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We discuss the cancellation of Dexter: Original Sin and 28 years later
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Introduction to Fright Central and 28 Days Later Discussion
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Brandon
Hi, good evening, and welcome to Fright Central, where we talk all things horror. My name is Brandon Keck, and I'm here with Kevin Dock. This evening, we're going to be talking about the third film in the, I guess you'd call it the 28 Days Later franchise.
00:00:36
Brandon
We had, ah was it 28 months later, Kev, or was it 28 weeks later was the second one?
00:00:44
Kevin Dougherty
Second one was weeks later. They didn't do a month later.
00:00:45
Brandon
Weeks later. Weeks
00:00:46
Kevin Dougherty
They skipped right to years later.
00:00:47
Brandon
And now we have 28 years later.
00:00:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:00:51
Brandon
um Just as a general disclaimer, this is not going to be a spoiler-free podcast. Here at Fright Central, we expect that if you're listening, you've either already seen the content or you just don't mind the drenched spoilers that we're going to be spewing out this evening.
Dexter Original Sin Cancellation News
00:01:13
Brandon
um But before we get on to that, ah we have some... Pretty unfortunate news, in my opinion, that Doc is going to fill you in on.
00:01:23
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, I mean, at least nobody died. That's not the unfortunate news that we have.
00:01:28
Brandon
Nobody's unavailable.
00:01:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's just unfortunate that ah Dexter Original Sin has been canceled after being renewed way back in March. ah There's no word on exactly why this has happened.
00:01:41
Kevin Dougherty
ah The rumors are it's like the studio doesn't want like two competing Dexter shows out there like I don't really know. i mean, i think it might be because of the merger between Paramount and Skydance, but i have really no idea.
00:02:00
Kevin Dougherty
Like, there's...
00:02:00
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, I looked in to see if I found like an official word from the studio or anything from anybody that was like, you know, ah ah officially affiliated with the production, and i couldn't find anything as of now, except that it's definitely canceled.
00:02:22
Brandon
And... I guess I would think that um the merger that you suggested would probably be my most likely ah theory, but still I don't get it. And the two competing Dexter ideas, like if they're going to be, unless they're going to be aired concurrently, I don't understand why, you know, that would be a problem. And even if they were,
00:02:53
Brandon
The amount of hype around Dexter right now, I don't think it's going to take away the viewership. I don't think somebody's going to be like, oh, you know, I'm going to watch Dexter Resurrection, but like Original Sin, like, you know, that's just not for me.
00:03:06
Brandon
Like, you know, everybody's like all hemming and hawing about Dexter. So i I don't understand. I thought it had an excellent cast. I thought it was solid acting.
00:03:18
Brandon
um The story was a little like flaky for me of the first season, but like other than that, i mean I thought it had tons of potential, and also it was very well received.
Dexter Series Ratings and Comparisons
00:03:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, ah the ah it got like an 8.2 on IMDb compared to Dexter Resurrections, which is at like a 9.2, I believe.
00:03:32
Brandon
Yeah.
00:03:44
Kevin Dougherty
Which is funny because I know ah how you feel about ah the new season so far.
00:03:44
Brandon
Yeah.
00:03:48
Brandon
Yeah.
00:03:48
Kevin Dougherty
well We'll have to get your thoughts on the final ah ah few episodes once they've aired. um We'll do a cast on that. but But the ah original Sin, like I don't know why...
00:04:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, like you said, why they would cancel it. I mean, the merger, I'm thinking it's because of but ah cost cutting, you know, trying to cut some costs. But it got the season finale at 2.97 million viewers, which might not seem like a lot, especially compared to Resurrection got 3.1 million viewers.
00:04:22
Kevin Dougherty
But you got to remember, this is also Showtime. And so people who signed up for that, that's an extra, if you get Paramount Plus with Showtime, that's an extra five bucks right there.
00:04:26
Brandon
yeah
00:04:31
Kevin Dougherty
Or or I believe Showtime by itself is like 10 bucks or something like that. I'm not really sure. i have it with Paramount Plus, so I watch it through there. And you get it early on Fridays, since and you don't have to wait until Sundays.
00:04:43
Kevin Dougherty
So, I mean, i was I was somewhat interested when that original Ascendant came out.
00:04:43
Brandon
That's true.
00:04:49
Kevin Dougherty
And then ah once you know you start to get more information about Michael C. Hall still doing the inner voice and everything, so he's still back in a way. Plus it had Christian Slater, which was great.
00:04:56
Brandon
Yeah.
00:04:59
Kevin Dougherty
And like, I thought the young cast was amazing.
00:04:59
Brandon
Yeah. yeah Yeah.
00:05:02
Kevin Dougherty
I thought they were all fantastic. i see a lot of like the complaints online. They're like, we don't need an original ah sin with a young Dexter. They should have just put Michael C. hogg ah Hall in that wig.
00:05:16
Brandon
See, I would have had a problem if they tried to do Michael C. Hall, like CGI to look younger.
00:05:21
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:05:21
Brandon
That would have been a fucking disaster.
00:05:22
Kevin Dougherty
But it but just ah but but just how about just him in a wig again like they did in the previous seasons? They try to make him look all young, and it's just him in long hair. I like how he did have a long hair in the first episode before he got the haircut.
00:05:35
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
00:05:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I was like, oh, look, they got his wig. So I thought that was pretty funny.
00:05:40
Brandon
I would say with Original Sin, my great i mean i wasn't really a fan of the actress that played Deb.
00:05:51
Brandon
um i thought she did like a decent job of being like a young like Jennifer Carpenter character, but I was i would have went in like a different direction.
00:06:02
Brandon
ah with that, but you know not to say she was like a bad actress or anything. um The only other thing I had mentioned this when we talked about in a previous podcast was that Christian Slater kind of towered over everybody, I thought.
00:06:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:06:16
Brandon
like you know His performance was just you know that cunning that you know only Christian Slater can deliver.
00:06:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:06:23
Brandon
you know People have said that if they only heard Christian Slater's voice, that they would envision Christian Slater exactly how he looks like, you know, and that's just like the dynamic of, you know, how powerful he is.
00:06:36
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:06:41
Brandon
And he was just sort of like a towering presence over everybody else. But
Differences Between Dexter Books and TV Series
00:06:46
Brandon
like, if that's your only complaint, like, you have a pretty fucking strong show.
00:06:52
Brandon
And like you just said, you know, it was well-received by everybody. You know, the only arguments online were pretty puny and pathetic. So, ah and also, they officially announced that it was renewed in April.
00:07:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, nothing.
00:07:09
Kevin Dougherty
Because it was so well received. Yeah, is that immediately.
00:07:11
Brandon
In April.
00:07:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it was March. It was like before the season ended, I think.
00:07:15
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah, they were. a it's And ah did you, you had told me, we had discussed this privately, ah you had said that you were going to like look into and see if you could find anything that, like any other thing ah where they had renewed it and then canceled it in such a short time window.
00:07:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Or right after.
00:07:37
Brandon
And did you find anything? Because I couldn't. I tried to look into it.
00:07:40
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, I haven't really looked. We did talk about it and we were, we did stipulate that it like, uh, COVID of anything during COVID doesn't count. If something was renewed before COVID and then got canceled during COVID, that doesn't count because that's a whole different circumstance there.
00:07:49
Brandon
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:07:56
Brandon
yeah Extreme circumstances, unprecedented circumstances.
00:07:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And the only other time I could think where that would have happened would be, uh, if it happened around a writer's strike.
00:08:07
Brandon
Yeah.
00:08:07
Kevin Dougherty
the only other time I could think that would happen, but I didn't really ah look ah look into it. But yeah, it's definitely very interesting to see something get canceled after already being renewed. I've definitely seen plenty of things being canceled and then being renewed again later on.
00:08:22
Kevin Dougherty
Or, you know, just, oh, we've ended this show or got canceled. and then years later... um They pick it up and do another one like t Twin Peaks or something like that.
00:08:31
Brandon
Yeah.
00:08:32
Kevin Dougherty
Or even Dexter coming back 10 years later, or however long it's been since... Before I'm talking about... Well, New Blood was only a couple years ago, but even before that, between the final season, New Blood was a a few years. so i
00:08:46
Brandon
You mean the final season of the original Dexter?
00:08:49
Kevin Dougherty
ah The original siri original Dexter...
00:08:52
Brandon
what how That ended, I think, in 2013, though, right? So it it was about 10 years between Dexter and
00:08:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, before Newborn. Yeah, so yeah, three there's been plenty of ah instances where shows came big, or sold to other people.
00:09:01
Brandon
So, yeah, it was. um We had also talked about New Blood being renewed.
00:09:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, we had ah No, well, no, it was I don't know if that was ever renewed.
00:09:10
Brandon
Like.
00:09:14
Brandon
Oh, no, no, no, no. I meant like when we did the cast about Dexter and New Blood, i think both of us had said that we thought they could have gotten another season out that easily.
00:09:16
Kevin Dougherty
oh yeah.
00:09:19
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yes.
00:09:26
Brandon
You know what I mean?
00:09:26
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, we were talking about how, like, yeah, he should go to, like, ah New York or L.A. and they should hunt together. And we were talking about that what after New Blood.
00:09:34
Brandon
Yeah.
00:09:35
Kevin Dougherty
And eventually we are kind of getting that. ah
00:09:39
Brandon
And, like, that second season, Harrison could have discovered, like, yo, Dad, I think what you're doing is gross.
00:09:40
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, they are.
00:09:45
Brandon
Like, I'm not like you. You know what i mean? And they could have made, like, a whole season out of, like, you know, that dynamic. But, like, or, you know, they could have not had Harrison shoot him.
00:09:54
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, they kind of are.
00:09:55
Brandon
And, like, they could have stayed there. And Harrison could have got to know his father. Like, I could have seen that story going in on it. multitude of different directions.
00:10:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:10:05
Brandon
Like, you know, like Dexter, like maybe not even being discovered by his girlfriend until like maybe the last episode at the very end. And it would have like dun, dun, dun, and then roll the credits.
00:10:17
Brandon
And then next season would have been like her investigating him and like collaborating with Bautista and him coming up there. And then, you know, I could have seen tons of ways the writers could have taken that story.
00:10:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, I'm glad they moved it out of that small town and into the back into a bit big city, because I like the...
00:10:36
Brandon
ah Technically, they didn't move it out. I mean, he died at the end, and that was just Finn.
00:10:41
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, but...
00:10:43
Brandon
And then it came to something totally different, but...
00:10:45
Kevin Dougherty
right Resurrection could have easily been, because he does wake up in the hospital in that town, Resurrection could have easily been him waking up in town and it still taking the place of the town, so yes.
00:10:51
Brandon
true True that, yeah. New Blood Season 2? Yeah. Good point. Good point.
00:10:58
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:10:58
Brandon
Good point.
00:10:58
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, I mean, they are kind of doing that with Harrison being like, I'm not like you. I want to go a different way with like, he's like now going to school to become a cop.
00:11:09
Kevin Dougherty
Spoilers, if you aren't that far ahead.
00:11:12
Brandon
I gave a disclaimer.
00:11:12
Kevin Dougherty
But now yeah yeah, I meant for you if you hadn't got that far, if you weren't caught up.
00:11:18
Brandon
Oh, no, no, no. i I had called up.
00:11:19
Kevin Dougherty
Okay.
00:11:21
Brandon
I am watching it on a week-to-week basis, as you had suggested. But um just getting back to um the cancellation of Original Sin, this is, you know, I'm disappointed.
00:11:32
Brandon
But, like, yeah, I mean, this is just um perplexing for me because I just – never really had seen something where somebody had, you know, like where it was universally well received and they had said before it even ended, it like, hey, it has been renewed for a second season, you know, we're going have, and then just a few months later, and like you said, during the pandemic and extenuating circumstances where like, you know, unprecedented things are happening,
00:12:03
Brandon
unprecedented measures are sometimes taken or I could see if something happened like catastrophic with funding if Paramount had dissolved or something say ah there was a tragic death of like Christian Slater or one the actors or ah you know I remember like back in the day like Roman Polanski was about to come out with a new movie but he had to like flee the country because you know everybody found out he was a pederast and like you know
00:12:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:12:31
Brandon
Alright, you know, that happened, but in this instance, at least...
00:12:35
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, he still makes movies and still gets distributed in the United States like it's fucking nothing.
00:12:37
Brandon
Yeah, he still makes me... Yeah, he's very, very, very available, but at least as far as we know factually right now, this is just like a, you know, a mindfuck, because there's been no real explanation as to why this has happened.
00:12:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:12:58
Brandon
Everything we're saying is just speculation. But ah it bums me out, man. i' i' really I really enjoyed that one.
00:13:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:13:05
Brandon
I thought it was i thought it was a very, very solid show. And, yeah, i don't know. Fucking Christian Slater. God damn it.
00:13:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I mean, he had, like after his great run on Mr.
00:13:14
Brandon
Yeah.
00:13:16
Kevin Dougherty
Robot, too, like him we really coming back to the scene.
00:13:17
Brandon
Yeah.
00:13:20
Brandon
Yeah.
00:13:20
Kevin Dougherty
Because, I mean, he'd done like a bunch of little independent stuff here and there and a few movies here and there, but nothing major.
00:13:21
Brandon
Crushed
00:13:25
Kevin Dougherty
I think Mr. Robot was his first major thing in a while.
00:13:29
Brandon
yeah Well, he had had some personal problems, I think, in his life where he kind of took like a little bit of a hiatus from acting. But, ah I mean, don't want know, really get into that. But, ah yeah, with Mr. Robot, he was back with a bang.
00:13:47
Brandon
ah You know, he was a very, very powerful presence.
00:13:47
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:13:51
Brandon
What a great character that was. And, I mean, he...
00:13:54
Kevin Dougherty
I wasn't expecting his role to be that big either in that show.
00:13:56
Brandon
yeah Oh, yeah, he he delivered so hard.
00:13:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:13:59
Brandon
And it was kind of like um a dexterous scene because, you know, at one point, like, Elliot, you know, realizes he's just, you know, seeing him in his head. And, yeah, so, yeah, Christian Slater knew that role real well.
00:14:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:14:12
Brandon
And I don't know really what else to say on this. it's just It's just, it's unfortunate.
00:14:19
Kevin Dougherty
It's disappointing, yeah.
00:14:20
Brandon
And, yeah, and it's also, again, this is going to be like a ah mystery until the studio... explain it if they explain themselves you know what I mean
00:14:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:14:30
Brandon
um
00:14:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I'm currently on book five of Dexter out of out of eight that they came out with.
00:14:31
Brandon
its
00:14:37
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, it's very different than the show.
00:14:40
Brandon
you had told me some about that right
00:14:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. um And then when was looking into it, it was because like the first season came out like right after the first book was released, like within a year after the first book was released. So I think they were kind of both written simultaneously as the seasons and books went on.
00:14:55
Brandon
Uh, what, didn't you say like jokes, like guys, like eyes cut out or something like something real.
00:14:56
Kevin Dougherty
So...
00:15:00
Kevin Dougherty
He got his tongue cut off.
00:15:00
Brandon
but up
00:15:02
Kevin Dougherty
I believe he's missing both his hands and both his feet.
00:15:08
Brandon
But he's like still alive and like around still working for Miami Metro.
00:15:10
Kevin Dougherty
he he's still alive and he's still like, he comes back to Metro because the like the police wouldn't pay him out for his disability or whatever.
00:15:21
Brandon
And he's there. stuff
00:15:24
Kevin Dougherty
yeah He's got like claws for hands and he yeah flip puts on a little device that like speaks for him. And like a lot of it's like pre, like,
00:15:30
Brandon
boy please Like hooks or like claws, like Wolverine type things.
00:15:34
Kevin Dougherty
Like, ah like ah you know, those the old school, like, no, no, it's more like the g gripper claw type of thing.
00:15:40
Brandon
oh like the the products that Oh, like the things where like you can like reach from.
00:15:41
Kevin Dougherty
It's like, oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:15:45
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, I know. he So he's just like, so he doesn't even, oh, so like they cheapskate him on his like medical benefits so he could only get claws.
00:15:47
Kevin Dougherty
She grabs them, yeah. yeah
00:15:57
Brandon
Oh, dude, that's right.
00:15:58
Kevin Dougherty
And they made him go back to work.
00:16:00
Brandon
ever Dude, that's fucked. yeah I mean, I can definitely understand why they decided to go in a different direction, but that said, I'd kind of like to see that.
00:16:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:16:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. But, uh, yeah, he never, uh, like they, they still haven't, there's no mention of the Bay Harbor butcher because nobody's found anything yet. Um,
00:16:22
Kevin Dougherty
Also, Deb ah knows that he's um been killing people. ah he's She's known since the end of the first book. And ah so in the fifth book, she's finally like, all right, Dexter, I think I might understand this now. And I think I need you to do that your way this time, because this guy can't just keep getting away with this. You know what I mean? Because, ah you know,
00:16:48
Kevin Dougherty
father in politics or whatever. So, yeah. So, and then ah Brian also doesn't die and the first book either. His brother, who's the ice truck killer, he actually, ah he's he a a Dexter lets him go and the and they kill LaGuardia.
00:17:04
Kevin Dougherty
So she's dead in the first book.
00:17:05
Brandon
Oh, so like, Maguerta dies like much earlier.
00:17:07
Kevin Dougherty
Angel's still... Yeah, Angel's still around, but he doesn't ah have a whole lot to do. He's just mentioned here and there. um Masuka, the other lab partner, he's in it a bunch.
00:17:20
Brandon
he a pert Is he a pervert in it? Or...
00:17:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, he's still the same character. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, he's still a huge fervor. Oh, he's hitting on Deb. Deb's exactly like the same, this wild card that like wants to do shit her way. But yeah, she knows.
00:17:34
Kevin Dougherty
And Dexter's...
00:17:34
Brandon
i like this Duka character, but he would have been fired. There is no way that, like, he wouldn't have had, like, multiple sexual harassment lawsuits.
00:17:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:45
Brandon
Like,
00:17:45
Kevin Dougherty
yeah And ah he, ah you know, he's still um married with God, why am I drawing a blank? Rita and ah Cody and Aster are still there, but they are both, you know, have also have been discovering their dark passenger and they're saying it's because of the abuse that their father would used to beat them all the time.
00:18:08
Kevin Dougherty
And so, like, they're trying to, like, learn from Dexter.
00:18:08
Brandon
Oh, so
00:18:12
Brandon
like to be killers oh wow.
00:18:13
Kevin Dougherty
be killers, yeah.
00:18:15
Brandon
So they go psychotic.
00:18:15
Kevin Dougherty
right Yeah, they actually, like, save Dexter almost twice, like, in two different books. They, like, ah like kids stat Cody stabs, with like, a cult leader or something at one point.
00:18:30
Brandon
Holy shit. So their characters like really, really develop while
00:18:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:18:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:18:35
Brandon
In the show, they kind of just fade away into obscurity and just make cameos.
00:18:38
Kevin Dougherty
they yeah i don't even remember where they are right now i know they're probably growing up and shit but yeah yeah but like
00:18:42
Brandon
They like went with their grandparents. They went with Rita's grandparents and they just like sporadically show up here and there.
00:18:50
Kevin Dougherty
yeah brian's just come back uh into the show as dexter's had his kid but the kid isn't harrison it's lily ann it's a girl
00:18:58
Brandon
ah
00:18:59
Kevin Dougherty
that's a major difference there and uh so she he's just had the kid and um brian's just come back and is playing like uncle now but deb knows that like he's a killer but deb hasn't been over to the house in a while so she doesn't uh know that brian's around but brian's just been like hanging out with the with the family and taking the kids out and like they went and killed the like brian went and killed a stray dog with him and shit so like he's like
00:19:01
Brandon
Yeah.
00:19:25
Kevin Dougherty
starting to like teach them and Dexter's really upset that like Brian's the being the one teaching and not him because you know Brian doesn't do things the same way
00:19:30
Brandon
Oh, wow. So there's a whole dynamic. They're like a family in that. So, yeah. Oh, wow. So they went wildly different directions.
00:19:35
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah but Brian's been doing like having to leave at like night to be like, oh, I have to go to work now. and but we, yeah there's I'm only like, I've just been not listening to the audio books, by the way, they're all free on Libby, but, uh, the, uh, there's only like two hours left of this one. And they're after some, like, uh, a kid who's been like, uh, eating like him and his group of friends have been eating people.
00:20:02
Kevin Dougherty
And like the people want to be eaten like the, yeah, they're like, oh, that's a fantasy of mine.
00:20:06
Brandon
Oh, yeah, there's...
00:20:08
Kevin Dougherty
I want to be in like,
00:20:09
Brandon
Unfortunately, that's, like, a real fantasy that's, like, online. Like, it's a real...
00:20:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, these are all based.
00:20:15
Brandon
It's a real disgusting fucking thing that I...
00:20:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:20:19
Brandon
Dude, I've been into some kinky shit in my life, but, like, what the fuck? Like, that's just fucking disgusting.
00:20:24
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:20:26
Brandon
to I mean, i I cannot see that in any way, shape, or form, but, yeah, it exists. So, in that, they actually have people that are like I want you to like you know cannibalize
00:20:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's like these two rich girls that are like, we want to be eaten alive, so they find like one of their friends at some... Her friend finds somebody at like a rave or whatever, and it's like some like ah vampire dude who goes by Vlad, and they they i hang out.
00:20:50
Brandon
me?
00:20:57
Brandon
What he's an actual vampire or he's just like a guy that dresses like a vampire?
00:20:59
Kevin Dougherty
No, but he did get like yeah he did get fake vampire teeth put in.
00:21:03
Brandon
Okay in one of those.
00:21:04
Kevin Dougherty
ah But yeah and like yeah, they've been like, eating people and they ate her one friend and the other friends like just like yeah i don't want to be saved what are you doing like i want to be eating like we so we searched this out like
00:21:18
Brandon
Alright, we
Authors Narrating Audiobooks
00:21:19
Brandon
gotta move on. This is fucking stomach turning for me. Yeah, I find that fucking disgusting.
00:21:20
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:21:22
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:21:23
Brandon
Oh my god.
00:21:24
Kevin Dougherty
yeah but yeah all the all the different yeah so all the all the uh books like they're pretty uh different from the show so if you're still earning for dexter i highly recommend reading or just listening to the audiobooks
00:21:25
Brandon
Just because it's like a real thing.
00:21:31
Brandon
Yeah.
00:21:37
Brandon
Yeah, now it's something that's interesting.
00:21:38
Kevin Dougherty
And they're all read by the author, so they're well well they're well done.
00:21:39
Brandon
and smith You're on the fifth book, you said?
00:21:42
Kevin Dougherty
Fifth book, yeah, yeah.
00:21:43
Brandon
And Brian is still alive.
00:21:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yep.
00:21:47
Brandon
Okay, that's interesting that yeah, that's Yeah, and there's there's a total of eight.
00:21:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:21:51
Kevin Dougherty
Eight, yes.
00:21:52
Brandon
Okay, yeah, yeah that's that's something I might check out.
00:21:53
Kevin Dougherty
and at And the author of the book, Jeff Lindsay, he ah he he reads them as well. He does the audiobooks. So you know you're...
00:22:03
Brandon
The writer actually reads his own shit?
00:22:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:22:06
Brandon
Oh, no. fuck You know, i ah ah ah slightly off topic, but ah you know Dante's Inferno, the epic work.
00:22:07
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I...
00:22:14
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:22:14
Brandon
I found that there's an audio version of that and it's free on YouTube. And I just went to check it out. They had so many different readers that for, I'm not joking, I think 10 to 15 minutes in the beginning is just them announcing who is reading the different characters.
00:22:31
Kevin Dougherty
oh so it's a full production
00:22:35
Brandon
Like, you know, and Oh God, dude.
00:22:39
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:22:39
Brandon
dirtre like dirt i I think they might've listed something like a hundred names.
00:22:45
Kevin Dougherty
So it's more than just an audiobook.
00:22:46
Brandon
crazy.
00:22:47
Kevin Dougherty
It's a full production of characters reading their parts.
00:22:47
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:50
Brandon
They get, yeah, they get into it.
00:22:52
Kevin Dougherty
Okay, yeah. Yeah,
00:22:52
Brandon
You know, I mean, you know, there's like, you know, uh, souls burning in hell, like everybody that like has any mention, like they're all read by a different, I do not, there may be some, uh, overlaps where somebody reads for two parts, but,
00:22:58
Kevin Dougherty
yeah. yeah
00:23:13
Brandon
I didn't hear it, and, you know, I was just skipping ahead, and i like, skipped ten minutes ahead, and I'm like, they're still fucking going? Like, what the fuck? So, you know, but, yeah, it's rare.
00:23:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. This is just him reading his own work.
00:23:27
Brandon
It's rare that a writer would read his own stuff, right?
00:23:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:23:30
Kevin Dougherty
ah Not these days.
00:23:31
Brandon
Like, I can't see Stephen King doing that.
00:23:33
Kevin Dougherty
No, but i would say like I would say a lot of authors nowadays. kind I mean, at least least a lot of all autobiographies are read by the person writing it.
00:23:40
Brandon
Oh, Yeah.
00:23:41
Kevin Dougherty
But i know a lot of the books I've listened to are sometimes read by the author, and I really appreciate those because you know they're getting the tone of what the characters would sound like because they wrote it.
00:23:46
Brandon
ah red party i mean Yeah.
00:23:52
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, they are also reading the girl parts and everything, but you know you're getting that inflection of how he would write it and not just trying to read what somebody... ah you know would think the way it would go I don't know if I'm explaining that right but yeah anyway moving on yeah
00:24:07
Brandon
no, I know what you mean, because, like, when a writer is writing something, like, he is trying to emulate the tone in his writing and effective writer like you know he can set the tone through his great writing and but at the same time at least in my experience, I've never like listened to an audio book that was like, ah you know, narrated by the person that actually wrote.
00:24:32
Brandon
it Usually they'll get like a professional narrator. That's great in setting tones. You know and I mean?
00:24:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:24:38
Brandon
Because a great writer does not often translate to like a great speaker, you know and I mean? So, but yeah, you're saying that's more commonplace now.
00:24:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I mean, they're all mostly.
00:24:49
Kevin Dougherty
I would say few of them, at least like the newer novels. I mean, obviously the ones that come out in the, you know, and beyond. beyond that are probably paid to get somebody, but I would say some of the newer authors probably do it.
00:25:06
Kevin Dougherty
of I mean, why not, right?
00:25:08
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, why not? Yeah. yeah Well, I mean, it it, well, why not?
00:25:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:25:13
Brandon
I would say why not if, like, you don't believe that, like, you're a good speaker or if you don't you don't think you could deliver.
00:25:18
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah. I understand that.
00:25:20
Brandon
I mean, like, if I wrote a book, for example, and it, like, did really well, I don't think that I would be able to sound off on my own book with, because, you know, I'm just not, like, a public speaker, like,
00:25:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:25:37
Brandon
I don't believe that I would possess the skill to properly reflect what I had written. So I would source out to a professional that was like, you know, able to, you know, basically translate what I was trying to, you know, get.
00:25:53
Brandon
And that has been my experience. I've never listened.
00:25:57
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, I'm right there with you.
00:25:57
Brandon
Yeah.
00:25:57
Kevin Dougherty
I would do the same thing just because I wouldn't feel comfortable. i mean, would neither of us still feel comfortable even doing this podcast?
00:26:01
Brandon
Yeah.
00:26:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:26:04
Brandon
Yeah, but I mean, if you if you do believe like you have that, yeah, then why why not at that point? Like, if you believe that you possess a skill or you're like, you know what, I'm not having anybody else read the shit I wrote.
00:26:17
Brandon
This is all about me. Then, you know, why the fuck not? But yeah, I couldn't do it and I haven't experienced that.
00:26:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and it's all it's all from like a first-person perspective. So, I mean, you could easily have gotten Michael C. Hall to ah to do the whole audiobook as well. I mean, he would have been more expensive than just doing it yourself.
00:26:36
Kevin Dougherty
But, ah yeah, let's ah get back into our main topic tonight, which is...
00:26:42
Brandon
28 years later. 28 years, and they still have not dealt with this fucking
28 Days Later Franchise Overview and Setting
00:26:52
Brandon
pandemic. That is kind of, I guess, just starting off. I mean, first off, 28 years later.
00:27:00
Brandon
Who was this directed by?
00:27:03
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:27:03
Brandon
This was original director of 28 Days Later? Is that what you had told me?
00:27:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, Danny Boyle, and written by Alex Garland.
00:27:10
Brandon
So it's... and And did Danny Boyle also direct 28 weeks later?
00:27:17
Kevin Dougherty
No. 28 weeks later, that was
00:27:25
Kevin Dougherty
ah the one with Jeremy Renner, which I forgot he was in it.
00:27:27
Brandon
Yeah.
00:27:28
Kevin Dougherty
i only know that movie as...
00:27:28
Brandon
Yeah. yeah I just remember Robert Carlyle.
00:27:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:31
Brandon
Like, I haven't seen it in years.
00:27:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:33
Brandon
So, you know, i just remember. And, like, you had told me that Robert Carlyle's character actually dies off pretty soon. And I was just like, huh. It's weird. I only remember Robert Carlyle.
00:27:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's how I felt. And I was like, man, I need to go back and watch 28 years later. i was like, I remember not 20 weeks later. i was like, i remember not being as good as 28 days later, being a little bit at this point.
00:27:55
Brandon
It was. Yeah, it was.
00:27:56
Kevin Dougherty
But I was like, oh, I remember Robert Carlyle was in it. And the like, that's all I can remember.
00:28:00
Brandon
Yeah.
00:28:01
Kevin Dougherty
Like, and then I went back and watched. I was like, he dies like the first like 20 minutes of this movie.
00:28:06
Brandon
He dives that early on in the film?
00:28:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:28:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, the only scene is like at the very beginning where he escapes from the house and he sees his wife die, or he thinks he sees his wife die, and then ah him living in the city and getting getting his children from the train, and then his wife like shows up, and then he goes it kisses his wife, and then and because it transfers into saliva, and he turns into he turns into the first Rage Monster that reignites the whole thing.
00:28:10
Brandon
hear it.
00:28:39
Brandon
Oh, well, I, you know, I'm saying, uh, but you know what I have? I really don't remember that.
00:28:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:28:45
Brandon
I thought Robert, I remember Robert Carlyle being in it. I know he died, but I thought that he like, you know, died like more towards the end of the film and not in like the beginning.
00:29:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:29:00
Brandon
so yeah that's yeah and jeremy yeah i don't remember jeremy runner really being in it jeremy runner is the same actor that was in like the hurt locker and uh the mayor king all right i'm thinking this yeah i don't remember him being it at all but back then he wasn't as known of an actor right
00:29:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
00:29:16
Kevin Dougherty
yeah He's like, no, no. and ah But he's like the main like guy in it, too.
00:29:23
Brandon
main character
00:29:23
Kevin Dougherty
like After Robert Carlyle dies, yeah. It's just funny. And then it's like Rose Byrne. I was like, okay, I forgot her. She was at Idris Elba shows up. And like this is before, i think, The Wire, maybe, too.
00:29:35
Brandon
No shit, yeah.
00:29:35
Kevin Dougherty
Or maybe around the same time as The Wire. I don't know. Yeah.
00:29:39
Brandon
and So this was early in a lot of their careers. Because this was, uh, 28, this was like, I re, Jeremy Renner, the first thing I remember seeing him in was The Hurt Locker, you know, because I think that, like, won, like, a lot of awards, and then after that, he kinda, I think he went on to do, like, one of the Bourne movies when Matt Damon...
00:29:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:30:01
Brandon
I stopped doing it, and i remember thinking, like, oh, yeah, this doesn't really, yeah. So, but ah at any rate, yeah, i I don't remember much about that.
00:30:07
Kevin Dougherty
And then he's, you know, Hawkeye. and he's Hawkeye in the Marvel movies, so.
00:30:13
Brandon
um I don't do the Marvel movies, so I wouldn't know.
00:30:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:30:16
Brandon
But, yeah, I don't remember much about
00:30:16
Kevin Dougherty
And then he was in that one Mission Impossible movie, so. Yeah. ah Wow, I can't even remember the first movie I saw that he was in.
00:30:21
Brandon
but
00:30:25
Kevin Dougherty
That I recognized him.
00:30:26
Brandon
But with 28 years later, um I had initially Jeffrey Dahmer's in it.
00:30:29
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, I knew he played Jeffrey Dahmer, but yeah.
00:30:34
Kevin Dougherty
No, Jeremy Renner played Jeffrey Dahmer at one point. I remember when that came out ah when we were at the video store.
00:30:38
Brandon
I did not see. Whoa, I didn't see that.
00:30:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's just called Dahmer. We've seen it. We watched him when it when came out.
00:30:44
Brandon
I know. I saw. That was Jeremy Rock. I remember seeing it. I do remember seeing like a Jeffrey Dahmer movie. I didn't know that was Jeremy Renner.
00:30:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:30:55
Brandon
Like, was that, like, really early in his career? Like, before he was, like, known at all? Like, one of his, like, first films?
00:31:01
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:31:01
Brandon
You're not talking... This wasn't the Dahmer thing that just did series. This was... Because there were two... Boy, I might be... I saw one... Well, I saw two Ted Bundy...
00:31:11
Brandon
There were two different Ted Bundys. I saw... All right, so this is way back when.
00:31:13
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah yeah we before yeah this is his first like
00:31:15
Brandon
Okay. Yeah. I have no recollection of that at all.
00:31:21
Kevin Dougherty
I dont know. I wouldn't even call it a major movie because it was like direct to to video. I guess this first major movie was SWAT, that remake of that series with ah Samuel Jackson.
00:31:32
Brandon
yeah yeah i i have i don't want yeah
00:31:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. But anyway, moving on. Yeah. And then the end of 28 weeks later, and the virus gets out and they're like rampaging across Paris.
00:31:44
Kevin Dougherty
But then this one starts out and they're like, nope, we've, ah you know, fought it all back. It's just contained to this island. And we're surrounded with military ships. So you can't get...
00:31:55
Kevin Dougherty
a
00:31:55
Brandon
won't Wait, that that was something that I was a little bit confused about 28 years later, which I will say um i had like a lot of reluctance towards this. like I was probably just not even going to watch this film. I had actually seen something on the PBS NewsHour about it where a guy came on and said, like I was really surprised by this. I actually think that this was a great addition to the, i guess, you know, that, well I don't want to call it a franchise, but I guess, you know, for lack of a better term.
00:32:31
Kevin Dougherty
trilogy, I guess, but it's going to be a franchise for the next one, so...
00:32:32
Brandon
Yeah. And he had said, Yeah, he had said that it was, like, one of the most dynamic zombie movies he had ever seen. And he said, you know, this was, like, a really refreshing contrast from, like, The Walking Dead and, you know, people that were kind of sick of that idea. And then after I heard that, you had just told me that you got back from seeing it in theaters.
00:32:58
Brandon
And you were like, yeah, dude, ah it was very different, but, like, I definitely think it was, you know, something you want to check out, and initially, in the first, like, five to ten minutes, I thought it was, like, really odd, like, I thought it was really strange, I, like, they had, like, these, like, weird flashbacks to, like,
00:33:22
Brandon
I don't know if it was like colonial England or something. and like, there was like marching, like ah drummers. i was like, wait, what the fuck is going on? And then, ah I don't know. Then it sort of started like delving into something that like was more, i don't know. I felt like a drama about like the duality a man and how we treat each other kind of, but before like delving right into the plot,
00:33:51
Brandon
Can you explain something to me? I guess geographically, I'm a little bit like confused as to where this pandemic, or where the infection, I guess, is contained to. I thought it was all of like the mainland United Kingdom. I thought it was like all England.
00:34:14
Brandon
And, you know, like maybe like, yeah, like maybe the surrounding area. And I thought that the survivors were on a small island off the coast of mainland England.
00:34:28
Brandon
And I thought all of mainland England was pretty much quarantined by the rest of the world, which was the case 28 Days Later. But you're saying that this was like a very small geographical area?
00:34:42
Brandon
Like this, the whole like infection was remote to like a small island off the ah coast of the United Kingdom mainland? Or...
00:34:51
Kevin Dougherty
No, it's all the mainland.
00:34:52
Brandon
would say oh so this is, it is all the United Kingdom. Like the United Kingdom is just like, and yeah, see...
00:34:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:00
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know about ah Ireland or Scotland, but maybe...
00:35:03
Brandon
Like Ireland... yeah Yeah, that's something i was confused about. I did not understand where they were going because I was trying to figure it out. i was like, it's 28 years later, and you guys still have not been able to, well, obviously they've been able to contain it, but I would think that like I would want to just totally eradicate it.
00:35:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. It looks like United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland.
00:35:27
Brandon
I would have bombed it.
00:35:28
Brandon
ah um bomb
00:35:32
Kevin Dougherty
So all of it, I guess.
00:35:33
Brandon
So all of England and all of Ireland?
00:35:36
Kevin Dougherty
Ireland and Scotland. Yeah, I believe so.
00:35:37
Brandon
Ireland. Oh, so it is the entire United Kingdom.
00:35:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:35:40
Brandon
And then in the plot, you have like a small group of survivors that are an island that's reminiscent of a site I saw in Bar Harbor, Maine, where due to the tide, you can only reach this area on foot during low tide.
00:35:42
Kevin Dougherty
Hard to tap.
00:36:02
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:36:02
Brandon
And during high, you know, during high tide, like you have a body of water during low tide, you have like a clean, like walking path where you're on solid land.
00:36:13
Brandon
So that kind of gives them like, you know, protection. They know when to guard against things when they have their guard up, you know, they have gates. I don't understand why these people don't bounce.
00:36:25
Brandon
I don't, I didn't get the sense like, I didn't the sense that they couldn't leave.
00:36:29
Kevin Dougherty
They couldn't leave. vietnam
00:36:33
Brandon
Even though they're all not infected and they're on like an, ah so like.
00:36:39
Kevin Dougherty
No, it's established that way when you meet the military guy later in the movie, it's established that like it's a quote complete quarantine zone.
00:36:43
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:47
Kevin Dougherty
Once you're on the island, you are not allowed back off. If you try to get off, you will be killed because they are taking no chances with it getting out. ah Because I guess of what happened in 20 weeks later where the infection started with someone that wasn't showing symptoms because she had that like genetic disease.
00:37:06
Brandon
uh all right so yeah they're all right all right yeah
00:37:08
Kevin Dougherty
So she was a carrier of it, but she was, but she couldn't, ah she didn't actually turn.
00:37:14
Brandon
that's right yeah i i remember that
00:37:14
Kevin Dougherty
so I believe that's why they are, you know, just shoot on site. Anybody that, that tries to come off. That's why that guy was like, Oh fuck, I'm stuck here now. Like I can't get back home.
00:37:25
Kevin Dougherty
Cause they were,
00:37:25
Brandon
Oh, Eric, yeah, the the Swedish soldier. Yeah, I remember.
00:37:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yes. yeah
00:37:29
Brandon
um This was a major plot point that I didn't like, though, because it's 28 years
28 Years Later Plot and Character Developments
00:37:35
Brandon
later. We're talking about three decades after the initial outbreak.
00:37:40
Brandon
In that case, if you don't want to take any chances, I'm not saying, like, they need to use nuclear weapons because that would damage the larger environment. But you could bomb them into oblivion.
00:37:55
Brandon
with like, you know, the largest non-nuclear bombs we have, I would just want to completely annihilate the entire infection. To me, that would be taking no chances.
00:38:08
Brandon
That would be completely liquefying and making that ground totally uninhabitable. like
00:38:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:38:17
Brandon
I would want to wipe anything out. And if there's only a small group of survivors, you know i you know, that's unfortunate. But for the greater good, if we already have a policy saying that, like, they can't leave or we're going to shoot them on sight, why would you? Well, I guess the reason they didn't do that is because they couldn't make a movie about it.
00:38:40
Kevin Dougherty
the but Yeah.
00:38:40
Brandon
i guess I guess that's kind of answering my own question.
00:38:41
Kevin Dougherty
It just opens up.
00:38:43
Brandon
Like, why wouldn't you do that?
00:38:44
Kevin Dougherty
It's waiting.
00:38:45
Brandon
It would just open up 28 years later.
00:38:48
Kevin Dougherty
bla
00:38:48
Brandon
They would show the ah United Kingdom. Everything would be, you know, obliterated and then roll credits.
00:38:55
Kevin Dougherty
it but It would 28 days later and it would show clips from the first movie.
00:38:55
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:00
Kevin Dougherty
Then it would say 28 weeks later, show clips of the next movie. And then it would say 28 months later it would just show them carpet bombing the UK.
00:39:12
Brandon
Yo, I could see that being a good movie, though.
00:39:13
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:39:14
Brandon
Like, you have, like, the last remaining survivors, like, trying to escape the bombardment of bombs.
00:39:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And then...
00:39:21
Brandon
Like, you know, you have a thing, like...
00:39:22
Kevin Dougherty
No. Then you do a 28 years later and it's like a post-apocalyptic movie where the where there's still like people have survived the bombs by getting down into shelters or whatever, you know, because they have, you know, World War war two They've had bomb shelters in the UK.
00:39:40
Kevin Dougherty
So it's like so some people found those and we were able to get to those in time.
00:39:40
Brandon
Yeah.
00:39:44
Kevin Dougherty
and And it's about them coming like back out. and like trying to get out of like the UK, and there might still be you know zombies around or something. like That would have been fucking interesting.
00:39:55
Brandon
Kev, they really should consulted you before making that. Yeah, that's the I think that would have been...
00:39:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:40:02
Brandon
and i guess, overall, I like this film. I mean, let's talk about what I didn't like.
00:40:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I would say so.
00:40:10
Brandon
Well, first off, what I did like about it was that it seemed that like they had something that was not present, at least I don't remember in any of the previous two films.
00:40:22
Brandon
They had something called The Alpha.
00:40:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, because they're like evolving.
00:40:24
Brandon
And the Alpha was basically... Yeah. and An evolution...
00:40:28
Kevin Dougherty
Or devolving, I should say. And then, you know, yeah it's restarting. Evolution is restarting.
00:40:34
Brandon
Yeah, exactly. The infected... They're not like just like mindless, crazed zombies. like They have an understanding of basic motor functions.
00:40:46
Brandon
They all seem to be males with very large penises.
00:40:50
Kevin Dougherty
They all seem to be naked for some reason, too.
00:40:51
Brandon
That was... Yeah, they're all naked they're all naked and they're all really well hung.
00:40:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:40:57
Brandon
And that that is one thing, I mean, I was wondering whether I should even bring this up, but I feel like they really wanted like floppy wieners to be something people discussed with that.
00:41:09
Brandon
When you have fully naked, like hung like horsemen running full steam at you, yeah, I...
00:41:09
Kevin Dougherty
here
00:41:17
Brandon
I was thinking, like, if they're the alphas and they are evolving, like, wouldn't you, like, wear some fucking clothes? Like, you know i mean?
00:41:25
Kevin Dougherty
They're still like in cavemen type.
00:41:26
Brandon
To make yourself a little...
00:41:29
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:41:30
Brandon
Because not everyone was naked.
00:41:30
Kevin Dougherty
They're not bad at fans.
00:41:32
Brandon
Like, some of them were still wearing rags and stuff like that.
00:41:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:36
Brandon
But, like, that was one, like, really weird thing. But anyway, again, trying to get by my...
00:41:40
Kevin Dougherty
he was like no no but no let's stay with the dog
00:41:43
Brandon
All right. Stay with the floppy dongs. You got more to talk about there?
00:41:47
Kevin Dougherty
but yeah it was like well i guess if you're that well hung why not like just show it off there's a choice ah yeah
00:41:52
Brandon
Oh, so you think that it was a choice by the alphas. You're just like, yo, I'm not trying to cover this up.
00:42:00
Kevin Dougherty
but ha
00:42:01
Brandon
Well, and I think
00:42:03
Kevin Dougherty
And the funny thing is, the first, like, ah because I tried to avoid, but besides the original teaser, I tried to avoid the the trailer for this movie because i was like, I'm already to see it don't want to see anything for it.
00:42:15
Kevin Dougherty
But I did end up reading online about the dong. And then so when I went to see it ah with my friend, I turned or i was like, I did hear about one huge spoiler in this movie.
00:42:28
Kevin Dougherty
I was like, I'm not going to tell you what it is and until after. But ah I thought that was pretty funny.
00:42:34
Brandon
That guy's got to be like 10 to 12 inches flaccid. So when you say hung like a horse, like that's what these guys were going for. i'll know mate I don't know if they were just like that or if the infection does that, like something in the rage or, you know what mean? Like, I guess.
00:42:55
Brandon
But the other aspect that they introduced that was definitely not present in of the other ones is that these things are like reproducing.
00:43:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:43:04
Kevin Dougherty
And the babies were coming out normal.
00:43:04
Brandon
And normal, and I guess, like like, in the film, you see a baby that comes out normal where, we'll just call him Ray Fiennes, comes in and he talks about how he had theorized that, like, the placenta does, like, miraculous things and that, you know, the infected children are actually not infected.
00:43:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:43:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:43:32
Brandon
So i guess in this instance where they show in the film, the baby is born. They're there to rescue the child. But I guess what's happening in the natural course of things is they're birthing normal children. And then I guess they all rip into the baby.
00:43:50
Brandon
And then the baby turns rage filled after that and then grows into a rage filled thing. I guess that's the only thing that makes sense.
00:43:57
Kevin Dougherty
yeah but do you think the babies would still be ah the i feel like the babies would still be a carrier so even if you like raise the child like if you again it with the 20 weeks later it it could be a simple thing a change of saliva and you've now infected somebody else and restarted no they don't no
00:44:07
Brandon
Yeah, maybe.
00:44:14
Brandon
They don't really, well, they don't really get that far, they don't delve that far into it, so, you know, we leave that up to the imagination. Or it could be like a, like, if what if it's like a sexually transmitted disease?
00:44:21
Kevin Dougherty
could be in the sequel
00:44:25
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:44:25
Brandon
Where like you grow up and like you're a normal guy with like a huge dong. And the ladies are all about you. And then like you have sex. And then like you wake up.
00:44:37
Brandon
And i don't know. Maybe like it takes like a couple. Instead of it instantly. Or maybe it does happen instantly.
00:44:43
Kevin Dougherty
No, right after he comes.
00:44:44
Brandon
And you're like, oh shit, this bitch is freaking out.
00:44:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:44:47
Brandon
She's full of rage. like, you know, the, you know, I had the killer and, you know, I mean that dude's in prison, I don't know, or maybe it could take like hours or something.
00:44:57
Brandon
Like, you know, it'll be like a joke. Like every girl you're with men, like she goes psychotic and has to be like killed by the police, like you know, the next day or something like that.
00:45:06
Kevin Dougherty
Thank you.
00:45:08
Brandon
Yeah. I mean that, I mean, we don't know where that's going to go, but yeah, the babies are natural. So, I was thinking, though, if there was nobody there to save the child from the infected, I would assume that they would infect the child.
00:45:27
Brandon
They don't really show that. It's just left to the imagination.
00:45:29
Kevin Dougherty
Was this the first one where the you actually see them eating somebody as well?
00:45:30
Brandon
No.
00:45:35
Kevin Dougherty
Because I remember the very first 28 Days Later, they never eight the ate anyone.
00:45:40
Brandon
no
00:45:41
Kevin Dougherty
They just would get blood on them.
00:45:43
Brandon
Like, they would throw up on you. Like, yeah.
00:45:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, or throw up on you, or just give blood on you, and you would turn.
00:45:45
Brandon
It was, like, kind of, yeah.
00:45:48
Kevin Dougherty
And i don't remember them I don't remember them eating anyone 20 weeks later, but I wasn't paying that much attention to it.
00:45:48
Brandon
Yeah, there was no bite.
00:45:54
Brandon
Yeah.
00:45:55
Kevin Dougherty
It was only because I really noticed it in this one. I was like, wait a second, they're now they're just eating people as well? Because that's not how they were before. Yeah.
00:46:03
Brandon
But this is 28 years later. So in the other ones, you have to think of freshly infected people. You know, they're not like and necessarily craving nutrients. They don't necessarily have to like resort to eating.
00:46:15
Kevin Dougherty
True.
00:46:16
Brandon
and he This is necessary for their survival now.
00:46:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and they are evolving.
00:46:20
Brandon
You know, this all in debt yeah this this is like not like where you're just like, you know walking around i like, you know, these are, you know,
00:46:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:30
Brandon
they have like their own like society, uh, you know?
00:46:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they were they were starving out at the end of the first one.
00:46:37
Brandon
Yeah.
00:46:38
Kevin Dougherty
So if they didn't start eating and like some were just eating animals, I guess maybe they were eating their own babies when they started having babies.
00:46:46
Brandon
They also had like certain different variants, like, because in the very beginning of the film, when it starts out and they first show the infected, uh,
00:46:57
Brandon
I was like, what the fuck? Because they showed like this like weird like slug-like people. They all had like gray skin.
00:47:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:05
Brandon
They looked like they were bloated like slump people that like lived near bodies of water. And they like looked like real blobbish like – Dante, you know, I talked about it reminded me of like the circle of hell where he meets like the gluttonous that are like these fat blobs of people that are like suffering their hell from the gluttony that they committed in their lives. And I was just like, so that's how the infected like have evolved. They're all like these gray, scaly, like real fat people that like walk and kind of like slither around on their bellies at times. And I was just like,
00:47:45
Brandon
ah ah, and I wasn't, like, really a big fan of the special effects on them either, and i was also, like, kind of, like, weirded out, like, by, i don't know, like, the, like, the whole, like, idea of his son, like, you know, him bringing his kid over to, like, the mainland to hunt these bobs, and I was just like, wow, that's where they went with the story, but then that suddenly stopped, and then they showed, like,
00:48:15
Brandon
I guess that was like trying to word this properly. I guess they don't really... Well, it's hard to explain because they don't really explain that.
00:48:27
Brandon
But it seemed like through this evolution that certain... parts of the infected had, like, different factions. Like, I guess there's a certain kind of infected that live out in the wilderness that are separated from the rest of the pack who have evolved in different ways where they look like blobs of human, like morbidly obese humans with gray skin. i think they were hairless, too.
00:49:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they were probably the ones eating all the animals.
00:49:01
Brandon
And... yeah or Something like that.
00:49:02
Kevin Dougherty
That's why they're fat.
00:49:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. They're just constantly eating. Yeah.
00:49:04
Brandon
Yeah, they looked like they, and their skin was like gray.
00:49:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:09
Brandon
Like they did not look human, really.
00:49:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:12
Brandon
And then you have the other infected that seemed to look like the infected that you see in the previous two films, only they're a lot more dirty and most of them are naked.
00:49:26
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:49:26
Brandon
And then you have the third variant of infected, which we discussed the alpha and the alpha seems to have like, not only being like huge naked and well hung, the alpha appears to also be kind of like commanding the others.
00:49:48
Brandon
Like he was able, like, I guess the others, they have respect.
00:49:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they have like...
00:49:52
Brandon
Like they realize the alpha, like they're like, you know, I'm, Your dong's bigger than mine. You're the alpha. Well, they also say, you know, joking aside, they say the alphas are larger than the others, and they're smarter than the others. And it seems like the other infected recognize their authority.
00:50:13
Brandon
And you see in the film, when they first encounter an alpha... it like lets out that like white walker kind of like and then you know all the infected like run after it and I was like yes well at least the alphas communicate like you know the other pack seems mindless
00:50:24
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:50:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they do like kind of communicate in this one. Like grunts and stuff. yeah yeah even though the um Yeah. Even those big ones in the beginning, they kind of like are communicating when they yell that scream.
00:50:42
Kevin Dougherty
They're kind of communicating to the other one.
00:50:44
Brandon
which big ones in the beginning are you talking about with
00:50:47
Kevin Dougherty
The morbidly obese ones that you said.
00:50:49
Brandon
Oh, were they?
00:50:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:50:52
Brandon
didn't remember that.
00:50:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they're
00:50:53
Brandon
So they have like some kind of like very primitive form of communication where they're able to at least dictate to one another what they want through screeching.
00:51:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. and Basically like cavemen grunts and groans types of stuff.
00:51:07
Brandon
Yeah. yeah They are, like we said, they are evolving.
00:51:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:12
Brandon
And ah the only thing I didn't understand was, I guess, the gray race.
00:51:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:18
Brandon
I didn't get like how they were so separate, like the blobs. The other ones looked like they were like fairly malnourished. And then the other ones, like you said, maybe they were in the woods eating all the animals and drinking all the water. But I don't know why they got gray and hairless and b blah, blah. I don't know
00:51:38
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, it doesn't matter.
00:51:38
Brandon
It was just very, very, and they seem, that and to one other characteristic is the big blob ones. They seem to move very slowly. So, you know, because they were like he, the kids like hunting them at one point and, you know, they're, ah some of them are like on their bellies.
00:51:58
Brandon
and the other ones are just moving like very slowly. So they seem to be like their own like separate faction. I just don't know how they would be able to creep up on animals being so fat and so slow.
00:52:14
Brandon
So that was just sort of like a plot hole for me, like or at least something that I wasn't able to really come to terms with in my mind.
00:52:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I can see.
00:52:23
Brandon
yeah. Yeah.
00:52:26
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:52:26
Brandon
just It just didn't make sense based on the rest of the story
Character Dynamics and Unique Rituals in 28 Years Later
00:52:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. the The beginning is basically him and his father going on like a, you know, rite of passage, uh, take him to the mainland, uh, to shoot, uh, like one of these fat ones.
00:52:32
Brandon
to me.
00:52:38
Brandon
Yeah.
00:52:44
Kevin Dougherty
And they get kind of caught out there for a minute. And then they see, yeah, they see a, fire off of the distance and his son's asking him about it.
00:52:46
Brandon
Oh, hunting. Oh.
00:52:52
Kevin Dougherty
And, uh, uh, and he's like, Oh, you don't want to go there. that guy is crazy.
00:52:57
Brandon
Oh, yeah, you should talk about this.
00:52:58
Kevin Dougherty
I'm like, And then they don't like mention like why until they get back. and they're like And he had talked to his father, his grandfather, and his grandfather was like, yeah, he was a doctor. i went crazy. Oh, your dad will tell you the story. He's like, ah, you shouldn't have told him.
00:53:15
Kevin Dougherty
And then he's like... We were kids and we saw him on the ridge and he was, ah you just you know, taking all the dead bodies and lining them up and then, you know, burning them. And we, and he saw us and he waved.
00:53:28
Kevin Dougherty
So yeah, that guy is crazy. He waved to come towards us.
00:53:31
Brandon
Well, I can understand them being bugged out. I get that.
00:53:35
Kevin Dougherty
Right. In a land where there's zombies, it's not like ah I could see, yes, if I went and I was hiking with my friends and over the ridge we saw some random dude stacking bodies and burning them, yeah, I'd be fucking scared.
00:53:40
Brandon
Yeah.
00:53:50
Kevin Dougherty
And think he was like waving to us, yeah, I'd be fucking terrified. But in a world where like the undead, or though I guess they're not technically undead, but when there's you know rage zombies fucking coming at you, i think a guy who's just...
00:54:03
Brandon
We'll just call them infected.
00:54:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, you're in an apocalyptic situation where, you know, and they've completely overrun the area area and people are trying to survive.
00:54:05
Brandon
Yeah, infected people.
00:54:14
Kevin Dougherty
And he's the one guy that's like cleaning shit shit up. You know what I mean?
00:54:18
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:19
Kevin Dougherty
As far as I can see. Yeah, he is a little nuts when we do meet him. i don't remember what his name was in the movie, but Ray Fiennes. I'm pretty sure he doesn't even know he was in that movie because it was just Ray Fiennes.
00:54:32
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah, he was like covered in iodine.
00:54:33
Kevin Dougherty
But...
00:54:36
Brandon
oh one thing I just want to point out before moving forward, we didn't really touch on it. um The whole movie like evolves to the kid wanting to cure his mother.
00:54:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:54:46
Brandon
His mother is very sick and his father basically, he's like fucking around with different women. And it kind of like you get the impression that he kind of wants his wife out of the way.
00:55:00
Brandon
Because, you know, he wants to, like, you know, be a scumbag. His father didn't really seem like a very good person.
00:55:07
Kevin Dougherty
No, yeah.
00:55:07
Brandon
And, you know, the kid's just like, you know what? Fuck my father. He's not a good guy. I'm going to do whatever I need to do to get my mother help. And I hear there's a doctor there.
00:55:20
Brandon
And like you just pointed out, my dad said he's crazy because he waved at us.
00:55:25
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:55:26
Brandon
a Yeah, that I'm going to go say that.
00:55:30
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah you gotta come up with a better story than he just waved us over like real happy than than that because if like my dad told me that and it was like yeah he'd he would I would be like yeah I'm definitely gonna go see that guy and get him because I'm sure he's probably a normal fucking dude like especially in this situation yeah exactly
00:55:30
Brandon
like I think it's worth giving this guy to benefit it out.
00:55:52
Brandon
yeah I don't want to see him anyway. a doctor. He's a doctor. That's a very valuable commodity. You know and I mean?
00:55:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:55:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:55:58
Brandon
They said there's no doctors on the island.
00:56:00
Brandon
You know and I mean? So like, i would have been like, yo, I think it's worth the risk. We're sending out hunting parties. We're sending out people like doing their rite of passages and shit like that. Like,
00:56:13
Brandon
Why not send out a party to get the one lone doctor left in your civilization?
00:56:17
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:56:18
Brandon
Or at least go and try to talk to the dude, but...
00:56:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because nobody it seemed like nobody tried to like talk to this guy. I was like, maybe you all think he's crazy because you're leaving him out there by himself and instead of welcoming him into your community.
00:56:30
Brandon
Yeah.
00:56:32
Kevin Dougherty
was like, why is he not in there?
00:56:32
Brandon
Yeah.
00:56:33
Kevin Dougherty
was like, maybe because he thinks he has a job to do out there or something. But was like, did you even go in? You just saw this dude wave to you and you bounced and didn't say nothing to no one about it. Yeah.
00:56:43
Brandon
Yeah, the community had like some weird rules where like anyone that wanted to leave could a leave.
00:56:44
Kevin Dougherty
it
00:56:51
Kevin Dougherty
But nobody would come looking for you. Yeah.
00:56:51
Brandon
But yeah, you were actually forbidden to go look for those people.
00:56:57
Brandon
So I guess it was like a thing where like, if you left, and you didn't come back, and someone else wanted to go look for you, they were like forbidden to do that.
00:57:09
Brandon
Now I don't know like if there was like a penalty, because you would assume people would break that rule and say fuck it, I'm going to, I don't know if somebody that did that would be then exiled for the community, they didn't really explain the rules that much.
00:57:23
Brandon
But, you know, I just thought I'd mention that, that the community did, like, set forth that they had some roles. And that was one of the things.
00:57:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, the father does go looking for him.
00:57:33
Brandon
Yeah, at the very at the very end. But you don't really – he just kind of runs.
00:57:35
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:57:39
Brandon
But ah the one thing I would say about Ralph Fiennes that I did think was kind of weird was when the kid finally reaches him. And he deduces that his mother most likely has a very, very advanced form of cancer and doesn't have very long to live.
00:57:58
Brandon
He helps put her out of her misery. But then he boils her skull. Because he's got, like, that's something that I did think was kind of bugged out. He was trying to honor dead.
00:58:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:11
Brandon
And he'd create like this pyramid of skulls. And when his mom dies, he then boils her skull, gives it to the kid and says like, yo, go pick out a place.
00:58:22
Brandon
I would have been like, yo, man I just wanted to bury my mom. Like I didn't want to chop her head off, boil off her flesh and then like put her skull on your skull pyramid.
00:58:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:36
Brandon
That was something where I was just kind of like, what the fuck?
00:58:36
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:58:40
Brandon
It definitely is.
00:58:41
Kevin Dougherty
I understood it because like, he's very much an artist and yet, like you said, he's very much trying to honor the dead. And instead of, you know, making graveyards where he doesn't clearly have enough space for all the bodies just, and you know, burying is a lot harder work.
00:58:58
Brandon
Cremation.
00:59:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. But ah yeah, be burying people is definitely a lot harder work and he wanted to honor the dead. And like, he talks about it in the, in the movie.
00:59:07
Brandon
Yeah, he explains it.
00:59:08
Kevin Dougherty
And so like I get it like get from his perspective.
00:59:09
Brandon
way, but I don't get it.
00:59:10
Kevin Dougherty
I can also see why it would look crazy. But at the same time, and it's also seems very normal to me that like you would want to build a you know i mean it's like building a monument, but it's filled with bunch of people's skulls.
00:59:28
Kevin Dougherty
And it'll definitely keep people away.
00:59:30
Brandon
See, that would have been what I told my kid. I would have said, yo, this wacko doctor, when we saw him, he was building a pyramid of skulls.
00:59:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, that one of them.
00:59:42
Brandon
He went crazy. And, you know, I think he was also killing people. Like, I think he lost his mind. He's a mad scientist.
00:59:53
Brandon
He's just as dangerous as the infected. And, you know, stay the fuck away. And I think if he had told his kid that, he would have been like, oh, shit. All right.
01:00:04
Brandon
But like, yeah, his dad does not like, well, I don't know if his dad knew exactly, but he was just like, yeah, he was just acting calm and cool and waved at us.
01:00:08
Kevin Dougherty
No, yeah. I don't think...
01:00:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:00:12
Brandon
And it's like, what the fuck is this?
01:00:15
Kevin Dougherty
That's what fucking killed me. Also, you gotta be kidding me with that. But I didn't think, mean, besides the whole like yeah um monument building in the temple, I mean, just listening to Ray Fiennes and the way he acted otherwise, he didn't seem like he was crazy.
01:00:31
Kevin Dougherty
like he Like, he had his shit completely together.
01:00:32
Brandon
No, not at all. Yeah.
01:00:35
Kevin Dougherty
know what I mean?
01:00:35
Brandon
In fact, he seemed like actually really sane for somebody who had been in isolation that long.
01:00:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:00:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:00:42
Brandon
ah You know, you see him and he's covered in iodine, which is like an orange substance. And he said like something about how the infection doesn't like iodine. I guess like he was, it was like a sunscreen, you know, that he was like wearing. And i don't know exactly what he meant by that. I don't know if like he...
01:01:02
Brandon
for whatever, maybe it was like a repellent where people would like come at him and he noticed that the infected would like back off of them. He didn't go into too much detail.
01:01:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I'm assuming we'll get into it in the next movie, which is called The Bone Temple.
01:01:11
Brandon
He just, yeah.
01:01:14
Kevin Dougherty
So that's...
01:01:15
Brandon
Okay. So it's confirmed that there is going to be another film.
01:01:19
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, they filmed these back-to-back. So, yeah.
01:01:21
Brandon
Oh, I did not realize that. I guess you, I think you had told me that and I forgot about it. Okay. So that's an, and when is that coming out?
01:01:29
Kevin Dougherty
In January.
01:01:30
Brandon
Oh, wow. So we're, and and that's going to be 28 years later, or I guess 29 years later, and it's just called the Garden Temple?
01:01:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:01:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. No, it'll be called 28 years later, The Bone Temple.
01:01:43
Brandon
Oh, okay. That's shit. I don't, I feel like I didn't know that.
01:01:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:01:47
Brandon
But at any rate, um aside from that, was there any other, like, ah really, like, worthy mentions in this?
01:01:48
Kevin Dougherty
ah ah
01:01:57
Brandon
I'm trying, because the story was pretty simple.
01:01:58
Kevin Dougherty
The End? Yeah, I would say the end is very fucking noteworthy because like up until that point, i was like, all right, like the kid, you know, ah drops the baby off back and he goes back into England on ah on a journey and he runs into these like.
01:02:19
Brandon
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
01:02:21
Kevin Dougherty
Which you find out are the people from like the very intro of the movie like these kids hiding, watching like the Teletubbies on TV. And they, ah ah you know, they get attacked and he's the only one that like runs out. And the whole time the movie plays, you think it's the father by but played by ah Aaron Taylor Johnson, which i didn't even recognize through like most of the movie.
01:02:43
Brandon
explain the scene, though. and being His father is like a priest, like a religious zealot, right?
01:02:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, he like had run over to him.
01:02:48
Brandon
And kid goes and says, Dad, and he thinks it's like the rapture, of the days, and the kid hides, like under the church.
01:02:54
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:02:56
Brandon
He's the only survivor. Yeah, and you're right. You think that it's the kid from the beginning. You think that that is the same boy, right?
01:03:06
Kevin Dougherty
Yes. youth think like While you're watching the movie, you're like, oh, the whole time.
01:03:09
Brandon
Yeah, I thought that too. Yeah, I thought that too.
01:03:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. And you were just waiting for them to show that chain. And I was like, oh, I guess maybe he just didn't have it him. And the whole time you're like, it's that. But then at the very end, the kid like runs into these like group of... ah
01:03:25
Brandon
Guys in tracksuits?
01:03:25
Kevin Dougherty
guys in jumpsuits that all look like ah the...
01:03:28
Brandon
Yeah. They look really clean, too.
01:03:29
Kevin Dougherty
No,
01:03:31
Brandon
Like, they all look, like, freshly showered, and they had, like, new-looking, like, ah what would, I guess, were they tracksuits or, like, exercise outfits or something like that?
01:03:41
Kevin Dougherty
they were track shoots, and they were like, you know, inspired by the Teletubbies.
01:03:42
Brandon
Yeah. yeah
01:03:45
Kevin Dougherty
It's like kind of, they're all...
01:03:46
Brandon
Oh, it was a homage to the Teletubbies?
01:03:50
Kevin Dougherty
Well, yeah, because that's what they were watching in the thing, but it's also like from an infamous British TV presenter, Jimmy Saville. That's what they're all dressed as. They all look like that guy.
01:04:05
Kevin Dougherty
And the specific color of the tracksuits were inspired by the ah Teletubbies, which was awesome.
01:04:10
Brandon
Oh, I didn't know that.
01:04:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. So they're all dressed like like the ah guy, the British guy, and then which you know they wouldn't have known anything that happened you know between that.
01:04:23
Kevin Dougherty
you know Because I don't think that guy ended up being a very good person. I don't know.
01:04:28
Brandon
we don't We don't really know.
01:04:28
Kevin Dougherty
know
01:04:30
Brandon
i mean we yeah I mean, who knows?
01:04:31
Kevin Dougherty
No, I mean the real guy that they are based in their look on is what I'm saying.
01:04:31
Brandon
what
01:04:34
Brandon
oh Oh, okay.
01:04:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:04:36
Brandon
Yeah, I yeah i got you.
01:04:37
Kevin Dougherty
So yeah, that's all that's all that's why they're all wearing that is because they the one kid, and he's like the leader of this group, he was the kid watching the television.
01:04:44
Brandon
Yeah,
01:04:45
Kevin Dougherty
He's the chain. And then they all start doing like kung fu and shit to the fucking zombies. And i was like, what the fuck is going on? Like it felt like a completely different movie.
01:04:52
Brandon
yeah.
01:04:54
Kevin Dougherty
Like it turned into a comedy at the end.
01:04:54
Brandon
Did they have golf clubs? Yeah, did they have golf clubs?
01:04:58
Kevin Dougherty
Dude, they, I don't.
01:04:59
Brandon
or work but do I think they were polo sticks. like the paul Because they all seem to have polo sticks, right?
01:05:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
01:05:06
Brandon
They all had like a similar weapon. Yeah, they turned it into like It was like some weird spoof at the end. Like, it was almost like an Easter egg.
01:05:13
Kevin Dougherty
yeah i didn't know what the fuck was going on yeah and if it was that if that was like a post-credits scene then like maybe if it's just like you know kind of like a goof where hey we're fucking around or like if that was a completely different movie because like it should have just ended with the kid walking back into the main island with a voiceover and then credits and then you said then you're already set up for the next movie because you have
01:05:20
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
01:05:36
Kevin Dougherty
Ray finds in the Bone Temple, because that's what it was called. So we already know we're going back there. Instead, they've set it up by like being real goofy, think, because none of the movies have been goofy. They've all been serious. And suddenly these kids are doing like flips and backflips and doing real ridiculous zombie kills that you would see in in movies.
01:05:56
Brandon
Well, maybe the goofiness, look, who going to say what would happen?
01:05:59
Kevin Dougherty
Apparently it'll be explained in the next movie, but...
01:06:01
Brandon
Yeah, it might be completely explained. And also we should, put I mean – Being American, like I had no idea about like this character that you're talking about or anything, so maybe this would be like more symbolic to British audiences or something like that that are aware of this, so maybe it's just something I don't know.
01:06:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:06:21
Brandon
But yeah, I think you could say objectively that it was pretty goofy at the time.
01:06:27
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:06:28
Brandon
I'm not exactly sure why they were going, but for me, I didn't mind it so much. I thought it was kind of funny, and after all the dark shit that we saw in this film, like it kind of like gave me a little chuckle at the end. and like kind of you know Because the whole thing in this situation is, for this to go on, people need to have some hope.
01:06:51
Brandon
And when I saw that these guys had evolved in, you know, their own way in this, you know, wasteland where they had to defend themselves and they were all in these real clean, like that was the thing.
01:06:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:07:07
Brandon
Like, know, they were all in these like looked like newly washed track suits. They all looked like they were very well nourished.
01:07:18
Brandon
You know what I mean? These weren't guys because, you know, they were able, they were doing, yeah, but it was very bizarre.
01:07:19
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:07:23
Brandon
They were doing like flips and stuff like that in the air, you know and I mean? Back flips and shit. Like they were just going nuts. So I'm not really sure what the director's intention was in that, but I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt now that I know that there's a new movie coming out Maybe they're going to explain this. Maybe those guys were totally insane. Maybe in the next film, it shows that right before they met the kid, they all dropped acid or something like that.
01:07:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:07:53
Brandon
I don't know.
01:07:53
Kevin Dougherty
The kid dropped ass and he's just like, he's, they're not actually doing any of that. And he's just seeing this like clownish character doing these things to kill them.
01:08:02
Brandon
It's possible.
01:08:04
Kevin Dougherty
Maybe like, I don't know. They're going to have to do something. Cause that really took me out of the movie and made me not really like this movie as much. I mean, I was like, whenever I try to tell people, I'm like,
01:08:12
Brandon
It was only very short though.
01:08:13
Kevin Dougherty
I was like, I don't hate the movie. It's just two big parts I didn't like. And one of them was the ending, which kind of sucked when, like, you have, like, this good movie.
01:08:20
Brandon
Yeah.
01:08:23
Kevin Dougherty
And then of sudden, you're, like, at the very end, you're like, wait, what the fuck? Like, that doesn't make any sense. It's, like, it's a completely different tone. You know what I mean? Like, to the whole movie, so...
01:08:31
Brandon
Yeah. Well, like I said, you know, we got to give it the benefit of the doubt. I mean, you know, you don't know. And you're right. You know, it could be something like in the next film, maybe the boy meets Jimmy and like he starts talking to him and he like wakes up and the kid's are like, yo, what were you guys doing with that Kung Fu shit and the track suits and the bolo clubs doing backflips and these weird moves to kill them? Like all these like weird elaborate things.
01:09:00
Brandon
And Jimmy's just like, yo, kid, like you were tripping, man. None of that shit happened. Like, I don't we even own a tracksuit.
01:09:05
Kevin Dougherty
but
01:09:07
Brandon
Like, I have the necklace. But like, I think that like you maybe are losing your shit. Like, you know what mean? For all we know, I don't know. But yeah, it was like a very, very quirky ending. And I'm not sure what the purpose was there.
01:09:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's like, I hope that like they go back and their whole you know base is kind of set up.
Ninja Turtles and Genre Evolution
01:09:32
Kevin Dougherty
Like... um ah the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, like the the Foot Clans, like it's like a skate park and people are like doing ninja training and shit.
01:09:41
Kevin Dougherty
And like but Sam Rockwell's like giving kids like cigarettes and shit. Yeah.
01:09:47
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, i don't know. Or maybe, I mean, who knows? Maybe the next film could be like a comedy, like a comedy horror or something like that, where it turns into like a nudist colony of the dead type thing.
01:10:01
Brandon
You know, who knows what direction they're
01:10:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
Impact of 28 Days Later on Zombie Genre
01:10:04
Brandon
going to take this.
01:10:04
Brandon
But the only issue with this is that I wanted to say in closing is that I felt that the 28 whatever films whatever Days, weeks, years um story was something I always really liked in the zombie genre because they went to really good lengths, especially in the original movie, to explain.
01:10:30
Brandon
how this all started, you know, I mean, like, we're in things like The Walking Dead, things are just so ridiculous and so unbelievable, they tried to show, like, how this could actually plausibly happen, and, you know, obviously a really fantastical sense, but, like, I remember seeing 28 Days and thinking, like, wow, that was a total evolution, know,
01:10:55
Brandon
of a zombie, you know, of the zombie genre for me. And I thought it was awesome. I remembered saying, like, I think that's probably one of the best zombie movies ever made. And I kind of felt bad about even calling it a zombie movie. Although the trailers, I remember around the time, I think one said like an evolution in zombie horror or something like that. Because I think they had those at the video store when the film came out or something like that, and it was in trailers and stuff like that.
01:11:27
Brandon
But it was something i really, really enjoyed. And yet to see that at the end go totally off the rails, I was kind of like, huh. So, yeah, i'm not I'm not sure where they're going to go. But, hey, it's all a story now about evolution and creation.
01:11:47
Brandon
You know, um I'm going to go into the future with an open mind.
01:11:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I'm definitely ah there with you. And so the other point I used to argue that 28 years later wasn't a zombie movie. And then I've completely turned around and now I completely argue that it is a zombie movie in the traditional like voodoo zombie sense where are you don't have your any but control over what you're doing, really, and your brain dead.
01:12:13
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. that That's the way to put
01:12:15
Kevin Dougherty
You're pretty much brain dead. Yeah. You just have one singular focus and that's to infect somebody else.
01:12:17
Brandon
Yeah.
01:12:22
Kevin Dougherty
it's It's a zombie.
01:12:22
Brandon
yeah
01:12:23
Kevin Dougherty
It might have been a a virus zombie, but where it's not you're not actually the undead and they you don't actually have to bite somebody to turn them.
01:12:27
Brandon
Yeah.
01:12:33
Kevin Dougherty
So yes, like you said, it it was ah it was an evolution of a zombie.
01:12:34
Brandon
yeah
01:12:37
Brandon
Yeah, because you think of zombies as the walking dead, like you die and then come back a zombie, you know what I mean?
01:12:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:12:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:12:44
Brandon
But that doesn't, you know, and if you look up zombie in the dictionary, you know, it's basically, you know, anyone that like has like no...
01:12:44
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:12:53
Brandon
motor skills, like total, like, loss of, like, all awareness, and, you know, you're just, like, a walking, well, I guess was gonna say walking dead.
01:13:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:13:02
Brandon
You know what I mean? Like, zombie, like, is just, like, a mindless creature that walks around the walking dead, like, you know, they have them as biters and shit like that.
01:13:04
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:13:12
Brandon
But, yeah, I mean, these people are, you know, kind of, well, they're, I guess, like I said, it's gonna keep evolving, and i don't want to keep saying that word, but that seems to be the overlying theme like it seems like they're now maybe going to get to a point where they aren't zombies anymore because if you start to develop modes of communication if you know you're reproducing if you're surviving and you're building a society then they're not going to be zombies anymore
01:13:45
Brandon
They're going to be something else. So, yeah, I could see, like you said, you at first didn't think it was a zombie movie, and now you've come around to it. I mean, I could see the argument going either way, you know, are but.
01:13:58
Kevin Dougherty
yeah i mean that definitely reminds me of like uh i am legend uh where it's like the lone human survivor battling against yeah i believe it's will smith but i mean it's based on a book you know i mean uh but uh i mean they did last man on earth um with oh god who is in that movie oh uh vincent price
01:14:08
Brandon
look The Will Smith one or the Denzel Washington one. Will Smith. Okay. Yeah.
01:14:24
Kevin Dougherty
ever seen that one?
01:14:25
Brandon
No shit.
01:14:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. ah yeah Where he's like, basically, like it's almost like a vampire movie, but then in the end, aye he realizes that he is the but legend, that these creatures are now the dominant species on Earth, so he would be their vampire, you know what i mean?
01:14:46
Brandon
yeah
01:14:46
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. So he's their he he's their mythological creature. the
01:14:51
Brandon
yeah
01:14:51
Kevin Dougherty
so that's what he realizes at the end of that and that's kind of what what I could see 28 years later going into it's where the zombies are the dominant species on the planet and then there's like just a few other people kind so it kind of flips the script in that way they'd have to get out yeah
01:15:02
Brandon
yeah
01:15:09
Brandon
and But for that to happen, there would have to be some kind of cataclysmic event because right now they havet yeah they they'd have to get out in a big way. It would have to be
Film Production Insights and Budget Skepticism
01:15:21
Brandon
a rapid spread. but you know and i the other I guess the other thing I would point out real quick is it seemed that this film ah didn't have the production value of the previous two.
01:15:36
Kevin Dougherty
I believe it was all shot on like an iPhone, too, but like you know with mad attachments to it.
01:15:36
Brandon
I felt that this would... Yeah, I
01:15:41
Kevin Dougherty
like When you actually see the rig, it's ridiculous.
01:15:42
Brandon
All
01:15:45
Kevin Dougherty
It's like not just...
01:15:45
Brandon
right, yeah, that's something I meant to point out in the very beginning. But yeah, this seemed like compared to the other two, this seemed to be a like a much more like low budget project.
01:15:57
Brandon
But I still think they pulled it off. um But I think if you were to try to do it where they got out and spread to the rest of the world, that's a big budget type film.
01:16:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:16:10
Brandon
I don't think that you could do that on, i don't know what their budget was. We usually give that.
01:16:15
Kevin Dougherty
It was a $60 million budget. And it grossed over $150 million.
01:16:18
Brandon
No shit.
01:16:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
01:16:19
Brandon
It was a 60 million budget filmed on an iPhone.
01:16:23
Kevin Dougherty
yeah and it it grossed over a hundred and fifty million
01:16:27
Brandon
It makes money.
01:16:28
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:16:29
Brandon
Shit. I wonder maybe like, I don't know. I'm wondering if like 30 million of that went on Ray Fiennes alone.
01:16:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, maybe.
01:16:39
Brandon
That did not seem like a $60 million dollars budget to me.
01:16:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, using specialized, it says some parts or of the film were shot on an iPhone 15s using specialized rigs, including one with 20 phones, to create unique visual effects and maintain a light footprint for filming in certain certain locations.
01:17:00
Kevin Dougherty
ah So I guess some of the so areas that they were, you know, shooting out, you know, in the woods or something, they didn't want to like all to carry all these cameras ah and, you know, trample over all nature and stuff like that.
01:17:13
Kevin Dougherty
So they brought a bunch of iPhones, which are a lot lighter to carry.
01:17:18
Brandon
Yeah.
01:17:18
Kevin Dougherty
You're not dragging out a bunch of shit to do it. that So that seems ah all right. i don't know what the rest of it was shot on.
01:17:22
Brandon
I could see if you were filming it in the jungle, if you were like in the Amazon or something like that, it didn't seem like they were that deep in the woods or anything.
01:17:24
Kevin Dougherty
That's interesting.
01:17:31
Kevin Dougherty
No, but if it's like an like if it's you know just being on government you know public land, or you know a national park or something like that, you don't want to like you know mess up nature habitats and stuff like that.
01:17:39
Brandon
Yeah.
01:17:43
Kevin Dougherty
you
01:17:43
Brandon
but that Yeah, that's a good point.
01:17:44
Kevin Dougherty
like They always say leave no trace when you go. you you know You don't want to go in there and mess up, move move things or whatever, because that's nature.
01:17:48
Brandon
Yeah.
01:17:52
Kevin Dougherty
It's their fucking thing there, so...
01:17:53
Brandon
Well, so be it. To me, that just didn't seem like a, it did not seem like a $60 million dollars budget movie.
01:18:00
Kevin Dougherty
No, but yeah it was probably spent on Arrow.
01:18:00
Brandon
Because other than Ray Fiennes, did you know any of the other actors?
01:18:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, the father, Aaron Taylor Johnson, he's in a ah bunch of stuff.
01:18:11
Brandon
I, all right. I did see, I think he was in Hell on Wheels, actually. I think I did see him in a few other things.
01:18:16
Kevin Dougherty
What is he? No, i don't think he was in...
01:18:18
Brandon
I, No, I did recognize – maybe he wasn't, but whatever.
01:18:19
Kevin Dougherty
I know.
01:18:22
Brandon
I did – actually, now you mentioned
01:18:23
Kevin Dougherty
he was on Bullet Train.
Favorite Scenes and Closing Thoughts
01:18:25
Kevin Dougherty
He was...
01:18:25
Brandon
it.
01:18:25
Brandon
I did remember seeing him in something.
01:18:25
Kevin Dougherty
Well, he was...
01:18:28
Brandon
But other than that, I didn't recognize any of the other actors.
01:18:28
Kevin Dougherty
He was Craven the Hunter... Oh, he was in Nosferatu. He was ah um Nicholas Holt's friend who was like watching over his wife.
01:18:42
Brandon
ah Well, I didn't, you know, with the beard, I didn't notice him.
01:18:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
01:18:46
Brandon
um Anyway, I wouldn't know him if I saw him in something else. i' Other than Ralph Fiennes, I didn't really recognize any of the other actors.
01:18:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, neither did I.
01:18:55
Brandon
So to me, it just didn't feel like a $60 million dollars budget movie, especially if they were.
01:18:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I thought they were great. Yeah.
01:19:01
Brandon
But who knows? Maybe these cameras like were very specialized. And with the nanotechnology, like maybe that added to the cost more than the other cameras. But yeah to me, it just didn't seem like there was that much special effect.
01:19:17
Brandon
um The only other final thing I wanted to mention, my favorite scene in the entire film, was in the beginning when they're returning to the island after, you know, he's congratulating him about, you know, basically just surviving his pilgrimage or whatever.
01:19:36
Brandon
ah And you see the one alpha and he's like on top of like, a mountain or a large hill, and you see the birds flying by, and he he scopes them out, and he just starts sprinting after him, I thought that was a really great scene, that when and the tide's starting to come, or the tide's starting to go out, actually, because they're worried, um,
01:20:03
Brandon
that ah they're not going to make it back to the island with the water level being as it was, but it was just low enough so they were able to run through it.
01:20:14
Brandon
And you had this, like, gigantic fucking dude, like, chasing after him, and the way it was shot, the suspense, I just thought was really well done. That was my favorite scene in the entire film.
01:20:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:20:26
Kevin Dougherty
I agree. That was my favorite scene as well because you really yeah got really close to them getting got.
01:20:27
Brandon
Really?
01:20:29
Brandon
Really? He got real, I mean, he got he got arrow close to them because didn't they drop down in the way they kill the alpha?
01:20:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
01:20:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:20:39
Brandon
They take him out with arrows?
01:20:40
Kevin Dougherty
yeah and
01:20:41
Brandon
Yeah, so, I mean, he got really close. There was, like, that sense of, like, pending doom, terror. I wasn't sure if they were, I figured the kid would survive, but I thought the father might get ripped.
01:20:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:20:54
Brandon
and then the story would just be about the kids. So, yeah, I thought that was ah that was a really, really good scene.
01:21:01
Kevin Dougherty
yeah ah But yeah, that's all I really have for that movie.
01:21:06
Brandon
yeah Yeah, there's not... I mean, we went on about it a lot. I mean, i guess the only other thing would be...
01:21:11
Kevin Dougherty
I would still recommend watching it if you liked the other ones. I would still...
01:21:15
Brandon
Yeah, no definitely this is definitely worth a watch, especially because there's another one coming out in a few months. So, you know... I would definitely watch this before watching that.
01:21:27
Brandon
ah My whole thing is just I don't understand why they didn't just bomb the entire land. Like, why not eradicate rather than contain the most dangerous infection known to man?
01:21:41
Brandon
That's going to obviously be something that's on everybody's mind, but we already answered that. You wouldn't have any more So, no, that's kind of why. so
01:21:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
01:21:51
Brandon
now that's
01:21:51
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I gave them two free ideas during this cast that they can...
01:21:52
Brandon
and the wall
01:21:55
Brandon
You did. And they're both very good ideas, dude.
01:21:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Peace. yeah
01:21:58
Brandon
I think that would have been an awesome movie. But anyway, thank you for joining us, and we will see you next time. Good night and good luck.
01:22:07
Kevin Dougherty
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