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Dexter Resurrected?
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New president of SAG and the return of Michael C Hall as Dexter
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Kevin Dougherty
all right welcome back to fright central i'm doc back here again as always with keck and tonight we're going to talk about well uh dexter resurrection uh first i have news uh before we get into the show and as always there will be spoilers for the show so i hope you've watched it um otherwise go watch it then come back but uh the only
00:00:42
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, we expect that if you're tuning into this cast, like, you've already seen it, or you're looking for perspective. So, uh, yeah. Spoiler drenched.
00:00:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yes. So the only news item I have is ah's just an industry news item, which the SAG-AFTRA election for president was recently announced.
00:01:04
Brandon
What?
00:01:07
Brandon
SAG?
00:01:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:01:09
Brandon
You have SAG news?
00:01:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yes.
00:01:12
Brandon
Please continue.
00:01:13
Kevin Dougherty
ah Sean Astin is the new president of SAG. You may know him.
00:01:18
Brandon
Who was the last president? Can you remind me?
00:01:21
Kevin Dougherty
Fran Drescher.
00:01:22
Brandon
Oh, yeah. Yep.
00:01:23
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah. it's
00:01:25
Brandon
So this is good news objectively for anyone with ears.
00:01:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, I mean, I don't know anything about what his like platform was for SAG, but like I like him as an actor, as a person, so...
00:01:40
Brandon
Yeah. I actually don't know who that is by name. Can you give me something that he's been in that I would recognize?
00:01:48
Kevin Dougherty
one Well, Frodo... on that Sorry, Samwise... from Lord of the Rings. Rudy. ah
00:01:57
Brandon
Oh, ru Rudy. Oh, Sean Astin.
00:01:59
Kevin Dougherty
Goonies. Mikey from Goonies, yeah.
00:02:02
Brandon
Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay.
00:02:04
Kevin Dougherty
Toy Soldier.
00:02:04
Brandon
Got you. I miss on, I miss on, you know, for some reason, my name, um when you said the name, for some reason, i was thinking Aston Kutcher in my head.
00:02:08
Kevin Dougherty
Encino Man.
00:02:15
Brandon
And I was just like, a lot its
00:02:15
Kevin Dougherty
but i thought you were going to say you were thinking of Stone Cold Steve Austin. Yeah.
00:02:22
Brandon
yeah, no, I, I know who we all know who Rudy is.
00:02:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. ah So yeah, he's he won the election for...
00:02:32
Brandon
Do you know who he was up against?
00:02:32
Kevin Dougherty
well
00:02:35
Brandon
Like, was he like strongly challenged for this? Because i don't know how coveted a role SAG is. I mean, if they let Fran Drescher be present, I just assume they let.
00:02:46
Brandon
Well, I mean, my theory was that they, and this has actually been kind of backed up, that they actually chose her because she was able to really annoy motherfuckers.
00:02:58
Brandon
Like, you don't want Fran Drescher trolling you. You don't want to hear her voice. Like, it's kind of brilliant in a way that they did that. You know what I mean? Like, it's like I would hire Roseanne Barr to be, like, you know, mine.
00:03:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yikes.
00:03:13
Brandon
Like, something like that. So, you know, it's kind of brilliant in that way. But, like, yeah, I mean... um I'm just curious, like, was he facing, like, any opposition?
00:03:19
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:03:23
Brandon
Like, is this a covenant position? Because, like, I i don't see it as being, like, something somebody would be like, yo, man, I'm an actor and i want to represent all actors.
00:03:39
Brandon
And i want to be the president of SAG. Like, I just don't see myself waking up as an actor and having that kind of ambition.
00:03:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I mean, if you see like things wrong with the industry that you think you can help fix by running for president of SAG, you would. But if that was not something in your, like, you were if you were one of those people, like, well, I'm getting paid enough, I don't need be paid.
00:04:05
Brandon
I just wouldn't want to do it. I would just want somebody else to do it.
00:04:08
Kevin Dougherty
Well, yeah, yeah. But obviously, ah some people ah do feel that need. But yeah, he won by 79.25% of the vote. point two five percent of the vote runner-up was Chuck flat Slavin.
00:04:21
Kevin Dougherty
I have no idea who that is.
00:04:22
Brandon
I have no idea who that is. All right. So it's not a covenant position. Got
00:04:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. ah Yeah. and That's all it really says was those two people were running. And it's a two-year term and he's got to start negotiations next year with a the Producers Guild who's in charge of like negotiating for the studios.
00:04:41
Kevin Dougherty
Because the three-year contract is almost up. So
00:04:45
Brandon
Yeah. but Well, I mean, i think that, like, well, I guess I don't really know. I'm not really up to events on the whole, like, Actors Guild scene right now, but, like,
00:04:58
Brandon
It seems like they got most of what they wanted in like their last like bargaining agreement. So, I mean, it seems like he's got like relatively smooth waters ahead of him.
00:05:10
Brandon
But like who who knows? like In the AI era right now, like with everything that's going on, like I could see his life getting very complicated very quickly.
00:05:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, was just about to say, I
00:05:22
Kevin Dougherty
it was just about to say they are still fighting for some like AI stuff because of the way it advances so fast in three years.
00:05:22
Brandon
You know what I mean?
00:05:27
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
00:05:28
Kevin Dougherty
They have to like keep renegotiating that.
00:05:31
Kevin Dougherty
So, yeah.
00:05:31
Brandon
Yeah.
00:05:32
Brandon
And right before the cast, we were talking about like how there are like right now, like an astronomical amount of cyber attacks using very sophisticated AI technology that's been like um even fooling the own creators of their own websites in some instances where they weren't even able to tell. so Yeah, I mean, the sophistication seems to be like getting more sharper by the hour almost. this Like that whole thing came out about the AI that was like blackmailing that guy because it knew he was like cheating on his wife. And like that only that info just came out like a couple months ago. So like, like who knows what's going on now?
00:06:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, because it didn't want to be shut down.
00:06:18
Brandon
People are marrying their goddamn AI girlfriends.
00:06:20
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:06:21
Brandon
Like what the fuck?
00:06:21
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, it didn't want to be shut down, so blackmailed the guy.
00:06:25
Brandon
Yeah, yeah.
00:06:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:06:26
Brandon
Yeah, it didn't want, yeah, it was going to be like, I think it was going to be, yeah, it was going to be basically erased and then upgraded. So, like, it's current, it has to then at that point, if it feared being erased to go to that extent, it has to be somewhat sentient then.
00:06:46
Brandon
It has to have an idea of what, like, a cyber... death would be, and it was going to desperate measures, and it knew to blackmail.
00:06:58
Kevin Dougherty
I think it's just learned from behavior online that this is the thing, like when when this happens, this is how you should respond.
00:07:03
Brandon
yeah
00:07:10
Kevin Dougherty
is I think it's just the algorithm. It's just found on the internet.
00:07:13
Brandon
I guess.
00:07:14
Kevin Dougherty
i I don't think it's necessarily saying it.
00:07:15
Brandon
I don't know, man. That seems to be getting very, very sharply sophisticated in very small periods of time.
00:07:26
Brandon
And seems to be evolving so rapidly. Like, this story was now about three months ago now.
00:07:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:07:32
Brandon
So three months later, the shit that's happening, like, right now... Who even knows? We're probably not going to find out for another few weeks to months. But, like, as far as we could know, shit, i don't even want to speculate. But, like, I might not even be talking to the real Kevin Dock right now.
00:07:55
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. I mean, there's already been like accusations that like, Trump was using ai in like a recent video or something.
00:08:01
Brandon
I didn't want to go there, but that's what I was thinking about it.
00:08:02
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:08:04
Brandon
Like, he's totally gone brain dead, and they just replaced his mind with an AI Trump bot.
00:08:09
Kevin Dougherty
that yeah
00:08:11
Brandon
I would never know the fucking difference. So, yeah. ah oh man Oh, man. wasn't didn't somebody catch, like, there was like a hot mic. I think it was between Putin And I think it was she and they were talking about how like with like AI technology and like the new stuff coming out that like they might be able to somehow live forever using it or something like that.
00:08:41
Brandon
Like AI supplemented thoughts where they could like basically take their thoughts and like transplant it to like another.
00:08:42
Kevin Dougherty
uh yeah they were like i think it was like them walking like down like a hallway or something because i could just see them i think it was like an airport or something because they were surrounded by a bunch of people and they're walking down and they're like
00:08:49
Brandon
It was just like, i don't know if they were being serious, but apparently this was caught on a hot mic. So... Yeah.
00:09:06
Brandon
Yeah.
00:09:07
Kevin Dougherty
and the translator just like was walking with them recording, and they heard him saying, they were just openly talking about it.
00:09:10
Brandon
Yeah.
00:09:14
Brandon
I mean, it could have been just bullshitting and stuff like that.
00:09:14
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:09:17
Brandon
But like, I mean, with the I'm just saying, like, these are two guys that like rely on each other for their own existence. So I'm going to think that every time they speak to one another, they're probably going to be fairly goddamn serious.
00:09:34
Brandon
I don't see either of them having like very big sense of humor is unless like, you know, Putin thinks it's funny in the different crafty ways that he comes up with to, like, kill his political opponents.
00:09:46
Brandon
Like, hey, I'm going to try this new form of poison this time. And, you know, that neurotoxin, it just wasn't doing it for me, you know?
00:09:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. he
00:09:54
Brandon
Like, you know, yeah, you know, you heard about that Havana syndrome?
00:09:55
Kevin Dougherty
You know, that Russian humor.
00:10:00
Brandon
Like, yeah, that's real, and it's very much us, you know? Yeah. It just doesn't seem to be like two guys. I mean, fucking she banned Winnie the Pooh because somebody made like a fucking like wisecrack remark.
00:10:16
Brandon
So, you know you saw South Park get piglet and Pooh were in jail, you know?
00:10:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Oh, i'm speaking of which, uh,
00:10:22
Brandon
i
00:10:23
Kevin Dougherty
um Disney or no Warner Brothers is suing one of the ai companies ah for copyright infringement because it was training their AI on their stuff because all the the people making like, you know, Batman AI stuff.
00:10:38
Kevin Dougherty
So they're suing the the people over copyright infringement.
00:10:40
Brandon
Oh. and Warner Brothers, is so do you know who exactly they're suing a particular studio or manufacturer of AI software?
00:10:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, could get right.
00:10:51
Brandon
Or are they suing the creators of an algorithm?
00:10:54
Kevin Dougherty
I think one of the, if I forget which site it was. um I can look it up real quick. It just dawned on me when we were talking about AI.
00:11:00
Brandon
it's It's not that big of a deal, but it is something that is interesting because, you know, AI is just every other thing you see in the news right now.
00:11:09
Kevin Dougherty
Mid-Journey.
00:11:11
Brandon
Mid-journey?
00:11:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, they're suing Mid-Journey for AI images a Superman, Bugs Bunny, and other characters.
00:11:16
Brandon
Huh. How about that? And they're saying you knowingly did this and...
00:11:23
Kevin Dougherty
Well, they're saying that they they trained, I mean, they're training, you know, mid-journey on that. if If somebody goes to one of the mid-journey and types in, give me a Superman, but looking like this, it's going to generate that character.
00:11:37
Brandon
Yeah.
00:11:39
Kevin Dougherty
And that's not be right.
00:11:40
Brandon
Yeah, I guess what I'm wondering is, was this like something incidental or was it something that was intentional? And I guess, well, I guess it doesn't really matter what the, whether or not the fact is, is that they were using it and they did it.
00:11:51
Kevin Dougherty
It's, Yeah. yeahs
00:11:57
Brandon
ah I'll have to see the legal argument when it comes out. But I mean, I just see this becoming like a much larger problem if that's happening because, and Now I could just see things getting so locked up in legal disputes. So many things getting locked up. Like we just got fucking Cunningham and who's that other idiot to settle their shit with Friday the 13th.
00:12:24
Brandon
And they're still on rocky ground.
00:12:24
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah.
00:12:25
Brandon
And like I feel that could, you know, reignite at any time now. Like goddamn, hopefully those guys don't start playing with AI. Oh, God. Yeah, just stay away from Jason Voorhees, guys.
00:12:37
Brandon
Just seriously.
00:12:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:12:39
Brandon
But you know what I mean? Like, I could see this, like, affecting all kinds of different things from individual characters to entire genres. And, you know, this could, yeah. Oh, man.
00:12:53
Brandon
Fuck. yeah Well, at any rate, it's out of our hands. um Is there any Crystal Lake news speaking of Jason this week? Anything you've heard?
00:13:04
Kevin Dougherty
Uh, no, uh, not recently.
00:13:07
Brandon
All right, well, the news is there is no news, and no news is no news.
00:13:07
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. But it's still filming. As far as I know, they hit the old notes, uh, when it's completed filming, that's for sure.
00:13:18
Brandon
Yeah.
00:13:18
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, the last news we got was like, they've cast like a young Jason, but I doubt he's going to be in it like that much. So, uh, I, I'm sure it's mostly going to follow Pamela Voorhees, but like,
00:13:30
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, that's what I got. it I was thinking we might see like young Jason, like flashbacks and stuff like we did in the original. ah Or, you know, maybe we'd see a little bit Jason at the very end or something like that.
00:13:45
Brandon
But yeah, I i guess.
00:13:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I think we're going to get, like, kid Jason for right now, maybe, like, in a few episodes.
00:13:52
Brandon
Yeah, something like that.
00:13:53
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, he might be in, like, most of it and not even drown to the end for all and all we know.
00:13:57
Brandon
Yeah, true, true. Or it may just ah never come out. So, you know, who knows? But, you know, hey, from from what I understand, they are actively filming in Phillipsburg right now.
00:14:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:14:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:14:11
Brandon
So, you know.
00:14:12
Kevin Dougherty
So, yeah, well we'll be back when they... when they wrap filming and we've seen it.
00:14:15
Brandon
It might be time to take a field trip up there. You know what? To do real investigative reporting, to really get the true news on Crystal Lake, I go up there to where they're fucking filmed and start some shit.
00:14:29
Kevin Dougherty
yeah You should try to get on set and see if you'd be like, yo, if can Jason murder me?
00:14:29
Brandon
See what happens.
00:14:36
Brandon
Dude, there was ah there was like um some kind of like a documentary about all the people that Jason... I think it was up until Jason Takes Manhattan.
00:14:48
Brandon
They had tried to get as many people from the first eight movies as possible together. And they all talked about how Jason killed them.
00:15:00
Brandon
I can't remember what it was called, but the guy would like he was like, hey, you know, my name is such and such. I'm Jason Kill number 45 or something like that.
00:15:10
Kevin Dougherty
Was it in the Was it in Crystal Lake Memories that documentary?
00:15:11
Brandon
I got my head squished in.
00:15:15
Brandon
It might. Yeah, it could have been just a segment of that or it could have been something separate.
00:15:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah Okay
00:15:20
Brandon
But Crystal Lake Memories, I think, was like a five to six hour production.
00:15:21
Kevin Dougherty
Okay Yeah That's why i was thinking it might have been in there
00:15:26
Brandon
So, like, yeah, they covered a lot of stuff. And I think it was also like somewhat a collection of other documentaries like bundled together. So I think you're right. I think it might have been in there. But yeah.
00:15:38
Brandon
I watched that twice, and I think it was like at least five hours long, and both times I was like, yeah, I'm just going to watch a little bit. I ended up watching all five hours. it didn't seem that long to me.
00:15:49
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:15:50
Brandon
What can I say? I like Jason.
00:15:51
Kevin Dougherty
mean yeah ah but yeah ah speaking of serial killers ah back into Dexter yeah
00:15:57
Brandon
Yeah. Kind of perfect leading, huh? Dexter, Resurrection, and, you know, Resurrection, coming back.
00:16:07
Kevin Dougherty
yeah so we had already reviewed the first five episodes but we'll give you a ah quick recap on those ah Dexter's not dead from New Blood
00:16:17
Brandon
Yeah, big surprise.
00:16:18
Kevin Dougherty
uh, Batista.
00:16:19
Brandon
hey He's making money.
00:16:21
Kevin Dougherty
Yes. Batista has found him, uh, and is still kind of hunting him in a way that he thinks that he's the Bay Harbor butcher. And he's now followed him.
00:16:34
Kevin Dougherty
and yeah And Dexter's followed his son to New York where he's, uh, killed somebody who was about to rape this woman. And, you know, since he learned a little bit, um of how to dispose of body and everything from Dexter,
00:16:48
Kevin Dougherty
He cleans it up and then Dexter finds out about the murder go and knows it's his son, goes to New York and helps him out and then reveals to him that he's still alive.
00:17:00
Kevin Dougherty
And then we get to where there's another serial killer that's calling himself the Dark Passenger who's killing a rideshare of people. And then once Dexter hunts him down,
00:17:14
Kevin Dougherty
He finds out that there is a collection of... Peter Dinklage is um getting ah collection of serial killers to come for dinners and meetings so he can hear their stories.
00:17:29
Kevin Dougherty
And...
00:17:30
Brandon
Because he is a sick pervert.
00:17:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yes. And we kind of left off somewhere around there where he had already killed off um one of the killers and he framed... Kristen Ritter for another one and got her in jail and I think that's pretty much where we pick up with episode 6 with Batista going oh we just need to show her his picture and then she'll be able to identify him by the time they get to prison ah they found that she hung herself but we all know that she didn't that it was Charlie Uma Thurma's character who's the bodyguard to Peter Dinklage at you know
00:18:13
Kevin Dougherty
got to a cop that worked at the prison to frame, ah make it look like a suicide. So, and you said you didn't like the first half of the show, which we had talked about earlier.
00:18:27
Brandon
I didn't like it. I really didn't like any of it. I mean, there were moments here and there that I liked. First, I just want to say, I think Peter Deklage did um a tremendous job. I mean, he is just a really, really good actor. um I think that this would have been, i really think that because of his character and because he was so beloved from Game of Thrones and stuff like that, I believe that his presence alone has really, like, I think he really attracted a lot of people to this show, and I think he's one of the reasons for the high reception that this show has gotten. But other than that, I just can't really figure it out.
00:19:14
Brandon
I thought out of all the Dexters I've seen, I don't even think that this was the best seasons. Of any Dexter I've seen previously.
00:19:22
Kevin Dougherty
No, i don't think it's the best season either.
00:19:24
Brandon
al um Well,
00:19:24
Kevin Dougherty
course, the John Lithgow season is the best season, the Trinity Killers.
00:19:29
Brandon
subjectively, sure. But I'm just saying, like, i would say out of all the Dexter seasons I've seen, maybe except for the last season of the original Dexter series...
00:19:43
Brandon
Taking into account Dexter Original Sin, taking into account Dexter New Blood, I thought that this was by far the weakest. um I liked Original Sin and New Blood exponentially more than I liked this. I thought they were both more ah engaging. um i thought that the plot like encompassed more and was faster moving.
00:20:06
Brandon
I found this to be slow and sluggish. um Although I thought this had like a very good cast of characters with ah you know like Uma Thurman, that guch like i said and even Doogie Howser playing like the small roles.
00:20:22
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, Neil Patrick Harris, yeah.
00:20:23
Brandon
you know that will I think there was a couple other cameos too. The actor that played a dark the Dark Passenger that ah Dexter kills.
00:20:34
Brandon
was also the same actor that I've liked from countless other things. Most recently he was in ah The Outsider, the Stephen King remake.
00:20:46
Brandon
He was the one that was like being controlled by the thing.
00:20:46
Kevin Dougherty
Okay.
00:20:49
Brandon
He had those like marks on his neck and he was like, and you know, he just had like a real quick cameo right before Dexter killed him. And, you know, I thought the cast was very good. I just thought that the story was just so flat and unpausable and ridiculous.
00:21:07
Brandon
um Yeah, I just didn't like where they went with it at all. But i'm what is really shocking to me on this, though, is how much of in the minority I am. Like, right before coming in to this cast, I double-checked on IMDb.
00:21:25
Brandon
This had a solid 9.2 ratings. two grading With no episode, i think the lowest rated episode was like an 8.8. And like I said, I've been having issues with IMDb recently, like I used to like kind of regard it as like the holy grail of the rating system, like I don't agree with Rotten Tomatoes or the others, I thought IMDb was a fairly good indicator as to whether a show was going to be, or a show, or, well, more shows than films, I never agreed with films, but
00:22:01
Brandon
with a series, I thought IMDb gave me a pretty damn good indicator of what was going to merit my attention and what was not going to merit my attention. And, uh, this one I'm just really baffled by because the reception is so fucking overwhelmingly positive.
00:22:18
Brandon
And yet, at the same time, I think it was just such flat shit, lazy, poor writing with a great cast. I just don't fucking get it. And, uh,
00:22:29
Brandon
Yeah, I'm just kind of a broken man.
00:22:32
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so dan turn you the last these past five episodes didn't turn you around on the show at all.
00:22:37
Brandon
There were moments, and I did... I liked the last episode. I would say this. The last episode, i really enjoyed. If the last episode... if the previous episodes had like a fragment of that, like, you know, Dexter at the very end, like grabbing all the files and shit, like, nah, like I'm risking everything. i need, I need those files.
00:23:00
Brandon
Like, you know i mean? Like there were things like, i was just like, oh man, like why couldn't they have had some of that in the other episodes? And yeah, don't,
00:23:11
Brandon
So, yeah, I would say i enjoyed the final episode of it. i just didn't like anything else. And, yeah, I wanted it to.
00:23:19
Kevin Dougherty
I did like the I like the Gemini I like the Gemini killer part where he had thought he had killed him he did the whole princess bride thing with the drinks and yeah
00:23:30
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's great one.
00:23:34
Kevin Dougherty
yeah yeah and then and then when he's like oh shit he's not going to be here to get on this plane and then he shows up and he's like oh shit
00:23:35
Brandon
Dexter saw it coming, his arrogance. Like, oh, I'm so fearful.
00:23:46
Kevin Dougherty
He figures out he's a twin. He's like, oh, it makes perfect sense when you really think about it. And then he goaded him into like fucking ah attacking him at the at the thing so he can like just murder him right there.
00:23:58
Brandon
The only thing I didn't buy about the twin thing is those guys were both such pretentious, arrogant assholes. I feel like one twin would have murdered the other twin. Like, I don't think this would have been like a Menendez coexisting thing.
00:24:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, probably.
00:24:12
Brandon
Like, I think because of like their inflated egos, there's just no way at one point, like one of them would not have been like, you know what?
00:24:23
Brandon
Fuck this. Like, I'm killing you. like there can be only one Gemini. I am the most, like, I just, you know, I don't know.
00:24:33
Brandon
That's the way I saw it. But like I said, I didn't put too much stock into anything.
00:24:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:24:39
Brandon
I really, i really wanted to like it too. I'm like, I gotta be wrong here. What am I seeing? And like every episode just seems so boring and it just drug on and on. And I was just like, what the fuck?
00:24:54
Brandon
Like, I, ah,
00:24:56
Kevin Dougherty
I know. I really liked it, so yeah.
00:24:58
Brandon
Well, talk a little bit more about, like, the moments that you liked. Because, look, um like I said, I'm in the tiny minority.
00:25:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:25:06
Brandon
You're the master race here.
00:25:11
Brandon
Speak for the people, Doc.
00:25:11
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah, the...
00:25:13
Brandon
Crush me.
00:25:14
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:25:14
Brandon
What was so great about this that deserved a 9.2 on with a goddamn motherfucking people chiming in?
00:25:15
Kevin Dougherty
um
00:25:28
Brandon
plus people chiming in.
00:25:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I can't speak for everybody.
00:25:30
Brandon
Tell me.
00:25:32
Kevin Dougherty
I can only speak for myself. So, but the things I liked about the the next few episodes were at that a getaway party when ah they're, like, having to reveal themselves to each other and...
00:25:48
Brandon
Which one? The first one or the one where he tells Gemini?
00:25:52
Kevin Dougherty
know, when he kills Gemini.
00:25:54
Brandon
Okay.
00:25:55
Kevin Dougherty
Okay, so yeah when...
00:25:55
Brandon
Just wanted to make sure. So wasn't like the original,
00:25:56
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, when he's on like the... When he takes the helicopter to retreat and he's supposed to like tell his story or whatever, but instead he talks about his feelings.
00:26:03
Brandon
Gotcha. yeah
00:26:05
Kevin Dougherty
thought that was like a really great monologue that he had where like he was like, all right, I have to give them something without revealing who I am. So how can I do that? I thought that was really well done.
00:26:17
Kevin Dougherty
And even like Dinklage, like, you know, reveals that he is the way he is because his parents were killed by a guy who purposely murdered his parents in a car crash because because he got in a fight with his girlfriend or some shit like that. So he made a connection with him.
00:26:39
Kevin Dougherty
um which okay whatever like i guess you're fascinated with what goes through the minds of these people but it seems a little more than that i don't really know but that's why he was collecting them but yeah uh the other the other thing i had a problem with was the
00:26:53
Brandon
Yeah, that didn't make any sense to me. Yeah, like...
00:27:01
Kevin Dougherty
um girl that Harrison was helping out with like babysitting like they kind of had like well seeing the a romantic thing and then suddenly like he just starts banging this other chick out of nowhere
00:27:13
Brandon
Yeah, that girl just kind of fades away. Yeah, I didn't...
00:27:16
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:27:17
Brandon
You mentioned it. Yeah. Her ah her character ah line just kind dies. I
00:27:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, it went from like, okay, my son's sick. you Can you help out with like um the landlord? And like he has that like thought of of stabbing the landlord in the eye.
00:27:36
Kevin Dougherty
And then Dexter helps him out by end up
00:27:37
Brandon
i like that. I did like that scene.
00:27:39
Kevin Dougherty
And Dexter helps him out by scaring the landlord into fixing it. But like, that's kind of like the last time you really even see or talk about her for the rest of it. Cause then Harrison decides he's going to go.
00:27:48
Brandon
Yeah.
00:27:50
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, he ah it does talk about going back to school with her as well. And that's when he goes and meets this other girl. And it's like a police Academy type, but it's not really a police Academy, but it's like a college that get into criminal justice or whatever.
00:28:05
Kevin Dougherty
And like, and then he's like, starts hooking up with her. and then you don't hear about it.
00:28:09
Brandon
Yeah, well, it's kind of like real life sort of in a way.
00:28:12
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:28:12
Brandon
I mean, if you're a guy who's kind of a douchebag, which I thought Harrison was trying to not because, yeah, he just kind of like bounced from that ah other young lady he was seeing who was pregnant with a daughter.
00:28:27
Brandon
I guess like he felt like she was.
00:28:28
Kevin Dougherty
Well, she wasn't pregnant, but she had a son. Yeah.
00:28:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. young
00:28:30
Brandon
Oh, yeah, she already had a kid, but, like, um she was in, like, a really kind of fucked up situation.
00:28:36
Brandon
I guess he was like, well, you know, I had my father scare her landlord, so, like, her scene is, like, resolved, and, like, she wasn't trying to bang me, so, all right, peace.
00:28:37
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:28:50
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:50
Brandon
I'm just living on.
00:28:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:28:53
Brandon
And, like, yeah, he just starts hooking up with somebody else, and he's just like, I don't want to know you anymore.
00:28:55
Kevin Dougherty
It's just...
00:29:00
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:00
Brandon
because like, you know, my God.
00:29:01
Kevin Dougherty
and so It's just really weird because it but definitely seemed like she was into him and then suddenly she was like, oh no, this is...
00:29:08
Brandon
Or even if she wasn't, if they were just friends, sorry interrupt you, but like, you know, even if she wasn't into him, like they were still friends.
00:29:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, this is fine. Yeah.
00:29:16
Brandon
You would still think that her character, like she would even come up and be like, hey, you know, I'm really happy you found somebody. Like, you know, do you want to bring her over? We could all have dinner, you know, my kid now that my apartment doesn't have mold in it anymore so that you're not like –
00:29:31
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:29:32
Brandon
bringing your girl to fucking your dad's basement apartment, like, you know what mean, like, i don't know, like, anything like that, like, yeah, her character, her whole character just died, yeah,
00:29:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. He still clearly, he still clearly cares for her and the, and her kids. So it's like, yeah, it's, yeah, she did just kind of disappear from the show though. So, but yeah.
00:29:51
Brandon
it's good to point out, I didn't even think of that, like, yeah, but,
00:29:54
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Cause like suddenly i was like, Oh, okay. like i got I mean, she's real hot, too. So it's like, I'm not going to like be like, no, you shouldn't. like so Yeah.
00:30:04
Brandon
It just seemed like they were really good friends. That's the thing.
00:30:07
Kevin Dougherty
yeah.
00:30:08
Brandon
Like, it seemed like they had kind of like, I mean, there was obviously romantic interest by Harrison, but she had kind of shot him down and he was embarrassed, but they reconciled right afterwards.
00:30:20
Brandon
And, you know, she even said to him like, Hey, like, you know, i'm just not ready. Like,
00:30:24
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:30:25
Brandon
You know what I mean?
00:30:25
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:30:26
Brandon
And so they were like good friends. So that was like Harrison's probably best buddy. I mean, she was even making it so that like Harrison had a place to sleep that night by helping him stay at the hotel.
00:30:38
Brandon
So you would think that her character would have been at least somewhat integrated into the rest.
00:30:38
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:30:44
Brandon
But yeah, she just kind of, it's like,
00:30:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:30:48
Brandon
Yeah.
00:30:48
Kevin Dougherty
I think she might have been in like one of the final shots of the theve season, I think.
00:30:56
Brandon
Did she work at the party at the end?
00:30:56
Kevin Dougherty
But I don't know.
00:30:59
Kevin Dougherty
No. But I mean, like as Dexter's sailing off, I think in one of the epilogue things where it was like showing what Harrison... When it was like, oh, I need this... When Dexter's talking about he needs his family, it's showing ah um you know a blessing.
00:31:19
Kevin Dougherty
and it's shown i think I think Harrison might have been there, too. I forget. But yeah, also...
00:31:24
Brandon
know. Yeah, but her her character kind of just goes away when Dexter finds a girlfriend.
00:31:26
Kevin Dougherty
but yeah also
00:31:30
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:31:33
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, i didn't i also I also thought it was weird, like, Batista, like, and this other cop, I forget her name ah already, but ah see they seem to have been, like, on the same wavelength in the beginning.
00:31:33
Brandon
Or when Harrison finds a girlfriend, excuse me.
00:31:48
Kevin Dougherty
And then as soon as, like, she actually sees Dexter and introduces himself to Dexter... And like, oh yeah, I've met your friend Angel or whatever. And Dexter is like, oh yeah, I think he's just, you know, really depressed because of his wife and is calling him basically crazy.
00:32:04
Kevin Dougherty
And then he like, oh, yeah and then tell, like gives her a hint of the New York Ripper.
00:32:04
Brandon
Yeah.
00:32:10
Kevin Dougherty
And like, because he saw the New York Ripper's weapon in the, in Praetor's, Dinklage's vault. So, um but yeah, then after that, like,
00:32:23
Kevin Dougherty
Batista started tracking Dexter and when they have that conversation the car and he's like, oh, if I was who you think I was, do you think this would be really smart of you to do that shit?
00:32:38
Brandon
Yeah.
00:32:38
Kevin Dougherty
I could fucking kill you. He's just fucking staring at him. but yeah like and Batista's falling around and straight up finds the kill room and shows the cop and the cops are just kind of like,
00:32:51
Kevin Dougherty
oh, well, you didn't you didn't catch him. You didn't catch his thing. So this is, maybe you did this. Or then they call him and be like, oh oh, yeah, he's not even working officially.
00:33:02
Kevin Dougherty
He retired or whatever for the Miami.
00:33:04
Brandon
Yeah, well, if...
00:33:06
Kevin Dougherty
It's like they kind of seem to like kind of completely switch on Bautista, even though like it seemed like they've been beginning.
00:33:11
Brandon
Well, he was misrepresenting himself to them the whole time, though.
00:33:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, true.
00:33:16
Brandon
But the thing is, is they didn't find out.
00:33:17
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:33:19
Brandon
I think what you're trying to point out, correct me if I'm wrong, is they didn't find out that he was misrepresenting his law enforcement credentials until after they discovered that kill room and stuff.
00:33:32
Brandon
And he points to that, right? it's
00:33:34
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:33:34
Brandon
He shows him that and he's like, look, I tracked him right to this.
00:33:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:33:38
Brandon
Yes, I used an unworned, shady method to track him here. But nonetheless, I tracked him here and this is what I found.
00:33:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:33:49
Brandon
And they didn't call Quinn until after that to find out.
00:33:55
Kevin Dougherty
Correct.
00:33:55
Brandon
So at that time, they did think he was an active police captain from Miami, a captain, right? That was his right, from Miami up there.
00:34:05
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:07
Brandon
So yeah, I mean, that was a bit dismissive, especially because, um, the lead detective seemed to suspect Dexter and Harrison very strongly for very good reasons of being at least involved or knowing more than what they were saying.
00:34:21
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:34:25
Brandon
But ah Baptista did come off as kind of a crazy whack job, which really didn't make a whole lot of sense to me given the amount of time that he would have had to prepare evidence with Dexter being in a coma.
00:34:41
Brandon
He could have really like, you know, taken that time to cross the T's and dot the lowercase J's. And he did he did not.
00:34:54
Kevin Dougherty
Well, yeah, he was still trying to like track Dexter and get evidence on him.
00:34:54
Brandon
He came off as very...
00:34:59
Kevin Dougherty
ah That's why I never saw him in New York.
00:34:59
Brandon
Yeah, I'm just saying like he had time while Dexter was in a coma to really kind of like, you know, do solid police work.
00:35:00
Kevin Dougherty
you
00:35:08
Brandon
So he had like question after question, like every single one, like he just didn't really seem to have a case put together. He was more like ranting and raving and seemed like very disheveled. And the fact that he also had retired from the force and then totally misrepresented himself.
00:35:32
Brandon
I mean, that's a crime in itself as a courtesy. They didn't bring charges up against him.
00:35:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:39
Brandon
i mean, if Dexter wanted, he could have, Dexter's a guy who in all his previous escapades,
00:35:39
Kevin Dougherty
It's just for them to... Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:49
Brandon
is somebody who did do his homework, you would think he would have known about Baptista. He would have researched that, found out that Baptista had left the force, and he could have easily like went to them.
00:36:01
Brandon
And when he said, like oh yeah, he was depressed and upset about his wife, and he's putting things together that just aren't there, it would have been really handy if Dexter could have been like, and by the way, I called all my old colleagues who I'm on good terms with,
00:36:17
Brandon
And, you know, they were pissed that I faked my own death.
00:36:19
Kevin Dougherty
But they all think he's dead, too.
00:36:21
Brandon
yeah They were pissed that they faked my own death.
00:36:21
Kevin Dougherty
Only Beth Easton knew what he thought.
00:36:24
Brandon
But they also informed me that he had a total mental collapse and just suddenly resigned from the force down there. So I think he's very unhinged.
00:36:35
Brandon
Like, you know what I mean? Yeah.
00:36:36
Kevin Dougherty
yeah Yeah, it would have been convenient if he had known that. But at the same time, like the cop had ah this obsession with getting this New York Ripper that was like a case she couldn't let go of.
00:36:46
Kevin Dougherty
So she would understand... you know, more of Baptista not being able let this case go, like him retiring just so he can go hunt down Dexter and things, yeah, yeah, and things being, you know kind of leading towards that it was Harrison and Dexter, you know what mean?
00:36:56
Brandon
Well, he even points that out. He said that one case.
00:37:08
Kevin Dougherty
Like, for them to, like, just kind of, like, I don't know, it just seems a little like, okay, we don't believe you anymore just to set him up, you know i mean? But, uh,
00:37:19
Kevin Dougherty
I mean, i thought I did think it was funny when he like ah sees that picture of Praetor and is like, oh, I'll just go warn this guy that he's going to be fucking killed. And ends up getting himself fucking strapped to the table. And Dexter tries to help him.
00:37:34
Kevin Dougherty
and am i And he just kind of just His hatred for Dexter was too much and it got him fucking killed by Praetor. So...
00:37:42
Brandon
Yeah, I mean, he had lost his mind.
00:37:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:37:45
Kevin Dougherty
And I...
00:37:45
Brandon
I mean, he was totally unhinged.
00:37:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and I liked how Dexter figured out what the code was for the safe and him, like, getting his son, like, which he didn't want to get involved, but his son basically saved him.
00:38:00
Kevin Dougherty
And then, yeah, like you said, like, grabbing the files after, like, killing Praetor, that whole monologue and with Praetor on the thing, and how about, like, oh, I'm not taking a slide of you because I only do that to remember.
00:38:11
Kevin Dougherty
um don't want to remember you at all. You're nothing to me.
00:38:15
Brandon
yeah
00:38:16
Kevin Dougherty
After he like offered him up like all these serial killers that Dexter could have, he was just like, nah, fuck you, dude. I don't only want to remember you. I thought that was fucking great.
00:38:28
Kevin Dougherty
And then he just fucking
00:38:30
Brandon
Well, i also thought it was a serious miscalculation on Prater's part to assume that Dexter would kill Baptista.
00:38:41
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:38:41
Brandon
Like, if he knew anything about the Bay Harbor Butcher, he would know that the Bay Harbor Butcher, and this is a guy who is, he frantically masturbates, probably in, like, women's clothing with, like, a fucking noose around his neck and a lemon peel on his mouth to, like, the thought of meeting serial killers. So he obviously really does his homework.
00:39:04
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:39:04
Brandon
And you would think that he would have known
00:39:05
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, you're.
00:39:07
Brandon
that the Bay Harbor Butcher is meticulous in selecting who he kills as only people who are killers. you know, he talks about being apex predators.
00:39:21
Brandon
Well, yeah, he is a predator who has a very, very refined palate, and that is he only kills the killer of killers.
00:39:33
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:39:34
Brandon
That's it. And Baptista was a complete innocent who, you know, had nothing to do with anything like that. So, and they were, they had been friends. so I guess he was just like, well, you know, he's trying to, you know, imprison you and, you know, fucking have you in jail or worse the rest of your life. So I'm just going to assume that like, you're going to,
00:39:59
Brandon
break your code that you've known your entire life that I've studied religiously and you're just going to kill a guy that you described previously as a friend and colleague.
00:40:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, and he doesn't even...
00:40:12
Brandon
This doesn't really make sense.
00:40:13
Kevin Dougherty
And Prater doesn't even meet Dexter's code until he shoots Baptista.
00:40:18
Brandon
Yeah.
00:40:19
Kevin Dougherty
So do you think if it was Uma Thurman that shot Baptista that Dinklage would still end up on the table?
00:40:26
Kevin Dougherty
I think he would have.
00:40:26
Brandon
Well,
00:40:27
Brandon
I think that he might have met Dexter's code before shooting Baptista because Prater was an enabler.
00:40:37
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's true.
00:40:37
Brandon
He was – mean Prater was almost worse than these people because he was not only like not reporting them.
00:40:38
Kevin Dougherty
He was paying... Yeah. Yeah. painer killllers
00:40:49
Brandon
He was paying them to keep killing
00:40:52
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:40:53
Brandon
So I think that, yeah, Praetor already met his code very well. I think he even talked about how he was going to kill Praetor beforehand. Because, yeah, I mean, Praetor was just as bad, if not worse, than the killers.
00:41:07
Brandon
So, yeah, I mean, I would argue that he was worse.
00:41:10
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, I'd agree with that. um I thought it was funny how he jacked Prater's boat. I'm not sure how he knew where it was or like how he got it.
00:41:19
Brandon
oh yeah he does kind of just get on that boat at the end
00:41:23
Kevin Dougherty
He just like sees that picture and he's like, oh, I'm taking that boat. and he's like And I'm glad he's out dumping bodies in the fucking and the bay again because like you know' he's not going to have to worry about scuba divers and the in fucking New York.
00:41:38
Brandon
yeah
00:41:38
Kevin Dougherty
finding those fucking bodies that's for sure like
00:41:42
Brandon
Yeah, unless the scuba divr unless the scuba divers were to come across his bodies because they were already searching for other bodies that they thought were dumped by some other guy there.
00:41:55
Brandon
Yeah, I mean.
00:41:57
Kevin Dougherty
but there's probably like we're talking about fucking new york like there's probably so many bodies in that water from the mobs that
00:42:06
Brandon
There's a lot of bodies that one.
00:42:09
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:42:11
Brandon
Well, I mean, even just like random body, there's bodies in that water.
00:42:15
Kevin Dougherty
like just yeah those random bodies and then he's just added to the more but i mean obviously if they find those they're gonna be like oh well these are kind of different than the other ones because these are all chopped up but uh yeah so but yeah
00:42:28
Brandon
Yeah, but they're not going to find that, yeah.
00:42:31
Kevin Dougherty
ah Yeah.
00:42:31
Brandon
yeah
00:42:31
Kevin Dougherty
I am glad like at the end he was finally like, you know what I like being me and like, like this, this, instead of trying to be, you know, this guy who's not going to kill or, you know, or he's like, I like being like, I'm not, I don't have to pretend to like love my family.
00:42:50
Kevin Dougherty
Cause he does love his son. he he kind of even kind of expressed that expresses that. And he's, Like I like being me and so do you. And he like, kind of gives that wing to the camera and shit.
00:43:01
Kevin Dougherty
And we're like, yeah, fucking Dexter's back, baby. Like, I'm glad he got it. Like, like I said at the but the the last episode of that one, we were talking about, uh, he sees his slides. Uh, he, he was like, I'm taking these back. Then yeah, he grabs all those files.
00:43:15
Kevin Dougherty
And I definitely think we talked about this a little bit off air. We were talking about how we definitely think he left that New York Ripper file for her to find as, uh,
00:43:24
Brandon
Yeah, he he did leave it for her.
00:43:27
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, not just ah as a, like, ah here, this this one's for you. I know you've been looking for this, but also to, like, kind of get the eyes off of him a little bit as well.
00:43:38
Brandon
Yeah.
00:43:39
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:43:39
Brandon
Yeah. that was Yeah, I thought that was like pretty much insinuated. Yeah.
00:43:44
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:43:44
Brandon
Well, because the New York Ripper is still an open case, right?
00:43:49
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, yes. And the not they said he's not killing anybody, but he's harassing the families by, like, calling them and stuff.
00:43:50
Brandon
Yeah.
00:43:58
Kevin Dougherty
is what that was. Yes. They there played that audio.
00:43:58
Brandon
Yeah, he's still doing that?
00:44:02
Brandon
Well, because I'm not sure. Yeah, actually, I did i do remember because he was – they know that um there was somebody who had gotten arrested um for calling the families, but it was just another crank.
00:44:18
Brandon
But ah then they found out there was somebody that was calling the families, and he knew things that had not been made public.
00:44:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:27
Brandon
And that's where they thought that, well, there were I know there were two theories that the NYPD were going over. They said, one, it's either really the New York Ripper or, and this is what they really didn't want to face, is that it was somebody within the police department that had access to evidence who could have been, you know, just being a real sick fuck.
00:44:48
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:44:53
Brandon
and Because there is precedent for this. This has happened before where, you know, like retired cops who like lose their shit, like, you know, would use that and could possibly be doing this. Because the the one thing they couldn't figure out was if the New York Ripper is still out there trolling the families and stuff like that. Like, why hasn't there been like another rep ah
00:45:18
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, sure.
00:45:19
Brandon
Because it's been decades, I think, right? It's been since the 80s, I think, was the last confirmed New York ripper kill, I think, was the like mid-80s, maybe, early
00:45:23
Kevin Dougherty
I don't remember how long they said.
00:45:31
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know if they say in the show because it seemed like it was her case. I think this is like not the ah real. This is a TV show version of. ah
00:45:40
Brandon
yeah Yeah, oh yes, yes, this is the TV show version, just influenced by the actual New York Ripper, but in real life there was somebody.
00:45:40
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:47
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, so I don't know what the timeline, I don't know what the timeline in this is because it seems like it was her case.
00:45:52
Brandon
Yeah, good point.
00:45:55
Kevin Dougherty
You know what i mean? And I believe the name on the file wasn't the name of like, whatever, whoever the real New York Ripper is, but...
00:45:56
Brandon
Yeah.
00:46:02
Brandon
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, um yeah i think I think you're right.
00:46:03
Kevin Dougherty
um
00:46:05
Brandon
I think it was a TV version of that. um But, ah yeah, I mean, I thought that that was one interesting dynamic that they brought in. And I like the um actress that played the lead detective. I don't know her.
00:46:20
Brandon
I had seen her in a few episodes of, like, a Law & Order that I've watched through the years. I even checked to make sure it was her, and that she was –
00:46:26
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:30
Brandon
frequent guest on Law & Order, like she had like a regular role.
00:46:35
Kevin Dougherty
I thought that scene where she's about to leave that ball and then Stayin' Live comes on and she goes back and starts dancing, I thought that was one of the things.
00:46:35
Brandon
on That
00:46:41
Brandon
that was going to be what I was going to say. I was about to be like, well, that's all I got. And that was, I would say, my probably like that might have been my yeah Aside from Dexter going back for the blood slides and risking getting caught and all that shit to grab those folders, I would say that that's probably, like, my favorite part.
00:47:05
Kevin Dougherty
ah I thought it was real ridiculous, but I did think it was fun.
00:47:08
Brandon
Oh, no, I thought that was, no, because she was real into music.
00:47:09
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. She's like, I'm leaving. And then she was like, yeah.
00:47:12
Brandon
No, she was, like, real into music and stuff like that. Like, and, yeah, I thought that was really classic.
00:47:15
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:18
Brandon
I really liked that. the Like I said, the last episode was a really good episode.
00:47:19
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:24
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:47:24
Brandon
They ended it really well. I just think that um everything else that previously happened could have, like, all been done like, two episodes.
00:47:34
Brandon
Like, this could have really easily just been, like, a three-episode miniseries.
00:47:37
Kevin Dougherty
hey He did get a lot of those serial killers in this season. I think this is probably the the season with him killing the most serial killers.
00:47:46
Brandon
The most prolific serial killers, yeah.
00:47:46
Kevin Dougherty
That's not true. Just the most serial killers. like A lot of the times he might only kill one or two besides the main villain of the season. This one I feel like he killed must have been like four because he gets well you get Harrison killing the one ah rapist guy.
00:48:06
Brandon
Both Geminis, he kills Lowell, so that's three.
00:48:08
Kevin Dougherty
both Gemini's.
00:48:13
Brandon
He kills the Dark Passenger, that's four.
00:48:14
Kevin Dougherty
Here's a dark passenger.
00:48:17
Brandon
Then he kills ah Peter, so that's five, but he's not really a serial killer. But I'm going to call him a serial killer.
00:48:25
Kevin Dougherty
But yeah.
00:48:26
Brandon
oh Let's call him five. um I can't think of anybody else. I feel like there's been seasons of Dexter where Dexter has killed a lot more than five people.
00:48:38
Kevin Dougherty
Maybe. i mean Yeah, but I don't know if they...
00:48:41
Brandon
Sometimes, but sometimes it would be like, because there's been Dexter seasons where like he's also talked about other people that he's killed in that season, or they would maybe show like a brief glimpse of it or something like that.
00:48:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, that's true.
00:48:56
Brandon
So, yeah, I mean, if you want to go for that, yeah, I don't know. I'd have to check.
00:49:01
Kevin Dougherty
it's it seems It just seems like it to me anyway.
00:49:01
Brandon
I'm not really sure.
00:49:03
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:04
Brandon
I'm assuming that this has already been renewed for a second season.
00:49:08
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, that's why they canceled Original Sin as well, because they didn't want two competing Dexters out there.
00:49:14
Brandon
There wouldn't have been two competing decks.
00:49:16
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:16
Brandon
They would have joined forces.
00:49:17
Kevin Dougherty
Just aired separately like they already did.
00:49:18
Brandon
Fine. think it was more about two competing networks. Well, no, it's the same network.
00:49:24
Kevin Dougherty
the network, yeah.
00:49:24
Brandon
Yeah.
00:49:27
Brandon
we already yeah I already vented my thing.
00:49:28
Kevin Dougherty
okay Yeah.
00:49:30
Brandon
But, um yeah, I don't know. I'm hoping that ah the second season will just be a little bit more fast-paced now that they've established all the nonsense that they established in the season.
00:49:42
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, well, he has a bunch killer killers to get through. he also has that one who got away, ponytail killer.
00:49:49
Brandon
To Wisconsin, yeah. Yeah.
00:49:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:49:51
Brandon
Who's going to be extra cagey because he's going to find out all this shit that happened. He's going be like, yo, it was definitely that dude that I knew was red.
00:50:01
Brandon
Like, I'm dead. You know what I mean? He's definitely going to be like locked down. He's probably going move for this college.
00:50:07
Kevin Dougherty
Well, I mean, not necessarily. He could, because like, as far as anybody knows right now, is that Prater Peter Dinklage is missing.
00:50:19
Kevin Dougherty
You know, he killed Baptista and he bounced is all anybody knows right now. And then he has this collection of serial killers. That's all that this guy's information is going to get.
00:50:28
Brandon
It's all going to come out, though. He left those files, though, for her to find. They're going to find out that he was a sick fuck.
00:50:35
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, but yeah um Dexter might have his file.
00:50:40
Brandon
Yeah, no, but he left files for her to find.
00:50:43
Kevin Dougherty
Yes, yes.
00:50:44
Brandon
was saying that they're going to find out that he was a sick fuck that was doing this shit. That, like, knew about all these killers. Like, he was saying, like, he told them before, like, every the world's going to know that you were a sick fuck that disappeared.
00:50:51
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah, yeah.
00:50:55
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah, he's going to...
00:50:58
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:50:58
Brandon
Like, you know, so he's going to see that and be like, yo, this can't possibly be a coincidence. Especially this motherfucker, like, said he, like, wanted to take some time and drive to my crib in Wisconsin to meet up with me.
00:51:11
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah.
00:51:12
Brandon
Like, out of New York to Wisconsin.
00:51:12
Kevin Dougherty
well Yeah.
00:51:15
Brandon
That's a trip, man. Like, yeah. and Right after he gets off the phone with Dexter, he throws the phone out the window. He knew that he was there was something He sees all that shit.
00:51:26
Brandon
If he's got half a brain, which he does, ah i would think that he's going to be extra on guard. It's not like he's going to be able to stop killing because those people can't.
00:51:34
Kevin Dougherty
Oh, yeah.
00:51:37
Kevin Dougherty
He might he might ah think that the cops have...
00:51:38
Brandon
But...
00:51:41
Kevin Dougherty
like if if they reveal If the cops had revealed that there was a bunch of files on these serial killers, ah which they might not reveal that information just so they can yeah catch them.
00:51:53
Kevin Dougherty
Because otherwise, like you know if you put that information out there, then suddenly the all the serial killers are going be on guard. So we don't know what information that the police might even release.
00:51:53
Brandon
Yeah.
00:52:01
Brandon
Oh, yeah.
00:52:06
Kevin Dougherty
in that case. So
00:52:09
Brandon
I'm just saying, I think that guy's going be on his guard, but I'm not trying to think of going to it.
00:52:12
Kevin Dougherty
i hope I still hope he dies ah like early the next, that's like opening scene.
00:52:18
Brandon
Yeah, no, I was thinking, that's what I was going to say.
00:52:18
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:52:20
Brandon
I think that I'm hoping that the next season will be more fast paced now that they've established what they felt like they needed to, you know, tiptoe around the first season.
00:52:30
Brandon
And, uh, yeah, I could see that as being like opening scene, like that dude's on this table, you know what I mean?
00:52:36
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. He's
00:52:37
Brandon
Or, you know, something like that. Um, but, uh,
00:52:40
Kevin Dougherty
knocking at his door. Yeah.
00:52:41
Brandon
Yeah, because Dexter's definitely got a hard-on against that guy. You know, i mean, he recorded the kill.
00:52:45
Kevin Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:47
Brandon
Dexter saw It really he pissed him off.
00:52:50
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:52:50
Brandon
but Like, you know, he was willing to move heaven and earth to do everything he could to get that guy before he left. So, yeah, you would think that that's probably going to be a priority.
00:53:00
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:53:01
Brandon
Plus, that guy was just, you know, such a fucking sick fuck. Yeah.
00:53:05
Kevin Dougherty
I would love to see a Dexter-Hannibal crossover with Mads Milkinson as Hannibal Lecter. And Dexter's gotta hunt fucking Hannibal Lecter.
00:53:16
Kevin Dougherty
yeah
00:53:16
Brandon
Yeah, i don't know how I felt about that whole show, but anyway.
00:53:19
Kevin Dougherty
ah
00:53:21
Kevin Dougherty
But ah speaking of which, ah Brian Fuller, ah who did Hannibal, he did recently talk about how they are trying to get the rights for Silence Lambs.
00:53:21
Brandon
um
00:53:35
Kevin Dougherty
so they can come back and possibly continue the that series. Because that's one of the reasons that Hannibal just ended, was because they didn't have the rights to colorist Starling and certain certain aspects of Silence of the Lambs.
00:53:48
Brandon
Oh, I thought I'd end it because, well, I don't want to end
00:53:52
Kevin Dougherty
It ended on a literal little cliffhanger. It literally jumped off the cliff is where it ended.
00:53:58
Brandon
it. thought of that that, don't want to get into it.
00:53:59
Kevin Dougherty
I don't know if it was fantastic.
00:54:00
Brandon
Anyway, um anything else Dexter related?
00:54:05
Kevin Dougherty
Uh, no, that's ah all I got that I can think of right now. I'm sure we'll think of some things afterwards.
00:54:08
Brandon
Yeah, so, I mean, all in know like all, like, in all, I mean, i would definitely say watch it because apparently everyone loved it except me.
00:54:11
Kevin Dougherty
But I really liked it!
00:54:18
Brandon
um But, you know, yeah say it. Think what you think. If you've already saw it and you want to chime in on Doc's Facebook page with any comments, that would be cool too.
00:54:31
Kevin Dougherty
Okay.
00:54:31
Brandon
So anyway, thank you so much for joining us. Good night and good luck. Peace, everybody.
00:54:39
Kevin Dougherty
Peace.