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Dexter's origin
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We talk about Dexter: Original sin and casting news for Resurrection and Crystal Lake
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Transcript
Introduction and Personal Updates
00:00:19
Kevin Dougherty
I got that in there this time, not you. Welcome to Freight Central, I'm Doc back here again with Keck, and ah tonight we're gonna be talking about Dexter Original Sin.
00:00:30
Kevin Dougherty
ah But first up, ah I do have some news, but ah how have you been since the ah last cast of Nosferatu?
00:00:40
Keck
Man, dude.
00:00:43
Keck
My wife has been very challenging since that cast.
00:00:47
Kevin Dougherty
So should we just move on then? All right.
00:00:49
Keck
Yeah.
TV Series Adaptation Discussions
00:00:53
Kevin Dougherty
So I guess the news I got is Derry Argento's Phenomena. don't know if you remember that movie with ah Jennifer Connelly and Donald Pleasance.
00:01:05
Keck
I remember every movie with Jennifer Connelly, yeah.
00:01:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:01:10
Kevin Dougherty
Well, ah it's getting a TV series adaptation from ah Italy's Titanus production. And apparently, they're at they I don't know if it's already done or what, because the way the um this report reads is that it's heading to France's series Mania Festival in March.
00:01:30
Kevin Dougherty
ah So, yeah, I don't know if it's already finished or not. But, um and I mean, there's no other...
00:01:36
Keck
And wait, what what is this for?
00:01:36
Kevin Dougherty
Phenomena? Phenomena?
00:01:40
Keck
Yeah.
00:01:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, Argento's 85 movie? Yeah, they're making series adaptation.
00:01:43
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:01:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. or it's our Or it's already done. i don't know.
00:01:52
Keck
And there's just no information, like it's that it's on like a teaser, it's on a cliffhanger or what?
00:01:59
Kevin Dougherty
No, as far as I know, this is just like an announcement for it, that Italian production...
00:02:04
Keck
that it's already but it's already been completed?
00:02:08
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know. I'm just saying like that's how I read that as it sounded like it was already completed because they're taking it to some festival.
00:02:12
Keck
It was post-production.
00:02:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because they're taking it to some festival. so that sounds makes it sounds like it's already done.
00:02:19
Keck
Oh, well, yeah, that would that would sound, yeah,
Jennifer Connelly and Foreign Shows
00:02:22
Keck
that would sound...
00:02:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. but probably ah There's no trailer or cast news or anything. I mean, it just has the series writers.
00:02:30
Keck
Is that totally uncommon for certain festivals where they, like, kind of want to go in total freshie, especially if, like, they have, like, something that they think is going to be a big hit with, like, ah something that they've been able to attract good talent, like Jennifer Connelly?
00:02:48
Keck
Yeah. Well, Connelly's not in this.
00:02:51
Kevin Dougherty
No, she's not in this, no.
00:02:52
Keck
Yeah.
00:02:52
Kevin Dougherty
She was in the original.
00:02:53
Keck
She's not in... Yeah, sorry.
00:02:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:02:54
Keck
Yeah, I'm thinking. I mean, a man can dream. You know what I mean?
00:02:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:02:59
Keck
i just um I just recently watched a um ah show that I don't know if we've discussed on the cast before, but we probably will at some point, called Dark Matter.
00:03:11
Keck
um And ah I mean, goddamn, Jennifer Connelly, like, she looks...
00:03:12
Kevin Dougherty
I haven't watched that yet.
00:03:19
Keck
The same as she did when we were all growing up. um She, ah her acting is spot on and she is as beautiful as ever.
00:03:30
Keck
She could play fucking 19 or fucking, don't know, 39.
00:03:37
Kevin Dougherty
Or however old she is.
00:03:37
Keck
I have no, she's, I think she's got, she's probably, i mean, mathematically, she's got to be like at least 50, if not like between 50 and 60.
00:03:39
Kevin Dougherty
49 maybe?
00:03:43
Kevin Dougherty
She's got to be 50.
00:03:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:03:50
Keck
Um, but like, if I could easily see her as like 29, I'm sorry. I go in the whole, you mentioned Jennifer Connelly. It was a bad move.
00:04:01
Keck
Um, But, um, whatchamacall, um, yeah, I mean, ah phenomenal. But, uh, anyway, bring us back to ah Earth.
00:04:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so originally they had announced that they were going to develop in a sequel to it, um but i we don't know if this is it just just reworked as in remake slash sequel, or if they're still working on the sequel, but it said the same production company was doing it.
00:04:30
Keck
It just sounds like there's a lot of what-ifs.
00:04:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, it's also not an American production, and so that could be why we don't have a tv series or casting news or anything like that, because they were they're able to keep like everything you know under wraps a little bit easier, because they don't have fucking...
00:04:33
Keck
Ha, ha, ha.
00:04:36
Keck
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah And they didn't actually, at least to our knowledge, hire any big talent for this.
00:04:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it could be all and unknown, and it could be all in Italian for all we know as well.
00:04:55
Keck
Yeah.
00:04:58
Kevin Dougherty
so
00:04:59
Keck
Yeah.
00:04:59
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, i'm still I would still check it out. I mean...
00:05:02
Keck
Yeah.
00:05:02
Kevin Dougherty
There's been ah some good shows coming from ah overseas recently. so ah
00:05:07
Keck
Oh, God. ah Yeah, I mean, i was actually um going to suggest, I'll just mention it since it's on my mind, but ah in the future, um I was going to suggest that um we share our knowledge of... um good foreign, uh, horror sci-fi shows that really never got picked up by, um, like, uh, you know, U.S.
00:05:35
Keck
audiences. Like, uh, for example, like, um, for me, it would be like, uh, the show The Bridge, which got picked up for U.S. s audience, but they had, um, I think it was like three or four seasons of it, um,
00:05:44
Kevin Dougherty
Thank you.
00:05:49
Keck
In sweden and Sweden and Denmark are the two places where it was supposed to. But that was fucking ah phenomenal.
00:06:00
Keck
And there were a few other ones, and I wanted to do a cast at one point of, like, you know, like, just that, like, foreign horror element that never really made it to Netflix or anything like that. Like, I can't even figure out how to watch some of these shows other than, well, you know, searching.
00:06:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
00:06:21
Keck
But, you know you know, I wanted to, like, actually explore further into that, like, what you're saying.
00:06:27
Keck
There's so much stuff that... ah has gotten letten down by the wayside that we haven't seen because it just, you know, streaming wars,
Horror Movie Announcements
00:06:38
Keck
right?
00:06:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. So and moving on, our the next thing I have is Jason News. ah
00:06:39
Keck
Anyway.
00:06:46
Keck
what
00:06:48
Kevin Dougherty
not No, no, no. Jason News.
00:06:50
Keck
Jason, okay, all right, all right. I'll step off.
00:06:53
Kevin Dougherty
jason goes Jason goes to hell and ah Jason X are going to be getting a 4K Ultra HD release on May 20th from Arrowhead.
00:07:04
Keck
ah No, that is not good for Jason in space. You don't want to see that movie in 4k.
00:07:12
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:07:13
Keck
It will reveal what should not be revealed.
00:07:19
Keck
I'm pretty certain that you were sitting right next to me in theaters. I think AMC, Hamilton, New Jersey, where there was a scene where they were showing the gun that the one kid had.
00:07:29
Kevin Dougherty
ye
00:07:35
Keck
and like oh at the same time, you heard the laughter throughout theater, which With like how badly like, you know, it was just like PVC piping like duct tape.
00:07:48
Kevin Dougherty
yes
00:07:49
Keck
right
00:07:49
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:07:49
Keck
I mean, this was like one of the first times that I had been in like, you know, we talked about House of the Dead. But like this was like one of the first times that I was in like a packed theater full of people on like a Friday night. Like Jason X like bang.
00:08:10
Keck
Opening night and like people started laughing about the production quality. Like, oh, but I've never.
00:08:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but at least with Jason X, it was it's one of those, it's so bad, but it's still so entertaining.
00:08:19
Keck
never. That was a first for me.
00:08:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:08:29
Keck
Yeah. And yeah.
00:08:30
Kevin Dougherty
but Unlike House of the Dead, where it was just bad and not annoying.
00:08:34
Keck
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:08:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:08:36
Keck
Yeah, after that, they talked about it and they said those same people that made ah those laughs that I'm talking about, those people were twice as likely to say that they encouraged someone or brought someone and saw it themselves a second time because of that.
00:08:55
Keck
You know what I mean?
00:08:56
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:08:56
Keck
And I know that ah they said after that, they said, I remember hearing a radio ad in there like, and Jason Voorhees still packs him into the box office as they've more than doubled the um you know ah the amount of money.
00:09:13
Keck
Because they did actually spend a decent amount on CGI in that movie. Like, they did do, like, I mean, there were some pretty cool graphics in that movie.
00:09:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:09:24
Keck
So, I mean, I'll give it that.
00:09:25
Kevin Dougherty
There's also a lot of terrible graphics.
00:09:27
Keck
A lot of terrible graphics.
00:09:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:29
Keck
There was a lot of terrible writing, but there was also a lot of great writing in that movie, man.
00:09:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. yeah
00:09:35
Keck
He just wants his machete back.
00:09:37
Kevin Dougherty
here
00:09:37
Keck
I mean, you know, they go, I could, oh man, I could just do a cast on that movie.
00:09:41
Kevin Dougherty
he's Coming this way.
00:09:45
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:09:49
Keck
Doc, please, I'm so distracted. Keep moving us in the positive direction.
00:09:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Well, keeping on the Jason news, i actually have Crystal Lake news.
00:10:00
Keck
Yeah, you fuck.
00:10:02
Kevin Dougherty
The... ah There's a casting reports that they have found their Mrs. Voorhees for the prequel series. No,
00:10:14
Keck
Beverly D'Angelo. Beverly D'Angelo.
00:10:17
Kevin Dougherty
it's ah Linda Cardellini. You might know her. like i know some people will know her from... ah She was Hawkeye's wife in the Avengers movies.
00:10:30
Kevin Dougherty
ah She was Velma in Scooby-Doo, but you would know her from Mad Men Season 6 as Sylvia Rosen. Because I know you know that show.
00:10:41
Keck
Mad Men season six, Sylvia.
00:10:41
Kevin Dougherty
i
00:10:44
Keck
i just don't, I can't think of the character.
00:10:47
Kevin Dougherty
She's in first eight episodes, then the episode 11, then she was in Season 7 and Episode 9.
00:10:58
Keck
yeah I was actually just watching some mad men on some ah bullshit fucking network that I i had initially thought like, oh, yeah, I was like, oh, yeah, the commercials aren't even bad here.
00:10:59
Kevin Dougherty
want my tubies. I'll
00:11:05
Kevin Dougherty
do it up. with
00:11:11
Keck
Sounded like a real fucking dumbass only realize, see, I don't watch these streaming free shows. So like, I just assume that like, oh, wow, you know, it's not bad. It's only like a fucking two 30 second slots per episode.
00:11:27
Keck
And then, of course, they crank it up to the point where it's unbearable. And it's just constant advertising.
00:11:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:11:33
Keck
Yeah, I'm a total dumbass. But I cannot think of who that character is. And I know the series really well. But I can't. I probably haven't seen it in maybe, i'll know, that season.
00:11:50
Keck
yeah probably it's been like 10 years. So yeah, I can't remember a character in one season that I saw 10 years ago, but that's cool.
00:12:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, she is only, I think she's turning 50 this year. i mean, she doesn't look like it. I would have thought she was like 40.
00:12:12
Keck
who worried Who is that?
00:12:14
Kevin Dougherty
the The actress, put that's that they're Linda Cardellini, who's being picked to play Mrs.
00:12:17
Keck
Oh, okay.
00:12:19
Kevin Dougherty
Voorhees, and like I saw her picture, I was like, man, she's way too attractive to play Mrs. Voorhees. Like, I ain't running from her.
00:12:26
Keck
Well, yeah, but with it what if it's good where it's like ah ah Jason's like younger, hotter mom?
00:12:26
Kevin Dougherty
She's going have to kill me.
00:12:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's like it's like fucking what they did with ah Aunt May in the recent Spider-Man series.
00:12:34
Keck
Like,
00:12:40
Keck
Well, I mean, i can't remember, um the who who's the actress that played um Jason's mother originally in 1980?
00:12:51
Kevin Dougherty
That's Betsy Palmer.
00:12:52
Keck
Yeah, i'm a well, I mean, God, at well when she was a girl, she was gorgeous as well. All hell. Yeah.
00:13:00
Kevin Dougherty
but not i mean, she was a little bit older in... by the time she played Mrs. Voorhees.
00:13:05
Keck
Yeah, I'm saying when she was when she was a girl, I'm saying.
00:13:05
Kevin Dougherty
looking at
00:13:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:13:09
Keck
But yeah, ah no, she went when she played Mrs. – well, she was still a good-looking woman. But I mean, I'm just saying, yeah, I know what you mean.
00:13:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. She definitely had that mom haircut, so you got to give her the mom haircut.
00:13:19
Keck
I know – yeah, well, and I know what you mean, yeah. Exactly. She's been in – I mean, because of the selection of things that she's been in –
00:13:32
Keck
Nowadays, yeah.
00:13:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:13:34
Keck
I mean, she does seem a bit young to be playing Jason's mom and little, yeah.
00:13:34
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:13:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. it's like it's like It's like Marissa Tomei playing Aunt May. and the and the and the more but like She was way too hot to be playing fucking Peter's Aunt.
00:13:49
Keck
Yeah.
00:13:52
Keck
Yeah. I'm just saying Jason's mom can be hot. That's fine. But like, she also needs to be terrifying and that can happen as well.
00:14:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:14:05
Keck
um You know, so.
00:14:07
Kevin Dougherty
But that's that's the news. So they are casting. So that means... i mean I think the last report I had was that like at least the first season was written, and I think they were working on the other seasons.
00:14:19
Kevin Dougherty
I don't remember how long ago that was, but...
00:14:21
Keck
Yeah.
00:14:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:14:22
Keck
HBO had six seasons of Carnival written, and they only published two.
00:14:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:14:29
Keck
Um, and, uh, I still do not believe that, uh, Crystal Lake is ever going to come out.
00:14:37
Kevin Dougherty
Well, they're casting now, so...
00:14:38
Keck
Uh, yeah That's great.
00:14:39
Kevin Dougherty
Love it out.
00:14:40
Keck
And i mean, I'm sure they need to do all different types of things to appear legally compliant like they did the last time.
00:14:42
Kevin Dougherty
I'm still over here for this. steve
00:14:49
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:14:52
Keck
It was literally like the show was not even being produced. They just had a bunch of functions on the payroll so that they basically looked like legally compliant. Like, Hey, we are filming a show when we're really not doing anything except funneling money.
00:15:15
Keck
it was so fucking I'm just saying like, i don't know how you come back from that. I do not think this shit's ever coming out.
00:15:26
Kevin Dougherty
come out.
00:15:26
Keck
Prove wrong.
00:15:26
Kevin Dougherty
This year! This year!
00:15:28
Keck
Prove me wrong.
00:15:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah!
00:15:29
Keck
No, it ain't coming out this year.
00:15:32
Kevin Dougherty
So
00:15:32
Keck
the fuck of here. You just said they're casting.
00:15:36
Kevin Dougherty
yeah that means they can still shoot.
00:15:39
Keck
We're casting. Yeah. Are we coming out this year? Yeah, I don't think so.
00:15:43
Kevin Dougherty
Listen. Listen.
00:15:45
Keck
Fucking, they're casting. They're casting.
00:15:48
Kevin Dougherty
is
00:15:50
Keck
it
00:15:50
Kevin Dougherty
They can still shoot in March for it to come out by October.
00:15:52
Keck
Oh, God. Dude, don't know, man. Whatever. don't think they should. It's never coming out. Anyway.
00:16:03
Kevin Dougherty
Anyway, moving on. ah
Dexter Series Insights
00:16:05
Keck
a
00:16:05
Kevin Dougherty
Let's talk about Dexter.
00:16:06
Kevin Dougherty
Origins. Specifically, Dexter Origins. um So if you haven't seen Dexter at all, I don't recommend starting with Origins. or ah Sorry, not Origins. It's called Original Sin. Sorry.
00:16:20
Keck
Yeah, I don't recommend that either.
00:16:23
Kevin Dougherty
ah Because there's massive spoilers in this in the first season that yeah that pays off if you are watching Dexter for the first time fresh.
00:16:35
Keck
The only way i would say to do it that way would be is if you plan to stop watching Dexter.
00:16:47
Keck
at the end of season six, I believe there's seven Dexter seasons. I could be wrong. Maybe there's eight, but unless you were planning on just not continuing, like with like the final season of Dexter, or maybe, um, only continuing to a point where like, uh, you were only going to watch like the first half or something like that of the final season.
00:17:17
Keck
That's the only time I would ah say maybe start with origins, but otherwise I suggest you go in the direction in which they were produced.
00:17:28
Keck
Is that your recommendation as well?
00:17:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. I think the only other way, i mean, I would say if you've watched at least the first season, you could go, you can now watch original sin, but I, unless you've seen, i mean, the best way do it would be to watch it all the way through and then go back and watch origins. But ah you could get, ah I think you can get away with watching season one and then watching origins.
00:17:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:17:53
Keck
Yeah.
00:17:55
Kevin Dougherty
i'm a gun I'm sorry, I'm going to keep calling it Origins, but it's not. It's original sin. But there's eight seasons plus New Blood, so there's nine.
00:17:59
Keck
Yeah. there
00:18:04
Keck
so ah So, okay, but the original show, there were seven seasons.
00:18:10
Kevin Dougherty
No, there's eight seasons.
00:18:11
Keck
Oh, there were eight seasons of the original show. Okay, gotcha.
00:18:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:18:15
Keck
So, yeah, I mean, um considering that Dexter has, i mean, and we've said a million times here, because it's true. I mean, Dexter, ah the original show, has the worst ending um in his, at least voted-wise. It has among the worst endings.
00:18:37
Keck
endings in history of a show of any category, any genre. So there are certain people, and I disagree with these people, ah I don't think you need to avoid that final season, because i don't think that final season was that terrible.
00:18:57
Keck
It was just the final episode that was really...
00:19:01
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
00:19:04
Keck
I mean, you could make an argument that maybe the episodes going up to that were getting progressively worse.
00:19:04
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:19:13
Keck
And, I mean, they're just such... ah ah Anyway...
00:19:16
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I think the first season is ah is great, but I think the fourth season is the best.
00:19:17
Keck
ah
00:19:23
Kevin Dougherty
And you, I mean, yeah, you could stop after that because you're not, like, it doesn't capture... it doesn't cat like The rest of the series just isn't as good as the the fourth but fourth season.
00:19:34
Kevin Dougherty
But i mean it's I think it's still all worth watching. like Somebody recently was like, when should I stop watching Dexter? And I was just like, when you've run out of episodes. Yeah,
00:19:41
Keck
Oh, yeah, no, on dude, I was only talking about the final episode season.
00:19:48
Kevin Dougherty
I know. I'm just talking about Dexter in Yeah. like
00:19:52
Keck
Yeah. Well, the other than that, I mean, um the second season is a season that's, for me, I thought was the worst season.
00:19:53
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:20:02
Keck
And on paper, a lot of people think that it's one of the best seasons. but um Or I could be wrong. It's the one with Jimmy Smith on paper.
00:20:13
Kevin Dougherty
Jimmy's- oh yeah, that one. I don't remember if that was the second or third.
00:20:14
Keck
Yeah, on paper, it's either season two or three, but like it almost made me want to like just stop watching the show like right afterwards.
00:20:16
Kevin Dougherty
But he calls the skinner. Yeah.
00:20:25
Keck
like I mean, the i I'm pretty sure it's season three because it's the one with this Skinner. And there's at one point, I remember we were watching it with Miner.
00:20:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:20:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:20:37
Keck
And ah I came over one day and you guys, and I'm like, oh, any other season. You're like, well, we're watching it. north And I told Jamie, I said, you know, Dexter, i was like, you know, in this season, Jimmy Smith's character picks up the phone and calls the Skinner. And Jamie started laughing and said, hasn't called the Skinner. And I'm like, doc, does he? or does And you're like, he does call the Skinner.
00:21:07
Keck
He picks up the phone. He's like, hello, hello Skinner? yeah Like, hey, this is actor Jimmy Smith. Like, I need to get you against Dexter. Like, but blah, blah, blah. Like, it was so fucking awful.
00:21:17
Keck
Like, I cannot believe that that's, like, one of the best rated ones. But at any rate, yeah, I agree.
00:21:23
Kevin Dougherty
Season 3. green Yeah, season 3.
00:21:24
Keck
Yeah. The Skinner. Yeah.
00:21:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:21:27
Keck
Yeah.
00:21:27
Kevin Dougherty
and The fourth season with John Lithgow was just so phenomenal.
00:21:31
Keck
oh Oh, yeah. It it was fantastic.
00:21:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:21:33
Keck
he He starts off by killing the um girl from the – she was like a famous work-at-home pajama girl.
00:21:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:21:46
Keck
like She had been on all those televisions. So they got everybody in that season. Yeah, that was fucking amazing.
00:21:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:21:53
Keck
Yeah, I agree. You go with Dexter until you run out of episodes. It's just the original season. um But this is going to prepare you for it.
00:22:03
Keck
You know what I mean?
00:22:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:22:04
Keck
You're going to know that after you see the horror that everybody has like predicted, you know that you now have two good seasons of material after that.
00:22:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, new New Blood was pretty good, and I think this, I think Original Sin is is even better.
00:22:21
Keck
I thought New Blood was great. Yeah.
00:22:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but yeah.
00:22:23
Keck
i yeah I thought New Blood was great.
00:22:26
Kevin Dougherty
ah I thought it was a good return, especially after the last the last couple seasons, but I think our Original Sin was even better than New Blood. And the thing is, when you're watching...
00:22:35
Keck
Kristen Slater was a little overpowering. Not that he was trying to be. His acting, I thought, was just of a higher caliber than the...
00:22:45
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, yeah, I agree.
00:22:46
Keck
Yeah.
00:22:47
Kevin Dougherty
But first of all, I just wanted to talk about, like, ah just some of the, like, Dorne, when you watch the See It, the original series, they do do, like, some flashbacks to, like, a younger Dexter, and, like, so some of the things in the show, you they do cover again, and they might change something some small things.
00:22:47
Keck
Yeah.
00:22:50
Keck
yeah
00:23:04
Kevin Dougherty
But one of the funniest things that that is always, like, i still a meme to this day is when they show young Dexter and to, like, young up Michael C. Hall they just gave him that terrible wig so I thought the first episode it was funny when they gave him that that same terrible this younger actor ah Patrick Gibson who plays a younger Dexter yeah yeah which he gets his mannerisms down really well and I think he really does a great job of playing a young Dexter Michael C.
00:23:16
Keck
Yeah.
00:23:34
Kevin Dougherty
Hall but like giving him that hair first in that first episode was just fucking hilarious and and a great touch
00:23:40
Keck
roll Well, before you get into the ah actual season, um I guess we should say we talked about this before when we first heard that there was going to be an It's original sin, not origins.
00:23:57
Keck
Okay.
00:23:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:23:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:23:58
Keck
um Original sin.
00:23:59
Keck
um We talked about like the scenarios and i think that both of us held true that the most likely scenario would be that he survived what happened at the end of new blood.
00:24:16
Keck
um
00:24:16
Kevin Dougherty
Well, remember, uh, when I first got that inside scoop that, uh, well, remember I delivered to the showtime and I got the, uh,
00:24:19
Keck
i think we both kind of, yeah.
00:24:26
Kevin Dougherty
And the guy told me that
00:24:27
Keck
Oh, yeah. So you knew that Michael, yeah, but you knew he would be just not to what caliber it was going to be.
00:24:30
Kevin Dougherty
Michael C. Hall was coming back. Yeah.
00:24:35
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, and originally we originally we had speculated it was going to be sequel because they were talking about like...
00:24:41
Keck
He breaks out of the hospital Jason style.
00:24:44
Kevin Dougherty
well We were talking about like, yeah, he be he's like back in his head and everything. And then like, when we found out about this, we were like, oh, so I, and Mike, and then they were like announced that Michael C.
00:24:54
Kevin Dougherty
Hall is returning as, no, yeah, no, they said that he was going to be there in the inner voice of the younger self.
00:24:55
Keck
Could he be a ghost? Yeah.
00:25:00
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:02
Kevin Dougherty
And we were like, okay, like now and this makes sense. And then they announced like right after they announced original sin that they were doing a a sequel as well, Dexter resurrection. So, and we were like, okay, like, and then we were speculating, okay, how is he
Casting Choices and Characters
00:25:15
Kevin Dougherty
surviving?
00:25:16
Kevin Dougherty
They open up the series with him being driven to the hospital.
00:25:19
Keck
let's just say How can we make money?
00:25:19
Kevin Dougherty
and
00:25:22
Keck
Like, we fucked this up.
00:25:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:25:25
Keck
Like, there's a mad desire for Dexter. We don't care. Like, we just want to make money.
00:25:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, Michael C.
00:25:31
Keck
And we're going to start milking shit.
00:25:34
Kevin Dougherty
Hall seems to not be as big in anything else, so let's let's fucking use him, right?
00:25:37
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:25:40
Keck
Yep.
00:25:40
Kevin Dougherty
how How can we keep doing it? Because everybody loves Dexter. um Yeah, so like I thought the cast, everybody that plays like a younger version of themselves, I thought was really done.
00:25:44
Keck
Yeah.
00:25:52
Kevin Dougherty
but Baptista and and all those guys. and Yeah, but then you go you throw in Christian Slater young Harry Morgan. And then I think the other off-putting one was Sarah Michelle Gellar as like the lead CSI person or whatever, crime scene.
00:26:09
Keck
I hadn't seen her in years. I mean, I don't know.
00:26:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so yeah, that's what
00:26:13
Keck
I don't, she, I know, i don't know if she's been working all this time. And, um but if she has been, it's nothing that I've been privy to.
00:26:19
Kevin Dougherty
sure she has, but nothing Yeah Yeah, exactly
00:26:24
Keck
You know what I mean? Like, but, and, and, and there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, ah there's a lot of people I'm like, Oh my God, that person's still in showbiz. And like, you know, somebody will tell me like, Oh yeah, they've been blah, blah, blah. Like look at their credits. And I'm like,
00:26:39
Keck
Oh, all right, all right, oh, all right. Well, yeah, that's all stuff that, like, I don't pay attention to.
00:26:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, exactly.
00:26:45
Keck
So, like, you know, that...
00:26:45
Kevin Dougherty
They were supposed to do a ah Buffy ah reboot TV series. And supposedly Sarah Michelle Gellar is coming back.
00:26:50
Keck
Yeah.
00:26:53
Keck
I never saw a single episode of her as Buffy, so I don't know.
00:26:53
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:26:57
Kevin Dougherty
I saw the original movie and then watched some episodes with her and I'm like, man, this ain't the original movie.
00:27:02
Keck
Oh, she wasn't in the original movie.
00:27:04
Kevin Dougherty
No.
00:27:04
Keck
That was Christy Swanson, right?
00:27:05
Kevin Dougherty
no Yeah.
00:27:07
Keck
yeah.
00:27:07
Kevin Dougherty
yeah and and And Paul Rubens with the greatest death scene ever.
00:27:13
Keck
and Well, Donald Sutherland was with Rucker Power.
00:27:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:19
Keck
Yeah.
00:27:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. I was just talking about Paul Vergram's death scene where he's like, oh, ah, o
00:27:21
Keck
yeah
00:27:24
Keck
Oh, yeah. Yeah. i
00:27:27
Kevin Dougherty
Then he gets back up and then he keeps going. He extends that death scene.
00:27:32
Keck
Film actually had its moments for, know, that time.
00:27:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:36
Keck
um But at any rate.
00:27:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:39
Keck
um ah So, yeah, yeah, that was off-putting for me, too, because I just hadn't seen her in so long. I didn't even, you know, but, like, soon as I saw her, I was like, wow, that is Sarah Michelle Gellar.
00:27:52
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:27:52
Keck
So, you know, that... um
00:27:55
Kevin Dougherty
And then...
00:27:55
Keck
I like the the guy that they got to play. the um I mean, it's crazy. I don't know if you um write a Vincent Matsuka character today um with ah the way our social norms are.
00:28:10
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, yeah. with Where he's just sexually harassing his coworkers all the time, pretty much.
00:28:20
Keck
He's genuinely, ah i mean, in any workplace, he would be immediately terminated by the company to avoid a large civil lawsuit.
00:28:25
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:28:30
Kevin Dougherty
he he would definitely no He would have immediately been sent to HR for a talk.
00:28:37
Keck
Yeah, well, I mean, i I don't know what he would have been.
00:28:37
Kevin Dougherty
other
00:28:41
Keck
I mean, because he's so fucked up.
00:28:42
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:28:42
Keck
But, like, the thing is, is, like, they can definitely retroactively create him, or he could be even, like, more ridiculous if they wanted to.
00:28:53
Keck
Yeah.
00:28:53
Kevin Dougherty
We also have to remember this is the fucking police. Like, they're they're not exactly a business.
00:28:57
Keck
Yeah.
00:28:58
Kevin Dougherty
So I'm sure, like, you know, police cops and shit like that, they probably fucking act like that shit all the time anyway.
00:29:00
Keck
Yeah.
00:29:02
Keck
yeah yeah
00:29:05
Kevin Dougherty
So even today.
00:29:05
Keck
yeah
00:29:07
Kevin Dougherty
So it's not anything special.
00:29:08
Keck
Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying i don't think that the like initial Vincent Masuka character, if it was on a script in 2025, the same that was in, I think it was 2006, 2007, Dexter came out.
00:29:20
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:29:28
Keck
I don't think that like there's anybody where they would be like, yeah, no, that character is...
00:29:38
Keck
Yeah, that's not going to fly. Thank you. Yeah.
00:29:41
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:29:42
Keck
thank thank you
00:29:44
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I mean, I have been listening to the original ah the original book that the series is based on, and it's pretty much the same. like All the characters are pretty much written that way.
00:29:55
Keck
yeah
00:29:56
Kevin Dougherty
you know and So they adapted that pretty well.
00:30:01
Kevin Dougherty
And ah yeah yeah, everybody, like ah Young Masuka was good. Fucking, what you call it, ah
00:30:11
Keck
I didn't realize Patrick Dempsey was Patrick Dempsey for a little while, to be honest with you.
00:30:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:17
Keck
Uh, I hadn't, I hadn't really seen him in a while.
00:30:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:19
Keck
And, um, I got, uh, keyed onto it when, um, I saw him on, uh, one of the late night, uh, talk shows and i was like, Oh shit, you were in that, huh?
00:30:32
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:30:32
Keck
Yep. And so, uh, yeah. Um, other than that, I mean,
00:30:40
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, we can talk spoilers.
00:30:40
Keck
I did.
00:30:42
Kevin Dougherty
Do you want to talk spoilers?
00:30:44
Keck
What's that?
00:30:45
Kevin Dougherty
Lessa, do you want talk spoilers?
00:30:48
Keck
I didn't think that there was such a thing.
00:30:51
Kevin Dougherty
ah Well, I mean, you we find out that Patrick Dempsey you know was like the big overall villain of the show, and he's playing like the captain of the police station.
00:30:57
Keck
Oh, yeah.
00:31:03
Kevin Dougherty
and so that was the And he like kidnaps his own kid at one point. and fucking cut up that That was the only thing I didn't like about the show, was that he was like...
00:31:11
Keck
what does that that That the central villain is...
00:31:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:15
Keck
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:16
Keck
I thought that that was ridiculous.
00:31:17
Kevin Dougherty
I feel like leading up to that point, to that reveal where it was him, I thought was great. And when they revealed it was him, I was kind of like, man, like, like, what the fuck?
00:31:28
Kevin Dougherty
They couldn't get somebody else. Like, I did like the other stuff all with his brother.
00:31:30
Keck
Unless they did the reveal until the last episode.
00:31:34
Kevin Dougherty
think it was like the episode before when we get the reveal.
00:31:36
Keck
i think it was like I think it was like, yeah, like episode maybe, what, there were 10 episodes?
00:31:43
Kevin Dougherty
I thought there was only, thought there was only eight.
00:31:44
Keck
Or 8?
00:31:47
Keck
Well, whatever.
00:31:47
Kevin Dougherty
Oh no, there was 10. Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:49
Keck
Yeah.
00:31:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. That
00:31:50
Keck
I think in episode at the end of 6 or 7, you get the reveal with the blood cut. So that gave you like a few episodes to stew over the fact that this was really...
00:31:59
Kevin Dougherty
was the only storyline I didn't like.
00:32:06
Keck
not well done. That was not, that was not the way to go.
00:32:10
Kevin Dougherty
mean... that was the only storyline i didn't like i mean
00:32:14
Keck
And it was the big storyline. It was the final storyline, the storyline that like, yeah, solidifies Dexter's personality with his father.
00:32:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. Especially... Especially... and especially
00:32:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well but especially like the, not just the reveal that it was him, but like, oh, he did it because he was like jealous of his like, ah you know, ex dating somebody else.
00:32:33
Keck
Uh-huh. Yeah.
00:32:37
Kevin Dougherty
Like that was his whole fucking reason. Like what it had nothing to do with like trying to like, you know, blame shit on the cartel or like get them like arrested or something like that.
00:32:45
Keck
Yeah.
00:32:47
Kevin Dougherty
It was just like, oh, I'm jealous of this. So i have I'm going to not only take it out on my like, you know, I'm going
00:32:50
Keck
yeah
00:32:54
Kevin Dougherty
I'm gonna take it out on my fucking kid, like, it had no fucking nothing to do with it, you know what mean? Like, he was like, don't wanna hurt
00:32:59
Keck
who ah apparently it may or may not, he believed that it wasn't actually his kid, that his wife lied. i don't know if they ever actually proved that.
00:33:11
Keck
Like, um, it has been strongly insinuated that like, it wasn't really his kid, that his wife.
00:33:11
Kevin Dougherty
you. Yeah.
00:33:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but, you I mean, still, he, like, raised him until, like,
00:33:21
Keck
Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I think it's absolutely totally ridiculous. But the thing is, is I was talking to somebody else about this and I've known guys that are just the most bitter motherfuckers.
00:33:38
Keck
And when it comes, they're different the way they are with their friends ah than they are with women. And for them, they're certain people. And i mean, women make me happy.
00:33:54
Keck
Like, I love them. ah You know, not only are they my sexual partners, but women have also been amongst my best friends in life.
00:34:05
Keck
So, I mean, for me, like women, like ah I'm generally more comfortable around women than I am lot of like my own like fellow males.
00:34:17
Keck
But for certain guys, I don't know what it is, but like they're Men. You know what I mean? like ah Do I really need to explain?
00:34:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. No, no, no.
00:34:28
Keck
like a woman a
00:34:29
Kevin Dougherty
But it's not it's not that I don't... yeah
00:34:32
Keck
a woman will ignite a war. And they literally have.
00:34:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:34:37
Keck
Single women have ignited continental wars.
00:34:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:34:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it's just that that it's like he was the captain of the the fucking police.
00:34:46
Keck
Yeah.
00:34:47
Kevin Dougherty
state And not like there weren't plenty of bad cops that beat their fucking wives or anything like that.
00:34:48
Keck
ah Yes.
00:34:52
Kevin Dougherty
There's plenty of that.
00:34:53
Keck
Yes.
00:34:53
Kevin Dougherty
It's just that like in this, in the overall Dexter, if you watch this enough, there's so it's like who gets infiltrated more with bad guys, fucking Miami police or fucking the CTU
Crime Infiltration and Standout Performances
00:35:04
Keck
Oh, yeah. It's just constant. Constant. Yeah. Constant infiltrations.
00:35:05
Kevin Dougherty
from 24.
00:35:11
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, ah just the fact that, like, Dexter's a fucking, you know, blood splatter analyst and fucking, you know, is a murdering himself.
00:35:15
Keck
Yeah.
00:35:20
Kevin Dougherty
There's already other people in that same department that, like, are get their own fucking shit going at one point.
00:35:25
Keck
Yeah. yeah And before I forget about this, there was a recent write-up about this um that um they believe that the television show Dexter has been responsible for ah dozens of people that have been incarcerated for capital crimes, including murder of their own children.
00:35:51
Keck
because of ah blood spatter work, which they're now trying to get thrown out of law in just about every state in the country.
00:36:04
Keck
They do not think blood spatter analyst, analysts or analystics, or whatever it's called, should even be a science. It's like, um per yes, it is apparently so convoluted, it apparently...
00:36:14
Kevin Dougherty
yeah but while
00:36:18
Kevin Dougherty
I thought you were going to say that like, yeah, I thought you were going to say something completely different.
00:36:20
Keck
So inaccurate. Yeah.
00:36:24
Kevin Dougherty
I thought you were going to say because of Dexter, there's been mad serial killers.
00:36:28
Keck
No, no, no, no, no.
00:36:29
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:36:30
Keck
Because of Dexter, because of shows like that. um
00:36:34
Kevin Dougherty
ye
00:36:35
Keck
for um For example, if I'm going to quote a case um that there was actually, I think there was a series based on it called The Staircase.
00:36:42
Kevin Dougherty
Thank you.
00:36:45
Keck
um About a guy, it's about a real case, they still don't know exactly what happened, um but like there was an FBI agent who acted as a blood spatter analyst in the case, and he ended up getting the guy ah out of prison because it came back that he was just like totally full of fucking shit.
00:37:10
Keck
um Look into it, The Staircase, if you're interested.
00:37:13
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:14
Keck
I believe there was a movie made, there was a book written, and I'm almost certain that, I don't know what network or what streaming service it's on, I'm pretty sure that there is a ah whole first season with...
00:37:28
Keck
um With ah noteworthy actors as well. So, um you know, but anyway, getting a little bit sidebarred there. But yeah, the whole thing is, is that they were saying that because of like shows like that of depicting inaccurate forensics.
00:37:39
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:37:49
Keck
um That has led to, well, I mean, shit, man. We have a fucking celebrity apprentice goddamn president. Doc, just go.
00:37:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:38:00
Keck
I'm sorry. I'm done.
00:38:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:38:03
Keck
and Take us home.
00:38:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:38:04
Keck
Take us home, baby. Come on, Doc.
00:38:07
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:38:07
Keck
I need a closer.
00:38:10
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I guess, I mean, overall, I did really like this ah season, and I liked all the actors, and, and like, it definitely, like, Michael C. Hall as the inner voice was perfect to bring him back.
00:38:23
Kevin Dougherty
And, uh...
00:38:23
Keck
who Who was the actor that – and, oh, God, but I hope i don't get shit for this. He kind reminded me of Sidney Poitier.
00:38:36
Kevin Dougherty
um
00:38:37
Keck
ah black The black god detective that gets shot in the neck ah that the from that Dexter, like that... pra What's his name? i all know the guy. he I thought he was great. it was the first time I saw him.
00:38:51
Keck
He was one of my um my ah favorite ah my favorite actors in the whole thing, and the whole detective.
00:38:56
Kevin Dougherty
Was it Bobby Watt?
00:38:59
Keck
What's that?
00:39:00
Kevin Dougherty
Was his name Bobby Watt? Detective Bobby Watt?
00:39:02
Keck
I'm not sure. He gets wounded. the...
00:39:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, ah Reno Wilson is his name.
00:39:07
Keck
Yeah, he was he he was good.
00:39:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Oh, yeah, like a young, young 40.
00:39:09
Keck
and
00:39:10
Kevin Dougherty
I'm thinking of old 40.
00:39:11
Keck
Yeah, no, I'm thinking like, well, ah you Sidney Poitier, he had knight. You know, I think of him as like that. And, ah you know, he played that big badass cop and whatchamacall. And um I thought he was great in this and I was worried that they were going to kill his character off.
00:39:30
Keck
I was like, Jesus, God damn, you're going to kill off the black guy like right away? Like the only like, but you know, I'm
00:39:37
Kevin Dougherty
I
00:39:37
Keck
like Obviously, at that time, in even in a progressive city like Miami, like you know you're going to have a lesser ah display of minority officers on the force given that what was this this was the 1980s, right?
00:39:55
Keck
and That this was supposed to be?
00:39:55
Kevin Dougherty
think it was the 80s or 90s, because I forget when the original series was.
00:39:58
Keck
was it i can't I can't remember. yeah I'm not sure.
00:40:01
Kevin Dougherty
I want to say...
00:40:02
Keck
I think I will say the cars. No, those were late 70s, early 80s cars.
00:40:08
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, because I remember even in the Dexter series, I don't remember them using...
00:40:09
Keck
and
00:40:11
Keck
Those were 90s cars. Well,
00:40:16
Kevin Dougherty
Did they use cell phones? I think there was just page they had pagers. I know that. don't remember if they were using cell phones.
00:40:22
Keck
I mean, I'll tell you.
00:40:23
Kevin Dougherty
yeah least At least in the book, they don't, because that's because when the book takes place, it's just pagers and regular...
00:40:23
Keck
i mean i'll tell you
00:40:30
Keck
I was living in Miami in 2007, which is, I think, and I had a cell phone. and
00:40:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I just can't remember if the series did just because I'm listening to the book and they're not using it.
00:40:39
Keck
Yeah.
00:40:41
Kevin Dougherty
And I'm like, now I'm trying to think back. They definitely don't in the original Sin because cell phones weren't around.
00:40:47
Keck
Yeah. Yep.
00:40:48
Kevin Dougherty
but Yeah, I can't remember if it was 80s or 90s.
00:40:48
Keck
Yep.
00:40:49
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, they do.
00:40:50
Keck
Yeah, except for car cell phones. They had the car cell phone there.
00:40:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:54
Keck
And they, you know, they even had to make reference to that a few times.
00:40:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:41:00
Keck
Like, people would be dumb enough to not realize that, like, they didn't have, well, I guess.
00:41:05
Kevin Dougherty
yeah I did like the stuff in ah Original Sim with his brother, ah but i'll also didn't because I'm like, man, if you're just starting out, like this kind of spoils season one.
00:41:17
Keck
I thought the exact same.
00:41:17
Kevin Dougherty
but like But at the same time, i still like I was like, well, since I've already seen everything, i was like, it's kind of cool that he's kind of been there, kind of already watching Dexter and like you know taking out things so people can't you know link the two together.
00:41:33
Kevin Dougherty
I thought that was kind of cool, but like I was like, this is way too early for them to to be meeting right now, because like I still want another um another season of virgin Original Sin.
00:41:38
Keck
ah right Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:43
Kevin Dougherty
ah like I mean, you could end it here, and you could just pick up with the first season right after, because i mean it does kind of work that ah work pretty well that way, even though there's definitely a time difference between when he's... free Because this is like his first year on the Force, and as so compared to when the original Dexter shows up.
00:41:43
Keck
yeah
00:42:03
Kevin Dougherty
So it's like, you're already introducing ah this person, and then for 20 years or whatever it is, or it's probably like 10 years ah between that.
00:42:10
Keck
Yeah.
00:42:12
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know how how old he's supposed to be.
00:42:13
Keck
Yeah.
00:42:15
Kevin Dougherty
But ah yeah, it's like...
00:42:17
Keck
it's It's at least 15 years. it's i mean, because he was a little kid. like he wasn't like He was barely speaking in complete sentences.
00:42:27
Keck
Yeah.
00:42:28
Kevin Dougherty
No, I'm talking about when the when he's on The Force. That's his first season.
00:42:33
Kevin Dougherty
ah yeah That's his first year on The Force. I'm talking about when the original season came out, how many years on The Force he was already on.
00:42:33
Keck
Yeah.
00:42:40
Keck
Oh, how many years? oh on the force.
00:42:41
Kevin Dougherty
So how many years in between that Yeah.
00:42:45
Keck
I don't think you have the Brian character in this original.
00:42:45
Kevin Dougherty
but
00:42:50
Keck
I don't think he should his character should even be in it.
00:42:51
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:42:53
Keck
well
00:42:53
Kevin Dougherty
no
00:42:54
Keck
Obviously showing like them when they were little kids, yeah, sure.
00:42:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's fine.
00:42:58
Keck
But I don't think that the older Brian, I don't think his character should have even been in it.
00:42:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:43:05
Kevin Dougherty
No, no.
00:43:05
Kevin Dougherty
He should have just been left a message, a mystery.
00:43:05
Keck
That's my opinion.
00:43:08
Keck
Yeah.
00:43:08
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah, I still thought it cool.
00:43:09
Keck
If he's ever in it at all, even if there were two, maybe even three seasons, I don't know that you need to, I mean, maybe at the end of like the third season, like, you know what mean?
00:43:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:43:22
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:43:23
Keck
Like, let's say there's three seasons of Dexter, like maybe at the end of the third season, maybe in like, uh, you know, the last few episodes, like, Ooh, cool cliffhanger.
00:43:34
Keck
That's how we end it. Like that would,
00:43:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, could have just like hinted at it throughout the show with him like, you know, being like locked up or whatever, like in the mental hospital or whatever.
00:43:41
Keck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:43
Kevin Dougherty
You could have like hinted about But yeah, I mean, I still thought it was cool. Like him like analyzing and him trying to like, oh, there's like somebody like new, like just like it's his first, it's his brother's like first time going through his shit.
00:43:55
Keck
It makes Harry look really bad, though.
00:43:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, it does.
00:43:59
Keck
Because it makes Harry look like, dude, like, all right you're raising a serial killer that you know is serial killer.
00:44:04
Kevin Dougherty
Wait, go even before that, because, like, I didn't know that like, he let his first kid drown in the pool.
00:44:07
Keck
Yeah.
00:44:10
Keck
You let his first kid drown. um but yeah You apparently fucking multiple CIs.
00:44:13
Kevin Dougherty
And then he adopted, like... No,
00:44:19
Keck
And the last one that you were fucking
00:44:20
Kevin Dougherty
he was just fucking the one CI. He was cheating on his wife with the one. And that's
00:44:25
Keck
in Dexter, in like the normal show, they talk about how he had fucked other CIs.
00:44:32
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, they they mentioned other ones?
00:44:33
Keck
yeah but Yeah, if you go back and watch like that.
00:44:34
Kevin Dougherty
don't remember, yeah. Yeah.
00:44:37
Keck
I watched, them I'm actually, well, I'm re-watching it again, but I had re-watched it maybe like six months ago.
00:44:45
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, okay.
00:44:45
Keck
I had re-watched, i i had nothing to watch for a while, and it was like that show you would put on to go to sleep to and then end up watching all night.
00:44:53
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:44:54
Keck
And, yeah, um it was when um ah Jennifer Gardner, when Deb was trying to track down um things about, like, her father's XCIs, she meets a woman that ah was sleeping with her father while she was still alive.
00:45:14
Kevin Dougherty
That's right, yeah.
00:45:15
Keck
married to her mother. And she's like, oh yeah, Harry ah fucked all the good looking ones. Like, so it was, it's insinuated that he had two plus affairs with informants, if you go by that.
00:45:21
Kevin Dougherty
did Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:28
Kevin Dougherty
With Deborah, yeah, yeah
00:45:33
Keck
So, you know, and this was like when his like wife was like home and pregnant, like ah he's married
00:45:40
Kevin Dougherty
yeah. with with debra yeah yeah
00:45:44
Keck
Yeah, and well, I mean, yeah I mean, he's pregnant. ah He has gotten one killed. ah Fucking
00:45:55
Kevin Dougherty
I think if she didn't get pregnant...
00:45:57
Keck
abandoned son, one
00:46:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. If she didn't get pregnant with Debra, I think he was going to leave her for the CI with Dexter and Brian and be there.
00:46:07
Keck
yeah and Which would not really have made him a better person at all.
00:46:11
Kevin Dougherty
No, no.
00:46:11
Keck
but
00:46:12
Kevin Dougherty
No, no. Like, maybe if he had done that, she may might not have gotten, like, you know, can although he I think she probably would have gotten kidnapped. He probably would have gotten killed as well, but, like,
00:46:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I did like how it showed like what led up to like ah how Dexter ended up in that container. ah Yeah, yeah.
00:46:29
Keck
But like now he realizes that he's got right now, currently, he knows that Dexter's brother is out there.
00:46:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:46:41
Keck
a come completely deranged psychopathic killer that he has no intention of doing anything about who he knows is going to go on a psychopathic killing for him.
00:46:45
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:46:52
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:46:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, he's really just trying to keep that information from Dexter. He's not worried about trying to stop him from killing.
00:47:03
Keck
Yeah.
00:47:04
Kevin Dougherty
He just doesn't want Dexter to find out his but about his brother.
00:47:05
Keck
LaGuerreta. Yeah.
00:47:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah it does make sense.
00:47:09
Keck
LaGuerta, the actress that plays LaGuerta is phenomenal.
00:47:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:14
Keck
And she, I've never seen her. She's beautiful as all can be. And, but like, yeah. So he, and yeah, he's actively keeping that fact.
00:47:24
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:47:24
Keck
Look at that. true boy and Dude, he chainsawed her. It's not like he just like killed, like, you know what? He went crazy and he shot a few people or even strangled. He chainsawed that scarred faced woman alive.
00:47:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah, like, it wasn't just his mom that they killed in front of them, it was like a whole other family, like, first, and then her in front of them before they got found.
00:47:44
Keck
He chainsawed alive. Yeah.
00:47:50
Keck
yeah
00:47:54
Keck
yeah ah family And then just like some randos.
00:47:55
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:47:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like, it was not, yeah, yeah, you're not getting that right.
00:48:03
Keck
But Harry knew he murdered that woman with a chainsaw alive and knows he's going to go out and probably chainsaw more people alive.
00:48:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:48:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:48:18
Keck
And he's going to do nothing about it. knowing he is fully complicit in all of it.
00:48:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:48:28
Keck
ah
00:48:28
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, he's...
00:48:29
Keck
So, I mean, god damn he's kind of a bad detective.
00:48:36
Keck
her Bad lieutenant. He becomes a lieutenant.
00:48:37
Kevin Dougherty
yeah he's it's
00:48:39
Keck
He's a bad lieutenant.
00:48:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, he's just leaving one fucking killer out there and he's raising another one to kill all the killers.
00:48:43
Keck
Yeah.
00:48:46
Keck
Yeah.
00:48:47
Kevin Dougherty
So, like, Miami Metro's, like, closed case files, like, are just, like, they probably closed, like, not that many cases, like, when it comes to murders and serial murders, because Dexter gets rid of them all.
00:48:59
Kevin Dougherty
So they just have all these open cases of, like, missing people and, like, and or bots.
00:49:00
Keck
think yeah
00:49:04
Keck
Based on Harry's decisions.
00:49:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:07
Keck
Based on Harry's decisions.
00:49:08
Kevin Dougherty
yeah In the book, it's a little different because, like, it's...
00:49:10
Keck
i
00:49:12
Kevin Dougherty
um I don't know if you mentioned the show, but in the in the book, they ah Dexter talks about, like, how sometimes he purposely will help them solve a case here and there, and or, like, and hopefully...
00:49:23
Kevin Dougherty
Because, like... They'll talk about like how ah d Dexter like ah he doesn't want to give out too many good leads to people as well because then everyone will be like, all right, something's up with you if you know all of this fucking shit.
00:49:38
Keck
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:49:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. So like he'll try to give bad information once in a while just to kind of just stay level, but then he'll also help ah so solve cases as well.
00:49:39
Keck
um
00:49:46
Kevin Dougherty
So he doesn't like, you know, he just kind of mentions it in the in the book. like So that way he tried like so he came't he was like, I can't let ah can't kill all the fucking serial killers because then the the then they'll be on to me or something like that.
00:49:58
Keck
Oh, yeah. in the Ying and yang.
00:49:59
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:50:00
Keck
You know what mean?
00:50:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:50:01
Keck
You need to give and get.
00:50:01
Kevin Dougherty
It's all about just keeping under the radar nothing special about you. like You don't want to lay eyes on you.
00:50:07
Keck
Exactly.
00:50:08
Kevin Dougherty
Except Dokes is like on him immediately. Dokes is the only one that sees through
00:50:12
Keck
Yeah.
00:50:15
Keck
Yeah, i didnt know I don't know who Dokes is going to turn out to be. Who they going get to play the young Dokes? That's going be real buck wild.
00:50:21
Kevin Dougherty
ah young yeah
00:50:23
Keck
You know, you know i'm trying i'm trying I'm trying to think of like who would be a good actor to do that. Yeah.
00:50:31
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know. The first name that came to mind was Bo King Woodbine, but he's not young. yeah.
00:50:35
Keck
Yeah, he is not, no, and he's not buck wild enough. like
00:50:40
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah
00:50:41
Keck
Like, ah you know who you need is you need the pimp from True Romance. You need Gary Oldman's character from True Romance. ah
00:50:54
Keck
And Gary Oldman got that character from a guy he met that he said scared the shit out of him on the set of Romeo is Bleeding, which was like, I guess the movie he did before True Romance.
00:50:54
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:51:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:09
Keck
And like, he like pitched it. He was like, yo, I think that like, this will give the writer Tarantino's character, like, you know what I mean? So like, yeah, he had to do that.
00:51:22
Keck
That too, because like, Doak said that, he was in all kinds of like crazy, like, ah special forces shit, so you're gonna have to have somebody that's like real and jet, he's gonna have to be buff as fuck, so he can't be Terry Oldman, obviously.
00:51:37
Kevin Dougherty
he's and we on Yeah, and real intense.
00:51:40
Keck
But you're... Yeah, somebody real intense.
00:51:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:44
Keck
Yeah, I wonder – yeah, that would be something – I'd wonder who people think is going to get hired for that role, given that they – I guess we should wrap up and conclude.
00:51:57
Keck
Is there a second season definite for or it's still –
00:52:01
Kevin Dougherty
ah I don't think anything's been announced yet. um But yeah, I don't think anything's been announced yet. But the I can give you some casting news on Dexter Resurrection that's supposed to air...
00:52:15
Keck
What about reception of, I haven't checked like IMDB or anything.
Reception and Ratings Insights
00:52:21
Kevin Dougherty
out 10?
00:52:22
Keck
ah so it's been well received.
00:52:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. I haven't read any reviews, but that that's just what the IMDb is.
00:52:28
Keck
Yeah, but that's, that's, that's good reception. So it's been well received. So yeah, I mean, obviously ah you have the viewership there.
00:52:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:52:37
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:52:37
Keck
um
00:52:38
Keck
Assuming um the viewership, this is ah available on what service?
00:52:43
Kevin Dougherty
so Showtime.
00:52:46
Keck
And Showtime um
00:52:48
Kevin Dougherty
Part of Paramount?
00:52:50
Keck
is par Paramount and Paramount is Paramount.
00:52:52
Kevin Dougherty
You have to get the add-on or you can get it separate.
00:52:55
Keck
Okay. and But so...
00:52:57
Kevin Dougherty
i Getting the add-on is just cheaper than just getting Showtime by itself.
00:53:01
Keck
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:01
Kevin Dougherty
It's like the cost of Peacock and Showtime is, I think, about the same price as just Showtime.
00:53:08
Keck
Gotcha, gotcha.
00:53:09
Kevin Dougherty
but ah For Dexter Resurrection,
00:53:12
Keck
I don't know.
00:53:14
Kevin Dougherty
ah the ah the cast, so which is going to pick up with Michael C. Hall returning as Dexter, pick up after ah New Blood. ah Peter Diglitch has been cast.
00:53:26
Keck
Oh, dude, my man.
00:53:28
Kevin Dougherty
Uma Thurman also been cast. And ah Kristen Ritter ah is coming in as well. i You might know her from ah Breaking Bad.
00:53:39
Kevin Dougherty
at Yeah, Jessie's a girl who OD'd. And Jessica Jones.
00:53:39
Keck
i know who she is.
00:53:43
Keck
Yeah, I know she
00:53:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:53:45
Keck
she
00:53:46
Kevin Dougherty
OK.
00:53:46
Keck
is
00:53:47
Kevin Dougherty
OK. And then you also got James Remar returning as Harry Morgan. So I guess he'll be a ghosto Ghost Harry again.
00:53:58
Kevin Dougherty
And it looks like, uh, Jack Alcott who plays, uh, his son Harrison, uh, is coming back as well. So that, that'd be interesting.
00:54:10
Kevin Dougherty
Uh,
00:54:10
Keck
And this takes place right after, so he recovers from the gunshot to the heart at point blank range with a.308 caliber rifle.
00:54:20
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, we don't know how long after, because like in Dexter's Original Sin, you see him being driven to the hospital and he's in the hospital like in a coma.
00:54:21
Keck
Okay. Yeah.
00:54:27
Keck
Yeah. He was shot point blank in the heart. he He pointed out exactly where he was to even be shot.
00:54:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:54:36
Keck
It was a.308 hunting rifle, and he was not given like any like special treatment.
00:54:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:54:44
Keck
He was just thrown the back of the car. He looked like he had actually been laying on the ground for like a while, too. Because she had to, like, ah she had to, like, say, like, all right, you know, I'm going let Harrison go free.
00:54:59
Keck
And she takes a few minutes, too, looking at his body at the very end. I went back and watched.
00:55:06
Kevin Dougherty
Hey, it was cold. So maybe that helped, uh,
00:55:09
Keck
and well Oh, so you think it was like something like from The Abyss? Like you think it was like what happened to Mary Elizabeth when she was like, yeah, like Ed Harris, like, you know, when he's like dumping on her chest?
00:55:22
Keck
Yeah, I see it, Doc.
00:55:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, I mean, we don't know how long he's in the coma for, so I don't know when Resurrection's supposed to pick up at.
00:55:24
Keck
I it.
00:55:29
Keck
um know I know. I'm just being an asshole.
00:55:30
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah.
00:55:32
Keck
I'm just trying to be a dick.
00:55:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:35
Keck
You know what it's it's going to be ridiculous It's going to be ridiculous either way.
00:55:35
Kevin Dougherty
I completely get you that, like, he survived, but it's like, yeah.
00:55:40
Keck
I mean, it's very ridiculous story.
00:55:40
Kevin Dougherty
Like, yeah. um but I'm glad he survived just so we can get more death there, because...
00:55:45
Keck
ah yeah no i want Yeah, I want him. um But yeah, I was curious as to whether or not they were going to do another season of Origins because you know that that would give another season of the Slater factor.
00:56:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:56:00
Keck
and you know um But if Resurrection is right around the corner, I mean, i can't think that they would come out concurrently.
00:56:11
Keck
You know what I mean? So...
00:56:12
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, they are. So, we yeah, we got Dexter.
00:56:16
Keck
well they Well, we don't know if Origins is getting...
00:56:19
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, you mean another season. Yeah, I mean, but I could totally see them doing, ah you know, coming out with another season of Original Sin and then another Resurrection season two right after that as well.
00:56:24
Keck
the
00:56:31
Kevin Dougherty
They can just go back and forth.
00:56:32
Keck
Yeah, I mean, i guess it really just comes down to money and desire.
00:56:37
Kevin Dougherty
And yeah, and how um and have ratings, really.
00:56:40
Keck
Yeah.
00:56:41
Kevin Dougherty
it's being well rated and people are watching it, then they'll renew it.
00:56:41
Keck
You know...
00:56:44
Kevin Dougherty
So that's what I can tell you.
00:56:45
Keck
It is not hands that open these walls, but desire.
00:56:54
Kevin Dougherty
but so
00:56:54
Keck
No?
00:56:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, Hellraiser.
00:56:56
Keck
Yeah. All right.
00:56:57
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:56:57
Keck
Cool. Yeah.
00:56:58
Kevin Dougherty
I know what you're talking about.
00:56:59
Keck
Awesome. Well, and on that.
00:57:00
Kevin Dougherty
So anyway, what do you got? what You got any recommendations?............
00:57:04
Keck
I do, but like I have like a little bit more like to talk about it than like I would care to do right now. like I could feel myself like probably like going on and on.
00:57:16
Keck
So um I think I'm going to save it for next
Recommendations and Final Thoughts
00:57:20
Keck
time. What about you? Do you have anything in the works or anything that like you just start watching that you'd recommend?
00:57:22
Kevin Dougherty
um
00:57:25
Kevin Dougherty
Well,
00:57:28
Kevin Dougherty
well I mean, I'm currently watching Yellow Jackets, ah but i didn just I did just see Osgood Perkins' The Monkey, which is a remake of Monkey Shines, based on the short story by Stephen King.
00:57:32
Keck
Yeah.
00:57:40
Keck
Yeah.
00:57:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, i thought it was I thought it was pretty good. I mean, it was ah
00:57:43
Keck
but
00:57:45
Kevin Dougherty
it was
00:57:45
Keck
I got a pop-up of it today, actually, on the my IMDB thing. It just came up like monkey shot. joke It was a joke, but I'm sorry. Go ahead.
00:57:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it was, yeah, it was, like, it's funny, because, like, they play it kind of straight, and but it's, like, the kills are real, like, goofy, and it's kind of, like, Final Destination, but, like, Final Destination has, like, a longer build-up ah to, like, the kills, where this is, like, kind of a short build-up, and then it's just, like, bam, in your face, and it's over, so it's, like, real quick and, like, and and and fucking hilarious, so I really enjoyed it.
00:58:19
Kevin Dougherty
People are, like, like, Oh, I was laughing inappropriate times. I was like, no, you weren't. Those were the the points that you were supposed to be laughing at. Don't worry. They purposely did that. like But like unlike his first movie, ah Long Legs, where kind of fell apart at the end, like I kind of enjoyed this ah all the way through.
00:58:36
Kevin Dougherty
And I thought it was kind of good. So yeah, I recommend that.
00:58:39
Keck
the definite Oh, shit.
00:58:40
Kevin Dougherty
We'll talk about it when it comes out on streaming.
00:58:44
Keck
um the the um The joke I had, it said, this monkey has a sick sense of humor.
00:58:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:58:56
Keck
I'm not like exactly sure what that is. I, i I'm just familiar with the original, like a monkey shines horror movie. I think it was from like the eighties or maybe early nineties.
00:59:07
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:59:07
Keck
I can't read remember, but yeah.
00:59:09
Kevin Dougherty
George Romero directed it. I know that.
00:59:11
Keck
Yeah.
00:59:12
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Which I'll probably re-watch again and then re-watch The Monkey when it when it comes out on streaming so we can talk about both of them.
00:59:19
Keck
Yeah.
00:59:19
Kevin Dougherty
I think it'd be a good idea.
00:59:20
Keck
Yeah. I, I, I plan to do that as well.
00:59:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yep.
00:59:24
Keck
So.
00:59:24
Kevin Dougherty
um uh all right well that was our uh dexter talk uh thanks for joining me
00:59:30
Keck
Dexter and so much more. it should be Dexter Plus. can We covered Dexter seasons.
00:59:34
Kevin Dougherty
yeah we'll be
00:59:36
Keck
we even talked a little bit about Jimmy Smith and, you know, with the Skinner. And let me just add real quick. The death of the Skinner.
00:59:46
Keck
If you watch the death of any Dexter villain, any Dexter killer that Dexter's ever gone after, try to find... It's very hard to find. i found it on Dailymotion. The clip of the Skinner dying, who is like this ah El Salvadorian death squad guy. Yeah.
01:00:05
Keck
Find the killing of him. His actual death scene. How he falls and gets dragged under a police car.
01:00:10
Kevin Dougherty
And you hit by the car. Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:12
Keck
It is hysterical. I watched it and re-watched it and went on my VLC media player and put on A, B, repeat. I went over it, man. I was going like 20 minutes, dude. I was shitting myself.
01:00:27
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:00:27
Keck
It is hysterical. The fact that they thought it He was capable of killing himself so ridiculously under a cop car.
01:00:46
Keck
You have to say it.
01:00:48
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:00:48
Keck
So, you know, that would be my assignment to you. Go out and search for Dexter season three, the death of the Skinner.
01:00:59
Kevin Dougherty
Let's watch all of Dexter before June, and then we'll come back ah one yeah yeah once once we once Dexter Resurrection finishes, we'll be back.
01:01:04
Keck
But watch Death of the Skinner first before anything.
01:01:11
Kevin Dougherty
as So it'll probably be like July, we'll probably be talking about Dexter again. So, yeah.
01:01:15
Keck
Oh, yeah. Hell, yeah. More Dexter.
01:01:16
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
01:01:17
Keck
More Dexter. And, yeah. And other than that, um yeah. I mean, good night. And we're going to be in the not-too-distant future talking about Silo, too, which there's a lot to talk about there.
01:01:32
Kevin Dougherty
yeah and dune prophecy we'll be uh talking about about
01:01:33
Keck
So, yeah. Doom Prophecy, lot to talk about there. and um ah what well And then we got some epic recommends coming up as well.
01:01:45
Keck
So ah anyway, Doc, good to see you again, brother.
01:01:45
Kevin Dougherty
yes yeah thanks for joining me and uh follow us on social medias peace
01:01:49
Keck
You look well. And until next time.