know, and then you cut to priest who walks up, looks at coffin, then goes to microphone, knowing it's on, just like, whoa, fuck,
00:28:57
Kevin Dougherty
but Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:04
Kevin Dougherty
yeah ah just
00:29:20
Keck
ah ah
00:29:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And
00:29:25
Kevin Dougherty
then he's like, when he something he said something about separate it and it was like, not her head though, that's a separate situation or some shit like that.
00:29:26
Keck
and He gets one of the Yeah, I mean, it was a very good horror comedy.
00:29:40
Kevin Dougherty
And then, when it happened,
00:29:45
Keck
I mean, you know, it's cracking up the talk about it. I mean, yeah, I mean, it was...
00:29:49
Kevin Dougherty
How about when he goes like after ah before his mother dies when he's like going to school and he's getting bullied by that like gang of girls?
00:29:58
Keck
Yeah, i'm not exactly what the hell.
00:29:59
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:30:01
Keck
And they were very strange dress girls. And they talked really weird. they're Like, i don't know what that was about.
00:30:07
Kevin Dougherty
yeah They're just waiting for him and then his brother was just like giving them information to like go pick on his brother and it's not saying enough for him.
00:30:09
Keck
Yeah, that was very bizarre.
00:30:15
Keck
Yeah. Yeah. yeah Like, yeah, he was basically like, yeah, he was basically saying like, yo, I need you to start fucking my brother hard.
00:30:28
Kevin Dougherty
yeah i want you to bully my brother
00:30:30
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:33
Kevin Dougherty
brother it's interesting that like he had walked into the locker room and didn't immediately like just turn around and walk out you know i mean it's not like they had him cornered in there
00:30:41
Keck
yeah Yeah, or like, i mean, well I mean, they were all like little kids. So, you know, obviously, but like, yeah, because in like an older scenario, I'd be like, if you guys want me to take my pants off, I'll take my pants off.
00:30:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:57
Keck
But, you know, they were obviously children.
00:30:59
Kevin Dougherty
And then you get tricked into it.
00:31:00
Keck
So, yeah.
00:31:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:02
Keck
Yeah, so I mean, you know, that's that's the obvious direction I would have went in would be to like do an the about face and be like, yo, peace.
00:31:02
Kevin Dougherty
ah yeah That's the one thing.
00:31:10
Keck
Like, you know, if they want to pick on me from walking away from the girl, so be it. Like, I'm not losing my pants.
00:31:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:20
Keck
age What's the bigger humiliation?
00:31:22
Kevin Dougherty
I just thought it was an interesting choice to be picked on by a bunch of girls instead of a group guys.
00:31:27
Keck
Yeah, and but they were very eccentric girls.
00:31:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:32
Keck
you know, they just didn't, so they weren't like your normal.
00:31:34
Kevin Dougherty
It didn't seem like they would hang out. Yeah, they didn't seem like their normal group of girls like that would hang out together.
00:31:37
Keck
Yeah.
00:31:40
Kevin Dougherty
They were all differently dressed. and like you know so like they all
00:31:43
Keck
Yeah.
00:31:44
Kevin Dougherty
They were like different parts of other groups that like came together just to pick on him.
00:31:48
Keck
Yeah. I think everyone was like a different race too.
00:31:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:51
Kevin Dougherty
There was like a goth girl, like a preppy girl, like a sort of...
00:31:51
Keck
way Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was really, it was just a weird situation.
00:32:00
Kevin Dougherty
Just like a random assortment of girls that they were like, yeah, just just pretend you're all friends. Yeah.
00:32:07
Keck
Yeah. and Yeah, it was very, it was really, really, really weird. i don't know what the hell is going on.
00:32:13
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:32:13
Keck
But yeah, like I said, you know, it's a surreal experience.
00:32:18
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, but yeah, then ah they go to the, they go to live with their uncles and like he gets run over by 66 wild horses while in the sleeping bag.
00:32:18
Keck
And
00:32:28
Keck
But first, what he tells him on the steps, he said, hey, we're going to try to do the best to look out for you, you know, because we never really wanted kids.
00:32:39
Keck
But the even our best will probably be pretty bad.
00:32:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:32:46
Keck
Have a good night. think That's what he tells him the first night.
00:32:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. be man Being honest with the kid.
00:32:56
Keck
yeah After he just saw his mom get a one in, what did they say, 44 million, or 4,400 million?
00:33:07
Keck
Or, like, it was like, they said, basically, like, it's never happened in human history before.
00:33:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. sure
00:33:14
Keck
So, like, somebody. It has to happen at some point, I guess. And, yeah, because she just hemorrhaged. Like, she went out real bad.
00:33:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:33:26
Keck
ah looked real bad. um But, uh.
00:33:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, know it was not a fun game. But yeah, getting trampled by 66 wild horses while in a sleeping bag. That was They
00:33:34
Keck
And when they opened it, I don't know what they threw in there. It was just, like, what? Meatloaf or something?
00:33:39
Kevin Dougherty
were like...
00:33:40
Keck
Like, raw meat?
00:33:41
Kevin Dougherty
I think they said he looked like he got drop-kicked into a cherry pie.
00:33:45
Keck
ah yeah
00:33:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:33:47
Keck
I think they actually did fill the sleeping bag with cherry pie or something like that because I didn't see away in contestants like like it looked literally like cherry pie oh really oh that's clever
00:33:53
Kevin Dougherty
I love it.
00:33:59
Kevin Dougherty
But that was played by the director, Osgood Perkins, who... Yay. he yeah He gave himself a cameo. He was the one that directed last year's Long Legs, son of Anthony Perkins, from, you know, Psycho.
00:34:11
Keck
oh cool
00:34:14
Keck
Cool.
00:34:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:34:19
Keck
Yeah, I know who Anthony Perkins is.
00:34:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, yeah, and then...
00:34:24
Keck
but And then I love the next staff.
00:34:27
Kevin Dougherty
Was that the flash forward when they're adults.
00:34:30
Keck
I believe it was. Well, I mean, it's kind of a really ridiculous.
00:34:32
Kevin Dougherty
Oh,
00:34:35
Keck
Like, I mean, yeah, I know it's supposed to be a, but man, it's just so ridiculous how like they threw the monkey down the wall and then like he like decided that like he was going to live in fear the rest of his life.
00:34:49
Keck
of the monkey
00:34:49
Kevin Dougherty
the one brother? Yeah.
00:34:51
Keck
Like, yeah, like, well they both go nuts. Um, to some, well, I mean, obviously, ah Bill, psychotically loses his mind.
00:35:03
Keck
Uh, I don't even know like what he did for money after that. Like, it seemed like he went down to the well and then went on a quest to find the monkey for the next 25 years.
00:35:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, pretty much.
00:35:20
Keck
a And because like, i don't like if he was so mad at his brother, why didn't he just kill his brother?
00:35:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:35:30
Kevin Dougherty
Like with his own hand?
00:35:31
Keck
Like, he have just taken matters into his own hands.
00:35:34
Kevin Dougherty
Maybe he didn't want to go to jail.
00:35:34
Keck
Like, why did he have to wait 25 years to find the ancient toy demon monkey and then, like, hope that it might kill his brother if he turned to K?
00:35:35
Kevin Dougherty
i don't know.
00:35:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe was because he didn't want to go to jail. So he didn't personally kill him.
00:35:55
Keck
I mean, I think my, I don't know. I mean, i had like a lot of like different like parts of the film that I would say would be my favorite, but there was a part that really struck out to me. And I'm i'm thinking that it probably struck a chord with you as well was when it it shows that the monkey really is sentient because there's they're having him and Bill, they're having like a physical ah altercation. Like they're like basically wrestling.
00:36:28
Keck
We should also mention that a young Hal butchers up the monkey and like, it's like flesh and blood when he's like chopping into it.
00:36:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, he wants them to hit the drum.
00:36:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:36:40
Keck
So that was like another thing because when Adam Scott hits it with the flamethrower in the very beginning, like I saw like plaster melting. So like, I just thought, so I don't know if that was like the monkey was able to at any time make the brothers like hallucinate things maybe, or you really don't know exactly what's going on there.
00:36:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:05
Keck
But, um, I, shit, I lost my train of thought a little bit as to where I was going with that.
00:37:12
Kevin Dougherty
You were talking about ah that how the monkey was like in a tussle with him and pretty much hit tosses him.
00:37:12
Keck
Um,
00:37:17
Keck
Yeah, um that's when you see that the monkey actually is sentient because afterwards it clearly made a whole bunch of decisions about Bill's future and about the future of everyone in that town.
00:37:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. i I still want to go back to the pool. Yeah, I still want to go back a little bit further to the pool.
00:37:37
Keck
oh yeah, I was just picking out like a particular scene that struck chord with me.
00:37:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:43
Keck
what what did What did you like?
00:37:45
Kevin Dougherty
um It was funny how, like, the other brother, he goes on to, like, I mean, he gets married at one point and has a kid that he only sees once a week for once a year because he wants to stay away from the kid because he's afraid it's going to kill him.
00:37:52
Keck
Which is totally ridiculous.
00:37:57
Keck
Yeah.
00:38:01
Keck
It just makes no sense.
00:38:03
Kevin Dougherty
And even the boss is like... His boss is like that young kid who's like vaping. He's like, you have a kid?
00:38:09
Keck
That sucks.
00:38:09
Kevin Dougherty
Fuck. like That sucks.
00:38:10
Keck
Yeah, that's always, that sucks.
00:38:11
Kevin Dougherty
That sucks.
00:38:18
Kevin Dougherty
But then, like, fucking... When they're at the motel, and and that's when he first gets back in contact with his brother when he calls him. And he fucking hangs up, and that fucking... shit electrocutes the pool just as she dies.
00:38:32
Kevin Dougherty
I thought she was going to dive in and could just get electrocuted.
00:38:35
Keck
Oh, yeah, and she's like a beautiful, yeah, like
00:38:40
Kevin Dougherty
Instantly fucking explodes. He's like...
00:38:43
Keck
Yeah, just um picture the scene from, like, National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, and instead of, like, that beautiful scene with Phoebe Cates and her breasts and everything, like, yeah instead of, like, seeing her come out of the pool like that, she just explodes.
00:38:45
Kevin Dougherty
like
00:39:02
Keck
Ha ha ha ha ha.
00:39:02
Kevin Dougherty
then he's like And her leg goes flat out across and he just goes, is that a leg?
00:39:07
Kevin Dougherty
And like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was
00:39:07
Keck
yeah Yeah, like, doesn't he, like, catch the leg like it lands on him?
00:39:11
Keck
Like, yeah. yeah I mean, that was the one thing. Yeah, like I said, I'm glad that they mixed it up, that they weren't all, like, people blowing up. Like, because the next kill after that, correct me if I'm wrong, was the shotgun kill, right?
00:39:27
Kevin Dougherty
the ant. ah no the it was
00:39:29
Keck
No.
00:39:30
Kevin Dougherty
the aunt uh when she went flying she went out of the house or was it the ant before that
00:39:35
Keck
ah No, the ant died. The ant was the first to die when, after it said 25 years later, when he's like, I know the monkeys, like right around the corner.
00:39:44
Kevin Dougherty
oh right right because
00:39:48
Keck
or like Yeah.
00:39:49
Kevin Dougherty
we didn't talk about her death because she like falls through the stairs and gets all those fucking fish hooks like on her face and shit and at first like we
00:39:57
Keck
And that you kind of think she just dies there. That's what I thought.
00:40:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and then she's like, then she manages to pick them all out of her face and like, you know, work cream on, and just as she's starting to feel better, she manages to light her fucking whole head on fire.
00:40:01
Keck
Like, i was like, oh, yeah.
00:40:06
Keck
Yeah.
00:40:13
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:40:14
Keck
That was really quite unfortunate. Yeah.
00:40:17
Kevin Dougherty
And then run out the door, foot into a, to what was that, or a plot a pot of fucking flowers or something?
00:40:17
Keck
that
00:40:24
Kevin Dougherty
Was that like...
00:40:26
Keck
it was
00:40:28
Kevin Dougherty
And then end into the fucking mailbox fucking post, like, through the fucking face. That was one of my favorite ones, too. Dude, they were just all such things, like...
00:40:38
Keck
it was like I don't think it was a, I think it looked like somebody who left a gift like on the porch or something.
00:40:50
Keck
Cause I actually rewatched that scene because i was wondering what the fuck is that? And yeah, maybe she was like working on a potted plant and like she couldn't figure out.
00:41:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it looked like somebody left the gift of a potted plant in front of her door.
00:41:05
Keck
Yeah. There was something there.
00:41:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah,
00:41:07
Keck
Yeah. It was just like in the middle of the stand. Yeah.
00:41:11
Kevin Dougherty
at that point, yeah. like go
00:41:14
Keck
It just, because really, I mean, the the the post was mercy. You know what I mean?
00:41:20
Kevin Dougherty
yeah at that point yeah
00:41:21
Keck
Like, you don't, like, because, ah yeah, she would have come out looking like, um you know, yeah, I mean, she have come out looking like the Toxic Avenger after that.
00:41:32
Keck
I mean, you know, that would have been brutal.
00:41:33
Kevin Dougherty
Oh,
00:41:35
Keck
So, you know, the quicker she get that post... the better that kind of like prolong the agony a little bit. So, yeah.
00:41:46
Kevin Dougherty
ah yeah. And then before the shotgun death, she is she the oh, no. Yeah. Before the shotgun death where she's talking about, like, how a bunch of people every day since like the aunt died.
00:41:58
Keck
Poof. She keeps saying poof. Poof.
00:42:00
Kevin Dougherty
poop yet once a day that somebody's getting murdered and then it was like showing some of them and the one that stuck out to me it was a like guy that was like being run over by the lawnmower and it was like shooting the blood in that dude's face and he was like just staring at drinking his beer still like unfazed laughing
00:42:10
Keck
yeah
00:42:21
Keck
ah
00:42:25
Keck
That scene did tickle me as well.
00:42:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:42:28
Keck
a Again, this was a very effective horror comedy and, um, you know, it just goes to show, but yeah, I mean,
00:42:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:42:39
Keck
yeah
00:42:42
Keck
things at that point were becoming, you know, rather normal. or me Be like, I don't know. They were like desensitized to the fact that they were all with them.
00:42:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:42:57
Keck
Scott say in the beginning of the movie, he said like, we're all in the world of like, royal fucking hell or you know he says ah he says it's not I know it's not a direct quote but he's like we're all royally fucked I think he says something like that and the guys you know because he's like I don't feel royally fucked and then he's like you know but uh yeah and uh yeah that that's what happens and they just got to the point where huh that's happening yeah
00:43:07
Kevin Dougherty
and Yeah, something like that, yeah.
00:43:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. You don't want that drum hand to come down, yeah. Yeah.
00:43:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and then this whole journey...
00:43:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and this whole journey he's bringing his kid along with it to try to get the monkey back. so the kid doesn't even... A, the kid didn't know he had a brother, let alone a twin brother. And then, like, when they're in the car and, like, that that a kid, like, he was pretending to be, like, he's wearing his dad's cop uniform before the kid with the bees in his mouth, he, uh, when he tells them to go in there, this kid doesn't, he was like, he was like, yeah, you gotta go in and get this monkey, and the kid's like, what the fuck are you talking about? he's like, he's like,
00:44:07
Kevin Dougherty
He's like, wait, you haven't fucking like, you only see me once a year because of a fucking toy monkey. like And he's like, yeah, when you go in to get it, whatever you do, don't turn the key.
00:44:21
Keck
Yeah, and he does, like, right away.
00:44:23
Kevin Dougherty
And done.
00:44:24
Kevin Dougherty
Like, barely any convincing get him to turn it.
00:44:24
Keck
And, like, and the thing is, his uncle's even acting all evil and shit.
00:44:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:32
Keck
He's like, come here, Petey. Turn the key. You know, you want it.
00:44:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah,
00:44:38
Keck
Like, it's like, you know, obviously you don't turn the key. Like, you know, we were talking about, like, rationalization. Like, um I think in the last cast, and I was saying, like, you know, one of the great things about Event Horizon, like, when they see what happens, they're like, we're leaving.
00:44:55
Keck
Like, you know what I mean?
00:44:56
Kevin Dougherty
he like...
00:44:56
Keck
Like, that's where would go, like, I'm bouncing.
00:44:57
Kevin Dougherty
win
00:45:00
Keck
Like,
00:45:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, he went into the house. Before he even got to his brother, he was like almost killed a couple times because he's got his house set up like a Home Alone trap.
00:45:08
Keck
Yeah.
00:45:09
Kevin Dougherty
like Murder shit everywhere.
00:45:09
Keck
Yeah.
00:45:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and
00:45:11
Keck
And he was just like, oh, well, that's pretty fucking normal, I guess.
00:45:15
Kevin Dougherty
yeah is he just keeps going.
00:45:15
Keck
Like, you know, was able to avoid those, like, ah three samurai swords.
00:45:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And then he took like no convincing for him to fucking turn the key, too.
00:45:22
Keck
Yeah.
00:45:26
Keck
Yeah, yeah. yeah
00:45:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:45:27
Keck
Really not. He was just like, you know, you want to turn the key, even though like you were explicitly told the one thing you should definitely not do is turn the key.
00:45:31
Kevin Dougherty
He's like, yeah.
00:45:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. then he fucking turns it anyway.
00:45:41
Keck
Yeah.
00:45:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:45:42
Keck
Yeah.
00:45:43
Kevin Dougherty
And then, like you said, the fucking bowling ball.
00:45:45
Keck
I wouldn't have had any other way.
00:45:45
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:45:48
Keck
I mean, i would have turned to K, too.
00:45:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:50
Keck
Obviously, you're going to turn to K.
00:45:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:45:52
Keck
I would turned to K.
00:45:52
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:45:53
Keck
You would turn to We'd all eventually turn to K. That's what it comes down to. but
00:46:00
Kevin Dougherty
ah But then, yeah, like you said, the fucking Goldberg machine with the fucking bowling ball to the fucking face.
00:46:08
Keck
Yeah, but I mean, then it really just goes totally off the rails. The monkey goes nuts, and you see a plane go down, a woman with a baby on fire.
00:46:17
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, did well yeah, before he died. With the
00:46:22
Keck
Well, I mean, I'm assuming the woman's baby was on fire because she was running into like off the street into a driveway, and...
00:46:29
Kevin Dougherty
with
00:46:34
Keck
She was running with a baby carriage and the carriage was engulfed in flames.
00:46:40
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:46:41
Keck
Like, there's no way anything in there was alive.
00:46:44
Kevin Dougherty
um I bought that so ah thought that happened after the cannon went off, but it was before well um the part where the drum was off
00:46:52
Keck
No, that was after the cannon went off.
00:46:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, no, but I mean, before that, before the cannon goes off, and they and the fucking monkey's just fucking drumming away like mad more times than normally does, and you just hear all these explosions, and you see plane go down and shit, and then, like, shit, somebody falls, like, through the fucking roof of the house, and then that late then the won the bride comes through the fucking roof as well with the parachute and throws him the bouquet, like, he catches the bouquet.
00:46:54
Keck
Yeah.
00:47:04
Keck
Oh yeah.
00:47:13
Keck
Yeah.
00:47:19
Keck
Yeah, I mean, there's just absolutely, like, you know, you the monkey was, you know, he was just like, you know what? It's time for a really vulgar display of power.
00:47:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:32
Keck
And that's what, yeah, that I mean, that's what I took it as.
00:47:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and then when that's when that' when
00:47:36
Keck
Like, you have no idea who you're fucking with.
00:47:39
Kevin Dougherty
yeah then when they're driving off, they see the lady running with the baby on fire, and then like, just..................
00:47:40
Keck
Yeah.
00:47:44
Keck
I'm assuming there was, i don't know why she wouldn't have been like smothering it, you know, trying to put the fire out.
00:47:51
Kevin Dougherty
fifth
00:47:52
Keck
I guess she was just like, oh, my baby's on fire. Let me just run and spread the fire. She was watching her baby.
00:48:02
Kevin Dougherty
It feels like everything was exploding around you. like Maybe you don't have time to fucking stop to put your baby out.
00:48:07
Keck
she was wild she was watching her baby
00:48:17
Keck
I mean, it was just supposed to be crazy. I mean, that's the only reason.
00:48:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:21
Keck
I mean, no one would react that way. Yeah.
00:48:26
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, they pulled...
00:48:26
Keck
yeah I mean, unless there was something else in there, but, you know, I'm assuming was baby.
00:48:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, they pull to the stop sign and they see fucking death on the pale horse and he just gives them the nod and fucking keeps going.
00:48:35
Keck
Yeah.
00:48:38
Kevin Dougherty
He's like, yeah, what's
00:48:38
Keck
yeah what that I thought that was like one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse is you know what I was yeah behold the pale horse yeah
00:48:43
Kevin Dougherty
guys? Yeah. Yeah. You know, and behold the pale horse. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, yeah.
00:48:51
Keck
that actually really looked cool too.
00:48:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:48:54
Keck
Um, like at least the effect, like, um, not necessarily the face, like that could have been a little more badass, but like the effect of him walking up on the horse with like, you know, kind of like the, uh, I don't know, like it had sort of like a black flame coming off of it.
00:49:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:14
Keck
I thought it looked really cool.
00:49:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
00:49:16
Keck
Um,
00:49:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and he just kind of gives them the fucking nod, and they're just like, he's like, alright, let's go dancing. And the kid's like, dancing? Like, with our bodies?
00:49:25
Keck
Yeah.
00:49:25
Kevin Dougherty
Like, what kind of fucking handsome?
00:49:26
Keck
Yeah.
00:49:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:31
Keck
Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, don't know. It seems like people, I guess, don't really go dancing that much anymore. I mean, it's kind of a weird thing for you to say to your son who you only see once a year considering all that's transpired after, you know, just witnessing the
00:49:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:55
Keck
apocalypse and, you know, actually the horsemen of the apocalypse, the baby on fire.
00:49:59
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:50:01
Keck
Yeah, I mean, was just, you know, kind of a weird thing to suggest, but that's what his mother would do, you know?
00:50:08
Kevin Dougherty
yeah exactly it was just weird that he said like it's just weird that he said like with our bodies like how else would you dance like it's just a weird oh yeah yeah yeah that's true yeah
00:50:10
Keck
It was brilliant. I thought it was great. I thought it was really good.
00:50:19
Keck
i I think the kid was just like, kind of like surprised that he would, you know, say, or suggest that, you know, because, you know, he doesn't know his father at all.
00:50:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:50:33
Keck
Like, and um the only other last thing I wanted to mention about this, unless you have some more to add, was um Elijah Wood's cameo.
00:50:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, was going to say, we almost...
00:50:45
Keck
I don't know if we
00:50:48
Kevin Dougherty
No, I was going to say, almost forgot to talk about Elijah Wood. I was going to mention the cheerleader school bus first, where they all get their...
00:50:51
Keck
the oh Yeah.
00:50:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:50:55
Keck
well that's at the that's at the
00:50:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:50:57
Keck
very like literally at the very end of the movie the last the last thing that they thrown that was great but ah
00:50:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:03
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, Elijah Wood has advice.
00:51:03
Keck
yeah elijah wood plays the same character from yellow jackets essential
00:51:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, he's like this guru that's like married to like ah his ex at this point.
00:51:13
Keck
Yeah, but his personality was like the sassy when he was being sassy, the misty and yellow jackets.
00:51:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:51:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
00:51:22
Keck
Like it was that same character. You know what I mean?
00:51:25
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:51:26
Keck
But like, yeah, his he was what was he a leader coach and he was the leading leader coach in his field.
00:51:38
Keck
So he was able to say, I'm the leader of leaders in my field or something like that.
00:51:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:44
Keck
It was just totally ridiculous.
00:51:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. you but They're like holding in hands and like praying. Then he's like, I took your power back there. And he's like, what? I didn't say you could do that. ah
00:51:54
Kevin Dougherty
ah He's like, I'm coming after your marbles. Talking about your little balls. but
00:51:54
Keck
yeah
00:52:01
Keck
Yeah, that yeah he really got hardcore there for a second.
00:52:02
Kevin Dougherty
way Yeah. and He's like, I took your power. I didn't say you could take my power. He's like, you you can't you can't adopt the mic, kid.
00:52:16
Kevin Dougherty
I'm the leader. Like, what do you mean? Of course I can't. Like, or whatever he said.
00:52:21
Keck
I don't even understand. Like, I mean, ah hey I, I don't, I wouldn't want him to be like a deadbeat father or anything, like not be part, but like, if there's any like explanation, if there's any reason that would really merit a man to like, totally like abandon, like,
00:52:41
Keck
you know, his girl while she's pregnant and never be a part of his kid's life. This would be like the perfect excuse to do that. But like he chose not to, and that was just totally ridiculous.
00:52:55
Keck
know, like you point out.
00:52:55
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:52:56
Keck
I mean, that but hey, that's what made... the story possible and uh yeah what a story it was um it had um i think they said it was an estimated 10 million dollar budget so it was you know nothing crazy um you i know it grossed about 40 million in north america what did it do globally do you know that it's like over 60 right
00:53:20
Kevin Dougherty
Global worldwide was a
00:53:25
Kevin Dougherty
It was like 39, you know, six, whatever, domestic and 28 international. it made 68.4, globally. So more wide. point four
00:53:31
Keck
Yeah.
00:53:32
Kevin Dougherty
like
00:53:32
Keck
Yeah.
00:53:33
Kevin Dougherty
global so
00:53:34
Keck
Yeah, I thought they did you know a great ah great job.
00:53:36
Kevin Dougherty
lawide
00:53:38
Keck
you know you just had You had a couple cameos. You know you had um two actors that were able to fill two roles each, and you only had to pay them once.
00:53:48
Keck
So, you know um yeah, it was I just thought it was really well done. i can't think of any other specifics to add. Yeah.
00:54:04
Keck
do you have anything else for this? Like anything we're missing? i feel like, I feel like we always miss like one critical thing that I always kick myself at afterwards.
00:54:15
Keck
Like one, like important, like key plot item, like, you know, like, Oh yeah, we forgot to mention at the end, the yellow jackets, the cabin burned down.
00:54:23
Kevin Dougherty
guess
00:54:24
Keck
Oh, but ah with the monkey, I, yeah, I mean, I think we got it pretty much covered. Do you have any ah parting thoughts on the film?
00:54:32
Kevin Dougherty
No, I feel like we talked about the whole movie. So I hope if you are listening to this, you've watched the movie first before coming here.
00:54:39
Keck
yeah And even if you haven't, like, dude, like, you know, we were fucking cracking up the whole time, like uncontrollably. It was a fucking, yeah, it was just, it it was a lot of fun.
00:54:51
Keck
And um I got to tell you, like, with all the shit that's going on in the world right now, like, I mean, this was just like a real welcome, like, breath of fresh air, like, just a welcome relief.
00:54:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:55:04
Keck
So, ah yeah, this was just, I mean, this is a movie really for the whole family, I could say.
00:55:04
Kevin Dougherty
uh
00:55:09
Keck
like you know what I mean like this was just a lot fun so I mean obviously not for really small kids I mean but you know hey fuck it like Lois would say you know she's talking there what were they like 10 years old when she was talking about the uh bondage and fucking uh duct tape so you know whatever lot of fun man love this one uh love this one lots so uh anyway thank
00:55:12
Kevin Dougherty
oh seems like I've lost Keck there so I guess I'll ah wrap this up myself since we've already done 55 minutes anyway but thanks for joining me and thanks for joining us and we'll catch you guys soon and follow us on Facebook and the Facebook group and where else you get your information from us All right.
00:55:35
Kevin Dougherty
Peace.