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Kevin Dougherty: I got that in there this time, not you. Welcome to Freight Central, I'm Doc back here again with Keck, and ah tonight we're gonna be talking about Dexter Original Sin.
Kevin Dougherty: ah But first up, ah I do have some news, but ah how have you been since the ah last cast of Nosferatu?
Keck: Man, dude.
Keck: My wife has been very challenging since that cast.
Kevin Dougherty: So should we just move on then? All right.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: So I guess the news I got is Derry Argento's Phenomena. don't know if you remember that movie with ah Jennifer Connelly and Donald Pleasance.
Keck: I remember every movie with Jennifer Connelly, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, ah it's getting a TV series adaptation from ah Italy's Titanus production. And apparently, they're at they I don't know if it's already done or what, because the way the um this report reads is that it's heading to France's series Mania Festival in March.
Kevin Dougherty: ah So, yeah, I don't know if it's already finished or not. But, um and I mean, there's no other...
Keck: And wait, what what is this for?
Kevin Dougherty: Phenomena? Phenomena?
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, Argento's 85 movie? Yeah, they're making series adaptation.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. or it's our Or it's already done. i don't know.
Keck: And there's just no information, like it's that it's on like a teaser, it's on a cliffhanger or what?
Kevin Dougherty: No, as far as I know, this is just like an announcement for it, that Italian production...
Keck: that it's already but it's already been completed?
Kevin Dougherty: I don't know. I'm just saying like that's how I read that as it sounded like it was already completed because they're taking it to some festival.
Keck: It was post-production.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, because they're taking it to some festival. so that sounds makes it sounds like it's already done.
Keck: Oh, well, yeah, that would that would sound, yeah, that would sound...
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. but probably ah There's no trailer or cast news or anything. I mean, it just has the series writers.
Keck: Is that totally uncommon for certain festivals where they, like, kind of want to go in total freshie, especially if, like, they have, like, something that they think is going to be a big hit with, like, ah something that they've been able to attract good talent, like Jennifer Connelly?
Keck: Yeah. Well, Connelly's not in this.
Kevin Dougherty: No, she's not in this, no.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: She was in the original.
Keck: She's not in... Yeah, sorry.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Keck: Yeah, I'm thinking. I mean, a man can dream. You know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Keck: i just um I just recently watched a um ah show that I don't know if we've discussed on the cast before, but we probably will at some point, called Dark Matter.
Keck: um And ah I mean, goddamn, Jennifer Connelly, like, she looks...
Kevin Dougherty: I haven't watched that yet.
Keck: The same as she did when we were all growing up. um She, ah her acting is spot on and she is as beautiful as ever.
Keck: She could play fucking 19 or fucking, don't know, 39.
Kevin Dougherty: Or however old she is.
Keck: I have no, she's, I think she's got, she's probably, i mean, mathematically, she's got to be like at least 50, if not like between 50 and 60.
Kevin Dougherty: 49 maybe?
Kevin Dougherty: She's got to be 50.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Um, but like, if I could easily see her as like 29, I'm sorry. I go in the whole, you mentioned Jennifer Connelly. It was a bad move.
Keck: Um, But, um, whatchamacall, um, yeah, I mean, ah phenomenal. But, uh, anyway, bring us back to ah Earth.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, so originally they had announced that they were going to develop in a sequel to it, um but i we don't know if this is it just just reworked as in remake slash sequel, or if they're still working on the sequel, but it said the same production company was doing it.
Keck: It just sounds like there's a lot of what-ifs.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I mean, it's also not an American production, and so that could be why we don't have a tv series or casting news or anything like that, because they were they're able to keep like everything you know under wraps a little bit easier, because they don't have fucking...
Keck: Ha, ha, ha.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah And they didn't actually, at least to our knowledge, hire any big talent for this.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it could be all and unknown, and it could be all in Italian for all we know as well.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: so
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, i'm still I would still check it out. I mean...
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: There's been ah some good shows coming from ah overseas recently. so ah
Keck: Oh, God. ah Yeah, I mean, i was actually um going to suggest, I'll just mention it since it's on my mind, but ah in the future, um I was going to suggest that um we share our knowledge of... um good foreign, uh, horror sci-fi shows that really never got picked up by, um, like, uh, you know, U.S.
Keck: audiences. Like, uh, for example, like, um, for me, it would be like, uh, the show The Bridge, which got picked up for U.S. s audience, but they had, um, I think it was like three or four seasons of it, um,
Kevin Dougherty: Thank you.
Keck: In sweden and Sweden and Denmark are the two places where it was supposed to. But that was fucking ah phenomenal.
Keck: And there were a few other ones, and I wanted to do a cast at one point of, like, you know, like, just that, like, foreign horror element that never really made it to Netflix or anything like that. Like, I can't even figure out how to watch some of these shows other than, well, you know, searching.
Keck: But, you know you know, I wanted to, like, actually explore further into that, like, what you're saying.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. yeah
Keck: There's so much stuff that... ah has gotten letten down by the wayside that we haven't seen because it just, you know, streaming wars, right?
Keck: Anyway.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. So and moving on, our the next thing I have is Jason News. ah
Keck: what
Kevin Dougherty: not No, no, no. Jason News.
Keck: Jason, okay, all right, all right. I'll step off.
Kevin Dougherty: jason goes Jason goes to hell and ah Jason X are going to be getting a 4K Ultra HD release on May 20th from Arrowhead.
Keck: ah No, that is not good for Jason in space. You don't want to see that movie in 4k.
Kevin Dougherty: and
Keck: It will reveal what should not be revealed.
Keck: I'm pretty certain that you were sitting right next to me in theaters. I think AMC, Hamilton, New Jersey, where there was a scene where they were showing the gun that the one kid had.
Kevin Dougherty: ye
Keck: and like oh at the same time, you heard the laughter throughout theater, which With like how badly like, you know, it was just like PVC piping like duct tape.
Kevin Dougherty: yes
Keck: right
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: I mean, this was like one of the first times that I had been in like, you know, we talked about House of the Dead. But like this was like one of the first times that I was in like a packed theater full of people on like a Friday night. Like Jason X like bang.
Keck: Opening night and like people started laughing about the production quality. Like, oh, but I've never.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, but at least with Jason X, it was it's one of those, it's so bad, but it's still so entertaining.
Keck: never. That was a first for me.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah. And yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: but Unlike House of the Dead, where it was just bad and not annoying.
Keck: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Keck: Yeah, after that, they talked about it and they said those same people that made ah those laughs that I'm talking about, those people were twice as likely to say that they encouraged someone or brought someone and saw it themselves a second time because of that.
Keck: You know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah
Keck: And I know that ah they said after that, they said, I remember hearing a radio ad in there like, and Jason Voorhees still packs him into the box office as they've more than doubled the um you know ah the amount of money.
Keck: Because they did actually spend a decent amount on CGI in that movie. Like, they did do, like, I mean, there were some pretty cool graphics in that movie.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: So, I mean, I'll give it that.
Kevin Dougherty: There's also a lot of terrible graphics.
Keck: A lot of terrible graphics.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: There was a lot of terrible writing, but there was also a lot of great writing in that movie, man.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. yeah
Keck: He just wants his machete back.
Kevin Dougherty: here
Keck: I mean, you know, they go, I could, oh man, I could just do a cast on that movie.
Kevin Dougherty: he's Coming this way.
Kevin Dougherty: and
Keck: Doc, please, I'm so distracted. Keep moving us in the positive direction.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Well, keeping on the Jason news, i actually have Crystal Lake news.
Keck: Yeah, you fuck.
Kevin Dougherty: The... ah There's a casting reports that they have found their Mrs. Voorhees for the prequel series. No,
Keck: Beverly D'Angelo. Beverly D'Angelo.
Kevin Dougherty: it's ah Linda Cardellini. You might know her. like i know some people will know her from... ah She was Hawkeye's wife in the Avengers movies.
Kevin Dougherty: ah She was Velma in Scooby-Doo, but you would know her from Mad Men Season 6 as Sylvia Rosen. Because I know you know that show.
Keck: Mad Men season six, Sylvia.
Kevin Dougherty: i
Keck: i just don't, I can't think of the character.
Kevin Dougherty: She's in first eight episodes, then the episode 11, then she was in Season 7 and Episode 9.
Keck: yeah I was actually just watching some mad men on some ah bullshit fucking network that I i had initially thought like, oh, yeah, I was like, oh, yeah, the commercials aren't even bad here.
Kevin Dougherty: want my tubies. I'll
Kevin Dougherty: do it up. with
Keck: Sounded like a real fucking dumbass only realize, see, I don't watch these streaming free shows. So like, I just assume that like, oh, wow, you know, it's not bad. It's only like a fucking two 30 second slots per episode.
Keck: And then, of course, they crank it up to the point where it's unbearable. And it's just constant advertising.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, I'm a total dumbass. But I cannot think of who that character is. And I know the series really well. But I can't. I probably haven't seen it in maybe, i'll know, that season.
Keck: yeah probably it's been like 10 years. So yeah, I can't remember a character in one season that I saw 10 years ago, but that's cool.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I mean, she is only, I think she's turning 50 this year. i mean, she doesn't look like it. I would have thought she was like 40.
Keck: who worried Who is that?
Kevin Dougherty: the The actress, put that's that they're Linda Cardellini, who's being picked to play Mrs.
Keck: Oh, okay.
Kevin Dougherty: Voorhees, and like I saw her picture, I was like, man, she's way too attractive to play Mrs. Voorhees. Like, I ain't running from her.
Keck: Well, yeah, but with it what if it's good where it's like ah ah Jason's like younger, hotter mom?
Kevin Dougherty: She's going have to kill me.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it's like it's like fucking what they did with ah Aunt May in the recent Spider-Man series.
Keck: Like,
Keck: Well, I mean, i can't remember, um the who who's the actress that played um Jason's mother originally in 1980?
Kevin Dougherty: That's Betsy Palmer.
Keck: Yeah, i'm a well, I mean, God, at well when she was a girl, she was gorgeous as well. All hell. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: but not i mean, she was a little bit older in... by the time she played Mrs. Voorhees.
Keck: Yeah, I'm saying when she was when she was a girl, I'm saying.
Kevin Dougherty: looking at
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: But yeah, ah no, she went when she played Mrs. – well, she was still a good-looking woman. But I mean, I'm just saying, yeah, I know what you mean.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. She definitely had that mom haircut, so you got to give her the mom haircut.
Keck: I know – yeah, well, and I know what you mean, yeah. Exactly. She's been in – I mean, because of the selection of things that she's been in –
Keck: Nowadays, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I mean, she does seem a bit young to be playing Jason's mom and little, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. it's like it's like It's like Marissa Tomei playing Aunt May. and the and the and the more but like She was way too hot to be playing fucking Peter's Aunt.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah. I'm just saying Jason's mom can be hot. That's fine. But like, she also needs to be terrifying and that can happen as well.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Keck: um You know, so.
Kevin Dougherty: But that's that's the news. So they are casting. So that means... i mean I think the last report I had was that like at least the first season was written, and I think they were working on the other seasons.
Kevin Dougherty: I don't remember how long ago that was, but...
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: HBO had six seasons of Carnival written, and they only published two.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Um, and, uh, I still do not believe that, uh, Crystal Lake is ever going to come out.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, they're casting now, so...
Keck: Uh, yeah That's great.
Kevin Dougherty: Love it out.
Keck: And i mean, I'm sure they need to do all different types of things to appear legally compliant like they did the last time.
Kevin Dougherty: I'm still over here for this. steve
Kevin Dougherty: but
Keck: It was literally like the show was not even being produced. They just had a bunch of functions on the payroll so that they basically looked like legally compliant. Like, Hey, we are filming a show when we're really not doing anything except funneling money.
Keck: it was so fucking I'm just saying like, i don't know how you come back from that. I do not think this shit's ever coming out.
Kevin Dougherty: come out.
Keck: Prove wrong.
Kevin Dougherty: This year! This year!
Keck: Prove me wrong.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah!
Keck: No, it ain't coming out this year.
Kevin Dougherty: So
Keck: the fuck of here. You just said they're casting.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah that means they can still shoot.
Keck: We're casting. Yeah. Are we coming out this year? Yeah, I don't think so.
Kevin Dougherty: Listen. Listen.
Keck: Fucking, they're casting. They're casting.
Kevin Dougherty: is
Keck: it
Kevin Dougherty: They can still shoot in March for it to come out by October.
Keck: Oh, God. Dude, don't know, man. Whatever. don't think they should. It's never coming out. Anyway.
Kevin Dougherty: Anyway, moving on. ah Let's talk about Dexter.
Keck: a
Kevin Dougherty: Origins. Specifically, Dexter Origins. um So if you haven't seen Dexter at all, I don't recommend starting with Origins. or ah Sorry, not Origins. It's called Original Sin. Sorry.
Keck: Yeah, I don't recommend that either.
Kevin Dougherty: ah Because there's massive spoilers in this in the first season that yeah that pays off if you are watching Dexter for the first time fresh.
Keck: The only way i would say to do it that way would be is if you plan to stop watching Dexter.
Keck: at the end of season six, I believe there's seven Dexter seasons. I could be wrong. Maybe there's eight, but unless you were planning on just not continuing, like with like the final season of Dexter, or maybe, um, only continuing to a point where like, uh, you were only going to watch like the first half or something like that of the final season.
Keck: That's the only time I would ah say maybe start with origins, but otherwise I suggest you go in the direction in which they were produced.
Keck: Is that your recommendation as well?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah. I think the only other way, i mean, I would say if you've watched at least the first season, you could go, you can now watch original sin, but I, unless you've seen, i mean, the best way do it would be to watch it all the way through and then go back and watch origins. But ah you could get, ah I think you can get away with watching season one and then watching origins.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: i'm a gun I'm sorry, I'm going to keep calling it Origins, but it's not. It's original sin. But there's eight seasons plus New Blood, so there's nine.
Keck: Yeah. there
Keck: so ah So, okay, but the original show, there were seven seasons.
Kevin Dougherty: No, there's eight seasons.
Keck: Oh, there were eight seasons of the original show. Okay, gotcha.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: So, yeah, I mean, um considering that Dexter has, i mean, and we've said a million times here, because it's true. I mean, Dexter, ah the original show, has the worst ending um in his, at least voted-wise. It has among the worst endings.
Keck: endings in history of a show of any category, any genre. So there are certain people, and I disagree with these people, ah I don't think you need to avoid that final season, because i don't think that final season was that terrible.
Keck: It was just the final episode that was really...
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I'd agree with that.
Keck: I mean, you could make an argument that maybe the episodes going up to that were getting progressively worse.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: And, I mean, they're just such... ah ah Anyway...
Kevin Dougherty: Well, I think the first season is ah is great, but I think the fourth season is the best.
Keck: ah
Kevin Dougherty: And you, I mean, yeah, you could stop after that because you're not, like, it doesn't capture... it doesn't cat like The rest of the series just isn't as good as the the fourth but fourth season.
Kevin Dougherty: But i mean it's I think it's still all worth watching. like Somebody recently was like, when should I stop watching Dexter? And I was just like, when you've run out of episodes. Yeah,
Keck: Oh, yeah, no, on dude, I was only talking about the final episode season.
Kevin Dougherty: I know. I'm just talking about Dexter in Yeah. like
Keck: Yeah. Well, the other than that, I mean, um the second season is a season that's, for me, I thought was the worst season.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: And on paper, a lot of people think that it's one of the best seasons. but um Or I could be wrong. It's the one with Jimmy Smith on paper.
Kevin Dougherty: Jimmy's- oh yeah, that one. I don't remember if that was the second or third.
Keck: Yeah, on paper, it's either season two or three, but like it almost made me want to like just stop watching the show like right afterwards.
Kevin Dougherty: But he calls the skinner. Yeah.
Keck: like I mean, the i I'm pretty sure it's season three because it's the one with this Skinner. And there's at one point, I remember we were watching it with Miner.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: And ah I came over one day and you guys, and I'm like, oh, any other season. You're like, well, we're watching it. north And I told Jamie, I said, you know, Dexter, i was like, you know, in this season, Jimmy Smith's character picks up the phone and calls the Skinner. And Jamie started laughing and said, hasn't called the Skinner. And I'm like, doc, does he? or does And you're like, he does call the Skinner.
Keck: He picks up the phone. He's like, hello, hello Skinner? yeah Like, hey, this is actor Jimmy Smith. Like, I need to get you against Dexter. Like, but blah, blah, blah. Like, it was so fucking awful.
Keck: Like, I cannot believe that that's, like, one of the best rated ones. But at any rate, yeah, I agree.
Kevin Dougherty: Season 3. green Yeah, season 3.
Keck: Yeah. The Skinner. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: and The fourth season with John Lithgow was just so phenomenal.
Keck: oh Oh, yeah. It it was fantastic.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: he He starts off by killing the um girl from the – she was like a famous work-at-home pajama girl.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: like She had been on all those televisions. So they got everybody in that season. Yeah, that was fucking amazing.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, I agree. You go with Dexter until you run out of episodes. It's just the original season. um But this is going to prepare you for it.
Keck: You know what I mean?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Keck: You're going to know that after you see the horror that everybody has like predicted, you know that you now have two good seasons of material after that.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, new New Blood was pretty good, and I think this, I think Original Sin is is even better.
Keck: I thought New Blood was great. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, but yeah.
Keck: i yeah I thought New Blood was great.
Kevin Dougherty: ah I thought it was a good return, especially after the last the last couple seasons, but I think our Original Sin was even better than New Blood. And the thing is, when you're watching...
Keck: Kristen Slater was a little overpowering. Not that he was trying to be. His acting, I thought, was just of a higher caliber than the...
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah, yeah, I agree.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: But first of all, I just wanted to talk about, like, ah just some of the, like, Dorne, when you watch the See It, the original series, they do do, like, some flashbacks to, like, a younger Dexter, and, like, so some of the things in the show, you they do cover again, and they might change something some small things.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: But one of the funniest things that that is always, like, i still a meme to this day is when they show young Dexter and to, like, young up Michael C. Hall they just gave him that terrible wig so I thought the first episode it was funny when they gave him that that same terrible this younger actor ah Patrick Gibson who plays a younger Dexter yeah yeah which he gets his mannerisms down really well and I think he really does a great job of playing a young Dexter Michael C.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Hall but like giving him that hair first in that first episode was just fucking hilarious and and a great touch
Keck: roll Well, before you get into the ah actual season, um I guess we should say we talked about this before when we first heard that there was going to be an It's original sin, not origins.
Keck: Okay.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: um Original sin.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: um We talked about like the scenarios and i think that both of us held true that the most likely scenario would be that he survived what happened at the end of new blood.
Keck: um
Kevin Dougherty: Well, remember, uh, when I first got that inside scoop that, uh, well, remember I delivered to the showtime and I got the, uh,
Keck: i think we both kind of, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And the guy told me that
Keck: Oh, yeah. So you knew that Michael, yeah, but you knew he would be just not to what caliber it was going to be.
Kevin Dougherty: Michael C. Hall was coming back. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: ah Yeah, and originally we originally we had speculated it was going to be sequel because they were talking about like...
Keck: He breaks out of the hospital Jason style.
Kevin Dougherty: well We were talking about like, yeah, he be he's like back in his head and everything. And then like, when we found out about this, we were like, oh, so I, and Mike, and then they were like announced that Michael C.
Kevin Dougherty: Hall is returning as, no, yeah, no, they said that he was going to be there in the inner voice of the younger self.
Keck: Could he be a ghost? Yeah.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And we were like, okay, like now and this makes sense. And then they announced like right after they announced original sin that they were doing a a sequel as well, Dexter resurrection. So, and we were like, okay, like, and then we were speculating, okay, how is he surviving?
Kevin Dougherty: They open up the series with him being driven to the hospital.
Keck: let's just say How can we make money?
Kevin Dougherty: and
Keck: Like, we fucked this up.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Like, there's a mad desire for Dexter. We don't care. Like, we just want to make money.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, Michael C.
Keck: And we're going to start milking shit.
Kevin Dougherty: Hall seems to not be as big in anything else, so let's let's fucking use him, right?
Keck: Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Yep.
Kevin Dougherty: how How can we keep doing it? Because everybody loves Dexter. um Yeah, so like I thought the cast, everybody that plays like a younger version of themselves, I thought was really done.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: but Baptista and and all those guys. and Yeah, but then you go you throw in Christian Slater young Harry Morgan. And then I think the other off-putting one was Sarah Michelle Gellar as like the lead CSI person or whatever, crime scene.
Keck: I hadn't seen her in years. I mean, I don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, so yeah, that's what
Keck: I don't, she, I know, i don't know if she's been working all this time. And, um but if she has been, it's nothing that I've been privy to.
Kevin Dougherty: sure she has, but nothing Yeah Yeah, exactly
Keck: You know what I mean? Like, but, and, and, and there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, ah there's a lot of people I'm like, Oh my God, that person's still in showbiz. And like, you know, somebody will tell me like, Oh yeah, they've been blah, blah, blah. Like look at their credits. And I'm like,
Keck: Oh, all right, all right, oh, all right. Well, yeah, that's all stuff that, like, I don't pay attention to.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, exactly.
Keck: So, like, you know, that...
Kevin Dougherty: They were supposed to do a ah Buffy ah reboot TV series. And supposedly Sarah Michelle Gellar is coming back.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: I never saw a single episode of her as Buffy, so I don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: but
Kevin Dougherty: I saw the original movie and then watched some episodes with her and I'm like, man, this ain't the original movie.
Keck: Oh, she wasn't in the original movie.
Kevin Dougherty: No.
Keck: That was Christy Swanson, right?
Kevin Dougherty: no Yeah.
Keck: yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah and and And Paul Rubens with the greatest death scene ever.
Keck: and Well, Donald Sutherland was with Rucker Power.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah. I was just talking about Paul Vergram's death scene where he's like, oh, ah, o
Keck: yeah
Keck: Oh, yeah. Yeah. i
Kevin Dougherty: Then he gets back up and then he keeps going. He extends that death scene.
Keck: Film actually had its moments for, know, that time.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: um But at any rate.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: um ah So, yeah, yeah, that was off-putting for me, too, because I just hadn't seen her in so long. I didn't even, you know, but, like, soon as I saw her, I was like, wow, that is Sarah Michelle Gellar.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: So, you know, that... um
Kevin Dougherty: And then...
Keck: I like the the guy that they got to play. the um I mean, it's crazy. I don't know if you um write a Vincent Matsuka character today um with ah the way our social norms are.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah, yeah. with Where he's just sexually harassing his coworkers all the time, pretty much.
Keck: He's genuinely, ah i mean, in any workplace, he would be immediately terminated by the company to avoid a large civil lawsuit.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: he he would definitely no He would have immediately been sent to HR for a talk.
Keck: Yeah, well, I mean, i I don't know what he would have been.
Kevin Dougherty: other
Keck: I mean, because he's so fucked up.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: But, like, the thing is, is, like, they can definitely retroactively create him, or he could be even, like, more ridiculous if they wanted to.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: We also have to remember this is the fucking police. Like, they're they're not exactly a business.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: So I'm sure, like, you know, police cops and shit like that, they probably fucking act like that shit all the time anyway.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: yeah yeah
Kevin Dougherty: So even today.
Keck: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: So it's not anything special.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying i don't think that the like initial Vincent Masuka character, if it was on a script in 2025, the same that was in, I think it was 2006, 2007, Dexter came out.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Keck: I don't think that like there's anybody where they would be like, yeah, no, that character is...
Keck: Yeah, that's not going to fly. Thank you. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: thank thank you
Kevin Dougherty: yeah I mean, I have been listening to the original ah the original book that the series is based on, and it's pretty much the same. like All the characters are pretty much written that way.
Keck: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: you know and So they adapted that pretty well.
Kevin Dougherty: And ah yeah yeah, everybody, like ah Young Masuka was good. Fucking, what you call it, ah
Keck: I didn't realize Patrick Dempsey was Patrick Dempsey for a little while, to be honest with you.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Keck: Uh, I hadn't, I hadn't really seen him in a while.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: And, um, I got, uh, keyed onto it when, um, I saw him on, uh, one of the late night, uh, talk shows and i was like, Oh shit, you were in that, huh?
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: Yep. And so, uh, yeah. Um, other than that, I mean,
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, we can talk spoilers.
Keck: I did.
Kevin Dougherty: Do you want to talk spoilers?
Keck: What's that?
Kevin Dougherty: Lessa, do you want talk spoilers?
Keck: I didn't think that there was such a thing.
Kevin Dougherty: ah Well, I mean, you we find out that Patrick Dempsey you know was like the big overall villain of the show, and he's playing like the captain of the police station.
Keck: Oh, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: and so that was the And he like kidnaps his own kid at one point. and fucking cut up that That was the only thing I didn't like about the show, was that he was like...
Keck: what does that that That the central villain is...
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I thought that that was ridiculous.
Kevin Dougherty: I feel like leading up to that point, to that reveal where it was him, I thought was great. And when they revealed it was him, I was kind of like, man, like, like, what the fuck?
Kevin Dougherty: They couldn't get somebody else. Like, I did like the other stuff all with his brother.
Keck: Unless they did the reveal until the last episode.
Kevin Dougherty: think it was like the episode before when we get the reveal.
Keck: i think it was like I think it was like, yeah, like episode maybe, what, there were 10 episodes?
Kevin Dougherty: I thought there was only, thought there was only eight.
Keck: Or 8?
Keck: Well, whatever.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh no, there was 10. Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. That
Keck: I think in episode at the end of 6 or 7, you get the reveal with the blood cut. So that gave you like a few episodes to stew over the fact that this was really...
Kevin Dougherty: was the only storyline I didn't like.
Keck: not well done. That was not, that was not the way to go.
Kevin Dougherty: mean... that was the only storyline i didn't like i mean
Keck: And it was the big storyline. It was the final storyline, the storyline that like, yeah, solidifies Dexter's personality with his father.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah. Especially... Especially... and especially
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, well but especially like the, not just the reveal that it was him, but like, oh, he did it because he was like jealous of his like, ah you know, ex dating somebody else.
Keck: Uh-huh. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Like that was his whole fucking reason. Like what it had nothing to do with like trying to like, you know, blame shit on the cartel or like get them like arrested or something like that.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: It was just like, oh, I'm jealous of this. So i have I'm going to not only take it out on my like, you know, I'm going
Keck: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: I'm gonna take it out on my fucking kid, like, it had no fucking nothing to do with it, you know what mean? Like, he was like, don't wanna hurt
Keck: who ah apparently it may or may not, he believed that it wasn't actually his kid, that his wife lied. i don't know if they ever actually proved that.
Keck: Like, um, it has been strongly insinuated that like, it wasn't really his kid, that his wife.
Kevin Dougherty: you. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, but, you I mean, still, he, like, raised him until, like,
Keck: Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I think it's absolutely totally ridiculous. But the thing is, is I was talking to somebody else about this and I've known guys that are just the most bitter motherfuckers.
Keck: And when it comes, they're different the way they are with their friends ah than they are with women. And for them, they're certain people. And i mean, women make me happy.
Keck: Like, I love them. ah You know, not only are they my sexual partners, but women have also been amongst my best friends in life.
Keck: So, I mean, for me, like women, like ah I'm generally more comfortable around women than I am lot of like my own like fellow males.
Keck: But for certain guys, I don't know what it is, but like they're Men. You know what I mean? like ah Do I really need to explain?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. No, no, no.
Keck: like a woman a
Kevin Dougherty: But it's not it's not that I don't... yeah
Keck: a woman will ignite a war. And they literally have.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Single women have ignited continental wars.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it's just that that it's like he was the captain of the the fucking police.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: state And not like there weren't plenty of bad cops that beat their fucking wives or anything like that.
Keck: ah Yes.
Kevin Dougherty: There's plenty of that.
Keck: Yes.
Kevin Dougherty: It's just that like in this, in the overall Dexter, if you watch this enough, there's so it's like who gets infiltrated more with bad guys, fucking Miami police or fucking the CTU from 24.
Keck: Oh, yeah. It's just constant. Constant. Yeah. Constant infiltrations.
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, ah just the fact that, like, Dexter's a fucking, you know, blood splatter analyst and fucking, you know, is a murdering himself.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: There's already other people in that same department that, like, are get their own fucking shit going at one point.
Keck: Yeah. yeah And before I forget about this, there was a recent write-up about this um that um they believe that the television show Dexter has been responsible for ah dozens of people that have been incarcerated for capital crimes, including murder of their own children.
Keck: because of ah blood spatter work, which they're now trying to get thrown out of law in just about every state in the country.
Keck: They do not think blood spatter analyst, analysts or analystics, or whatever it's called, should even be a science. It's like, um per yes, it is apparently so convoluted, it apparently...
Kevin Dougherty: yeah but while
Kevin Dougherty: I thought you were going to say that like, yeah, I thought you were going to say something completely different.
Keck: So inaccurate. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I thought you were going to say because of Dexter, there's been mad serial killers.
Keck: No, no, no, no, no.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Because of Dexter, because of shows like that. um
Kevin Dougherty: ye
Keck: for um For example, if I'm going to quote a case um that there was actually, I think there was a series based on it called The Staircase.
Kevin Dougherty: Thank you.
Keck: um About a guy, it's about a real case, they still don't know exactly what happened, um but like there was an FBI agent who acted as a blood spatter analyst in the case, and he ended up getting the guy ah out of prison because it came back that he was just like totally full of fucking shit.
Keck: um Look into it, The Staircase, if you're interested.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I believe there was a movie made, there was a book written, and I'm almost certain that, I don't know what network or what streaming service it's on, I'm pretty sure that there is a ah whole first season with...
Keck: um With ah noteworthy actors as well. So, um you know, but anyway, getting a little bit sidebarred there. But yeah, the whole thing is, is that they were saying that because of like shows like that of depicting inaccurate forensics.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: um That has led to, well, I mean, shit, man. We have a fucking celebrity apprentice goddamn president. Doc, just go.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I'm sorry. I'm done.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: and Take us home.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Take us home, baby. Come on, Doc.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: I need a closer.
Kevin Dougherty: Well, I guess, I mean, overall, I did really like this ah season, and I liked all the actors, and, and like, it definitely, like, Michael C. Hall as the inner voice was perfect to bring him back.
Kevin Dougherty: And, uh...
Keck: who Who was the actor that – and, oh, God, but I hope i don't get shit for this. He kind reminded me of Sidney Poitier.
Kevin Dougherty: um
Keck: ah black The black god detective that gets shot in the neck ah that the from that Dexter, like that... pra What's his name? i all know the guy. he I thought he was great. it was the first time I saw him.
Keck: He was one of my um my ah favorite ah my favorite actors in the whole thing, and the whole detective.
Kevin Dougherty: Was it Bobby Watt?
Keck: What's that?
Kevin Dougherty: Was his name Bobby Watt? Detective Bobby Watt?
Keck: I'm not sure. He gets wounded. the...
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, ah Reno Wilson is his name.
Keck: Yeah, he was he he was good.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Oh, yeah, like a young, young 40.
Keck: and
Kevin Dougherty: I'm thinking of old 40.
Keck: Yeah, no, I'm thinking like, well, ah you Sidney Poitier, he had knight. You know, I think of him as like that. And, ah you know, he played that big badass cop and whatchamacall. And um I thought he was great in this and I was worried that they were going to kill his character off.
Keck: I was like, Jesus, God damn, you're going to kill off the black guy like right away? Like the only like, but you know, I'm
Kevin Dougherty: I
Keck: like Obviously, at that time, in even in a progressive city like Miami, like you know you're going to have a lesser ah display of minority officers on the force given that what was this this was the 1980s, right?
Keck: and That this was supposed to be?
Kevin Dougherty: think it was the 80s or 90s, because I forget when the original series was.
Keck: was it i can't I can't remember. yeah I'm not sure.
Kevin Dougherty: I want to say...
Keck: I think I will say the cars. No, those were late 70s, early 80s cars.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yeah, because I remember even in the Dexter series, I don't remember them using...
Keck: and
Keck: Those were 90s cars. Well,
Kevin Dougherty: Did they use cell phones? I think there was just page they had pagers. I know that. don't remember if they were using cell phones.
Keck: I mean, I'll tell you.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah least At least in the book, they don't, because that's because when the book takes place, it's just pagers and regular...
Keck: i mean i'll tell you
Keck: I was living in Miami in 2007, which is, I think, and I had a cell phone. and
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I just can't remember if the series did just because I'm listening to the book and they're not using it.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: And I'm like, now I'm trying to think back. They definitely don't in the original Sin because cell phones weren't around.
Keck: Yeah. Yep.
Kevin Dougherty: but Yeah, I can't remember if it was 80s or 90s.
Keck: Yep.
Kevin Dougherty: But yeah, they do.
Keck: Yeah, except for car cell phones. They had the car cell phone there.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: And they, you know, they even had to make reference to that a few times.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Like, people would be dumb enough to not realize that, like, they didn't have, well, I guess.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah I did like the stuff in ah Original Sim with his brother, ah but i'll also didn't because I'm like, man, if you're just starting out, like this kind of spoils season one.
Keck: I thought the exact same.
Kevin Dougherty: but like But at the same time, i still like I was like, well, since I've already seen everything, i was like, it's kind of cool that he's kind of been there, kind of already watching Dexter and like you know taking out things so people can't you know link the two together.
Kevin Dougherty: I thought that was kind of cool, but like I was like, this is way too early for them to to be meeting right now, because like I still want another um another season of virgin Original Sin.
Keck: ah right Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: ah like I mean, you could end it here, and you could just pick up with the first season right after, because i mean it does kind of work that ah work pretty well that way, even though there's definitely a time difference between when he's... free Because this is like his first year on the Force, and as so compared to when the original Dexter shows up.
Kevin Dougherty: So it's like, you're already introducing ah this person, and then for 20 years or whatever it is, or it's probably like 10 years ah between that.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I don't know how how old he's supposed to be.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: But ah yeah, it's like...
Keck: it's It's at least 15 years. it's i mean, because he was a little kid. like he wasn't like He was barely speaking in complete sentences.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: No, I'm talking about when the when he's on The Force. That's his first season.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: ah yeah That's his first year on The Force. I'm talking about when the original season came out, how many years on The Force he was already on.
Keck: Oh, how many years? oh on the force.
Kevin Dougherty: So how many years in between that Yeah.
Keck: I don't think you have the Brian character in this original.
Kevin Dougherty: but
Keck: I don't think he should his character should even be in it.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: well
Kevin Dougherty: no
Keck: Obviously showing like them when they were little kids, yeah, sure.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, that's fine.
Keck: But I don't think that the older Brian, I don't think his character should have even been in it.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: No, no.
Keck: That's my opinion.
Kevin Dougherty: He should have just been left a message, a mystery.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: But yeah, I still thought it cool.
Keck: If he's ever in it at all, even if there were two, maybe even three seasons, I don't know that you need to, I mean, maybe at the end of like the third season, like, you know what mean?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: Like, let's say there's three seasons of Dexter, like maybe at the end of the third season, maybe in like, uh, you know, the last few episodes, like, Ooh, cool cliffhanger.
Keck: That's how we end it. Like that would,
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, could have just like hinted at it throughout the show with him like, you know, being like locked up or whatever, like in the mental hospital or whatever.
Keck: Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: You could have like hinted about But yeah, I mean, I still thought it was cool. Like him like analyzing and him trying to like, oh, there's like somebody like new, like just like it's his first, it's his brother's like first time going through his shit.
Keck: It makes Harry look really bad, though.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah, it does.
Keck: Because it makes Harry look like, dude, like, all right you're raising a serial killer that you know is serial killer.
Kevin Dougherty: Wait, go even before that, because, like, I didn't know that like, he let his first kid drown in the pool.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: You let his first kid drown. um but yeah You apparently fucking multiple CIs.
Kevin Dougherty: And then he adopted, like... No,
Keck: And the last one that you were fucking
Kevin Dougherty: he was just fucking the one CI. He was cheating on his wife with the one. And that's
Keck: in Dexter, in like the normal show, they talk about how he had fucked other CIs.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, they they mentioned other ones?
Keck: yeah but Yeah, if you go back and watch like that.
Kevin Dougherty: don't remember, yeah. Yeah.
Keck: I watched, them I'm actually, well, I'm re-watching it again, but I had re-watched it maybe like six months ago.
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, okay.
Keck: I had re-watched, i i had nothing to watch for a while, and it was like that show you would put on to go to sleep to and then end up watching all night.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Keck: And, yeah, um it was when um ah Jennifer Gardner, when Deb was trying to track down um things about, like, her father's XCIs, she meets a woman that ah was sleeping with her father while she was still alive.
Kevin Dougherty: That's right, yeah.
Keck: married to her mother. And she's like, oh yeah, Harry ah fucked all the good looking ones. Like, so it was, it's insinuated that he had two plus affairs with informants, if you go by that.
Kevin Dougherty: did Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: With Deborah, yeah, yeah
Keck: So, you know, and this was like when his like wife was like home and pregnant, like ah he's married
Kevin Dougherty: yeah. with with debra yeah yeah
Keck: Yeah, and well, I mean, yeah I mean, he's pregnant. ah He has gotten one killed. ah Fucking
Kevin Dougherty: I think if she didn't get pregnant...
Keck: abandoned son, one
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. If she didn't get pregnant with Debra, I think he was going to leave her for the CI with Dexter and Brian and be there.
Keck: yeah and Which would not really have made him a better person at all.
Kevin Dougherty: No, no.
Keck: but
Kevin Dougherty: No, no. Like, maybe if he had done that, she may might not have gotten, like, you know, can although he I think she probably would have gotten kidnapped. He probably would have gotten killed as well, but, like,
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, I did like how it showed like what led up to like ah how Dexter ended up in that container. ah Yeah, yeah.
Keck: But like now he realizes that he's got right now, currently, he knows that Dexter's brother is out there.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: a come completely deranged psychopathic killer that he has no intention of doing anything about who he knows is going to go on a psychopathic killing for him.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, he's really just trying to keep that information from Dexter. He's not worried about trying to stop him from killing.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: He just doesn't want Dexter to find out his but about his brother.
Keck: LaGuerreta. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah it does make sense.
Keck: LaGuerta, the actress that plays LaGuerta is phenomenal.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: And she, I've never seen her. She's beautiful as all can be. And, but like, yeah. So he, and yeah, he's actively keeping that fact.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: Look at that. true boy and Dude, he chainsawed her. It's not like he just like killed, like, you know what? He went crazy and he shot a few people or even strangled. He chainsawed that scarred faced woman alive.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah, like, it wasn't just his mom that they killed in front of them, it was like a whole other family, like, first, and then her in front of them before they got found.
Keck: He chainsawed alive. Yeah.
Keck: yeah
Keck: yeah ah family And then just like some randos.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like, it was not, yeah, yeah, you're not getting that right.
Keck: But Harry knew he murdered that woman with a chainsaw alive and knows he's going to go out and probably chainsaw more people alive.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: And he's going to do nothing about it. knowing he is fully complicit in all of it.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: ah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, he's...
Keck: So, I mean, god damn he's kind of a bad detective.
Keck: her Bad lieutenant. He becomes a lieutenant.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah he's it's
Keck: He's a bad lieutenant.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, he's just leaving one fucking killer out there and he's raising another one to kill all the killers.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: So, like, Miami Metro's, like, closed case files, like, are just, like, they probably closed, like, not that many cases, like, when it comes to murders and serial murders, because Dexter gets rid of them all.
Kevin Dougherty: So they just have all these open cases of, like, missing people and, like, and or bots.
Keck: think yeah
Keck: Based on Harry's decisions.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: Based on Harry's decisions.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah In the book, it's a little different because, like, it's...
Keck: i
Kevin Dougherty: um I don't know if you mentioned the show, but in the in the book, they ah Dexter talks about, like, how sometimes he purposely will help them solve a case here and there, and or, like, and hopefully...
Kevin Dougherty: Because, like... They'll talk about like how ah d Dexter like ah he doesn't want to give out too many good leads to people as well because then everyone will be like, all right, something's up with you if you know all of this fucking shit.
Keck: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. So like he'll try to give bad information once in a while just to kind of just stay level, but then he'll also help ah so solve cases as well.
Keck: um
Kevin Dougherty: So he doesn't like, you know, he just kind of mentions it in the in the book. like So that way he tried like so he came't he was like, I can't let ah can't kill all the fucking serial killers because then the the then they'll be on to me or something like that.
Keck: Oh, yeah. in the Ying and yang.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: You know what mean?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah.
Keck: You need to give and get.
Kevin Dougherty: It's all about just keeping under the radar nothing special about you. like You don't want to lay eyes on you.
Keck: Exactly.
Kevin Dougherty: Except Dokes is like on him immediately. Dokes is the only one that sees through
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, i didnt know I don't know who Dokes is going to turn out to be. Who they going get to play the young Dokes? That's going be real buck wild.
Kevin Dougherty: ah young yeah
Keck: You know, you know i'm trying i'm trying I'm trying to think of like who would be a good actor to do that. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I don't know. The first name that came to mind was Bo King Woodbine, but he's not young. yeah.
Keck: Yeah, he is not, no, and he's not buck wild enough. like
Kevin Dougherty: yeah yeah
Keck: Like, ah you know who you need is you need the pimp from True Romance. You need Gary Oldman's character from True Romance. ah
Keck: And Gary Oldman got that character from a guy he met that he said scared the shit out of him on the set of Romeo is Bleeding, which was like, I guess the movie he did before True Romance.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: And like, he like pitched it. He was like, yo, I think that like, this will give the writer Tarantino's character, like, you know what I mean? So like, yeah, he had to do that.
Keck: That too, because like, Doak said that, he was in all kinds of like crazy, like, ah special forces shit, so you're gonna have to have somebody that's like real and jet, he's gonna have to be buff as fuck, so he can't be Terry Oldman, obviously.
Kevin Dougherty: he's and we on Yeah, and real intense.
Keck: But you're... Yeah, somebody real intense.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah, I wonder – yeah, that would be something – I'd wonder who people think is going to get hired for that role, given that they – I guess we should wrap up and conclude.
Keck: Is there a second season definite for or it's still –
Kevin Dougherty: ah I don't think anything's been announced yet. um But yeah, I don't think anything's been announced yet. But the I can give you some casting news on Dexter Resurrection that's supposed to air...
Keck: What about reception of, I haven't checked like IMDB or anything.
Kevin Dougherty: out 10?
Keck: ah so it's been well received.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, yeah. I haven't read any reviews, but that that's just what the IMDb is.
Keck: Yeah, but that's, that's, that's good reception. So it's been well received. So yeah, I mean, obviously ah you have the viewership there.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: um
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: Assuming um the viewership, this is ah available on what service?
Kevin Dougherty: so Showtime.
Keck: And Showtime um
Kevin Dougherty: Part of Paramount?
Keck: is par Paramount and Paramount is Paramount.
Kevin Dougherty: You have to get the add-on or you can get it separate.
Keck: Okay. and But so...
Kevin Dougherty: i Getting the add-on is just cheaper than just getting Showtime by itself.
Keck: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: It's like the cost of Peacock and Showtime is, I think, about the same price as just Showtime.
Keck: Gotcha, gotcha.
Kevin Dougherty: but ah For Dexter Resurrection,
Keck: I don't know.
Kevin Dougherty: ah the ah the cast, so which is going to pick up with Michael C. Hall returning as Dexter, pick up after ah New Blood. ah Peter Diglitch has been cast.
Keck: Oh, dude, my man.
Kevin Dougherty: Uma Thurman also been cast. And ah Kristen Ritter ah is coming in as well. i You might know her from ah Breaking Bad.
Keck: i know who she is.
Kevin Dougherty: at Yeah, Jessie's a girl who OD'd. And Jessica Jones.
Keck: Yeah, I know she
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: she
Kevin Dougherty: OK.
Keck: is
Kevin Dougherty: OK. And then you also got James Remar returning as Harry Morgan. So I guess he'll be a ghosto Ghost Harry again.
Kevin Dougherty: And it looks like, uh, Jack Alcott who plays, uh, his son Harrison, uh, is coming back as well. So that, that'd be interesting.
Kevin Dougherty: Uh,
Keck: And this takes place right after, so he recovers from the gunshot to the heart at point blank range with a.308 caliber rifle.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, well, we don't know how long after, because like in Dexter's Original Sin, you see him being driven to the hospital and he's in the hospital like in a coma.
Keck: Okay. Yeah.
Keck: Yeah. He was shot point blank in the heart. he He pointed out exactly where he was to even be shot.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: It was a.308 hunting rifle, and he was not given like any like special treatment.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: He was just thrown the back of the car. He looked like he had actually been laying on the ground for like a while, too. Because she had to, like, ah she had to, like, say, like, all right, you know, I'm going let Harrison go free.
Keck: And she takes a few minutes, too, looking at his body at the very end. I went back and watched.
Kevin Dougherty: Hey, it was cold. So maybe that helped, uh,
Keck: and well Oh, so you think it was like something like from The Abyss? Like you think it was like what happened to Mary Elizabeth when she was like, yeah, like Ed Harris, like, you know, when he's like dumping on her chest?
Keck: Yeah, I see it, Doc.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, well, I mean, we don't know how long he's in the coma for, so I don't know when Resurrection's supposed to pick up at.
Keck: I it.
Keck: um know I know. I'm just being an asshole.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Yeah.
Keck: I'm just trying to be a dick.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: You know what it's it's going to be ridiculous It's going to be ridiculous either way.
Kevin Dougherty: I completely get you that, like, he survived, but it's like, yeah.
Keck: I mean, it's very ridiculous story.
Kevin Dougherty: Like, yeah. um but I'm glad he survived just so we can get more death there, because...
Keck: ah yeah no i want Yeah, I want him. um But yeah, I was curious as to whether or not they were going to do another season of Origins because you know that that would give another season of the Slater factor.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: and you know um But if Resurrection is right around the corner, I mean, i can't think that they would come out concurrently.
Keck: You know what I mean? So...
Kevin Dougherty: I mean, they are. So, we yeah, we got Dexter.
Keck: well they Well, we don't know if Origins is getting...
Kevin Dougherty: Oh, you mean another season. Yeah, I mean, but I could totally see them doing, ah you know, coming out with another season of Original Sin and then another Resurrection season two right after that as well.
Keck: the
Kevin Dougherty: They can just go back and forth.
Keck: Yeah, I mean, i guess it really just comes down to money and desire.
Kevin Dougherty: And yeah, and how um and have ratings, really.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: it's being well rated and people are watching it, then they'll renew it.
Keck: You know...
Kevin Dougherty: So that's what I can tell you.
Keck: It is not hands that open these walls, but desire.
Kevin Dougherty: but so
Keck: No?
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, Hellraiser.
Keck: Yeah. All right.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: Cool. Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I know what you're talking about.
Keck: Awesome. Well, and on that.
Kevin Dougherty: So anyway, what do you got? what You got any recommendations?............
Keck: I do, but like I have like a little bit more like to talk about it than like I would care to do right now. like I could feel myself like probably like going on and on.
Keck: So um I think I'm going to save it for next time. What about you? Do you have anything in the works or anything that like you just start watching that you'd recommend?
Kevin Dougherty: um
Kevin Dougherty: Well,
Kevin Dougherty: well I mean, I'm currently watching Yellow Jackets, ah but i didn just I did just see Osgood Perkins' The Monkey, which is a remake of Monkey Shines, based on the short story by Stephen King.
Keck: Yeah.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, i thought it was I thought it was pretty good. I mean, it was ah
Keck: but
Kevin Dougherty: it was
Keck: I got a pop-up of it today, actually, on the my IMDB thing. It just came up like monkey shot. joke It was a joke, but I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah, it was, yeah, it was, like, it's funny, because, like, they play it kind of straight, and but it's, like, the kills are real, like, goofy, and it's kind of, like, Final Destination, but, like, Final Destination has, like, a longer build-up ah to, like, the kills, where this is, like, kind of a short build-up, and then it's just, like, bam, in your face, and it's over, so it's, like, real quick and, like, and and and fucking hilarious, so I really enjoyed it.
Kevin Dougherty: People are, like, like, Oh, I was laughing inappropriate times. I was like, no, you weren't. Those were the the points that you were supposed to be laughing at. Don't worry. They purposely did that. like But like unlike his first movie, ah Long Legs, where kind of fell apart at the end, like I kind of enjoyed this ah all the way through.
Kevin Dougherty: And I thought it was kind of good. So yeah, I recommend that.
Keck: the definite Oh, shit.
Kevin Dougherty: We'll talk about it when it comes out on streaming.
Keck: um the the um The joke I had, it said, this monkey has a sick sense of humor.
Kevin Dougherty: Yeah.
Keck: I'm not like exactly sure what that is. I, i I'm just familiar with the original, like a monkey shines horror movie. I think it was from like the eighties or maybe early nineties.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: I can't read remember, but yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: George Romero directed it. I know that.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah Which I'll probably re-watch again and then re-watch The Monkey when it when it comes out on streaming so we can talk about both of them.
Keck: Yeah.
Kevin Dougherty: I think it'd be a good idea.
Keck: Yeah. I, I, I plan to do that as well.
Kevin Dougherty: Yep.
Keck: So.
Kevin Dougherty: um uh all right well that was our uh dexter talk uh thanks for joining me
Keck: Dexter and so much more. it should be Dexter Plus. can We covered Dexter seasons.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah we'll be
Keck: we even talked a little bit about Jimmy Smith and, you know, with the Skinner. And let me just add real quick. The death of the Skinner.
Keck: If you watch the death of any Dexter villain, any Dexter killer that Dexter's ever gone after, try to find... It's very hard to find. i found it on Dailymotion. The clip of the Skinner dying, who is like this ah El Salvadorian death squad guy. Yeah.
Keck: Find the killing of him. His actual death scene. How he falls and gets dragged under a police car.
Kevin Dougherty: And you hit by the car. Yeah. Yeah.
Keck: It is hysterical. I watched it and re-watched it and went on my VLC media player and put on A, B, repeat. I went over it, man. I was going like 20 minutes, dude. I was shitting myself.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: It is hysterical. The fact that they thought it He was capable of killing himself so ridiculously under a cop car.
Keck: You have to say it.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: So, you know, that would be my assignment to you. Go out and search for Dexter season three, the death of the Skinner.
Kevin Dougherty: Let's watch all of Dexter before June, and then we'll come back ah one yeah yeah once once we once Dexter Resurrection finishes, we'll be back.
Keck: But watch Death of the Skinner first before anything.
Kevin Dougherty: as So it'll probably be like July, we'll probably be talking about Dexter again. So, yeah.
Keck: Oh, yeah. Hell, yeah. More Dexter.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah
Keck: More Dexter. And, yeah. And other than that, um yeah. I mean, good night. And we're going to be in the not-too-distant future talking about Silo, too, which there's a lot to talk about there.
Kevin Dougherty: yeah and dune prophecy we'll be uh talking about about
Keck: So, yeah. Doom Prophecy, lot to talk about there. and um ah what well And then we got some epic recommends coming up as well.
Keck: So ah anyway, Doc, good to see you again, brother.
Kevin Dougherty: yes yeah thanks for joining me and uh follow us on social medias peace
Keck: You look well. And until next time.
